August 30, 2024 • 56 mins
In this mind-blowing episode of The Bible Says Podcast, hosts Brandon Matheson and Matt Hunter dive into one of the most mysterious chapters of the Bible: Genesis 6. They unravel the enigma of the Nephilim, the "fallen ones," and explore the supernatural events that shaped the antediluvian world. Are these giants just myth, or do they reveal deeper truths about our past and future? Join us as we examine biblical prophecy, delve into the supernatural, and uncover the incredible connections between Genesis 6 and today’s world. Prepare to have your worldview challenged as we lay the groundwork for understanding a biblical, supernatural worldview that’s more relevant than ever in these end times.
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Join us over the next several episodes as we unlock the secrets of Genesis 6 and its influence on the Biblical narrative. This episode promises to reshape your understanding of ancient biblical narratives. We'll challenge common misconceptions about the Bible, early human populations, and shed light on the controversial union of the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men." We also explore the belief that our current cultural and biblical developments signal significant prophetic fulfillments, suggesting that we might be living in the end times.
Dive deep with us into biblical references and ancient myths, where we draw compelling parallels between half-human, half-god beings across different cultures and the biblical narrative. Using scriptural texts from Job and Psalms, we'll present a compelling case for the "sons of God" as angels, discussing their potential rebellion and interaction with humanity. By the end of this episode, you'll have a richer perspective on these ancient tales and their relevance to today’s prophetic landscape.
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Brandon (00:09):
What does the Bible say ?
The Bible says the Bible sayspodcast.
All right, we want to welcomeeverybody into the Bible Says
podcast for another excitingepisode and we thank you guys
(00:31):
for tuning in tonight.
And I'm Brandon Matheson, asalways, and this is Matt Hunter,
and we are looking forward to anew topic, a new night and
episode number 13.
A new night and episode number13.
So this is.
It's been a minute since we'vebeen in the recording studio a
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couple of weeks but we've justhad crazy schedules.
But we're excited to pound outa few episodes here and just
exciting stuff we're going toget into over the next few
episodes.
We are going to delve into someBible prophecy and Bible
prophecy via the past of theBible and tying in what has been
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with what's coming and delveinto the supernatural a little
bit.
And delve into the supernaturala little bit, we are going to
delve into one of the mostmysterious chapters in all the
Bible Genesis, chapter number 6.
One of the most mysterioustopics of the Nephilim, the
fallen ones, and so we're goingto get into that.
So, matt, how's it going?
Welcome tonight, good.
Matt (01:38):
Excited.
You know I love this stuff thecrazier it gets, the more I love
it.
Going down the rabbit holes,yeah.
Brandon (01:45):
Yeah, that's always fun .
I remember what we're going totalk about tonight.
I remember a few years ago,when I first discovered this it
was probably nearly 10 years agothat my eyes really got opened
to the Genesis 6 narrative, tothe Genesis 6 narrative that led
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to kind of the change of aworldview of Deuteronomy 32,
which we'll get into, and nottonight probably, but future
episodes and I just rememberreading, studying hour after
hour after hour, and just beingmind-blown and telling other
people what I was finding outand they're just— and they're
like whoa, wait a minute.
It says what your Bible says,what the Bible says what yeah,
(02:32):
yeah, yeah, That'd be a goodtitle for these.
The Bible says what yeah?
Because I mean it's, it'sabsolutely mind blowing what I
mean.
Some of the things that we'regoing to get into show you the
supernatural realm that is justall around us and what's going
on.
We're going to look at a lot ofthe supernatural things that
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were going on in the Bible, alot of things involving angels.
We're going to look at demonicpowers, demons, unclean spirits.
We're going to look and tie allthat and one of the big
takeaways because when you getinto where we're headed, if you
walk up to a random stranger onthe street and you just say a
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couple of things, they're goingto think you're crazy, unless
you lay the groundwork and buildthe case.
And so that's what we're goingto try to do is build the case
and begin to lay the groundworkthat your Bible really does talk
about this stuff and it's crazy, yeah, and honestly, digging
into this stuff and looking atthis stuff changes the context
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of so many pieces of the Bible.
Matt (03:40):
It makes you understand them better and your things that
you know got you scratchingyour head like, why did God tell
them to do that?
And when you understand theGenesis 6 narrative, the
Deuteronomy 32, when you getinto those pieces and figure
those out, you're like, ah,that's why he said that it
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begins to make sense and thingsbegin to click together Like ah,
that's why he said that itbegins to make sense and things
begin to click together.
Brandon (04:05):
Yeah, absolutely.
There's a lot of questions thatI have now that I didn't back
when I first started, but a lotof answers and a lot of links
have been linked together andspaces filled in in a lot of
questions that people have abouttheir Bible.
You know, why does it seem thatGod is so angry at certain
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groups of people in the OldTestament and he's annihilating
them and completely destroyingthem?
Well, what if we tell you thatit's not a negative against the
character of God?
It is actually.
You don't understand the fulldynamic of who these people are
and what they are.
Matt (04:45):
Yeah, That'd be a good way to say it without Without
saying it, without saying it.
Brandon (04:50):
Right.
Well, you know, and I want tosay this as we get into this,
and I talk about this as many ofyou know I'm a pastor of a
local church.
Matt's an elder in our church.
We started this Bible Sayspodcast.
I'm a pastor of a local church.
Matt's an elder in our church.
We started this Bible Sayspodcast.
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It is my belief very stronglyand I believe I can speak for
Matt as well that we are livingin what would be termed as the
last days or the end times, andI don't say that lightly.
I grew up in church, I grew uparound preachers who said that
and I think they believed it.
But I think up around preacherswho said that and I think they
believed it, but I think a lotof generations have said that
and then that generation passesoff the scene.
But there's been anacceleration of certain aspects
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of our culture and anacceleration of certain biblical
passages that I really honestlythink in the last 70 years, 75
years, we have seen anacceleration toward the
culmination of the seven-yeartribulation period the return,
the coming return of the king tothis earth bodily the rapture
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of the church, obviouslypreceding that that we've talked
about earth bodily the raptureof the church, obviously
preceding that that we've talkedabout.
But I mean, this is it's just,it's mind-blowing stuff.
We are in the end times and whatwe're going to get into, the
supernatural concepts that we'regoing to begin to introduce,
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these are these fit like a gloveinto the end times conversation
, because what you're going tofind out is what has been, is
about to be again.
And tonight we're going to takeyou to the antediluvian world or
the pre-flood world, and we aregoing to show you what it was
like prior to the flood.
And we're going to show you inyour Bible and in coming weeks
we're going to tie in some otherhistorical records the book of
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Enoch, things like that we'regoing to begin to have this
conversation.
But I just want this to be assomeone who studied the Nephilim
, the last days, the book ofRevelation, the book of Daniel,
for a long, long time in my life, the Nephilim in Genesis 6 for
about almost 10 years in my life, I find it, when I get in a
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conversation with some folks,sometimes it's hard to catch
them up what has taken me 10years to arrive at.
So what we're going to do andattempt to do in these episodes
is to lay the groundwork for aworldview, a supernatural
worldview.
Um, that uh really plays, playsinto to the biblical narrative
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what the bible says and uh,what's coming yeah, because you
can't have biblical beliefwithout a supernatural worldview
that's right.
No, you cannot.
You have to have a because it'sa supernatural book.
It is Right.
After all, like I know, somepeople have problems sometimes
with the supernatural in theirBible.
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It's like, well, do you reallybelieve that donkey, that he
spoke with an ape, and I'm likeyou're going to have a problem
with that a donkey speaking, butyour whole belief system is
pinned.
That a guy came back from thedead, yeah, and then he raised
people from the dead.
That Jesus came back from thedead, yeah, right, so like yeah,
but some Christians and I hopeyou're not one of them out there
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are, like you pick and choosewhich parts of the Bible you
believe.
That's one of our foundationbedrock principles around here.
We believe everything the Biblesays and when it's meant to be
taken literally, we take itliterally.
If it's using hyperbole ormetaphors, we will take it that
way.
And if you rightly divide theword and pray over it and read
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it in context and things, likethat it's not that complicated.
God wrote the book to beunderstood, so with that I guess
we will get into it.
So to kind of set the stagewith where we want to go, at the
beginning here tonight there isa verse and I want to's often
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misunderstood.
Matthew 24, I think, ranksright up there with Hebrews,
chapter 6, in one of the mostcontroversial passages, because
people align their propheticbeliefs off of Matthew 24 and 25
.
And some believe it's spokenjust to Israel and some believe
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it's spoken to Israel and thechurch and some just kind of
pick and choose differentscriptures out of it and verses
out of it and make their ownbeliefs.
And it's a breeding ground fora lot of bad theology, I think.
But Matthew 24, when rightlyunderstood, I think, deals with
the Jewish people in particularand the coming, the second
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coming, of Christ, and I believethat it dovetails into the
millennial age and things likethat.
But prior to Jesus sayingreferencing his coming back to
this earth, he says a verse orhe says what is recorded in
Matthew 24, verse 37.
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It says but as the days of Noah, or Noah, it says in the King
James.
But it means Noah.
But as the days of Noah were,so shall also the coming of the
Son of man be, For, as in thedays that were before the flood,
they were eating and drinking,marrying and giving in marriage
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until the day that Noah enteredinto the ark.
Okay, so every prophecy teacherthat I've ever heard somewhere
along the line uses this phraseas in the days of Noah?
Okay, as in the days of Noah,and it is a reference to what
conditions are going to be likeon this earth.
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You know, at the end, and so atthe end it's going to be like
it was in the days of Noah, oras it was in the beginning.
So it's going to be at the end.
So what in the world does thatmean?
Noah?
The days of Noah, they wereeating and drinking, giving in
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marriage, marrying and giving inmarriage until the day that
Noah entered into the ark.
And so a lot of people wonderwhat does that mean?
The days of Noah?
So tonight we want to ask thatquestion.
Jesus said hey, this is howit's going to be, this is what
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the, the culture, is going to belike, this is what the, the,
the temperature, is going to belike, as it was in the days of
noah.
So if you want to know what itwas like in the days of no, you
got to go to Genesis.
Matt (11:44):
Genesis 6.
Brandon (11:45):
So let's go to Genesis.
If you have a Bible, followalong with us.
We always encourage you to takea pen or a highlighter and make
notes in your Bible.
But Noah was obviously he wasthe 10th from Adam.
Okay, and if you do the math,from Genesis chapter 5, there's
about 1,656 years from thecreation or recreation to the
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flood, 1,656 years of mankindand 10 generations that are
talked about in the Bible.
Okay, 10 specific generations.
It's not everybody that was onthe earth, obviously, but it is
the line that God gives.
From Adam to Noah there's tengenerations of father,
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grandfather and on down to Noah.
So what we refer to in that timeframe that covers from Genesis
chapter 1 until about Genesischapter 6.
Chapter 7, you have the flood,chapter 7 and 8.
And so you are kind ofintroduced to this concept of
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pre-flood world or what we callthe antediluvian age.
Okay, so Matt has it In Genesischapter 6, we just want to read
Genesis chapter 6, verses 1through 4,.
Okay, for right now we're goingto circle back in just a little
while to this, but I want tointroduce a couple concepts here
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to you and maybe this isforeign to you, okay, and I want
to introduce how this is taughtby a lot of traditional
religions and then how it shouldbe taught based on what the
Bible says.
After all, we are the BibleSays podcast, okay.
So I want to read this and Iwant us to be thinking, because
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what we're about to read isgoing to kind of mess up some of
you guys' worldview.
It's going to flip the script.
It's going to spin you around.
Your head's going to bespinning here in a minute
because you're going to find outthat there was a lot of really
weird stuff going on before theflood, in a sexual sense, in a
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genetic manipulative sense.
Okay, and so, without furtherado, let's read maybe, if not
one of the most misunderstoodsections of Scripture in all the
Bible.
Most preachers just skip rightover this.
Most Bible teachers, they don'twant to touch it with a 10 foot
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pole and and and they don'twant to touch it because they
don't understand it.
Okay, and I'm not saying we'renot elevating ourselves, saying
we understand it all, but we'renot afraid of anything in the
Bible to to come at it andapproach it, look at it, think
on it, meditate on it.
So let's read Genesis 6, 1through 4, and you guys read it
with us and see how crazy thisis.
Matt (14:45):
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the
face of the earth and daughterswere born unto them, that the
sons of God saw the daughters ofmen, that they were fair and
they took them wives of allwhich they chose.
And the Lord said my spiritshall not always strive with man
, for that he also is flesh, yethis day shall be 120 years.
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There were giants in the earthin those days and also after
that, when the sons of god cameunto the daughters of men and
they bear children to them.
The same became mighty menwhich were of old men, of renown
.
Brandon (15:22):
Okay.
So if you look at those verses,that is quite a phenomenal when
you begin to break it down wordby word, line by line.
A phenomenal series of events.
Okay, so, when men began tomultiply on the face of the
earth and daughters were bornunto them, okay, so you have
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Adam and Eve to multiply on theface of the earth and daughters
were born unto them.
Okay, so you have, uh, adam andEve, uh, fathering the, um, uh,
you know, mankind on the earth.
And most people reallymisunderstand.
They think, you know, there'sthis misconception out there
that it was Adam and Eve andCain and Abel for a long long
time, and then Cain and Abel fora long long time, and then Cain
kills Abel, and then it wasSeth and he had like four people
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and they were like you know,they didn't know how to start
fires and they stumbled on firesone day and they were like fire
, you know, I mean, and they'rekind of, you know, neanderthals
and things like that.
That is not the concept.
In fact, these were probably,okay, probably and there's a lot
of reasons for this these folksprior to the flood were way
smarter than we are, okay, firstof all, they lived a lot longer
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.
Okay, and I found out one thingthe longer you live, right, the
smarter you get right.
That's why younger people areliberals and as they get older,
they get to be conservatives.
Right, because when you'reyoung you're traditionally dumb,
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and the older you get, thesmarter you get.
Okay, can you imagine if youlived 100 or 200 years how smart
you would be?
Okay?
There's also environmentalreasons, because the world prior
to the flood was different thanthe world after the flood.
Okay, and uh, so bodies agedifferently.
Uh, you can make a very goodcase that this, uh, prior to the
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flood, it was like a greenhousetype effect.
I mean, for lack of a betterterm.
There's a lot of thoughts onthis and I don't want to
subscribe to just any of them,but that's why things grew
bigger, lasted longer, livedlonger.
Matt (17:26):
Yeah, I mean and you had no rain Right.
So I mean literally in theflood story, water came up from
the ground and wateredeverything.
Brandon (17:38):
Yeah, and from the top and the bottom.
But yeah, you had like abuilt-in irrigation system into
the earth and so the great deepthe Bible says that it was
opened up.
So you have a lot going onprior to the flood and here you
have the beginning of themultiplying of these generations
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.
So you have a lot going onprior to the flood and here you
have the beginning of themultiplying of these generations
.
So what happens and I've readsome articles and some folks
who've studied this out waysmarter than I am who talk about
, you know, just, for example,the explosion of the American
population.
Okay, you had a few thousandfolks here in, like the 1600s,
in the early to mid-16 1600s onthe East Coast, and then now we
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have what?
350 million.
All right, so a lot of themhave immigrated, but a lot of
them are descendants, andpopulations explode over time
and when you have hundreds ofyears to work with, or 1,656
years to work with, and a lot ofpeople are marrying and giving
in marriage, you're going tohave a population explosion.
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Well, what happens is Genesis6.1 says that this begins to
happen, population begins toexplode, and verse 2 says it
says that the sons of God sawthe daughters of men that they
were fair and they took themwives of all which they chose.
Okay, so these sons of God sawthe daughters of men and took
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them wives from them becausethey were pretty, they were
sexually attracted to them andthey took them wives.
Now, if I just pull that up, Iwant to see if I remember
correctly here and I may bemistaken, I'm going off my
memory but verse number two, letme see here.
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One of the definitions of theword took is the word seize, or
like snatch, capture, and so theidea here is that you have sons
of God seeing the verybeautiful daughters of men and
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they take them wives of allwhich they chose.
It doesn't say that they askthem out on a date.
It says they chose them, theyjust took him and they took him.
That's the way, if you want toliterally be true to Genesis
6-2,.
That's the way it reads, okay.
But then when you get to versenumber 4, it says the result of
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these sons of God taking thesedaughters of men and they marry
them, they sleep with, with them, they impregnate them, and what
comes out is a very odd thingokay, yeah, so there were giants
in the earth in those days,okay, verse four.
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And also after that, when thesons God there's those sons of
God again came in unto thedaughters of men that is
speaking to a sexual sense andthey bear children.
To them the same the childrenbecame mighty God and daughters
of men became men of renown,mighty men.
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That word there is the wordgibberim, okay, or gibbor.
Gibbor in the singular,gibberim I am in Hebrew
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represents plural, okay, so youhave the gibberim coming from
this union of the sons of Godand the daughters of men.
Now, the first part of chapter4 says there were giants in the
earth in those days, okay, andalso after that, when.
So the giants are connected tothe when of the sons of God
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coming into the daughters of men, okay, so you see a couple
things.
Their offspring are mighty men,gibor or gibbering, okay, but
they are also men of renown,very well-known, storied,
legendary men.
Okay, but the first part of theverse says they were giants.
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Now Matt tell us that wordgiant, there is the key word
that many people key in on inthis section of Scripture.
What?
Matt (22:11):
is that word?
Yeah, and that is in Hebrew,nephilim In Hebrew, which the
meaning, the possible meaning,probable meaning of the roots of
that word is fallen ones,nephal, nephal, nephal, and it's
the plural.
This would be the plural of the.
You know, got the I-M on theend Yep, the plural of the fall.
Brandon (22:30):
Nephal, nephal, right Fall.
N-e-p-h, yep, yep,n-e-p-h-i-l-i-m.
I think I'm saying it right,yeah, Okay, so you have the
nephal, which means the fallenones.
Now, when you read that, Iremember reading.
I remember my dad I think itwas my dad had a book and it was
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like I can't remember exactlythe name of it, but it was
something along the lines ofhard questions in the Bible or
tough questions in the Bible,along the lines of hard
questions in the Bible or toughquestions in the Bible.
And I remember because I wasalways drawn to controversy and
I guess that's theconspiratorial side of you know
a lot of people get into that,but you always want to know the
tough questions.
And I remember flipping throughthere and I remember coming
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across this section of Scriptureand seeing and wondering myself
, as I was a little kid, youngperson, what in the world is
going on there?
That's weird.
Now a lot of people believe thatthe sons of God are angels.
Okay, and there's anotherviewpoint that is very
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traditional and let me read youthis, because don't tell John
Rich because I saw his podcastwith Tucker Carlson and he
slammed the Schofield ReferenceBible, which I have and I use
and I love it and I'm used to it.
So, john, don't hate me, butGenesis, chapter six, in the
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Schofield's notes.
Here's what Schofield says, andI actually agree that Schofield
is wrong here and we'll get tothat.
But here's what Schofield says.
He says some hold that thesesons of God were the angels
which kept not their firstestate.
In Jude, chapter six, it isasserted that the title is in
the Old Testament exclusivelyused of angels.
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But this is an error.
Angels are spoken of in asexless way.
Okay, no, female angels arementioned in Scripture.
All right, so that's one of thearguments.
Like it couldn't be angels,it's got to be humans, because
angels are never mentioned in a.
This is the argument, evenafter 100 years.
Well, angels can't have sex andangels are they neither.
Matt (24:43):
First of all, you go into the Matthew thing.
Brandon (24:46):
Well, we'll look at that, Remind me.
Let's circle back around tothat, but that's the argument.
Some people believe that thisis not talking about angels, and
Scofield was among those.
He believes this.
Okay, let me see here.
He said let me find it.
The uniform Hebrew andChristian interpretation has
been that verse two marks thebreaking down of the separation
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between the godly line of Sethand the godless line of Cain.
Okay, okay, so that is one view.
Is that the good old boys ofSeth, the good guys, married the
bad girls of the descendants ofhis brother, cain, and so the
good boys married the bad girls,or who was it?
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You know who LA Marzulli is,I've heard.
Yeah, okay, so LA Marzulli saysthat the good boys of Seth
married the hoochie mamas ofCain, and that's how he said.
That's how people view it andhe doesn't subscribe to that.
He thinks they're angels.
Matt (25:49):
And the thing is okay, you've got a man and a woman,
Right.
If it's Seth, the sons of Seth,you've got a man and a woman.
They don't get together andcreate a giant.
Brandon (26:00):
You're thinking too much.
Matt (26:02):
Okay.
Brandon (26:05):
I mean they create other babies.
Is that normal men and womendon't create?
Matt (26:12):
a.
Brandon (26:13):
Nephilim, or a fallen one, a beast, a mighty gibbereem
, right that's thinking againright, yeah, that's thinking
Right, yeah.
Matt (26:26):
Well, the other thing I will push back on.
You know what Schofield wrote.
From my research, traditionalJewish people, their traditional
writings, everywhere in theirtraditional writings, everywhere
in their traditional writingsthat I can find, the sons of God
were angels.
Were always men, angels.
Well, divine beings, right,depending on who was writing it.
Brandon (26:52):
They might not have called them angels, but they
were not human, so they weredivinely created beings
according to Jewish tradition.
And that has to be factored in,because if you took a 2,000
years ago, if you took a Jew,they're going to have a
different worldview than we havetoday.
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And I'm going to say this Isaid this recently publicly and
I believe this, this I said thisrecently publicly and I believe
this the worldview that we havebeen taught in school, the
worldview that we have been fedby a lot of our history books,
is wrong.
Okay, now, that doesn't meanthat everything you were taught
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in school is wrong, but there'sa lot of it that has just been
feeding the culture to producean enslaved population married
to a certain thought process,because it benefits the powers.
That be okay.
And there's an anti-God elementto that where they want to deny,
you know, for example,evolution, things like that.
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They want to deny anintelligent creator behind human
beings.
But the argument is who arethese sons of God?
All right, so what's going onin Genesis 6?
Let's just keep a 30,000-footview here.
Sons of God, daughters of men,have created giants, the King
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James says, but the word thereactually should be Nephilim.
It's a different race of people, okay, and they are giants.
We find out later in Scriptureand we'll look at it.
One of the evidences, you know,that they are the fallen it
says you know the fallen ones,but one of the characteristics
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of them is that they'reextremely tall.
So I think it kind of became,you know, easy to say that
they're giants and we see giantsall throughout the Old
Testament.
We're going to get into thatand they're still here, I think,
and we'll get into that.
But the who are the sons of Godis the big takeaway question
here.
Okay, so there's two leadingviews.
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It's the Sethite view that wejust kind of presented, that
Seth's descendants intermarriedwith the wicked descendants of
Cain and created kind of a badmixed, you know, population that
God was upset about.
Okay, a couple quick points,you know, like on on that.
The initial, like things thatmake you say I don't know about
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that is what matt said.
You know, you know human beingsdon't produce, um, monstrous
babies generally, uh, so I don'tknow I've seen our nursery I've
seen some ugly babies, but oh,yeah, yeah, we don't go there.
Matt (29:35):
Yeah, we don't want to go there, not in our nursery, it
was in somebody else's nurseryNever.
We're going to get in trouble.
I'm just kidding.
Brandon (29:44):
Thank you for clarifying.
Yes, hey, but the phrase thereokay, so we want to go with what
the Bible says.
Okay, so the little phrasethere, the sons of God, that's
used twice in Genesis, chapter 6, verse 2, in Genesis, chapter 6
, verse 4.
It is the Hebrew phrase bene?
B-e-n-e, bene ha, H-A, Elohim,so bene ha, Elohim, E-L-O-H-I-M.
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Okay, and, by the way, ElohimGod.
You know we always say thatthat's God's name.
This is a different topic for adifferent day, but that's not
necessarily God's name.
God is an Elohim, which is aspiritual being.
He is the Lord, God.
He is the supreme Elohim.
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There are other spiritualthings, spiritual beings that he
creates, that are under him andsubservient to him, but he is.
Matt (30:47):
They are also called Elohim.
Brandon (30:49):
They are called Elohim and maybe we'll get into that.
Matt (30:51):
That's why I kind of hedged that thing on the
traditional Jewish view Right,because some of them say that it
was Elohims that came in to thedaughters of men.
Brandon (31:01):
Right, well, it was B'nai Elohims.
Matt (31:05):
Yeah, it was sons of God or sons of Elohim Right, and
their interpretation was that itwas because they're sons of
Elohim.
They are Elohim.
Brandon (31:15):
Right, right.
Well, let's look at what theBible says, because I think
there's about there's if I'm notmistaken, it's either nine or
11 times.
The phrase sons of God is usedin the Bible, some in the New
Testament to refer to humanbeings, okay, but there's about
counting.
Genesis, chapter 6, verses 2and verses 4, there's 1, 2, 3, 4
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, 5, there's about 7 referencesin the Old Testament that use
the little phrase b'nai Elohim,and let's just see what they
mean.
Job, chapter number 1.
Do you have Job, chapter 1?
Matt (31:54):
1 and 6.
Brandon (31:58):
What does it say in Job , chapter 1, verse 6?
Matt (32:01):
Okay, so now there was a day when the sons of God came to
present themselves before theLord, and Satan came also among
them.
Brandon (32:12):
Okay so there was a day when the sons of God, the B'nai
Ha'Elohim that is the Hebrewsame as Genesis, chapter 6, came
to present themselves from theLord.
This is the famous story of Job.
Okay, guess who was among them?
Satan himself.
Satan is a fallen.
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You fill in the blank?
Yep, angel, right, he was anangelic being.
He was a created being by God.
And here you see the B'naiElohim and Satan closely
connected in Job, chapter number1, verse 6.
Chapter 2, verse 1 says thesame thing.
Job, chapter 2.
Matt (32:51):
Okay, Job, chapter 2, verse 1.
Again, there was a day when thesons of god came to present
themselves before the lord, andsatan came also among them to
present himself before the lordokay.
Brandon (33:04):
So there it says it again.
There's another day that the,the sons of god, the angels of
god, come back and satan has tocome with them.
By the way, this is satan inhis fallen state.
He has to check in with God andreport, according to Job, into
God about his whereabouts andwhat he's been doing.
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Although God knows where youbeen, well, I've been going to
and fro in the earth, up anddown in it, he says, and he
gives that answer.
He has to check in.
But the point of showing youJob 1.6 and chapter 2, verse 1
of Job is to show you that theword b'nei Elohim in those two
instances be an angel.
Okay, all right.
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Now look at Job.
Chapter 38, verse 7 reads thisone job.
38, verse 7, job 38, 7.
Matt (34:02):
Okay, and I'll go with six .
Whereupon are the foundationsthereof fastened, or who laid
the cornerstone thereof, whenthe morning star sang together
and all the sons of god shoutedfor joy?
Brandon (34:16):
okay.
So the morning stars singtogether and the sons of God
shout for joy on the day, thefoundation of the earth was laid
Was laid.
Yeah, that's important.
That is because mankind was nothere.
Yeah, okay, mankind was nothere on the day the earth, the
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foundation was laid, all right,but on that day all the sons of
God, right, shouted for joy, allthe B'nai Ha Elohim.
So there are three referencesin the oldest book of the Bible,
the inspired word of God, thatreference the phrase bene?
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Elohim to angels.
Okay, now I want to read Psalm,chapter number 29.
Okay, and I'm reading from theKing James version, and it does
not use the phrase sons of Godin the English translation, but
in the Hebrew it uses the exactsame words b'nai Elohim.
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Psalm, chapter 29, verse 1, itsays given to the Lord, o ye
mighty.
Okay, it calls them the mightyand it's the b'nai ha Elohim.
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Okay, given to the Lord O yemighty.
Chapter 29, the mighty, theB'nai Elohim is referencing
angels.
It is the B'nai Elohim and he'ssaying to the angels given to
the Lord glory and strength.
Now, if I flip over to Psalm 89, it uses the word again B'nai
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Elohim, and I believe it's todescribe angels here.
And I just want to show you,just for the sake of showing you
, psalm 89.6,.
It says for who in heaven canbe compared unto the Lord.
Who, among the sons of themighty, can be likened unto the
Lord?
The sons of the mighty, theB'nai Elohim, the sons of the
mighty, can be likened unto theLord, the sons of the mighty,
the bene?
Elohim, the sons of the mighty.
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So who in heaven is like theLord?
Well, who's in heaven?
It's not human beings at thistime, right, it is the bene?
Elohim.
So, so the big takeaway here isthis Every scripture and that's
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it.
That is the entirety of the OldTestament.
Okay, now you can go to the NewTestament and you can get words
, verses.
Like you know, he came into hisown and his own received him
not, but as many as he receivedhim to them gave he power to
become the sons of God.
You can get it in a NewTestament context.
Okay, after the cross context,but prior to the cross, the sons
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of God and Old Testament,speaking wise, sons of God
always equals angels.
Okay, matt brought out the pointsons of God in a Hebrew
historical context was angels.
Okay, the guys like Josephusand the guys who were writing
the histories, even who were notBible-believing Christians,
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right, who did not accept Christ.
They will acknowledge thatthere was the.
In the anti-Dolivian world,there was a rebellion against
God by the sons of God or theangels of God, and they sinned
against God by taking humanwomen, copulating with them and
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creating a race of Nephilim,fallen ones, giants, mighty men,
men of renown, legendary men.
Okay, now, these were giants,okay, and they were ruling
giants.
Now think about this for asecond.
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How much in our culture, allright, so just think about this,
because if you're starting downthis journey, here's what I'm
saying, and I just want to bereal clear about it.
I am saying that, before theflood, eternal created beings
angels, not human beings createdspiritual, eternal beings who,
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if they had not sinned againstGod, they would never have been.
They would have lived forever.
They were eternal, right.
They came down to earth andtook human women and created a
hybrid, mixed human being thatwas half supernatural and half
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human.
Now, that being said so thinkabout it half human, half
supernatural.
Daddy is supernatural, eternalbeing, all right, eternally
created, son of God, all right.
Mom is a human being.
And they took them, bred withthem and created a hybrid DNA
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compromise.
They took human DNA and angelicand mixed it together and what
came out was mighty men, men ofrenown, giants, monstrous men.
Think about that for a second.
Now think about back up for asecond.
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You eat an elephant, one biteat a time.
History's of different myths andlegends throughout history.
How many times do we see halfhuman, half God mixed with human
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mothers?
Okay, greek mythology is filledwith it.
Ancient mythos is filled withstories of Hercules and giant
men and giant this, whose motherwas a human being but his dad
was a god, and they fill allthis.
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Let me tell you somethingDoesn't mean that everything in
those mythologies were real, butI will say this I think there
may be some truth to a lot of it, with the names and things like
this, because it is recorded inthe bible that these hybrid
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beings were made.
Yeah, and they were the men ofrenown, they were the legendary
men.
Well, what do we have?
We have legends today that westill tell.
Matt (41:05):
Yeah, oh yeah, and the thing is doing research for this
.
Okay, I've got one, two, three,four, five, six that I pulled
out Six.
What four five, six that?
Brandon (41:20):
I pulled out.
Matt (41:20):
Six what Flood stories Right From six different time
periods, groups of people allover the world.
Brandon (41:26):
Well, you showed me the first one there.
Just read that one.
Matt (41:30):
The Sumerian myth.
You know the Epic of Gilgamesh,gilgamesh Right, okay, so it's
the oldest known flood story.
Supposedly so.
The right okay, so it's theoldest known flood story.
Supposedly so the writingspredate any writings that we
have the bible, right, okay, soit's basically where god decides
to flood the earth.
But one man uh, I can't evenpronounce his name is worn by
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god, and their god's name is aor l is worn by God, and their
God's name is A or L which.
Elohim yeah, very similar.
He builds a boat and survivesthe flood and his family and
animals, and after the floodhe's granted immortality.
And his survival of the flood,and how God later divides the
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responsibilities and dominionsover the earth among his other
angelic children, right, or theother gods, right?
So the polytheist?
Right like the greeks withmultiple gods, the romans with
multiple gods, very similar.
You know, you got the AkkadianBabylonians.
Brandon (42:38):
Same kind of story, so they all believed in story flood
, but they also had charactersin it that were of mixed race
Mixed race.
Between human being and God, asthey would say yeah, okay, you
have.
Now I want you to think aboutthis.
A few years ago, I watched theNoah movie with Russell Crowe.
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Okay, so go back and watch theNoah movie with Russell Crowe in
light of this topic that we'retalking about on the Bible Says
podcast, because what you'regoing to see is that Hollywood
knows what a lot of Christiansdon't know is that Genesis 6
really played out and you seethese monstrous beings
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interacting with Noah and hisfamily and being on the earth,
these giant beings at the timeof the flood.
Okay, so we need to be veryclear about this.
You are not being honest withyourself if you believe that the
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sons of God if you want to betrue to the text are anything
but angels.
Okay, so these angels did rebelagainst God, and I know, as you
hear, that you probably have,like I did when I first heard
that you probably have, like Idid when I first heard that I
had a million questions.
Well, why, how do they do that?
I thought angels were.
Well, let's just go there, lookup the scripture map, because a
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lot of people believe thatangels are.
They are sexless, they cannothave, they cannot procreate, and
so one of the big pushbacks isthis well, it can't be angels,
because the Bible says certainthings about angels that in
heaven they're not married,given in marriage, and that
means that they can't havesexual relations, and things
like that.
Now I want you to look up thatscripture and then I want to
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show everybody one more thatjust uh came, came to my mind
and uh want to uh share this.
I think this will shed a lot oflight, um on, on where we've
been.
So look up the, the scriptureyou got it about the marriage
and getting marriage.
Matt (44:53):
We're in matthew 22 and 30 okay, what does that say so for
in the resurrection.
The resurrection they neithermarry nor are given in marriage,
but are as the angels of God inheaven.
Brandon (45:07):
Okay.
So this is the famous questionof will you be married in heaven
?
Will you know your spouse andall that kind of stuff God says
in Scripture.
He says that you will be likethe angels in heaven who neither
marry or are given in marriage.
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Okay, key point.
Matt (45:33):
There's a key point there.
They're in heaven, they're inheaven, not on earth.
Brandon (45:36):
Yeah, it says in heaven , the obedient angels, right,
okay?
Yeah, our Father, which art inheaven?
What does he say?
He goes on.
He says thy will be done onearth as it is in heaven, all
right.
So in heaven all right.
Things are done to God's willand his preference.
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On earth we know this fromliving through it there's a lot
of rebellion that goes into theearth.
Now the angels sinned by comingdown on the earth all right and
seeing the women.
It does not say in that versethat they cannot have sexual
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relations.
It says that in heaven they'renot married and they're not
given in marriage.
Okay, it does not say so.
Don't draw a conclusion.
A lot of people draw theconclusion?
Matt (46:33):
oh well, they don't.
They're spiritual beings, theydon't have a physical body.
Brandon (46:38):
Can I address that one?
Matt (46:40):
You can.
I've got one or a verse thatwill address that too.
Go ahead To hit that.
Hebrews 13 and 2, be notforgetful to entertain strangers
, for thereby some haveentertained angels unaware.
Brandon (46:59):
Exactly so.
There's the warning there thatwatch out who you interact with
in human form, because you mightbe talking to an angel, right?
Yeah, matt, you could betalking to an angel right now.
You didn't know it, right?
Yeah?
No, I doubt it.
Yeah, yeah, but you couldinteract with an angel in bodily
form Very much could.
Okay.
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So now let me say this to you InJude, okay, in the book of Jude
, it's in your New Testament,right before the book of
Revelation.
Here is what it says in Jude.
There's only one chapter inJude, and it's verse number five
.
Jude says I will therefore putyou in remembrance, though you
once knew this, how that theLord, having saved the people
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out of the land of Egypt,afterward destroyed them that
believed not.
Watch this.
And it says and the angels.
So he's talking about thejudgment of God, all right, how
God judges sinful actions.
And he says God judged Egypt,okay.
Then in verse number six, hesays God judged Egypt, okay.
Then in verse number six, hesays and the angels which kept
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not their first estate, okay,but left their own habitation he
hath reserved in everlastingchains under darkness, unto the
judgment of the great day.
So Jude, chapter one, versenumber six.
And here's I want to show youthis because this is fascinating
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Jude, chapter one, verse numbersix and the angels which kept
not their first estate okay.
That word is only used twice inthe whole New Testament, in the
whole Bible, the word Orcuterionis only used twice.
And it says in verse six thatthe angels that sinned against
God, kept not their first estateor their first Orcuterion.
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Here's what Orcuterion meansKept not their first residence,
kept not their first house, okay, so the angels did not keep
their first residence or house.
Now, the only other time thatit is used in the New Testament,
paul uses it in 2 Corinthians,and he says this for we know
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that if our earthly house ofthis tabernacle be dissolved, we
have a building of God and ahouse not made with hands
eternal in the heavens, for inthis we groan earnestly yeah,
which is from heaven.
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So we desire, as believers, tobe clothed with another body.
Okay, yep, that's what Paulsaid.
Well, guess what Jude said?
The angels did not keep theirfirst body, but they traded and
changed their first estate, okay, into another Orcuterion.
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They changed their housing, ifyou will.
Which angels?
The angels that sinned.
Then it says this they kept nottheir first habitation.
Okay, the word habitation isthe word Orcutarian, the word I
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mixed up.
I said the word estate was theword Orcutarian, it is the word
habitation.
Up.
I said the word estate was theword orcitarian.
It is the word habitation, Okay, habitation.
But they left, or they tradedtheir own habitation, their own
orcitarian.
We desire to be closed on withour orcitarian from above our
body.
Well, they traded their body.
Okay, that is Jude, verseschapter 1, verse 6.
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Okay, here's where we're at.
These are angels.
Angels can have sex if theytrade their body.
Okay, now, as we go into futureepisodes, we're going to get
into not only what the Biblesays, but we're going to get
into not only what the Biblesays, but we're going to get
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into what the book of Enoch saysand Jewish historical documents
, how it backs up all of thesethings.
But suffice it to say this okay, the Bible says that the B'nai
Elohim were angels.
It is very clear Now where wego from here, and Matt and I
have talked about this.
This is phenomenal and crazyand makes your head spin.
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But you can go in a milliondifferent directions because
there's so many trails on thisroad, there's so many exits off
this interstate, if you will.
But where I want to go nextafter this is I want to get into
where.
Back in Genesis 6, we understandwhat was going on, and now we
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understand who are thecharacters, who are the players
in this, and we know that it'sthe angels of God.
So it brings up a lot ofquestions and hopefully we'll
answer these as we go along.
Like you know, how did they dothis?
Why were they on earth?
Why were the angels on earth tobegin with?
And then I want to show youbecause in the Jewish historical
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record, the Bible tells uswhere this happened, where these
angels came down and took thesewomen happened, where these
angels came down and took thesewomen, and I think it will be
very eye opening and very justunbelievable when you realize
where this happened.
And Matt and I we've actuallybeen to that spot in Israel,
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where this happened, in NorthernIsrael, and we're going to take
you there.
Maybe we could even show apicture.
I don't know if we can do that.
Maybe we can show a picture.
Let's show a picture.
I don't know if we can do that,maybe.
Oh yeah, we can show a picture.
Matt (52:41):
Let's show a picture.
Can't do it on the audioversion.
Brandon (52:43):
I can't do it but you could do it.
But I want to go there and Iwant to go to Genesis 6 again
too, and I want to find out whatthey were doing and why.
Because what you see is rightafter this mixing of the human
women and the angels of God, andthe sexual nature of their
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relationship, the offspring thatthey produce, the next thing
that you see is God getting fedup with humanity and deciding to
write them off.
And so I want to look at allthat and I want to look at these
things and I want us to realizethat there is a lot playing out
behind the scenes,supernaturally.
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But let's look and just partingthoughts here tonight.
Summary-wise, we've learned thatin the days of Noah, in the
days of Noah, they were marrying, given in marriage, pre-flood.
They were taking wives, angelsof God taking human wives,
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creating giants Nephilim, okay,very tall.
Yes, they were giants, buttheir dads were fallen ones and
they were gibbering.
They were mighty men, men ofrenown and, walking through
Scripture, we see that theseclearly were angels.
Well, it couldn't have beenangels, because they can't have
sex.
Well, we've showed you thatthey traded their habitation,
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their outer, covering theirresidence, their body, if you
will, to be able to sin againstGod.
So that's a lot to take in.
Matt (54:19):
It's a lot to take in, and the thing about this is this
bit of scripture that nobodyunderstands, nobody wants to dig
into, is literally the centraltheme for the entire biblical
narrative.
The rest of the Bible, yep, andpeople don't understand that.
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And you can't understand therest of it fully without
understanding this.
Brandon (54:46):
Absolutely, Absolutely.
And so anything else to add tothis episode, or do you want to
just kind of pin it there andwe'll pick up?
Matt (54:54):
next time Pin it there and pick up with some digging in
deeper next time.
Brandon (54:59):
Get ready, get your Bibles open, get your pens out,
seatbelts on.
Yeah, absolutely, we hope youenjoyed this conversation and we
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little over, and we try to keepit in that realm so you can take
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I think this is going to bemultiple, multiple episodes.
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hurry through it, we want totake you to what the Bible says
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What does the Bible say ?
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All right, we want to welcomeeverybody into the Bible Says
podcast for another excitingepisode and we thank you guys
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for tuning in tonight.
And I'm Brandon Matheson, asalways, and this is Matt Hunter,
and we are looking forward to anew topic, a new night and
episode number 13.
A new night and episode number13.
So this is.
It's been a minute since we'vebeen in the recording studio a
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couple of weeks but we've justhad crazy schedules.
But we're excited to pound outa few episodes here and just
exciting stuff we're going toget into over the next few
episodes.
We are going to delve into someBible prophecy and Bible
prophecy via the past of theBible and tying in what has been
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with what's coming and delveinto the supernatural a little
bit.
And delve into the supernaturala little bit, we are going to
delve into one of the mostmysterious chapters in all the
Bible Genesis, chapter number 6.
One of the most mysterioustopics of the Nephilim, the
fallen ones, and so we're goingto get into that.
So, matt, how's it going?
Welcome tonight, good.
Matt (01:38):
Excited.
You know I love this stuff thecrazier it gets, the more I love
it.
Going down the rabbit holes,yeah.
Brandon (01:45):
Yeah, that's always fun .
I remember what we're going totalk about tonight.
I remember a few years ago,when I first discovered this it
was probably nearly 10 years agothat my eyes really got opened
to the Genesis 6 narrative, tothe Genesis 6 narrative that led
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to kind of the change of aworldview of Deuteronomy 32,
which we'll get into, and nottonight probably, but future
episodes and I just rememberreading, studying hour after
hour after hour, and just beingmind-blown and telling other
people what I was finding outand they're just— and they're
like whoa, wait a minute.
It says what your Bible says,what the Bible says what yeah,
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yeah, yeah, That'd be a goodtitle for these.
The Bible says what yeah?
Because I mean it's, it'sabsolutely mind blowing what I
mean.
Some of the things that we'regoing to get into show you the
supernatural realm that is justall around us and what's going
on.
We're going to look at a lot ofthe supernatural things that
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were going on in the Bible, alot of things involving angels.
We're going to look at demonicpowers, demons, unclean spirits.
We're going to look and tie allthat and one of the big
takeaways because when you getinto where we're headed, if you
walk up to a random stranger onthe street and you just say a
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couple of things, they're goingto think you're crazy, unless
you lay the groundwork and buildthe case.
And so that's what we're goingto try to do is build the case
and begin to lay the groundworkthat your Bible really does talk
about this stuff and it's crazy, yeah, and honestly, digging
into this stuff and looking atthis stuff changes the context
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of so many pieces of the Bible.
Matt (03:40):
It makes you understand them better and your things that
you know got you scratchingyour head like, why did God tell
them to do that?
And when you understand theGenesis 6 narrative, the
Deuteronomy 32, when you getinto those pieces and figure
those out, you're like, ah,that's why he said that it
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begins to make sense and thingsbegin to click together Like ah,
that's why he said that itbegins to make sense and things
begin to click together.
Brandon (04:05):
Yeah, absolutely.
There's a lot of questions thatI have now that I didn't back
when I first started, but a lotof answers and a lot of links
have been linked together andspaces filled in in a lot of
questions that people have abouttheir Bible.
You know, why does it seem thatGod is so angry at certain
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groups of people in the OldTestament and he's annihilating
them and completely destroyingthem?
Well, what if we tell you thatit's not a negative against the
character of God?
It is actually.
You don't understand the fulldynamic of who these people are
and what they are.
Matt (04:45):
Yeah, That'd be a good way to say it without Without
saying it, without saying it.
Brandon (04:50):
Right.
Well, you know, and I want tosay this as we get into this,
and I talk about this as many ofyou know I'm a pastor of a
local church.
Matt's an elder in our church.
We started this Bible Sayspodcast.
I'm a pastor of a local church.
Matt's an elder in our church.
We started this Bible Sayspodcast.
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It is my belief very stronglyand I believe I can speak for
Matt as well that we are livingin what would be termed as the
last days or the end times, andI don't say that lightly.
I grew up in church, I grew uparound preachers who said that
and I think they believed it.
But I think up around preacherswho said that and I think they
believed it, but I think a lotof generations have said that
and then that generation passesoff the scene.
But there's been anacceleration of certain aspects
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of our culture and anacceleration of certain biblical
passages that I really honestlythink in the last 70 years, 75
years, we have seen anacceleration toward the
culmination of the seven-yeartribulation period the return,
the coming return of the king tothis earth bodily the rapture
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of the church, obviouslypreceding that that we've talked
about earth bodily the raptureof the church, obviously
preceding that that we've talkedabout.
But I mean, this is it's just,it's mind-blowing stuff.
We are in the end times and whatwe're going to get into, the
supernatural concepts that we'regoing to begin to introduce,
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these are these fit like a gloveinto the end times conversation
, because what you're going tofind out is what has been, is
about to be again.
And tonight we're going to takeyou to the antediluvian world or
the pre-flood world, and we aregoing to show you what it was
like prior to the flood.
And we're going to show you inyour Bible and in coming weeks
we're going to tie in some otherhistorical records the book of
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Enoch, things like that we'regoing to begin to have this
conversation.
But I just want this to be assomeone who studied the Nephilim
, the last days, the book ofRevelation, the book of Daniel,
for a long, long time in my life, the Nephilim in Genesis 6 for
about almost 10 years in my life, I find it, when I get in a
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conversation with some folks,sometimes it's hard to catch
them up what has taken me 10years to arrive at.
So what we're going to do andattempt to do in these episodes
is to lay the groundwork for aworldview, a supernatural
worldview.
Um, that uh really plays, playsinto to the biblical narrative
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what the bible says and uh,what's coming yeah, because you
can't have biblical beliefwithout a supernatural worldview
that's right.
No, you cannot.
You have to have a because it'sa supernatural book.
It is Right.
After all, like I know, somepeople have problems sometimes
with the supernatural in theirBible.
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It's like, well, do you reallybelieve that donkey, that he
spoke with an ape, and I'm likeyou're going to have a problem
with that a donkey speaking, butyour whole belief system is
pinned.
That a guy came back from thedead, yeah, and then he raised
people from the dead.
That Jesus came back from thedead, yeah, right, so like yeah,
but some Christians and I hopeyou're not one of them out there
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are, like you pick and choosewhich parts of the Bible you
believe.
That's one of our foundationbedrock principles around here.
We believe everything the Biblesays and when it's meant to be
taken literally, we take itliterally.
If it's using hyperbole ormetaphors, we will take it that
way.
And if you rightly divide theword and pray over it and read
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it in context and things, likethat it's not that complicated.
God wrote the book to beunderstood, so with that I guess
we will get into it.
So to kind of set the stagewith where we want to go, at the
beginning here tonight there isa verse and I want to's often
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misunderstood.
Matthew 24, I think, ranksright up there with Hebrews,
chapter 6, in one of the mostcontroversial passages, because
people align their propheticbeliefs off of Matthew 24 and 25
.
And some believe it's spokenjust to Israel and some believe
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it's spoken to Israel and thechurch and some just kind of
pick and choose differentscriptures out of it and verses
out of it and make their ownbeliefs.
And it's a breeding ground fora lot of bad theology, I think.
But Matthew 24, when rightlyunderstood, I think, deals with
the Jewish people in particularand the coming, the second
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coming, of Christ, and I believethat it dovetails into the
millennial age and things likethat.
But prior to Jesus sayingreferencing his coming back to
this earth, he says a verse orhe says what is recorded in
Matthew 24, verse 37.
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It says but as the days of Noah, or Noah, it says in the King
James.
But it means Noah.
But as the days of Noah were,so shall also the coming of the
Son of man be, For, as in thedays that were before the flood,
they were eating and drinking,marrying and giving in marriage
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until the day that Noah enteredinto the ark.
Okay, so every prophecy teacherthat I've ever heard somewhere
along the line uses this phraseas in the days of Noah?
Okay, as in the days of Noah,and it is a reference to what
conditions are going to be likeon this earth.
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You know, at the end, and so atthe end it's going to be like
it was in the days of Noah, oras it was in the beginning.
So it's going to be at the end.
So what in the world does thatmean?
Noah?
The days of Noah, they wereeating and drinking, giving in
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marriage, marrying and giving inmarriage until the day that
Noah entered into the ark.
And so a lot of people wonderwhat does that mean?
The days of Noah?
So tonight we want to ask thatquestion.
Jesus said hey, this is howit's going to be, this is what
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the, the culture, is going to belike, this is what the, the,
the temperature, is going to belike, as it was in the days of
noah.
So if you want to know what itwas like in the days of no, you
got to go to Genesis.
Matt (11:44):
Genesis 6.
Brandon (11:45):
So let's go to Genesis.
If you have a Bible, followalong with us.
We always encourage you to takea pen or a highlighter and make
notes in your Bible.
But Noah was obviously he wasthe 10th from Adam.
Okay, and if you do the math,from Genesis chapter 5, there's
about 1,656 years from thecreation or recreation to the
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flood, 1,656 years of mankindand 10 generations that are
talked about in the Bible.
Okay, 10 specific generations.
It's not everybody that was onthe earth, obviously, but it is
the line that God gives.
From Adam to Noah there's tengenerations of father,
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grandfather and on down to Noah.
So what we refer to in that timeframe that covers from Genesis
chapter 1 until about Genesischapter 6.
Chapter 7, you have the flood,chapter 7 and 8.
And so you are kind ofintroduced to this concept of
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pre-flood world or what we callthe antediluvian age.
Okay, so Matt has it In Genesischapter 6, we just want to read
Genesis chapter 6, verses 1through 4,.
Okay, for right now we're goingto circle back in just a little
while to this, but I want tointroduce a couple concepts here
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to you and maybe this isforeign to you, okay, and I want
to introduce how this is taughtby a lot of traditional
religions and then how it shouldbe taught based on what the
Bible says.
After all, we are the BibleSays podcast, okay.
So I want to read this and Iwant us to be thinking, because
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what we're about to read isgoing to kind of mess up some of
you guys' worldview.
It's going to flip the script.
It's going to spin you around.
Your head's going to bespinning here in a minute
because you're going to find outthat there was a lot of really
weird stuff going on before theflood, in a sexual sense, in a
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genetic manipulative sense.
Okay, and so, without furtherado, let's read maybe, if not
one of the most misunderstoodsections of Scripture in all the
Bible.
Most preachers just skip rightover this.
Most Bible teachers, they don'twant to touch it with a 10 foot
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pole and and and they don'twant to touch it because they
don't understand it.
Okay, and I'm not saying we'renot elevating ourselves, saying
we understand it all, but we'renot afraid of anything in the
Bible to to come at it andapproach it, look at it, think
on it, meditate on it.
So let's read Genesis 6, 1through 4, and you guys read it
with us and see how crazy thisis.
Matt (14:45):
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the
face of the earth and daughterswere born unto them, that the
sons of God saw the daughters ofmen, that they were fair and
they took them wives of allwhich they chose.
And the Lord said my spiritshall not always strive with man
, for that he also is flesh, yethis day shall be 120 years.
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There were giants in the earthin those days and also after
that, when the sons of god cameunto the daughters of men and
they bear children to them.
The same became mighty menwhich were of old men, of renown
.
Brandon (15:22):
Okay.
So if you look at those verses,that is quite a phenomenal when
you begin to break it down wordby word, line by line.
A phenomenal series of events.
Okay, so, when men began tomultiply on the face of the
earth and daughters were bornunto them, okay, so you have
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Adam and Eve to multiply on theface of the earth and daughters
were born unto them.
Okay, so you have, uh, adam andEve, uh, fathering the, um, uh,
you know, mankind on the earth.
And most people reallymisunderstand.
They think, you know, there'sthis misconception out there
that it was Adam and Eve andCain and Abel for a long long
time, and then Cain and Abel fora long long time, and then Cain
kills Abel, and then it wasSeth and he had like four people
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and they were like you know,they didn't know how to start
fires and they stumbled on firesone day and they were like fire
, you know, I mean, and they'rekind of, you know, neanderthals
and things like that.
That is not the concept.
In fact, these were probably,okay, probably and there's a lot
of reasons for this these folksprior to the flood were way
smarter than we are, okay, firstof all, they lived a lot longer
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.
Okay, and I found out one thingthe longer you live, right, the
smarter you get right.
That's why younger people areliberals and as they get older,
they get to be conservatives.
Right, because when you'reyoung you're traditionally dumb,
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and the older you get, thesmarter you get.
Okay, can you imagine if youlived 100 or 200 years how smart
you would be?
Okay?
There's also environmentalreasons, because the world prior
to the flood was different thanthe world after the flood.
Okay, and uh, so bodies agedifferently.
Uh, you can make a very goodcase that this, uh, prior to the
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flood, it was like a greenhousetype effect.
I mean, for lack of a betterterm.
There's a lot of thoughts onthis and I don't want to
subscribe to just any of them,but that's why things grew
bigger, lasted longer, livedlonger.
Matt (17:26):
Yeah, I mean and you had no rain Right.
So I mean literally in theflood story, water came up from
the ground and wateredeverything.
Brandon (17:38):
Yeah, and from the top and the bottom.
But yeah, you had like abuilt-in irrigation system into
the earth and so the great deepthe Bible says that it was
opened up.
So you have a lot going onprior to the flood and here you
have the beginning of themultiplying of these generations
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.
So you have a lot going onprior to the flood and here you
have the beginning of themultiplying of these generations
.
So what happens and I've readsome articles and some folks
who've studied this out waysmarter than I am who talk about
, you know, just, for example,the explosion of the American
population.
Okay, you had a few thousandfolks here in, like the 1600s,
in the early to mid-16 1600s onthe East Coast, and then now we
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have what?
350 million.
All right, so a lot of themhave immigrated, but a lot of
them are descendants, andpopulations explode over time
and when you have hundreds ofyears to work with, or 1,656
years to work with, and a lot ofpeople are marrying and giving
in marriage, you're going tohave a population explosion.
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Well, what happens is Genesis6.1 says that this begins to
happen, population begins toexplode, and verse 2 says it
says that the sons of God sawthe daughters of men that they
were fair and they took themwives of all which they chose.
Okay, so these sons of God sawthe daughters of men and took
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them wives from them becausethey were pretty, they were
sexually attracted to them andthey took them wives.
Now, if I just pull that up, Iwant to see if I remember
correctly here and I may bemistaken, I'm going off my
memory but verse number two, letme see here.
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One of the definitions of theword took is the word seize, or
like snatch, capture, and so theidea here is that you have sons
of God seeing the verybeautiful daughters of men and
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they take them wives of allwhich they chose.
It doesn't say that they askthem out on a date.
It says they chose them, theyjust took him and they took him.
That's the way, if you want toliterally be true to Genesis
6-2,.
That's the way it reads, okay.
But then when you get to versenumber 4, it says the result of
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these sons of God taking thesedaughters of men and they marry
them, they sleep with, with them, they impregnate them, and what
comes out is a very odd thingokay, yeah, so there were giants
in the earth in those days,okay, verse four.
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And also after that, when thesons God there's those sons of
God again came in unto thedaughters of men that is
speaking to a sexual sense andthey bear children.
To them the same the childrenbecame mighty God and daughters
of men became men of renown,mighty men.
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That word there is the wordgibberim, okay, or gibbor.
Gibbor in the singular,gibberim I am in Hebrew
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represents plural, okay, so youhave the gibberim coming from
this union of the sons of Godand the daughters of men.
Now, the first part of chapter4 says there were giants in the
earth in those days, okay, andalso after that, when.
So the giants are connected tothe when of the sons of God
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coming into the daughters of men, okay, so you see a couple
things.
Their offspring are mighty men,gibor or gibbering, okay, but
they are also men of renown,very well-known, storied,
legendary men.
Okay, but the first part of theverse says they were giants.
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Now Matt tell us that wordgiant, there is the key word
that many people key in on inthis section of Scripture.
What?
Matt (22:11):
is that word?
Yeah, and that is in Hebrew,nephilim In Hebrew, which the
meaning, the possible meaning,probable meaning of the roots of
that word is fallen ones,nephal, nephal, nephal, and it's
the plural.
This would be the plural of the.
You know, got the I-M on theend Yep, the plural of the fall.
Brandon (22:30):
Nephal, nephal, right Fall.
N-e-p-h, yep, yep,n-e-p-h-i-l-i-m.
I think I'm saying it right,yeah, Okay, so you have the
nephal, which means the fallenones.
Now, when you read that, Iremember reading.
I remember my dad I think itwas my dad had a book and it was
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like I can't remember exactlythe name of it, but it was
something along the lines ofhard questions in the Bible or
tough questions in the Bible,along the lines of hard
questions in the Bible or toughquestions in the Bible.
And I remember because I wasalways drawn to controversy and
I guess that's theconspiratorial side of you know
a lot of people get into that,but you always want to know the
tough questions.
And I remember flipping throughthere and I remember coming
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across this section of Scriptureand seeing and wondering myself
, as I was a little kid, youngperson, what in the world is
going on there?
That's weird.
Now a lot of people believe thatthe sons of God are angels.
Okay, and there's anotherviewpoint that is very
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traditional and let me read youthis, because don't tell John
Rich because I saw his podcastwith Tucker Carlson and he
slammed the Schofield ReferenceBible, which I have and I use
and I love it and I'm used to it.
So, john, don't hate me, butGenesis, chapter six, in the
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Schofield's notes.
Here's what Schofield says, andI actually agree that Schofield
is wrong here and we'll get tothat.
But here's what Schofield says.
He says some hold that thesesons of God were the angels
which kept not their firstestate.
In Jude, chapter six, it isasserted that the title is in
the Old Testament exclusivelyused of angels.
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But this is an error.
Angels are spoken of in asexless way.
Okay, no, female angels arementioned in Scripture.
All right, so that's one of thearguments.
Like it couldn't be angels,it's got to be humans, because
angels are never mentioned in a.
This is the argument, evenafter 100 years.
Well, angels can't have sex andangels are they neither.
Matt (24:43):
First of all, you go into the Matthew thing.
Brandon (24:46):
Well, we'll look at that, Remind me.
Let's circle back around tothat, but that's the argument.
Some people believe that thisis not talking about angels, and
Scofield was among those.
He believes this.
Okay, let me see here.
He said let me find it.
The uniform Hebrew andChristian interpretation has
been that verse two marks thebreaking down of the separation
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between the godly line of Sethand the godless line of Cain.
Okay, okay, so that is one view.
Is that the good old boys ofSeth, the good guys, married the
bad girls of the descendants ofhis brother, cain, and so the
good boys married the bad girls,or who was it?
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You know who LA Marzulli is,I've heard.
Yeah, okay, so LA Marzulli saysthat the good boys of Seth
married the hoochie mamas ofCain, and that's how he said.
That's how people view it andhe doesn't subscribe to that.
He thinks they're angels.
Matt (25:49):
And the thing is okay, you've got a man and a woman,
Right.
If it's Seth, the sons of Seth,you've got a man and a woman.
They don't get together andcreate a giant.
Brandon (26:00):
You're thinking too much.
Matt (26:02):
Okay.
Brandon (26:05):
I mean they create other babies.
Is that normal men and womendon't create?
Matt (26:12):
a.
Brandon (26:13):
Nephilim, or a fallen one, a beast, a mighty gibbereem
, right that's thinking againright, yeah, that's thinking
Right, yeah.
Matt (26:26):
Well, the other thing I will push back on.
You know what Schofield wrote.
From my research, traditionalJewish people, their traditional
writings, everywhere in theirtraditional writings, everywhere
in their traditional writingsthat I can find, the sons of God
were angels.
Were always men, angels.
Well, divine beings, right,depending on who was writing it.
Brandon (26:52):
They might not have called them angels, but they
were not human, so they weredivinely created beings
according to Jewish tradition.
And that has to be factored in,because if you took a 2,000
years ago, if you took a Jew,they're going to have a
different worldview than we havetoday.
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And I'm going to say this Isaid this recently publicly and
I believe this, this I said thisrecently publicly and I believe
this the worldview that we havebeen taught in school, the
worldview that we have been fedby a lot of our history books,
is wrong.
Okay, now, that doesn't meanthat everything you were taught
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in school is wrong, but there'sa lot of it that has just been
feeding the culture to producean enslaved population married
to a certain thought process,because it benefits the powers.
That be okay.
And there's an anti-God elementto that where they want to deny,
you know, for example,evolution, things like that.
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They want to deny anintelligent creator behind human
beings.
But the argument is who arethese sons of God?
All right, so what's going onin Genesis 6?
Let's just keep a 30,000-footview here.
Sons of God, daughters of men,have created giants, the King
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James says, but the word thereactually should be Nephilim.
It's a different race of people, okay, and they are giants.
We find out later in Scriptureand we'll look at it.
One of the evidences, you know,that they are the fallen it
says you know the fallen ones,but one of the characteristics
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of them is that they'reextremely tall.
So I think it kind of became,you know, easy to say that
they're giants and we see giantsall throughout the Old
Testament.
We're going to get into thatand they're still here, I think,
and we'll get into that.
But the who are the sons of Godis the big takeaway question
here.
Okay, so there's two leadingviews.
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It's the Sethite view that wejust kind of presented, that
Seth's descendants intermarriedwith the wicked descendants of
Cain and created kind of a badmixed, you know, population that
God was upset about.
Okay, a couple quick points,you know, like on on that.
The initial, like things thatmake you say I don't know about
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that is what matt said.
You know, you know human beingsdon't produce, um, monstrous
babies generally, uh, so I don'tknow I've seen our nursery I've
seen some ugly babies, but oh,yeah, yeah, we don't go there.
Matt (29:35):
Yeah, we don't want to go there, not in our nursery, it
was in somebody else's nurseryNever.
We're going to get in trouble.
I'm just kidding.
Brandon (29:44):
Thank you for clarifying.
Yes, hey, but the phrase thereokay, so we want to go with what
the Bible says.
Okay, so the little phrasethere, the sons of God, that's
used twice in Genesis, chapter 6, verse 2, in Genesis, chapter 6
, verse 4.
It is the Hebrew phrase bene?
B-e-n-e, bene ha, H-A, Elohim,so bene ha, Elohim, E-L-O-H-I-M.
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Okay, and, by the way, ElohimGod.
You know we always say thatthat's God's name.
This is a different topic for adifferent day, but that's not
necessarily God's name.
God is an Elohim, which is aspiritual being.
He is the Lord, God.
He is the supreme Elohim.
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There are other spiritualthings, spiritual beings that he
creates, that are under him andsubservient to him, but he is.
Matt (30:47):
They are also called Elohim.
Brandon (30:49):
They are called Elohim and maybe we'll get into that.
Matt (30:51):
That's why I kind of hedged that thing on the
traditional Jewish view Right,because some of them say that it
was Elohims that came in to thedaughters of men.
Brandon (31:01):
Right, well, it was B'nai Elohims.
Matt (31:05):
Yeah, it was sons of God or sons of Elohim Right, and
their interpretation was that itwas because they're sons of
Elohim.
They are Elohim.
Brandon (31:15):
Right, right.
Well, let's look at what theBible says, because I think
there's about there's if I'm notmistaken, it's either nine or
11 times.
The phrase sons of God is usedin the Bible, some in the New
Testament to refer to humanbeings, okay, but there's about
counting.
Genesis, chapter 6, verses 2and verses 4, there's 1, 2, 3, 4
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, 5, there's about 7 referencesin the Old Testament that use
the little phrase b'nai Elohim,and let's just see what they
mean.
Job, chapter number 1.
Do you have Job, chapter 1?
Matt (31:54):
1 and 6.
Brandon (31:58):
What does it say in Job , chapter 1, verse 6?
Matt (32:01):
Okay, so now there was a day when the sons of God came to
present themselves before theLord, and Satan came also among
them.
Brandon (32:12):
Okay so there was a day when the sons of God, the B'nai
Ha'Elohim that is the Hebrewsame as Genesis, chapter 6, came
to present themselves from theLord.
This is the famous story of Job.
Okay, guess who was among them?
Satan himself.
Satan is a fallen.
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You fill in the blank?
Yep, angel, right, he was anangelic being.
He was a created being by God.
And here you see the B'naiElohim and Satan closely
connected in Job, chapter number1, verse 6.
Chapter 2, verse 1 says thesame thing.
Job, chapter 2.
Matt (32:51):
Okay, Job, chapter 2, verse 1.
Again, there was a day when thesons of god came to present
themselves before the lord, andsatan came also among them to
present himself before the lordokay.
Brandon (33:04):
So there it says it again.
There's another day that the,the sons of god, the angels of
god, come back and satan has tocome with them.
By the way, this is satan inhis fallen state.
He has to check in with God andreport, according to Job, into
God about his whereabouts andwhat he's been doing.
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Although God knows where youbeen, well, I've been going to
and fro in the earth, up anddown in it, he says, and he
gives that answer.
He has to check in.
But the point of showing youJob 1.6 and chapter 2, verse 1
of Job is to show you that theword b'nei Elohim in those two
instances be an angel.
Okay, all right.
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Now look at Job.
Chapter 38, verse 7 reads thisone job.
38, verse 7, job 38, 7.
Matt (34:02):
Okay, and I'll go with six .
Whereupon are the foundationsthereof fastened, or who laid
the cornerstone thereof, whenthe morning star sang together
and all the sons of god shoutedfor joy?
Brandon (34:16):
okay.
So the morning stars singtogether and the sons of God
shout for joy on the day, thefoundation of the earth was laid
Was laid.
Yeah, that's important.
That is because mankind was nothere.
Yeah, okay, mankind was nothere on the day the earth, the
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foundation was laid, all right,but on that day all the sons of
God, right, shouted for joy, allthe B'nai Ha Elohim.
So there are three referencesin the oldest book of the Bible,
the inspired word of God, thatreference the phrase bene?
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Elohim to angels.
Okay, now I want to read Psalm,chapter number 29.
Okay, and I'm reading from theKing James version, and it does
not use the phrase sons of Godin the English translation, but
in the Hebrew it uses the exactsame words b'nai Elohim.
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Psalm, chapter 29, verse 1, itsays given to the Lord, o ye
mighty.
Okay, it calls them the mightyand it's the b'nai ha Elohim.
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Okay, given to the Lord O yemighty.
Chapter 29, the mighty, theB'nai Elohim is referencing
angels.
It is the B'nai Elohim and he'ssaying to the angels given to
the Lord glory and strength.
Now, if I flip over to Psalm 89, it uses the word again B'nai
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Elohim, and I believe it's todescribe angels here.
And I just want to show you,just for the sake of showing you
, psalm 89.6,.
It says for who in heaven canbe compared unto the Lord.
Who, among the sons of themighty, can be likened unto the
Lord?
The sons of the mighty, theB'nai Elohim, the sons of the
mighty, can be likened unto theLord, the sons of the mighty,
the bene?
Elohim, the sons of the mighty.
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So who in heaven is like theLord?
Well, who's in heaven?
It's not human beings at thistime, right, it is the bene?
Elohim.
So, so the big takeaway here isthis Every scripture and that's
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it.
That is the entirety of the OldTestament.
Okay, now you can go to the NewTestament and you can get words
, verses.
Like you know, he came into hisown and his own received him
not, but as many as he receivedhim to them gave he power to
become the sons of God.
You can get it in a NewTestament context.
Okay, after the cross context,but prior to the cross, the sons
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of God and Old Testament,speaking wise, sons of God
always equals angels.
Okay, matt brought out the pointsons of God in a Hebrew
historical context was angels.
Okay, the guys like Josephusand the guys who were writing
the histories, even who were notBible-believing Christians,
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right, who did not accept Christ.
They will acknowledge thatthere was the.
In the anti-Dolivian world,there was a rebellion against
God by the sons of God or theangels of God, and they sinned
against God by taking humanwomen, copulating with them and
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creating a race of Nephilim,fallen ones, giants, mighty men,
men of renown, legendary men.
Okay, now, these were giants,okay, and they were ruling
giants.
Now think about this for asecond.
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How much in our culture, allright, so just think about this,
because if you're starting downthis journey, here's what I'm
saying, and I just want to bereal clear about it.
I am saying that, before theflood, eternal created beings
angels, not human beings createdspiritual, eternal beings who,
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if they had not sinned againstGod, they would never have been.
They would have lived forever.
They were eternal, right.
They came down to earth andtook human women and created a
hybrid, mixed human being thatwas half supernatural and half
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human.
Now, that being said so thinkabout it half human, half
supernatural.
Daddy is supernatural, eternalbeing, all right, eternally
created, son of God, all right.
Mom is a human being.
And they took them, bred withthem and created a hybrid DNA
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compromise.
They took human DNA and angelicand mixed it together and what
came out was mighty men, men ofrenown, giants, monstrous men.
Think about that for a second.
Now think about back up for asecond.
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You eat an elephant, one biteat a time.
History's of different myths andlegends throughout history.
How many times do we see halfhuman, half God mixed with human
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mothers?
Okay, greek mythology is filledwith it.
Ancient mythos is filled withstories of Hercules and giant
men and giant this, whose motherwas a human being but his dad
was a god, and they fill allthis.
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Let me tell you somethingDoesn't mean that everything in
those mythologies were real, butI will say this I think there
may be some truth to a lot of it, with the names and things like
this, because it is recorded inthe bible that these hybrid
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beings were made.
Yeah, and they were the men ofrenown, they were the legendary
men.
Well, what do we have?
We have legends today that westill tell.
Matt (41:05):
Yeah, oh yeah, and the thing is doing research for this
.
Okay, I've got one, two, three,four, five, six that I pulled
out Six.
What four five, six that?
Brandon (41:20):
I pulled out.
Matt (41:20):
Six what Flood stories Right From six different time
periods, groups of people allover the world.
Brandon (41:26):
Well, you showed me the first one there.
Just read that one.
Matt (41:30):
The Sumerian myth.
You know the Epic of Gilgamesh,gilgamesh Right, okay, so it's
the oldest known flood story.
Supposedly so.
The right okay, so it's theoldest known flood story.
Supposedly so the writingspredate any writings that we
have the bible, right, okay, soit's basically where god decides
to flood the earth.
But one man uh, I can't evenpronounce his name is worn by
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god, and their god's name is aor l is worn by God, and their
God's name is A or L which.
Elohim yeah, very similar.
He builds a boat and survivesthe flood and his family and
animals, and after the floodhe's granted immortality.
And his survival of the flood,and how God later divides the
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responsibilities and dominionsover the earth among his other
angelic children, right, or theother gods, right?
So the polytheist?
Right like the greeks withmultiple gods, the romans with
multiple gods, very similar.
You know, you got the AkkadianBabylonians.
Brandon (42:38):
Same kind of story, so they all believed in story flood
, but they also had charactersin it that were of mixed race
Mixed race.
Between human being and God, asthey would say yeah, okay, you
have.
Now I want you to think aboutthis.
A few years ago, I watched theNoah movie with Russell Crowe.
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Okay, so go back and watch theNoah movie with Russell Crowe in
light of this topic that we'retalking about on the Bible Says
podcast, because what you'regoing to see is that Hollywood
knows what a lot of Christiansdon't know is that Genesis 6
really played out and you seethese monstrous beings
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interacting with Noah and hisfamily and being on the earth,
these giant beings at the timeof the flood.
Okay, so we need to be veryclear about this.
You are not being honest withyourself if you believe that the
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sons of God if you want to betrue to the text are anything
but angels.
Okay, so these angels did rebelagainst God, and I know, as you
hear, that you probably have,like I did when I first heard
that you probably have, like Idid when I first heard that I
had a million questions.
Well, why, how do they do that?
I thought angels were.
Well, let's just go there, lookup the scripture map, because a
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lot of people believe thatangels are.
They are sexless, they cannothave, they cannot procreate, and
so one of the big pushbacks isthis well, it can't be angels,
because the Bible says certainthings about angels that in
heaven they're not married,given in marriage, and that
means that they can't havesexual relations, and things
like that.
Now I want you to look up thatscripture and then I want to
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show everybody one more thatjust uh came, came to my mind
and uh want to uh share this.
I think this will shed a lot oflight, um on, on where we've
been.
So look up the, the scriptureyou got it about the marriage
and getting marriage.
Matt (44:53):
We're in matthew 22 and 30 okay, what does that say so for
in the resurrection.
The resurrection they neithermarry nor are given in marriage,
but are as the angels of God inheaven.
Brandon (45:07):
Okay.
So this is the famous questionof will you be married in heaven
?
Will you know your spouse andall that kind of stuff God says
in Scripture.
He says that you will be likethe angels in heaven who neither
marry or are given in marriage.
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Okay, key point.
Matt (45:33):
There's a key point there.
They're in heaven, they're inheaven, not on earth.
Brandon (45:36):
Yeah, it says in heaven , the obedient angels, right,
okay?
Yeah, our Father, which art inheaven?
What does he say?
He goes on.
He says thy will be done onearth as it is in heaven, all
right.
So in heaven all right.
Things are done to God's willand his preference.
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On earth we know this fromliving through it there's a lot
of rebellion that goes into theearth.
Now the angels sinned by comingdown on the earth all right and
seeing the women.
It does not say in that versethat they cannot have sexual
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relations.
It says that in heaven they'renot married and they're not
given in marriage.
Okay, it does not say so.
Don't draw a conclusion.
A lot of people draw theconclusion?
Matt (46:33):
oh well, they don't.
They're spiritual beings, theydon't have a physical body.
Brandon (46:38):
Can I address that one?
Matt (46:40):
You can.
I've got one or a verse thatwill address that too.
Go ahead To hit that.
Hebrews 13 and 2, be notforgetful to entertain strangers
, for thereby some haveentertained angels unaware.
Brandon (46:59):
Exactly so.
There's the warning there thatwatch out who you interact with
in human form, because you mightbe talking to an angel, right?
Yeah, matt, you could betalking to an angel right now.
You didn't know it, right?
Yeah?
No, I doubt it.
Yeah, yeah, but you couldinteract with an angel in bodily
form Very much could.
Okay.
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So now let me say this to you InJude, okay, in the book of Jude
, it's in your New Testament,right before the book of
Revelation.
Here is what it says in Jude.
There's only one chapter inJude, and it's verse number five
.
Jude says I will therefore putyou in remembrance, though you
once knew this, how that theLord, having saved the people
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out of the land of Egypt,afterward destroyed them that
believed not.
Watch this.
And it says and the angels.
So he's talking about thejudgment of God, all right, how
God judges sinful actions.
And he says God judged Egypt,okay.
Then in verse number six, hesays God judged Egypt, okay.
Then in verse number six, hesays and the angels which kept
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not their first estate, okay,but left their own habitation he
hath reserved in everlastingchains under darkness, unto the
judgment of the great day.
So Jude, chapter one, versenumber six.
And here's I want to show youthis because this is fascinating
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Jude, chapter one, verse numbersix and the angels which kept
not their first estate okay.
That word is only used twice inthe whole New Testament, in the
whole Bible, the word Orcuterionis only used twice.
And it says in verse six thatthe angels that sinned against
God, kept not their first estateor their first Orcuterion.
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Here's what Orcuterion meansKept not their first residence,
kept not their first house, okay, so the angels did not keep
their first residence or house.
Now, the only other time thatit is used in the New Testament,
paul uses it in 2 Corinthians,and he says this for we know
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that if our earthly house ofthis tabernacle be dissolved, we
have a building of God and ahouse not made with hands
eternal in the heavens, for inthis we groan earnestly yeah,
which is from heaven.
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So we desire, as believers, tobe clothed with another body.
Okay, yep, that's what Paulsaid.
Well, guess what Jude said?
The angels did not keep theirfirst body, but they traded and
changed their first estate, okay, into another Orcuterion.
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They changed their housing, ifyou will.
Which angels?
The angels that sinned.
Then it says this they kept nottheir first habitation.
Okay, the word habitation isthe word Orcutarian, the word I
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mixed up.
I said the word estate was theword Orcutarian, it is the word
habitation.
Up.
I said the word estate was theword orcitarian.
It is the word habitation, Okay, habitation.
But they left, or they tradedtheir own habitation, their own
orcitarian.
We desire to be closed on withour orcitarian from above our
body.
Well, they traded their body.
Okay, that is Jude, verseschapter 1, verse 6.
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Okay, here's where we're at.
These are angels.
Angels can have sex if theytrade their body.
Okay, now, as we go into futureepisodes, we're going to get
into not only what the Biblesays, but we're going to get
into not only what the Biblesays, but we're going to get
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into what the book of Enoch saysand Jewish historical documents
, how it backs up all of thesethings.
But suffice it to say this okay, the Bible says that the B'nai
Elohim were angels.
It is very clear Now where wego from here, and Matt and I
have talked about this.
This is phenomenal and crazyand makes your head spin.
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But you can go in a milliondifferent directions because
there's so many trails on thisroad, there's so many exits off
this interstate, if you will.
But where I want to go nextafter this is I want to get into
where.
Back in Genesis 6, we understandwhat was going on, and now we
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understand who are thecharacters, who are the players
in this, and we know that it'sthe angels of God.
So it brings up a lot ofquestions and hopefully we'll
answer these as we go along.
Like you know, how did they dothis?
Why were they on earth?
Why were the angels on earth tobegin with?
And then I want to show youbecause in the Jewish historical
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record, the Bible tells uswhere this happened, where these
angels came down and took thesewomen happened, where these
angels came down and took thesewomen, and I think it will be
very eye opening and very justunbelievable when you realize
where this happened.
And Matt and I we've actuallybeen to that spot in Israel,
(52:32):
where this happened, in NorthernIsrael, and we're going to take
you there.
Maybe we could even show apicture.
I don't know if we can do that.
Maybe we can show a picture.
Let's show a picture.
I don't know if we can do that,maybe.
Oh yeah, we can show a picture.
Matt (52:41):
Let's show a picture.
Can't do it on the audioversion.
Brandon (52:43):
I can't do it but you could do it.
But I want to go there and Iwant to go to Genesis 6 again
too, and I want to find out whatthey were doing and why.
Because what you see is rightafter this mixing of the human
women and the angels of God, andthe sexual nature of their
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relationship, the offspring thatthey produce, the next thing
that you see is God getting fedup with humanity and deciding to
write them off.
And so I want to look at allthat and I want to look at these
things and I want us to realizethat there is a lot playing out
behind the scenes,supernaturally.
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But let's look and just partingthoughts here tonight.
Summary-wise, we've learned thatin the days of Noah, in the
days of Noah, they were marrying, given in marriage, pre-flood.
They were taking wives, angelsof God taking human wives,
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creating giants Nephilim, okay,very tall.
Yes, they were giants, buttheir dads were fallen ones and
they were gibbering.
They were mighty men, men ofrenown and, walking through
Scripture, we see that theseclearly were angels.
Well, it couldn't have beenangels, because they can't have
sex.
Well, we've showed you thatthey traded their habitation,
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their outer, covering theirresidence, their body, if you
will, to be able to sin againstGod.
So that's a lot to take in.
Matt (54:19):
It's a lot to take in, and the thing about this is this
bit of scripture that nobodyunderstands, nobody wants to dig
into, is literally the centraltheme for the entire biblical
narrative.
The rest of the Bible, yep, andpeople don't understand that.
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And you can't understand therest of it fully without
understanding this.
Brandon (54:46):
Absolutely, Absolutely.
And so anything else to add tothis episode, or do you want to
just kind of pin it there andwe'll pick up?
Matt (54:54):
next time Pin it there and pick up with some digging in
deeper next time.
Brandon (54:59):
Get ready, get your Bibles open, get your pens out,
seatbelts on.
Yeah, absolutely, we hope youenjoyed this conversation and we
try to keep these podcasts toabout 55 minutes to an hour a
little over, and we try to keepit in that realm so you can take
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an hour at a time and listen toit on your way to and from work
or however you got to do that,or cooking supper or something
like that.
We really appreciate you guystuning in.
This is episode 13.
We're going to be coming rightback at you.
Episode 14 and beyond.
We're going to get into a lot.
I think this is going to bemultiple, multiple episodes.
As we begin to dig into allthis, because we don't want to
hurry through it, we want totake you to what the Bible says
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and then we want you to see itfor yourself and really let it
sink in to your mind.
But we do appreciate you andGod bless you and hope that you
are blessed by this.
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Matt (56:11):
Tell us what you like, what you don't like.
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