1. Wings (1927)

The One with All the Bubbles (and bubble butts!). In this episode, Bradley and Carly break down the very first Best Picture Winner- the 1927 silent war drama Wings. In the first half, the hosts recap the film, including all of Mary's antics, the famous bubble scene, and THAT kiss! In the 2nd half, the hosts discuss the first academy awards and the surprising connection to Taylor Swift. Plus find out how they rate and rank Wings, and which movie they will be discussing next! 

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Episode Transcript

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Bradley (00:18):
Welcome to The Better Half.
I'm Bradley J.
Halverson, and here with me,she's my better half.
It's Carly Corio.
Hi, Carly.

Carly (00:25):
Hi, Bradley.
How

Bradley (00:26):
are you?
How's life?

Carly (00:27):
I'm very good.
I'm very good.
I've had a good week.
I've had a good life.
How about you?

Bradley (00:31):
It's good.
It's episode one, Carly.
We did it.

Carly (00:33):
Totally.
Every time I told someone, Iwas like, I'm starting a podcast
with Brad.
And they're like, haven't youbeen saying that forever?
Right.
Just like in general about mestarting a podcast.
Right.
But I finally have a friendthat really wants to do it.
And I do.
I want to shout out Eva becauseI did do two episodes of a
podcast with someone else.
But this one's more targetedtoward a theme.

Bradley (00:54):
Yeah.
Well, we're here talking aboutthe very first Best Picture
winner.
Okay.
The 1927 Classic wings

Carly (01:01):
classic

Bradley (01:02):
classic no exclamation point at the end of wings
although i feel like it needsone

Carly (01:06):
and maybe like a to dot the i with like a bubble instead
of like a circle you know

Bradley (01:12):
instead of a dot exactly so yeah we're here
talking about wings notablyfamously a silent movie

Carly (01:18):
the only fully silent one to ever win

Bradley (01:21):
true yes and so it's at this point it's you know 98
years old so it's in the publicdomain we were able to find it
right on youtube so if anyonewants to go watch it go to
youtube watch the whole thingand it was like good quality too
it wasn't like

Carly (01:34):
it was good it had been remastered you could tell

Bradley (01:36):
yeah we found the 2025 edit of wings so but we are
gonna be you know guiding youthrough most of the movie of
wings so spoiler alert for thisyou know 98 year old film so if
you haven't watched wings youknow stop what you're doing you
know pause this podcast we'llstill be here go watch wings um
and come back you know the

Carly (01:57):
time is up on spoiler alerts for this movie it has
passed

Bradley (02:02):
okay so let's get into it because we basically start
off um you know once we getthrough the very you know slow
crawl of the opening credits uhwe pretty much get introduced
through our main characters youknow we got jack here he's very
excited to you know go fight inthe war and become a pilot in
particular in the war and thenyou got mary the girl next door

(02:24):
who is obsessed with jackobsessed and there's like
there's also you know david andsylvia but really like there's
like this like love quadranglethat's happening where like
Mary's really into Jack but Jackis really into Sylvia but
Sylvia's into David and you canargue that David is then into
Jack as well at least by the endof the movie but

Carly (02:44):
you

Bradley (02:44):
know in the beginning here he's like all for Sylvia as
well whatever

Carly (02:48):
yes and I should preface this a little bit because you
had mentioned that he's intoDavid and Jack might be into
each other when we originallygoogled the movie Wings I went
to look up how long it is i wentto look up wings runtime and
the first thing that came up asgoogle was wings 1927 gay so we

(03:10):
were like wait what so we lookedinto it and it yeah so it does
have some tones and it was aheadof its time

Bradley (03:18):
no and I mean that immediately set the tone for me
suddenly I was like oh I'm likewings like it's like a silent
movie I think both you and Iwere a little like oh god how
are we gonna get through thislike two hour silent movie but
as soon as you said like theword gay I was like

Carly (03:33):
Brad was in I

Bradley (03:34):
was in I was like excited but yeah you know when
we first see Jack he is likehe's like building a car I think
like in his driveway he'sbuilding some sort of like
vehicle like a four wheeler Idon't really know

Carly (03:44):
yeah I think at that point in time it was a car yes

Bradley (03:48):
okay He's building an off-roader, four-wheeler,
Mustang, Civic, Honda.
I don't know.
I don't know cars.
And we got Mary like peepingover the fence.
She's like the girl next door.
And Mary just is like...
Jack's out.

Carly (04:00):
Jack's out there.

Bradley (04:03):
She literally hops over the fence.
Literally like leaps over thefence.

Carly (04:06):
Actually scales the fence.

Bradley (04:08):
Helps Jack build this whole car.
They name it the shooting star.
She's so excited to be involvedin the project.
And immediately upon finishingthe car, he hops into it and
drives off to go see Sylvia andjust leaves Mary literally in
his driveway.

Carly (04:22):
Yeah.
Leaves her behind after helpinghim finish his car.
And I should, we should saythat she draws a shooting star
on it or they draw it.
together they like paint it onthere

Bradley (04:32):
yeah very important the shooting star you know they
named it together mary's likeall a giddy um and he leaves her
there in the driveway and shehonestly i think just stays in
that driveway for a while like idon't think she she goes

Carly (04:44):
sad very sad

Bradley (04:46):
and then we we cut over and we get introduced to like
david and sylvia and sylvia islike she's like sad puritan
woman on a swing set and ibelieve david's there at this
point but they're chatting ithink david at this point knows
he's also like gonna head off totrain and in the army to become
a pilot.
We should also say like this islike the year is like 1917.
We're like in the height ofWorld War One.

(05:07):
And so that is specificallykind of what Jack and David are
off to.
But you know, Jack, you know,rolls around his car.
He's like showing off toSylvia.
Sylvia is like, you know,whatever she was doing.
Honestly, Sylvia, not really aleading character.
She honestly stays on thatswing set for most of the movie.
She

Carly (05:24):
somehow managed to get top billing at the beginning of
the movie shows us the threemain characters and then Sylvia
Sylvia's the actors names and wecannot stress enough how little
Sylvia's in this film and thetwo maybe three minute scenes
she's in she's sitting on aswing looking sad so

Bradley (05:42):
yeah like yearning full of desire of a sad saddest girl
in the whole world so yeah andthe two hour run time she's
probably in like 15 minutes

Carly (05:50):
if that that's very generous but yes very little of
it

Bradley (05:54):
and she's into David and David you know we get to see
his like home life he's clearlyvery loaded living in a mansion
but also living with his likeparents

Carly (06:02):
and

Bradley (06:02):
dog and dog yes I my eyes just naturally glaze over
the dog and I only remember whatit looked like and I don't
remember much from this scenebut I do remember he's like
gonna head off to war and helike kisses his mom full on the
mouth so that was likeoff-putting to say the least
like full

Carly (06:17):
passionate and it wasn't even just a peck on the mouth it
was lips intertwining kiss itwas way too romantic and we both
audibly gasped

Bradley (06:26):
yeah I'm like where's the gay stuff this is not what I
signed up for he's

Carly (06:30):
not who we were looking for and

Bradley (06:32):
i think his mom gives him his like good luck charm
it's like this little tiny likebear like bear it couldn't be

Carly (06:38):
smaller it wasn't even a teddy bear it was about the size
of a keychain you're very rightit actually fits in a shirt
pocket that's how small thisthing is and she said this is
your good luck go

Bradley (06:48):
to war him a fully grown man in his 20s probably is
is thrilled to have this bearand he's like all right all
right ma see you later

Carly (06:55):
smooch

Bradley (06:57):
but we should um before we head off to war we should to
touch back on Jack and Marybecause Jack is gonna head off
whatever Mary's very upset andas a parting gift uh to Jack
Mary gives him a selfie ofherself you know

Carly (07:13):
the original selfie

Bradley (07:15):
you know a seven by five you know printed photograph
of herself it's the mostcracked selfie I think I've ever
seen

Carly (07:22):
yeah um picture someone sitting down and leaning over
like their their chest is totheir knees almost yeah and
looking to the side and thenthis big stupid open mouth grin
but also her eyes are confusedthat is yeah that is the picture
and it's a shot from the sideand you just see if we had an

(07:44):
instagram we would post it but

Bradley (07:46):
yeah and honestly we we may you know we may

Carly (07:49):
someday

Bradley (07:50):
we may find it and share to our stories uh we'll
have Eddy our intern you know

Carly (07:54):
yeah Eddy get that on our instagram Eddy

Bradley (07:56):
and his response to receiving this photograph is the
most pained smile I've everseen anyone can.
It's like dopiest, just full ofpain and cringe.
He cannot be less excited toreceive this gift from Mary.

Carly (08:13):
This isn't my favorite picture, but it is my least
favorite picture.

Bradley (08:18):
Meanwhile, he does go and see Sylvia before he goes,
right?
And Sylvia puts a photo ofherself in like a little locket,
right?

Carly (08:26):
For, it was originally for David.
And she was writing a letterlike to David, love you lots,
and was putting a little, littleteeny appropriately sized
headshot, appropriate picture ina little locket.

Bradley (08:38):
Yeah, Sylvia's doing it right, you know.
But the problem is Jack showsup and Sylvia, you know, she
doesn't want to be honest abouther feelings towards Jack that
she's not, she's just not intohim.
She gives the locket to him.

Carly (08:51):
Because Jack sees it and is like, oh, what's this for me?
And

Bradley (08:54):
opens it for me,

Carly (08:55):
assumes it's his and

Bradley (08:58):
takes it.
Yeah.
So that's kind of his good luckcharm heading off to war.
And David is not aware of this.
He's not aware of the locket orthe photograph or the letter
that Jack has.
But it's a bit of a bit ofenemies to lover type situation
between Jack and David.
They head off to war andthey're in pilot training.
There's this whole segmentwhere there's in boot camp

(09:20):
whatever they're working outoutside they're doing these like
burpee lunge kicks whatever butevery time like Jack puts his
legs kicks these legs back hepurposely like smushes David's
hat

Carly (09:31):
it was a burpee flirt if I've ever seen it

Bradley (09:35):
oh

Carly (09:36):
oh my oh my feet oh oh oh it was very flirtatious

Bradley (09:41):
yeah and honestly I think it was like just the same
two second clip of his likeshoes squashing the hat just
reused like over and over again

Carly (09:49):
a thousand percent

Bradley (09:50):
but this leads to like big you know physical fight
between Jack and David and allthe all the men are surrounding
them you know they're like fightfight wrestle whatever it is I
guess men do you know this ispreparing them for war I guess
but they they fight they both Idon't think any either either of
them win but they do get thislike mutual respect for one

(10:11):
another after sort of likephysically sort of going at it
in a homoerotic tone so

Carly (10:17):
totally

Bradley (10:17):
but this is where they start to become friends.
Then they start jumping intoplanes.
They start practicing.
They share a tent with this guynamed White, who's like, hey,
you know, make sure you haveyour lucky charm.
And then, you know, somecommander shows up and he's
like, all right, White, you gotto head up there for your, you
know, practice drills orwhatever.
And he goes and leaves hislucky charm behind and he

(10:39):
immediately dies.
Immediately gets into a plane,just flat out crashes into
another plane, I believe.
You hear a plane take

Carly (10:46):
off and then you hear a plane crash?
Right after.
And Jack and David arecompletely sullen by this person
they just met dying.

Bradley (10:55):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Literally five minutes.
And the commander comes backand he's like, all right, you
got to pack up all the white

Carly (10:58):
stuff.
You got to pack up his stuff.
And they're distraught aboutit.

Bradley (11:02):
Wow.
Brutal.
We should also say there is afifth lead character.
His name was Schlempf.
The problem is, the problem is,is I have no idea what he looks
like.
And like throughout the wholemovie, there would be like this
new white guy on the screen andCarly would be like, oh,
Schlempf.
And so in my head, it would belike, oh, I was like oh Carly
got it I'm like that's Schlempfokay I'm gonna I'm gonna track
it going forward and a couplescenes later like I would be

(11:24):
like I see a new character andCarly be like oh there's

Carly (11:26):
Schlempf it had to have been what an hour and a half
into the movie and Brad's likeyou are so good at picking out
Schlempf and I'm like no Brad Iliterally just pick out any
white guy because I can'tidentify him so we had a
Schlempf a fake Schlempf meterwhere we found him but yeah yeah
he just kind of goes away Ithink

Bradley (11:45):
yeah I truly cannot tell you again what he looks
like or what what the fate ofhis character was by the end of
the movie.
I don't know if he lives, if hedies.
Like, I don't know.
They

Carly (11:53):
do not follow up on Schlimp.
And we should say we missed acouple of key things.
One is the entire movie's insepia tone.
So that did contribute to usnot identifying anyone.
And I think we missed a very,very important piece.
You're so right.
As soon as they get to bootcamp, or should I say butt camp?
Because we see them at thisdesk.

(12:17):
And you know, when you get toboot camp, they like hose you
down and then shave your headsand then they like send you in
this room to get naked and theyfit you for a uniform right

Bradley (12:27):
yeah that's it you get tailored yeah

Carly (12:29):
yeah that's exactly what boot camp is and then they open
this door on screen and in theback you see maybe three male
butts just standing there

Bradley (12:38):
yeah it's all it's almost like a blink and you miss
it you know kind of revealbecause like the focus is like
very much on the like front ofthe camera and these the door
just happens to be in the andthere's just like a row of men's
butts so I know I audibly madea noise upon seeing this I think
we even backed up because Ithink you did miss it initially
Carly yeah

Carly (12:56):
we did I missed the first the first male butt shot
because there was a smaller malebutt shot later and then I said
wait wait wait and you're likeno it was bigger so we did we
rewinded it and yeah so we didwatch the butt scene twice and
in further investigation thiswas the first widely released
film to have nudity in it whichwas male nudity which is amazing
and even more deserving of itaward

Bradley (13:19):
yeah because you and I Carly we had talked about you
know prior to starting theproject like what sort of things
do we want to be tracking andall these best picture winners
like what do we care about andlike we definitely threw out
there like nudity and like I'mfully expecting like we're gonna
see a lot of female nudity alot of boobs so yeah how how
shocked am I to learn that thevery first best picture winner
and it's it's just male nuditythere is no female nudity I

Carly (13:42):
do think we do see side we do see side boob a little bit
I'm pretty sure we do have anip slip at one point

Bradley (13:48):
yeah We'll get to Mary at the intermission, but.

Carly (13:50):
Yeah.
Okay, yeah.
I didn't want to back us up toofar, but I think those are
important points we wanted toget back to.

Bradley (13:56):
No, thank you so much.
I did write men's butts withlike three exclamation points in
my notes when we watched thismovie, so.
Yeah, me

Carly (14:02):
too.
I said men butts in naked room.
Bradley, I put it in quotes,naked room by Bradley Halverson.
So at some point you said, lookat the naked room.

Bradley (14:12):
I also wrote David kisses mom, question mark,
exclamation point.
So, so if you haven't guessed,like Carly and I we're gonna be
like these are some like highlevel thoughts here when it
comes to wings but I appreciateit I mean wings took swings and
you know I really appreciated itwith the male nudity so

Carly (14:31):
one more thing with Schrempf and I do think this was
Schrempf kind of to get us backon track is Schrempf I feel
like his key moment in the moviewas his tattoo right?

Bradley (14:42):
wait that was Schrempf?

Carly (14:43):
I mean I think it was Schrempf I'm like 90% sure that
was Schrempf but either way itwas one of the white men in the
film and at two different pointshe shows off this yeah stars
and stripes tattoo on his bicepso he holds up his arm shows his
bicep and then he like shakeweights his arm up and down so
it like jiggles and

Bradley (15:03):
i don't know the flag is like waving in the way yes

Carly (15:06):
and it was an awkward shot and then they showed the
same shot later in the movie ashe's showing it off to some
women but um so that's part ofshrimp and i i had the tattoo as
an important piece

Bradley (15:15):
yeah i i have a feeling most of this two-hour movie
time is It really was just likemaybe 90 minutes of original
shots and then like 30 minutesof reused, recycled shots.
So yeah, so David and Jack, youknow, this is sort of the
classic wartime montage.
We see them in planes.
They do get into like a bigplane fight with the High Knees

(15:36):
and the German people.
The German guys are bad inWorld War I.

Carly (15:40):
High Knees and Forkers.
Those were the terms.

Bradley (15:43):
Yeah.
And meanwhile, you know, Mary,she's not content just sitting
at home.
You know, she sees an ad in thepaper and decides to join as
like a volunteer ambulancedriver in the military so she
heads off to war too yes queenwe love it

Carly (15:57):
Rosie the Riveter at it in true fighting form

Bradley (16:01):
yeah and again Sylvia still just on the swing set we
imagine we don't see her but weknow that she's there does not
head off to war but Mary doesand yeah so David and Jack
they're like ace pilots you knowthey they're so good they're
they're shooting down all theseGerman planes

Carly (16:16):
and they're best friends now

Bradley (16:17):
yes they're best friends you know um uh you know
war will do that to you and youknow jack's plane is called the
shooting star everybody he'scelebrated and you know there's
uh before we head intointermission you know there's
like a big scene where like youknow the boys are up in the sky
fighting the germans and mary'sdown on the ground in her truck
and she's like heading to thislike nearby town a bunch of

(16:39):
military guys are showing up ialready forgot the name of that
town

Carly (16:42):
mervale

Bradley (16:43):
mervale that's right the mervalians they all show up
and the germans you know dropseveral bombs And Mary just gets
out of her ambulance and justgets underneath it for the bomb
droppings.

Carly (16:53):
All of the military folks had gone underground or
something.
They had noticed it was comingand somehow Mary was left above
ground by herself.
And in very Michael Scottthreat level midnight dodging
bullets, she hides under a carand then she gets out from under
the car and then she goes backunder the car and dodges many

(17:14):
actual bombs coming from anairplane.
She's

Bradley (17:17):
really heroic.
Four or six bombs drop on poorMervale and the Mervalians.
And again, and Mary here, shejust emerges out of the rubble
completely unscathed.
No, no scratches, not bleedingat all.
She just

Carly (17:31):
wipes, wipes some sweat from her head.
And that is it.

Bradley (17:34):
Just in time for all the other military guys to head
out there.
And they're all looking up justin time for, you know, Jack and
the shooting star to like shootdown the final plane.
And everyone's like, whoa,Jack, the shooting star.
And Mary hears this.
She doesn't even realize thatit's her man.
on jack up there being the heroand she like loses it

Carly (17:53):
because the same exact shooting star had been painted
on set on jack's airplane somary's like oh my god

Bradley (18:01):
she's like i i know what that means then he loves me

Carly (18:05):
yes uh

Bradley (18:06):
and that kind of leads us into intermission i believe
like all the all the army guysthey're in france at this point
yeah um with the allies uhagainst the german preparing for
Or the big

Carly (18:18):
push, end quote.
The big push, which is likethe...

Bradley (18:21):
The big push.

Carly (18:22):
Yes, that's what they're preparing for.

Bradley (18:24):
But at this point, they're celebrating their
victory.
You know, we had anintermission.
At this point, Carly and I lookat each other and we're like,
intermission?
Like, that's like, how muchmore time?
So I have like another 90minutes to go.
And we come back fromintermission and it's like
nighttime in Paris.
And Jack and all his armybuddies, they go hit up.
I mean, it has to be like abrothel.
Like, it has to be like a stripclub.

(18:45):
Like a French strip club.
But just think...
1920s version of that.
I guess really it's the 1917version of it.
Mary shows up.
Mary's like on the hunt forJack.
She's like, where is he?
She's talking to severalpeople.
She's getting, you know, clues.
You know, she's cracking thecase here of like, where's Jack?
Finds him at the strip club.
He is completely drunk and withlike, I don't think this

(19:06):
woman's like on his lap, butsomebody like a woman who like
works there, she's keeping himcompany.
And I did read in my littleresearch that Carly, if you
thought Jack was acting in thisentire scene, he was not.
The actor was actually drunkduring the entire scene
apparently I'd like never hadalcohol before and so was
drinking during the scene andwas actually drunk

Carly (19:25):
wow how Hollywood

Bradley (19:27):
I know because it really looks it really looks
like overacting like it reallylooks like

Carly (19:31):
bad drunk like like bad acting and to think that it is
in fact not acting is glad theychanged that in Hollywood

Bradley (19:39):
yeah so the you know you would think that there would
be some female nudity herethere there really isn't a ton
this might be where the sideboob is I can't remember but
Mary mary sees jack here seeshim with this you know floozy
you know um and she's upset shelike doesn't she like get in
disguise here no she likedresses up

Carly (19:56):
um no she actually like gets upset and leaves a little
bit and goes and talks to someyou know

Bradley (20:01):
she like cries in the bathroom right yes

Carly (20:03):
and then

Bradley (20:03):
some woman is like classic female i'll

Carly (20:05):
help you as a classic female bathroom trip would do
girlfriend i will help you andthen mary um they somehow have a
whole new wardrobe and makeupand hair extensions a available
in this bathroom yeah and maryhas a very sandy from greece
moment and comes out justlooking banging a new outfit new
hair is like ready to take onthe town aka jack

Bradley (20:30):
jack yeah and she tries her best she's clearly like
competing with the this otherwoman the floozy um and jack is
like so drunk that he can't evenlook at mary in the eyes like
he he has no idea that this ismary sort of like buzzing around
him you know he when he doesfinally look at her like the
camera shows you his like povand it's all blurry because he's

(20:51):
not so drunk and he's alsocompletely distracted by like i
guess they opened some likechampagne bottles and and like
bubbles these like cgi bubbleslike come out of the bottle and
jack loses his mind like heloves these bubbles he cannot
believe it he thinks it's thefunniest most amazing thing he's
ever seen in the world thesebubbles there's

Carly (21:11):
actually a speech you know slide because sometimes
they would show just slides withspeech on them and it said
hooray for bubbles that was wasa quote for from drunk jack um
and really explains the next 20minutes of the whole movie

Bradley (21:22):
yeah this was a long segment of at this like paris
french club whatever in thebubbles and eventually like mary
finds a way to get rid of thefloozy they're all kind of like
walking back i guess to jack'shotel room or wherever it is
where he's sleeping but at thispoint it's just mary and jack
and jack again has nounderstanding that this is mary
with him doesn't recognize herdoesn't see her which is really

(21:44):
a theme of the whole movie rightlike he's not really seeing her
ever

Carly (21:47):
Wow, what a good interpretation.

Bradley (21:49):
Thank you.
Thank you.
I just came up with that on myown.
He unfortunately did see thatcracked selfie she tried to give
him in the beginning.
So he did see her there,unfortunately for her.
But so it's very weird.
Like they get back to the roomand it's sort of like, I don't
really know what Mary is likehoping that happens here.
Like if he's going to just belike, hey, you know, I'm in love
with you.
But he really just passes outon the bed.

Carly (22:11):
He does see bubbles come out of the bed for a little bit.
He looks around the room, seesbubbles come out of the bedpost.

Bradley (22:17):
Yep.

Carly (22:17):
And then, yeah, just kind of passes out in his bed.

Bradley (22:21):
And Mary's like, oh, and I guess also too, like it's
being revealed to us, theviewer, that like the boys have
to like go back to work or likethe big push is like here
already.
Like it's the next morning.
And Mary knows thisinformation, but Jack doesn't
because he's drunk and now he'sasleep.
But she kind of puts thenotice, I think, on his like
nightstand.
And then she, there's a verybizarre segment where she like,
you know, he's passed out.

(22:42):
She's still in the room.
She puts up like a curtain andshe proceeds to like dress back
into her normal clothes.

Carly (22:47):
And this is where the nip slip, I have in my notes, this
is where the nip slip happens.
Just for our viewers, if theywant to go back and see both
nudities.

Bradley (22:56):
Yeah, so Mary's in the middle of changing and just
happens, these two military guysshow up to let Jack know, I
guess, that the big push iscoming.
But instead, they open the doorand find Mary dressing and they
immediately are like, you'refired, Mary.
Go back to the United States.

Carly (23:13):
Undressing in a room behind a very...
covered area while thismilitary man is passed out on
his bed because he drank toomuch.
It was like they were appalledthat she was there and doing
anything at all.

Bradley (23:27):
Not only do they fire her from being a volunteer
ambulance driver in themilitary, but they put it in the
newspaper.
Jack sees this later in thefilm in the newspaper that Mary
was sent back to the UnitedStates.

Carly (23:40):
It literally says Mary Preston sent back to the United
States will no longer be servingduties in the military.
And it was in this littlesnippet like it can't have cost
very much for the military butthey did take out the ad in the
newspaper for it yeah

Bradley (23:54):
yeah this is a

Carly (23:55):
french newspaper by the way

Bradley (23:56):
yeah so mary is kind of you know gonna be pretty much
absent for most of the rest ofthe movie until the very end but
uh we pretty much proceedstraight into like the big push
where now you know jack anddavid gotta um suit up you know
get back in their planes um andfight some more germans and
before prior to that happeningwe do get some like some good

(24:16):
interpersonal you know dramawhere you know David sort of
discovers Jack's you know littlelucky charm he gets the locket
he sees that he had Sylvia'sphoto but there's the letter
with it that basically says likeSylvia always loved David she
never loved Jack and so thatreally is like wow David's like
I have something to fight for Iguess still and him and Jack

(24:38):
really don't like get into itthey don't beef too hard about
this David I think kind of keepsthis knowledge to himself I
don't think he really reveals toJack in that moment that

Carly (24:46):
oh

Bradley (24:46):
hey like It's not for you.
It's for me.
But this is important because Ido think it distracts David
enough as they head off intotheir planes that David forgets
his very important lucky charm,his little teddy bear.
The bear thing.
The bear keychain thing thathis mother lover gave him.
So yeah, so this is importantbecause they head up into their
planes.
A lot of action sequences atthis point.

(25:09):
Planes are getting shot down.
Carly and I are doing our bestto track like, okay, which ones
are the bad planes and whichones are the good planes.

Carly (25:16):
And we should say for a 1920 really six film yeah or 26
27 these effects are very goodand I'm sure at the time people
watch this movie like wow like Idon't know how they did a lot
of the shots I have no clue backin the 1920s but they were very
good

Bradley (25:33):
yeah I will you know the one thing I want to say
about the director Willie MaeWellman is that he was like
specifically picked to directthis project because he was the
only one in Hollywood whoactually had combat experience
in World War I and was actuallya pilot in and I think it really
shows because like even thoughI know nothing about the army I
know nothing about army tacticsor maneuvers or what's
historically accurate butwatching these sequences in the

(25:55):
planes like it felt veryauthentic to me and it felt very
like it was impressive for a1927 film I was like this it did
not look the bubbles lookedworse than the plane is I think
that and I think you know we'rethankful for it because they
somehow got

Carly (26:10):
like shots of missiles falling out of airplanes and
like shooting which like today Iget it with drones and stuff
but like how did willie do itamazing

Bradley (26:20):
how did yeah william a well how did how did he do it
but so things are getting reallyintense it's you know we're
clearly reaching the climaticmoment of the movie and david's
plane does go down um in enemyterritory and he is presumed
dead but we the viewers learnedvery quickly that no he did
survive the plane crash he justis now kind of navigating on

(26:43):
foot in enemy territory but jackgets the news that david is
dead He's very sad, but he'slike, you know, the mission
still goes on, whatever.
He gets back in the plane to goshoot down some more Germans.
And David, you know, kudos tohim.
He really, you know, fights hisway through a horde of German
soldiers.
Called Doughboys.
Yes, yep.

(27:03):
Finds this kind of like nearby,I don't know if village is the
right, or like a base, base campor something, but sees a row of
German planes there.
So he gets into one and fliesoff.
And I remember saying to you,Carly, I was like, uh-oh.

Carly (27:16):
Yeah.
You did.
You called us and said, oh mygosh, Jack is going to think.

Bradley (27:20):
And we know that David doesn't have the teddy bear,
right?
So you can, I'm sure you, thelistener, you can see where this
is going.
But Jack, he's so good at hisjob.

Carly (27:27):
Right.
And just a good thing I want tosay is at the military base,
the German military base, Ithink there's like a little
scuffle and they're like kindof, you know, like fighting a
little bit and talking.
And at one point Bradley said,I can't believe this is what men
used to do.
And now we're drag queens.

Bradley (27:45):
Yeah.
I was thinking too like thesepia tone that the whole movie
is in was very much like seasonone of a little bit like the old
old

Carly (27:54):
shows old meaning like

Bradley (27:56):
yes

Carly (27:57):
early 2000s that I don't want to watch because they're
not in HD yeah

Bradley (28:00):
yeah exactly yeah it was a little tough

Carly (28:02):
but yes then so then we're at this military base and
David sees the plane and saysI'm going to get it

Bradley (28:08):
gets in takes off um you know I'm sure the the
audiences in 1927 they were alllike in the theater hooping and
hollering they're like DavidYay.
But then here comes Jack.
Little did they know.
Jack sees a lone German planeout there and is like, not
today.
And shoots David out of thesky.
Not knowing that it's hisbuddy, his pal, his lover,

(28:31):
really.

Carly (28:31):
And David had...
Obviously, David knew and seesJack in the plane.
And it's trying to like wavelike, no, Jack, it's me.
Hey,

Bradley (28:42):
don't.
You're a lover.
Don't

Carly (28:43):
do that.
Hey,

Bradley (28:45):
bad vibes, dude.
Right,

Carly (28:46):
right, right, right.
But the shooting star prevailedand did shoot down David's
plane.

Bradley (28:50):
Yes.
And he kind of crash lands intolike a random person's house.
It's this like older womancarrying a 36 month old child.

Carly (29:00):
A very cute little kid that Bradley somehow believes
looks like the little girl fromthe ring and I don't understand

Bradley (29:06):
no I said she is Renesmee Cullen but the CGI
version

Carly (29:10):
yeah

Bradley (29:11):
in whichever Breaking Dawn it is this also

Carly (29:13):
will I'm sure be a theme in our 96 episodes but Brad has
Brad does not like any childactor any child really even in
real life not a big fan ofchildren yeah but child actors
will never impress Brad andhe'll never like them so

Bradley (29:27):
yeah yeah she was scary we can we can we can track the
child actors we'll see if any ofthem actually you know turn out
some performances that I canget on board for but Silent
Creepy Annabelle Girl I wasn'tvibing

Carly (29:40):
with and she also had no part in the movie she literally
was just there to like be cuteand like stand there and show
like oh there's still innocencein the world and Bradley thinks
that she ruined the whole film

Bradley (29:50):
I'm telling you the shot was scary the mother
standing there she's holding thechild the child's like facing
the mother and it was very likeexorcist style her neck just
does a 360 and turns and looksback at you like directly at the
camera it was it was spooky sothis is the house that David
just kind of crashed Lance intowith the plane and Jack sort of
he touches down everybody'sinitially celebrating but then

(30:12):
Jack sees that it's David andsuddenly this heroic moment
turns to tragedy as you knowthey get David out of the German
plane he's you know despite thefact that I feel like there was
no blood or anything David'sclearly not doing well laying
there feeble and Jack is thereby his side holding holding his

(30:32):
head supporting him there's alot of petting of the hair a

Carly (30:35):
long embrace hair caressing and then it happens

Bradley (30:38):
david's like yeah david's like no worries it's all
cool like i get it i had agreat time i forgot my bear
that's really why this happenedand and then yeah jack goes in
for the kiss

Carly (30:50):
goes in very very like romeo and juliet david is laying
down and jack takes himembraces him and leans in for
what i wrote down as a cornermouth kiss

Bradley (31:01):
yeah it was very much on the corner it was like cloud
like sort of like two straightactors having to do a gay kiss
like initially like maybe in the90s a little bit but it
definitely is there's definitelylip-to-lip contact there and it
like lasts like a beat oh yeahthey they took their time not as

Carly (31:16):
passionate as David and his mom but definitely more
passionate than some otherkisses we've seen in films for
sure between between people andrelationships

Bradley (31:25):
it is debated too like is this really the first
instance of like a gay kiss incinema and there's there is some
debate about it but for me youknow this was obviously the most
exciting part of the wholemovie.

Carly (31:35):
What about the

Bradley (31:36):
butts?

Carly (31:37):
Even more?

Bradley (31:38):
Better than the butts.
I mean, this was like passion.
You know, you could just feeloff these two men.
They really loved each other.
And it was more just about likebeing bonded in war and tragedy
and trauma.
It was rooted in somethingreal, something gay.

Speaker 02 (31:50):
Yeah.

Bradley (31:51):
So unfortunately, you know, it's the kiss of death
because David's like, you know,dead.

Carly (31:57):
While Jack and this woman and her demon child apparently
watch.

Bradley (32:02):
The Annabelle child.
Yeah.
yep

Carly (32:04):
oh my

Bradley (32:05):
god we we cut to the ending jack returns as like a
war hero i mean there's paradesit's like it's like when the
calves won you know that biggame in 2016 like there's
parades on the streets and butjack you can see it on his face
jack does not look super youknow happy or celebratory um you
can tell he's in his feelingsbut he heads off to david's rich

(32:27):
family's home the mansion idon't even think we see sylvia
at this

Speaker 02 (32:32):
moment

Bradley (32:32):
but she's you you know where you know where sylvia is
on the

Speaker 02 (32:35):
swing

Bradley (32:37):
so jack goes to visit david's parents you know his
mother lover and she's all likeoh it's okay we forgive you you
know war war is tough yeah youknow

Carly (32:46):
it happens

Bradley (32:47):
we get it it happens and um you get the sense that
like david he's or not davidjack is a changed man war has
changed it actually

Carly (32:56):
said on screen when he comes back it said a man
returning where a boy had goneaway so that's very exactly very
much explained his vibes whenhe comes back

Bradley (33:05):
and this is evident when he returns home and of
course mary's still there in hisdriveway and he finally sees
her i'm

Carly (33:11):
sorry really quick before we get to mary yeah did jack
not bring back david's bear

Bradley (33:15):
you know i i did have that thought i was like did he
return the bear to his likemother i

Carly (33:19):
do i because i feel like when when david leaves before
they go and do the big push ithink he leaves the bear but
then jack's like i'm gonna takethis yeah and then or something
like that and then i do think hegives the bear keychain back to
the mom.
But you'll have to watch tofind out because I don't know
for sure.

Bradley (33:38):
Yeah.
A little peek behind thecurtain.
Carly and I watched this movieseveral weeks ago prior to
filming this.
Yeah, we did not just watch.
And our notes, now we know weshould probably take more
copious notes.
Yeah.
moving forward i will say youand i had a blast watching this

Carly (33:51):
oh we did

Bradley (33:52):
uh let me let me just wrap it up because yeah jack
jack heads home a changed manyou know no longer a boy but a
man now and he finally sees maryand he sees you know finally
what he hasn't seen before and ireally do think it's a it's a
reflection of like the fact thatlike he is very much a
different guy from the beginningto the end of the film uh that
war changed him you know and i'msure that's going to be a

(34:12):
common theme in all these warmovies um that we're loves a war
movie and the Academy loves amusical so but yeah so you can
you can kind of get the sensethat Mary gets her happy ending
here and and then the film endsright

Carly (34:29):
off in

Bradley (34:29):
the shooting star the shooting star so yeah I would
say I I enjoyed it like themovie the movie achieved what I
needed all movies to achieve tobe entertaining and I was really
like you know you and I you weagree that we're not going to go
in chronological order withthese best picture winners we're
going to jump around but wefelt like it was the right move
to start with the very first oneand i think we both were sort

(34:51):
of like a silent movie a warmovie whatever but there was
actually like quite a few thingsto chew on and a few things
that like were interesting and ithink i think it's clear to me
why it won best picture althoughat the first academy awards the
category was outstandingpicture which actually sounds
nicer in my opinion but so ithink it's a it's a clear reason

(35:12):
why it went just for thetechnical feat of it all it did
have i think the soundtrack wasadded in later so like Like, you
know, there's certainly nodialogue in the movie, but there
is all this like swelling,sweeping musical score
throughout the whole movieduring all those like tense, you
know, plain action sequences.
And so, yeah, I feel like Ienjoyed it quite more than I
thought I was going to.
What about you, Carly?

(35:32):
Yeah,

Carly (35:33):
I very much enjoyed it.
I was impressed with how muchwas going on with such few like
key characters.
And I will say throughout you,there was a good amount of
reading throughout only becausethey would maybe, you know, once
a minute at least show like alittle screen with words on it
that you would sometimes haddialogue sometimes had little
like explanatory words but yeahso there was a little bit of

(35:54):
that but for being a silentmovie I still was intrigued by a
few different pieces of thestoryline and at the end too it
it had depth and it surprised meat the end

Bradley (36:05):
yeah so there's a few few different things I want to
touch on really about the thefirst Academy Awards did a
little you know mini deep divethe first Academy Awards
happened in 1929 but it wascovering films that were
released in 1927 and 1928 so wedo see this in like the first
six years or so of the academyawards it's like covering like a
two-year period and thateventually gets rectified and we

(36:28):
just at the time that we'rerecording this is 2025 we just
had the 97th um academy awardsso we're getting close to the
big 100 which is i think it'sexciting timing for this project
and for this podcast kind oflike a lead-in to whatever that
100th best picture winner isgoing to be i'm so curious but
it's interesting because likethe 100th ceremony is going to
take place in 2028 and that'sbecause um There were two

(36:49):
Academy.
There's two Oscars in 1930.
It's the only year that had theceremony twice.
And so we are off by a year.
But the first one does happenin 1929.
But Wings came out in 1927.
So and it wins, you know,Outstanding Picture against only
two other movies.
There's only three moviesnominated in this whole
category.
There was a movie called TheRacket, which was a crime drama

(37:11):
and a movie called SeventhHeaven, which was a romance
drama starring Janet Gaynor,which always appears in
crossword plays.
puzzle clues, Janet Gaynor.
And Seventh Heaven actually waslike the big winner of the
night.
It was nominated for fivedifferent categories and won
three different categories, butjust didn't secure Best Picture.
And the director of Wings,William A.

(37:33):
Wellman, I gotta say the fullname, he wasn't even nominated
for Best Picture, which I thinkthat's unusual.
I think most people whodirected a movie that's
nominated for Best Picture arealso maybe in that Best Director
category.
I could be wrong about that.
I'll be curious to track that.

Carly (37:46):
And we should say all three nominees were a silent
films

Bradley (37:49):
yeah

Carly (37:49):
i think seventh heaven had a little like more music
originally to it had like moreof a score when it was
originally released but theywere all silent

Bradley (37:56):
but we will not be watching or discussing those
because they're big losers andwe only deal with the

Carly (38:01):
other half of the the movie spectrum yeah the bad half

Bradley (38:04):
the lesser half

Carly (38:05):
not the better half

Bradley (38:06):
not the better half

Carly (38:08):
exactly

Bradley (38:09):
um wings also wins in another category the best
engineering effects and i thinkwell deserved but yeah i mean
carly what what did you whatcame up in your you know mini
deep dive research

Carly (38:19):
yeah i took deep dives into the actors mostly um they
there were four main actorsbilled at the beginning of the
film um obviously our jack ourdavid our mary and then our
swing and sylvia um all thoseare all their character names as
soon as we heard about wings iof course went to the wikipedia
page and the first thing i sawwas the leading lady and her

(38:42):
name in the movie mary prestonbut in real life is clara bow
and all of my swifties out thereare going to know that that is
on her most recent torturedpoets department um album it's a
song title it's called clarabow and it's basically about
just how different wings it'sabout wings um no it's about how

(39:02):
like new people in theentertainment industry are
always compared to older peopleso It's like, you look like
Clara Bow and then it continuesto progress in the song to newer
artists.
So Clara Bow is the title ofthe song.
So I was like, ooh, Clara Bow.
And the more I dove into ClaraBow and it said that she, this
film actually originally did nothave Clara Bow, I'm sorry, Mary

(39:26):
Preston as much at the centerof it.
It was just a war movie andClara Bow said, I will be in it
if you rewrite it to feature mea little bit more.
Yeah, so she, I know, she wasbasically a woman boss even in
the 1920s they existed she wasone um it there is a quote here
that she said to the directorthis is a man's picture and i'm

(39:47):
just the whipped cream on top ofthe pie at the before he
rewrote it so she really wastrying to get a little bit more
for the girlies which we'll talkabout yeah um and i think she
probably did i can't imaginewhat it would have been before
this it probably wouldn't havehad as much i don't know i guess
they would have just removedthat love story a little bit
maybe clarabo was the onlyswinging lady and then they
added like a little bit ofsomething else and I don't know

Bradley (40:09):
yeah I could easily see a world here where they kept
both Mary and Sylvia just thereat the beginning and then the
boys go off to war and then therest of the movie is just the
boys at war so I do I almost seeeverything that Mary does being
the ambulance driver and eventhe god awful bubble segment
like like probably was due toher and credit to her and in

(40:29):
fighting for that I love that

Carly (40:30):
yeah so that was like a big thing that I loved and then
another thing about Clara Bowthat I was reading about is um
Betty Boop was actually modeledafter Clara Bow.
And if you look at a lot ofphotos of Clara Bow, she has
that like poofy hair.
She has the like very 1920slips.
Like who am I thinking of fromDrag Race?

(40:52):
Suzy Toot.
Oh, Suzy Toot.
Very Suzy Toot lip makeup.
Yes, exactly.
So yeah, Clara Bow, I think,which is probably a little bit
more of a reason why she had asong from Taylor Swift, not a
whole song to her is she justseems like a really fascinating
woman of the 1920s.
So that was a big thing.
Yeah.
And then the only other thingthat I saw, two other things.
So Jack Powell was played byCharles Rogers, also known as

(41:15):
Buddy Rogers, who I was like,oh, that name sounds familiar.
And people called him America'sboyfriend because he was just a
very popular actor.
And my boyfriend.
Right.
We all, we really liked him alittle more than David.
We compared David to CreepyThin Man from Charlie's Angels.
That was how, because with thesepia tones, we couldn't tell
them apart all the time.
So we did have to associatethings with them so yeah big fan

(41:40):
and about Buddy Rogers he wasborn in Olathe Kansas and Kansas
you say Kansas I say and hewent to wait for it the
University of Kansas which isthe right state wrong school in
our opinion as K-State alumsyeah I thought that was cool so
he basically grew up rightaround the place that the two of

(42:00):
us met and our love storystarted so yeah so that was big
and then the only other thing Ifound about the actors are David
who's played by Richard Arlenand Sylvia who's played by
Jabina Ralston they were marriedin real life

Bradley (42:15):
oh my god I

Carly (42:16):
know and then apparently Richard just sat by as Jabina
got very little screen time andmaybe showed up for three days
of filming I would assume

Bradley (42:26):
yeah well I I think they had good chemistry on
screen yeah it was it was notthe romance I was as invested in
as I was although you know Ifeel like Mary girl I mean
there's so many red flags herewith Jack oh but you know the
heart wants what it wants blahblah blah but you know and of
course you know Jack and Davidare the actual you know on
screen chemistry and romance butthat is interesting

Carly (42:47):
yeah so those were all good things I found and I yeah
it was fun to look into allthese older folk I'm interested
to see if we'll see them inother early on winners you know
people be like oh my god there'sblah blah blah so we'll have to
see

Bradley (43:00):
yeah I yeah that'll be interesting thing to track of
course we're gonna be likejumping around in time right
yeah we're not gonna go inchronological order but yeah it
will be fun to kind of stop downyou know whenever we do get to
those you know the second youknow Best Picture winner and the
third and the fourth you know Ithink it's gonna be fun to sort
of prognosticate sort of likewhat was going on during the
time like what are these winnersin close proximity say about

(43:21):
the times you know I think likesomething like Wings makes a lot
of sense for the first BestPicture winner just given the
subject matter and the fact thatyou know this was covering
events that happened 10 yearsbefore but probably still fresh
on the minds of the peoplewatching this movie and so like
I bet that's probably like gonnabe a clear pattern for us to
see you know what resonates withthe audience or really the
Academy voters I guess you knowat that particular time like why

(43:44):
did this win best picture and Ifeel like I can I can see that
very clearly just given thesubject matter so and from that
I want to segue us to oursegment which we're calling who
is this for Carly and I aregoing to answer this question
based on a demographic group towhich we belong to and what

(44:07):
Whether or not...
So I will be answering for thegays.
Carly will answer for thegirls.
Whether or not we think Wingsis for the gays is Wings for the
girls.
And I will go first.
And I will unabashedly say thatWings is for the gays.
Okay?
You might think I'm crazy.
Okay?
You may disagree.
Initially, your gut instinctmight be like, Brad, whoa, whoa,

Carly (44:27):
whoa.
It's a war movie, Brad.

Bradley (44:29):
It's a war movie.
Silence.
I'm telling you.
Just like Carly said at thestart of this podcast.
As soon as you Google Wings,you're going to be led to that
gay kiss.

Carly (44:37):
Yeah.

Bradley (44:37):
And with the men's butts, that was the whipped
cream on top of this wholemovie.
You know, we got male nudity.
We got men kissing.
You know, it really writesitself.
This movie is for the gays.
Thumbs up.

Carly (44:51):
Yeah.
Are you impressed slashsurprised that the first winner
is for the gays?

Bradley (44:56):
I'm very surprised.
I really am.
Because I just assume at thetop of my head, I'm like, wow,
okay, it'll just be Moonlightthat is for the gays.

Carly (45:04):
90 years later.

Bradley (45:07):
Yeah.
So yeah, I am pleasantlysurprised.
I'm happy with the gayrepresentation in this movie,
even though I'm sure the 1920audiences would strongly
disagree with me.

Carly (45:18):
Oh yeah, I wonder what the reception was with that.

Bradley (45:21):
You know, I bet they all looked at that scene and was
like, oh, of course.
Like, oh, two good friends.
Brotherly love.
Wow, he really was there.
War does that to

Carly (45:28):
us.
Yeah.

Bradley (45:29):
Yes.
That's true.
Carly, is it for the girls?

Carly (45:33):
You know, Brad, it's interesting because after seeing
and hearing that Clara did somuch to make it more for the
girls I would say you know as agirl I enjoyed watching it do I
think this movie was made forthe girls no

Bradley (45:47):
no

Carly (45:47):
but so in general no I don't think it's for the girls
but if you do want to see anearly portrayal of I don't know
I don't even say a strong womanbecause she did a lot but she
also just kind of followedaround this man the whole time
so no I don't think it's for thegirls honestly I do think girls
slash women can watch it 100%and enjoy it but But I don't

(46:07):
think this is for the girls.

Bradley (46:09):
There we have it.
And so before we reveal to youwhat episode two is, Carly and I
are going to do our best toboth rate this movie and also
put it into a ranking tier.
And so for our rating system,it's going to be out of five.
No halfsies either.
No three and a half nonsense.
We're going to choose an emojifor each movie, a unique emoji

(46:30):
for each Best Picture winner togive out a five.
And so we have decided on thebubble emoji, of course.
Of course.
Only fitting.
And I'm giving Wings a solidthree out of five bubbles.
What about you, Carly?

Carly (46:42):
I agree.
I think three bubbles is a goodranking for this film.
I don't think it's a two.
I definitely don't think it's afour.
I think three is a good sweetspot.

Bradley (46:50):
Again, I think if you were to seek this movie out, I
think you would find itentertaining.
I think there is somethingabout it that you could watch.
And will I ever desire to watchthis movie again?
Probably not.
But I'm happy to have seen itand that this project allowed us
to watch this movie where Iotherwise maybe never would have
watched it.
watch this.

Carly (47:07):
Never, ever, ever.

Bradley (47:09):
Never, ever, ever.
And for our ranking, so we'renot going to try and do this
sort of like 1 through 97.
We're going to try and putthese into a tier group.
If you've ever done one ofthose tier makers online, we're
going to be following a similarkind of structure where we have
the S tier at the top.
These are the truly elite, ourtop favorites.

(47:29):
And then we have basically an Athrough F tier.
And so Carly and I are going todo our best to agree, put it
into one particular tier carlyany initial thoughts about where
we should rank this

Carly (47:41):
a through f yes a being good yes being

Bradley (47:45):
yeah not good

Carly (47:46):
freaking not good um i mean at first watch so that
means like c is a middle middleground

Bradley (47:53):
yeah and you can argue like do we need so many tiers
but if we if we only had like ab and c and the s tier like you
know i don't want 50 movies inone tier you know like that's
that'd be crazy

Carly (48:04):
sorry what's the s tier is that like the best

Bradley (48:06):
yeah i I don't know what the S stands for, but yeah.

Carly (48:09):
Satisfactory?
Yeah.
So we have S, A, B, C, D, E, F.
Yes.
Oh my gosh.
Okay.
Can we just say one throughseven?

Bradley (48:19):
Well, it's like letter grade, you know, with an E, you
know, we can get rid of the E ifyou want.

Carly (48:26):
Right.
The E.
Yeah, you're right.
Okay.
Um, let me see.
I'm going to write these downjust so I can see a visual.

Bradley (48:31):
I'm leaning towards.

Carly (48:33):
Give me, give me 20 minutes to write down all these
numbers.

Bradley (48:37):
Oh my God.
It's S A B C D E F.
It's an alphabetical orderstarting with S.
Okay.

Carly (48:42):
Okay.
And I'm finally done writingthat.
One, two.
Okay.
I would say it's a D.
I don't think it's top, tophalf tier.
Okay.
In my opinion.
What do you think?

Bradley (48:50):
Yeah, my first instinct is to put it into that C
category.
But knowing like this is ourfirst one.
And I will also say thisrankings could be fluid.
You know, we may get to latermovies or and we might make some
adjustments down the line.
So just letting our listenersknow like this is fluid.
Our ratings are pretty muchlocked in.
But in terms of the rankings, Iwant to allow for some like

(49:10):
fluidity a little bit.
You know, Carly?

Carly (49:12):
Now, Bradley, about for our listeners and for me, do all
of these tiers have to fill upcompletely?
No.
Okay.
So there can be differentamounts in different tiers.
Like we might not see any Fmovies.

Bradley (49:23):
Correct.
And that's fine.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
It's just, it's there as anoption.
And, you know, you know, withus ranking 90, you know, plus
movies, you know, that's why,you know, I want there to be
enough tier levels that like, wecan have a clear idea of like,
these were our favorites.
You know, these, these chunksof movies were in this kind of
group or category.
We feel the same or similarlyabout these groups of movies
that are in the D as opposed tothe C or whatever.

(49:44):
But like, well, we have astrong understanding of what's
the difference between a C or aD.
Maybe not so much but like youknow it's all arbitrary anyways
it's just for us you know

Carly (49:52):
it's just for us which is what this podcast is for us so
and for you our listeners

Bradley (49:57):
yeah yeah if you're listening carly i'm going to
agree with you i think we shouldput it in the d tier

Carly (50:02):
yay

Bradley (50:02):
certainly there was a lot of d in the movie so i think
it's fitting

Carly (50:06):
oh you're right

Bradley (50:07):
yeah so love that carly is there anything else you want
to discuss about wings beforewe reveal our episode two movie
um

Carly (50:16):
No, I don't think so.
It was a good movie.
I'm glad we watched it.
I'm glad I never have to watchit again.

Bradley (50:21):
And again, if you are going to follow us along on this
journey, you can find Wings onYouTube.
Unfortunately, you won't beable to find every public
domain.
Honestly, I think the firstcouple Best Picture winners are
in the public domain, whichtells us pretty much every year
the next movie is going to be inthe public domain, which is
kind of scary.
It's kind of wild to think thatthis movie came out 98 years
ago, and you and I here arepodcasting about it nearly 100

(50:44):
years later.

Carly (50:45):
Clearly Clarabelle would probably didn't even dream of
this.

Bradley (50:48):
Claire's like a woman podcasting, like groundbreaking,
you know?
She would think you're apioneer, Carly.
She really would.

Carly (50:55):
Totally.

Bradley (50:56):
okay well um i think we're ready to kind of wrap
things up and let you all knowin case you want to watch this
movie um before you listen toour podcast if you want to
follow us along but again we'renot going in chronological order
we are doing kind of a randomnumber generator and picking a
movie from a couple of optionsso um for episode two carly and

(51:17):
i will be covering

Carly (51:19):
oliver

Bradley (51:22):
exclamation point

Carly (51:23):
oliver

Bradley (51:26):
oliver with an exclamation point um which i
believe is a musical from

Carly (51:31):
and directed by wait for it a woman

Bradley (51:34):
really yeah

Carly (51:36):
unless carol reed's a man oh my god

Bradley (51:38):
it is carol reed is a man unfortunately and i did make
the same mistake as i was goingthrough you know so oh my

Carly (51:44):
god

Bradley (51:45):
peek behind the curtain for our listeners but i filled
out an entire spreadsheet anddid a whole column for the
directors and i was curiousmyself like when do we get to
our first woman who directed abest picture woman and i get to
the name carol and i'm like hereit is.

Carly (51:58):
there

Bradley (51:58):
she is she's arrived mother's here and it's just
another white dude

Carly (52:04):
oh my gosh man I fell for it maybe that's how they won is
because all these voters werelike oh I'm voting for her

Bradley (52:12):
yeah

Carly (52:13):
you know

Bradley (52:13):
yeah we will okay so my bad we're gonna get into it we
can either wipe

Carly (52:17):
that from the episode

Bradley (52:18):
or whatever no I think that's funny I think we're
keeping that in so um yep thisis the 1968 film classic Oliver
with an exclamation point soyeah join us next time where
Carly and I are gonna go intothe deep end with Oliver

Carly (52:34):
Oliver thank

Bradley (52:35):
you so much for listening and see you later bye

Carly (52:39):
I love you