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Brandon (00:09):
What does the Bible say
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The Bible says.
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All right, welcome back to theBible Says Podcast.
This is episode number 16 ofthe Bible Says Podcast.
I'm Brandon Matheson, I'm MattHunter and we are your team,
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leading you through the excitingsearch for scriptural truth,
and we run everything throughthe Word of God and the
Scripture and make sure that weare in tune with that God and
the scripture and make sure thatwe are in tune with that.
We've been in on a veryexciting series on Genesis six
as our launching point, nephilim, all that kind of stuff.
Yeah, yeah, we want to remindyou first of all, if you have
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We're 16 episodes in aftertonight and so it's exciting.
But we just want you to help usthe word out, because what
we're teaching is not taughtextensively and it's not looked
at by a lot of Christians andit's so pivotal even for this
time, and I know we're talkingabout some deep dark rabbit
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holes here, but this isimportant stuff for the time we
live in Matt.
Matt (01:41):
Yeah, our first few
episodes.
We hit the main thing salvation.
Right, you know, we wanted youto know who we were and what we
believe and then after that youstart getting to this genesis 6
stuff, because most of the restof the bible hinges and pivots
around this genesis 6.
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You can understand salvationwithout it.
Oh, absolutely Right.
And there's loads of truths inthe Bible that you can
understand without it theProverbs and stuff like that.
But there's so many pieces ofthe Bible that you can read it,
but you may or may not fullyunderstand it without this
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Genesis 6 narrative.
Yeah, no, To me it's thatimportant.
Brandon (02:26):
I completely agree.
When chronologically in yourlife?
When did you start getting intothis?
I got into it about probablyalmost 10 years ago, maybe 9,
2015, 2016, somewhere in thatneighborhood.
Matt (02:41):
Me and my wife were
digging into it, probably close
to 15 years ago, really, yeahthat's and and it just gets
crazier and crazier.
And when you've, you know itwas just after we had started
catalyst, you know you startedgetting and digging into some of
that stuff and you were likewow.
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And I'm like, yes, here we go,finally found it Buckle up.
Brandon (03:07):
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's
crazy, and I've learned so much
and I can't tell you how manyconversations you and I have had
over the years of you know.
Holy crap, check this out.
Matt found this.
What do you think about this?
Matt (03:20):
Look at this word in the
Greek or the.
I know.
Brandon (03:22):
Or the Hebrew Yep.
We've been all over Revelation.
Matt (03:24):
It don't mean what we
think it means.
Brandon (03:27):
So, and we're hoping
that you are experiencing some
of that you know one of thethings and the benefits that
studying this type of contentwhich is and I don't even like
calling it that it's not content, I mean, this is biblical
teaching Some of you may be outthere and you're like why in the
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world are you teaching on that?
What purpose does it serve?
You are learning your enemy.
This is who we're up against.
This is who we're fightingagainst.
So don't tell me we wrestle notagainst flesh and blood, okay,
but against principalities andpowers, rulers of the darkness
of this world and heavenlyplaces.
We are fighting against peoplewho are behind the scenes, in
extra dimensional realms, inheavenly places, in what we
would call outer space, in theair.
A lot of what is consideredUFOs and all that kind of stuff
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is nothing more than spiritualbeings.
It's evil versus good.
It is very relevant and verypertinent to teach on this stuff
extensively and we want you todo that and I hope you're
getting your appetite wet forthe Word of God.
So when we left off last time,we were looking at Old Testament
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references to Nephilim.
There is a word and we'll getinto it later on called Rephaim,
and it's the descendants of thegiants and it just, you know
we'll get into it.
So when you see Rephaim or thatroot word, you can equate it to
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the Nephilim.
They're closely connected andbasically I think you see a lot
of Rephaim after the flood and Idon't want to make
across-the-board generalities,but a lot of Nephilim prior to
the flood, a lot of Rephaimafter the flood and maybe it's a
little watered-down version ofthe Nephilim.
That's personally what I think,but we'll get into all that.
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But anytime you see thoseRephaim, nephilim, things like
that, those words in the Hebreware used.
So we're looking at OldTestament encounters or
instances where we see giants.
And we looked at David and hismen, his servants, killing not
only Goliath but the five or thefour brothers and the guys that
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killed them, and it says theyare the sons of the giants.
We looked at Numbers, chapter13, how Moses' spies 10 of them
didn't want to go in and gave abad report.
Why?
Because of the Nephilim in theland were like grasshoppers in
their sight, and we've looked atthat.
We looked at the connection ofSodom and Gomorrah to the
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sexuality with humans and angelsand I mean it's just crazy, but
we want to begin.
There's one more scripture thatwe didn't get to the last
episode and we wanted to makesure we got it to here.
But there's one that, I'm goingto be honest with you, freaks
me out a little bit, and itcomes from the book of Daniel,
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and Matt's going to read it in asecond Daniel, chapter number
two, verse number 43, if youwant to go ahead and turn there,
but I just want to set it up alittle bit.
Daniel, chapter two is talkingabout the powers, the world
powers that have been, will beand will be in the end time, and
it talks about the iron mixedwith miry clay.
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This is Nebuchadnezzar's dream.
Okay, if I'm not mistaken, inthe context of Daniel, chapter
number two and Daniel, he seesthis image and the feet, the
legs, are of iron, the feet areof iron and miry clay
representing the final empire atthe end of the world.
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Okay, those are the basics.
Okay, I want Matt to read thisverse and, in light of that that
, it's talking about the empirethat is to come in the end times
, the end time world empire ironmixed with miry clay.
Okay, I want you to listen tothis verse and I want to let it
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freak you out All right, youwant me to start with 42?
Matt (07:29):
Yeah, that's fine.
Yeah, and as the toes of thefeet were part of iron and part
of clay, so the kingdom shall bepartly strong and partly broken
.
Okay, did you get all that?
Back up and read that lastverse again, and read it real
slow, and I'm going to interject.
Okay, okay, they, okay.
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So iron is mixed with miry clay.
Brandon (08:03):
Okay, they, okay so
iron is mixed with miry clay.
You saw this.
You understand that.
What's the next word?
They.
Matt (08:12):
Okay, keep reading.
They Shall mingle themselveswith the seed of men.
Okay.
Brandon (08:19):
Now guys hold on.
So we're talking about the endtime, final world empire, iron
mixed with miry clay, just asiron is mixed with miry clay.
It says Matt, just read it theywill mingle themselves with the
seed of men.
Okay, all right.
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Who are they?
Who are they?
That's a great question.
Who in the heck are they?
I never will forget when I wasteaching on Daniel and I read
that and I was like who are they?
They, because, whoever they arein the end times, in the final
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empire that rules the world thecall it the revived roman empire
the legs iron, whatever youwant they're mixed with miry
clay represents the feet and itsays they mix themselves with
the seed of men and they shallnot cleave one to another now.
Now notice, it doesn't say theirseed, it says they will mix
their self with the seed of men.
So there is.
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I don't care who you are, thatis sexual language, reproductive
language.
Okay, who in the world are they?
Matt (09:41):
Because you know how men
have seed Right.
Who are they?
Yeah, we don't know how menhave seed Right.
Yeah, who are they?
Yeah, we don't know.
Brandon (09:48):
We can guess it's crazy
.
And what did Jesus say Incontext of the last few episodes
, as it were, in the days ofNoah?
So shall it be at the coming ofthe Son of man.
Matt (10:04):
Yeah, and if you flip back
to the Genesis 3 narrative, the
seed war the seed war.
Yep Genesis 3.15.
Brandon (10:13):
It's mind blowing.
So basically we talked aboutthis.
Genesis 6 says there weregiants in the earth, or Nephilim
in the earth, in those days andalso after that.
So they were before the flood,anti-diluvian, after the flood,
what they call post-Diluvian.
And as we sit here today,daniel, chapter 2, the final
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world empire, has not beenfulfilled.
This is prophetic.
So whatever is coming in theend times will involve, I
believe from the context I thinkwe can surmise it will involve
angels who are fallen inrebellion to God.
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I think they are the they,because it would line up and it
would fit the narrative of therest of the Bible that they will
mix themselves with the seed ofmen.
So my question is this they didit before the flood, they did
it after the flood and they'regoing to do it in the future, in
the end times.
Here's my logical next questionhave they ever stopped doing it
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?
Yeah, I don't think so.
Matt (11:24):
I don't think so either.
I don't think so I don't thinkso either.
Brandon (11:34):
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
I don't think they ever have.
And see we just we live in ourworld, we watch our TV, we watch
NFL football and we go to thisand go to that and eat and eat
Doritos and watch TikToks andjust carry on oblivious to all
of this going on around us.
And it sounds like from readingthe Bible guys and from two
guys here that just live and eatand breathe this stuff.
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It's never stopped, it's alwaysbeen going on.
Matt (11:58):
And think about it.
It's crazy.
The angels were smart, farsmarter than we are, far smarter
than we are, smarter than weare.
They were sent by god.
You know, if you read enoch,they were sent by god to teach
people, right, okay, and sothey're smart, they know stuff,
okay, we're getting smarter as arace and we're talking in the
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news on race and we're talkingin the news on manipulating
baby's DNA to design your baby.
Brandon (12:30):
Be careful here.
Youtube will censor us.
Matt (12:33):
Yeah, It'll be okay.
They like that kind of stuff.
You're designing your baby,Right?
Okay?
Do you not think that angelsprobably already knew how to do
that?
Do you not think that angelsprobably already knew how to do
that and they could be?
Oh well, in this era we'recreating these huge giants.
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In this era, we're just makingthem smarter, faster, stronger,
Yep.
Brandon (13:00):
Yep, it's crazy.
It's crazy.
Who knows all the intricatedetails of of really what's
going on?
But it is fascinating and it'sfreaky and it's a lot of things
that you can say.
So I want to.
I want to do this.
I want to go to the book ofJude again.
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Remember, it has one chapter.
We looked at it last time.
It is a fascinating,fascinating book and even though
it only has 25 verses, it hasso much to say.
But I want to read in Judeverses 14 and 15, and I want to
set up a narrative because overthe last couple, what is this?
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The fourth episode on thistopic?
We have talked about severaltimes the book of Enoch, okay
and if you are like me, you grewup not being around.
The book of Enoch, okay, whichis an ancient book that has been
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circulating for a long, longtime.
It is believed on by ancientJews.
They believe in it.
If I'm not mistaken, theEastern Orthodox Church
considers it canon of Scriptureand a lot of people down through
the years have considered itcanon, which basically what I
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mean when I say canon.
A lot of people believe itshould be in the Bible.
Okay, I'm not going to go thatfar.
I'm not going to say itshouldn't be, I'm not going to
say it should be.
I'm just going to say I'm notsmart enough to know that and I
believe that I could see thatthere is a war against the book
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of Enoch and discrediting it.
Because if you read the book ofEnoch, 1 Enoch, well, when I'm
saying this, there's three booksof Enoch.
When I'm talking about Enoch,I'm talking about 1 Enoch.
I believe that there's a waragainst the book of Enoch
because it is very supernaturaland it covers a lot of the
topics that we're talking aboutand it adds to the context that
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the biblical narrativeestablishes.
Whether you think Enoch iscanonical or not, it's beside
the point.
It does not contradictscripture.
So we have referenced the bookof Enoch several times.
I want you to know why we'vedone that.
And there's one big, hugereason, Matt, why I'm not scared
to preach about, talk about,recommend the book of Enoch.
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And when I say book of Enoch,again, I'm talking about first
Enoch.
There are three books of Enoch.
I'm talking about first Enoch.
I actually have a copy here.
This is just some of thetranslation of the book of Enoch
the book of Jubilees and thebook of Jasher.
You can get it on, you know,anywhere on Amazon or whatever,
but it has the book of 1 Enochand we're going to go there in a
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minute.
I'm going to read you some ofthe book of Enoch, but I want
you to know why.
Why?
Why are we doing that, brennan?
Why are you quoting a bookthat's not my Bible?
That freaks me out.
That weirds me out.
I don't understand that.
Okay, first of all, let me saythis the book of Enoch is
mentioned in your Bible.
So is the book of Jasher.
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Okay, so there's, you know,what we would consider extra
biblical books that arementioned all throughout
scripture.
All right, I don't think all ofthem need to be given the same
way, but there are mentions ofthe book of Enoch in your Bible
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and there's actually quotationsand quotes made directly out of
1 Enoch in the Bible.
And I'm going to take you tothe book of Jude and I'm going
to show you that.
You that, and I want you tounderstand this.
So, if you believe that the bookof Enoch is canon of scripture
and should be in the scripturesor not, the Bible quotes it.
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And if the Bible quotessomething and the Bible says,
hey, this is said, you shouldprobably listen or at least read
and be familiar with that book.
It would be like me preachingfrom the Bible on a Sunday
morning and quoting theConstitution.
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Okay, worst case, I'm quotingthe Constitution.
Is the Constitution canon ofScripture?
Should it be in Scripture?
No, it was written by man.
Okay, but guess what?
It's a historical document thatneeds to be understood and
studied.
Okay, the greatest historicaldocument, probably governmental,
ever in the history of man.
So it's okay to reference that,even though it's not canon of
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Scripture.
The Book of Enoch is ahistorically, I believe,
accurate book that gives us theaccount of these topics that
we're talking about the sons ofGod, the fallen angels, the
Nephilim, demonology, all thiskind of stuff, a lot of
supernatural things and we needto at least be familiar with it
and read it.
And if it doesn't contradictthe Bible, it might answer some
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questions that we have afterreading the biblical narrative
man.
Matt (18:09):
Yeah, and it's clearly.
I mean we've got evidence of itexisting pre-Christ, and how do
we have that evidence?
They actually have manuscriptsof it from Egypt.
Brandon (18:29):
Right evidence.
They actually have manuscriptsof it from egypt, right?
And it was also found, yeah,and uh, found as part of the
dead sea scrolls, uh, preservedby what we believe is the
essenes found in 1948, whateverit was in qumran.
Okay, we've been there, we'veseen those caves.
Okay, I mean, think about it.
They, the ancient Jew, believethe book of Enoch.
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Josephus believed the book ofEnoch.
They quote it, they talk aboutit.
They talk about the content ofit.
It's a historically accuratenarrative that is quoted in your
New Testament Bible.
Okay, where is it quoted?
Let me show you this Jude,chapter number 14.
The writer, jude, here, thebrother of James, says this and
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Enoch also the seventh from Adam.
So that is a direct quotation,or a direct link.
Not quotation, but a directlink back to Genesis, chapter
number five, the genealogy.
And Enoch was the seventh fromAdam.
There's 10 generations linkback to Genesis, chapter number
five, the genealogy.
And Enoch was the seventh fromAdam.
There's 10 generations listedout in Genesis, chapter number
five.
Enoch was the seventh, he wasthe seventh from Adam, and
here's what the Bible says andEnoch, also the seventh from
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Adam, prophesied of these,saying behold, so okay.
So when you read your Bible.
It says prophesied.
Of these saying In your Bible,then you should see quotes,
because he's directly quotingwhat Enoch said, the seventh
from Adam.
It says saying quote Behold,the Lord cometh with ten
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thousands of his saints toexecute judgment upon all and to
convince all that are ungodlyamong them of all their ungodly
deeds, which they have ungodlycommitted, and of all their hard
speeches which ungodly sinnershave spoken against them.
There is a Two-verse sectionquoted, depending on how you
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translate it, from the book ofEnoch, okay, that we have, from
the Dead Sea Scrolls that wehave copies of.
We know that this book, okay.
Well, did Enoch really write it?
That's the argument, right?
Yeah, jude says Enoch said this.
Enoch the seventh from Adamsaid this.
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So your Bible says, under theinspiration of God, that Enoch
said this.
Enoch the seventh from Adamsaid this.
So your Bible says, under theinspiration of God, that Enoch
wrote it and it quotes it.
So should I give the book of 1stEnoch A look and a listen?
Yes, absolutely, don't youthink?
I think so We've got to.
And so the point is In thatlittle section of scripture
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quoted by Enoch.
It doesn't say anything aboutangels.
It doesn't say anything aboutthat.
What does it do?
It gives credibility to thebook of Enoch.
Okay, now, if we givecredibility to the book of Enoch
, I need to listen to what thebook of Enoch says, and I want
to read something that's justgoing to be fascinating here,
matt, and some folks out there,why don't you comment and just
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let us know?
Hey, this is the first timeI've ever heard the book of
Enoch, I've never read it.
This is the first time I'veheard it Comment in the section
and say this is my first.
Okay, because some of you outthere, you've never picked up
the book of Enoch, you've neverread it, and what I'm about to
read to you is going tofascinate you.
Okay, now, remember there arethree books of Enoch.
This is 1 Enoch.
Okay, and I want to beginreading in chapter number 6 of 1
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Enoch, and I want you to listento this because it expounds on
the narrative that we've beentalking about for several
episodes now, the Genesis 6worldview narrative.
Okay, notice this.
It says and it came to passwhen the children of men had
multiplied.
That sounds familiar, doesn'tit?
That in those days were bornunto them beautiful and comely
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daughters.
Notice this, and the angels,the children of the heaven saw
and lusted after them and saidone to another come, let us
choose us wives from among thechildren of men and beget us
children.
This is the book of Enoch.
Guess what?
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Nothing so far contradicts thebiblical narrative.
Right, it does come out and sayso.
It does call them angels here.
Okay, it does not say the B'naiElohim, it does not use that
phrase, it does not leave.
It does not say the sons of God, I guess is what I should say.
It says angels, and let uschoose wives from among them of
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men and beget us children.
Now watch this verse numberthree.
And here's this guy.
Listen to this.
You're going to be introducedto some characters and Semjaza,
who was their leader, said untothem I fear you will not, indeed
, agree to do this deed and Ialone shall have to pay the
penalty of a great sin.
So he was afraid.
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When the angels lusted andthey're like hey, let's take the
wives, he got scared because hewas the leader.
Apparently, simjaza was theleader over all these angels and
they said.
He said to them you guys allwanna do it, but I'm gonna be
the one held accountable to it,and he was a little tentative to
do it, he'll have to pay thepenalty of a great sin.
Verse four tells us whathappens.
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And they all answered him andsaid let us all swear, okay, an
oath and all bind ourselves bymutual imprecations not to
abandon this plan, but to dothis thing.
So we're going to swear an oath, okay?
Then swear they all togetherand bound themselves by mutual
imprecations.
I don't know what that means,but they bound themselves.
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I don't know if it was a bloodoath.
We're just reading.
Okay, and they were.
Now watch this.
This is very, very interesting.
And they were in it in all 200,okay, who descended in the days
of Jared?
Okay, now remember Jared.
I don't know, matt, if you canlook it up, jared is in the 10th
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generation, genesis 5.
Which one is he?
Is he like 5, 6, somewhereright in there from Adam?
Matt (24:32):
Sixth generation
descendant of Adam and Eve.
Brandon (24:34):
Okay, so he was sixth
generation, seventh man, so he
was the seventh man from Adam.
Okay, so it says here, and theywere at all 200.
So there's 200 angels whodescended in the days of Jared
Notice, where they descended Onthe summit of Mount Hermon, and
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they called it Mount Hermonbecause they had sworn and bound
themselves there's this againby mutual imprecations upon it.
Okay, so these 200 angelsdescend on Mount Hermon, okay.
Matt (25:09):
Yeah, so Jared was Enoch's
dad.
Brandon (25:11):
Okay, Jared was Enoch's
dad, thank you.
And verse number seven we getthe names, okay.
So what you're gonna see hereis there are Semjaza who rules
over everybody, okay.
So what you're going to seehere is there are Semjaza who
rules over everybody, okay.
And then I have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14,
15, 16, 17, 18, 19, and thenSemjaza would be the 20th.
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So there were 20 rulers over the200, and we get the names of
their leaders.
So we've already heard Semjaza.
Look at verse number 7, and weget the names of their leaders.
So we've already heard someJaza.
Look at verse number seven andthese are the names of their
leaders Sam-Lazaz, their leader,Arach-Laba, Ramil Kok-Label,
Tam-Lel, Ram-Lel, Dan-El Ezek-El, Ezekiel Barakajel, Asahel
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Armaros, Batarel, Annalel ZakelI'm probably butchering these
names Samsapil, Satarel, Turel,Jamjael, Seriel these are the
names notice this of the chiefsof tens.
So we have 200 angels, 20leaders.
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Semjaza's the guy that's overthem all, but there's 20 leaders
and each of them are in chargeof ten.
So this is fascinating, becausehere's the deal.
There's some structure there,and I'm sure that that structure
is something that they'reacquainted with.
So that might give us a littlelight into the organizational
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structure of angels.
Okay, I mean it's just kind offascinating.
There's hundreds of millions orprobably tens.
There's tens of millions.
I know I can prove it from theBible At least tens of millions
and at least 100 plus million.
I can prove it from the book ofRevelation.
But divided into ten, withleaders over them, I mean
there's a structure there.
It's fascinating to me.
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But you look like you weregoing to say something.
Matt (27:11):
It's interesting the names
.
Brandon (27:12):
That's what I was about
to say.
What's interesting, matt aboutit.
Matt (27:15):
Okay, if you look at those
names, every one of them end in
the L, that's right?
Brandon (27:21):
Well, there's one, two.
Or an L sound, one, two.
There's a couple that don't SamLazaz and Arak Laba and Simjaza
, but I think everybody else.
Matt (27:42):
Tamla Ramle-Le Dan-Le.
They have the ya.
Brandon (27:45):
Okay.
Matt (27:47):
Yeah, yeah.
So each one of those.
When you see a name ending in L, that means of God, yeah, e-l,
yep, of God, yep.
It's like Michael or Raphael orDaniel or Gabriel, and those
names mean something connectedto God, to God, yep absolutely.
Brandon (28:11):
And then you can even
see this in Genesis 5.
You can see it in the humans.
You can see Mahalalel, and itliterally means it's connected
to the name of God andMethuselah okay, there's a lot
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maybe not Methuselah, it has Lin it but it doesn't end in L.
But you're exactly right.
When you see L Mahalo L I knowdoes, because I've taught on it
and I've got it written downsomewhere what his name means
and it's connected to God.
I believe his name means themighty God.
The mighty God, yeah, If I'mnot mistaken I'm going off
memory here, but this is justfascinating.
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So there's 200 watcher angels.
They're called that in a littlewhile.
Some jaza rules over them.
There's 20 leaders, and ittells us their names.
Okay, it's fascinating.
Chapter 7 of Enoch says this andall the others together with
them.
Okay, so all 200 of them tookunto themselves wives and each
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chose for himself one, and theybegin to go in unto them
sexually and to defilethemselves with them.
Now, notice this, and this iswhere it gets strange.
Okay, so we knew about thesexual part, right, we know
about the production of theseoffspring.
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Their offspring will be calledthe Nephilim.
Watch this.
And they taught them, taughtthe women charms and
enchantments and the cutting ofroots and made them acquainted
with herbs.
Matt (29:58):
Pharmakia.
Brandon (29:59):
What did you say, matt?
Pharmakia?
Ah, what did you say, matt?
Say that pharmakia, pharmakia,which is what we get our word
pharmacy from, which is drugs,drugs.
Okay, it's crazy.
Okay, it's crazy.
These guys, they knew a lot ofstuff and they begin to teach
their wives a lot of this stuff.
Yeah, okay, now watch this.
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And they became pregnant andthey bore great giants.
A lot of this stuff.
Okay, now watch this.
And they became pregnant andthey bore great giants.
Now it says something herethat's fascinating and we don't
really know what it means.
It's argued over because, well,I'll just read it.
Whose height was 3,000 L's?
Okay, whose height was 3,000L's?
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E-l-l-s?
Now, I've done this, I'velooked it up online.
What is an L in ancient?
You know?
Distance and things like that.
Now, this leads some people tosay that these guys were 450
feet tall and things like thatbased on an L, and a lot of
serious.
I know that, like Gary Wayne,and I've never heard Heiser say
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anything about this, but I'veheard him say that he believed
that the antediluvian giantswere probably 30 to 40 feet tall
.
A lot of people think thathundreds of feet is a little
overkill.
I mean, there's no, but theword L is associated with that.
So we don't know.
We don't know how tall thesewere, but they says that they
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became pregnant.
They bore great giants whoseheight was 3,000 El's Now notice
this who consumed all theacquisitions of men.
Okay, now watch this.
And when men could no longersustain them, the giants turned
against them and devouredmankind.
That's fascinating.
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Okay, so you have 200, let'sjust do math here.
I don't want to hurry throughthis.
Okay, you have 200 watcherangels come down on Mount Hermon
.
Each one of them takes a wife,one wife.
Now I know that before theflood, after the flood, they had
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a lot of kids.
How many kids did they have?
How many sons?
How many did they have?
Did they have multiple?
Now I've heard some speculate.
If you're going to give birthto a giant, it would kill a
woman, naturally, to give birthto a beast.
Okay, who knows how big theirbabies were?
I'm sure they weren't like sixand seven and eight pounds.
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You know, I mean you know.
Matt (32:37):
Pop it out to 15 pounders.
Brandon (32:41):
Maybe more, who knows?
Who knows?
So maybe they can only bear one.
I've heard people speculatethat.
So you've at least got 200.
200 Nephilim Of these offspring, of the sons of become the
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mighty men of old.
They become men of renown.
So they are the kings, they arethe rulers, they are the
legendary.
It's the Herculeses, I mean allthat's rooted in that.
But they reached a point wheremen could no longer sustain them
and the giants turned againstthem and devoured mankind.
But they reached a point wheremen could no longer sustain them
, okay, and the giants turnedagainst them and devoured
mankind.
I want you to think about that.
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Devoured, okay.
I believe that to be literal,based on what we're about to
read.
Okay, I believe they killed andate men.
They would be cannibalistic,they would be murderous and the
men were trying to control them,which leads us to believe and
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understand that these guys wereout of control.
Matt (33:52):
Okay, yeah, and if you
look at so many of the ancient
religions, they involvedsacrifices of children, of men,
of virgins, of people.
Brandon (34:12):
Sacrifices of people to
the gods.
To appease the gods.
To appease the gods, yeah, sodid the human beings appease
them?
Yes, I think so.
Matt (34:23):
Yeah, it looked like they
were trying to appease them
before and then, and then theyjust devoured them anyway
because they're brute beasts.
Brandon (34:29):
Yeah, okay now, I mean
this is crazy to think about,
but think about this as well.
So they're doing this and theydevour mankind and they turn on
mankind and they cannot controlthem, so they're out of control.
This is the world before theflood.
Now watch this Verse, number 5of chapter 7, enoch 1.
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It says and they began to sinagainst birds and beasts and
reptiles and fish Okay Now.
And fish?
Okay Now, hold on.
How, now?
just go with me here, just gowith me here and let's go down a
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rabbit hole.
You ready?
Okay?
How in the world do you, okay,manipulate your?
Do you, okay, manipulate your?
How do you sexually alter anencounter with a fish?
Okay, with you see what I'msaying.
I mean beast, birds, beastreptiles, fish, and to devour
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one another's flesh.
I'm going to tell you what Ithink.
Okay, I don't know that.
This is okay and this is anadult podcast, right?
Okay?
I don't know that.
This literally meansintercourse, okay, genetically
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and DNA manipulation with birds,beasts, reptiles, fish, and to
devour one another's flesh andto drink the blood.
Now here's.
You said, brandon, what in theworld evidence do you have of
that?
First of all, enoch says thatthey were doing something sexual
and procreator I don't knowwhat the word is there
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Procreative, whatever the wordis.
They're procreating andinvolving these animals.
Now I point out this Go toEgypt.
Go to Egypt, look at theancient hieroglyphs, look at the
beings who had a body of a manand a head of a bird, and the
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body they're gods.
All of them, they're gods.
Yeah, right, Look at the Sphinx.
What in the world is that?
Matt (36:50):
Okay, I mean, you see all
of these things that had human
bottoms and yeah, and it's notjust the Egyptian, I mean, you
look at the Greek, the Medusas,the centaurs, which are what
Animals, and what Centaurs arewhat?
Humans and horses.
There you go, okay.
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The Medusas, the snakes and thewoman.
Brandon (37:14):
Mermaids.
Matt (37:15):
Mermaids.
Brandon (37:16):
Yeah, I mean you look
at all these, it's so crazy when
you start looking around andyou're like where in the world
did the Egyptians come up withthat?
Matt (37:26):
Yeah, where in the world
did the?
Brandon (37:27):
Greeks come up with
that?
Where did they come up with acentaur, a horse and a human?
Hmm, I wonder, could it be?
Could it be?
Could it be Now watch this?
So they begin to sit againstbirds and beasts and reptiles
and fish and watch this and todevour one another's flesh.
Matt (37:46):
They were cannibalistic
and drink the blood.
That's what it says, and theydevoured one another's flesh and
drank the blood.
So Pan, okay, okay, that was atCaesarea Philippi, right, they
worship Pan there.
Right, supposedly had the topof a man and the bottom of a
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goat.
Brandon (38:11):
Really Like a satyr
Okay.
Matt (38:13):
Okay, so he was literally
supposed to be a mixed breed,
just like you're talking about.
Wow, I didn't know that about.
Brandon (38:22):
Pam.
Yeah, isn't this crazy?
I mean, it's fascinating.
What are we doing?
We're reading through the Bookof Enoch and just seeing what it
says that they did.
It is quoted in the Bible, sowe give it credence.
Is that exactly how it happened?
I don't know.
Does it contradict the Biblenarrative at all?
I don't see it.
I don't see it.
In fact, it just adds contextand adds some layers.
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It's crazy.
So the end of verse number sevensays this, because I want to go
on.
It says then the earth laidaccusation against the lawless
ones, so the earth.
Now I find that fascinating too.
The Bible says that, or I'm soused to saying.
The Bible says Enoch says herethat the earth laid accusation
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against the lawless ones, so theearth made an accusation.
You remember that scripturethat says that Abel's blood
cries out, cried up from theearth, yeah, from the earth.
It makes you wonder.
And reading through Enoch,there's several instances like
that where God hears the cryfrom the earth.
It's interesting.
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I don't understand it.
I don't have a lot to add to it, but it's just noteworthy.
If you will Now listen to thischapter number eight of Enoch,
let's read on, because some ofyou are fascinated by this, so I
hope you haven't tuned this out.
Well, they're not reading theBible.
We're reading a book that isquoted in the Bible and that is
found in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
And the ancient Jewish peoplebelieved.
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Okay, this would be theirworldview, they would understand
this.
So let's keep reading.
Verse number eight says andAzazel Okay, now remember him.
Who's Azazel?
Okay?
It says where's he quoted at,where's Azazel?
I'm looking.
Was he in the 20?
Matt (40:10):
I don't know if he is or
not.
He's not, he's in the Bible.
Brandon (40:13):
Well, he's in Enoch.
Yeah, I know he's in that, yeah, we're going to tie into that,
but look here he's not one ofthe eyelids and all kinds of
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costly stones and all coloringtinctures what it says.
So here you have massivetechnology swords, knives,
shields, breastplates.
You have bracelets, ornaments,antimony, basically makeup,
costly stones, coloringtinctures and there arose much
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godlessness and they committedfornication and many were led
astray and became corrupt in alltheir ways.
Simjaza we know him, he's theleader of all taught watch this
enchantments, okay, and cuttingof roots.
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Armaros, the resolving ofenchantments.
So Samjaza taught enchantments.
Armaros taught the resolving ofenchantments.
Barakajal taught astrology,kokabel, the constellations,
astrology, kokobel, theconstellations.
Ezekiel, the knowledge of theclouds.
Irachiel, the signs of theearth, shamshiel, the signs of
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the sun, and Sariel, the courseof the moon.
And as men perished, they criedand their cry went up to heaven
.
So what do you see here?
One thing that really jumps outto me is that if you read
Enoch's account here, okay, yousee massive technology and
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knowledge being shared fromthese angels to their wives and,
no doubt, to their sons.
What is this?
This is ancient, forbidden.
God did not want mankind toknow this forbidden knowledge
and in their rebellion.
They teach this to mankind.
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Now I'm going to tell you thisand this is what I think, and
you can make fun of me, you cansay all you want to say.
Okay, I believe, prior to theflood, they had technology that
we probably don't even andhaven't even experienced at this
, the level we're at now.
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I believe they weretechnologically advanced.
I believe that we can't dothings today that they could do
then, because these angels thinkabout.
Who are these angels?
Direct creations of God, bneiHa, elohim, created of God.
They know things and they havebeen alive since before the
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foundation of the earth, atleast Right, they were there
when the foundations of theearth were poured and laid and
they sang.
That's what it says.
Okay, so these guys are smart,they've been taught directly by
God these things, and what dothey do?
They begin to share forbiddenknowledge.
Now let me ask you this weargue over things.
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There's things all over theearth that we have no flipping
clue how they got here and whatthey are.
Matt (43:50):
Yeah, we don't know, don't
know who created it, great
pyramid.
Brandon (43:56):
Yeah, we argue over and
people say, oh, okay, I used to
love turn on Ancient, ancientaliens on the History Channel,
right, ancient aliens, ancientastronaut theorists believe and
they'll talk about this andthey'll say we have been seeded
here from another planet and theAnunnaki and all this kind of
stuff.
Yeah, what if those guys aregiving credit to some faraway
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planetary person or beings thatactually are not, that they're
spiritual in nature?
And I watch that show sometimesbecause the places that they go
and the megalithic structuresthat they look at line up with
the biblical narrative, theEnochian narrative, all this
kind of stuff.
And there's a guy that justpopped into my brain.
You need to check him out.
There's a guy that he wrote thebook on giants and Nephilim.
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For the last 30, 40 years,steve Quayle is his name.
Okay, steve Quayle, he'sphenomenal.
I don't agree with him oneverything, but he's very, very
smart.
Okay, there's a guy that worksa lot with him by the name of
Timothy Albarino.
Timothy Albarino makesdocumentary films okay, and he
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will go to megalithic placeslike in Peru and all over the
world and he will show you andhe'll connect.
What he says is antediluvianarchitecture, okay, it is
knowledge that has beenforbidden, okay, and we don't
even have it now, and they hadit then.
We don't know to this day howthey created the Great Pyramid.
There are stones that we cannotlift, mined from quarries
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hundreds of miles away.
How in the world do you well,if you've got a 40-foot, 50-foot
giant that can pick them up,move them?
Okay, that would help Get oneof your sons to do it.
Or what if you have technologythat you can use vibration?
Okay, to move stones?
You say, brandon, that's crazy.
No, it's not okay.
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Yeah, and that theory has beenaround for a long time.
Yeah, and I'm not saying thatthat's where it comes from.
Maybe the Great Pyramid isafter.
But what I'm saying is all overthe world, there are pyramids,
mounds, megalithic structures.
There are anomalies, guys.
There are things, and it's notaliens and it's not, I guess, it
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is alien to us, and it is UFOs,or the new thing is like UAPs,
unidentified aerial phenomenon.
Those things are real.
I think they're connected tothe spiritual realm.
Okay, and I'm going to show youhere in just a second why I
believe that.
But I believe that there arethings in our skies, in outer
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space, things that we see, thatare coming into this space that
we live in.
They're doing things, I'll saycrop circles, things like that.
I mean, there are weird thingsthat happen and not all of them
can be explained away.
Not all of them are probablyconnected to these guys, but
could some of them be?
Yes.
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What is one of the commondenominators?
If you go to these megalithicstructures, if you go to the
Great Pyramid, if you go tothings that are weird, that pop
up out in cornfields and thingslike that, it only makes sense
and you only see it if you're inthe sky.
It doesn't make and they're allaligned with points of
reference in the skies.
Matt (47:27):
You know the crazy mounds
and stuff that you find all over
North America, even EspeciallyI would even say the snake
mounds.
Brandon (47:38):
That's in Ohio, isn't
it?
Yeah, the serpent mound.
Matt (47:41):
Serpent mound.
Yeah, yep, serpent mound, yougot things like that.
They have no idea how old it is.
They cannot date the mound.
They'll say well they're indianburial.
Brandon (47:50):
They're the indians are
like they were here when we got
here.
Yeah, there's records of them,yeah it's, yeah, and you know
they.
Matt (47:57):
They have no idea how old
it is.
They have no idea how it wasbuilt, how it was lined up,
perfectly with the sun, thestars and all these things.
Brandon (48:08):
I know it's absolutely
crazy and I'm not going to read
the whole book of Enoch to you,but you need to get this and
read it and it will blow yourmind.
What you find out is that Enoch, who's in Genesis 5, the Bible
says Enoch walked with God andwas not, for god took him, so
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god takes him, and where does hetake him?
Well, the bible doesn't say.
Well, the book of enoch givesus a narrative on it that enoch
is taken and used by god and heis actually a go-between.
God says I'm not going to talkto the angels that sinned, but
the angels that sinned askedEnoch to petition God on their
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behalf.
And he goes back and forth, andhe's the messenger of God, back
and forth to these fallenangels who are trying any way in
the world that they can to getback in good graces with God.
And God says no, it has nomercy on them.
It's a fascinating, fascinatingbook.
By the way, let me read you.
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I am going to read you one moresection here, okay, and this is
it.
Says, if you read it says thatchapter 10, verse 1 says Then
said the Most High, the Holy andGreat One, spake and sent Uriel
to the son of Lamech.
Who's the son of Lamech?
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Noah, okay, and said to him goto Noah and tell him, in my name
, hide thyself and reveal to himthe end that is approaching,
that the whole earth will bedestroyed and a deluge is about
to come upon the whole earth andwill destroy all that is in it.
So God sends Uriel, one of theangels, okay, to warn Noah.
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That's what Enoch says.
It gives us the name and ittells us what he does.
Now, remember what we told you.
So the flood comes and it killseverybody.
Okay, and what does it kill?
It kills the Nephilim, theoffspring of the sons of God.
Now, watch this.
It says this and now the giantswho are produced from the
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spirits and flesh.
Okay, this is chapter 15, verseseven.
Now, the giants who areproduced from the spirits and
flesh shall be called evilspirits upon the earth, and on
the earth shall be theirdwelling.
Evil spirits have proceededfrom their bodies because they
are born from men and from theholy watchers is their beginning
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and primal origin.
They shall be evil spirits onearth, and evil spirits shall
they be called.
As for the spirits of heaven,in heaven shall be their
dwelling.
But as for the spirits of theearth which were born upon the
earth.
On the earth shall be theirdwelling, and the spirits of the
giants afflict, oppress,destroy, attack, do battle and
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work destruction on the earthand cause trouble.
They take no food butnevertheless hunger and thirst
and cause offenses, and thespirits shall rise up against
the children of men and againstthe women because they have
proceeded from them.
So the spirits of the Nephilimthe Nephilim died, their spirits
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are here.
So what does it say?
If you read that and study it,it says that God says the
spirits that were born here, ofthe sons of God and the women
will be on the earth and all theother angels.
You're going to stay in heaven,and we know that there's times
that angels come down to theearth and things like that.
But it seems like there'salmost like you guys are going
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to stay here.
This ain't going to happen.
You know?
Yeah, like it reads, kind oflike that, and so I just wanted
to point out that we do havedocumentation.
I'm not just speculating thatdemons are the departed spirits
of the Nephilim, but that's whatthe book of Enoch says and
that's what I believe.
Matt (52:12):
Yeah, and we can tie back
in from the book of Enoch.
You know, one of the thingsthat it said that they were
doing was eating blood.
Yeah, absolutely, and they weredevouring the blood.
You know, eating meat with theblood still in it.
And literally the Bible tiesback into that, because what
does he tell noah as soon as hegets off the boat?
Don't eat blood.
Yeah, read it so.
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And god blessed noah and hissons and said unto them be
fruitful and multiply andreplenish the earth, and the
fear of you and the dread of youshall be upon every beast of of
the earth and upon the fowl ofthe air, upon the mooth, all
that moveth upon the earth andupon the fishes ofl of the air,
upon the move, all that movethupon the earth and upon the
fishes of the sea.
Into thy hand are theydelivered.
Every moving thing that livethshall be meat for you, even as
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the green herb have I given youall things but flesh.
With the life thereof, which isthe blood thereof, shall you
not eat.
Brandon (53:07):
Wow.
So what you're saying is see,in the Bible narrative we see
men get so wicked, everyimagination's evil continually,
and God sends the flood.
We get the context of the sonsof God and the daughters of men
people argue over, but when youunderstand what's happening in
Genesis 6, with the reference ofEnoch, you find out that these
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guys rose up.
The men couldn't control them.
They turned on the men, thenthey turned on each other.
They're warring against the menand against each other and
they're eating the flesh and theblood.
I mean, they're destroying whatGod created and pretty much, if
God did not destroy this,everybody would be gone.
Okay, so he says enough,everybody would be gone.
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Okay, so he says enough.
And then what does he do?
He sends the flood and as soonas Noah gets off the ark, he's
like by the way, don't eat theblood anymore.
Why does he say that?
There is no, if the watcherangels and their offspring, the
Nephilim, were not eating theblood?
There is no reference to eatingthe blood prior to the flood.
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It answers the question why isGod saying this?
It just adds context.
I love it.
It's so crazy.
Now let me say this to you,because I told you that there's
ancient technology and thatthese watcher angels have been
teaching forbidden stuff.
And let's say this too, becausewe may go down this rabbit hole
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one day.
Matt, okay, I'm going to saythis Some of the ancient mystery
religions that claim to haveforbidden knowledge, and only
some are illuminated All right,your Rosicrucians, your Knights
(54:55):
Templar, your Masonic historiansand those who are involved
heavily in masonry Okay, listento me.
All right, and this is probablygoing to get us some flack.
And those who are involvedheavily in masonry Okay, listen
to me.
All right, and this is probablygoing to get us some flack.
These are rooted in ancientBabylonian mystery religions.
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That is not what I think.
That is what, like, masonichistorians say Okay, we're going
to get to the Tower of Babel,okay, you don't want to be
connected to that story.
Say, okay, we're going to getto the Tower of Babel, okay, you
don't want to be connected tothat story, yeah, okay.
So be very careful.
Organizations that you are apart of and join and I'm sure
I'm going to get all kinds ofheck for this all right, and
(55:41):
it's fine, all right, yeah, butyou got to be very, very careful
what you get involved in,because I believe all of this
stuff is connected toantediluvian, pre-flood
forbidden knowledge that wasshared by the sons of God to
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their wives, to their offspringand, if you track it, and
smarter people than I havewritten a lot of books on the
connections there.
Yeah, okay, and it dovetailsright into the bloodlines and
the ruling oligarchs of you know, down through the years, down
(56:21):
through the centuries, the worldpowers, and, dare I say, it
leads to even the cabal thatruns the world today, because we
know that the presidents andthe prime ministers and the
leaders and this guy and thisguy, they're not the ones in
charge.
There are somebody who's incharge behind the scenes over
them, and that's not a stretcheither, because in the end times
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, there are people behind thescenes pulling the strings.
Now notice this.
I want to read this and we'llleave it here.
Revelation, chapter 12.
This has not yet happened, okay.
Revelation 12 is giving anoverview of what's going to
happen.
It says and there will be a warin heaven.
It says and there was a war inheaven.
Michael and his angels foughtagainst the devil and the dragon
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and fought against the dragon,and the dragon fought in his
angels and prevailed not.
Neither was their place foundany more in heaven.
A lot of people think this hasalready happened.
Satan was cast down and he wascast out, but he is still
allowed in heaven.
But this is describing a timewhen there will be a war and he
will not be allowed in heavenanymore.
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And the great dragon was castout, that old serpent called the
devil and Satan, whichdeceiveth the whole world.
He was cast out into the earthand his angels were cast out
with him and I heard a loudvoice saying in heaven now has
come salvation and strength, andthe kingdom, and the kingdom of
our God.
So this is the time of thecoming kingdom, okay, and it
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says and the power of his Christ, for the accuser of our
brethren is cast down, whichaccused them before our God, day
and night.
This is after the church, okay,and they overcame him by the
blood of the lamb and by theword of their testimony and they
love not their lives unto death.
Therefore, rejoice ye, heavensand ye that dwell in them will
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be confined to the earth.
What's my point in reading thatRight now they're be confined
to the earth?
What's my point in reading thatRight now they're not confined
to the earth?
They have a lot of technology.
Okay, they have technology togo into the air.
Satan is the prince of thepower of the air.
He has who knows what levels oftechnology to interact, but one
day he'll be confined only tothis earth and that is the
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period of the Great Tribulation,and it's.
This is phenomenal stuff.
We are just blown away everyweek at the stuff we get into.
It's crazy, it's fascinatingand it's I don't know, it's.
My head hurts after we leavehere, matt.
Matt (59:08):
Yeah, mine too.
Honestly, it's invigorating.
Brandon (59:12):
It is.
It makes your head hurt in agood way, right?
Oh, yeah, I love it.
Well, we're going to leave itthere tonight.
This is episode 16 of the BibleSays podcast.
Hey, we want to know yourcomments, your emails, and we
may get a little hate over thisone, and it's fine.
But you know what?
I don't know what to do otherthan to tell you the truth, okay
(59:33):
, and if there's something thatI need to warn you about, okay,
secret societies, things likethat sometimes, okay, I look at
it like you know.
I warn my kids you better watchout what kind of movies you
watch, who you let influence you.
You better not mess with aOuija board.
You don't know what you'remessing with.
I made all those kind of stuffand I'm just saying, if God's
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given us a stewardship towhoever's listening here, we've
got to make warnings as the Lordmoves us.
So we want to leave it theretonight.
God bless you.
Thank you for listening to us.
I'm Brandon Matheson and this isMatt Hunter, and this is the
Bible Says podcast.
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We're praying for you If youdon't know Jesus as your Savior?
Jesus is Lord.
Call on Him today.
Acknowledge your sin.
Call on him today.
Acknowledge your sin, turn tohim for salvation.
He's the only one that can saveyou, not religion, nothing else
, just Jesus and his blood, andwe want you to encourage you to
do that.
He's Lord.
Believe on him today, amen,amen.
We love you, guys.
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