EP. 97 THE PRINCE OF DARKNESS: REMEMBERING OZZIE OSBOURNE

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So with that, plenty of ways totake in this show for your
dancing and listening pleasure,for your dancing and listening
pleasure.
And it's been a really, reallyit's been a tough week in the
music and entertainment businessor industry, and so I wanted to

(01:56):
bring on my good buddy, shannonCox from Talking Rock Fan
Podcast.
So I'm going to do that rightnow, and there he is.
What's up, shannon?
How are you?

Speaker 2 (02:06):
So, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
So I I reached out to Shannon.
I was like, look, dude, youknow we've had this person, this
person, this person and thisperson pass and um, and we're
going to get into all that in aminute.
I said, you know, um, aboutcoming on, let's do a proper
tribute and then let's sharesome stories and that kind of
stuff.
And he was like I'm all in, I'mlike all right.

(02:30):
So here we are.
So before we get into it, ofcourse the biggest name in music
this week is the passing ofOzzy Osbourne.
That was announced on Tuesday.
Ozzy passing at 76.
And because it's the biggestone, we're going to save that

(02:52):
one for the end and we're goingto touch on a couple of the
names here.
But before we get into Ozzy, Ithought that you know Shannon
and I could touch on some others, just because, like I said, I
think that they deserve to berecognized anyway.
So, shannon, I hope you'reready for that.
Well, look, I know for a factthat you are just going to be

(03:14):
just this.
You're going to blow up withthe Aussie and Black Sabbath
stuff.
So I'm really looking forwardto that.
But let's start with I think itwas, I think it was yesterday
it was announced that that jazzmusician, flugel hornist,
trumpeter, composer, chuckMangione passed away.

(03:35):
I think he was 84 years old.
Are you familiar with Chuck atall?

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Just one song and why I remember it is from the
doctor strange movie.
okay okay, all right doctorstrange before he gets all of
his powers and everything he'sdoing brain surgery and or
spinal surgery, I think it isand one of his techs likes to

(04:03):
play Stump like Stump the Trunkalmost.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they playobscure music for him and they
play Chuck Mangione for him andof course Dr Strange nails it
and gives him all these weirdfacts.
It's like the first ever hornsoloist number one hit, and so

(04:25):
it just stuck in my head and soI I'd always heard the song and
like elevators or in doctor'soffices and stuff, I never put
two and two together.
And then I watched the movie.
I'm like, oh, now I at leasthave you know some background on
the song.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
I, I mean Chuck, came onto my radar when I was
probably when I was in my earlyteens, and just because he had
crossed over to top 40 and hehad a couple of tunes.
I think I don't remember if thefirst one was feel so good or

(05:00):
not, but I remember just had areally cool groove to it, you
know, and I just dug, I dug what, what he was doing, and and
then I also think it was around1980.
Well, it had to be 1980.
He, uh, he was commissioned towrite a tune for the, uh, for
the Olympics, the 1980 Olympics,and that both of those, uh, you

(05:22):
know, both those I don'tremember.
I think he had two or three,you know, top 40 hits and and
then that was in the earlyeighties and then you kind of
never really, if you were notinto the, into the jazz world,
you kind of never really heardfrom Chuck again.
But then apparently he had aresurgence on King of the Hill,

(05:43):
the, the animated series.
I guess he had a.
He had a recurring, he had arecurring role on there on King
of the Hill, the animated series.
I guess he had a recurring roleon there and I mean, I know the
show, I know King of the Hill.
I haven't watched a lot of itso I couldn't even tell you if
I've seen an episode featuringChuck, but I know he was big
time.

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And when I did hear the newsyesterday it was like one of
those things like oh man.
Because, like I said, since myearly teens I hadn't known or
known of, whether it's actors,athletes, musicians, and

(06:31):
especially for us, being themusic nerds that we are, when
they start passing it's like ohman, and I don't know.
I don't really start thinkingabout my own mortality at that
point, but it's just likeanother one.
So anyway, but yeah, you know,look, rest in peace to Chuck.
He was certainly a legend inthe jazz world, but the next one

(06:58):
I wanted to hit on I think thisone actually got announced
yesterday too.
I think this one actually gotannounced yesterday too was
George Coymans, the guitaristand one of the chief songwriters
for the Dutch band GoldenEarring.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yes, I loved Radar Love.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yes, not a huge band in the United States.
As a matter of fact, goldenairing came onto my radar in
1983 with their second top 40hit and that was twilight zone.
Okay, and I don't even knowthat one.
Oh, no, you'll know it.

(07:39):
Okay, if you hear it, you'llknow it.
Yeah, you'll be.
Oh, yeah, okay, I know thatsong, but it was a pretty big
song, I mean at the time,compared to their first top 40
hit, radar Love, which was 10years earlier.
I don't know what chartposition that one hit, but

(08:00):
Twilight Zone, that was a top 10hit in the United States and it
was a pretty big song and areally good song too.
And I had no idea that GoldenEarring had been around for
nearly 20 years at that point.
These guys were like ancient atthat point.
But that was a good song andthe one thing it's I don't know

(08:25):
kind of funny is you take theirtwo top 40 hits in the United
States and they're both likeepic songs or like seven, eight
minute songs both of them, yes,unless you're listening to top
40 radio and then they cut itdown to like three minutes for

(08:47):
each one of those songs.
But uh, yeah, good stuff fromfrom from golden earring, and,
unfortunately, I think georgiewas diagnosed, like five years
ago, with als and I think that'sprobably what ended up.
You know, um, you know, gettingto him, um, you know, five

(09:08):
years later, you know, but Ithink he was like 77 years old.
So, you know, not a bad run.
But I know, as soon as, as soonas they announced, uh, that he
had als, the, the band itself,that's it.
All right, we're done.
So they called it quits,commendable, they were big time
in Europe, they were pretty bigtime.

(09:30):
So, anyway, all right.
Now see, because I'm the olderof the two of us not that I
could speak in depth on Chuck orGolden Earring, but I could
speak a little bit more on themwe're going to kind of get more
into Shannon's wheelhouse hereand a little bit for me, but

(09:51):
more so for for Shannon.
And uh, yesterday, sad, sad,sad news If you are a wrestling
fan, uh, you know, pro wrestlingfan at all and that was Hulk
Hogan passing away at 71 yearsold.
So young, yeah, so young.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Well, I think all the guys that passed away were in
their seventies.
So it's like a little club theyput together.
Yeah, I guess.
So Right, yeah, but what?

Speaker 1 (10:19):
do you?
Yes, so right, yeah, but whatdo you?
I mean, we talked earlier andyou are.
You know you were a wrestlingfan.
You said you kind of steppedaway a little bit, but you've
kind of gotten back into itrecently.
And what are your, you know?
Like, when did Hulk Hogan comeon your radar and what are your
remembrances of him?

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Well, I did not see the first wrestlemania too much
later.
So I mean rocky three withthunder lips was my introduction
into him.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
That was so good, that was so good.
Ball.
When he yells at rocky meatball, I want to break you in half.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
I'm gonna break you in two all the show girls, the
big feather in the hat, yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, yeah, great.
Was he wearing a big oldfeather boa too?
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
I mean it was just beautiful and that I've actually
read books on Hulk Hogan fromthat time period.
Yeah, and he had been fired bythe WWF at that point, Really
Because he wanted to go do RockyIII.
Oh, okay, at that point, really, because he wanted to go do
rocky three, oh, and so he wentand did rocky three and they saw
the reaction and the owner sawdollar sign, dollar signs, and

(11:34):
brought him back and then madehim world champion because of it
vince mcmahon yeah, vincent k,yeah, yeah, vincent K, yeah,
yeah, yeah.
He, um, I mean Hogan in the rockmusic world was actually well
known in the eighties because ofthe rock and roll connection.
He had a cartoon called therock and roll uh connection, I

(11:57):
believe was Cindy Lauper, andthey would have guests in there.
Mr T was always on it, yeah,yeah.
Then when in the wrestling evenyou know they brought out, I
mean ozzy osbourne was inwrestlemania 2 what's that?
really, yeah, yeah, wow.
He's in wrestlemania 2 as aspecial guest.
They always brought out guests.
The first wrestlemania, I think, was cindy lopper and uh

(12:21):
liberace I believe that was, Ithink first.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Wrestlemania was like 1984, I believe, yeah, I think
that was the one at the PontiacSilverdome.
No, that was three.
Oh, really, that was three,okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
The first one was Madison Square Garden oh, okay,
Yep.
And the second one was in threespots, simulcast three
different venues at once.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
And they never did that again because it was so
hard.
I think I remember hearing Hulktalk about that, something like
that yeah, yeah, yeah, cause,and they were all pay-per-view,
weren't they?

Speaker 2 (12:57):
The first one was not a pay-per-view, because it
wasn't really a thing, right itwas.
Because it wasn't really athing, right it was.
They would sell out viewingplaces that had special license
to carry it, not theaters butlike halls and stuff and they
would sell out places with bigscreens, yeah, and people would

(13:19):
have to gather.
And then Vincent McMahon, youknow, jumped on it and when he
saw other wrestling promotersdoing pay-per-view he did it
better.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
We could do a special on WrestleMania guest stars
anyway, because WrestleMania 3,alice Cooper was in it a pretty
big rock connection with, with,with professional wrestling, or,
or you know, the, the, the WWF,or the WWE as it's known now,

(13:52):
or even even WCW, which whichthat was a thing for a while and
got got swallowed up by the WWE.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Hogan.
Hogan was a big part of WCW'srise and fall.
When he right, I mean look myopinion and I I mean Hogan was a
big part of WCW's rise and fallRight.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
I mean, look my opinion and I can speak a little
bit on Hulk Hogan, just becauseI was around and he first came
on my radar on Rocky III and I'ma teenager, I'm a junior in
high school, I'm sorry.
I was going into my senior yearin high school and I went to go
see Rocky III and I'm seeingthis guy that's like 6'7", he's
about 300 over Rocky.

(14:27):
It was.
But look, I know he was talland he was big, but you know he
had to be standing on like anapple crate just to give that
effect that he was even so muchbigger because the thing is,
sylvester Stallone's actuallyshort.
Well, he's, yeah, he's not verytall, I think think he's about 5
, 10 maybe.
Yeah, and that's maybe if hestands on his tiptoes, I don't
know.
But uh, but uh, but that thatwas just such an image, you know

(14:53):
.
And then just to see that scene, it was so great and and I
think to what you're saying,really that's probably you know,
vince was like, oh, we got toget this guy back and and look,
if it wasn't for Hulk Hogan, wwfwould not be what it is.
He was.
I mean, he's not only just sosynonymous with professional

(15:14):
wrestling, with WWF, with WWE,with whatever professional
wrestling period.
He was the.
He was really kind of like I Imean, there was professional
wrestling way before then.
Andre the giant was like one ofthe only guys I even knew of
before wwf happened, because youknow, everybody had their own

(15:35):
regional wrestling and differentcities and towns and all that
kind of stuff.
But I, I watched it a littlebit on local television when I
was much smaller, but but thenHulk Hogan, you know, comes on
the scene and just thingsexplode and from, from
pay-per-views and from being ontelevision, you know, whatever,

(15:56):
like once a month or somethinglike that, they had some big
wrestling thing going into toysand just everything else.
It was just bananas, and I justhonestly just think it okay.
Yes, could Vince McMahon do agreat marketing job?
Sure, but you know what, if itwasn't for Hulk Hogan, I just oh

(16:18):
, you had to have somebody tosell, and not only that, but
Hulk Hogan could sell himselftoo, you know so-.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
He had TV shows.
He had movies, like you said,dolls, video games.
He was on two rock albums.
They were wrestling albums.
You had WrestleMania the albumno, it was the wrestling album.
Then you had Piledriver, thewrestling album too.
Okay, and he was on both ofthose and his face is front and

(16:48):
center on those albums.
So when I went and bought those, that's what I looked for.
You saw Hogan you knew.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
That's it.
Give me that.
Yeah, well, he was such anenormous figure.
Figure and not just in stature,but but just an enormous figure
in his personality and and andand and, just in the way that he
did market himself but but also, um, he transcended wrestling.

(17:24):
Oh yeah, like you said, he didtelevision shows, he did movies,
he was on a couple of albums.
Just you know, he had his ownreality show at one point too.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
I forgot about that.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Right, I think I watched a few episodes because
there was a lot of.
There was a lot of cool musicrelated stuff on bh1 or bh1
classic whatever it was firstwife, I believe.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
I think you're right on that one because his second
wife's guy I think her name isis uh, quite a bit younger than
him, yeah, um, so she may nothave been alive when he was
wrestling at first but just uh,just to you know, and, and you
know, uh never had I shouldn'tsay never, but but early on did

(18:23):
not have a very goodrelationship with his father.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Oh, and his father completely disapproved of what
he was doing when it came towrestling, cause he went to
college at, uh, florida orFlorida state or something
somewhere in Florida, I can'tremember exactly which, which
university it was.
And he was, he was majoring inaccounting.
Okay, can you, can you imaginea guy like six foot seven, six

(18:49):
foot eight, 300 pounds, you know, sitting behind a desk wanting
to do your taxes or somethinglike that?
I mean, come on, really, yeah,that guy, seriously, but, but,
but, um, but um, he, uh, he knewhe wanted something different
and he went into wrestling.
Father didn't approve of it andI think it was um.

(19:10):
When he won the title, hewrestled the iron chic.
I think that was 84.
Yeah, and it might've been thefirst time he won the title,
cause he was like I don't know,like six times.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, you, you know it was.
It was the sheik was the firstperson that he beat.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, yeah and what's crazy is the iron sheik was
like really, um, he was like hewas like a security guy for the
shah of iran back in the in the70s so he was like a real dude,
you know he was a former olympicwrestler.
Yeah, yeah, he has like medalsand everything so when, when, uh

(19:46):
, when, hulk, uh, when he was,you know, uh, in preparation for
that match, he, he had hisparents attend, he got him
tickets, whatever, and and andand had him there, um, watching
the match.
And it wasn't until after thematch and he, he won, that his,

(20:07):
his dad had come up to him andsaid you know what, I kind of
understand what it is you'redoing now and I get it and I'm
really proud of you and it was,you know, it was at that point,
you know, but up to then it waskind of a really a rocky
relationship with his father, so, but, uh, bother, so but uh, he
had some stuff in the news too.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Back in the nineties he was in.
He helped expose the businessfrom the the.
We've got to believe, you know,we've got to believe everything
is real.
He brought that forefront andlet people know.
Well, it is real.
But we have a script.
Uh predetermined a little bit.

(20:46):
And then the steroid trials hewent through that.
He was, he was the key witnessagainst the wwf and vincent k
mcmahon.
But then, because I've watcheddocumentaries on this where he
actually changed his mind on thestand and went against, uh, the
prosecution and yeah, that'show he supposedly got back in

(21:06):
the good graces of WWFE,whatever you want to call it,
but yeah, yeah, you know, just,I mean figuratively and
literally, just a larger thanlife figure and it's.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
It's kind of a shame.
Um, another one of those peoplehas been around almost all my
life you know, and so justanother, absolutely absolutely
Just another guy, just you knowgone to, gone too soon and um,

(21:44):
but Just you know gone too soon,and but you know he died as a
Christian man and so I, you know, good for him.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
One thing on Hogan before I forget.
Yeah, Rick Derringer did two ofhis ring entrances like wrote
them.
I think I heard something aboutthat.
He used to be really big inwrestling, writing music for
wrestlers back in the 80s.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
I think I heard something about that around the
time Rick Derringer passed.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yeah, probably I think that came to light.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
That was just a few months ago Was that June?
It was a month six weeks ago,something like that yeah, yeah,
yeah, I don't know.
A month six weeks ago,something like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Another.
You know another, really, ifyou think about it.
Another legend in music whoreally had one hit song but

(22:41):
wrote and played for just oodlesof people.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Oh, if you play Hulk Hogan's Real American, oodles of
people.
Oh, if you play hulk hogan'sreal american, which was what he
came to the ring with duringhis whole first run as champion,
yeah, anybody from the era thatwatched him would know it.
They wouldn't necessarily knowrick derringer wrote, sang, it
did the whole nine yards, yeah,but I mean, yeah, I mean it was.

(23:03):
And then when he went to wcw,rick derringer was brought in to
write his new patriotic song,because at the time, you know,
we just came out of desert stormand was looking at um right
other stuff on the horizons andthey were trying to think,
should we let hogan revisit the,the evil foreigner angles and

(23:26):
stuff?
And they end up not doing that.
But they kept the music and andhe kept that until he changed
his music to voodoo child by uh,hendrix.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Okay, in the mid 90s when, when, when, hulk, and
we'll wrap this up because we'll, we'll get into, we'll get into
it, because I know you're justgoing to go on for days.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
I'm a wrestling nerd too.
I apologize.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Well, no, I mean, you're going to go on for days
when we get to our nextcelebrity.
But when Hulk went to WCW, hecouldn't take Hulk with him.
That's when he became HollywoodHogan, right, no, he?

Speaker 2 (24:09):
took Hulk Hogan to WCW.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Why did he change to Hollywood Hogan and remember he
colored his mustache black orhis beard black, whatever,
something?

Speaker 2 (24:21):
like that.
I don't know how muchterminology you know about
wrestling.
I don't know how muchterminology you know about
wrestling yeah, I don't know,but there's two terms or three,
two, yeah, I can't count.
One and one equals three.
Living color, who alsoperformed at WrestleMania this
year, by the way.
Living color did.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Oh yeah, I heard something about that, yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
But anyway, hogan was , when he first became a
wrestler was what was known as aheel, which are bad guys, yeah.
And he became champion a fewmonths before he became what's
called a baby face a good guy.
Okay, that was wrestlingterminology.
When you switch from one to theother, you have to change a lot

(25:07):
of things.
You change your music, youchange your appearance.
When hogan was originally knownas terry boulder, before he was
hulk hogan, right, his, hischest hair was cut in a mushroom
cloud, very hokey, veryterrible.
He was embarrassed of thepictures, but it was.
It was a mushroom cloud, veryhokey, very terrible.
He was embarrassed of thepictures, but it was.

(25:27):
It was a mushroom cloud ofchest hair.
And so when he came to the backto WWF, they're like no, we
need you clean shaven, we needyou bright.
So they want to make sure hishair was nice and blonde and, uh
, the do rag to cover up youknow the unsightly baldness,

(25:48):
because, goodness knows, you gotto portray, you know, healthy
individual.
And he started the prayers,vitamins, regiments and talking
about it.
When he became Hollywood Hogan,he wanted to be anti-fan.
He wanted to be anti-fan, hewanted to be anti-establishment.
He broke all the rules, whichwas 100, was a 180 from american

(26:12):
hulk hogan, who was like neverbroke a rule unless it was
absolutely, you know, justified,and it was just his way.
I mean, he painted his mustachewith black stuff and, yeah, he
spray painted his championshipbelt, which was sacrilege
because those things at the timecost $12,000.
Holy cow.
And he spray painted one likelive on the air.

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And the books I've read arelike the people in the back
going, oh my God.
Well, we got to.
Let him keep it for a while now, or at least people in his
stable keep it, because it's gotNWO on it.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, so that's why he changed Okay, right on.
Um, all right, you ready tomove on?

Speaker 2 (26:56):
with a deep breath and a sigh.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah, and and probably a lot of sadness too.
And, and this one was uh, thisone came through on Tuesday
morning.
Um, it was announced that atthe uh age of 76, ozzy Osbourne
passed away.
And, um, I remember well, itwas only Tuesday, so of course I

(27:21):
remember where I was, but itwas, uh, I was listening to, I
was listening to a serious XM.
It was, um, it was probably 20minutes before Eddie show was
going to, was going to start.
So I'm like, oh, no way, ozziepassed away and I thought, okay,
well, eddie's coming on 20minutes and obviously the whole

(27:41):
show is going to be nothing butOzzie.
And then, when the show starts,come to find out that Eddie's
out of town or he's, you know,making his way west to Las Vegas
.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
And so you would have thought they'd preempted and
had his producer come in and go.
Breaking news,da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da,
exactly, oh, breaking news.
Now back to our regular, youknow.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Yeah, exactly news.
Now back to our regular youknow, yeah, exactly so.
So we had to wait a day to geteddie's perspective on it.
But you know, um, it was justone of those things.
I'll give my kind ofperspective, because you're
gonna have so much more to talkabout on this than I am and, uh,
that's why I wanted.
So I just thought to myself,okay, at least Ozzy got to

(28:29):
perform one last time with theoriginal lineup of Black Sabbath
.
He actually, I mean back in 92,he was retiring, it was no More
Tours, that was the tour, the noMore Tours tour, and I think
that evolved into Oz Festinstead of the tours, so to

(28:51):
speak.
But it was just, you know, andjust like with so many other
artists and bands that we, likeyou know that, say goodbye.
They kind of say goodbye for alittle bit and they're right
back in it.
But but you know, for I guessit was for probably the last

(29:12):
five or six years Ozzy was, hehad this tour scheduled, uh, or
planned, with, uh, judas Priestopening, and it kept getting
postponed because Ozzy hadsurgery here, he had this there,
a lot of health issues the lastfive, six years and Ozzy's had
health issues in the past, youknow, probably past 20 years,

(29:33):
but nothing that kept him fromthe stage, nothing that kept him
from performing, but thisdefinitely was keeping him down.
And then, of course, was it acouple of years ago it was
announced that he was sufferingfrom Parkinson's disease, and so
you know, but he kept saying,oh, I'm going to come back, I'm
going to be back, I'm going tobe back.

(29:54):
And then it just never happenedand you really kind of saw the
writing on the wall.
But then early this year, it wasprobably January, february,
when they made the announcement.
You know, back to the beginning, one time, one time only.
It's going to be in Birmingham,england, rightfully so with the
original members of BlackSabbath, and it was going to be.

(30:15):
It was supposed to be really atribute to the original lineup
of Black Sabbath and it kind ofended up being a farewell to
Ozzy really.
But from Ozzy's perspective, Ikept hearing that he was like I
got to play with Bill Ward onelast time, we're doing this for
Bill, and so I thought that wasreally nice on Ozzy's part too,

(30:39):
and he finally got to do it.
You know, he got to go out theway he wanted to, performing one
final time for his fans, forall the other artists that were
there paying tribute to not onlyhim but to black Sabbath, and
he got to perform with his guysone last time, and I think that
was a really, just a really um,you couldn't go out any other

(31:03):
way, sure.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
I was really worried that he was even going to be
able to do it, cause you, youknow, you hear the rumor mill
they were spouting Aussiescanceling again because was it
not, was it desert trip?
Whatever it was?
Uh, yeah, and 2023, judaspriest took his spot.
Yep, um, cause four, three,four months before you know, he
had to cancel just for thosereasons and everybody's like, oh

(31:28):
man, it's happening again.
You know, ozzy once played witha glass in his eye.
He once performed with brokenribs on stage for this to keep
him away from the stage.
Oh, my goodness gracious, youknow this is the end and you
know, little did we know when itwas going to come so soon after

(31:48):
his last performance.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah, and at the time that we're recording this
episode too, I don't think it'sstill been revealed what the
actual cause of death was.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
so no, um, him or hogan.
I think hogan was just cardiacarrest.
Ozzy, I think they're just sofar.
It's just a rapid parkinson's,because it can hit you rapidly
and deteriorate you fairlyquickly.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
And that's possible, but when did you know you're a
huge Black Sabbath fan and youare a huge Ozzy Solo?
Fan and you are a huge Ozzysolo fan and obviously we're a

(32:36):
little bit different in agethere's about 10 years
difference between the two of usbut when did Black Sabbath come
on?

Speaker 2 (32:43):
your radar.
Well, ozzy came on my radarfirst.
Okay, as a solo artist.
Yeah, yeah, my brother, whointroduced me to hard rock and
heavy metal, brought home barkat the moon.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Oh, wow, so not even blizzard of Oz.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
No, it was not the first, not the first three, well
, two albums.
And there was live albums afterthat speak, speak after that, I
think speak, speak.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
I think.
Yeah, speak of the Devil wasthe one after Diary.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Brad Gillis, yes, yeah, yeah, and Bark at the Moon
.
And I was like, wow, I waseight, nine when that came out
and he brought it home.
There was like eight yearsdifference between me and my
brother.
He's a little bit older and hewas listening to it all the time
when my parents went around andI would howl.
I mean we didn't haveheadphones, we didn't, we had

(33:41):
just the old, the old credenzathat you flipped up and put
records on or you pushed aneight track in and we had a
little tape deck and he broughthome the tape and we wore it out
.
Love, bark at the Moon that wasmy introduction.
I mean I didn't know who RandyRhodes was until way after that.
Wow, what's really crazy.

(34:02):
Black Sabbath I didn't realizeOzzy was in Black Sabbath at
first when I first heard him,because the first artist I heard
with them was Tony Martin.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Oh, wow, and I went back yeah, yeah, it's like well,
but the timeline is everything.
Everybody comes in at adifferent point in in a in a
band's chronology.
You know, I mean you're comingin on Ozzy's third studio album.

(34:34):
You know you're coming in on onTony, on Black Sabbath with
with Tony Martin, which was likeafter Ian Gillen, after Glenn
Hughes and, you know, certainlyafter Dio.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
To bring it back.
To bring it back a little bit.
Yeah, the first time I heard anIron or not Iron, a Black
Sabbath song, was in wrestlingJeez.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Going to bring it back around to our previous
conversation.
Right, right right.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Iron man was the ring entrance for the road warriors.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
And it was funny they would play.
You know, by the time they gotOzzy had Iron man out over the
loudspeakers.
The road warriors were in thering and had their opponents
dead being pinned.
The song didn't even get tofinish its intro and it was just
hilarious and that for thelongest time I was like that's

(35:28):
really a weird way, you know,but it sounded so dark and
sinister and yeah, it wasn't.
Till years later I'm like, oh,that was ozzy and black sabbath
and I started going, like I said, going back, and I and I still
haven't listened to the.
Ian gillen was that forbidden?
I'm trying to remember whichone again, born again.

(35:49):
The one with the little devilbaby on the cover yes, yes, yes,
yeah, forbidden.
I've not heard either, but yeah, so, yeah, that was my intro
was Bark at the Moon.
Okay, I remember my brotherbeing shattered because my
parents wouldn't let him go.
Oh, to see him on the tour, yeahgo, oh to, to see him on the

(36:16):
tour.
Yeah, he, he was uh playingknoxville, tennessee, about an
hour and a half hour, hour and ahalf away from us at thompson
bowling, um, and I don'tremember who was opening for him
then, I think, on that tour andit's only because it's just
what I keep hearing.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Maybe no, I think, on the bark of the moon tour I I
think it was Motley Crue, motleyCrue, I think the crew was
opening up that tour.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Okay, I knew they did one of the early ones and then
Metallica did one of the earlyones as well, which blew me away
that Motley even Nikki Sixx notshowing up at the back to the
beginning kind of threw me for aloop.
But've many people have saidyou can't invite everybody.
Yeah, that's exactly right,people are throwing stones
trying to figure out who wasthrown off the tour.

(36:56):
I don't care, your Rolodex onlygoes so far.
You know, Daytoness, you can go, and not only that it was.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Look, it was eight hours already.
That's an endurance.
That's an endurance test initself, and know it doesn't
matter.
It doesn't matter if there's arevolving stage or not.
You can still only get so manypeople on there, so right and I
have yet to see all of it.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
I've seen a few youtube clips here and there I
haven't seen any of it.
I've been interested in it, butI haven't just haven't seen any
of it there's definitely acouple of standout performances
um the young blood thateverybody's talking about yeah,
I keep hearing about that one.
I actually knew him a littlebit before this.
It was kind of shocking that heshowed up, because that is not

(37:43):
his scene at all.
Really he is not rock at all.
Um, he does like an emo kind ofmusic okay yeah, yeah and not
that I was a fan of it, but wewatched a tv show 13 reasons why
and it had multiple seasons ofit and he was on the soundtracks

(38:04):
for some of that.
Okay, very, very dark show andalmost like they put his music
where it was depressing in theshow.
But if you hear him singchanges it's great.
It's great and everybody onstage did a great job.
And they actually leave him atthe end of the song to sing out

(38:27):
with the crowd the ending of ithe did so well.
Um then, another standout.
I haven't watched the StevenTyler stuff, even though I've
heard that's great.
I was a little bit disappointedthat Tyler didn't do any Ozzy
or Sabbath.
I mean they could have fitsomething in there for Steven
Right.
I understand the contrast ofstyles and that he's an icon,
yeah, but if you're there to paytribute, why not?

Speaker 1 (38:54):
You know, yeah, but if you're there to pay tribute,
why not?
You know, right?
I mean, even an icon like sammyhagar still performed, um, um,
I don't even remember what itwas he performed, but he
performed, I think, something tohis, and he performed a.
Was it black sabbath song orwas it a?

Speaker 2 (39:05):
I don't even remember if it was an aussie song I have
not watched it, but I've readthat he botched.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
The lyrics is all yes , that I didn't hear.
Oh, it was um cute.
It wasn't flying high again wasit no no crap, but yeah, I did
hear that he kind of yeah, hekind of messed up the lyrics.
Yeah, live music and yeah,better than being on tape, right
, absolutely, but, uh, but it,yeah, but what, that's right, I

(39:32):
think it was an aussie song.
Yeah, um, anyway, yeah, I justhaven't seen any of the clips,
but um, I want to see the uh,professionally shot version of
it.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
So if it ever comes out as a box set or some kind of
stream that you could get, Iwould probably get it just for
prosperity, because I haveseveral of their DVDs.
I have the Dio's Radio CityMusic Hall.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Oh wow, that was the Heaven and Hell era.
Right, I mean not the albumitself, but the band.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yes, Eddie Trunk actually hosted.
I've got that on DVD.
I've got the end, which wassupposed to be the last black
Sabbath concert.
Um, then I've got uh, uh,gathering in their masses which
was the the tour of that timefor their album 13.
Okay, um, so, yeah, I've, I'vegot several of those and, yeah,

(40:31):
as hard as it was to see ozzyand his throne, it was, it was a
throne, but they they're fanvideos, which is I'm starting to
jump on board the whole don'ttake your cell phone thing,
because all that shot footage isruining some of the mystique

(40:52):
for me.
Oh, really, the sound qualityis atrocious.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, poor, um,yeah, there's several videos
where they show, where theybring ozzy out and they dress up
his chair as the throne.
So I'm like, oh man, I wish Ihadn't seen that part, you know,
and the poor guy went off hismedications just to show his

(41:15):
dedication.
How tough he was yeah, that'swhat I want his medications to
do this so he wouldn't besubdued.
And during his performance, yousee, you see his flinches and
and uh little spasms or jerks orwhatever, and the man poured
his heart out.
Even if he was list uh playingto a tape, I doubt, because I

(41:38):
didn't see any of the videoswhere you could see him lip
syncing, but he did keep themicrophone close to his mouth.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
You know from everything I've heard and I and
I do believe it because therethere's, I don't know, there's a
guy that does a lot of vocalcomparisons and that kind of
stuff and I guess he's reallygood at this stuff, he's like an
engineer or whatever but fromeverything I've heard that he
was actually singing live.

(42:06):
It didn't.
I mean not that it sounded bad,but where.
And not me, being a musician, Icouldn't give you notes and
scales and all that kind ofstuff.
But instead of being at thispitch here, he was down-tuned a
little bit and maybe he was offa little bit on a couple notes
here and there which, look,forget about the Parkinson's.

(42:29):
The guy's 76 years old anyway.
So trying to sing at 76, likeyou did in nine, you know, when
you were 46 or 36, you know isis just going to be completely
different and had not performedin years.
That's true.
That's true Because we knowthat.
I think it was last year he didsomething with Tony Iommi in

(42:50):
England.
It was just the two of them, itwas a soccer game or something
like that and that wascompletely like tape.
But yeah, from everything thatI've heard, no, it was
completely live.
And then what they did is theykind of if you bought the
pay-per-view it was a two-hourdelay and which actually gave

(43:16):
sound guys or whatever.
It gave them a couple hours tosweeten it up a little bit, but
not a lot.
There wasn't a lot that theyhad that they had to tweak.
So good on ozzy for that,because if you're a huge fan
like you or anybody else outthere like you, then you know,
over the last 20 years 25 yearsOzzy has struggled mightily live

(43:40):
.
He's had good nights and badnights and there's been a lot of
stuff going on.
So look for everything thathe's been through or he was
going through and had beenthrough to sing.
I think it was a total of ninesongs.
Nine songs, yeah, total ninesongs between the Ozzy set and

(44:02):
the Black Sabbath set.
Thumbs up to Ozzy, thumbs up toOzzy.
It's all I can say.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Tony Iommi said they wanted to play seven to eight
songs they had picked out andbecause of curfew they dialed it
back that's right or handed itto more.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
I think he said they cut two songs.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yeah, and I can't remember the other song, yeah it
was.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
It was Gypsy.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Yeah, yeah, and was it the Wizard?
Oh, I couldn't imagine Ozzyeven attempting the Wizard.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
No, yeah, that's true , yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
pretty crazy, it was.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Maybe Black Sabbath.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
It might have been, yeah, but I do remember him
saying gypsies wear boots.
Yeah, Fairies wear boots.
I mean fairies.
Yeah, fairies, You're fine.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
But yeah, for the non-black sabbath fan, you know.
So whatever sorry people weregoing, I've got this going up.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
What's the matter with you, maynard?
But uh, you know.
So, yeah, all I can say is goodon Ozzy.
You know he did a fabulous job.
So you started with Bark at theMoon.
When did you go back, and howfar did you go?

(45:25):
Did you go back to Blizzard ofOz, or did you only go back, you
know?

Speaker 2 (45:29):
or one album to either speak of the devil, devil
or a diary of a madman well, atmy age at the time I was kind
of at the whim of my brother'smusical taste, okay, and
whatever he brought home, yeah,and of course he was strapped by
his budget of being a teenagerat the time weren't we all yeah,

(45:49):
and then there was my parents.
We had to, you know, sneakaround them because they were,
you know, they, uh, they hadboth kinds of music in the house
country and western.
You didn't have hard rock, godbless.
You know heavy metal.
But um, I did, when I startedhigh school, go back to blizzard

(46:10):
and diary because somebodyheard that I had just heard bark
okay, forward okay because whenI was in high school, no more
tears had been out or came outafter.
Well, that was when I was in midhigh school.
Um, no rest for the wicked cameout, and I love that album
that's like 90s, isn't it?
That's like it's late, no restit that's like it's late no rest

(46:31):
.
I believe was late eighties, nomore tears was early nineties.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Bark of the moon.
Ultimate sin, Then, then was it?

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Somehow I skipped ultimate sin until way later.
I went way back Then.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
I think, then, I think it was no rest for the for
the wicked right.
It was after that.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
And then was after that, and then was it osmosis
after that, something like thatno rest for the wicked, then no
more tears.
Oh, no more tears was hiscomeback album because it had
perry mason on it, which was abig hit for him at the time
which is a yeah, it's a dynamitesong yeah that's a dynamite
song.
I've got most of his um uh,solo stuff, except for his last,
like two or three albums,didn't didn't, um, didn't Zach

(47:14):
write that one.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
He wrote uh, perry Mason.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
I would have to look at the liner notes, but probably
cause Zach did a.
Zach was really taking thereins at certain points.
Yeah, Um, Zach was.
I mean, if you hear Zach'sinterviews on Ozzy, Ozzy was
like a second father to him,exactly.
I mean they had thatrelationship.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
He called, he called ozzy.
Uh, he didn't call him, hedidn't call him dad.
I think he called him father,father oz or something like that
, and called it sharing moms.
Yes, yes, he did.
Yeah, no, he was very, very no,he was very, very close with
with Osbournes, very, very closewith them and, uh, very
grateful to everything that youknow that you know they they had

(48:03):
given him, uh, I mean, theygave him his shot.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Yeah, they took him out of the clubs playing to 13
people.
I, he said in jersey yeah tostadiums.
Yeah, I mean, you can't ask formore than that when he was jeff
wyland yes, jeff wyland.
Yeah, he was long blondeflowing hair much in that scene,
uh, and then, of course, beefedup into this manhunter looking,

(48:29):
oh my god I mean, if he shavedhis beard he might look pretty.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
He might look a lot like hulk hogan.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Yeah, oh yeah, he could look like he could have
went to the ring at some point.
Exactly, absolutely, and that'sone thing I do want to talk
about ozzy um yeah, his andsharon's knack for finding
talent, beautiful musicians overthe years not, I mean, some

(48:56):
people get lucky to find one.
You're right, ozzy foundprobably a dozen.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Well, let me see.
Well, you know, I I'm not sureif you're aware of this and I
don't know if the, the listenersand the and the and the viewers
at home are aware of this, butDana Strum from Slaughter is the
one who introduced Randy Rhodesto Ozzy Osbourne.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
I heard that interview when he was on one of
the cruises.
Yeah, he talked about it, okay.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Okay, yeah and um, but I mean so he brought Randy
to Ozzie, and and then, afterRandy had had had died, then of
course comes Brad Gillis.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Uh it was, uh, actually it was um Bernie.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Bernie Torme filled in for a few shows and then they
got Brad Gill.
That was like two weeks andthen brad gillis came aboard and
filled that gap, uh until, umuh, jakey lee came into but I
mean, come on, you've got randyrhodes.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
If you want to count brad gillis, we can count brad
gillis, oh yeah, absolutely well, yeah without brad gillis
there's no right night ranger oh, I mean, yeah, of course.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
And then you've got Jakey Lee, then you've got Zach
Zach Wild, then you've got JoeHolmes.
So just phenomenal guitarplayer after phenomenal guitar
player, after phenomenal guitarplayer, and that's five

(50:32):
guitarists, yeah, bassist.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Well, think of this, tony iomi, you have to add a
sixth one in there that's true.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
He did kind of come, come back and do this.
If you read, uh, tony andgeezer's autobiographies.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Yeah, their band earth was dying, they couldn't
keep a singer, they were drawingnobody.
And one of the guys just foundozzy out on the street kind of
smoking a cigarette and he'slike, yeah, man, for a pint I'll
come in and sing and whatever.
And and he just got there andjust ad lib some stuff and

(51:11):
they're like we gotta get thisguy some lyrics, you know and
see what's going to go fromthere and it kind of took off.
Um, but bassist, you know,geezer Butler, bob Daisley, yep,
um.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Sarzo, rudy Sarzo, yeah, uh, um, uh, dang it.
Trujillo, robert Trujillo,that's what I was thinking,
robert.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Trujillo.
He told me now that Ash is asuicidal tendencies Because
that's where Trujillo started,right and Mike Inez.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Yes, mike Inez, and then the drummers Right from
Alice in Chains, and then thedrummers Alice right from Alice
in Chains, and then the drummerstoo, castillo Aldrich.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Tommy.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Aldrich, randy Castillo, yeah, dean Castronovo
from Journey, I don't think he.
I don't know if he recordedanything with Ozzy, but he, he
toured with Ozzy Bill Ward and,of course, honestly, look, the
guy who started it all, leeKerslake.
And Lee Kerslake just was anabsolute phenomenal drummer from

(52:22):
one of my all-time favoritebands, uriah Heep, and it was so
funny that you know, and wewon't make this Uriah Heep, so
I'll just say this we're goingto get right back to Ozzy.
You know, and we won't makethis Uriah Heep, so I'll just
say this we're going to getright back to Ozzy.
But you know, lee was in UriahHeep until 1979-1980 and he left
due to management and joins upwith with Ozzy, him and him and

(52:45):
him and Daisley come in prettymuch at the same time and where
Daisley wrote a lot of thelyrics.
You know, lee also did a lot ofco-writing, but not so much on
the lyric side.
I mean, we all know Daisleywrote everything.
But when both Bob Daisley andLee Kerslake were

(53:07):
unceremoniously dismissed fromthe band, were unceremoniously
dismissed from the band, whatdid they do?
They went back to Uriah Heep.
Well, daisley wasn't going back, but Curse Lake brought Daisley
to Uriah Heep when theyrecorded their album in 82,
abominog, so it was kind offunny that they were the rhythm
section for Uriah Heep afterthat.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
But Daisley continued to write off and on for a
little while longer, for Ozzy aswell.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Yeah, he came back to the banks.
I think he was back forUltimate Sin and on.
I think he was on for a couple.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Geezer was on for no Rest or for no More Tears, I
can't remember which one.
Geezer actually came into theOzzy band for a short time.
Those albums, and then ofcourse Ozzy came back to Sabbath
early 90s and made thehead-scratching deal I give

(54:09):
credit to Sharon, for BlackSabbath could only perform under
that name with Ozzy, yeah,which is what led to Heaven and
Hell with Dio later.
That's right.
I still consider all the oldDio records Heaven and Hell now
Okay, but that's how I keep themapart.

(54:29):
I do the same thing with VanHalen.
I always consider the Roth eraa different band than Hagar and
Sharon.
I just don't give him a fairenough shake.
Even though I love Extreme.
I need to break down and listento Van Halen 3 again someday.
But back to Ozzy.
I mean they got that great deal.
They did Ozfest, like youbrought up earlier, which was a

(54:51):
killer endeavor.
I mean that brought talk aboutnew music that brought so many
fans, so many bands togetherintroduced them to.
I mean I was just looking at my.
I had the.
I have two years of Oz fest onCD, okay, and the name of the
bands that came out of that likeslipknot.

(55:13):
That's where they got theirfirst real exposure um machine
head.
There's a lot of harder thingsum.
They even brought back areturning iron maiden had just
reading they did.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
They did one oz fest, didn't they?
Yeah, the Maiden got fired fromit.
Yeah, that's what I, that'swhat I thought I remembered here
Now did.
Obviously, white zombie wasaround from the late 80s but did
, did Rob zombie Kind of get?
Was he kind Of brought to moreprominence and a wider Audience

(55:49):
through Ausfest?

Speaker 2 (55:52):
No, he was around well before ozfest.
Okay, ntv brought him around,okay, okay, I just wasn't sure
on that I know he did.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
I know he did at least one, maybe two, uh ozfests
.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
So I just wasn't sure , but well, like, like a lot of
people say, he's the king of thefestival.
He honestly is.
Yeah, I mean, you look at, wasit Boardwalk Rock?
They gave him just days toreplace Alice in Chains and
Motley Crue, stepped right inand hadn't even been doing
anything for the longest time.
Another guy that's great atfinding talent, but yeah, zombie

(56:30):
had been around for an album.
Then they came out with LaSixer, sisto Devil Music Volume
1, and hit big on MTV.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Well, I know there was some tension between Rob and
Ozzy and Sharon for a whilebecause they kept stealing his
musicians.
He said something to the effectthat he was tired of being the
farm team for for ozzy's bandexactly.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
And what's hilarious is, rob has no room to speak
because when marilyn mansontoured with white zombie, he
stole john five from marilynmanson and, uh, I want to say
even piggy okay, all right, andwe're gonna get back on.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
We're gonna get back on.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
I'm a train wreck when it comes to white zombie.
I am a zombie fanatic sceneanother episode.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Hold on.
Yeah, I, I think john fivemight have been on his way out
anyway, because him and him andmaryland were fighting on stage.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Oh yeah, come on yeah , so marilyn was so blitzed he
couldn't remember the fightsafterwards it might not.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
It might not have taken much to get john to get
over to rob's side of the youknow side anyway.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
So but he wasn't the only person he took.
He he took I want to say piggyd later on and okay, somebody
else, okay.
Yeah, rob doesn't have a wholelot of room to speak.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
I mean, maybe Blasto might have came Kind of like the
pot calling the kettle black, Iguess.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Oh yeah, but Ozzy I mean him and Sharon were
geniuses at talent, eithergetting somebody to find it or
find it.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Yeah, he always just had tremendous musicians around
him, you know, surrounded bytalent, and not to say that it
was just the talent around himthat made Ozzy what he was,
because you know the thing is hetakes a lot of hits, or had

(58:29):
taken a lot of hits throughouthis career on his voice.
But when you go back to theBlack Sabbath stuff and then you
go back to and I'm not Honestly, look, I'm not familiar with
probably more than half ofOzzy's catalog, okay, and in all

(58:50):
transparency, people I'm, Icould probably name you about 10
, maybe, if I pushed it, 12 Ozzysolo songs, okay, but but I I
know enough to at least kind ofspeak half intelligently on this
and and have a goodconversation with with Shannon,
cause he'll fill in all theblanks, especially on those

(59:12):
early records, and just hisvoice fit what was being written
.
And even though he wasn't alyricist, it's always been said
that he could come up with agood melody.

(59:33):
So he could take the lyrics andhe could twist them into a
really good melody and boom,there you go, and what he did
was phenomenal, into a reallygood melody.
And boom, there you go, andwhat he did was phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
It really, really was what when I read, uh geezer
butler's autobiography last year, he would say pretty much that
same thing.
Ozzy would be humming a tune orcoming up with a melody, right,
tony was the musician, heplayed all the instruments and
he would make the song.
Was the musician, he played allthe instruments and he would

(01:00:02):
make the song.
Geezer did the lyrics and sothey had a, you know, a good
triangle there.
You know, uh to to come up withmusic and it was magical for at
least the first four to fivealbums before you know the, the
drugs and the really went offthe rails really went off.
The rails, I mean, some of thestories are just mind-blowing,
but um, yeah, I mean, and even Iwatched, uh, motley Crue's

(01:00:29):
movie, the dirt, oh, yeah, yeahhave you seen it where they meet
Ozzy on the poolside and he'ssnorting ants because he can't
find nobody has any cocaine.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Well, it's funny.
I heard that story told by Idon't remember who it was in the
band years ago, years ago.
And then I bought the book whenit had come out and each guy's
got his own story of the bandand you read about Ozzy snorting
ants poolside as well, and Ibelieve it was his own story of
the band.
And and you read about ozzysnorting ants poolside as well,

(01:01:01):
you know, and I believe was onthat bark of the moon tour and
um, and then, of course, herecomes the movie, probably gosh.
That probably was five, sixyears after the book was written
oh yeah and and boom.
There it is.
You know front and center.
So there's got to be somethingto it, you know, because ozzy
was known for doing a lot ofcrazy things, ozzy admitted to

(01:01:24):
it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Yeah, he was on a.
Uh, we found the youtube cliplast night we were.
We've been just looking at somenostalgia stuff because of ozzy
had passed in our family.
We've been listening to a lotof everything the aussie sang
yeah um, then we look for clips.
One of them is him on a gameshow.
Um, is it?

(01:01:48):
Jimmy kimmel is hosting a youngman show.
Jimmy kimmel, yeah, okay, he'shosting it, and it's aussie
versus a fan.
You can find it on YouTube andthey're asking questions about
Ozzy's life to see who knowsmore.
Yeah, and it was hilariousbecause the fan was like trying
to beat Ozzy to the buzzer onlike questions like what's your

(01:02:11):
middle name, you know, and stufflike that.
It was hilarious and one of thequestions that Ozzy got right
was what animal did Ozzysupposedly snort back in the 80s
?
And he goes I did ants, I didit, I admit it, finally, I did
it it was just hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Yeah, you know there was a morning show here on the
local rock station for 25 years.
Mark and brian and they hadozzy on a few times, uh, during
the time when ozzy lived in laand um he was also the no, it
was actually before.

(01:02:51):
It was before the uh, thereality show this was like show
either.
This was like early.
I never saw it either, but thiswas like early to mid-90s when
they had him on, because Iremember one time they had him
on promoting the Osmosis record.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
That was his family man period.
They called it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
That was like 93, something like that, 93, 94,
somewhere around there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
And then they had pictures of him holding Little
Jack on stage during his lastperformance for the no More
Tears.
Yeah, they had a bunch of himhosting holding little Jack on
stage during his lastperformance for the no more
tears.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Yeah, they were very so.
They had him on a couple oftimes and he was always a kick
in the pants because you know,and everybody knows, when Ozzie
spoke, you know he would stuttera lot and that kind of stuff.
But but I remember, I rememberwhen he I think it might've been
the first time he came in thestudio and you could hear on the

(01:03:42):
microphone him walking in thestudio sitting getting ready to
sit down on the microphone, butthe headphones on all the
jewelry that he's wearing it'sjust making all kinds of noise
and they were talking about thecologne that he was wearing and
how strong it was.
And you know, and he was, youknow, and uh, he was.
You know, he was veryinteresting, it was.
It was interesting to hear himin in an interview, be so

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different than everybody'sperception of of him based on,
you know, the persona that hecreated performing on stage.
You know his years in blackSabbath, you know his years,
obviously, as a solo artist, youknow, and he's dubbed the
Prince of darkness and all thiskind of stuff.
And just to hear him in aninterview, totally, totally

(01:04:30):
different, oh yeah, and it justit.
It really made him much morehuman and much more of like,
just like a regular guy.
And uh, I do remember in one ofthe interviews uh, this was
after Ozzy had gotten sober andyou know it's no secret.

(01:04:51):
I mean, ozzy tried just aboutevery drug if not every drug
known to man combined withalcohol, if not every drug known
to man combined with alcohol.
So he was talking about gettingsober and I remember the guys
asked him well, what was thehardest drug to give up?
And he said the hardest thingever to give up was tobacco.

(01:05:16):
Was smoking, he's just said tocigarettes was the hardest thing
ever to quit.
Forget about all the drugs andalcohol, it was, it was, it was
the cigarettes.
I just was like whoa, I wasblown away with that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
I think geezer may have said the same thing in his
book, cause he had a lot ofexcesses and he said drink and
cigarettes, I think, was thehardest thing for him yeah, but
uh, you know, um, ozzy was, uh,he was one of a kind and I'll
tell you I, you know, after wetalked earlier in the week about
doing this together.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
And look, shannon, I can't thank you enough for doing
this.
Oh man, I forgot I had a bannerright here.
What a dummy I am.
I think that's the right one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
There it is did I get it right, I can't read it from
here.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Yeah, 48 to 20, finally where we're, where we're
getting closer to the end ofthe show.
I put the banner up but, um, I,uh, I was trying to bone up a
little bit on on ozzy and I'venever, ever, listened to all of
Blizzard of Oz and I've neverlistened to all of diary.
Okay, um, I've never listenedto a complete Ozzy album, let's

(01:06:26):
put it that way.
And, uh, I'm, I'm, honestly,I'm really interested in going
to hear, going to listen tospeak of the devil.
Okay, because I hear that's areally, really cool recording
because it's Ozzy just playingall the Sabbath stuff and, of

(01:06:46):
course, he's doing it with thesolo band.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
So, I'm really interested in that.
There's stories behind that aswell, if you hear and if you
believe.
What you hear but that was athis lowest point was speak of
the devil after after randy hadpassed randy had passed and his
excesses had gotten so badbecause of such things.

(01:07:09):
Um, I always wondered if that'swhy brad gillis had left.
But then when you hear bradgillis interview, he's like no,
I had my own band, yes, takingoff, so that's why I stepped out
.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
Yeah that's exactly right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Yeah, the stories from that I've heard from
interviews was during speak ofthe devil.
They had to give Ozzy lyricsheets and sometimes feed him
his lines and do takes for daysjust because he was struggling
so much with depression and within his excesses.
Um, but he turned out a goodalbum.

(01:07:44):
I mean it wasn't bad I.
I also like the randy rhodestribute album.
It's a.
It's a raw live recording okayum of, uh, one of randy's few
shows that he did with ozzy.
Know they only did the twotours.
Well, four and a half if youreally want to count that.
But if you ever want to sitdown and listen to an album, I

(01:08:10):
could see you doing no MoreTears, Okay, Just because it's
got.
I mean, you're familiar withMama.
I'm Coming Home.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
Oh, and I was going to talk about that one.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
So yeah, I am familiar, go ahead yeah, the,
the let me kill mr song, theaussie song.
Yeah, um, and I mean it's radiofriendly, it's got some hard
rock in it, it's, uh, moremelodic, but it's still aussie.
I mean, at the time I waslistening to it going.
Man, I guess he is reallyhanging it up because he's

(01:08:43):
dialed it back a notch.
He's went from being over thetop to, you know, not phoning it
in, but just kind of, you know,playing his heart out.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
You know, and that's a great segue, because there's a
guy here locally who does like.
He does stuff on Instagram andhe does stuff.
He does live shows where he'llhis name's Christian Hand.
So I'm going to give him credit.
He's a musician but he takessongs and he breaks them down

(01:09:20):
track by track and he'll italways.
He always starts with therhythm section.
He'll start with the drum trackfirst and he's going to play
the drum track and show you whatthe what the drum beat was and
how it sounded.
Then he's going to mix in thebaseline or play the baseline,
then play the two combined andthen bring in the guitar.
So on and so on and so on.
And he came on Wednesday to amorning show that I listened to

(01:09:48):
and broke down Mama, I'm ComingHome and he broke it down one
track at a time and listening toanything, I've heard him do a
bunch of stuff in the past andit it makes you listen to music
completely different once you'veheard a song, track by track by

(01:10:13):
track you know and, um man,what an act.
I mean just the layer there's.
There's like two, two differentlayers of guitar, maybe three
different layers of guitar onthat song, and zach just kills

(01:10:34):
it, knocks it out, you don't it?
Just.
And for somebody who is is notas familiar with the song, I
mean, yes, of course I've heardit, probably, you know, a
thousand times, but but notreally just sat down and just
like listened to it.
Um, but, but to hear thedifferent guitar tracks on it,

(01:10:55):
from the acoustic guitar to notonly the electric guitar, but
then there's the crunchyelectric guitar with the
distortion on it and all thiskind of thing, and then have it
all be put together and theacoustic, the acoustic track on
that is just it's gorgeous.
It's gorgeous, that song, andand I think Bob Daisley was back

(01:11:16):
in the band at that time too, Ithink so and his bass line on
that, when you hear it by itself, I'd have to hear the whole
song together to hear if thebass is up or if it's buried a
little bit in the mix, but tohear the bass line alone, oh,
it's tremendous, it's tremendous.

(01:11:37):
That is really one terrificsong.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
It really, really is.
I loved it when it came out.
It was a big departure from noRest for the Wicked, which was a
lot rawer.
I guess you could say but Zach,really I don't know if he had a
mentor or if he just reallyprogressed that much or what,

(01:12:01):
but he he did, he wailed on that.
No more tears.
There's the radio edit and thenthere's the long form.
Okay, I refuse to listen to theradio edit anymore because it's
just.
It cuts out his guitar solo.
Oh, really.
He wails yeah, it's.
He wails yeah, um, it's alsogot a breakdown, um.

(01:12:22):
I think there's a record playerin the background.
A little bit, maybe somethinglike that that could have been
cut, but it's a really good song, Um, just a lot of good music
on that album, it is.
It is one of my favorites.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Not my favorite Aussie track.
I almost put together a top 20for this one.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
I was wondering if you would do that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
I don't think I can fit it in in the time.
We'd be here for another houror so.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
Just listen to me blather on about, we can do top
20 Ozzy's later on too, if weneed to.
That's no big deal, it's allgood.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
There's just so many good songs and he we haven't
even touched on his duet withlita oh yeah, with lita ford
yeah, yep, the first day I wentand bought I got a cd player.
I saved up for a boom box with acd player in it.
I went and got three cds.

(01:13:19):
The first cd I bought waskisses revenge okay, just came
out that day, I believe.
Yep, uh, tesla's five-manacoustic band okay, good,
five-minute acoustic jam, yeah,yeah.
And lita ford's lita album.
Those are my first three cds.
I picked up lita's because Iknew closed my eyes forever from

(01:13:43):
mtv and it was in the, thelittle notch rack.
It hadn't sold very well and itwas like, okay, four or five
bucks or something gotcha.
But I enjoyed the hell out ofit.
I was kind of disappointed itdidn't get be played it back to
the beginning.
But I understand there waspolitics involved in that one.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
But yeah, there, probably there might have been.
I mean there's been a lot ofpeople.
It's a long black list, youknow when it comes to the
Osborne camp.
But you know some, some bridgeshave been mended and some
haven't, and you never know, butyou know.
But yeah, that was a first off,that was a huge song period.
It, it, it, it, it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
It made Ozzy that couples with first opt-in hit
but it kind of made him moremainstream too.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
And and and and even more, radio friendly.
I mean, it was a huge MTV hit.
So it was a huge song for uhright, you're and you're right,
it was a top 10 hit and it was ahuge song for lita, you know
but, uh, and I'm, I'm, I'mcertain it was her biggest.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Oh yeah, yeah, um but maybe kiss me deadly, but have
to be her top two.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Yeah, yeah yeah, but, um, you know, I, I like I said,
I've been listening to.
I listened to a blizzard of ozand um, I listened to a little
bit of I didn't get all the waythrough diary yet, just because
I ran out of time but butlistening to randy rhodes and,

(01:15:21):
just like I said, not being amusician but but knowing what
his background was and then andthen being more of um, you know,
being older and knowing whatI'm trying to listen for and
listen to and that kind of stuff, uh, being a little more
educated than I was, you know,years, years ago.

(01:15:43):
You can really hear Randy'sclassical training and his, his
and his influence and stuff andand where I mean there's,
there's a couple of things on umand I couldn't tell you off the
top of my head, but but justwhether it's in a guitar solo or
it's just in a riff that he'splaying, where it's like this is

(01:16:05):
almost like listening toBeethoven or Bach or something
on guitar.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Oh yeah, well, a lot of heavy metals actually comes
from classical.
When you go back to the rootsand look at it and read up on it
uh, mr crowley, the song couldhave been instrumental, but you
had to have ozzy in therebecause it was him.
Um, and, and randy killed thatsong, and it did.

(01:16:33):
It had a lot of uh, bells andwhistles, you could say as well.
But yeah, randy was fantastic.
I actually listened to his QuietRiot stuff oh really yeah,
before he came to Ozzy QuietRiot brought a like an album
that was pre-Metal Health ohyeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Released only in Japan, I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Yeah, but it came on to streaming here so I was able
to get it and then find a copyof it as well, and you heard it
there.
So I guess I could understandwhy Quiet Riot didn't take off,
because they didn't have Ozzy.
You know they have that shockfactor.
Yeah, you know they have thatshock factor.

(01:17:21):
Yeah, you know, we haven't eventouched on ozzy biting the head
off a bat on stage.
The the pitchers with doves, thethe the pissing on the alamo
where he got 30 years um,causing riots accidentally as
stage by clapping his hands andscreaming come on and people

(01:17:41):
running on stage thinking thathe was welcoming them.
I mean, he got his ribs brokenin a stampede on the no More
Tours.
Okay, because of that, on stageA guy, supposedly bear, hugged
him so hard that he cracked arib and Ozzy had to finish the
tour taped up and was stillsupposedly so medicated.

(01:18:03):
We'll say that he was able tofinish it out.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
yeah, yeah, yeah, he was a soldier even back then you
know there's uh, well, okay,well, look, we're gonna, we're
gonna bring it on home now we'llwrap it up.
But you know, we really haven'teven touched on the black
Sabbath years with Ozzy, youknow.
So I mean that that's a, that,I mean that's a whole episode in

(01:18:28):
itself, right there.
I mean, we've just talked aboutOzzy, the man which is, you
know, just phenomenalpersonality for not phenomenal
performer, um and uh, you knowjust, uh, um an, an icon in the
hard rock community, you know,or heavy music community, heavy
metal community, whatever youwant to call it, you know, all

(01:18:48):
that encompassed in into one.
But um and um, you know, it'swe're, we're here to pay tribute
and say thank you to Ozzy forall all of his, uh, all his
contributions to music and, um,you know, maybe we will, maybe
we'll save those Ozzy years foranother time and and just cover

(01:19:10):
that too.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
We'll have to um, I might have to have my one or two
of my kids come on for a cameo,because then they can.
Then we can talk about what wetalked about on the phone the
other day about the uh blackSabbath and Aussie lullabies I
had for them.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah .
Oh, I'd love to look, I alreadylook, I already saw the dog
peeking, peeking into the, intothe camera there.
So look, that's all good stuff,man.
You bring the whole family andI don't care, it's all good man.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
Here's.
Here's a free trailer for that.
My children yeah.
Both have um Siri, not Siri uhAlexa as alarm clocks.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
They're, they're, uh, alarm clock.
Music is crazy.
Trained to wake welcome upevery morning for school.
So every morning they they hearall aboard and you know the
whole, the whole intro and themusic.
Sometimes I walk into the roomand they're still sleeping and
the song's over and going on tosomething else.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
But um, that's what they wake up to every day is is
ozzy crazy train and it'samazing that song not to go off
on another tangent, that songobviously very uh, was not like
a big old hit song whenever itfirst came out.
Um, it was.
You know, ozzy probably didn'thave a real hit song until maybe

(01:20:31):
even uh, um, what do you callit?
Um, maybe no more tears orsomething like that you know
later on.
But but crazy train, crazytrains, his biggest song, gonna
have most download, probably abillion downloads or something
like that, but the biggest song,but primarily it.

(01:20:51):
It really came to to toprominence and gained so much
traction through through,through, uh, uh, all these
sports teams you know playing it, you know football games or
play guys, it was their walkupsong with a they're walking up
to a home plate or somethinglike that, you know, and, uh,
it's just, I mean it's, it'ssynonymous with sports.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
It's synonymous with, certainly with Ozzy, and it's
just, it's it.
That song in itself is likepart of pop culture.
It's, it's had a big, the songalone's had a big impact in my
life.
I mean, I've went to my localsports team is the Indianapolis
Colts.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
And every time a team takes possession they play the
beginning of crazy train Train.
Like I said, my kids listen toit on the alarms when they wake
up.
My wife danced with it with herbridesmaids at our wedding.
Oh no, she didn't.
She did.
We actually chased people outof our wedding.

(01:21:53):
That's a story for another time.
With our music preferences atthe time, it's just hilarious.
I mean, and if you break wecould.
We could use an episode just tobreak down the lyrics, because I
don't know if ozzy even knewsome of the stuff he was singing
about.
One of the reasons the song wasnot accepted very well was
because it was political andduring the early re years, you

(01:22:18):
know, we were trying to get awayfrom some of the stuff he
talked about.
But again, that's for anotherday.
But it was.
It's a great song, it's what heI'm.
I don't know if that's what heended back to the beginning with
or not.
I just saw mama, I'm cominghome.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
I think he finished the solo set with mama.
I'm coming home yeah, that'swhat I hear, because they had
people crying in the audienceand everything.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
It was touching.
But I've seen a few differentversions of it, mostly fan
footage, which was horrendous.
But I saw one cleaned up video.
I don't know if it was snuckout from the stream or what it
was, but it was nice and cleanedup and crisp and it had a lot
of good crowd shots of peoplecrying and singing along with

(01:23:05):
them and it was a wonderful sendoff.
Yeah, another small tangent.
I'll make this quick.
I meant to mention it when wewere talking about the, the
artists that he's brought inover the years.
Yeah, since his passing, theartists that he didn't bring

(01:23:25):
into the fold have been postingon social media the rejection
letters from ozzy and sharon.
Wow, it's actually there's likeseven or eight of them I've
seen and it's people who weretrying to come out at the time
or they were like you know, hey,I'm in this band, or they're.
They'd be like you know, hey, Igot this call from somebody who

(01:23:46):
said can you be in New York orwherever tomorrow to play for
Ozzie?
I'd come in and play.
A week later or two weeks laterI'd get this letter in the mail
and they showed the letterssigned by Ozzie and Sharon.
Later I'd get this letter inthe mail and they showed the
letters signed by ozzy andsharon.
Um, I think she was stillsigning as arden because of the
manager's license or somethingat the time.
Okay, um, you know, we decidedto go another way.

(01:24:08):
We really loved your packageyou sent in.
Uh, you're a brilliant,beautiful player.
Please let us know what you doin the future.
We hope to do something withyou in the future.
Very professionally written,even if they were not form
letters, because I've not seenthe same one twice.
Right, right, somebody at leastput some thought into it.

(01:24:29):
Whether ozzy ever signed hisname to it or not, I have no
idea.
But the respect from theartists pouring out who went on
to do things, that's great,that's great.
I said hey, and some of thosepeople, I think, showed up at
back to the beginning and andplayed.
They're like.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
You know, I hadn't oh , like maybe in the super group
or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Yeah, yeah they said you know, I tried out one time
and you know I got thisrejection letter and at the time
I was like I'm crushed.
But you know, at the same time,hey, ozzy, he at least
pretended to like my stuff, youknow.
So I've got something going onthere.
Yeah, the tributes have beenpouring out.
I've seen everything from ladygaga doing a crazy train at the

(01:25:10):
end of one of her shows thisweek.
Yeah, um, uh, not weird al, butuh weird al's opening act,
piddles Pity Party.
He was on America's Got Talentseveral years ago.
He's a clown that doesclassical music.
He did a classical breakdownversion of Crazy Train and, of

(01:25:32):
course, the artists that arerock that just continue.
I think Judas Priest did one atHellfest.
Yeah, I think so I think you'reright.

Speaker 1 (01:25:43):
I think you're right.
And look, the tributes aregoing to continue to pour in for
a little bit and whether it'sfrom other bands or artists or
guys like you and me, thetributes are going to keep
pouring in for for a while now.
And that just goes to to, tospeak of the um, the impact that

(01:26:06):
that ozzy had on the uh, on themusic industry, and especially
the, you know, the hard rock andheavy metal uh side of it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
So, um, we haven't even got into one of the biggest
, biggest problems, not problems, sorry, no, we didn't.
We didn't talk about the prmcor the pmrc always say pmr, pmrc
, yeah no we decided solution orany of that stuff.
I mean, he was part of that,even though he didn't testify in
front of congress.
He was on the the nasty his no,his records were getting

(01:26:38):
labeling also, so yeah, we haveuh parental advisory stickers to
, to sort of thank ozzy for, anda lot of artists with their
record sales.
Oh yeah, he put an infusion inthere as well.
Yeah, sorry, I'll cut off nowbecause that's.
I could go on forever aboutthis, no, but, but.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
But see, that's the great thing is that there's so
much and unfortunately we don'thave enough time to get through
this and besides, people startdropping off after a little bit
too.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
This is going to sound terrible, but I went to my
local record store, karma, herein Indianapolis on Washington
street.
I told him I would say theirname on here because of just
cause I want to promote localrecord store.
I love it, I love it.
I now regret not buying thethree Aussie bobbleheads they

(01:27:37):
had on the state on the store.
Oh no, they had three likeFunko pops bopple bobbleheads.
They had on the store shop.
Oh no, they had three FunkoPops bobbleheads.
They had a Blizzard of Oz.
They had a Diary of a Madmanit's whichever one.
He's holding the cross.
I think it's Diary that one'sBlizzard, the other one he's on
the ground.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
Yeah, but doesn't he have a cross on Blizzard?

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Maybe One of them he's on the ground?
Yeah, but then you have a crosson them on blizzard.
Maybe one of them he's standingup looking crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
I think that's I want to say that's diary yeah
diaries where he's looking, andthe other one he's crawling yeah
, there's the one with himholding the cross, looking crazy
with the makeup.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
There is um ozzy with his john lennon glasses.
I called him with his little,uh, prince of darkness cane.
And then there's one on himwith him on a throne of, like
the, the big bat in thebackground.
I actually was going to try todo it before the podcast, but I

(01:28:29):
have a 3d printer.
I was going to print a bust ofOzzie because on all the 3d
printing websites people haveput up hundreds, if not
thousands of bust.
Uh, they've done the remakes ofthe funko pop.
There's one that I downloaded.
That's just him looking sort oflike john lennon, because he
always quoted, or he was quotedas saying I want to be the fifth

(01:28:53):
beatles why I got into music.

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
The beatles were a huge influence on him.
Yes, Huge influence on him.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
That's another five-hour episode right there.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
Yeah, maybe that's why he went to those John
Lennon-style sunglasses, youknow, because he became very
synonymous with that look.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
He even covered a John Lennon song on his much
maligned cover song on his muchmaligned cover song called or he
did.
It was called Undercovers, buthe did Working Class Hero.

Speaker 1 (01:29:25):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
By John Lennon.
But yeah, he definitely adoredthe Beatles.
He always said that the Stoneswere fine, but John Lennon was
what got him going.
Yeah, and even the solo stuff.
So yeah, we, we, we can coverthat when we touch on Black
Sabbath years Cause we'll nowthat you've got my juices

(01:29:47):
flowing, we've got to do thatthere we go.
Maybe I'll even throw up a top20 or something, or we can talk
about top 20.
I know you're not as wellversed, but maybe between
Sabbath and Ozzy you could throwtogether a top five.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
I can contribute something here.
Come on, hey, it's your show.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
We'll let you do what you want.
I'm just the talking head here,rambling on for an hour and a
half.

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
Like I said, you're the one that's going to fill in
all the gaps.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
You're the eye candy.
I'm just the useless knowledgethat pours out.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
I'm just the useless knowledge that pours out, please
, and you've done a tremendousjob of filling those gaps too.
Look, yeah, we could just keepgoing on, but let's cut it right
here.
Let everyone go.
Stick with me for a second,listen.
If you've enjoyed this, thenyou'll have to come around

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