Jeremiah Plunkett on GMBMPW!

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Ladies and gentlemen, this is wrestling's last journeyman, the
pride of Tater Peeler, Tennessee.
And if I do say so myself, one hell of a hand, Jeremiah
Plunkett, and I'm telling you tolisten up and give me back my
pro wrestling. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to
Give Me Back My Pro wrestling. Hello, Sir.

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Don't know. Now you know.
Baby, this is Hot Rod Bigs, Jared, Jimmy St.
We're going to take them to the limit One more time, baby.
Right here. Oh, give me back my pro
wrestling, ladies and gentlemen,welcome one more time to the
Give Me Back My Pro Wrestling podcast.
And I'm here, as always with my brother from the same father and
mother, the Plastic Chic, Jared St.

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What's up chic? How you doing today?
Well, not much brother, How about you?
Not much, not much, just doing the thing you know how it is.
So yeah, yeah, it's, it's my favorite time of the year.
It's March Madness time. So you know, a lot of my time
lately has been spent watching basketball for hours on end,
but. Yeah, yeah.
You just spent the whole weekendbasically, didn't you?

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Yeah, I spent those first four days, the Thursday through
Sunday, pretty much watch. I mean as soon as they're on
till when they go off, I'm watching them.
So. Yeah, and who you got, Duke?
You picking your team? I can't.
I couldn't pick them this year. They look good in their last
game against James Madison, but I've got Connecticut, they they

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look the best. I don't know, I'm not really
Connecticut fan, but they've looked the best so.
He. Tried to I tried to pick her, I
tried to pick and I the winner this year, sort of going with my
heart. Yeah, who's your final four?
It was Connecticut, Kentucky, which I missed that one, Houston
and North Carolina, which that hurts my heart.

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But North Carolina in there. But as a new fan.
But they got a good ball club. I mean, it's, it's nothing.
You could. You can.
You could not. Like a team and still realize
they've Got Talent. So yeah.
I know one team I'm not pulling for, and that's NC State, but
that's a whole other ball game, whole other reason for that.

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And if you know, you know, we'lljust say that.
But anyway, we got a cool show today, man.
Our old buddy Jeremiah Plunkett's coming on the show
again, Part 2. I love it.
Yeah, man, I'm I'm happy to get to talk to Plunkett.
I know it's in a way a little bit of a Part 2 1/2 or something
like that with him. Yeah.
With a with a Kojima episode there before with Crawl and him.

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Yeah, but really a Part 1 for you so.
It's yeah, Part 1 for me. I was getting ready to say that
but it's my first time getting the chat with Plunky so.
Yeah, he's a good dude. Am I allowed to call him Plunky?
Yeah, of course, of course, Yeah, Yeah, of course that
that's how most people call him.And I think that would be
natural to call him that. Yeah.

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But but he's a good guy. You know, anytime we can have
him on the show, it's always welcome.
Back in the early days of this podcast, I was even trying to
think of a segment for him to come on and kind of do that.
And then that kind of turned into the Mike Jablonski show.
And then that kind of, you know,processed itself on down the
line. But anyway, yeah.
So anyway, plunk. He's a good dude.

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We're excited to have him on in our last episode.
A lot of people really enjoyed that when I think Gene Liggin
surprise some people. But I mean, you know, when
you're a guy who committed his life to the pro wrestling
business and you did it by any means necessary as far as
working wherever you could, you know, there's something cool
about that. And I think his story touched a
lot of people. And we've received a lot of

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notes about how, you know how much they enjoyed it.
Ben Jordan sent me a note last night saying he just finished
the episode. And, you know, he says, I just
listened to the Gene Liggin episode.
It was awesome. I love all the different stories
that different guys have. Y'all do a great job getting him
out there for all the people to hear.
And I said thank you man. That's a that means a lot coming
from you, Ben. You know Ben's, Ben's a good

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dude. Ben's one of our favorite guests
all time, so yeah, it's good to hear that.
Yeah, he's one of my favorite people all time for sure.
He's, you know, got a cool storyhimself and, you know, got to
get him back on with Steve and do a Wild Boys episode in the
future. But anyway, he even brought up
the idea of we should do a GimmeBack My Pro Wrestling reunion
and have all the guys we've had come on and, you know, tie it in

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with the Wolfie podcast and everything.
And man, that's a good idea. So do we start to go fund me now
there? You go, there you go.
Yeah, absolutely. Good going.
Yeah, anyway, I like that idea. That might be something we could
do down the line. We'll see.
But anyway, we got a cool 1 today with Jeremiah Plunkett.
I'm. Ready for it, man?
Let's get. All right, well, let's get it on
here. We'll be right back with Plunky

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All right, we are back one more time with the Chic and for 1/3
time I do believe we have our very special guest and and what

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I would say is give me back my pro wrestling's favorite
wrestler, Jeremiah Plunkett. Thank you for coming on brother.
How are you today? Thanks for having me fellas.
Yeah. Let's say 2 1/2 times because I
think I only talked for half of 1 of them.
But the show was focused around your match.
Well, oh, man, yeah, that's all that matters.

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It's your. First time It's your first time
with me on here. That's true, yes.
Yeah, yeah. We, we we've upgraded in the Co
host department here. So, so we always start every
show with the Sheik's favorite question.
Take it away, Sheik. All right, So this question is,
does that kind of let people know your influences in
wrestling and maybe just so you like watching growing up or over

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the years you've just enjoyed watching If you had a Mount
Rushmore and I always give 4:00 to 5:00.
If you need 6, go ahead and throw it in there of like your
Mount Rushmore wrestlers all. Right.
So mine's different than a lot of people's because a lot of
people, like they go, oh, it's the draw or the biggest stars.
I always do my personal Mount Rushmore, Arne Anderson.
Oh gosh. Beautiful Bobby Tracy Smothers,

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Jerry Lawler. Oh man.
That's a beautiful list, man. Wow, Yeah.
And if if you don't want to throw a fifth that doesn't
relate to them at all. But I'm a huge fan of Jumbo
Seruta, but you wouldn't tell itin a lot of my work.
I mean maybe some because he's more old school all Japan, but.
Yeah, yeah. All the other ones like I steal

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liberally from. Yeah, yeah, You know where we've
had a lot of guys that have doneAll Japan on recently, I've
inadvertently watched a lot of Jumbo matches.
You know, Tommy Angel, Gene Liggin, Joel Deaton, those guys,
they've all wrestled in that. And then Jumbo was incredible,
man. Super, super incredible.

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Jumbo had such a crazy trajectory of his career, like,
you know, he was the chosen student of of Baba and he was
just like the young plucky upstart wrestler.
But then once you know, he's theone who shined up Masawa and,
you know, and Kawada and all the, you know, all the pillars.
So like he was right before the big take off of All Japan going

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into NOAA and like where he's just the grumpy old guy at the
top of the mountain trying to fight all these young guys off
is is just bitter, mean, nasty bully.
Jumbo was my favorite Jumbo. Oh, yeah, yeah.
But I mean, you know, going backto the rest of your list, not to
cut you off, Jared, sorry, but did you, you've actually worked
on shows with three of those guys, right?

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I've worked on shows, DefinitelyTracy of Wrestle Tracy.
Bobby Eaton's managed managed mebefore.
I've been on shows with Lawler. Yeah, see.
See, I thought so. Yeah, and I've met Arne, but now
I've never done any shows with him.
My spot, yeah. No, no, I was.

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I'm always the ARN Anderson to Jimmy's great player so.
It's yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, He's always
been my, my AA, except he's yeah, yeah, Jared.
But anyway, yeah, that, that's agreat list.
And honestly, on any given day, that could be my list, that
could be the Jared's list, that could be anybody's list, 'cause
those guys are just I, I see, you know, even though Lawler

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basically was the king of the territory, no pun intended, You
know, those guys are all workhorses, you know what I
mean? Those guys could literally work
with anybody and have a good match.
And that that's, that says a lotabout actually you too.
You know, I feel like you're oneof those guys that could pull a
good match out of just about anybody, man.

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So. I was always told that's the the
meaning of the job. Yeah.
Which, you know, come to find out it's to get over and that's
sometimes not, you know, is easier said than done.
But if you can have a match withanybody, you can say employed.
Yeah, exactly. I mean that that's no doubt.
Yeah. I mean, that's a great Mount
Rushmore and I think that startsoff the show very well.

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So our next question and and this show's going to be a little
different since we've had you onbefore.
We're going to kind of touch on some things, but honestly, we're
just going to have fun with thisone and and hopefully entertain
the people. So the very first question I
always start with is tell us a little bit about your younger
days. I know know a lot of these, but
go ahead and tell the people where you were born, where you
went to high school, what sportsyou played in high school, tell

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your younger days story. So I was born in a town called
Murfreesboro, TN. I was about to say a small town,
but it's not a town anymore. No, no.
I went to actually went to two high schools.
So when I first went into high school, I was zoned for Blackman
High School. And then two years into high
school, a high school opened like right down the street

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because the city was growing so much that they had to go ahead
and build another one. Blackman was already, it was
only like 3 or 4 years old and they had to build a whole new
school and it was Siegel High School.
Wow. At both high schools, I I played
football. That was always my sport growing
up. Played some baseball when I was
real, real young, but that was boring.
I was a kid who was out in the outfield just like staring off,

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you know what I mean? Especially if you're like coach
pitch, you know, none of these kids get hit it out there like
laying in the grass and stuff. But I remember I was playing
because they just moved you wherever in coach pitch because
none of us are really that, you know, there's a couple good kids
and then everyone else is just kind of there to do something.
But they moved me to catcher andsomeone tried to steal a home

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and I just ran them over and I was like, I like this contact
thing. So I started football after
that. But so I played football all
through high school when I went to Seagull on top of football,
that's when I started amateur wrestling.
I was, I was decent. I was a state qualifier.
I wasn't, I wasn't great or anything.

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You know, I, I was probably around 500, maybe a little over.
But, and yeah, I mean, that was,and I guess that's actually
where pro wrestling started to around then, probably around
high school, got into the backyard wrestling.
God, yeah. Yeah.
Jay Phoenix. Even before then.

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Even before. Well, what was it, JP?
Dangerously. I love it.
I'm sorry, I forgot that. That's my bad.
In my mind I was Paulie Nephew. Nice.
That's what I'm gonna. Ask how were you related to
Polly there? I guess when he did his run
through the Memphis territory, he.
Yeah, he got around. Yeah, that's a crazy story that,
you know, I've heard some thingsabout how there was going to be

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WCW was going to come to USWA and be.
It's like it was going to be basically what it was for the
WWE not soon after that, but that Eddie and Paul cut the deal
off once they found out that it was going to happen and they
tried to get it killed. It's a crazy story.
We talked about it on the Kevin Lawler episode.
But anyway, yeah, that's that's cool.

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So when did you start liking wrestling?
Do you remember? What was your first memory of
wrestling? I, I can remember it being on
when I was really, really young and like, I, I know I had, you
know, like the Hulk Hogan stuff,wrestling buddy, and you know, I
had Ultimate Warrior like booties that had his head on the
toes of them, crazy stuff like that.

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But yeah. Did did you have those sushi?
No, he's, I'm. Looking on eBay for him right
now dude. That'd be rad if they were
there. That'd be crazy because I
vividly remember those. But like really falling in love
with it was when I discovered Memphis Wrestling because it had

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a different feel too. I always watched it, like don't
get me wrong, on Saturday morning after cartoons.
Then you'd have the, like, syndicated shows and stuff like
that coming on. And I just remember flipping
through and catching Memphis wrestling, and I'm like, what's
this? And it was just, you know, his
lower budget. But it seemed more raw and real
and like, they broke out into fights and the fight seemed

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believable. The promos, didn't, you know,
they weren't. Let me tell you something,
brother. They were, you know, Lawler
cutting somebody down, Dundee cutting somebody down, Dutch
cutting somebody down and getting in a fistfight.
You know, there was blood and that that was my ECW before I
discovered ECW. Nice.
Yeah. I mean, Memphis really is the OG
hardcore company, you know, it'sthe OGA lot of things.

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But you know, and that's the exact same thing I think Jared
and I felt when we saw Mid-Atlantic and we saw Crockett
on TBS, it was definitely different.
It wasn't as brightly colored. And, you know, it had, you know,
I remember seeing Wahoo McDanielin the Italian Stallion
wrestling and I was like, Oh my God, why can't I stop watching
this? You know, and I loved Wahoo, you
know? And you know, when it comes down

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to it, though, I definitely understand what you're saying
because, you know, it seemed like WWF is almost like a
cartoon basically to us at that point, you know, versus.
Cartoon that we loved, but. Yeah, of course, of course I.
Mean early 90s WCW same way, youknow, that's when these are all
the young pistols, which, you know, love both the guys in it.
But come on, man, can't be the Southern boys, you know, That's

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when they started getting reallyweird with things.
Exactly, Yeah. Normally the lunatic.
Yeah, you got Steve Armstrong and Tracy Armstrong.
Yeah, we we always joke that he's the step Armstrong.
So you. Know they practically always
said that. Yeah, exactly.
So what was what was your your start in wrestling and you know,
like your your first match, maybe first promotion, you work

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for everything like that. OK, so little back story to, to
get to that. So I, I thought I was going to
play college football, but I played offensive line and
stopped growing at 5:00. So there's not a whole bunch of
5-10 offensive lineman, especially for, for bigger
schools. I did get a couple scholarship

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offers, but they're the private universities, which even after
the scholarship, I would have been paying like 10 grand a year
to go. And, you know, we were we were
barely middle class. So, you know, mom looked at me
and was like, I'm not paying 10 grand a year for you to play
football, which I understood. So that that's when I was like,
OK, well, let me look into this wrestling thing.

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So I would go to local indie shows on the weekends.
And man, I had no idea. I probably could have Googled,
but you know, the Internet was still new ish in O1 and so I
just go to local indie shows andas the guys were on the way to
the ring, I'd ask them if they train people.

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And that's how, you know, that'show I ended up hooking up with
trainers. Me and Mike Woods buzzed up and
Lee Conundry. It was mainly Mikey and Buzz.
That's who I spoke to. Anyway.
Lee had the ring at his house. So, you know, Lee became a
trainer by default because he was there and he would, you
know, he would throw his, his two cents in.

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I trained from February O 5 until, well, I don't want to say
until July O 5 because I trainedafter that as well.
But I had my first match July 23rd, 2005.
I was a fill in. Lee had somebody who wasn't
going to be able to make it to his his show.
So I was a fill in in the main event.
Strangely enough, I was I was a member of the of a heel group

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called the Black Stallions. Nice, nice.
In which I was the only Caucasian fellow.
It was me, D'Angelo and the psycho medic.
Yeah. And and we were taking on Lee
Condrey GQ and White trash and the match was a tornado tag

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falls count anywhere hardcore match.
So I got color my first match. Was slammed on thumbtacks my
first match and took a finish through light tubes my first
match. Oh.
My. Golly.
Man, I did not become a death match guy because of that.
Right, right. Yeah, man, man, So, yeah, great,

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great intro there as and, and soyou, you could have stayed that
path, obviously you could have stayed that hardcore local,
worry about your next $10, you know, pay off, you know, and you
could have stayed that style. And but you knew probably, I
would assume that you knew you did not want to stay that style,

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right? Well, a yes, BI wasn't getting
paid for that. Well, fair enough.
Yeah, I didn't get paid for that.
Heck, I after the match I went and took a shower and then was
getting hurried up to come and take down the ring.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
And it was picking light tubes out of my back for three days.

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My. God, but not so I stayed there
for about 6 months not and it went on hardcore stuff, but they
were a hardcore kind of kind of yeah, kind of like so every,
every they'd have what they called the chaos match and as
everybody on the roster, all thereferees out there, and it was
just fighting in the entire building and his elimination

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last person standing gets a trophy type thing.
They do that once a month, but they had always had some kind of
gaming matches. I know I did my first chain
match there. I did those chaos matches.
I did a whole lot of craziness. But the the normal matches
weren't always like that. In fact, I remember one time
because I was trying to go totally opposite as a wrestling

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guy named Slade, and we had thisidea of doing like a pure
wrestling rules match, which that crowd did not give a crap
about. Right, right.
They're like. Do a punch.
But we can't. That's not in the rules.
That's stupid. They've they've got rules to

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this stuff, yeah. You know, we're trying to do the
whole, you know, Adam, an ounce of a rope break.
We only got three of them and all that stuff.
And there is just too much. It's too much for that crowd.
Yeah. So I was there for probably
about six months and then buzzedup, was going to Columbia to
start working there for Shane Morton and he brought me with

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him and that's where I really started learning stuff, started
making, when I say making money,not netting any money, but like
getting an envelope with some dollars and at the end of the
night. Yeah, Yeah.
That's good. That's good.
And thank the world of both of those guys.
And man, I keep saying it, but we got to get buzzed up on.
Yeah. So, you know, I, I we're going

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to kind of veer off the path of the normal questions and we're
going to, you know, because we have had you on before.
I want to kind of ask some different questions because I I
tried to think of some questionsand I told Jared, let's think of
some questions we've never heardhim answer.
And also, you know, just interesting stuff we can talk to
about these topics with a wrestler.

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So I, I want to start and this is kind of almost, you know,
this could be any part of your career.
But the question I was, what's one thing or a couple things
that you've learned from someonelike Tracy Smothers or Bobby
Eaton or, or somebody that was asuper respected vet that you
always make sure to pass on to someone that is listening to
you? What, what would you say is one

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thing that you've learned? So from Tracy specifically,
because Tracy had so many like his lessons, a lot of his
lessons were in like little catch phrases, right?
And sometimes they're just stuffsaid to be funny.
But you know, he like another thing, he the one thing he'd
always say, like he'd be going to a town and you'd he'd pass
some big house or whatever, He'dgo to see those people.

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They don't care that we go to town tonight, tonight.
Right, right. They they don't care that we're
three hours away from Evansvilleand running late and hopefully
we'll get paid, but they're probably not going to draw.
They don't care that brother gota bump, you know?
You know, what was it? He goes.
They're just trying to care if they want cheese crackers or
peanut butter crackers in the lunch tomorrow, that's all.
They care about exactly. So that like that's one thing

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about Tracy that is like in in real life, I don't care what
we're doing. You know what I mean?
Like at the the normal people don't understand or care what
we're doing. So if they have an opinion on
it, what you know what, why do we take any credence in what
they have to say? Which is funny, because Tracy is
also the same guy who, if you called wrestling fake, you'd
pull your eye out. You know what I mean?

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Right, right. Exactly.
It's funny that he gave that advice, but I don't know man.
Tracy was always big on the whole.
And I know there's it in video, but you know, you do this.
Hold up two fists, I'll do this.Hold up two hands.
That's all we need. We can work to wear 100 if we
work with that. Yeah.
If not, wrestling is not that hard overall.

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And, you know, so the wrestlers are the ones who over complicate
it. And and you know, to me, Tracy,
it's just a shame. You know, we lost him and, and
for no other reason other than the fact that we lost a great
human being. But I'm sure that that hit you
pretty hard, right, losing him. Extremely.
I, I, I got the call pretty early actually.

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I think I remember, I think Buzzsmartened me up when he died.
And like, I had to call Chase, you know, you know what type
they, they were. So, yeah, having me having to be
the one to tell Chase and like, I just tell a lot of people.
And it was, it was a morning of making phone calls that I did
not want to want to make. It still hits me, man.

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I'll, I'll go, I'll find myself going down a, a rabbit hole to
some of these videos on YouTube and, you know, laughing, crying,
laughing, crying, going back andforth.
Yeah, yeah, man, yeah. There there's a match that I
think it was in WCW, he was working and I shared the video.
It's been a while back now, but man, he was just, his

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storytelling ability was on par with some of the very best ever,
you know what I mean? He could just he could just tell
a great story and he was just soincredibly talented.
But the funny part is, is nobodyreally got to see his super
funny part unless you watched his ECW stuff, which was very
humorous and stuff. But you never truly got to see

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the the funniest parts of of Tracy you.
One of my favorite things I've ever seen Tracy do is the Bobby
Eaton and his match in IWA Mid South where they get the riot
going and Bobby would just dip on him.
Tracy's been having the time fighting, fighting the fans.
Exactly. And Bobby, you'll be like,

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where's Bobby at? And Bobby's in the back.
Oh man. That actually that actually
brings up a story and it's kind of skipping ahead, but we we
were in Carrier Mills, IL Burt Prentice would run like they
they do a a festival up there every year and that's micropod
of the Colorado kids hometown, which is funny.

(24:40):
He Colorado kid from Illinois, but so that's his hometown.
So they do like the big festivaland have wrestling on the square
every year. So I'll go up one year.
I believe this is O 9 and we're in some some tag.
I forgot how the match was, but I believe it was A tag.
But it's me, Sean Schultz and Tony Ocasio, and it's Steve O

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and whoever he tagged with or whatever.
Yeah. These people believe it's real
and there's no barricades or anything cuz it's in the middle
of a you know, there's a carnival right next door and all
this stuff, right? Yes, I've worked.
There, they're surrounded. OK.
You've done the carrier mills? Yeah, I definitely have.
Yeah, it's crazy. So yeah, you know exactly what
I'm talking about. And we did you guys dress in the
coffee shop? Yes, we definitely did.

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Yeah. OK, so this will all make sense
to you. So match is over.
When we look around, there's no Sean and these people are rapid.
So we're like going through the crowd trying to find Sean, like
fighting off people, covering upwhatever we can't find.
We finally give up. We slide into the that coffee
shop. He's sitting there talking to
Bert Prentice. Like where were you?

(25:47):
We've been out there for 5 minutes trying to find you.
He goes, dude, I ran straight into the back.
Soon as the match is over, yeah,I'm like, we've just fought the
entire town. Oh, man, that's, that was, I'm
so glad you brought that up because I'd forgotten the name
of the town that we worked in the center of this place with

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this big carnival going on or whatever, the fair, whatever.
And yeah, I I'd forgotten the name of that town.
So I'm so glad you brought that up.
But I know it was a long weekendand and Bert was bringing a lot
of the Porter guys up to work now.
Bert Bert would run Metropolis every now and then because he
kicked, He got a a company that was running there prior Chaos

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Pro Wrestling kicked out of their place in Metropolis.
They would run the Baymont Inn up there.
Biggest rhythm about Metropolis though, is you're driving in to
see the statue. There's a grocery store called
like Big John or Big Jim or something like that, and that
statue is bigger than the Superman statue, and it's on the
way to see it. I'm like, what a rib?

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Yeah, that's that's yeah, you'reright.
Oh my gosh. OK, well, let's let's go into
the next Jared. Go ahead.
Ask your question all. Right.
So you've talked about, you know, you some of your hardcore
starts there with not really your thing and some of the crazy
matches that were involved, but like talk about some of the
craziest guys that you've ever worked with or worked around in

(27:13):
the business. Oh, God, there, there's a guy he
doesn't wrestle anymore. And it's it's unfortunate
because he was really good. His name was Lone Star.
So Lone Star, as you tell by thename, native of Texas.
He played Center for the Kentucky Wildcats.
Big guy had a tank that wouldn'tquit, though.
Like you couldn't blow him up. And he could, he could go and

(27:36):
he'd take huge bumps. He could.
He would do whatever. And he was he, he was up there.
I didn't have a whole lot of crazy matches with him just
because he was on top of the cards.
I was starting out, I was real young.
I did wrestle him a few times. I do remember we were he, he
would always have matches breakdown into a brawl because
he thought that was really exciting.

(27:57):
And I kind of took that from himtoo.
Like, you know, you start out wrestling, but it should devolve
into a fight. I remember we were fighting in
Lewisburg, TN and we got into the brawl and we're brawling a
little bit on the outside. But it's mostly, you know, I'm
mostly just listening to him andselling for him because he's,
I'm five 10220. He's a, you know, former UK

(28:18):
center. He's huge.
And I just remember he goes backdrop me.
I'm like, we're on the floor. There's 12 people in the crowd
and he just comes running at me.So I'm like, Ah, CRA haven't
bend over and I backdrop him andlike, I don't know, he just he
he never here could be 12 peoplein the crowd.
He's not taking a night off. He's going to try to give him
everything, which I I see both sides of that, right?

(28:39):
Like, I see, you know, you don'twant to cheat him, but you can
also save your body if it's not a big crowd.
But now star was star was nuts. I wrestled Gypsy Joe numerous
times. I think age took a lot of his
physical ability crazy out. But this is also the same guy.
He was convinced. He took a liking to me, and he

(28:59):
was convinced that I knew how todo.
The old knuckles split the eyebrow open.
Because. Joe because Joe didn't like to
use blade and I was like Joe, I've never done it.
And he goes oh, he walks me through it.
I'm like OK, cool, I'll give it a try and I'm just I'm punching
his head is calcified. He's he's gotten colored so many
times his head's just nothing but scar tissue and I'm punching
and nothing and nothing and nothing and you'll probably have

(29:21):
to bleep this. But he looks at me.
I go, Joe, I can't. My nose was hurt and he's like,
oh, your pussy mother, I'm in a barbed wire and like I go and
like hold barbed wire of his head.
He just takes it and jams it in his head and Rakes it across and
he looks at me and goes you pussy.

(29:41):
So he was in, he was in he was crazy.
Star was star was crazy in a different way than Joe.
Joe, you know, Joe was doing this at 70 and he's wrestling
me. So that's that's he.
That's probably crazier than anybody else I could name.
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. You weren't there the night of
the New Jack match, were you? I, I was not, I don't, I don't

(30:02):
know if I was in the business yet.
I can't remember what year that.Happened.
OK, that might have been Yeah, yeah, might have been too soon.
I know I wasn't in yet and I know, you know, I think that was
at Freddy's auction house or something it.
Was yeah, no, I definitely wrestled in that building and
know just about everybody who was on the card that night.
But I I was not there for sure. And I can't remember like so I

(30:22):
can't remember what year that happened.
Yeah, I can't. Either it's it all blurs, it all
blurs together. I think it's yeah, yeah.
I love when you look online though, they talk about like how
New Jack beat the crap out of Joe and I'm like, I see that a
little differently. I saw Joe take a baseball bat to
the head and get right back up. Exactly.
Yeah, there wasn't no crap getting peed out of him.

(30:44):
Yeah. I mean, we've often heard of if
Joe was 20 years younger, new Jack probably wouldn't have.
Been a different story, yeah. It would have definitely been a
different story. I'm not saying the fight
wouldn't broke out because New Jack can't scared nobody, but
yeah, I don't know if it would have been what it was.
Right. It would have been much more
even and, you know, because whenhe wrapped his hair up, that was

(31:08):
the problem. And then, man, it was.
Yeah. But then what was it that Mike
Porter breaks it up and says it is.
It was something in football. What is that?
Unnecessary roughness or something?
Oh yeah, the Matt This match wasstopped for unnecessary
roughness. Or something like that.
The hardcore match was stopped. That's Mike Porter, y'all.
If you've never known Mike, that's exactly Porter right

(31:30):
there. So yeah.
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(32:22):
Thursday, wherever you listen topodcasts.
Well, you know, that kind of leads me into us working
together in Nashville. And I know we've talked about
this before and and I don't wantto beat a dead horse, let's just
say that. But you know, working together,
man, was a lot of fun for me. I definitely appreciated the
time we had together. I was in a weird spot in my
life. We've talked about this a

(32:44):
million times. But you know, to to be able to
work with you and Drew. And I remember the first time I
worked with you, I think was at a benefit.
And I remember Jeff Daniels was there and I think I managed you
and Dyron or you and Jablonski or somebody like that.
And that was the first time I think I took a road trip with
you, if I'm not mistaken. And, and we met and I just

(33:05):
remember, man, it was always cool after that.
I, I just, it was like, you know, this, this, I, I see a
kinship in this guy. And you know, it's so funny
because I, you were a veteran tome and you're younger than me,
you know what I'm saying? And so at that time, I was a
newcomer still paying my dues. And I remember, you know, you're
kind of becoming a well oiled machine at that time as far as,

(33:28):
you know, the things you were doing.
And I remember learning things from you guys, the young guys.
And because I related most to you because of my time in the
business, you know what I'm saying?
And so it was, it was a lot of fun, man.
And I will say this, managing you and Drew and the
Untouchables, if I had it to do over again, brother, it would
have been a totally different story now, man.

(33:50):
But hey, we don't have that timeto take back, do we?
No, no, there's definitely no nothing to take back.
I I wish that run would have went longer.
I really do. Just with, with, you know, Drew
had, you know which I mean, he's, you know, got kids now and
stuff like that. And that's why, you know why he
left anyway, because he had a kid on the way.
But man, that run was so good. I think if we could have, I

(34:13):
think we could have kept it up. We could have done something
just because we were really welloiled as A tag team.
Oh, y'all are incredible and I'll go back and watch the
matches now. The even I think a couple weeks
ago I watched a match with you guys in it and I just, I was
like, man, I, it's, it's tough for me to watch, even though I
enjoy it, it's tough for me to watch because I don't feel like

(34:34):
I was at my best. And, and so I, I see what I
could have been managing and it was, you know, it was just, it
was just a bad time for me. And, and you know, like I've
said before, I, I was coming outfrom under the Omar gimmick.
I didn't know how to be just Jimmy St. and I, I, you know,
when you hide behind a gimmick, you can do that.

(34:55):
And, and actually, some people I'm sure have done it and gone
on to very successful things, hiding behind a gimmick, not
being able to show their true self and letting out that
character. And when that character was
taken off of me and I'm again, I've said it a million times, I
was happy about it. I did not understand what it
took to be me. And I remember there was 1 promo

(35:15):
and I felt so incredibly bad about it.
We're standing there on the wallat Saul and Drew started, You
took it over. And then I was just, I was to
say something to wrap it up and I screwed it up like 6 or 7
times and y'all were doing it soawesome.
And, and you like turned around,you were like all right man,
let's say this, we got this, we got this.

(35:37):
And I was like boom. And I got it.
And I, I just remember feeling so bad because y'all were like,
you know, y'all were at your notsay prime.
But what I'm saying is y'all knew the whole story and you
knew what you were telling. And I was just like, Boo, Boo.
Oh, wait, yeah, sorry, my bad. Let's do that over.
And I don't know if you rememberthat time, but there's actually
a video of it on Saul on the Saul Channel and Nashville

(36:01):
Wrestling Network. By the way, go, go subscribe.
But I just remember so embarrassed because I was just
thinking, man, I'm screwing thisup so bad.
But the shoe was fun, man. Getting to use the JJ gimmick,
you know I. Was sitting there thinking the
one of my favorite finishes we ever did was I'm taking the the
Terry Funk teeter totter. And you're hanging there so long

(36:23):
too. I felt so bad.
Yeah, slide me the shoe. He pulls me back up.
I clock him in the head with it.I still love that.
It wasn't, we didn't do it the smoothest we could have done,
but it's still got the point across because with the
Washington Bullets, I remember those matches are fun.
Oh dude, what you all against them?
Could I mean you? They can put that on AEW right
now and it would be an incredible match.

(36:45):
I'm telling you, y'all work so well with them and it's got to
be partially them, right? They were great so.
Yeah, yeah, no, they were. It was weird too, cuz they were
like really big spot guys and meand me and Drew.
You would think we were, but we called all that stuff in the
ring, right? So like, it was a weird mix.
Yeah. But it always worked out well.

(37:05):
I wish too we would have stuck together just cuz like we had
that long feud with with Nick and Carrie.
Yeah. But they were young, you know
what I mean? I would love to redo it again
with like season Nick and Carrie.
Yeah. Do you talk to Drew still much?
He will hit me up every, every now and then it went for a
while, a couple years. He kept going, man, I'm getting

(37:27):
the itch and I'm like, I can getus some matches booked.
And then like I wouldn't hear from him again.
And he did that, did that twice I think.
And then after the third time hehe said it and I'm like, cool,
because me and Kerry would immediately start being like,
who can we get this match with? Yeah.
Who will book this match so we can do it again?
And then when it just stopped happening, we're like, all

(37:48):
right, he's getting the itch. But life's not going to let him
pay it off, so it's not going tohappen.
Right, right. Well, we miss you, Drew.
Hopefully everything's yeah, man.
And hopefully the family's doinggood.
And, and, you know, in the regard he won, man.
He got the family, you know, you've won too.
You got a beautiful wife and anda nice home you're building
there and putting together such a nice life for yourself.

(38:11):
But you know, Drew won, man. A lot of guys would say, looking
back, you know, I, we had Gene Liggin on just recently and he
said, you know, if I would have stayed at my job teaching, I
would have a pension now and, and be retired, you know, and,
but I stayed in wrestling and, and now I'm still working, you
know, so there's a part of that that you got to say Drew

(38:32):
actually got out and won. Even though he gets the itch,
he's still, you know, he got what he wanted, you know, and
that's good. Can't believe.
It and I'm sure he's getting around a lot better than I am
most days so. Yeah, but man, every time I'm
in, no disrespect to FTRI, do think they're one of the great
tag teams going right now. Absolutely no question.
That's that's unanimous, I'm sure.

(38:53):
But every time I watch them wrestle, I'm like, man, I could
just see the untouchables doing that right now, man.
And, you know, maybe that's grandiose, maybe that's crazy
for me to say, but I, I see, I see that you guys were kind of
doing that Arne and Tully thing and you know, now they've kind
of tried to turn it. You, you all were the perfect

(39:13):
blend of the midnight Express and, and the brain Busters
essentially, or ARN and Tully ifyou want to say it.
But they're kind of taking that over now.
But y'all had that, you know? So I mean that that was Midnight
Express Heart Foundation, totally.
And ARN, that was where we got everything.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, that was that was our
Mount Rushmore. I think there might have been a
little Bulldogs in there, but I don't know how much we actually

(39:34):
get of theirs, Right, you know? But that's who that's the people
we watched. Dude, that is the Mount
Rushmore, man, You know? Yeah, other than Rock'n'roll
somewhere in there, that's the Mount Rushmore.
Yeah, well, there's some rock'n'roll when we were
babyface whoever, right? That that, that was our deal.
Whoever took the heat had to do the roll into the hot tag.
God, I love that. Yeah, it's so good.
We did that one night before Rock'n'roll, like the match

(39:57):
before. Then they came to the back and
Rick goes, man, you're stealing all my stuff.
Oh. Man oh man, I remember managing
Norte in a match. You're now new neighbor man
Chris Norte. I remember managing Norte in a
match with with Ricky Morton. And I remember I had already
managed Jermaine or Seven and I'd already managed Dyron,

(40:20):
right. And so usually in the Omar Al
Kazan Corporation at that point,if I'd gone out twice, which is
actually more than I think should even happen nowadays, you
know, Dyron would go out and represent the the corporation
with Norte. Well, when I found out that
Norte was wrestling Ricky Morton, I know that I've I stood
in front of the entire locker room and said I am managing

(40:42):
Chris Norte tonight. That is happening.
I don't care who I've been out there with because he's
wrestling Ricky Morton. And I'm sure a couple guys are
like, man, that's about the markiest thing I've ever heard
in my life. And I said, I don't care.
I am managing. I don't know that I'll ever get
this opportunity again and I didn't.
So I'm glad I did it. But going out there with Norte,
and I remember the last thing Ricky said to us as we walked

(41:05):
out, he said, hey, hey, Bubba, just don't hurt me.
And Norte, you got to know, I know you know Norte, but
everybody else, Norte was not going to hurt anybody.
That is not that he's a very safe worker.
He was not going to hurt anybody.
But just to know. And I could just imagine Ricky
saying that a million times to different guys, you know, And

(41:26):
man, a lot of fun. A young Carrie Morton running
around me having to keep an eye on him as as as Ricky's in the
match. And the coolest thing Ricky ever
said to me, And this is not my show, so I'm sorry, I'm stealing
everything. But he said when you came out
there, I wish we'd have give youmore, man.
I wish we'd have done more with you.
And it's like, brother, you didn't even have to.

(41:46):
You saying that means as much asme as us doing it, you know, so
that was. Important.
So funny. I don't know how long it was
before Chris wrestled Ricky, butI'd had my first match with
Ricky because I remember callingChris and like, Oh my God, like,
blah, blah. I'm like describing the match to
him. And I remember Chris calling me
after your match with him, like the next day or something.

(42:07):
Or maybe a couple days later. Yeah.
And he he told me verbatim that Ricky did the exact same opening
he did with me. That's awesome.
I'm like, yeah man, that's his go to apparently, and which I
have, and I think Chris is also also, well, he didn't wrestle
much anymore, but I think we both liberally stole it.

(42:27):
Yeah, yeah, that. Hey, that's awesome.
So what's up, Chris? Good to good to see you're back
in the state and go ahead, Chic.All right, so Bucky, if you had
a, if you had a time machine, I'm a big on these what if
situations if you had a time machine.
And you could. Go back to any point in in
wrestling and and wrestle somebody like who would that be?

(42:49):
And and like give me kind of a little setup of like why it
would be them? Hackenschmidt in in attis.
So because I so I can grab that headlock and just I don't know,
man, I think I think I would have liked the early 80s
Memphis, like not not not 8889, anything like that.

(43:11):
I'm talking like 8283. Yeah, yeah.
Who would I work? I'm trying.
I'm trying to think of my timelines to make sure I'm about
right, you know, and, and because I had never had the
match with Lawler, I want to sayLawler.
But honestly, I feel like I would have had a a better match
with Dutch around that time because that's also that's also

(43:34):
the time that Dutch was rivalingLawler in a lot of towns as the
biggest babyface. Yeah.
Yeah, he's one of the few ones who put it who put a dent in
that. You know, Lawler's the top
babyface and and they just had such a different style.
I think I would have had more fun wrestling Dutch, Dutch,
Cabral. Dutch could wrestle, you know,
I'm not saying Lawler's A1 trick, but like you're not going

(43:57):
in there and and wrestling with Lawler started out.
You can do some, but you know Dutch would take you down, ride
you, exchange holds. You know, he was, he was a
better wrestler per SE than Lawler and I.
I don't know man, Dutch's promoswere so good.
Yeah. Lawler was great, but I don't
know if Dutch Lawler was always trying to get the quick one

(44:18):
liner in. Right.
Right, because that sound cool and Dutch just said what he
said. Yeah, Dutch.
And Dutch still says what he says.
You got to love him for it, man.He's, he's one of the most real
dudes in the business and he doesn't care, you know, he, he's
at that point now where he's like, you know what, I'll say
what I feel because that's how it should be, you know, and.

(44:40):
I will say I don't think every idea Dutch has ever had is a
good idea because one one time Iwas running around with him some
and he thought he said we need to put a gimmick on you.
I think you should be the great,great grandson of a Western
gunslinger. And he was serious.
Cap guns, cowboy hat. And I'm like, I don't think I

(45:02):
could do that. James Storm is doing that.
Maybe, but. As soon as you said the cap
guns, that's what I thought was like indie James Storm and I'm
like. Yeah, who would it have been,
Earp or Billy the Kid or somebody like that?
He wanted me to keep the name. OK, OK.
To say that good in my family and wanted me to go real Western

(45:24):
gimmick and I'm just like, I don't know if that's me, man.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, he put the Brody gimmick
on Josephus, right? Am I right about that or did he?
That no, that he did, yeah, he saw, he saw him.
And this is after Joe would start and get started getting
kind of big, and it's growing his beard and hair out.
And yeah, I mean, I've never seen anyone look closer.

(45:45):
Oh, no, no, he, he nailed that one for sure.
You know, I met Joe and we've told this a million times too,
but I met Joe at the Spring Water Supper Club one night and
he was still doing the Shelby St.
Brawler look because he was still, well, that wasn't a look.
That was his look, you know whatI mean?
Because he was still, he's starting to do camera for
wrestling at that time. I remember meeting him and he

(46:06):
was like, man, you ought to comeout and stuff.
And I'm like, well, I will. And we did.
And man, you know, witnessing matches and I can't remember if
you were on that show or not, but I remember Wolfie was, I
remember Kid Cash was on the show and we we would see, you
know, that was a great little spot, the stadium in, man, you
got to love the fox so. Stadium in it was, it was

(46:27):
something. Yeah, yeah, definitely something
for sure. It's so weird that like a crack
hotel in the middle of downtown Nashville had.
Yeah, had. So not that that's not a Jared.
Machine I don't I don't I'm justI'm just it's just so funny this
to imagine a wrestling show, right?
But for everything I heard, I know that's true.

(46:48):
But. There was a sign on the front
desk that said no prostitute or prostitutes and drug dealers.
Take your business elsewhere. Yeah, yeah.
And they thought it meant there they were like, OK, just around
the corner. Stairs.
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(47:31):
Yeah. So this one's going to kind of
lead into a question. But I, I my wife told me to ask
this question because she, she likes this question.
I think it's a good question too.
So I appreciate her input. But she said what?
What is the most famous person in your cell phone?
I think he's God. I don't know.
I just exchanged numbers of Bobby Blaze this past weekend.

(47:53):
I know that's random, but. Yeah, yeah.
Might need to snag that from you.
I've got Dave Milliken in my number in my phone.
That's a yeah. But we'll randomly randomly
chat, especially if I have a belt question.
I'm like there's nobody else I'drather.
No, you can't. I ask him questions as much as I
can. Yeah, he's the one.

(48:16):
EC3 that's that's up there pretty good.
Dude, I think that one, yeah. Just, I mean, I've got Ricky in
here. Right.
So I guess it it kind of dependson, you know.
What do you mean by? What you like in Wrestle Jerry
Lynn? Yeah, yeah, Jerry's great.
AC-3, as long as you've got him talking more than WWE, let him

(48:37):
talk on the main roster. Right.
Jeez, right. What a messed up deal that is
man. They blew a chance with him.
I can't believe they let you know Moxley, Ambrose, whatever.
Basically bury him when Moxley was leaving.
I mean, it doesn't make sense. No.
And I don't, I don't think they had.
I don't think they knew what they had.
If we're being, they called us in here.

(49:01):
Yeah. Simon Diamond, I mean.
So I guess it kind of probably AC 3.
Former. World champion.
So yeah, we can go there. But dude, Nick Aldis is on TV.
Not even cable. He's on network television every
Friday. Dexter.
So yeah, Dexter, man, Dude, a great story.

(49:22):
That I had to remember his WB name.
Do you remember the night I got hard weighed by by Sam, I mean
Dexter? Yeah, when it was, was it the
leg drop? Yes, it was the that well, the
was it the Alabama jam? Is that what he did or was it
just to get? The big top rope cannonball leg
drop, Yeah. Yeah, dude, I remember, I think
it was it either you or Crimson hit me with the Macho Man elbow

(49:44):
first and then Sam came off and caught me in the and I just, I
move. I turned my head up at the wrong
time and he busted my lip wide open.
He felt so bad about it and I thought it was hilarious.
First of all, that was like my last night for Porter.
So when I had all that blood, I just spit it all in the ring.
I was like, there you go. But.
It was Oliver last night's. It was, I'm pretty sure.

(50:06):
Yeah, yeah. That's when I was I was helping
book. Right and.
Because. It was Bro help me book.
Was it I? I think it was me and Sam
working against Jeff and Kremmy.OK.
Yeah, you're right, I think. So you would have been managing
probably Jeff and you've been managing Jeff and Kremmy.

(50:27):
Right I. Assume because that's so.
Then it was you that hit me withthe elbow or you had something
off the top rope. If I came off the top it would
have been an elbow because I I'dgiven up the leg drop a long
time ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man.
But Sam had a beautiful leg dropman.
He is, if you want to say underused.
That guy is one of the most under used, underrated guys out

(50:52):
there as far as talent. He's just that that gimmick is
so cool. I love that creepy.
You know, is he is he good guy? Is he bad guy?
Is he is he what is he here for?You know, I I think that gimmick
is so and it could go so many different ways and and he's Uber
talented and plus he's a great artist too.
I mean Jerry Lawler, quality artist.

(51:15):
You know what I mean? Comic book limit.
I've got a picture hanging up inmy office that we're sitting on
OVW just BS ING and he sketched out while we were talking.
I remember that. Hand it to me.
So it's sitting up in the office, but yeah, dude, he's,
he's so talented in a lot of different ways.
And that's how, if I remember the story right, I believe he

(51:37):
told me early on when he was working in Indies because he
trained at Team 3DS from Florida.
Yeah, that he was working his part time job, was working at
Universal as one of those like sketch people.
That makes sense. Yeah.
And that's that's what he'd do to, as Tracy would say, does a
shoot job to support his wrestling habit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But.
But he's doing real good now. He just opened a wrestling

(51:59):
school. That's Florida.
It's him. Tom Latimer moved down there and
he's one of his coaches, John Davis.
Man, that's called the. Hatchet Pro wrestling school.
OK, so that's you open up a couple questions for me there.
1, is he not with the Fed anymore?
OK, I thought so. I was hoping that was the case.

(52:19):
And then Tom Latimer is another guy that I cannot believe
they've missed the boat on him. Man, I'm glad for the success
he's having in the NWAI. Think he gives the NWAA
legitimate guy that not only looks and acts the part but is a
real deal. Dude I just feel like he's they
missed the ball on him too. Man, I can't believe that, but.

(52:41):
Well, and some of that, and Tom's talked on it in
interviews. He had a lot of demons.
Sure, he had to. He had to be and.
So did and so did the owner of that company, but we'll get on
that. Fair, fair, fair enough.
And Tom's demons are nothing like that, right?
But yeah, but now Tom is one of the most talented guys I've

(53:05):
ever. And like, we've never, we've
never wrestled each other. We were both training at the
tried and true school when that when that was open, he's doing
the advanced class. I was doing the beginners.
And like one day we just went and changed, wrestled for like
10 minutes and I'm like, I forget that you're from Britain
and you can do all this. Yeah, yeah.
You know what I mean? He goes, yeah, He goes, hey, I
always book me in this crazy stuff.

(53:26):
So that's what I do. He goes, but I can, yeah, I can
do this stuff. Yeah.
You know, he was so good. Dude, he reminds me of like a
Paul Orndorff, Ronnie Garvin kind of style a little bit.
Just a tough guy that can chain wrestle and can put a hurting on
you if he needs to, you know, and he just has that vibe about
him. I don't know if you get that and

(53:46):
it's OK if you don't. But you know, Tom, to me I just
feel like is, is this somebody they've missed the boat on?
So Speaking of all that, you know, obviously you know them
and you know them because you work for N.W.A.
OK, let me ask you that. How did you get to the N.W.A?
And I know we are skipping around and that's OK because
this is the shit we're doing. But how getting to the N.W.A

(54:08):
tell that story? So a little back story on that.
In 2019, I had hurt my neck. I don't even know how I did it,
but I, I had hurt my neck. So I took from like took three
months off, I think, and you know, went under like a lot of
chiropractic care and spinal decompression and stuff like
that. So I come back in February, I

(54:30):
have a match. OK, cool.
I, my, my wind was bad, but other than that I did all right.
I have a couple more matches andthen the world shuts down.
Yeah. And, you know, so here I am
coming off, I don't want to say a serious injury.
It's not like I broke my neck, but I I can press some discs,
you know what I mean? And I'm, I'm just getting or not
married yet, but I'm, you know, going into getting married.

(54:53):
And it's just like, maybe, maybewrestling's done because I
didn't think wrestling was goingto come back from the shutdown.
Yeah. You know, it's kind of a sport
that requires an audience. It does you.
Can play football in front of nopeople.
It's really hard to wrestle in front of no people.
Right. So I was, I was kind of like, I
don't want to say I'd come to terms of being done, but I'd
come to terms as much as I wouldallow myself of being done.

(55:17):
But I'd still go down Carrie offwhat was running school in
Tullahoma. And like that's when I said
started losing the weight and stuff.
And I was doing that for health reasons, not even for wrestling.
And I'd go down with Carrie justas a fun way to do cardio
because I still hate to run. And I was working out one day
and I got a phone call from the New Jersey area code.
And I know absolutely nobody from New Jersey.

(55:38):
So I ignored it. But then I got a text from that
same area code. And it's like, hi, this is Pat
Kenny. I want to talk to you about
working with the N.W.A. So I immediately rolled out of
the ring and, you know, made a phone call.
And it turns out, so Pat replaced Dave Lagana, head of
talent relations when the N.W.A came back after the after the

(56:00):
pandemic and in back in 2012 or 13, I believe it had to be 1212,
maybe even the end of 11. I I've done a gut check for TNA
and it's one of the live event ones where it's basically just
like, you know, paid tryout typething.
And Pat was the the guy who was over that gut check.

(56:22):
So he had remembered me from, from all the way back then,
which blew my mind. But yeah, so I, you know, I went
down there and as soon as I saw Patty shook my hand and I, I
want to introduce him and reintroduce myself because I
don't think anybody's going to know me.
But I was like, hey, that, you know, I don't know if you
remember, but he goes, oh, no, Iremember.
That's why I called you, becauseI asked Crimson if he still had

(56:45):
your number. And I called you right then.
He he goes, I liked you then, but I didn't have any power to
give you an opportunity. Maybe I can now.
And that was April 2021, I think.
Maybe maybe February. It was.
It was early in 2021. Yeah.
Whenever they came back. Yeah, Yeah, that makes sense.
So when you got there, did they kind of say, hey, look, this is

(57:06):
what we need from you, this is what we're expecting?
Or was it just like, hey, here'sa match and you know, if you get
another one, it'll be here, thatkind of thing.
What what, what was that initiallike your first match in the
N.W.A and all that? How did that go?
So actually the match that had aired out of order that they
were taped, but the first match I I had was actually against one

(57:30):
of the kids that helped train Mims and I all we were told is
5050 babyface up and that's it. And we, you know, we gave him a
match. It was, you know, it was all
right, Mims Mims has come come along way now, but he's still
pretty green then because he started taking bookings, I think

(57:50):
2019. So he so he didn't get a lot of
reps and then, you know, coming into this, but you know, we, we
got through it and I was just, Idon't know, I think I've always
just kind of been a oh, how did Steve Austin put a mechanic?
This guy can go in there and have a good match with people.
And that was, that's kind of been where I've been as far as

(58:11):
with the NW as I'm just kind of a.
Carpenter. Yeah, kind of a Carpenter guy
and which is our like I said, itkeeps you employed.
But that's really been all any direction I've ever been given.
Got a little to do a little bit of stuff with the old begotten,
you know, even before just was down to A tag team and me and
Alex. It was like the land of misfit

(58:32):
toys, guys who didn't fit in anywhere else, right.
And it, you know, becoming A tagwith me and Alex.
And then when they split us up, it was, you know, just kind of
back to being a mechanic. Yeah, yeah, you and Danny and
and deals. You got to.
You got to put him over, man. He's up.
He's actually, they may have. He may have suggested me because
he's working backstage that time, but I I know Pat

(58:55):
remembered me. But like Deals is the reason a
lot of the people are there. Got you, You know.
What I mean, because if if they're in an area, you know, if
they're basically if they're in the South and that's not Florida
and they need some people, they ask him, yeah, that he's going
to get them reliable people who go and get the job done and
impress. He's helped out more people than

(59:18):
a lot a lot of people recognize,like, I don't think a lot of
people understand what Danny deals, not only what he does
backstage and now on commentary,he's he jokingly calls himself
pro wrestling's five tool player.
Yeah, like, it's it's legit. He manages.
He can work production. He works merchandise.
He has good promos, you know, he's a good stick man, So yeah.

(59:39):
He can bump, Yeah, he's he's getting a little.
When we had that he yells above bedlam match or whatever it was
at the chase and he had to take that big choke slam from Judais.
Yeah, I don't. I think he's like these bumps
might be limited, but other thanthat, he he can do everything.

(59:59):
He's he's a trained wrestler. A lot of guys don't know that
because he's always managed. Right, right.
Right. He's a trained wrestler.
He doesn't do it a lot, but. Yeah, he.
He did when Alex hurt his shoulder though.
All the OB got in tag matches wehad ended up becoming Alex being
the manager and and Deals makingall doing the wrestling.
That's who I I finally got my match with Rock'n'roll Express
and it was me and Danny Deals. You got hey, bro, however you

(01:00:22):
get it, right? Yeah, man, yeah, that's cool
man. You know, and he's he's, I
always think he's one of those guys that's it's very
intelligent about keeping himself important to a company,
you know what I mean? And he did it with TNA forever,
you know what I mean? And and a lot of people may not
know that. I mean, anybody that works in
our area knew that. But when it comes down to it, I

(01:00:43):
mean, he he he's not joking about that five tool deal.
You know, he's very talented guy.
I always knew that if he was around and he was going to be on
a show, very rarely did we ever work a show together.
But when he was around, I was like, man, I got to get my game
up because this guy. And that's a good thing for
anyone to have someone who makesyou want to work harder, right?

(01:01:05):
I mean. Yeah, and that's how he's made
himself invaluable is he's an extremely hard worker, you know
what I mean? Like he's a lot of guys in
wrestling are going to do the bare minimum, but he always goes
above and beyond. He helps everybody out.
And man, one of the best people on the road.
We just did a, a shot in Huntington, WV this past

(01:01:27):
Saturday. So, you know, that's about what,
what stops and everything like 6hours, man, we, we were able to
do a turn and burn because hey, because we had, you know, we
had, we stacked 4 people in the car.
But like deals just came up to hang out and sell merch and
Kevin Martin came up to hang outand sell merch.
But deals is so funny and just tells such good stories.

(01:01:49):
But that 6 hour drive felt like it took no time.
Yeah, yeah, you. Know what I mean?
So like we got done with the show and we had a hotel like,
you know, they're like we got wegot a room if you if you need
it. And we're like, we can turn and
burn. And we did, you know, it was
great. We're all home Sunday morning.
Got up a little late, I'm sure, but we're all home by 44 AM

(01:02:12):
Sunday morning and we're fine. We're laughing there.
There was one point where everybody in the car was like,
gasp, laughing. You know what I mean?
Like your face hurts, you're alltrying to get your wind, and
you're all just laughing so hard.
Yeah, your cheeks are burning and your side splitting, you
know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Please stop talking so I can breathe for a second.

(01:02:32):
Don't. Don't say anything else, y'all.
Let's get some. I'm like, I'm trying to drive,
you know, just. I do remember you being a great
wheel man though, Punky, You always got you there safe.
So that's, that's important, right?
That's another important part ofyou, you know.
I I love being in control on theroad, you know what I mean?
I just. That makes sense, yeah.
Like I I took an hour and a halfoff this last drive and the

(01:02:55):
whole time like I couldn't go tosleep.
Right, right. You know, I mean, I'm like, God,
it's three, it's 2:00 AM. Can someone else take over?
Sure. And I'm in the back just wide
awake now and. I'm like, right, might as well
take a drink of coffee and Red Bull.
Yeah, that's funny. But yeah, good.
Good for you and good for him. And I always enjoy seeing y'all
as A tag team together and, and,and you and and Alex and him and

(01:03:18):
I. It's a shame y'all aren't doing
it on the bigger stage because Ido think that is an incredible
tag team. But maybe, maybe sometime people
will get their head on straight and figure out that.
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