Tommy Angel on GMBMPW!

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Hey, this is Tommy Angel. You're listening to Give Me Back
My Pro Wrestling. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to
Give Me Back My Pro Wrestling. Hello, Sir.

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Don't know. Now you know.
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mother. The Plastic Sheet Jared St.

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What's up Sheik, how you doing today?
I'm good brother, how about yourself?
And just doing the thing over here, you know how it is taking
care of business or something like that.
You're taking care of business. Yeah.
I think it should be a song or something.
I think so. I think maybe Bachman Turner
Overdrive should do that. I think sounds like something

(01:25):
they would do, you know, So maybe we got a cool show today,
right? Tommy Angel, Right, dude?
Been there, done that. When you when you hear those
words, that's this guy. Yeah, so, so I just want to kind
of tell the story. So obviously, you know, it's
very cool that we got him, but it was not a direct connection
that we normally have. As some of the listeners may or

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may not know, I've been doing federal grand jury all year down
here in North Carolina for the western part of the state.
So when it comes down to it, I've been doing this federal
grand jury and, you know, you develop somewhat friendships,
even though we really don't knoweach other with the other jury
members, you develop some types of friendships there.
And so one of the guys that I'vebecome, I'm friends with Brian,

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and Brian's a good dude. So on my phone case, I have the
Give Me Back my Pro Wrestling podcast sticker.
And I had my phone turned over and he could see the sticker.
And, you know, this has been 8-9months into it.
And he says, hey, you like pro wrestling?
And I'm like, I love pro wrestling.
Yeah, you would almost say I have a problem, you know?
And so he says, well, I know Tommy Angel.

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And I'm like Tommy Angel, wait asecond, hold on.
You know who Tommy Angel is? Well, anyway, he says, yeah, I
know him. I'm, you know, I'm buddies with
him. And, and so Long story short, he
got me in contact with Tommy by doing this.
He sent Tommy a link. Tommy became a member of the
group of the GMBMPW podcast group on Facebook.

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And so I sent him a message and I said, hey, man, how can we get
Tommy Angel on a podcast? And this is how we did it.
So anyway, thank you so much to Brian for hooking that up.
Famous Brian, as famous Brown asthe pastor calls him.
And anyway, so Long story short,thanks Brian for that.
It's very cool. And and we now have Tommy Angel
on the episode. Man, so very cool.

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Yeah, man, I can't wait for it. I know he's going to have just
tons to tell us and you know, you know, we got our notes, but
I'm sure that's not enough for for his career.
Yeah, and I'm thinking it's going to be a little different
format than the normal episode. We're definitely going to have
to get the name game going a little bit sooner than normal.
But you know, listeners just stick with us as we go.

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We definitely appreciate y'all as always.
But so to kind of do some business here.
One of the things we just did, obviously our previous episode,
but Derek Neal, y'all turned outfor that one.
Thank you so much. We really enjoyed having Derek
on. Derek's a road warrior, man.
He's he's one of those guys that's out there doing it and I
think he's wrestled probably 20 Times Now after being on our

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show. So I mean, he's he's a good dude
and I was really happy with thatepisode.
What did you think she. Oh yeah, man, he's a great guy.
It's good to hear from somebody that's, you know, still still
doing it and, and still, still, still making it, man.
Yeah, had some great stories. Always been a big fan of Derek.
We've clicked on the Reds thing and, you know, after that we we

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seem to have a kinship with one another.
That was really cool. And he was always cool to me in
the back and, and I feel like heprobably thought the same of me.
And, and anyway, I'm glad we gothim on the show.
But Speaking of podcasts, I I think you said you've watched it
already, but if you haven't by now heard enough of me talking
and you haven't already watched it or listened to it.

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I was recently on the Jackson Interaction podcast with Jean
Jackson, our good buddy, so thatwas cool.
Yeah, man, it's a good listen you.
Thank you. Check it out.
Yeah, it was a lot of fun. It was really different to be
interviewed though, you know what I mean?
Yeah, you put me over a little bit.
I appreciate. That I tried brother, I tried
you know how it is but anyway it's on the main event comedy

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YouTube channel it's also on themain event comedy podcast feed.
So if you download it through the normal podcast apps or you
want to watch it on YouTube, it's on there and I had a blast
man so y'all go check that out it's on the Jackson interaction
podcast with Gene Jackson genes,a great dude and great friend of
the show. We had a fun time with him

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watching Thunder in paradise. We made him do that.
We're horrible, right? So.
We'll make him do something elsedown the road too.
Yeah, I'm thinking bigger thingstoo with him too.
We're going to have some fun with him.
I think we'll definitely watch some more movies and maybe we'll
we'll even venture outside of wrestling a little bit on those
movies. I don't know, we'll see.
But anyway, lots of fun with Gene.

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Had a lot of fun, you know, doing that and really was just
he he was a gracious host and and definitely, you know,
definitely appreciated him having me on the show to be able
to put over our shows. So lots of fun with that.
Yeah, absolutely. Well, enough of putting myself
over. I think let's get Tommy Angel on
the show and I, I think we'll have a great conversation.

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So let's not take away from that.
Let's go ahead and get the man on the show right now.
Let's do. It all right, we'll be right
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very special guest today. And Jared, I tell you, I'm as
excited as ever for this guest to be on the show today.
I was thinking I was like this. This gentleman actually is part
of my fandom, our fandom of wrestling.
He wrestled everyone that we love and some that we didn't
like. Jared, I'm I'm stoked about this
guy. What about you?

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Yeah, man. You talk about been there, done
that. That's that's this guy right
here. Man Yeah, well, let's not let
him wait too long. Let's introduce Mr. Tommy.
Angel. Tommy, thank you so much for
coming on the show today. Fellas, I appreciate you having
me on. Yeah, we, we, we were stoked.
And I tell you, I do so much research and everything to get
the right show and to get great questions and I I had to use

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more than one page. So you should feel very good
about that. And so so, yeah.
Awesome. So we always start off every
episode with the plastic sheiks.Favorite question.
Hit it, Sheik. All right, Tommy, so this is a
question that kind of let everybody know like your
influences or who you or who youhad like, you know, maybe good

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matches with or something like that.
But if you had like a Mount Rushmore of wrestlers that
either influence you or you're just a big fan of or just you
love their work, give us like your top four or five guys.
Yeah, that's a that's a tough one to pinpoint down there.
There's so many. Obviously the influence for me
just to get me interested in thebusiness.

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I was in the military at the time and we'd watch wrestling on
weekends. We it was a world class
wrestling with the Von Erichs and we also see Hogan on the
other networks. So those those are that's what
intrigued me about getting into business.
Just those two guys, Carrie Von Erich and Hogan, but just I was

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deciding if I want to get out ofthe military or, or stay in and
wrestling with it. So I just through Gene League
and another guy from the same era I was we we met him down in
Fayetteville to Cumberland County Arena and like, hey,
there's a wrestling school getting ready to open up that
N.W.A is going to do. And we're connected to dots made
some calls and you know, four months later, we're on

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television. But the, the the camp is right
there in Mooresville and it was with Nelson Royal and Gene
Anderson. We had to try out with a 20 some
guys. But so working out with Nelson
and Gene, those two guys obviously influenced me the most
because Gene was a heel, Nelson was a babyface.
So you got the best of both worlds training, use the
psychology of the business. So I'd say Nelson and Gene for

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sure. Working wise, Barry Windham and
Curt Henning, I'd probably had the best matches with my my
career working with them guys. I work with them many times in
house shows and TV and just justgreat guys and they always gave
me a lot because they trust me. So it made me look like
$1,000,000. Yeah, yeah, that's incredible.

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Wow. Yeah.
I mean, that's that's yeah. That's the Mount Rushmore of
Mount Rushmore's right there. So.
We haven't, we haven't heard enough of any of those guys,
honestly. You know, obviously we've heard
a lot of Hogan, but you know, such good Curt Henning.
I mean, they so, so underrated. I think in in his time after,

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you know, when, when he was in the WWF and everything like
that. You know, a lot of people
remember his later stuff, but you know he was working for a
good while before that too, so. Yeah, so I remember seeing him
in the AWA and just a, just a great heel.
He was. He just betrayed that smug,
arrogant guy and fans hated him and I loved him.
Yeah, that's so good. You know, I noticed a lot of

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second generation stars on that list as well, you know, so
that's that tells you a lot. You know, a guy that did it like
you did it and you're noticing the talents and and stuff of
these guys. I mean, you know, to me, I I
don't know, it's a great list and and definitely some of those
guys we do not hear or talk about enough.
So that was a very appreciative.So my I always pivot to this

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question. So now we're back to Tommy
Angel. So Tommy, talk about your
younger days, like where were you born?
Talk about maybe like your high school.
Did you play sports? Talk about the younger days of
Tommy Angel. Sure.
My dad was in the Marine Corps, so I'm a Marine Corps brat.
I was born in Camp Lejeune, NC, but as a Marine officer, he he
was transferred a lot. So we, we lived in the

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Philippines, California, and Northern Virginia.
My parents are from Massachusetts, so we, our, our
summers are spent up in Massachusetts.
But I finished high school in Northern Virginia.
Woodbridge didn't play sports. My dad wouldn't live because my
grades sucked. And then now that I have a son
in high school, I understand thereasoning behind it.

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But I was always a good athlete and but I I wanted to go into
the military to get out of my, my house.
My father and I didn't have really good relationships.
So I went in the 82nd Airborne. It's Fort Bragg for four years,
you know, paratroopers jumping on planes and I met some guys at
the gym that were just huge. I'm like you guys are I've been
I've been working out for a while.
I can't gain any size. And then they gave me let me

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know on the secret. It was all steroids and and
start doing those. We watched the matches on the
weekends. I've been happy a cool job to
get into wrestling. You know how and we go down in
the Cumber County Arena there inFayetteville and and watch the
matches and Tom and you know, I was I was already about 265
already, but had that Marine airborne haircut, short hair.

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So they just thought we were just some not heads from the
base. And you know, we're yelling I'm
shut up, I'll kick your ass. But finally Don Cornoodle and
Gene League and they were alwayshang out.
We were in baby face side. Maybe they said if you really
wanted to try it, you'll get your ass kicked.
I said I doubt it, but I still want to try.
Yeah, 21 years old and cocky andsmall.

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Get out. So they finally lined us up with
the school and we went and triedout.
We had to drive in from Fayetteville to Mooresville and
Nelson's Ranch and behind. There's just nothing back then
in 1986, just a lot of hills andpastures who are making us do
all kinds of crazy stuff. Running up the hills with a guy
on your back and do laps around this field and just trying to

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wear us out. And then we finally went into
the this little, like a little warehouse, little aluminum
building, whereas the whole machine shop right in the middle
of it was a wrestling ring in there tying.
Stein was there. Gene Anderson's teenage son,
Brad. He turned out going to school
with us, too, but he was a greatamateur wrestler.
So we go in there and Stallion, we try to shoot on you.

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He's trying to pin everybody andhe couldn't pin me.
He's getting pissed off. Yeah, Gene Anderson says our
kids go over there, we're going to decide who gets back to
school like 2025 guys, we're allstanding around and and this is
crazy. You know, it was a hard ass
workout. It was hot, but I was the best
shape of my life coming out of the military.

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And he probably named it. And I think eight of us and the
rest were kicked out, had to come back and travel another
time. So we started class in a couple
weeks from that tryout and then four months later almost took
the day and we're scheduled on TV in N.W.A.
And it it turns out that the crockets N.W.A promotion, Dusty
Rhodes reached out to Nelson andJean said, look, we're having

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television taping. The ratings for television were
awful because the job gathering is crushed.
And then they're tuning now and the people that were sponsoring
buying commercials are falling off.
So they wanted to create a classtalent that could be competitive
on television, but obviously putthe guys over.
So they, they work with us really hard.

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We kept training after that, butwe went out there and as we got
better and better, you know, they allowed us a little bit
more, but they saw the ratings change and start ticking up so
that they're very pleased with that.
And then we started getting house shows.
But so for basically I was in the Army, I was either going to
go in the one officer school andbe helicopter pilot or she's
wrestling. And I said I better get more

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girls if I can in the wrestling business.
So I. Like your?
Money, yeah, my mentality. But looking back, I was like,
man, I could, I could have been a pilot and retired already,
right? I had more fun doing my
wrestling. Yeah.
So who was your first match against Tommy Baron Von Raske?
Oh, embarrassed. Well, at that point in his

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career, he is already. Right.
You know. He's he's a legend in the
business. But you know, I'm like 21 year
old self. It's £250 and like, you know, I
was we, we told by Nelson and put everybody over.
It'd be gracious. I didn't complain, but you know,
my friend Elmer Blood kicked your ass on TV.
No, but he's, he's a, he's a, he's a super guy.

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But it was my first match and I had two matches that day and the
second one was Rock'n'roll Express and the tag team.
And so those guys are fantastic.Yeah, no doubt.
So, OK, first of all, thank you for your service for sure.
Yes, we definitely appreciate that.
Second of all, you maybe do somemoney.
Have you looked into the Camp Lejeune water lawsuit I.

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Have I've got a claimant becauseI was born at the hospital so
they said for that period when Iwas born in 63 falls into the
window of time that they they had these issues.
So who knows? Yeah, maybe, maybe.
So I, I see that all the time. I was never in the military, but
I still get those emails, so I just wanted them.
You're already ahead of the gamethere, so that's awesome.

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And so by the way, you know, youcome from the military and then
you end up growing what I would consider a legendary mullet.
I mean, of its time. It had the elements of a flat
top, but it also had this power Kentucky waterfall behind it.
So I guess when did you start growing that out?
How did your dad react to that, by the way?

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When the conversation we had that went back as I got in the
military, our relationship finally started getting better.
I got, I wanted to leave becausehim and I never got along.
And we finally had something common.
So we were talking about the military and I told him I was
getting out and he said, well, why don't you reenlist?
And I said, well, here's the things I'm looking at.
And I told him wrestling is you're a dumb ass if you do

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that. I said, dad, they make millions
of dollars, They've got nice cars.
He's like, dude, don't you get into 15 minutes of fame?
So he's my dad was a buttoned upofficer.
He never really got the ideal concept, but he supported me.
Once I was in in my hair, I started growing it.
But I came back one time, probably about six or eight
months later, my hair in the back and my moms like, Oh my

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God, my brother. Sweet.
That's ass dude. My dad is shaking his head.
Yeah. Is it up front?
Party in the rear. Dude, that's I mean there that's
such a never has a haircut meantmore to such a time in in place,
you know, so I, I, and I'm not being facetious when I tell you
that it is a great mullet. I, I unfortunately do not have

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the genetics to grow those typesof mullets.
I have officially dyed my hair clear, if you understand what
that means and so. God punished me for wearing a
mullet ball. Well, it's how it is, right?
But, you know, yeah. So.
So you started in it, you know, you had Baron and you had the
Rock'n'roll Express, and then I guess you're working for the

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Crocketts. Did you get to know the
Crocketts at all? How were they?
Yeah, because their their officewas right there in South Blvd.
on Briarbrand Avenues near Woodlawn.
Woodlawn dead ends in the South Blvd. to make a left and there
used to be Beck Mercedes there. And right across the street was
oddly enough was Broadband Ave. That's why all the boys draw a

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Mercedes-Benz. But we got to go out in the
office, pick up our checks, you know, and everybody's down
there, Sandy Scott, we saw, you know, Tony Shivani and all them
they do some some interviews down there, a little temporary
studio. They do some some cut insurance
right there. But being with Nelson and Gene,
you know, they they always treatus very nice because we were

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just project, they were developing this young talent.
And so we always get treated really well.
Jimmy Crockett was very, very anti social.
He's just a very quiet man. So he never really talked to us.
But you know, we were around David and Tony Shivani and all
the others all the time on the crew.
Then referees Tommy Young and Teddy Long and Scrappy McGowan

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and all them. So this is this is a really neat
time in my life and I'm in my early 20s and you know, making
it was we wanted to be marquee talent, but you know, we we knew
our role when they're just making those guys with
outstanding. Yeah, I've recently interviewed
George South and, you know, he'skind of similar to you.
And I will talk more about George in just a minute.

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But George always talked about understanding the role and he
knew what he needed to do and hecompletely owned it.
And you know, I, I'm a big fan of George as I am of you, Tommy.
So let me ask you this real quick.
Dusty Rhodes was the Booker at the time.
How did you feel like? I mean, I I know your position
in the company may not have required much from him as it as

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it goes, but how did you feel like the the guys?
Hasn't everyone felt about Dustyas a Booker?
Well, they they when times are good, they love them.
Sometimes are bad. You know this.
But there's that's one thing I noticed right away is the battle
of egos and everybody, there's alot of egos there.
And you know, why has one guy getting put over and the other
guy's not kind of thing. You know, in the military you're

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you're taught to be observing because if you're a non
commissioned officer, you're on a bunch of officers.
You can't just shoot your mouth off hear them.
So yeah, I was always observing people and their behaviors and
you just see all these egos and stuff.
So he saw the tension. So you could see the the ranks
or some of them, some of them didn't like them because they
they thought they should get a push.
But overall, I mean, he is, he'sa very jovial guy.

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He's fun to be around. And he would even interact with
us because like we do the house matches or even on TV, he'd say,
look, you know, like if you knewwhen you're going to the road
Warriors, you're going to be absolutely crushed.
But if you went out there like with Mike Rotundo or the
Steiners, he'd say, I kid, we want you to do a couple things
out there so we can see what youcan do.

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So like, so I had Scott Steiner was his first match.
It was between taping. So it was like a dark match back
in the old Turner Studios as thepipe and drape just try like 40
people. So he said his give me about 5
or 6 minutes Angel, you got moreexperience.
So just kind of hear the babyface lean him around and he
was only like 185 lbs and we hada very good match.

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You know he he bloodied my nose with a clothesline.
I got pissed off and got drop kicked him in the face trying to
get it. So he is not as little bloody
and Dusty just said you guys arethe shit.
And he told Scott Steiners to goget some experience down in
Memphis and you get some more size on him.

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He took that size thing personally.
So he's, yeah, he never stopped gassing up, but he's still a,
he's a hell of a talent now. I always tell people that I can
remember when Rick Steiner was the bigger Steiner.
Yeah. Yeah, I also remember when Rick
was the better promo too. And then Scott became this
excellent promo. And I don't know if he's like

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totally aware of it or if it's just him naturally.
And it comes out, I can't tell which side of the the road he's
on. But either way, his promos are
masterful too. You know, So where he's talking
about I can 33% of me can beat 50% of you tied in with 133%,
you know, it's just crazy stuff,but so.

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He's just got a wicked sense of humor.
Yeah, yeah, he does, He does. And now a word from our sponsor.
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My Pro wrestling. Every other Thursday, wherever
you listen to podcasts. All right, so during, during the
end of the show, we normally do a name game with all of our
guests, but with your career andthe way that it went, we're

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going to do we're going to do some names.
And basically the way the name game works is we say a name and
you just kind of say like your first thought of them.
If a story comes to mind, it's awesome.
If if not, you can just say skipand and we'll go on to the next
one or whatever. But when it comes down to it,
would you be willing to play thename game with us?
Let's play the name game. All right, we'll be right back

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with the very first name game with Tommy Angel.
DJ Hit the music. OK, we're back with Tommy Angel

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in the name game, like I said very early in the show, but
Jared, start us off with the very first name.
All right, Tommy, this guy, I'veheard from so many people how
just under underrated he is and how masterful he was in the
ring. But Brad Armstrong.
Rather in my heart knew you're going to say that that guy was
class act a tremendous that we completely overlooked as far as

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talent. They tried to give him a break
and I think they used an excuse not to.
He was going to be a rat and a man, but he was just a just such
a wonderful human being and justa great talent.
And he was always the one that get to morale because he was
joking all the time and in the locker room.
See everyone time I had to work in the Charlotte Coliseum and I

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just wanted to went back in the day.
You'd show up in your your bag and if someone didn't show up,
you get the dress work and he's like Grizzly Smith's like I'm
glad you bought your stuff. Tommy's we're missing a couple
guys. You can Brad arm there's a
there's a bird that got inside the Charlotte Coliseum and they
they only used to put a curtain up till you just have to
Coliseum. That's the big the old Coliseum

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and this birds flying around andBrad just he knew I just eaten
all you can eat ribs right down the street.
He goes, I said, dude, I don't even want to work.
He goes, oh, this is going to befun.
He's gone drop down, you know, kick up, watch the elbow, keep
just trying to get me to throw up.
And then this birds flying around.
What? What is this bird doing in here?
Jesus, giant goofball, says he just when he died, man, I broke

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my heart. Kidding.
So the next name on the list is quite possibly my favorite tag
team of all time. It's the Midnight Express.
Now, this version is with Bobby and Dennis.
I will talk about the other version later.
When I broke into biz, Dennis was still tagging with them, and
I enjoyed them as much as I did would stand.
But Jimmy Cornette is the one that actually put me on the

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radar. He came up with that goofy song
Tommy Angel. He'd always whack me with a
tennis racket and I didn't care because everywhere I went, all
the towns I went there, people would sing that song.
I was like, dude, I had royalties like because he put me
in a mat. But Bobby Eaton and Dennis
Connor, Bobby Eaton's probably the tightest worker ever went
with he he was crisp. He could jump off that top rope

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and like he'd kill you and he barely feel it.
Yeah, I got to know Bobby a little bit in the later years
and honestly, just such a genuine man, really just such a
good guy. And just he's one of those guys
that would take the shirt off his back if you needed it, or he
would go into that legendary bagand find you in one, you know?
So he was great. Yeah.
All right, this guy, former Pro Football player body 1,000,000

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Bucks. Lex Luger.
Lex Luger, I'm actually still good friends with him and Nikita
to this day. They're both the ministry.
But when he first got to Charlotte, they're having
trouble getting them to, you know, get some of the moves in
there preparing for the Baltimore Cup.
So they brought him down, Rick Flair and him to Nelson's camp.
And we go inside our building and we work out where Rick and

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which, like I was trying to teach him how to do a sunset
flip in the rope and we're in, you know, I'm trying to show him
he can't get it. He's almost breaking his neck.
He finally gets it. But after it's all over, like
Nelson Nissan, you got more talent than the man that just
drove up in a Mercedes. I'm like, I know that doesn't
make sense. But but because and Lex will
tell you, even back then he had a huge ego, but he was he was

(27:32):
always nice to me because I worked out with him at that
time, but he's even better now. He's he's come to Jesus Christ.
But yeah, that dude was stout. I don't even like it.
And I, I personally think he's got the greatest body of all
time. A lot of people may say the The
Ultimate Warrior, people may sayCarrie Von Erich, but I feel
like Lex Luger for the way that it looked and the way that it

(27:54):
worked on him. I personally think he's probably
the number one. And and you know, that's not a
hard argument to make, you know,but.
I think it looked the most like it.
Looked possible it. Looked possible, yeah.
Like some of these guys don't look possible.
Like I guess with genetics Lex Luger looked possible but.
Yeah, he had. He just had the symmetry like a

(28:15):
bodybuilder. Everything sided together
nicely. He was, he was taller, shit,
longer limbs and it just just like a Arnold Schwarzenegger.
He, yeah, he's better than Arnold, look better than Luke
Ferrigno, because Luke Ferrigno had shorter limbs, so he just
looked thicker, like his masses.And he put me up in that rack.
But at least, yeah, I was like, dude, you know, I got to pull

(28:35):
all me up. I'm selling already dude.
I'll sell them. Oh man.
Well, the next name and you brought them up a little bit
earlier, but my very favorite tag team of all time from my
childhood and honestly probably still to this day, my favorite
tag team, The Rock'n'roll Express.

(28:56):
Yeah, this. I mean, that's what Nelson would
travel the shows before we started working.
We'd go with him and he'd tell us to sit off the side so no one
really notice this. And then we on the way back
home, wherever, whatever times and we talked about the matches.
Well, that's what we observed and what he he said we should
have picked up on. But he always talked about the

(29:16):
how much sympathy the baby face we got.
I saw grown women crying, thinking Ricky and Robert
getting killed. So that's the heart of the
business. Those guys are selling their
hearts out. And they could do that.
They could make people believe they're dying.
And they were, they were stars in the 80s, big time stars.
They're still good. I remember that the deal about

(29:37):
when a when a day with the Rock'n'roll Express or weekend
or whatever, and I felt like it was probably kids and women, you
know, it was they got those highpitched screams.
I remember. And you know, then then other
teams came out with bigger pops,but they're theirs were the
higher pitched ones for sure. So but.
Great tag. I never seen any tag team get as

(30:00):
much sympathy and in those two. Yeah.
I mean, Ricky's got to be the best seller of all time.
Or or or what? Top two at least, I don't know.
Easily. Yeah, yeah.
Well, the next one is you brought up Gene earlier, but
this one was our Minnesota Wrecking Crew because we were
80s kids, ARN and Ollie Anderson.

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Yep, ARN is a A class act. Ollie truly was the the best
deal. I think it was Greenville where
he actually got stabbed. That goes back to the the
reality of being heels and baby faces and selling your gimmick
and not doing that. But again, on the way to the way
to ring or way back, I think I'mway back.
Maybe somebody reached out and hit him on the side of his back

(30:43):
or something. And you know, I wasn't at the
show, but that's Nelson use thatexample on time said you want to
get enough heat where people want to kill you.
Barn. You know he was he was very
patient. I had a lot of matches with him
individually and even in WWF. Their debut up in the WWF we had
and he said when they found out they were working me and Bob

(31:05):
Emery, one of the guys that broke in when we in the
business, he said, I can't tell you how relieved I am boys,
because we've already worked you.
He said. We're we're up here with a lot
of different really good tag teams.
We're going to come in and Bowiedown.
I said that's that's what we're here for.
Make you look good. I guess we're going to state
you. Yeah, we did.
Yeah, he even brought you up recently on his podcast.
I I pay attention to his podcast, probably out of all the

(31:27):
Conrad shows, I think I listen to Orange the most.
And he brought you up recently on his podcast.
He was putting you over. So that was very cool to hear
that. About the Hands of Stone Ronnie
Garvin. Ronnie Garvin, I just ran across
the match that I had with him when somebody actually Facebook
me and said, hey, look, the little match with Ronnie Garvin,
I said wow. And then he was easy to work

(31:48):
with. He he'd let you just like a porn
or if you could work, he'd let he'd give you a little bit if
you stalled or just stopped you just destroy you.
But he he's like, hey, kiddo, I want to knockout punch, but I
want to do something different this time, if you're OK with it.
I said sure, whatever it is. He stopped me.
He'd hit me up and hit me me some more and you know, I'm

(32:10):
actually he's trying to pick me up.
I keep falling back like I'm just completely knocked out.
He sits me up. Then he does this big pain of
stone punch in my snap my head back, hit the mat and hang my
head that it looks exactly goes.You OK?
I'm trying to go. That was great.
Was he pretty snug with those stomps?
No, those are great when he chest lappy though.

(32:31):
That was for really shooting lappy.
Since you brought it up, who's got the hardest chop you've ever
taken? Flair.
Flair. OK, yeah, OK.
I knew. I knew he gave it pretty good,
but. Yeah, Ronnie's.
Ronnie's a close second, I'll tell you that.
That's all. You have a handprint on your
chest for at least a couple days.
Yeah. All right, these next guys, we

(32:54):
were speaking about louder pops earlier.
How about the Road Warriors? Little brother, just love those
guys and thankfully every time that we had to do TV with them,
they're like, we're not going totake it on you, Angel.
We'll take it on whoever else. We like you.
Thank you Jesus. That's amazing.
Oh my God. But they were very, very easy to

(33:14):
talk to and in the back, you know, they just because he knew
they liked Gene Anderson a lot. So I said you were one of Gene's
boys, right? And he talked to us, either one
of them, Mike or or Joe, and they'd always look out for us.
To anybody in the Hawker, I think anybody.
That's the team, brother. You let me know, I'll take them
out. Yes, Sir, I love that.

(33:36):
Oh man, No, more authentic than those guys for sure, man.
So the very next one. This one's interesting, OK, But
I'm doing this mostly because ofour listener base and how much
they think of this one gentlemanand his tag partner, too.
So the new breed and it's specifically Chris Champion and
Sean Royal. Oh yeah, they're they're fun.
I'm I rest new breed several times broke in and they're just

(34:01):
fun guys and Chris champion. They're just goofballs, but they
both very good athletes. But then when Chris didn't keep
they broke up and new breed always like their their their
ring entrance song. It was great.
Yeah, it was great. The whole gimmick, the
futuristic team and stuff. I loved it.
Yeah. Yeah, Ben and Chris had to do
some kind of Oriental deal. Yoshiquan, yeah.

(34:22):
Yeah, yeah. So, but I don't know, I think I
never what knew what happened toSean after that.
But yeah, they're you breathe, man.
They're fun. Yeah, I watched a match recently
with you and Yoshiquan on YouTube.
I've been watching all your matches as much as I can and it
was a good match man. You you had cut your hair at
that time, you were wearing the goatee and but still a great
match all the round so. I cut them all off because the

(34:45):
the the hairline was receding. I didn't want to look like both
of the clowns. Yeah, yeah, well, the next one
I've got is, is specifically, and you've spoken about him
earlier about his time in the ministry with Lex, is the
Russians, Ivan and Nikita. Ivan with a sweetheart.
My first house match was with Ivan.
It was Valentine's night in 1987and showed that the old original

(35:07):
Shelly Colin, there was some cricket arena now I think it's
called or whatever written in Tennis Blvd.
And it was we're doing TV that morning and they said, Hey, we
get a couple spots. You guys want to work on the
show. I said absolutely.
Rick Reed wanted to. He drove down there with his his
car. I was all excited because we're

(35:28):
going to we're going to drive back and talk about going to the
matches, but they're like, Hey, who who can drive my car back to
Charlotte? I'll give you 100 bucks.
We're all sitting around. And then one of the guys that
was driving us, he goes, Angel, you want to do it?
Like I guess we had this old convertible.
It was raining sideways in the convertible leaks.

(35:48):
I'm driving in the rain and justpouring down to my lap the whole
time thinking this is the dumbest thing I ever needed to
do. But I got 100 bucks when I got
there. I just put my trunks on.
But I did Ivan, you know, 10,000seat arena and he dried me
through the whole match and he was just masterful.
And you know, he he give me stuff.
He was light as a feather. And then Nikita working with

(36:10):
him. Man, my first time I saw him, he
was about two 86290 just Jack and I was worried about getting
a sickle. But you know, he was he made it
look like it was snug, but it didn't hurt.
And then over time he he said been in because he was living in
Kannapolis, Concord Kannapolis. He had a gym up there and he
does and he knew that we worked out with Nelson.
So we go up there and he had a little ring to, you know, work

(36:32):
out with him and some guys and became real close with him.
And he became kind of a mentor to me.
And his first wife was dying of a Hodgkin's disease.
They were in Danville, VA, And he took a call.
She was overseas trying some medication.
It was experimental that the United States wouldn't allow.
So she was able to try it. And he got the call that said it

(36:52):
didn't work. And I've never seen him in the
shower by himself, just crying. Thrush my heart.
I was like, man, that sucks. And it does.
It's horrible. And so he he get out and end of
93 and my timing getting the business with beginning of 94.
He left as a millionaire, left as 1000 man.
You know, I always consider him the original Goldberg, you know

(37:14):
what I mean? I feel like, I feel like when I
saw Goldberg, I I saw I was like, man, that's just a Nikita
gimmick, you know? And but is it true?
OK, so you know him, know him. You're you know him personally.
A lot of the guys make cracks about him because they say
essentially that he kept that I do Uncle Ivan kind of thing
going all the time. I'm assuming he really did not

(37:36):
keep it going all the time, right?
I. Mean well, and in public he did,
because. Of course, yeah.
Back then it was case a sure business and I actually got in
trouble for some girl I was dating that happened to know
Magnum TA and you know, get backto him and I was talking too
much about the business. I was just trying to impress the
girl and. Of course.

(37:58):
I was in book for a while because of it, rightly so, but I
learned my lesson. So back then it was extremely
important to protect the business.
He was just living his gimmicks so that he was.
He said he would just make up all this.
He wouldn't speak gibberish. He was, I don't know Russian.
Last week I was down in Georgia for one of their their wrapping

(38:19):
up one of their ministry weeks down there man camp and one of
the I went down as an alumni, one of the alumni of the guy
from Russia, and he's a really neat guy.
I was talking to him and he saidthat first first time I meet the
Nikita, I start talking Russian.He's like, I don't know what to
say brother, Hilarious. He said that's what I know.
He's not the real Russian. I said no, he's not.

(38:41):
That's funny. Great guy, though.
Great guy. Ivan was too.
I, I I got to meet both of thosegentlemen.
Yeah. Great, great men.
All right, how about the Southern boys?
Tracy's mothers. Tracy's mothers.
Yeah, they were. He was just a wonderful guy.
They're just both good guys, excellent workers.
You know, they're yeah, they're,they're cut off the full of Bob

(39:01):
Armstrong tree where, you know, the tree in the head and the
style of wrestling they did. They're just sort of good.
Oh yeah. How about Ron Simmons?
Damn. He was, Yeah.
I wrestled him a bunch on television and just the views of
enormous got to, but always, always took care of his light.

(39:23):
But he just said he was great with the crowd.
Just I love Ron. I've seen him in a couple of
different those events where he goes on autographs.
He just, he's just full of life.I love him.
Yeah, yeah. Well, we're going to kind of
take a break from the name game right now, but we'll come right
back to it. The the one question I want to
ask you is, you know, right about this time, you actually
work and actually win a match versus the gladiator #2 which we

(39:48):
know as George South. So how was that?
First of all, how was working George?
How was winning a match that kind of thing?
Obviously you, you put over for the first time you think it's
the greatest thing in the world that I have a long history of
George. He's a, he's a, he's an
exceptional human being. So all the stuff that we do with
Nelson, all the small shows around Nelson had his own, the

(40:10):
life at ACW at Night Coast wrestling off.
You remember that it was around the same time that we'd gone up
the WWF. So George was part of the ACW.
George and Stadium had a little outfit called PFWP.
We we made fun of every so it's to please wrestle free PWF.
The result shows around West Virginia.
So we I did a lot of stuff with George and, and he was in ACW.

(40:35):
He put me over a lot. So he's just, he's a consummate
professional, but he's he's still wrestling and he's you'd
ask any big name you got in the business to put to put George
over because he's he's an excellent worker.
Yeah, yeah, he really was. So with the name game, you know,
we always like I said, we'll come right back to it.
But right about this time the Crockett's end up purchasing the

(40:56):
UW FAKA Mid South, whatever you want to call it.
So how did you or how was it kind of felt?
Because obviously now in lookingback and even Jr. has admitted
that they were buying basically a lame duck.
They could have waited for the company to close and then they
could have picked up those guys and not bought that company.
But how was that? Was that even something you even

(41:18):
thought about, or how was that thought of at that time?
Well, we always had Gina Nelson giving us what's what the the
truth was what was going on and,you know, bad business decisions
and all that stuff. And he just told us to keep our
minds focused on our, our part in the business and our careers
and just try to keep moving forward.
So I know we because we we did so well with Crockett, the

(41:41):
talent, the ratings went up. Vince McMahon took a great deal
of interest in us by the US to come through television, Nelson
said. Hey, here's an opportunity.
But if you take it, you're probably burning Bridge with
Crockett and like, and I've always wanted to work in WWF.
So George and all of us went up there and it was just a night
and day difference pay wise, experience wise, being around

(42:04):
top talents that, you know, I watched on TV, you know, but
it's probably after about a few years with Crockett.
But we went up there and during that time, while we were gone, I
went to WCW, but we first walkedin Georgia, say me, George and a
couple other guys walk in and knowing that Croc Jim Crockett
didn't we believed he didn't know her name.

(42:25):
We walked in, we see Vincent man, like there's the there's
the man. Oh, sure.
What we do? Hey, George.
Hey, Tommy, Hey, David, how you guys doing?
We're so glad you came up. You guys see anything?
I'm like, no, And he walked. I was like, he knows her name.
That's crazy. And we told Nelson that he goes,
hey, he goes Mitch McMahon doesn't do anything happens

(42:46):
Nancy, he researches, he knows you guys talent.
He's watched you on this the shows that you guys work with
Crockett. He wanted you here for purpose
to take, you know, take their their television up to the next
level. So it was very made us feel good
about our ourselves. And but man, they're just so
much where they fed up. They had buffets all day for
TV's. You know you need 4 weeks in a

(43:07):
can, you know Crockett, then oneguy down to the corner and see
if he can eat. So then so we get a bunch of
those frozen burritos or whatever, but you know, the man
pays it per diem and much higherpay on TV and all you can eat is
like this. Oh, I'm sure.
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man. So like, what did you feel like

(43:51):
was like the difference in the locker rooms?
To say this with the same guys, the same kind of atmosphere, you
know, just a lot of camaraderie.Everybody got along at this
different places. You know, just the difference
was the way they they handled the business of it.
You know that it was the same, but it wasn't like McMahon had
his agents. You'd have a an area where the

(44:11):
television was on, you'd watch it and you the next stage,
Gorilla Monsoon was that he had TV, but you were he was one of
the key to the ring. So they were very more precise
about it. When you we went up there, they
had four tractor trailers, WWF stick, you know, logo it all up
and it was like a three ring circus.
They had equipment guys and P they had staffed or.

(44:40):
Right, right. Yeah.
And you did. And you know, you did start
working it, I think it was June 21st of 88 that you started
working in the WWF from my research that I could find.

(45:00):
But of course, you do go back and forth and that must be a
luxury as far as that. Was that fairly common for guys
or was there a set group of guysthat could do that?
I think it was just. I think it was just the group
that Nelson, because he did, they did several camps and they
knows like two or three from my my class and a couple from the

(45:20):
other ones that would be able togo back and forth because just
being the longer we were in the business better.
We were the craft and just the trust we have with all the top
guys. So they were just like, I'm
pretty sure they said, you know,we want him and him.
My, my real break came in WWF when Miami Papa heard we were
doing TV and we're getting readyto fly back home.

(45:42):
And the gorilla walks up and goes, Angel, you talk to him.
They can look at my boys. I'm like, man, I don't think I'm
screwed up today. You know, I don't know.
I know. And I I go talk to him.
He goes, hey, Lanny, Papa's hurting, hurts his back.
He's out for two weeks. Can you work?
I'm like, brother, can I work? Tell me where I need to be.

(46:03):
And that line is up, man. I had airline tickets.
They, you know, set up per diem and those travel around with
boss man hanging and recruits. And then there it was just a
black I was I wrestled in the the up in Toronto, Maple Leaf
Gardens, Iron Mike Sharp and WWFhouse show and this bazillion
people and it was just a good thing.

(46:25):
I think they must it was PV taping or something because it's
still on YouTube somewhere. But Coco, beware, you know, just
having fun with these guys and have a room with boss man
through most of it. Great trailer.
I knew him from his N.W.A and that guy was what a sweetheart
he was. Yeah, speak on him.
I would love to hear more about Ray.
He's the same thing as a job guylevel.

(46:47):
And he said, hey, Tommy, it might happen to you.
I was just sitting here one day and you say, hey, we got to get
it for you, boy. You want to try?
And I said, get it, Sir. Yeah.
And they get a big boss man, youknow, because.
But even Limber is a cat. He can sit in the hotel room and
lift his leg up like a karate kick and touch the ceiling.
There ain't no way you can do that's impossible for that.
What? I just did this.

(47:08):
Just flexible, Tommy. I remember when he was Ray
Trailer and he was just wearing like a singlet, almost like a
King Kong Bundy type deal. And he's Ray Trailer and he he
and then he's big Bubba Rogers all of a sudden.
And, you know, as a kid, we're paying attention to this stuff
and we're like, OK, this guy's getting his break, you know, and
then of course he ends up the big boss man.
And you know that that is history.

(47:28):
But man, I just, I just remember, you know, we, we loved
all the guys. It didn't matter who won or lost
in a sense. We just enjoyed all the the
wrestlers but so like I said, you are working in the WWF some
now. So we're going to go back to the
name game real quick, and Jared go ahead with the first name.
All right, so with this guy we've got, we're going to have

(47:49):
to have a, a confirmation on this Brutus to Barber Beefcake.
Did you ever lose your hair to Brutus?
My very first match was too Brutus to Barber.
It came up to me and then the makeup artist comes up and says
it's asking questions about my my mullet.
And I'm thinking she thinks I'm pretty hot or something and
she's just pulling my mullet andstuff.
I guess she goes, yeah, you do. And she walks off.

(48:12):
I'm like, I don't know what that's all about.
But then they came and said, hey, Angel, you're going to be
working Barber. You have a problem if you cut
your hair. I'm like, I don't, I don't know.
I don't want to cut my hair. I just screwed this out.
And then they like, well, they'll just cut a little bit
off. And makeup artist wanted to say,
you know, she could fix it if ittrim it up.
I'm like, OK, so we're going to give you extra money for that

(48:33):
one. They told me how much extra
money. I'm like, oh, hell yes, you can
cut my hair. We go out and do the whole match
and you can hear if you watch iton TV and I think it's McMahon
and Jesse Ventura. This Angel got Mr. Angel, our
first look at him. Mr. Angel here in WWF, he's got
quite a bit of hair on his head,you know, making fun like I'm
getting cut off and go through the match and does a gimmick.

(48:55):
He, you know, he gets he on himself way too excited and he
brought out the shears and comes, he cuts just a little bit
off and lays me back and think, oh God, perfect.
Didn't like to cut much. And then I feel him picking me
back up and he starts snipping away.
I'm like, what the but I'm trying.
I'm supposed to be out cold and I just after watching the match

(49:15):
to the back after dude, I'm like, Oh my God, my hair's all
gapped up and she goes, sorry, honey, if you want to even I
must have cut most of it off like God Almighty.
So the the next hour taping is the British Bulldogs.
So they did. We did several show weeks in a
row shows. So I go out there and next, you
know, nearly 30 minutes later with short hair, but it's
supposed to be the following week's TV.

(49:38):
So it's humiliated. My, my, my moment is gone.
Oh man. Well, yeah, you brought them up.
Talk about the Bulldogs. That's my, you know, so the
Rock'n'roll, the Midnights are in my top mount, Mount Rushmore
of tag teams, but as far as it goes, the Bulldogs are too.
How was it working with those guys?
Man, they were, they were crisp.They're strong, they're very

(50:01):
good at what they did. They played some nasty ribs on
people. But that same day, you know, I
got my extra money for my haircut, but they went to give
me the suplex off the top rope. You know, weird Nelson taught
us, you know, you don't you don't want anybody to have to
throw you, you know, give your weight to it.
So I jumped right when they weresuplexing me and you can almost

(50:22):
see like you almost let go, almost lost me in the air.
And he goes whole week. You can hear the commentators
like, oh man, how many years that guy, Jesus, come back and
they're just $100 bills. That was the best book.
We see all that kid. Good job.
So I'm thinking another guy got Clothesline by Jake the snake

(50:43):
out of the ring and he got my ass.
Like, hey, we're making extra cash just for, you know, doing
all kinds of crazy stuff. This is fat.
I love it. Yeah, exactly.
That's awesome. How about one man gang?
One main game I've wrestled in several times and in his one
match, you know, I was, I was 6 foot one and about 2:55 and it
looked like a little kid standing next to me.

(51:04):
It's huge. Yeah.
They said, you know, this is that's a gimmick.
You're not going to be able to do much, you know, throw some
punches, kicks, whatever, but he's going to shut you down.
So I did it. And that was his manager's name.
The the black dudes slick. Slick.
Yeah, he's he was a crack up. I love that guy, but you know, I
knew it was going to be like a two or three minute match and

(51:26):
but he was very nice. You OK?
Did I hurt you like? Yeah, from stuff I've seen of
him, he seems like genuinely oneof the nicest people.
Like, he just looks like such a monster because he's so big.
But he seems like genuinely niceguy.
Oh, definitely. Yeah.
How about Rick Rude? Rick Rude.
Yeah, he was, and he was strong as an ox.

(51:49):
But every time I worked in he was he was very crisp, but I
just a showman, you know, he tried to laugh, but he got me
one time with DDT on a chair andwe no one knew nothing about
concussions back that era. But I'm pretty sure I had one
after that when I was like, whatthe yeah, I was trying to
remember where I was and in the back and the boys room and he
said, dude, I come with cookie stones to get in the locker and

(52:12):
listen. I don't even know what time when
he dudes like stopping to make them for real.
Yeah, where am I? So he rocked you pretty good,
huh? That's.
Yeah, yeah. But he's, he was.
He was always fun to hang out with.
You remember one time when that trip to win the WWF in Toronto,
we, we walk in the bar and there's a bunch of clowns making
fun of them. We smoke cigarettes, which

(52:32):
seemed odd to me, as athletic asRick was, but he walked in, he's
smoking and guys are making. Well, look, you think you're so
cool because of all the big muscles.
And it's me, boss man, Henning and him.
And they're, they're sitting at the bar stools with their back
to the bar. And Rick Reed, sitting right in
front of me, takes a big drag and a cigarette and just looking
at it and say, already blew smoke in his face real hard.

(52:54):
And the guy blinked and he just got me by the throat with one
hand and choked him up. I'm like, what?
The big Howard Johnson's bar, That was the place to go up
there. And I was just like, did you
guys like, I didn't drink yet. OK, good drink.
What to do? That's incredible.

(53:15):
So the next guy on the list, so our former guest and good friend
of the show, Mr. Ben Jordan, he got to work the Money
Incorporated version with this gentleman.
But you actually worked the $1,000,000 man.
Now I got to ask. He was upset because at the end
he got pinned but did not get the $100 stuffed in his mouth.
Let me ask, were you able to take the pin from Ted?

(53:37):
Yeah, and then you don't get to keep the money.
Of course, I'm sure you didn't. Yeah.
But the mud match I had with himas it was the whole he did a
good setup. He you know, he's going to shoot
me the corner and he turned his back on me and I climbed up the
rope and did a cross body block off the top.

(53:59):
But he does and that landed and then the commentators that was
amazing because I took a a greatbump and they're like man who
looks like he's coming a crash landing or something is
hilarious. But he didn't even loved it.
But he was, he was so easy to work.
Yeah, I've heard he's one of thebest for sure.
So then the next name on the list and you've worked what I

(54:19):
consider the original of this team.
But I I can't deny that, you know, the crusher basically
taking one of the former Russians and putting him with
the mask superstar to make demolition has to be a great tag
team. Tell me I guess one thing about
demolition, talk about them, butalso maybe how they compared to
the Road Warriors. Yeah, Bill Edie is, he is great

(54:42):
to work with and then. Barry Dorso.
Yeah. Barry Dorso.
Yeah, he's there, then. Barry, Nikita, Rick, Kurt
Henning and all the guys are allfrom Minnesota.
They all knew each other. Yeah, we're the big friends.
Rug orders as well. And Barry was as a team, but

(55:02):
Billy was the more experienced. The guy pretty much laid out the
match for him. But yeah, it's, I mean, World
Warriors are it's it's like comparing apple and oranges.
They're just two different types.
Right. Right, boys are just the rules.
We're going to smash your face and where the demolition, you
know they they were. I don't know if they're more

(55:23):
agile, more wrestling moves, butthere was definitely known they
were they were over 2. I just Rd.
Warriors but Edie and Barry werewere great to work with as well.
Do you feel like they maybe tookcare of you a little more than
the Road Warriors did? Or was it because I mean you
said the road? Warriors overall I mean the the
road Warriors matches were were quick.

(55:45):
Shocking all. The Demolition, yeah, With the
WWF, maybe just be some more, more time in a mat so I could
tag in, tag out. So yeah, they definitely took
care of you for sure. You would never get hurt working
those guys. Yeah.
How about looks like you worked Iron Mike Sharp five times and.

(56:05):
We always yelled. Yeah, yeah, five times in a row
it looked like too, actually. Yeah, he's, he's somehow he's a
big dude, just large individual.I mean, because of one of the
matches, I think it was the one from Maple Leaf Gardens, I had
to go behind and put a full Nelson on and I couldn't get my

(56:27):
hands locked behind instead of wide back and shoulders.
Any other Renee Goulet or somebody was in the counter.
I can't even lock his fingers, but he'd always he'd he'd always
worked out and put baby oil on. So he just slippers all get out
when you're in the ring with him.
It's nasty. You have to shower when you're

(56:49):
not working on because he's I was just saying and he'd take a
shower and put a fresh new coat of baby oil on him, put him on
the airplane with him. Would it burn your eyes when you
worked with them? I imagine if it got in your
eyes, we would never mind. Thank goodness.
Yeah. Yeah, it's a slippery really.
He trying to Bing Bing Bing billing, tackle, drop down watch

(57:11):
and slide right through his arms.
I've heard that he was a bit of a germaphobe or and a clean
freak and say Jake. Yeah, yeah, Jake the snake would
tell a story about how he would do something to kind of shake
his hand or touch him or something, and he would feel
like he was dirty again and needto go take another shower as a
rib on him. It's a great segue if you don't

(57:34):
mind the very the very first WWFshow in the Palace in Auburn
Hills. It's since closed down.
I mean, I was working Iron Mike sharp first match and I go back
to the dressing room. Heels are always on the opposite
of the building and but somehow they they're all in the backroom
in the concourse with everybody together.
I get a shower going. I'm like I said, well, I'm the

(57:57):
first match, you know, Mike, Mike's not over here.
Why is the shower going? I come around the corner with A
and all the swimming seasons Python was in the water is
swimming. Oh my God, He.
Wanted to put the snake in for exercise but slipped, you know,
barefoot. I'm now dropping my towel naked.
I'm scratched. I'm trying to get off this wet

(58:17):
dorm stoked and went around the concourse.
I said secure you guys looking He goes what's wrong with you
brother? I said put snake in there dude,
I'm scared. Just relaxing.
He's been in a bag all day and put some warm water on him
swimming. I'm like it'd be nice if you
just let us give us a heads up before.
Yeah, freaked me up. And then the guy, finally I'm

(58:39):
standing, he goes, You know you're naked, right, dude?
Like second locker. All shame.
But yeah, that was hilarious. Yeah, I could care less that I'm
Naked right now. I don't want to be near that.
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