EP. 94 BROTHEL TO BOOK DEAL: THE "AIR FORCE AMY" STORY

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And this morning it brings megreat pleasure to introduce to
the Ben Maynard Program AirForce Amy.

(01:37):
She is, let's see.
She's gone from teenage runawayhitchhiking across the country
to highly decorated Air Forceveteran, to 35 years legal
courtesan in Nevada brothels.
She's triumphantly navigatedthe underbelly of America and

(01:57):
got famous along the way.
Not without picking up andkicking the typical addictions
and self-esteem issues.
She has counseled, consoled,lived, loved, laughed and toiled

(02:20):
her way to a typical successstory.
So that kind of in a nutshellthere it brings me a great
pleasure to welcome you to theBen Mader program.
Thanks, amy.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Hi Ben, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Of course.
Of course I'm really lookingforward to this and this is
going to be some fun and maybewe'll get a little serious, who
knows, we'll see what directionwe head into.
But before we really dive ofdive into anything, I just
noticed yesterday so I wanted tobring it up.
Next week, june the 12th, thereis a documentary series

(02:57):
premiering on A&E.
It's called Secrets of theBunny Ranch.
Right, yeah, can you talk about?

Speaker 3 (03:04):
that a little bit Pretty salacious, huh.
I wasn't even going toadvertise it.
I wasn't thrilled with myparticipation in the documentary
At first.
This producer had, I thinkshe'd been stalking me and
waiting for me to leave theBunny Ranch Because at the Bunny
Ranch Suzette wouldn't letanybody do any media.

(03:25):
For the last six years sinceDennis died, Zero Zilch, no
media whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Okay, time out for one second.
Okay, I want you to get mecaught up a little bit because I
don't really know the players,but I know Dennis was like the
big boss, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now who is Suzette?

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Suzette, she was the big bad, mean madam, okay, Still
is okay, Still is the meanie.
Yeah, I'm telling you.
Okay, all right.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
That way I kind of can put the pieces together yeah
she's the Gazelle Maxwell ofEpstein oh, together.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
And then she's a gazelle maxwell of uh of evstein
.
Okay, she's a gazelle, sheknows it.
She's hiding man, she's reallyhiding.
And um, so something really badhappened there, like a shooting
happened and it was directedtowards me.
And then, and no one couldprotect me for the following
year, I was really scared,scared, and so I left, I got ran

(04:25):
off and, um, and this producerfrom A&E she must've been
stalking and waiting for me toleave because she pounced on me
to participate in thisdocumentary.
And when you know, the firstcouple of weeks, right after, I
was like, oh yeah, I got anextra grind, I got something to
think.
But before I got, when I wenton the show, I thought you know

(04:46):
what?
Dennis never said anything badabout me publicly ever I can't
do that to him.
I'm not going to do that.
So I flipped the switch and waslike uh-uh, I'm not saying
anything bad about this guy, andwho the fuck are you?
Can I cuss on the show?
Who are you?

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Listen, you can say whatever you want.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
And who are you?
And you're not going to pay meto participate.
And you want me to dilute myown story?
For what, for you?
Are you out of your no?
So I went on the show as theantagonist defending Dennis,
right, okay, and I did.
And boy, this woman.
She rakes me over the coals.
I mean, ben, I couldn't betouched by another human being

(05:24):
for three days.
After those two days of taping,that's just what a terrible
taste was left in my mouth.
So I wasn't going to do it.
So I put it behind me andthat's it.
You participate in these shows,your producers get whatever
angle they want out of you andyou can't just forget about it.

(05:45):
I didn't learn that until a fewyears ago.
I learned it from Johnny Depp.
Was on the actor's studio.
He said you know what, once Iget paid for my spot, my acting,
that's it.
They're going to edit it,they're going to do what they
want from it.
I got paid, I don't watch it, Idon't know anything about it, I
want nothing.
I was like, oh, I can live likethat Because I was.

(06:07):
You know, the story has beentwisted on me many, many, many
times and I thought, okay, well,that's it.
You know, I participated and Imade them give me like a super
cute, expensive, like $10,000room at the Phineas show, you

(06:28):
know, because they wouldn't payme.
They're, oh, it's a documentaryand we can't pay.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
I'm like, oh fuck, journalism went out the fucking
window when, okay, do realjournalism, my ass, okay, so
whatever they're gonna pay youpeanuts to do it, but you're
gonna make them give you themost expensive suite at the
hotel, right?

Speaker 3 (06:38):
I was like oh okay, you're gonna pay three days and
it's gonna be you know, yeah,that was kind of cool.
I would never spent that kindof money.
So that's what they did, and,um so, and, and, ironically, a
year and a half later, um well,in, in february, march of this
year, I was, I had gotten signedon at alien cat house okay and

(07:04):
that was, and and I thought thiswas just going to this was my
baby.
I was going to take it from youknow, I was going to put it on
the map.
They had all of Dennis Hoffsold it to this guy in 2018,
right before he died.
So when I got there the place Imean, it's one of the nicest.
It had the best bones of allthe brothels in Nevada right now

(07:24):
, because it was just recentlyremodeled I thought, oh my God,
dennis is here and I can justalien cat house.
How fun to take this, and youknow, but it just didn't work
out that way.
The owner, you know, had his own.
He thought I think he just toldme a bunch of things just to
get me in the door, to get mymoney, my bookings, because I
still make a lot of money andthe women there there was like

(07:49):
three or four of them and it wasjust it got it's dangerous as
well.
I mean, yeah, I mean I thoughtthese girls were going to like
stab me in the leg and tell thepolice that I fell out a knife.
You know it was really bad.
I'm serious.
Yeah, that's what I thought,you know, and I called suzette,
or texan suzette, just tocommiserate and say you know

(08:10):
what I?
I have a whole new level ofrespect for you as a madam
because I see how you're really.
You could be a target of attackhere and I always ran
interference for her.
She was very um, it's just likethis diva that couldn't be
touched by other people and andpeople would come up and want to
interact with her.
I saw her on the series and andshe, just she, she couldn't,

(08:34):
she just you know, just she'shere and the world is here and I
would run interference and getthese, you know, these fans away
from her and stuff.
But anyhow.
So she right off the bat mademe this offer to come work for
her at her stepchild of all thehouses, the Love Ranch was
always never could make a buck,never could get it right.

(08:55):
And I mean I know secretly why,and I'm not going to say, I'm
not going to give, because thatwhole deal fell apart.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
You mean you're not going to divulge anything here.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Come on since she would go and fix it, because
that's exactly what happened?
after I left bunny ranch.
All the things I complainedabout, they fixed after I left.
I'm like you know what you need, get your ass, get your boots
on the ground, figure it outyourself, because right now
you're screwed, it's gone, it'sdone.
You ran it into the and I cantell you exactly what's wrong
with it right now and I have andyou won't fix it.

(09:26):
So who cares?
So, and it's just, it's.
It's a real crying shamebecause she just really, you
know Dennis left it to her butshe wasn't like, she's not a
business person, she wasn't evena manager.
So it's just, she knows nothingabout social media and you know

(09:46):
it's just running on its nameright now, and the name that I
helped build is the Bunny Ranch.
When I do the comps online, shewas going to be in my
competition.
So I think what she did wasjust pull me out of the game,
get her competition out of theway, because I would have really
put that alien cat house on themap.
So she promised me double thecommission that he gave me and

(10:07):
all this and systematically overthe last five weeks she took
away.
Well, no, it's not going to be10%, it's going to be 5%, it's
going to be.
I was like you, motherfucker.
And then the trailer came outfor this A&E special.
She's like you should have toldus you were going to be on
there.
I'm like what the fuck?
That was a year and a half ago.

(10:27):
Why the fuck, would I tell you?
I have no idea if or when it'sgoing to air.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Why the fuck, would I tell you?
Because I didn't say anythingbad about the place I defended
you.
We're going to just have towait and see until I see all 12
episodes.
Well, how do you even knowthere's 12 episodes?
I mean, you know what the fuck?
You know what?
Go fuck yourself, lady.
I did, I did, I said you knowwhat?

(10:55):
You and everyone just go fuckyourself.
I have always seen BrendaDennis and I got to tell her a
bunch of things I never wouldhave said before, because she
just was always.
This, you know, really steppedon my neck for many, many, many,
many years.
So I blasted it.
I put it on my website.
I don't know what I'm going tolook like.
I know they did my makeupreally bad.
They shot us from like the neckup and made it all dark and old

(11:18):
makeup.
It was really bad.
So I don't know what it's goingto look like.
It's probably going to domyself a disservice, but who
cares?

Speaker 1 (11:28):
You'll make it all right by your appearance on this
podcast.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
I know, right, yeah, but this is what I really look
like.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah, everybody can see yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
The lighting's not dark and she's not shot from the
neck up, it's all good.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
She really looks good .

Speaker 1 (11:43):
All right.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
And this is actually going to be good, I'm going to
tell you one more thing.
So oh, yeah, yeah, go ahead I'mum and it just coincides with.
I've got some kids out of afilm, out of just graduated from
uc elit film film school andthey're doing a docu-series with
me.
I'm like because I trust them.
They're kids and you know theyhaven't been jaded by a bunch of
the industry yet.
So I'm doing my own docu-serieson me and I just rehired a

(12:11):
ghostwriter to help me with mymemoir.
So I'm writing but she'sediting and it's got a twist to
it.
It is so great it's going tocome out on a drama series on
HBO.
I just know it.
I just know this is my life'swork is going to be and it's not
just about me.
It's got a.
It's got a real um, analtruistic, an advocacy angle to

(12:36):
it.
So I'm really, really excitedabout that.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
That's great, that's great.
Um, okay, so before we go, goback, though, you had mentioned
something about you know,possibly getting stabbed here at
the brothel and everything isis, is the?
Because I look, I don't know,I'm, I'm a, I'm a square.
Okay, I truly am.
And uh, I never saw the um, thehbo series cat house.

(13:03):
I never saw it, or anythinglike that.
I think, once sopranos left,once it was done, I, I think I
got rid of hbo or something Idon't know yeah but um, when, uh
, I mean is is your line ofbusiness?
I mean, is there a danger factorto it?
And and is it, does it comefrom within or can it be?

Speaker 3 (13:26):
you know, the danger come from clients as well you
know, the funny thing is thedanger never came from the
clients.
I mean 35 years and I think Isaw two incidents total okay and
it was mostly, you know, a girlthat was very inexperienced and
didn't want to give, you know,do what she had agreed to.
But it never came from theclients.
But so I I had always said thatI never wanted to manage the

(13:50):
brothel or manage girls, orgoing to management or ownership
, because, I mean, the truth ofthe matter is you're dealing
with drug addicts, alcoholics,prostitutes, pimps, thieves,
thieves.
It gets old after some point intime and the danger it wasn't,
you know, at first, when Istarted working in the brothels,

(14:12):
it was dangerous in the factthat I was young, so so I would
get run off for being young, andand and the older women, and,
and there were, you know, therewas always seedy, seedy
characters, girls, that I mean,let's say, 99 of them are on
drugs or alcohol.
There's a problem nobody goesto work at the brothel because

(14:32):
everything in their life is rosyI want to talk about that too.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Okay, something's going on.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
That got them there, you know, and if you don't start
to fix or heal what's going onat the same time, it's just
you're just a drug addict with alot of money, so, and they
usually have a pimp OK, theyusually have a pimp.
There's always a, you know,there's a pimp involved and it
may be their boyfriend, you know.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Right.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
But it's a pimp, ok, but it's a pimp, okay.
And so before Dennis got a holdof the Bunny Ranch, it was one
of those places you would not gowork at, okay.
So there's only, you know, ahandful outside of Vegas and
outside of Reno that that usgirls knew and we would migrate

(15:19):
in the wintertime go to Vegasand in the summertime come up to
Reno.
But we all had a gear on and agauge for what house was, you
know, had the best condition,working conditions and the best
possibility to make money.
But the money it was called theMoonlight at the time.
It was not a place you would go, man.
Before Dennis got it was not one, it was not on my radar, it was

(15:43):
like I didn't even know itexisted.
It was like you.
Just you knew it was over therebut you didn't go there.
You didn't go work there I meanit was the end of the road
house and Dennis got a hold ofit and over the course of say,
10 years, he, he was reallybrilliant in that he got porn
stars to come work for him andthat put him on the map, because

(16:04):
I mean, it was genius on hispart, because those girls
already had their uh advertisingand marketing in place.
As porn stars, as exoticstrippers, as headliners, they
had their advertising in placeand they could get their
customers and their fans to comesee them.
So that was just absolutelybrilliant on his part and that's
what really put him on the map.
At first he had a list of Idon't know like 40 porn stars

(16:28):
that came to work for him beforeI did, but I heard that they
were making like $5,000 an hour.
I was like I'm a porn star.
So I'm like there andpretending you know he made up
this story, that I was a pornstar and I was out booking
Darren.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Pretend you know he made up this story about the
porn star and I was out bookingthem from right out the gate.
Yeah, so yeah, hold on onesecond so before, so we can kind
of put the timeline together.
About what year are we talkinghere?

Speaker 3 (16:53):
In 2000,.
1999 to 2000.
Okay, yeah, so it was, yeah,2000.
So he had, I think I don't knowhow many years prior to that's
a good question to see when hestarted getting the porn stars
to work for him.
But, like, um, his biggest was,uh, sunset thomas.
He was so in love with her, heloved her.

(17:14):
Oh my god, they would have madethe best, best couple, you know
.
But in hindsight I saw where'ssuzanne.
She, you know, elbowed her way,I in hindsight I saw where she,
you know, elbowed her way.
I, in hindsight, I see everymove someone made to get to
where they are today, to makesure that they inherited

(17:35):
everything, got everything, andit's just like I say, it's a
real cry and shame that you knowyou leave something to and and
they can't manage or run it ordo it correctly.
Hire someone that, can youagree?
Right, it's like I mean there'ssomeone that can do the girls,
but she always hated all of us.
Girls hated us, always hated usit's like any business, though.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
You know you want to have good people that know how
to run it so that it continuesto be profitable, moving forward
and not, you know, and and it'sa and there's.
There's a great atmosphere, soto speak, and then instead of
running it into the ground andpeople don't want to be there
and that kind of stuff, nomatter what the business is.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Oh, it's a, it's a prison yard.
At this point, you know, when Ileft, it was a prison yard.
There was cliques of race anddrug cliques, that's all there
is to it.
It was just.
It was very, very frighteningfor me because I was, you know,
it was right after the blm riotsand everything.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
So I was no target.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
I was.
You know the target yeah, yeahyou know, and it should have
been, and I know that they weremad at ownership because it had
gotten to where it is now and Iwas more like I was such a and I
was I can't think of the wordbut I represented ownership of

(19:00):
management because I was like,well, you can't steal, you can't
do this, can't do that.
And carrying the flag that,dennis, you know, waved all
those years.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
You were just being a good representative of the
business.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah, so I became the target.
And it very unfairly became thetarget and I defended you know,
yeah.
So anyhow, now that I've beenaccused of saying all these bad
things, I was holding it and thelast thing I think I said was
you know what?

(19:31):
I was holding everything closeto my chest, I was protecting
all the secrets and everythingand I was going to keep them
until you died.
But gloves are off.
Here we go.
Gloves off, can you?
Whatever happens to me happens.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
You mentioned.
You mentioned, like the drugaddiction and stuff.
You know that's a prettyrampant thing.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
And even so much more now that pot has become like oh
, it's just like cigarettes.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
It's like legal.
You can buy it on every streetcorner.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
It's a drug, you know , I would say nine out of ten,
ten out of ten smoke pot.
Now I'm clean and sober, I cancelebrate seven years finally.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Congratulations to you.
That's absolutely.
Look, that's awesome.
That is awesome thanks.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
It was so hard to do.
I mean, I have been.
I have been battling and tryingto remain clean and sober for
the day that I arrived at thebunny ranch.
I went there under the, youknow, wanting to.
Um, I heard that you couldleave the house and you could
work a certain shift.
I was like, oh good, I'll go toreal estate school and go to my
meetings, everything's gonna begreat, you know.
And um, and then it just theirhouse doctor prescribed me

(20:57):
volume, they prescribed me, um,painkillers, and they just kept
the door open for so many yearsuntil finally something really
bad happened and I and I went torehab and got off of everything
.
And so now, seven years, that's.
I really do that.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
I think that's great, you know, I mean for me and I
and I don't.
I don't say that, you know,just blasé, because you know I
grew up in a household with analcoholic father and he had done
rehab.
You know, two, three times andnever, you know, couldn't kick
it.
Um and it wasn't it wasn't untilyears after my parents had had

(21:37):
split up that he was able tofinally get, get sober.
So you know, it takes, it takeswork and it takes determination
and it takes a certainintestinal fortitude to get that
done.
And so, yeah, I mean look,congratulations to you, I truly
mean it, really.
That's awesome.
That's awesome, okay.

(21:58):
So let's go back a little bitto the beginning, if we could.
Okay, let me see here, let meput my glasses on.
Okay, so where did you grow up?

Speaker 3 (22:10):
I was born in Ohio, like 20 miles east of Cleveland.
Okay yeah, it was called Mentor.
All right, yeah, okay, I wasjust telling my mom we were
talking about yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
And I don't talk to her that often.
I think like one, two, threetimes a year.
And I was just telling her that, yeah, I'm excited, just
decided I'm retired.
I was going to go worksomewhere else but after this
alien, after this, and it fellthrough over it, I was like,
yeah, I'm just going to writethe memoir.

(22:45):
And she's like, oh, don't sayanything about your childhood
but it's your story though andshe's like well, that's okay,
you're only here 12 years,anyhow.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
So yeah, so okay.
So you grew up in Ohio and then, and then, at 12, 13 years old,
you ran away from home.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah, she said I thought it was 13.
She says, well, you're only in12 years, I guess.
So I was actually really rightdoing the timeline a couple days
ago, yeah and um, and I thoughtI had it wrong and I'm just
trying to make it add up andthere's like a chunk, a piece
here, a piece there that I stillhave to put back together.
But how did this go from hereto here?

(23:29):
And then you know, so I take aday off and let it just.
You know, simmer.
And yeah, I guess I startedleaving at 12 and then got
across, got as far as likeDenver and got sent back.
And then Got across, got as faras like Denver and got sent
back and then got left again.
I got, went to a child studycenter and left 100 percent, I

(23:53):
think I'm.
I think it was 15, not 13.
Now that I'm really trying topiece it together 100 percent,
and yeah, so between 12 and 13,that I never, ever, ever went
back, it was like 13 or 15thinking okay, every I think I
think every kid runs away fromhome.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Okay, but that's usually lasts about two or three
hours and then they're back.
Okay, so what?
What led to you running away?
And then that was it.
You didn't look back.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Yeah Well, I think, like the first or second time it
was, you know, there was doublestandards.
The boys, my brothers, theycould smoke cigarettes and then
get away with having sex, andand I didn't, you know, I didn't
, and I thought that was pretty,you know.
And there was corporalpunishment in our household, man
, you just didn't want tofucking get beat anymore and I

(24:48):
think at like 12 or 13, it wassomething to the extent that my
grades were catching up with meor there's going to figure out
how many days I was going tolike my report card was coming
out and it was going to be howmany days I was gone from school
, and I can't face this musicman.

(25:09):
So I left and, um, yeah, thevery last time I left, the last
time I didn't look back um, agirlfriend and I, we.
It was in the middle of winterand we were on um, we got as far
as like a freeway, down thestreet and we're hitchhiking and
highway patrol goes by, right,we're like, oh, and we run

(25:32):
across to the other side.
It's the highway, and we comeback this way.
We're back across the otherside I only catch up with this
and they're like where are youguys going?
And you can tell her you know,oh, we're going back.
And my brother was going to kentstate at the time.
We're like, oh, we're goingback.
And you know it's uh, myparents, our parents, are in
florida and we have to get backto school.
And, um, you're like where Ican't stay?

(25:54):
And they're like, oh, yeah, thedormitory.
And I told him which one, andthey're like, get in the car.
That's an all-male dormitory,oh gosh.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
I am Right.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
I thought you had it, but no.
Yeah, how would you know that?
But so, yeah, they take us downto the police station.
It's like almost midnight orsomething and my parents have to
come down and get me andthey're not happy and I'm just
like this and there was like anight court Please just keep me,
please just keep me.
He's going to beat the fuck,he's going to kill me, please.
And he sent me home with my dadand my dad just he got me out

(26:29):
of the car and he had these likesuede gloves on.
He was just wailing on my faceJust on a cement board.
He's like is this what you wantto happen to you?
This is what's going to happen.
I was like, I was just like abasketball, you know, and I left
and I could climb down thewindow the next morning and left

(26:50):
and never looked back well, you, you, um.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
You ended up in the air force, right?

Speaker 3 (26:57):
how old were you at that time when you joined the
air force um, I just turned 19,I was 18 to join, and they put
me on a delayed enlistment forlike three or four months and,
um, I think, throughout that.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
So I got the summer time to play hitchhiking around
the country okay, hold on, holdon, because, because you brought
up hitchhiking, okay, so, um, II know I'm not gonna ask your
age, but I figure we to be kindof fairly close because you're
talking about hitchhiking.
Okay, come on.
Hitchhiking was done in likethe early 80s.

(27:32):
All right, and I was I was ateenager during those times.
It became too dangerous.
So are we kind of talking aboutthat timeframe?

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yeah, Mid 80ss and, um, it was, and I don't know
what.
You know I I think back on thatfirst truck I got into on the
freeway, just like, got down thestreet from my parents home and
you get, you gotta be.
You know it didn't.
I didn't plan on leaving it ina truck, but I guess a truck

(28:01):
pulled over and you know, andwhat could have been going
through my mind except for thatsevere beating the night before
that?
I had to get the fuck out ofthere, right and it was safer to
climb up.
But I know this, this semi truckway up there because I was tiny
.
I had to be, like you know, 90pounds.
I'm five, three now five.
I was super tiny.

(28:23):
I climbed up those steps andgot another big muffler over
here.
You don't know what's on theother side of that door.
I did it Then for the guy tosee me, and my face like this
gave him the sob story.
My dad beat the shit out of me.
That was it.
I felt safe in the truck.
The truck drivers took care ofme, was safe that's good, all

(28:45):
right so then, so then, 18 yeah,so then 18, you end up, you,
you.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
You join the air force, you get in at 19 and um.
How was that experience andwhat?
What did?
What did you do in the airforce?

Speaker 3 (28:59):
so so my um, my first day, well, at Met.
So I was on delayed enlistmentand I went, ended up in Fort
Worth and I was going to.
I was supposed to enroll jointhe Met station from Fort Worth
and I don't know what made methink that because I was, I had
enlisted in New Jersey.
Oh gosh, three months ago, fromFort Worth, I knew a family

(29:20):
down there that I had stayedwith some, and it was a truck
driver and his family lived inFort Worth and I would, you know
, stop off there and and workedthat truck stop and live with
them at the same time and anyhow.
So I joined from there and and Iwas, and we were, there was a
and crank was the thing at thattime you know they would stick

(29:44):
through their toothpicks in andsuck on it and and so that was
the thing we were doing at thetime and, um, to join.
So the night before or the daythat I went into the mep station
it was funny I was like this I,um, I went to tar, I went to
target and got like these pastellooking clothes so I wouldn't

(30:04):
look like hardened or like adrug addict or anything.
I wanted to look like reallysquare going in and not get
found out that I'm, you know,doing drugs and this badass.
So I look like this little,this pastel.
I remember the exact outfit Iwas wearing and I get in there.
Uh, they didn't take my bloodat the map station.

(30:26):
It's so strange.
I don't know if they did thatoften but, to this day, I don't
know my blood type.
We just gave me wow really soyou've never, like you've never
gone and donated blood anywherelike a specific test to see what
type it is and and I know it'snot All right so we just guessed
that it would be positive.
It's on my dog tags and it'slike they never really took my

(30:50):
blood that day.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
All right.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
And so we get to Lackland Air Force Base and it's
basic training and we'restanding in line and this TI,
she just comes around and we'relike poof, poof, poof, poof,
poof and those steel taps on hershoes Gets right at my face
this must be our Miss Pris ofthe group.

(31:13):
I'm like, ooh little.
Do you know lady?
Yeah, I'm the Miss Pris, yougot that wrong.
You know, but I I mean, theymust have seen immediately that
I was like I don't know ifyou're fearless, but it's
self-sufficient and more of aleader.
You know, because I had justlived a bunch of life before the

(31:37):
age of 19.
And they immediately made methe squad leader and the leader
and this and that, and I just,you know, I carried myself in
such a way and I just had likecommon sense, street smarts and
woman of the year, airman of theyear, sp of the year, and then
I was already prepped forwinning and for titles and

(32:01):
things.
That was the only form ofacceptance.
There was never love in myfamily, but there was acceptance
.
Gotcha, you could earn points.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
You just hadn't built up enough points, right?
Yeah, I was already OhioState's 20-hundred jumper champ.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
You just hadn't built up enough points, right, you
know so, yeah, so I was alreadylike Ohio State 20-hundred
jumper champ and this, and thatyou know, as long as you were
winning, you could hide that bigelephant that was in the room.
You know in our family.
So I was always prepped forthat and so I just, I, really I
really excelled.
I was woman of the year, airmanof the year, sp of the year,

(32:39):
twice beloved of his own, andall these things I did really,
really, really well in themilitary.
And there's a dark side to ittoo.
I was in this.
I volunteered for a very elitegroup which I didn't know at the
time.
I just knew I didn't.
I tested really high on myscores and they wanted me to be
either a crew chief, which waslike a grease monkey in Toronto.

(33:01):
I was like, yeah, not so much.
And then, or law enforcement.
I was like, yeah, I guess ittakes a crook to catch a crook,
yeah, so I and I wanted tochange duty stations.
I didn't want to be stationedstateside, and there was this

(33:21):
kid didn't want to be stationedstateside.
So, yeah, someone oversees.
And I volunteered for thisreally elite squadron.
I didn't know it was elite.
I just didn't want to do be acop.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Or work on planes right.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Or work on planes.
Yeah, but yeah.
So I ended up in this veryelite squadron, the first female
and only female to ever do.
Another one tried, but shedidn't make it.
Wow, so in order for the guys.
I think the way I look at it,in order for the guys in this
very elite squadron to make itokay for this female to be there
, is they all had to have apiece of me, and that made it

(34:01):
okay, you know, and so I justyeah, anyhow, we'll talk about
that in the book, but so, um, mylast thought I got.
I was in the philippines, themy almost my entire tour, and at
the time it was marcos, so it'snot considered a foreign war.
Yeah, there were burnt,decapitated bodies in the

(34:22):
streets.
It was really.
I mean, we were in DEFCON.
It was really dangerous.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Yeah, that was when Ferdinand Marcos was ousted from
leadership, right?

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Yeah, and the thing was back then.
It was the same that wasTaliban.
Back then we didn't know whatname thing was.
Back then it was the same thatwas Taliban.
Back then we didn't know whatname was the Taliban, but it was
the same people, the sameplayers we have today with ISIS
and Taliban and NRA, the samepeople, you know, wow, and
they're out there and they weretrying to get my, and so I took
students out in the field.
We taught two weeks in classand then two weeks in the field.

(34:58):
And what, in the field for two?
We taught two weeks, uh, inclass and then two weeks in the
field, and what I did was, um,our ground troops were our last
line of defense and our mostimportant resource in the air
force, you would think, would beplanes.
Nah, they could be replaced,but that runway, because the
plane's got to get up and downright, right you have to have a
place to land and take off, yeahyeah, so that runway and that's
what you know.
The ground troops the onlyground troops in the air force

(35:19):
were security, police and lawenforcement and they had to
protect that runway gotcha so Itaught you guys how to do that
yeah, that's great.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
So where did the name air force amy come from?

Speaker 3 (35:31):
that's very much later on my career.
So the first 10 years, um, Ihad bounced around from the like
, I said we, we would migratenorth to south.
The Chicken Ranch and theSherry's Ranch were right
outside of Vegas.
That was my first place that Iwent to was the Chicken Ranch.
Then I migrated up north to thegirls and the Mustang Ranch and

(35:55):
then back down to Cherry Patch,then the girls and mustang
ranch and then back down tocherry patch and then, um, I
heard about the bunny ranch.
So I went to bunny ranch andthe mustang and the mustang
ranch had closed permanently inlike 1999, just as I was, uh,
making a move to the bunny ranchokay and I had worked there a

(36:15):
little bit.
But um, yeah, I worked there alittle bit and I had, and I
naturally had short red hair andno big blue.
I just looked a certain.
You know, I had short red hairI saw your air force picture I'm
naturally a redhead.
So, yeah, I had this red hairand, um, when I got to bunny

(36:39):
ranch, I had blonde hair andchanged my looks considerably.
But I thought, but I noticedthat the same guys that used to
go to the mustang, 30 miles away, were now coming to the bunny
ranch and I was like I want them.
If I spent any amount of timewith them, if you spent money,
you spent a time they would knowthat I was that Amy that was in

(37:03):
the Air Force.
So I wanted them to put two andtwo together that I was the Amy
that was in the Air Force.
All right, so you can rememberthat this is me and pick me.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Okay, I got you I was Amy.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
I mean, it's just like it was, was like it's like
the best name, it's likemcdonald's, you know, just the
best name it, just it doesn'thave a ring to it, so you know,
yeah, other people like girlshave copied and try to be gi jen
or, you know, coast guardcarrier, whatever.
It doesn't work.
Air force amy works I reallywanted to be amy and I really

(37:38):
wanted to be amazing amy, butthey had a doll out at that time
and I was like, yeah, I can'tdo that, that would be cool.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
So air force amy was it yeah, no, like I said, it's
got a great ring to it, yeah,and it uh, it's not.
There's no phoniness to it.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
You did serve in the air force too, so yeah it's
funny, my um, my uh licenseplate says afa01 because it
could be afm1.
Yeah and I'm, and it's parkedoutside the gym one day and so
and that guy goes oh, air forceacademy first.
Did you graduate first in the?

Speaker 1 (38:14):
I'm like yeah, yeah, that's right yeah first in the,
I'm like, yeah, that's right,yeah, so, um, so, tell me, um,
tell me about, I guess, I guess,tell me about legal brothels,
but but talk about how, once youleft the, once you left the air

(38:36):
force, how did you transitioninto that, into this profession?

Speaker 3 (38:41):
The best story is, and I just wrote the story for
the memoir and it's a long, it'sa long, it's a long.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
it does not give all the juicy details, Because when
the book comes out, people tobuy it.
They will.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
And actually I can't even you know it can only be
like maybe 90,000 words orsomething.
So there's so much more to thestory that right now you notice
my site is like kind of underconstruction and it's going to
be a membership site where Itell the real, true, long story
of it, because it's just so Iremember so much.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
But that's great that you remember so much.
Yeah, because, look, I lovestories and I think that's what
I enjoy most about doing when Ido this podcast.
It's just about people tellingtheir stories and I think that
there's value to that.
I think that there's people whopeople telling their stories,

(39:38):
so, and I think that there'svalue to that.
I think that there's people wholove to hear stories and they
just like to hear two peopletalking and having a
conversation and sharing things.
So, no, so yeah, I think whenyour book comes out, that's
gonna be something else.
Actually, when it comes out,you need to come back on too,

(40:01):
but but anyway, let's so so how?
let's?
Let's get back to, to the point, and that's how you got.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
You transitioned from air force into uh, into your
profession, the truth of thematter is it wasn't that hard
okay because, uh, and it was, alot of people were surprised and
I was surprised that there wasso much prostitution actually
taking place in the military.
And somebody even contacted mea few years ago wanting to know

(40:27):
about a huge prostitution ringthat was taking place at Clark
Air Base and an airman hadactually gone missing, died, got
killed over this.
So something there's stillanother layer to where I was
when I was.
That is still shrouded, but youknow, my story does give

(40:49):
credence to that.
Yeah, that very well could havehappened, and not with me.
I didn't prostitute, I was justthrown out for free.
But so to go from the militaryto you know, the most famous

(41:13):
saying that we have out there iswhen I was on Judge Jeanine
Perrault.
Saying that we have out thereis when I was on judge jenny
perot, and she goes.
Well, how did night nightramble up all these you know
accomplishments I have in themilitary?
And she's like, well, how doesone go from the military to the
brothel?
I'm like, oh, it's just an houraway.
Yeah, it was, it was like anhour, you know that was.

(41:35):
Yeah, that made sense to meyeah yeah, how did you get there
?

Speaker 1 (41:39):
I was an hour away.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Yeah, you know like, yeah, it wasn't too hard to get
there.
You know, yeah, there's thesethings called road maps right
but yeah, so it wasn't that farof a stretch because prior to
the military, it was somethingthat I knew I could do and I had

(42:02):
done.
You know, I was prostituting inthe truck stops and my brain
wasn't clear at that time, I wasdrinking, so I think it was
like four wine coolers.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
As simple as the answer is.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
You know an hour away and four wine coolers.
As simple as the answer is.
You know, an hour away and fourwine coolers.
I didn't want to carry a gunfor a living, I didn't want to
be a prison guard and itwouldn't be law enforcement and
you know, and, and I was in lasvegas and I like the, you know
the glamour and the glitz, and Ijust thought, you know, you
make some money fast.

(42:36):
And it was kind of an ultimatumto the military.
I was like, well, you can'tcross train me, you can't give
me a re-enlistment bonus.
Then you know, here's myultimatum I'll go work in the
brothels.
Oh, you do that.
Then give me a, you know.
So it's an ultimatum that kindof got me in the military and
ultimatum that got me into theto the uh brothels.
And I kind of try not to makeultimatums.

(42:59):
No, nobody likes to.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Nobody likes to throw down an ultimatum.
It doesn't matter what it's inregards to.
Nobody likes to it's becauseit's like it brings finale to
something and someone's alwaysgoing to be Thor over it, but so
.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
And how did you stay there for 35 years?
The honest to God's truth isthat you know I was enabled, my
addictions were enabled and Inever got enough time under.
You know, in hindsight, beingclean and sober, it took me
three, four years to really getuncloudy and still I don't think

(43:43):
straight.
I need my 12 steps that keep meguided.
I need my spirituality, mypeople, to keep me without an
unclouded, distorted mind,Because as an alcoholic or an
addict, you just thinkdifferently and the alcoholism

(44:04):
and the drug addictions are justsymptoms of my distorted
thinking.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Right, Well, and they're just.
You know, those just becomesubstances to bury everything
else that has been going on orhad gone on, you know, just to
kind of soothe the pain, Isuppose.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
And the downside to that is if you're working for
someone that is playing mindgames with you and relishes on
you being, say, codependent orquestioning your own thinking,
if you have a narcissist and abad guy and an antagonist that
wants to control you and makeyou think a certain way and be a

(44:49):
certain way and subscribe andbe okay with their abuse, is
they know that you're going toquestion yourself.
You question your, yourquestion my thinking, that
question my motives, question umand question myself.
And because it would be like somakes no sense, what they're

(45:14):
saying or doing.
You can't really put yourfinger on it, you can't figure
it out, but so you questionyourself.
In a in a, in a, in a in a tubsub situation.
You're always going to cleanyour side of the street, yeah,
and see your part in it.
So they, and then they, theyget the excuse that they don't
have to see their part in it.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
They know that you're man.
What a fucking free ride theyget in your head, man.
So the ladies that work thebrothels obviously they can, and
probably in most cases, makepretty darn good money, right
Okay?

Speaker 3 (45:54):
I'm good and you can pay the prices that they have
out there.
Now you can thank me, man.
It's ridiculous.
I got them up to $6,000 an hour, Okay.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
I don't and I don't know all everybody's different
titles, but a guy like Dennis,he's running it, he's like the
big boss of of this particularbrothel here.
But how, um, do girls get takenadvantage of and and how can
they prevent from being takenadvantage of, if in fact they
are, do get taken advantage of,if you, if you can go into it I

(46:32):
mean number one you're going to,you're going to isolate
yourself.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
So, so the pimps have this really great thing in
place for them Like with people,like cults and pimps they will.
First thing they're going to dois isolate you.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
Isolate you from your family and your friends so that
nobody can talk you into.
You know, put a sane thoughtinto your mind Like what are you
doing?
Why would you let them do this?
But you know, no, there's noquestion.
So you're removed from family,you're removed from society and
you're stuck in this little cruxand most of the time, um, it's
a lot easier to do that ifyou're not the person that they

(47:09):
want to take.
It is on drugs, because you caneither, you know, cloud your
mind and they are not thinkingstraight to to even to defend
themselves, right, they're allor you're feeling guilty that,
hey, I'm on drugs, my alcohol, Ihad a bad I I up, I was on
alcohol.
You know, I did that a lot.
I was, like you know, got introuble for drinking too much

(47:30):
and acting out.
So I was always on the troubleside and I was always.
You know, I'm trying to fix itand try.
I have to make the most moneybecause I fucked up.
So they play on that, they playon your emotions, that you're
always a fuck up.
You're only as good as yourlast party.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
So there's that Gotcha, and what was the
question?

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Gotcha.
And what was the question?
How do girls, how can theyprevent themselves from being
taken advantage of?

Speaker 3 (48:04):
Oh, okay, Well, one you'd have to go in clean and
sober or you know, without anaddiction, that they could take
advantage of right or that theycould exploit.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Gotcha.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
You know, for that You'd have to go in with the
army.
It takes a village.
I guess you know you couldtheoretically go into this
industry and but you'd have tohave, you'd have to have a
village.
You know, the girls that I sawthat are really, really, really
successful had a man behind themthat was like did their social

(48:35):
media or did their their emails?
It's almost impossible to dothe, to do the whole project by
yourself, to do the social media, to do the online, to do the
emails, to do the marketing, todo the actual the, the keeping
up with, or to do the umcustomer management, to do the

(48:55):
sales to the market.
It's almost impossible for onegirl by herself I did, I had no
one else helping me, wow.
So but, um, you and you'd haveto have a, an anchor in the
outside world that you wouldtalk to daily to keep you kind
of keep you grounded or rooted,grounded in the real, you know,

(49:17):
in reality okay yeah, the cultis going to make you this, this
other reality, an alternatereality.
So you got to keep so, you gotto have that, that, that life
preserver and that, that lineout there to reality.
Okay, you know, so it could bedone, but most of the time, um,

(49:39):
the women that I saw had theirfamilies involved, that their
mother knew about it, or I meanparent mothers become the
biggest pimps of all wow, reallyoh my god, yeah, the guilt they
land and they're watching kidand you know, and they just end
up paying the mother more andmore and more and more.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
They're the worst pimps of all believe it or not
yeah, do do or have any of thewomen that you worked with in
the past.
Do they have?
Um, do they have relationshipsor husbands or anything like
that?

Speaker 3 (50:16):
is it?
Is it and how?

Speaker 1 (50:17):
does that work?

Speaker 3 (50:20):
Well, you know, I always thought that, well,
there's no way you can have aloving relationship, say with a
husband or boyfriend, that wouldallow.
I had princess syndrome.
I always thought that, you know, if I had a boyfriend or
husband, he's gonna rescue me,I'm never gonna have to look
back.
That's the only way that worksright.

(50:40):
Except one time.
I uh started dating a guy.
He was a customer and I haddated him and he wanted, or he
wanted, to date me and I said,well, um, the only way we could
do that is if you put a ring onand get engaged.
I want to be married, and um,so he did.
And and to go back to work.

(51:00):
I thought to myself I'm nevergonna be able to work again.
I can't.
I'm not with this guy.
How am I gonna do it?
I get to work.
I don't.
You know, I always have myfirst customer go.
Oh, that was easy.
that was easy, you know, becauseyou compartmentalize and you
just you make you make right,you know, you make it make sense
in your head and um, or youjust compartmentalize and you do

(51:26):
the task at hand, you know.
So I can't speak for all thewomen.
I can't say that every husbandor boyfriend is a pimp or a part
.
I don't know if they're pimpsor partners.
I'm not there, I'm not in thatfamily, I don't know.
But, um, I don't think it'sreally healthy, and maybe only

(51:47):
because of the stigma that oursociety puts on it.
So I can only tell my experienceyeah, you know, you hear some
girls that are probably inreally bad relationships because
you hear them on the phoneoutside their door.
We're in this small containedarea.
It's a snake pit.

(52:12):
It's a snake pit.
You hear the conversationsoutside their door with their
you know their significant otherand they're yelling, you know,
and it's not good.
Most people are not good, soI'm not gonna.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
I um, I can't put it all in one basket, but I'd say
it's not so good gotcha so okay,um, so you know, obviously, so
you've been, you've done thisfor many years, 35 years, right,
35 years.
Five years ago, everything kindof shut down.

(52:49):
We had this, we had this, this,this pandemic, you know and I
like to use air quotes, but Iwon't get politically into it-
but, nonetheless, because Ithink a lot of it was, but I
won't get politically into it,but nonetheless because I think
a lot of it was a bunch ofgarbage and none of it should
have happened, but anyway.
but we had this pandemic and somany industries were being shut
down, and yours was one of them.

(53:11):
How did that affect you?

Speaker 3 (53:14):
So what happened was, yeah, we got got shut down.
We were the first ones to getshut down.
And here's the thing I'm I'mthe same school of thought as
you.
Um, we would have been thefirst ones you would come to and
ask how to deal with it.
We got through aids, we gottherapies, we got through hb,

(53:35):
all these.
You know, we're the first onesto adapt, modify, modify and
thrive.
Because we have to, because ifmy health isn't good, I mean,
I'm only relying on this bodyhere, you know, and it needs to
function, it needs to be healthy.
And, plus, we're seeing guysfrom all over the United States,
all over the country, all overthe world, and trying to stay

(53:58):
healthy, like, say, through thewinter season and cold and flu
season and, believe it or not,I'd say successful.
I'm not going to sayunsuccessful or successful, but
I'm a germaphobe, 100%germaphobe.
Don't breathe, I mean.
Really, maybe not the bestbusiness to be in.
If you're a germaphobe, don'tbreathe, I mean, you know.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
I'm really so maybe not the best business to be in
If you're a germaphobe.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
I don't think it's okay, because that way you stay
healthy through the winterseason.
At least you know cause you'rein this.
You're in this littleenvironment of you know it's all
these different girls andnobody's going to go home
because they're sick.
You know they can't afford to,so they, oh no, I have, I have
allergies.
My ass.
You're sick, man, stay in roomso we're already dealing with

(54:45):
the, with uh viruses and andcold and flu season, and then
plus, I said, like the aidsepidemic and the and the herpes
epidemic and that was absolutelyjust, I still remember, you
know, first hearing about it allthe way back in like 1985.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
I think the very first person we heard in regards
to AIDS was Rock Hudson, andthen it was like we didn't even
understand what it was.
And I remember for the next,you know, had to be a minimum
five years, probably closer to10 years.
That was just a scary, scarything to to just even think

(55:23):
about.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Yeah, and we were there in the brothels having sex
.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
No having sex.
So what we did was, um, they uhmade it where condoms were
mandatory, all activities, noexchange of bodily fluids, and
that was our thing, no exchangeof bodily fluids, you know, and
kind of.
Those rules have kind of goneout the window with more and
more I don't know, I'm not goingto say nationalities coming in,

(55:48):
I don't think we can say that,but it's true, they come in from
a 100% different culture andthis kind of money is just, you
know, they come in from a 100%different culture.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
And this kind of money is just gods and gods and
oodles and oodles of money andthey'll do more and more things
for that kind of money, whereaswe're like, yeah, not so much.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
So I can imagine that money dictates kind of what
happens and what doesn't happen.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Everyone's got a price, gotcha, you know, and we
try to keep it to here, but thenit goes here and then it goes
here.
And I've seen over the decadesit's gone more and more and more
.
It gets done for less and lessand less.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Oh, hmm, yeah, that's weird.
Yeah, but you know what ithappened first in the porn
industry.
Oh, hmm.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Yeah, that's weird.
Yeah, but you know what theycan't.
It happened first in the pornindustry To me I mean to be
sound really racist the Russianscame in, and you know.
And then the Brazilians came inand the prices went down.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
See that's a topic for another time.
Maybe I don't know.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Yeah, Racism inside our industry.
Yeah, this is the last industry, the last frontier.
You can really be racistbecause you get to choose what
ethnicity you want, what haircolor you want, what body style
you want.
You can make all these choicesthat are totally taboo,
supposedly okay, you know what?

Speaker 1 (57:20):
all right, then I'm gonna I'm gonna skip what we
were just talking about.
So kind of talk about theprocedure, like okay, when a guy
or guys whatever the guy walksinto the front door of the
brothel, okay, what happens?
Can you kind of like take methrough a step-by-step process
of how that goes down?

Speaker 3 (57:40):
yeah, so a guy will come in I'm sorry, they're given
the, so there's different codes, okay.
First of all, almost all theplaces are behind gates.
Now, the last place I worked,alien cat house, was not behind
a fence.
That's one of the first thingsthis guy did was take down the
fence and I'm like really,really, really surprised,
because this is one of the onlybrothels in nevada that is
actually on a thoroughway, on ahighway, in the same parking lot

(58:02):
as a gas station.
Oh, the rest of them were alloff in the middle of you know,
behind a, a junkyard, behind anindustrial area, down this road
and 10 miles down that way,another 10 miles because it has
to be outside of city limits,and I mean really, it's really,
this one was right there, nofence.
So usually there's a fence and agate and you press a button and

(58:25):
one bell means always just aclient come, he's just a, you
know, a walk-in.
Two bells is either a customer,an appointment or an employee,
and three bells is the owner,and when they ring the bell for
you to come make this lineup,everybody's.
You know some places you're,you're always on the floor,

(58:46):
you're dressed, ready to go for12 hours.
Other places, they'll give youa few minutes to get ready to
make it this lineup, soeverybody goes, gets in this
lineup, and you?
You're not just allowed to drawattention to yourself and you
stand there, you introduceyourself ladies, we have company
.
And you're not allowed to drawattention to yourself.
And you stand there, youintroduce yourself, ladies, we
have company.
And you say your name and youtry not to draw attention to
yourself.
But I tell girls to, in orderto get picked, try to give the

(59:10):
guy the look like you did infirst grade when you were trying
to let a kid know that youliked him.
You'd be like or pigtails, right, yeah, and the guy kind of
thinks so the guy's going topick someone and, um, you take
them on what they call a tour.

(59:31):
And it's interesting thatthey're called tours because
that's what they they used inthe uh timeshares was.
He takes them on a tour right soyou take it, you show him
around, you make him comfortable, then you take him to your room
, you discuss, uh, the pricesand parties that you have
available and he tries to get asmuch as he can for as little as
possible.
You try to get as much as youcan, do as little as possible.
You meet somewhere in themiddle, of course.

(59:51):
So you come to an agreement um,you take and you take the money
up to the front, or credit cardto the front and and they book
it, and sometimes you get paidafter every party, sometimes you
get paid once a week, sometimesyou get paid, you know, every
two weeks.
Sometimes it's checks,sometimes cash, it's different
places, different, differentjust for different places and

(01:00:12):
but you always get a 1099, whatthey call it courtesy 1099, at
the end of the year.
That shows how income because I, as an independent contractor,
I should be giving a 1099 to theplace I work for say, hey, I
gave you 200 000 this year youknow that was out of my, my net
and um, but they give us acourtesy 1099.
So we're, we paid.

(01:00:33):
You can't, you're supposed topay taxes.
I, I pay taxes, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, and I run it just
like a business.
I'm a sole proprietor, I havean LLC.
Some girls have S-Corps and anLLC.
So the girls that had S-Corps,that took taxes out prior to the
pandemic, they had PMIinsurance already.

(01:00:56):
They're going to protectthemselves.
But what we did here in nevada,they um, they kept us close the
longest.
They uh and to to uh.
If you want to get political,that the um, believe it or not.
Liberals hate us okay, you know.

(01:01:16):
The democrats hate us okay andthey want us and they want us
gone.
And it was the um, the, theconservatives, and you know that
really are on our side anddennis our our boss, you know he
ran on the conservative, he wasa trump of trump, you know
gotcha yeah so yeah, so it'sjust, it was more like of a race

(01:01:38):
thing, of which one which girlsare conservative and which
girls are are not, okay, liberal, because you mean, like I said,
after the, the blm and girlsreally got a full of uh,
whatever they got full of.
You know they got full of.

(01:02:05):
You know I heard guts and andand you know making a stance,
because most of them were inmixed relationships, you know so
, and they felt slighted orsomething.
But you know, if we reallythink of it, we were also the
last frontier, that themarginalized group that we
didn't have a, a, a, a hit groupout there.
We didn't have.
We didn't have terrorists.
We didn't have terrorists likethe, the LGBTQ RST.

(01:02:28):
You know they had and and andit's just like BLM.
Blm, they had their terroristsout there.
So I wouldn't have a terroristgroup and making big moves.
But not the prostitutes.
The prostitutes are still beingvilified, while the pimps are
being glorified, and that'swhere I'm going to make a change

(01:02:49):
.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
What kind of change are you looking to make?

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
We need to vilify the pimp and empower the prostitute
.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Just don't vilify her .
She got herself there for somereason and we're marginalized
and we need to be heard.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
So is that kind of where that's?

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
where I'm going that's where I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Early on, you said yeah, you're kind of retiring
from this, so is that kind ofwhere your focus is going?

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
to be now, you see, will be to uh vilify the pen,
because I mean there's like thethere's thing that decriminalize
or or uh legalize and there'stwo schools of thought.
And the decriminalize puts the,the power in with the customer,

(01:03:47):
who isn't always.
I mean, if you're in crimebreeds crime.
So if you're in an illegalsituation and the guy has the
power to say, well, no, I'm theone that's going to get in
trouble, so we're going to do ithere, here, here and this and
this and this, to say, well, no,I'm the one that's going to get
in trouble, so we're going todo it here, here, here, and this
, this and this, so he gets tomake more rules.
Gotcha, I like the school ofthought, I like the New Zealand

(01:04:10):
model where we don't need amiddleman.
So I mean the model that's inplace now in Nevada excuse me,
it kind of works, except thatthere was designed by, I mean,
real bad guys, criminals likejoe conformity and and uh yeah,
these, these real bad guys,these criminals have been exiled

(01:04:34):
and imprisoned and the samemodel is in place 60 years later
.
Do you think that it it enabled, that it benefits the girls or
the pimp?
come on right, right, yeah, Iget you and if we're going to do
this, let's do it where youknow, with a model that works,
that's in favor of the, thewomen that can, that should be

(01:04:58):
empowered by what they're doingthe earners.
I mean come on, if we're goingto go, my body, my choice.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Gotcha All right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
You're going to turn that one around?
Yeah, all right.
So, okay, you do have one bookout right now, and it's it's
called Air Force.
Amy's 69 favorite sex quotes ofall time.
Can you share a couple of thosequotes?
Oh, um oh you don't have thebook.

(01:05:35):
I just want my book.
She just sprung it on you Iknow, let's see, there's some
way.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
What Marilyn Monroe?
The only thing I wear is Chanel, Chanel perfume, Chanel number
five.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Actually I tried to.
I was going to look up and seeif there were any quotes, but
there were no quotes on yourwebpage, so I couldn't find any
to dig up, so I thought I wouldhit you with that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
no, it's okay, there's good ones, um, you know,
and the funny thing is I'venever sold one of those books
and it wasn't meant to be sold.
I use it as a business card andit's really something special
you get if you have one, becauseI've never sold one, you have
to meet me in order to get it.

(01:06:22):
You've never sold one.
Nope, it's a benefit.
It's a calling card andsomething that says you met me
in person because that's theonly way to get it.
So, it's really somethingspecial to have if I give you
one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Wow, all right, everybody wants one.
You know if I go work for allthe girls.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
I work with everybody .
They all want one and I don'tgive one to everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
So we can't, we can't pitch and say okay, it's
available on Amazon or Barnesand Noble, wherever you get your
books, wherever books are sold,that's where it is.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
I never wanted to be a drop shipper, you know,
because I just I'm notdisciplined, you'll let
something sit for a while.
Right, I work in spurts.
You know, I'm like, yeah, I dothings in spurts, I work really

(01:07:19):
hard for a few days and I take aday off.
I mean, like I was supposed todo some things.
I was really this deep intowriting the other day and then I
got stuck on a series yesterday.
I thought the window ofWashington.
I got to see this to the end.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
Well, okay, all right , what was it?
What were you watching?

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Ginny, and oh wait, this is my publisher.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
Oh yeah Go ahead Hi.
Sal.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
I'm on a podcast right now I can't talk to you.
Oh, okay, we'll talk later.
Okay, I'll call you right back.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
I love it, I love it, I love it.
That's okay, not to make mesound really popular too.
I've been getting text messageshere the whole time we've been
doing this.
I shut my ringer off, but Ihave my iPad here on the desk.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
I can tell you who's calling me.
I can tell you because I neverget phone calls.
I don't take phone calls, so Ican tell you to call me.
I can tell you cause I neverget phone, I don't take phone
calls.
So I can tell you I can ifsomeone, if the phone rings, I
can pretty much tell you whoit's going to be.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Yeah, yeah, Okay.
So so first, this has been alot of fun.
It really has been, so I reallygreatly appreciate it.
I want to, can we play a littlegame?

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Right, it's a simple game.
I have never, ever done this onthe podcast before with the
guests.
I never thought of it before.
I haven't.
I never thought of this before,but but it hit me yesterday and
I thought why am I not doingthis more often?
So I just want to do this, Okay, and I.
There's probably a bazillionnames for this.

(01:09:00):
It's just like this or that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
All right, that's all it is yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Okay, and and I've got, I've got some, some
selections here and it doesn'tmean that you like one over the
other.
You could like both of them,but you got to you just you just
have to choose one, all right.
So they're really, reallysimple, and they're not there.
I'm not going to like put youon the spot or anything like
that.
This isn't you know, play gotyou with Air Force, amy, it's

(01:09:28):
not Okay.
Okay, so real simple Beatles orStones.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
Stones.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Okay, and I like them both myself.
But if I have to choose, I'mgoing Stones too, because I
think they're a little more,they're a little more like
street.
Okay, cheeseburgers or pizza.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
Pizza.
I don't like cheese on myburgers.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Okay, you don't like cheese on your burgers, but you
like cheese pizza.
Yeah, okay, all right.
Okay, boxers or briefs.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
Briefs.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
Boy shorts.
That's what I'm wearing now.
You'd love to live with me.
I wear white feeders and boyshorts all day long.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
There you go.
Okay, cake or pie.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
Cake, yeah, all right .
Too much crust on the pie.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
No that's good, cool, no, no, it's good, it's good.
I kind of lean towards cakemyself too.
You know the beach or the lake.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
The beach.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
Okay, all right Ocean .

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
Okay, all right, you like to get in or you like to
just lay by the lake.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
I like to get in with the like to just lay by the
lake, I do.
I like to get in with the lake.
I always think there's likemaybe allergies and algae and
mosquitoes.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
Okay, it's all right, I got you.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
I'm a summer home up at Lake Tahoe and there's like I
could go to the Keys and I'mlike, no, that might smell
swampy, I'd rather be on thelake.
But if it's a lake swampy, I'drather be on the lake, but if
it's a lake or ocean.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
I'd rather be on the ocean.
Okay, I get you.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
I mean me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
That's ideally, but then you get to the ocean and
it's like, oh, we have to waitfor the fog to burn off
Sometimes, sometimes, where'syour?
Well, okay, if you have tovacation, are you choosing like
a beach resort or something else?
Beach resort Okay.
Where's your favorite place tovacation?

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
I love San Diego and I love Malibu, but Malibu burnt
down thanks to New.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Zealand.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, see , let's save that for the next
time.
Okay, yeah, yeah, so you.
Let's save that for the nexttime.
Okay, yeah, so you like.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
I'm very political and I even I mean, I'm not
afraid to say it I thought, youknow, before this election, that
was so important.
I thought this election was sovery, very, very important in
our lifetime that I actuallycame out as the patriotic
prostitute and I and I have aMAGA manifest.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
All right, okay, hey you know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
Hey look, we're both on the same page.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
I'm mad at Trump right now too, because he went
you know, he gave Google a pass,you know for a million dollar
donation to his library.
And oh, it's okay with you now,president Trump.
But what about all those girlsthat are getting deplatformed?
What about all of us that arecensored?
We can't even say the word sexanymore, although I am really to
be honest with you.

(01:12:49):
One text message from thepresident.
I hope that doesn't get mekilled.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
No, true story Really .

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Is that going?

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
to be in the book Little me.
But it'll be in the book, rightI?

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Oh no, you can reveal it all right here.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
You know what It'll come out.
Yeah, it will.
All right, it's not like.
It's not like.
It's not a thing.
That it's not like StormyDaniels kind of thing.
Although I was supposed to bethere.
I was supposed to be up at thatgolf tournament with Stormy
Daniels and I said, no, golfers,don't spend any money
apparently these ones did and Idon't.

(01:13:43):
Politicians, I'll get you,you'll get killed.
No politicians, entertainers orathletes.
Athletes, no, no, you just likethe regular average joe right,
yeah, yeah, no.
Athletes and entertainers theyhave groupies so they don't
spend money.
And uh, politicians, you'll getkilled, man.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
So there you go.
Uh, okay, one more on this orthat.
All right, one One more, oh.
But well, you said that one ofyour favorite places to go is
San Diego and you prefer a beachresort.
For me, my favorite place everto vacation is Cancun.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
I love the beaches in Cancun, yeah, yeah.
But I'm more of a lake guybecause I don't surf.
I love to water ski, so I dothat.
So I prefer the lake.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
I like the sound of the ocean soothing, tremendous,
tremendous.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
Yes, it can be so soothing and relaxing.
Yeah, absolutely Okay, allright, last one on this or that
Day or night.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
Day.
All right, yeah, I'm scared ofthe dark.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
I don't believe that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
I am, yeah, I get up with the sun.
I like to go to bed with thesun, get up and go to sleep with
the sun.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
All right, so I never really was a night girl, well
in all transparency, this isn'tearly in the morning, or it
wasn't when we got startedanyway, but it is in the morning
, so we're both morning people.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
Yeah, I like the peace in the morning before the
world really starts.
You know I like that peace.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
Yeah, you know, I'm a delivery driver for cisco food
service.
That's my monday through fridayjob, okay, and uh, I started oh
dark 30 most of the time.
So there's been doing it, forI've been in this business for
39 years, so it's there'ssomething about just being being

(01:15:58):
out and being up before therest of the world.
It's kind of like having thattime to yourself you know before
the world starts getting busyand then you know when people
start shuffling and and and and,moving around and going to work
in my.
You know it's like yeah get outof my way people.
Yeah, yeah, okay, all right.

(01:16:20):
So now one more, one more.
Okay, Out the island questions.
Okay, so you're going to golive the rest of your life on a,
on a, on a, on an island, andyou're going to be by yourself.
So what, what food are yougoing to take with you to

(01:16:41):
sustain yourself?

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
probably something that I could use the seeds to
keep growing, most of right okay, so that's not a bad idea,
that's not a bad thought.
See, here I'm thinking becauseit's you know, it's got protein
and good fats and you can grow.
Use that pit to grow yeah,you're right, you could.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
You could grow another avocado tree.
There you go, you're done,you're sustained the rest of
your life, and avocados arepretty good anyway.
Right, all right.
What candy bar are you going totake?
Hershey's, just a regular.
Hershey's chocolate bar Just aregular Hershey's, no, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
I like the consistency of the little
Hershey's.
I got addicted.
Anything I just I like theconsistency of like the little
Hershey's.
I got addicted to these for awhile.
The little Hershey's that comein a flat and they just melt
perfectly on your mouth.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
All right.
Okay, what book are you goingto take to read?

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
You know what?
I've never read the Bible.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
So why not right it?

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
would force me to read it, and there's a million
ways to interpret it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
Okay, yeah, yeah, all right.
Greatest story ever told.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
I've never read that all the way through.
It's so bad.
I shouldn't have said that mysponsor would kill me.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
They're both the same .
They're both the same to me,the Bible.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
What CD or album are you going to take to listen to?
Well, what kind of music do youlike?

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
I like all kinds of music.
My playlist, my favorite songsright now.
Should I go over them realquick?
Sure, let me tell you what myfavorite songs are.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
Yeah, yeah, we're going to get Air Force Amy's
playlist right now, so everybodytake note.
Grab a pen and paper.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
My favorite songs right now I have um, I guess
that's why they call it theblues by Elton John.
Yeah, no, that's a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
I like that one and my glasses.
See, I don a good one, I likethat one and my glasses one.
See, I don't shy away, I justput my glasses on because I
can't see a darn thing.
See, I thought you had goodvision.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
No, I Can't Get Next to you.
The Temptations oh A BrokenBells by Greta Van Fleet.
Do you know Greta Van Fleet?

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
I know the band.
I don't know that particularsong.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
Yeah, yeah, they're good Song.
Sung Blue by Neil Diamond.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
Oh wow, that might have been the first Neil Diamond
song I ever heard as a kid.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
Yeah, don't you just love it.
Oh, my God, I love him.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
That's a really good song, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
Yeah, With a little help from my friends Joe Cocker.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
Oh, wow, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
Yeah, papa was a rolling stone by the temptations
.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
Oh yeah, all right yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
Okay, um, too good to go by is by Sam Smith.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
I don't know that one .

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
Yeah, you know it.
Um, now know that one.
Yeah, you know it.
Now that the magic has gone,joe Cocker again, you can call
me Al Paul Simon.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
Yeah, that's a good one.
That's a good one.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
Twist and Shout by the Beatles.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
Crocodile Rock Crocodile.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
Rock EJ.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
Yeah, I got a lot of Joe Cocker in here, Gloria by
them.
Free Fallin' Tom Petty.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
Maggie Mae, Rod Stewart.
Yeah, Franklin's Tower GratefulDead.
The same love that made melaugh, Bill Withers.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
Oh wow, I don't know if I know that one let's see how
it goes.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
Oh wow, I don't know if I know that one.
Let's see how it goes.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
And I dig me some.
Bill Withers, you know you'reall over the place with that,
with your playlist.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
Nice, yeah, all right Nice.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
You are, you're all over the place, but it's a.
It's a.

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
It's a good collection, but and here's the
thing I play the same like everyday.
Like I'm in the shower boom, soI hear like the first five
songs every day.
I know exactly what song iscoming next.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
I'm the same way I I.
I like something, and you know,look, I.
I grew up listening to albumsand, and and sitting on the bed.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
What's that?

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
you grew up listening to eight tracks no, I remember
the eight tracks I did have.
I only, but I only had a few ofthose, because I didn't like
the way that they changed in themiddle of it.
They changed in the middle ofthe song, you know okay, it was
just easier to put an album on.
But but uh, you know that's.
That's when I grew up listeningto all that stuff in the 70s.
You got a really good mix alittle 60s, little 70s, 80s yeah

(01:22:27):
, so yeah, we're, we're bothright in the fleet.
Yeah, I love that little guyyeah, we're both right there, so
there's another band that's new.

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
It's called Feel.
They sound like Led Zeppelin, alot of Led Zeppelin sounding
rock and roll coming back.
I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
You had your playlist , but you didn't tell me what CD
or album you're going to taketo the island.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
Neil Diamond.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
Ooh, neil Diamond.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
Yeah, classic Neil Diamond Like a greatest hits
package from Neil, because thenyou get everything right.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
It makes you happy, it makes me happy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
Yeah, neil and Neil, just I mean so much it makes me
happy.
Yeah, neil and Neil's just Imean so much over his entire
career.
Yeah, okay, one movie.
What movie are you going totake?

Speaker 3 (01:23:25):
Forrest Gump or stepbrothers, I still make up
the Forrest Gump of brothels.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
Well, you know you've got that story, so yeah, why
not?
And if there was one personthat you could have on the
island with you forconversational purposes only,
who would that be?

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
conversational purposes only.
Who would that be?

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
Tucker Carlson.
All right, okay, great.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
Or Joe Rogan.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
Either one you can talk to forever.
That's true.
That is true.
You know what this has been somuch fun.

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
Tell everybody where they can find Air Force Amy, air
Force Amycom and join mymembership.
And I'm really trying to put ittogether myself before the A&E
comes out next week.
You know I hired someone to putto install the membership site
and all the questions they askedwere like well, what are the
deliverables?
I'm like fuck, I need to learnhow to install it myself to tell

(01:24:42):
you how to install it.
So I'm installing it myself.
Hopefully I get it up and doneby Thursday and join it and
really enjoy what I put outthere.
I have a lot of content.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
Well, you have a great looking website.
It's a great looking website?
No, it is, it is.
You know?
Yeah, I mean, I just was goingthrough it yesterday and it is.
It's a really, really goodwebsite.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
Well, thanks, thanks, I did it myself.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
Look, there's a lot of people out there that don't
you know, with maybe even morenotoriety or more recognition
than you and you know, notnearly as uh uh elaborate of a
website.

Speaker 3 (01:25:26):
So very elaborate, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
Yeah, it's really good.
It's really good Um.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
I happen to really dislike webmasters my own
webmaster I like.
I love them to death, but anyother ones I've met they're just
snakes in the grass.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
I just tell you really snakes yeah well, this is
an in-house program here, soeverything I do it's like I,
it's like me, or my wife,katherine, and she's actually
the one that does most of it.
She's better at it than I am.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
That's nice yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
But yeah, yeah, I just, I would like to get a
better website myself.
Well, one of these days we'llwork on that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
I don't have much.
If you have WordPress, you justdo it yourself.
Now, with Divi, I'm doing it,you know you can drop blocks
into it.
There's a whole lot easier thanwhat it used to be.
It's just like and then plus.
You know ai is going to make itso much simpler ai grok is my
go-to man.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
Helps build your website in like five minutes
helps me everything I have.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
you know I keep grok open while I'm doing mom
building or writing or anythingand I just go back and forth.
I have conversations,everything about me.
Brock knows more than mytherapist.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
I don't know how good that is, would you say that was
crack Crack on Twitter.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
Yeah, the AI that Twitter is Elon oh not crack.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
Okay, great, okay, all right.
So basically we want people tojust go to airforceamycom.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
Yeah, it's going to have the latest.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
Great, the latest and greatest on airforceamycom.
Stick around just for a minute.
I'm going to close up shop, butstick around for me okay.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
Okay, thank you, it's been such a pleasure.
It's been such a joy to talk toyou.
Oh well, thank you, it's beensuch a pleasure You've been such
a joy to talk to.
Oh well, thank you, thank you,I you know.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
look, I just I appreciate your time and I
didn't look.
I'm not a gotcha person oranything like that, I just want
to have nice conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
Very nice and I really appreciate you.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
Very kind of you to say thank you.
So listen everybody.
That's a wrap.
As you know, this program isavailable wherever you get your
podcasts.
Once again, just search the BenMaynard program.
Boom, it's right there.
Whatever platform you're using,just subscribe to it.
Okay, subscribe to it.
You'll get notification whennew episodes drop.
Give me a five-star rating too,all right.

(01:27:48):
And look, leave a review, whynot?
But if you can't resist some ofthis right here and a little
bit of that right over thereit's probably more of that than
this OK, then you watch it onYouTube.
Then please subscribe to thechannel.
All right, subscribe to thechannel.

(01:28:09):
You know I'm on a campaign.
I'm trying to get 500subscribers before the end of
the year.
Okay, yeah, I'm trying.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
Yeah, I'm trying, you're taking over with that?

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
Well, you know, I'll take anything.

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
Yeah, I really interact on YouTube channels
with the comments.
I really like to interact withthe fans and the viewers, so go
ahead and leave a comment, allright yeah, see, if Amy says
subscribe, you got to subscribe.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
Okay, so subscribe to the channel.
Give me a thumbs up and leave acomment, because I reply to
your comments.
All right, A lot of peopledon't, but I do, and then you
have to tell 10,000 of yourfamily and friends.
Yeah, Last but not least, followme on Instagram.
Simply Ben Maynard Program, orI'm a little more active on
TikTok.

(01:29:00):
I can't believe I'm doing that,but I'm a little more active on
TikTok.
So it's the Ben Maynard Programon TikTok.
All right, With that, we'redone.
Like I said, stick around, Amy.
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Tell a friend.

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