September 6, 2024 • 62 mins
In Episode 14 of The Bible Says Podcast, Brandon Matheson and Matt Hunter pick up where they left off, diving deeper into the Days of Noah and the supernatural truths hidden in Genesis 6. Who were the sons of God, and what was really happening before the flood? The hosts uncover these ancient mysteries, connect them to New Testament teachings, and explore their impact on the spiritual warfare we face today.
Join us for the next several episodes as we unlock the secrets of Genesis 6 and its profound influence on the biblical narrative. These episodes promise to reshape your understanding of ancient scripture, biblical prophecy, and the controversial union between the sons of God and the daughters of men. We also delve into the prophetic implications of current cultural developments, suggesting we may be living in the end times.
Dive deep with us into biblical references and ancient writings. By the end of this episode, you'll gain a richer perspective on these ancient tales and their relevance to today’s prophetic landscape.
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Brandon (00:09):
What does the Bible say ?
The Bible says the Bible sayspodcast.
All right, welcome back.
Bible says Podcast.
How are you, matt?
I'm well, how are you Good,good, good, good.
We are back in the saddle onceagain this evening, picking up
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where we left off in episode 13.
This is episode 14 of the BibleSays Podcast.
We welcome everybody in tonight.
My name is Brandon Matheson,this is Matt Hunter, as always,
and it is our joy to bring toyou another episode tonight.
And we have been talking aboutthe days of Noah.
The days of Noah, we are lineupon line, precept upon precept,
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laying a foundation to show youwhat is going on in our world
today.
As we approach and near and allof us here for sure, and many
out there in Christianity, inthe body of Christ, sense that
this is the end times, theculmination of days, that the
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Lord's imminent return is near,and so we're wondering what has
gone on in the past in thespiritual realm, what is going
on now in the spiritual realm?
And because the Bible says, aswe said last time, as we looked
that in Matthew, chapter 24, letme just read this to you from
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the Olivet Discourse, matthewchapter 24, let me just read
this to you from the OlivetDiscourse, matthew, chapter 24,
verse number 37 and 38.
It says but as the days of Noahwere, so shall also the coming
of the Son of man be, for as inthe days that were before the
flood, they were eating anddrinking, marrying and giving in
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marriage, until the day thatNoah entered into the ark.
Okay, so the Bible is clear.
Jesus is clear that during theend times, as the days approach
before his return, it will bejust like it was in the days of
Noah.
So we pose the question whatwas that?
What is that like the days ofNoah?
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So we posed the question whatwas that?
What is that like the days ofNoah?
And to get those answers, wewent to Genesis, chapter 6, and
that's where we spent a lot ofour time on the last episode,
because Genesis chapter 6 is oneof the most controversial and
often misunderstood passages inall the Bible, and let's just
read it for the sake of readingit one more time.
It says and it came to passwhen men began to multiply on
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the face of the earth anddaughters were born unto them
that the sons of God saw thedaughters of men, that they were
fair, and they took them wivesof all which they chose.
So you have populationincreasing, you have these
characters, the sons of God, andyou have these other characters
, the daughters of men.
And as the population grows,the sons of God see that the
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daughters of men are fair or arebeautiful, and the Bible says
that they take them, and itspeaks to force.
They took them wives of allwhich they chose, all right.
And then verse number threesays and the Lord said, my
spirit shall not always strivewith man, for that.
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He is also flesh.
Yet his day shall be 120 years.
There were giants in the earth.
Verse four in those days therewere giants in the earth.
That word giant, there's theword nephal, or it comes from
the Greek, the root word nephal,which is fallen ones, and it's
the word nephalum.
So if you wanted to be reallyaccurate, there were nephalum in
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the earth in those days.
In some modern translationsthat's exactly how they
translate that verse.
And it says in those days, andalso after that and we're going
to get to the after that downthe line when the sons of God
came in unto the daughters ofmen and they bare children to
them, the same became mighty menwhich were of old men of renown
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.
So what we talked about lastweek is that these sons of God
bred with these daughters of menand they created an offspring
that was for lack of a betterterm monstrous.
They were tall, they weregiants, they were mighty.
Gibberim, uh, uh, gibbor is theword there in the hebrew.
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They were men of renown, theywere legendary men, the ones
that the myths and the storieswere told about.
That's who their sons weretheir.
Their fathers were the sons ofgod, their daughters were their.
Their mothers were the?
Uh, daughters of men.
So we we naturally posed thequestion what's a son of god?
Yeah, okay, and last time, justto catch you back up in case
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you missed it the son of god.
We came away with the takeaway.
Every time you look up thatphrase in the Old Testament, it
means angel created, being madeby God, and every time all seven
times in the Old Testament itis referencing angel Most of
those times.
Three of them are in the bookof Job, a couple in the book of
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Psalms and a couple in the bookof Genesis, where we just read.
So the sons of God are angelsof God.
They are not the children ofSeth, they are not the offspring
of the godly line of Seth.
That is, to me, a very weakargument that is just afraid of
getting into the supernatural.
So that's kind of where we weended with.
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The takeaway last week on thelast episode is that these sons
of God were in fact angels ofGod, and it brought up some
questions that we were asking.
By way of summary, well, Ithought angels couldn't marry,
couldn't have sex, couldn't dothose things.
How can they do that?
And we showed you those verses.
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We didn't hide from them.
We showed you that in theresurrection they neither marry
nor are given in marriage, butare like the angels in heaven
Keyword in heaven.
The angels that rebelled againstGod and took these women did
not do it in heaven, they did iton earth.
They did not do it in thepresence of God, they did it on
earth in direct rebellion.
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I know God's everywhere, butthere's a lot of rebellion that
goes on on the earth, okay, andthey rebelled against God.
Well, how did they do it?
We'll show you this again.
They did it by exchanging theirhousing, or the Greek word is
orchitarion.
It's used twice in the NewTestament.
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The other time it's used for usdesiring our house from heaven
as Christians from God, and sowe kind of that's the gist of
what we learned last week.
Sons of God, angels, they lefttheir first estate, they
exchanged their habitation ortheir orcitarian.
Matt (07:06):
There are dozens of examples of that.
You know all throughout theBible of angels taking human
form, taking on human form, yep,yep.
Brandon (07:13):
And Matt pointed out a great point last week that be
careful when you're talking topeople.
You might be entertaining anangel, unaware why?
Well, because it looks like ahuman.
Okay, it is a human, it's ahuman body, but it's an angelic
being.
We know also that that works onthe flip side, on the evil side
as well.
You could be encountering afallen angel or a demonic power,
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unclean spirit, things likethat, even though you're talking
to a human being.
So anyway, but I want to goback to Genesis, chapter 6
tonight, and I want us to lookat that because you know, we
established who these guys are.
They are angels, undoubtedly.
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But why is God doing what he'sdoing?
Okay, god doing what he's doing, okay.
Why does God get so upset afterthis period of these angels
rebelling?
And something happens?
Because man has rebelledalready.
I mean, adam and Eve sinned.
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The curse came upon them, buthe did not flood the earth, he
did not destroy and kill them,he let them live.
But when we get to Genesis,chapter six, god has reached a
straw that broke the camel'sback point and he destroys the
earth.
When we get back, when we getdown here to chapter number
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seven and eight.
He destroys the earth by aflood and saves eight people
Noah and his wife and his threeboys and their wives, and that's
it.
And so where is all this comingfrom?
And I want to show you where Ithink it's coming from, and I
want you to see this, becausewhat do we have here?
And we said last week that thetakeaway is that angels of God
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took daughters of men, humanwomen, and they had sex with
them, and they produced a hybridhuman being that is half human
and half supernatural, angelicbeing.
And so you have these hybrids.
We talked about the mythos allthroughout many cultures, the
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Greek God, pantheon and allthose kinds of things who they
worship, gods who are half humanand half supernatural, and so
this is a phenomenal concept,but it actually is grounded in
biblical truth and what theBible says.
Now I want to show you Genesis,chapter number three, and I
want to show you an interestingverse in light of what we
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learned last week.
Remember when Adam and Evesinned against God because the
serpent tempted Eve.
Eve ate of the fruit, eve gaveit to Adam.
And then God shows up, walkingin the cool of the day.
He wants to know what's up.
He's trying to find Adam andEve and he's like where are you
guys?
And they're like, well, we hidbecause we're naked.
And he's like I told you youwere naked, did you eat the
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fruit?
They have this wholeconversation with God and God
says, first of all, he says toAdam, adam, what'd you do?
And he talks to Adam anddirects him and he announces his
punishment on him.
Then he talks to Eve, okay, andhe says to her, you know,
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pronounces the punishment uponher In fact I think I got that
backwards, it was Adam and thenhe talks to the servant, and
then Eve last.
But he comes one by one, by one, to each of them and he comes
to the serpent who is.
Revelation tells us that oldserpent, the devil.
So Satan here, our adversary,is what it means.
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He is here in this picture, inthis story.
And the Lord God verse 14 ofGenesis 3, said unto the serpent
Because thou hast done this,thou art cursed above all cattle
and above every beast of thefield.
Cursed above all cattle andabove every beast of the field.
Upon thy belly shalt thou goand dust shalt thou eat all the
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days of thy life.
Now notice this verse, number 15.
This is the punishmentpronounced on the serpent.
He says this and I will putenmity between thee and the
woman, and between thy seed andher seed, and it shall bruise
thy head and thou shalt bruisehis heel.
This is a very strange verse,but a very prophetic verse when
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you understand it.
There was enmity or hatred putbetween the serpent and the
woman and the serpent's seed ifyou notice the wording there and
the woman's seed.
His seed would bruise the head,her seed would bruise the head,
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his seed would bruise the heel.
Okay, so what is this talkingabout?
Well, when you get to Genesis,chapter 6, you have angelic
beings okay, in fact, justangelic beings just like Satan,
taking on another bodily formand breeding for lack of a
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better term with women andmessing up the human genome that
God made and distorting it andchanging it into something that
it was never meant to be.
You have a war between the seedof the woman and the seed of
the serpent.
Now, it's very interesting herethat God said the serpent is
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going to have seed, you're goingto have offspring.
Okay, in fact, I'll say thiswhen you get to the New
Testament, okay, and you go to Ithink it's 2 Thessalonians in
chapter 2, and you're talkingabout the Antichrist.
The Bible calls him the son ofperdition or the son of
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destruction.
Okay, but it's interesting, heis the son of all that destroys,
okay, so some have evensurmised that maybe even the
antichrist who will assume thatrole, maybe even a direct
offspring of Satan, could thatbe possible?
Could Satan have children?
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Yes, okay, yes, he can have.
Okay, and a big part of whatthey do in Satanism today is
revolving around worship ofSatan, but is also revolving
around sexual deviancy, okay.
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So the seed war of Genesis,chapter number 3, verse 15.
I mean, you have a war declaredand God says, hey, you're going
to hate each other and there'sgoing to be a war between your
seed, the woman's seed, and theserpent's seed.
So I want you to see that Satanhas seed and that's going to be
important later on, because Ibelieve, even to this day and
what's coming in the future, thedays of Noah will be like the
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days of the end times.
The end times will be like thedays of Noah and vice versa.
So I want you to understandthat.
Now, back in Genesis, chapternumber six, verse 15, we see the
women.
They produce these hybridentities, for lack of a better
term called the Nephilim, thefallen ones.
Their dads are fallen angels,their mothers are human beings.
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Okay, all right.
Now anything to add there, matt, before we go on into the why
of God's destruction?
Matt (14:38):
No, no, I think we're right there.
Brandon (14:41):
So some people make a distinction between the Genesis
chapter 6, verses 1 through 4story and the rest of the
chapter.
But I don't.
Because it says in verse number5, and God saw, yeah, and God
saw the wickedness.
So if you look at verse number5, it says and God saw the
wickedness of man was great inthe earth and that every
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imagination of the thoughts ofhis heart was only evil
continually.
Okay, so man has gotten waxedworse and worse, more rotten and
more rotten.
Okay, Now what's going on onthe earth?
You have angels inbreeding withwomen and creating an offspring
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.
That is monstrous.
Okay, you have mass sexualdepravity and a whole other race
of beings created.
All right, Then you have humanbeings.
The Bible says where everyimagination, notice that every
imagination, every thought oftheir heart was only notice the
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word only there.
Every imagination and everythought of their heart was only
evil continually.
Matt (15:57):
Yeah, and if you think about it and if you look back at
the book of, you know we'lltalk about someday the book of
Enoch, right, okay, so Enochactually gives this story of the
angels he calls them thewatchers coming down.
Brandon (16:14):
The Bible refers to them as watchers in Daniel.
We'll talk about that.
Matt (16:17):
Yeah, we'll get to that, but you got to realize, okay, so
Enoch is the great, great,great great grandfather of Noah,
right, okay, so you've got likefive generations.
Mm-hmm, okay, yeah, worth oftime for these watcher angels
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and the Nephilim and theGibbereen to be multiplying and
spreading out on the earth,right, right, that DNA to be
sent all over the place.
Brandon (16:48):
Right.
So if you have a watcher angeland a woman create a Nephilim,
okay, and then that Nephilim youknow breeds with someone else
and creates a baby, and thatbaby creates Now, over time, as
you get farther away from thesource of the original son of
God, the angel.
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You would expect it to be awatered-down, more watered-down
version DNA structure as itbreaks down over generations,
but I guess, to your point, youhad hundreds of years for
explosion to just masspopulation.
Matt (17:24):
Think about going from thousands to 320 or 30 million
people in the United States.
Brandon (17:30):
Right Over that same number of generations.
Matt (17:34):
basically Right.
Brandon (17:36):
So you have a lot going on behind the scenes that the
Bible doesn't tell us everylittle bit of what's going on.
But you get these big takeaways, okay.
So these angels have bread.
Then God sees humanity, everyimagination, and it's only evil.
Continually.
Watch this verse 6.
And it repented the Lord thathe had made man on the earth and
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it grieved him at his heart.
Okay, and the Lord said I willdestroy man, whom I have created
, from the face of the earth,both man and beast, and the
creeping thing and the fowls ofthe air.
For it repenteth me that I havemade them.
So God says I'm going to killeverything.
Okay, I'm going to killeverything.
Wipe them out, kill everything.
Okay, I'm going to killeverything, wipe them out.
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Then we're introduced to acharacter by the name of Noah.
In verse number eight it saysbut Noah found grace in the eyes
of the Lord.
Notice this.
These are the generations ofNoah.
Noah was a just man and theBible says perfect in his
generations and Noah walked withGod.
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Look at verse number nine again.
These are the generations ofNoah.
Noah was a just man and perfectin his generations and Noah
walked with God.
If you look up that wordgenerations there in the Hebrew
it means the passing of time.
Okay, so it's his descendantsthrough time.
So it says he was perfect.
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That word means without blemish.
Okay, now, I know, just basedon being a human being.
That does not mean that you'resinfully perfect.
The Bible says wherefore is byone man's sin entered into the
world and death by sin, and sodeath passed upon all men, for
that all have sinned.
So I know from the NewTestament that's not saying that
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Noah was perfect, sinlessly.
But what does it say?
It says he was perfect orwithout blemish in his
generations.
Okay, what do we say?
When we have children?
We have passed on our genetics,our genes.
When you talk about you knowwhether it's breeding of animals
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to get certain breeds of dogsor horses or whatever you call
it genetics, genetics, gene isthe root word of this English
word here, generations.
The Bible is saying look,angels are inbreeding with women
.
It is getting worse and worse.
Mankind is getting to the pointwhere every imagination is evil
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and their thoughts are onlyevil continually.
And every imagination is eviland guess what?
It is getting worse and worseand worse, to the point that God
is going to destroy mankind.
But there's one man who is purein his genetics.
That's what Genesis chapter 6is saying, verse 1 through 9.
Matt (20:35):
I don't like the translation necessarily okay of
this because the way it readsokay, these are the generations
of noah, and then it goes, itstops.
Okay you would expect of thegenealogy of noah right or
something right.
And then it says noah was ajust man and perfect in his
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generations.
I don't think it's exactlytranslated the way it probably
should be.
Brandon (21:01):
Right, you don't think it's getting.
It's not as clear as it shouldbe.
Matt (21:04):
It's not as clear as it should be.
Brandon (21:05):
From the Hebrew to the English.
Matt (21:06):
They've translated it in a way that made sense to them
with their understanding at thetime.
Probably a Sethite view.
Brandon (21:12):
Yes, probably a.
Matt (21:13):
Sethite view.
Brandon (21:18):
Right so, but what does that mean?
It means that Noah was pure inhis genetics.
Yeah, that's what we'representing is that Noah was pure
in his genetics.
He was not corrupted by thecorruption of the genetic code
introduced by the angels whocame down and bred with the
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women.
He was pure.
Okay, now think about this.
So Noah gets on the boat witheight people.
All right, you have Noah andhis wife and he had three sons
and they had wives, so he hadeight people.
That's what the Bible says,that he saved eight people alive
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through, who got on the ark andwere saved through the flood.
They were pure in theirgenetics in his generations.
But this is often okay.
This is what is missing when wetell the flood story.
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Okay, last year, a little overa year ago, maybe a year and a
half ago, we went to the ArkExperience in Kentucky.
Okay, and I think Ken Ham isinvolved with that and things
like that, and you know it was amassive structure.
It was cool to see, cool to seethe layout of what happened in
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the flood and what it would havelooked like, how they would
have stored this and stored that, and they tried to stay as true
to the word laying that out asthey can.
But I'm going to say somethingthat's slightly critical.
One of the things that I wasdisappointed in is you walk
through and it shows youdifferent displays and it walks
you through the flood story andyou're seeing why God destroyed
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the earth.
And there's not one mention ofthe Nephilim and the angels of
God procreating with women andcreating a race of giants which,
if you take that out, you don'tunderstand the straw that broke
the camel's back in the lastfew hundred years before the
flood that made God get to thepoint where he's going to
destroy it.
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You cannot tell the creationstory and be fair and faithful
to the word without including anangelic view of Genesis,
chapter six, and so that was thebiggest disappointment for me
in the whole dynamic of the arkencounter.
It was awesome to see andwonderful, but you left out a
big reason why he did it in thefirst place.
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I mean you left out one of themost huge reasons.
I mean this is absolutely.
You cannot skip over that andbe faithful to the text.
So it's phenomenal and that'skind of like a soapbox that I
get on because so many peoplejust dismiss it as a, you know,
view it as a Sethite view orwhatever, because they don't
want to get into it and theydon't want to believe
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supernatural stuff.
Matt (24:13):
They don't want to believe supernatural stuff, but look at
it.
Okay, this is over 4, years ago.
Man has certainly, over thelast 4 000 years, gotten
wickeder and wickeder over timeyeah you know, there have been
many times in history when godshould have wiped the entire
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world out, if that was the caseright, I agree, know if he was
just doing it because man'sintentions were evil.
Brandon (24:41):
Yeah, well, I mean, you can make a strong argument that
we're more wicked now than wewere, probably Worse, yeah, yeah
, much worse.
There was other things to ourpoint.
There's other things that aregoing on.
Matt (24:54):
Yeah definitely.
And I'll say this, this, andI'll draw a point here Honestly,
I think some of the things thatare going on today, that have
come up the last few years, thatare big in the news, the whole
woke crap that's going on.
Some of that was going on backthen too.
Brandon (25:13):
That's where I was about to say as well, I think
anytime you see a culture get tothe point where they begin to
boy changing DNA structure,having some of the talk in the
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news, designer babies, let's goin and pick and choose.
Pick and choose your features,your features on your baby
through DNA manipulation.
Dare I say this we have certainvaccines that will change your
DNA structure and change thesetup, the mRNA vaccine.
I mean you are getting intoGenesis 6 stuff as it was in the
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days of Noah.
What were they doing in thedays of Noah?
They were manipulating thegenome.
They were.
And what do we see?
Genesis 3, there was a wardeclared the seed of the serpent
against the seed of the woman.
And you see Satan notphysically, satan, not Lucifer
breeding with the women.
Necessarily, because we don'tsee that and we don't want to
read that in, but fallen angelswho rebelled with Lucifer are,
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who are on Lucifer's side andLucifer's team, who are on
Lucifer's side and Lucifer'steam, inbreeding with women and
distorting what God intended tobe human beings, changing it
into something that it's not.
You do not mess with what Godmakes, okay.
You do not make it intosomething that he did not intend
it to be.
That's what gets God really mad, and that's you know you're
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near the end.
One reason we know we're nearthe end is because we're
starting to see this stuff again, Whereas 100 years ago we've
never seen it before.
Matt (27:05):
It's crazy.
I mean, they've been saying,okay, it's the end of times for
2,000 years.
Brandon (27:10):
But they hadn't been manipulating the genome and
transgendering their kids andmutilating their bodies.
Matt (27:16):
There's also other pieces like.
You know the whole age theory.
You know the end of the age.
Okay, we're in the last age,the last 2,000 year segment of a
6,000 year span.
Brandon (27:29):
Yeah, yeah.
Matt (27:30):
Well.
Brandon (27:31):
I mean there's, paul was in the end times because he
was in the last age, the last2,000 years, but we're in the
end of the end times.
Yes, we're in the end of theend of the age, and that's what
Jesus said to the church lo, I'mwith you always, even to the
end of the if it's correctlytranslated, not world end of the
age.
Okay, let's look.
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I want to show you this becausesome of you probably are still
sitting there saying no, showyou this, because some of you
probably are still sitting theresaying no, brandon, I don't buy
into this whole supernaturalmess.
It's not in the Bible, it's notthere.
In fact, I want to present toyou this.
It's everywhere in your Bible,everywhere, everywhere.
I want you, in a second Matt, goto Jude 6.
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I'm going to read 2 Peter, 2,verses 4.
I want you to listen to this.
This is Peter.
Okay, this is the thou art,peter, and upon this rock I'll
build my church.
Peter, all right, he is writingthis book and he says this.
He says in verse number 4, forif God spared not the angels
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that sinned hmm, the referenceis angels sinning and God didn't
spare them, but cast them downto hell and delivered them into
chains of darkness to bereserved under judgment and
spared not the old world, butsaved Noah, the eighth person, a
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preacher of righteousness,bringing in the flood upon the
world of the ungodly.
Now I want you to see that thatis a two verses that are rich.
Okay, what do we find out?
We find out that sometime inthe past, angels sinned against
God.
They are cast down right now tohell, which we talked about in
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previous episodes, is the centerof the earth, hades and
delivered them into chains ofdarkness.
So they're chained up in hellbecause they sinned against God.
Who is Angels?
All right, if you're stillfighting the angel battle, right
, and saying it's not angels.
It says angels sinned to bereserved unto judgment.
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Now you can say well, okay,brandon, angels sinned.
We know that angels rebelledwith Satan, and maybe that's
what it's talking about.
No, no, no.
Verse 5 says and it goes rightinto it and spared not the old
world, but saved Noah.
Punished the angels did notspare the old world, but saved
Noah.
So that connects it directly tothe time frame of Noah.
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So Genesis 6.
Connects it directly to theflood.
You don't get clearer than that.
Yeah, it's connected directlyto the flood connected directly
to Noah and connected directlyto angels sinning, right, yeah,
okay.
It doesn't get clearer thanthat.
Guys Connected directly to Noahand connected directly to
angels sinning, right, yeah,okay.
It doesn't get clearer thanthat.
Guys, okay, no, you want moreevidence?
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Matt's got more Jude chapter.
There's only one.
One chapter, verse six, Six.
Matt (30:30):
We looked at this one last week, but check this one out
and the angels was kept, nottheir first estate, but left
their own habitation he hathreserved in everlasting chains
under darkness, unto thejudgment of the great day.
Let me go on with Sodom andGomorrah.
Brandon (30:44):
Well, maybe not yet Break down that.
Okay, break down that bite bybite.
Matt (30:48):
So he says so the angels were kept, their first kept, not
their first estate, but lefttheir own habitation, their
orcitarian.
Brandon (30:57):
Right, because the word habitation we talked about last
week is the word orcitarian,which means housing.
Matt (31:01):
Their housing.
Okay, he has reserved ineverlasting chains, under
darkness, under the judgment ofthe great day.
Brandon (31:08):
Okay.
So there again, it says angelsthat sinned.
They left their first estate,changed their orcitarian or
their housing, and they'rechained, waiting judgment.
Is that what it says?
Yeah, so there are angels whorebelled and they're chained,
waiting judgment.
Now let me say this to you okay, what we're going to present to
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you is this there were angelswho rebelled directly against
God and got this whole sexualseed war going, and we actually
know from Jewish history andwe'll get into this later that
the Jewish people believed,through the writings of Enoch
and things like that, that therewere 120 angels that rebelled,
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okay, in the days of Jared andcame down.
Now, the point is this just fornow, they are reserved and
chained up.
So that's what I want you tounderstand.
The guys that got this wholeseed war going are chained up,
waiting for judgment.
They're chained up in thecenter of the earth, okay, held
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in that holding area, all rightthat we talked about Hades.
They're held there waiting forjudgment, okay, and but what did
they produce?
They produced Nephilim, whoproduced other Nephilim, who
produced other Nephilim, andthey had more babies, and more
babies, and more babies.
And this is what we seethroughout the Bible.
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Now their distant ancestorswere chained up and are still
chained up waiting darkness.
So the fathers that got thisall going are chained up.
That's my point, and I justwant to kind of set that on the
shelf there.
They're chained up, but theiroffspring has been running
rampant in the world ever since,and we'll get into that.
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You looked like you were goingto say something, yeah, and I
lost it.
You lost it.
Yeah, it's bad, that's calledage, that's called old age,
that's old.
Let me say this to you andwe're going to break this down
to you.
But I like in conversationslike this, because they're
fascinating and a lot of you, nodoubt, are probably sitting
there hanging on every word andunderlining and doing all these
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kind of things I want to kind ofgive you a little spoiler alert
, okay, because of where thisall begins to tie into Scripture
and Jewish historicalnarratives, such as the book of
Enoch, that some argue should bein the Bible.
Some say that it shouldn't be,but it doesn't contradict the
Bible at all, but here's what Iwant you to see, okay.
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So the fathers that producedthis, the angels that sinned,
they're chained up.
They produced the Nephilimpre-flood.
The pre-flood, nephilim largelyfought each other.
They killed each other andwhoever was left was destroyed
in the flood.
Okay, now here's the deal theNephilim, and I'm gonna let you
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in on a secret that the Book ofEnoch tells us, and it doesn't
contradict, in fact, it fills ina lot of the blanks in
Scripture.
Here's what the book of Enoch,enoch 1.
There's three books of EnochEnoch chapter 1, enoch 1, the
first book of Enoch says thisthat the Nephilim, when they
died because their dads, theirfathers, were eternal beings
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angels, okay, and their motherswere human beings, they were
judged and part of theirjudgment was that they roamed,
bodiless, this earth.
Okay, let me say this to you,and I want you to hear me,
because this gives me chillswhen I think about it.
All right, what we refer tocommonly now as demons, unclean
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spirits that possess people okay, get this Are the disembodied
spirits of the Nephilim who usedto roam this earth, yeah, okay.
Who used to roam this earth?
Yeah, okay.
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That's why you can have a90-year-old woman who's 4'10 in
Africa, possessed by a demon,and you can't have six or eight
guys hold her down becauseshe'll throw them off, because
she has superhuman strength.
Why?
Because she has the spirit andthe strength of a Nephilim, a
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giant on the inside of her.
All right, this is what Jesussaid.
Okay, so think about that.
So the demons that we encounterin our world today and they are
very, very real are disembodiedspirits of Nephilim who part of
their punishment is listen tothis.
They used to have a body.
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They got killed and they losttheir body.
And what do they do?
They crave and want a body.
That's why they want to possess, they want to own, they want to
feel, they want to degradate.
Why?
Because when they were Nephilim, that's what they did.
If you read Enoch, you find outthat these Nephilim okay, they
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were cannibalistic, they wereincestuous, they were sexually
perverse, they were in all thiskind of stuff.
And you look and you seedemonically possessed people and
the cutting and the hurting andthe pain and the sexual
debauchery and all the stuff isall right there.
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Okay, I mean, you got the guycutting himself at Jesus' meat
and he's just, he's living amongthe tombs and chained him up
and he couldn't hardly chain himup and they're sentient spirits
.
Matt (36:59):
They can talk, they can communicate with Jesus
biblically.
We see them talking andpleading with him.
They know, they know.
They know Jesus for one, butthey have their own thoughts
inside this other person thatthey're possessing.
Brandon (37:18):
Right, they're another person inside of a person.
Matt (37:21):
Yeah.
Brandon (37:22):
Exactly.
And let me say this to youPossession is very, very real.
But that's why they want a bodyto possess.
Yeah, because they had one andthey know what it feels like.
Listen to me, when they werethe men of renown and they were
the mighty men, before they diedand their spirits became
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disembodied, listen, they werecannibalistic, they were
sexually debaucherous, therewere all these things.
That is why, listen, guys,that's why, when God sends the
flood and Noah gets off the boat, one of the first things he
says to Noah is you will not eatthe blood.
He forbids the eating of bloodanymore, no more.
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Why?
Because before the flood,mankind had developed and became
a watered-down version of thatfirst-generation Nephilim, a
watered down version of thatfirst generation Nephilim.
And they were cannibalistic andthey were just sickening in
their, their appetites, it's,they were murderous, they were.
I mean, it was just, it's.
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It's crazy.
You can see, and we're going to,we're going to walk you through
the old Testament, the newTestament.
We're going to show you in theOld Testament, we're going to
introduce you to guys like Og,king of Bashan.
We're going to show you him howbig he was.
We'll take you to Goliath,we'll take you to his brothers.
We'll take you to Anak.
We'll take you to thesedifferent giants who show up
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after the flood.
That brings up a question howdid they get here?
How did they get here after theflood?
We'll talk about all that, butwe're laying the groundwork.
As we said, we don't want toget too fast, too far ahead of
ourself.
We want to address this.
So what we're looking at rightnow is New Testament evidence
that angels were the ones thatsinned, and it was in the days
of Noah.
And we're just looking at theevidence.
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I read 2 Peter, 2, 4, and 5.
You read Jude, 1 through 6.
Now I want to read you oneright here.
Think about this one.
We talked about this when wewere talking about hell.
Ephesians, chapter number 4,verse 8, it says this Remember,
when we talked about Jesus dyingon the cross and before he rose
again, he was in the grave forthree days and three nights.
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Okay, that's why he was notcrucified on Good Friday,
because you can't get three daysand three nights.
Okay, that's why he was notcrucified on Good Friday,
because you can't get three daysand three nights.
Okay, from Friday to Sunday hewas crucified, probably on
Wednesday, and he was in thegrave from three days and three
nights.
During those three days andthree nights that he was in the
grave, where did he go?
His body was in the tomb, butthe Bible says that his spirit,
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his soul, went to hell, went tothe lower portions of the earth,
that holding area, hades.
Let me refresh your memoryHebrews, chapter number 4, verse
8 through 10, it says Whereforehe saith.
When he ascended up on high, heled captivity, captive and gave
gifts unto men.
Now that he ascended, what isit?
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But that he also descendedfirst into the lower parts of
the earth.
He that descended is the samealso that ascended up far above
all heavens that he might fillall things.
Okay, so here we see.
Jesus descended into the lowerportions of the earth, right?
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Well, there's another passagethat talks about this very act,
and it's in 1 Peter, chapter 3.
Notice what Peter says.
Peter says in verse 18, forChrist also hath once suffered
for sins, the just for theunjust that he might bring us to
God, being put to death in theflesh, but quickened by the
spirit Now watch this by whichalso he went and preached unto
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the spirits in prison.
All right, so there again, itsays that when Jesus was dead,
he went and preached in.
He preached to the spirits inprison.
Now watch this.
This is crazy, right here,verse 20, 1 Peter 3, verse 20,
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talking about the spirits whichsometime were disobedient when,
once, the long suffering of Godwaited, in the days of Noah,
while the ark was a preparing,wherein few, that is eight,
souls were saved by water.
Okay, so what does he say?
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He's saying Jesus, just likeEphesians said, jesus descended
into the lower parts of theearth and when he went, we find
out.
Peter tells us what he did whenhe was down there.
What did he do?
He didn't just lead captivity,captive, like Ephesians says,
but he went to the other side.
Remember, we said there's Hades, okay, and there's Abraham's
bosom in paradise.
He emptied Abraham's bosom inparadise out and led them back
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to heaven.
All those captives captive,david and Abraham and Moses and
all them.
He led them out, but on theflip side, there is a jail down
there where they're chained indarkness, these angels from
Genesis, chapter six, thatrebelled against him.
What did he do?
It says in first Peter that hewent and preached to the spirits
in prison that sinned in thedays of Noah.
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Yeah, that's what your Biblesays Yep.
In my Bible right.
Matt (42:40):
Yeah, it's good stuff, it's crazy stuff and it all ties
together in a nice perfectstory, right, if you're willing
to dig into it and pull it out.
Brandon (42:52):
And here's what happens .
Many of us we read.
We read through the NewTestament and we read it and we
just take it in stride and we'relike huh, I wonder what that
means and we never bother tolook.
But when you look at Genesis 6,and you look at Genesis 3.15,
the seed war, and then you go tothese different scriptures, I
mean it's absolutely crazy howmuch talk of the Nephilim giants
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, these offspring of theseangels are all throughout the
Bible and it's all behind thebackdrop and I guess where we're
headed is we're going to lookat all these facets and going
down all these rabbit trails andthings like that.
Matt (43:30):
We got about 20 or 30 episodes.
We're just teeing up right now.
Brandon (43:34):
We might just transition the whole podcast
into a Nephilim podcast becausethere's so much to talk about.
But here's the deal thathappened before the flood in the
days of Noah, but it's going tohappen.
I can take you to verses inRevelation.
I can take you to verses inThessalonians.
I can take you to verses inDaniel where it says it's going
to happen again, and I believethat it's already happening
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again and maybe never stopped.
Okay, so we're going to look atthat, but in the time that we
have left tonight, I think weshould look at, just because I
always try to think like askeptic.
Okay, because I'm trying toconvince people of what the
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Bible says.
All right, so we've laid outGenesis 3.15, the seed war,
genesis 6, what happened withsons of God, daughters of men,
creating this race of Nephilimmixed hybrid mess that they were
.
They're judged in the flood.
Okay, we see the confirmationof the New Testament pointing
back to the days of Noah and thejudging with the flood,
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judgment on the Nephilim, right,so we see all this.
But then you know that's thebeginning of the Bible before
the flood, and then you see itin the New Testament.
But then what about all thein-between passages?
Well, I want us to look, becauseI just want to pick a couple
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randomly out and I want to showyou that there was a lot of
angelic giants showing upthroughout the history of the
Bible sexual deviancy withgiants throughout Scripture.
I want you to look, if you havea Bible, numbers 13, the one
that you brought up there just asecond ago, numbers 13, verse
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number 32.
It talks about we see thechildren of Israel about to go
into the promised land andthey're talking about what the
land possesses and who's there.
They want to reclaim the land,recapture it, and Joshua sends
the spies in.
And then, I think Matt, that'swhere it picks up, numbers
chapter 13.
Matt (45:41):
Up an evil report of the land which they had searched
under the children of israel,saying the land through which we
have gone in to search it is aland that eateth up.
The inhabitants thereof and allthe people that we saw in it
are like men of great stature.
And there we saw the giants,the sons of anak, which came
from the giants and we are.
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We were in our sight asgrasshoppers and so we were in
their site.
So think about that right there.
Brandon (46:13):
So there's so much, so Joshua sends the 12 spies right
Moses sends the 12 spies.
Joshua, moses, they, whoeverthey, they send the 12 spies in
and they come back and give thereport okay, and they are, you
know.
They say, look, we can't do it.
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Ten of them say that.
Now Joshua and Caleb said thatwe can, we can, okay, and so ten
were bad, two were good, as welearned in Sunday school right.
Bad to her, good, as we learnedin Sunday school, right.
But the reason that they saidthey couldn't take the land is
because of the sons of Anak werethere.
So here you're, introduced to areal-life giant who had
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offspring, who still lived inthe land of Canaan at the time,
or within 40 years of the timeof the conquest, and they say we
can't go in because the sons ofAnak and we're like
grasshoppers in their sight.
Think about that.
You got to be pretty tall to beconsidered like a grasshopper.
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Yeah, you know, a human beingconsidered like a grasshopper.
So that brings up like, howtall were these guys?
You know?
I mean, we know.
One of their characteristicswas they were giants.
They may have had giantgrasshoppers.
They may have had giant.
They had giant grapes.
They did the grapes of Eshkol.
Maybe it was big grasshopperstoo.
Right, everything was big.
Matt (47:42):
They say everything's bigger in Texasas, but in israel
everything is, yeah, evidentlybigger in israel yeah you know,
and there's there's a lot oftheories that are that push out
there, that you know from theenoch stuff, that technology and
ideas and things, thatknowledge that got lost right,
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that was passed on to thesegiants, or the nephilim remnants
, right well, yeah, there's a,there's a lot there and and I,
we talked about this a littlebit I don't know if it was last
episode or or what, but we weretalking about how, if you lived
a really long time, you'd getreally, really smart.
Brandon (48:22):
Yeah, okay, now the book ofnoch.
When it talks about thissubject and I do I encourage you
to get the book of Enoch and toread it.
Now, you know the reason I dothat.
You know.
There's the book of Enoch.
It's divided into threesections.
I'm talking about first Enoch.
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You can order it on Amazon.
You can get it in paperback,things like that.
You'll begin to see what we'retalking about.
It tells you a lot more detailabout this story.
It tells you a lot of detailabout Enoch himself being taken
and being the liaison betweenthe fallen angels and the father
and communicating back andforth to them.
It goes into some details abouthow tall they were L's.
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Whoever knows how big that is,but there's speculation that
these guys might have beendozens or some people even say
hundreds of feet.
I mean, who knows how tallthese guys were?
But here's the deal.
What Enoch says is the original120 angels that rebelled.
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They were working for God, yeah, and they were teaching mankind
righteousness.
Now, remember, this is beforethe written word.
The word is settled in heavenbut given to men.
They didn't have the writtenword, so God gave them angels
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who had a job to teach them.
This is what the book of Enochsays, and I'm prefacing and
giving that caveat there.
But it says that the angelswere instructed to teach mankind
and they lusted toward theirdaughters and took them during
that time and rebelled againstGod and even though they were
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working and supposed to be doingsomething different, they
rebelled against God and thatthey taught mankind forbidden
things.
Okay, now that brings up a lotof trails that we could go down
to Ancient mystery religions,ancient secret societies, all
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kinds of stuff that supposedlyhave been enlightened, and light
bearers and things like thatwho have secret knowledge that
has been handed down.
And where did that come from?
But the Book of Enoch talksabout that.
They instructed men in the useof herbs, medicinal purposes,
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makeup how to beautify womenthrough makeup, the astrology
yeah, I mean it just, and we'regoing to get into all this, so
we don't.
But the the point is is that allthroughout the old testament
and the new testament, this istalked about and this is a big
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deal and we begin to.
Here's what you're going to do.
When I first started studyingthis, I started seeing it in a
few places and the more Istudied it, I started seeing it
everywhere, started seeing iteverywhere, all throughout
Scripture.
And let me say this to you,even Matt, even our modern
Marvel-type movies that are sobig, what is it?
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Often it's a superhero who, whois not 100 fully human.
He is some kind of hybrid thatcan morph into this superhuman.
Matt (51:54):
You see it everywhere and once you see it, guys, you can't
unsee it and, and you broughtup last time, I think, the the
noah movie, yeah, and the namesof those creatures that will
freak you out, because if youread the book of Enoch they
literally, like Azazel, theynamed the fallen angels.
Brandon (52:15):
They named those fallen angels, the leaders of them.
Matt (52:17):
The leaders of them and the names line up.
I mean, honestly, the Azazelthat's in Jewish.
What does it say Was?
Brandon (52:28):
there 120 or is there 200?
I think I misspoke.
There were 200.
Matt (52:33):
I think it may be 120.
We'll check on that.
It's been a while, yeah.
But so during the Passoverstory, right, okay, they take
the two goats the one is thesin-offering goat, the one is
the one that they offer and putthe blood on the altar.
The one, the high priest putshis hands on and transfers the
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sin of all of Israel onto thatgoat, takes it out to the
wilderness to kill it.
That is an offering in theirhistories to Azazel, right, and
that's literally in the Bible.
Brandon (53:15):
And Azazel was the leader of the fallen angels.
Leader of the fallen angels whosinned and did this, and that's
where the term scapegoat comesfrom.
Yeah, scapegoat.
So there's a lot there.
I want to end tonight in thisepisode just letting you know.
Matt just showed you in Numbers13, you see that they're afraid
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of these super tall sons ofAnak, descendants of the
Nephilim there, and the wordNephilim is used.
Genesis, chapter 19,.
This is the story of Lot.
Remember when Lot was down inSodom and he left Abram and he
ended up, the Bible says,sitting at the gate of Sodom,
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which means that he was probablyin a position of authority.
He was not only living in Sodom, but he was leading, a leader
inside the city and in itsgovernment, more than likely.
And then God is going todestroy the city, but Lot is
just and is a believer in thetrue and the living God, and so
God sends angels to rescue Lotand his family and he sends
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angels.
Sends angels to rescue Lot andhis family and he sends angels.
And Genesis, chapter 19, versenumber one.
It says and there came twoangels to Sodom at evening and
Lot sat in the gate of Sodom andLot, seeing them, rose up to
meet them and he bowed himselfwith his face toward the ground,
and so he welcomes them.
He welcomes them into his home.
Well, here's the deal.
These are angels, okay, and alot of people say, well, what
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was going on so bad in Sodom?
Now, I just want you to seethis, because after you see this
, you can't unsee this.
All right, what is going on?
You have Sodom that is about tobe destroyed with fire and
brimstone because they havereached a point where God is
done with him.
So what was it?
Was it just sexual sin?
Was it just homosexuality?
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Was it just those things thatmade God so mad?
Then you see this.
You see angels come to Lot towarn him.
And here's what the men of thecity do, verse number five.
And they called unto Lot, themen of the city, and said unto
him Verse number five.
And they called unto Lot, themen of the city, and said unto
him where are the men which cameinto thee this night?
Bring them out unto us that wemay know them.
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And that word know, it's KingJames, the biblical know.
It's the biblical know, and itmeans sexually know.
And Lot went out at the doorunto them and shut the door
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after them and said I pray you,brethren, do not so wickedly.
Behold wants to give hisdaughters to these men instead
of the angels.
Right, I can't even imagine.
But here's the deal.
Here's what I.
After you look at this, youstart to see that you know what
they were wanting these angelsto have sex with.
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And what you find out is acouple of chapters before there
was a huge war that Lot gottaken in and they call this the
Genesis.
I think it's chapter 15, if I'mnot mistaken.
Giant war, because you cantrack in the biblical narrative
where the leaders of Sodom andGomorrah were largely Nephilim
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in nature.
In that area there was a mix ofhuman leaders and Nephilim
leaders that were leading.
And then you have angels show up.
And what did the men want to do?
They want to have sexualrelations with the angels.
It is the same thing that'sgoing on the debauchery sexually
.
It's the same thing that'sgoing on the debauchery sexually
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.
And angels are desired in this.
The same as Genesis, chapter 6.
Now, these were good angelsthat smote them with bondness
and did it because they workedfor God.
But you see, the desire ofthese wicked men to be to
copulate with angels.
I mean, it's just.
You start to see this stuffeverywhere and God destroys them
, wipes them out, destroys them.
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Yeah, completely Utterannihilation.
Matt (57:32):
And that ties back into that stuff from Jude where, even
as Sodom and Gomorrah, the cityis about them and, like man,
are giving themselves over tofornication and going after
strange flesh, so what was Sodomand Gomorrah?
Brandon (57:47):
Give us that reference one more time.
And going after strange flesh,so what?
Matt (57:49):
was Sodom and Gomorrah.
Give us that reference one moretime.
Okay, that is Jude, chapter 1,verse 7.
Brandon (57:53):
Jude 1, verse 7.
It says that they were goingafter in Sodom, strange flesh.
And if you go to I think it's 2Peter, if I'm not mistaken as
well where it goes straight fromthe angels that send into the
story of Sodom.
Because anywhere you find, manytimes I shouldn't say anywhere,
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but many times when you findwhy God sent the flood, you go
straight into the Sodom andGomorrah story as well.
I'm telling you there wassomething weird sexually
involving angels going on inSodom and Gomorrah and we don't
have all the answers, but it'sstrongly implied.
Matt (58:34):
So yeah, in 2 Peter, 2, 4, 5, and 6, literally, god spared
not the angels that sinned, butcast them into hell, delivering
them into the chains ofdarkness.
5 is spared not the old world,but saved Noah, the eighth
person, a preacher ofrighteousness, and then six is,
and turning the cities of Sodomand Gomorrah into ashes,
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condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto
those that after should liveungodly.
So it's literally.
Brandon (59:03):
It's always connected, yeah.
Matt (59:03):
It's always connected, so it's literally, it's always
connected.
Brandon (59:06):
Yeah, it's always connected.
So I hope that you're seeingthis.
I hope that you're seeing thatnot only do we know that these
are angels, but it is everywherein your Bible, no matter where
you go.
Okay, now, what I want to showyou as we get into future
episodes.
I want to show you we've beentalking a lot about the book of
Enoch I want to show you and notjust you, take my word for it.
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We'll read some experts fromthe book of Enoch and we'll show
you where these watcher angelscame down.
Matt (59:34):
We'll take you behind the scenes and show you what's been
going on, and it will lead up towhat's going on, even as we
speak, it's like, when angelscome down and people start
copulating with them, that Godjust wants to destroy whatever
area that is, yeah, he doesn't.
Brandon (59:53):
Yep, I mean it's just like wipe it out and he
completely destroyed Sodom.
Yeah, they didn't.
Even a lot of Bible haters andBible deniers said, oh, Sodom
didn't exist and all that kindof stuff, until they found it.
And they started finding out inthe over near the Jordan River
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yeah, okay, in that area it'svery dry and arid and things
like that.
They found Sodom and there ishuge sulfur balls that you can
go and you can find.
They pick them up and theylight them with a lighter and
they light on fire.
It is completely destroyed andthere's a whole city there.
You can see what looks likeruins of a city and you know
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what?
It never gets pointed out inarchaeological things.
History channel doesn't do any.
I mean, you know really seriousstuff on it and I think it's
because then it's going to bringup the, not only the
homosexuality and the sexualdegradation, but it's going to
expose what's happenedthroughout history with these
angels and what's going onbehind the scenes in another
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dimension.
I mean, it's just, it'sabsolutely fascinating what's
going on all around us, what'sgoing on in history and what's
going on now.
And so we're going to leave itthere for this episode and we're
going to pick up with just aplethora of more information to
bring to you and connecting itall back to the Bible, because
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The most exciting story evertold, that's right, more
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Yeah, the reason for it is Genesis 6.
That's right.
Yeah, that's right.
Brandon (01:02:32):
God bless you guys.
Have a great night and we'llsee you again real soon.
What does the Bible say ?
The Bible says the Bible sayspodcast.
All right, welcome back.
Bible says Podcast.
How are you, matt?
I'm well, how are you Good,good, good, good.
We are back in the saddle onceagain this evening, picking up
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where we left off in episode 13.
This is episode 14 of the BibleSays Podcast.
We welcome everybody in tonight.
My name is Brandon Matheson,this is Matt Hunter, as always,
and it is our joy to bring toyou another episode tonight.
And we have been talking aboutthe days of Noah.
The days of Noah, we are lineupon line, precept upon precept,
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laying a foundation to show youwhat is going on in our world
today.
As we approach and near and allof us here for sure, and many
out there in Christianity, inthe body of Christ, sense that
this is the end times, theculmination of days, that the
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Lord's imminent return is near,and so we're wondering what has
gone on in the past in thespiritual realm, what is going
on now in the spiritual realm?
And because the Bible says, aswe said last time, as we looked
that in Matthew, chapter 24, letme just read this to you from
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the Olivet Discourse, matthewchapter 24, let me just read
this to you from the OlivetDiscourse, matthew, chapter 24,
verse number 37 and 38.
It says but as the days of Noahwere, so shall also the coming
of the Son of man be, for as inthe days that were before the
flood, they were eating anddrinking, marrying and giving in
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marriage, until the day thatNoah entered into the ark.
Okay, so the Bible is clear.
Jesus is clear that during theend times, as the days approach
before his return, it will bejust like it was in the days of
Noah.
So we pose the question whatwas that?
What is that like the days ofNoah?
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So we posed the question whatwas that?
What is that like the days ofNoah?
And to get those answers, wewent to Genesis, chapter 6, and
that's where we spent a lot ofour time on the last episode,
because Genesis chapter 6 is oneof the most controversial and
often misunderstood passages inall the Bible, and let's just
read it for the sake of readingit one more time.
It says and it came to passwhen men began to multiply on
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the face of the earth anddaughters were born unto them
that the sons of God saw thedaughters of men, that they were
fair, and they took them wivesof all which they chose.
So you have populationincreasing, you have these
characters, the sons of God, andyou have these other characters
, the daughters of men.
And as the population grows,the sons of God see that the
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daughters of men are fair or arebeautiful, and the Bible says
that they take them, and itspeaks to force.
They took them wives of allwhich they chose, all right.
And then verse number threesays and the Lord said, my
spirit shall not always strivewith man, for that.
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He is also flesh.
Yet his day shall be 120 years.
There were giants in the earth.
Verse four in those days therewere giants in the earth.
That word giant, there's theword nephal, or it comes from
the Greek, the root word nephal,which is fallen ones, and it's
the word nephalum.
So if you wanted to be reallyaccurate, there were nephalum in
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the earth in those days.
In some modern translationsthat's exactly how they
translate that verse.
And it says in those days, andalso after that and we're going
to get to the after that downthe line when the sons of God
came in unto the daughters ofmen and they bare children to
them, the same became mighty menwhich were of old men of renown
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.
So what we talked about lastweek is that these sons of God
bred with these daughters of menand they created an offspring
that was for lack of a betterterm monstrous.
They were tall, they weregiants, they were mighty.
Gibberim, uh, uh, gibbor is theword there in the hebrew.
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They were men of renown, theywere legendary men, the ones
that the myths and the storieswere told about.
That's who their sons weretheir.
Their fathers were the sons ofgod, their daughters were their.
Their mothers were the?
Uh, daughters of men.
So we we naturally posed thequestion what's a son of god?
Yeah, okay, and last time, justto catch you back up in case
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you missed it the son of god.
We came away with the takeaway.
Every time you look up thatphrase in the Old Testament, it
means angel created, being madeby God, and every time all seven
times in the Old Testament itis referencing angel Most of
those times.
Three of them are in the bookof Job, a couple in the book of
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Psalms and a couple in the bookof Genesis, where we just read.
So the sons of God are angelsof God.
They are not the children ofSeth, they are not the offspring
of the godly line of Seth.
That is, to me, a very weakargument that is just afraid of
getting into the supernatural.
So that's kind of where we weended with.
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The takeaway last week on thelast episode is that these sons
of God were in fact angels ofGod, and it brought up some
questions that we were asking.
By way of summary, well, Ithought angels couldn't marry,
couldn't have sex, couldn't dothose things.
How can they do that?
And we showed you those verses.
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We didn't hide from them.
We showed you that in theresurrection they neither marry
nor are given in marriage, butare like the angels in heaven
Keyword in heaven.
The angels that rebelled againstGod and took these women did
not do it in heaven, they did iton earth.
They did not do it in thepresence of God, they did it on
earth in direct rebellion.
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I know God's everywhere, butthere's a lot of rebellion that
goes on on the earth, okay, andthey rebelled against God.
Well, how did they do it?
We'll show you this again.
They did it by exchanging theirhousing, or the Greek word is
orchitarion.
It's used twice in the NewTestament.
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The other time it's used for usdesiring our house from heaven
as Christians from God, and sowe kind of that's the gist of
what we learned last week.
Sons of God, angels, they lefttheir first estate, they
exchanged their habitation ortheir orcitarian.
Matt (07:06):
There are dozens of examples of that.
You know all throughout theBible of angels taking human
form, taking on human form, yep,yep.
Brandon (07:13):
And Matt pointed out a great point last week that be
careful when you're talking topeople.
You might be entertaining anangel, unaware why?
Well, because it looks like ahuman.
Okay, it is a human, it's ahuman body, but it's an angelic
being.
We know also that that works onthe flip side, on the evil side
as well.
You could be encountering afallen angel or a demonic power,
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unclean spirit, things likethat, even though you're talking
to a human being.
So anyway, but I want to goback to Genesis, chapter 6
tonight, and I want us to lookat that because you know, we
established who these guys are.
They are angels, undoubtedly.
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But why is God doing what he'sdoing?
Okay, god doing what he's doing, okay.
Why does God get so upset afterthis period of these angels
rebelling?
And something happens?
Because man has rebelledalready.
I mean, adam and Eve sinned.
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The curse came upon them, buthe did not flood the earth, he
did not destroy and kill them,he let them live.
But when we get to Genesis,chapter six, god has reached a
straw that broke the camel'sback point and he destroys the
earth.
When we get back, when we getdown here to chapter number
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seven and eight.
He destroys the earth by aflood and saves eight people
Noah and his wife and his threeboys and their wives, and that's
it.
And so where is all this comingfrom?
And I want to show you where Ithink it's coming from, and I
want you to see this, becausewhat do we have here?
And we said last week that thetakeaway is that angels of God
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took daughters of men, humanwomen, and they had sex with
them, and they produced a hybridhuman being that is half human
and half supernatural, angelicbeing.
And so you have these hybrids.
We talked about the mythos allthroughout many cultures, the
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Greek God, pantheon and allthose kinds of things who they
worship, gods who are half humanand half supernatural, and so
this is a phenomenal concept,but it actually is grounded in
biblical truth and what theBible says.
Now I want to show you Genesis,chapter number three, and I
want to show you an interestingverse in light of what we
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learned last week.
Remember when Adam and Evesinned against God because the
serpent tempted Eve.
Eve ate of the fruit, eve gaveit to Adam.
And then God shows up, walkingin the cool of the day.
He wants to know what's up.
He's trying to find Adam andEve and he's like where are you
guys?
And they're like, well, we hidbecause we're naked.
And he's like I told you youwere naked, did you eat the
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fruit?
They have this wholeconversation with God and God
says, first of all, he says toAdam, adam, what'd you do?
And he talks to Adam anddirects him and he announces his
punishment on him.
Then he talks to Eve, okay, andhe says to her, you know,
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pronounces the punishment uponher In fact I think I got that
backwards, it was Adam and thenhe talks to the servant, and
then Eve last.
But he comes one by one, by one, to each of them and he comes
to the serpent who is.
Revelation tells us that oldserpent, the devil.
So Satan here, our adversary,is what it means.
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He is here in this picture, inthis story.
And the Lord God verse 14 ofGenesis 3, said unto the serpent
Because thou hast done this,thou art cursed above all cattle
and above every beast of thefield.
Cursed above all cattle andabove every beast of the field.
Upon thy belly shalt thou goand dust shalt thou eat all the
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days of thy life.
Now notice this verse, number 15.
This is the punishmentpronounced on the serpent.
He says this and I will putenmity between thee and the
woman, and between thy seed andher seed, and it shall bruise
thy head and thou shalt bruisehis heel.
This is a very strange verse,but a very prophetic verse when
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you understand it.
There was enmity or hatred putbetween the serpent and the
woman and the serpent's seed ifyou notice the wording there and
the woman's seed.
His seed would bruise the head,her seed would bruise the head,
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his seed would bruise the heel.
Okay, so what is this talkingabout?
Well, when you get to Genesis,chapter 6, you have angelic
beings okay, in fact, justangelic beings just like Satan,
taking on another bodily formand breeding for lack of a
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better term with women andmessing up the human genome that
God made and distorting it andchanging it into something that
it was never meant to be.
You have a war between the seedof the woman and the seed of
the serpent.
Now, it's very interesting herethat God said the serpent is
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going to have seed, you're goingto have offspring.
Okay, in fact, I'll say thiswhen you get to the New
Testament, okay, and you go to Ithink it's 2 Thessalonians in
chapter 2, and you're talkingabout the Antichrist.
The Bible calls him the son ofperdition or the son of
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destruction.
Okay, but it's interesting, heis the son of all that destroys,
okay, so some have evensurmised that maybe even the
antichrist who will assume thatrole, maybe even a direct
offspring of Satan, could thatbe possible?
Could Satan have children?
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Yes, okay, yes, he can have.
Okay, and a big part of whatthey do in Satanism today is
revolving around worship ofSatan, but is also revolving
around sexual deviancy, okay.
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So the seed war of Genesis,chapter number 3, verse 15.
I mean, you have a war declaredand God says, hey, you're going
to hate each other and there'sgoing to be a war between your
seed, the woman's seed, and theserpent's seed.
So I want you to see that Satanhas seed and that's going to be
important later on, because Ibelieve, even to this day and
what's coming in the future, thedays of Noah will be like the
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days of the end times.
The end times will be like thedays of Noah and vice versa.
So I want you to understandthat.
Now, back in Genesis, chapternumber six, verse 15, we see the
women.
They produce these hybridentities, for lack of a better
term called the Nephilim, thefallen ones.
Their dads are fallen angels,their mothers are human beings.
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Okay, all right.
Now anything to add there, matt, before we go on into the why
of God's destruction?
Matt (14:38):
No, no, I think we're right there.
Brandon (14:41):
So some people make a distinction between the Genesis
chapter 6, verses 1 through 4story and the rest of the
chapter.
But I don't.
Because it says in verse number5, and God saw, yeah, and God
saw the wickedness.
So if you look at verse number5, it says and God saw the
wickedness of man was great inthe earth and that every
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imagination of the thoughts ofhis heart was only evil
continually.
Okay, so man has gotten waxedworse and worse, more rotten and
more rotten.
Okay, Now what's going on onthe earth?
You have angels inbreeding withwomen and creating an offspring
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.
That is monstrous.
Okay, you have mass sexualdepravity and a whole other race
of beings created.
All right, Then you have humanbeings.
The Bible says where everyimagination, notice that every
imagination, every thought oftheir heart was only notice the
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word only there.
Every imagination and everythought of their heart was only
evil continually.
Matt (15:57):
Yeah, and if you think about it and if you look back at
the book of, you know we'lltalk about someday the book of
Enoch, right, okay, so Enochactually gives this story of the
angels he calls them thewatchers coming down.
Brandon (16:14):
The Bible refers to them as watchers in Daniel.
We'll talk about that.
Matt (16:17):
Yeah, we'll get to that, but you got to realize, okay, so
Enoch is the great, great,great great grandfather of Noah,
right, okay, so you've got likefive generations.
Mm-hmm, okay, yeah, worth oftime for these watcher angels
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and the Nephilim and theGibbereen to be multiplying and
spreading out on the earth,right, right, that DNA to be
sent all over the place.
Brandon (16:48):
Right.
So if you have a watcher angeland a woman create a Nephilim,
okay, and then that Nephilim youknow breeds with someone else
and creates a baby, and thatbaby creates Now, over time, as
you get farther away from thesource of the original son of
God, the angel.
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You would expect it to be awatered-down, more watered-down
version DNA structure as itbreaks down over generations,
but I guess, to your point, youhad hundreds of years for
explosion to just masspopulation.
Matt (17:24):
Think about going from thousands to 320 or 30 million
people in the United States.
Brandon (17:30):
Right Over that same number of generations.
Matt (17:34):
basically Right.
Brandon (17:36):
So you have a lot going on behind the scenes that the
Bible doesn't tell us everylittle bit of what's going on.
But you get these big takeaways, okay.
So these angels have bread.
Then God sees humanity, everyimagination, and it's only evil.
Continually.
Watch this verse 6.
And it repented the Lord thathe had made man on the earth and
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it grieved him at his heart.
Okay, and the Lord said I willdestroy man, whom I have created
, from the face of the earth,both man and beast, and the
creeping thing and the fowls ofthe air.
For it repenteth me that I havemade them.
So God says I'm going to killeverything.
Okay, I'm going to killeverything.
Wipe them out, kill everything.
Okay, I'm going to killeverything, wipe them out.
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Then we're introduced to acharacter by the name of Noah.
In verse number eight it saysbut Noah found grace in the eyes
of the Lord.
Notice this.
These are the generations ofNoah.
Noah was a just man and theBible says perfect in his
generations and Noah walked withGod.
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Look at verse number nine again.
These are the generations ofNoah.
Noah was a just man and perfectin his generations and Noah
walked with God.
If you look up that wordgenerations there in the Hebrew
it means the passing of time.
Okay, so it's his descendantsthrough time.
So it says he was perfect.
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That word means without blemish.
Okay, now, I know, just basedon being a human being.
That does not mean that you'resinfully perfect.
The Bible says wherefore is byone man's sin entered into the
world and death by sin, and sodeath passed upon all men, for
that all have sinned.
So I know from the NewTestament that's not saying that
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Noah was perfect, sinlessly.
But what does it say?
It says he was perfect orwithout blemish in his
generations.
Okay, what do we say?
When we have children?
We have passed on our genetics,our genes.
When you talk about you knowwhether it's breeding of animals
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to get certain breeds of dogsor horses or whatever you call
it genetics, genetics, gene isthe root word of this English
word here, generations.
The Bible is saying look,angels are inbreeding with women
.
It is getting worse and worse.
Mankind is getting to the pointwhere every imagination is evil
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and their thoughts are onlyevil continually.
And every imagination is eviland guess what?
It is getting worse and worseand worse, to the point that God
is going to destroy mankind.
But there's one man who is purein his genetics.
That's what Genesis chapter 6is saying, verse 1 through 9.
Matt (20:35):
I don't like the translation necessarily okay of
this because the way it readsokay, these are the generations
of noah, and then it goes, itstops.
Okay you would expect of thegenealogy of noah right or
something right.
And then it says noah was ajust man and perfect in his
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generations.
I don't think it's exactlytranslated the way it probably
should be.
Brandon (21:01):
Right, you don't think it's getting.
It's not as clear as it shouldbe.
Matt (21:04):
It's not as clear as it should be.
Brandon (21:05):
From the Hebrew to the English.
Matt (21:06):
They've translated it in a way that made sense to them
with their understanding at thetime.
Probably a Sethite view.
Brandon (21:12):
Yes, probably a.
Matt (21:13):
Sethite view.
Brandon (21:18):
Right so, but what does that mean?
It means that Noah was pure inhis genetics.
Yeah, that's what we'representing is that Noah was pure
in his genetics.
He was not corrupted by thecorruption of the genetic code
introduced by the angels whocame down and bred with the
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women.
He was pure.
Okay, now think about this.
So Noah gets on the boat witheight people.
All right, you have Noah andhis wife and he had three sons
and they had wives, so he hadeight people.
That's what the Bible says,that he saved eight people alive
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through, who got on the ark andwere saved through the flood.
They were pure in theirgenetics in his generations.
But this is often okay.
This is what is missing when wetell the flood story.
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Okay, last year, a little overa year ago, maybe a year and a
half ago, we went to the ArkExperience in Kentucky.
Okay, and I think Ken Ham isinvolved with that and things
like that, and you know it was amassive structure.
It was cool to see, cool to seethe layout of what happened in
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the flood and what it would havelooked like, how they would
have stored this and stored that, and they tried to stay as true
to the word laying that out asthey can.
But I'm going to say somethingthat's slightly critical.
One of the things that I wasdisappointed in is you walk
through and it shows youdifferent displays and it walks
you through the flood story andyou're seeing why God destroyed
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the earth.
And there's not one mention ofthe Nephilim and the angels of
God procreating with women andcreating a race of giants which,
if you take that out, you don'tunderstand the straw that broke
the camel's back in the lastfew hundred years before the
flood that made God get to thepoint where he's going to
destroy it.
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You cannot tell the creationstory and be fair and faithful
to the word without including anangelic view of Genesis,
chapter six, and so that was thebiggest disappointment for me
in the whole dynamic of the arkencounter.
It was awesome to see andwonderful, but you left out a
big reason why he did it in thefirst place.
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I mean you left out one of themost huge reasons.
I mean this is absolutely.
You cannot skip over that andbe faithful to the text.
So it's phenomenal and that'skind of like a soapbox that I
get on because so many peoplejust dismiss it as a, you know,
view it as a Sethite view orwhatever, because they don't
want to get into it and theydon't want to believe
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supernatural stuff.
Matt (24:13):
They don't want to believe supernatural stuff, but look at
it.
Okay, this is over 4, years ago.
Man has certainly, over thelast 4 000 years, gotten
wickeder and wickeder over timeyeah you know, there have been
many times in history when godshould have wiped the entire
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world out, if that was the caseright, I agree, know if he was
just doing it because man'sintentions were evil.
Brandon (24:41):
Yeah, well, I mean, you can make a strong argument that
we're more wicked now than wewere, probably Worse, yeah, yeah
, much worse.
There was other things to ourpoint.
There's other things that aregoing on.
Matt (24:54):
Yeah definitely.
And I'll say this, this, andI'll draw a point here Honestly,
I think some of the things thatare going on today, that have
come up the last few years, thatare big in the news, the whole
woke crap that's going on.
Some of that was going on backthen too.
Brandon (25:13):
That's where I was about to say as well, I think
anytime you see a culture get tothe point where they begin to
boy changing DNA structure,having some of the talk in the
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news, designer babies, let's goin and pick and choose.
Pick and choose your features,your features on your baby
through DNA manipulation.
Dare I say this we have certainvaccines that will change your
DNA structure and change thesetup, the mRNA vaccine.
I mean you are getting intoGenesis 6 stuff as it was in the
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days of Noah.
What were they doing in thedays of Noah?
They were manipulating thegenome.
They were.
And what do we see?
Genesis 3, there was a wardeclared the seed of the serpent
against the seed of the woman.
And you see Satan notphysically, satan, not Lucifer
breeding with the women.
Necessarily, because we don'tsee that and we don't want to
read that in, but fallen angelswho rebelled with Lucifer are,
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who are on Lucifer's side andLucifer's team, who are on
Lucifer's side and Lucifer'steam, inbreeding with women and
distorting what God intended tobe human beings, changing it
into something that it's not.
You do not mess with what Godmakes, okay.
You do not make it intosomething that he did not intend
it to be.
That's what gets God really mad, and that's you know you're
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near the end.
One reason we know we're nearthe end is because we're
starting to see this stuff again, Whereas 100 years ago we've
never seen it before.
Matt (27:05):
It's crazy.
I mean, they've been saying,okay, it's the end of times for
2,000 years.
Brandon (27:10):
But they hadn't been manipulating the genome and
transgendering their kids andmutilating their bodies.
Matt (27:16):
There's also other pieces like.
You know the whole age theory.
You know the end of the age.
Okay, we're in the last age,the last 2,000 year segment of a
6,000 year span.
Brandon (27:29):
Yeah, yeah.
Matt (27:30):
Well.
Brandon (27:31):
I mean there's, paul was in the end times because he
was in the last age, the last2,000 years, but we're in the
end of the end times.
Yes, we're in the end of theend of the age, and that's what
Jesus said to the church lo, I'mwith you always, even to the
end of the if it's correctlytranslated, not world end of the
age.
Okay, let's look.
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I want to show you this becausesome of you probably are still
sitting there saying no, showyou this, because some of you
probably are still sitting theresaying no, brandon, I don't buy
into this whole supernaturalmess.
It's not in the Bible, it's notthere.
In fact, I want to present toyou this.
It's everywhere in your Bible,everywhere, everywhere.
I want you, in a second Matt, goto Jude 6.
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I'm going to read 2 Peter, 2,verses 4.
I want you to listen to this.
This is Peter.
Okay, this is the thou art,peter, and upon this rock I'll
build my church.
Peter, all right, he is writingthis book and he says this.
He says in verse number 4, forif God spared not the angels
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that sinned hmm, the referenceis angels sinning and God didn't
spare them, but cast them downto hell and delivered them into
chains of darkness to bereserved under judgment and
spared not the old world, butsaved Noah, the eighth person, a
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preacher of righteousness,bringing in the flood upon the
world of the ungodly.
Now I want you to see that thatis a two verses that are rich.
Okay, what do we find out?
We find out that sometime inthe past, angels sinned against
God.
They are cast down right now tohell, which we talked about in
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previous episodes, is the centerof the earth, hades and
delivered them into chains ofdarkness.
So they're chained up in hellbecause they sinned against God.
Who is Angels?
All right, if you're stillfighting the angel battle, right
, and saying it's not angels.
It says angels sinned to bereserved unto judgment.
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Now you can say well, okay,brandon, angels sinned.
We know that angels rebelledwith Satan, and maybe that's
what it's talking about.
No, no, no.
Verse 5 says and it goes rightinto it and spared not the old
world, but saved Noah.
Punished the angels did notspare the old world, but saved
Noah.
So that connects it directly tothe time frame of Noah.
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So Genesis 6.
Connects it directly to theflood.
You don't get clearer than that.
Yeah, it's connected directlyto the flood connected directly
to Noah and connected directlyto angels sinning, right, yeah,
okay.
It doesn't get clearer thanthat.
Guys Connected directly to Noahand connected directly to
angels sinning, right, yeah,okay.
It doesn't get clearer thanthat.
Guys, okay, no, you want moreevidence?
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Matt's got more Jude chapter.
There's only one.
One chapter, verse six, Six.
Matt (30:30):
We looked at this one last week, but check this one out
and the angels was kept, nottheir first estate, but left
their own habitation he hathreserved in everlasting chains
under darkness, unto thejudgment of the great day.
Let me go on with Sodom andGomorrah.
Brandon (30:44):
Well, maybe not yet Break down that.
Okay, break down that bite bybite.
Matt (30:48):
So he says so the angels were kept, their first kept, not
their first estate, but lefttheir own habitation, their
orcitarian.
Brandon (30:57):
Right, because the word habitation we talked about last
week is the word orcitarian,which means housing.
Matt (31:01):
Their housing.
Okay, he has reserved ineverlasting chains, under
darkness, under the judgment ofthe great day.
Brandon (31:08):
Okay.
So there again, it says angelsthat sinned.
They left their first estate,changed their orcitarian or
their housing, and they'rechained, waiting judgment.
Is that what it says?
Yeah, so there are angels whorebelled and they're chained,
waiting judgment.
Now let me say this to you okay, what we're going to present to
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you is this there were angelswho rebelled directly against
God and got this whole sexualseed war going, and we actually
know from Jewish history andwe'll get into this later that
the Jewish people believed,through the writings of Enoch
and things like that, that therewere 120 angels that rebelled,
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okay, in the days of Jared andcame down.
Now, the point is this just fornow, they are reserved and
chained up.
So that's what I want you tounderstand.
The guys that got this wholeseed war going are chained up,
waiting for judgment.
They're chained up in thecenter of the earth, okay, held
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in that holding area, all rightthat we talked about Hades.
They're held there waiting forjudgment, okay, and but what did
they produce?
They produced Nephilim, whoproduced other Nephilim, who
produced other Nephilim, andthey had more babies, and more
babies, and more babies.
And this is what we seethroughout the Bible.
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Now their distant ancestorswere chained up and are still
chained up waiting darkness.
So the fathers that got thisall going are chained up.
That's my point, and I justwant to kind of set that on the
shelf there.
They're chained up, but theiroffspring has been running
rampant in the world ever since,and we'll get into that.
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You looked like you were goingto say something, yeah, and I
lost it.
You lost it.
Yeah, it's bad, that's calledage, that's called old age,
that's old.
Let me say this to you andwe're going to break this down
to you.
But I like in conversationslike this, because they're
fascinating and a lot of you, nodoubt, are probably sitting
there hanging on every word andunderlining and doing all these
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kind of things I want to kind ofgive you a little spoiler alert
, okay, because of where thisall begins to tie into Scripture
and Jewish historicalnarratives, such as the book of
Enoch, that some argue should bein the Bible.
Some say that it shouldn't be,but it doesn't contradict the
Bible at all, but here's what Iwant you to see, okay.
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So the fathers that producedthis, the angels that sinned,
they're chained up.
They produced the Nephilimpre-flood.
The pre-flood, nephilim largelyfought each other.
They killed each other andwhoever was left was destroyed
in the flood.
Okay, now here's the deal theNephilim, and I'm gonna let you
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in on a secret that the Book ofEnoch tells us, and it doesn't
contradict, in fact, it fills ina lot of the blanks in
Scripture.
Here's what the book of Enoch,enoch 1.
There's three books of EnochEnoch chapter 1, enoch 1, the
first book of Enoch says thisthat the Nephilim, when they
died because their dads, theirfathers, were eternal beings
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angels, okay, and their motherswere human beings, they were
judged and part of theirjudgment was that they roamed,
bodiless, this earth.
Okay, let me say this to you,and I want you to hear me,
because this gives me chillswhen I think about it.
All right, what we refer tocommonly now as demons, unclean
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spirits that possess people okay, get this Are the disembodied
spirits of the Nephilim who usedto roam this earth, yeah, okay.
Who used to roam this earth?
Yeah, okay.
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That's why you can have a90-year-old woman who's 4'10 in
Africa, possessed by a demon,and you can't have six or eight
guys hold her down becauseshe'll throw them off, because
she has superhuman strength.
Why?
Because she has the spirit andthe strength of a Nephilim, a
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giant on the inside of her.
All right, this is what Jesussaid.
Okay, so think about that.
So the demons that we encounterin our world today and they are
very, very real are disembodiedspirits of Nephilim who part of
their punishment is listen tothis.
They used to have a body.
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They got killed and they losttheir body.
And what do they do?
They crave and want a body.
That's why they want to possess, they want to own, they want to
feel, they want to degradate.
Why?
Because when they were Nephilim, that's what they did.
If you read Enoch, you find outthat these Nephilim okay, they
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were cannibalistic, they wereincestuous, they were sexually
perverse, they were in all thiskind of stuff.
And you look and you seedemonically possessed people and
the cutting and the hurting andthe pain and the sexual
debauchery and all the stuff isall right there.
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Okay, I mean, you got the guycutting himself at Jesus' meat
and he's just, he's living amongthe tombs and chained him up
and he couldn't hardly chain himup and they're sentient spirits
.
Matt (36:59):
They can talk, they can communicate with Jesus
biblically.
We see them talking andpleading with him.
They know, they know.
They know Jesus for one, butthey have their own thoughts
inside this other person thatthey're possessing.
Brandon (37:18):
Right, they're another person inside of a person.
Matt (37:21):
Yeah.
Brandon (37:22):
Exactly.
And let me say this to youPossession is very, very real.
But that's why they want a bodyto possess.
Yeah, because they had one andthey know what it feels like.
Listen to me, when they werethe men of renown and they were
the mighty men, before they diedand their spirits became
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disembodied, listen, they werecannibalistic, they were
sexually debaucherous, therewere all these things.
That is why, listen, guys,that's why, when God sends the
flood and Noah gets off the boat, one of the first things he
says to Noah is you will not eatthe blood.
He forbids the eating of bloodanymore, no more.
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Why?
Because before the flood,mankind had developed and became
a watered-down version of thatfirst-generation Nephilim, a
watered down version of thatfirst generation Nephilim.
And they were cannibalistic andthey were just sickening in
their, their appetites, it's,they were murderous, they were.
I mean, it was just, it's.
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It's crazy.
You can see, and we're going to,we're going to walk you through
the old Testament, the newTestament.
We're going to show you in theOld Testament, we're going to
introduce you to guys like Og,king of Bashan.
We're going to show you him howbig he was.
We'll take you to Goliath,we'll take you to his brothers.
We'll take you to Anak.
We'll take you to thesedifferent giants who show up
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after the flood.
That brings up a question howdid they get here?
How did they get here after theflood?
We'll talk about all that, butwe're laying the groundwork.
As we said, we don't want toget too fast, too far ahead of
ourself.
We want to address this.
So what we're looking at rightnow is New Testament evidence
that angels were the ones thatsinned, and it was in the days
of Noah.
And we're just looking at theevidence.
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I read 2 Peter, 2, 4, and 5.
You read Jude, 1 through 6.
Now I want to read you oneright here.
Think about this one.
We talked about this when wewere talking about hell.
Ephesians, chapter number 4,verse 8, it says this Remember,
when we talked about Jesus dyingon the cross and before he rose
again, he was in the grave forthree days and three nights.
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Okay, that's why he was notcrucified on Good Friday,
because you can't get three daysand three nights.
Okay, that's why he was notcrucified on Good Friday,
because you can't get three daysand three nights.
Okay, from Friday to Sunday hewas crucified, probably on
Wednesday, and he was in thegrave from three days and three
nights.
During those three days andthree nights that he was in the
grave, where did he go?
His body was in the tomb, butthe Bible says that his spirit,
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his soul, went to hell, went tothe lower portions of the earth,
that holding area, hades.
Let me refresh your memoryHebrews, chapter number 4, verse
8 through 10, it says Whereforehe saith.
When he ascended up on high, heled captivity, captive and gave
gifts unto men.
Now that he ascended, what isit?
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But that he also descendedfirst into the lower parts of
the earth.
He that descended is the samealso that ascended up far above
all heavens that he might fillall things.
Okay, so here we see.
Jesus descended into the lowerportions of the earth, right?
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Well, there's another passagethat talks about this very act,
and it's in 1 Peter, chapter 3.
Notice what Peter says.
Peter says in verse 18, forChrist also hath once suffered
for sins, the just for theunjust that he might bring us to
God, being put to death in theflesh, but quickened by the
spirit Now watch this by whichalso he went and preached unto
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the spirits in prison.
All right, so there again, itsays that when Jesus was dead,
he went and preached in.
He preached to the spirits inprison.
Now watch this.
This is crazy, right here,verse 20, 1 Peter 3, verse 20,
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talking about the spirits whichsometime were disobedient when,
once, the long suffering of Godwaited, in the days of Noah,
while the ark was a preparing,wherein few, that is eight,
souls were saved by water.
Okay, so what does he say?
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He's saying Jesus, just likeEphesians said, jesus descended
into the lower parts of theearth and when he went, we find
out.
Peter tells us what he did whenhe was down there.
What did he do?
He didn't just lead captivity,captive, like Ephesians says,
but he went to the other side.
Remember, we said there's Hades, okay, and there's Abraham's
bosom in paradise.
He emptied Abraham's bosom inparadise out and led them back
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to heaven.
All those captives captive,david and Abraham and Moses and
all them.
He led them out, but on theflip side, there is a jail down
there where they're chained indarkness, these angels from
Genesis, chapter six, thatrebelled against him.
What did he do?
It says in first Peter that hewent and preached to the spirits
in prison that sinned in thedays of Noah.
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Yeah, that's what your Biblesays Yep.
In my Bible right.
Matt (42:40):
Yeah, it's good stuff, it's crazy stuff and it all ties
together in a nice perfectstory, right, if you're willing
to dig into it and pull it out.
Brandon (42:52):
And here's what happens .
Many of us we read.
We read through the NewTestament and we read it and we
just take it in stride and we'relike huh, I wonder what that
means and we never bother tolook.
But when you look at Genesis 6,and you look at Genesis 3.15,
the seed war, and then you go tothese different scriptures, I
mean it's absolutely crazy howmuch talk of the Nephilim giants
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, these offspring of theseangels are all throughout the
Bible and it's all behind thebackdrop and I guess where we're
headed is we're going to lookat all these facets and going
down all these rabbit trails andthings like that.
Matt (43:30):
We got about 20 or 30 episodes.
We're just teeing up right now.
Brandon (43:34):
We might just transition the whole podcast
into a Nephilim podcast becausethere's so much to talk about.
But here's the deal thathappened before the flood in the
days of Noah, but it's going tohappen.
I can take you to verses inRevelation.
I can take you to verses inThessalonians.
I can take you to verses inDaniel where it says it's going
to happen again, and I believethat it's already happening
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again and maybe never stopped.
Okay, so we're going to look atthat, but in the time that we
have left tonight, I think weshould look at, just because I
always try to think like askeptic.
Okay, because I'm trying toconvince people of what the
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Bible says.
All right, so we've laid outGenesis 3.15, the seed war,
genesis 6, what happened withsons of God, daughters of men,
creating this race of Nephilimmixed hybrid mess that they were
.
They're judged in the flood.
Okay, we see the confirmationof the New Testament pointing
back to the days of Noah and thejudging with the flood,
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judgment on the Nephilim, right,so we see all this.
But then you know that's thebeginning of the Bible before
the flood, and then you see itin the New Testament.
But then what about all thein-between passages?
Well, I want us to look, becauseI just want to pick a couple
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randomly out and I want to showyou that there was a lot of
angelic giants showing upthroughout the history of the
Bible sexual deviancy withgiants throughout Scripture.
I want you to look, if you havea Bible, numbers 13, the one
that you brought up there just asecond ago, numbers 13, verse
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number 32.
It talks about we see thechildren of Israel about to go
into the promised land andthey're talking about what the
land possesses and who's there.
They want to reclaim the land,recapture it, and Joshua sends
the spies in.
And then, I think Matt, that'swhere it picks up, numbers
chapter 13.
Matt (45:41):
Up an evil report of the land which they had searched
under the children of israel,saying the land through which we
have gone in to search it is aland that eateth up.
The inhabitants thereof and allthe people that we saw in it
are like men of great stature.
And there we saw the giants,the sons of anak, which came
from the giants and we are.
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We were in our sight asgrasshoppers and so we were in
their site.
So think about that right there.
Brandon (46:13):
So there's so much, so Joshua sends the 12 spies right
Moses sends the 12 spies.
Joshua, moses, they, whoeverthey, they send the 12 spies in
and they come back and give thereport okay, and they are, you
know.
They say, look, we can't do it.
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Ten of them say that.
Now Joshua and Caleb said thatwe can, we can, okay, and so ten
were bad, two were good, as welearned in Sunday school right.
Bad to her, good, as we learnedin Sunday school, right.
But the reason that they saidthey couldn't take the land is
because of the sons of Anak werethere.
So here you're, introduced to areal-life giant who had
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offspring, who still lived inthe land of Canaan at the time,
or within 40 years of the timeof the conquest, and they say we
can't go in because the sons ofAnak and we're like
grasshoppers in their sight.
Think about that.
You got to be pretty tall to beconsidered like a grasshopper.
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Yeah, you know, a human beingconsidered like a grasshopper.
So that brings up like, howtall were these guys?
You know?
I mean, we know.
One of their characteristicswas they were giants.
They may have had giantgrasshoppers.
They may have had giant.
They had giant grapes.
They did the grapes of Eshkol.
Maybe it was big grasshopperstoo.
Right, everything was big.
Matt (47:42):
They say everything's bigger in Texasas, but in israel
everything is, yeah, evidentlybigger in israel yeah you know,
and there's there's a lot oftheories that are that push out
there, that you know from theenoch stuff, that technology and
ideas and things, thatknowledge that got lost right,
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that was passed on to thesegiants, or the nephilim remnants
, right well, yeah, there's a,there's a lot there and and I,
we talked about this a littlebit I don't know if it was last
episode or or what, but we weretalking about how, if you lived
a really long time, you'd getreally, really smart.
Brandon (48:22):
Yeah, okay, now the book ofnoch.
When it talks about thissubject and I do I encourage you
to get the book of Enoch and toread it.
Now, you know the reason I dothat.
You know.
There's the book of Enoch.
It's divided into threesections.
I'm talking about first Enoch.
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You can order it on Amazon.
You can get it in paperback,things like that.
You'll begin to see what we'retalking about.
It tells you a lot more detailabout this story.
It tells you a lot of detailabout Enoch himself being taken
and being the liaison betweenthe fallen angels and the father
and communicating back andforth to them.
It goes into some details abouthow tall they were L's.
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Whoever knows how big that is,but there's speculation that
these guys might have beendozens or some people even say
hundreds of feet.
I mean, who knows how tallthese guys were?
But here's the deal.
What Enoch says is the original120 angels that rebelled.
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They were working for God, yeah, and they were teaching mankind
righteousness.
Now, remember, this is beforethe written word.
The word is settled in heavenbut given to men.
They didn't have the writtenword, so God gave them angels
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who had a job to teach them.
This is what the book of Enochsays, and I'm prefacing and
giving that caveat there.
But it says that the angelswere instructed to teach mankind
and they lusted toward theirdaughters and took them during
that time and rebelled againstGod and even though they were
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working and supposed to be doingsomething different, they
rebelled against God and thatthey taught mankind forbidden
things.
Okay, now that brings up a lotof trails that we could go down
to Ancient mystery religions,ancient secret societies, all
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kinds of stuff that supposedlyhave been enlightened, and light
bearers and things like thatwho have secret knowledge that
has been handed down.
And where did that come from?
But the Book of Enoch talksabout that.
They instructed men in the useof herbs, medicinal purposes,
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makeup how to beautify womenthrough makeup, the astrology
yeah, I mean it just, and we'regoing to get into all this, so
we don't.
But the the point is is that allthroughout the old testament
and the new testament, this istalked about and this is a big
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deal and we begin to.
Here's what you're going to do.
When I first started studyingthis, I started seeing it in a
few places and the more Istudied it, I started seeing it
everywhere, started seeing iteverywhere, all throughout
Scripture.
And let me say this to you,even Matt, even our modern
Marvel-type movies that are sobig, what is it?
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Often it's a superhero who, whois not 100 fully human.
He is some kind of hybrid thatcan morph into this superhuman.
Matt (51:54):
You see it everywhere and once you see it, guys, you can't
unsee it and, and you broughtup last time, I think, the the
noah movie, yeah, and the namesof those creatures that will
freak you out, because if youread the book of Enoch they
literally, like Azazel, theynamed the fallen angels.
Brandon (52:15):
They named those fallen angels, the leaders of them.
Matt (52:17):
The leaders of them and the names line up.
I mean, honestly, the Azazelthat's in Jewish.
What does it say Was?
Brandon (52:28):
there 120 or is there 200?
I think I misspoke.
There were 200.
Matt (52:33):
I think it may be 120.
We'll check on that.
It's been a while, yeah.
But so during the Passoverstory, right, okay, they take
the two goats the one is thesin-offering goat, the one is
the one that they offer and putthe blood on the altar.
The one, the high priest putshis hands on and transfers the
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sin of all of Israel onto thatgoat, takes it out to the
wilderness to kill it.
That is an offering in theirhistories to Azazel, right, and
that's literally in the Bible.
Brandon (53:15):
And Azazel was the leader of the fallen angels.
Leader of the fallen angels whosinned and did this, and that's
where the term scapegoat comesfrom.
Yeah, scapegoat.
So there's a lot there.
I want to end tonight in thisepisode just letting you know.
Matt just showed you in Numbers13, you see that they're afraid
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of these super tall sons ofAnak, descendants of the
Nephilim there, and the wordNephilim is used.
Genesis, chapter 19,.
This is the story of Lot.
Remember when Lot was down inSodom and he left Abram and he
ended up, the Bible says,sitting at the gate of Sodom,
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which means that he was probablyin a position of authority.
He was not only living in Sodom, but he was leading, a leader
inside the city and in itsgovernment, more than likely.
And then God is going todestroy the city, but Lot is
just and is a believer in thetrue and the living God, and so
God sends angels to rescue Lotand his family and he sends
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angels.
Sends angels to rescue Lot andhis family and he sends angels.
And Genesis, chapter 19, versenumber one.
It says and there came twoangels to Sodom at evening and
Lot sat in the gate of Sodom andLot, seeing them, rose up to
meet them and he bowed himselfwith his face toward the ground,
and so he welcomes them.
He welcomes them into his home.
Well, here's the deal.
These are angels, okay, and alot of people say, well, what
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was going on so bad in Sodom?
Now, I just want you to seethis, because after you see this
, you can't unsee this.
All right, what is going on?
You have Sodom that is about tobe destroyed with fire and
brimstone because they havereached a point where God is
done with him.
So what was it?
Was it just sexual sin?
Was it just homosexuality?
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Was it just those things thatmade God so mad?
Then you see this.
You see angels come to Lot towarn him.
And here's what the men of thecity do, verse number five.
And they called unto Lot, themen of the city, and said unto
him Verse number five.
And they called unto Lot, themen of the city, and said unto
him where are the men which cameinto thee this night?
Bring them out unto us that wemay know them.
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And that word know, it's KingJames, the biblical know.
It's the biblical know, and itmeans sexually know.
And Lot went out at the doorunto them and shut the door
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after them and said I pray you,brethren, do not so wickedly.
Behold wants to give hisdaughters to these men instead
of the angels.
Right, I can't even imagine.
But here's the deal.
Here's what I.
After you look at this, youstart to see that you know what
they were wanting these angelsto have sex with.
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And what you find out is acouple of chapters before there
was a huge war that Lot gottaken in and they call this the
Genesis.
I think it's chapter 15, if I'mnot mistaken.
Giant war, because you cantrack in the biblical narrative
where the leaders of Sodom andGomorrah were largely Nephilim
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in nature.
In that area there was a mix ofhuman leaders and Nephilim
leaders that were leading.
And then you have angels show up.
And what did the men want to do?
They want to have sexualrelations with the angels.
It is the same thing that'sgoing on the debauchery sexually
.
It's the same thing that'sgoing on the debauchery sexually
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.
And angels are desired in this.
The same as Genesis, chapter 6.
Now, these were good angelsthat smote them with bondness
and did it because they workedfor God.
But you see, the desire ofthese wicked men to be to
copulate with angels.
I mean, it's just.
You start to see this stuffeverywhere and God destroys them
, wipes them out, destroys them.
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Yeah, completely Utterannihilation.
Matt (57:32):
And that ties back into that stuff from Jude where, even
as Sodom and Gomorrah, the cityis about them and, like man,
are giving themselves over tofornication and going after
strange flesh, so what was Sodomand Gomorrah?
Brandon (57:47):
Give us that reference one more time.
And going after strange flesh,so what?
Matt (57:49):
was Sodom and Gomorrah.
Give us that reference one moretime.
Okay, that is Jude, chapter 1,verse 7.
Brandon (57:53):
Jude 1, verse 7.
It says that they were goingafter in Sodom, strange flesh.
And if you go to I think it's 2Peter, if I'm not mistaken as
well where it goes straight fromthe angels that send into the
story of Sodom.
Because anywhere you find, manytimes I shouldn't say anywhere,
(58:14):
but many times when you findwhy God sent the flood, you go
straight into the Sodom andGomorrah story as well.
I'm telling you there wassomething weird sexually
involving angels going on inSodom and Gomorrah and we don't
have all the answers, but it'sstrongly implied.
Matt (58:34):
So yeah, in 2 Peter, 2, 4, 5, and 6, literally, god spared
not the angels that sinned, butcast them into hell, delivering
them into the chains ofdarkness.
5 is spared not the old world,but saved Noah, the eighth
person, a preacher ofrighteousness, and then six is,
and turning the cities of Sodomand Gomorrah into ashes,
(58:55):
condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto
those that after should liveungodly.
So it's literally.
Brandon (59:03):
It's always connected, yeah.
Matt (59:03):
It's always connected, so it's literally, it's always
connected.
Brandon (59:06):
Yeah, it's always connected.
So I hope that you're seeingthis.
I hope that you're seeing thatnot only do we know that these
are angels, but it is everywherein your Bible, no matter where
you go.
Okay, now, what I want to showyou as we get into future
episodes.
I want to show you we've beentalking a lot about the book of
Enoch I want to show you and notjust you, take my word for it.
(59:28):
We'll read some experts fromthe book of Enoch and we'll show
you where these watcher angelscame down.
Matt (59:34):
We'll take you behind the scenes and show you what's been
going on, and it will lead up towhat's going on, even as we
speak, it's like, when angelscome down and people start
copulating with them, that Godjust wants to destroy whatever
area that is, yeah, he doesn't.
Brandon (59:53):
Yep, I mean it's just like wipe it out and he
completely destroyed Sodom.
Yeah, they didn't.
Even a lot of Bible haters andBible deniers said, oh, Sodom
didn't exist and all that kindof stuff, until they found it.
And they started finding out inthe over near the Jordan River
(01:00:14):
yeah, okay, in that area it'svery dry and arid and things
like that.
They found Sodom and there ishuge sulfur balls that you can
go and you can find.
They pick them up and theylight them with a lighter and
they light on fire.
It is completely destroyed andthere's a whole city there.
You can see what looks likeruins of a city and you know
(01:00:37):
what?
It never gets pointed out inarchaeological things.
History channel doesn't do any.
I mean, you know really seriousstuff on it and I think it's
because then it's going to bringup the, not only the
homosexuality and the sexualdegradation, but it's going to
expose what's happenedthroughout history with these
angels and what's going onbehind the scenes in another
(01:01:00):
dimension.
I mean, it's just, it'sabsolutely fascinating what's
going on all around us, what'sgoing on in history and what's
going on now.
And so we're going to leave itthere for this episode and we're
going to pick up with just aplethora of more information to
bring to you and connecting itall back to the Bible, because
this is the Bible Says podcastand, as always, we want you to
(01:01:24):
like and share and help us getthe word out.
But we really do appreciate ourviewership.
We want you to send us amessage, send us an email,
comment on our social media,help spread the word.
They say the magic number is 20episodes for a podcast to become
really set in and legitimized.
Well, this was episode number14.
So we're working our way thatway.
(01:01:44):
We're trying to stay faithfulwith it, trying to record as
much as we can get you at leastone episode a week.
That's what we're trying to doand trying to stay on track of
that, and we appreciate yourprayers and your support and we
appreciate all you guys and yourfamily and Matt appreciate you
and as partners here on theBible Says podcast, we just love
the Bible, we love the Lord andwe encourage you to know him.
(01:02:07):
Jesus loves you, jesus is Lordand if you don't know him,
invite him into your life, prayto him.
He's there, he's real, he diedfor you and he loves you and
he's the only thing, the onlyone that can save you from your
sin.
The most exciting story evertold, that's right, more
exciting than Genesis 6.
Matt (01:02:29):
Yeah, the reason for it is Genesis 6.
That's right.
Yeah, that's right.
Brandon (01:02:32):
God bless you guys.
Have a great night and we'llsee you again real soon.
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