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Hi, this is George Weingroff andgive me back my pro wrestling.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome toGive Me Back My Pro wrestling.

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You don't know. Now you know.
Baby, this is Hot Rod Bigs, Jared, Jimmy St.
We're going to take them to the limit.
One more time, baby, right here.Oh, give me back my pro
wrestling. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome
one more time to the Give Me Back My Pro Wrestling podcast.
And I'm here, as always with my brother from the same father and
mother, The Plastic sheet, JaredSt.

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What's up Sheik? How you doing brother?
I'm doing great, brother. How about yourself?
Yeah, I'm doing well, just, you know, doing the thing.
We've had some fun stuff going on with the podcast.
You know, you have a great guesttoday, Mr. George Wine Groff, a
shooter from way back. Yeah, yeah.
It is still something from I guess Taylor Swift.

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I think you and Wolfie are in your world class era.
Yes, yeah, we definitely are working with Captain's Corner,
Nick. He's hooked us up with a lot of
these World Class because he's got that upcoming signing down
in Florida at the Rosen Center in Orlando.
So if you're down that way around the 20th of April, make
sure you stop by and see him andsee all the stars of World

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Class, man. It's very cool.
Yeah. It's a good it's a cool thing
though, man. You get to hear a lot of stories
and you know, Dick, you'll see alot of world class growing up.
But I wish more of them had checked out the Iron Call movie
so I could actually hear what they actually think of it.
Like the actual movie. A lot of them have had, you
know, kind of negative opinions about it without actually having
seen it, right. So I wish, I wish they would.

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I don't know. I kind of wish they'd watched it
so we could hear. Yeah.
And I think. What they think but I I know
there was stuff left out but. Yeah, that, I mean, I think the
one thing is, is you'll hear that in the Brian Adias episode.
Actually he did see it. He actually saw it with Kevin at
the premiere. So that's.
Cool though, at least. Yeah, yeah, so, but you're

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right. But here's the tricky part with
with Captain's Corner, Nick downthere in Florida there, one of
the discussion panels they're onis talking about the Iron Claw.
So. That's what I figured it would
be good. I think I'd heard that the
advertisement so. Yeah, so we'll see, right.
But it's not, it's not our problem.
But yeah, I I agree. I agree.
I mean, it's still kind of embarrassing that I haven't seen

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it, but whatever, you know? Yeah, it's just timing.
A lot of times it was around Christmas and everything like
that, so. Yeah, it is, you know, and and
I'll see it and I'll do a full report when I do.
But yeah, I agree. And but Brian had a really, you
know, good perspective on it. And y'all check out his episode
that is out now on live and in color with Wolfie D.

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It's a good episode. He's he's like a step Von Eric,
like, you know, Tracy and the Armstrong.
So very cool. Yeah, but yeah, man, you know,
today we've got another we've got another hit, man, we've got
another great episode. I've been, you know, we've been
promoting this one for a few weeks now, but you know, George
having different things happening with his health and
stuff and we wanted to make surehe was good before we got him

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on. And, and he's great.
And, and man, I, you know, I'm just excited to talk to him
because really George is just, he's, he's done a lot.
He's been everywhere. It's like a lot of our guests,
he's done all these things, but he's also got the stories to
tell, man. And and the cool.
Thing is with George, he's kind of like done all that, but he
also has that connection with our see guys too, you know?

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So it's it's he's he's really the perfect guest, you know, for
us, you know. So I'm looking forward to yeah.
Well, before we get to George, we got to talk about the the
elephant in the room, right, which is is WrestleMania.
The story was finished, right? Absolutely.
Man, I thought they did a great job with the story.
Yeah, you know, you know, you knew kind of.

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I mean, let's be honest, it wasn't a big secret that the
Rock and Roman were going to winon Saturday night to make it.
Bloodline rules basically, right.
Anything goes in because that way you're conquering Hero had
more to overcome. Right.
Right. You know, the the cambios.
I guess you'll say you were. We're all pretty well timed out
and all made sense. I was kind of hoping for Stone

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Cold, but you get Taker, you getTaker.
I mean, how can you argue with Taker that that cold moment?
But you know, just to me it would have made a little more
sense because Stone Cold was such a big rival of the rock,
but maybe he didn't want to do it so.
And maybe that's it. Yeah, maybe that's it.
But but Taker. But Taker's never anything to

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sneeze about, so. No, and you know, he was going
to be there. And plus, I mean, you know, the
Stone cold and the rock could have been a little more even
the, you know, the Undertaker could have gotten over on the
rock pretty quick and then maybe, you know, then they would
have had a match. But anyway, I, I thought you
can't really question how I guess you can.
But you know, our our little brother Mason, you know, was

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there very cool representing thepodcast man.
He's he's got a he's yeah, definitely jealous.
He's got a gimmick going right now.
You know he represents the podcast at at major pay per
views now, so. Yeah, we'll definitely take it.
Yeah, we'll definitely take it. Thank you, Mason very much.
That was very cool to see the words us whatever the podcast in

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that arena with all those people, man, that's pretty
crazy. You know that's.
Absolutely it, man. Very humbling and thank you
Mason for for showing us off man.
Mason get the floor seats where those where that those people
kept put another cut out heads of their self I guess yes.
Yes, do that. Wow.
You get that seat next time, Mason.

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And then did you see the couple that was like, they're both
nights or something? There's a man in a woman's head.
And yeah. That's what I'm talking about,
yeah. They were like.
I mean, Can you imagine what they spent on those tickets?
Like what? Could you imagine what been like
sitting behind them? Oh my gosh, that would have been
horrible. Like, yeah, we get it, you're on
TV. Take it down.
For 10 minutes now put it down. Yeah, just as all the things

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break out, like the other Taker shows up and you miss it because
that guy's got his head in the way.
Yeah, that would be annoying. But yeah, it was a good.
I thought it was overall good. Sami Zayn and Gunther was a
great match. You know, a lot of title
changes. They they definitely hit the
reset button on some things. You know, I didn't expect to see
Damien Priest, but I was thinking in my mind, if he's

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going to do it, he needs to do it soon, you know, and.
And, and, and honestly, it's great storytelling to me because
you don't have Sydney and Punk come right back and he's
challenging McIntyre for the title and then, you know,
potentially beating McIntyre forthe title.
They can, they can trade wins back and forth and yeah, and

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everything like that before theyhave to worry about the title.
And that gives that gives Priesta little run.
I don't expect Priest run to be long.
I could be wrong, but I don't expect it to be long.
Yeah, you know, McIntyre has been doing some of the best
character work of his of his time, I think.
I mean. Oh yeah.
Oh yeah, definitely. Yeah.

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I don't. I agree.
I don't know if there's real beef with him and CM Punk and
that comes out in that, or if itif it's just all just that good.
I mean, just real beef, yeah. Makes sense?
I mean, just two dudes that are wanting the same goal, you know,
so I think people are predictingmaybe Cody and Punk at next
year's mania and then maybe, youknow, the rock and and Roman,

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but you never know. Who can, who knows?
But I I just didn't see a way that really Roman could blame
the rock for not, you know, likemaking it happen.
But maybe he could just simply say you said you're the final
boss and I'm the, you know, you're whatever, but.
I mean, Roman essentially cost himself the title when he
focused on Seth with a chair getting his revenge from the

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shield days, right? So he he used the chair on Cody.
You got to figure here to 1 but.Yeah, and if you.
Guys are asking us why we don't cover AEW pay per views as much.
It's because it's on Peacock and.
You know, we, we buy, we pay Peacock and we basically have
like what it would cost for one pay-per-view a year if we had to

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buy every AEW pay-per-view. Exactly every.
Story. It would be, it would be and it
would be I. Would love to get AEW pay per
views for this price I mean. Amen.
Yeah, maybe one day. Who knows?
Maybe so. I mean, I do think it's a smart
model. If you can work with a streamer
that will make it work. But anyway, yeah, I think I give

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it. What would you say?
What would you give the overall WrestleMania as a rating?
I give night 2A solid a A+, maybe night one probably AB.
So if you look at overall, probably A.
Yeah, yeah, I agree. I mean it was like AB plus a for
sure, you know. But I mean, there really wasn't
many bad spots. I just the USO match didn't

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really do a lot for me. You.
Should have done more, I think you.
Should have, but you know it didn't.
And I don't know, I mean, I liked him better as A tag team,
I guess, you know? Yeah.
We'll see. I don't know.
Is the bloodline over now? Is it continuing on with more
people? Well, they're saying Jacob Fatou
is signed with. WE now I mean and Tomatonga is

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too so. Yeah.
So I mean, if those guys are coming in, I don't know.
Maybe there's some new blood to be in the bloodline.
Yeah. Well, Speaking of bloodline,
we've got somebody who's got a very strong bloodline today.
Of course, his father was gentlemen Saul Wine Groff and
for sure the son and honestly lifelong friend of Lanny Poffo

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and and Randy Savage, George Wine Groff.
His own self is on the show today, and I say let's take a
quick break and get him on. What do you say to that?
Let's do it. All right, we'll be right back
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All right, we are back with a very special guest today and

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Jared were just hits after hits after hits.
Today is one of my favorite people that I've known since I
met him. And honestly, anybody who knows
this name knows it goes way backin wrestling.
But if anybody hears this name, they know one thing.
That dude is a shooter. And today we have him on our

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show and I'm shooting about thatis is George Weingroff.
How are you, Sir? Thank you for coming on.
I'm good, thanks for having me. Yeah, yeah, very.
Pleasure, pleasure. Yeah, very cool to have you on.
So First off, before we get started.
Before you get started, can I give a little plug to my
brothers website? It's called Memories of

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Gentlemen Saul Line Groff. Yes.
It's really, really good and there's a lot of pictures and
stories on it. It's memories of Gentlemen Saul
Line Groff. Okay, I love it.
Herbie doing it right. Is that it?
Yeah. But yeah, you, you know, you
have to ask him to be a member and then people post stuff on

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it. OK, very cool.
Yeah, I think you. I think you should go.
It's enter. It's really entertaining.
I will definitely do that. So we got that plug in and let's
go with this. How you feeling man?
I know you had a little bit of health thing.
You feeling good? I'm I'm doing.
Great. Good, good.
I'm all cleared for any activity.
OK even even annoying podcast questions.

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Problem. OK, all right, all right.
Jimmy, I've got a lot of stories, you know, and it's like
I'm, I'm grateful that I can tell it to some people, you
know, because, you know, they'rejust going to go by the wayside
if I don't. Yeah.
Well, thank you. That's that's the best way to
say that honestly, George, I appreciate that.
So we always start every episodeoff with the first question and

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that's coming from ironically the plastic sheet.
So go ahead and sheet, take it away all.
Right, George, So you've been around this business and your
dad was in this business, but a question I always like to ask is
like if you had a Mount Rushmore, like four or five
wrestlers that you just love to watch or that or that made you
love wrestling or that you love to work with, whatever, who

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would those be? Like a Mount Rushmore Four or
five guys. Well, personally, I would start
with Randy Savage because he was, he was such a, he was such
a good worker. He was such a he was a pleasure.
He wasn't too loose. He wasn't too stiff.
He didn't have, you didn't have to think.
And I may have told you, Jim before his, you know, I

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traveled. Yeah, we, we started together.
But that's that's another long story.
But but his philosophy was he wanted to have everybody's best
match, whether it was a Midget or it was Andre the Giant.
So he and he always, you know, tried to give everybody a good
match. And also another philosophy, he

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worked just as hard for a crowd with 50 people as 5000 people.
He says, you know, they they paid their money.
They they deserve a good match. Don't sit on your butt.
So yeah, he was really good about that.
That's awesome. That's awesome to hear man.
That makes you, that makes you respect him even more hearing
that from you. Oh, yeah, You know, if there's

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not a good crowd, they'll just lay down and they don't care,
you know? But that that wasn't him.
He. Don't penalize the ones who came
right. That's what he would say.
He he had a good attitude. You know, he may have, you know,
rubbed some people the wrong way, but he was good on, on a
lot of things. I would have to say Rick, Ric

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Flair. I never worked with him.
I was in dressing rooms. And I know a lot of people have
negative things, but he was always a gentleman to me.
He's the first one to come into the room and shake your hand and
he always remembered you, I thought, and he was wearing a
suit. He was always classed.

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Yeah. And the other one would be
Ronnie Garvin. He had great ring presence.
He got over just walking from the dressing room to the ring.
You knew, you know, that this guy was tough and somebody and
somebody special. Yeah, yeah.
You always felt like he could. He could actually.

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Yeah. Yeah, Exactly.
There you go. Yeah.
Yeah. He wasn't just lollygagging to
the ring, you know, And I mean, you just, you knew he was tough.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
Is that, is that the ones you got?
You got any you got? I like this guy Garo Teneru in

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Japan. Oh yeah.
Yeah, he was a big guy. I think he was second in the
Olympics. But he was tough.
He was good, carried himself. I was really impressed.
There might be some more. I'll just have to think about
it. OK.
Yeah, that's a good list of. That's an incredible Mount
Rushmore. Yeah.
And thank you for letting us meet Ronnie that day with me and

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Wolfie. So that was awesome.
Definitely appreciate you doing that.
So it we always pivot to this and and this is really where I'm
interested. And, and if we talk all day
about this, I'm fine. So tell us about your younger
days where you were born, high school, amateur wrestling.
Talk about the early, early daysof George Winegrove.
My dad was on the road and I wasborn in Augusta, GA and and I

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grew up in day in Daytona Beach.And back then my father, he had
he had bought he was in the Navyand he he boxed and he was a
pitcher on on a Navy baseball team and he was on a a boat
during the Korean Conflict. But he never you know what was

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in battle or anything. And my quickly, my father, my
grandparents came over from Russia through Germany and they
came through Ellis Island. And my father grew up in
Brooklyn, NY And he had to, he had to quit school when he was

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in 8th grade to help make the family some money.
And he worked for and, and he was an apprentice for a man had
a sign painting company. So he, he learned, you know,
from an early age how to be a sign painter and that's, that's
where he made money. He started later on through,

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through the boxing. He was good friends with, have
you ever heard of Angelo Dundee?What?
Oh, yeah. Holly's trainer.
Yeah, he was good buddies with him.
So, you know, he, he bought someprofessionally and he then
gradually he, he, he, he met some wrestlers and, and that,
that, that's how he got into thewrestling business.

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Very cool. Very.
I grew up in Florida, so, and this all reminded me, I watched
the other night The Eddie GrahamDark Side of the Ring or the
Grahams. Have you seen that?
Yeah. I have, yeah.
Very sad, yeah. Well, I, my dad, he had a, they

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called the Beach Arena in Daytona Beach and he opened up a
sign shop in there. And then the main part of it, he
had it, he had an arena. So he would run weekly shows and
he would contract the wrestlers through Cowboy Littrell.
He was the guy. They didn't even mention him

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before, before Eddie Graham. So he he pay a booking fee to
have them come. So I guess eventually Eddie, you
know, I think Cowboys fell ill and, and, and Eddie bought him
out and started. So my my dad was a pretty good
personality with the Curt and Carl Von Brauner in the in

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Florida Side Story. My dad pulled an angle with
Eddie Graham back in the day. You couldn't do it anymore.
He, he and Eddie met on a downtown St. and they had a
fight in the, in the, in the police arrested him and they

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unbelievable put publicity on that.
And they actually went to court and the judge wasn't happy about
it. But you know, and my dad said,
yeah, Eddie attacked him first. And Eddie said my saw attacked
him. I was on this side of the road.
I think there's an article on iton the on that the memories the

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gentleman saw it's but they pulled a heck of an angle and
they made a lot of money off that.
So I think I'm about 10 years old.
Eddie Graham had a Yeah, when I saw the show reminded me of he
had a, it was called Eddie Graham's All American Youth

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Camp. And you know, you, you could go
for a week or two during the summer and I went and I had to
cafe my name. I couldn't tell him, you know, I
had to come up with another lastname, but it but it was, it was
so cool as a kid, you know, theywe slept in a bunkhouse.
We rode horses every day. We played archery, we went

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swimming, we went fishing. And, and then the, the highlight
was, I don't know if you've heard of this guy, Coach John
Heath, he would come in and theyhad a pavilion with a wrestling
mat and, and he caught wrestling.
So, so every day we'd have a, anhour or so of wrestling.

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So I that was my first kind of introduction to amateur
wrestling. Yeah, and, and at this point,
your dad's in the business, obviously.
So are you liking pro wrestling as well as being an amateur?
Well, I'm just, I'm just a mark.And I'm like, you know, I know
who Eddie Graham is and you know, he, he, he's the arch

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enemy and so forth. But you know, I just, I, I just,
I just played it cool. Yeah, I remember.
I remember Mike Graham coming around, but he had, he would
just turn 16 and he had a Jeep, an open air Jeep and he'd come
in flying in there and he'd do circles and mess up the grounds.

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And I remember, you know, I asked coach he's how come he
wasn't here? And he said, Oh, he, the kids
spoiled. I, I never met him.
I just, I just saw how he was atat that time.
So yeah, I learned my first newsthere.
Gotcha. OK, OK.
And so obviously this is a very important part of your career,

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but also something that is just fact.
So talk about how it was at thattime, especially, you know, in
that era, growing up with a visual impairment, especially
being such an incredible athletethat you are.
Wasn't long after my parents were were divorced, so my dad
finished his run, I think with Eddie, you know, he, he'd been

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back and forth, he had a good run in, in Texas with the funks
and so forth. So I would come up and visit my
dad during the summers and he had a house that was near the
Tennessee School for the Blind. And he I said, would you be
interested? I said, hell no, I'm not

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interested. I want anything to do with that.
So he kind of let it go. So one day we're going by and he
said, let's just, it was in lateJuly.
It was hot. He said, let's just go, let's go
take a look. So we went in.
There's I didn't, we didn't think anybody was there.
We walked down the hallway and eventually it was the
principal's office and the principal and Ralph Brewer, who

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was a teacher and a wrestling coach was there.
So, oh, they just jumped up and flipped when they saw my dad.
And the first thing Ralph did was took me over to the gym and
put me on the scale to see, to see what I weighed and, and
where, where he could fit me in.So, you know, I, I like this

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personality. And that's like, Ralph was a
former Tennessee State high school wrestling champ and he
wrestled at Auburn. So I was very this, this was
when I was in 10th grade. So I was very fortunate because
he knew a lot and a lot of the other wrestling coach in
Nashville, they they just didn't.

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So I got some really, really good coaching.
So that's that's kind of how that got started.
And did your dad know that already?
Like he foresaw that and was like, he's going to like him,
it's going to work out? Or was it just something he was
shot in the dark? It was a it was a shot in the
dark. They we, we, we had no idea.
But you know, when I was wrestling in high school, I

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think I lost two matches in three years.
Wow. And I actually got got revenge
on both of them, but my dad, he would he would miss work just to
come to the the dual meet. So we generally had him in the

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in the evenings and we we we were drawing good crowds.
We had we had a good team and hewas he he he was so proud, you
know, that his son was doing well in wrestling.
This is my very first match. We wrestled the, the school
Maplewood in Nashville and it was so it was in the, in the,

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about 1:00. It was one of the school.
They, they, they let everybody out to come to the wrestling
match or else you had to go to study hall.
So there was probably probably 1500 people or more in, in the
gym. It's my very first match.
I don't have a clue. So behind our chairs, our bench

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is my dad and Tojo Yamamoto, andon the far side is Luther's and
Lynn Ross. And they've got paper people
there. They've got a camera from one of
the stations because it was a big me, you know, and I'm like,
wow. So I, I did win.

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I didn't know what I was doing, but I, you know, my, my
motivation was I wanted to make my father proud of me.
I wanted to make my coach proud of me.
And I just love getting that handshake and, you know, way,
way to go, son. So that that really motivated me
and for the right reasons. No.

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Doubt. Absolutely.
So I was able to overachieve. Then I go to got a scholarship
at UT Chattanooga. This would be bragging.
I turned down about, you know, Auburn, Tennessee, Georgia, LSU,
Kentucky. I'm just trying to think.

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But my dad talked me in the in the Chattanooga because it was
close and and he could come watch.
Yeah, yeah. That catapulted me into, into,
you know, my, my amateur career.And then I got a teaching
degree. I was a high school teacher for
about 7 years in a wrestling coach.

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And you're not going to make anymoney.
It was A, and I and I had wrestled part time the first day
I graduated from college. I flew to Toledo to meet my dad
and I actually hooked up with, with Randy Savage.
He had just got out of baseball,you know, he, he'd been let go.
So Sandy and I hung out for the entire summer where we, it was a

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great time. We would, we'd, we'd work out.
We'd go to the gym, we'd go to the University of Toledo.
Another guy had a had a key there and we could, you know, we
could work out and we would mostly we do amateur stuff, but
we practice on how to how we would get in the ring, how you

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would take a take a bump, how you would carry yourself.
So that was, you know, and we and we weren't booked a lot
that, you know, we're working for the Sheik.
You know, we're just Randy probably weighed 160 lbs, but he
was smart. He and his father told the Sheik
that say it was a $50 guarantee.He told them he said if you'll

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book me more, you just got to pay me $25.00.
So, so so he got booked more, but with the whole idea of he's
going to get more experience. Right, right.
And to know Randy taking a pay cut is not really something he
ever did much after that. Well, he, he, he, it, it wasn't
the money. He's living with this.

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It's just, it's just getting theexperience where where else you
get. It right, I just meant he turned
into an incredible businessman as well, you know, so.
Oh yeah. Yeah, so.
So, George, take us back to college a little bit, didn't
you? Didn't you meet young Pez Watley
there? Yes, I did.
Pez was a few years older than me.

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And Pez would always bug me and a few of the other guys about
professional wrestling being noton the on the up and up.
And you'd say, why don't you bring some of those guys down
here? And he just aggravated me to
death, so. And I was, I always say, now
says it's for real. Those guys were good.

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So I get T so quickly. A funny story.
I got Pez hooked up with my dad and he got trained and he went
to Oklahoma for its first littlelittle territory.
And he was just gone a couple ofmonths.
So we got a big Southern Open wrestling tournament and he
just, he just happened to come in the gym and I was on deck for

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a match. So I'm with this little guy,
Bill Burnside, who was Pez's buddy, and they used to bug the
crap out of me, right? Pez comes in and he, Bill knows
Opez is going to tell him the truth.
Now, Opez, how you doing? You you went on a tour for
wrestling, He says. Well, George is here, so tell

(29:40):
us. Tell us the truth.
Is it fake? And pairs winks at me and looks
over. He says you know what?
Bill says George was telling thetruth.
It's real. Bill goes, damn it, you son of a
bitch, did you have to take the oath too?
Always remind Bill to take the oath too.

(30:06):
Oh my God. Well then, what led you to the
Special Olympics in wrestling? I had taught a year up at the
Indiana School for the Blind andthey they would have national
tournaments and that that was kind of a joke.
And then, you know, they had a anational tournament or a Special

(30:28):
Olympics for the, for the wrestling only visually impaired
up in Toronto. So I went to that and I it's, it
was, it was no big accomplishment.
I'd wrestled tougher guys, you know, so.
Yeah, yeah. It look it looks good on paper.
Yeah, it does. It does.
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. Very cool.

(30:49):
Very cool. So tell us about like, but like
your your first like pro match, your first pro wrestling match.
Oh my God, this is a good story.That's what you want.
I'm 15 years old. My dad had smartened me up a
week or so earlier and and I'm like, I, you know, well, I can

(31:13):
understand some of the guys. And I said, but I'll tell you
what, that Johnny Valentine, he's for real.
I see him beat the shit at it's no damn it.
He's working too, you know, Haveyou ever seen Johnny Valentine?
You can't do any of the SO anyway, he sends me.
You know who Ricky Morton is, right?

(31:35):
Oh, of course, one of my. Favorites.
Yeah, yeah, his dad was Paul Morton.
They called him Bald Eagle. He used to pull the ring and
referee and wrestle some so I godown to this little town with
Paul. I'm.
I'm 15 years old. I helped him put up the ring.
So it's a small gymnasium elementary school and it's like

(32:00):
it's in the middle of the summer, so it doesn't get
you'll, you'll see my point. It doesn't get dark until about
8:30 or 9:00. OK, Yeah.
So there's only one bathroom andit's that you got to go through
the gym and down the hallway. So my dad gives me this his
outfit and I've got a red mask on, right?

(32:22):
You know, because I'm just a kid, you know, and it's so, you
know, I'm nervous. I got to pee and everything.
So my dad gets, I get the outfitand I had some boots.
They're really high, almost almost to your knee with, you
know, the you got to lace it up real high.
So I got my boots finally on andscuffling hillbillies were in

(32:48):
there and he was going to referee the first match because
I was going to wrestle Paul. So they look over me and they
say, hey, kid, you've got your shoes on the wrong feet.
Yeah, because they were. So I didn't know.
I'm nervous. I got to pee in it and I can't
go out of the mask on, you know,So I start to unlace it and

(33:14):
Ding, Ding, Ding, the bell rings.
So I went out there, Paul Mortonwith my shoes on the wrong seat.
I didn't have a clue. Paul Morton's doing all kinds
kinds of stuff. And they're, they're they're
buying everything. And finally, you know, I get to

(33:35):
the dressing room and I take themask off and I sneak out.
And I, the point is, I couldn't sneak outside because it's still
daylight, Right? Right.
Yeah. First, Ricky Morton loves that
story. Had my the shoes on the wrong
feet. Oh my God, that's funny.

(33:58):
I. I made $10.
Yeah, OK. Who?
Who was that for? Nick Guler.
Nick Guler. I didn't care.
Yeah. So, Corsica Joe, you ever heard
that name? Oh yeah, definitely, yeah.
His wife, Sarah McKay, the wrestler, too.
Anyway, she had a son that wrestled for another high school

(34:20):
in Nashville. And she tells the coach, well,
you know, can can you, can you wrestle if it if you're only 15,
you know, and get paid. So their coach goes and tells
the state Athletic Association, oh man.
So that they write a letter and come back.

(34:40):
They almost they wanted to suspend the school and May for a
year. Oh man.
Oh, my dad was so hot. So anyway, Nick Gula said it was
just an exhibition that I never got paid.
They bought and they said don't,don't do it again.
So that's my highlights of my first match.

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you listen to podcasts. So in 77, you're working for
Google Us and you actually work two guys that are very popular
topics on our show during this little quick early run.

(36:04):
You work Gypsy Joe, obviously, and you work Arville Hutto,
who's one of our favorite people, much like you are.
You know, I would love to hear some stories, especially about
those first matches, especially with Gypsy Joe.
I I don't recall any of them andI don't recall, but I do have a
good story with Gypsy Joe, please.
Yeah. Gypsy Joe had a reputation for

(36:26):
chopping hard and beating guys up, you know, especially on a,
on an independent show. Yeah.
So I can't remember the year, but I'm, I'm, I'm lifting
weights. I'm jacked up then to Japan and
all over. So I go to this show and I'm
booked against Gypsy Joe, OK? All the guys come out of the

(36:49):
dressing room. They want to see what's going to
happen. They want to, you know, Gypsy
Joe treats me with kid gloves. They were so damn disappointed.
I had a great match with it. They know how gyps he was.

(37:15):
Right, right. Yeah.
So that's that's the only I recall.
Wonder why he did that? Do you just think he just
respected you or was it just? Yeah, he didn't.
He he, he knew he'd be in trouble if he started that with
me. Fair enough.
OK, Yeah. Sounds braggadocious, but it's
the truth. At that point, you'd built a
reputation and people kind of knew the deal.

(37:37):
And, and he and, and plus he, he, he respected me and
respected my work, so he wasn't going to try anything.
Yeah, yeah, that's funny. Orville is a nice guy.
Yeah. I met Orville and Bobby.
My dad would go with him to Huntsville, AL every Friday
night. He, Bobby and Orville were with

(37:59):
guy named Bobby Lee. Bobby, Bobby D.
They put up the ring and that's where I met Orville.
Little redheaded kid and, and, and he and Bobby would always be
there and they tell the story that Bobby Dee would get him out
of school and take him to spot shows to put up the ring and or

(38:22):
was such a nice boy, you know, and so he's a great human being.
He's a great and it's a shame henever got a break, but I think
it was because of his body. Gotcha.
OK, OK. I've heard that maybe he wasn't
as outgoing as as you know. One, neither, but neither was
Bobby, right, Bobby. Bobby got put in the situation

(38:44):
and he was a great worker and I think Orville probably could
have been, you know, but I remember signing Big Guy.
Mosca was his last name again. Angelo was it?
Yeah, he's coming with Ollie Anderson to Birmingham one time.
And who am I working with? And they told him.

(39:07):
Orville Hutter. Who the hell is Orville Hutter?
Who is this speech? And I remember Randy Land.
Orville Hutto is a nice human being.
And you're a lucky big son of a bitch.
Just you get the rest. I remember Randy.
Randy. Let him have it.
Or over Orville. Yeah.
So that's. That's my there.
Yeah, I'd heard that Moscow was a bit of a bully in some

(39:29):
instances, so. Oh yeah, Randy let him have it.
It was good. That's awesome, yeah.
That's awesome, too. Horrible is a nice human being
and he's doing a job for you andyou're just lucky, you know?
Dude, that's huge for Arville too, man, Because I mean,
that's, you know, that's got to feel good for him to know that
for sure. That's awesome.

(39:50):
Look up for him. Yeah, Randy.
Randy liked Orville. That's awesome.
That's awesome. So it looks like maybe around 78
or so you, you went through Memphis.
Were you just making the rounds kind of, or were you just, you
know, just getting I I. I had a show during the summer.
It was just a a short run, and Iand I went back to teach in high
school. Yeah.

(40:13):
Gotcha. OK.
I wasn't ready, you know? Yeah, I know a little bit, but I
wasn't ready. I didn't get ready till about, I
don't know, 79 or so. Randy, we were real good
friends. He took me up to Lexington and
ICW, so started producing the TVtapes and I got, I got to work

(40:35):
every night and I worked with good, you know, Randy, Bob,
Orton, Junior, you know, Pez wasthere, Ronnie Garvin.
There was, there was a lot, There's a lot of good workers
and I'm wrestling every night here.
Here's my first match with ICW that they they electric tape run
and look, we went to this littletown called Sawyersville.

(40:57):
There's four people on the card.It's probably the only one ever,
me, Angelo, Randy and Lanny. So I think I I don't remember
who I wrestled first. Yeah, I think, I think.
Yeah. And then come back in and then

(41:17):
probably now it would might havebeen Randy.
So and then and then they have another single Lanny and Randy
and then we come back in A tag, right.
So there's only like 3. You know it's not much of A
card, right? Right.
So Randy has this ideas this. You think you could beat some of

(41:39):
these people here? And I said, yeah, I think I can.
So we we make an announcement. Anybody who wants to challenge
me for one takedown, wow, one, that's all one takedown.
So Lanny refereed and, you know,he made them take their belts
off and check, you know, if theyhad anything on them.

(42:01):
So we just want to takedown and I, I beat all five of them.
Like it wasn't a big Randy gave me $100.
Yeah, yeah. It made the crowd happy, you
know that that was the first match.
That's wild. And I mean, you don't know who
you're going to get. No, but I figured I could take

(42:23):
him down real quick and then of course go again.
But no, you know, next I first came up there, Randy couldn't
wait for me to cut him and RIP were going to this gym in
Lexington and the manager there was bugging them, you know,
about wrestling being fake. And he wanted to wrestle them,
you know, to see what they were could do, you know, and they

(42:45):
they kept playing them off and they, you know, the guy was hit
wrestled in college a little bit, University of Kentucky.
So I came up there, Randy says, well, here, here's a new guy.
He doesn't know a whole lot. What if you want, you can
wrestle him. So I took him down and rubbed
his face in the ground or, or the Harpet he had Matt Burns and

(43:08):
that that was the end of that. He was so happy I took up for I,
I remember that well. That's awesome.
I mean, what did the overall? This is just a general question,
but overall, what did the pothosreally mean to you?
Lanny and I were good friends. We were part.

(43:29):
Lanny was completely different in the fact that I would say he
wasn't dangerous, he was just a nice happy go lucky guy.
Wasn't a problem. Smooth as silk, you know, Smooth
as silk. Just just a nice guy and and he
really kind of disliked his, hisbrother and his father because

(43:52):
they kind of ruined his life. And he he would tell you they
just dominated him. He was getting a little push in
Portland and they made him come back, you know, which kind of
reminded him, you know, to to help him.
I got along with Randy for the for the most part, Angelo was
just well, what what happened with the with the TV in in my

(44:17):
recollection, you know, he's just the TV station is your
star. Yeah.
So I said, you know, we need to be bringing these guys
Christmas, a bottle of wine or something, you know, some
liquor, you know, just being nice to him.
But he he'd argue, you know, you're wasting too much time.

(44:39):
You know, we had two hours and might take longer and they might
charges more And finally he he, he come around with a stopwatch
trying to time things, you know,and I'm like, and so you, we, we
can't do that. Oh yeah, we can.
So he, he got mad and he says he's going to produce his own
show, you know, so he buys some lights and a camera.

(45:04):
You know, that that's the reasonthere's a reason you do it in
the studio. You know, it's a lot better.
So it, it went downhill and I, Ikind of had enough, you know, I
knew it wasn't going anywhere. Yeah, Yeah.
Well, let me ask you about some of these names because, you
know, you did have an incredibletag team with Lanny Poffo and I,
I know you, I know you work withhim later in Mid South and some

(45:26):
other places. They they, they meant a lot that
they were, they were all good teachers and they taught me
about the business. So my first big territory with
Bill Watts is, you know, I knew what to do and how to wrestle.
I remember Dibiase coming to me.So man, you can work.
Welcome. You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, they're happy to seeyou, you know.

(45:47):
So there's a few names here, Doug Vines and Jeff Sword, you
know, you guys working them. Well, that's Randy was pissed at
me because I went to Louisiana and I was buddies with Ernie
Ladd. He was doing the booking and he
asked me about some talent and Itold them that Jeff and Doug

(46:08):
were good workers, you know, you'd like to have them.
And so I ended up getting them booked and coming to Louisiana.
So Randy was pissed and said youstole, you stole my talent.
You know, he was yo-yo, you're on the, the, the Weingroff
clique. You know you left.
Yeah, yeah. I'll throw this at you.

(46:29):
So he he made threats that he was going to beat my ass
whenever he met me, you know, for stealing his towel.
And you know, it really what I wasn't trying to say I was
trying to help those guys because they were starving, you
know, and I wanted, I mean, DougVines made 1000 bucks his first
week and he didn't know what to think, you know, and the money.

(46:50):
So Fast forward, I just, I'm from Daytona Beach, so I was
there and I didn't even know they WCW is having a
pay-per-view. And I'm at a nice hotel across
at the beach and they had the pay-per-view and I'm, I'm in the
bar and it's crowded. And some of the wrestlers were
there. And Steve McMichael comes over

(47:13):
to the bar where I'm at, and I said I've never met Elizabeth.
I knew who she was, that, you know, Randy had met her at the
gym. He really he started his
relationship with her after I left.
OK. Oh, and by the way, I got Lanny
booked in Louisiana too, right? So I so McMichael says, well,

(47:37):
why don't you grow some balls, go over there and talk to him
and drink. I said OK, so I go at the table
with Bischoff and they can see me coming, you know, so they're,
they're turning their heads, youknow, here comes a mark.
Right. Right.
And I said hi Elizabeth, my nameis George Weingra.

(47:57):
She jumped up and hugged me and everything.
You know, that's first time I really would was introduced.
She said Randy is upstairs, shower and get her.
He's about to come down and saidyou can call him if you want.
And I said no, I'll wait for him.
You know he's going to beat me up, right?
Right, exactly. He he he cuffed in the bar and I

(48:19):
confront him. I said, well, do you want to
bury the hatchet or do you want to fight right now?
Oh no man, I'm cool. I'm cool.
So, but we never kindled our, our, our, our relationship too
much, You know, because I was, Iwas ready.

(48:42):
It's been one of his lines. Are you ready to fight or do you
want to bury the Hatch? No, man, I'm cool.
I'm cool. Like, that's my line, man.
Yeah, so. And what about before we get
away from ICW too far? Because I want us to do an
entire show about ICW sometime. And of course, you're welcome to

(49:02):
be on that. But who was Radomius?
Ratamius? Well, explain to me what that is
or who that. How his last name Kansas, he was
a real nice guy from Kansas State and the pothos liked him
and they asked him to come and they wanted to use him in years.

(49:28):
He wasn't making no money. He was just basically doing jobs
in Kansas City for a long time. So they, they made this kind of
monster and and he wasn't, you know, he he really ready, you
know, he couldn't do a whole lot, you know, So they they
pushed it and basically it mighthave drawn some before he

(49:48):
started breath. Dang, I can't think of his name,
but he was, he he was, his wife was for Judy Hoffo.
And I mean, they, they really got soured and and they they
totally left Howard. He was nice guy.
He was, Yeah. Yeah.

(50:09):
So you see, nobody knew him. There's no Internet.
Umm, you know, and no, but no, you know, you could be in Kansas
City and come somewhere else andnote, nobody know who you are.
That's what they can paint his face and nobody knew who he was.
It's like you, you, you have no idea.
Right, Right. That makes sense.
OK, that makes sense. Very.
Cool and they got add Ronnie Garvin work.

(50:30):
Ronnie didn't dislike him, but if you don't fight back with
Ronnie, he'll he will eat you up.
You got to fight back and so oh,you killed him.
Ronnie. You know, you you know, we're
trying to make this guy and he just ate him up.
Yeah, Doug, Doug Bynes said. Ronnie used to always beat me

(50:50):
up, he said. But I fought back one time and
he sold. Then you just got to fight back.
Yeah, it's it's like those Japanese guys when you first get
there, right? You fight back and they know.
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YouTube. So in 83 he looks like you go to

(51:44):
Mid South. How was working for Bill Watts?
I I love Bill was a good payoff guy.
You made money. He was having sellouts
everywhere. The boys were happy.
He he had a lot of strict rules,but I think they were good.
You know, you had to be in the dressing room an hour before you
had to wear a shirt with a collar, have your pants, your

(52:07):
shirt tucked in. And yeah, they were the only
person who could wear jeans was Doug.
And it was just gimmick. But I thought he, I thought he
was, I love Bill. He like he brought, I called him
to get booked and I told him about my background and he he he
booked me right away. I did some shooting for him.

(52:27):
He had guys who come to his office and want to be wrestlers.
So he said, oh, OK, I'll let youwrestle one of the underneath
guys. So after the master, you know,
he was everybody be gone. He'd get in the ring and referee
and I'd stretch the guy, feel, feel like me.

(52:48):
Did any of those guys stick around?
What, what what which guys is that the?
Guys, you would stretch. Oh, they, I remember one of
them, he had a manager and, and the guy's trying to pull on his
arm, trying to get him out of the ring.
He's begging to leave. And I pulled off his shoes and
his pants and everything. They, they ran the heck out of

(53:10):
it. It was foolish.
It's all the boys stayed after, you know, the Road Warriors.
Ricky Morton. Yeah, Jimmy Garve.
And they was all watching in thebackground to see what this
stuff was going to happen. You know, Eric Watts told me and
Wolfie about how he would be like, well, you couldn't even
beat my janitor and he would have somebody dressed up as a

(53:32):
janitor and he would, you know, tear them apart.
So did you get into Vol or was he you just saying he was?
Here's one of my underneath guys.
Try him out, you know, but. I'm not going to put you in with
the junkyard dog because that's going to be fair.
I'm going to put you in and I and they're like, oh, OK, yeah.
Yeah, and then you got to work. Some great names there.
Tim Horner, you know, RIP Rogers.

(53:53):
I know that's a million funny stories with you, but Boris
Zukoff, one of my favorite guys.What a nice human being he.
Really is, yeah. And Jim Nelson, that's his name.
Right, right. He's technically my wrestling
grandfather because he trained the guy who brought me in the
business. So.
But anyway, I love Boris. You ever see him tell him I said

(54:16):
hello? He's.
I will, yeah. Yeah, I'll shoot you his number
if you want to. So you know, and I know you
helped train a very young Barry Dorso during this time, right?
I can't really take Barry was with the Road Warriors with
Sharky, right? Right.
Just kind of seasoned him. Well, yeah, he got smartened him
up. He didn't know a whole lot.
I remember having ATV match withhim and he had these little

(54:40):
shorts on. He was Man Mountain Dark Darso
and I mean he had me laughing. We got in the ring and some his
first met somebody. Where'd you get them shorts at
Sears? The worst idea was a human

(55:00):
being. Real good guy.
I trained for Grizzly Smith, Mike Smith, who was Sam Houston.
Yeah, OK, OK. And I thought, Sam is never
going to make it. He's horrible, he's unathletic.
But I guess that you know that the light bulb turned on one
day. Yeah, yeah.

(55:21):
That could be a good work. The other guy was coming with
him. Was Did You know Dewey Robinson,
the missing link? The missing link, yes, yes.
With him, Jason. Jason was small, but he was very
athletic and he probably could have made it.
He'd have made it today, you know, in those.
But he wasn't going to watch histerritory.

(55:42):
What an athletic kid he was. OK, yeah.
Did he ever do anything further at all or.
Not that I know what a characterhe was.
What an original character too, man.
Golly yeah. And he lived the gimmick, right?
I met from what I understand. I think he kind of was.

(56:02):
He was out that of it. You know, I like and his wife,
GAIL, he never drove by, always drove.
Everybody said, well, she's partof the team.
I wrestle and she has to drive. There's one team that shows up
here in your history that I, I really am excited to talk about

(56:23):
because you, you worked with, you tagged with guys, art crews,
you even tagged with your old partner Lanny against a very
young Midnight Express. Dennis and Bobby talk about the.
Lady, everybody loved to work with Bobby and it was a night
off. You didn't have to thank you.
They give you a good match and sell.
It was just they were super. Yeah.

(56:47):
Magnum TA was, he was always excited about, oh, I get to work
with it with Bobby and Dennis, you know, it's so easy.
Yeah, that's another Magnum camein when I did, and he had come
from Florida. Probably.
Called the show on it, but I remember him coming in and he

(57:11):
worked a few weeks and we're on an airplane going somewhere.
I'm sitting with him. He says, well, this is my last
week here. They gave me my nut.
They gave me a notice. Ernie.
Ernie was through with him. He didn't have anything for him.
So he was busy trying to call Barry Windham and get booked
back in Florida. Yeah.

(57:32):
And on behold, a few days later,Watts said, well, maybe we can
do something with him. And that's when he he teamed him
up with wrestling too. So wrestling too was like his
mentor, right? Right.
So he would so that that they didn't say any of that in in the
thing that that that he had, he had been let go.

(57:52):
So that's how he got his first break.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's great. He's great.
We had him on the show very early on and he talked about
that. And we've, you've told this
funny story before, George, about how him breaking in with
Buzz and he told us he paid him $10,000 and, and it's pretty
crazy, but I think it was a little more than that.

(58:14):
Wasn't the story I remember him telling me.
Maybe, maybe I'm wrong, I don't think I'm my mind but he told me
that I recall that buzz and met him somewhere in a bar and told
him not to talk to any of the other boys and he would get him
booked. Boys lead him down the runway,
came to his house, he wanted 25,000.
So Terry told me that his parents put a second mortgage on

(58:38):
the House. Man.
Paid them and then so I used to tease, Terry said.
You paid more money than anybodyever to get in the business, but
but you're going to get your money back.
Yeah, he will. He did right.
Right. That that is something that is
can't go unsaid. I mean, you know, he did make

(58:59):
the money back, but so many guysdon't, you know?
Yeah. And he was a virgin Virginia
State high school wrestling champ.
I remember Lanny was always trying to try him and stuff in
the dressing, but he never I, I never wrestled up, you know what
I mean? He just wasn't he didn't want to
go a takedown. Neither one of us were were
sure. And his wife Tamara then was

(59:21):
real good friends with my wife Rita.
OK, OK. He had bought Tamara with him
from Florida and he had a littleapartment and he had a little
teeny sports car. It wasn't a new one, a little
white one that, and he couldn't.He had to ride with other people
because it only had two seats. Oh my God, that's funny.

(59:44):
He was at a parking bus with Ricky and Robert.
OK, OK, gotcha. OK.
He had no money or nothing, you know, He's just just stuck down.
Yeah, let. Me tell my quick.
Go, go. Yeah, yeah.
Wrestling too, was working a a program with Jim Neidhart.

(01:00:06):
So Jim's not real flexible. So Jim was doing jobs for it and
he'd in the finish what he roll them up, you know, if you know,
push him in and roll him up and then then two would sit on him
and hurt him because he wasn't flexible and he told them don't
do that shit anymore, right? And so they had the last match

(01:00:32):
was in Oklahoma City, and he didit to him again.
And Jim thinks he did it becausehe knew it was the last match.
You know, when Lo and Behalf a couple weeks later, we're in
Lafayette, LA, and Jim says watch this.
He goes out there. I think he told 2 to grab a
headlock and duck the duck, the elbow or something.

(01:00:53):
He comes off, Neidhart just nails him and knocks him out
cold. If my brother was refereeing it.
So he had to go 123 and took hima while to get him up wrestling
to come back to the dressing room.
He grabbed his stuff and got in his car and left.
He was not going to say anythingto Jim.

(01:01:16):
Yeah, Jim was a big power lifter.
And he was a discus thrower. Discus thrower.
And. I'm not sure which one, but he
was, Jim was a friggin stud. And I'd have to Jim loosen up
and he didn't probably hurt, youknow, But what I thought he was

(01:01:37):
very articulate. He was smarter than you think,
you know, He kept up with news and everything.
He was. Funny guy too, right?
I'm sidetracked him, but I met, I was in Florida with him and
Barry Darso and they were teaming up.
And this is I was there when Eddie Graham killed himself.
Oh man. Rich, Rude and I were went to

(01:01:59):
Orlando for a show and then whenwe got there they told him that
he had shot himself. But anyway, you there was no
money. Yeah, they weren't drawn
anything. It was dead.
So they were on what they thought.
And it was 800 bucks a week, guaranteed.
So they come in, they tell they,they tell me the story.

(01:02:20):
They tell Eddie, we, we can't stay.
You know, we need more money. And we're, we're going.
Jim's going somewhere else and Barry's going to Minnesota.
And he said all of a sudden, shesaid Eddie started crying, said,
no, you can't leave me. You know, I mean, I'll take care
of you later. He said he was crying like a

(01:02:41):
baby. So they look at each other and
they say, OK, they'll stay. Those are the stories you can't
forget. Eddie was a a great worker.
And he puts his arm around, man.He says, hey, kid, I'd like to
make you some money. Will you bleach your hair
blonde? Oh, yeah.
Yes, Sir. Yeah, man, what a what a legend

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