#140 Finding Yarn When It’s Less Available In Your Area

Do you live where craft stores and yarn shops are few and far between?

Does this limit your creativity and motivation to start new crochet or knitting projects? You're certainly not alone.

In this episode of The BHooked Podcast you'll hear from Caitie Moore, talented designer and crochet addict located in Cape Town, South Africa where yarn resources are a bit limited. In order to grow in her craft and pursue her passion as a designer, Caitie had to be resourceful to create patterns and projects she loves. She shares tips for finding and substituting yarn in patterns, ordering online as well as some clever projects for those one or two special hanks in your stash that weren't easy to get.


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Brittany's primary goal is to inspire you and help you grow in your craft with The BHooked Podcast. Through her own stories and the stories of each special guest, you'll discover tips and tricks to improve your crochet and knitting skills and find inspiration to achieve your hobby goals. When you want to kick back and learn from yarn industry experts, grab some yarn and turn on The BHooked Podcast. There's never a shortage of all things crochet, knitting or yarn.

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Episode Transcript

Brittany (00:00):
You're listening to the Be Hooked Podcast, episode
140, with Brittany.
Hi there! Welcome to episode140 of the Be Hooked Podcast.

(00:34):
I'm your host, Brittany.
If you're brand new to theshow, welcome.
It's a joy to have you here.
If you are a lover of yarn andcrochet and knitting and
everything that comes withthat...
You're in the right place.
And if you've been around herefor a while, well, hey there, my
friend.
I'm so glad you're joining metoday.
And I think you'll really lovetoday's episode.

(00:56):
Now, this was one of thosechats where it was just like two
friends talking about the thingthey love.
So whether you're a designer, amaker, a blogger, or none of
those things, just somebody whoreally enjoys crochet, I know
you'll find something valuablein today's show.
So I had the chance to chatwith Katie from Thorsby Cottage.

(01:20):
I'll have all of herinformation in the show notes,
by the way, so you can connectwith her after hearing the
episode.
But I found her to beincredibly inspiring because not
only is she a very talenteddesigner, but she's also
somebody who has to beincredibly resourceful with
finding the tools, the yarn thatshe needs for her projects and

(01:41):
her designs.
So we talked quite a bit aboutthat, her story, how she got
into crochet And then we sort ofgeek out a little bit about
granny squares and the types ofprojects that we like to create
with them.
So it really is just a funconversation between two people
who love crochet and who loveyarn.
And I'm so glad that you get tobe a little fly on the wall to

(02:05):
hearing that chat.
So before we get to it, thereare a couple of resources that
Katie mentions.
She's got a couple of bookscoming up here recently
featuring granny squares.
And so I will have thatinformation in the show notes
page for this episode.
You can find that atbehooked.com slash 140.
And let's just get to it, shallwe?

(02:25):
Here's Katie from ThorsbyCottage.
Katie, welcome to the Be Hookedpodcast.
Thank you so much for joiningme today.
Thank you so much for havingme.
It's wonderful to be here.
It is a wonderful pleasure.
I am so excited about thisconversation because I know
we'll get into some things thatis a real struggle for a lot of
people.
There are certainly listenersoutside the US who I'm sure are

(02:49):
going through some of thisthemselves and I think you're
sort of like a great shininglight in the community and I'm
just really glad to share someof the stuff that you have going
on and some of the solutionsthat you have to some of the
problems and struggles thatyou've had recently and I'm I am
just excited about this.
Let's start off though with alittle bit about you.

(03:12):
I would love to give people achance just to hear how you got
into crochet.
Wow.
So

Caitie (03:18):
I learned how to crochet when I was about 12 during a
craft class that we had atschool.
And I'd made one project.
It was a little granny squareknee blanket.
And that was all that I did.
And I put down my...
I only had one crochet hook atthe time.
And I put it down and carriedon with my life.

(03:39):
And then took on a verynon-straight career path, I
suppose.
I know...
I know that you've got abackground in science as well,
which is really cool.
It's a lovely point to connecton.
And I did a master's inscience, studied for seven
years, got to the end of myseven years of study, and then
went into the working world andworked completely unrelated to

(04:03):
the science degree that Istudied.
I was in software development.
And at that time, fell pregnantwith my son and decided, and I
think this origin story isprobably similar to a lot of the
other designers that are outthere, but wanted to make
something for my son.
I've always been someone who'senjoyed making things, whether

(04:28):
it's making and baking andcooking in the kitchen or
painting something or...
In this case, crocheting.
And yeah, so I picked up myhook, my one little hook, and
delved into the world ofamigurumi and made some little
soft toys for my son.
And yeah, so that's how I gotback into crocheting.

(04:48):
And that's how Goresby Cottagewas born.
Wonderful.
So how long ago was that?
That was, so my son was born in2016 and I started probably
about six months before he wasborn.
So probably end of 2015, butThor's Pea Cottage probably
started in 2016.

Brittany (05:08):
Gotcha.
Okay.
So there was quite a bit of abreak between when you first
learned and when you sort ofpicked it back up again.
Was it difficult to sort ofrelearn or was it like riding a
bike and you just picked it upand you knew exactly what to do?

Caitie (05:22):
A bit of both, actually.
So we've got some knitters inthe family, but no one who
crochets.
So I don't have a grandparentor anything like that who I
could ask to teach me.
My mum is really, reallycrafty, and she does all sorts
of amazing things like jewellerydesign and painting, but fibre

(05:42):
arts, she does not do.
So I had no one that I couldreally ask to Thank goodness for
YouTube because, man, I learneda lot by just watching
tutorials and reading blog postsand things like that.
So, yeah, that helped because Ithink at school I hadn't

(06:03):
learned how to do singlecrochet.
I had just done very, verystandard chain stitch and double
crochet granny squares.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
Took a bit of time to get backinto it.

Brittany (06:17):
Yeah, I bet.
So tell me about this blanket.
What did it look like?
Was it a granny square blanketor was it sort of like rose back
and forth?

Caitie (06:26):
So it was red, white and blue.
Just simple, simple grannysquares, probably about four or
five rounds with each square.
And they would join togethervery haphazardly.
I sadly don't have the blanketanymore.
We used it for a puppy and thenit sort of, I think it got
extra holy and got shipped offto Goodwill or to the garbage if

(06:50):
it wasn't.
suitable for Goodwill so yeah

Brittany (06:53):
yeah that's really cool I love to hear about some
of those early projects andbecause I feel like they do tell
quite a bit of a story so thisis they absolutely do yeah yeah
especially like a granny squareblanket I think there's
something really that reallydraws us in with a granny square
blanket it's sort of likealmost like an icon for crochet.

(07:16):
When somebody who doesn'tcrochet thinks about crochet, I
feel like they picture a grannysquare blanket that was in their
family at some point.
And it's just really cool thatwe can continue to keep that
tradition going.
And even though you don't havethat blanket anymore, I'm sure
you have several that are stillwithin your family and that you

(07:39):
can pass on.

Caitie (07:40):
Yeah, absolutely.
There's definitely somethingvery iconic about the granny
square.
Although my first blanketreally, it was full of holes
that weren't supposed to bethere with drop, you know, bad
stitches and poor joining andall that.
So all I can say is I've liveda lot and I wish that I had kept
it so that I could show people,you know, your first granny

(08:02):
square versus what you can donow.

Brittany (08:04):
Yes, me too.
There are so many projects thatI started myself.
like when I first learned, andthey just looked terrible.
And the perfectionist in medidn't keep a lot of those.
I do have a couple.
The first time I ever tried tomake anything other than just
like a washcloth or a basicsquare, I wanted a pair of boot

(08:27):
cuffs.
And that was a really bigchallenge for me because I was
not only trying new stitches,but I was going into the world
of shaping and I crocheted thesein the round like like a round
tube kind of situation so thejoin is all messy and they

(08:48):
weren't nearly big enoughbecause there's no stretch to
them I used a stitch that waswell I guess it was really more
of a yarn hook combination butit just didn't have any stretch
to it.
So I wasn't even able to wearthem.
And they're kind of a trainwreck.
They were like this weirdorange color because I had some
yarn leftover from a wreath thatI made, like a fall wreath that

(09:12):
I wrapped with this yarn.
So I probably wouldn't have hadan outfit to wear them with
anyways, but I kept this wonkylittle boot cuff.
And I'm going to have to sharea picture of it because it is so
not my best work.
But I sort of cherish itbecause I can look back and see

(09:33):
the progress, see where I came.
And I think that's so importantfor a lot of people, especially
when you're first getting intothe craft.
You look at your work.
And if you're anything like me,you might be a little disgusted
and say, oh, this is awful.
I'm so bad at this.
But it's really just part ofthe learning process.
And you're not bad at it.
You're just figuring it out.

(09:54):
Absolutely.

Caitie (09:56):
And you've

Brittany (09:56):
got to

Caitie (09:56):
start somewhere.
I think I can't remember whowrote the book or who talks
about it, but there's that wholeconcept about 10,000 hours that
you need to put into somethingto master a craft, whether it's
playing the piano or, you know,whatever.
And I think so often people,particularly with Instagram,

(10:18):
they look at all thesebeautifully curated pictures and
go, wow, Oh, I don't know thatI could ever do that.
And there's such a big part ofme that wants to just shout out
and say, no, you can.
Everybody starts somewhere.
Everybody starts with thatawkward long chain where all the
loops are uneven.
And, you know, you got to startsomewhere.

(10:40):
It's baby steps.
Yeah.
Exactly.

Brittany (10:42):
Yeah.
Just finding the finding thecourage, I guess, to sort of
power through that and maybemaybe hiding those projects that
you're not super proud of rightnow.
Then you can go back to themlater and say, yep, they they
were right.
Not that we're trying to beright.
But, you know, we've sort oflived that we understand.
And that is certainly the case,I know, for me, for you and for

(11:04):
a lot of other people.

Caitie (11:05):
Yeah.

Brittany (11:06):
Now, you said Thorsby Cottage started in around 2016.
I would love to know a littlebit about that because a lot of
times our ideas for startingthings like this, they change,
they evolve.
Like for Be Hooked Crochet, forexample, it started out as an
Etsy shop.
Yeah.

(11:27):
It is no longer an Etsy shop,although I'm pretty sure you
could, if you tried, I'm prettysure you could find the shop is
still there.
I don't think it was properlyshut down, but it is so not like
that today.
It's completely different.
And I'm just interested to hearyour story and how that
started, what you thought itwould be and how that compares
to what it is today.

Caitie (11:50):
Yeah.
So I also started out with anEtsy shop.
After I designed those firstfew toys that I was talking
about for my son, a friend ofmine saw them and she said to
me, well, why don't you start anEtsy shop?
She had one selling digitalillustrations.
And to be honest, I'd neverheard of Etsy.
I didn't know what it was.

(12:11):
And if I had heard of it, itwas just for people in America
to buy stuff.
And so it wasn't relevant tome.
And I realized that we couldactually sell something
digitally.
And so I loaded up my, I thinkI had probably two patterns to
start off with and decided tostart a blog at the same time.

(12:33):
And surprising to me, peopleliked what I put forward and
people liked my designs and wereshowing a huge amount of
support.
So It kind of blossomed fromthere.
I was also a bit late to theInstagram game.

(12:57):
there is this massive communityof people around the world who
have similar interests to me.
I was a bit of an outlier in mysocial group.
Everyone would kind of refer tome as the granny because I
would sit and work with yarn.
And it was just so encouragingand exciting to see this massive

(13:19):
community of people who wereall knitting and crocheting and
creating and making.
And so that really inspired meto just push forward with Lorsby
Cottage because there's justthis international audience and
this international community.
So that's, yeah, that's kind ofwhere it's going.

(13:39):
And it's amazing just with theinterwebs, the opportunities
that come around.
So commissions for magazinesthat are international, for
books, for magazines, All sortsof things.
For designs, it's really veryexciting.

(13:59):
So I don't know that I have afirm plan going forward about
how Thorsby Cottage will be inthe next five years.
I think it's already, my mindhas been blown about where it's
gone to now.
We take it one step at a time.

Brittany (14:19):
Yeah, I am all for that.
Now, I love to plan and I willdo anything and everything to
map out the perfect day, theperfect week, the perfect month
and year.
And what I find is thatalthough it is important to have
that for me set forward, justso I have an idea of where I
want to go, it's always a littlebit different than I imagine.

(14:41):
And that's something I'vecertainly learned this year,
probably more than any year sofar, the importance of being
flexible and letting your blog,your business, your Etsy shop,
whatever it be, letting thatsort of guide the way in a
sense.
I know for me, not having anEtsy shop anymore, I am

(15:06):
primarily driven by the needs ofthe people who are in my
community.
I know that my place is reallyto help people improve their
skills or to learn them.
And that's something I'm reallypassionate about, but really
they help guide the way and giveme feedback and tell me what it
is they need and what they wantfrom me.

(15:27):
And that's a really greatfeeling.
But with that comes the needfor flexibility.
And I think that's reallyimportant for anybody who's
maybe starting a blog or a makerbusiness and maybe they don't
have an idea for it.
I think it's okay to not have agrand plan mapped out.

(15:51):
But would you say that it'sabout finding the happy medium
between what makes you happy andwhat makes your community
happy?

Caitie (16:04):
Oh, absolutely.
So I...
As a school kid and as an adultas well, I don't break the
rules.
I'm very law-abiding.
At school, I never got intodetention.
I never got into trouble.
I'm goody two-shoes.
But when it comes to mybusiness, I've broken quite a

(16:27):
few rules that all the sort ofbig business-y people say that
you should do.
So, for example, Instagram.
Everyone says you've got topost however many times a day, a
week, or whatever at this time,at that time.
time.
And I have found that if I letmy business take over me and run

(16:48):
me, that it sucks the joy outof what I'm doing.
And so my mom always says tome, don't let anything or anyone
steal your joy.
And so when I find I'm in aplace where I feel pressured,
just self-imposed pressure frommy of what I should be designing
next and how often I should beputting out blog posts or, or

(17:11):
Instagram posts or whatever.
I take a step back and go,okay, hang on.
Why, why am I doing philosophycottage?
I'm doing it because it's aplace for me to express myself.
And it's a place that I findtremendous joy.
And so I have to make sure toput measures in place that, that
the thing that I'm trying tocreate joy from doesn't steal my
joy.

(17:32):
Does

Brittany (17:32):
that make sense?
Yeah, it totally does.
And I know, I completelyunderstand that is a balancing
act too.
Absolutely.
And do you find yourself, Ilove routines and I really like
that, I don't even know theright word.
I really like having a plan andhaving all of that stuff in

(17:55):
place and having a routine.
But every now and then I haveto shake that up a little bit.
Do you ever get bored or feel alittle bit stale with the
things that you're doing?
And this can happen a lot withprojects.
Like say you start a project,it's a bigger one and you were
really excited about it at firstand then you're not so excited

(18:15):
after a several hours, maybehalfway through.
And certainly for aspects of ablog or a business, you make
commitments to do certain thingsand you're really fired up
about it.
And eventually you sort of losesteam a little bit.
And I feel like that is such anatural part of the process.

(18:38):
And knowing what you just said,having the Yeah, absolutely.
And just to clarify, it's not

Caitie (19:01):
like every day that I work on my business is sunshine
and roses.
There are certainly days offrustration and days where I
question my decisions orquestion why I'm doing this
particular project or whatever.
But as you say, to have that,the reason why I'm doing it as

(19:25):
the core of it, to come back tothat and that be the reason the
thing that keeps me grounded inmy business.
That's really important to me.
And also just to add, I'm veryfortunate to have a very
supportive family and asupportive husband.
So it's not like I have to beburning the midnight oil to put

(19:48):
food on the table because I dounderstand that for many people,
their businesses are theirentire livelihood.
And I understand that with thatcomes, you know, different
decisions and, you know, Youcan't just be all rainbows and
unicorns when you try to run abusiness like that.
So I do completely respectthat.

Brittany (20:08):
For sure, yes.
I think that it's veryfortunate to be in this
position, you and I, where wecan say that we're business
owners.
We get to wake up every day anddo what we love.
And I certainly would neverwant to take any of that for
granted because I sit back and Ithink, If I had to go back into

(20:30):
the workforce, I'm pretty sureI would be unemployable.
After working for myself for acouple of years, I just, I
wouldn't trade it for the world.

Caitie (20:40):
Yeah, I'm with you on that.

Brittany (20:41):
Now, I think you have a really interesting story.
twist here in the community andI want to touch on that just a
little bit.
Now you are located outside theU.S.
and with that comes a differentstruggle that certainly I don't
always think about or somebodyhere in the States might not be

(21:03):
aware of, but certainly thelisteners who are outside the
U.S.
knows exactly how this feelsand I want to get your
perspective, some of yoursolutions to these problems and
that is having access to likethe tools that we need to do
what we love here in the stateswe have really wonderful places

(21:27):
like craft stores where we cango and there is a giant aisle of
yarn and and we're really sofortunate to be able to do that
and from what i have heard fromothers in the community That's
certainly not the caseeverywhere else.
So how have you found ways tostill have access to yarns and

(21:48):
tools that you're really excitedto work with, maybe not having
them so easily available to you?
So, yeah, I'm based in Cape

Caitie (21:58):
Town, South Africa, which is...
literally the southern tip ofAfrica.
So we're miles away fromanywhere.
And we don't have, as you say,we don't have big craft
department stores.
I've been very fortunate enoughto travel quite a bit.
So I've been to the Statesseveral times.
I've been to Europe andAustralia.

(22:20):
And the first time I set footin a Michael's, My head nearly
exploded.
I've never seen, you guys haveaisles and aisles of yarn that,
you know, it changes every fewmonths.
You get different brands in andyou don't just have three
selections of scissors.

(22:40):
You can choose from 20 and it'sjust, it's really incredible.
It's really fantastic.
So yeah, so we don't reallyhave that here.
We have a couple of brick andmortar pieces.
shops that are specialized whenit comes to yarn so that's
great so we can go in and touchand feel and and choose our
colors or our fiber type then alot of online shops are

(23:05):
springing up unfortunately forme and others living in South
Africa our postal service is notgreat so the option to buy yarn
from overseas is really notvery practical it's the yarn
takes a a long time to arrive.
I saw someone saying, oh,they'd ordered from Amazon and

(23:26):
it took a whole week to arriveand they were complaining.
And I'm thinking, jeepers, forme, it takes three months if I'm
lucky.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
So I have tried that once ortwice.
I've ordered a couple of thingsof Amazon and, you know, they
were very specialized.
So it was like some cloverhooks, which I got, which we can

(23:47):
actually get now here too,which are quite expensive.
It was worth the wait, but itdid take a long time.
So, yes, that can be reallyfrustrating.
You know, you see otherdesigners putting out amazing
projects using Red Heart or LionBrand or Caron.
And I just we can't.
get those yarns here so forexample a few years ago when

(24:11):
there was all the plannedpooling craze and everyone was
using all the variegated redheart yarns we just don't have
them here so we couldn't reallyI mean I know we can apply the
same principles using thevariegated yarn that we get here
but if you wanted to replicatesomeone else's if you wanted to
do a project using a specificred heart yarn it's it's not

(24:32):
that simple so how I've gotaround that is when i've
traveled um or when i havefamily or friends traveling i
usually get them to bring askein or two back here just as a
reference point so that i cantouch you know and feel and and
see what it's like and compareit to a local equivalent and

(24:56):
because as a designer i need tobe able to recommend yarn to
people who who are doing mypatterns and i often get
requests for what yarn peopleshould use.
And I need to be able to givesomeone a recommendation based
on where they're located.
We do also have amazing localyarn.

(25:17):
We really do.
We've got lots of indie dyerswho are popping up and lots of
hand dyers that are availableinternationally as well.
So I collaborate with thosedyers, which is really, really
nice.

Brittany (25:33):
Yeah, I think that's really resourceful.
Although you're putting a lotof time and effort into a
project and having that writtenup exactly the way it needs to
be so anyone can follow it, abig, big part of designing is
using a yarn that someone hasaccess to, that's easy to find

(25:56):
in different locations or maybeeasy to order in locations where
you can't just go walk into astore.
Do you have people in youraudience who...
maybe get a pattern from youand say I don't have access to
this yarn or are you providinglike a substitution option for
them saying this is what I usedand this is where you can

(26:18):
potentially get it but if youcan't this is a good
alternative?

Caitie (26:23):
Yeah so for most of my patterns I include the bigger
brand names that are morereadily available worldwide.
So for example, if I use alocal brand of cotton for my
amigurumi, I will color matchand weight match to something
that's very similar that willturn out absolutely fine in

(26:46):
another brand of yarn.
So for example, Paintbox yarns,which incidentally, they don't
ship to South Africa, which isheartbreaking to me because for
Amigurumi, they're amazing.
So yeah, so before I even startout a pattern, I make sure that
the yarn that I'm using can beeasily substituted and I'll make

(27:06):
a note of that Sometimes whatI'll even do is actually just
design with my local yarn andthen I won't even include it
because if it's something thatno one else can get hold of
unless you're in South Africa,there's kind of no point.
So I'll reference an equivalentyarn that is available to most
of my audience.

Brittany (27:26):
Gotcha.
Yeah, I think that's really,really smart.
And I think it's a great thingto offer for somebody who is,
like I said, getting yourpatterns and wanting to recreate
those.
It's also a fun challenge as adesigner because although the
yarns are like a worsted weightyarn, you can use any type of

(27:48):
worsted weight yarn for a lot ofdifferent projects, but there
are little subtle differencesbetween between them.
Like maybe one is just slightlythicker than the other one, or
maybe it wears a little bitdifferent and that sort of
thing.
But it sounds like what youwere able to do is just really
take a mental note or maybe evenlike physical notes where

(28:10):
you're getting some of theseyarns in your hands.
You can see them and feel themand work with them and know how
they substitute.
I think that's reallyresourceful to be able to have
that at your disposal so thatyou can make confident
substitutions.

Caitie (28:27):
Yeah, absolutely.
And it's not just down to theyarn that I use.
So for example, amigurumi eyesare very hard to find here.
We can't just walk into a storeand buy any.
And even many of the brick andmortar and online stores just
don't sell the little safetyeyes.
So I've ordered online fromoverseas and had people bring

(28:50):
them for me bring them to mefrom overseas so, so that I can
use them.
But I, I also, I have myprecious little stash that I
don't want to, I don't want touse up.
So I've had to work on someother techniques for how to add
features to, you know, usingembroidery and whatnot, um, to
add features to my amigurumi sothat, so that they can still, I

(29:12):
can still, you know, have apattern for people and have the
option to use amigurumi eyes ifthey have available, but it
doesn't exclude people whoperhaps don't have access to
them.

Brittany (29:23):
Yeah, yeah.
Now, I'm not sure if we haveany listeners who are located in
South Africa.
I think it would be so cool toknow that.
But just in case we do, can youshare some of the yarns, like
some of your go-to yarns thatyou like to use?
That way, if somebody is in thearea and they do have access to
it, they know what might be...

(29:44):
really great to substitute forfor something that we might
write a pattern for a lot herein the states like your your red
hearts your line brands yourinspirations types of yarns

Caitie (29:55):
yeah so uh definitely for an acrylic yarn we've got a
brand a lovely local brandcalled l and they they They also
do some cottons as well, butthey do a really lovely range
called Earl Pure Gold, whichthat I use for a lot of my toys.
And then for cotton, myall-time favorite is a brand

(30:18):
called Nurturing Fibers.
And they're actually availableinternationally too, even though
they're based in Cape Town orjust outside of Cape Town.
It's all hand dyed, but it'sreally, really beautiful and
high, high quality.
Like I said, I've, I'm veryfortunate to travel and I've got
my little collection of skeinsfrom all over the world.

(30:39):
And Nurturing Fibers is onethat I always come back to.
They've got a cotton, they do acotton and bamboo blend and
several different blends indifferent weights.
They've also got merino, alittle bit of mohair.
So if you're into the indiedyed higher end yarns, those are
fantastic too.
Yeah, and then lots of otherindie dyers as well.

(31:02):
But that's slightly different.
I suppose that's not the sameas your big commercial batched
dyed yarns.
So we do get some internationalyarns, yes.
So I've seen Stylecraft.
I don't know if you getStylecraft in America or if it's
from Europe.
I can't recall.

Brittany (31:21):
I know you can order it here.
I don't know of a store, atleast in my area, where I can
walk in and buy it.

Caitie (31:28):
Yeah.
So I think for me, I've justgot used to the fact that most
of my yarn, I order online,locally.
So generally how it works iswe've got somebody here in the
country who is the distributorfor a specific yarn, if they
have rights to distribute aninternational yarn.
So for example, I'm going tosay it wrong now, but Skip

(31:52):
Years, the

Brittany (31:54):
cotton...
Yes, I know exactly who you'retalking about, and I have no
clue how to pronounce it either.
I'm

Caitie (32:01):
pretty sure it's Skippy.

Brittany (32:03):
I'll put it in the show notes.
I'll put it in the show notesso you can reference it.
I would not do it justicetrying to say the name, but I do
know what you're talking about.
Their stuff is incredible.

Caitie (32:15):
Yeah, so we have one person in the country who is the
sole distributor in SouthAfrica for that yarn.
So I can't walk into a shopbecause it's not located in my
city.
I can't walk into a shop andask to see their yarn.
I have to order it online.
And so I guess I'm kind of usedto just taking a little leap of

(32:35):
faith every time I have anonline order that the yarn is
not going to be totally off whatI thought it was going to be.

Brittany (32:42):
Yeah, there's a lot of important lessons there too.
I know a lot of questions comein and they're like, do you have
tips for ordering yarn online?
It always tends to lookdifferent.
And I've shared some of my tipshere, I think even on the
podcast for how I sort ofnavigate ordering yarn online
with not being able to see itand feel it, especially for a

(33:02):
new yarn.
But I would love to get yourtips as well, because I know
that it's a struggle that a lotof us go through.
Yeah, so I think the

Caitie (33:11):
one that I always seem to, where I always trip up is
with the weight of the ball, orthe skein, so whether it's a 50
gram or 25 gram or 100 gramskein.
If you don't have a mentalpicture of how big or small that
is, you can do like I have andorder what you think are these
huge balls of wool or yarn andthey arrive and they're a lot,

(33:35):
lot smaller than you expect, youknow, bonbon size rather than
bigger.
So I think it's helpful to finda local yarn shop, just even
just to see what does 100 gramsof a worsted weight acrylic look
like so that you have not evennecessarily with the colors, but
just how big is it in yourhands so that you don't have an

(33:59):
unreasonable expectation ofwhat's going to arrive in the
post.
I've also found it's reallyhelpful to...
So say I know I want to orderthis, I don't know, cotton and
it's in a pink, whatever thename is, pink blush, let's call
it.
I...
I like to go onto Ravelry orany of these other, I suppose

(34:21):
you could look on Facebook aswell and see if anyone else has
done a project in using thatsame yarn and in that same
color.
And usually there are pictures.
So I know on Ravelry, there arepictures of people's finished
objects that can be linked witha specific yarn.
And sometimes people onFacebook groups will share
pictures as well.

(34:41):
And it's just helpful tocompare the picture that you see
on your screen for the shopthat you're buying from versus
the pictures that other peoplehave taken.
And also different screens canmake things look different.
So I always look at my phone, Ilook at my computer screen, I
look on someone else's screenand then make a decision so that

(35:03):
I kind of know what kind ofrange to expect.

Brittany (35:07):
Yes, I think that is really important too.
And I talked a little bit aboutthat because I have some
settings on my computer screenshere just because I'm looking at
them all day.
They're sort of like, they'relike a low, low blue light is
actually like what it saysprinted on there.
And that has got me into acouple of sticky situations

(35:27):
where I ordered yarn for anentire project and one of the
shades was basically the same asone of the other ones.
I was looking for like an ombreso it was a step down from like
a dark gray to a medium gray toa light gray to like a really
pale gray but the light and thepale or what i thought were

(35:49):
light and pale were almostidentical it was more in like
the the warmth of them one waskind of a colder and one was a
little bit warmer and i was solucky because that project
turned out amazing but i had tocompletely change my idea for
that project because i wanted itto be a blanket where it was an

(36:12):
ombre where it kind of fadedfrom one to another and it had
hints of color in there But Icouldn't do that because I
didn't have an ombre.
And it actually turned out way,way better than I had
originally thought it would.
So I'm so happy in that.
But yes, your screens can playa big role.

(36:35):
And those nighttime...
filters that you get on yourphone at night.
I know for me, when I'm doingmy yarn shopping, it tends to be
on like Amazon at night and myamber filter is on and that
totally changes the look of ittoo.
Oh, absolutely.

Caitie (36:53):
I find what also helps is that sometimes the, the yarn
websites, regardless of whetheryou're ordering of Amazon or
not, say you're ordering LionBrand, a lot of the websites
will have their own projectsthat using their own yarn.
And sometimes if you're lucky,the colors that you want to use
can be used in a project that'son their websites.

(37:16):
And I find that's quitehelpful.
And also to see the yarn workedup and actually on a person or
in a finished object I find thatreally helpful too.

Brittany (37:24):
Yeah, especially for like printed yarns or yarns that
have really, really short colortransitions that almost look
more like mosaic.
It's really hard to know whatthat's going to look like worked
up because you don't reallyhave a feel for how long those
color transitions are.
If it's a really bolder printwhere the color transitions are

(37:46):
maybe an inch or so, you mightbe able to see that in the
photo.
But if it's not, if it's alittle bit longer than that,
like long enough to not be ableto see it in the photo, it might
turn out completely differentthan what you expected.
And then two, those yarns lookdifferent for different widths
of projects.

(38:06):
So let's say you get a yarnthat has a longer color
transition and you're using itfor a scarf that's maybe eight
inches wide.
you might actually get to findstripes for that.
But then let's say you wannause that same yarn for something
like a cardigan, where you'reusing the same yarn, maybe even

(38:27):
the same stitch pattern, butyou're stretching it out over a
wider width, that mightcompletely change the striping
pattern.
And so maybe instead of itbeing a nice clean transition on
the edge of your work, which ifyou're, that happens sometimes,
sometimes you get lucky and itworks out that way.
But let's say you got lucky inyour scarf and you got these

(38:50):
perfect stripes, applying thatto a wider project, you might
have a complete, well, youprobably will have a completely
different look.

Caitie (38:59):
Absolutely.
I can't tell you the number oftimes I've, particularly with
variegated yarn, where I'vebought a skein and because it
looks pretty in the skein or inthe cake.
And then when I whipped it up,it's been not quite what I had
expected.
But that's part of the journey.
And I think that's totallyokay.

(39:20):
And yeah, I...
I roll with it.

Brittany (39:24):
Yeah, yeah.
Now you mentioned a couple ofother things I want to touch on
because I know this is anotherarea where we struggle.
You said you have some likereally precious yarns that you
have gotten from differentcountries that, you know, it
wasn't easy for you to acquire.
So you have this special stashof yarn.
How do you decide what to usethat yarn for?

(39:47):
Oh, that is hard.

Caitie (39:50):
So...
To be honest, quite a lot of itjust gets squirreled away in
various parts of the housebecause I'm kind of waiting for
the perfect project.
And I think quite late in thecrochet design and in my crochet
design journey did I realizethat for many projects, you need

(40:11):
more than one skein.
So it's no good having just oneskein of this beautiful
variegated Caron what what.
You need more than one ifyou're going to actually make
anything that you can wear.
And dye lots is another thing.
You need to have things fromthe same dye lot if you want
them to blend in nicelytogether.

(40:32):
So yeah, I think I like tohave...
quite a large selection of yarnto choose from because then I
can pick and choose based on theinspiration rather than the
other way around.
Does that make sense?
So I go, oh, I want to make anamigurumi, I don't know,

(40:52):
rainbow.
If I've got all those colors, Ican go and pick them out of my
stash rather than not having togo and buy anything.
specifically for that project.
Not to say that I don't lovebuying new yarn.
I think that's a hobby on itsown, right?
It is.
So yeah, I probably need towork a bit harder at using up my

(41:16):
stash, basically.

Brittany (41:17):
Well, it's really tough.
I have so many skeins of yarntoo.
And for me, those special hanksor skeins or whatever they are,
they are the yarns that I don'thave.
easy access to as well likesome yarns that are indie dyed
yarn or something that i foundat a local yarn shop i really

(41:39):
really treasure those and i haveto wait for like the right
project so typically if i onlyhave one of those by default it
will become some kind of hat forme to wear because that's about
the right amount.
If I have two, I might do ascarf or something like that
because these are things that Iknow I will wear.
I wear a lot of hats andscarves in the winter and those

(42:02):
are kind of my go-to projects orlike maybe even a cowl or
something like that.
But I do have several hankssort of stashed away that are
waiting for the right pattern,the right project, and just sort
of the right I feel like whenyou're creating a project on

(42:22):
that level versus maybe adesigner level, and I'm sure
other designers can relate tothis, it's different when you're
making something for yourself.
Yeah.
It feels more special almostbecause it doesn't always
happen.
I know for me, I don't alwaysmake things for myself.
I really like to make projectsthat appeal to the people who

(42:45):
are interested in gettingpatterns for me.
And that's something I'mworking through.
I'm certainly trying to be alot more intentional with the
projects that I choose so thatI'm creating things that make me
happy, that I really enjoyusing and wearing, but that also
appeal to the people who areinterested in getting my

(43:05):
patterns.
So when I make one of thesespecial hanks of yarns, I
typically am not writing apattern.
It's almost for me like I'msinking back into, or not
sinking, but just sort ofsettling back into my hobby.

Caitie (43:22):
Absolutely.
It's the stuff you do outsideof work hours.
Yes, for sure.
You at least have snow.
I mean, it doesn't really getcold enough here for us to make
lots of hats.
So I've done a couple of babyhats because babies always need
hats.
But it doesn't snow here, atleast not in Cape Town.
And so I tend to use up mysmallest gains for amigurumi or

(43:48):
maybe granny squares orcomposite things.
projects where you can, you cando a single component and then
join it together somehow.
But yeah, to be honest, Ihaven't had time to, I want to
be in the right brain space tosit down and do something
special with my special scans.
And it's, it's been a whirlwindthree years with Bolesby

Brittany (44:06):
Cottage.
So,

Caitie (44:07):
so I haven't had a chance yet.

Brittany (44:09):
Well, I can totally relate.
And I think the tip of usinggrainy squares is a good one
because I'm kind of taking itback to what we talked about at
the beginning.
There's really just somethingspecial about a grainy square in
that it can become so manydifferent things.
So let's say you want to sitdown and you're watching a TV
show.
You have some mindless crochettime, we'll say, where you don't

(44:33):
really have to think too muchabout it.
getting into like a grannysquare groove where you're just
making squares, I think that's areally great way to occupy your
hands in a way that can laterbecome something.
I talked to someone else hereon the show before and that was
what she liked to create.

(44:54):
She loved to crochet grannysquares and she didn't always
have a project in mind for them,but they always ended up
becoming something.
And so anytime she hadsomething a birthday or a gift
that she wanted to give forsomebody, she would sort of dip
into her Granny Squares dash andjoin it into something amazing.

(45:14):
And it was sort of like a timesaver.
I know you've done some reallyinteresting Granny Squares.
I saw the little bag, like thelittle clutch sort of thing on
your Instagram page.
And that's so beautiful.
And I want to highlight that alittle bit because...
A granny square, although thereis a traditional granny square

(45:36):
in what we might think of, thatword or that term is used for
pretty much any type of squaredmotif.
So yours, for example, has likea flower pattern in it.

Caitie (45:49):
Yeah, so the granny square really is so versatile.
I know that there might be somepurists out there who...
say that some of the squaresthat people are calling granny
squares aren't technicallygranny squares, and perhaps on a
technical level they're not.
But an Afghan block, I supposeyou could call it, It doesn't
just have to be used in ablanket.

(46:11):
I mean, I know that's where alot of people will use their
squares.
But I joined a Cal last year,beginning of this year, and
people were working on differentsquares.
And at the end, the idea was totake the squares that you'd
made and put them into variousprojects.
And then everybody shared them.
the pictures of their projects.
And it is absolutely incrediblewhat you can do with a simple

(46:34):
square shape.
So as you say, like with thelittle flower clutch bag thing,
those were tiny little squares.
They're a couple of centimetersby, you know, probably about
five centimeters.
I don't know what that is ininches, but five centimeters by
five centimeters and joined themall together, made a little
clutch bag.
I've seen other people who doreally intricate and delicate,

(46:56):
beautiful granny squares thatthen instead of turning it into
a wearable or a bag or somethinglike that, they actually block
it really nicely and put it intoa shadow box, you know, those
frames.
And then frame that and maybeput it in a nursery or in an
office space or somethingbecause that's a lot of hard

(47:17):
work that you've gone throughwith all those intricate
stitches.
Some other things I've seenwhich are really clever are
things like if you take yoursquare, And you fold it.
So if you've got the wrong sidefacing you, and then you fold
the corners towards the middleand you stitch up almost like an

(47:37):
envelope so you can make anenvelope.
That's really clever.
I've seen people make wallhangings.
So yeah, I think the grannysquare really is amazing.
And you've got designs outthere that are very old
fashioned and and vintage rightthrough to some really modern
clean you know very structuredlooking squares that you

(48:01):
wouldn't if you did to me fiveyears ago that's a crocheted
granny square I would have goneoh that does you know that that
doesn't make me think of crochetcrochet is what old people do
it's not at all it's totallymodern and um and fashionable
and yeah so that I get quiteexcited about that.

Brittany (48:20):
Yeah.
Do you find yourself going togranny square projects with some
of these, some of these yarnsmaybe where you only have one
skein?
Because I mean, yeah, you can'tmake like a blanket or
something like that, but you canuse just what little yarn you
have there to create multiplesquares that can become
something more.
Absolutely.

Caitie (48:41):
So in fact, that little bag that you're talking about,
the flower one, that I had justa few skeins of, now I have to
say the word again, skip yearsof cotton and not enough to make
anything much larger than thatbag really.
And so it was a great littlestash buster because I could use
up those skeins or those littleballs and actually come out

(49:03):
with a lovely project at the endof it.
So I really enjoy it.
I, I got to say, I'm not one ofthose people that can sit with
a big project for too long.
I get, I need to move on to thenext thing or I get bored of
it.
So I really enjoy doing some ofthe smaller, more detailed
style projects.
And that's great when you don'thave access to a huge amount of

(49:24):
yarn because, you know, youonly need a little bit to get a
square done.
So that works well.

Brittany (49:29):
Definitely.
I think that's a great tipthere too.
I know I'm the same way.
Well, I can sit with a bigproject a couple times a year.
Like I'm usually good for oneor two blankets per year.
And I typically have to sort offuel myself through that
because I do tend to lose steama little bit midway.
But having a smaller project soI have that quick win, I have

(49:54):
to put those– in very often orvery frequently.
Sometimes I'll even take abreak from the big project and
finish something small just so Ifeel like I have finished
something, you know?
Yes, I hear you.
And I think granny squareprojects are great for that too.
It's been a little while, to behonest, since I have made a

(50:16):
granny square project, butprobably my most favorite
pattern that I did was a like atote purse sort of thing.
It was bigger than like theclutch that you have on your
Instagram page.
It was more of like a full-sizepurse and it was so much fun.
I think, and my memory is notwonderful, but I think there was

(50:39):
around 20 or 22 squares thatwere about four or five inches.
I think they were five, five byfive actually.
Okay.
That to this day is still myfavorite granny square project.
I like to do home decor itemstoo.
I've been thinking about doingplacemats with different squares
put together.
I think that's a great way touse them too.

(51:01):
And I love the idea of framingthem.
How easy is that?
And how many amazing squarepatterns, now they might not
actually be granny squares, butyou know, square motifs that are
incredible.
You've Maybe you don't have thesteam or the yarn to finish a

(51:22):
full project.
Framing that, I think that issuch a cool idea.
And

Caitie (51:26):
I think it really celebrates the crochet, the art,
and the granny square.
Because I think sometimes, Idon't know about you, but when
someone asks, oh, what is itthat you do?
kind of go, Oh, I don't quiteknow how to explain it.
If I say crochet designer, Idon't kind of class myself as an
artist because I don't have anyqualifications, but it's like,

(51:47):
it's more than a hobby.
It's kind of in this awkwardspace in between.
And only recently have I gone,you know what, actually I've
worked hard at my craft and, andcrochet is amazing.
And it has so many wonderfulbenefits and I want to celebrate
it.
And so why not frame it on awall?
It doesn't have to be somethingthat gets, you know, It doesn't
have to be a stereotypicalblanket.

(52:08):
Not that there's anything wrongwith blankets at all, but why
not frame it and put it on thewall?
Because it is art, I think.

Brittany (52:15):
Yes, I agree 100%.
And I really need to do that.
I have thought about it for alittle while.
And I've got some bare spaceshere in my office that could
totally use a little bit morecrochet.
We like to be surrounded by ourstuff.
And I think that's a greatpractical use for something

(52:35):
beautiful that doesn't take youa lot of time, that doesn't take
a lot of yarn.
And I think it's great.
I'm totally going to do it.

Caitie (52:42):
Yes.
Well, we look forward to seeingwhat you get up to.

Brittany (52:46):
For sure.
Yeah, I will have to playaround with something unique.
Now, I love a traditionalgranny square.
I think it's a great square.
It's easy.
It's one of those projects thatyou just sort of get into a
groove and your hook just sortof does the work for you.
But it just totally blows mymind to see some designers what
they come up with and how theycame up with that.

(53:09):
For example, Sophie's universeis just, Oh gosh, it blows my
mind.
I don't understand how she didthat.
And now she has the Ubuntu.
I'm probably totally not sayingthat right, but yeah, So
Deirdre, she's

Caitie (53:27):
from South Africa, actually.
She lives in the UK, but she'sSouth African.
And so the word that you'retrying to say there is Ubuntu.
And Ubuntu, it actually meanshumanity, humanity towards
others, togetherness.
It's actually quite animportant word in South African
culture.
Yeah.
That's it.
It's cool that you brought thatup.

Brittany (53:48):
Yeah.
And I have had her on the showbefore and it was just, it was
so interesting to sort of tapinto that a little bit, but
there is just a real talent andso much patience that comes into
designing something sointricate and so beautiful.
And I know there's a lot ofpeople who are participating in
those cows and just think if youhave a little bit of extra

(54:10):
yarn, take some of those motifsand just put them in a frame and
put them on the wall.
I think that would be a greatuse.

Caitie (54:16):
Yeah.
Thank you.
Beautiful.

Brittany (54:17):
Yes.
Well, this has been such a funconversation.
I really think that, gosh, it'sjust like a chat between two
people who are crazy about yarn.
How great is the internet?
I just, I love that.
Right, right.
We probably would have neverhad the opportunity to connect.
So I'm really grateful that youagreed to be here on the show

(54:39):
and to share so much with theaudience in terms of design and
what inspires you and a littlebit about how you got your start
and how you've been resourcefulwith finding the tools that you
need to do what you want to doI think there's that's just a
wonderful and inspiring storythat a lot of us needed to hear

(55:01):
and now I want to give people achance to connect with you
because you have some amazingwork you have a beautiful
Instagram page I would highlyencourage anyone to follow you
there just to see your gorgeouscreations so Where is the best
place for somebody to find youafter hearing the show today?

Caitie (55:23):
So the best place to probably connect, and if you
want to have a conversation, adigital one, I suppose,
Instagram is probably where Ihang out the most.
I love engaging with peoplethrough my stories and through
DMs and that, and also, ofcourse, through comments on
pictures and things.
But I am also around onFacebook.

(55:45):
forward slash Thorsby Cottage.
So it's Thorsby Cottagewherever on social media,
Pinterest and all those placestoo.
And then if you want to findout more about me and see my
patterns, I've got free and paidpatterns.
I've got my blog, which isthorsbycottage.com.

Brittany (56:03):
Wonderful.
Okay, I will have that linkedin the show notes as well.
And I also want to highlight,since we talked so much about
granny squares, you have been acontributor to a couple of
books, right, that are nowavailable.
Yeah, we're very excited

Caitie (56:19):
about the two books coming out this year.
So the first is the UltimateGranny Square Sourcebook, which
is a published by Meteor Books.
They are the same people thatdo the very well-known series,
Zumi Gurumi.
I don't know if you've heard ofthat.
Yeah.
So they've got together acollection of designers.
I think there's 23 of us andabout 100 designs.

(56:43):
I could be wrong.
Oh, wow.
I should know this.
Yeah.
And they're all designed to mixand match.
So they've been reallythoroughly tested and can
easily, you know, you can taketwo designs from one designer
and another one from anotherdesigner and they will fit next
to each other size wise.
It's a really beautiful bookwith all the details you need on

(57:03):
how to do a granny square.
So, or in a modern grannysquare with this, yeah, all
sorts of designs.
There are animals.
So my contribution was fiveAfrican animals.
There's a lion, zebra, giraffe,hippo, and another one,
elephant.
But there are flowers, thereare abstract squares, there's a

(57:25):
whole host.
I think you can actually see onthe website, you can go and
have a look at all the differentsquares in the book.
So that's that one, and that'sreally exciting.
Pre-orders for that have closedalready, but it will be
available in November, so rightaround when this will be airing,
I think.
And then the second book iscalled 3D Granny Squares, 100

(57:50):
Crochet Patterns for Pop-UpGranny Squares.
And the idea behind this bookwas exactly as the title says,
granny squares that are 3D.
Now, these are not, I don'twant people to think that
they're just a square that we'vestuck an applique on top.
That's not it at all.
It's squares that have a 3Delement built into the structure
of the square.
So yeah, so that was a hugeamount of fun and it was

(58:13):
actually pretty challenging.
It was quite a short timewindow for the designs for this,
but it's a collaborationbetween myself, Shana, more of
Sweet Shana on Instagram, andCeline Simon, so Crafty CC on
Instagram as well.
They're really well knownthere.
And all of the designs are 3dor have a 3d element to it and

(58:38):
there's lots of differentcategories so there's animals
there's flowers there's abstractfruits and foods so things like
a little waffle stitch grannysquare and yeah lots of just fun
fun designs so that one hasn'tbeen published yet it's coming
out at the end of the year but ican i can give you some more

(58:58):
details of that after the showand if people want to watch keep
an eye out on my instagram orthrough my newsletter they'll
hear about it when it comes out.

Brittany (59:06):
Wonderful.
Yeah.
I wanted to mention thosebecause I, like I said, I know
there are so many people whoreally, really enjoy making
granny squares and it soundslike the, you've got a lot of
options there.
I know a hundred in one and yousaid quite a few in the other
one.
So yeah.
Yeah.

Caitie (59:23):
Sorry.
In the, in the second book, the3d granny squares, I think
that's also a hundred.
And, um, It includes someprojects as well.
So some really creative ways touse your granny squares, which
is a lot of fun.

Brittany (59:36):
very cool yes I will definitely have the information
in the show notes as soon as itis available but of course
always having that backup offollowing you on Instagram I'm
sure you'll be posting about itthere so I will have your
Instagram handle and that sortof thing over on the show notes
so you can head over there andKatie thank you so much this has

(59:57):
been such a pleasure I'm reallyreally excited now about making
a granny square and putting itin a frame so so thank you for
that and thank Thank you forsharing so much with my audience
today.
Thank you.
It's been really special to behere.
All right.
There you have it.
That's Katie from ThorsbyCottage.
Katie, thank you so much.
It was so much fun chattingwith you about yarn today, and

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I'm so glad we were able tocapture that message for the
world to hear.
Now, if you're interested ingranny squares like we are, and
you maybe want to look intothose two books that she
mentioned here at the end, Iwill have all of that
information linked in the shownotes below.
for this episode, which is behooked.com slash one four zero.
Just type that into yourbrowser, scroll down a little

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bit.
You'll see a section calledlinks and resources mentioned in
this episode, and that's whereyou'll find it.
I'll also have Katie'sInstagram handle there.
So you can connect with her ifyou would like, certainly follow
her just so you can see herbeautiful pictures.
And I will also have her blogand her website up there in case
you want to check out some ofher patterns that she has
available.
One last thing before I go, Iwant to mention that today's

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episode was brought to you by myBlueprint course, Tunisian
Crochet for Beginners.
This class is certainly one ofthose projects that I am
incredibly proud of.
It's helped a lot of peoplelearn how to do Tunisian crochet
and apply that in their craftylife.
Sometimes we just need a littlechange of pace, right?
Katie and I talked about that.

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I am certainly one of thosepeople that really needs to
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I love a routine and I reallywant to live by one.
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Now, crochet is my first love.
I always go to that first.
But sometimes when I findmyself not super thrilled with
the project that I'm creating,sometimes I just need to put it
down, walk away for a littlebit, and I'll typically pick up
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The motions and the stitchesare just different enough to
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I'm still using a crochet hook.
I'm still creating with myhands.
And that's why I love it somuch.
It's also why I spent so muchtime putting this course
together with Blueprint so thatI could teach you how to do this

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part of the craft if it'ssomething that you're interested
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So Tunisian Crochet forBeginners, as I mentioned, is
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So if you head over tobhooked.com slash tcfb, that
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A lot of times they have somesales going on and that sort of

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On that page, you'll also seethe full curriculum so you know
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I was so excited.
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Thanks again and have awonderful weekend.
Bye-bye.