Jeremiah Plunkett and Krull tell the NWA Title/Satoshi Kojima Story on GMBMPW!

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Ladies and gentlemen, this is wrestling's last journeyman, the
pride of Tater Peeler, Tennessee.
And if I do say so myself, one hell of a hand, Jeremiah
Plunkett, and I'm telling you tolisten up and give me back my
pro wrestling. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to
Give Me Back My Pro wrestling. Hello, Sir.

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Don't know. Now you know.
Baby, this is Hot Rod Bigs, Jared, Jimmy St.
We're going to take them to the limit One more time, baby.
Right here. Oh, give me back my pro
wrestling. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome
one more time to the Give Me Back my Pro Wrestling podcast.
And today, everyone, we have something that I am so excited

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to talk about. South couple episodes ago, we
had Crawl the Death Stalker on the show and actually had an
excellent episode. He's in our top five all time,
having great numbers, just really ecstatic about the
results on that show. And so we first of all want to
thank you all so much for listening to that.
But second of all, I want to thank you Crawl being on again,

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because at the very end of that show, you dropped a little
something on me that I haven't been able to get out of my
brain. You said, oh, we didn't even get
into the plunky Kojima story. And I'm like, oh, dude.
Oh. And so I've been talking to my
brother and I've been talking tothese guys and this guy, and I
could not wait to get this together.
So today on Give Me Back My Pro Wrestling on a very special

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bonus episode we have Jeremiah Plunkett, we have Kroll and we
are telling the N.W.A Kojima story.
What's up guys? How y'all doing doing?
Good. Yeah, doing good.
I just want to say I'm just hereto get my numbers up because
everyone else is doing so much better.
Hey hey, we just we're going to get you on a Part 2.

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So that's it's a it's a whole new world here at give me back
my pro wrestling. But yes, we'll get your numbers
up for sure. But anyway, thank you guys so
much. I know y'all are busy people.
You know Punky, you've got the N.W.A.
You're currently working for that you're running the roads
everywhere, working for different promotions crawl.
I know you've got the very cool and upcoming USWO event.

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Y'all are running them every month, but today we're going to
talk about the Jeremiah Plunkettversus Satoshi Kajima for the
N.W.A title story at Collision Course 2014.
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Remember, cheers to the working man.
So first of all, what was the current state of N.W.A saw at
this time, right now pro? It was probably the best time in
my book. And I mean, because actually we
were, we were probably the what?No, probably to it.
We were, we were the number one freaking N.W.A because we were

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producing weekly local TV. We were running every Friday
night. We were doing events probably at
least 60 or more shows per year.We we had, we had the irons in
the fire and we had, you know, pretty damn good roster with
Punky, you know, we built him up, you know, the kill shot with
the punch, you know, everybody was putting him over.
We were, you know, it was, I mean, I don't know, you know,

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it's my opinion, but I mean, hell, I put everything I had
into that, you know? So I'm proud of a lot of that,
you know. Yeah.
Now Punky, at this time, how long had you been in the
business and kind of what was your feelings of everything at
this point in your career? Let's see, that's 2014, so I'd
have been in around 9 years. Yeah.

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And like Kroll said, everything was really exciting.
Kroll had us in in storylines, if I remember right.
And Kroll, you may have to correct me if I'm wrong.
The whole the whole singles pushjust come.
I know the babyface term came from me doing a two on one match
against the Lords of Chaos and darn near bleeding out.

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And then like Drew, that was oneof the times when, bless him,
love him to death. But Drew Haskins, you know,
decided to quit. Like you just kind of left
wrestling. Yeah, yeah, Still sad about
that. So, OK, then while we're talking
about it, so this is actually based in the Bruce Tharpe N.W.A.
Now we know N.W.A with Plunky. You know, it's a whole new world

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for N.W.A now. But at this time, Bruce Tharpe
had been running the N.W.A. And you know, some of the names
we're going to mention in this story, Mike Searcy, TJ
Weatherby, of course, we'll talkKroll, Satoshi Kojima, but let
me tell the card right now. So this was the Collision Course
2014 card. Of course, you had the
headlining of Satoshi Kojima versus Jeremiah Plunkett for the

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N.W.A Heavyweight title. But some of the cart featured
these names like Jax, Dame, Lance Erickson, Hammerjack and
Gator, Brian Lee and Lee Condrey, Carrie Offal and Nick
Iggy, Kevin Weatherby, LightningBolt Kid, LBK, Eric Andrews,
Kahegas, and Damian Wayne. So obviously there's a big story
and I want the beginning to the end, but what was the idea for

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the match that basically I know you've been pushing Plunky and I
I loved it. I was not part of the the roster
at this point, but I love the idea of.
Tell me a little bit about whereyou got the idea crawl for
pushing Plunky in this spot. What nothing that like was
planned. I mean, usually your best stuff
just kind of kind of grows organically.

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And this is kind of what I feel we were doing as a group.
I mean, you know, like Punky said, Grew was out and the angle
where he bled out two on one. I mean, you know, it was just
kind of sometimes it's just there and it, you know,
manifests itself. Yeah.
But I mean, yeah. But that's pretty much my

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thoughts on it. OK, cool.
I feel like we kind of set the stage somewhat here.
But now, Kroll, I would love to hear the full story of the
Kojima N.W.A title debacle. Well, I don't want it to turn
into a big long, you know, tirade or whatever.
And anything I tell you about anybody is just how I feel.

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It's not trying to bury anybody or make somebody look bad or,
you know, because we all say things and do things that we're
probably not proud of at times. But, you know, it's just my
opinion. But this is what I had to deal
with to get clunky to that match.
And it it was, you know, I was ready to, you know, with some

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ass for real, with all the aggravation I had to put up with
this. So I'm heading to Millersville
on a Friday, probably two monthsbefore the the Kojima show.
Chris Juan Quilo, who was the supposedly acting vice president
of the N.W.A, calls me and say, hey, we're bringing Kojima over
for CAC to do a three or four days tour and then drop the belt

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back to Rob Conway and wanted toknow if we would be interested
in booking them. They gave us a real good price
on them. And then one of his last
questions was he asked me, he says who would you have to put
them against? I said, well, traditionally in
the N.W.A it would be my top babyface champion to get the rug

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off of the N.W.A champion. And plus, for Punky, it was a,
it was more probably appreciative of him wanting to
work somebody from New Japan, let alone a New Japan legend,
you know, So it was like a double bonus.
So, you know, I told him, I said, well, let me call Mike.

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So I got off the phone with him.I called Mike, told him what the
deal was, what the price was, because there's no way that TJ
or me on our own could afford topay somebody like Kajima to come
over. So he I called Mike.
I said Mike, I said I can make this work.
I said, but if if it falls on his ass financially, can you
help me with it? He was he was like, well, hell

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yeah. So I called Ronquillo back.
I said I said, yeah, that's good.
So they brought him in Friday, Thursday and you know, Friday he
worked Punky. Saturday he was in Houston,
which is Chris Ronquillo's town.And then he worked the Houston
Carson Kid. And then Sunday they were in CAC

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and he dropped the belt back to Conway.
So also they brought Conway in to shoot a little vignette where
he comes out into the show and challenges him.
And I put a little video together for that.
And I, I went home after that long day after all that show,
come home and put that together for them, uploaded it on my
YouTube channel. And then they stole it and put

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it on the their official N.W.A page and took credit for it.
Oh man. That's kind of, that's kind of
where it worked. But to make people understand
how I feel about Christopher Aquilo, he was pretty much like
the Paul Adams and Reno Reagan'srelationship like Saul used to
be. Paul did all the heavy, Paul did

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all the work and the heavy lifting for his booking and
setting up shows. And so basically any of the
office work that had to get done, Paul Adams did.
And then Reno kind of shows up and plays boss.
It's y'all understand what I'm saying.
And that's kind of how my perception of Bruce and Chris

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Ronquillo's relationship was. And I've always dealt with Bruce
on anything up until this point.And so this would have been
2014. So we're we became N.W.A right
after the lawsuit was settled. So that would have been December
of 2012. So what about 18 months, 19

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months into it? So but anyway, when he had
called me that original day about two months prior and I
called Cersei and you know, hey,Greedy would help me with it if
we need it be. And I told him, yeah, but he got
back to his question. He says, well, who would it be?
I said, well, it would be my topbabyface champion that we have.

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He says, well, who's your champions?
I said, well, my Southern champion is Jason Kincaid.
Oh, I like that idea, You know. So when I said that, because he
just, you know, because that guywas one of the Smoky Mountains
top guys and you know, oh, that'd be great.
I'm like, but it's going to be Jeremiah Punkett because that's

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my TV champion and my, you know,Punkett's here every week.
Kincaid's only here when we whenwe can get it and that.
So it's basically like he heard he heard that.
And you know, from my my exception of going back and
putting it, you know, playing itthrough your mind, that's how I
feel. Like he got kind of like

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thinking it was going to be Kincaid, but it never was going
to be Kincaid. It was always going to be punk
it because punk. It was our homegrown babyface
that we that's there and going to be there after Khajim was
gone. But the fact that you said Jason
Kincaid, because, you know, you said, well, that's my top
babyface, but obviously you don't have a lockdown on him.
Plucky is your guy. So anyway, I think that in his

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mind he heard me say Jason Kincaid.
I don't know, I mean, but I I was pretty blunt and clear.
Hey, it's going to be punky. So anyway, probably a few days
later, you know, we start putting our stuff together and
everything Cersei calls me and they're like, well, they have
some reservations about it beingPlunky.

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Don't you know Ronquillo wants it to be Kincaid?
I said, well, I said if it's going to be anybody other than
Plunket, I said let them pay it and then we'll film it and all
that and you know, and be be a happy brand and get on down the
road. I said there's nothing wrong
with Plunky or Kincaid. Either one of them would be
perfect to work Kajima, I said. But if it's going to be in the

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sawmill, it's going to be our home grown guy.
And at the time that was Jeremiah Plunkett, the guy that
paid the way that's there every week, you know, you know, they
let it sooner for about a week after that.
And when it probably about 5-6 weeks out, I get a call from

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Bruce and Searcy. And Bruce is like Tim, you know,
we got this relationship, you know how everybody tries to
suck, as Tony and Lt. will say, Sabi die young trying to get you
to do something. And I'm like, well, Bruce, that
goes against everything that we're trying to to do
traditionally with the NBA. So basically my comeback to them

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was like, there's no way New Japan is going to give a shit if
it's Jeremiah Plunkett or if it's whoever, you know, I said,
I said we're paying that part ofthe freight.
It's already been agreed on. And you know, we're one of,
we're your standout member. I don't care who says or
disagrees with that. At that time, for those two or

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three years, we were the standout #1 they needed us, in
my opinion, more than we needed to.
And so, and I was already sour on Ronquilo because I was going
to what I offered Bruce. And then from day one is like,
hey, y'all come in here. We're a central hub.
You can get all your key guys here once a month or every other

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week. Y'all can have the building for
free. I do the production for free.
Let's make an N.W.A show that weshould be.
And Ron Quillo will always shut.Well, the building's too small.
And I'm like, yeah, but it looksgreat.
It's a shit hole that looks great and it's it's made for TV
because I spent over 2 grand on lights getting stuff done, stuff

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wired to have that place lookingthe best it ever looked those
last three years that we were. There.
And, you know, even Bruce tells me now that he regrets that they
never, you know, like I told him, I said, if it ain't what
you want, it's a it's better than nothing.
And it's a great start. And there's no other India at
that time that had a turnkey setup and it what production

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wouldn't have cost them nothing.Talent would only cost them
whatever to get them in here. So I mean, they could afford
that, you know, but he always shot that down.
And I think the reason he shot it down is because it wasn't his
idea and it wasn't his, you know.
But anyway. So anyway, I'm on the I'm on the
I'm on this call about 8 days after we make the deal for

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Kajima. It's, you know, Bruce trying to
sobby Donnie that yeah, you know, new Jet, new Japan has,
you know, he says. I've seen Plunkett, Plunkett's,
you know, solids as they come. But you know, and I'm like, so I
get mad because I'm the type of person that, you know, is cut
and dry, how I feel, what I want, you know, what I want out

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of something. And, you know, my thing was we
were a member. We had more to offer than any
other member. We played, you know, we were
team players, you know, and if anybody in the whole world
deserved that title shot and that rub, regardless of where it
was, if somebody like Punky, A homegrown talent, you know, that

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grassroots, you know, the son ofa gun was over like a son of a
bitch, then, you know, So it wasjust the time, everything to
feel, you know, it's like, it's almost like a Rocky story kind
of feel, you know, in my opinion.
So anyway, I get sideways with Bruce and and I just go off.

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I cussed him so I didn't cuss him but I was cussing so bad
that Bruce, you know, I think it's kind of offended him.
You know, I was like look David,I said this is how it is.
I told him, I told him from the get go.
I said look either y'all can payto bring him Tajima.
If y'all want to do it here, we'll tape it and produce it and
give it to you how you want it. But y'all bring in who you want

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and y'all pay for the match. I said, because other than
giving you a place to do it, I said there's no benefit for us.
So Bruce, you know, and I feel kind of bad how that
conversation come off because I just, I, you know, for me, when
you're trying to do what I'm doing, trying to have that
creative outlet and put all thatinto running the show and then
trying to turn that into a weekly TV show.

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When I'm dealing with when I'm dealing with knucklehead shit
like this, it takes away the creative process and it kills
me, drains me, makes me just want to ahead but the wall and
go home a lot of times and I have so anyway, that called it
in. Well, and Bruce is like, well, I
got to go, you know, So we got off the phone and I just told

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him, like I said, Mike, I said, it's I said it's Plunkett or
it's nothing. And I said I don't give a if
they kick me out, don't want us back.
I said, but Mike, I said for toolong, you know, you've done it.
You know Mike, God bless him man.
And you can call him Mark or whatever.
He was tried and true with Porter, with this N.W.A.

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I mean, anytime they needed a ring somewhere in Atlanta, he
would haul a ring anytime they needed to buy a belt or pay for
some talent to come in. I mean, you know, Porter never
would book the world champions and stuff to bring them in.
But Searcy. So anyway, I told Mike, I said
Mike, I said I said, you know, you're the one that brought me
in with these guys. I said, so you know, I'm better

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than I do. I said, but you know, if I, you
know, put you in a bad light with him, I apologize.
I said, but that's just how I feel, you know, And Mike was
like, I'm 100% with you. He said it better be funky, you
know, right. And so and but on the back end,
Ron Quillo, that's why I was telling you I was going to tell
the Searcy part of the story, which I will after we get

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through this show. Because after this show, we were
all going to CAC in Vegas for Cauliflower Alley.
And it was my first time flying or going anywhere.
So that that that next morning, Miss Searcy was on a plane going
to, to Vegas. So you know, there's a lot going
on for us. But so anyway, about 3 hours

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later I get the the next call and it's from James Beard.
Now James Beard wasn't was basically the one that was
actually trying to put stuff together for Ron Quillo and and
Riviera and them shows. So he he called me So he called
me like Jim, I understand we have a stalemate here with who

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these he goes. I don't think you really
understand the importance of this.
This is for New Japan Pro Wrestling and and I said I said
James, I said I've been around. I said I've never imagined not
been nowhere, I said, but I'm smart and I understand when I'm
getting a a a bunch of bullshit.I said, look, Ron Quillo wants

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whoever else to look good in front of these New Japan people
in his mind. I said I said nobody over in
Japan probably even knows who clunky I am.
You are any of us and give a shit.
You know what I'm saying? I said so.
As long as the guy can work and do what he needs to do and not
hurt their guy, what would the issue be?

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He says, well I've looked at your guy, he he's a solid hand
and blah blah. I said look dude, I know when
I'm getting Sabi died or trying to get so I'm going to tell you.
And then I started asking him, like I said, excuse me because
now I'm just an emotional person.
I said, look, there's only threeways this thing's going to go
good or bad. I said one, we can cancel the

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mother and y'all can take him somewhere else.
I said 2, we can leave it like it is or three, y'all can pay
his freight and bring him in. We'll tape it and do whatever
you need and y'all can put him against you if you want.
I don't give a shit. And so he's like, well, Tim, I
understand where you coming from.
He says. He says personally, I don't see

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a problem with Plunkett as a talent.
He said he seems like a good hand and and blah, blah, blah.
I said, yeah, but and the thing about Chris, I should have said
at the beginning of the day, he's not smart to the business.
He was some kind of business guyand like wine and spirits in
Houston, where he's from. And nothing against him.
He just did not understand how wrestlers and terminology and

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everything works because, you know, it's like it's like,
dudes, I told you, Jeremiah Plunkett day one, and here we
are. And they didn't even want King
Kate at this time. This time they're talking about
Damian Wayne. Yeah.
You know that's. What I was going to ask, Yeah.
When did Damian Wayne enter the picture?
So it's right now that Damian came into the picture.

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OK. You know, and they Damian over
because when they first took it over, you know, and then they
shit the bed with yeah, they shit the bed with that.
That could have, you know, they could have got a good rub off of
that and those guys would have done business, I think.
But anyway, so they they had a vacant world champion.

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So they were doing like some shitty six way match in New
Jersey somewhere and Damian was supposed to go over and because
and from what I understand, because the the smart marks on
the alliance board at the time knew it was going to be Damian
Wayne. Ron Quillo made him change it
from what? But I understand what I was told
to Cahigas, which Cahigas I think is a great gimmick, great

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character. To me, his stocking and punches
are just as good as Tim Ernesto's.
I mean, you know, just smooth, but not a bad choice for a
champion, but just a hell of a way to shit on somebody.
So I think in their mind that was them trying to, you know,
and at the time they were feeding Damien and them with a
bunch of shit that they were going to New Japan to which, you

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know, if they were not, I don't know, like I said, that was
just, you know, the buzz that they were.
But you know me, I'm I'm straight, you know, look, it's
going to be Plunkett or you know, y'all pay for it and do
what you want. That's basically what I told
them. So I get off the phone with
James Beard. So then a few days later Mike's
like, I'm like, well, what do they want to do?

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He goes, well, I don't know, I think you really, you know,
offended Bruce by cussing so much.
I'm like, well, Mike, you tell me all the time that you've
cussed Ron Quillo over stupid shit like he says I have.
And so I'm like, you know, and even Marc Anthony and he agreed,
he said it's punky. It's punky or nobody.
So we get to nut cutting time. We bring Tracy down and do a

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month's worth of vignettes with him training and coaching.
Let me stop you right there. We're stellar.
That was some of the best. I mean honestly, television that
I think y'all I've ever done andas a sometime person on the
roster we ever did whatever. I think that build up with Tracy
on par with some of the best ever.
Honestly great. I don't think it was our best

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because we we were the smartest people in the room.
I think it was the best because it was organic.
Like I said at the beginning, itall just kind of play, you know?
You know, it's kind of like whenyou got Lawler and Dundee in a
feud and the people know that there's heat, you know, some
poems, that's the best, you know, You know.
So anyway, we get and shoot all this stuff with Tracy and stuff.

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So then after they sit on it forabout 3 weeks, they finally, you
know, come to an agreement with Searcy about bringing in Damian
Wayne. So that was just kind of throwed
there. I was like, I was like, well
dude, ain't nobody going to givea shit because the build is
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So we get to Thursday before theshow, all of them flying in,
some men, Mark trying to be goodhost.
We take all of them to we would want to take some more novice
look because Jack's name come inwas wanting to watch some game
or something. Wound up going to Bailey's
Sports Bar out in Rivergate. So we're all at Bailey's Sports
Bar out in Rivergate. And Ron Quillo is like telling

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Kajima, this is the, you know, like trying to hold his hand.
And I think Plunky can tell you that he wasn't he wasn't and
that hard to understand and dealwith.
I think he was a lot smarter. So that I told Mark, I said, Can
you believe how they're talking to him like he's some 5 year old
or something, You know, and likeI said, I'm not trying to make

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anybody sound bad or anything. It's just, you know, my opinion
of what happened. If they don't, if they don't
like it, you know, they can callJimmy St. and they call me.
I don't care. So but you know, I don't think
Bruce had any ill will towards it being punky.
I think he was just dealing withhis little buddy Chris, what

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Chris was wanting, because all Bruce really cared about was
showing up and playing big shot.Which is nothing wrong with that
because if you know what you gotto deal with then you know,
other than that, I've never had a a crossword with Bruce.
I know a lot of people shit on him, but he was always good to
me, always treated me good. And if I had a problem, it

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easily got worked out. Other than this, so.
So anyway, we're there, we have dinner with them and everything
goes pretty good. So we get to the show and
Cersei's cooking steaks and everything for the boys and we
do this big meet and greet and Ron Quillo.
I think it's mad because nobody's buying his gimmicks.
And then and even Cersei, Cerseidid like commemorative shirts,

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N.W.A shirts, little belts, and even Cersei wasn't selling shit
because he had so much stuff. But anyway, the meet and greet
did pretty good. We did enough meet and greet
sales to pay for Kojima. So everything was good.
The show drew probably wanted, you know, I don't know T JS
business numbers over the years because it's been so long, but

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that had to be in the top three shows drawing wise later.
And so that day the fire Marshall shows up three times
before bell time starting to shut the show down.
And TJ shoot capacity of everybody in the building was
like 175 people. Sure.
Nobody really ever knew that. So that means wrestlers,

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referees, everybody, fans and soclunky.
I don't. I'm sure you know that, but
that's why we put you on early because if the show was going to
get shut down, that match was going to happen.
Boom, there it is. That was another question I had.
Thank you. Perfect.
So. I actually didn't know that.
I thought that was a concession you had to make, no?

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Absolutely not. Absolutely no, but absolutely
not because TJ was so worried that the fire market was going
to shut him down. The last time he'd come in
there, TJ at, I think it was even before 7:30, TJ was selling
tickets and telling them to walkaround the behind the building
and sneak in the back door because we had the back door up

(28:30):
so high because it was so hot. 1,000,000°.
But I mean, you can go look at the footage on YouTube.
That place was standing room on.Right.
I mean. Yeah.
You know, and and fuck, you grewthat, you know, because
everything else was regular angles.
You know, we had a few cage matches with Gator and
hammerjack steel, but Punky was the hot item, right.

(28:53):
No, no hose barred, the whole. So Punky, I'll let you take it
over because tell him how Kojimatreated you when he got there,
because that's, you know, that ought to seal the deal with them
not thinking that you was a legit guy or something.
Yeah, and and hold up real quick.
Thank you Crow. You're a great Co host here.
So plunky as going into this, tell me kind of how you felt
when you first heard that you were the guy guy when that they

(29:15):
were going with you and there was a bit of a battle about it.
Talk about a little of that. So when I first heard it, the
the very first time I heard it, I was kind of, I'll believe it
when it happens. I I, I got to the point in in
wrestling where you know, you get promised so many things and
it never happened. And just seeing I know Bruce had

(29:39):
been and had Chris been in before Kroll.
No, that was the only time. OK, I just, I, I didn't know if
they if they would go for it. And then once we started
shooting this stuff for it, I was like, this is happening.
Right. And then I, I began being gung
ho about it and I was training my ass off and I was doing

(30:00):
anything we could promote. It's like every day I would, I
would promote something and I was, I was let in a little bit
on the battle that was going on.Like I, I knew and very thankful
that that Tim and Mark and Mike were fighting for me.
I didn't know to what degree I didn't know.
Is is extreme, as cruel as she'ssaying, but I knew, I knew,

(30:25):
especially, especially day of I knew Chris.
Chris kind of blew me off like that day, like I, I, I shook
Bruce's hand and he was he was cool.
Bruce has always been cool as far like to me.
And and then Chris was just like, Yep, all right, cool bud.
In fact, I believe I may have told him what you're welcome for

(30:47):
the house because I was pretty salty.
But what's up, man? Kajima wants in.
And Kajima was awesome. He was great.
I, I went up and I introduced myself.
He's like, and you know, he, he said he knew who I was and that
on the plane ride over, he had watched my matches so that we
could work together. You had talked about them having

(31:07):
Rob Conway in. Didn't they try to say Rob was
supposed to be the translator and help us put the match
together? Yeah, I think so.
He just sat like he just sat there.
Me and Kajima put the match together.
He wasn't needed for that. Kajima spoke, playing up
English. This was not his first time in
the States at all. Did Rob get a payday for that
girl? I'm sure he did, but that was

(31:29):
probably too Bruce and. Not on your side, yeah, no.
Not at all. I was going to say, man.
I I do want to go back on on Tracy though, real quick,
please. Yeah.
Tracy was coming in and I, I don't know, I, I guess it really
doesn't matter to give away Tracy's business.
I know somebody was or else was originally scouted for that and

(31:51):
they wanted like a, a significant pay off to come in.
And it was somebody that I at the time had not been linked
with at all. And then the idea got shot to
Tracy. And from my understanding and
pro, correct me if I'm wrong, hewas coming in for barely over
gas money to shoot those vignettes.
I think we paid them 100 bucks but then I think the night of
the show he gave it to TJS old lady after the one of the

(32:13):
benefit shows. We did the following after TJ
passed away, but I think we gavehim 100 bucks to come in and do
that. Yeah, and, and let's talk about
these vignettes real quick. Tracy, you don't talk about
anything beforehand, right? We were playing off each other.
Everybody knows how broken down Tracy was at that time.
Yeah, but man, when that red light came on, he shoot belly to

(32:35):
belly suplex me. If you find those vignettes and
you see the one where he gives me a belly to belly, I was not
ready and I did not help. Yeah, yeah.
He just shoot belly to belly, suplexes me and train.
That's amazing and. He cuts money promos like
there's a go home money promo with him in front of the N.W.A
Saul banner and watching it to this day makes me cry and I'll

(32:56):
forever be thankful to Tracy fordoing that.
Right now everybody's talking about Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
I love it. I love it.
It's cool. I'm going to come seminars in
good, great attitude. Whatever I can do to help you.
I've been blessed to help so many guys that have made in this
sport. You've got the heart, you got

(33:16):
the desire, you got the biggest.This is the biggest.
You got everything to gain and nothing to lose.
If you can hold on to that and by May 30th you be the Saul
N.W.A television champion. You have a shot at the
heavyweight champion of the world, right?
If I can ever say his name right, Kojima, is that right?
Hey, I wrestled in Japan 21 tours.

(33:37):
I wrestled for new Japan all Japan for wings IWA Japan FMW.
There's. One more I can't remember.
But, but, but I know who he is and, and he's a tough guy and
he's not taking you lightly. Japanese, their, their culture
is not that way. That's not they are well
prepared. Those people, a dishwasher works
1216 hours a day. Am I wrong or right?

(33:57):
They had the tsunami. They've already rebounded.
Those people worked their butt off.
You're the first of three tile shots.
You know what, you're not going to sneak up on him.
But he is taking like a 16 hour flight with the 13 hours ahead.
It's their, their time, their, their time.
It's like, what, it's three hours in the morning there.
You know what I mean? His sleep's going to be all
messed up. Jet lag is a big thing.

(34:19):
I know that. I've been on a plane that could
have hurt Rob Conway, you know, when he dropped the belt to him
over there, you know, in the Tokyo Dome.
So you got a lot of advantages on that.
But you what you can't worry about is all the things on
social media and all the being directed towards you.
Negativity, you know, preparation meets opportunity.
You're a humble young man. The N.W.A board has selected

(34:41):
you. All right, But you got to hold
on to that. We got a lot of work to do.
Japanese style is a big, big difference, man.
I've been in the in the ring, been fortunate with some of the
great Japanese wrestlers or someof the greatest wrestlers of all
time. And let me tell you what, man,
you better be ready to bring it when you're in there with them.
They can take it easy. That's from Antonio Inoki to the
giant Baba Ricky Choshu, Kenta Kobayashi, Kawata Sakaguchi,

(35:07):
Hashimoto Muta, which I know a lot of those guys like that then
they playing man, they play them.
If you blow up, if you get winded, they will embarrass you.
One thing you got going for you is this is your home crowd.
This is your home. You're the home home field
advantage. This guy's not worried about the
roar of the crowd. My right right.

(35:27):
He's not worried about it. He's coming here.
He's coming here to embarrass you and he's hoping that he's
going to have an easy 1. He knows you're coming in dude,
but he's looking already ahead. I what I would say is in a
little bit, but he's looking to go to Houston, TX.
Well, maybe. He may not make it.
He may not make it, man. You want to be.
You got to know, you got to believe.
I can tell you that Mike can encourage you.

(35:50):
The board of directors can encourage you.
Everybody that that is in your corner, that knows that you're a
good guy, knows that you're a good friend and knows you've
been nine years in this businessat the age of 27.
Wrong. Right?
Mikey Woods. Mikey Woods.
I love Mikey Woods, but you know, you got a great attitude
and you're working your butt off.
You hold a regular job. You'd like to do this for a
living. Well, this is your chance.
May 30th. But you got to hold on to that

(36:11):
between now and I know I'm goingon and on after I stroke 3
hours. I've been thinking about.
I was going to say I love those guys that are upset that they
don't have the title shot. That's not my decision.
That's not your decision. That's the board's decision.
That's between Bruce Starr. Right.
You, this is a chance for you got everything to gain and
nothing lose. We got a lot of work to do.

(36:31):
Like I said, we got to get in there.
You got to, you got to get it, man.
Some of Japanese greatest athletes become professional
wrestlers. It's no joke.
Japanese press will be here. It's a big deal.
It's a big deal for him to come to the United States and
dependent the oldest, the most prestigious world title, which
is the N.W.A World Champion Harley Race.
Lucas Gene Koninsky, Pat O'Connor.

(36:54):
OK Ric Flair. Of course.
You know what I mean? You know Chris Candido, I got to
put him in there. I always ask me who was the
toughest guy, the best match desire.
He was with Chris Candido and you know why?
Not because he was the biggest. Not because he was the
strongest. Not even because he was the
toughest. He had the most heart he had the
most desire he had. It's 80% mental, it's 20%
physical. It's 100% right here, right?

(37:15):
You got that, But you're a nice guy.
You got to get rid of that. This business is for cut
throats, Morocco, snakes, sharksand all that.
You ain't got to be cut throat. You ain't got to be snake, but
you've got to be a shark. You've got to be a bear.
You've got to be a lean, mean fighting machine.
Let's get to work, man. Before the match, he was, he was

(37:38):
like a legitimate coach, like heshot the vignettes.
But the whole time I'll be, I'llbe warming up and he's like,
hey, man, hey, hey, need some calories.
And he'd give me a protein bar and then he'd come back a little
bit later with like half an orange like here, man, need this
for energy. All right, you know, he said
he's leading me through warm upsand then and I I'll tell this

(37:59):
now because of sure statute of limitations.
And then he hands me a lower taband he goes, this will get you
loose out there like Tracy was. Tracy wanted me to.
Succeed. Yeah, man, he just, he just.
Wanted it. He was God.
I'm crying. Sorry.
Guys. Oh.

(38:20):
God, yeah, That was the biggest compliment I've ever been given
in my life. Yeah, around 20 years ago.
This is a true show. God bless his soul.
Chris Candido. You guys remember him?
Oh, yes, I wrestled him in the finals of the N.W.A turn.
Dennis Corluso, You remember him?
He's not with us no more either if it's 93 or 94 or something
like that and we had a tournament.

(38:41):
I wrestled Devin Storm got past him.
Eddie Gilbert about killed me. He he sprayed me with the fire
extinguisher. Oh gosh.
And then and and I lost in the finals to Chris Candido.
You remind me a lot of Chris Candido.
Your heart with your being a humble young man that you are.
But one thing Chris Candido had that you are doing now.
He was he, He trained, he lived,eat and breathed our business.

(39:05):
Until the next show I did and I said I'm going to miss a diving
headbutt and then I did it and Igo, I don't know how he did
this, but no, yeah, he told me. I I reminded of Candido and
that's the biggest compliment I I probably could have been given
because that's one of my idols. Just so you just so you know, we
were just throwing ideas around on the other guy.

(39:27):
The other guy was just the firstguy we thought of because at
that time he was working out a lot with Josephus and training
him. Mark was the one that come up
with the story of the aspect of having a veteran like coaching
and all that stuff. And then they were up there
using the building a little bit before that.
And we were just like, what about cash?
And then, you know, I think whenhe come back with a high price

(39:50):
suit and then Mark was like, youknow, who's the person for that,
Tracy? That's how that kind of fell
together. So you're talking about kid cash
was the original idea. Yeah, but I mean, that was just,
he never was like it. Was.
Just going it was just this, youknow, pitching ideas together.
Mark was the one that come up with the idea that the the
grizzled veteran trainer and then, you know, because he was

(40:13):
working with Joe up there training him, you know, it was
just it was like, what about that?
You know, and he's like one or too much money or whatever.
So then it marks like, you know,Tracy would be perfect for that.
So boom, that's how that came together.
In a sense almost better. I mean, I, I don't no
disrespect. I love kidding Cash.
But I think Tracy, yeah. But the reason it wasn't reason

(40:35):
it wasn't, it wouldn't have beenany goods like Funky said, he's
never had no history connected with him so.
Well, see, I didn't even know about cash.
I since if it's worth putting that out there I always heard it
would be Doctor Tom. I mean, if that is, that's more
throwing ideas together, but from what I remember is just

(40:55):
going to be cash. I mean, Doctor Tom might have
come up and might have wanted too much too.
I don't. But cash was the one that I
remember. I've also been hitting the head
a lot, so it's possible inflating a lot of things, but
this whole time I've been, I've been under the impression it was
originally Doctor Tom, no. Just keep cash, OK?
OK, see, you're right, I do not know half the things about this.

(41:19):
I'm loving this. I remember it being a locker
room sell out too. There's people totally not on
the show, just hanging out. You know what?
You know what tipping me about that too is Quentin, you know,
messaged me. He called me or messaged me.
He asked me. He said would it be OK if I came
to the show and and come in the back?
I said you better. That's the way.

(41:40):
Yeah, seriously. You know, God, he's so humble.
Oh my gosh. Do you ever just want to shake
Quinton sometimes? Pluck you just say, dude, you're
awesome. Chill out.
I tell him at all the time. He.
He just, yeah, he's always been like that.
I don't want to say always been like that, but he's definitely
become like that. Nah, man, I wanted him to be

(42:02):
there for that, too. I remember I wouldn't pick him
up like I brought because he wasalready starting to not get
around too great at that point. That's one of the the two shows
my parents ever came to. That's awesome.
That's awesome. You know, so it it holds AII
have a few Flyers from my wrestling.
The only thing I have up in my office, not right now because

(42:24):
we're about to move, but the only thing I have up in the
office right now as far as Flyers wise, is that is that
flyer because that's one of the highlights of my career.
Yeah, probably the highlight of my involvement in anything too.
So let me ask you this because you know, this kind of the fly
on the wall here type element here because you and I were were

(42:44):
talking plunky. I was kind of temporarily out of
the business for a little bit and you and I were talking on
the phone or text or whatever atthat time.
And I remember you were like, yeah, man, it's up in the air.
I think it's going to happen. These kinds of things.
So leading into the the work with Tracy, was Tracy also
giving you off the side advice like, hey, here's how I would do

(43:04):
this or anything like that? Were you getting anything from
Tracy like that? Not so much in in like putting
the match together or anything like that.
He was, he was giving me advice that I I think would have been
more true in in his tours of Japan.
Sure. You would always hear about like

(43:25):
your first time over there. The guys are super stiff with
you and like they try to take advantage of you.
And he was telling me to watch out for that.
But I'll tell you right now, Kojima was like butter, dude.
So smooth, so easy. Never had that issue.
But he would, he would warn me about that, you know, he didn't.
He would tell me about what he would go over there and they'd
take advantage of him until he lit them right back up.

(43:47):
And you got to, you got to kind of earn your respect.
But man, I never had that issue with Kojima.
Maybe that's a continental thingor something, but.
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7:00. So putting the match together

(45:05):
with Kojima now, obviously you said Rob Conway, you know,
quotation marks, a translator, whatever.
Was it you, Tracy, Kojima and Rob sitting in a circle?
Or was it you and Kojima and Tracy wasn't there?
Or did Tracy sit in with the building of the match at all?
Or how did any of that work? We were all for there, but like,

(45:29):
it's really just just me and Kojima, OK?
And so Kojima obviously understands you talking, right?
He understands English enough that, you know, talk a little
bit about that. Well, I, I watch a lot, a lot of
film too, to be ready on the stuff he does.
But yeah, it's all all suggestions, you know, you know,

(45:52):
maybe this here and we just, we had to lay out more than we
normally would have because of the obvious language barrier.
But there was a lot of just flowin, in it too.
You know, we, the, the, the bombs and the home stretch, you
know, we kind of laid out and everything else we just kind of
worked with, OK, you do this thing when you do this.

(46:12):
I know you're going for this. It, it was pretty easy.
I mean, I, I, it's weird to say,but he's an old pro.
He's, you know, he'd been doing it a long time at that time.
Right. And fucking wouldn't you say
that the crowd was kind of not for both of you?
But I mean, they didn't really look at him as like, go back to
Japan, you know, they didn't really Boo him.

(46:33):
It was more kind of a respectable, this is the
champion kind of thing, right? Yeah, they're they're
respectable now. They did do AUSA champ at one
point and I'm like, well, he's not exactly the evil foreign
menace or anything, but but no, they didn't they never they
never booed him. They did show show him respect
and his just him coming out for the entrance was cool and he's

(46:56):
just he's a tank man. Just you don't realize how big
he is until you're right there. Yeah, yeah.
But such a gentleman. And so working with him within
the match now you said you did, he didn't go stiff on you, the
classic strong style deal there.But were there things about him
that I guess like for all the guys that you had worked before

(47:17):
and we know you'd already workedsome a massive amount of legends
because of the availability thatwe had to them in that area.
But talk about the similarities to some people, or maybe just is
his style totally his own? As far as when you were in the
match itself, talk a little bit about actually wrestling him.
Man, I tell you only things I felt I felt three things.

(47:39):
The the the first and last shop in his machine gun shops.
Yeah, that all the ones in the middle are a little lighter.
And then I I hope that doesn't kill kill the image and that
elbow drops a little heavy. Yeah, OK, OK.
The the lariat, you know, if youknow what you're doing, it's not
going to hurt you. Right.
Right, but I don't know he really took his time on

(48:04):
anything. I don't know if there's anybody
like I could point out to to hisstyles.
Like, I mean, his style is not Idon't want to say not unique
because it is his own, but it's not like like something I've
never encountered before. Like, you know, his his move
sets were, you know, lariat, diamond cutter, DDT elbow, you

(48:27):
know, and rolling elbow like those are, those are his big
things. Yeah.
All, all stuff. And he he's not.
And man, but the thing he didn'thave to do, but he did was he
did his best to make me, you know, and I, and I'm sure Chris
Rockwell specifically probably didn't like that.
But I mean, he saw, you know, hetook the knockout punch and

(48:49):
really you thought I dropped him.
And I think the people in the crowd, because we did.
There's a rope break, but I think the people in the crowd
thought there was a chance, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. And that's the beauty of it,
right? That's the beauty of it when
they when he gives you that and and let you, that's the beauty
of wrestling, man. So, OK, at the end of the match
and and how did you feel about the, I guess the overall match

(49:12):
itself at the end of it? And I want to go to Plunky and
then I would love to hear what you think crawl on that.
At the time I was a a little upset that it was mid card, not
knowing that you did it so that the match would happen, thinking
that that was a concession that had to be made.
So I was a little upset thinkingthat and the fact that we could

(49:34):
only do 10 minutes because Kojima had to come back and
wrestle in the main. Yeah.
You know, 4 minutes. The the one with Damien. 4
minute job. So I was, I, I wish we'd have
been getting 15, maybe even 20. I, I, I believe we could have
told a really story and a real good story and I believe we

(49:55):
could have really hooked them. But you know, at the at the end
of of the day, it's again, it's the highlight of my career.
And and Crow, you're right when you said that, especially at the
time like that, I cared more about who it was than the belt.
And I know that seems crazy, butbeing a massive Japanese

(50:17):
wrestling fan that I am knowing exactly who Satoshi Kojima was
and following his matches and all the tapes that I've had, I
had and stuff like that. It was, I mean, I dude, I don't,
I, I haven't, I didn't go to thering and get starstruck a lot,
but by that point, but when he made his entrance, like it was
weird, you know, and I'm glad I had Tracy there to kind of keep

(50:38):
me calm. But in the entrance, man, if you
watch the video, I'd never received a reaction like that.
And it was crazy. Like those people were going
nuts and they're so invested and, you know, crawl who hooked
up all the advertising stuff? Crawl Like when I you guys had
me go to radio and go to Rudy Kayla's was that Hughes?

(51:01):
And I know Lakeisha. No, I know Lakeisha.
Yeah, a lot of that. The Rudy Kayla's was Lakeisha.
Yeah, so I mean, we, we plugged it through, you know, and Rudy
was great. God, that that was cool too, to
do an interview with the sports guy I'd watched my entire life.
But. But I just so much went into
that and I I, I truly feel and. I don't know if you know this,

(51:26):
but they were supposed not touchyou off real quick, but they
were supposed to do a live remote there before the show.
But they one of the local teams,baseball softball girls team was
going through the state or something.
Got got us preempted that that the day before.
I knew he said he was supposed to be there.
Yeah. And and wasn't but.

(51:48):
That's why he wasn't. That's what we were told.
OK, Yeah, I don't know. I just, I really think, and I
hate this because it sounds likeI'm Tooting my own horn and I
hate that that they there's a missed opportunity because of
the drama. Yeah, yeah.
I think it should have been, I don't know, I just think it
could have been awesome. It was awesome.

(52:08):
Like don't get me wrong, I'm notsaying it wasn't.
I just hate that the the drama led to so much BS and like there
was people upset. I don't know who was working
upset and who was shoot upset and stuff.
Like like I know like Shawn Schultz and I were in an angle
so I know he was working upset but then there was other people
posting about me not deserving match and getting kind of

(52:31):
personal with the insults. There you go.
So Damian Wayne, we know everybody.
I like Damian Wayne. I have nothing bad to say about
Damian Wayne whatsoever. I know you work with him
currently, Kroll. I know that's an active, you
know, relationship there. As far as professional wise, I
mean, was there some heat there?Was he upset about some things?
I mean, far as what he told me is that he didn't want to

(52:52):
infringe on funky and you know, like he was trying to.
I mean, but you know, if Punky heard something that I did and
that's what he actually told me,so I mean, you know.
I, I've never brought it up because frankly, I, I didn't
care enough to. And I'm the same way.
I like Damien and I would have hated if, if it would would have
been legitimate because I, I would look at him a different

(53:15):
way. But that, that, that's good to
to know that because I've never wanted to ask.
Yeah, yeah. But yeah, he was just it's just
there mainly because they wantedin there way.
He played it to me so. Okay, so victim of the
circumstances of a bit, you know, but you know the things
that that go on. So if in reverse Jason Kincaid

(53:37):
had a bit of available, do you think they would have tried to
push him further into it or was that literally just scrapped
once it was over? After that initial phone call,
he was he was only brought up tome.
At the time. OK, gotcha.
OK, yeah, OK. That's that's I'm just curious
about that too. So.
Because we were talking about, you know, other like, you know,

(54:00):
other names, you know, like national names like T&A, you
know, style names and stuff. I was like, you know, you know,
that's why I was so aggravated. I like look, this is the way it
is. That's the way it's going to be.
You know, if y'all don't want togo that way, bring in who you
want, but you're paying for it. Right, right.
And I'm washing my hands up it, But you know, the fact that you

(54:22):
basically died on that hill. I, I, I absolutely respect that
so much of you that you not onlybelieved in your guy, you
literally like a force of naturemade that happen.
Well, you might be looking at itthis way.
It's not that I didn't love Punky, but, you know, we were
all for one and one for all, youknow?

(54:42):
Yeah. So what benefited Punky?
Benefited me. And TT.
Yeah. You know.
Yeah, that's. Awesome.
Jerry Lawler at that time, you know.
Yeah, yeah. He made the territory.
So the after effects of this match now, once everything
settles down, where did everything go after that?
Talk a little bit about that crow.

(55:04):
All right, the next night they were in Houston with Kojima and
that was Chris Ronquilo show andfrom what I remember, this has
been 8-9 years now, but best I remember the the setup was real
dark because they taped them like a AVFW hall or something.
They had like tables for ring barriers with the front row if I

(55:29):
remember right. So the setup, the setup looked
like shit. Houston Carson looked like
$1,000,000. But I guarantee you the
reaction, the match and everything was nothing like what
they had that Friday night and then at the CAC, which I think
was actually on a Sunday or Monday night.
I'm not sure the show, but you know that there's more of the

(55:51):
boys watching the matches than it is actually the fans.
You know, that was more like just a place to do the title
change, really. If they were smart, if they were
smart and nothing against Plunkyas just, you know, just as far
as the production value and the atmosphere and the setup, they

(56:12):
would have been better to do a title switch.
It's solvent. But they did a flat finish in
Vegas. Nobody gave a shit, you know,
because it's just, you know, theboys at the CAC, everybody
that's ever been in the businessshould go at least one time to
experience it. It's weird, especially the
wrestling shows. You have Nick Bockwinkle sitting
in the crowd. You have like the first night we

(56:34):
was there, I was sitting in the row right behind where Nick
Bockwinkle and Scott Hall were talking.
So it's it's pretty cool. Terry Funk walked up to me in
the lobby, said, hey, how you doing?
Buddy? Shook my hand.
You know, he come to me like going to the little liquor
store. They got in there.
I was coming, I was coming out of it.
He was going in and he said, hey, buddy, how you doing?

(56:55):
You know, what's your name, you know, so everybody should at
least go to CAC one time. So anyway, out of the three
matches that could or the four matches that Kajima had their
hands down, you know, from here to the moon, everybody else is
trying to trying to break off, not even getting off 2 inches
off the ground. Him and Punky were passed

(57:15):
Saturn. That's how in my opinion, which
I think my opinion should mean something because, you know, I'm
the one that put it together andwanted to edit it.
And you know, from just everything where he's the best
and, and from what, you know, for them not to really have
anything far as television or anything.
They really missed the boat whenthey didn't take Take me and TJ

(57:38):
up on our offer. Because could you imagine the
rub that we would have got if wewere kind of the central hub
with all the talent coming through and stuff?
You know, because. That would have been the, that
would have been the payoff for us locally and guys like Plunky
getting to work, all these guys coming for, you know, but we
wasn't good enough, you know, Sothey never had no TV.

(57:59):
That's why other shit sucked outside of the few that actually
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