Ben Jordan on GMBMPW!

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This is Ben Jordan, and you're listening to Give Me Back My Pro
Wrestling. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to
Give Me Back My Pro wrestling. Your love so don't know.

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Now you know, baby, this is hot Rod Bigs, Jared, Jimmy St.
We're going to take him to the limit one more time, baby, right
here. Oh, give me back my pro
wrestling. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome
one more time to the Give Me Back my Pro Wrestling podcast.
And as usual, I am here with my brother from the same father and
mother, Jared the plastic sheet St.

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And guess what y'all, my boy hada birthday.
How was your birthday sheet? Man it was good.
We hang out with some friends, went camping.
Lamp. Was it lamping or camping?
I was in a tent brother with no wind flow going through the tent
and it was about 80° in the tentso.
Oh, where'd you go? Is in South Carolina, Lake

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Keowee. I think it's actually, it's near
Clemson kind of. OK, yeah, got some friends down
that way and yeah, it was a hot.Well, how was Little Chic on his
birthday? Yeah, we went, my buddy has a
boat and took us out behind the boat tubing and stuff like that.
And little chic is, is quite a fan of tubing behind the boat.

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And he likes to, he likes to do that.
He's he's always, he's always upfor it.
He wanted to we, we told him on the way down we're like, well,
hey, we're not going to be home for your birthday, so you may
not get any presents to open on your birthday.
And he's like, well, I'm little,I want a present so.
Come on. I stopped and got him a stopped

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at Walmart and got him a Matt Riddle figure.
He'd wanted a Matt Riddle figurewhile back and he always wants a
Lamborghini and and so I got hima Lego Lamborghini.
Nice. Mom and dad, I told them about
it and they're like, well, he sounds like his Uncle Jimmy won
the Lamborghini. Well, he might have something

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coming from Uncle Jimmy and AuntMichelle, for sure.
Absolutely. So see that in the mail soon,
hopefully. But yeah, he's liking
Lamborghinis. That's awesome.
Yeah. Lamborghini taste on a Silverado
budget. How's that?
Well, his budget's like a power wheel budget or something like
that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
awesome. Well, you know who who has a

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boat and probably has a tube that can haul him behind it
Really well is pop all so? Yeah, yeah, we'll have to get,
we'll have to get pop all to haul him around behind it.
So all. You have to do is tell him he
likes it and that'll be the nextthing pop all does.
So yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah, well, we know you had a
birthday. Happy birthday, you know, from
all the Give Me Back my pro wrestling listeners.

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And, you know, today we've got agreat episode.
The wild boy himself, Ben Jordan, I can't wait to have him
on. I gotta.
Go ahead and shout it out. Happy birthday to Doug Markham
too. So happy.
Birthday to Gator McAllister as well.
Yeah. Happy birthday to Steve Neely as
well. Listen to how many wrestlers
have your. I mean, it's crazy, brother.
Everybody I posted that and theneverybody's like, oh, I got a

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birthday today too. And I was like, well, it's a
collection. So yes.
Happy birthday to Plastic Chic. Happy birthday to Plastic Chic
Junior. Happy birthday to Doug Markham.
Happy birthday to Gator McAllister.
Happy birthday to Steve Neely. Happy birthday to whoever else
has the same birthday as the plastic Macaulay Calkin does
Macaulay Malone. Godly, everybody.
So yeah, wow. Well, anyway, so yeah, it was a

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big day. But obviously, you know, last
week was was covered in in a lotof sadness for the wrestling
world. Unfortunately, you know, not
only did we lose one of the greatest of all time, in my
personal opinion, I think Terry Funk is on par with one of the
greatest ever. But we also lost possibly one of
the greatest of all time that would be in, you know, Bray

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Wyatt. And I don't know, man, it's, you
know, Terry was in a spot, you know, he's older, he'd gone, had
a full career. Kind of seemed like it was gonna
it was gonna be his time soon anyway from some of the health
updates you've been hearing about him.
So yeah. Yeah.
That might be any easier or anything like that, but.
Right man I just played desperado over and over again

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and just thought about Terry Funk man but but then the very
next day I look on my phone, check Twitter and I'm like hold
on cuz you never can tell anymore with.
This. No, there's fake stuff and and
everything like that. But man, you texted me that and
I was like, I was like, what? Yeah, 36 years old, man.

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Sad for a, sad for a. Second, I saw, you know his
shoot name, Wyndham Rotunda, andI was like, yeah, I was like, I
was like, huh. I was like, no way.
I was like, no, that's not. Possible.
Yeah, Yeah. You know, apparently he died due
to some heart complications thathad, you know, come along from
having COVID and stuff like that.

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I don't really know. I mean, that's, that's kind of
a, a broad stroke of a paintbrush when you say some of
that because you assume like a heart attack or like a blood
clot or something like that fromsomething you just don't know.
And I mean, it's, it's a privatetime for the family.
Maybe more will come out with itand maybe it won't.
But that's, that's fine. That's their business.

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But really sad, you know, third generation wrestler from back to
his grandfather Blackjack Mulligan, his father Mike
Rotunda, uncles Barry and Kendall Windham man, you know
his his brother Beau Dallas. I mean, that's on par with with
the Von Erichs. I mean, maybe even more than the
Von. I mean, I'm trying to think of a
better, I mean, a greater wrestling family.

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I know there's so many out there, but man, that's got to be
one of them up there for sure, you know?
Yeah, but you? Look at you.
Look at the if you look at the star potential and you know, and
they were all there. You know, I still, I still think
that his character that that kind of cult leader character
with with Erick Rowan, Luke Harper and Braun Strowman behind

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him. I mean that that could have been
an all time faction, that Wyatt Family could have been an all
time faction with him having a multi year title reign with
those with those behemoths behind him.
I mean. Absolutely, and why they never
pulled the trigger on him, I have no clue, You know, I mean,

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I know they did in certain instances, but why they never
pushed fully put the rocket on his back?
I mean he was, you know, that's one thing I just because our guy
isn't winning all the time or the guy you like isn't winning,
doesn't mean they're not eating good.
You know what I mean? But when it comes down to it
though, you know, you like to see the guy you like have more
success as far as as a fan, you know, and I would have loved to

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have seen them. I love that Waylon Mercy Cape
Fear type gimmick, you know? But love it.
I love that Cape Fear movie. Robert Mitchum, Robert, you
know, De Niro, you know, it's just sad, man.
It's just sad. And you know, I know this, you
know, there's a hole to feel right now in wrestling.
And honestly, you know what I would do, and I don't I don't

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want to go too far into this. Like I said, we got a big show
coming up with Ben Jordan, but Iwould maybe plug Bo Dallas in,
Just let him go at it, man. You know, maybe just.
With that Uncle Howdy character,if that's if that was truly
going to be under all that, if they were truly, I know they
said, I think they say they had used him in that like suit.
But if they were truly going to use him as that character, you

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know, maybe maybe flesh it out alittle bit and have him have him
do something. I think it'd be the ultimate
thing if if he's into it too, you know, he's not into it.
Maybe he's. But you know, a lot of times
with wrestling, the show goes on.
Yeah, yeah. It's, you know, WWE did a
masterful video for both Terry Funk and Bray Wyatt.

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You know, I, I mean, Terry's kind of more brought a smile to
my face, just like seeing his career and Bray's kind of teared
me up thinking about, you know, going too soon.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It absolutely is true.
And whoever does those videos a long time with WWE does some
masterful work with some music. Like they got these songs in

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there and it's just like, wow, they whoever, whoever does that
has got some talent to picking out songs to put with stuff so.
And if they're ever hiring, holler at me.
Seriously, that would be my one of my dream jobs for sure.
You know so, but I mean. I I've even seen like Impact and
AW and all, and you know, even Power Town wrestling had

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something very well. I mean, like a lot of
organizations had something out there for Bray Wyatt and, you
know, Terry Funk and you know, it's good to, it's good to see
all that unity. Absolutely is absolutely is very
cool, very cool. And you know, we just say this
from give me back my pro wrestling.
We wish both the Funk family andthe Rotunda family our best.

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And you know, condolences to youboth.
Thank you for what you gave to wrestling.
Thank you for what you did for wrestling and thank you for
entertaining us. And I mean, that's the that's
the long and short of it, honestly, is thank you for
entertaining us, you know, and you know.
I don't want to imagine being ineither situation.

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Right, right, right. It's the way it is, man.
But you know, I know things havestarted off on a downer,
obviously, but we want to bring it back to an upper because you
said it earlier, you know, just like things are, the show must
go on. And we've got a big show ahead
of us. And I think right now to bring
everyone out of it and bring them right back up, I think we
need to get a wild boy on here. What do you say?

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Absolutely, man. All right.
Forward to it. Yeah, me too.
Well. We'll be right back after these
messages with the wild boy himself, Ben Jordan.
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And as you've heard us talking about in the intro and as you've
seen all the pictures and promotional materials all over

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our social media sites, we've got the one and only Ben Jordan.
What's up Ben? How you doing today brother?
I'm doing good Jimmy, y'all doing OK?
Yeah, we're great. We're doing great, man.
We're having fun. Good to talk to y'all having me
on your show, it's really an honor.
Yes, we're having, we're having one of my favorite people on

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today. And I, I'll say that because I
want, you know, I've said it before in the intro, I wanted to
say it again, Ben, you know, we,we didn't really get to know
each other during my time in thebusiness, but I've really gotten
to know you since then. And I, I just appreciate you as
a human being, not only a wrestler, but as a human being.
Ben, you're, you're a great dude, man.
Those those words mean so much to me and I really appreciate it

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and like I said, I'm glad I got to know you and I appreciate
what you and carried and the even the Wolfie show.
Y'all bringing my time in wrestling back to life for me
because it seem like, you know, everything's done.
I don't watch wrestling anymore and all of a sudden I'm talking
about the good old days. Yeah, I appreciate.

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I appreciate that from y'all. I really do.
Hey. Yeah, that's what we do it for,
right, Jared? I mean, it's the whole name of
the show, you know? I mean, if we could, yeah, I
could. I could make myself happy
watching old wrestling all day long.
And I don't even have to watch the new stuff.
And I still consider myself a very active wrestling fan, you
know what I mean? Even though I don't really care

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much for the new stuff, I can goon YouTube and find all my old
buddies and, you know, watch them wrestle 10/20/30 years ago.
So to me it's, it's a lot of funand, and that's the whole point
of this show. And we've talked about it
before, but you know, we're going to get this thing going
here. And then, you know, we always
start everything off with the question from the chic here.

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All right, Ben. So my question that I think lets
me get to know you, let's the audience get to know you a
little bit. If you had your Mount Rushmore
of professional wrestlers, people have influenced you or
your favorites or whatever, If you give me like 4 or five names
of who would be on your list? OK, I've got, I've really got 2

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sets because I had really like two different, two different
wrestling lives in my, you know,in my lifetime.
And to go from being a kid and watching, I would have to say
Jackie Fargo, Bill Bill Dundee, Eddie Gilbert and Ric Flair.
That's my, that's my big time, all time.
And then I have to go to my local, you know, my Tennessee

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wrestling roots. And the number one guy on that's
got to be Tommy Higgins. I love you without him.
I mean, he's done so much for mein my career.
And then you got to go with Gypsy Joe.
And then I heard the podcast today, Mr. George Linegraff talk
about talk about somebody smoothto work and just, I don't know,

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just such a great wrestler. Dangerous man.
Too. You don't.
Don't get on his wrong time, Yeah?
Yeah, yeah. It's so gentle of a dangerous of
a killer. I'm just kidding.
He really he was one of those. Everybody knew you don't piss
George off. I had some great matches with

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George. But yeah, I had to mention those
in my in local, you know, Independence in Tennessee.
I cut you off. Did you have one more or you
said? I didn't admit is I got about a
million more honorable mentions.You know, you got in the nested
Joe Cagle, Jeff Daniels, you canjust go down the line.

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You know, you got Shane Morton, Rick Reynolds.
I mean, we're just Tennessee is so rich and talented wrestlers
and you know, we we all can't make it and be the big stars.
But I'm going to tell you, if you lived in Tennessee back in
the in the 80s, seventies, eighties, 90s, you could go
within 50 miles of your house any which way and find a good

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restaurant shelf. Yeah, that that, that is just a
beautiful. I mean, it gives me chill bumps
when you talk about it because it's almost like the guys that
made it, had they not been there, had they not been the
ones to make it, you could have placed other guys right behind
them, you know what I mean? It would have it would have
almost been like just right. It literally, I guess was just

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right place, right time. And you know, yeah, it's crazy
to talk about. And I mean, I do agree with you
the the best description of the Tennessee Middle Tennessee
wrestling scene specifically. But we're, you know, that's the
one I love so much. It was just absolute rich with
talent and that, you know, we'vegotten a lot of the guys on the
show. We've got a lot more to come.

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But you know, today specifically, we had to have the
wild boy himself, Ben Jordan. Now, you know, we know you were
a part of the famous tag team, the Wild Boys, Mr. Steve Neely.
We're going to have you guys on together in the future, but
today we're going to discuss Mr.Ben Jordan.
You're ready? I love it.

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I love it. I like the confidence.
It's nice. OK, so let's go with this.
Your younger days, where were you born?
Where did you go to high school?That kind of stuff.
I was born in Nashville, TN and I'm went to Cheatham County
central Hoskins. Nice.
OK. And in high school, did you play
sports? Kind of what would you say?

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Yeah, I played. I played football and I was a
little bitty guy and but I was tough as nails and I wanted to
just keep getting bigger. Wanted to be that football
player. And funny thing, I got it up
there and the defensive backs coach was also the wrestling
coach and he was like he was like, OK, Ben, I want you to

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come out for the team. We're going to put you in the
one eighteens. No coach, no coach.
I'm going to be a football player.
I'm getting bigger. I'm at one, I'm at 125, you
know, and I every year he'd say,Ben, come out for the wrestling
team. Football player.
Looking back at it now, I think I should have took his advice

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and, you know, did the wrestlingthing.
I mean, you, you could get yourself a, you could take care
of yourself in the ring. I know that.
But you know those extra elements that some of your your
buddies have and our friends have that may have done you well
on down the line, But what did you play in football?
I I got to know with running back or linebackers.
No, no, no. By the time, by the time I got

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to high school, everybody was somuch faster.
So I was I ended up being a cornerback.
And of. Course I hit the weights really
good. So my senior year and my coach
decided he's going to make me a pulling guard and I'm thinking,
I'm thinking I'm the I'm the Rover defensive corner.
You know, I'm a headhunter. I'm going to Jack somebody up

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and he's going to make me an offensive guard.
And I'm like, now I got to learnall the plays.
I just wanted to just, you know,go hit somebody, you know, you
know, smear the man with the ball.
He's having me learn blocking plays my senior year and I'm
going I was going to have fun this year, but it was still fun.
But I had to learn a lot. And I was like, Dang, OK, that's

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what. We did.
That's awesome. So, so Ben, when did you when
did you actually like start liking like professional
wrestling? From the time I was a kid, I had
a neighbor lived across the street.
Of course, I might have followedin sports steps, but he always
liked to have have a drink or two and he would grab up all the
kids and say, hey, come on, wrestling zone.

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Look, it's Jim Kit, Jim Kent andthe Bounty Hunters.
It's the Moon Dogs. It's Yankee Fargo.
And we're like, what is this stuff he's talking about?
We going there, we got mesmerized.
So from being on always, you know, and then as a kid, my
grandmother lived in Nashville and run a beer joint and it was

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close to the fairgrounds and it was really right off
Murfreesboro Rd. where they filmed the TV show that that
aired in Nashville at that time.I'm pretty sure it was Nick
Gulis's show. And we?
Would get we would get free tickets to go down and be on the
studio wrestling. So we sitting there in the
audience. Wow.
We'd do that on Saturday mornings and then Wednesday

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night, you know, like take us tograndma so we can go to the
fairground to watch it. Yeah, once you get that live
wrestling bug, you got bit. Yeah.
Oh, yeah, You couldn't, you couldn't shake it after you got
it. You know, we did like everybody
else. We built the, the rings, you
know, in the yard and stuff. And of course, learned how to
run the ropes or work the ropes as a kid because we'd use garden

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hose mailed to a post and my buddy just swinging him in the
ropes and he had hit and break the rope.
Yeah, we're like, we're like, no, you got to act like you hit
the rope right and then run back.
That makes. Sense yeah, that's funny, that's
funny. So So let me ask you a quick
question on that because now whowere some of the guys you

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remember watching live? You know when you would go watch
the shows? Who are some of the names?
Easy, easy. Because I mentioned Tommy
Wildfire. Rich was just getting started.
Good. OK, Yeah.
He he kind of seemed kind of tall and skinny to me at the
time. I remember seeing him, he was,
he was really getting his getting going good.
And of course then then you had Bill Dundee come in, you know,

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and of course you know this around the time you had to split
between Gulus Jarrett. So some of the guys stayed in
Memphis area, Some of them come up to Nashville.
It was a weird time. But Fargo stayed in Nashville,
so kept him there. So and then I remember they used
to wrestle. At the women's building at the
fairgrounds, it's been long. It got tore down.

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But anyway, I remember going to the bathroom one Wednesday night
and it was night. They had Andre the Giant there
and wow, they had it. They had to use a lowered ring
because of the way the ceiling. Yeah.
So they had to use a short ring.First time I've seen the short
ring and I go to the bathroom, you know, So I got to get back
out to watch Andre. I come walking out and I turn

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and I look and there's this my head, the top of my head is at
the bottom of I look over and it's like, Oh my God, I really
didn't know what a giant look like right then, right I got I
got to see one up real close. That's a real close.
Yeah, I run on. I run, I run on.
Got my feet so. Hello, Beard.

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Anyway, so, OK, so so talk aboutthis real quick.
So you said you're doing some stuff with your buddies in the
backyard and what leads you and gets you you to train him with
the superstar, one of the greatest Memphis legends or
wrestling legends ever, Mr. BillDundee?
What led you to getting to that point?

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Well, OK, so we would always pack up.
The buddy that we did the rest of the yard with, we'd always
pack up. I mean, we'd pack up in a pickup
truck, have that like 6, you know, use a little bench seat to
put about 6-8 people on the front seat.
And we'd pack it in. And we would go to the
fairgrounds on Wednesday, watch it, watch it, watch it.

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High school, come along, we get driver's license.
I'm like asking all the buddies who wants to go to the
fairgrounds, you know, I've got my license.
And, you know, either we'd pack a car full or it'd be me by
myself. I wasn't going to miss it.
Yeah, I was always in the fairground watching, watching.
But to me, these were like moviestars.
They were untouchable. You couldn't get to this
superhero, you know, So I didn'treally even think, you know, I

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thought one day, yeah, I want todo that.
But yeah, I want to be Richie and Petty.
Also, I want to drive a race car, you know, you got all these
big drinks, of course. Well, so I went on to high
school, decided school length for me.
So I joined the Marines did did my four years of Marines, of
course kept the weights up, you know, and I, while I was in, my

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mom and dad would send me tapes of Memphis building the Jerry
Lawler, all those guys. And because Bruno, Bruno was on,
he was one of the favorites withthe guys, all the guys on my
crew. Yeah, yeah, they.
They would send those tapes and when they when I first sent
them, they're like, what is thiscrap?
You know, what is this and bother, you know, it's like
watching soap opera. By the time I left North

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Carolina, they were like, when you get home, send us some more
tapes, send us some more tapes because they got into the
storyline. You know what I was going on in
Nashville at Memphis. And so they run a, an ad on TV
for the wrestling skills. And I sent in pictures of, you
know, me flexing up, you know, at 160 lbs.

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And so I've been on that. And I thought, well, they'll
call me back. They never call.
So so I get out and I'm I go to the fairgrounds.
I'm watching, watching. Finally they run that again.
Well, I left my number. Well, lo and behold, one day the
phone rang. You know, we had the old phone
on the wall. Phone rings and my brother goes,

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hey Ben, come in here. Build on these on the phone for
you. And I'm like, what me?
So I run in there. You got the phone.
Ben Gordon is a building undeep.I heard you want to want to try
to wrestle meet me in the Allison at the at the gym at
6:00 tomorrow night. You know, I get there and of
course he shoots my dreams and he's like you're too little.

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He's like he's like I'm 205 lbs I'm 57.
We're both the same height. He said you got to be at least
200 lbs. So I left for two years, which
I'd go to the fairground. I kept lifting, started pile
lifting, getting a little biggerto stand in good shape.
And then finally Bill looked at me one night at the fairgrounds,
and we've been talking and I hadmet Jamie and his friend Ronnie.

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They were the Rock'n'roll dream team.
And I was hanging out with him alittle bit.
And then Bill's finally, like, hey, you need to go to school.
I'm like, well, I'm not big enough yet.
And Bill goes, oh, yeah, you look big enough.
You know, he told me the deal about the image.
You're up there, the light shining on you.
You're going to look 220. Right, so right, Hold on real

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quick, I don't want to stop you.That Rock'n'roll Dream Team Team
Was that a real team or was thatjust a?
That was that was Jamie Dundee and Ronnie Travis.
And that, did they just talk like they were a team or were
they a real tag? No, no, no.
They were tagging. Then I went to I went to Elton,
Kentucky and watched them in theshow, sold their pictures at the

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gimmick cable and I think I soldthis on a Wolfie show, but.
Yeah, it's a great story. Yeah, they they sold $200, two
to $400.00 worth of pictures. They sold every picture they had
before they ever got in the ring.
That's amazing. I was bigger than these guys and
people were asking me was I wrestler?
And then that really did that starts giving me the bug.
And then then they had they had rented A limousine and took a

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limousine, full stretch limousine from Nashville to
yeah, right down in Alabama, Athens, AL to wrestle.
And I followed them. Me and my buddy followed them
because we're going to go watch them and they they carry that
stretch limousine all the way toAthens, AL and this go go, go

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boy. That's awesome.
That's awesome. Now, yeah, that's Jake now, OK,
you're obviously you're seen by Bill.
He's like, you're gonna be fine.Let's let's handle this.
But you did say something about and we can't.
I don't want to skip over this because first of all, thank you
for your service in the military.
Talk a little bit about your time in the military.

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Well, because I get it. I joined up a delayed entry to
go for a year, year early. You know, I sign up, you wait a
year, then you go. Well, in the meantime, my
brother and my friend decide they're going to join too.
Well, I'm like, wait a minute, this is my gig.
I want to leave everybody and get away.
Well, I get in there to sign up a year early at 17.

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You know, my parents wanted me to have a guaranteed job, so I
found this thing to be somethingin aircraft.
Well, my brother, he joins in and he ended up doing what I
want to do. He becomes a grunt.
Just he's carried in 16. He's, you know, going all over
the world being a grunt. And I want to be a grunt Marine,
a badass. And here I am.

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And I did the thing that I bet nobody even knows what happens
is I stop jets with a cable likethey do an aircraft care
Expeditionary runways. Oh, wow.
Wow. OK, I.
Got you. Saw this before my life.
But you can't do this in the civilian world, so somebody
thrown the job training, right? Right.
There's nothing. Yeah, there's nothing there to

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the airplanes. You don't go to an airport and
do that job. Exactly.
No, you don't stop jets at the airport.
You know you got a long enough room where they just roll
through. They don't have tail hooks.
Right, right. Stop Jets for four years and
Marines. I loved it and traded for
nothing. Had a great bunch of guys I
worked with and wouldn't trade it.
But my brother lived my dream ofa Marine and I lived the

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stopping jets, which I guess wascool in a way too so.
I mean it, there's a cool element to that for sure, man.
So anyway, I didn't want to skipover that because that's an
important part for you and it's a very important part.
I think, you know, we love the troops.
We're big time supporters of theof the troops and for sure we we
didn't want to skip over that because, you know, we that's
important part of your life. So, you know, telling your story

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would we would be missing out a part there.
Well, anyway, you got to build Dundee, he says.
I think you can do something, kid.
You know, you're looking big enough.
Let's let's put you in the ring now, talk about the training as
far as that goes. Well, we we were going to start
out training in Gallatin. Jamie took me up to the ring in
Gallatin where they had a ring. It was the stiffest ring I ever

(28:23):
felt. It had like a spring in the
middle. But the the spring had gotten
the spring had gotten like caught on the side.
It didn't you hit in the middle.You just it was like dead stop.
So went up there training and then the next time I go, they're
like, we're moving to Franklin, KY.
Well, and if this crisscross is going to say, Chris, this

(28:46):
crisscross is somebody else's storyline.
And I end up in Franklin, KY. And so we we're in this one
building in Franklin and the first day I'm there, Bill's on
his way. I meet man by the name of Mike
Porter and he's like they just loving being Jordan.
You're a good little kids. You're going to you're going to

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do some things business. Thank you, Sir.
And he introduced me to Bruce Swayze.
At the time, I didn't know BruceSwayze, but he was known as the
Silver Fox. He's actually the man that
introduced me to Ric Flair. OK, so I'm up there the first
day I'm I'm fired up. I'm going.
But the man that had moved to town from Texas was Bill

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Crockett. He I think if I'm not mistaken
he was under a mask back in the days as the Golden Eagle and I
could be wrong. Anyway, anyway, he had he had a
daughter and went to school thatmet another young man that ended
up in professional wrestling. And but that, that happened
later. We went up there and started

(29:51):
training, blah, blah, blah. I'm training and once every
Sunday I'm training with Bill. But during the week I trained
with Bill Crockett's son and we train all week, train two days a
week and then Bill with you up on Sunday and that's when we get
the real training, you know. And, and so that that was all
fun and good, but I wasn't getting it.
I could do arm bars and hip tossand stuff.

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I didn't get the story, but I didn't know what was going on.
I was blind to this stuff. But that's where the amateur
background comes in. Everything ends up back in a
hole. You know, you do the razzle
dazzle to hit the ropes to fill,then you go back to the arms or
you know, the leg, whatever you're doing.
That's where amateur background background comes in.
Well, I get with Ronnie, Ronnie Leach, Ronnie Travis one day and

(30:37):
this goes back to one of those Wolfie stores, the old barn and
the the ring Candy Divine, the one that Wolfie trained in.
Ronnie took me to that ring one day and I said, tell me what's
going on. I'm not getting it.
I'm not getting the big picture.He gets me in there in that old
smelly ring in the old garage was at the time.

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So it's about rotted down the floor, but Ronnie walked me
through how how a match goes from start to finish and how
like culling it in the ring and how, how easy it was and how it
all falls back to all the moves and holds.
I was learning. Yeah.
Putting it together, yeah. It's only the story that I'm

(31:20):
getting the picture now I can see.
And so he taught me that in thatold ring up there.
And then I'll get back at schooland it's like, oh, I'm a whole
new student now because I know what's going on, right?
So that was one of those light bulb moments, right?
Where you? Yeah, it's like, oh, I get it
now. You know what's crazy?
Yeah Ben, I get those all the time during these interviews.

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Y'all describe this stuff so well that I've had light bulbs
go off during interviews, you know, 100 and plus episodes with
Wolfie, 40 plus with my brother.I mean, it's crazy how many
interviews that I've done that I've like, holy crap, that
finally makes sense. My back won't let me do anything
in wrestling anymore, but it finally makes sense, you know,

(32:03):
like, oh, Lee, that's amazing. It took me 20 years to figure it
out, but I got it now. But anyway.
So Ben, what was your tell us about your first match and like
what promotion I was with and everything?
OK, that would have been with day old man up in Bowling Green,
KY, that tied into the wrestlingschool because on Sundays we'd
get done training. We'd go over to the Crockett's

(32:24):
house, take showers, whatever, change clothes and head up to
the matches at the fairgrounds in Bowling Green.
Well, as Mr. Crockett always told us, Old Bill, I always
carry your boots, carry your gears.
And so, you know, one day we're up there.
Dale Mann says you got your hairwith him.
Yes, Sir. So he goes, you're here in the

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first match tonight. I'm like, Oh my God, beat out of
my chest. I was so nervous.
I was outside gagging, you know,Guy Heathen, because I'm so
nervous. Like I'm not ready.
I'm not ready. But my first match was with a
guy called the Wolf Man. I don't know.
I don't know where he is today, but he led me through a match

(33:07):
and made me look like $1,000,000.
And I just used my, my name Ben Jordan.
It's like, yeah, Because everybody always asks what's
your real name? It's Ben Jordan.
But when I got to the crowd, thecrowd got with you.
And then week after week, the crowd was with me.
I'm like, why change your name? Right, right.
So. Yeah, definitely.
No need to do it at that point. No relation to Wolfie D, right?

(33:30):
No relation. Old guy had a beard down.
Look like the Duck Dynasty guys,you know.
OK, Yeah. Boondoggies a little bit.
Yeah, yeah, but he was a little bitty skinny guy, but he'd get
up in the corner and he'd just howl.
He'd make that, you know, just howl like a wolf and but a great
guy to work with. How to add that match first

(33:51):
match? That's awesome.
That's awesome. The Wolf Man.
I bet that's just one you'll never forget.
It's not just somebody's name, you know, like Joe Johnson or
something like that. Yeah, this is the Wolf Man.
You'll never forget that. So.
Never forget it. Yeah, yeah.
So, OK, let me ask you this now.Obviously you have a I got so

(34:14):
fired up when we did the interview on the Wolfie Show,
Ben, I got so fired up when I looked at your career online,
because I would say, you know, if you compared it, you are
absolutely one of those guys that that are just a true
journeyman Carpenter. I mean, whatever, man, but your

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career is just something to to marvel at.
It's a heck of a resume, brother.
It's it's on par with all the big ones.
So we're going to start out withthis now.
Everybody starts in their local shows and areas and stuff.
But what eventually got you to probably what you would consider
at the time the be all end all of the USW?

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What led you to the USWA? OK, OK, So we did the we were
doing Bowling Green on Sundays. OK, I get injured, I'm out for a
few months. OK.
And this will go back a little bit, but it comes back around.
Yeah, go ahead. So I'm injured.
Well, I'll come back to the wrestling school.
There's just a little blonde kidthere and he's doing all of

(35:16):
these moves with this foam rubber mat, this rolled up
foamer. He can do everything.
And I'm like, wow, this kid is good, you know?
So then we get to work it out together.
Can you guess who it is? I'm going to guess Chris
Michaels. Exactly.
I just sent you a picture of us the other day.
I didn't know if you'd get to that.
Yeah, it's a great photo, but. He was there and of course he

(35:38):
got he got some training by, youknow, Tracy and all these other
guy. He got so much input from
different guys. But I think when I first got
there, he was just about self trained that that gum foam
rubber mat. I was impressed.
You know, he's the first person that gave me the Kurt Kirana,
which, you know, we called the Frankenstein or whatever, and

(35:58):
he's the first person to ever dothat to me.
Wow. OK, Yeah.
And so, so anyway, so he's there.
We we get some of these. Well, I'm at the fairgrounds and
Bill's like building these thereand I'm there and he goes, Ben,
come here. I want you to meet the Booker.
All right. So I'm going in and it's Dutch
Mantell, one of my idols from from a kid, you know, also I

(36:21):
almost got the minute, you know,and that goes, kid, you want to
be on TV? Yes.
And he goes, well, go get me a cup of coffee.
I said yes, Sir. So I went and got him a cup of
coffee and he goes, can you go to Memphis in the morning?
And or maybe maybe it was the next week.

(36:42):
He's like, could you could you go to Memphis?
You got to wait to get there. And I'm like, yes, Sir, said you
got your own car. I said yes, Sir.
So he goes, well, meet me at this age, pick me up at this
time and we will go to Memphis. And I'm thinking, Oh my God, I
can't wait. I can't wait.
I see. I love Dutch.
I get there, I meet him at the Cracker Barrel, I meet him to

(37:03):
get in the car and I'm thinking I'm going to ride all the way to
Memphis for Dutch Mantel. Oh my God, am I going to ask him
some questions and and we get inthe car, we get it on the
Interstate. He tells me which way to go,
which I kind of knew and everything he goes, is this
true? We're time.
And I said, yeah, it's right over on the side just grabbed.

(37:23):
So he he reclines back. Next thing I know, Dust Man
tells snoring in my car all the all the way to Memphis.
All the way to Memphis. Not one question other than
answering the answer of Does this chair recline?
Not one question was asked or. Not one question.
He might, he might, he might would raise up everything and

(37:44):
goes what mile mark are we at? You know, and I tell him and I'm
like thinking he's going to wakeup now we're going to talk.
Am I going to get something? But but no, he got me down there
and put me on the TV and my I'm not proud of my first match on
TV because I messed up right on TV.
So don't look that I got down there and first match wasn't so

(38:07):
good that I kept coming back andthey put me in there and they
put me in with Tony Anthony. And that's when Bill grabbed
Tony Anthony and he, he pulls usin there where Dave Brown's
weather board is. And then in the little dark and
everything and he goes, he goes Tony, he said, I trained being
he's a good kid. He go listen, he said, but you
got to remember you need to makehim before you break.

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And Tony had said, I got you, Bill.
He went out there and of course we didn't go that long.
But he he doesn't want to. He told me, he said, he said, go
for a hip toss. I'll block it, do a backflip,
land on your feet. And I said, I can't do that.
He said just do it. And.
Of course I didn't know he was going to help me as much as he

(38:49):
did, but we did it and I hipped off him and hey, from there I
was getting better and better matches and it got to where if I
showed up, if I just showed up and I wasn't booked, they would
take somebody else off the car and put me in.
Wow. Well, now let me speak on this
because I've, and I'm not tryingto knock anybody, nobody

(39:10):
whatsoever, but I've heard Wolfie tell me several times
that some of the Memphis guys were not some they you had to
make them do stuff sometimes some of the enhancement guys.
So I would imagine if you're oneof those undercard, you know,
you're putting guys over and I know you and how you're working,
I would imagine that makes sensethat they would slot you in the

(39:34):
spot instead of somebody else, you know.
Yeah, and, and another thing, what would happen?
The good thing was when they when they bought up the Dallas
territory and and they were sending guys down there and then
it was an hour and a half show on Memphis live TV, OK?
I was like one of the only regular guys left up in Memphis.

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Yeah, OK. Gotcha.
They would, they would. And I story about that too.
They would put me in there with some of the other enhancement
slash job guys. OK.
So yeah. They would put me over the other
guys. Yeah, OK.
I thought. I just watched the match the
other day. I think it was me and Keith
Ericsson. I think it was about a six or
seven minute match and I was green.

(40:16):
You you could tell I was green. I just kept going back to arm
bar the whole match until opinion.
Oh, OK. I mean, I didn't he didn't you
know, I'm used to the hill telling the story, you know,
kind of leading it on. I was so green as a baby, used
to listening and I'm having to kind of leave this.
I didn't know how to get the storyline down.
I didn't know how to tell a story at the time.

(40:37):
And so I just kept going back towhat I needed the arm, you know,
their arm dragon back to the armbar until he finally sent
himself and not going to move. And pending that was for like 6
or 7 minutes and I'm like, Oh myGod.
But, but that was the first, andI think that might have been the
first match I went over on TV and when I they would give, they

(40:58):
would give the undercard guys, the guys putting people over,
they'd give you 25 bucks. Yeah, OK.
The rest of the guys didn't get paid for TV.
They'd. Get paid because.
You're getting promoted. For Monday, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, you're getting you're,
you're on, you know, on the up and up.
So you're, you're getting pushedso right.
Well, which which? Blew my mind when I learned
that, by the way, that some of these guys didn't get paid.

(41:21):
And that's why I think Mike Porter must have thought we were
on TV when I worked for Porter in Nashville.
But anyway, that's a whole otherconversation.
Go ahead. Yeah, So I went to Eddie Moore
and I said I need to get my my money.
And he looks at me and goes, Ben, when you're going over on
TV, you don't get money. And I'm thinking I wanted that
$25. More than the yeah.

(41:44):
Well, I'll go back to getting paid.
I need my $25. Oh.
Man paying me, paying me and payme, right?
Yeah, yeah, that I got used to that.
So I'm. Counting on that 25 man, Come
on. I got I got another kind of
serious, but it's kind of funny but serious story about TV.

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They put me in one time with a guy named Rob Golden.
Never met him before my lunch and good guy, good guy from
talking to him. But when we went out there and I
was going to go over, but I'm not there and everything I'm
doing, I'm having to I'm having to muscle them around.
I'm having to move him myself. Yeah, OK.
And so I'm getting a little agitated because every time I go

(42:30):
to lift him, I'm having to just like, you know, put everything I
got into moving him around. He wasn't going with me too
much. And at the time I've been taking
some Taekwondo, I was going to learn some fancy kicks and stuff
from my little short legs, you know, and I shot him in for AI
was going to do a drop kick and I throwed my front leg forward

(42:51):
like I like in Taekwondo and I'mknocking out cold.
OK, now I'm thinking I'm scared to death.
I just I reached down to grab him and this is when his head
just rolled out of my hand. I grabbed him up by the short
hair on the back of his neck andlike get up, you know, because
I've been having a muscle humping the whole time.

(43:14):
Anyway, we call it muscle after,you know, and I'm like, get up.
Well, he wasn't what? No getting up.
He was out cold. Well, what do I do?
I just fall on him and pin him 123.
This is how green I was, all right.
I could have, they had two more minutes, the TV time.
I could have had the number one finger up looking in the camera,

(43:34):
being drums, number one. I'm.
What do I do? I jump out of the ring and get
my hand raised and run to the back.
I didn't get my glory, you know,I was green, too green for that.
So, yeah, that, yeah, that was, I thought I was going to be in
big trouble, but, you know, it turned out all right.

(43:56):
But I've never seen the guy again.
Yeah. And I hope don't be fine.
I hope you don't hold up againstme.
You knocked. I don't.
Remember it? You knocked him out in out of
the business actually. So yeah.
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Thursday, wherever you listen topodcasts.
Tell us about another TV time that your angle with Lawler.
OK, Lawler, it it it was weird because the like the
championship time, that was weird because that was leading
into Hampton Jimmy the other time Jerry was fixing, fixing to

(45:11):
going to an angle with Chris champion.
Well, just so happened that day Carrie Von Erich was at the
studio. That's when they were doing the
Dallas thing. But everybody was up here.
And funny thing too, I don't know if if Jerry Lawler ever
knew, somebody probably had to tell him or told him about it
later. But this whole thing was planned

(45:33):
up that Kerry was going to dump this bucket of water on Jerry.
There's going to be the gift from handsome Jimmy Van.
Well, Kerry goes, I'm going downthe store to get 2 bags of wash.
I think this is in the middle ofJanuary or February.
It's cold outside. Well, Kerry is going to pull the
ribs. He ices the water down 2 bags of

(45:57):
ice and he ices that water down.Well, you know, Lawler does the
thing. He's on the phone trying to call
value whatever. Kerry comes out and says he's
the president from Handsome Jimmy and he throws the water on
him towards, you know, well, who's lined up to wrestle Jerry
Lawler right after that? None other than None other than

(46:21):
me. So he waxes the floor with me
and Chris comes out to save me and he beats us both up there on
TV and and so, you know, that was one of the times and then I
don't know, he's always something always pisses Jerry
off right before he whips my ass.
I'm. Like, what's the deal, man, You

(46:44):
know? I wouldn't.
I wouldn't trade none of it for the world.
I mean, did I ever think I wouldbe in the ring, even in the ring
with Jerry Lawler? Right.
Not at that point, you didn't. Yeah.
No. And so I was glad to get my ass
whipped. You know who else is getting
their ass whipped? By Jerry Lawler.
Right. If you got it, you got the best
one doing it. Why not?
You know, there's only one goingto win that one for sure.

(47:05):
So there was guys like, like I said, the soul Taker, Mike
awesome, you know, Don Bass, Brian Lee, all these guys there.
But talk about some of those guys.
Of course, Chris, champion you. Know Oh my God, of course me and
Chris rode back and forth quite a lot and matter of fact, he
started sewing on his Ninja Turtle outfit.
I remember when he showed me at the beginnings of saying, hey,
look, this is what I'm going to do.

(47:26):
And he was actually stolen part of his Ninja Turtle outfit while
we were going back forth to Memphis.
Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. You've told me that through text
message and I wanted you to say that I'm so, so happy you did
because that, I mean, you know, to me, that's funny that, you
know, and he was the first guy to actually do the Ninja Turtle
gimmick. They went on to do it in WWF and
and I'm sure it's been other places, but you know, Chris was

(47:49):
the OG on that one for sure. So.
Hey, you know, even on TV he comes out and saves me from Jeff
Gaylord in downtown Brown up. Yeah.
And. Yeah, of course.
He's like, he's like, you know, why do you do that to Ben Jordy,
you know, with this turtle voice?
Right, right. He saw me on the turtle gimmick.
Now, yeah, I mean on the turtle.Gimmick but but you got Soul
Taker. Now what would happen a lot of

(48:10):
times is guys would come in and do Saturday morning TV for and
it would be lined up for Memphis.
Well, the show in Nashville wouldn't be till two weeks
later. So a lot of time guys would just
need to work Saturday night at the fairgrounds.
And so I would get the new guy coming in.
I was like the guy that I alwaysgot to work with the new guy.

(48:30):
And so Scholzaker was one of them.
You know, it's like his biggest.And what Eddie Marlin told me,
he said, Ben, all I want to do is just run from him and then
let him get a hold of you and finish.
You don't try to do nothing. Just run from him as long as you
can. And then he's going to finish.
He's going to do whatever he hasfinished and finished.
And he did. And they've done that also with

(48:52):
Inhumans. Yeah.
Yeah, he come in. I I would like I said I'd always
get there first night because they wasn't really in an angle
yet, right. That TV hadn't showed on on
Nashville yet, right. So there's always the new guy.
The same thing with Chris Candido.
Yeah, but I actually, I actuallygot to go over with Chris and
I'm like looking back at it likethat should have been the other

(49:13):
way around. How did that work?
But you know who knows right it?Was pretty well because I think
we were actually doing a baby type match and we one of us
called an arm dragon. We both went for, there's almost
like a double knockout because we both grabbed each other's arm
and both went backwards. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, now you know, you've wrestled so many guys so far

(49:35):
that that you know the story. The Godfather, AKA Soul Taker,
whatever you want to call it, Kama Mustafa, whatever.
But you know, guys like that, you know, you've already worked
in them. But in 1991, if I'm not
mistaken, you get a call from a hot stuff himself and you get to
go to possibly one of the, I would, I would assume one of the

(49:59):
major highlights of your whole career of getting to work in
global wrestling. Talk about that because we love
global. Growing up, Jared and I watched
a lot of global SO. Yeah, see.
And that, that wasn't even around when I started, you know,
nobody knew anything about that.And so that was besides, you
know, me, I was wanting to go toMemphis, Nashville, you know,
that was my that's success for me.

(50:20):
That's far enough. And let me let me say this real
quick, Ben, you know, because global was basically the, the
offshoot of World class because USWA and World Class combined
and they were doing Memphis and Dallas, Memphis and Dallas,
Well, then they all move it all up to Memphis.
So then world class is no more. So global comes out of the ashes

(50:41):
of world class essentially. You know, they're, they're in
Dallas and and it's, it's basically, and everybody that's
listening knows about global. I'm just giving somebody some
perspective on this, that basically this was a big deal.
And and like you said, it didn'texist when you started.
I'm sorry. No, it's so it's all extra.
And Barry Hall, it's which I'm good friends with.

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He's going down. Tom Burton's going down and
they're like, then you need to, you know, get, you know, come
down to me. I'm like, I'm not calling them.
If somebody wants me, if they'llcall, I'll go.
You know what? Sure.
Not that I didn't think I was. I was just thinking I'm only,
I'm limited to a certain amount and I've got a job.
I actually told that to Tom and one day going down, I'm like,

(51:22):
because he was telling me what it was and what you going to do
and I said, look, you need this for a living.
I don't I said I don't like to go down there.
Listen to nobody, but you know, I'll do you know.
But anyway, we went down there and worked work and I get a call
from Eddie Gilbert, which Eddie,Eddie, I don't know if he was
actually booking first. When we first went down there, I
was doing some matches, but thenEddie got in on the book and,

(51:45):
and when he took the book and things changed, they dropped our
money. And when they drop the money,
I'm like, OK, you're going to drop me down to $75.
It's 620 miles to Dallas. I can stop in Memphis, get 25,
go two more times and get 75 andI'll just go to Memphis and get

(52:05):
25 and go back home. So I said, I said, I'll see
y'all. I'm not coming back.
Well, that's when Barry Horowitzcalls me.
The Gilbert calls me. Everybody told me they said,
man, they're going to put the strap on you, you know, the
juniors, not the theme crap, but.
And so it was like, you got to go down there.
You know, you got to go, this ismagazine coverage, this is this

(52:27):
that the other. And I'm like, no, I don't have
to go. I don't got to go.
So I finally got the call and they said they'd give me the
money that I was getting. And I'm like, OK, I'll be, I'll
come back. But you know that, yeah,
everybody was selling me on thatbelt.
It was really in the long run, that belt did mean a lot.
And it it goes a lot further than what little bit of money I

(52:49):
was getting, right. But you don't realize that at
the time I'm thinking about I need to make money.
Right, right. No, no, money is important.
But Jared, listen to these guys.Lightning kid, Sean Waltman,
Jerry Lynn, Barry Horowitz, I mean, Doug Gilbert, Eddie
Gilbert, I mean, everybody thinkabout all those names.
Those are Hall of Fame names right there.
Masters in their craft. Masters, Yeah.

(53:10):
And, and that's what, yeah, that's what I think sets that
global light heavyweight division apart, you know, And
you had all the other guys, the Ahmed Johnson's, all the other
guys that were in the global for, for however long it lasted.
But when it comes down to it, I think the true jewel of global
was that light heavyweight division.
And Brother Ben here won the light heavyweight title in 1992,

(53:32):
February 21st of 1992, to be exact.
Anyone from the man himself, Barry Horwitz.
What a. Just to have your name in line
with those guys you just read off.
So my name to be anywhere in them because I'm the least of
all of them. But you know, you know what they
say about the least of all of usis, is is best as the you know,

(53:53):
the top, you know, you, you're in there.
Right, exactly. Yeah, man.
That there's nothing like that so during that time of global
you got to go to other places and one of the places I'm going
to let Jared talk about right now all.
Right. So, Ben, tell us about working
at the Legion of Doom, the Road Warriors.
Legion of Doom, which you know, I've watched them, but I've said

(54:15):
this before on Wolfie's show that I wasn't really into WWF,
so I wasn't into and then Wolfieknows the name of the finishing
move. I see.
I still don't even know the nameof the finishing move.
And I just listened to it again today, but I didn't, I wasn't
into WWF. I like the style coming out of
out of WCW at Memphis, it lookedlike 2/2 regular or beefed up

(54:38):
kind of guys got mad at each other because one of them said
something about the other one's a Mama and they were two guys
fixing to fight each other. You know, I wasn't in I mean,
y'all probably grew up with the Hulk Hogan thing and, and now I
know what them guys meant. But back in this time I wasn't a
big fan of all that. Well, so Reno Riggins is the one
that organized a bunch of us guys from Tennessee coming up

(55:01):
and and I'm going to tell you WWF at the time, they loved the
Tennessee guys because you know what?
They knew we knew how to work soso they would put us in the
well. So I get up there and Tony
Guerrilla is looking for guys and I guess it helps that I'm a
little bit shorter. So it may good to be the guy put
up on the shoulders and and you know, my legs wouldn't hit so

(55:22):
much before my I flipped over. So so I get picked to do that
match me and Horowitz and I didn't even know what the finish
was. And, and then, like I said
before, my dumb ass just said, yeah, I'll do it then.
Then I'm thinking, I'm thinking,what did I get myself into?
What's going to happen to me? And and, and I'm going to tell

(55:43):
you that was the biggest crowd I've been in front of.
And then we've said it before too.
It's like when they when they said play that over the last
figure. What a rush.
And then you see these two big, the Hemus, these big shoulder
fight shoulder pads coming out and they're not looking too nice
anyway. I know, I know, we're in the
restaurant business, but still, you're in front of all these

(56:04):
people. Either you never know.
And you get a little bit of coldchills as they're coming down
and I'm like, OK, it can go really good or it can go really
bad. So everything, everything went
good. Must have took a heck of a bump
off the shoulders because when Iget back to the curtain, Shawn
Michaels is the first person that meets me.

(56:25):
And he's like, man, are you OK? They look like they just killed
you. And I'm like, I'm like, I'm
fine, I'm fine. Hey, I just kept talking to
Michael, you know? That's pretty good, man.
My son loves to do the doomsday device to his sister off my
shoulders when when we're in thepool, so maybe I'll.

(56:49):
Learn that someday. Yeah, maybe.
Maybe you've got a permanent block in your brain where you
took it one time. You don't worry that.
May be the problem. Was do you remember, like did
did animal like push you up or did you just did, did you?
Yeah, he did. But which I got real nervous
before the match. And so I finally kind of went up

(57:12):
to him and asked him. I said how does this work?
And he goes, he goes, don't worry about man.
He goes. When he when he hits you with
the car, he said you'll flip. He said I'll I'll blow your
ankles back. You'll be fine.
Yeah. And I was like, cool.
Good. And then, like, at that point, I
really. And then somebody had to tell me
he's gonna sit you on top of theshoulder.
I'm like, oh, is that what they're gonna.
Oh, that's what they're gonna do.

(57:32):
OK, OK. It's coming together now.
I just went with it. I wanted to be, you know, I was
on WWF, I was gonna be on TV, you know?
Yeah. You take the best.
Probably the best tag team finishing move of all time too.
So yeah, legend. Hey, they they were the world
tag team champions. So hey, yeah, another one,

(57:52):
another one thing like my storied career.
I'm nobody famous, but I've beenthere with all of them.
And it it was fun. It was really fun.
Well then, with the world title tag titles, might have been the
time to try a little Taekwondo on them big boys, you know?
Hey, if I'd have thought it would work, but it's probably
like, well, if it don't work, it's not going to be too good.
It's going to be ugly. Yeah.

(58:14):
Yeah, you're right. Yeah.
You're just one for one on that.I figured maybe you could slip
over for the tag straps from Bury there.
Yeah. They probably just flattered me
off like a flyer. Now.
You did it, boy. That is my fault, Sir.
I'm so sorry. Yeah, we, yeah, we grew up big
time WCW kids. We were N.W.A, Jim Crockett,
Mid-Atlantic kids. You know, I've told this a

(58:36):
million times on all my podcasts.
You know, Dusty Rhodes to us wasas big as Hulk Hogan, even
though we like the Hogans and the Andres and those guys, of
course, you know, they were the cartoon characters to us.
Whereas the wrestlers on TV werelike the working men, you know,
like the the guys that had dirt under their fingernails and, and
fought and drank beer and you know.

(58:57):
WWF seemed like a work and and WN.W.A stuff like it seemed like
a shoot so. Yeah, exactly.
I mean, look at look at the fourHorsemen.
And that was like, that was, youknow, that's when they really,
people really started to love kind of the bad guy because they
had all that they had the, the, the class and the brass, you

(59:18):
know. Oh.
Yeah. You know, that's everybody
wanted to be Ric Flair. Or if you were the the buddy
that hung out with Flair, you wanted to be on Anderson.
You know, right? Right.
Exactly. Exactly.
You know, be glad to be here. I got that when I was in North
Carolina at Cherry Point in the Marines.
You know, we had to watch that too.
TBS, you know, and then that really got gotten.

(59:41):
I was like, this goes right along with what I I was seeing
from Memphis. I love this too.
Oh, yeah, it's so good. It's so good.
Well, OK, so we've kind of been going through 1991.
It's a massive year for you. And then 92 very early on, 92
becomes a very big year. Now after you drop the strap,
the light title, you, you end upgoing to Smoky Mountain.

(01:00:02):
Now, what went on between the global time and Smoky Mountain?
Probably can't remember that, but anyway, the global, the
global, the global stuff droppedoff.
And then I get a call and I've got it on my one of my mini
tapes where Jim Cornette calls the house and I call him back
and my deal is I know how to work.

(01:00:25):
I knew how to work. I don't mind putting anybody
over. This is wrestling.
Steve Curran says it does. You know, they're paying you.
It's the world is you know what it is in wrestling.
If they pay me to put the guy over, I'm putting the guy over.
I'm going to do my best to make him look as good as I can.
And so my deal is if I'm going to work for you, I want I don't

(01:00:47):
want to just get squashed. I can I can do some stuff before
I get before you pin me and whatI told Jim Cornette, I said,
Jim, I don't mind coming up there and you know, to put guys
over. I said, but I want to work and
he said he said come up, we'll let you work.
He said, you know, we're going to put, you know, the one nights

(01:01:07):
I did with Tony Afney up there that they were putting him over
strong and I didn't get a lot inthat.
But I'd worked Tony so many times for USWA.
I'd do anything for Tony, right?So I did.
If they needed him over strong, they did shit out of me.
I don't care. Let's you know, let's get you
over. Yeah, yeah.
Not making me look bad, you know.
Right. But the white boy was the bad

(01:01:29):
guy of our childhood, by the way.
We've seen him wrestle live. I mean, we love Tony Anthony.
We're big fans virtually he. Probably booted a lot though.
Yeah, yeah, I. Wish I wish I could talk to him
today. I don't do social media.
I got no way to get in touch with people, you know, just it's
rare when I do get in touch withpeople.
Shane Morton's my, my, my connection to the world.

(01:01:49):
I guess he's. He's our connection to most
wrestlers. So yeah, yeah, we we look, we're
big Shane Morton fans so. That's how we got in touch.
So exactly same same is great for that.
Shane is perfect. Yeah, to to go back to the work
and then and not to backpack so much, but you know, WWF and see
now they loved the Tennessee guys because they knew how to

(01:02:11):
work. They most of us were well
trained, knew how to work. And like when I would go up
there and work Bam Bam Bigelow after I worked in the first
time, every time I would be up there, he would grab me and say,
when was the last time we did TV?
3 weeks ago. He goes put your let's get him
to put your name up here. I want to work with you again.
You know, people like that do they come to you know, and I

(01:02:33):
remember watching Bam Bam Bigelow come to Memphis.
They will watch his tapes and I was and I was scared to death of
a guy. And then that's the one the guy
that treated me so good and wanted to work with me.
And he actually in one of his matches and this when they still
coming out of the corner, he's like he's like, I'm going to job
you out the whole match. I'm just going to it's going to

(01:02:55):
look like a squash, he said, buthe said I'm going to go up to
the top. I'm going to come off from my
finish the head butt. He said.
He said move and fire up on me when he went, when he went up to
get to to do the head butt off the top row, all the kids had
done rundown to the fence to therun.
They knew the match was over. Yeah, it was.

(01:03:17):
Done. And I fired up on blah blah.
And then he he, he was trying a new move.
It didn't come out looking as good as it should, but he wanted
to do a he he swingside himself over the rope to do a splash on
me for the finish. And what?
It wasn't real pretty because itit wasn't, it just wasn't
pretty. But anyway, I was happy so and
he was happy anyways. That's awesome.

(01:03:37):
That's awesome. And man, can he move for a, for
a big guy, a. Serious guy, Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely. For a for a little guy, he could
move, you know what I mean? And he was a big guy.
You know, there's little guys without that footwork.
I know a 5. Foot.
Five guy that can go. Yeah, man.
Yeah, seriously. Absolutely.
What about Bob Holly? Did you work Bob Holly?

(01:03:58):
I did. Bob Holly.
Great. I love Bob Hollywood.
He come off the top rope for thefinish with a meat in my chest.
And I thought I didn't know if Iwas ever going to breathe again.
Oh, yeah, I heard that and it knocked the wind on me so that I
don't know. For the next 10 minutes, I
didn't know what was going on. But he pinned me after that.

(01:04:19):
Thank God. Yeah, I couldn't have got up it.
Was he your now? He was an Alabama guy.
Had you met him before working him in Smoky Mountain I?
Never. I never had met him before and
and you know, it's Smoky Mountain and like I said, we
worked had a decent mass at all besides crushing my chest in
which you think I'm going to saysomething to Bob Holly about
crushing my chest? Right.

(01:04:39):
Probably not. Yeah.
I've had my share of fights and I'm doing pretty good, but
there's some people you don't want to mess with.
Yeah, you've done pretty good. Because you know who not to mess
with, right? I mean.
Yeah, got to pick and choose. Right, right.

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What about working with Paul Orendorf?

(01:06:26):
Paul Orendorf was great. The only thing that I regret
about my match for Paul Longorf and Gary Valiant done it.
Beautiful. Paul is like I'm going to
backdrop you. I'm going to spin around and
catch you on the way down and and finish you slamming you down
while you're in the air. Well, me, I flip over, I flip
over to you. I just flipped over and landed

(01:06:48):
and I can see you turn around. It's like, oh, he's already on
the ground. Other than that, he was a great
guy. Would we'd find a little place
to work out at in the buildings we were at Scott Armstrong and
and Paul Ondorf, we'd all be in the little weight room, you
know, working out it. It was some fun times with that

(01:07:08):
Smoky Mountain. That's awesome.
That's awesome. Now, of course, it leads you
back to WWF as you were talking about Bam bam earlier there.
And was Reno still your connection for for the WWF?
Reno, Reno, I took a bunch of usup there.
Freddie Morton. We we were working all working
with for Freddie Morton in the Independence and Freddie had a

(01:07:30):
car deal. I We took about 3 Cadillacs full
of guys. Joe Cagle.
I love Joe Cagle. It was me, Freddie, Joe Cagle,
Reno, Major Yates, some more guys.
I can't remember them all. I wish I could.
And we, we travelled up in cars and you know, Reno had got made

(01:07:52):
a deal with them, whatever and got, got us up there.
Well, after that, that was the first run.
That was the Road Warrior and I worked the Berserker on that
run. And then after that they got to
fly. They picked a few of us and they
started flying us up. And that's when I got to
traveling with Barry Horwitz because me and Barry just lived
10 miles. I mean, I'd pick him up and we

(01:08:14):
go to the airport together and we'd use a room together.
I'd either room with Reno or Barry and those are two great
guys to travel. Absolutely, I'm sure, yeah.
I learned a lot from Barry and Barry, I think I, I think I
mentioned it to you. I had a story about Barry, but
about the texting him and calling, the way that worked,

(01:08:34):
right? Barry, Barry, I learned a lot.
Barry is, what do you say? He's really structured,
organized, scheduled. Sure.
And that makes sense. Yeah.
If me and him are going to talk on the phone, it's going to be
it's Sunday when he's doing his phone calls in his backyard
because he's getting his phone. He's got a certain time now.

(01:08:55):
If I call him, he'll pick a timeand call me back because he's on
the schedule. But now, now on the road.
That made sense because we got, we ate our breakfast, we went to
the gym, we went to the tanning bed, we went to the building.
He made sure all of these thingshappened.
If it'd have been me, I'd have stayed out, probably drinking
the night before, laid in the bed till the time to go to the
building, Wouldn't have got a workout in.

(01:09:15):
Yeah. Right.
Right. But Barry, Barry, Barry kept you
on that schedule. He was kind of militaristic, it
sounds like maybe. Yeah, yeah.
And I'm going to tell you Barry's going to get a good deal
wherever he goes. You we can go to Dandy's and get
the 222 and it's 2 pancakes, 2 sausage, you know, two eggs.
And he's going to have, he's going to have egg beaters, he's

(01:09:37):
going to have whole wheat toes. It's going to be everything
else, but he's going to get it for the $2.00 for 1099.
He's he's hey, let's just say this, he's no dummy.
Let's just say that he is an oldschool pro.
He's what we call Rd. Smart And he told me, and he
told me several times. Then you got to get Rd.

(01:09:57):
Smart. Yeah, yeah.
Well, I'll tell you this. You know, I talked to you about
bringing Barry on the podcast, and I did talk to Barry.
I called him, and honestly, the next day he called me back.
That man was so great. We talked for like 20 minutes
and I told Barry. I said, you know, I wish I would
have just recorded this phone call right now because it was

(01:10:18):
awesome. But anyway, he's a great guy and
I think the world of him, even just a little bit, I've talked
to him. I really, really can tell what
you see in the man. He's, he's a good dude for sure.
I got the call from Barry Horwitz.
My phone showed on the caller IDBarry Horwitz.
I'm just like, well, I'm poppingfor that.
I don't. I don't need anything else, you
know, So anyway. So we got, we got you back, you

(01:10:40):
know, working with WWF, something you talked about
working Bam Bam and you mentioned the Berserker there.
Tell us I got some other names here and maybe just give us a
little bit a little bit about those.
I've got Owen Hart on the list. Going hard, man.
I'm going to tell you what, Owen, probably there's so many
nice really you proved to be wrestled.
There's so many nice guys in thebusiness that you know they play

(01:11:03):
their persona this that the other so many nice guys.
Owen was one of the nicest and before I get into the working
with him, the last time I've seen him alive, he actually
slept in, I think it was me and Reno.
He slept in our floor in our hotel room because he was he was
saving that money to send back home for a time.

(01:11:24):
And we actually woke him up because we was getting on the
red eye And we get we woke him up and said here, I want to get
up in one of the beds and get you a couple hours of sleep.
Last time I ever seen the man alive.
Wow. And I hate, I hate it because
they came to Nashville and I would didn't go.
I don't like to go and I feel like if I go and I'm going
through the back door, I'm imposing, I'm imposing or

(01:11:45):
something. Or I feel like people are like,
what's he doing here? You know, I just don't feel
like. Doing that.
So, yeah, yeah. I got AI got a story about that
too, but we'll move on to come this other stuff, the Owen Hart,
me and Owen, of course I met him.
He'd he'd ride with us, room with us.
And me and him are walking around the stadium and he's

(01:12:05):
like, hey, where'd you go? Where'd you go to high school
at? And I'm like, why won't you
cheat him? County.
And so where's that? Outside of Nashville, Ashland
City. And he goes to play football or
wrestle or yeah. And they'll tell him the story.
This is a guy that I've seen on TV and you know, his brother was
Bret Hart, and I'm watching. This guy is asking me these
questions. What's he got, a podcast or
something? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(01:12:27):
I mean, still, he's just. We're just walking around being
like buddies. Yeah.
Oh, my God. You know, life was kind of
surreal back in those days. I'm like, when am I really here?
Or is this just a gun? Yeah.
Yeah, no kidding. Yeah.
But he was great. Had a match with him.
He we had a match with him when he was doing the thing against
Brett and he would, he would RIPthe glasses up.

(01:12:50):
I made a heck of a mistake and in our match I stood too close
to the corner and he had to do. He was doing a drop kick off the
top and I was really close and he's traced out and kicked me
for that drop kick. But it was my fault.
I was, I was standing too close and he didn't want to.
He was a professional enough notto make his move look bad.

(01:13:11):
Right, of course. Did he ever?
Dog kicked out of me. Did I would ever RIP you?
He did RIP me. He ripped several people.
So he was, he's legendary, knownfor it.
So. Yeah, he's the master.
He's one of those. Masters and, and a lot of other
people got got to see more of the ribs than I did because I,
I, I wasn't around in that much right?

(01:13:33):
Rode with him a few times and, and of course we've done the
like I said he'd, he'd sleep in our room.
Saves money and stuff like that.But great guy, great guy all
together. What a what a just a massive
loss it was to pro wrestling. When when he you know that yes,
it. Was.
It's one of those paper views that I remember like forever,

(01:13:53):
like I was there, you know? It's just crazy, crazy, crazy.
Actually, if I was going to havemy, if I would have had a son as
my second child, it was going tobe named Owen.
It was going to be named, oh, his name was going to be Owen
Benjamin. So when my, my wife at the time
was pregnant, it was a girl. So we always joked and we were

(01:14:15):
going to name her a Weena Benjamina.
But but she, my daughter is so Danielle.
She's so happy today. We didn't do that to her, but
she does. She does.
She does tell me you could have named me Owen.
I would have went with. We would have rolled with it.
Yeah, well, that's that's a pro right there for sure.

(01:14:37):
How about, how about Money Incorporated and you know,
Dibiase and. I was, I was disappointed.
We were, we were in Nashville atthe Municipal Auditorium, me and
Red Tyler. Yeah.
And then we do a match and we'redoing a match and we go.
We go for the finish. I get pinned.
I didn't get $100 shoved in my mouth.

(01:14:58):
Oh man, Oh my God. Did they put, they put, they put
that $100 in my mouth, I'm clamping down and I'm going home
with that. Yes, Sir.
Those, those guys were so smooth.
You know, I can't think of anybody up there that wasn't

(01:15:18):
really, really smooth, you know?Even the Berserker Hard to.
Remember. But it might be because when you
take me up and throw me out to the floor might hit my head.
I don't remember a lot about that match.
I don't remember a lot And and is he, is he still with us these
days? He is, yeah.
He's still around, Yeah, yeah, OK.

(01:15:40):
I see him signing gimmicks sometimes so.
Yeah, OK. I've tried to look that match
that I can't find that match. Yeah, I couldn't either, so I've
looked for it myself. Yeah.
Yeah, I think, I think they've took the Road Warrior match.
But I've I've recorded it so many times on VHS tape so I got
it somewhere. Somewhere yeah, Brian Turner can
find that one for us Hey, Brian Turner, find the match for us,

(01:16:01):
brother. So see that's one thing about
missing on social media is the Brian Turner's VHS rehab.
You get to see yourself on a on a video.
But anyway, I'm sure you've seenyourself wrestle plenty of
times, so you're. I I love I love Brian Turner see
him and my son my son gets alongwith more of these wrestlers or
not that only long He he he communicates with more of the
wrestlers in in the generation under me.

(01:16:24):
Sure. Yeah, him and Jeremiah Pocket,
you know, and and all these guys.
And I'm like, how did you get toknow you?
But he met him in the dressing room and then became buddies.
Yeah. Did he ever think about getting
in the business? Your son?
Let me tell you, I've got a restaurant sitting right out
there in my backyard, has been sitting there since COVID hit
because we had nothing to do. So we put my ring up.

(01:16:45):
I actually bought that from Jamie John D and guess who Shane
got me in touch. He said Jamie had a ring for
sale. And I said, well, my son wants
to train, and so it's been out there and my son don't get in.
If I would have had a ring like that in my backyard, you
couldn't have stopped me. Yeah, seriously.
Every day. Yeah, Jared and I would had
broken necks my. Mom, our mom would have killed

(01:17:07):
us. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, he he talks about it and he talks he wants to have a have
a match and me and him in a match and I'd love for that
time, but you got to get up off your butt and get out there in.
That ring and. If I ever train my son, my son
Russell, if he ever train him, I'm going to train him.

(01:17:29):
Then Jeremiah Plunkett's coming over the training.
Yeah, real Bill. Derek Neal, one of my favorites,
is going to come training. Just on AEW, by the way, you
know. Yeah, yeah, I just talked to him
about that. I'm like, Oh my God, AEW.
That's like there is hope for the future.
I get to see Jeremiah. I get to see real Bill Nate
deals. So I may get to see all these
guys. I may get back to watching

(01:17:49):
wrestling. But what?
You know what's funny, Ben, I'm going to say this out on the
open here. So you had told me to get in
touch with him for a while. And honestly, we've got a list
and I want Derek Neal on the show.
But now I'm like, I don't want to ask him like right now after
AEW, you know what I'm saying? Because now it seems like I only
want him for AW. And it's like, no, I actually

(01:18:10):
wanted you before that. And tell him, Ben.
Derek, if you're listening, Ben,you texted me that like 3 months
ago, right? So to him and told him that I I
was trying to get you, you know,y'all together to do the podcast
and. Now it just seems like, and now
I'm like, man, I can't just texthim now and say like, hey,
Derek, how's it going? You want to be on my show?

(01:18:30):
You know, it just seems bad timing.
But I, I like the guy. He's a big Reds fan.
I'm I've always been a. He's a great guy and I've known
him for a long time and he callsand checks on me and we talk and
he better not pull that star stuff on us, you know?
Don't forget where you came frombuddy.

(01:18:53):
Yeah, no, we'll get him on. I just want to let this AW stuff
cool down. But I bet or not, because he's
likely to get picked up by him and then it'll be really over
with, you know? But anyway, yeah, man, that's
just awesome. But yeah, OK, so obviously
you're wrestling a lot of guys in the WWF, some names like Jeff
Jarrett, Jerry Lawler, obviouslyworking with him.
And how was working Lawler againafter all this time?

(01:19:16):
Oh, man, I actually got to get some moves in on him up there.
Hey, hey, we, you know, it's like Dorothy, we're not in
Kansas anymore. Hey, Jerry, we're not in Memphis
anymore. But no, it was all him.
He he called it all. You know, he's like drop kicked
me from the back off because he was in the angle with Doink the

(01:19:37):
clown. So had me out there getting the
crowd to chant Burger King. Burger King.
Yeah, I got to do the moves, youknow, where he hits his face and
the drop kicking from the back and he hits his face in the
corner. He, you know, he called all of
that. I mean, I saw him and.
But, you know, it was great. I'm like, Dang, Jerry, at least
I got the moves this time, you know?

(01:19:58):
Yeah. Well, you know that the manager
putting the fingers on the on the apron and he would stomp
them. You know that that's a classic
Lawler. And whenever he gets to work
with the manager, well, I managed Dutch and I knew that
Lawler liked to do that, so I just casually laid my hand up
there and obviously. He worked his way over there and
stomped it real big. And I worked later with Shane at

(01:20:19):
the saw in Millersville and it was great.
I did it and I, I was managing against Shane.
It was before he and I worked together and he stomped my hand
and he said, you know, Jimmy, that's awesome.
That's a real Lawler thing rightthere.
And I said, you know where I didthat first.
And he said who he was thinking I did it all the time.
And I said with Jerry Lawler. So, you know, it just tied it

(01:20:41):
all together that the first timeI did that was with Lawler.
And I had seen other guys do that.
It's not like I invented that, you know, fingers.
Though that's a good little, little part to the show, you and
you got to entertain the crowd. You know, so much of this stuff
today when I look at it and I don't look at it much.
Just seems like it's let me see what all I can do, how many

(01:21:02):
flips I can do, what all I can do.
You know, the guys run down where I'll do it and I'm like,
can the crowd even keep up with what's going on?
Which maybe the modern crowd, maybe the modern crowd can.
I know the people that were werein the crowds when I was going
to you had to be a little bit slower.
And they're not saying nothing about them, just saying you told
the story to them and they and then they you get the heat, you

(01:21:24):
get all the but sometimes I'm wondering now, is it just too
fast for anybody to pick up on? And probably, you probably don't
have the older generation that used to come to wrestling the
grandma, you know, right, man, You know those.
They made it. Right, Well, more of the story
is told on the microphone and less of it in the match, whereas
back in the day y'all didn't even need the microphone because

(01:21:47):
you could tell the whole story in the match.
And I think that's you know, if that's one sentence I can save
and keep and repeat. And that I think that's one of
the things that I think about modern wrestling is so much of
it is told because, you know, nowadays they can take two guys
just because they're hashtag dream matchups or whatever.
They'll throw them in there withno build up.

(01:22:10):
And it's like, well, why not build that up some this dream
matchup and really make it epic instead of just randomly
throwing it on a pay-per-view oron ATV, you know, a 15 minute
segment on ATV channel. You know, it's just that's the
thing that bugs me about modern wrestling is no more.
There's just not enough storytelling.
Some people say it's selling. Yes, that's a big part of it.

(01:22:31):
But again, part of storytelling is selling.
It's all Shakespeare, you know, it's all that, you know, you,
you got to have all that. And that's that's brutally
missing from current product. Absolutely.
To to shoot back to when Waller beat me and Chris Champion up.
You know, some of the comments on the thing was Ben Jordan sold
that slip over the desk. You know, it's like people don't

(01:22:54):
sell anymore. Right, right.
Exactly. It's like the quote from The
Shawshank Redemption of the old man.
When he gets out of prison. He's like the world went and got
itself in a big damn hurry. Amen.
That's the way they feel about the wrestling sometimes.
Yeah, you know, you, you got wrestling, you know, every night
of the week, you know, which is,Yeah, right When you had to wait
for kind of like waiting on Christmas.

(01:23:15):
You love Santa Claus. The Santa Claus came four nights
a week. You probably wouldn't care if he
came or not. Right, exactly.
You go. I mean, it's like, oh, it's
Santa Claus again. Oh man, Santa.
Oh, do we have to have Santa Claus again?
Oh man. Same old Lane Torres, bring me
something new. Right, right.
I'm tired of this. I've got enough training, I've

(01:23:35):
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