Fourrrr

Ever been caught between a golf ball and a hard place—or rather, a hungry alligator? I sure have, and it's just one of the wild tales we're sharing in our latest foray into the maddening, yet magical world of golf. Together with golf aficionado Bobby, who went from teeing off casually to outright obsession, we peel back the layers of this sport where camaraderie on the green can turn friends into frenemies and vice versa, depending on whose ball lands in the drink.

From the lush fairways of Bay Hill to the raucous crowds of the Waste Management Phoenix Open, we recount the journeys that have turned golf from a simple game into a lifestyle. We chat about how a round of golf can be the perfect escape or the ultimate stress test, delve into the psychology of the sport, and share some pro tips on syncing schedules for that elusive round with pals. Plus, we don't leave out the nitty-gritty of golfing amongst the gators or the anticipation stirring in our bellies for the 'Happy Gilmore' sequel—because who doesn't love a good laugh?

Wrapping things up, our conversation swings into the elegance of golf traditions and how they're evolving right before our eyes. From the links to the 19th hole, we examine the unwritten rules that keep the game classy, yet we ponder the shifting sands of golf attire, asking whether polos are still par for the course. So, pull up a golf cart, grab your favorite club, and join us for an episode that promises to entertain, enlighten, and maybe even improve your handicap.

Episode Transcript

Kenny (00:09):
Welcome to the Bender Continues podcast.
On today's episode we're goingto dive into a game that has
exploded in popularity over thelast four years.

James (00:19):
We're talking about a sport where in one moment you
could have hit your best shotand just feel on top of the
world.
But following up next effortcan cripple your confidence and
just have you questioningeverything about your life.
Many would say that the mentalbattle is more straining than
the physical toll on thosetrials and tribulations.

Ryan (00:43):
This game can offer a sanctuary where players can
escape the hustle and bustle ofeveryday life, sharing laughs
with close friends and alsofueling their competitive
spirits long past their prime.
Today, folks, we're talkingabout golf Four Sometimes we say
that too often.

James (01:03):
Hey, listen, that's like a two-off Ryan should have said
it once, because he hit my dadI've hit, I've gotten hit yeah
but that was on purpose.

Kenny (01:11):
That was on purpose.

Ryan (01:13):
I've hit your father.
I hit the cart in front of usand gave him a beer.
Oh, that's right.
A couple people have been in mypath, that's right, but you
know what that means is I can'treach him.
No way, ryan, go ahead and teeoff.
Okay, maybe not your dad.
Your dad was a chipped shot.
Yeah, that was, it was goingonto the green.

James (01:29):
He was just walking onto the green.
That's a great shot then.
You were short Pin was in theback there, and so was the ball.
Just my dad's back.

Kenny (01:42):
Well, you guys play a lot .
I mean, you guys play a decentamount.

James (01:45):
Yeah, yeah, the amount of money.
I've spent on golf.

Kenny (01:49):
How often do you think you play?

Ryan (01:51):
I try to play once a month .

Kenny (01:53):
Once a month.

Ryan (01:54):
That's a goal.
Now sometimes it varies becauseI'll play two or three times a
month and then I won't play fora couple months.
I think more probably januaryto august I'll play.
I try to play at least once amonth, maybe twice, but then
august to december footballseason that it goes down I would

(02:14):
like to play more.

Kenny (02:15):
I mean, if I was closer to you guys, I think that I
would play more with you.
I think that's half the.
The issue is like you just needto give.
Going to play golf by yourselfis not the well.
Some people do it a lot, somepeople yeah, it's not the it's
not gonna lead me into the sportmore to go play by myself.

Ryan (02:34):
But if you guys were going once a month and you're like,
hey, come on, let's go, and thenI would probably jump into that
, I'd be more likely to jumpinto that and go play with you,
except for the fact it's two anda half hours away we had a good
stretch in orlando, maybe lastyear, where we were getting out
the three of us at least myself,james and johnny monthly, um,
so yeah, and then the otherthing is, when you do invite me,

(02:54):
you go to like a three-dayfucking tournament.

James (02:56):
I'm not I can't go from playing.
No, that was one.

Kenny (02:58):
No golf to six games of golf in two days, like you guys
are insane.
It was one time.

Ryan (03:03):
Here comes the extreme.
You got Bobby now.

Kenny (03:08):
Yeah, now and then Between Bobby Dylan and I.
I think we'll start to go alittle bit more.

Ryan (03:12):
If y'all recall, Bobby was our first caller guest Called
in a couple episodes ago.

James (03:19):
Talk about someone that flip of a switch to turn into a
golf maniac.

Ryan (03:21):
Yeah.

James (03:22):
Goodness but.

Kenny (03:26):
We have friends that um played collegiate golf but and
they asked us to go to the onthe course all the time and I'm
not going no these kids are like.
I mean they played, I don'tknow, I guess, division one like
a top top school collegiategolf.
I mean they're just gonna crushus.
Oh just, I'm not even gonna.
It'd be two holes.
I'll be like, all right, I'mdone, it's not fun no, someone's

(03:47):
really good and you're reallybad.

James (03:49):
It's that's it gets amazing at golf well, what was
it, ryan?
The mental battle is morestring than the physical toll
dude 100 like.

Ryan (03:57):
But that's also what keeps you coming back.
You had it 17 horrific holes.
You're pissed off the entireday and then you finish with a
great hole, the entire mentalchallenge is gone.

James (04:10):
It's like, oh, I'm all happy again.
It's the worst, but it's thebest.

Kenny (04:14):
We're in the best area for golf.

Ryan (04:16):
Florida yeah 100%.
Jupiter, west Palm South.

Jonny (04:19):
Florida.

Ryan (04:21):
There's so many beautiful courses, the amount of pro
golfers that live here.

James (04:24):
Oh man, 100% florida.

Ryan (04:25):
There's so many beautiful courses the amount of pro
golfers that live here.
Just yeah, yeah, 100.
No, I think, having living inflorida, we 100 have the
opportunity to get out there asmuch as possible year round if
we choose.
Um, I mean, the joke is right.
You drive to the west coast offlorida all the retirement homes
and whatnot, there's a golfcourse every other street light.
It feels um.

James (04:45):
So we definitely have that opportunity, which is nice
yeah, yeah, florida golf coursesare a specific type of golf
course too.
Okay, um a lot of water or more, so for sure a hundred percent.
So a hundred percent.

(05:05):
So I mean you, I've been toother golf courses in other
states and they just, they justdon't have as much water we have
.
I mean, it's all swamp landlike we've, all we have is just
water here.
So when they build these golfcourses, they use that as to
like to retain water.
You know, because especiallyfor flooding, that's one of the
biggest things.

Kenny (05:24):
I'm trying to think of the other courses that we've
been to outside of Florida.

James (05:30):
I mean, you've been to the Arizona golf course we went
to for Ryan's bachelor party.
That's where you got hit.

Ryan (05:36):
Kenny, maybe that's why you don't remember the whole.

Kenny (05:38):
That course was beautiful A little fuzzy for you.

James (05:41):
It was a desert so there wasn't much water out there.
And then we played in Brooklynfor Johnny's bachelor party.

Ryan (05:54):
That was a trek.

Jonny (05:55):
Sure was it was a good time, we did not make all 18.

James (05:58):
No absolutely not Diker Heights.
Funny enough, I actually didn'trealize this when we booked it.
My grandpa grew up there,that's where he was born and
raised, kind of deal dykerheights.
Funny enough, I actually didn'trealize this when we booked it.
Um, my grandpa grew up there,that's where he was like born
and raised, kind of deal, um,and when we went it was his
birthday.
So I gave him a call, you know,gave him a happy birthday.
He's like, yeah, we're gonnaplay golf today.
He's like where are you gonnaplay?
We're like we're playing inbrooklyn.
He's like you're playing atdyker heights.
I was like, yeah, so I ended upgetting him a golf shirt for

(06:20):
for him from that uh.
Yeah, that was kind of cool.
It was a kind of cool momentHis older brother used to
bartend at the 19th hole, whichis another thing that's at like
every golf course.
Such a cliche at this point.
What about hole zero?
Let's try that one out.
No.
Maybe, yeah, but the warm-upThat'd be good.

Kenny (06:40):
The warm-up Start there yeah.

Ryan (06:45):
What do you guys drink the ?
What's those drinks?
Transfusion, transfusion onlyon a golf course.

James (06:48):
Yeah, you guys drink a lot of those, so good but let me
tell you the nicest golf courseI've ever played was up in
montana podunk town, small, likeyou know, one stoplight type
situation.
It's in eureka, montana.
It's called the wilderness club.
Holy crap, played it before ummy childhood friend's wedding.

(07:10):
It was unbelievable.
Unbelievable, of course, youknow me.
I had to ship my clubs out,yeah was that a southwest?

Ryan (07:19):
was that a southwest flight was?

James (07:21):
it free expensive, it's fine.
No, just Southwest.
I get it for free, whatever.
But anyways, what was yourquestion it was about?
If you shipped them out onSouthwest, yeah, southwest,
southwest no.

Kenny (07:33):
Where did we go that you were the only person?
Oh, vegas, that was Vegas.
Vegas we played in.

James (07:36):
Vegas.
We did in the strip, though nowI don't know I'd love to play
at um, johnny, what is it?

Ryan (07:49):
the golf course, the two, the win, yeah the win, the win,
the win, holy shit.
Shell out some fucking dollarsfor that.

James (07:53):
They got a fucking waterfall on like 18 or
something.

Ryan (07:56):
It's gorgeous, it's absolutely gorgeous now back to
montana with it like it's onlyopen for a couple months out of
the year, right?

James (08:04):
so I don't know, like brooklyn we played in, I think
may.
Um, it's, it's really close tocanada, like the border was like
20 minute drive away.
Yeah, well it's got to get cold, so I would assume.

Ryan (08:17):
Yeah, it's got to get cold .
It's fucking montana kenny youcan't.

Jonny (08:21):
How many oceans are there ?

Kenny (08:24):
I didn't get that wrong.

Ryan (08:25):
I asked that because my brother that's where Joe's from.
My brother when he switchedjobs he did a training session
in Wisconsin for six months, buthe said some of the golf
courses there, some of thenicest he's played at.
So it just seems that thenorthern feel, you know, kind of
offers that, which is a littlesurprising for us being in
Florida with having access to somany golf courses.

(08:45):
And then you go up north tosome of these.
It's a different dynamic, justthe grass I I, this is different
.

James (08:51):
I agree the grass, but also like how they design the
courses, are a lot nicer where,um, the rough and then you go
into kind of like the out ofbalance portion is more just
like forest, but without a bunchof crap on the grounds, where
in florida we've got bushes andthis and that and this freaking
you know weed growing and this.

(09:11):
It's just absolutely.
You can never find your ball.
The minute you go towards thetrees it's gone right, like
that's kind of the deal.
You go in the trees up in someof these other courses and you
have some space someone at thistable knows a lot about hitting
the trees hey, hey, hey.

Ryan (09:24):
He also knows a lot about the rough.
I believe you played at ArnoldPalmer.

James (09:28):
Did a couple years ago and at Bay.

Ryan (09:29):
Hill and the rough you were telling us was.

Jonny (09:31):
You're deep in the rough.
It's grabbing.
You're hacking a lot of grassand just hoping and praying.
And then when you do hit theball and make a little contact,
it goes about five feet and thenit just goes more into the
rough a little bit further.
Yeah, trees, though.
We love some good old trees,winter pines, baby.

James (09:50):
Winter pines, baby, yes, that's a good one.
That's the OG.
We haven't played there in along time.
Dude the prices are.

Ryan (09:55):
It is over $50 at Winter.

Jonny (09:57):
Pines now.

Ryan (10:00):
Yes, changed some things around, though a couple buddies
have told me that they've beenpumping some money into it.
Um, it was kind of already anice course for being cheap,
surprisingly very busy in themiddle of orlando, so I'd be
excited to play it again.

James (10:12):
However, you got to bring a foursome, got to yeah, yeah,
there's a lot of nice courses inorlando.
There's a lot of nice coursesall over florida.
So I mean, florida is obviouslywhere we played the most.
Yeah, um, it's, it's.
You could play all year roundit.
Honestly, it's crazy how muchthe freaking prices spike
towards the winter and yeah, andalso getting tea times is
really difficult.

(10:33):
Yeah, yeah, you really got to beon, on it out some, some
courses will let you do like twoweeks in advance, but basically
every course is like a week inadvance yeah, it's, it's crazy,
and if you're not on it yeah Iwant to turn it back to you
talking about the floridacourses.

Ryan (10:46):
Water right.
Water brings gators, and youtalked about.
You talked about gramps, though, earlier yeah, there's a golf
moment that I'll never forget,where gramps legend he's.
I think it's 17 at lake placidyeah, yeah and he's teeing off.
He's got a gator maybe wherejohn and I are to to you two
just chilling with, doesn't evenpay attention to it, og hits

(11:10):
one just center yeah, straightin the middle of the fairway.

James (11:13):
No, I'm telling you a legend two, two feet away from
him, maybe huge, big one, not ababy, a big mama six to eight
feet.
Yeah easy, just sunning, justchillingning, just chilling
Right on the tee box and he justwalks up nonchalant, doesn't
care.
I'm going to the back of thefreaking cart grabbing a club,
just in case I got to beat theshit out of freaking Wally the
Gator over here.
Yeah, I agree, that's a lot ofGators, a lot of Gators, and

(11:47):
sometimes they'll remove themthem, but sometimes they just
let them be because they don'treally bother anybody.
Um, yeah, there's a.
There's a lot of famous uh likevideos of like you just see
like a giant gator just walkingacross a golf course in florida.
It's kind of insane.

Ryan (11:57):
I feel like it's happened on a couple.
I feel like it's happened atbay hill a couple times on the
pga tour yeah well did it happen?

Jonny (12:03):
remember we're at shingle creek, and there's the, the
gator his cousin.
Yes, in the in the sand yourcousin in the sand, that's oh,
that's right, thomas.
Yeah, it's a legama thing, yeah, yeah just chill, I'm just
gonna knock this ball out thesand real quick, even though it
was a gator three, four feetaway from me like it was nothing
.
I'm just like what dude?

James (12:24):
I mean, the most famous gator of all time has to be the
one that took Chubbs' hand.
Ah, chubbs.

Kenny (12:29):
RIP for Chubbs.
That's a big one, aren't they?

Jonny (12:32):
making another.
Stop, they're making another.

Kenny (12:35):
I heard they got approved , or something like that.

Jonny (12:37):
Adam Sandler ain't playing around.

Ryan (12:39):
He's doing it, I think god , oh yeah, he's playing jobs
what is, what is he?
Going to be the coach now.
It's in development for sure itwould.

Kenny (12:47):
If adam sandler is not in it, it wouldn't.
It wouldn't go.
No, I wouldn't hit.
Of course you got to have ahappy gilmore production like
there's no way to have that, ohthat thing's gonna kill it.

James (12:57):
Wow.
Okay, I'm excited.
I years later too.
Yeah, how many years when wasthat?

Kenny (13:01):
when did that come out?
The, I mean, it's a HappyGilmore production.

Ryan (13:04):
so oh, it's from the 90s.
It has to be, it's got to be inthe 90s.
It's a young Sandler.
Where was it filmed?
Ooh, that's a great question.

James (13:12):
I'm just curious Maybe some of the golf courses they
might have played.

Kenny (13:14):
Wouldn't be surprised.
Got to be Florida.
You think they can stage?

Ryan (13:20):
a lot of that.
Yeah, that's a good questionBetter golf movie Happy Gilmore
or Caddyshack Happy Gilmore.

James (13:27):
Happy.

Ryan (13:28):
Gilmore, it doesn't even compare, it's an OG.
Ty, we were talking aboutCaddyshack earlier, man Happy.

Jonny (13:33):
Gilmore no doubt about it , I'm going to go.

Kenny (13:35):
Caddyshack.

Jonny (13:37):
That's fair, do they?

Kenny (13:38):
have Shooter McGavin in it again.

Ryan (13:40):
I don.

Kenny (13:44):
That's going to be good, man, I mean because I think a
lot.
For the most part, most ofthose people are still in
production in some way, becausethey were so young early on when
that got produced.
So you're going to have a 2.0,and it's going to be killer.

James (14:00):
Well, while we're talking about all these different
courses, I'm just curiousbecause obviously I feel like
we've thought about where wewant to play next.
I mean, yeah, we've got Floridaand we want to obviously keep
playing, but there's probablysome bucket list places out
there that you guys have wantedto try to play around at or just
like the course just looksamazing and you just have to
play there at some time.

(14:20):
I don't know if you guys haveany bucket list courses on your
docket.

Kenny (14:25):
Well, I mean, if you watch like full swing on netflix
, um, I think that's a reallygood indicator of seeing courses
that you would never see.
Right, like, if you're not anavid, avid golfer, you're not
going to fly to europe to go oncourses and whatnot, but you
have the opportunity to seethese beautiful courses and I
think europe as a whole, um, anda lot of places that they go I

(14:48):
think you were saying scotland,right, st andrews, yeah,
beautiful, beautiful courseslike these courses are just like
.
I mean, they have just thearchitecture for the clubhouses
to like hills that areoverseeing bodies of water and
it's just amazing, like it'sgorgeous.
so I think that, uh, yeah, bigups, big props to fulling,

(15:09):
because that show is awesome,and then also the courses in
Europe would be like an awesomeplace to play.

Jonny (15:16):
Yeah, I would say.
So your question, james.
I kind of think of it in twoparts, right.
I think about where I wouldwant to play and then also where
I would want to maybe attend anactual golf event.
Okay, there, okay there I likethat and I think it's a no
brainer, obviously like Augusta.
No doubt about it.

(15:36):
The master is like it was veryclose to going last year.
Should have pulled the trigger,should have did it.
We did not, however, um,there's nothing just like
getting an egg sandwich for$1.50 over at the Masters.
The fact that the food pricesare that cheap is so cool, and
that makes it even more cheesesandwich.

(15:57):
I also think it's really coolthat there's still a venue,
wherever it is and whatever,like sport concert, where you
don't bring your phone.
There's nothing like that, thefact you cannot have your phone
there's nothing like that.
That's unique, the fact youcannot have your phone at the
masters.

Kenny (16:11):
Nope, I didn't know that I mean, it's like a whole
different world.

Jonny (16:15):
It's so cool and like that just kind of keeps that
just the the old schoolmentality and keeping the game
of golf still very similar towhere.
Hey, let's just have a tune eyeon what we're looking at.
Um, how, do they stop that.
I think you have to put it in abag or a locker and then most

(16:35):
people just don't bring it.
I don't necessarily know, to behonest, but you don't bring
your phone in, which is veryunique.
I'm sure people try to sneak in.

Kenny (16:47):
They don't want to film.

Jonny (16:47):
That's why, yeah, they don't want that now.

James (16:53):
It.
Uh, I'm sure people try tosneak in.
They don't want to film.
That's why, yeah, they don'twant that.
It's kind of like going to likenetflix stuff, like they put it
yeah, a little bag or whateverdoesn't don't we know someone?
Oh, isn't eric fogel, doesn'the have a place?

Jonny (16:58):
in augusta.
Yeah, apparently I believe his,his family or his parents lived
in the neighborhood.
Wow where?
they would get like practice, tolike tickets every year to go
to the practice, and thenthere's a lottery to either get
Thursday, friday, saturday,sunday, which is unreal, right,
yeah.
Um, one of the things that gotme into golf and it's not a
specific course is obviouslywitnessing the Ryder cup.

(17:21):
I remember watching the Rydercup I think it was two, three
years ago.
Um, that's just really coolbecause it's like that
camaraderie.
It's the team sport which, fullswing, actually did a really
good job at breaking that downfor those that maybe don't know
about golf, but yeah, it wasawesome.
I think a course I would play atthat or I would dream to play
at is either pebble beach,pinehurst or, of course, like

(17:45):
saint andrews, like that wouldbe dope and those are all like
bucket list, but yeah definitelytop three there for the masters
.

Ryan (17:52):
The reason you can't bring your phones in.
They gotta you know they can'tlet it be known about the birds.
Isn't the whole rumor?
If there's actually birds there, if they're pumping in the
sound at the masters, isn't that?

Jonny (18:01):
that is uh, that is, that is a true statement right there
.
I've actually read that and Iheard that the phones the proof.

Ryan (18:08):
Are there birds?
Are there not?
I don't know.
So maybe that's behind it.
It's just so that course isjust beautiful it's true, james
all right bucket list.

James (18:19):
Bucket list sorry um agree on.

Ryan (18:23):
If you're not into golf, full swing really breaks it down
for you.
We've watched it the last two,the first two seasons.
It always aligns right beforebay hill, which we've now gone
to the last three years.
So for my wife at least, shefeels really good about knowing
all the golfers from what webinge watch it and then go um.
But they did have rider cup,great breakdown um for me, I

(18:46):
think I want to play in hawaiiand I don't not specific course,
just any course in Hawaii it'sreally windy though.
Very windy, but I mean the views, just the water right there.

James (18:56):
That would do it for me what's the course you guys
always go near Because Morgan'sfamily has the timeshare on Maui
.

Ryan (19:04):
I don't know the course, but that's probably the best
chance.

James (19:06):
It's right by the Marriott, right, yeah, yeah,
that's probably the best chance.
It's right by the Marriott,right?
Yeah, yeah, that's a nicecourse, I mean.

Ryan (19:10):
Now I also don't know what condition it's in with all the
stuff that happened in Maui.

James (19:14):
That was in Lahaina.
I think that was up north, sothat was where the golf courses
that we're talking about is,more south right.
Did it go down there?

Ryan (19:22):
There's one in Lahaina that we, we, would always drive
by.
That, I've thought, might bethe one I could play at.
But there is also one I guessyou're right on the other side,
by the Marriott.

James (19:32):
Yeah, that's the one I was thinking of.
We stayed close to it, and Iknow you guys have talked about
that Marriott a couple times.
It's really nice.

Ryan (19:38):
Yeah, I'm with you, though , to attend, yes, masters Ryder
Cup.
It looked crazy, it lookedintense.

James (19:46):
Probably expensive as shit.

Ryan (19:47):
You probably want to go to the one on US soil.
Get more rowdy, because goingover to Europe you're in enemy
territory.

Kenny (19:53):
It looked rowdy, that guy , the blood pumping, though.

Ryan (19:57):
Oh, for sure.

Kenny (19:58):
If that doesn't get you going, damn.
It was really cool to see thatand whatnot.
I didn't really know much aboutthe Ryder Cup prior to watching
it on full swing.
I knew of the rider cup but Ididn't really.
I've never watched anythingabout it so I didn't really dive
deep into that.
But they break it down reallygood.
Show you the behind the scenes.
Show you the process that theseguys are going through, which

(20:20):
is pretty grueling throughoutthe year because a lot of
pressures on them yeah and um.
It also helped you understand,like, how the positioning worked
in it, because obviouslythere's the points based, based
uh, players that get in, um thatare basically in because of
their performance for the seasonyeah then the other ones that
are selected, which is just,it's just cool.
It's literally like the fuckingolympics.

Ryan (20:41):
It's awesome talk about the energy levels.
I was watching a clip on theway here of it was a couple
years ago, but it was BrysonFirst hole and he just puts it
on the green.

Jonny (20:51):
Oh, he piped the ball he piped it.

Ryan (20:53):
People are going fucking nuts.
I'm sitting on the train comingdown going fucking nuts.
It's a cool experience, man.
It'd be awesome for us to go inperson.

Jonny (21:01):
That was at the 2021 Ryder Cup right In Wisconsin.
Yeah.

James (21:11):
It's pretty, so funny.
I used to, um, so I've beenbrought up in golf for a while
now.
Uh, I played since middleschool like I.
Actually, my grandparents gotme lessons.
That was one of the biggestthings because they lived on a
uh, I guess, a private course,uh, part of their like big
neighborhood, so they had, youknow, only they could bring
people on.
Uh, my uncle was one of the uhgolf pros there, so he's the one
actually taught me how to play.
But anyways, long story short, Iused to sit at their house and

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there'd be golf on tv and it wasso boring, so boring and like I
was like man.
Every sunday we come here fordinner I gotta watch golf and
it's just like oh, great hit,wow, tiger with that putt, very
good, very good, and I'm justlike this is so, and now, all of
a sudden, it's insane.

(21:54):
But nevertheless, just wantedto share my bucket list real
quick.
I agree with all you guys, whatyou guys said, but two that
haven't been said.
I really want to go to Whistler, canada.
Ooh, that'd be good.
They've got a couple of coursesthat I'd like to play like kind
of like multiple rounds at, andthen I just our guy, steve Cook
, st George, utah.

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Something about like the GrandCanyon-esque, like really high
elevation golf shots with the,you got the brown and then the
green grass.
It just looks really cool.
Aesthetically it looks awesome.

Ryan (22:29):
Maybe that's also what the Northern courses bring.
Is that elevation that we justdon't have?
That we're flat in Florida?
Yeah, that's true.
So we're Hilly, yeah.

Kenny (22:37):
One thing that um an experience in the golf world
that we took part in, which wasis now renamed, but the Honda
classic.
Honda Classic, that was anevent that we went to together.
That was really awesome, yep,and that was.

James (22:49):
It's no longer called the Honda Classic anymore.

Kenny (22:50):
No now it's called the the Cogent.
What is?

James (22:52):
it Cogent, what is Cogent ?

Kenny (22:54):
Cogent.
It's like a tech company orsomething like that.
Yeah, good.
So yeah, I mean now it's notcalled the Honda Classic, but
when was really cool and I didnot realize how much is put into
the sporting event, uh,particularly the honda classic,
because that was the one that wewent to.

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But I could not imagine a liveevent like, uh, masters or rider
cup, I mean, where it gets evenmore rowdy.
I mean this year, I think, forfor one, you saw how rowdy
things got with the wastemanagement uh, yeah, uh
tournament this year, which wasin many cases like kind of put
to a halt because there was alot of people and a lot of

(23:37):
people drinking very heavily, sothat that is a tournament that
gets pretty crazy.
And I would like to see you knowthe waste management kind of
infrastructure, because I thinkit's nuts compared to a lot of
other events.
But compared to other sportingevents, because I've been to,
and we've all been to baseballgames, football games, ufc
fights, um, everything, I meanany type of game I feel like

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we've we've basically all beento at one point in our lives.
But golf tournaments competelike at a high level with a lot
of these, and I think maybe moreso now as it's picked up speed
and as more people started toplay the sport.
I mean, how many people go tothese tournaments?
Massive amounts.
I don't know how many peoplewere at waste management, but

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that was one of the reasons whythey had to shut down.
I think the alcohol sales andwhatnot at the event.
So it's picking up, it'sgetting crazy.
And I think the alcohol salesand whatnot at the event.
So it's picking up, it'sgetting crazy.
And I think it competes withsome of the largest stages out
there.

Ryan (24:34):
So we went to Bay Hill, which is about a month after the
Arn Palmer.
Invitational a month afterwaste management and they
changed the alcohol policies PGAdid and they said strictly
because of what happened atwaste management, their cutoff
is a lot sooner Because beforewe I remember last year we were
there the they're done like thelast group is finished and we're

(24:55):
still at the uh kettle one barhanging out, but I think what
was it?
Four o'clock, they were cuttingoff yeah, so on.

Jonny (25:01):
On friday is when I found out, and we went saturday too,
but yeah friday they stoppedserving like 4, 4, 30 which is
absurd, like very unique.
Unique compared to again lastyear.
It was dark and we were stillgetting drinks.

Ryan (25:14):
But it's a direct reaction to the waste management.

Kenny (25:17):
But it makes me think that the stage for just golf,
large golf events as a whole.
Right, you know how many peoplecan go into a football stadium.
There's a certain amount ofseats.
You know how many people can gointo a football stadium.
There's a certain amount ofseats.
You know how many people can gointo a baseball stadium?
There's a certain amount ofseats.
Or a UFC fight there's acertain amount of seats.
What's their cap on a lot ofthese?
Because it's outdoors, peopleare moving around, people are

(25:39):
walking.
They're not really sitting atall, I mean there are seats in
some of the spots, but how arethey regulating the amount of
people going into these events,because it's a completely
different game than really anyother sport it's also a lot
longer than a single game ohyeah football.

James (25:56):
Definitely, you could be there from sun up sundown.
Yeah, easy, like we did.
Yeah, we closed the bar, wehelped them pack up and take out
the trash, and it's multipledays.

Ryan (26:05):
Most of these things oh yeah, three, four days, usually,
depending on which saturday,sunday thursday, friday,
saturday, sunday, things likethat.

Kenny (26:12):
So I mean it's multiple days, not that everyone's going
to every single day, but it's adifferent, uh different style of
a large stage event than theothers like it competes with.
But the point is it's gettingbig and it's getting big fast,
potentially too fast.

Jonny (26:30):
Yeah, I think it's safe to say there's been companies
that or organizations that havestruggled while the pandemic was
happening.
I think it's safe to say thePGA definitely leveled up and
found a niche during that timewhen everyone was at home.
I also think because in certainareas and in Florida I was

(26:52):
reading up on this the other dayIn Florida we weren't really
impacted as much because ofclosures and whatnot and golf
was always open, right, but alot of northern states and a lot
of other states that had morestrict rules where people
weren't able to play golf.
What that did was push morepeople to play golf in 2021.
And that's where you saw thatlarge growth and kind of that

(27:14):
following within the PGA.
But it's it's on a differentlevel and I think, as all
organizations need to adapt andreally follow, like what the
trends are, they are tappinginto a younger target market,
which it's not so much that oldman you know sport or following
as much as it was.
It's still there, um, butthere's just a younger

(27:37):
demographic and like for thewaste management to be one of
the biggest like spots forbachelor parties, like just
shows you how, like nuts and I Iknow like one thing, like pga
has tried to stay away from is,like you know, that live fun
vibe, having live music.
But there's more and morecourses now that are doing that
in the pga, so it's just unique.
Um, it's changing I think, it'sgreat for golf.

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Now is it a little crazy that,like you, have to stop serving
alcohol because of the amount ofkids and people getting
hammered at the waste management?
Pretty crazy story.
But um, and then that obviouslyhave an impact at five o'clock
at the arnold palmer five, fouror five weeks later, yeah, uh,
it's interesting, but stillstill pretty unique.

Ryan (28:20):
You talk about waste management I mean now with the
nfl and that additional buy.
It literally falls.
I believe the last two yearsnow it falls on the same weekend
as the super bowl.
There was one year that thesuper bowl, it was the same
weekend in arizona so it is, itis rivaling the super bowl and
we missed it.
We did, but just it adds to thepopularity.
I think one cool thing about alive golf event is every ticket

(28:44):
is vip.
I mean you can, you are soclose to these professional
players, whether they're teeingoff or putting or whatever, and
you don't have to pay for courtside.
You don't have to pay for firstrow pricing, it's just general
admission and you can be, youknow, an arm's length away and
just experience that.
So that's a pretty cool dynamicthat it brings.

Kenny (29:04):
I just looked this up.
Um now, according to TPCScottsdale, the Waste Management
Open is described as the bestattending golf tournament in the
world, with more than 700,000fans in attendance each year.
Now, of course, it's amulti-day event, but 700,000.
I mean, if you think about thebiggest football stadium, you're

(29:26):
probably….

James (29:26):
That's seven games.
You're at the biggest ones yeah, 100,000.

Jonny (29:31):
And pushing yeah, which doesn't happen.

Kenny (29:33):
Every single game that's, and that's like that's not even
nfl, that's college state likethe michigan yeah states and
that's lsu one game event oneday, and that's if, if they sell
out which I mean is insane 700000 people is ridiculous.
I mean that's like so fuckingclose to a million we recently
did it we gotta get to a million.

James (29:54):
We gotta get to it.

Kenny (29:56):
We recently did an episode about you know ultra
attendance and some of theselike edc and things like that,
and they don't even have 700 000and that's like multi-stages.
They rent the entire city Likeit's crazy.
So $700,000.

Ryan (30:12):
You just don't think about it because, like you said, it's
free-flowing, like there's notreally a true tracker.
It could be more than thatthere's just people flowing.
I mean, I know we were askingourselves at Arnold Palmer
people just walk in, likethere's so many different gaps
for that.

Kenny (30:26):
Yeah, gaps, it's hard that.
Yeah, I mean you're talkingabout an entry point of like how
many places where you can enter, uh, any type of golf course.
Yeah, I mean they try to dotheir best to cap that.

Jonny (30:36):
But yeah difficult so I just looked up how many people
were in like proximity and areaduring the super bowl.
The number was a guesstimatedaround 300 000 people, could you
imagine.
So that is on a sunday, andthen ty and let's just say a
hundred thousand people onsunday for the waste management

(30:58):
that is a lot of traffic and alot of people in that area, that
city.
That's crazy.
Great for the numbers.
I did not realize the companiesaround there.
Yeah, 700 000, that's a lot, Imean, and that's not even
counting people that probablycome in that don't actually go,
but are there.

Kenny (31:07):
yeah, I did not realize Great for the companies around
there.

Jonny (31:08):
Yeah, 700,000 is insane.

Kenny (31:09):
That's a lot, I mean, and that's not even counting people
that probably come in, thatdon't actually go, but are there
?

James (31:14):
for different reasons.

Kenny (31:15):
So, like you said, you looked up around.
There are certain people thatdon't have the tickets but still
are involved with thefestivities around it.
That was like 700,000 people inattendance.

Jonny (31:25):
That's nuts.

James (31:30):
So I mean they usually bring a million around it's
insane, crazy.

Ryan (31:34):
Kenny, you talked about the Honda Classic, so James and
I actually had the opportunityto play there as part of like a
boys golf trip.
So we basically our friendsEric Fitzgerald and Tanner
Moeller got us an in and we dida.
Was it three days of?

James (31:49):
golf Thursday to Sunday.
But yeah, thursday to Sunday.
So we came in on.
There was actually five roundsof golf.
We ended up playing.

Ryan (31:57):
Yeah.
So I just think that those, theboys and golf trips, I think
that's the future, right?
We got our bachelor parties andthey're starting to fizz out.
What's the next excuse to?
Hey, sweetie, let's get aweekend together.
The boys are going out.
Oh yeah, we're going to go playsome golf, for sure.
Then the late night festivitieshappen.

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So I'm excited to see maybethat next phase of life play out
.
I think it's going to be withgolf trips.

Kenny (32:25):
It would be a good one.
I mean, that isn't uncommonalready.

Ryan (32:29):
People have done that in the past and you've always heard
there's so many differentvideos out there that are like
yeah, golf trip for the boys,and then it's just the boys
having a hell of a time golfdigest your golf.

Jonny (32:40):
They're just, they're great.

James (32:42):
Undefeated those posts what they put out.

Ryan (32:45):
However, we definitely would play golf oh yeah, I'm not
saying we wouldn't, we would.
Yeah, we just might have beshort we just might not be
playing.

James (32:52):
Yeah as many or yeah, you're right, might miss that
first morning tea time after anight out, um, but it was a cool
time playing on the hondaclassic.
I mean it's a challenging course.
We got to play the championshipcourse twice, one in the rain,
which wasn't the greatestexperience, but then we had the,
but we we make it into atournament, right, right.
So like we bring like 16 guys,um, people pay in for for, um,

(33:18):
uh, tournament winningsessentially, and and it's a
whole different system going onthere's side bets and all this
stuff alcohol, I mean, dinnersand stuff.
I mean it's a whole, the wholenine yards.
It's practically a production.
Um, it's a lot, the whole nineyards.
It's practically a production.
It's a lot of fun.
It's grueling, though I feltlike I was at two days again.
Yeah, I mean I had to bring thefoam roller, the percussion
massager, the bands to help mestretch.

(33:39):
I mean we were putting ourshoes and socks out on the
balcony so they can freaking,you know get soaked up all the
rain and sweat.

Ryan (33:52):
The room doesn't smell either and I was snoring my ass
off.
I mean, you then recreated thatfor our friend group in Lake
Placid last year.

James (33:58):
Yeah, which honestly you could do it in any city.
You just need maybe threecourses in a weekend, play a
back-to-back on Saturday andthen you play one on Sunday and
you can structure so manydifferent types games.
Golf isn't just what's thelowest score I can put on the on
the course, right.
You can do team challenges.
You can do a variety ofdifferent types of scoring

(34:20):
mechanisms.
I mean, you got match play, yougot scramble, you got best ball
.
You've got a couple of otherthings that are out there, like
one played I played recently.
It is called Lone Wolf orsomething like that, something
around that name title.
We've played Daytona whateverwith Tanner and Fitz, where you
count the scores differentlybased off of if you get par or
not.

(34:40):
It's a whole thing.
It's a lot of fun.
It creates competitiveness.
You try to.
You got handicapped, so there'sa little bit more of a fairness
play that comes with golf.

Ryan (34:50):
You can come to the three day event and have fun and have,
just you know, a really highhandicap and still be
competitive.

Kenny (34:55):
But I just don't, I don't .
It's not that I don't want to.
I don't have the time.

Ryan (34:59):
You don't want to hang out with us for three days?

Kenny (35:01):
No, I don't have the time to make five fucking rounds of
golf.
We didn't say five.

James (35:06):
We said three, but if anyone out there is actually
looking for maybe a template forthis, we have one for you, so
we can send it to you.
Just go ahead and hit us up.

Kenny (35:15):
If I need a template for my golf.

James (35:17):
Not for your golf, for hosting a golf tournament.

Ryan (35:20):
In a sense, you know, james has everything in Excel of
every event he's ever planned,including this template.

Kenny (35:25):
I'm going to measure your performance of a three-day
event.
This one's in words.
We're going to need 20 guys, 16.

James (35:31):
He said 16.
16.
20 gets a little crazy.
Oh shit, sorry, five tee times.

Ryan (35:37):
It's crazy.
How many mulligans do you allowin your event structure, James?

James (35:41):
Well, we actually did beerigans.
What do we call them Chullbeerigans?
What do we call them chug chug,chug chugans?

Jonny (35:51):
oh yeah, where you had to chug a beer in order to get a
mulligan.
Yeah, how many chugans you usejohn not enough um, but you were
allowed one mulligan.

James (35:57):
You just had to pay into the mulligan because, remember,
this is like there's a winnings,it's a tournament, you're
trying to compete, so you can'tjust give out free mulligans.
Not everyone uses a mulliganall the time.
Some people would, some peoplewouldn't, um and uh.
So if you, if you wanted to usea mulligan and you had to pay I
think 20 bucks, something likethat, um, so that's what we do.
But when we normally play golf,we we usually just do a

(36:18):
mulligan in the front, mulliganin the back, nine, um, sometimes
I guess you can call thebreakfast ball a mulligan, I
don't know, so question for youis a mulligan, just off the
t-box, or can you use it on thefairway?
yeah, you know what this is?
Oh, because I just had.

Jonny (36:36):
I haven't played golf in about six months and I actually
went golfing with the client theother day and it was coming
down to the wire and you gottalet the client win.
Know competitive spirits comeout a little bit.
He's got to see who he'sworking with.
Secure the bag.
He drops the second ball about40 yards away on hole 17.

(36:58):
I go, okay, Using my mulligan,I said all right.

James (37:04):
Listen, nothing will be what Tim did.

Jonny (37:08):
Oh, he's done that on the green, on the green.

James (37:11):
For a putt.
He took a mulligan, he sank it,he did and then walked away and
I think he somehow one orsomething like it helped him.
We propel him to.

Ryan (37:21):
We lost, but we played him and his and our friend kyle, so
bash.
We lost by one fucking strokeon 18, yeah, and he used a
mulligan, like on nine for aputt.
Yeah, fucking bullshit, it's,it's no, I'm a firm believer.

James (37:36):
Mulligans should only be on the t-box yes, agreed, I will
hear that, tim, I will meetsomeone halfway with a mulligan
up to um.
You know your wedge shotessentially onto the green, so
if you want to take it from teebox to before the green I'll
meet, but a putt, no chance inhell.
No chance in hell yeah it's.

Jonny (37:59):
I don't know if it's just because started really playing
more golf with you guys and wejust always mulligans off the
tee box yeah, that's it.
That's how I was taught but Inever even thought it was
possible.

Ryan (38:08):
Then we go to the fairway and then people just graduate
straight full send to the putterwell, we were at his course, so
we really couldn't.
Our home course, home rulesfine, but still it was asinine.

James (38:19):
that's like when you play monopoly else's house.
You know they got all thesefucking rules going on Bullshit.

Ryan (38:25):
Let's clap it up.
The little golf clap for Johnny, not playing for six months and
having a competitive matchthere, Johnny.

Jonny (38:30):
Well, it wasn't competitive what?

James (38:32):
do?
I mean Johnny comes outswinging, just don't put him in
the same cart with my dad.

Kenny (38:37):
Do you play golf a lot for business?
Do you play?

Jonny (38:41):
golf a lot for business, not as of late, but I typically
would be like once or twiceevery few months.
It depends on also the client,if they enjoy it.
If they enjoy it, yes.

James (38:51):
Don't you play the Disney courses a lot too?
Yeah For the client stuff, yeah.

Jonny (38:55):
Wherever they want to play, I mean it just depends.
But then again it's like, allright.
Four or five hours on a golfcourse, it's a long time.

James (39:03):
And.

Jonny (39:04):
I think you have to have a fair balance of your casual
conversation versus the businessside, versus it's a lot, and
that person also needs to bequote unquote maybe an extrovert
if they're an introvert.
So it is a lot to juggle.
It's a great time.
I love playing golf.
Golf, I love getting out withpeople, but there's usually the

(39:26):
clients and customers that areavid golfers.
So it's just naturally likelet's go out there and have a
good time, but yeah, not asoften on top of that you've got.

James (39:36):
You've got to handle your cool yeah, well, that's another
people want to see how youreact to certain situations, and
the golf course is to see howyou react to certain situations,
and the golf course is going toput you in many different
situations.
That's a good point, you don'tare you gloating when you're
kicking their ass?
Are you uh constantly teachingthem what to do, which I know is
my biggest problem?
I stopped that, so, but anyways, um uh, whether or not you're

(40:00):
throwing clubs, getting angry.

Ryan (40:06):
I've seen this man put a club into the fairway and it got
stuck.

Jonny (40:12):
He slammed the club.
But that's Florida fucking golf.
I'm sorry, man, you are makingme sound like an angry golfer
right now.

Ryan (40:21):
One time, what happens to the best of us?
That game was dug.

Kenny (40:25):
One more time, though, and probably the funniest golf
moment that I've ever had, waswhen Tim was saying how fucking
amazing his I think it was adriver and he had this driver.
He was like this fucking driver, it was a Scottsdale.
I think this driver is amazing.
I can't hit anything with this.
He's gloating about it holeafter hole and then Johnny's
like let me use it.
He goes, he fucking tees offand the head like launches.

(40:50):
I remember that dude, itfucking just like it literally
snapped off.
He used it one time.
He didn't even practice and hejust, and all of a sudden it
just broke in half.
Tim, right in front of his life, he was just like he lost his
whole game.

James (41:08):
I'll have to ask Tim about this, but I sold Tim my
driver.

Kenny (41:12):
No, this was a rented club.
It was the rented club.
He was like asking theclubhouse can I buy?

Jonny (41:19):
this club off, you guys.

James (41:20):
He was going to buy it.
He loved it.
It was a Calilair.
It was a nice green Calilair.

Kenny (41:25):
And Johnny just fucking wrecked it.
Johnny said no, you're not.

James (41:29):
Meanwhile in fucking Brooklyn we got drivers that had
dents on them, I mean.

Ryan (41:34):
Yeah, who scheduled that event?

Jonny (41:36):
It was a good time.
It was a good time, we justslept for 14 minutes.

James (41:39):
There's not many law courses.
We did sleep for 14 minutes.

Kenny (41:41):
I was actually playing really good that day.
I don't know how, but I wasdead.
I was so fucking.

James (41:49):
I've actually routinely played very well at all bachelor
parties.
There you go Extremely well.

Ryan (41:54):
We make it.
We here make it to about nine,and then we I think I play well
at those, specifically for onereason I nine.

Kenny (42:04):
And then we.
I think I play well at thosespecifically for one reason.
I think alcohol.
One through three, no, onethrough three, I am just trying
to get into things.
And then from like four throughnine, right, I play a little
pretty decent, specificallybecause my energy level can't
get past like a three, becauseI'm just completely wiped out.
So I'm like the most calmperson, probably the calmest I
can be, because I have nothingleft in me.

(42:26):
So I'm like basically justperfect for golf.
I'm just so calm I can't getmad because I just don't have it
in me.
So it's good.
I think that's why I mean itsounds makes sense.
I literally don't have it in mehalf the time.

James (42:40):
I mean when we're going I'm like it's just still waking
up it's hit or hit, hit or missfor me with once I'm starting to
like get the alcohol flowing alittle bit, you get
loosey-goosey and whether or notI'm playing good or I'm still
playing fucking awful but, yeah,I don't, I don't have that
problem, that you're thatsituation, you're talking you
didn't have enough fun the daybefore.
Oh, I did.

Kenny (43:00):
No, you didn't.

James (43:01):
Oh, I did.

Ryan (43:05):
All right, anyways, all right.
We talked about Winter Pinesand having to bring a foursome
there and if you don't you getstuck with a random golfer.
Now we've all been there whereyou just got a twosome or
threesome and there's a littleworry that, okay, are we going
to make it just us or are wegoing to get someone paired?

(43:27):
No, so what is that?
What are the dynamics?
I guess in your experience ofhaving a random added to the
group and then how?
Do you determine who sits withthe random?

James (43:38):
That is always a debate when you have the threesome,
yeah, yeah, when you got sitswith the random, that is always
a debate when you have thethreesome, yeah, whoever shows
up last.

Jonny (43:46):
That's the golden rule.
I will do this.
I'm not bougie.
I do not like to spend money onstupid stuff, but if I can
prevent having a random personpay with me I will literally
play pay for that spot.
Yes, damn I.
I just, it's just, I'm toocheap for that.
I've done it.
We've had some good times andI've had some very great
conversations with random people, but there's just Again, it

(44:08):
takes that one.

James (44:09):
Didn't we have one guy recently where we were just like
, please just go, just go playahead, because we're just that
bad.
We were like holding them back.
Maybe I was with somebody else,but this old guy, he was
striping the ball just so good,and he's like waiting for us.
We're like to find balls and hecan't hit because you know
where he's waiting on us tofucking hit and all this shit.

Ryan (44:26):
It was really that's the worst because a lot of times the
solo golfers they really andcovid, when we you know you get
your own carts.
During covid we did, we sentthe guy off.
We had a, we had threesome butwe had four total carts.
Yeah we're just like yeah, youknow you're a lot better than us
.
Why don't you just, yeah, I'lljust hit the road, just just
keep it moving?
Because it's that like you haveyour own, like you're playing

(44:47):
at your own pace.
Right, you got your own vibes,your own feel.
And then this person more timesthan not, they're a lot better
than you.
It's just, sometimes you getthat great dynamic.
It's awesome.
You know it gels, but a lot oftimes it's kind of awkward and
it's just.
We didn't want this, we didn'tsign up for this.

Kenny (45:01):
We were all excited about the round and now well, you
feel that push behind you too,like you feel them after.
Oh, fuck the people oh from thepeople behind, just forget them
.
I fucking but I hate feelingrushed hate I don't like that,
but you do feel that sometimesand that isn't.
That is part of the game andthen they don't know.

James (45:20):
it's the people in front of you.
Yeah, yeah.

Jonny (45:22):
Right, it's so annoying.
Listen.
You paid to play.
They paid just as much as you.
They can wait, yep.

James (45:29):
And you just got to tell yourself that At the end of the
day, it's on the courses.

Jonny (45:32):
They're behind me.
Got to speed up.
Yeah, the courses.

James (45:43):
And you miss a two fast the course is the moderator of
that, yeah, yeah, I should sendout the, the what do they call
them?
The rangers?
And they tell you you gotta yougotta pick up the pace of play.

Kenny (45:47):
Pick it up.
It is there a lot of?

James (45:48):
the golf court carts now have, like the monitors, telling
you what your pace of play islike yeah, that's true.

Ryan (45:53):
Now, james, you made a comment about um, about coaching
people on the golf course.
You made that comment becausejohn and I had an experience.
We had adam vincent out on thegolf course with us.
That never happens, but werecently no, no years ago years
ago, but we were only three andwe had a random oh boy.
His name was was mr james mrjames story.

(46:16):
Mr james is very good, and wehad 18 holes of education from
mr james, so I don't know ifit's a james things about.

James (46:24):
James thing about there's a lot of james is out there.
All right, fun fact, but it'sfun fact.

Ryan (46:29):
We're the number one name in the last 100 years roughly 4
million people yeah, well overfour, that's another dynamic,
though, is like it's one thingif your boys are coaching up,
but then you got this random guy, and I'm sure he's coming from
a place of good intent.
I just don't want to hear itlike I got my own problems.
I don't need 18 holes.

Jonny (46:48):
He was coaching us now some of it was good advice.
He was a great.
He was a great guy, though hewas.
He was a phenomenal man weactually saw him back next year
randomly at the api.
And james is like, or ryan'slike is that Mr James?
And I was like no, james islike you.
It's like right behind us he'sgetting food.
No, is that Mr James?

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And there's Mr James with hisdaughter coaching his daughter.

Kenny (47:12):
I'm like no, no, what's going on?
Did he ever say he is?

Jonny (47:15):
No, no, no.
But the best part about MrJames was it wasn't even so much
about trying to learn how tohit the club, which one to pull
out all this good stuff.
I'll never forget Ryan Salimosnotorious, he doesn't like to
grab his putter when he grabshis wedge.
He'll grab his wedge, go walkabout 100 yards to get to his

(47:36):
ball, hit the ball, hold upeverybody and Mr James goes.
Come here, Ryan, and puts hisarm around me.
How old is this?

James (47:44):
guy.

Jonny (47:45):
Oh, 40s, 40s, yeah, mid-40s.
Hey, when you go, grab yourwedge, grab your putter, son, so
that you can just walk up tothe green and not keep the pace
of play.
I love how he says the sunthing.
And literally I'm sitting heredying, because then, about four
holes later, I did the exactsame thing and then, oh, our
ball's in the middle of the way.
We don't got a ball marker.

(48:06):
He's like gentlemen, it's verysimple, just grab a quarter,
grab a penny, a dime, a nickel.
All you need is something andwe're like okay.
So he told us more about golfetiquette than anything.

Ryan (48:15):
He did.

Jonny (48:16):
I think there was one thing, he was a nice gentleman,
he was.
He was a nice guy.

Ryan (48:19):
But he was like you guys listen bogey golf.
Right, you guys want to playbogey golf.
That's help with the mindset.
Oh, I didn't get it, sir.

Jonny (48:28):
I'm just trying to get triples right now.
Okay, bogey golf.
It did help, though that wasthe best advice I've actually
ever gotten in golf and theputter with the wedge.

Kenny (48:38):
I can see how that definitely fucks up.

Ryan (48:41):
I don't know.
I'm telling you Adam Vinson waswith us.
This is like 2021, 2020.
We've been golfing togethersince college.
No, listen, it happens.

James (48:50):
But you made a point, johnny golf etiquacy.
I think with the recent wecovered COVID, there's a younger
demographic coming into thegame.
The game has changed.
The golf etiquacy is changing.
Even just what people wear on agolf course is changing
drastically.
I mean, granted, you've got alittle bit more.
I'll call it louder golf shirts, kind of like what Ryan's

(49:11):
wearing right now.
I have my fair share of loudergolf shirts.
This is just from Copperhead,but yeah, they're more vibrant
colors.
Look at that.
They're very comfortable.

Ryan (49:19):
They are, but yeah, they're more vibrant colors
Sounds good for the folks.

James (49:21):
Look at that, look at this guy.
They're very comfortable.

Ryan (49:24):
They are extremely comfortable.

James (49:25):
I wear mine to work now because they're that comfortable
and people like them too.
But yeah, I mean, golf efficacyis just changing in general.
Music on the golf course.
I don't remember playing withmusic ever when.

Jonny (49:37):
I was learning how to play.

Ryan (49:40):
No one had speakers out on the golf course.

James (49:41):
It's like a normal thing.
It's normal like they, they,the, the golf technology is like
rooted around this.
They have speakers that tellyou okay, you're this far from
the pin now and it's it's.
Then it goes back to playingwhatever classic rock, you know,
country music, whatever youlisten to on golf course, it's
nuts, um.
But I mean, yeah, the gameitself is changing.

(50:01):
Uh, it's not, it's not a majoretiquette course, but I or game,
but I still think thatetiquette is is necessary, um,
but that's a great point.

Jonny (50:14):
I have a quick question on top of that.
On the flip side it's do youthink?
Think polos should be requiredon a golf course?

James (50:25):
Go ahead, I knew you were going to say go ahead.
There you go Strictly.
From the sun perspective, Ilike a polo.

Ryan (50:32):
Toss the neck a little, that's true.

Kenny (50:35):
That's all I mean that might be the reason why it's a
thing I have no idea.
I do think that there is alevel of classiness that comes
along with golf.
I think it is a little bit moreprestigious than, you're going
to say, some other sports, and Ithink that that's part of it.

(50:59):
I think, it keeps the like.
What you wear is very importantbecause it keeps the trend.

James (51:04):
Look good, you play good.

Kenny (51:06):
Yeah, it keeps the trend of the professionalism.
It keeps the trend of the, thestyle of, of what they're going
for.
So I think it's definitely I,just as far as like the
classiness, I think it's neededbut you don't stop with just a
polo, you tuck it in.

James (51:23):
Oh, you're looking at me.
Yeah, I'm looking at youSometimes.

Ryan (51:25):
I don't have a belt Sometimes.
To the polo thing, though Idon't think a polo is required.
I think it's nice.
However, tiger Woods, hisclassic red shirt.
It's not always a polo and he'sthe best one.

Kenny (51:37):
He's the best to ever do it.

James (51:38):
It's like a mini polo thing.

Jonny (51:42):
I think he he's one of the very few that was able to
pull that.
He's the best golfer of alltime.

Ryan (51:47):
I think it's a nice If you don't wear a polo, it's a very
nice shirt, like a Lululemontype of make shirt, not just a
regular t-shirt, gym shorts typeof thing.

Kenny (51:58):
You bring your Sunday's best out to the golf course.
It gym shorts.
You bring your Sunday's bestout to the golf course.

Ryan (52:02):
It makes sense.
I typically wear a polo.
I'm just saying for the sake ofargument, not totally required.
It's still a nice Class it up alittle bit, Especially now.

Jonny (52:10):
Like polos, they're made for athletics.

Ryan (52:13):
They are.

James (52:14):
They feel great.
How about the golf pants?
I just can't.

Kenny (52:17):
Golf pants are tough in.

James (52:18):
Florida they're tough.
In Florida they're tough inFlorida.

Kenny (52:20):
Yeah, but there's golf shorts.

Jonny (52:21):
Listen, you have so much more respect for a golfer, like
on the PGA, when you see themwalk for four days straight 18
holes and they're wearing pants.

Kenny (52:30):
Yes, oh, my gosh Right.

Jonny (52:33):
And you're complaining because you're hot on the side,
like, oh my God, four drinks inand you're still sweating.

Ryan (52:42):
Meanwhile they're going 18 holes and then look at the cat
walking the back, the catwalking walking.
I have respect for anyone justwalks it.

Jonny (52:46):
We're over there four in our golf cart, god forbid no
carts on the grass car path onlyis the worst day ever.

James (52:53):
We, we walked, uh, uh par three oh, that was dying tough
yeah, I mean in 90, 100 degreeweather.
It's miserable, miserable, butman.

Ryan (53:04):
I'll never forget my first time going to the Arnold Palmer
Invitational, first time reallygetting exposed to golf.
Johnny makes a comment Ryan,you're just better for this
event than you do playingregular golf.
I put on my, like you said,kenny, just your best.
I had my best golf outfit I ownfor this PGA tournament.
Johnny's looking at me.
You fucking fraud.

Jonny (53:29):
Still have your tube socks on I can't stand.

James (53:31):
the tube socks.
Thank you, I cannot stand thetube socks.

Jonny (53:33):
I got on a bomb with tube socks on today baby.

Ryan (53:36):
Hey, Ty loves some tube socks.
Ty's got some tube socks on.

Kenny (53:38):
We are believers in the tube socks.

Ryan (53:40):
That's cool, man Not on a golf course tube socks.
We are believers in the tubesocks.
That's cool man, Not on a golfcourse.

Jonny (53:46):
That's our cue boys.
Oh my God.
Just to end the comment.

James (53:51):
I cannot stand basketball shorts on a fucking golf course
.
I can deal with a regulart-shirt and nicer golf pants or
something.
No, fucking basketball shorts,it's just.

Kenny (54:03):
I have not witnessed that , but I can see, it's a shame,
that's what.
I'm saying that is, and that'swhy I think there's a level of
classiness that you need to takepart in to play the game of
golf, and I think that in youneed to have that standard, like
when you go to a hockey gamelike hockey jerseys, right.
Like when you go to a hockeygame, like hockey jerseys, right

(54:23):
.

Ryan (54:23):
like that's a thing like.
So I mean, it's just part ofthe game.
Yeah, it needs to stay.
About the driving range.
Can I wear my gym shorts to thedriving range, get some
practice?

Kenny (54:28):
shots.
You can do that.
Let's go to top golf orsomething you go top golf I've
never worn gym shorts to a golfcourse, let's get that under
control no, no, no, no, no.
We wouldn't let you.

Ryan (54:43):
That's why you guys felt like a little bit of an attack.
It's usually on the cheapergolf courses.

James (54:48):
The more expensive ones will have a clothing requirement
.

Jonny (54:52):
They'll send your ass away, which I'm cool with.

James (54:54):
I mean it's their property, it's their rules.
Even some of them will say youhave to wear pants.

Jonny (55:03):
Which, hey, that's their rules, they're breathable.

James (55:04):
Some of the golf pants nowadays, though, are breathable
.
Well, that's what I'm saying.
The golf pants are nice.

Jonny (55:08):
For sure, now you got.

Ryan (55:10):
This guy says it like Mr.

Kenny (55:11):
Golfer over here.
Oh, I got a bunch of golfers.

Jonny (55:13):
You've got some golfers on the PGA wearing like the.
What are they called?
The joggers, the joggers?

James (55:19):
The joggers yeah, that's new which?

Jonny (55:20):
is very new.
It looks a little uniquebecause you don't see a PGA
person wearing those normally.
But what's his name?

James (55:26):
He wears them all the time it's like party on the
bottom but business on top.

Jonny (55:32):
I mean awful Short socks.
You can see their littlecankles.
I don't know.
Poop socks, baby, we know it'sall for you.

Kenny (55:42):
Any last minute thoughts on golf.

James (55:44):
Get out and play.

Kenny (55:45):
Yeah, get out and play.
It's awesome, you got to dabblein it.

James (55:48):
It's good for your health , especially as you get older.

Ryan (55:50):
It's good for the boys.
It keeps the competitive juicesflowing as you get older.
For sure it's quite worth it inthe long run Absolutely.

Kenny (56:04):
Awesome.
See you on the course Untilthen the better continues.