EP. 98 LEIGH BROWN...."First You Learn, Then You Earn, Then You Return"

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
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Yep, right here to my left ismy guest today, and that would
be the fabulous Lee Brown.
She is the founder of PatriotRelief Fund that's
patriotrelieffundcom, and she'sgot a great story and I asked

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her to come on and tell us allabout it.
So, lee, thank you so much fordoing this.
I greatly appreciate you takingtime out of your day for this.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Oh, it's my pleasure, ben.
Thank you for having me on, andI'm very excited to have a
conversation.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
All right.
Well, that's what this show isall about.
It's just about people tellingtheir stories and and us talking
a little bit.
Let me make an adjustment herereally fast and see if I'm going
the wrong direction.
There we go.
I want to put myself in themiddle of this picture.
So before we dive into it, justa little background for all of

(02:28):
you out there.
The way Lee and I kind ofbecame connected is we're both
listeners of a morning programon Sirius XM Patriot Channel.
It's the Breitbart News DailyShow with Mike Slater, and it
was, I don't know, maybe threeweeks ago on a Monday morning.

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The very first segment of theprogram Mike calls the gratitude
segment.
He just wants people to come inand just say what they're
grateful for, and it doesn'thave to be anything big.
You could say you're gratefulfor mustard, and it doesn't have
to be anything big.
You could say you're gratefulfor mustard, okay, whatever it
is, it doesn't matter.
But we all have to be gratefulfor something and as Slater says

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and you know this, gratitude isthe father of all virtues.
So anyway, this was right afterthe 4th of July I think it was
Monday the 7th, and this wasafter the floods in Texas and a
listener, clint, called, andhe's a volunteer firefighter,

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and he said him and 15 of hisbuddies were getting together
and they were going to make thetwo-hour drive down to Kerrville
and they were going to help outwherever they could, whatever
it is that was needed out ofthem, that's, and they were
going to help out wherever theycould.
Whatever it is that was neededout of them, that's what they
were going to do, and howeverlong it was going to take, and
they were all going to bunk athis friend's house in the area.
So if you can imagine 15 guyssleeping all over your house

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unless you own a mansion, it'sgoing to be quite crowded.
So after that, the next callwas this fabulous lady right
here next to me and Lee, justlet's, let's start from there,
take it away, okay, please.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Well, it was funny because I was.
I'm in North Carolina and I wasriding down the road on the way
to a meeting at one of ourcounty long-term recovery groups
where we're continually workingslowly through the rebuild
process of Hurricane Helene,which happened on September 27th
of 24.
And while I'm riding down theroad and listening to Clint, and

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he and Mike are talking aboutthe Coast Guard guy that many
people have heard of now I thinkhis name is Scott who
personally saved 150 people,some young kid, and he just got
his helicopter and he's grabbingpeople and getting them out,
just reacting so quickly.
And it just was a flood ofemotions because North Carolina

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went through so similar of ascenario in September and so it
was the volunteers who hadswooped into North Carolina
because it was a disconnect tothe Red Cross Cause they said
the roads were too difficult andthe state government didn't
return phone calls and then FEMAwas putting up roadblocks.

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It was just crazy.
But the American people saidyou know what?
We'll just do it ourselves.
And I'm listening to Clint andhe's that guy.
We're just, we're know what,we'll just do it ourselves.
And I'm listening to Clint andhe's that guy.
We're just, we're just going tocome in and do it ourselves,
got my buddies, we're coming in,that guy, scott, who flew his
helicopter, we'll just get itdone.
So I'm listening to this, I'mfeeling all emotional because
I'm on my way to a long-termrecovery meeting and I called in

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and the gatekeeper, you know,when you call into these shows,
they ask you who you are and whyyou're calling, because they
have to screen out if you're anut bag or if they really should
.
And they let me write through,which was kind of shocking,
because two seconds later I'm onI-40 and I'm talking to Mike.
I'm like, oh, I didn't expectthis and we just started

(06:03):
chatting and it frankly took therest of the segment, which I
was very surprised by.
But you know, it's just anopportunity to say from our
perspective, what had happenedin North Carolina gave us some
feedback for the people in Texas.
And how do you specificallypray for people and what is
needed, and how do you helpspecifically pray for people and

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what is needed and how do youhelp?
Because the American peoplereally are givers.
We love taking care of ourneighbors, but the desire
doesn't always come with aninstruction manual and that's
what has to get recreated overand over.
So it was just a wonderfulconversation.
And then I hung up the phone andthen I'm listening to some
fellow from Canada call in andhe's saying, oh, I need to do
something else.
And then donations start comingin to me.

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So we actually turned aroundand wrote a check for all those
donations for forty five hundreddollars back to the Community
Foundation in Kerrville, texas,because I know that I could have
used those funds in NorthCarolina.
But we were talking about Texasand so obviously the right
thing to do is take thosedollars and put them into the
most grassroots place I couldfind we did that.

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I haven't even had a chance totell Mike that.
So, if he happens to bewatching this episode, I did
send him back an email becausehe himself made a gift and I
know that people give privatelyand he obviously gives privately
.
But his listeners responded andso it gave us a chance to help
somebody else, which is all anyof us want, ben.

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I mean, it's the reason peopleget frustrated with the Red
Cross or with the United Way.
They started small, they dosome really good things, but a
lot of the donations that comein are wasted on overhead and
salaries and marketing and theAmerican people understand that
there's expenses to anorganization, but we all have
our limits and we don't like itwhen our money is in a pocket

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instead of in a hand.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
You know I'm going to .
Yes, and it's exactly what yousaid.
And and there was somethingelse that you had said during
that call to Mike.
You had said, and you were, youwere speaking to the audience
and you had said, if you guyscan give, give as locally as
possible.
And I I kind of understood, socorrect me if I am wrong, that

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you know for me.
If I wanted to, if I wanted togive to the, if I wanted to give
to the America Red Cross, togive to the america red cross
here in southern california, andsay, oh, I want my money to go
to curville, then you know,let's say, I donate 100 bucks,
well, probably, you know, 15bucks is going to make it to
curville and the rest of it'sgoing to get eaten up in
expenses or this guy's salary orthat guy's salary, that kind of

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stuff.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
So that's the thing.
It it's like your dollars canbe restricted.
That's restricted giving.
You're giving it to a specificpurpose.
The dollars that are donatedfor that purpose out of that
bucket do go there, but theyhave the opportunity as an
organization to use the otherdollars to support the program.
It's called program expensesand most people don't pay

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attention to this.
In fact, yesterday I was.
We just got back from vacation,which is why I have no makeup
on my hair's not fixed.
But we were at the NorthCarolina Aquarium because my son
loves zoos and aquariums and weall we're a bunch of nerds as
family.
So we're in the line at thegift shop.
And she asked if we wanted toround up from our purchase of
books.

(09:24):
We buy books in gift shops.
If anybody wants to know ifyou're a nerd, if you buy books
in a gift shop, then you're mypeople.
She asked if you want to roundup.
I said who are we rounding upto?
And she said for conservation.
I said who's getting thedollars?
And this young lady looked at meand she said the dollars you
used right here in the aquariumto take care of our animals.
And I said then, round up,sister.

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And she said I'm so glad youasked.
Most don't ask, but she wassuch a just a cute young girl,
probably like 20 years old, andshe said that when she started
working there she had asked thatvery question where do the
dollars go?
And everyone who watches andlistens to this.
I mean, if you're at thegrocery store and they say, do
you want to give to the foodpantry, I ask them well, what

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food pantry are we talking about?
Are you giving this to some bigdistribution center or just
going to the local church thathas a blessing box?
I mean, your dollars can reallyhave massive impact if they are
not diluted by organizations.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
See, that's a great thing to tell the audience,
that's a great thing to know,that's knowledge that most
people don't have and they don'trealize that giving to one
organization or another and theysay, oh well, we're helping out
.
Yeah, they might be, but thenumber of dollars that go to a

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particular situation are solimited because everyone else is
getting their cut.
And I'll say this, and I'mgoing to kind of take a tangent
and I apologize, but you know,we, we had a, you know,
obviously, early in the year, inJanuary, we had some
devastating fires in SouthernCalifornia area, wiped out an
entire community of PacificPalisades, wiped out a community

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in Altadena I can't evenremember how many homes were
destroyed, you know and and theespecially the Pacific Palisades
area, that was like the realuppity area of of the coastal
community.
So there were a couple ofconcerts, or they were held on

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the same night.
Fire aid, fire aid.
And now word is coming out, word, the money.
Apparently they raised $200million.
Okay, now, $200 million, yes,it's a lot of money, but for
that area it's certainly notgoing to cover everyone's
expenses.
Everyone's not going to gettheir home back.
But that $200 million, if youtook it straight and said here

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it goes to you people and divvyit up, whatever.
That could do a lot of good forall those people.
And people are starting to say,okay, where'd the money go?
Oh, this organization here.
They applied for some of thefunds and they actually have
absolutely nothing to do withanything in having to do with

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the fire or recovery or reliefor anything like that.
So there's a lot of stuff goingon right now in regards to that
.
So when you say, give aslocally as you can, that to me,
when you said that, I was like,okay, that's what she's saying
and that's what that means, andthat's exactly what I'm going to
be doing, moving forward in anytype of charity situation that

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I find myself and I want to knowwhere's this money going?

Speaker 2 (12:38):
I mean you can call a friend that's in an affected
area.
So when I was trying to figureout where to take these donated
dollars from Mike Slater'slisteners to send them to Texas,
I called a real estate friendof mine in the area and I said
where is this going to have thegreatest impact with the least
amount of dilution?
He had a favorite, but hecalled his congressman, chip Roy

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, and said Chip, confirm for mewhere you're seeing the impact
happen, because ourcongressional people know a lot
of things, because they havestaff all over the ground.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
OK.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
So the two of them gave me the same foundation and
that was for me an easy yes.
And then I of course went totheir website and I'm looking
for their 990.
And so if you're again in thenerd herd, you look for an
organization's 990.
That's where they publiclydisclose what happens to their
dollars.
And if you see somebody where70% of the dollars are going

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towards the mission, they've gotbloat.
And if you've got anorganization where 95% of the
dollars go to the program,you've got a super duper winner
there.
That's a very skinnyorganization.
I'm always looking for skinnyorganizations and these are
things that we can do.
In fact, I don't know how manyof your listeners or viewers, or
you if you've followed the DataRepublican on Twitter.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
No.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
She's Republican with a small R, not a big R, because
she's not a partisan hack.
It's just kind of funny becauseeverything turns into a silo
trench warfare anymore.
But she built this website andit's at datarepublicancom.
You and Catherine and any ofyour friends are going to go
down that rabbit hole tonightand you are going to sit there
and look at every organization,because you can look up a

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charity and you can see whotheir officers are.
You can look up anon-government organization the
NGOs and you can see who donatesto.
How much taxpayer dollar goesto these groups versus privately
donated dollars.
It is a wild ride and you canfigure out very quickly who is
legitimate and who is a frontfor gathering money, like the

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grant that was given after theSouthern California Flyers to
somebody who had no intention ofspending it in Southern
California.
You can go look thatorganization up.
And then we have to startthinking about how transparency
is a solution to all this.
If we want our dollars that wedonate from the goodness of our
hearts and because we care aboutour neighbors, to do good
things, we have an obligation todo the research and then an

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obligation to figure out who isbeing shifty and expose it.
And so, like the concerts, oneof the top questions I must get
on my social accounts has to dowith the concert for the
carolinas, which happened acouple of weeks after helene.
Similar scenario of all the waysmaller dollars because we
don't have all the hollywoodcelebrities and the big giant
money.

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Of course.
Course the Palisades, theirfriends, are all wealthy,
sending in big dollars.
But it raised about $24 million.
And the question that comes tome is well, where did it go?
And I get to say I don't know.
I keep asking and they'll listoff a couple of organizations
that got a chunk of it, but oneof those organizations has
received over $500 million indonations and they can't spend

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it fast enough.
And when I've reached out tothem, and so have some of the
other small groups like, can yougive us a grant?
We will give you all thereceipts and we will send it for
you.
We have different purposes, wedon't have the same restrictions
.
Let us push the rebuild forward, but it doesn't fit their
guidelines.
And then you start realizing anorganization might do great

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things, but if they're coveredup in guidelines and
restrictions, you're the personwho made the gift.
You want your dollars to go towork and not sit in a bank
account.
So yeah, exactly.
It's a second job that I didn'texpect to have until Helene hit.
Now I've learned all thesethings about how nonprofits
operate and I've had theblinders come off about some of
the organizations that Irespected for years.

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And it is what it is.
You learn it, you do things,you keep moving and then you
just get better and stronger.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
And then you tell your friends and say look, ask
questions, Lee, can you?
Okay?
Did you say it was the DailyRepublican?

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Data Republican D-A-T-A.
Republican dot com.
And she's actually on Twitter orwhatever X, whatever she called
it.
X because Elon gave us freespeech back, but her handle is
Data Republican and she's deafand of course, the people who
were getting their organizationsexposed were doxing her and she

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had to have security come in.
But my favorite is that DataRepublican's mom has an account
now and her mom crops up all thetime, which is my favorite
thing ever.
Like I love this so much.
She's doing all the work ofliterally just building a
program that exposes informationthat the people can then take,
absorb and do something with.
That is the beauty of what thefreedom of speech is, and she's

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not telling you what to think.
She's giving you information soyou can form an opinion, but
her mama is there and I love itso much.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
You know I going back to Texas and and OK and OK.
There's a couple of reasons Imean before I, before I, sorry.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
I can grab a whole all day.
We'll squirrel everywhere.
It's a couple of reasons I meanbefore I move on.
Sorry, I could grab a hole allday.
We'll squirrel everywhere.
It's a terrible-.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Don't even.
I'm moving constantly.
I'm moving my microphone backand forth, I'm all over the
place.
So you do whatever you need todo.
You can bounce up and down ifyou want, it's fine.
But I mean I wanted to have youon not only because of your
inspirational stories.
I mean, just look, the tearsare streaming down my face as

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you were talking, and theyweren't sad tears, they were
tears of joy and, and, like Isaid, an inspiration, and I
could feel just like.
I could feel you just likecoming out of the radio, you
know.
And so it was.
It was great, but I wanted, um,wanted, knowing what it is that
you do.

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I wanted to make sure that thesituation that happened with
Hurricane Helene last and yousaid it was September 27th that
happened last year, that wedon't forget about it, that we
remember and that there arestill people that need help.
And so I have a friend she's apast guest on the podcast and

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we've become good buddies too,and she lives in Texas.
She's not near Kerrville, she'sactually closer to Austin, but
I called her and weunfortunately we haven't been
able to just kind of sync up ourschedules here so I could get
her on, because I said here'swhat I need you to do.
I need you to find me the mostlocal organization where people

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can donate to.
Okay, I want you to find theclosest thing to Kerrville.
That's taken, donations, okay,and and then.
And then we're going to talkabout that because I want this?
Because none of you don't hearanything on the news about those
poor people in Texas anymore.
You don't hear any news aboutthose poor people in North
Carolina, tennessee, and thatwhole, that whole Appalachian

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region.
Okay, you don't hear anythingabout it anymore.
It's okay, it's a tragedy forfour or five, six days, maybe a
week, and then that's it.
And even, really even thesituation here in Southern
California with fires it went onmaybe a little bit longer,
because here it was more local,but you don't hear a lot about
it anymore.
Are you kidding me?
And there's still people thataren't even in their homes,

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there's still people, I mean,they haven't even cleared their
lots yet.
So so I, so I wanted to keepthis thing is look like.
Look, I have a very, very smallaudience, but I want to at
least try to keep this in theforefront as much as I can and
kind of do my part as far as thesituation in your area, the
situation in Texas, and whatpeople can do what my audience

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can do, if, if they, you know,can if they feel so generous to
help out.
So that's, that's the whole bigthing, that that I wanted to do
.
And you know, I just feel likeI'm trying to, I'm just trying
to do my part.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
It's like.
I'm glad you mentioned Altadena, because when you look at the
fires in California, pacificPalisades took up most of the
oxygen because those were thefancy houses and they had the
additional click bait feature ofbeing a celebrity's home.
But in Altadena you had a lotof senior citizens, fixed income
, paid off houses who didn'thave the right kind of insurance

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coverage.
Because why would they?
I mean, we've seen this in themountains of North Carolina too.
Somebody pays off their house.
They don't often keep insuranceon it at all, and if they did
keep insurance on it, it's notgoing to be at current values
because they did not get itreset.
They haven't had it done forcurrent valuation, which, by the
way, your entire audience.
If there's anything that youtake away from this particular

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episode, it is to call yourinsurance man and say I need to
update the coverage on myproperty because if you bought
your house in 2015, what itwould cost you to replace it
right now is not remotelyrelated to 2015.
And you're going to be sick onyour stomach to find out that
your replacement value haslagged and you can't replace it.

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And so, altadena, you havepeople who want to go back home.
They don't have the financialresources.
They're not the super wealthycelebrities.
And when the spotlight comesoff of them, what are they
supposed to do?
And if you were a seniorcitizen, you can't go back to
work.
You can't start over again.
Your kids and grandkids areprobably dual income stretched
thin.
They've got debt too.

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So what are you supposed to do?
And then we see the legislativeaction about replacing some of
those homes with low incomeaffordable housing.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Oh, I know.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
We can get in the news for the wrong thing.
How about let's get the peoplewho were there back home,
instead of replacing them?
Because if there's anythingI've learned in the North
Carolina mountains, it is thatit's not the house that matters,
it's the community that matters, which was why my organization,
back in October and November,where were so many people in

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North Carolina living in tents,and they were living under
carports and they were justliving wherever they could in
order to not leave their dirt.
And we provided a shed for thisone lady who was in her carport
, and we said why?
Why won't you go somewherewhere you've got walls?
Cause at the time, too, thebears were out of character

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because their habitat had beenmessed up and we have a huge
bear population.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Everybody is just like the rattlesnakes were wound
up.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
They did.
Their habitat had been messedup.
And so you've got a lady livingoutside and you've got the risk
of bears and rattlesnakes andyou get Indian summer and the
weather changes.
So we go to get her figure outhow to help her.
And she's like I'm not leavingmy land.
What if we bring a shed overhere to you, give it to you, no
strings attached, you can keepit, rebuild your house from it,
that's fine, I'm not leaving.
So that was the other story ofthe lack of assistance that FEMA

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.
They just they walked away fromWestern North Carolina.
It was absolutely crazy to watchcrazy making to talk about it,
cause all these people wouldaccuse me of lying.
I'm like crazy to watch crazymaking to talk about it, cause
all these people would accuse meof lying.
I'm like you're not here, I'mnot lying, and you're just
spouting off talking points, youlittle bots.
But FEMA would offer a hotel anhour and a half away.

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Well, if you live in acommunity and you know your
neighbors, your grocery store,you know where everything is,
you don't want to go an hour anda half away, you want to stay
at home and I can just wager Idon't know the people of
Altadena, but I would wager aguess that they'd rather be in
Altadena, even though it's beenburned to the ground, find a way

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back, instead of having to livesomewhere else, which is why
the permitting situation isreally infuriating to hear about
and watch, because we'redealing with it in Western North
Carolina too.
The ones who have feel like theynow have a pathway to get rid
of the have nots.
And if they can just say no,then maybe some of these mobile

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homes won't come back and theycan replace it with nicer homes,
because if you live in thegated community at the top of
the mountain, you really don'twant to look at these single
wide trailers down at the bottom, even though the people in
single wide trailers are yourneighbors too.
So there's this very weirdexposing of the socioeconomic
gap, and now there are peoplewho would love to widen it

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because they've got theirblinders on and they think that
everything needs to look likethem.
I just I can't look at lifelike that.
We were never designed for allof us to look the same, be the
same, have the same everythingwe're supposed to be this
beautiful patchwork quilt, butafter a storm there's a chance
to change the quilt, and that'snot necessarily a good thing.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Patchwork quilt.
Or what was that song thatDolly Parton had, where her mom
made her jacket out of all kindsof whatever I can't remember
Jacket of many colors orsomething like that.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
That's one of her best songs.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, exactly, and I just screwed that whole thing up
.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
See, but she took that song out of the Bible and
then here it winds up on I thinkit was number one on the
country top 100 back at the time.
What was that?
82, three that was.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Oh no, I think that was even.
I think it was like midseventies.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
We will have an earworm now, but I don't see
when the coat of many colors was.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
You're going to look it up, all right.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Many colors All the part and see it comes up as a
top Google 71.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
I was only all about that.
71.
Oh, even earlier than I said.
But yeah, it's amazing howthese tragedies.
It's like there's a politicalelite that just kind of wants to
swoop in and not make thingsright, but make things right for

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them.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yes, the whole we, the people, doesn't matter to
them because they think theyknow better than we, the plebes.
But we saw this during COVID.
We were all told we had to do X, y, z because the experts.
Well, why do they know better?
Because they're the experts.
Well, what about my knowledge,my intelligence?

(26:59):
And now you don't matter.
And so we see this exposingitself in so many different
scenarios in the world.
But to to be in the middle ofit in the Western North Carolina
mountains just makes me want tofight all the harder to help
somebody stay in their trailerhouse, if that is what they want
, and I know, Texas is going toexperience the same thing.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah, and and and.
Look, don't fight with Texas,you know.
Don't start a fight with thosepeople, you know, just like you
don't.
I mean, look, I'm on the Westcoast, I was born and raised
here in Southern California.
Okay, and I love it out here.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Because your state's beautiful and wealthy and gone
completely crazy.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
It has gone absolutely completely crazy.
But I but see, like for me andyeah, there's a lot of people
that are, you know, they moveout and they want to go to the
fine state of Texas, they wantto go to the fine state of
Tennessee you know, where it's alittle more red, or they go to
Idaho, or things like that, andthat's all good and well.
God bless them for doing thatFor me.

(27:58):
I'm digging my heels in and I'msaying, look, this is my home
and I'm not going to let youknuckleheads chase me out of my
home.
And you know I'll, I'll standmy ground and I'll fight you
till the bitter end and I whollyplan on winning that fight.
And um, so it's just, I don'twant to get off on a political

(28:23):
tangent here, but see, the thingis is though, Remember,
politics is how people interactwith each other in the world.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
We've turned politics into Republican versus Democrat
in DC or Sacramento or Raleigh,when really politics is how do
we all live together?
And if we all remember, that'sactually what we're supposed to
be talking about.
Are there different ways tolive together?
Absolutely.
Should we have discussionsabout it?
Of course we should.
It never should have turnedinto being told what to do by

(28:51):
one side of the lever or theother side of the lever, cause,
let's be honest, it's a unitparty.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah, no, and it shouldn't be.
You know, us versus them.
It should be.
You know, you said it earlier,we, the people, and it's okay to
disagree with one another, butbut but to be told that that one
, either one political party orone class of people, one social,
socioeconomical class of people, is better than another, or

(29:19):
hates another, that kind ofstuff is absolutely outrageous.
And and it to me, I neverreally be, I'm.
I always looked at, um, I'vealways been a conservative my
whole entire adult life.
Okay, it doesn't mean I alwaysvoted with my party.
Okay, I got bamboozled, I gotswindled into into voting for,

(29:39):
you know, Barack Obama.
I voted for him twice Onebecause, like I said, I got
swindled and also his opponentswere absolutely terrible too.
But for me, the guy who alwayslooked at politics from a

(30:00):
thousand foot level and until,until I saw, um, what was going
on, and then it really opened myeyes how the lies were spewed
about our current president, hisfirst time around.
And it's like I'm hearing this,but I'm seeing this.
So it's like don't these folksover here telling me don't

(30:21):
believe your lying eyes.
And I'm going it just doesn't,it just doesn't sync up, it
doesn't match.
And so that's when I reallyreally started jumping on board
and becoming a little more, um,aware and involved and um, you
know, but I look back 15 yearsor so, when Obama was president,

(30:47):
and it was every night on thenews, or a couple nights, a
couple nights a week on the news.
It was like, you know, um, thiscountry is the most racist
country on the planet, and andwe hate black people, and we
hate this class of people, andwe hate that class of people,
and and the police hate blackpeople, and so on and so on.

(31:09):
And we go back and I'm firstoff, in all transparency, I have
a ton of family in lawenforcement.
My two of my kids are policeofficers, officers.
I have a whole family of firstresponders and law enforcement
okay.
So I can tell everyone outthere, the audience, and I can
tell you too, lee, that justisn't the truth.

(31:30):
You know, yeah, there are badpeople out there, but that's not
.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
This is not the truth , okay you said lies to create a
, a perception.
It's all propaganda.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
And now, in the last 15 years, I do feel that we are
a divided country.
I feel that we do have apresident that is doing his best
to try to mend that and we havean establishment media that is
just doing every single thingthat they can to not allow it to

(32:04):
happen.
And I had a.
I had a friend of mine it wasshortly after the election last
November and he says so what doyou think?
Do you think that the do youthink that the leftists are
going to back off or are theygoing to?
Are they going to keep going?
And I said they are going todouble down, they are going to

(32:27):
triple down on all the samemessaging that they have been
going with the last, you know,five years, six years, seven
years, and it's not going tostop and it hasn't stopped.
And you know it's just, it's anabsolute shame and all I, you
know you see stuff on Facebookand social media and all this
kind of thing and, and a lot ofit, I a lot of the stuff that is
just nonsense.
I don't even, I don't evenrespond to because it's like

(32:48):
okay, listen, all you gotta dois stop.
Just, just, please, just like.
Go outside and open your eyesand that's all you have to do.
And the stuff that you'respewing here on your Facebook
page or whatever there's there's, there's absolutely no truth to
it.
Come on, people, but anyway.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
I tell people, if you find yourself typing in all
caps, you need to turn it alloff and walk outside because you
over the edge.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Okay, wait, hold on Time out.
I type in all caps a lot, notmy.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Facebook messages.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Oh, you know what Hang on.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
I forgot.
It's not good manners to holler.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Well, I don't wait, let me do this, because I did
this and I'm going to show you.
See, I type in all caps, butit's not because I'm yelling,
it's because it's big and youcan see it.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
And that's why I do it.
You can buy some readers likethe rest of us, and just deal
with your age.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
I have them right here, lee.
I have them right here, lee.
But if I put on the readers, Ican only see this.
You're fuzzy across the studio,so I have to take them off so I
can see you.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Okay, so you can have an exception for your all caps
on your crawler on your TVprogram, but you cannot do it on
the Facebook, the Instagram,the TikTok, any of that.
Somebody types in all caps.
I'm like I'm out, I can't do it.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I hear you on that, I do, Ihear you on that.
But okay, let's kind of moveaside for a sec.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
For anybody watching this to make a comment and to
explain to Ben that I'm righthere and he's wrong.
So this is a wonderfulopportunity that Catherine will
enjoy greatly for somebody elseto take her side for a minute.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Yeah, you know I'm I'm wrong a lot, you know.
I don't like to admit it though.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Well, he has to say it's his married life.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
But see, I think.
But, catherine, she strokes myego.
She says you're always right,you're always right, and even
though I know I'm not, I justthink she's just trying to, you
know, appease me, that's all,even though in the back of my
mind she's like this guy's suchan idiot.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
As long as she doesn't go to the social media
to say it is fine.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
I just don't like people who just marriage their
spouses in public.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
That's kind of ugly.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Here I want you to share with the audience.
I want you to tell the audienceabout Scott in Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Oh, I love Scott in.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Tennessee.
Come on, come on.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yes, no, I want you to tell the audience that one,
that one's just Okay.
So we had, of course, the stormhit September 27th and probably
for the first 30 days because,for reference for anybody who
remembered Western NorthCarolina kind of blipped through
.
You remember Hurricane Helene,thousand year flood, which how
many times have we heardthousand-year flood so far this
year?
Long different conversation.
So the geographical area thatwas impacted by the storm was

(35:32):
the size of Massachusetts andNorth Carolina.
When you look at a map doesn'tlook that big, but we're very
wide and we're a very big state.
So we had such a hugegeographical area.
I think that's one of ourdisadvantages and I hate to say
it's an advantage of whathappened in Texas.
But it was a more containedarea.
So it's much easier tocoordinate your volunteer

(35:53):
efforts and figure out how doyou reach the people.
And so there were nine heavilyhit counties, 29 counties total
that had some kind of impactfrom Helene, and we have 100
counties in the States.
That's the breadth of the storm.
So anyway, after about 30 dayswe had the emergency needs

(36:13):
somewhat in hand as far as water, oxygen tanks, propane
generators, helping people withthe very basics of survival.
That is what we consider phaseone relief work.
Well, phase two is in themucking out of the wet sheet
rock and taking out the rugs ina house so that you can stop the
mold and throw it indehumidifiers everywhere we

(36:35):
could trying to save houses.
But in all of that process,because of the size of the storm
, there were 1875 houses thatwere 100 percent destroyed by
the storm, and some of thosewere landslides, some were flood
.
They were just the houses gone.
And I look at SouthernCalifornia and you had all of

(36:57):
these city blocks completelydecimated by fire and y'all
actually lost more structuresthan we did.
But the difference here is thatyou're a flat geographical area
, we are a mountain, and so youhad houses here and houses here
and they're all over the placeand they were tucked in and the
roads were gone, so the two laneroads washed out.

(37:18):
You'd have a half of a lanethat could be repaired so you
can get a side by side through,but you couldn't get a real
truck and people were stillliving on the other side of a
half a lane left road wherethere's a motorcycle or a side
by side getting them.
Wow, wow, people living in tents, as I mentioned before, because
they didn't want to leave theirland.

(37:39):
And one of my visits I was likeI have to do something about
housing.
I mean, I'm a 25 year realtor,so housing is my my space, it's
what I know the best and it'swhat my my brain starts working
overtime on.
How do we do something abouthousing here?
Well, at the time we had a lotof pushback from FEMA and from

(38:00):
the EPA and from the state andthe federal government and the
county permitting people no, youcan't live in this.
No, you can't do that.
And there was a hugely viralsituation where the Amish had
come down from Pennsylvania andOhio.
In fact, there are groups ofAmish that are working here
still trying to help bring thetown of Chimney Rock back.

(38:20):
They are just the biggestblessing in this country.
It's amazing they don't needyour recognition.
But the Amish had built, I think300 tiny homes, but they did
not have permits and so theywere told they could not be
occupied.
So you had people living intents, living under carports and
in shelters and in houses theyshouldn't have been living in

(38:42):
that were just racked with mold,and then they're told you can't
live.
And then Amish built tiny home,which of course their quality
is way up here, and it's justbecause of red tape.
Well, that's going on and we'rewatching this happen.
So I had called my congressmanand asked for the FEMA manual
because I wanted to know whatwas going on.

(39:02):
How can FEMA do this?
It doesn't make sense to me.
So let me see what theregulations say.
And as I'm reading what FEMAcan and can't regulate as
housing, I discovered that theycannot touch a tractor shed.
All right, good to know.
So then I talked to some shedfriends of mine, because you can
get a very nicely built shedand these were actually built by

(39:23):
some Mennonite people that wereeight by 12s.
Well, in all of our NorthCarolina counties, if you look
at building code, once you hit12 feet you have triggered
permits and code and regulations.
Yeah, we took an inch off thecorner.
So instead of being eight by 12, these were eight 1111s.
They did not trigger any codes,and so we built these temporary

(39:46):
tractor sheds.
They were not on a permanentfoundation, did not have
utilities, they were on a skidso we could skid them into a
property.
We gave them camping toilets sothey could have somewhere for
waste, and then provided waterand a propane heater and we
vented them out.
I mean, we had a plan for thesesheds.
So, as I'm getting the ideatogether, I did what I've been

(40:07):
doing all along.
Most of my team has arrivedthrough watching me on social
media.
So there is a good side tosocial media that people do.
Because they don't trust themainstream media anymore.
Because of all the propaganda,they will go there to get their
news.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
I had put out a request that said we're going to
build some sheds for people.
We need volunteers.
I've never done this before,didn't really have any idea what
to do, except that my my me,one of my new best favorite
friends is Austin Limeberry.
He's a builder in Georgia.
Austin was watching me online.
He calls and he's a freakingluxury home builder.

(40:44):
He builds the stuff they havein the Palisades, the really
gorgeous stuff.
He's willing to come help mewith these sheds and all over
the place.
And so we set up a date.
The land was donated to us to dothe build through a
relationship of my good realtorfriends Star Franklin and the
town of Fowleys, and she knewthis guy that had a field we
could use and were bathrooms anda church that was going to

(41:06):
donate some space.
And so we set a date to buildsheds and we all gather on a
Saturday truly just to seewhoever shows up.
We had some supplies.
Some lady in Alabama had sentme a plan to build some from
scratch and we had people from11 states show up from just all
over the place All kinds ofskill levels, some wildly

(41:30):
unskilled people who had a heartto help and some very skilled
builders, electricians,carpenters, they'd all come in
and one of these people was thisfellow named Scott and Scott's
from Tennessee and he's of ahe's retirement age but he's not
old, he's.
I don't know how old Scott is,early sixties maybe, I don't
know.
So Scott drove over in hisTahoe which are suburban,

(41:52):
whatever one of the big vehiclesand it was very well loved and
obviously his, his favorite car.
So Scott shows up and he's oneof our helpers and he's driving
teams through and he's helpingcoordinate and just super duper
guy.
So we didn't finish our projectin one day, which I had thought
we would, but I had no knowledgeor experience and so we had to.

(42:14):
All right, we're going to haveto keep going on Sunday.
So we come back out to the jobsite Sunday.
There's Scott, there's a wholedifferent collection of people
because we lost some who had todo church stuff and picked up
some other ones and thecollection.
We keep going.
And then we didn't finish againbecause again they didn't
really know what I was doing.
So Monday we're wrapping itback up.
We started delivering some ofthese sheds on Sunday afternoon

(42:37):
and then Monday comes and wehave to go finish them up.
Here's Scott again.
Well, that was when another oneof my amazing volunteers, eric,
who teaches the constructiontrades program at the local
community college at WesternPiedmont.
He had risen up to come helpand want to know could he bring
his students?
They could get some real lifeexperience.

(42:58):
I'm like bring your students.
And so we had all the studentsfrom the community college.
They're learning from all theseretired builders and like one of
the cutest things ever we were.
I guess it was that Sundaywe're working on some of our
sheds that we built from scratch, and this young man wanders up
wearing Crocs and he said, well,what do you all do?
And we're building sheds forWestern North Carolina.
And he said, well, I wasthinking about going to the

(43:20):
construction program at WesternPiedmont.
And I said, well, that's fine,because the instructor for that
program's over here.
And he said, well, I was hopingto be a carpenter.
Well, I had a retired carpenterright over here and said
introduce the two of them.
That young man had a hammer inhis hand and a level and this
carpenter was pouring into himwithin like five minutes and

(43:40):
this kid got so addicted to itand of course, he's now signed
up and he's in the constructiontrades program and so it's just
amazing.
So all this is going on.
So Eric's there.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Okay, I hope they burned his Crocs and gave him a
proper pair of work boots.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Okay, the next day.
Okay, all right, he wanted towander up and start work.
He intended to wander up andask questions, but when you meet
a mom and dad who's a busybody,you get plugged in.
So Eric, who runs the programfor the community college, had
been talking to Scott whilethey're out there working
together and found out he didn'thave anywhere to stay.
He'd been sleeping in hisvehicle, but he wasn't going to

(44:16):
leave until the sheds were done.
So Eric takes him home and nowthey're best buddies Again.
What world does it happen that aguy drives over from Tennessee
and makes friends with the guyfrom the community college who
turns out both of them needed afriend.
And so in finding out morelater, we find out Scott's wife

(44:38):
had died two years ago and hehad been in this massive
depressive funk, didn't feellike he had a purpose, didn't
feel like there was anythingthat he could offer anymore.
He was just so down.
And then he happened to watchmy videos.
I don't know if a friend sentit to him, don't have any idea.
He answered the call to comebuild sheds with a stranger, for

(45:02):
strangers, a bunch of peoplewho had no idea what they were
doing, and he just leans rightinto it and his demeanor just
cheerful and wonderful, and hetold eric that he felt like he'd
found purpose again yeah sayingyes and I still I get
goosebumps.
I love the guy he's.
He showed up on every one ofour builds.

(45:22):
We did three separate buildsfor these sheds and then he, of
course, now that he and Eric arebesties, he shows up at the
community college to help givesome guidance and coach the kids
.
I'm like this is what it'sabout, because he's not a
wealthy guy.
He's a regular guy who chose tothrow in in a very odd situation

(45:47):
.
And I just look at that and Ithink this is where Mike and I
were having a conversation toobecause he is he kept talking
about the people who are 99%into things.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
I must've talked about this a thousand times
since that show.
But they want to do things,they intend to do things, but
then there's that something thatstops them, whether their
garage needs to get cleaned outor the bills are due, or I've
got something to do or I'm tired, or I'm busy, I'll do it later
All the things that stop us.
Scott didn't get stopped, hejust said yes, and he shows up

(46:22):
and he gets out of this.
I would say probably more thanhe gave, and he didn't come to
receive.
He came to give, and because hegave, he received.
And I do think we forget thatbecause people that are very
altruistic often refuse toreceive, and so I actually.
I probably should have pointedthis out to Mike too.

(46:43):
So I'll just tell your show butthe spiritual gift of giving is
is one Some people have.
Other people are not givers bynature, like they weren't wired
for it, but the people who give,everybody knows one, and it
often is the women in a family,because they're over there
making sure everybody else hassomething to eat.

(47:03):
They don't eat until everybodyelse is handled.
They do all the cards and allthe gifts and they are doing,
doing, doing, doing, and thenthey will get sick and somebody
tries to help them, they're likeNope, I'm fine, help somebody
else.
Nope, I don't ever want toreceive.
But if you are never willing toreceive, somebody else doesn't

(47:25):
get the gift of giving.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Right, oh wow, that is so good Needed to give.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Scott a place to sleep, and if Scott had said no,
eric's gift would have beenblocked.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
That is so good, you know.
That's on a smaller scale, butvery similar when people pay.
I'm not one for receivingcompliments.
I can't stand.
I just I just like, and I'm nota shy guy, I'm a very, I'm a
very extroverted person, but,but, but, and and I I, when I'm

(47:58):
controlling the spotlight, whenI'm shining it on myself, it's
great, but when others do it, no, I just no, please don't do
that.
Or but a simple compliment likehey, you, you look good today,
or you did this well, orwhatever it is, and it's like
yeah, you know, so I understand,but then Everybody should have
a Southern grandmother who tellsyou from the time you are able

(48:20):
to walk and talk and chew gum.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
When somebody pays you a compliment, you say thank
you.
That's exactly right.
That's exactly right, someSouthern grandmothers, and they
forgot.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Yes, somebody told me that they said just just say
thank you because it's a gift.
It's a gift, just somebodywho's just giving you a gift,
and it's nothing special,nothing, you know, it is special
but honestly you're diminishingtheir gift when you say it's
nothing special.
Yes, it's significant from theperson giving it.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Yes, and and yeah and I and I always struggled
recognizing that because I don'treceive well but um if you
don't receive, they don't get togive, and those of us that
enjoy giving have to letsomebody else have that joy too.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
And you're taking that person's joy away.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, you're exactly right.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Because he gets the best friend and he gets purpose
again and he has people who relyon him, which he needed so much
to be valuable.
And the value has nothing to dowith dollars and nothing to do
with the house, oh, with your,the place that you occupy in the
world.
And are you going to occupy agood place or a bad place, in a

(49:32):
small place or a large place?
It doesn't take.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
It doesn't take a bunch of money to feel, to feel
half self-worth or to feelworthy of other people.
All it takes is what's insideand a strong faith in in our
Lord and savior, and that's allthat you need and and and then
to be able to share that withothers.
And, um, I just I love thatstory about Scott and the cool

(50:00):
part is that Scott, being sodown, losing his wife not very
long before then, you know, likeyou had said, within a couple
of years prior to that, you know, and to lose a spouse other
than a child is probably one ofthe hardest things anybody will
ever have to go through, hardestthings anybody will ever have
to go through.
And you know to still bedealing with that and still not

(50:25):
in a right place, but notmissing the sign from God.
He's like, hey, this is, here'sthe path, all you got to do is
just drive, and he did.
And now he's gotten so muchmore out of it than he could
have ever imagined and I just Ilove that story.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
But he doesn't even know the lives he's changed, and
I think that's something thatour social media world has
trouble with, where we want totake a selfie with the homeless
guy you helped.
That's not what it's about.
It's about just do it and thenlet the Lord give the increase,
because he always gives anincrease.
But I will say, like there'sthe the fact that giving has to

(51:09):
look like a lot of things, andit's not always money.
It's often your time and yourabilities and even your
willingness to be coached, likethat young man.
He brought a willingness to betaught by this carpenter who
wanted to give his knowledge toa young fella.
I was looking at Instagram Iguess it was day before
yesterday and there was a personin a car behind.

(51:32):
Someone had taken a video, andso I love seeing people giving
when they don't know they'rebeing caught at it, and it was
at a stoplight and this fellawas in a minivan and he was
putting anointing oil on ahomeless guy, praying with him,
and I was sitting bawling.
I'm like that's exactly whatit's supposed to look like.
The homeless guy walks up, I'mthe one that locks my doors.

(51:54):
I'm like please don't hustle me, because I I get nervous and
I'm a generally outgoing person,but woman by myself in the car
and I watch the news too much,but this fella had his window
down.
He was hugging the man, givinghim anointing oil and praying
with him.
And then I read the comments,which was a terrible mistake,
because you should never readthe comments.
It will take all your joy awayfrom you quickly.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
She had all these people.
I hope you took him home.
I hope you took him home, Ihope you gave him some money, I
hope you gave him some food.
And all I can think is y'allmissed the whole point.
He gave him eternal life, hegave him the bread of life, he
gives him something to hope forand he gives him the joy of love
, which would probably enablehim to figure out the next steps
and see the next steps.
But if you don't serve the soulfirst, it's very hard for the

(52:38):
body to ever be happy.
But, man, these people aremissing the point.
And I'm sitting over herecrying like I got to get my
anointing oil out while I'mriding down the road.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Now you can just have it in your purse with you
wherever you go.
Ready to, you know, ready atall times, you know.
Uh, that's your Presbyterian.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
You have no idea what I'm talking about.
So just go visit a Pentecostalchurch sometime, you'll figure
it out.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
I know that's great, you know there's.
Yeah, we have to get to thisone.
We have to get to this linebecause when I called Mike the
week after you had called andjust really started this whole
ball rolling, he says oh Lee,there was a thing.
She said I could envision himlike shuffling around looking

(53:33):
for it.
I said I got you, mike, I gotit right here, I got it right
here.
I said and I want you to speakto this.
I said the line goes like this,mike, it's first you learn,
then you earn, then you return,and those three right there.
And I had the same reactionwhen that first came out of your

(53:57):
mouth.
I had the same reaction asSlater did.
At the same time I was justlike my mouth was agape.
You know, just like what youknow, just absolutely phenomenal
words and words I'm never, evergoing to forget.

(54:17):
And I just, I just want you totell the audience where that
came from and what the meaningof that is.
If they're not getting it yet,just explain that please.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Well, I wish I could give credit to the person who
said it, but I have gone throughall my notebooks.
I cannot find her name.
But I remember it was a womanin Georgia at a Georgia Women's
Realtor Conference where my dearfriend Brian Drake is going to
be president of the GeorgiaRealtor Conference, where my
dear friend Brian Drake is goingto be president of the Georgia
Realtors next year, and she'dinvited me to come to this event
and I love learning when I'mthere as a speaker.

(54:48):
I was there as the emcee andwhile other people are talking,
I'm sitting over here going oh,oh, oh.
And when she said that it wassuch a mic drop.
So if I ever find her name,she's going to get all the
credit in the world.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Here's what it boils down to A lot of people want to
do things for other people, butyou're not equipped for it yet,
and so you actually have to giveyourself a little bit of grace
and patience, because our livesare made up of these different
seasons of when you're young,you're supposed to learn, you're
supposed to gather informationand be the young guy talking to
the carpenter.
Go learn from him, gather it,so that you can then earn, you

(55:27):
can provide for your family, youcan build a stable financial
life, whatever that looks like,and as you have that stability,
you have the opportunity to gogive back and start watching God
provide the increase.
But if you refuse to learn,it's hard to earn and then you
have nothing to return and so itall starts adding up.
And, as I was mentioning toMike, I didn't know that the

(55:50):
season of my life was shiftingfrom earn to return, because my
husband and I are not wealthy,but we have made some very smart
decisions so that we would havesome financial stability when
we're older.
So we're fine.
We're not ever going to be outthere doing big fancy things,
but even if we had the cash, wewould just go buy more rental

(56:11):
properties.
But we are stable and then,when the storm hit, I've got a
25 year real estate businesswhere my phone rings because
people know me and my reputationis strong.
I don't have to spend a lot onmarketing.
I can rely on the fact thatpeople know me well enough to
call me.
So I guess I can go ahead andmove into my return phase

(56:31):
because I've done relief efforts, my husband and I.
Our anniversary is September27th, and so we've had to
surprise.
Oh geez, louise, you gotta bekidding me, and actually my aunt
was being buried that day Likeit was a.
There's a lot of stuff going onin my family on that day.
Wow, my anniversary is thatweekend.
We've done hurricane workbefore down at the coast, and so

(56:52):
to go do more hurricane workwas a natural yes, but it went
from a deliver one set ofsupplies, check the box and say
I've done something, into anonprofit that has continued to
expand our offerings because I'mable to now, and 15 years ago,
ben, I couldn't have done thatbecause our kids were small.

(57:13):
Well, now they're bothqualified to be off the payroll,
even though one's in collegeand one's working and hasn't
quite moved out yet, but they're.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Qualified to be off the payroll.
I love it.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Their day is coming very soon, but I'm in a
different space now than I wasthen.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Had I tried to do this with a storm 10 years ago,
we had Hurricane Matthew in 2016, which there are still people
suffering from, matthew ineastern North Carolina Nine
years later I couldn't do thenwhat I'm doing now.
Don't be so hard on yourself.

(57:53):
If you don't have theRockefeller money or you don't
have the time to go, be likeClint and spend two weeks doing
search and recovery, or youcan't just drive across the
mountains like Scott did.
There will be a season for youif you are preparing yourself
towards that season, and onething we're told as believers
all the time is that you've gotto be in preparation mode.
It's the keep your lampstrimmed and burning, because you

(58:16):
don't know when you're going tobe called.
You don't know when the Lord'sgoing to put your name on
something, so get yourselfprepared.
It's very good life advice, andif somebody happens to be
watching this who's not abeliever and wants to start
poo-pooing what I'm saying, well, just realize that it's still
good life advice.
The Bible is full of great lifeadvice and the more you read it

(58:37):
, you start realizing thateverything you need is in one
book, and when you actually findJesus and you find out,
everything you need was actuallyinvolved in that book too.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Yeah, that's absolutely right.
I think a lot of it, like youknow, if anybody out there, you
know if they're regular, youknow if they're believers and
regular church goers, you knowyou get asked to serve at church
and it's like, well, what do Ido here, what do I do there?
It doesn't matter what it isyou do as long as you do and

(59:08):
because, because, okay, youcould just stand at the door and
greet people as they come in.
You know, you know what man?

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Hey, let's plug in the learn, earn, return to
volunteering in your church andall the opportunities.
Go to leadership.
Go to somebody and say what arethe ministries we have here?
There's greeting Some peopleare equipped for that, Some
people are not.
There is counting of money Somepeople are equipped for that,
Some people are not.
Learn all the opportunities.
Then go volunteer in them andask some questions and sit in
the background and absorb andfind out what's going on and

(59:42):
then you will land in thecorrect spot.
But if you just go plug yourselfin, if you are somebody who has
a gift for hospitality you wantto serve people then when there
is an event at your churchwhere you're doing backpack
blessings for the kids goingback to school, man, you need to
be right in the center of that.
But if it is about overseasmissions and that's a different

(01:00:04):
gift set than hospitality, youprobably don't sign up for that
because you won't have the sameability that you will if you
lean right into the gifts thatGod gave to you and he gives all
of us a unique set of gifts.
That's the beauty of the church.
We're not the same, we're notmeant to be the same and,
spoiler alert if you volunteerin the wrong place, you will

(01:00:26):
kind of hate church, you willkind of really be miserable and
burn out and then you startfalling away from the Lord and
that's really not good for yoursoul.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Or, if you don't, you will find your place.
You can find your place andI'll give you an example, and I
don't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
I'm not, I'm not trying to pump myself up here a
little bit, but we don'tdiminish.
What are you doing?
Everything you're saying,you're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
So when I started, I got to listen to you.
So.
So when, when I first startedserving in church, you know
there was a I don't know, therewas an email or something had
gone on.
Hey, you know, we need helpwith the worship team.
Blah, blah, blah.
You can be on, you can be partof the worship, the actual
worship team on stage, or youcan be behind the scenes

(01:01:15):
production.
You can be part of the actualworship team on stage or you can
be behind the scenes production, whatever.
So I thought, okay, you know Icould do that.
You know.
I thought, well, yeah, I don'tthink I'm really ready.
Even though I love thatspotlight, I'm not ready to try
to jump up on stage and, youknow, compete with anybody else
up there, for, you know, forlead vocals or anything.
But so I started helping withcameras and that type of stuff.

(01:01:39):
I was in the production areabut because of my work schedule,
I couldn't be at rehearsalsonce a week.
So I was going in early onSundays, I would go in extra
early and I'd be trying to learnthe job and all that kind of
stuff.
And I did it for a little whileand I did enjoy it.
But I started thinking tomyself I don't feel that they're

(01:02:01):
benefiting from what I'm doing.
I'm not really givingeverything that I should be
giving to this and I feel likeI'm not dragging them down, but
I feel like I'm not just servingwhat I really need to be doing
and how I need to be doing it.
So this was, uh, I think thiswas in uh, uh, dude 20.

(01:02:23):
Yeah, this was in 2020.
It was after we had finallybeen able to go back to church
and all that stuff.
So, um, in, and during thattime, we lost our children's
ministries, you know, and allthat.
And in 2021, we started up ourfirst service with children's
ministries, again for thelittler kids, and there was a

(01:02:45):
calling okay, you know, we'relooking for people to help out
with the kids' ministries, blah,blah, blah, all that good stuff
.
Look, I've coached baseball.
I coached baseball for yearsand years and years and years
and years, and from T-ball allthe way through high school and
all that stuff.
So, like, all right, I lovekids, I dig kids.
So I thought, well, let me gogive this a shot here.

(01:03:06):
And I've been serving.
In November it's going to befour years.
I've been serving with thethird and fourth graders and
it's just so absolutelyfulfilling.
I just I, just Now.
I know that's where I belong, Ifound my spot.
I found my place and I found myrole and, honestly, I again.

(01:03:27):
Yes, I try not to heap a bunchof praise on myself.
I try to downplay what it isthat I do.
I don't think I do a wholebunch, but I keep hearing thank
yous every Sunday and I'm like Ididn't do anything.
I just show up and turn thelights on.
You know I turn the computerson.
You know, like no, no, no, no,no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
And now you don't have to do that anymore, because
you know we're in a societywhere the family is under attack
and we need to see strong dadsall over the place who can show
the kids that it is absolutelygood to have a strong dad and a
strong mom, and that they caneven live in the same house.
And if they don't live in thesame house, then you can be the

(01:04:09):
one that says it is possible foryou, because that third and
fourth grade set is the targetfor so much of the propaganda
that's in the world right now,because they are in the heart of
formation.
They're old enough tounderstand, but small enough to
still be influenced.
Yes, yes, yes You've got a veryunique role there, and so the
parents are thanking you becauseyou're probably backstopping

(01:04:31):
what they've tried to say andthe kids don't listen to them,
but you're a different authorityfigure.
They're grateful that you'rewilling to be there in the room
with their children so that theycan safely go worship
themselves and and have a momentto breathe, because parenting
is really hard work.
And we look at all of ourdifferent things that we do and
quickly diminish that becauseanybody could do it.

(01:04:52):
Well, anybody could do it, butnot everybody should do it.
Just because you can doesn'tmean you should, right.
But it also means that yourspace in that third and fourth
grade classroom gives somebodyelse permission to give it a try
, like, oh, ben can do it, maybethat's a space I could find.
But you also give thempermission to change roles,
because you were on the worshipteam and you changed spots

(01:05:16):
because there was somethingdifferent.
Well then you've told them youdon't have to stay married to
that committee forever if it'snot where your passion still is,
because things change and move.
And it's also the story ofrelief work.
We needed water in week one.
By the time we got to week four, we're like stop sending water,
we have enough until Jesuscomes back, please stop.

(01:05:36):
But people were sending oldinformation, whereas if they
stayed updated, they knew thatwhat we needed was changing, and
changing in all these places inlife.
But that's all back to thelearning side of things.
As humans, we're alwayslearning, so that we're earning
favor, we're earning dollars,we're earning experience, and

(01:05:57):
then we get to return in timeand money and gifts.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
I feel that's my right now, I feel that's my,
that's, that's my return rightnow, and I do, I, I, I, just I,
I love it.
I feel it's my responsibility tobe a role model to those kids,

(01:06:23):
because when you're at that age,especially elementary age kids,
there's not a lot of maleteachers in the field, the field
.
And so to have somebody to havea male role model, somebody can

(01:06:43):
look up to, it doesn't have alittle boy or little girl,
doesn't matter, but somebody tolook up to other than then a
figure that they see at homeevery day in the form of their
mother, right, and so so I it'sI'm the only one, unfortunately,
I'm out there trying to recruitmore men to do it, and I'm like
guys, you don't have to be old,like me, ok, but but if you,

(01:07:06):
you know, I want guys that areat least, you know, 40s, maybe
50ies, whatever, but but, butbut somebody a little bit older,
not the high school age kids orthe college age kids, that kind
of thing and some of the kidscan really look up to as as a
role model.
And I feel like I'm, it's just,I'm just doing my

(01:07:26):
responsibility, trying to lay afoundation of faith to these
kids, you know, and when theysee.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Now, it's okay if the high school and college age
kids want to do it too, becausethis young generation is
learning very quickly that theold ways aren't necessarily the
worst ways.
But it could mean that you windup taking that high school kid
under your wing and say come tothe third and fourth grade
classroom with me so that I canmentor the next generation of
leader while we lead the kids.

(01:07:52):
And that's a huge, wonderfulspace to be in.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
So I, yeah, I just dig that.
But you know, I was on, I haveit popped open here.
I've got, I've got your oh crap, come on here, let's go.
Come on there, we go there, itis All right.
So I'm on your website here andthere's this picture and
there's this big old, beautifulsmile that you have on your face
and I love it.
But there's some happy peoplein that picture and I don't know

(01:08:19):
if you know what picture I'mtalking about, but if you do,
what website are you onPatriotrelieforg?
I'm on Patriot Relief Fund.
Yeah, I want you to just tellme about the people in the
picture.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Okay, let's see.
Luckily I've got my ipad herenearby.
Oh, I've updated my websitesince we just the new website
came out.
So, um, you're on the oldversion, I think.
All right, so probably, let'ssee.
I actually am very excitedbecause I was just checking it
earlier and it had not gone liveyet all right patriot leave

(01:08:54):
because, just like we got the um, oh there, it is Okay.
So Patriot relief funds.
We had to use that at firstcause Patriot relief was taken,
and then the website came up.
I got Patriot relieforg, whichis way easier now.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Okay, before, before we get into the picture.
So is that going to be?
That's the new web address.
Website.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
It's relieforg, but we have both of them, so we're
fine.
Okay, all right, okay.
So the picture you see here,that's me and that's my 1979
Ford in the background.
That's my baby.
I love her so much.
So you have a lady that I usedto work out with and she is a
cancer survivor.
She's amazing, the one with thesunglasses and you've got her

(01:09:36):
kids.
And then we have a friend ofhers from her neighborhood and
her son.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
And that's one holding the child there.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Yes, so he's her, he's her baby, he's like two and
a half or at the time he was,and the this was the Sunday
after Helene hit on Friday,because the waters finished
cresting on Saturday and I hadput on Facebook we're collecting
these supplies, and I hadseveral different donation sites
because, as a realtor, I have amove-in truck that my clients
get to use and I was just goingto fill the truck up no big deal

(01:10:07):
and I had a site at my houseand so I published my address on
the internet and said bringyour stuff.
So people were pouring in and Ihave also have a 1987 ford and
so the beds of both trucks werecompletely slapped full oh,
that's great then we.
We actually wound up with ourdonation sites with a
semi-trailer that was full ofsupplies.
It was donated by the localshoe show.

(01:10:29):
Their headquarters are inconcord, north carolina, where I
am, and this was just therepresentation of it.
So you have somebody who knowsme, bring somebody who she knows
but doesn't know me, and theywant their kids.
And this was my favorite thingof the way that we've done
Patriot Relief is that we seethe community college kids
coming out to support buildingthese temporary tractor sheds as

(01:10:52):
they gain job skills.
Then we saw parents that wereshopping for diapers and water
bottles and bleach and vinegarand all the things that you
might need, and they're shoppingwith their kids.
And then the kids would comeand the daughter in the back
who's got her little grin rightabove me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Now some coloring books and some crayons, because
one thing people forget about indisaster relief is that you
have kids who now don't get togo to school, they can't go
outside and play, and theirparents are traumatized.
They're traumatized too.
They don't have electronics,because almost every kid now is
on a device.
You got to give them somethingto do, so these kids had helped

(01:11:31):
their mom pick out someactivities for the kids, and it
was.
The family gets involved, andso this goes back to.
Everything goes back.
First you learn, then you earn,then you return, and so parents
know why they give.
You have to teach the nextgeneration how to give and why
to give and then where to give,and so then they're taking this

(01:11:52):
next generation, those kids.
At some point whether it's whenthey're 30 or 50 or 80, it
doesn't matter they will alreadyhave been given the gift from
their mom of this is what we do.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Nobody has to ask.
This is just what we do.
This is what we do.
Yep, this is our calling andthat's what we do.
How very wise of that younglady there to think of coloring
books for the kids.
I think that's just great.
You know, it's nothing special,it's nothing grand, but it's

(01:12:30):
something that will take achild's mind away from all the
nutt, the nuttiness that justhappened in their life just for
a little while.
Just coloring in whatever mightbe in that, on that picture,
all right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
So recast that because it is special and it is
grand to the recipient.
The world not grand.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Yeah, I mean, I guess I meant in the size of it, you
know okay, so Jesus gives theparable.
I'm missing everything, aren'tI?
I'm messing it all up.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
So think about this though the parable with Jesus
and giving.
The Pharisees were at the frontof the church, the temple.
They've given their big gift.
They're bragging I'm so great,I've given this big stuff and
the widow sneaks in with her twomites because it's all she had.
She gives him two mites andJesus says that's the gift,

(01:13:21):
because she gave what she had.
And it impacts the kingdom.
And so when you think about theyoung lady who realizes another
kid needs a coloring book, thekid who receives the coloring
book feels like the center ofthe universe.
And if all they had given wasmoney, that kid wouldn't have a
chance to feel special.
And so every gift actually isso big for one person, and also

(01:13:44):
Ben.
This is why some people don'tgive.
They say I don't have enough.
I only have an hour I candonate.
I can't volunteer at the church.
I only have an hour, we have it.
Bring us your hour, we'll,we'll use that hour.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Good use.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
I only have $10.
We will add your $10 tosomebody else's $10 to somebody
else's, and that was one of thecraziest things about the
dollars that came in.
When I put the response outthere, my video started going
viral.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
I get these donations from all over the country, and
actually some international onestoo, and I'm getting the dollar
here, five dollars here, andall their notes would say
praying for the people, thankyou for what you're doing.
This is all I have, and so myresponse to all of them was
thank you, thank you.
It all adds up.
Every gift is special.

(01:14:32):
Every gift adds up Because ifeverybody out there does what
they can do, there is anincrease.
God gives the increase.
It's not on us to say our giftis big or small.
We just we give and trust.
And it worked in such a in suchan enormous way that I was

(01:14:52):
having a hard time responding tothe phone calls and the
Facebook messages and all thestuff coming in.
And you'd have all these peoplethat are like I don't want
credit.
In fact, one of my biggestdonors to Patriot Relief is a
very well-known celebrity andwhen he reached out, my team and
I were like is this real or isthis a scam?

(01:15:13):
Because I don't know this guyand I'm a real estate agent with
some viral videos in NorthCarolina.
Is this real or is this ascammer?
Because I don't know this guyand I'm a real estate agent with
some viral videos in NorthCarolina.
Is this real?
And so we talked to his.
He gave us to his executiveassistant.
She said you know where do Isend the check?
And he wants to know what otherorganizations are like yours in
South Carolina and Georgiawhere he can do direct giving,
that the money will get to thepeople.

(01:15:33):
And so I hunted around and gavehim the organizations.
Back to the beginning of ourconversations how close can we
get to the people?
Those organizations send itover?
And then Lisa, who works withme, we're like this ain't gonna
happen.
This is not real.
We just did some research,whatever we.
Now we know the organizations.
And then here comes a FedExenvelope with a massive check in

(01:15:54):
it.
And then I reached out to thecelebrity and said please,
please, please, let me tag you,please, please, please, please,
let me tell people that you gaveto us because it's so cool.
And he said, no, I don't givepublicly, I give privately.
And it's I'm like okay, I'mvery grateful and we're
absolutely going to use thedollars really, really well.

(01:16:15):
But you start realizing thatit's not the size, it's the
heart.
And if we would get our givingminds back to that yes, you go
local, so that your small giftdoesn't get diluted, so you can
make somebody else feel seen andvalued.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Are you people listening to this?
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Come on, come on, tell your pastor, he gave you a
sermon and he can take this andrun with it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
No, lee, I knew that this was.
This is exactly how I knew itwas going to go.
I really did, I just did.
So let me ask you this okay,look, you've been so gracious
with your time as well,especially coming back from a
family trip too.
You just got back a few hoursago.
But let me ask you this whenyou are not out saving your

(01:17:12):
community or, as you like to putit, your people, what is it,
what do you do?
What is it that Lee Brown isdoing besides saving her people?

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
Well, I am married and my husband and I are coming
up on 22 years very shortly, onSeptember 27th.
We have two fairly grown kids.
We have a 19 year old son and a20 year old daughter, and we
live on 10 acres.
We have chickens and we havegardens, and I wouldn't call
myself a prepper, but I am apreparing type person, so I like

(01:17:50):
to have our things at the houseas close to the earth as I can,
much to the chagrin of myhusband, who doesn't understand
why I love herbal remedies andoils so much.
But he's a very patient man.
So that's the home life.
We are very involved with ourchurch.
We are very involved with myfamily.
Both sets of our parents arestill living and they live

(01:18:10):
within five minutes of us, andso my husband is very good at
making sure he cares for hisparents and mine are here all
the time too.
And then my professional life.
I'm a 25 year realtor.
I own my own firm, so I coachagents in my firm, and then I
also am an international trainerfor real estate.
I've spoken on five continentsand in 49 states, and I love

(01:18:33):
giving people the permission togo do great things, and often I
have found that in that space ofcoaching and speaking, people
already know inside what theanswer is.
They just need permission togrant that to themselves and I
love it.
It's the same thing with relief,right?
So people want to help.
They just don't know the how.

(01:18:54):
You give them the how and offthey go.
They were ready.
So that's my life in a nutshell, and I don't know what's coming
next.
But who knows, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
And I heard you say it before that you are a
whirlwind and I can tell you area whirlwind.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
My husband said that he says he's married to a
whirlwind.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Yeah, and you, yeah, you, yeah.
God love your husband forhaving to put up with that
whirlwind.
Yeah, no, that's I love it,that's great.
It just this has been so, um, I, it's beyond words.
It really is, honestly,honestly, and um, I know I'm

(01:19:33):
going to be.
Slater asked me to send him alink to this, so I will.
I'll email him, I'm going tobug him too.
I'm going to bug.
You're going to have to bug himtoo for me.
Well, let's hit him from bothsides with emails and we'll
absolutely do that for you onthis podcast.
Before we get out, though.
Before we get out, look, I wantto.
I did this.
I did this one time before withanother guest.
I haven't done it before and Ihaven't done it since, but I'm

(01:19:55):
going to play a little game, ifwe can, okay, Just so we can
learn a little bit more aboutLee Brown.
All right, and you've heard ofthe Island questions, right?

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
Oh yes, it's a big episode in season two.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
Of what?

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
The Office.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Oh, I have no idea.
I never watched the Office, Idon't know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
Office.
Oh, I have no idea.
I never watched the Office.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
The Office has a reference to everything in life.
It's the craziest thing, no, no, See, all my references come
from.
Let's see the King of Queens.
Everybody loves Raymond theMiddle.
That's where all my referencescome from.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
My kids can hang out with you, because that's what my
20-year-old loves.
Everybody loves Raymond.
You can hang out with your kids.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
Oh, good stuff, Good stuff, anyway.
Okay, all right.
So, for those who may not know,lee's now going to go live on a
deserted island.
Not a desert island, it's adeserted island.
She's going to go live there byherself for the remainder of
her days, okay, but we're goingto give her some things to carry
her through.
So, uh, by her request.
So what food are you going totake on the Island with you?

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Oh, I guess I would take eggs, cause they're the
perfect protein and I can fixthem in a lot of different ways.
Probably should take a chickenso that the chicken can keep
producing them, so I will have aconstant source of perfect
protein.

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
All right, okay, all right.
What kind of candy bar are yougoing to take?

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
Yeah, the hundred grand is my favorite candy bar
and you can only Hundred grandreally.
Yes, and that's the tax my kidsalways had to pay at Halloween
is mom gets a hundred grand outof the candy bags.
My husband took a whole bunchof things.
I just wanted-.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
I'm so old that I remember when they were actually
called a $100,000 bar, not ahundred grand.
That's how old I am.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Yeah, Then you have a $6 million man.
But that really meant somethingback then.
Now that's nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
Exactly.
That means nothing now.
Okay, what book are you goingto take to read the remainder of
your days?

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
Oh, I'm taking the Bible.
It's new.
I'm going to read the remainderof your days.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
Oh, I'm taking the Bible, it's new.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
I'm going to read it.
I mean, it's got everything.

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
Got the answers to all your questions.
All you got to do is just turnto the right page, and that
answer is probably going to beon multiple pages.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
I mean, I'm the person like when I'm reading it.
I just let it fall open andalways lands on whatever I need
and it's the coolest craziestthing ever about the living word
on whatever I needed.
It's the coolest craziest thingever about the living word.
Everybody should try thatsometime.
You just sling it open and readit.
You'd be like for real God, youknew that's what I needed to
know.
Okay, thanks.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
As long as you're not opening the King James Version,
because I don't know if anyonecan understand that one Okay,
James, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
It's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
Okay, no, no, I have to break it down to something in
simpler terms like the NIV orthe NASB.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
It's the NIV.
They wokefied it in 2012 andthey stripped out language that
they deemed to be offensive.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Okay, well.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Very careful.
The English Standard Version,the ESV, is a really good one to
use.
That's better than the KingJames.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
Our pastor reads out of the NASB 1995 version that's
a great very good for theoriginal Hebrew translation.
So actually what I did is Istopped taking my Bible my NIV
Bible to church because itdidn't sync up exactly, and I
just opened it up on my phonenow so I can scribble in my
study guide while he's giving asermon.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
but I said go get yourself a real one too, ben,
because if the censorship regimecontinues to monkey around with
things, any digital version canbe manipulated, but the one
that you have printed at thehouse is safe and secure.
But, um, y'all be careful withthat, niv man, you gotta be
careful when they start.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Listen to this right here.
What great words.
Great words, great advice.
But it always seems that everySunday, the sermon is always
just, it's always right on, it'salways what you need, it's what
you need.
So, all right, let's see nextone.
Okay, so what?
Cd or album?
If you want a turntable, I'llget you a turntable.

(01:24:00):
So what are you going to taketo the island?

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Oh, that's really really hard, because I love
music.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
Yeah, earlier you said you were big into Duran,
duran, duran.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Duran Rio is probably the best album of all time, but
if I take the Statler brothersbest of, I can sing along.
I love Statler brothers.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
I only have one.
I think I'm going to go withDuran Duran Rio.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
Okay, all right, I'm not going to, I'm not going to
argue with that one.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
I I do what I did.
I had my tiger beat magazineswith Simon Lebon pulled out and
taped to my wall.
You probably didn't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
Not with Duran.
Duran I didn't, but I did itwith Kiss.
Kiss was my first huge band.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
Do you know to me, gene, my husband and I our son
was in a marching band at thehigh school.
The high school's fundraiserwas to work the outdoor concerts
.
We had to go sell beer at theconcerts to raise money for the
band and we would go for Kissand our tent that was over our
beer selling area had collapsed.

(01:25:05):
Well, gene is like six feettall, he's really tall, and he
and the band were walkingthrough and he fixed the little
tent and just kind of wanderedoff and then the guy behind him
was coming.
I was like, and then he handedme a guitar pick and so I have
it.
So I have a guitar pick, nice.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
He can be a very nice guy when he wants to be.
Yes, absolutely no, I love the.
I love those guys, Love thoseguys.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
It happens when nobody else is watching that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
That's when you can gauge who somebody is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, Iwholeheartedly agree.
Not when you're taking a selfieas you're handing a check to
somebody or whatever you know.
But, um, okay, so let's getback, let's get back, let's get
back to the deserted island yeah, let's get back to the island
questions.
Okay, what movie are you gonnatake to watch?

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
oh, I'm let's see.
I guess I'll take the PrincessBride.
It's the perfect movie.
Okay, all right, but it mightalso be Dirty Dancing, because I
love that movie too.
It's got the best soundtrackever.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
You know, look, I know I'm a dude, but I'm a dude,
but I do.
I did like Dirty Dancing.
I do think it's a fine movie.
I really, really enjoy it.
And the uh, the, the, thesoundtrack is.
It really is good, it's a goodsoundtrack, it's a good
soundtrack.
So sorry if that makes me lessthan, but whatever, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
Um, we own Patrick Swayzeze because he's he was a
universal king.
And what a, what a tragic lossto lose patrick swayze, so young
wonderful human, wonderfulactor, and yeah no husband,
athletically gifted, good actor,all the things yeah, so I know

(01:26:53):
I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
I guess, if I had, if I had to take a Patrick Swayze
movie, I'm probably going totake Roadhouse, though you watch
that every time it comes on TV,which is literally every other
day tell him to call me nexttime.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
It's on we'll like to talk Roadhouse with you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
I'll turn it on over here.
He can turn it on over thereand we'll just watch it together
.
Okay, all right.
Last one on the islandquestions One person, past or
dead or alive, that you can takefor conversational purposes
only.
Who is that going to be?

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
Oh, Thomas Sowell the economist, I love him Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
He's brilliant and I love brilliant people and I
would love to just sit and digand dig and dig with him.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
That's why you came on this podcast because you love
brilliance.
Oh, that's great.
Okay, all right.
I wouldn't have expected thatone, so that's great.
And you know Everybody expectsJesus.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
but I've got the Bible for my Jesus so I can hit
the other side of my nerve brain.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
Well, not only that, that is exactly right.
That's him speaking to you andwe can talk to him all the time
anyway.
So, yeah, exactly.
So, uh, all right, one more one, one more, one more little
little game, this or that, okay,this or that.
I hope you're having fun withthis because you are smiling.
So this or that doesn't meanthat you like one, doesn't

(01:28:22):
doesn't mean that you like oneand you don't like the other.
Just you can like them both,but you got to choose.
All right, beatles or stones.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
Beatles.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
Okay, cheeseburgers or pizza.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Cheeseburgers.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
Okay, cake or pie.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Cake, so easy.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
Okay, the beach or the lake.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
Oh, the beach Really.
Okay, you can say beach ormountains, and then I would be
very torn because my heart's inthe mountains but my body likes
being at the beach.
But at a lake that water'sslimy and gross.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
Oh see, I mean like California guy, but give me to a
lake any old time, because, see, I don't surf but I love to
water ski and I love tokneeboard.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
So give me out there on the lake I like to sit at the
edge of the surf and watch mysand.
My feet kind of sink into thesand with the waves and watch my
chair sink all the way in.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
Okay.
All right All right, okay, lastone day or night day.
All right, all right, cool, look, this has been absolutely

(01:29:42):
wonderful and it's everything Iwas hoping it would be.
So I honestly, lee, I can't, Ijust can't say thank you enough
for for rushing home from themountains, um, and the aquarium
too, and, and you know, gettingsettled in and and taking the
time to to do this with me.
It's been an absolute treat.
So if you would hang out for me, hang out with me just while I

(01:30:04):
close up shop, and then we'llfinish up, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
No, thank you so much .
Oh, but before people, patriotrelieforg, or if you hit the old
website patriotrelieffundcom,you're the one that's going to
take you to where you need to be.
If you would like to makedonations to Lee's efforts to
help out the people of NorthCarolina and that whole entire

(01:30:30):
region that got slammed byHurricane Helene last year.
Okay, there's still people inneed of a lot of stuff and I
know that you and I, lee, we'regoing to be friends moving
forward on this, anyway, okay,so don't forget that
patriotrelieffundcom orpatriotrelieforg, all right.

(01:30:51):
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