Talking TCW pt.2!

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There we go, This is Killer Nichols, present day Ivan
Warsaw. This is Alan Stew.
This is Gary Roosevelt. Graham this.
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Across the street. Jimmy.
You know what? I have an idea.
What's that? That would be really cool.
You know, I know we're not supposed to be doing this, but
this, this ain't talking politics really.
I just think it'd be cool since the Secret Service is the shits
OK and responsible and all that shit.
Yeah. Say Trump hires his own security

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squad, like, like the fucking Expendables or some shit, you
know what I'm saying? Yeah, Yeah, like all those
dudes. But we know they're acting.
But Expendables in real life, let's say that maybe like 18 or
some shit, you know? I, I, I think both of them just,
but I mean, I really don't thinkthat that's far off from
probably happening, man. I mean seriously, you know.

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If I had his money and I was in his position and that happened
to me, oh, I'd be hand picking motherfuckers.
Yeah, exactly. You'd be Sylvester Stallone,
Jason Statham, everyone of y'all.
Yeah. Give me all.
Of them, who is the John Wick ofthis crew?
I need you. You know so.
Yeah, but I mean John Wick. But it's crazy this this

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political landscape, especially when you somewhat feel like and
know that either way it goes, the fix is in.
You know what I mean? Yeah.
And I don't. Have that picture, though.
I think I might do that is, yeah.
You remember the, I forget what year it was Royal Rumble, where
they're all walking down the street.
It's a drawing. Got Trump in the middle.

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And then The Expendables, the A-Team, fucking all these, all
the action guys behind him walking with him.
That'd be cool, Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, it would be
incredible. And who would like to buy that,
you know, picture and we could even.
Probably vote it on you. Know vote in a different way.
Please don't be mad at me for feeling the way I feel.

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I ain't mad at you so right. Right.
We're not like that. Don't tune us out because she
like that. Yeah, yeah, people lose.
Friends out here, man. You know what I would like to
hear? I would like to hear you go on
Joe Rogan. I think we need to work on
Wolfie D for Joe Rogan. How about that?
That's what we need, he seems. To know a lot more than I do.

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I don't know up from down anymore.
I think the hell the fucking world might be flat.
I don't fucking know at this point.
I almost wonder if the Stranger Things show was preparing us for
the Upside Down world. You know what I mean?
Like. Bizarro world, remember?
That yeah, man, definitely Superman and yeah, for sure, you
know, but I don't know. And we're the weirdos.

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But anyway, I got some five weirdo friends of mine that are
going to be on again today. Yeah, the first part was
awesome, and I highly believe this one will be just as
entertaining. Yeah, we're gonna go into kind
of what I plan on working towards the demise of TCW in

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this one. So be a different tone maybe, I
don't know. Yeah, yeah, I know.
I mean it. I think it'll still, you know,
the the two episodes together will tell the complete story.
Obviously, there's a ton more totalk about TCW and I mean, maybe
we'll have five more guys, Yeah.We could have.
I could easily name you five more right now, you know.
Yeah, it could be on here. Yeah.

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And and I mean we would love to have Tim Storm with Matt Rigiero
would be incredible, would be welcome.
Boyd Bradford, you know, I mean,so many people we could have on
that. There's a few people that I
forgot were even that worked there with me.
Shane Williams was there. Plunkett was there.
Shit, I can't. Jeremy Flint was there, man.

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So. And that might be the trip.
I know it was Punky's car and wehad just done Shelbyville.
Now Shelbyville to bum fuck Missouri is a fucking haul bro,
let me tell you. And we, we got out of
Shelbyville, I want to say at like 10 or 11.
And then we drove and Punky started getting tired like

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early, early on. Drove that whole motherfucker
while their mother three slept and they woke up when we got
there, I think it was plunk exhales.
He goes, God Dang, man, how'd you do that?
Because I didn't, I didn't, I think I, you know, I had to stop
and get gas, obviously, but these motherfuckers just slept
the whole time. And he's like, how'd you do
that? So I'm fucking trooper, bro.

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This ain't my first fucking roadtrip.
Right. I got I wear that like a badge
of honor, my man. Yeah, and from what I remember,
you jammed your song the whole way too, right?
I think I've been told. Yeah.
Yeah. Whatever it takes, right?
Or, as we used to say, in the nation of domination.
By any means necessary. Exactly man, I love Plunky and

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Jeremy Flint man. Both two good dudes.
Man what a cool looking tag team.
I thought they were too, man, you know?
Yeah, man. All right, well, let's get these
guys on here and get this show on the road.
All right, we'll be right back after these messages with
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Part 2 of the TCW roundtable discussion.

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Jimmy, that first week, that wasgreat stuff, man.
We. Dude it flew by man.
Dude an hour went by so fast. I feel like we everybody barely
got a chance to talk. It's like, man, we we need to do
a a six part episode on this. Maybe so maybe.
So, so all right, Jimmy, I'm going to let you because I'm
normally the one that starts it out and then I have to hot tag

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you and all that bullshit. So I'm going to let you start
week two out here, Part 2 of theTCW Roundtable.
Once you started out and then you hot tagged me.
How's that? Now I love it.
I love it. This is definitely not Wolfie
mode, y'all. I love Wolfie mode.
All right, so you know, I, I dida little stint in Nashville.
I hate to even talk about it. The people are so tired of

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hearing it. But I did manage a little bit in
Nashville and I remember, you know, you would go to a show,
work for Bert, work for TJ Weatherby, whoever, and they
would have one or two legends, you know, around.
And it would be like, you know, Doug Gilbert, Wolfie D, you
know, Brian Christopher, somebody like that, maybe Billy
Gunn, whatever. But the one thing that I thought
TCW did was blend the highest quality indie talent with so

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many incredible legends. And I guess the thing I would
like to do here is, is let's start with John on this one.
Who is one of the legends that you connected with the most?
Man, I'm, I'm going to tell you I'm really big because of my
age, man. I worked with somebody of Bill
Watch's original guys when I broke in in Louisiana.

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But I was, I am always big when a veteran guy tells you
something positive. And I'm going to tell you I had
we went to we had a after party or we went to eat or something
that Hooters after one of the tapings.
And that night I had worked withMatt Bourne and Matt comes in
and and me and Matt knew a lot of the same guys from Texas, but

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I had never met him, never worked with him, didn't know
him. He walked in, pat me on the
back. He said, Hey, kid, I said, well,
there's an interesting term for me, but what that's you're
probably the easiest match I've had in eight years and I didn't
have to move you one time. He said, brother, He said, damn,
who? And he wanted to know who broke
me in and I told him, I said, well, maniac Mike Davis started

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me. He goes brother, he talked you
right. He said, I I didn't feel you one
time. Didn't have to pick you up one
time. Of course I felt that hammer
when he hit me with that big sonof a bitch.
But one thing I loved about TCW is the guys that did come in.
I remember the first night TommyDreamer came in and me and Tommy
go way back. First thing he did, he looked at

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me. He said Saxon, there's a
production truck here. What's going on in this?
I. Said, well, brother, he's trying
to do it right, you know, and just for the for the fans, the
listeners out there, I know you got a lot of listeners that have
never seen TCW or we're familiarwith it.
Just a quick list for them. The guys that passed through
there when I just when I was there was Matt Borne, Chabo

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Guerrero, DDP came through. Obviously Bobby Eaton was kind
of a staple, but Matt was great about bringing those vet guys.
Tommy Dreamer, you know, Lance Hoyt, I, I had a hand in
bringing him in. He was big in Japan at the time.
And what was great was those guys came in and they were just

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Johnny on the spot working with the, the what would be
considered the indie talent. But man, you know, they would
come in, put guys over. It was just the camaraderie with
the veteran guys he brought in was always so good.
I always really appreciated that.
And once again, you know, Matt, Matt had a formula and blending

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those guys, man, put guys in there that that he knew could
get the job done. But also like with Roosevelt
and, and I'm glad Wolfie broughtthis up when I got there,
Roosevelt was comedy. And I'm just going to throw this
out there. I really didn't want to work
with it, but then I did work with him.
That came to me. He said, dude, y'all were
fantastic. And then I watched Wolfie come

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in and Wolfie brother he did. He evolved.
I watched Gary Roosevelt Graham go from comedy ring swinger OK
to a legitimate guy on a legitimate show with legitimate
everything. And it was.
I just kind of sat back and watched that as a Booker because
I've booked a lot man. I totally appreciated that.
And that's what the vet guys to me brought to the table was they

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would take that guy who had thatraw talent and just mold him.
And, and Roosevelt was one of those guys, man, I tell you
what. I was thrilled to work with him,
you know, once he took off, you know, and obviously Matt and
Wolfie saw the talent in him. That's awesome.
I appreciate. That Well, I tell you what,
Gary, take it away. From him, I saw it and Gary was
sink or swim. I got to teach this kid to work.

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I got to teach this kid to work,man.
He's my he's my meal ticket right now.
He's Matt's buddy. What about you SO?
What was the question? Yeah, just basically like what
legends or or legend or legends that you felt like you connected
with the most? Oh.
Dude. I don't know if he's he's, he's
getting, but Lance Hoyt, me and him hit it off.
We used to hang out a lot back in those days.

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He was cool as shit. And yeah, what was it?
And everybody's going to say Matt Bourne, but.
He always told me we wanted to work, but yeah, his it kind of
ended too quickly with him, but he always told me he wanted to.
Work I worked in one I. Worked Nichols one time with
Matt Bourne on the outside and he praised that match and it was
just a Nichols. It was just a squash match.
That's awesome. He gave me a good prop on that.

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Well, killer, it's all you, brother.
What about you? Well, before I go to Matt
Bourne, I'll tell you he broughtJake Robertson and we did a
thing where, you know, Matt, my guys in my corner and I was had
a match with Matt Riviera and hehad Jake Roberts in his corner

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and it was awesome having Jake there.
He was there all day. We go before the show, we had
back in the promo room doing promos and, you know, he sat in
there the whole time. You know, it was just great
having Jake Roberts there, you know?
Yeah, I remember mine. I did my promo and then he gave
me a little, you know, little critique still this and that,

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and I did another promo. You know, he kind of give me a
little notes and stuff and and then and then getting to work
with them in that match. It was that was bad ass.
I'm always like Jacob Snake Roberts and you know, going to
be able to be around him. Jim Duggan there, of course, you

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know, Bobby Eaton just great. I had a good, I had a good
relationship with Bobby Eaton before TCW.
So you know, it was like just being there with a good friend.
But man, it was fantastic getting A tag with Matt Bourne.
You know, you know, there's the stories about Matt and how he
was and stuff. But you know, I got we, we, we,

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we clicked pretty good because, you know, Matt was kind of on
that same level with him, But hehe for the most part, he in my
opinion, he was pretty level headed around that time.
He had his little slip UPS or whatever.
And but, you know, just having Matt there, like, we didn't
really ever have to go over much, if anything at all,

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whether it be a promo or match, you know, it was just like, OK,
you ready? Yeah, OK.
His face is painted. He's ready.
I'm ready. My boots are tied.
And let's just let's just go outand rock.
We're going to talk. We're going to promo.
We just, you know, we have to belike, really go over our cues.
We just kind of bounced off eachother and and the ring and the
match. If he was, if I had a singles

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match and he was on the outside and it was just, it was just
working, you know. I mean, you know, Wolfie, you
the same way. If you go out there and work.
I'm, I remember the first time Ihad that match with you, Wolfie,
I'll tell you that's mad becauseI always think about you.
And this was not in TTW. This was in Nashville, I
believe, and this is pretty early on.

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And, you know, I was getting excited and I remember in the
back and you're not really talking me much about the match
or whatever. And then I have these ideas and
I'm like, hey, hey, I got this idea.
You're like, OK, what? And then I started telling you
this and that and I said something about it back here and
you got me off. Hey, hey, hey, stop, shut up.
Y'all got to tell me any of that.
If you want to get it in and getit in, you know, I don't need to

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know any of that shit. But it was great because I, and
I was like, it put me at such ease, like, yeah, yeah, okay,
yeah, we can just do it and it'sthat way.
Yeah. And then plus like, what the
fuck am I doing asking you about?

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Just shut up and listen to the man when he calls his spots or
whatever. And I'll tell you this too, the
way you call your match, like not, you know, and I don't know
if you just the way you called the match, I remember it was so
easy because you're not calling specific shit.
For me. It was just like I cut off he he
OK, hold OK. And then you say something for

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your, you know, false comeback or whatever spot it was.
And it was just like you gave methe cues, but you gave me the
freedom to, you know, do my thing.
It wasn't like, it wasn't like micromanaging.
Fucking. Match, you know, Yeah, and and
that, you know, and being trained the way I was, you know,

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I was kind of already chewed up for that.
And then working with you like that I was trying to go with
when I was working with Matt Bourne and TCW or that fit
Finley. Match like I was so comfortable
there, like, you know, seemed like he hid from me all day or
something like and I was comfortable with it, you know,
And of course it's Finley. You know, I don't need to talk

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much to him and you know, you know, but you know, a lot of
guys, though, if you know, they get the nerves going before the
match and they get home and theygot to go over to match over and
over. Oh, you're killing my buzz here,
man. You make it, you know, and but
coming, you know, that preparation was, you know, you

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can't, you can't buy that shit anywhere.
You know, it's just you got to be around the people that, you
know, just know how to do it. And but yeah, I had a great
connection with Matt Borne, man.Like it was that that that was
really great. Yeah.
I think it was like 2 years of us tagging and, you know, got to
know each other pretty well and work good together.
I love them and I learned a lot from him.

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It was, it was easy. It was easy, easy shit.
TCW was the first time that I had ever met Matt when I came
there and he was, I mean, we didit.
We, me and him, just me and him.I forget how I got there, but I
needed a ride back to Memphis from wherever the fuck we are.
We're way out there. And me and him rode back.
He drove and great conversation.Great dude.

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I never got a chance to work with him, but just, you know,
automatically, radically, you know how it is, you know, one of
the guys and you just you could tell when like he could tell.
I knew what time it was type of thing.
And we had a good trip, man. And it wasn't long after that
that he passed away. And yeah, thank you for your
thank you for your compliment, Kevin.

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I appreciate that man. And, and I'm going to go off
here on a different little thingbecause of what you said about
calling it like I called it to you.
I don't know if anybody's seen this, but I, I think it's worth
bringing up to the listeners at the Cauliflower Alley Club
convention this year in Las Vegas, Synbodie, who used to be

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my tag team partner and TNA, oneof them, one of the five or six
that I had while I was there, new church members.
He's putting on a, a show. Somebody else is with him on it.
I can't remember, but it's called on the fly and they're
taking I guess kind of an application type thing for

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younger dudes. They're going to set you in the
audience. You're not going to know who
you're working. The legends like the cauliflower
hourly guys are going to pick onthe fly, OK, this dude is like a
babyface side and a hillside. And they're going to be sitting
in the in the crowd, right? And they're going to say, all
right, you versus you getting ready to do it and they got to
call it on the fly. I would give anything if I could

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be there for this, but hopefullygoing to take, I'll get to see
it after. So I think it's a tremendous
idea. I think it's, I don't know it,
it could be really good. It could be really bad I guess,
I don't know. Hey, hey, Wolf the sack and see,
I got a question about that because you know, when you broke
in and I don't think I ever asked you who broke you into the

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business. I don't think we ever had that
conversation. But with now when you broke in,
was it still like when I broke in, brother, the veteran guy
didn't even talk to you before you went to the ring?
It was just like. Just keep your mind, Mike Davis
told me. He said.
Kids, shut up because you don't know anything.
And even if you knew that that'dbe something and you don't know
that, I got straight up. I got cussed out by Tommy Rich

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one time and I was good because I wouldn't talk to him.
And I said, brother, I was told to shut up.
Now, when you broke in, was it still being done that way?
Yeah, of course man. And and it was it was still also
and to and to clear that up. All right, so this has been in
Tennessee. Like people are like, oh, well,
Rick Reynolds trained Wolfie, we'll know.

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And and because I say Gypsy, Gypsy Joe when I say it.
And let me, let me explain that one more time for everybody that
needs a refresher on that. So, so Rick Reynolds and my
stepfather were training with Gypsy Joe.
I was 15 years old. I begged them, let me go to the
ring and train with you guys. Let me go train with you guys.
Rick had showed me a few things at the apartment, You know, when

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he'd come over. He was a friend of my my
stepdad's. And he would show me a few
things, blah, blah, blah. But the first time I ever got in
a ring was with my stepdad, RickReynolds and Gypsy Joe.
So I say Joe was calling everything in there.
This is what I want you to do. This is what I want you to do.
This is so when people say he trained you, Gypsy Joe, Rick
Reynolds broke me into the business.

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Gypsy Joe showed me, gave me my first lesson.
Danny Davis actually taught me how to work hands on when I
started with USWA. George Weingroff taught me when
I was in the Outlaws that he as a young kid, I was hands on man.
You know, I say to. It was almost, let's say again.
Ryan Groff ever cranky dude? Because I always heard.

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No, man, he he loved me, man. I still talk to him today, man,
he didn't take. He's great.
Like I said, the only person that ever really took advantage
of me when I was breaking in wasKen Wayne.
And that's why I say I don't like.
Him. Of course he didn't.
Mean shit to me and then he tried to embarrass me in the
dressing room one time for liking this real pretty rat.

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But anyway. So yeah, going back on that,
John, but when I broke in, not every show, but a lot of shows
were still heels in one dressingroom, babyface in another.
You didn't talk you you got to finish.
That was it. Yeah, see, that's how that's how
I was when we start, when I started too.
And. And if you were a young guy, you

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just didn't even open your mouth, dude.
Yeah, because yeah, those guys would have just stretched you
all over the. Ring, say hello, and then, you
know, introduce yourself and shut the fuck up.
Well, to continue on with the legends if we can real quick,
Alan, what about you, brother? I think everybody's going to
speak very highly of Bobby Eatongot to be one of the nicest

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wrestlers and and probably humanbeings I've ever met.
We became friends, not nearly probably as close as like Greg
and and a couple of other guys, but every time we saw him, it
was it was just like a as a friend you hadn't seen in a
while as a hug and a conversation.
And he was fantastic. But one that I was mentioned

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that bonded with real quick was he booked Al Snow one time and
I'll stay on the record. Matt Riviera told me later that
Al Snow was his least favorite name he ever brought in because
Al Snow thinks outside the box quite a bit.
And it's like, I think everything that Matt wanted him

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to do, Al Snow kind of founderedeverything and and told him and
should do it a certain a different way.
And, you know, just had these different ideas and and Riviera,
you know, on on show day didn't have a lot of time to sit there
and and have, you know, casual conversation and change up a
bunch of stuff. So Matt got really pissed off at

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out snow, but I sat next to him in the in the locker room and we
sat and just chatted and and cracked jokes and and played
ribs and the whole night and Riviera was about to blow his
top and I was one of the best nights I remember having in the
company. But yeah, we hit it off right

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away. So yeah, he was really cool to
me. Tell you something on that.
It's funny because Ali is like that and I, when I was still
living in Nashville and I believe Al was working for TNA
at the time and I just switched from, I guess slash into this
like an assassin, deal with the fangs and all that stuff.
The service type gimmick. And so I'm like, hey man, you

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know, let's let's let's have lunch man and talk to you and I,
you know, I brought a picture togimmick and all that kind of
stuff. We're having lunch and I show
him the picture and algos. OK, Well, he goes, he goes, he
goes, what's his story? So what the fuck you mean what's
his story? I don't fucking know.
It's your job. You know, he's like, what's his

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back story? What's he about?
I'm like, I don't fucking know. I this is what I look like and
can you do something with it? But he's he's sitting there
wanting me to give him this whole stupid.
Oh, he was bitten by a, you know, a wolf when he was five.
And you know, I don't know Al what the fuck you want, man.

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All right, Greg, what about you,brother?
Man, I just I was really blessedwith all this kind of stuff
because, you know, like we talked about, you know, I got
the Bobby even was my hero growing up, one of my heroes
growing up and to be able to start tagging with him was was
obviously like a dream come true.
And then you, as everyone's kindof talked about, once you meet
him, he ends up not only is he one of the greatest in ring

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talents of all time, but he's actually nicer in person.
You know what I mean? He's a, he's a nicer human being
than he is a professional wrestler.
And with the last time I talked to Bobby is when his wife Donna
had passed away, I called him togive him my condolences and I
was on the phone with him for about 3 or 4 minutes before one
of the grandkids showed up. And but all he wanted to do was

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talk about me and my family. And that's indicative of what
Bobby was, right? Like I'm, I'm trying to call him
to console him about, you know, his wife passed away and he's
asking me how are my kids now and how's the company going and,
you know, all this kind of stuff.
And then, you know, just Rivierahad booked Danny Hodge and
Scandal Ackbar on the same card one time.

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You know, and I sat there, everyone else is kind of running
around getting ready, not payingany attention.
And Scandal Ackbar and Danny Hodge are sitting there talking
to each other for an hour and I'm like 6 feet away.
Just listen to every word they say.
I mean, they're putting each other over and talking about the
old days and stuff like that. And, you know, Danny had
actually watched my match after that and was really
complimentary. And then, you know, we get guys

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like Diamond Dallas Page to comein in and he's on a taping and
me and Riviera are doing something with him later in the
night. Well, he watches my my match
earlier in the night and then hecomes up to me when I'm, when
I'm with some other guys and he like slaps me on the shoulder
and he's like, he's like, dude, you can, you can go.
He said all that little mannerisms and stuff you do
before you even lock up. That's what wrestling's about.
That's what Dusty taught me. You know what I mean?

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He just put me over in front of everybody like that.
And then everyone's talking about Matt Bourne.
You know, Matt Bourne was, was John hit the nail on the head.
Our our locker room. That locker room could have been
anywhere in the world, you know what I mean?
When you look at that locker room from top to bottom, any one
of those guys could have went anywhere else in the world and
been OK, right. And like born was, you know,

(26:40):
from my understanding, talking to Tim, because Tim had known
him obviously decades before we did.
And, you know, he he, but he Matt wasn't like he wasn't, you
know, just automatically complimentary to everybody, you
know what I mean? Like you had to work for his,
for his love sometimes, you knowwhat I mean?
And like I got through the matchone time and I came through
gorilla. And like as soon as I came
through the gorilla, he's like bee lining.

(27:01):
Like OK, imagine a clown runningat you #1 But like he's bee,
he's bee lining to me. And he gets to me, goes, dude,
you can fucking work, you know what I mean?
And I just, I really took that to heart because I knew he
didn't give out compliments justto anybody, you know what I
mean? So I mean the TCW stuff and I
got to work with, you know, MattHardy several times and tag

(27:22):
matches, stuff like that. And like, he never treated me
like, well, he's he's Matt Hardy.
And I'm just this this guy on this this lower card, like me
and Matt, we're talking. And I think this is time him and
Jeff had just started working the Young Bucks here and there
and they had some match where they apparently tore the house
down and they were selling it somewhere, like selling it on
DVD or I don't even think streaming was really a thing

(27:43):
yet, but they were selling it online somewhere.
And I was talking him about that.
And I was like, that's really cool.
So I hope I, you know, I hope I get a chance to check it out.
And I walked away and then a couple minutes later he get back
to me. He said, hey, here, what's your,
what's your phone number? And he texted me a a private
link to the match so I can watchit.
That's. Awesome.
You know what I mean? Yeah.
He didn't treat me. He he treated me like one of the
boys, like, like, you know, Wolfie was saying, you know,

(28:05):
like you didn't treat like one of the boys and, you know, just
treated like an equal, you know.So CCW was was a huge confidence
thing for me, you know, and thenJay Lethal at the time, Matt
Riviera brought in Jay Lethal and I was the TCW junior
heavyweight champion the time and Lethal was the actually the
ROH television champion at the time.
And of course he doesn't know mefrom Adam and he comes in, look

(28:27):
at me and you guys know I'm not a bodybuilder by any means,
right? So he, he doesn't know what he's
getting into, but we get out there, man, and, and like he's
feeling it, you know, he actually had me slap him in the
middle of the match and like, you know, I, I end up pinning
the ROH television champion, youknow, for that thing.
And like he got the back. He's like, dude, you know,
you're, you're really good. Like where, where have you been

(28:48):
and stuff like that? He said.
I when, you know, when I had youslap me, I was feeling it, you
know, we were there, you know, So I just, I, I would like I
said. TCW was just a huge.
Turning point in my confidence as far as maybe I am going to be
OK at this, you know? Yeah, right.
Yeah, yeah. And that's, so that's everybody
on that question, right, Jimmy? Yeah, and I was about to roll to
you the hot tag, if you'd like me.

(29:09):
To Oh my goodness, bring it to me, baby.
All right, I'm rolling with the front roll.
Here we go, perfect timing hop. And I'm, I'm hopping the top
rope coming in. Boom.
So here's my question to everybody.
I'm going to I'm going to give my answer first, but to
everybody and, and I'll we'll goin order, I guess.

(29:29):
What happened? What do you think happened?
In my opinion and, and the only person, I think Kevin, you'd be
the only one that was, was gone before the end, I think.
And then I got fired right before the end.
I believe it was. But I just saw it happening and
I've seen it happen before with other upstart companies.

(29:50):
I don't know if you know there'sand I don't know this part of
it. So you guys can clarify on some
of this. The money ran out and you
started dropping first. Who was the guy?
Somebody just yell out the name the producer guy that was
supposed to work for WWE back inthe day.
That was Nelson Swaggler. OK, I don't know that I ever

(30:12):
even talked to that guy. I might have.
Well, he OK now Greg was sittingthere the first time I was in
production. Me and him got into it right off
the bat and I OK, there's there's a ton to that story,
Wolfie, and I'm going to be honest with you it OK, let me
just say what I'll tell you whatI know about about match all.
Right, well, let me, let me whenI get to you, let me you finish

(30:35):
all that. Let me just finish what?
I'm my part of it real quick, OK?
So yeah, yeah, that was one thing that was I felt like, OK,
money's running out. We're cutting costs here, We're
cutting costs there. And then the main thing to me,
and I'm not saying anyone's name, if anybody listens or the
people that do listen to the show, I don't knock hardly
anybody. That's not my deal on here.

(30:56):
I don't try to get other people to knock people.
And that's not what I'm saying here.
What I'm saying is I think sometimes that these guys get in
this, OK, I like football and I'm very knowledgeable about
football, but I would not adviseany NFL team to hire me as their
head coach, OK? So in saying that, I think Matt

(31:17):
and some of his closer friends, he started listening to those
people that, you know, we know what we're doing here.
We don't need this person. We don't need to listen to that
person type of deal. That's my opinion on what
started happening. So I'll go and John, I'll start
with you. OK, first of all, and and and I
don't once again, it it wasn't OK, it wasn't the money.

(31:40):
I'll tell you right now, Matt didn't run out of money.
I'm privileged to a little information people have to
remember Matt Rivera's family owns the largest sand and gravel
company in the state of Arkansasright?
Wow. That is Matt's primary biz.
My understanding is his brother had Rd. contracts also.
So Matt had 1,000,000 millions of dollars worth of equipment.

(32:05):
And my understanding, or as it was sold to me now not directly
by Matt but by someone was that Matt's dad was very concerned
because the the wrestling was taking up so much time away from
the primary money making business.
But it had to be losing money too, right?
Well, OK. And and here's the thing.

(32:26):
Well, what I do know is some of the Internet, well, you know, a
lot of guys don't realize we were in a bunch of international
markets that were paying for theTV.
They were literally writing checks for the TV.
Now, as far as the lighting and all that being scaled down, that
didn't have anything to do. That was me and Tommy Parker.

(32:46):
I'm going to tell you why. Nelson Swaggler now, and he was
a producer for WWF later. He did showtimes boxing, OK, And
he was a guy. He was having a ball spending
mats money. Me and Parker recognized that
right off the bat and we're likeman, he is going to drain this

(33:07):
company in five seconds. The amount of money Swaggler was
was spending OK in production. We said, hey, we're doing a pro
wrestling company a little bit grainier, take it down a notch.
Save some of that money like thelighting crustals the and all
that that showed up later. Matt bought all that that was

(33:28):
self-contained and we were telling him you instead of
renting all this equipment out of that makes sense back and
swaggler and me, I'll tell you, but Greg was there at the table
We got into it first day I was there OK in production because
he he was one of those guys He was a suit that saw Matt in a
different light. He wanted to see how much money

(33:48):
he can get out of it. I wanted Matt to be successful
as did the rest of the boys and the guys in and I know Greg did
Greg was right there in production and creative.
Greg was 100% invested. He was there long before I got
there. Me and Parker came in and the
first day Parker said, dude, he's got the he'll back some of
this money, bro. He'll be out of business really
fast. So I know that that kind of it

(34:10):
wasn't the fact that Matt couldn't fund it.
Matt could. But the other thing, Wolfie, I'm
going to say this, OK. And somewhere that I was driving
one day, Bruce Pritchard's podcast was on.
This was a several years ago andhe brings up this very point.
He said, you know, when I was with Vince, there was a producer
that loved to spend Vince's money, a guy named Nelson

(34:31):
Swaggler. When he said that I'm down
there, ran off the road. OK, so now y'all know I ain't
just making this shit up. This guy loves to spend money
unnecessarily. And so I think there was a lot
of there was just a lot of variables.
And here's the other thing, Matthad to do it Matt's way, OK.
And when you start to get a company and you've got that many

(34:54):
moving parts, you have to have afull staff of people because
there's so many things. And Matt is the guy that has to
run it himself. He just does, yeah.
I think a lot of that is, you know, they're just, if you don't
have a full time office trying to do TV and shoots and and
everything, I think honestly, Matt probably just got burned

(35:16):
out on top of it because it was just so much.
But you know, he had his his guys, his college guys he went
to school with. And I know they did have some
influence, but I, I don't think it was the money near as it was
just the other outline issues and the Sandy Gravel company had

(35:37):
to come first. I mean, that's, that is, I mean
that's his money maker. So, you know, I think that had a
lot to do with it. Got you.
All right, Gary, go ahead. Oh, shoot, yeah.
Follow that. You had your head down sleeping
in class and I just called. But no, nobody wanted that place

(36:02):
to work more than me. Man, I was like when he was
talking. Earlier about like Jake the
snake. Giving all those talks about
doing promos, I was in the back holding the boom mic.
I was in charge of the ring crew.
I'd get there the day before I set it up.
Many after TCW shows. I was the only one out there
tearing the ring down. You know what I mean?
I just. Wanted that place to work.
I stayed out of all the politicsand shit.

(36:23):
I just wanted money. Did you go to bat for me when I
got fired? I did.
I tried to get you on that and that freaking yeah.
I'm just playing, man. I, I'm, I'm good at shooting.
Sorry, I got a lot of holes on my foot.
All right, So Allen, Allen, go ahead.
Man, I honestly, it was a big question mark to me.

(36:47):
You know, I, I just assumed thatit, you know, that it was a
money thing, but I mean, you know, Saxon saying it was
definitely not the case. So I really don't know, but I,
you know, I know he was spendinga lot of money because you could
just look at it and tell, you know, this is expensive, But I
just thought not necessarily he was running out of money, but I

(37:09):
just was thinking maybe he's getting tired of spending all
this money. That was my opinion.
That's what I say when. I when I say the money ran out,
I don't, I don't guess I necessarily mean he didn't have
the money to keep going. I just like I said, it had to be
losing. And at a certain point all these
companies that have been upstartcompanies that go out of

(37:30):
business, I mean even TNA at thebeginning when we thought it was
going to go out of business, they're losing money period.
You know, yeah, they got money, but they're losing money and
that's not what they're in business for.
Yes, see, I've always heard any kind of upstart.
You know, your first five years don't don't count on making a
profit, you know, but I thought he got tired of writing all

(37:54):
those chicks. But I did in in the back of my
mind, I was like, man, he's spending a lot of time, you
know, with this. I wonder how much time this is
taking away from his gravel company and and, you know,
personal life and is is 9:00 to 5:00 or whatever.
So that's always just kind of what I guess, man.
And, you know, never had that conversation with Matt to to
find out for sure, But I know there was a an opportunity, I

(38:18):
think at one point for him to sell the company to a big
production company. And then, you know, that was
going to kind of cover any debtsthat were laying out there.
And, you know, kind of like Ringof Honor did they sold the
Sinclair or whatever. And that he was, he was looking
down the same Ave. when that deal didn't happen.
And so and when that deal fell through, it is kind of like you

(38:39):
said. Yeah, Well, that's it for me, is
the impression that I got. So I could be completely wrong,
but that's how I kind of looked at it, yeah.
All. Right.
So, so I got I got a little story.
So kind of my perspective, I'd be having conversations with
Matt and he tell me, you know, what we're doing with the show

(39:00):
and stuff. And he would tell me, you know,
all but this show is it's going to other countries and stuff,
you know? And, you know, not that I
thought he was a liar, but you also know how like, you know,
people really, really exaggerateor something.
I was wondering, man, is it, is it, is it really going to other
countries? I mean, what does that mean?
You know, I had a good friend ofmine.

(39:20):
She was in a she was on a mission trip with the church and
she was in Africa and she spent a lot of time there.
She was there for like a month or couple months.
She was getting really homesick.She called us out the blue.
She was homesick and shit. And she was in whatever house
she was with and all the kids was there and she was like, all

(39:40):
of a sudden they put on wrestling.
They were like, Kevin, who's your match is one of my match.
She was like, all the kids were fucking blowing up.
I was like, damn, he was tellingthe truth.
It was a, you know, it was beingin other countries, you know,
and, you know, people out there were loving it.
They were digging it. Like these African kids were
like, they started finding me onthe Internet and like, they'd

(40:02):
send me messages and stuff. One of them still talks to my
wife and there's like, a doctor now.
And OK, he was doing this stuff,you know, the match really
organized. Look, I, I've been over, you
know, doing the promos and stuffin between shows.
I've been to his house, I've been to his parents house.
He's got a great family and stuff.

(40:24):
And they got they're, they're, they're doing well, you know,
you know, so the, the money wise, you know, at the time I
couldn't really figure out, man,it was good, it was fun,
everything was good. Wonder why I shut down.
Not my perspective Now I look atit, man, because until you're
like, really you're the head of a company or a wrestling

(40:45):
company, like being a wrestler, you can kind of you can try to
put yourself in the shoes of theBooker, promoter, the money guy
and and trying to get the sponsors and then dealing with
all the boys you're trying to work with, book the matches and
get people in and have to deal with the guys that can't the
book. Oh, they're not going to make it

(41:05):
or the guys that you're but theydon't even call me, tell you no
call, no show type thing. And then the whole headache and
then, you know, it's, it's a part of like, it's like, no,
it's not just like it's a part of like every moment of your
life. And you're doing your other work
and you're take all your shoe job and your businesses.
It's still like in there. And you're thinking like all the

(41:25):
time, like, Oh, what about, you know, and you can think about it
in a good way, but then you're always, I mean, you're always
sweating. Like, what if this guy doesn't
show you got to have these contingency plans and all this
stuff. He's still, he's still running,
you know, because with the Sam Gravel company, you know, he was
a major, you know, you know, major management as part of

(41:46):
that, you know, so oh man, I hadthis stressful thing going on
and like you said, like, yeah, I'm sure he was more than likely
losing more money than he was making and stuff, but could he
could probably handle the tip ofthe scales in that way.
But then with the, you know, themental burden that can bring on,
I mean, shit, at some point it'slike slow down, drop out before

(42:11):
you like have a heart attack or kill yourself over it.
You know, that's kind of my viewof it from where I stand now,
which I didn't really understandback then.
You know, I think it's just it'sa, it's a heavy load.
That makes sense. Let's take a quick time out and

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Well, I mean, every, everyone, everyone's right about certain

(44:05):
aspects of it, in my opinion. Like it was, it wasn't the money
per se. You know, obviously Matt had
enough money. And like Alan said, you know,
any business you start up, you know, you're going to, you're
going to lose money for five years before you end up getting
in the black, you know, And Matt, Matt knew that.
So it really wasn't that, you know, like you said, Wolfie,
it's like, you know, maybe he should have hired a head coach

(44:27):
or a Booker or whatever it was. But Matt really he I was the
assistant Booker, but at the same time, he he micromanaged
all that kind of stuff. Like you were in charge a lot of
the tag stuff when you were there.
You know, I mean, like I was in charge of some of the junior
stuff. Saxon was in charge of some of
the junior stuff at one point, right?
I mean, we, he micromanaged and gave, gave everyone their own
little piece to kind of handle that thing.

(44:49):
But at the same time, yeah, he, he had his hand in all of it.
And by the end of it, you know, it was, it was a lobe, you know,
I mean, like, like Kevin was saying, I mean, he was running a
national wrestling company, you know, pretty much on his own
like that. And it got to the point where
he, you know, he, he wasn't working out his, his weight
ballooned up. It got to the point where he

(45:09):
wasn't even wrestling on his ownwrestling show the last year,
TCW and we had the Empire going,you know, he wasn't even
wrestling. I was the most televised guy on
that show because I was part of the number one heal group and I
was one of the only ones wrestling, right.
So all that, all that stuff kindof played into what you guys are
talking about. Plus the Nelson Swiggler stuff,

(45:29):
plus the the Jamie guy coming inthe book, you know, that kind of
stuff. But that would definitely do it.
I'll tell you what, me and Matt have talked about this before,
but I think the number one thing, I think something that
would have been a cure all for everything would have been there
is a Southern bias in professional wrestling.

(45:50):
And everybody in this thing, everyone in this thing right now
has, has suffered that Southern bias at some point in our
careers. In America, honestly, not just
wrestling, you know? Yeah, and we've, we've, we've
all experienced that. And that's exactly what
happened. If the Internet wrestling
community had got behind us likethey did Ring of Honor, like
they did, you know, you know, pro wrestling Gorilla out in

(46:13):
California or some of these other companies that you know,
don't make it, don't make any sense sometimes.
We were a southern based old school wrestling company that
had like we talked about a roster from top to bottom when
that was pretty much unmatched. You know, I mean, if they would
have got behind us like they needed to and the writers would
have started writing about us and they would start pushing
stuff, I think we would have, wewould have got over that hump

(46:35):
and we'd still be in Business Today.
You know, that is a very, very, very great answer.
I'm serious. I, I you're absolutely 100%
right about that. Well, I, I like that.
We we talked about before and that's kind of what we we felt
it then. You know, I mean, like here we
are, we've got Matt Hardy, we'vegot Zach Gowen, we've got
Duggan, we've got all these stars.

(46:57):
Then they're we got Lance Hoyton, Dreamer that are
actually part of our roster and we've got all we got Wolfie,
we've got me and Alan and and you know, we know WW is looking
at us because they signed Killer, right?
You. Know we, we know all these
things are in place, but we're not, we're not getting over that
hump. We're not getting the
recognition that we deserve for a lot of it.
You know, and Matt, like you said, we sold stuff

(47:18):
internationally. Our TV was on in Africa and
Cameroon and places like that. And we're still on.
I don't know if a lot of you guys know because we're still on
in Arkansas to this day. I just had another 10 year deal.
We're going to be on for another10 years in Arkansas.
You know. So I mean we're.
Still on. So it's still, it's still.

(47:39):
I get messages every couple months.
Hey, you're wrestling Dustin Heritage on TCW right now.
They were that. I'm going to tell y'all, they
ran that here, you know, becausewe had TV in Meridian, Ms. too.
They ran that on loops for yearsafter TCW was shut down.
They were still putting it in filler spots and so that'll tell

(47:59):
you the TV, I'm going to tell you right now, the TV was
strong. The viewership in the areas it
was in was it was not the problem.
But like Greg said and Greg thatyou're 100% right that Southern
bias. If we would have got the
Internet writers telling everybody how great it was, we'd
had, trust me, we'd had so much more influx of people viewing it

(48:22):
and every fan, and I think all of y'all that because we did
meet and greets will agree. How many times did you get told
by our fans? Man, this is so much better than
anything else on TV. This is real all the time.
I got killed every time. All that, it's what people,
especially in the South, is whatthey wanted.
Yeah. Well, and also too, because we

(48:44):
all took pride in what we did and for like Jackson said, he
was he was blackballed from DotaD.
So this is maybe his last shot at a winner, you know, I mean
the old Major League story, you know, like he took pride in what
he did. He went out there every every
time and we all had a really good healthy competition with
each other, right? Like, I want to prove that I was
just a good worker. John Saxon.

(49:05):
John Saxon would have proved he was good as Jason Kincaid.
Kincaid wouldn't work. See, he's good as Sigmund and
the list goes on and on, right? And it was, it was fun to be in
that locker room and, and you know, do that with you guys.
With what we've been talking about, like, so I live in
Northwest Arkansas and I'm an hour north of Fort Smith.
Look, and I'm running Ozark Mountain wrestling up here now.

(49:26):
I get people still talk like they come, I don't know them.
They come to the show or whatever and they still talk
about the TCW shows. It was a couple of months ago, I
was South of Fayetteville and I walked into a gas station kind
of out there and, you know, I don't have my Mohawk anymore.

(49:48):
But the, you know, the dude behind the counter, he was like
looking at me, looking at me andI'm checking out and stuff.
He's like, hey, are you Killer Nichols?
I was like, yeah, it was. And just going on about TCW,
like the people that came to those shows, it was fucking on,
man. And that, like, those people
still remember, they still talk about it, you know?

(50:09):
And yeah, I mean, it made a lasting impression on, on not
just us, but the the audience. And that's a big thing, man.
The audience connected with it big, big time.
Yeah, that's very cool. Hey Wolfie, I still sell our
pictures at some of these shows here in Arkansas and they still
sell man, I think. Hey, send me some money.
That's a whole. Thing with Bill Dundee.

(50:36):
Right, let me look real quick. Y'all brought up Jason Kincaid
and obviously I know Jason, I didn't know him well but I
worked with them. Great wrestler.
But is it true? And in some, I know Greg or John
are going to know this answer, but is it true that he actually
gave away the junior heavyweighttitle into a Mexican promotion?
Is that true? Yes, 100% yes.

(50:56):
So Riviera, on the last PCW thing, he told a couple of us,
hey, just keep the titles. He didn't know what he's going
to do yet. So like I had like the
international title. I think I had the tags, you
know, I had just different titles of his that I took home
and kept with me. Well, Kincaid, he he gave him
the junior title. I just hold on to it, you know,
that kind of thing. Well, Kincaid did one of his

(51:17):
shows in Mexico and apparently he told because Riviera asked
me, hey, can you get my title back from Kincaid?
So I messaged Kincaid. He's like, Oh yeah, gifted it to
a company in Mexico and I'm and I'm and these are beautiful.
How the hell am I going to tell Riviera this?
These are like Reg part Dave Milliken belts, right?
Dave Milliken's Yeah, Dave Milliken titles refused to use

(51:39):
anything but Dave Milliken titles.
Why didn't you sell it? Why do you give it?
Why didn't you? Call it, I think he wait a.
Minute he I think he literally thought Riviera was giving it to
him as like a parting gift, likethank you for all your hard work
and TCW and like like then he ended up giving it to another
company. I'm like, dude, I didn't know.
Wolfie D sat in a hotel room anddrank his West Virginia

(52:02):
moonshine. Brother.
Oh yeah, we're talking about Kincaid.
Who knows who you know, just in.I would be remiss and I don't
mean to take over, but since Kincaid was mentioned, I will
say this. I did a bet that best of seven
series on TV with him and brother.
All I remember thinking is if I was 10 years younger because

(52:26):
shout out to Kincaid if he hearsthis because I was in the
backside of my career. A lot of injuries, a lot of
ailments. And dude, I was trying to keep
up with that kid and he carried me and took care of me.
Like a million, $10 to that bestof seven series.
And when people ask me in in almost 30 years of being
involved in wrestling, that was one of the funnest things and

(52:48):
one of one of the best things that I got to do.
And I got to do it really late. And anybody out there, if you
get a chance to check him out, he's still out there on
Independence. He's still working, man, That
guy was truly a phenom, not to mention one of the best human
beings. I mean, he's a old mountain

(53:08):
hillbilly, but I think just. Don't give him your just don't
give him your belt. Yeah, for sure man.
This has been absolutely awesomeentertaining to me and I'm
pretty sure everybody listening will feel the same way.
Jimmy, do you have a final question or can I wrap it up

(53:31):
with my final thoughts here? Yeah, go ahead with the.
I mean I. I just want to go around to each
person again. I had each one of you on here.
We were thinking of me and Jimmycame up.
Well, I kind of pitched this idea to Jimmy.
Hey, let's do a show on TCW. We haven't covered that.
And then I said, well, who should we get on?
OK, well, man, I want to get this dude.
Well, I want. OK, well, Dang, I can't have

(53:52):
him. So there's five of you here and
I'm sitting here at this moment or throughout this show going,
damn, I should have had this guy.
You know, there could have been 10 more people on here that I
would love to have had. Kincaid being one of them and
and many more. Bradford.
Sigmund. Sigmund Yeah, man.

(54:13):
Elliott, man, all these guys, man.
So we might even have to do another one with, with another
five or something. Shit, I don't know.
This was kind of fun. I really dug it.
But I want to go around each oneof you, but it doesn't
necessarily have to be about TCW.
But you can say whatever you want to say, man.
And again, I think each and everyone of you for coming on
here and I, I adore each and everyone of you or I wouldn't

(54:36):
have had you fucking on here. I hope you guys know that.
So whoever jump in, say your final thoughts man.
Well, hey, this is this is Alan.And I just want to say, hey,
I've been this is my 27th year and professional wrestling, and
I've said this a couple times before and I've had two locker

(54:58):
rooms that I considered familiesin this 27 years.
One was at Power Pro. I became real close to a lot of
those guys and like like brothers for real.
Something with some of them, youknow, some, you know, like
family, some drift away and you know, we still chat here and
there, but this TCW locker room was just like a family to me.

(55:23):
It was, I couldn't tell you the excitement that I would feel
like the week of like leading into the TCW events, I would be
so like jazzed up. And me personally, never, never
been a drinker, never done drugs, but I was on such a high
on adrenaline and, and just passion.

(55:47):
And the crazy thing was I was surrounded by hell 20 other guys
who had the same thing going foryou know, So this was refreshing
has been said a few times. This is refreshing.
This was rewarding. And, and everybody on this call,
man, you know, love you like a brother.

(56:11):
Wolfie I I still owe you a receipt and I was just joking
but but. Hey, unless you drive up to my
house, knock on my door and punch me in the nose, you ain't
gonna get a chance because I ain't wrestling.
Well, it'll be hard to do for menow too, because I'm not much
either. But no, seriously, I appreciate,

(56:31):
you know, Wolfie, you having me on here.
It's good to hear the voices of some of these guys.
You know, I, I, I chat well, like text message or not
message, but in inbox with, withGolden Boy every blue moon, you
know, he'll shoot me. He checked on me.
I had a health issue not that long ago when he would check on
me and stuff. And I appreciate that those

(56:52):
things. Killer Nichols, you know, known
him since kind of day one of hisstart.
Love him. There's nobody in here that you
know, of course I'm the prick who likes to rib and joke a lot.
So I might rub you the wrong way, but it's all out of love.
And I just, you know, I'll get long winded on this, but I can

(57:14):
feel myself starting to miss this, you know, because I have a
lot, lot, lot less matches aheadof me than I do behind me.
And this camaraderie and doing things like this podcast,
Wolfie, it means a lot to to me because I'm, I'm not very active
and I could be just inactive. Totally.
But just being around you guys, even though we're, we're

(57:37):
everybody's at their own homes or whatever it, it, it hits me
in the heart real hard and real strong.
So I appreciate it and I love you guys and hopefully we'll get
to see each other again. Yeah.
Thanks, Alan. Hey, Gary here, man.
Yeah, I'm just going to keep mine short, man.
There's a lot of pricks in this business, but I got to work
everybody that's on this podcastright now, and I got mad respect

(58:00):
for all of you. Love you all, man.
Thank you. Thanks, Gary.
Yeah, I'll go. I'll go.
Yeah. Killer.
Yeah. First man.
Thanks, Wolfie, for having me onhere.
Thanks for working with me like you did in my early stages.
And thanks for working with me and the middle stages when we,

(58:23):
you know, I was just thinking, you know, it's kind of
appropriate, I feel like to talkabout Brian Christopher on this
day. There is a.
Those those times in Memphis when I was working with you and
Brian Christopher and, you know,in Midtown and in those places,
you know, got really it, it, it did a lot for me, you know, you

(58:46):
know, just in many ways. Were you?
Were you Eric's partner that night that I beat the fuck out
of him? Yeah.
Oh, yeah. You know, I was.
Yeah, yeah, I remember. I remember that.
Did he, did he lock up with you and say what you got?
No, the motherfucker. He gave you like one of those

(59:07):
like flippers he would do to theface.
And. Like real good.
And I remember that because I remember when we got to the back
or we was on the way home or something and he was like, you
said something about I was like,Eric, I've been telling you, you
got to learn how to work your strikes, you know, because I I
had no problem popping him back either.

(59:28):
And I'm like, you know, it's notjust going to be me that's going
to pop you back, you know, and whether somebody like your
friend, like that's just what happens.
That's why we work. That's why we train, you know?
Yeah, I remember. You know who the referee was,
You know who the referee was on that match.
No, you don't remember because he's the one that brought it up
to me. Because I I didn't remember it.

(59:49):
Jerry Calhoun was the referee. Yeah, Yeah.
Yes, yes, yes, he. Was and we had him on the show
and he's like, woofie, I remember that night you beat the
hell out of Eric Wayne and I waslike, or he couldn't remember
his name. That's what it was.
He he couldn't remember who it was.
And then it, then it came back up and then I recalled it.
And I'll tell you why I did it, man, because.
Because in the pick the trunks. Because no, that motherfucker,

(01:00:13):
he hit me so hard that and he, he threw a left that ended up on
the opposite side of my face. So first of all, he didn't hit
me in the right spot. The point of his elbow, my nose
was bleeding. It literally crossed my eyes.
I was seeing double. But I, I, I didn't fucking go
down. By God, I didn't go down and my

(01:00:33):
teeth on that side of my face was numb for like, I don't know,
two weeks or something. But anyway, what pissed me off
the most, I could, I could have took that, right?
I could have took that. But when we got to the back, he
was nowhere to be found. Not I'm sorry.
Are you OK? Not nothing.
He never spoke to me. And then we got in that battle
royal and yeah, that's when I got my receipt back.

(01:00:55):
And the funniest thing in the world and all.
Y'all know Lawler well enough toknow how funny this is.
And you know you don't go down in a battle royal.
Well, I had that motherfucker down on the ground choking the
shit out of him and we're in themiddle of the ring and Lawler
walks by and under his breath hegoes.
What the y'all doing? He didn't know what the deal

(01:01:16):
was, but yeah. I remember, I remember after I
remember you talking to me in the back, you're like, hey, man,
you know nothing against you. And so I was like, hey, man.
Yeah, yeah, I trained with him. I get it.
I'm straight, but yeah, yeah, I appreciate you, man.
Like what you pass on to me. I got AI got a wrestling gym

(01:01:37):
here where I live and and look very specific things that you
that I learned from you. I've passed that along to guys I
work with, guys I train and I I really thank you for it.
It's got a lot for me. Everybody in this group here,
I've worked with some more than others, you know, but each one

(01:01:59):
of them, it's it's been fantastic.
You know, Golden Boy, you know, Gary Graham, Alan Steele, we've
had a billion matches and John Sacks and I know we had one
match, but man, that was a fantastic time.
You know, it was a good one. Oh, it was great.
It was great. And it was like one that like,
oh, man, like that time, like, you know, I don't know, I felt

(01:02:21):
like kind of it was kind of, youknow, something I was doing was
kind of stale. I was, you know, I thought I was
going through the motions, but Ineeded someone to come in and
like, not hold back and let's just fucking go.
And and, you know, and you were that guy and it was great.
I remember that problem, what you talked about.
You were like, well, I'm the lunatic you're looking for.
And I tell like, Oh, yeah, this is fucking right on, you know,

(01:02:45):
as far as Matt Riviera. And I'm sure he's going to
listen to this. You know, I love Matt Riviera
and I'm so thankful for just thestage he gave all of us, you
know, this because, you know, coming away from this, you know,
you look around, you're like, man, that doesn't just happen
all the time, you know, something like that.

(01:03:05):
And what it was and however longit was, it really feels like it
was probably longer than what itreally was.
And it was really special, all the guys we got to work with,
then all the guys we got to be around.
And you know, from the legends we talked about and to just us,
you know, guys that maybe nobodyeven knows but you know, like

(01:03:26):
it. Just this group here, like you
could easily book a badass show anywhere and it just kick ass.
And yeah, I just really thankfulto have that stage.
And I'll just even know you guys.
And thank you for including me in this conversation with you.
I appreciate you. Absolutely, brother.
I think it's John. Man, you know, listening to Alan

(01:03:46):
talk, bro, I'm a little emotional myself, man.
You know, TTW and like you said,it was a great time.
It was, it was an incredible journey.
There's so much more to the story.
You know, we, man, we've knockedout two hours and I can think of
some of the other just small things, ribs, fun stuff.
Yeah, man, it's funny. I, I, Greg bringing up Danny

(01:04:10):
Hodge and and and Akbar, you know, man, those are two of my
mentors. So I mean, I came up through the
business with Akbar. Hell, I got a picture.
Danny Hodge choked me unconscious.
I mean, legitimately, and I mean, brother, wow.
And he was in his 70s when he did that.
And he put me out in about a second.
So, but here's the thing, you know, the stigma of being the

(01:04:35):
Southern, the Southern guy is soreal.
And it's so funny because my first night at TNAI went out
there in A tag match. And brother, I don't mind
telling you we lit it up and andI was working with Simon Diamond
and Johnny Swinger and they comein the back and like Jesus
Christ, where did you come from?South.
And they said no swingers like I'm from the South.

(01:04:56):
I said no, you're from Georgia, brother, I'm from the South.
Okay, way down there to shit y'all you know Bill watch
territory and what what TCW did was it gave a couple of the guys
from that territory where trust me, unless you move to Texas,
you were no man's land, Louisiana, Mississippi, pan

(01:05:18):
hella Florida. It was just brutal, brutal for
us. We couldn't give.
I used to always tell people youcan't get paroled out of the
South. That's Bob Holly was the last
guy that got a deal out of the South.
That tells you how long ago it was.
And you know, people bring up Rodney Mack and Jazz and I'm
like, no, no, no, they were in Dallas when they got signed.

(01:05:38):
They had left and went to. But I saw that stigmatism a lot
and and I appreciate Greg mentioned in that because you
know, even in the Nashville, Memphis area, different
territory, man. I mean, you had TV, you had some
guys doing a lot of spot shows. So when TCW came around and gave
me and Steve Anthony and we didn't really talk about him

(01:06:01):
much and and he's about as good in the.
Oh man, Steve was great. Man, he's my bro, man.
And, and I'm going to tell you man, that guy was is just, he's
still doing it. He just came back, started to
touch the base again. It looks like $1,000,000.
Wow. Bordell, the other guy we didn't
even mention. Love Bordell.
'S great. You know, Bordell lives about 30
minutes from me now. We've been personal friends for

(01:06:21):
many, many years. I mean, I straight up I, I feel
like Alan's like, man, this is kind of killing me because when
I got out of ref and when I walked away, I wouldn't even
answer my phone for a few years.I wouldn't talk to anybody
because I knew I couldn't break away from it.
And Wolfie, I, you know, I don'tknow why me and you hit it off
to me. You were like a brother that I

(01:06:42):
just hadn't seen in 20 years when we met, you know, you know,
this is the coolest Rico suave motherfucker right here.
This this, this guy's real. And.
In a world of bullshit artists, you know, and storytellers, it's
hard to find somebody that's real.
And, and those guys are the oneswho suffer in our business, the

(01:07:02):
guys who don't play the politicsand speak our minds.
You know, a lot of times we losework because of just being who
we are. And but I will say this much,
much love of respect to all the guys on this podcast, Man, this
has just been just phenomenal for me because I'm I'm kind of a
hermit now. I don't I don't get out much,
you know, and Alan Steele, man, you know, Alan, one of the

(01:07:25):
nicest guys ever met in this business was I was always
thrilled to see him. Greg Anthony, bro, he's the you
know, Greg, I'm going to say this dude, you're the hand up
Mona Lisa skirt son. You're the guy they don't see
coming. What the hell you going to do
with that guy? And then I saw him work.
I'm like, holy shit, OK, never mind.
You know, brother, you are a phenomenal talent.

(01:07:47):
There's no doubt about it. Killer Nickel.
Why Vince and them didn't pay you Big Brother, I don't even
know. I don't I don't know why that
didn't work out because to me, you were a star.
You were going to be a star. And I I believe that from the
first I worked with you. I said, man, I told Ken Wayne
that. I said, dude, the Fed will find
him, son. He's everything that pro
wrestling should be. And that was our conversation I

(01:08:07):
had with Ken after the match. I said damn this kid and he
ain't scared that son of a bitchand bring it.
And I love that, you know, so, you know, much love to Matt.
I hope Matt, I hope Matt understands how much all all of
us appreciated him and I think he does.
I love Matt to death. Like I said, he did some
personal stuff for me that he did not have to do, and that was

(01:08:29):
just phenomenal and you know. I've been in the game a long.
Long time and I've dealt with the con artist, the
carpetbaggers, the bullshit thatyou know, the guys been on top
that'll lie to you every three seconds.
And I will say this, in TCW we were all on the same team.
I felt like everybody would go out there and lay down for
anybody because it was for the of the group.

(01:08:52):
And you don't find that in the rest of the business.
You don't find that OK, it is. I tell Young this business is
shameless self promotion. That's what it is.
But every once in a while, you get a group, you get that
situation where everybody's out there and it's like, hey, we all
respect each other. Everybody would do the job for
anybody. And I got news.

(01:09:14):
I got news for Alan. Alan Steele.
Yeah. You may not have been somebody's
Jerry Lawler or John Cena brother, but you were damn sure
somebody's Arne Anderson. Very nice.
I've never. I've never seen you have a bad
match, son. Ever big.
I appreciate that. Yeah.
You know. Thank you very much.
I'm going to do this publicly because I feel like I need to.

(01:09:35):
I'm going to shout to Tim Storm and I hope Tim sees this because
we could have done an hour just on Tim and the type of guy he
is. My understanding is Tim's the
one who got me hired there. He went out of his way to Matt
said, look, this is the guy unique.
And he never would admit to thatwhen I asked him, but I can see
the look on his face and and if it wasn't for Tim, I don't think
I'd have been there. So you know, for everybody that

(01:09:57):
contributed, y'all contributed to my life personally, man.
I can't thank y'all enough. I appreciate everything
everybody ever did at TCW, man and I don't think what we need
to talk about is how close it was to going really huge, man.
I'll tell y'all what y'all didn't know man.
I had AI had an initial setup meeting with Tiger Atori from

(01:10:18):
New Japan, bro and Matt. Matt had given me the thumbs up
on it yes and they were looking and I went to him.
I said they are looking for in American market and
unfortunately it just the boat kind of went down before we
could ever really get that into motion because I would have
loved to have seen that happen for some of our guys.
You know, but. Wolfie, what can I say bro?

(01:10:42):
I mean, I just talked to you four days and never run out of
material and I know you're rightpersonally tell you I love y'all
brother, I love you. Thanks for having me on.
If there's anything I'm digging this.
I've had 100 people tell me I need a podcast, but I don't
think anybody wants to hear whatI got to say.
I have enjoyed this to the umpteenth degree and I got a

(01:11:03):
million more stories. So brother, if you need
anything, you know hit me up anytime.
Bro absolutely John, thank you for coming on.
Oh yeah. Golden Boy, one more time.
Yeah, brother. Well, first of all, you know why
you beat the fuck out of there, don't you?
Yeah. You know, it was, it was, it was
a generational receipt. You were getting them back for

(01:11:24):
Ken all those years ago, is what?
It was Ken and Ken and Buddy. Ken and Buddy, there you go.
But yeah, it's the same thing Saxon was saying.
You know, he kind of hit the nail.
I've always called myself like the Susan Boyle of wrestling.
I don't know if you guys remember her when she went, you
know, American Idol or whatever it was that time and no one

(01:11:45):
thought she could no one thoughtshe could sing and all of a
sudden she's the greatest opera singer in the world.
You know, I kind of felt that was part of my stick.
Like who is this guy coming out here?
By the time I got on the microphone, started wrestling,
they're like, oh, well, shit, I guess he can do this.
I I really, I love everyone in this in this in this interview
too. I mean, like heavenly, I
started, I was there pretty muchwhen he started too.

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And like even a year in, year and a half in, he was cutting
promos that would give me goosebumps.
And I knew like he could do thaton a national level.
And I really was hoping he'd getan opportunity.
He was, he'll have to tell you the story sometime, but I think
he was, he was a hair away from being part of the Wyatt family,
which would have changed his life, you know, and you know,
Saxon, when we were at TCW together, I, you know, I used to

(01:12:28):
rhythm a little bit about his age, you know, because he wasn't
like he said he was 50 years old, but he was going man.
And like I was kind of looked athim as kind of like our Nick
Bokwinkle kind of thing because Bokwinkle was 4550 years old too
when he was having an hour Broadway's with with Curt Henny
and stuff like that. And he was he was taking guys to
the next level. He's talking about him cave
carrying him. I think it was the other way
around sometimes because Saxon could go no matter what age he

(01:12:50):
is, probably probably goes better than 99% of the guys
right now. Allen, same way.
Allen, you know, he started a couple years before me, but I've
always kind of looked up to him to me and him, you know, we,
we've always kind of been on that same level.
We always liked all the old school stuff.
And for us being too quote UN quote Memphis area guys to be
able to get that opportunity with TCW and like a national

(01:13:11):
kind of thing, it really it really boosted our confidence
and, and what we could do. And like he said, he was jazzed
up all week, you know, ready forTCWI was the same way man I was.
I was ready to go. Gary, you know, me and Gary, you
know, we worked each other 1000 times.
You know, he's one of the nicestguys there is.
We got booked in a ladder match a couple years ago and on paper
that doesn't sound like fun for either one of us, but we went

(01:13:33):
out and tore the house down and the Commission almost shut the
showdown and all kinds of stuff.But that's the way the wrestling
business goes, right? But you know, Wolfie, of course,
you know, you were a huge part of CCW.
The tag division was because tagteam wrestling at the time, you
know, was not really a focal point in national professional
wrestling. And you know, with you kind of,

(01:13:55):
you know, helping lead that, youknow, you made it 1 focal point
of our company was that was a huge part of our success.
You know, you took that years ofexperience, you helped Gary, you
helped genetic. We put all that together and you
know, you guys created magic on more than one occasion.
You know, CTW was CTW was just it was like we talked about top
to bottom. You know, it was, it was some of

(01:14:17):
the best wrestlers in the South showing that we were the best
wrestlers in the world, you know, and Riviera was a great
boss. You know, I was, I've been
wrestling eight or nine years when I by the time I got to
Riviera, you know, I've done that stuff with Bobby and I was
pretty polished by the time I got there.
But man, he, he took every, he takes everything to the next
level, you know, I mean, and he took me to the next level.

(01:14:40):
And like I said, he's helped me be able to do what I do now to
where I don't have to go punch someone else's clock and go
stack boxes for a living. I I'm a professional wrestling
promoter and and wrestler for a living because of the
opportunities to afford to me and I'll never be able to repay
him for something like that. But it all started with ECW.
Yeah. That's awesome.

(01:15:01):
Well, thank you Greg and thank you everybody.
That was great. Closing, closing arguments
there. That was great.
So yeah, man, again, I just wantto say to each and everyone of
you, thank you. Y'all know what you mean to me I
hope or or you know like I said,I wouldn't, I wouldn't have
asked you guys to do this with me and it's a first for me and

(01:15:23):
Jimmy, I think this is Jimmy. I don't know about you, but I
think this has exceeded my expectations of what this was
going to be. Oh yeah, 100%.
I I mean, and how dare I say, I think it's opened the door for
five solo shows myself. You.
Know. So.
Damn good. And to Matt Riviera, if you're
listening, I also would like to say thank you.

(01:15:45):
You know, I don't think I've talked to Matt since Wolfie Mode
hit him in the face, but I apologize for Wolfie Mode.
But you are in good company because I've done it to the best
of them. I totally apologize for that.
It happens, man, it happens. But yeah, thank you, guys.

(01:16:06):
Thank you to to the listeners. I hope you've enjoyed this and
then we'll know by the numbers how much you enjoyed it.
So we're going to we're going toclose this one up man, and Jenny
will come back with ass Wolfie Danything.
Yeah, and if you're not in Cameroon or Africa or wherever,
go look on YouTube some great TCW wrestling action.

(01:16:27):
Highly recommend it. You will not I've I've been
entertained the past week and a half so.
And I ain't gonna lie, man, I'llsay this, man.
I had some of my, I'm talking about some of the best matches
that I've had my whole career. Now, I've had some good ones in
it, but some of them were in TCW, some matches that I look at
and go, that shit was good. And you know who my partner was

(01:16:47):
was Gary. So I I can say Gary, me and you
had some damn good matches and one that comes to mind that I
think was really, really damn good was that one we had with
the twins. You remember that?
10 The Tate twins The Tate twins.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Damn good match.
Damn good, man. Cool.
So a lot of good stuff went downthere, but everybody said it and

(01:17:08):
we, I guess, you know, we can say it till we're blue in the
face, but it's fucking true. It was good stuff.
Thanks, Matt and I. This is my apology to Matt by by
promoting his shit on my show. So all right guys, everybody
have a good evening. We'll be right back after this.
Thanks guys, y'all are awesome. That was great guys.

(01:17:30):
I appreciate that. Thank you.
Thank you guys. Take care very much.
That went well. All right, DJ, hit the music.

(01:18:00):
All right, we are back with Ask Wolfie D Anything from Part 2 of
Talking TCW? Man oh man, that is just I I've
really enjoyed these past two episodes.
Man, yeah. And you see the camaraderie
there, man, that that was, everybody was speaking from the
heart, man. And everybody appreciate each
other. You know, is is is a cool place

(01:18:22):
man. Five dudes from all walks of
life. All all they had was tying
together was TCW wrestling and Imean, dude, it was some of the
premier talent in the area in the premier promotion.
So I'm very glad we did this. You know, hopefully we'll do
more of these with more of the, you know, more of the TCW guys,
man, So very cool. So we do have some more
questions here today for Ask Wolfie.

(01:18:45):
And so the very first one is from Johnny Davis on Facebook
and he asked this question. He says.
How many times did you work Big Pete?
26. 26 that's pretty good. That's pretty good recall.
Do not know quite a few times. I mean, he ever put me over.

(01:19:07):
Did he not? That's not cool.
Even after everything. Or was this all before?
I can't. I don't know if I ever worked in
like once I established my a name, you know what I mean?
Yeah, right. Okay, gotcha.
So this is all Airwolf in the medic stuff?
Airwolf record was not as good as Wolfies.

(01:19:28):
Yeah, yeah. Big Pete, man, you know your
stepdad, Yeah. It's, it's crazy.
It's it's funny because Rick Reynolds told me a story.
He said, you know, Rick, you know, Pete would claim a lot of
things, right? Not say anything negative about
him, you know, but he would claim a few things.
And he said Rick said that when he asked him to give him the

(01:19:48):
wrestlers handshake and it wasn't correct.
He knew that he didn't had maybenot live the life that he had
said so, but you know. Remember we was talking about
that. Yeah, talk about that on the
show. Or was.
Being that was yeah, yeah. Yeah, the lamp handshake is not

(01:20:08):
a thing, guys. Okay, stop it.
So technically, technically, Rick, what's wrong?
I love Rick, you don't love me. That's he says it the opposite
way. I don't know we got to get y'all
2 together on that so well, thank you for that question
Johnny. We definitely appreciate that
and rest in peace, Big Pete man for sure.

(01:20:31):
So. You know, Rick's on my
documentary. Yeah.
He is. He is the.
Dumb fuck made Yeah, he's all mytapes, motherfucker.
That guy. So, yeah.
All right. Yeah.
The next one is from Neil Adam Lee on Facebook.
He's one of my, you know, Mecklenburg County homies, North

(01:20:51):
Carolina guy, You know, good to hear from you, Neil, He says.
What's your relationship like with Cornett?
Any great stories of his blowinghis top off on talent that
you've witnessed? I've seen him blow his top.
I really can't think of specificmoments and I mean I've seen it
more than once working OVW and other shit too I mean.

(01:21:16):
But I don't think Janet made it there so he didn't have to do it
to his face I don't think. I don't remember but I had a
great relationship with Cornett man.
Although I don't know if he holds a grudge with me for the
way things ended at OVW. You know, Wolfy mode, funny, we

(01:21:39):
just talked about that, but I don't know, honestly.
But I mean, hell, he got us our job in the nation.
You know, he's always liked me and Jamie as a team.
And I stayed at his house every week that I went up there.
You know, I've talked about that, that I was, you know,

(01:22:00):
already had the PG13 run and I switched to Slash.
He gave me a place to to developit.
And we only had one car and I took a Greyhound bus from
Nashville to Louisville every fucking Wednesday.
And stayed at his house that night.
And then my wife would drive up and pick me up on Thursday.

(01:22:22):
So I'd say that's a pretty good relationship.
You know, we'd watch a lot of wrestling tapes and all that.
And, you know, hang out and I even there's, there's a few
times where he'd asked me shit about TV, you know, if I had any
ideas things. So I mean, he listened to me on

(01:22:42):
some of it if he asked, you know, so I can say I, I think
that's a pretty good relationship that he trusted me
to come up with shit for DV. Yeah, no doubt.
Especially, you know, to think that you, Jim Cornett's running
low on ideas and, you know, he trusts you enough to ask you
that, that that's a good relationship in my opinion.
I don't, you know, I don't know how else you would draw that.

(01:23:03):
But anyway, yeah. Well, much love for you,
Cornett. And can we get a mention on your
podcast, Godfather, please? Actually, I think I went up on
Tuesdays and I don't remember anyway.
One of those days, but I'm sure those are fun times, man, for
sure. So OK, so the 3rd and final

(01:23:25):
question on this TCW Part 2 episode is from Brad Friedland
on Facebook. And Brad asks this one great
question, asker that he is. It says when USWA closed and
Power Pro opened, was there still a developmental deal with
WWE? And if so, was there any talk

(01:23:46):
about you going to New York as asenior?
Not really. From that end, my talks were
OEW, yeah, yeah, yeah, Slash. I mean Slash did Dark matches
more than one and some televisedsyndicated shows Jacked and.
Velocity. No, I think metal, I think was.

(01:24:07):
One metal. OK, they named.
Yeah, I get it. Yeah.
Slash did a few of those and yeah, it was definitely talks to
that but few mode which. You know, Wolfie mode is
something that even I have witnessed.
Experienced. It I mean anyone I think that it

(01:24:27):
becomes close to you eventually will understand what wolfie mode
is. And man, I tell you sometimes
no, I'm just kidding. Wolfie mode has not showed
wolfie mode in a really long time so I'm not even tripping
about that, but yeah yeah. But anyway you know the point
about the deal is is is so powerpro was after USWA so it you OVW

(01:24:52):
you know, was further on down the line.
So that's kind of when you got back into possible singles looks
I. Was in Power Pro then I had that
wreck right where the rollover crash and all that and so I was
out for that for a minute and that's when I came up with slash

(01:25:12):
yeah and, and it was after that wreck and then I yeah, I did go
to Power Pro and they had guys there, Steve Bradley and some
other ones that. Kurt Angle.
I mean, you know. Yeah, Kurt Angle came there.
Yeah. And I worked him all the time.
So I don't think there was any talks for me then.
But then once I got with Cornettand everything, that's then the

(01:25:35):
talks did start. And I mean, it's not wasn't a
rumor is Jim Ross straight to myface.
He'd come down to OVW to to watch a show and we were
standing right in the middle of the ring before the show and he
said we're looking at you again.I don't know.
Don't do it, Jim Ross very well,but he just said we're looking
at you again. He said don't fear foot.

(01:25:58):
Don't do yourself in the foot and you know.
Bullfit we're looking at you don't.
Yeah, I'm not going to do that any further, but by God anyway.
Jason Sensation or whatever his name is.
Oh my God, we want him on the show.
So tell him somebody, you know, send a, send an e-mail to Canada

(01:26:21):
for somebody. Yeah.
But seriously, to Tim Storm, we're very, I mean, we want Tim.
We want Matt. I mean, you know, Jason Kincaid,
the heat seekers. Sigma, definitely, definitely.
I mean, we, you know, it's plunk, we could get plunk in
Flint on next one. You know, there's a ton of

(01:26:43):
opportunities there that we can continue this conversation.
So I'm excited about the future.Talking more TCW, but man, I I
really wish that I was Boyd Bradford.
No, he was great, man. He I really, I've watched his
stuff and you know, a lot of. Yeah, it was.

(01:27:04):
And I love the voice he did and but I was jealous of that.
And it's not necessarily to to manage you.
It was just I love the I love that they were using a heel
manager. That's the other thing.
So anyway, well, that's all I got.
Yeah, yeah, man. So TuneIn next week, I don't

(01:27:25):
know what we're doing next week because I'm going to be in
Myrtle Beach, but we'll figure it out.
Yeah, we'll have fun, brother. Yeah, I'll TuneIn next week.
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Episode. Hey Wolfie, tell them where they
can find you on social media. Jimmy.
They can find me in the club bottle full above.
I'm just kidding. They can find me on Facebook.
My personal page is Warren Wolf W LFE.
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Get those photos right, Wolfie? Yeah, I've got some good stuff
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Oh boy, they came out sagging. Not bragging.
Don't be hating because you're spitting the truth.
Still loving in color from Russia.
Mother. Utilize a hubcap.
Back in the day I was in OD and I was paid to the Jeep.
Was the one in, the three in. Case you forgot they called me
Whoopi cloned and copied so manytimes that a suck is taking

(01:32:40):
credit for what is you know who you are without me name dropping
Ray's first white boy coming outhip hop been doing it like this
since 92 late love for a while and you thought I was three
listen real come students drops it out and check their this
shit's so sick it makes your ears get infected mad skills No

(01:33:00):
taking that there's no one drinkbecause you bringing more I'm
here to play games you don't like me So what I really don't
care every time I keep. Ticking in I can't be stopped,
You set. Your step to the side.
Unless you want to get drunk. When I'm finished, I'm straight
knocking you out. Please allow me to tell you what

(01:33:21):
it's all about. I'm going to wind it up and I'm
driving it home. That's what you do, baby.
Huh. I got a cap for your Dome.
I got a cap for. Your Dome.
You got a cap for your Dome? This has been a James Rock St.

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