September 16, 2024 • 59 mins
What if the Nephilim survived the Flood? In this episode of The Bible Says Podcast, we dive deep into the mysteries of Genesis 6 and the supernatural realm, exploring the enigmatic presence of the Nephilim. Did they reappear after the Flood, and if so, how? Join us as we uncover the origins and characteristics of these mysterious beings, drawing insights from renowned experts like Dr. Michael Heiser and Dr. Gary Wayne, all while grounding our analysis in Scripture.We tackle questions about the sons of God, their interactions with human women, and the true meaning of "Nephilim." Were these encounters voluntary? And what does the Bible reveal about their violent and cannibalistic nature? For those seeking deeper understanding, we suggest further reading from the Book of Enoch. Plus, we explore theories on how the Nephilim may have reappeared after the Flood—was there a second angelic rebellion?Our journey continues with a detailed look at the Nephilim's presence throughout the Old Testament, from the giants in the Promised Land to David's battles with Goliath and his brothers. We even connect Goliath's severed head to Golgotha, the site of Jesus' crucifixion, offering a new perspective on this profound symbolism.
Don’t miss this episode as we unravel the complex narrative of the Nephilim and its connection to spiritual warfare. Join the conversation by sharing your thoughts in the comments, and stay tuned for our next riveting discussion!
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Chapters: 00:00 - Intro 02:14 - The Nephilim: Origins and Misconceptions 10:53 - The Nature of the Nephilim: Violent and Cannibalistic 18:45 - How Did the Nephilim Reappear After the Flood? 29:07 - The Nephilim in the Old Testament: Giants in the Promised Land 35:15 - David, Goliath, and the Symbolic Connection to Golgotha 45:00 - Censorship Issues and Where to Find Our Uncensored Content 55:43 - Wrap-up and What's Next
📚 Further Reading:
- "The Unseen Realm" by Dr. Michael Heiser
- "Genesis 6 Conspiracy" by Dr. Gary Wayne
- The Book of Enoch
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Brandon (00:21):
Welcome back to the Bible Says Podcast, episode
number 15.
I am Brandon Matheson, I'm MattHunter and this is the Matt and
I were just talking about.
This is the much maligned,often censored, bible Says
Podcast.
If you don't know what we'retalking about, if you're a
YouTube subscriber and you triedto watch episode 13?
(00:43):
14.
14, episode 14.
Apparently we triggered thepowers that be because we talked
about watch my speech here,certain jabs and the
repercussions of certain jabs,and I'll say that in air quotes,
if you can read between thelines.
So we have been censored alittle bit and I think we got a
(01:08):
strike.
Matt (01:09):
We did get a strike.
Brandon (01:11):
I don't know what that means.
Is that like a jab, a strike,Something like that?
Yeah, Something like it.
So apparently free speech isdead.
As far as YouTube concerns, InAmerica.
You can't do it, but we alreadyknew that.
They're a bunch of leftistliberals, Anyway.
But who hey, guess what?
You can go to Spotify.
(01:31):
You can go to Apple Podcast.
Matt (01:34):
And you can watch video on Apple Podcast and Spotify,
right, yeah, all the rest of theplatforms are just audio.
Brandon (01:43):
I'm curious how many of you guys leave us a comment,
how many of you listen ratherthan watch, or watch rather than
listen.
I'd be curious to know what thebreakdown is out there and
we're going to start today.
We got some questions to getinto.
We like your questions so youcan email us.
If you know us personally, youcan personally shoot us a
(02:05):
message.
Certainly you can go tothebiblesayspodcastcom and send
us messages on Facebook.
Matt (02:12):
Yep messages on Facebook, get a few of those.
Brandon (02:14):
Yep or leave a comment on a video.
We'll see those.
So, anyway, we are into a verydeep subject, the subject of the
Nephilim in Genesis, chapternumber 6.
And we have spent the lastcouple hours together getting
into that, and so we want tocarry that on.
(02:36):
As we mentioned, this is a verytimely subject to get into
prophetically, and you'll seethat as we begin, you know,
continue to unpack these things,but, as always, we run
everything through the lens ofwhat does the Bible say.
So we want to ground everythingin Scripture, we don't want to
mislead anyone, and so we justwant to stay true to the Word of
(03:00):
God.
And so, matt, that's about allI got as far as preliminaries.
What, what do you got before weget into it tonight?
Matt (03:09):
that's it.
Just make sure, drop us likeshares, follows, yeah, as much
as we can get.
The more we get, more commentswe get, guys, the more
distribution we get yeah, yeah,we're open to comments, negative
or positive, just, uh, comment,listen.
Brandon (03:24):
um, we're trying to educate on biblical topics and
biblical truths, and I believethat we'll be on this topic for
at least a little while, becauseit's just an overwhelming topic
.
To begin, you begin to scratchthe surface when you read the
first four verses in Genesis 6,and then from there it branches
out and it is a huge undertaking.
Matt (03:46):
Yeah, and everybody seems to like it too.
It's very stimulating.
Brandon (03:53):
It stimulates the brain .
Matt (03:55):
It's stimulating, but literally the last two episodes
have gotten more downloads thanall the previous episodes
combined.
Brandon (04:02):
Ah, really, I didn't know that.
I'm finding that out.
Let me say this there's somegreat resources and, along this
line, if you want to get intothem, I will drop a few names
here and refer you to some oftheir stuff, because there are
people who just focus on thisstuff and in the last 10 years,
(04:23):
several books that I've read, alot of podcasts that I've
listened to, teachings, thingslike that there is a guy who is
now in heaven, who passed nottoo long ago, who wrote a
phenomenal book called theUnseen Realm.
His name is Michael Heiser, drMichael Heiser, and if you have
not read his book, the UnseenRealm, I think he's also got a
book on angels and a book ondemons.
(04:44):
He had a lot of lectures.
You can go on YouTube, michaelHeiser, and just listen for
hours.
Now I want to say this as you'veseen, in our prophetic talks,
our rapture talks, our pre-trib,mid-trib, post-trib debates,
not everybody's going to agree,okay, matt, and I don't agree on
(05:04):
everything.
Probably, when you pin it down,there are slight variations of
what we believe.
I don't totally endorseeverything Michael Heiser said,
you know, but the overarchingtrajectory of what he said, yeah
, it's been eye-opening to me.
So you have to put it in.
I just take everything with agrain of salt, run everything
through the Word of God and justpray on it and see what the
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Lord is showing, and then Iarrive at my conclusion.
Matt (05:31):
And he's also got a podcast out there, the Naked
Bible Podcast.
The Naked Bible Podcast yep,you don't want people to be
afraid of the Bible.
You're like this is in yourBible.
It's kind of what we're doing?
Brandon (05:42):
Not going to protect you from your Bible.
It's in your Bible.
That's kind of what we're doingNot going to protect you from
your Bible right.
Yeah Right, this is true, I willthrow out another guy.
There is a guy and, if youreally want to go down the
rabbit hole, he wrote a bookcalled Genesis 6 Conspiracy.
His name is Dr Gary Wayne.
I do not endorse.
(06:03):
I do not know everything abouthim.
I have listened to him quite abit.
I own his book.
I think he recently came outwith a volume two that some
folks that I know have alreadyread or beginning to read.
When you read his books,they're about 800 pages long and
they read like an encyclopedia.
This guy, he's got moreknowledge in his little pinky
(06:27):
than I've got in my whole body.
But I don't want to make anendorsement of his theology or
anything that he believes,necessarily.
I have listened to him quite abit and only found a couple
things that I would disagreewith him on.
So I don't want to give afull-threaded endorsement, but
these are some books that youcan get into.
Dr Gary Wayne.
You can listen to a lot ofpodcasts with him on YouTube and
(06:48):
just search him or MichaelHeiser.
Matt (06:51):
Michael Heiser has actually two versions of the
Unseen Realm.
He's got one.
The Unseen Realm is the moreacademic version and then
there's an easier-to-readversion of it.
I think it's Supernatural orsomething like that.
Brandon (07:08):
Okay, yeah, I've heard him talk about it.
Matt (07:10):
Yeah, so it's less.
Brandon (07:12):
I have the Unseen Realm , so I'm not sure.
Matt (07:14):
Yeah, I've got the Unseen Realm too.
But the Unseen Realm, you'vegot footnotes, right?
You know, every chapter willhave 15 to 20 footnotes of where
he found his information, right.
Yeah, chapter will have 15 to20 footnotes of where he found
his information, right?
Brandon (07:27):
yeah, and you can chase all those trails down too with
the unseen realm.
And he was a Hebrew scholar,yes, and so these are scholarly
writings that he does, and verydocumented, very.
He does not read into theScripture where it's not, so
yeah.
So we give props to him andthanks for all his work.
And now he's with the Lord andwe are carrying on down here.
(07:49):
But we want to basically visitwhere we've been over the last
couple episodes.
If you're just tuning in, weencourage you to go back to
episode number 13 and 14.
Listen to that as we delve intothis topic.
But a couple of big takeawaysfrom the last couple weeks
together, or last coupleepisodes, are that the sons of
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God mentioned in Genesis,chapter 6, where it says the
sons of God came into thedaughters of men, the sons of
God, there are angels.
Okay, we know that from doingin the first and second episode
of this series kind of delveinto that.
The B'nai Ha'Elohim.
If you go through that, everytime it's used, it's used of
angels.
It's kind of very weakarguments.
(08:39):
If you don't side with angels,I mean it falls apart pretty
quick.
So we kind of came away withthat that the sons of God are
the angels.
There is documentation of thisin your Bible, in the Old
Testament, but also in the NewTestament.
There's a lot said about it.
So that's kind of the pointsthat we wanted to really drive
home is sons of God are angels.
And then the second fact thatwe have established the big
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takeaway over the last couplehours together are that these
sons of God committed a gravesin against God prior to the
flood.
Okay, and this was thereasoning and the backdrop, the
context, if you will, for theflood.
This was the straw that brokethe camel's back, that caused
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God to destroy the world bywater and by the flood.
So those are the big takeaways.
We've documented that We'vegone to a lot of scriptures, as
we've spent a couple hourstogether and showed you that we
did get some questions, and Iwant to address those and talk
through those.
I got an email not too long agoand there were several questions
(09:44):
in it and I wanted to kind ofaddress those on here.
One of the first questions thatwas asked was the sons of God
took the daughters of men.
We know that it's angels takinghuman women and having sex with
them.
Did the women know the angels?
Okay, did they know that theywere going to be taken.
We kind of touched on that.
(10:05):
Was it voluntary versusnon-voluntary, and did they know
the angels, or were they justlike minding their own business
one day and taken?
Uh, what do you think aboutthat, matt?
Matt (10:14):
well, we don't have clear context of that from the bible,
right, we do have a little bitof information, if you take into
account the book of enoch, thatthose watcher angels had jobs
to do.
Right, they were teaching,right um mankind about spiritual
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things.
Right, that was more or lesstheir job, and just showing them
how to live and how to dothings Right.
So is it possible that theyknew the angels Right?
Yes, it's possible, but wecan't say for sure one way or
the other.
Brandon (10:53):
We can't really definitively answer that one.
Matt (10:56):
Now the word that is used, that they were taken.
That does have implications, orcould have.
Yeah, it could have.
Brandon (11:07):
Could have implications that it means a snatching away
or a catching away Almost likean Old Testament rapture type
word.
Yeah, you know that they weretaken quickly.
Yeah, and it kind of makes youwonder if it was voluntary.
But we don't know.
I mean, we really we don't know, we really don't know, we don't
know.
But now the book of Enoch saysthat when the angels took the
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women, they took them.
The original guys took one wife.
It does point out that theytook a singular wife.
So maybe it was voluntary,maybe it wasn't, I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know.
The next question was there wasa little confusion from some
folks and I just want to.
Every time I've ever taught onthis, you know, biblically
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speaking, in church setting orthings like that, I always get
this there's confusion overbecause the Bible says you know
there were Nephilim in the earthin those days and also after
that.
So the Nephilim were theNephilim the sons of God or
who's the Nephilim?
You know?
That's the question.
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Was it the sons of God or wasthe offspring of the sons of God
?
That's the question.
So to answer that, we just wantto be real clear and try to
make this clean up.
You know any muddy picture thatyou might have.
The sons of God are the B'naiElohim.
They are the ones that rebelledand took women.
So you have a spirit beingcreated by God and a human being
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okay, and they create theNephilim.
Okay, the word Nephilim, whichcomes from Nephal, which means
fallen.
It is, the Nephilim are theoffspring of the B'nai Elohim.
So the Nephilim are not thesons of God.
The sons of God produce theNephilim by mating with the
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women.
Is that clear?
Is there a better way to saythat?
Just want to make sure thatnobody is kind of messed up on
that.
Matt (13:08):
Yeah, I think that's pretty much it.
Brandon (13:18):
Okay.
So, and let me say this aboutthe word Nephilim we, you know
how's the best way to say this.
It's a little deceiving becausein the King James, many times
the word Nephilim most of thetime, if not all the time I'll
have to look back is translatedgiant.
Okay, now the Nephilim.
(13:40):
I prefer that word beingtranslated Nephilim, you know,
rather than giant, because giantwe think of giant, we think of
tall people.
Okay, that's what?
Yeah, tall, massive, whetherit's a nine-foot giant,
nine-foot-nine-eighths, likeGoliath or whatever, or bigger.
You know, we in our society, inour culture, we think of giant
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as being tall.
So when you say giant, you'reautomatically thinking tall.
And it's true that the Nephilimwere tall, but they were also
the Bible says, mighty men orgibberim, which is they're
tyrants, they're violent.
So there's so much more to themthan just being tall.
They were violent, they werecannibalistic.
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So there's so much more to themthan just being tall.
They were violent, they werecannibalistic, they were
extremely just, hateful, brute.
I'm searching for adjectiveshere, but that describes them.
So when you say there'sNephilim, the Nephilim can
encompass all of those wordsWere they tall, were they giant?
Yes, encompass all of thosewords.
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Were they tall, were theygiants?
Yes, they varied in height, uh,uh, depending on which
generation of them that you see.
Uh, but the the word nephilim.
We just need to make sure thatyou understand that there were
nephilim in the earth in thosedays and also after those days,
also after that, and thenephilim one of their
characteristics, where they weretall, but there's so much more
to them.
They were evil, brute,cannibalistic killers, murderers
(15:08):
.
Yeah.
Matt (15:09):
And we honestly don't know what they were capable of Right
.
Brandon (15:16):
There's a lot to them.
Matt (15:18):
You think about the offspring of an angel and a
human Right.
Okay, which one'scharacteristics did it take on
Right?
Brandon (15:30):
Did it tend toward more like mom or dad?
Matt (15:32):
Yeah, exactly.
Brandon (15:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, and you know there's a lotof things that we don't really
understand, that you think ofthese evil beings as, think of
it like first generation.
Okay, so these sons of God takethese wives and they produce
Nephilim, these sons and thesebecome the mighty men, the
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legendary men, if you will.
And the book of Enoch.
It says and we encourage you toread the book of Enoch, we're
going to get into that in alittle while why we encourage
you to do that.
But you see that they were veryviolent, they were the kings of
the earth ruling over, but itseems that perhaps early on they
guarded that bloodline, if youwill, and didn't water it down.
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So I me personally, I thinkbefore the flood, the Nephilim
were probably characteristicallydifferent than the Nephilim
after the flood, and what led tothe Rephaim and things like
that, and we'll get into it,don't let us confuse you yet.
But I think they begin to haveto, you know, intermarry
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themselves and I think that itcan dilute the bloodline, if you
will.
And I think that's why, if youreally want to go down the
conspiracy path, why a lot ofsecret societies and things like
that, protect the bloodline.
Matt (17:00):
Not only secret societies.
I mean, if you look at themonarchies of, most of Europe.
Brandon (17:08):
They guarded their bloodline.
Matt (17:09):
They guarded their bloodline and you can literally
chase most of those all the wayback to Constantine.
Nearly every monarchy in Europeover the last several hundred
years can trace its lineages toConstantine.
Right, I've heard that.
No, I've looked at it.
(17:29):
I've looked at it, I've runthrough it.
Brandon (17:31):
Yeah, it's fascinating.
So there's this protection ofthe bloodline, no doubt, and is
that interwoven with thebiblical narrative of the
Nephilim Guys?
Suffice it to say this we'resitting here talking and
rambling about this because it'sso easy to put the car in park
and just sit there and talkabout different facets and
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different variations ofquestions, because you'll answer
10 questions and you'll have 20, because it just branches off.
It's such a huge topic.
So we're trying to make itclear, trying to make it
understandable.
Now, the third question thatwe've gotten and I want to
clarify for folks is this therewere giants in the earth in
those days and also after that.
(18:16):
Okay, what does that mean?
All right, and let's just lookat it real quick.
Genesis, chapter 6.
Matt chime in on what you thinkabout that.
There were giants in the earthin those days and also after
that.
You know the way that Englishreads.
It means that in those days ofthese sons of God taking the
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daughters of men, which the bookof Enoch says happened in the
days of Jared, okay, so you're afew hundred years before the
flood in those days and alsoafter that.
And so what does that afterthat mean?
Does it mean after that time,but before the flood, or does it
mean after that time, after theflood?
Matt (18:59):
I think it means after the flood, that, and there's
several different theories onbecause.
Why do you think it means afterthe flood and there's several
different theories on because?
Brandon (19:08):
Why do you think it means after the flood?
Matt (19:10):
Okay, so you also have Anak Gog, or Og yeah, the
Rephaim, I mean you have loadsof people who seem to trace
their lineage back to some sortof Nephilim or child of the gods
(19:32):
.
Child of the gods or somethinglike that.
Brandon (19:34):
So you're saying that you think that Genesis 6, when
it says there were giants in theearth in those days and also
after that, you think it refersto before the flood and after
the flood?
Yeah, and the reason, yourevidence for that is so many
Nephilim show up after the flood.
Yeah, I mean in simple terms.
Matt (19:52):
And whether it's you know the genetic line from you know
one of Noah's daughter-in-lawsor something like that.
Brandon (20:00):
Well, let's get into some of those possibilities.
You know what Matt's alludingto.
There is okay.
So you have all right.
So you have the sons of God.
Take the daughters of men.
They create these Nephilim.
God says I'm going to destroythe earth.
Mankind is, you know,completely wicked.
(20:20):
Every imagination is only evil,continually all this kind of
stuff.
But Noah found grace in theeyes of the Lord.
He was perfect in hisgenerations.
I think we got into that lasttime.
He was perfect in hisgenerations or his genealogy.
So Noah and eight, seven otherpeople eight total are saved by
getting on the ark.
So how do Nephilim show upbefore the flood and after the
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flood?
How is it in those days andalso after that?
There's some theories on it.
There's three or four leadingtheories of how that happened,
and I've been asked thisquestion and maybe you've been
wondering this.
So let's just kind of rattleoff two, three, four of them
that we know of the big ones.
What do people think?
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How did the Nephilim bloodlinego, get to the other side of the
flood?
Matt (21:11):
Well, the one is the genetics.
Okay, so one of I can'tremember which son, it is off
the top of my head, but one ofNoah's sons married a woman who
had Nephilim bloodline.
That's a theory.
That's a theory.
That's a theory.
Brandon (21:25):
Okay, so a theory is that Noah, who had Sham, ham and
Japheth, his three sons, so theeight people that were saved
were Noah and his wife, mrs Noah, right, yeah, and they had Sham
, ham and Japheth and theirthree wives Three wives.
The Bible does not say thatNoah's daughters-in-law were
pure blood.
It says Noah was perfect in hisgenerations.
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It doesn't say even his kids'generations.
It says in his generations.
All right, so you're sayingthat's a theory and I've heard
that that is a theory.
So basically, you would saycontaminated blood line was on
the ark.
That's one option that peoplebelieve.
Matt (22:05):
That's not necessarily what I subscribe to Me either,
because there's some others it'spossible, but yeah, there would
have to be a lot of other crazystuff going on too.
Brandon (22:19):
So the daughter-in-law theory is one I've heard of
another, one kind of the theyhid in the earth theory.
Okay, there is a theory thatsays that the Nephilim hid
somewhere in the earth from theflood.
And people will say, well, youknow, it doesn't say that God
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destroyed.
It says that God destroyedeverything that he created, but
he didn't create the Nephilim.
So people will say, well, hedidn't create them.
You know, they were aperversion of the sons of God
and the daughters of men, and somaybe they hid somewhere.
And I've even heard that maybetheir dads, who are the sons of
God, who had access to the earthand the heavens, took them off
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the earth and hid them somewherefrom the wrath of God.
Who had access to the earth andthe heavens took them off the
earth and hid them somewherefrom the wrath of God.
So somehow they hid from thewrath of God is a theory that is
out there.
I don't know that that's thebest one, but that's out there.
Matt (23:18):
I don't like that one.
You don't like that one.
I kind of feel like the sons ofGod had been chained up Right.
Brandon (23:25):
Well, let me give you probably the one that I would
subscribe to.
If you said, brandon, if youhad $1,000 to bet on how the
Nephilim got on the other sideof the flood, what would you say
?
And I would say this that therewere 200 angels who rebelled
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prior to the flood.
Okay, the book of Enoch sayscame down on Mount Hermon and
committed this act prior to theflood.
Okay, I think it's the mostlogical is that other angels,
okay, did it again after theflood, rebelled and did it again
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.
And I don't think that'scompletely without biblical
support.
And I want to read you Jude.
Jude only has one chapter, 25verses, so let me read you Jude,
verse number six.
It says and the angels whichkept not their first estate but
left their own habitation.
We talked about this.
They left their own habit, theykept not their first estate but
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left their own habitation.
That is the word Orcuterion.
It's only used two times in theNew Testament and it is used
here of angels trading in theirOrcutarian.
And it says that in Corinthians, that we desire to be clothed
as Christians with our heavenlyOrcutarian and it just simply
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means our residence, ourspiritual body.
Okay, it is the housing for thespiritual body.
So the angels that kept nottheir first estate but left
their own, orchid terrian.
They left their own habitationor their own residence, their
body.
He has reserved an everlastingchange under darkness, under the
judgment of the great day.
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So these angels rebelled, theytraded in their body, they left
that body, and we talked aboutthat last time.
The New Testament warns us whenyou're entertaining a stranger,
you could be talking to anangel because they look human.
They can trade in and have ahuman-looking body, okay, but
then I want you to see this.
That's Jude, verse 6.
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Read verse 7.
It says this even as in theKing James, yeah, even as Sodom
and Gomorrah.
Now, the word even as there andI've got it written in the
margin of my Bible it means inlike manner.
Yeah, so these angels that keptnot their first estate but left
their own habitation, he hathreserved an everlasting change
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under darkness, under thejudgment of the great day, in
like manner as Sodom andGomorrah".
In like manner as Sodom andGomorrah and the cities about
them, in like manner, givingthemselves over to notice this
fornication.
What do we think of when wethink about Sodom and Gomorrah?
We think about likehomosexuality, okay, okay, yeah,
(26:18):
we'll see if YouTube censorsthis right.
So we're.
You know that's what you thinkabout men with men, women with
women sexually.
Okay, we think, oh, that's thebig bad sin and that is a bad
sin.
That is a sin, okay, but itsays that in a light manner,
connecting the sex with angelsto Sodom and Gomorrah, and it
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says they gave themselves overto fornication and going after.
Notice this in your Bible.
Verse seven strange flesh,strange flesh.
Now, that's a weird way, youknow.
I don't know if you've everdated like a strange woman or
something like that before yougot married, but I don't think
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that's what the Bible talksabout.
Going after strange flesh, likesome weird girl you dated.
What does it mean?
It connects it to the angels ofverse 6, like as, and verse 8
even connects it.
It says likewise Also, thesefilthy dreamers defile the flesh
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, despise dominion and speakevil of dignities.
And verse 9 says yet Michael thearchangel.
It connects it to Michael notspeaking evil of Satan in
disputing Moses' body.
There is a direct connection inverse 6, 7, 8, and 9 to angels
and the sin of the Nephilim, orthe sin of the sons of God in
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Genesis 6, and a connection toSodom and Gomorrah.
Big takeaway is there was someweird stuff going on in Sodom
and Gomorrah and that's afterthe flood.
What were they doing?
They were going after strangeflesh.
They were having sexualrelations with angels.
I'll say it in Sodom andGomorrah.
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And what happened to them?
They were burnt up with fireand brimstone.
Matt (28:13):
It appears over a couple times in the Bible that anytime
God just utterly destroyssomething, it's always connected
to, it's always connected to,it's always connected to angels
and Nephilim, yep, always,always.
If he tells you, know, we'llprobably get into it with you.
Know the Exodus story whenJoshua was going into the
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promised land, right, he tellshim to destroy.
Right, these people, groups.
And so many people have aproblem with that.
Brandon (28:43):
Why is your God, Matt, so angry and mean and wants to
destroy?
Matt (28:47):
Why an entire race off the ?
Brandon (28:49):
earth.
Hebrew words utterly destroy.
Yeah, completely.
Matt (28:52):
Men, women, boys, girls, kids, dogs everybody, everybody,
everything, destroy everythingthat they've touched.
Brandon (28:59):
Why, why, Because everything destroy everything
that they've.
Why why?
Because they were not fullyhuman.
Human, that's the answer.
That's weird, isn't it?
I mean, the first time I heardthat, guys, I it weirded me out.
I was like no way.
But then when you start to lookat it, see sodom and gomorrah.
Why was sodom and gomorrah?
Why does it stand out?
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What did they do that was sobad to be completely wiped off
the face of the earth?
It wasn't just homosexuality no, because half the US would be
gone Absolutely.
It wasn't just, it wasn't justlike heterosexual sin.
It wasn't.
It was they were going afterstrange flesh.
In fact, let's look at a verseor two Genesis 19.
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Let's look at that because itwas on the list to look at
anyway.
It's Old Testament account ofSodom and Gomorrah.
Look at Genesis 19, versenumber five.
So Lot is a Christian.
He is, he's saved, he's abeliever in the Lord the Bible.
In the New Testament, it sayshe is righteous, he's a believer
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in the Lord the Bible.
In the New Testament, it sayshe is righteous.
That's what it says.
So he's in Sodom, though, okay.
And the Bible says in the NewTestament that every day it
vexed his righteous soul.
And I often think about that,because when a Christian gets
involved in sin and is in aplace where they should not be,
they are never at peace.
The wicked never have peace,okay, and when you sin you never
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have that peace.
That passes all understandingand so it vexed Lot's righteous
soul.
So he's living in Sodom, he hashis wife and he has two girls,
and those two girls are married,okay, and then married or about
to be married, and it appearsthat Lot, if you read the
beginning of verse number one ofchapter 19, that Lot sat in the
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gate of Sodom, which means it'skind of like code talk, that he
was in leadership, maybe evenin governmental leadership,
because when you said thatsomeone sat in the gate, that's
where all the local politicalbusiness was done the business,
the business.
So he could have been Mayor LotI mean, we don't know or
councilman, or on the schoolboard, we don't know.
All right, okay.
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But so Lot is there and God isgoing to destroy Sodom and
Gomorrah for the sin that theyhave.
But God warns Lot, okay, andhe's like I'm not going to
destroy it until Lot and hisfamily get out of there.
And you ask yourself, well, whywouldn't he destroy Sodom and
Gomorrah until then, because Lotwas righteous.
Okay, god does not put hiswrath on the righteous.
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This is a Old Testamentevidence for a pre-trib rapture.
I think, okay, god is not goingto pour his wrath out, and I
will even say this, or even amid-trib, if you do not begin
the wrath of God until themiddle of the tribulation.
I don't want to go down thatrabbit hole, but that's why the
pre-rathers and the mid-tribbersand the pre-tribbers that's
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where they draw the wrath of Godat different locations.
Because of stories like this.
God doesn't pour his wrath outupon his own people.
So God sends angels to warn Lotand his family to get the heck
out, okay.
And in verse number five it saysthat these angels come in and
the wicked men of the city, okay, watch this.
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And they called unto Lot, thesewicked men, and said unto them
where are the men which cameinto thee this night?
Bring them out unto us that wemay know them.
So the men of the city see theangels of God come into Lot and
to his house and they knock onthe door, beat on the door and
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they demand that Lot give themthese angels, these men, that
they can have sex with them.
It says that we may know them.
That is in the biblical sense,okay, the King James Version
writes it.
So you say it in not such anuncouth way.
And Lot went out at the doorunder them and shut the door
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after him.
So he kind of slips out on hisfront porch right, shuts the
door behind him and he says thisand this is such despicable
actions by Lot.
And he said I pray you,brethren, do not so wickedly.
Behold, now I have twodaughters which have not known
man.
So he has virgin daughters.
Okay, so they.
But we find out later that theyhave guys that they're about to
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marry.
That won't okay, but they'revirgins.
They've never known a man.
Let me, I pray you, bring themout unto you and do ye to them,
as is good in your eyes, onlyunto these men.
These angels do nothing For.
Therefore came they under theshadow of my roof.
So he offers them his owndaughters in this despicable act
which is this is a gross story,okay.
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And then all the actions thathappen later with Lot and his
daughters and impregnating hisown daughters.
I mean, it's despicable, it's anasty story.
But back up and look at thecontext.
What do you have?
You have Sodom and Gomorrah,you have angels coming to warn
Lot and you have men wicked menwanting to have sexual relations
with the angels.
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Okay, there again is anothersexual-related incident with
angels and men.
So this goes back to our point.
The Nephilim show up after theflood.
Why?
Probably because the angelswere still up to their same
shenanigans of mating with humanbeings.
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Now an astute listener is goingto point out the men of the
city wanted to have sex with him.
Men and men couldn't reproduce.
Well, in either this episode ornext episode, we're going to
read you excerpts of the book ofEnoch and it's going to show
you that they not only defilethemselves with women, but they
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defile themselves with all flesh.
Yeah, okay, that is part of thedebaucherous actions of the
Nephilim, who were created bythese sons of God.
Okay, so that's that's.
It's crazy All these the I meanwe're just answering the
questions that we've gotten sofar, which are just unbelievable
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.
It's crazy.
Why don't we, matt?
Why don't we look at somethings, some other examples in
the Old Testament of Nephilimshowing up?
Let's look at some of those.
I know we've got some of those,unless you have anything to add
any different than that.
Matt (35:27):
No, I don't think so.
That'd be cool, all right.
So if you have a, Bible.
Brandon (35:32):
we'll read out a couple scriptures and you can go to
them with us.
Matt is going to look upNumbers 13, verse 32 and 33, and
I already showed you Genesis 19.
And then we're going to look upNumbers 13, verse 32 and 33.
And I already showed youGenesis 19.
And then we're going to look atthree or four of these.
They're kind of fascinatingNumbers 13, verse 32.
Matt (35:50):
Okay, and they brought up an evil report of the land which
they had searched under thechildren of Israel, saying the
land through which we have goneto search it is a land that
eateth up the inhabitantsthereof and all the people that
we saw in it are men of greatstature.
And there we saw the giants,the sons of Anak, which come of
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the giants, and we were in ourown sight as grasshoppers, and
so were we in their sight.
Brandon (36:21):
Okay, so the context of this story is Kadesh Barnea.
Okay, moses is sending in spiesto spy out the land.
Okay, to bring him a reportback and see if we can take the
land.
Okay, this is like fresh out ofEgypt, right?
And this is the incident thatupsets God.
And he does not allow them togo into the promised land
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because they backpedal and areafraid to go in.
Why are they afraid to go in,matt?
Look at some of those key wordsagain.
Because of who?
Matt (36:51):
There are men of great stature.
We saw the giants.
Brandon (36:57):
And that word there.
Is that the word Nephilim or isthat the word Rephaim?
Do you know?
Matt (37:04):
I think that's Rephaim.
What's the scripture.
I'll look it up real quick 13,numbers, 13, 32.
Brandon (37:12):
I think that one's the last word.
Okay, numbers 13, 32.
It is the word.
Well, I'm looking when does itsay it?
And they brought up anyonebefore.
Matt (37:32):
Men of great stature is the end of 32.
And then 33.
Brandon (37:37):
There we saw the giants .
That is the word Nephilim.
Yep, that is the word NephilimFrom the Nephilim.
Yep, that is the word Nephilim.
Men of great stature is notOkay.
So Nephilim is there weregiants, the sons of Anak, so it
is the word Nephilim there, okay, so there you have in the
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promised land.
Okay, now think about this.
Okay, there you have in thepromised land.
Okay, now think about this.
Okay, so you have Israel, who'sbeen 400 years in slavery in
Egypt.
They used to live here.
This is where Abraham was fromright in that area.
Abraham, isaac and Jacob, theygo down, go ahead.
Matt (38:15):
Something interesting that just hit me with that verse Go
ahead.
We were asking if they werebefore and after the flood.
So it literally says they come.
The sons of Anak come of thegiants.
Brandon (38:31):
That is true.
So you have?
Yeah, I'm going to mark thatdown in my Bible.
Matt (38:41):
We're making notes as we go.
Yep when?
Brandon (38:43):
are we at Numbers 13?
Matt (38:45):
Yeah, number 13.
You guys don't mind, do you?
Hey, this is a conversation,yeah.
Brandon (38:48):
We want it to be a conversation.
Numbers 13, when you learnsomething, you don't know it all
, so write it down.
Numbers 13, 33, and there wesaw the giants, the sons of Anak
, which come of Okay Matt, whatdoes that say?
In like the ESV, I'm curious ofthe giants.
Let me switch over, becausesome of those words are italics
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in the King James here in mine,which means that they're kind of
making the sentence make sense.
Matt (39:21):
Okay.
Brandon (39:23):
Just verse 33.
Matt (39:24):
There we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak who come from
the Nephilim.
Well, there you go, so that'seven clearer.
Dang right.
Okay, there's our verse theNephilim after the flood Okay.
Brandon (39:37):
No, I mean yeah.
This is why there's severalpieces of evidence that point
you to.
This is what theologians onthis like.
If you read Heiser and you readGary Wayne and these guys,
they'll say a second incursion.
That's what they'll, yeah,which means that the first
incursion was before the floodin the days of Jared, genesis 6.
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And then there's second andmultiple incursions.
Multiple incursions or secondincursion is kind of what they
do.
So I want to read you we'relooking at Old Testament
accounts of Nephilim.
We just looked one in Numbers13.
I want to look at Deuteronomy,chapter number 3, and I want you
to see this verse, number 11,.
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Okay, deuteronomy 3, 11 saysfor only Og, king of Bashan,
remained of the notice.
This, the remnant of the giants.
Okay, so he remained of theremnant of the giants.
Now, this is interesting.
Watch this.
Behold, his bedstead was abedstead of iron.
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Behold, his bedstead was abedstead of iron, is it not?
In Rabath of the children ofAmmon?
Nine cubits was the lengththereof and four cubits the
breadth of it, after the cubitof a man, okay, so here is Og,
king of Bashan.
And if you want to know whereBashan is, it is in northern
Israel, up next to the Caesarea,philippi area, all that kind of
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stuff.
Matt, we were over there a yearor so ago.
This is the area of Bashan,okay, and there was a king over
the area of Bashan.
His name was Og, okay, now thisverse says that he had a bed
that was made of iron.
Now think about that.
So this is a big dude, allright, that was made of iron.
Now think about that.
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So this is a big dude, allright, his bed is made of iron,
probably because he's a brutebeast who weighs a ton, right,
all right.
And it says that it is kept.
His bed is kept in Rabath andAmmon.
Well, when they take thepromised land, they kill this
guy, okay, they kill this Og,king of Bashan.
Okay, and notice what it sayshere.
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It tells us how long his bedwas.
It says that it was nine cubits.
Okay, was the length thereofand four cubits the breadth
thereof, okay.
Now, I don't know about you Ifyou guys can see, just get out a
calculator, a cubit when yousee it in the bible, um is is
argued over, but most standard,you know, interpretations say
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that from the tip of your elbowto your middle finger.
So the length from your elbow toyour middle finger is about 18
inches, okay.
So that's what they called acubit.
Now they're, they had a royalcubit that would get to 20
inches, maybe even 21 or 22inches, but the standard.
You know, you use this whenyou're talking about the arc and
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how big it was and stuff likethat.
But let's just say it's 18inches, okay.
So 18 inches times nine ofthose okay is how big this guy's
bed is.
That's 162 inches, if you, ifyou divide it by 12, his bed,
are you ready?
This is bigger than aCalifornia King, okay.
It's 13 and a half feet long,okay, and it's four cubits wide,
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which is 72 inches, which issix feet wide.
Just for him to lay down on, hehad to have six foot of space
by 13 1⁄2.
That's how big this Joker was.
Okay, that's crazy, it'sabsolutely crazy.
It is.
I mean, it's just absolutelycrazy.
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Now let me say this.
I mean it's just it'sabsolutely crazy.
Now let me say this A lot ofthese Nephilim we mentioned to
you, they're, you know, whenthey died, their spirits are the
unclean spirits.
Is what the book of Enoch says,that is, the demons or the
unclean spirits.
The reason I want to mentionthis is the Psalm.
Chapter 22 is a Psalmprophesying Jesus being
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crucified on a cross and itprophesies, a thousand years
before it happens, the wordsthat he would say.
The chapter starts with my God,my God, why hast thou forsaken
me?
And it's a view of Jesus whathe's seeing hanging on the cross
.
And he says in that prophecy,in Psalm 22, he says many bulls
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of Bashan have compassed meabout.
So, as Jesus looked out fromthe cross, he sees spiritual
beings who are surrounding him,who are in the realm that we
can't see.
He sees these evil guys allaround the cross.
That gives me chills, thinkingabout it.
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And what area are they from?
Bashan, and Bashan is where Ogwas king of and it's where many
of the giants were.
And, by the way, it is the areawhere Caesarea Philippi is.
And, matt, you know thisbecause I got a chance to preach
this at Caesarea Philippi.
Okay, I got to talk about thisstuff.
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Okay, caesarea Philippi is thisarea where a lot of these
giants who, when they're dead,they are confined to the earth
and they are the evil spirits.
Jesus goes to Caesarea Philippiapproximately about 10 days or
so before his death and he sayshe makes a bold declaration.
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He asked his disciples who domen say that I am?
And they say well, some sayyou're this guy and this guy.
And he goes who do you say thatI am?
And Peter makes hisproclamation that made him Pope,
remember.
And he says he goes I'm teasingthere, okay.
So Peter says thou art Christ?
Okay, and he makes hisdeclaration that Christ is the
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son of the living God.
And then Jesus says flesh andblood have not revealed this to
you, but my father, which is inheaven.
And what does he say?
He says thou art Peter, andupon this rock I will build my
church.
Okay.
Now our Catholic friends saythat he's talking about he's
going to build the church onPeter, and this is where Peter
becomes a pope.
Thus my cynicism, becausethat's not what he's talking
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about.
At Caesarea Philippi, there is amountain Get this.
It is the foot of the mountainof Hermon, okay, and it is a
rock mountain, okay, huge rock.
Yes, it's called CaesareaPhilippi or in bygone eras it's
been called Panaeus.
They worship the god Pan, whichis where, yes, where we get
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Peter Pan and all that.
I mean Disney knows all aboutthis, okay, but at Caesarea
Philippi, there is a cave there,and I've seen it with our own
eyes.
We've been there.
We're taking pictures in frontof it.
It is called the Gate of Hell,okay, and the whole mountain's a
rock.
So Jesus is saying thou artPeter, and upon this rock and
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he's talking not to Peter, Idon't even think he's talking
about himself, he's talkingabout the mountain.
And he says upon this rock, Iwill build my church, and the
gates of hell, referencing thatplace, will not be able to
prevent my church.
Okay, so what is he doing?
He is saying in the living roomof the spirit beings evil
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spirits that are there I ambuilding my church and there's
nothing you can do about it.
You can't stop it, you can'thold it back.
And he basically goes toCaesarea Philippi, picks a fight
and then, just a few days later, is killed.
And the New Testament I'll bedone, and let you chime in here
the New Testament says that he'skilled just a few days later.
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But it says if theprincipalities and the powers
that rule the earth had known,they would not have killed the
Son of God, not have known whatthat killing him would bring
about their demise.
Jesus went and picked a fightwith them and it's strategic
that he did it right there.
And that is the area and I justwant to throw this in of Bashan
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.
Matt (47:56):
Yeah, it's the area of Bashan and you literally have to
understand the language there,the Greek language, there the
Greek, because Peter means rock,but the word used for Peter
means a little pebble that'seasily dislodged.
Brandon (48:16):
And that's why most people who are not of the
Catholic persuasion will besaying well, he wasn't talking
about Peter the little rock.
He's talking about him.
I am the rock.
You know the rock that led him.
I think he's talking about themountain.
That's what I've believed for along time.
I am the rock.
You know the rock that led himin the.
You know, I think he's talkingabout the mountain.
Yeah, that's what I've believedfor a long time, and it makes
sense, considering where he'sstanding.
Matt (48:32):
At the gate of hell, and the gate of hell is right there.
Right, they've been havingpagan worship right there.
Brandon (48:42):
Right.
Matt (48:43):
And considering he's standing in front of this rock
at Caesarea Philippi Right, andconsidering he's standing in
front of this rock at Caesarea,philippi.
Right.
What else would he be talkingabout?
Brandon (48:53):
You've got to put it in context and you've got to put
it in the scenery of the day.
There he is.
Matt (48:59):
He's like he literally told Peter that you're a little
pebble and I'm building mychurch on this rock, not Peter's
profession of faith, right,yeah, no, I think otherwise you
wouldn't call him a littlepebble, because you're not going
to build your church on alittle pebble.
Brandon (49:17):
Right, he's a little ripple in a big pond, right,
right, so, yeah, and uh, yeah.
So we got to move on.
We got to move on.
No, we're doing just fine.
I want to show you a couple morebefore we leave off on this
episode, but we're going to showyou.
We're looking at some OldTestament sightings, if you will
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, of Nephilim.
I want to look at 2 Samuel Idon't know if you can get it 2
Samuel, chapter number 21.
And there is a record here.
Matt brought up just a littlebit ago, in Numbers 13, I think,
the sons of Anak, and I want toshow you 2 Samuel, chapter
(49:58):
number 21.
2 Samuel 15,.
This is the war with thePhilistines.
Remember, david killed a famousgiant, probably the most famous
giant in all the Bible and allof history.
His name's Goliath and he wasprobably on an 18-inch cubit,
would be about 9 feet 9 inchestall.
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But there's a record.
Remember, when David went andhe got the Bible says he got
five smooth stones, but he onlyused one.
And I've heard preachers saywhy did he do that?
Well, he found out Goliath hadfour brothers and he had one for
each of them.
Well, that's actually got somescriptural basis to it.
And this is where it comes from2 Samuel, chapter number 21,
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verse 15.
It says moreover, thePhilistines had yet war again
with Israel, and David went downand his servants with him, and
fought against the Philistines,and David waxed faint.
Now watch this.
And Ishbi-binob okay, that'swhat I handled there, right?
Ishbi-binob, which was of thesons of the giant, the weight of
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whose spear weighed 300 shekelsof brass in weight, he, being
girded with a new sword, thoughtto have slain David, but
Abishai, the son of Zeruah,secured him and smote the
Philistine and killed him.
Then the men of David swearingto him saying thou shalt go no
more out with us to battle, thatthou quench not the light of
Israel.
And it came to pass after thisthat there was again a battle
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with the Philistines at Gob.
Then Sibachai, the Hushethite,slew Sath S-A-P-H, which was of
the sons of the giant.
So here we have this guy.
Earlier, isn't it?
Ish-ba-binob?
Okay, son of the giant.
Here we have a guy named Sath,who's of the son of the giant.
Verse 19 says and there wasagain a battle in Gob with the
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Philistines, where Elhanan, theson of Jair Orgim, a
Bethlehemite, slew the brotherof Goliath, the Gittite, the
staff of whose spear was like aweaver's beam.
In other words, he had a battlein Gath, where was a man of
great stature Now watch thisthat had on every foot, six toes
, four and 20 in number, and healso was born to the giant.
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So these were six-fingered,six-toed giants, okay, every
hand, six fingers.
Every foot, six toes.
Okay, had Inbred Right.
I mean, yeah, okay, there yougo and notice this.
And when he defied Israel,jonathan, the son of Shimei, the
brother of David, slew him.
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These four, these guys, thesegiants, he's telling us in verse
15 to 22, these four were bornto the giant, to the giant in
Gath, and fell by the hand ofDavid and by the hand of his
servants.
Okay, so David Goliath did havefour brothers and fell by the
hand of David and by the hand ofhis servants.
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Okay, so David Goliath did havefour brothers, yeah, and his
dad was the giant from Gath.
Okay, by the way, what did Daviddo?
We'll just throw a tidbit inhere.
What did David do after hekilled Goliath?
He cut off Goliath's head.
Yeah, did you know that he cutoff Goliath's head?
Did you know that he cut offGoliath's head and he paraded it
around camp?
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Right, cut it off with his ownsword, with Goliath's sword
Picked up the head, and itcreated this huge revival of
enthusiasm in the camp.
Then the Bible says that Davidtook the head of Goliath and put
it on a spike outside the cityof Jerusalem.
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That's what it says.
Okay, outside the city ofJerusalem, he put that on a
spike.
That's what it says.
And your Bible says that.
Go read the story Then.
Matt (53:47):
But this is before on a spike.
That's what it says, and yourBible says that You'll read the
story Then.
Now, this is before.
The Israelites had possessionof.
Brandon (53:54):
Jerusalem, exactly, exactly, because it wasn't until
David became king that he tookJerusalem from the Jebusites who
occupied it, the Jebusitesbeing the Canaanite people that
were in the land.
They had never been removedfrom Jerusalem.
But David, when he isintroduced on the scene in 1
Samuel what is it?
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17,?
Kills Goliath and takes thehead to Jerusalem, which is the
Jebusite fortress town city,about 12 acres big right, and he
puts it outside of it.
And he said why would he dothat?
Okay, why would he do that?
Because it's not even anIsraelite city.
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Yet, not until he becomes king,years later, does he take that
city and make that the city ofDavid.
Okay, all right, jerusalem,okay, and God puts his name
there.
Yeah, and it was Salem beforethat Peace, right Jerusalem.
And so they put the yeah.
So why does he do that?
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Well, when we get to the NewTestament, one of the coolest
things you'll ever hear is thiswhen you get to the New
Testament, jesus is crucified atGolgotha.
Nobody knows and nobodyunderstands where the name
Golgotha came from.
Okay, but what does it mean?
It means the place of a skull,the place of a skull.
Whose skull?
(55:17):
Golgotha, goliath of Gath,gol-gath-a Gall Gath.
Uh yeah, I got chills again andI've known that for a long time
.
But every time I say it it'slike holy crap.
I'm sorry, that's just holycrap.
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Yep, this whole book fitstogether.
Matt (55:48):
The intricate details are insane.
Brandon (55:50):
Mind-blowing.
And David takes the skull ofGoliath as a prophetic, that as
a prophecy that he's going totake the city later on.
This is going to be ours.
I'm coming for you, but superprophetically, potentially the
very place where the Lord Jesus,right, the root of Jesse from
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David's line, would be crucifiedfor all of mankind.
That's phenomenal.
Hey, I don't know about you,but I want to say this the Bible
ain't boring.
No, the Bible is unbelievable,matt.
You know this, I know this, andwe sure hope you guys know this
out there.
And if you don't get excitedabout this kind of stuff, man,
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as the old preacher used to say,if that don't light your fire,
your wood's wet.
That's what he used to say.
I love that.
But hey, the Bible is so fullof this stuff, it is so full of
little nuggets that you can find.
And why are we teaching on theNephilim?
Why are we teaching?
Because it unlocks so much ofyour Bible.
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It is everything.
Yeah, it's everything.
The Genesis 3, seed war, genesis6, it is good versus evil.
It is the entirety of thehistory of mankind.
It is the good side versus thebad side.
It is Satan and his minionsversus God and what he's doing,
and the enemies that werewaiting on Israel to take the
promised land were thedescendants of the Nephilim
(57:18):
right.
It's the sons of the giants andthey're there.
Why?
Because it is good versus evil.
That is what when you boil itall down.
That's what it is.
That's what this book is allabout.
That is what when you boil itall down.
That's what it is.
That's what this book is allabout.
That's what you and I are in.
We are in that battle.
We are soldiers of the kingfighting that battle, taking and
advancing his kingdom.
To this day, we're only therefor this episode.
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But, my goodness, do you havesomething?
Matt (57:43):
else.
Yeah, no, we'll leave it there,but it's literally about the
kingdom of God, Absolutely, andthat Genesis 6 narrative and all
of the things that flow out ofthat.
Once you understand that,everything that flows out of it
just shows you that picture ofthe kingdom of God, so much
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fuller?
Brandon (58:05):
Absolutely.
I don't think you can.
Genesis 1 through Genesis 11,or the first part of 12, if you
don't understand those chaptersof Genesis and what's happening,
especially Genesis 6 and theflood story and the Tower of
Babel that we're headed to.
If you don't understand that,you're not going to understand
the rest of the Bible.
It's not going to make sense.
You're going to say why is Godso mean in the Old Testament?
(58:25):
Why is he killing those people?
Why is this happening and thathappening?
Matt (58:30):
Why does Christ have to die Absolutely and why does he
do some of the things that hedoes?
You know, why does thisprophecy being fulfilled matter
so much?
I mean, it's, yeah, it'sphenomenal.
Brandon (58:45):
Well, thank you guys for joining us on the Bible Says
Podcast, episode 15.
We are going to be right backwith episode number 16.
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We're on everything, so checkit out, and we are so thankful
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The Bible says the Bible sayspodcast.
Welcome back to the Bible Says Podcast, episode
number 15.
I am Brandon Matheson, I'm MattHunter and this is the Matt and
I were just talking about.
This is the much maligned,often censored, bible Says
Podcast.
If you don't know what we'retalking about, if you're a
YouTube subscriber and you triedto watch episode 13?
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14.
14, episode 14.
Apparently we triggered thepowers that be because we talked
about watch my speech here,certain jabs and the
repercussions of certain jabs,and I'll say that in air quotes,
if you can read between thelines.
So we have been censored alittle bit and I think we got a
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strike.
Matt (01:09):
We did get a strike.
Brandon (01:11):
I don't know what that means.
Is that like a jab, a strike,Something like that?
Yeah, Something like it.
So apparently free speech isdead.
As far as YouTube concerns, InAmerica.
You can't do it, but we alreadyknew that.
They're a bunch of leftistliberals, Anyway.
But who hey, guess what?
You can go to Spotify.
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You can go to Apple Podcast.
Matt (01:34):
And you can watch video on Apple Podcast and Spotify,
right, yeah, all the rest of theplatforms are just audio.
Brandon (01:43):
I'm curious how many of you guys leave us a comment,
how many of you listen ratherthan watch, or watch rather than
listen.
I'd be curious to know what thebreakdown is out there and
we're going to start today.
We got some questions to getinto.
We like your questions so youcan email us.
If you know us personally, youcan personally shoot us a
(02:05):
message.
Certainly you can go tothebiblesayspodcastcom and send
us messages on Facebook.
Matt (02:12):
Yep messages on Facebook, get a few of those.
Brandon (02:14):
Yep or leave a comment on a video.
We'll see those.
So, anyway, we are into a verydeep subject, the subject of the
Nephilim in Genesis, chapternumber 6.
And we have spent the lastcouple hours together getting
into that, and so we want tocarry that on.
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As we mentioned, this is a verytimely subject to get into
prophetically, and you'll seethat as we begin, you know,
continue to unpack these things,but, as always, we run
everything through the lens ofwhat does the Bible say.
So we want to ground everythingin Scripture, we don't want to
mislead anyone, and so we justwant to stay true to the Word of
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God.
And so, matt, that's about allI got as far as preliminaries.
What, what do you got before weget into it tonight?
Matt (03:09):
that's it.
Just make sure, drop us likeshares, follows, yeah, as much
as we can get.
The more we get, more commentswe get, guys, the more
distribution we get yeah, yeah,we're open to comments, negative
or positive, just, uh, comment,listen.
Brandon (03:24):
um, we're trying to educate on biblical topics and
biblical truths, and I believethat we'll be on this topic for
at least a little while, becauseit's just an overwhelming topic
.
To begin, you begin to scratchthe surface when you read the
first four verses in Genesis 6,and then from there it branches
out and it is a huge undertaking.
Matt (03:46):
Yeah, and everybody seems to like it too.
It's very stimulating.
Brandon (03:53):
It stimulates the brain .
Matt (03:55):
It's stimulating, but literally the last two episodes
have gotten more downloads thanall the previous episodes
combined.
Brandon (04:02):
Ah, really, I didn't know that.
I'm finding that out.
Let me say this there's somegreat resources and, along this
line, if you want to get intothem, I will drop a few names
here and refer you to some oftheir stuff, because there are
people who just focus on thisstuff and in the last 10 years,
(04:23):
several books that I've read, alot of podcasts that I've
listened to, teachings, thingslike that there is a guy who is
now in heaven, who passed nottoo long ago, who wrote a
phenomenal book called theUnseen Realm.
His name is Michael Heiser, drMichael Heiser, and if you have
not read his book, the UnseenRealm, I think he's also got a
book on angels and a book ondemons.
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He had a lot of lectures.
You can go on YouTube, michaelHeiser, and just listen for
hours.
Now I want to say this as you'veseen, in our prophetic talks,
our rapture talks, our pre-trib,mid-trib, post-trib debates,
not everybody's going to agree,okay, matt, and I don't agree on
(05:04):
everything.
Probably, when you pin it down,there are slight variations of
what we believe.
I don't totally endorseeverything Michael Heiser said,
you know, but the overarchingtrajectory of what he said, yeah
, it's been eye-opening to me.
So you have to put it in.
I just take everything with agrain of salt, run everything
through the Word of God and justpray on it and see what the
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Lord is showing, and then Iarrive at my conclusion.
Matt (05:31):
And he's also got a podcast out there, the Naked
Bible Podcast.
The Naked Bible Podcast yep,you don't want people to be
afraid of the Bible.
You're like this is in yourBible.
It's kind of what we're doing?
Brandon (05:42):
Not going to protect you from your Bible.
It's in your Bible.
That's kind of what we're doingNot going to protect you from
your Bible right.
Yeah Right, this is true, I willthrow out another guy.
There is a guy and, if youreally want to go down the
rabbit hole, he wrote a bookcalled Genesis 6 Conspiracy.
His name is Dr Gary Wayne.
I do not endorse.
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I do not know everything abouthim.
I have listened to him quite abit.
I own his book.
I think he recently came outwith a volume two that some
folks that I know have alreadyread or beginning to read.
When you read his books,they're about 800 pages long and
they read like an encyclopedia.
This guy, he's got moreknowledge in his little pinky
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than I've got in my whole body.
But I don't want to make anendorsement of his theology or
anything that he believes,necessarily.
I have listened to him quite abit and only found a couple
things that I would disagreewith him on.
So I don't want to give afull-threaded endorsement, but
these are some books that youcan get into.
Dr Gary Wayne.
You can listen to a lot ofpodcasts with him on YouTube and
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just search him or MichaelHeiser.
Matt (06:51):
Michael Heiser has actually two versions of the
Unseen Realm.
He's got one.
The Unseen Realm is the moreacademic version and then
there's an easier-to-readversion of it.
I think it's Supernatural orsomething like that.
Brandon (07:08):
Okay, yeah, I've heard him talk about it.
Matt (07:10):
Yeah, so it's less.
Brandon (07:12):
I have the Unseen Realm , so I'm not sure.
Matt (07:14):
Yeah, I've got the Unseen Realm too.
But the Unseen Realm, you'vegot footnotes, right?
You know, every chapter willhave 15 to 20 footnotes of where
he found his information, right.
Yeah, chapter will have 15 to20 footnotes of where he found
his information, right?
Brandon (07:27):
yeah, and you can chase all those trails down too with
the unseen realm.
And he was a Hebrew scholar,yes, and so these are scholarly
writings that he does, and verydocumented, very.
He does not read into theScripture where it's not, so
yeah.
So we give props to him andthanks for all his work.
And now he's with the Lord andwe are carrying on down here.
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But we want to basically visitwhere we've been over the last
couple episodes.
If you're just tuning in, weencourage you to go back to
episode number 13 and 14.
Listen to that as we delve intothis topic.
But a couple of big takeawaysfrom the last couple weeks
together, or last coupleepisodes, are that the sons of
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God mentioned in Genesis,chapter 6, where it says the
sons of God came into thedaughters of men, the sons of
God, there are angels.
Okay, we know that from doingin the first and second episode
of this series kind of delveinto that.
The B'nai Ha'Elohim.
If you go through that, everytime it's used, it's used of
angels.
It's kind of very weakarguments.
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If you don't side with angels,I mean it falls apart pretty
quick.
So we kind of came away withthat that the sons of God are
the angels.
There is documentation of thisin your Bible, in the Old
Testament, but also in the NewTestament.
There's a lot said about it.
So that's kind of the pointsthat we wanted to really drive
home is sons of God are angels.
And then the second fact thatwe have established the big
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takeaway over the last couplehours together are that these
sons of God committed a gravesin against God prior to the
flood.
Okay, and this was thereasoning and the backdrop, the
context, if you will, for theflood.
This was the straw that brokethe camel's back, that caused
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God to destroy the world bywater and by the flood.
So those are the big takeaways.
We've documented that We'vegone to a lot of scriptures, as
we've spent a couple hourstogether and showed you that we
did get some questions, and Iwant to address those and talk
through those.
I got an email not too long agoand there were several questions
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in it and I wanted to kind ofaddress those on here.
One of the first questions thatwas asked was the sons of God
took the daughters of men.
We know that it's angels takinghuman women and having sex with
them.
Did the women know the angels?
Okay, did they know that theywere going to be taken.
We kind of touched on that.
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Was it voluntary versusnon-voluntary, and did they know
the angels, or were they justlike minding their own business
one day and taken?
Uh, what do you think aboutthat, matt?
Matt (10:14):
well, we don't have clear context of that from the bible,
right, we do have a little bitof information, if you take into
account the book of enoch, thatthose watcher angels had jobs
to do.
Right, they were teaching,right um mankind about spiritual
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things.
Right, that was more or lesstheir job, and just showing them
how to live and how to dothings Right.
So is it possible that theyknew the angels Right?
Yes, it's possible, but wecan't say for sure one way or
the other.
Brandon (10:53):
We can't really definitively answer that one.
Matt (10:56):
Now the word that is used, that they were taken.
That does have implications, orcould have.
Yeah, it could have.
Brandon (11:07):
Could have implications that it means a snatching away
or a catching away Almost likean Old Testament rapture type
word.
Yeah, you know that they weretaken quickly.
Yeah, and it kind of makes youwonder if it was voluntary.
But we don't know.
I mean, we really we don't know, we really don't know, we don't
know.
But now the book of Enoch saysthat when the angels took the
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women, they took them.
The original guys took one wife.
It does point out that theytook a singular wife.
So maybe it was voluntary,maybe it wasn't, I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know.
The next question was there wasa little confusion from some
folks and I just want to.
Every time I've ever taught onthis, you know, biblically
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speaking, in church setting orthings like that, I always get
this there's confusion overbecause the Bible says you know
there were Nephilim in the earthin those days and also after
that.
So the Nephilim were theNephilim the sons of God or
who's the Nephilim?
You know?
That's the question.
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Was it the sons of God or wasthe offspring of the sons of God
?
That's the question.
So to answer that, we just wantto be real clear and try to
make this clean up.
You know any muddy picture thatyou might have.
The sons of God are the B'naiElohim.
They are the ones that rebelledand took women.
So you have a spirit beingcreated by God and a human being
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okay, and they create theNephilim.
Okay, the word Nephilim, whichcomes from Nephal, which means
fallen.
It is, the Nephilim are theoffspring of the B'nai Elohim.
So the Nephilim are not thesons of God.
The sons of God produce theNephilim by mating with the
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women.
Is that clear?
Is there a better way to saythat?
Just want to make sure thatnobody is kind of messed up on
that.
Matt (13:08):
Yeah, I think that's pretty much it.
Brandon (13:18):
Okay.
So, and let me say this aboutthe word Nephilim we, you know
how's the best way to say this.
It's a little deceiving becausein the King James, many times
the word Nephilim most of thetime, if not all the time I'll
have to look back is translatedgiant.
Okay, now the Nephilim.
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I prefer that word beingtranslated Nephilim, you know,
rather than giant, because giantwe think of giant, we think of
tall people.
Okay, that's what?
Yeah, tall, massive, whetherit's a nine-foot giant,
nine-foot-nine-eighths, likeGoliath or whatever, or bigger.
You know, we in our society, inour culture, we think of giant
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as being tall.
So when you say giant, you'reautomatically thinking tall.
And it's true that the Nephilimwere tall, but they were also
the Bible says, mighty men orgibberim, which is they're
tyrants, they're violent.
So there's so much more to themthan just being tall.
They were violent, they werecannibalistic.
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So there's so much more to themthan just being tall.
They were violent, they werecannibalistic, they were
extremely just, hateful, brute.
I'm searching for adjectiveshere, but that describes them.
So when you say there'sNephilim, the Nephilim can
encompass all of those wordsWere they tall, were they giant?
Yes, encompass all of thosewords.
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Were they tall, were theygiants?
Yes, they varied in height, uh,uh, depending on which
generation of them that you see.
Uh, but the the word nephilim.
We just need to make sure thatyou understand that there were
nephilim in the earth in thosedays and also after those days,
also after that, and thenephilim one of their
characteristics, where they weretall, but there's so much more
to them.
They were evil, brute,cannibalistic killers, murderers
(15:08):
.
Yeah.
Matt (15:09):
And we honestly don't know what they were capable of Right
.
Brandon (15:16):
There's a lot to them.
Matt (15:18):
You think about the offspring of an angel and a
human Right.
Okay, which one'scharacteristics did it take on
Right?
Brandon (15:30):
Did it tend toward more like mom or dad?
Matt (15:32):
Yeah, exactly.
Brandon (15:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, and you know there's a lotof things that we don't really
understand, that you think ofthese evil beings as, think of
it like first generation.
Okay, so these sons of God takethese wives and they produce
Nephilim, these sons and thesebecome the mighty men, the
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legendary men, if you will.
And the book of Enoch.
It says and we encourage you toread the book of Enoch, we're
going to get into that in alittle while why we encourage
you to do that.
But you see that they were veryviolent, they were the kings of
the earth ruling over, but itseems that perhaps early on they
guarded that bloodline, if youwill, and didn't water it down.
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So I me personally, I thinkbefore the flood, the Nephilim
were probably characteristicallydifferent than the Nephilim
after the flood, and what led tothe Rephaim and things like
that, and we'll get into it,don't let us confuse you yet.
But I think they begin to haveto, you know, intermarry
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themselves and I think that itcan dilute the bloodline, if you
will.
And I think that's why, if youreally want to go down the
conspiracy path, why a lot ofsecret societies and things like
that, protect the bloodline.
Matt (17:00):
Not only secret societies.
I mean, if you look at themonarchies of, most of Europe.
Brandon (17:08):
They guarded their bloodline.
Matt (17:09):
They guarded their bloodline and you can literally
chase most of those all the wayback to Constantine.
Nearly every monarchy in Europeover the last several hundred
years can trace its lineages toConstantine.
Right, I've heard that.
No, I've looked at it.
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I've looked at it, I've runthrough it.
Brandon (17:31):
Yeah, it's fascinating.
So there's this protection ofthe bloodline, no doubt, and is
that interwoven with thebiblical narrative of the
Nephilim Guys?
Suffice it to say this we'resitting here talking and
rambling about this because it'sso easy to put the car in park
and just sit there and talkabout different facets and
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different variations ofquestions, because you'll answer
10 questions and you'll have 20, because it just branches off.
It's such a huge topic.
So we're trying to make itclear, trying to make it
understandable.
Now, the third question thatwe've gotten and I want to
clarify for folks is this therewere giants in the earth in
those days and also after that.
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Okay, what does that mean?
All right, and let's just lookat it real quick.
Genesis, chapter 6.
Matt chime in on what you thinkabout that.
There were giants in the earthin those days and also after
that.
You know the way that Englishreads.
It means that in those days ofthese sons of God taking the
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daughters of men, which the bookof Enoch says happened in the
days of Jared, okay, so you're afew hundred years before the
flood in those days and alsoafter that.
And so what does that afterthat mean?
Does it mean after that time,but before the flood, or does it
mean after that time, after theflood?
Matt (18:59):
I think it means after the flood, that, and there's
several different theories onbecause.
Why do you think it means afterthe flood and there's several
different theories on because?
Brandon (19:08):
Why do you think it means after the flood?
Matt (19:10):
Okay, so you also have Anak Gog, or Og yeah, the
Rephaim, I mean you have loadsof people who seem to trace
their lineage back to some sortof Nephilim or child of the gods
(19:32):
.
Child of the gods or somethinglike that.
Brandon (19:34):
So you're saying that you think that Genesis 6, when
it says there were giants in theearth in those days and also
after that, you think it refersto before the flood and after
the flood?
Yeah, and the reason, yourevidence for that is so many
Nephilim show up after the flood.
Yeah, I mean in simple terms.
Matt (19:52):
And whether it's you know the genetic line from you know
one of Noah's daughter-in-lawsor something like that.
Brandon (20:00):
Well, let's get into some of those possibilities.
You know what Matt's alludingto.
There is okay.
So you have all right.
So you have the sons of God.
Take the daughters of men.
They create these Nephilim.
God says I'm going to destroythe earth.
Mankind is, you know,completely wicked.
(20:20):
Every imagination is only evil,continually all this kind of
stuff.
But Noah found grace in theeyes of the Lord.
He was perfect in hisgenerations.
I think we got into that lasttime.
He was perfect in hisgenerations or his genealogy.
So Noah and eight, seven otherpeople eight total are saved by
getting on the ark.
So how do Nephilim show upbefore the flood and after the
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flood?
How is it in those days andalso after that?
There's some theories on it.
There's three or four leadingtheories of how that happened,
and I've been asked thisquestion and maybe you've been
wondering this.
So let's just kind of rattleoff two, three, four of them
that we know of the big ones.
What do people think?
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How did the Nephilim bloodlinego, get to the other side of the
flood?
Matt (21:11):
Well, the one is the genetics.
Okay, so one of I can'tremember which son, it is off
the top of my head, but one ofNoah's sons married a woman who
had Nephilim bloodline.
That's a theory.
That's a theory.
That's a theory.
Brandon (21:25):
Okay, so a theory is that Noah, who had Sham, ham and
Japheth, his three sons, so theeight people that were saved
were Noah and his wife, mrs Noah, right, yeah, and they had Sham
, ham and Japheth and theirthree wives Three wives.
The Bible does not say thatNoah's daughters-in-law were
pure blood.
It says Noah was perfect in hisgenerations.
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It doesn't say even his kids'generations.
It says in his generations.
All right, so you're sayingthat's a theory and I've heard
that that is a theory.
So basically, you would saycontaminated blood line was on
the ark.
That's one option that peoplebelieve.
Matt (22:05):
That's not necessarily what I subscribe to Me either,
because there's some others it'spossible, but yeah, there would
have to be a lot of other crazystuff going on too.
Brandon (22:19):
So the daughter-in-law theory is one I've heard of
another, one kind of the theyhid in the earth theory.
Okay, there is a theory thatsays that the Nephilim hid
somewhere in the earth from theflood.
And people will say, well, youknow, it doesn't say that God
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destroyed.
It says that God destroyedeverything that he created, but
he didn't create the Nephilim.
So people will say, well, hedidn't create them.
You know, they were aperversion of the sons of God
and the daughters of men, and somaybe they hid somewhere.
And I've even heard that maybetheir dads, who are the sons of
God, who had access to the earthand the heavens, took them off
(23:02):
the earth and hid them somewherefrom the wrath of God.
Who had access to the earth andthe heavens took them off the
earth and hid them somewherefrom the wrath of God.
So somehow they hid from thewrath of God is a theory that is
out there.
I don't know that that's thebest one, but that's out there.
Matt (23:18):
I don't like that one.
You don't like that one.
I kind of feel like the sons ofGod had been chained up Right.
Brandon (23:25):
Well, let me give you probably the one that I would
subscribe to.
If you said, brandon, if youhad $1,000 to bet on how the
Nephilim got on the other sideof the flood, what would you say
?
And I would say this that therewere 200 angels who rebelled
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prior to the flood.
Okay, the book of Enoch sayscame down on Mount Hermon and
committed this act prior to theflood.
Okay, I think it's the mostlogical is that other angels,
okay, did it again after theflood, rebelled and did it again
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.
And I don't think that'scompletely without biblical
support.
And I want to read you Jude.
Jude only has one chapter, 25verses, so let me read you Jude,
verse number six.
It says and the angels whichkept not their first estate but
left their own habitation.
We talked about this.
They left their own habit, theykept not their first estate but
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left their own habitation.
That is the word Orcuterion.
It's only used two times in theNew Testament and it is used
here of angels trading in theirOrcutarian.
And it says that in Corinthians, that we desire to be clothed
as Christians with our heavenlyOrcutarian and it just simply
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means our residence, ourspiritual body.
Okay, it is the housing for thespiritual body.
So the angels that kept nottheir first estate but left
their own, orchid terrian.
They left their own habitationor their own residence, their
body.
He has reserved an everlastingchange under darkness, under the
judgment of the great day.
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So these angels rebelled, theytraded in their body, they left
that body, and we talked aboutthat last time.
The New Testament warns us whenyou're entertaining a stranger,
you could be talking to anangel because they look human.
They can trade in and have ahuman-looking body, okay, but
then I want you to see this.
That's Jude, verse 6.
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Read verse 7.
It says this even as in theKing James, yeah, even as Sodom
and Gomorrah.
Now, the word even as there andI've got it written in the
margin of my Bible it means inlike manner.
Yeah, so these angels that keptnot their first estate but left
their own habitation, he hathreserved an everlasting change
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under darkness, under thejudgment of the great day, in
like manner as Sodom andGomorrah".
In like manner as Sodom andGomorrah and the cities about
them, in like manner, givingthemselves over to notice this
fornication.
What do we think of when wethink about Sodom and Gomorrah?
We think about likehomosexuality, okay, okay, yeah,
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we'll see if YouTube censorsthis right.
So we're.
You know that's what you thinkabout men with men, women with
women sexually.
Okay, we think, oh, that's thebig bad sin and that is a bad
sin.
That is a sin, okay, but itsays that in a light manner,
connecting the sex with angelsto Sodom and Gomorrah, and it
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says they gave themselves overto fornication and going after.
Notice this in your Bible.
Verse seven strange flesh,strange flesh.
Now, that's a weird way, youknow.
I don't know if you've everdated like a strange woman or
something like that before yougot married, but I don't think
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that's what the Bible talksabout.
Going after strange flesh, likesome weird girl you dated.
What does it mean?
It connects it to the angels ofverse 6, like as, and verse 8
even connects it.
It says likewise Also, thesefilthy dreamers defile the flesh
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, despise dominion and speakevil of dignities.
And verse 9 says yet Michael thearchangel.
It connects it to Michael notspeaking evil of Satan in
disputing Moses' body.
There is a direct connection inverse 6, 7, 8, and 9 to angels
and the sin of the Nephilim, orthe sin of the sons of God in
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Genesis 6, and a connection toSodom and Gomorrah.
Big takeaway is there was someweird stuff going on in Sodom
and Gomorrah and that's afterthe flood.
What were they doing?
They were going after strangeflesh.
They were having sexualrelations with angels.
I'll say it in Sodom andGomorrah.
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And what happened to them?
They were burnt up with fireand brimstone.
Matt (28:13):
It appears over a couple times in the Bible that anytime
God just utterly destroyssomething, it's always connected
to, it's always connected to,it's always connected to angels
and Nephilim, yep, always,always.
If he tells you, know, we'llprobably get into it with you.
Know the Exodus story whenJoshua was going into the
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promised land, right, he tellshim to destroy.
Right, these people, groups.
And so many people have aproblem with that.
Brandon (28:43):
Why is your God, Matt, so angry and mean and wants to
destroy?
Matt (28:47):
Why an entire race off the ?
Brandon (28:49):
earth.
Hebrew words utterly destroy.
Yeah, completely.
Matt (28:52):
Men, women, boys, girls, kids, dogs everybody, everybody,
everything, destroy everythingthat they've touched.
Brandon (28:59):
Why, why, Because everything destroy everything
that they've.
Why why?
Because they were not fullyhuman.
Human, that's the answer.
That's weird, isn't it?
I mean, the first time I heardthat, guys, I it weirded me out.
I was like no way.
But then when you start to lookat it, see sodom and gomorrah.
Why was sodom and gomorrah?
Why does it stand out?
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What did they do that was sobad to be completely wiped off
the face of the earth?
It wasn't just homosexuality no, because half the US would be
gone Absolutely.
It wasn't just, it wasn't justlike heterosexual sin.
It wasn't.
It was they were going afterstrange flesh.
In fact, let's look at a verseor two Genesis 19.
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Let's look at that because itwas on the list to look at
anyway.
It's Old Testament account ofSodom and Gomorrah.
Look at Genesis 19, versenumber five.
So Lot is a Christian.
He is, he's saved, he's abeliever in the Lord the Bible.
In the New Testament, it sayshe is righteous, he's a believer
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in the Lord the Bible.
In the New Testament, it sayshe is righteous.
That's what it says.
So he's in Sodom, though, okay.
And the Bible says in the NewTestament that every day it
vexed his righteous soul.
And I often think about that,because when a Christian gets
involved in sin and is in aplace where they should not be,
they are never at peace.
The wicked never have peace,okay, and when you sin you never
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have that peace.
That passes all understandingand so it vexed Lot's righteous
soul.
So he's living in Sodom, he hashis wife and he has two girls,
and those two girls are married,okay, and then married or about
to be married, and it appearsthat Lot, if you read the
beginning of verse number one ofchapter 19, that Lot sat in the
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gate of Sodom, which means it'skind of like code talk, that he
was in leadership, maybe evenin governmental leadership,
because when you said thatsomeone sat in the gate, that's
where all the local politicalbusiness was done the business,
the business.
So he could have been Mayor LotI mean, we don't know or
councilman, or on the schoolboard, we don't know.
All right, okay.
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But so Lot is there and God isgoing to destroy Sodom and
Gomorrah for the sin that theyhave.
But God warns Lot, okay, andhe's like I'm not going to
destroy it until Lot and hisfamily get out of there.
And you ask yourself, well, whywouldn't he destroy Sodom and
Gomorrah until then, because Lotwas righteous.
Okay, god does not put hiswrath on the righteous.
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This is a Old Testamentevidence for a pre-trib rapture.
I think, okay, god is not goingto pour his wrath out, and I
will even say this, or even amid-trib, if you do not begin
the wrath of God until themiddle of the tribulation.
I don't want to go down thatrabbit hole, but that's why the
pre-rathers and the mid-tribbersand the pre-tribbers that's
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where they draw the wrath of Godat different locations.
Because of stories like this.
God doesn't pour his wrath outupon his own people.
So God sends angels to warn Lotand his family to get the heck
out, okay.
And in verse number five it saysthat these angels come in and
the wicked men of the city, okay, watch this.
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And they called unto Lot, thesewicked men, and said unto them
where are the men which cameinto thee this night?
Bring them out unto us that wemay know them.
So the men of the city see theangels of God come into Lot and
to his house and they knock onthe door, beat on the door and
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they demand that Lot give themthese angels, these men, that
they can have sex with them.
It says that we may know them.
That is in the biblical sense,okay, the King James Version
writes it.
So you say it in not such anuncouth way.
And Lot went out at the doorunder them and shut the door
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after him.
So he kind of slips out on hisfront porch right, shuts the
door behind him and he says thisand this is such despicable
actions by Lot.
And he said I pray you,brethren, do not so wickedly.
Behold, now I have twodaughters which have not known
man.
So he has virgin daughters.
Okay, so they.
But we find out later that theyhave guys that they're about to
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marry.
That won't okay, but they'revirgins.
They've never known a man.
Let me, I pray you, bring themout unto you and do ye to them,
as is good in your eyes, onlyunto these men.
These angels do nothing For.
Therefore came they under theshadow of my roof.
So he offers them his owndaughters in this despicable act
which is this is a gross story,okay.
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And then all the actions thathappen later with Lot and his
daughters and impregnating hisown daughters.
I mean, it's despicable, it's anasty story.
But back up and look at thecontext.
What do you have?
You have Sodom and Gomorrah,you have angels coming to warn
Lot and you have men wicked menwanting to have sexual relations
with the angels.
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Okay, there again is anothersexual-related incident with
angels and men.
So this goes back to our point.
The Nephilim show up after theflood.
Why?
Probably because the angelswere still up to their same
shenanigans of mating with humanbeings.
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Now an astute listener is goingto point out the men of the
city wanted to have sex with him.
Men and men couldn't reproduce.
Well, in either this episode ornext episode, we're going to
read you excerpts of the book ofEnoch and it's going to show
you that they not only defilethemselves with women, but they
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defile themselves with all flesh.
Yeah, okay, that is part of thedebaucherous actions of the
Nephilim, who were created bythese sons of God.
Okay, so that's that's.
It's crazy All these the I meanwe're just answering the
questions that we've gotten sofar, which are just unbelievable
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.
It's crazy.
Why don't we, matt?
Why don't we look at somethings, some other examples in
the Old Testament of Nephilimshowing up?
Let's look at some of those.
I know we've got some of those,unless you have anything to add
any different than that.
Matt (35:27):
No, I don't think so.
That'd be cool, all right.
So if you have a, Bible.
Brandon (35:32):
we'll read out a couple scriptures and you can go to
them with us.
Matt is going to look upNumbers 13, verse 32 and 33, and
I already showed you Genesis 19.
And then we're going to look upNumbers 13, verse 32 and 33.
And I already showed youGenesis 19.
And then we're going to look atthree or four of these.
They're kind of fascinatingNumbers 13, verse 32.
Matt (35:50):
Okay, and they brought up an evil report of the land which
they had searched under thechildren of Israel, saying the
land through which we have goneto search it is a land that
eateth up the inhabitantsthereof and all the people that
we saw in it are men of greatstature.
And there we saw the giants,the sons of Anak, which come of
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the giants, and we were in ourown sight as grasshoppers, and
so were we in their sight.
Brandon (36:21):
Okay, so the context of this story is Kadesh Barnea.
Okay, moses is sending in spiesto spy out the land.
Okay, to bring him a reportback and see if we can take the
land.
Okay, this is like fresh out ofEgypt, right?
And this is the incident thatupsets God.
And he does not allow them togo into the promised land
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because they backpedal and areafraid to go in.
Why are they afraid to go in,matt?
Look at some of those key wordsagain.
Because of who?
Matt (36:51):
There are men of great stature.
We saw the giants.
Brandon (36:57):
And that word there.
Is that the word Nephilim or isthat the word Rephaim?
Do you know?
Matt (37:04):
I think that's Rephaim.
What's the scripture.
I'll look it up real quick 13,numbers, 13, 32.
Brandon (37:12):
I think that one's the last word.
Okay, numbers 13, 32.
It is the word.
Well, I'm looking when does itsay it?
And they brought up anyonebefore.
Matt (37:32):
Men of great stature is the end of 32.
And then 33.
Brandon (37:37):
There we saw the giants .
That is the word Nephilim.
Yep, that is the word NephilimFrom the Nephilim.
Yep, that is the word Nephilim.
Men of great stature is notOkay.
So Nephilim is there weregiants, the sons of Anak, so it
is the word Nephilim there, okay, so there you have in the
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promised land.
Okay, now think about this.
Okay, there you have in thepromised land.
Okay, now think about this.
Okay, so you have Israel, who'sbeen 400 years in slavery in
Egypt.
They used to live here.
This is where Abraham was fromright in that area.
Abraham, isaac and Jacob, theygo down, go ahead.
Matt (38:15):
Something interesting that just hit me with that verse Go
ahead.
We were asking if they werebefore and after the flood.
So it literally says they come.
The sons of Anak come of thegiants.
Brandon (38:31):
That is true.
So you have?
Yeah, I'm going to mark thatdown in my Bible.
Matt (38:41):
We're making notes as we go.
Yep when?
Brandon (38:43):
are we at Numbers 13?
Matt (38:45):
Yeah, number 13.
You guys don't mind, do you?
Hey, this is a conversation,yeah.
Brandon (38:48):
We want it to be a conversation.
Numbers 13, when you learnsomething, you don't know it all
, so write it down.
Numbers 13, 33, and there wesaw the giants, the sons of Anak
, which come of Okay Matt, whatdoes that say?
In like the ESV, I'm curious ofthe giants.
Let me switch over, becausesome of those words are italics
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in the King James here in mine,which means that they're kind of
making the sentence make sense.
Matt (39:21):
Okay.
Brandon (39:23):
Just verse 33.
Matt (39:24):
There we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak who come from
the Nephilim.
Well, there you go, so that'seven clearer.
Dang right.
Okay, there's our verse theNephilim after the flood Okay.
Brandon (39:37):
No, I mean yeah.
This is why there's severalpieces of evidence that point
you to.
This is what theologians onthis like.
If you read Heiser and you readGary Wayne and these guys,
they'll say a second incursion.
That's what they'll, yeah,which means that the first
incursion was before the floodin the days of Jared, genesis 6.
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And then there's second andmultiple incursions.
Multiple incursions or secondincursion is kind of what they
do.
So I want to read you we'relooking at Old Testament
accounts of Nephilim.
We just looked one in Numbers13.
I want to look at Deuteronomy,chapter number 3, and I want you
to see this verse, number 11,.
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Okay, deuteronomy 3, 11 saysfor only Og, king of Bashan,
remained of the notice.
This, the remnant of the giants.
Okay, so he remained of theremnant of the giants.
Now, this is interesting.
Watch this.
Behold, his bedstead was abedstead of iron.
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Behold, his bedstead was abedstead of iron, is it not?
In Rabath of the children ofAmmon?
Nine cubits was the lengththereof and four cubits the
breadth of it, after the cubitof a man, okay, so here is Og,
king of Bashan.
And if you want to know whereBashan is, it is in northern
Israel, up next to the Caesarea,philippi area, all that kind of
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stuff.
Matt, we were over there a yearor so ago.
This is the area of Bashan,okay, and there was a king over
the area of Bashan.
His name was Og, okay, now thisverse says that he had a bed
that was made of iron.
Now think about that.
So this is a big dude, allright, that was made of iron.
Now think about that.
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So this is a big dude, allright, his bed is made of iron,
probably because he's a brutebeast who weighs a ton, right,
all right.
And it says that it is kept.
His bed is kept in Rabath andAmmon.
Well, when they take thepromised land, they kill this
guy, okay, they kill this Og,king of Bashan.
Okay, and notice what it sayshere.
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It tells us how long his bedwas.
It says that it was nine cubits.
Okay, was the length thereofand four cubits the breadth
thereof, okay.
Now, I don't know about you Ifyou guys can see, just get out a
calculator, a cubit when yousee it in the bible, um is is
argued over, but most standard,you know, interpretations say
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that from the tip of your elbowto your middle finger.
So the length from your elbow toyour middle finger is about 18
inches, okay.
So that's what they called acubit.
Now they're, they had a royalcubit that would get to 20
inches, maybe even 21 or 22inches, but the standard.
You know, you use this whenyou're talking about the arc and
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how big it was and stuff likethat.
But let's just say it's 18inches, okay.
So 18 inches times nine ofthose okay is how big this guy's
bed is.
That's 162 inches, if you, ifyou divide it by 12, his bed,
are you ready?
This is bigger than aCalifornia King, okay.
It's 13 and a half feet long,okay, and it's four cubits wide,
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which is 72 inches, which issix feet wide.
Just for him to lay down on, hehad to have six foot of space
by 13 1⁄2.
That's how big this Joker was.
Okay, that's crazy, it'sabsolutely crazy.
It is.
I mean, it's just absolutelycrazy.
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Now let me say this.
I mean it's just it'sabsolutely crazy.
Now let me say this A lot ofthese Nephilim we mentioned to
you, they're, you know, whenthey died, their spirits are the
unclean spirits.
Is what the book of Enoch says,that is, the demons or the
unclean spirits.
The reason I want to mentionthis is the Psalm.
Chapter 22 is a Psalmprophesying Jesus being
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crucified on a cross and itprophesies, a thousand years
before it happens, the wordsthat he would say.
The chapter starts with my God,my God, why hast thou forsaken
me?
And it's a view of Jesus whathe's seeing hanging on the cross
.
And he says in that prophecy,in Psalm 22, he says many bulls
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of Bashan have compassed meabout.
So, as Jesus looked out fromthe cross, he sees spiritual
beings who are surrounding him,who are in the realm that we
can't see.
He sees these evil guys allaround the cross.
That gives me chills, thinkingabout it.
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And what area are they from?
Bashan, and Bashan is where Ogwas king of and it's where many
of the giants were.
And, by the way, it is the areawhere Caesarea Philippi is.
And, matt, you know thisbecause I got a chance to preach
this at Caesarea Philippi.
Okay, I got to talk about thisstuff.
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Okay, caesarea Philippi is thisarea where a lot of these
giants who, when they're dead,they are confined to the earth
and they are the evil spirits.
Jesus goes to Caesarea Philippiapproximately about 10 days or
so before his death and he sayshe makes a bold declaration.
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He asked his disciples who domen say that I am?
And they say well, some sayyou're this guy and this guy.
And he goes who do you say thatI am?
And Peter makes hisproclamation that made him Pope,
remember.
And he says he goes I'm teasingthere, okay.
So Peter says thou art Christ?
Okay, and he makes hisdeclaration that Christ is the
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son of the living God.
And then Jesus says flesh andblood have not revealed this to
you, but my father, which is inheaven.
And what does he say?
He says thou art Peter, andupon this rock I will build my
church.
Okay.
Now our Catholic friends saythat he's talking about he's
going to build the church onPeter, and this is where Peter
becomes a pope.
Thus my cynicism, becausethat's not what he's talking
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about.
At Caesarea Philippi, there is amountain Get this.
It is the foot of the mountainof Hermon, okay, and it is a
rock mountain, okay, huge rock.
Yes, it's called CaesareaPhilippi or in bygone eras it's
been called Panaeus.
They worship the god Pan, whichis where, yes, where we get
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Peter Pan and all that.
I mean Disney knows all aboutthis, okay, but at Caesarea
Philippi, there is a cave there,and I've seen it with our own
eyes.
We've been there.
We're taking pictures in frontof it.
It is called the Gate of Hell,okay, and the whole mountain's a
rock.
So Jesus is saying thou artPeter, and upon this rock and
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he's talking not to Peter, Idon't even think he's talking
about himself, he's talkingabout the mountain.
And he says upon this rock, Iwill build my church, and the
gates of hell, referencing thatplace, will not be able to
prevent my church.
Okay, so what is he doing?
He is saying in the living roomof the spirit beings evil
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spirits that are there I ambuilding my church and there's
nothing you can do about it.
You can't stop it, you can'thold it back.
And he basically goes toCaesarea Philippi, picks a fight
and then, just a few days later, is killed.
And the New Testament I'll bedone, and let you chime in here
the New Testament says that he'skilled just a few days later.
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But it says if theprincipalities and the powers
that rule the earth had known,they would not have killed the
Son of God, not have known whatthat killing him would bring
about their demise.
Jesus went and picked a fightwith them and it's strategic
that he did it right there.
And that is the area and I justwant to throw this in of Bashan
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.
Matt (47:56):
Yeah, it's the area of Bashan and you literally have to
understand the language there,the Greek language, there the
Greek, because Peter means rock,but the word used for Peter
means a little pebble that'seasily dislodged.
Brandon (48:16):
And that's why most people who are not of the
Catholic persuasion will besaying well, he wasn't talking
about Peter the little rock.
He's talking about him.
I am the rock.
You know the rock that led him.
I think he's talking about themountain.
That's what I've believed for along time.
I am the rock.
You know the rock that led himin the.
You know, I think he's talkingabout the mountain.
Yeah, that's what I've believedfor a long time, and it makes
sense, considering where he'sstanding.
Matt (48:32):
At the gate of hell, and the gate of hell is right there.
Right, they've been havingpagan worship right there.
Brandon (48:42):
Right.
Matt (48:43):
And considering he's standing in front of this rock
at Caesarea Philippi Right, andconsidering he's standing in
front of this rock at Caesarea,philippi.
Right.
What else would he be talkingabout?
Brandon (48:53):
You've got to put it in context and you've got to put
it in the scenery of the day.
There he is.
Matt (48:59):
He's like he literally told Peter that you're a little
pebble and I'm building mychurch on this rock, not Peter's
profession of faith, right,yeah, no, I think otherwise you
wouldn't call him a littlepebble, because you're not going
to build your church on alittle pebble.
Brandon (49:17):
Right, he's a little ripple in a big pond, right,
right, so, yeah, and uh, yeah.
So we got to move on.
We got to move on.
No, we're doing just fine.
I want to show you a couple morebefore we leave off on this
episode, but we're going to showyou.
We're looking at some OldTestament sightings, if you will
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, of Nephilim.
I want to look at 2 Samuel Idon't know if you can get it 2
Samuel, chapter number 21.
And there is a record here.
Matt brought up just a littlebit ago, in Numbers 13, I think,
the sons of Anak, and I want toshow you 2 Samuel, chapter
(49:58):
number 21.
2 Samuel 15,.
This is the war with thePhilistines.
Remember, david killed a famousgiant, probably the most famous
giant in all the Bible and allof history.
His name's Goliath and he wasprobably on an 18-inch cubit,
would be about 9 feet 9 inchestall.
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But there's a record.
Remember, when David went andhe got the Bible says he got
five smooth stones, but he onlyused one.
And I've heard preachers saywhy did he do that?
Well, he found out Goliath hadfour brothers and he had one for
each of them.
Well, that's actually got somescriptural basis to it.
And this is where it comes from2 Samuel, chapter number 21,
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verse 15.
It says moreover, thePhilistines had yet war again
with Israel, and David went downand his servants with him, and
fought against the Philistines,and David waxed faint.
Now watch this.
And Ishbi-binob okay, that'swhat I handled there, right?
Ishbi-binob, which was of thesons of the giant, the weight of
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whose spear weighed 300 shekelsof brass in weight, he, being
girded with a new sword, thoughtto have slain David, but
Abishai, the son of Zeruah,secured him and smote the
Philistine and killed him.
Then the men of David swearingto him saying thou shalt go no
more out with us to battle, thatthou quench not the light of
Israel.
And it came to pass after thisthat there was again a battle
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with the Philistines at Gob.
Then Sibachai, the Hushethite,slew Sath S-A-P-H, which was of
the sons of the giant.
So here we have this guy.
Earlier, isn't it?
Ish-ba-binob?
Okay, son of the giant.
Here we have a guy named Sath,who's of the son of the giant.
Verse 19 says and there wasagain a battle in Gob with the
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Philistines, where Elhanan, theson of Jair Orgim, a
Bethlehemite, slew the brotherof Goliath, the Gittite, the
staff of whose spear was like aweaver's beam.
In other words, he had a battlein Gath, where was a man of
great stature Now watch thisthat had on every foot, six toes
, four and 20 in number, and healso was born to the giant.
(52:08):
So these were six-fingered,six-toed giants, okay, every
hand, six fingers.
Every foot, six toes.
Okay, had Inbred Right.
I mean, yeah, okay, there yougo and notice this.
And when he defied Israel,jonathan, the son of Shimei, the
brother of David, slew him.
(52:29):
These four, these guys, thesegiants, he's telling us in verse
15 to 22, these four were bornto the giant, to the giant in
Gath, and fell by the hand ofDavid and by the hand of his
servants.
Okay, so David Goliath did havefour brothers and fell by the
hand of David and by the hand ofhis servants.
(52:50):
Okay, so David Goliath did havefour brothers, yeah, and his
dad was the giant from Gath.
Okay, by the way, what did Daviddo?
We'll just throw a tidbit inhere.
What did David do after hekilled Goliath?
He cut off Goliath's head.
Yeah, did you know that he cutoff Goliath's head?
Did you know that he cut offGoliath's head and he paraded it
around camp?
(53:11):
Right, cut it off with his ownsword, with Goliath's sword
Picked up the head, and itcreated this huge revival of
enthusiasm in the camp.
Then the Bible says that Davidtook the head of Goliath and put
it on a spike outside the cityof Jerusalem.
(53:36):
That's what it says.
Okay, outside the city ofJerusalem, he put that on a
spike.
That's what it says.
And your Bible says that.
Go read the story Then.
Matt (53:47):
But this is before on a spike.
That's what it says, and yourBible says that You'll read the
story Then.
Now, this is before.
The Israelites had possessionof.
Brandon (53:54):
Jerusalem, exactly, exactly, because it wasn't until
David became king that he tookJerusalem from the Jebusites who
occupied it, the Jebusitesbeing the Canaanite people that
were in the land.
They had never been removedfrom Jerusalem.
But David, when he isintroduced on the scene in 1
Samuel what is it?
(54:14):
17,?
Kills Goliath and takes thehead to Jerusalem, which is the
Jebusite fortress town city,about 12 acres big right, and he
puts it outside of it.
And he said why would he dothat?
Okay, why would he do that?
Because it's not even anIsraelite city.
(54:34):
Yet, not until he becomes king,years later, does he take that
city and make that the city ofDavid.
Okay, all right, jerusalem,okay, and God puts his name
there.
Yeah, and it was Salem beforethat Peace, right Jerusalem.
And so they put the yeah.
So why does he do that?
(54:55):
Well, when we get to the NewTestament, one of the coolest
things you'll ever hear is thiswhen you get to the New
Testament, jesus is crucified atGolgotha.
Nobody knows and nobodyunderstands where the name
Golgotha came from.
Okay, but what does it mean?
It means the place of a skull,the place of a skull.
Whose skull?
(55:17):
Golgotha, goliath of Gath,gol-gath-a Gall Gath.
Uh yeah, I got chills again andI've known that for a long time
.
But every time I say it it'slike holy crap.
I'm sorry, that's just holycrap.
(55:42):
Yep, this whole book fitstogether.
Matt (55:48):
The intricate details are insane.
Brandon (55:50):
Mind-blowing.
And David takes the skull ofGoliath as a prophetic, that as
a prophecy that he's going totake the city later on.
This is going to be ours.
I'm coming for you, but superprophetically, potentially the
very place where the Lord Jesus,right, the root of Jesse from
(56:13):
David's line, would be crucifiedfor all of mankind.
That's phenomenal.
Hey, I don't know about you,but I want to say this the Bible
ain't boring.
No, the Bible is unbelievable,matt.
You know this, I know this, andwe sure hope you guys know this
out there.
And if you don't get excitedabout this kind of stuff, man,
(56:34):
as the old preacher used to say,if that don't light your fire,
your wood's wet.
That's what he used to say.
I love that.
But hey, the Bible is so fullof this stuff, it is so full of
little nuggets that you can find.
And why are we teaching on theNephilim?
Why are we teaching?
Because it unlocks so much ofyour Bible.
(56:55):
It is everything.
Yeah, it's everything.
The Genesis 3, seed war, genesis6, it is good versus evil.
It is the entirety of thehistory of mankind.
It is the good side versus thebad side.
It is Satan and his minionsversus God and what he's doing,
and the enemies that werewaiting on Israel to take the
promised land were thedescendants of the Nephilim
(57:18):
right.
It's the sons of the giants andthey're there.
Why?
Because it is good versus evil.
That is what when you boil itall down.
That's what it is.
That's what this book is allabout.
That is what when you boil itall down.
That's what it is.
That's what this book is allabout.
That's what you and I are in.
We are in that battle.
We are soldiers of the kingfighting that battle, taking and
advancing his kingdom.
To this day, we're only therefor this episode.
(57:41):
But, my goodness, do you havesomething?
Matt (57:43):
else.
Yeah, no, we'll leave it there,but it's literally about the
kingdom of God, Absolutely, andthat Genesis 6 narrative and all
of the things that flow out ofthat.
Once you understand that,everything that flows out of it
just shows you that picture ofthe kingdom of God, so much
(58:04):
fuller?
Brandon (58:05):
Absolutely.
I don't think you can.
Genesis 1 through Genesis 11,or the first part of 12, if you
don't understand those chaptersof Genesis and what's happening,
especially Genesis 6 and theflood story and the Tower of
Babel that we're headed to.
If you don't understand that,you're not going to understand
the rest of the Bible.
It's not going to make sense.
You're going to say why is Godso mean in the Old Testament?
(58:25):
Why is he killing those people?
Why is this happening and thathappening?
Matt (58:30):
Why does Christ have to die Absolutely and why does he
do some of the things that hedoes?
You know, why does thisprophecy being fulfilled matter
so much?
I mean, it's, yeah, it'sphenomenal.
Brandon (58:45):
Well, thank you guys for joining us on the Bible Says
Podcast, episode 15.
We are going to be right backwith episode number 16.
Continue on the conversation asalways.
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(59:07):
I think.
We're on everything, so checkit out, and we are so thankful
for you guys tuning in today andwe'll see you next time.
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