Perry Saturn!

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This is Perry Saturn, and you'relistening to Live and in Color
with Wolfie D. Hey, this is Jimmy St. host of
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nothing will be held back. Thanks again for tuning in.
Here he is, Wolfie D. Welcome, welcome, welcome once
again to live and in color. What Wolfie did, my man Jimmy
across the street. Jimmy, we got a big show today.
Man, I know, right? I mean, who could it be?
Who could it? Be I found my homie dude, you
know what I've been telling you this I've been wanting to find

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Perry for so long. Man that got heard what was
going on with him like damn, I needed to holler at him and few
people were dead ends and Dick heads be quite honest.
I think a couple of them wasn't wasn't shooting me straight, but
whatever man, my boy Cahigas came through man and he one that
made it happen. So, man, I'm, I'm excited to
talk to Perry, man. Yeah, actually talked to him a

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few times already. But I'm absolutely ecstatic to
get him on here and, and let thepeople hear him.
I know he's coming out of, of this stuff that, you know, he's
kind of been hiding really. I mean, yeah, in a sense.
So, you know, I'm just excited about it, man.
Me too man, what he's been through though I don't blame
him. I would probably be hiding too

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man, just staying out of people's business and laying low
and trying to get my life back together.
Which happily and thankfully, itsounds like he has done that.
So. Yeah, for sure, man.
For sure going on Jimmy. Well, I saw Perrys been making
the rounds at a EW and all that stuff, so you know, I'm sure you
know he'll be getting out more, but yeah, not much man.

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Just, you know, like I said, under the under the podcast
thumb all the time. But you know, things are going
good. You know, I think we got some
cool shows coming up hopefully. And I know we just had Larry's
Abisko, Man, the living legend. Bro, that was awesome.
That was man, great conversation.
And like I said, I'm glad he wascool enough to throw us a bone

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on that, you know? Oh, dude, yeah, he's super cool.
And just how? And I don't know, man, he just
seems like a kind of guy you just want to sit down and talk
to, you know? Yeah, yeah, it'd be cool to hang
out with. Yeah, absolutely.
But yeah, other than that, not much, man.
How's things going your way? How's the book going?
Yeah, man, we're coming along. I've actually got a date.

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June the 8th is release date. I have that date.
So we're going to try to get it all finished up by then and have
it going. I'm looking forward to it.
We're going to do virtual signings at first.
We'll do pre-orders on that. Like they'll mail them to me and
I'll sign them on on, you know, the live feed or whatever and
then get them mailed out to the folks.

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So stay tuned y'all. Stay tuned.
Coming soon, right? Yep.
All right. Real.
Soon it's creeping up. It's hell.
It ain't too far away. I know, I know, but probably not
as soon as we've got Perry Saturn though, right?
Yeah, that should be here in just a couple few minutes.
As long as they as long as this commercial break takes and we'll

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All right guys, we're back and man, I got a friend from the way
back. We're talking about old school
friend from back in the early days of PG13's USWA career.
I'm talking about my dude Perry motherfucking Saturn.
What's going on? Hey man, how are you?
I'm. Doing all right.
Man, this is pretty cool. Man, this is pretty cool.

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I haven't talked to you in such a long time.
I know dude, I've been and I've been looking for you, man.
I was hearing stuff here and there that you was, you know,
doing this and doing that, but nobody can find you.
Then I seen you start popping upon stuff.
I was like, damn it, somebody give him my fucking number.
Yeah, I kind of just just, I like being by myself, you know,
doing my own thing. I'm not in like not in the

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spotlight or anything. I look pretty simple right now.
Yeah, yeah, man. I'm getting old.
I'm getting old. I feel you, I feel you.
What are you? How do you now?
8. OK, I just turned 51.
But my body's about my body's about 98 though all the drugs

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and bumps I get over the all thedrugs and bumps I get over the
years. I guarantee it man that some of
the shit you did in ECW was likegood Lord y'all was doing crazy
shit. And that seems normal to me, but
man, it catches up eventually, Yeah.
You know, like. You have got, you had to have

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been happy though, like once yougot out of there and you're
you're working for Vince and you're working for WCW and all
that where you didn't have to doall that really.
WCW was the most miserable time of my life.
Wow. Yeah, really.
WCWWCWWCW was so unorganized in such a two class society that

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all the boys hated being there, hated it became a necessary
evil. So I can make money to do drugs.
That's all it was. I got you.
I was high. I was high from the time I got
up to, I passed that ECW was ECWwas the best time because I, I

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was like, like part of the office.
So I say I got, you know what I mean?
That was a really good time and Paulie was great at making you
feel appreciated and proud. If you can have pride in what
you do, you know, man, that makes it so much better.
Right. For sure.
That makes all that shit easy too, if you're proud of what

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you're what you're doing, you know?
Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point, man.
And and, you know, I enjoyed my time up there.
You know, people would like, what was it like in ECW, man?
Did you do this? I was like the whole time I was
there, I didn't even get hit with a chair.
We just went out there and. Yeah, that got that got fucked
up because, because we were supposed to go together and then

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I'd move my knee out, you know, the first fucking house show I
think you guys were on and I'd move my knee out because we were
supposed. Because that's why you guys were
brought in and worked with us, you know, because Paul, we,
Paul, we brought in. And if then somebody was
available, he paid them to come in and put us over.
We worked there long enough to work.
There was nobody to work with. And finally, you know, I kept

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telling, telling them about you guys.
You don't insist. And and he finally agreed.
OK, let's bring them in and then, you know, fuck the 1st
house. Shall I blow my knee out?
But you didn't blow your knee out in that match though, did
you? Yeah, yeah.
And So what was that three team match?
Yes, me and John, against you and Jamie and against the
Dudley's. Was it OK?

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I was thinking it was just. Somewhere.
I was thinking the first time wecame in it was just US against
you guys and that was it. And because I took the y'all
finished the the kick gimmick. Maybe it, yeah, but.
I don't remember, maybe maybe wehave another.
If somebody's listening out there and has this match on
tape, me and Perry need to see it to refresh.

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Our memories, maybe we had a match or two before, but we
didn't even really get started. You know this was the beginning
of the program. I remember they, they billed us
as the only team that the Eliminators have not beaten
because in Memphis when we came back and, and did the little
angle with you, I don't, I don'tthink y'all, y'all ever we ever

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put y'all over, we took the beltand then that was it, man.
And I remember there was nights,man, where I was going to the
ring and I remember one night I'd come up to you, man.
Hey, Perry, everything cool, man.
I knew y'all wasn't making much money and you look mad.
And I was like, God damn, I don't want to go out there with
a mad Perry Saturn. Memphis was the most.

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That's the most important part of my career though, man.
That's why I learned how to work.
Right you. Know what I mean?
You can't. That's the most valuable.
We worked every day, remember? Six days a week.
Yeah, yeah, man. And walk and talk.
Get it all out there, you know? Yeah, that's why I learned to

(08:55):
work. I just what do you call it?
And we were all in it together. But that's the gimmick there,
you know, the baby faces make more money because you guys sell
the gimmicks and shit. Right, right, right.
And I first y'all and I tell everybody this man, you guys
because see before you guys, we we were in Mexico and we'd come

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back before that. We were just kind of like a mid
undercard, ha ha, heel team. And then when we came back,
that's when we got our push and you guys were the first ones to
to give us that shove man, because the the people
legitimately knew that you and Cronus were beating the shit out
of everybody. And then here comes me and Jamie
and we beat you and they're like, oh fuck.

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So y'all really gave us the first bit of our shove man.
Yeah, we got over man that you remember we were there for a
couple months now and the main event on every show was Lawler
Constrained Machine and the semimain event was Brian against
Doug Gilbert. Waller went up the vent full

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time and Brian and Doug Gilbert went main event and we went to
semi main and now all the houseswent up everywhere.
So we drew. Yeah, for sure, man.
I mean you, you legit were beating the hell out of us.
I know that for sure. You may not want to admit that,
but I remember that one night I fucking bled like a pig because

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you were you was hitting me withthe hubcap like almost like
straight in the face. I was like God damn.
But it worked. It worked.
I loved it. In ECW anytime I had a weapon in
my hand you would hear the baby faces going.
Somebody get that the fuck out of Perry's hand now.
And then you know what it was like.

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I'm. Stiff.
You know I'm stiff. I'm sorry.
I'm not going to bitch about youhitting me either though.
Right, right. And you know what?
Though, you know what I mean. When, when you and I got back
together, working again was in TNA and of course, I wasn't
Wolfie D anymore. I was doing slash.
I was bigger. And it's like you, you were even

(10:59):
better. I mean, both of us were better
obviously because of the amount of time that had passed.
But I enjoyed working with you in TNA too.
They was all right, except for by then my drug use was so out
of hand that I've that whole time and my wife, it's a big
blur. You know, for for years I just
barely was getting by on the drugs and then eventually, you

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know, you fucking, you lose. You just can't keep up with
them. Make it ahead of you.
You know, that's when we were doing the, what do you call it,
new vein all the time and shit. And since I've wore trunks, I
was, I couldn't have tracks on me.
So I used to do the injections under my tongue so nobody could
see the track Marks and shit. Yeah, So see.

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So when, if you don't mind me asking, I would have never
guessed you would have been a person that would have failed to
that. I just when people told me that
I was like, no, not Perry. Are you fucking serious?
And you just, I don't know, man.The way you carried yourself
and, and everything in Memphis is what I was going off of
because, you know, and I didn't know you was on anything in TNA,

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to be honest with you. But yeah, man, what, what
happened? What do you think?
What, what caused it? Because I, I mean, back then in
Memphis, you weren't doing shit,was you?
Yeah, I was doing pain pills every day.
Oh, OK, I didn't know that. But but you know, the boys, we
can handle pain pills. I, if I would have stayed with
pain pills, I think I'd have been all right.
But eventually you get, you know, like I said in ECWI

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started doing new vein and, and that's the injection.
You know when you can do that intramuscularly or
intervenously, either way. And of course anything
intervenously works better. And then eventually it's so
fucking easy to convince yourself that you are right,
right when you're not, you know?And then as we got it, you get

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over and more like I had, I had 6 doctors right me like 6
different prescriptions each every month.
Really. And one of my I used to get 10
CCS of Demerol a month from a doctor.
That's a drug they use for surgeries.
Oh, I know, I know. So I think like we and I'm just

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the doctors once they start catering to you and then in like
I said in WCW, we were miserable.
Yeah. It's so ridiculous to you reach
the point that you want to be work your whole life to get to
and then you just end up being so unhappy.
You know what I mean? And we worked a lot WCW, we

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worked like 40-50 days straight,you know.
And so, so I get the monthly, I get the booking schedule for the
month. I'd be on the road the entire
month, have no idea when I'm going home because I have to
wait till the next month, but get the booking scheduled to see
when I have a day off, you know,And so, so now you're making

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money. You got all this keep going on
and time on your hand. You know we're going to spend
time in the in bullshit towns doing nothing and being
self-destructive. We had a Deadpool in WCW and me
and Raven were number one and two on everybody's list and it's
a miracle that him and I are sober and live.

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We're sober and alive. I don't know how that happened
man. Man, you know, and, and I hate,
I've never got to, we never traveled together or anything
like that. So no, it's like personal stuff,
you know, it's like, I know these people, but I don't really
know these people, you know whatI'm saying?
And I wish that we would have gotten a little bit closer like
that. But I want to go back and talk

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about like, you were an Army Ranger, correct?
Yep. So what got you going in that
direction and and then and then wrestling.
Why not wrestling first? Or how did that go?
I was what it called. They used to have this deal.
I grew up there. I had a really shitty childhood,
grew up in real violent home andshit, and I was a violent kid.

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But 14, I got locked up until I was 18 and a detention home.
And when I was 17, back then, the Army used to have this deal
where I could get out of detention home at 17 and join
the Army. So that's how I ended up in the
Army, just to get out of jail, you know.

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Did you ever get deployed? No, I'm so no, no, I'm one of
the luckiest people during peace, man.
All I did was play games. You know, you do all bullshit
there. But really that's what it is.
You know, like they have this mile system.
It's a laser system that they you put on your rifles and shit
and it's a way like Razer Tag. That's what I did.

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And you know, and then train, train for the shit.
I was there during peace, thank God.
You know, I've never been in no war and I have no interest of
being in one. I've never been at them where I
was. You know, I've just even, I
wanted to be a wrestler ever since I was a little kid.
But you know, were you a fan as a kid?

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Yeah, loved it, man. I'm used to watch it.
But it's so unrealistic, you know, for the average person to
do, you have to really bust yourass and get really lucky to make
it in wrestling, Yeah. For sure.
You know what? I.
Mean as a kid, who is your idolsin wrestling?

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Like I'm telling you, like when I was older, like teenage years,
guys like ARN Anderson, you know, which was, I spent many
hours just talking ARN and I became friends, which was so
fucking cool, you know? Yeah, I thought you were the
enforcer of the flock. It made sense.
You were like the AA of the flock.
So that makes total sense. Not that you were ripping him

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off. I'm just saying I.
Can no, no, no. Even even during the last Four
Horsemen, that was I Ben Moore then brought me in the Dude, the
Arnie Anderson Connect. You know, because the last group
was me, Ben, Law, Dean and Flair.
It was short lived, but still, that was the last 4 horsemen,

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you know? And yeah, yeah.
And that was fucking awesome. And Iron would talk like Iron is
one of the best guys I've ever met, you know, and just so cool.
But what, like being a stupid mark?
I remember watching a Saturday Night's Main event and Brain
Busters beat the Demolition I think on it for the tag title.

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So I was so happy as a mark watching that thinking, wow,
this is fucking awesome. You know what I mean?
He was gonna whoop your ass. He was gonna whoop your ass.
You know, man, when you were saying that about, you know, you
looked up to ARN and stuff, I was, I was thinking, man, I, I
actually stole a couple of movesfrom you.

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When I became slash, I started using that you, you always did
that really high jump stomp. You jump up in there real high
and stomp him in the head. I, I started doing that and then
the other move that I like that you would do was you would drop
a knee across the the neck and then and keep it there and pull
them by the hair and start choking them.
So those two things I stole fromyou, by the way.
Well, I'm sure I stole it from somebody else, right?

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Right, Right. Different creativity is
forgetting who you stole it from.
Yeah. Right.
Like, because almost nothing's original mine and John's finish
was original. Yeah, yeah.
And I never see anybody do it, you know, Which blows my mind
because that fucker looked good when it's done right.

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That finish looked great, man. Oh yeah.
Perfect. Yeah, it did.
And it was in there. Oh yeah, that's why I tell
people it was, you know. Yeah, no, it was.
It was great, man. It looked good.
Felt good. You.
Know John was a big crazy fucker.
He would probably kick somebody's head off with that
fucker, you know? Dude he was so fucking athletic

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to be as big as he was. I never forget the first time
I've seen him do that back handspring over the top rope
deal. I was like, what?
The hell. He was such an athlete, man.
Like just he could run and run up a wall and do a back flip
after he ran up the wall, you know, shit like that.
You know? John was nuts, man.

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I just asked Michael John, I go,how the fuck can you do that?
He goes, I don't know, I just think I can do it and I can do
it. That's just his background.
He took martial arts and he was a gymnast.
He took gymnastics when he. Gotcha.
That makes sense. Makes sense?
And he, you know, he said he could do the, what is it, the

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4:50 or whatever it is, and 1 1/2 over there, he could do all
that shit no problem, you know, and he's just because he thought
he could do it. He could do it.
Right. You know.
That was that rocked me too whenwhen I heard that he passed
away. Were you with him?
No, no, that, that. See, that's our team ended

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because we were both severe drugaddicts and you can't cofunction
as we're fist fighting each other every day.
Seriously. No, we just in Philly or
Pittsburgh because like $7000 damage to a hotel room, a
Marriott that we had to pay for shit, broke the TV, all dumb

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shit and getting in fights in the locker room.
And then, you know, some of the boys, they try to break you up.
We'd end up fighting them and then fight each other again, you
know, but it was, we couldn't call just anymore and it just
sucked. And I, you know, I led the team
and I always took care of us. If John eventually decided that
that wasn't going to work for him and it just wasn't, it just,

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and that sucked. That's my only really real
regret I had was that I never found a way to patch it up with
them, you know? Really, I didn't know all that.
I didn't know all that. That's the.
Fuck we. I told Paul Lee, you know, that
I go. I would have never left DCW, but
I left because I wasn't going toteam with John anymore and

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Paulie wasn't going to break. He refused to break us up, but
in his he spent a lot of money getting me and John over.
So I don't blame him for not wanting to break us up.
But that was it. I was done.
You know, we, him and I, we werefucking.
It was bad. What was the heat about?
I mean just y'all just couldn't agree on shit like in the ring

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or what? I always, I always took care of
John. Always.
You know, Johnson was a little fucked up.
You know, he left sick and stuff.
He could, you know, we always made the same money.
I never fucked him over on moneyor anything, always, because
that's the right way to do it, man.
And everywhere I've worked, I had the opportunity to make more

(21:54):
money than he did, and I never did.
You know, John wouldn't be, it wouldn't make a talent if it
wasn't for me. And what he called, he got a
girlfriend. He ended up falling in love with
this rat. And she started telling,
convincing him that she knew more about the business than me.
And I was fucking them over. And he had a shitty attitude,

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you know, just from being a drugaddict and would, you know,
would go do whatever he wanted and fuck up the spots.
And, you know, I'm not going to fucking put up with that.
I was such a perfectionist. It would fucking drive me
insane. And if he's fucking up the spots
and making us look bad, then that means I look like I'm

(22:40):
unreliable. And that wasn't, you know, if
you, if you need me there for a spot, I was there and I can't,
you know, and until I can tell and we just would fight and
then, you know, he had, he used to always say, fuck you.
You're not my father. You don't tell me what to do.
And I don't know why that used to make me so fucking mad.

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I can see it. He reminded me.
I always anybody that's asked meabout him, he reminded me like
of a a big puppy. You know what I mean?
The the puppy that is so big that it that it falls over, you
know, not that he was clumsy, but just you know what I mean?
All happy and just goofy. Type, Yeah.

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And like in football, I'm big NFL Mark, you know, and that's
Rob Gronkowski. Rob Gronkowski, that's John
Cronus. Everybody loved John.
John was always happy and go lucky and just always in a good

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mood. Never.
Nothing bad to say. And then every now and then,
man, we worked in the ECW arena our first time.
We worked new John against that Boone Van Damme.
I have no idea what the fuck happened.
I'm watching them guys and John goes fucking berserk in the
ring. Really.
I fucking I roll in the ring, I grab Van Damme and I go out and

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I push him out of the ring and Isnatch Shaboo and I go down and
get him the rear chin lock and Itell God get the fuck out and he
rolls out of the ring and I go calm the fuck down and Shaboo
goes fucking tell him and I go. I'm telling all of you.
We get in the back and I go, John, what are we doing?

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And he goes fuck them, we're killing them.
And I go, OK John. And we walked to the back of the
arena. If John wants to fight him, I
got to fight him then, right? I have no choice.
I got to you know. And I go, John, you sure you
want to do this? We like these guys John.
And he goes, fuck them, we're killing them.
Paul. We go no, Perry, don't do this,
don't do this and said boom, VanDamme they're not afraid of us.

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So they can they D line right tous to find out what the fuck is
going on. And they they get right up on us
and Chad goes, what the fuck arewe doing?
And John goes, oh, I'm sorry guys, you guys scared me out
here. And he hugged them and walked
away. Oh my.
God, he just had a. Man, they did, they did.

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They did something to him. He didn't know what they were
doing and he panicked. Oh my God.
Man, and until we get there, we were fighting them.
I had no choice. I would have to fight them.
And John didn't want to fight anybody ever, you know?
And he just snapped. Man, let me ask you your opinion
on this man. And and like, I was cool with

(25:35):
New Jack. I had no problem with New Jack.
I had good matches with New Jackand TNA and we got along.
What like some of the throwing Grimes off the fucking scaffold
and stabbing that kid and some of the shit he's done?
Like in your opinion, do you think he went too far?
Yeah, New Jack and I had a very,very hard time adjusting to each

(25:55):
other. A very hard time because I'm not
putting up with anybody's shit. I'm not saying that I'm going to
whoop your ass, but I'm saying you're going to have to whoop my
ass. You know what I mean?
So and what he called me and stop me and Mustafa got along
great. New Jack and John loved each
other. They used to hang out all the

(26:16):
time and shit. New Jack and I had a very
difficult time adjusting becausehe would take liberties with
people and I wouldn't put up with that.
Right. Yeah, I just, that motherfucker
stabbed me before it had went a fork and I almost beat him to
death. He shoots at you with it.
Yeah, I had no idea what the fuck he was doing.
I turned right in and I almost beat him to death out there.

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Yeah, I just don't understand why he he went so far with shit,
you know? I mean, he could have
legitimately killed a couple of people.
He had that, what he called gangster mentality or whatever,
and that was, you know, he livedhis gimmick.
I guess. I don't know.
True. And he was over so much that I
his his attitude and shit affected him not going anywhere.

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Yeah, for sure, for sure. You know what I mean?
Because nobody, none of them guys, you know, like some of
them talk, you know, them top, top guys that they don't want to
take a fucking hip toss. They're not going to let you do
the shit New Jack does, No. Doubt, you know.
What I mean and the way like I ended up getting along with new

(27:25):
Jack, we adjusted but it wasn't easy at 1st and I thought it was
going to be a problem, yeah. And I tell you what is so funny
to me too though, is you talk about him and John getting
along. I thought it was hilarious that
him and Jamie got along so well.Yeah, same.
There you go. Same kind of deal, right?

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Just I don't know, him and John were together all the time and
John ended up moving to Philly where New Jack lived and not not
to be around New Jack, that justhappened to live in the same
town and they were going out allweek and shit together too.
So they got along good. And so whenever we had the
masters, you know, Stopper coulddo a bunch of different shit.
He could do a spot you could call a spot when in out there no

(28:08):
problem. So I would always pair off with
stop and and go off and do our shit and they would go off and
do theirs as much as I could, you know, because, you know,
ECW, the tag team mattress, there's always two people on the
floor doing bullshit and two people in the ring doing
bullshit. And you end up switching back to
I was staying the ring to stop as much as I could, you know,

(28:30):
let them go fuck around, do all their shit, you know, and New
Jack would work hard and all that shit, but he was reckless.
Yeah, very, very much so. Let's take a quick timeout and
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Harry. I am going to roll across the
ring and hot tag Jimmy St. up inthis bitch.

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Thank you for the hot tag with Perry Saturn.
So Perry, man, I always, I was abig fan of yours, especially
starting out there with the ECW stuff.
But when you came to WCW, I'm a Southern boy.
We watch WCW, you know, when it was great, it was great.
When it was Jim Crockett, it wasincredible.
But then kind of got a little soft when Hogan came in.
But The Flock shows up. And so at the same time, I'm

(30:04):
going to Rock Band. We think we're kind of cool.
Well, that's what The Flock reminded me of.
You guys were like this rock is kind of like a band, but a band
that could kick your ass. Now tell me, I guess one of the
things is, is where would you have cut the Flock off?
So I mean, you have the initial Raven, you, you know, and, and a

(30:25):
few others, Billy Kidman and, and, and if you had Scotty
Riggs, those guys, where would you have cut it off Perry?
Where would you have stopped adding people?
I wanted we needed a girl. And this is going to sound so
ridiculous. And maybe it was because of my
drug use at the time because me and me and Raven were so, you
know, WCW had this pay-per-view called the Lisa lottery.

(30:48):
I don't know if you guys remember it.
And me and Raven come, me and Raven come up with this gimmick
ourself. We would take like Vicodin
Ecstasy, Halcyon, put all these different pills in the bottle,
shake up the bottle, and both ofus just swallow a bunch of pills
and wait and see what kind of high we got.
And we would do that. Do you know they stopped having

(31:12):
us at ringside sitting because we would get so fucked up out
there that they could have us bythe marks that made us sit, stay
in the back. That's how we got out of the
ringside shit and because me andRaven were like best friends
together all the time and just severe drug addicts and I think
that neither one of us drank at all and maybe that's why we

(31:35):
never owed eat because we didn'tdrink.
Yeah, yeah. But back to your question, I
don't know, I don't like most ofthe block was Raven, you know,
that's his all his idea, you know, and a couple of a couple
of the guys he didn't want in itjust because he didn't know them
or what? Because we got a couple power
plant guys like sick boy who wasnothing wrong with sick boy.

(32:00):
He was very green and Raymond didn't want him in there.
But like Loki, Raymond brought Moki in and I was I didn't want
Moki in there. I didn't think he did at first.
But he Moki is a great guy and worked his ass off up there and
got over, you know. So I like to fuck him because
there was so many different shit.
Kidman and I were such such goodfriends and Billy was young,

(32:25):
just old enough to drink and, you know, just learn, just
experience in life. And he got stuck on the road
with me and Wave and we just fucking abused him.
I had him out drink here doing drugs all night and just fucking
changed his whole life for a fewyears, you know?
And, and, and that was an opioidgimmick, right?

(32:45):
That was an opioid gimmick. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ecstasy. Ecstasy was big too.
And we're, we used to buy like, you know, 5000 tabs of ecstasy
and go through that in a month. Wow, we just.

(33:07):
Didn't get everybody around us. Drugs are going on all night,
you know. Man.
That's why who is the I don't think you you started saying
something about a chick that youwas going to put in at.
By anyone I want, I know. I just thought we needed one,
you know, and, and I, I wanted to get in as a Midget.

(33:30):
I don't know why I wanted to puta Midget in the plot too and I
just never got one. You.
Know like the Lodi gimmick couldhave went to a Midget carrying
the signs and shit. But see, Scotty Raven, he, you
know, like he, he paid Modi was at the power plant, you know,

(33:55):
learning the work and stuff. And Scotty would go down there
and he paid Modi to be his assistant.
So because Scotty didn't, you know, he, he, he would have him
go do this, go pick up this, go do that, you know, So that's
how, and they ended up becoming very friendly, you know, and,
and then end up working out to where Lodi got, he brought him
in on the job. And I'm, I've heard Lodi many

(34:17):
times to say how grateful he wasand stuff, you know, so Scotty
helped him out, but it started out with him working for Scotty
and Modi. And Modi's a great guy, never
fucked up anything, you know, without did whatever he wanted
him to do. And you know, you can see guys
when you start working with themand they're green and you can
watch as they start to figure itout and start to, you know, get

(34:40):
get it's pretty good when somebody like a Kidman was
awesome in the ring. And there's a big difference
from his first day in the flock till the end.
Raven got all of us together in Atlanta and tried to explain
what he wanted to do with the flock.
And that's when I met Sick Boy and Kidman and all this, you
know, because Kidman was Billy Kidman.

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Billy Spandex we used to call him because he just, you know,
wasn't. And he made them all.
I didn't do it because I'm stubborn, but he made all them
guys watch the movie Trainspotting and he goes.
That's our he goes, that's our gimmick and made them all watch
it. You know the big Kidman that
we're Kidman make Kidman itch all the time, which is a thing

(35:24):
you do want to handle when you know an opioid and and have them
all watch that. I even think one of the
characters names in Trainspotting, the sick boy.
Yeah, I think so. So and that's just Raven that
and I never seen the movie because Raven and I had this
gimmick. He'd tell me to do something and

(35:46):
I, we refuse to do it and never do it.
I tell him to do something by some, like it took us.
We lived in the land together and each owned our house were
like 3 or 4 years before the other one seen it.
We'd never go over to the other one's house.
No, he's only got to come over to see my house and go.
Yeah, I got to come over to see mine.

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We just never go there before whatever, you know?
He's definitely a character to the Scotty behind the scenes.
His problem was, you know, he's a shoot genius.
His IQ is so fucking high. And when you're that smart,
you're fucked up in the head. You're not.

(36:28):
I'll probably swear on. I don't know how much you you
can bear on your stuff. I'm sorry about that.
I got a bad Yeah. So it's really hard for me not
to. I swear like this around my.
It took him a few years to figure out that he can't ever
talk like I talk, you know? Yeah, I feel you.

(36:49):
So, but you know, so Scotty's just so smart that and it's a
they're fucked up in the head, man.
You know, they they're neurotic and most of the fuck was Ravens
idea, you know, and I was just happy to be he was he was going
to West, he was going to WCW andI wanted to leave.
ECI didn't want to take with John anymore and Paul, he wasn't

(37:11):
going to let me. And Scotty told me he goes, you
know, he goes, hang on, he goes,if you want, I'll bring you in
the WCW. My gimmicks.
He goes, you just have to talk to Terry Taylor.
I'll have Paige talk to him and I go, yeah, let's do that.
You know, and me and Scotty werefriendly, but we weren't friends
friends in ECW, you know, like we didn't hang out.
We're in a different clique there, but we're good, you know,

(37:34):
friendly every and so but and Scotty figured if he got into a
fight in WCW, it would be good to have me on his side.
So that's why he brought me in. But his ass.
But I'm not going to back down from anybody either.

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And that's all you need, right? Like most of the boys don't want
to fight each other so so you know what I mean?
So that's all you feel And I'm not putting up with anybody.
Shit, I don't give a fuck. You beat me up or not, I've been
beat up before. That ain't going to hurt, you
know? So them Scotty, not just, we
worked WCW's, you know, every like 40-50 days straight without

(38:18):
a day off and we're on the road together, traveling and shit and
you just get close with people, you know.
Right. Yeah, right.
Yeah, man. So this is a bit old news, but I
haven't heard the entire story and definitely not heard it from
you, man. What was up with the whole they
said you saved the girl from getting raped, you got shot and
all that? Give me the lowdown man if you

(38:39):
don't mind. It was just a fucked up I I was
in I was getting drugs in the place I shouldn't have been
getting drugs and just stumbled up on some shit that I shouldn't
have stumbled up on and had no, I got involved and before it all
happened, before it was over with, you know, changing the the
whole projectory of my life forever, you know, because I

(39:02):
almost died and was took me fuckover a year.
I got shot in the neck and the shoulder took me over a year to
get old like to get over it and like just it was.
And if I had to do it all over again, I'd like if I had to do
it all over again, I'd like to think that I would just ignored
and don't go about my way. But I just I don't think I

(39:23):
could. I'd have to still do.
You know you can't just let somebody get fucked up for no
reason, right? Right.
And that's. What?
Unfortunate. I sent you a message the other
day. I said that's why you're a good
man, because and I haven't told Jimmy this Jimmy, I was trying
to get Perry an action figure deal.
And he's like, Nope, Nope. I've already given my word to
this guy and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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I'm just not doing it. So, you know, I said, damn,
Barry, you're a good dude, man. He said, yeah, man.
I gave the guy my word and that's all I got.
So that's big volumes for you, dude.
Definitely. Yeah.
To to have done what you did forthat girl and just it's
something as little as you know,doing that for that guy, not not
the breaking your word. Man, man, I'm poor as fuck.

(40:06):
I I made a lot of money in wrestling, but I blew it fucking
all on drugs and fucking baths, living in bullshit.
I I'm, I'm fucking just just getby.
But I'm the happiest I've ever been.
I'm very happy every day. I have no problem facing myself,
you know, I know who I am. I sure I got a lot of rough

(40:27):
edges, you know, but I'm fuckingpretty happy with who I am.
And I just, that's, you know, when all your friends and all
the people March flipping out for you and shit, all that's
bullshit. In the end, it means nothing.
You know, most people like that are, I guarantee there's nothing
I would do now to where I'd evertake the chance to having my

(40:47):
grandson look at me and go, wow,my grandfather did that.
That's fucked up. You know what I mean?
So he he looked at me like I'm the greatest thing in the world.
So I'm going to do the best I can to live up to that.
That's awesome. Grandpa Saturn.
I had a grandpa Saturn. Papa, He calls me Papa and man,

(41:10):
is that such a that's the best thing I've ever done in my life
on nothing even close. Being a grandparent is the is
the fucking easiest, fucking most rewarding thing.
You know, I was 1/2 ass fucked up father, you know, busy going
working, didn't spend as much time with my kid as I could have
been shit, you know, but as a grandfather, I was fucking

(41:32):
awesome. You know, my grandson, he lived
with, he lived with me and my wife for most of his first ten
years, years or so, you know, and was with us all the time.
And we were very instrumental inhow he is himself.
And he's a good kid, man. He's a good kid.
And I know that I contributed. That guy, that guy with that big

(41:57):
long freaking Mohawk that was knocking my head off every night
would be such a big hearted goodpaw paw.
I I think, I think, well, you know what, man, I, you know,
well, I think inside I was just saying motherfucker back then
too. I just, we went to different

(42:17):
life and stuff, you know, and right, right.
Like people don't, I don't know,being one of the boys is a
different kind of thing. You know, we're not like we're a
special, we're a special group of people, right?
Right. We find a way to all coexist
together and there's so many different personalities and like

(42:38):
the business makes you harder over the years, makes you
cynical over the years because it's all, you know, the being
the business is like part of thecarnival.
Like, you know, even though it'sevolved from that, it's still
what it is, you know, So it's all that big word to you develop
all these things. I don't care.
Does any of the boys who are theguys who would you would

(43:00):
consider? The wimpier boys are far tougher
than most guys will ever be because of the business.
The business makes you tough. It just does.
Yeah, absolutely. I agree with that 100%.
So obviously, you know, I've talked about how I thought you
were similar to a AA enforcer. Obviously Wolfies talked about
how many times you knocked his head off and then of course, you

(43:23):
know you and you get it. You go, you go to the with the
radicals to WWE and you and all that.
Great storyline. It's so great to watch from
home. I love that.
But you're this bad ass dude that can kick the teeth in of
anybody who gets in front of him.
But how did they pitch Moppy to you, man?
Like how did that come up? And, and I would love to hear

(43:46):
that. That was the gimmick.
That was my punishment for beating up Mike Bell.
Oh, man. OK, that's right.
OK, Yeah. That's what that see like my
WWEI was I was barely functioning because of my drug

(44:07):
use was so bad. I was barely functioning and
better get caught up to me. They affected my in ring work.
I was very isolated because I didn't want anybody to know I
was this severe drug addict. So I kept to myself, especially
Dean went from being of one of the boys to being one of the
agents. And Dean and I traveled

(44:28):
together. So now I'm traveling by myself
and shit. And so I was very standoffish to
people and short tempered and shit still.
And just so the fact about me, Ithink that the the boys, there's
no fucking medium with me. They either love me or they hate

(44:49):
me And there's no in between men.
And some of the boys fucking hate me and I don't care for
them either. And I don't, you know what I
mean? And so, and what do you call it?
I got with Mike Bell, the spot guy.
I was wrong with the Mike Bell incident so I'm not trying to
justify it, but I landed on my head and and it fucked me and
then the ring. Before I realized I was beating

(45:11):
the shit out of them I was already whooping his ass like I
just was all on instinct. I remember you knocked out so
and I think it was because he fucked something up and I can't
remember the dudes name but it was a job guy in Memphis.
TV. Yeah, That fucking guy.
Yeah. Yep, I know exactly what you're
talking. I was hot as fuck.
And spit drooling out his mouth and shit.

(45:35):
And that's when I thought that'sthe one of the craziest fucking
Eddie Marlin. I went up to he because he was
in charge of the job guys, right, the enhancement guys.
And I told Eddie I go, what the fuck?
Eddie goes well, these guys are all just learning.
Why don't you spend this some Sunday morning down in Nashville
and help us out? So me and John went there to

(45:57):
just go to the school or whatever it was because we did
Saturday night math and Sunday off, you know, And I thought
when we get there, they didn't smarten them fucking guys up.
Yeah, how the fuck can you have guys go up there and do a work
and they didn't smarten them up?Yeah, I know, and man, I tell
people. That's how it was back.

(46:19):
Then the fucking job guys in Memphis were absolutely some of
the worst in the entire business.
I mean, it was really hard to work with some of those guys,
man. Yeah, and and but think about
that like that still to my to this day, I don't understand how
you can have a guy go out there and do a work, but you don't
smarten them up to it being a work.

(46:42):
I mean, they know it is, but they don't talk about like it's
a big secret there. You know, that's the unspoken
thing, you know. But how many guys today will be,
how many guys today could work like that?
You know, most of them couldn't.We were in separate rooms, never
seen each other before the match.

(47:03):
You know how many guys? Most guys couldn't do that
anymore. I missed that, being able to go
out there and. Me too, Me too.
Yeah, me too. And so far.
And that, that's how you know the guy from like a hard time,
that Dick. Walking and talking.
That's what we call it, walking and talking.

(47:25):
You know what I mean? And you don't hear anybody else
do. And we were really lucky.
Like that was the end of the territories too, right?
So we're lucky to get in there because that's where we learned
to work. That's where we learned to work.
Wallet. And wallet was good to us man.
Just I didn't mean to cut you off.
Just also just locking up with somebody and fucking cracking

(47:49):
jokes with each other. And no, you know, the OR
nothing. You're just fucking with each
other laughing and nobody knows any different.
That's that's when it was fun, you know?
Yeah, our first night we we, we started on Memphis TV, me and
John, Saturday morning. So the Friday night we got in
town and you, they had a show inJonesboro, I think real close to

(48:10):
Memphis. I'm pretty sure it was Jonesboro
just right over the bridge, right.
And so Waller tells us to go to the show if we can and check it
out if we get in early. So we got in and we went to the
show and we were in the heel locker room and Fred Morrell,
what a prick he was, huh? Like he would, he would DQ you

(48:33):
and shit for no like if he like he wouldn't work with he
wouldn't work with us at all, remember?
He's beating me. He's pinned me before when that
wasn't the finish. Before Jamie used to all the
time do the spot and Frank wouldyell at me about it every night.

(48:55):
Jamie you do something. John would come in, you'd get
Frank and Jamie had me throw himover the top rope and lay and
lay down. If I turn around Jamie be on the
floor and I'd be in the ring laying down and he used to bitch
every night. What the fuck you guys are
burying in me. I don't know what you already.
Jamie would do it every night just to fuck with them.

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man. I don't know if you remember
this. This was so funny man.
It was on TV. We worked you 2 on ATV match and
he was on me and I. I made the hot tag to Jamie.

(50:07):
Well, he was going to do the, you know, jump the top rope and
turn it into like a drop kick onyou, right?
It's like before you ever hit the ground, it's over the top
rope. You were charging him so hard
and so fast. You knocked him back over the
top rope through a back flip andhe hit the he hit his feet, he
slid back in. He never missed the beat.
He just started punching but youknocked him over.

(50:27):
Back yes, I do remember. And that happened to be because
we walked and talked. That's how we got huddled today.
That would fuck up their whole match.
One person would be on the floor, look it in the ring,
look, and they wouldn't know what the fuck to do.

(50:47):
Right. That's why they had it.
They had an angle with some three girls a couple weeks ago
on AW. The one had a chair in her hand.
They were right on top. It was horrible.
They were lost out there. They were just lost, man.
Because they don't, and it's nottheir fault.
They don't work enough to not belost.

(51:08):
Absolutely, Absolutely. My first night in Memphis, we,
we we get to the show, we're watching it and it's in
Jonesboro. And Frank Morrell comes up to us
and he goes, which one of you guys is Perry?
Like who I am? He'll say, hey, somebody didn't
show up tonight, give your gear.Of course I have my gear, right.
Well, if you don't ever go to a choke out your gear, like only I
got my gear. He goes, OK, we can you work

(51:30):
with Eddie Gilbert in the main event tonight?
I was like, oh, yeah, sure. And so the whole night I'm
waiting to talk to Eddie. I never met Eddie.
I don't know any fucking thing about him or anything.
You know, I'm like, what the fuck?
And finally, Frank Morrell come up to me at intermission.
He goes, hey, we're behind on time.
We're going to need you a littletime.
We're going to do a 45 minute Broadway with Eddie.

(51:51):
So fuck. OK, All right, I'm negated.
Gilbert in the ring. We locked up and he goes, hey,
I'm neggy before the match, before the match fact morale
goes off. Hey, Eddie told me to ask you
please just listen to him out there like OK, no problem.
And I brought them. Eddie walked me through the
match. It was so fucking easy and that

(52:11):
was the beginning of me learningthe work.
Right. That's awesome.
That's a, that's a good person to start with, you know?
And he took and you know when you were after with somebody who
can work, Time goes by so easy. Right, right.
No doubt. The guys couldn't do that
anymore. They just couldn't.
It's not the business is, it's not the same business that we

(52:34):
were in. It's different.
Oh no. Hell no.
You know, it's they go like in the end of my WWE career, we
were becoming what it is now. You know, where you had fucking
3 minutes to run through 1 long spot and that was your match.
It wasn't working anymore. And and I hated that.
You know, I'm like, we go, we can go out there and tell a

(52:57):
fucking story and we could get the people and sometimes we're
going to lose them, but we can get them back and stuff and
that's working. Right.
Yeah, that's a lost art. Speaking of so Perry, real
quick, you know, Speaking of that, you, you reminded me of a
very important part of your career and, and I need to hear
more stories about this guy. Anyway.
You know, I recently we had an interview where we talked about

(53:19):
how like Luth is and, and, and some of these names like, you
know, Bruno Sammartino and theseguys, they're almost like
founding fathers. You know, we, we know about
them, but we don't know enough about them.
And one of the guys that you're part of, you know, part of your
history is a huge part of the wrestling's history.
And Killer Kowalski. I would love to hear some killer
stories or one good killer story.

(53:41):
Walter was fucking awesome, man.What do you call Kowalski's?
A little was a little different.You know, like vegetarian, all
this holistic healing and shit like he magnets.
He believed in using magnets on your body for healing and shit.

(54:02):
And what do you call me and Paula Beck Hunter were there
together and Walter seen something in US, you know, So we
were lucky that we got a lot of one-on-one with Kowalski and
shit. But Walter was a crazy old man
man. So he would tell us stories.
He'd grab, he'd grab us by, you know, the old time we're going

(54:24):
to be with the hook on your arm and they don't let go of you.
They hold you there. And Walter would grab us and
talk to us and he'd tell us these long fucking stories and I
wouldn't know where the hell he's going with it or anything.
And then he'd go. That's why you can't trust the
boys and walk away. Stuff like that.
And half the time we'd have no idea what the fuck he was

(54:47):
talking to us about, bringing shit with us, you know?
And like he he, I was lucky to just spend a lot of time with me
one-on-one and stuff. And it took me a while to
convince him to let me go to theschool because he thought I was
too small to be a wrestler. Like he wanted me to be a

(55:10):
referee or some bullshit. And I didn't want to do that
actually. Actually, in the end I changed a
lot of the stuff he did, you know, like he all he had this
one, one of his boys, Mad Dog, which odd was a heavyweight
champion and all this shit, and he ended up joining the I did

(55:30):
enough to where he created a light heavyweight title for me
to have something on his shoulders, you know what I mean?
So I and he was awesome to me and you know how to work with
Walter, you know, and Walter half the shit they did was still
kind of a shoot. So stuff Walter showed you to do

(55:54):
you could do to somebody, whether if they wanted you to do
it or not. You know what?
I. Mean John trained there with
you. Yes, he did, but John would
trained a short time. John had one match when we went
to Memphis and that was it. Me and the Hunter were supposed
to go to Memphis together and wow.
And Hunter worked for Gold's Gymis a mantra at the Gold's Gym.

(56:17):
And he went to some big Gold's Gym convention and he met Flair
there and Flair offered him a job at WCW.
So that killed our tag king Vimmick, you know, which is
which. So now I'm going to go to
message. I'm figuring on my own.
And I, everybody kept telling meabout splitting the cost and now

(56:38):
that. And John worked for me at a bar.
I was a manager of a rock and roll bar up there in Boston.
And John was my one of my bouncers.
So I knew John and he was at theschool and shit, you know, so
we're getting 1. So him and I tagged together and
we met and went and met Waller somewhere in New York out of
Monday Raw. But you know, he was there and

(56:58):
we talked to him and what calledI lied to Lawler and told him
John, John been working for a few years and shit and she
didn't. So, you know, John was green as
fuck when we went there and Johnand I had a very unique team
because John, what John would doand it took me, took me a long

(57:21):
time to figure it out. But he'll always be looking and
seeing what I was doing and justdo whatever I was doing.
So we get shit in stereo and that ended up being cool and
shit. We were always doing shit in
stereo, you know, But it was unique for us, you know.
And but, yeah, that's what John learned to work, you know?
And like, he had one match before we went to Memphis and he

(57:44):
just trusted me and listened to me, you know?
So was am I wrong in thinking this that because I thought
y'all like before you came to Memphis I thought you 2 had went
to Japan together or something? I went to Japan.
John didn't go to Japan. Well, maybe that was just part
of the story to keep the keep itgoing and.
Me and my dependent my John and I went after John and I went

(58:05):
there for a few years after Memphis.
You know we worked there steady but but but before that I went I
worked for New Japan. John was wasn't even in the
business yet. Y'all got to.
No, I get it now. John.
John would. Have been Perry, Saturn and
Triple H against PG13 but it didn't happen.

(58:26):
That would have been. Funny and like, yeah, me and
Paul had no idea what we're we're going to do for team or
anything. We were going to figure it out
on the way like, you know, but he he got he got the opportunity
to go down to WCW and you got totake that.
You can't fuck that up, right? You know what you said at the

(58:48):
beginning of this conversation? You said, man, I ain't no
teenage girl. I can't do 45 minutes.
You have put in an hour, my friend, and you didn't even know
it. Will this make me the longest
I've ever been on the phone? The longest I've ever been on
the phone? Well, one thing that we got such
a history together. It's so good to talk to you,

(59:08):
man. You know, the other day, the
other day, we talked for a couple of minutes and I asked
you the dumbest question I thinkI've ever asked anybody and
didn't realize it too. After we have the phone a few
weeks back, I will tell you right now, a few weeks back I'm
with Paul and and Sunny on and Paul gives me the phone with you

(59:31):
on it. And the other day you mentioned
Paul and I like a fucking idiot.I go, oh, do you know Paul?
That's how we got talking together and it's such a dumb
question to ask. You're right there with him.
Yeah. OK, Haggis man.
Good guy, good guy. Well, Perry, I'm not going to

(59:52):
keep you no longer, brother. I really appreciate you coming
on and doing this for us. Dude, keep in touch with me.
We don't have to do podcast to. Talk.
Yeah, man, Yeah, man. Let's do it.
All right. Brother.
All right. Thank you, guys.
I appreciate it. Yeah, man.
Yeah. Good to see you guys.
Thank you, Sir. And we'll be right back with Ass
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Oh right we are back with ask Wolfie D anything and 1st off
man very Saturn bro Oh man that I I was in tears at certain.
Times, right? It's it's heartwarming, man, and
it's just crazy, man, because you know how I've always spoke
so highly of him and what a tough guy I thought he was and

(01:01:40):
all that stuff and just God, man, and it's all of us.
We, we get older, man. And man, he's had some rough
times, but he's pulled through and he's still with us, man, And
I think that's it makes him evenmore of a tough guy than I
thought he was. You know what I mean?
Oh, totally. He's he's definitely he he's in

(01:02:00):
it for the long haul, man. And I yeah, but you're right.
It does show how tough he is forsure.
That's, that's, you know, get shot twice, man, outright just
for being in the wrong. It was basically he was the
wrong place at the right time, essentially, you know?
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
But anyway, well, you know, we're so glad he's here with us

(01:02:22):
and we're so glad we had him today.
And and thank you all for listening and thank you, Perry,
for sticking around and talking to us.
So we greatly appreciate that. But today, to close out the
show, we've got Ask Wolfie D Anything a little bit of a
return of a popular segment thatwe didn't know I was so popular.
So we're going to start out withSteve Bow tie Bryant from

(01:02:43):
Facebook and Oh, Steve, you know, recently had a little bit
of a dust up with eBay. No, I'm just kidding it.
There was a little bit of a signing confusion there, but
anyway, we got that cleared out.But it might have started his
mind thinking about some questions here.
So he says ask Wolfie anything. He says what was it like getting
to work with your mom and stepdad in the USWAI know it was

(01:03:06):
the highlight of their their wrestling career.
Yeah, absolutely. I'm, I'm glad, man, that I could
do that for them. You know, I'm glad I had the
ability to be able to do that. I mean, I know Pete was jacked
up about it, but I know my mom, you know, probably who it
almost, I know my mom really enjoyed that and I know, yeah, I

(01:03:28):
know it made her proud. And, you know, just to be able
to get my mom to my mom walked to the ring with me at the Mid
South Coliseum, you know, and that's something that nobody can
take away from me. Yeah.
That's all. Yeah.
It was really cool, man. And like, I say more, more for
them. And not saying that I didn't
enjoy it, but I know what it meant to them.

(01:03:51):
And I'm glad to be the facilitator of that.
Sure, sure. I mean, without, you know,
saying a lot. Sometimes I say things.
I've said things. And I, I don't want anybody for
a second to think that I don't love them or love them like a
lot, you know, and I appreciate both of them, appreciate Pete

(01:04:13):
being such a good guy to my mom.Now, we might have had
differences and stuff, but he's a good man to my mom, and that's
what I appreciate. So yeah, that it was cool just
to be able to give them that opportunity.
And I think they both did an amazing job, by the way.
Yeah, yeah, definitely. And and did you ever get to see
your step sister do ballet? I don't know how.

(01:04:35):
To ballet, what do you? Well, that's what he says.
Did you ever get to see your step sister's ballet?
I don't know like. I'm not sure.
I know she she managed Cool Breeze a little bit there down
in Columbia and I I'm sure I probably have seen it, but I
can't really. I remember the character she

(01:04:55):
played and all that. I'm not sure.
Maybe it just means, you know, when people say, oh, it's not
ballet, maybe he's referring to wrestling.
I'm really I'm not sure on that one.
OK, but she was not a ballerina as far as you?
Know no that the the gimmick wasmore of a biker chick, so I
don't know. Well, daggone bow tie, you did.
Yeah. All right.

(01:05:16):
You can't see whatever that means.
Yeah, man, that's interesting. OK, All right, OK, well, thank
you bow tie for that very first question on this Ask Wolfie D
anything segment. This next one is from Charles
The Apprentice. And that's right, he's given
himself a name and we're going with it, baby.
So he is The Apprentice. So question from The Apprentice.

(01:05:39):
I recall one Saturday in Memphisat the TV, Jamie and Tracy
wrestled and everything looked good to me, again to me because
I didn't know. So I I recall they asked us at
last commercial break to stick around, you know, old pork chop.
He was a force of nature. So he guarded the curtain and

(01:06:00):
they do a brief match. Jamie and Tracy and I think same
finish, first time and last I ever saw that.
Was that a thing that happened very often.
They let us roll after that match signed The Apprentice.
So the deal, I think I understand what he's saying now
if that happened because Memphisis live.
So you got the the time frame there.

(01:06:21):
So I'm not sure if they it may have been a match for there had
to be something different or hassomething didn't do right
because they wouldn't have made them go back out there and do it
off air because that would have been off air because again, live
in Memphis. So they were you taping for
another town or because I mean, like I said, they couldn't redo

(01:06:43):
the what they just did at home Memphis CP.
So it had to be for something else.
I don't know. I don't remember it, but.
And and I know that if they did do that, that wasn't a usual
thing at all. So that must have been a special
occasion and I'm not sure for what.
Yeah, what reason? But that never happened with
you, like you had to repeat something.

(01:07:05):
No, no, no, no. OK, yeah, I know.
I've now for some other places like that TCW in out there in
Arkansas, Missouri, excuse me, Missouri.
I remember I was wrestling somebody.
I want to say it was me and Bordele match and I go to the

(01:07:26):
ring something and then the referee comes to me and goes
they want to redo the entrance or something.
And I'm like, what? What the fuck?
And I I hate shit like that. I don't, I'm not double taking
shit right. Live in front of the people.
That's right, man. Yeah.
And I remember I had to do come back out or something and I
can't remember what the reason was.
It wasn't my fault, whatever it was, but it was like, man, this

(01:07:47):
is stupid. I'm not even going to get the
same reaction that I got the first time.
Right. Yeah.
Be like, what the fuck? Yeah, yes, that shit happens,
man. Unfortunately, yeah, sounds like
it, dude. I bet that would drive you up
the wall, man. Because I know how I know how
you are. You're kind of a you like to

(01:08:08):
ride the on the edge of a lightning bolt.
You, you, you like the the to walk that razor thin wire.
You know, you're not a guy that I can't see you being happy
about doing that. Oh no.
No, not at all. Yeah, kids.
I mean, if you think about it like you explained, you blew the
pop. I mean, the pop was popped, you
know, right? Yeah, they are just seeing.

(01:08:29):
They are just seeing me come outonce.
Not even seeing Punk could get the same thing to FO, I
guarantee it, you know? It has to go down just a little,
don't it? Right.
It would have to. There's no way you know, but.
Unless the people were so pumpedto be, you know, they're a part
of a Monday Night Raw or they'rea part of a WrestleMania or
something like that. And that happened.
But I mean, you know, that wouldhappen, right?

(01:08:51):
Good, best stuff for them, but. Exactly, exactly.
OK, Well, that was a good question.
Thank you. The Apprentice we're still not
sure of the answer totally, but yes, we're we're pretty sure.
So all right, our 3rd and final question on Ask Wolfie is from
like I said, he's he's not the one man gang.
He's the one man Ask Wolfie D and that is John Lewis, 6196.

(01:09:14):
And he says, First off, he says,I like the title tale of two
wolves. Thumbs up on that.
It's it is probably already changed by now, but we'll go
with something else here. He says question for ask Wolfie
D anything. He says Luna Vashon said in a
shoot interview that she ripped off Brian Christopher's clothes
and taped them to the toilet. Do you know anything about that?

(01:09:35):
Man I wish I did now see the stuff like this gets
misconstrued, some stories get placed into other ones.
The only thing I know about a bunch of she might have been
telling the story and who's everrelaying this now is putting her
involvement in it. But he did get duct taped to a

(01:10:00):
toilet in WWE when he got up there.
I think it was JBL had somethingto do with it probably and I'm
not sure who else, but I believethe story goes and I wasn't
there but and and see the ripping of the clothes part
might be because I'm pretty surehe was taped to it naked.
So yeah, now you talk about trauma, he's sort of saying.

(01:10:23):
My gosh bro. Ribbing.
Ribbing can be, you know, especially back in the day,
could be that brutal man. And you could not by any stretch
of the imagination get away withshit like that today.
It just wouldn't happen. But there'd be lawsuits and shit
like that, you know, people would.
There's no way people couldn't lose their jobs and all that
kind of stuff. But yeah, man, Ribbon back in

(01:10:45):
the day was a motherfucker, Let me tell you.
Thank God nothing like that everhappened to me.
But I do know that that there, that there's truth.
I think there's truth in what he's asking.
Maybe Luna telling the story of that.
And it got not, not that she's saying she was there or, you
know, just telling the story, you know what I mean?
Right. It just happened, yeah.
Somebody heard, Oh, Louis said this.

(01:11:07):
That means Louis was there. No, No.
Right. I don't think Luna played part
in it. Maybe she did, I don't know.
Yeah, we tore his clothes off, you know.
I mean, and she could have been a part of it, would have to ask
the name about it. Yeah, and man, but dude, I just
like that. And and you know, The thing is,
is like JBL is like this now. Respected businessman on several

(01:11:31):
different podcasts walking around.
But that dude was a brutal river, huh man.
Yeah, yeah. Wow.
Yeah, All right, I guess. You know, a lot of that, the
heat was already there because he was Lawler's kid.
But then just Brian being Brian,you know, kind of amplified it,
I'm sure. Oh, of course.
And you know, Yeah. And then you got.

(01:11:53):
Golly, then you got that these. I mean, because if and then you
could not go. It's not like he could just run
and say Vince McMahon. He did this to me.
You know, like you can't, he can't like you can't take this
to HR technically, right? Exactly.
Exactly. And yeah, I mean, nowadays you
could, but then you couldn't. Right.
Yeah, Then you couldn't, man. Oh God.

(01:12:18):
Yeah, these people, people wonder why Brian had some of the
demons he did, man. I mean, that's, I'm sorry, but
that's got to be traumatizing. I mean, we laugh at it and I
remember at the time and, you know, laughing about it or
whatever, but damn, that's pretty fucking brutal, man.
Yeah, when you look at it from the absolute perspective of
like, what would you do if it were you?

(01:12:39):
Yeah, putting yourself in the position, bro, wakes you up a
little bit. Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, man. No doubt.
No doubt. Well, hey, sometimes karmas
takes forever, I guess. Every once in a while.
Yeah. Yeah.
But anyway, well, that is all I got brother.
All for Ask Wolf I. Think those are all pretty
pretty solid. Yeah, yeah.

(01:13:00):
We like them. So thanks guys for asking those
questions. Yeah, ma'am.
Well, guys, TuneIn next week I got somebody lined up, but I'll
just keep that to myself for a little bit.
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