E17 - Beyond the Flood: Cosmic Geology | The Nephilim, Nimrod & Babel | Part 1 - The Bible Says Podcast

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Brandon (00:09):
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subjects and, of course, we'vebeen on a very interesting track

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here the last five or six weekson the, as LA Marzulli says, on
the hunt or the trail of theNephilim.
So it's kind of like a threadthat you pull and just keeps
unraveling and it gets longerand longer.

Matt (01:27):
I don't think we're ever going to get to the end of that
sweater.
Nope, I don't think so.

Brandon (01:31):
So probably what we'll do is, uh, jump on and off of
the horse, uh, for a while, and,uh.
We're going to give you acouple more episodes of uh
talking about this topic, though, and we'll revisit it probably
later on, at a later date, butwe're going to give you a couple
more before we stop for alittle while, push pause on this
particular topic, because wedon't want to kind of give you a

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30,000 foot view, we don't wantto leave you in the middle of
it, and I understand that thistopic and it did for me for a
long time, matt and I haveshared some of our journey.
We've been walking in thistopic for he's been walking it
longer than I have, but myselfprobably 10 years, pushing 10

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years anyway and so there's alot to learn, and as you're
studying this, you get a lotmore questions that come up.
So that's how I am, anyway.

Matt (02:23):
It creates a lot of questions it does.

Brandon (02:26):
Anytime I teach on this in a in a church, setting
people or uh, if you give anykind of con, uh context for for
questions, people are alwaysraising their hand.
They're always asking at theback door hey, what about this,
what about that?
Because it just brings up a lotof crazy weird questions.
Because it's a crazy weirdtopic, I guess.
So, yeah, usually I answer onequestion and I get about five

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more that pop up.

Matt (02:49):
So yeah, yeah, or when you're answering somebody's
question, then you realize thatyou've got about three more
questions.
That's.

Brandon (02:56):
That's usually the way I go that is, it is, it is,
that's um, it happens that waysometimes and uh, but we are.
It's a fascinating topic and itreally shows you the behind the
scenes of what's been going onsince the, really since creation
.
And so we just want to kind ofshow that, because it shows the

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battle of good and evil, lightversus darkness.
And I think when you begin tounderstand I've said for years,
if you can understand and beginto understand Genesis 1 through
Genesis chapter 12, first 11 or12 chapters, it is going to
greatly shed light on the restof the Bible for you.
And if you don't understandthose 11 or 12 chapters, you're

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going to be lost.
You're only getting the highpoints, yep, you're going to be
lost on a lot of the context forscripture.

Matt (03:50):
Yeah, and I think what we're getting into today and
next episode, that is the piecethat really ties it together,
Because you're talking aboutgiants and these Nephilim and
all this and you're like well,why does that really matter?

Brandon (04:07):
Why did the angels do this?
Why?
What's the purpose?

Matt (04:10):
of it.
Yeah, I mean, why does itmatter?
Big picture, yeah, big pictureLike we're getting into.
We're talking about Babel,right and okay.
Most people's 30,000-foot viewof Babel is this is the myth in
the Bible that describes whereyou get the races and languages

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from.
That's the end of their context.
For it, right, but when youdive into it, that's not the end
of the context.

Brandon (04:38):
No, well, we've already talked about how people miss
the context of the flood due tothis, to the subject of the
Nephilim and the angels.
They miss the context of theTower of Babel and the dispersal
and, really, the coming forthof Abraham.
Yeah, you don't understand anyof that if you don't understand

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Genesis 6.
Yeah, so with that, I know Matthas shared with me that through
our social media things likethat we've gotten some questions
, and so I think we have acouple questions that we wanted
to address from Sean.
Is that correct?
Yeah, thank you, sean, for yourquestions.

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We appreciate you listening andwe just wanted to try to answer
those questions the best thatwe can.
So, matt, why don't you readthat first question and let's
see what we come up with?

Matt (05:29):
Okay, so what is your opinion on the correlation
between the mark of the beastand the Nephilim?
Is this why people who take themark can never be redeemed?
It would make sense if thatwere the case, given historical
events and the Lord's stance ontheir irredeemable status.

Brandon (05:46):
Right, okay, so the topic of the mark of the beast
in the book of Revelation if youdo not worship the beast or
receive his mark, you cannot buyor sell, and so we know that is
obviously the mark of the beastand that's based in Revelation.
Chapter number 13 is where thatis discussed.
But, um, the?

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The question is, is the is thenephilim and um?
Is that related to?
I?
I?

Matt (06:16):
think what he's, you know like, we see nimrod, which we're
going to talk about later, whobegan to become a gibbering.
Okay, is the mark somethingsimilar to that?

Brandon (06:30):
Right, right, is there a transition?
I've wondered that samequestion myself, because for the
exact same thing that Seanasked there because there's
irredeemable status.
God is very merciful tohumanity and always has been and
always will be, and so it'skind of out of that character,

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out of character for him to say,if you do this, there's no
coming back from it, I will notforgive you, it's irredeemable.
First of all, let me ask youthis where, matt, you and I
talked, we have some scriptureto kind of base on, the fact,
because we want you to trustwhat the Bible says, not what we
say.
Yeah, what is the scripturethat you wanted to share from

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Revelation that gives us thecontext that it is an
irredeemable offense to take themark of the beast?

Matt (07:17):
So that comes from Revelation 14,.
Basically, 9 through 11.
Basically, 9 through 11.
Okay so, and the third angelfollowed them, saying with a
loud voice If any man worshipthe beast and his image and
receive his mark in his foreheador in his hand, the same shall
drink the wine of the wrath ofGod, which is poured out without

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mixture into the cup of hisindignation, and he shall be
tormented with fire andbrimstone in the presence of the
holy angels and in the presenceof the Lamb, and the smoke of
their torment ascendeth upforever and ever, and they shall
have no rest, day nor night.
Who worship the beast and hisimage and whosoever receiveth
the mark of his name Right right.

Brandon (08:02):
So if you take the mark , you are going to receive the
wrath of God.
Yeah, it's pretty unequivocal,and I mean it says that you're
going to his fiery indignationin the presence of the Lamb, the
holy angels.
I mean, the language there ispretty clear.
If you take this mark, that'sit.
So if that is the case, that itis irredeemable for you know to

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, if you take the mark, that'sit.
You know what?
How does that relate to Genesis6?
And okay, so let's think aboutthis for a second.
In Genesis 6, they tooksomething and they changed, okay
, the DNA structure, okay, thegenetics of humanity by angels,

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sons of God, b'nai Ha, elohim,intermingling sexually with
human women.
That's why Noah we've talkedabout this in recent episodes
Noah was perfect in hisgenerations or in his genealogy.
Okay, his gene pool wasuntainted, okay, and we read in
the book of Enoch that not onlydid these angels do it with

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human beings, but they alsomodified the genetics of animals
, fish, all kinds of stuff.
So it was a weird hybridizationand the changing of the DNA
structure, okay.
So is it out there too far tosay that the mark of the beast
would be something that wouldalter your DNA?

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That makes you?
And I've wondered this myselfcould the mark of the beast be
something that alters your DNAto the point where you are not
human anymore?
Okay, and so thus could not beredeemed because you have.
You've been changed intosomething that God did not make
intent.
And I'll be honest, I mean lookat the um.

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I'll be honest, I mean look atthe—I don't find that a stretch
at all, given the Genesis 6history.
There's a couple scriptures.
Matt read those.

Matt (10:18):
You know there's— the Daniel.

Brandon (10:19):
Well, and we'll get into that a little bit in the
next question but you see thisDNA changing and what do we see
now?
We see in prevalent movementsin our world, even like in the
transgender movement and stufflike that, it is taking
something that God made acertain way and changing it into
something that God didn't makeit.

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It's changing a man and tryingto change that man into a woman,
trying to change that womaninto a man.
And we also see thatscientifically, we are seeing
DNA manipulation.

Matt (10:54):
Okay, I think from viruses to designer babies.

Brandon (10:58):
To designer babies, and there are rumors that there are
a lot of programs out therethat are making, I think you
know, hybrid mixing speciestogether, chimera-type stuff
okay, for lack of a better term,but you know mixing, and this

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is what we see in ancient Egypt,this is what we see pictured in
their hieroglyphs and thingslike that Part human, part
animal, part bird, part man,part horse.
We see it in the centaurs.
We've talked about all thiskind of stuff.
It's the DNA changing.
It's the changing of what Godintended into something that God

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did not intend.
So would it be like theAntichrist to follow in that
vein?
I think that's a great thoughtfrom Sean Yep.

Matt (11:53):
Can we prove it 100%?
No, no, no.
But is it worth?

Brandon (11:59):
a look.
Well and I'm going to say this,and I'm going to parse my words
very carefully there arecertain things that are injected
in the body that canpotentially change your DNA
structure, and I can't say theword because it will trigger
certain platforms that we are on, and that's okay and that's

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okay.
But, you know, that's a worryis that, you know, I've always
heard the mark of the beast islike a credit card and a chip
and things like that.
Well, maybe that's part of it.

Matt (12:37):
I think it's probably got some science and some technology
behind it.
Certainly there are certainreligions where you have a black
band on your arm or yourforehead, et cetera, that pretty
much have the same thing asthose numbers in Greek the 666,
right, right, and I think you'retalking about Islam.

Brandon (12:52):
Yeah, so yeah, if you ever see, yeah, islamic fighters
wear those marks on theirforehead and things like that.
So some people say it.

Matt (13:03):
There's a lot of theories out there.

Brandon (13:05):
There is, but that's some great insight and we
appreciate Sean asking thequestion and I think you're on
the right track, or at least thepossibility of a right track.
Like Matt said, we don't knowfor sure on that Yet another.

Matt (13:18):
he had one more question that we wanted to address.
So the second part is theAntichrist.
Is the Antichrist, in youropinion, going to be born or
become a Nephilim, I thoughtabout.
He is immediately thrown intothe lake of fire, right, but
Satan is actually chained up inthe bottomless pit, just like

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the watchers before him.
So this kind of may explain whysatan was chained and released
um from the abyss or abuso andso is he saying that?

Brandon (13:56):
um, he is saying that.
Um.
Um, I'm a little confused onthe uh, the question there in
reference to Satan being chained.

Matt (14:07):
Basically so Satan would be like following a pattern of
the watchers who came down andhad kids with human women.
So is Satan going to come inand impregnate a human woman?

Brandon (14:21):
After he's chained.

Matt (14:22):
And then the Antichrist is actually going to be.
No, before he's chained, Okay,before he's chained.
Then the Antichrist is theNephilim by definition.

Brandon (14:29):
Right?
Well, satan is not chained yet.
He won't be chained until afterthe tribulation, so that's what
I was confused on the question.
And then he will be released atthe end millennium.
So it would be changed for athousand years or a little
season, the Bible says.
But prior to that, is itpossible that Satan would father

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, or would the Antichrist be aNephilim, the product of a
fallen angel and a human woman,or Satan himself and a human
woman?
A couple of scriptures pop intomy head on that one Second
Thessalonians, chapter two,which is a a big end times
prophecy chapter, verse numberthree, paul says let no man
deceive you by any means, forthat day shall not come except

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they're coming to fall.
Come a falling away first, andthat man of sin be revealed.
Okay, and that's a reference tothe antichrist, the man of sin.
And then it says the son ofperdition.
Okay, I have wondered this samething that Sean's second
question is asking.
You know, is the Antichrist thefather or the offspring of

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Satan himself?
And I think it is possible,very possible.
You know, the son of perditionwould be translated maybe a
little bit more in our everydaylanguage today the son of
destruction.
Okay, so everything that Satanis is to destroy it's light
versus darkness, destructionversus, you know, the godly, the

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goodness of God.
So he's the antithesis ofeverything godly.
And so it does call theAntichrist the son of
destruction or the son ofperdition.
So is that a possibility?
Yes, is that hanging a lot oftheology on one word?
Yeah, and I don't think youhave a ton of scriptures to back
it up, but I can think of onemore.
Okay, daniel, chapter number two, let me see if I can find it.

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I think it's Daniel two, whereDaniel is telling about the
final two world empires.
And he's talking about theseempires and he says, in verse
number 42, he's talking aboutthe legs of iron, the feet part
of iron, part of clay, and theten toes, all that kind of stuff

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.
And he says as the toes of thefeet were part of iron and part
of clay, so the kingdom shouldbe partly strong and partly
broken.
Verse 43, daniel 2 says andwhereas thou sawest iron mixed
with my clay, they shall minglethemselves with the seed of men,
but they shall not cleave oneto another, even as iron is not
mixed with clay.
So prophetically, and we don'thave time to teach this whole

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thing, but that is the finalworld empire that will exist.
It's not the Medo-Persianempire, it's not the Roman
empire.
It is the remnant of the Romanempire, the legs of iron, and
this is all prophecy.
But this is the final empirethat will exist.
And so the Bible says that thatfinal empire will be a mixed
empire of iron and clay.

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Okay, two things that do notbelong together, do not mix
together.
And it says they will mix theirseed with the seed of men.
Okay, so whoever they are, mixtheir seed with the seed of men.
Okay, so whoever they are, mixtheir seed with the seed of men.
We know mankind, so whatever ismixing its seed with the seed
of men, is obviously not fromthe seed of men.
So that's the scripture thatpops in there, that there is,

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and we know.
As it was in the days of Noah,so will it be at the coming of
the son of man.
So there's going to be some ofthese shenanigans going on, just
like it was prior to the flood.
So is it possible?

Matt (18:10):
Yes, I think it's— the Antichrist will definitely have
some semblance of Satan in him,whether it's like Judas.

Brandon (18:21):
Right?
Well, and the Bible says thatSatan entered Judas at the upper
room.
So he entered him, so he waspossessed by him.

Matt (18:29):
And he's also called the son of perdition.

Brandon (18:31):
He's also called the son of perdition.

Matt (18:33):
Yep, so you could have Satan possessing the Antichrist
or Satan fathering theAntichrist.

Brandon (18:41):
I think that's a good way to put it.
So you could have fathering orpossessing, but at the very
least he is controlling him.
Controlling, yeah, if you readthe book of Revelation, he's
controlling him.
And if you pressed me upon it,if you said Brandon, you got to
pick between Satan fathering orSatan possessing I would almost

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say possessing.
And I'll tell you what is thekicker for me is that there's
such a shift in the Antichristfrom peace to war.
There's a shift, there's atransition that happens in the
seven years, that, at themidpoint of the seven years, is

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the abomination of desolation,where he exalts himself as God
says worship me.
But prior to that, he does itand he has a deadly head wound
that is healed.
So is there some kind ofassassination, okay, and a
resurrection with a possessionof Satan?
You know these are allspeculative things, but if you
press me on it, but there's somegood arguments made, I think

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the other way as well, is Satanactually fathering the
Antichrist?
Let me say one final thing onthat.
I think Satan doesn't know whenall this is gonna happen.
Okay, so he has to have, Ibelieve, an Antichrist waiting
in the wings at any given timein history.

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Okay, I remember growing up,you know hearing as a kid in the
Gulf War and people saying, oh,is Saddam Hussein the
Antichrist or is this one theAntichrist?
And then you know in lateryears, is Obama the Antichrist?
Is this happening?
And then I hear people fromyears ago they thought Hitler
was the Antichrist.
And then you know in lateryears, is Obama the Antichrist?
Is this happening?
And then I hear people fromyears ago they thought Hitler

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was the Antichrist.
So can I say this what ifthey're all right, or not all of
them, but what if there is anAntichrist at certain different
points in history?
Okay, because Satan doesn't know.
So if he is empowering orfathering or doing these things,

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he has to have a man in thewings, waiting ready to assume
that role, because he doesn'tknow when it's going to happen.
He's like us, he knows it'sgoing to happen, but he doesn't
know when.
So he's not privy to thatinformation.
So he's got to be ready.
So could Adolf Hitler have beenthe Antichrist?
Maybe?
I think there's a lot ofevidence that he was into dark

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magic and was into the occult.
So was he possessed?
It could be very, very likelythat he was likely that he was.

Matt (21:30):
Yeah, yeah, there's, there's a lot of that stuff that
you know is satan just tryingover and over, and over and over
again to win the battle, right,you know, even though the book
says he's going to lose.
Right, he's trying to make theprophecies wrong.

Brandon (21:42):
Well, think about this, okay.
On that same vein of thought,okay, look throughout history,
look throughout your Bible, okay, and see how many times in
history there has been a wickedleader.
Rise up and try to kill.

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Okay, and try to kill.
Okay.
The seed of the womanprophesied in Genesis, chapter
number three Okay, thy seed, andyou know her seed will be at
enmity with each other.
Okay, you see Pharaoh, okay,pharaoh persecuted when all the
babies killed, okay, in the timeof Moses, all right, remember,

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they don't know when all this isgoing to happen.
The enemy doesn't know.
So, you see, I think you seethe hand of Satan, the hand of
destruction, okay, and Pharaohwiping out all the babies, but
Moses being spared, thedeliverer.
I think that's a foreshadowing,esther.
All the killing of the Jews,just wiping it out.
Okay, the killing of the Jewsand just wiping it out.
Okay.

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In modern times, adolf Hitler,okay, trying to eradicate the
Jewish people.
But even in the time of Jesus,in the time of Herod, what
happened?
Hey, where's the king that Ican come worship him?
Let me know you wise men fromthe east.
And what does he do?
He searches out where he's atand he goes and kills all the
babies in that region from twoyears old and under, okay, and

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kills all the babies in thatregion from two years old and
under okay, and they are weepingall over the place.
The Bible says and it's an OldTestament prophecy you see, over
and over and over a destructionthat is targeting the Jewish
people, and I think that thattargeting is trying to eradicate
the Messiah from being born,trying to kill him.
Okay, so you see this chessmatch, if you will back and

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forth that God's always threesteps ahead on, but Satan is
always guessing, but he alwayshas to have a plan in the wings.
Okay, so we're going off therails, aren't we?
We are.

Matt (23:41):
But Hitler wouldn't have been trying to keep the Messiah
from coming.
But Right, we are.
But Hitler wouldn't have beentrying to keep the Messiah from
coming.
But part of the prophecy pieces, Israel really needed to be a
nation again.

Brandon (23:55):
Right.

Matt (23:56):
What if the whole purpose of that was to keep Israel from
becoming a nation again?
Right, because it started onthe path in 1917 when World War
I hit?
Was it the Balfour Declaration?
Right, because it started onthe path in 1917 when World War
I hit?

Brandon (24:08):
Was it the Balfour?

Matt (24:09):
Declaration.

Brandon (24:10):
Right and yeah, yeah.
So we can really go down therabbit hole if we get into all
of that and some of the leadingso if he can make one prophecy
in the book, null and void.
Right, or just to delay it, togive himself more time, so the
culmination doesn't happen yeahbecause the bible says, I think,

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in jeremiah, that the nationwill be born in a day.
Uh, and, and we know that theyou know um, in uh, what year
was it?
1948?
48 is Israel becomes a nationin one day and recognized.
And you're exactly right.
Many people don't understandthe history.

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And even in our current eventstoday, with the Israel and the
Palestinian back and forth andthe business going on in Gaza
and Lebanon, why is everybody soupset?
It happened, it began.
They began on the track to onin Gaza and Lebanon.
Why is everybody so upset?
It happened, it began.
They began on the track tobeing a nation in 1917.
And, if I'm not mistaken, one ofthe leaders was the Rothschilds

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that were leading in that toget the nation started in the
Balfour Declaration and thingslike that.
And then people began to returnto their native homeland from
you know their native, as 2,000years ago, native Jewish people
began to return.
That's never happened.
It's a phenomenal thing.

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I was talking about this nottoo long ago with my son.
It is a phenomenal thing thatafter 2,000 years of not being a
united people, okay, that youknow you're from Israel, you're
ancient ancestors, but there wasa dispersal, okay, and
everybody's gone.
And then in the late 1800s,early 1900s, everybody starts to

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come back to the land andthere's a regathering into the
land of what we know now of asthe nation of Israel.

Matt (26:06):
Yeah, and it's even more wild than that, with okay, the
Hebrew language went out ofexistence.
It's the only language thatwent extinct and was brought
back nearly 2,000 years later.
Wow, nobody spoke Hebrew beforethe late 1800s, right?

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Okay, that's crazy Other than afew of their most devout Jewish
Pretty much extinct, right.
Yeah, it was not used as acommon language.
It was only used in thereligious ceremonies, right, so
it was pretty as a commonlanguage.
It was only used in thereligious ceremonies, right, so
it was pretty much an extinctlanguage.
It came back from an extinctlanguage to the language spoken
every day in Israel.

Brandon (26:53):
Right, it's phenomenal, it really is.
Yeah, it really is.
So great questions, yeah, greatquestions.

Matt (27:02):
We kind of went off the rails a little bit.
No, weren't prepared, butthat's good.
No, that's okay, makes for agood discussion.

Brandon (27:07):
Yep, that's what we're here for is the discussion, and
so, sean, thank you for yourquestions.
We want to go to today and thetime that we have left in this
episode, genesis, chapter number10.
And kind of where we left offthere last time, we want to pick

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up and discuss, chronologicallyspeaking, we are after the
flood now, okay, and we'vetalked at length about the
reasons for the flood.
The reasons for the flood werethe Genesis 6 events of the sons
of God, the B'nei Ha'alohim,taking human women, fathering
children by them.
These are known as the N'cholim, and these same became mighty

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men, or Gibberim, in the earth.
These are the men of renown,men of legend, and so we talked
about all of that, and this wasthe straw that broke the camel's
back.
Man was wicked, mankind waswicked, but when they started
messing with the human genome,it seemed to be a red line that

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was crossed by God, and so whenthey started doing that, god
said no more, and so he wipedeverything out that he had made,
except eight people, and thatwas Noah and his wife, and Shem,
him and Japheth and their wives, and he put them on the ark,
and, of course, they survivedthe flood, the deluge, if you

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will.
And so if you ever hear us usethe word antideluvian, we're
talking about what happenedbefore the flood.
Post-diluvian is after the floodor after the deluge, okay, so
if you look at Genesis, chapternumber 10, I think we referenced
this in the last episode, butwhen they got off the ark, god

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began to tell Noah and his threesons and their wives to
replenish the earth.
And he told them, you know,gave them what we call the
covenant of Noah and basicallytold them, you know that gave
them it wasn't just the plantsand animals, it was the you're
the plants anymore, it was theanimals, but don't eat the meat

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with blood in it, things likethat.
So there were some certainconnections from pre-flood to
post-flood.
And he gives them theinstructions, and so he tells
them to spread out on the earthand fill up the earth again.
That is, he's destroyed it,he's put them back and replenish
the earth.
And when we get to Genesis,chapter number 10, we have a

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genealogy, which are some of themost interesting things in all
of the Bible Genealogies whenyou really begin to study them.
But we see where the nationsafter the flood began to spread
out and grow.
And so chapter 10 is thatgenealogy, and there's some
interesting tidbits in here andwe want to point out a couple of

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them.
So Noah had three sons Shem,ham and Japheth.
Okay, shem would become, in hisdescendants, the line of Christ
.
Okay, ham and Japheth not somuch.
Especially Ham, right.
So I want to point out sothere's Shem, ham and Japheth,

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but I want to zero in.
In verse number six of Genesis,chapter number 10, the sons of
Ham and the sons of Ham.
It says Cush and Mizraim andPut and Canaan.
Okay, so Ham has four boys Cushand Mizraim, put and Canaan.
All right, we're going to comeback to those in just a second.

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When Noah got off of the boat ofthe ark, back in chapter number
nine, there's a very strange,weird incident that happens.
Yeah, weird incident, thathappens.
Yeah, bible says in versenumber 20 of chapter nine that
Noah began to be in husbandmentand he planted a vineyard and he

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drank of the wine and wasdrunken and was uncovered within
his tent and Ham, the father ofCanaan, okay, remember, sham,
ham and Japheth.
And Ham, the father of Canaan,saw the nakedness of his father
and told his two brethrenwithout, and Shem and Japheth
took a garment and laid it uponboth their shoulders went
backward and covered thenakedness of their father and
their faces were backward andthey saw not their father's

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nakedness.
And Noah awoke from his wineand knew what his younger son
had done unto him and he saidCursed be Canaan, a servant of
servants, shall he be unto hisbrethren?
So there's this episodes thathappens, that just kind of
boggles the mind.
So Noah plants a vineyard, noahgets drunk.
Noah is asleep in his tent.
He's naked.

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He has three boys, sham, hamand Japheth.
Ham, okay, who's the father ofCanaan?
The Bible says Ham sees hisfather's nakedness, okay.
And he goes and tells his twobrethren, shem and Japheth, and
they take a blanket and walkbackwards into the tent so they

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don't see the nakedness of theirfather and they cover Noah so
they don't see it.
Noah wakes up and realizes whathis youngest son has done to
him and he pronounces a curse,not on Ham but on Ham's son,
canaan.

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Okay.
So it's kind of an odd story,all right, and there's a couple
options that are very prevalentof what happened here.
Okay, and it's important for acouple reasons.
We'll get there in just asecond.
The way it reads it kind ofjust gives you the
heebie-jeebies, okay, thatthere's something just really

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dirty and nasty going on herewith ham, okay, yeah, going on
here with ham, okay, yeah.
And so one of the prevalenttheories, and maybe the leading
theory, is that ham, uh, andpossibly even canaan, his son,
committed a homosexual act, uh,of actual, you know, sexual um

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miss, you know, uh, a sexual actor crime as we would say today,
toward their dad while he wasdrunken and passed out.
Okay.
So you don't want to get toodescriptive here, but that is
one of the leading theories and,to be honest with you, there is
a ton of things that make youthink that.

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There is a ton of things thatmake you think that One of the
arguments made against that kindof, from the Hebrew scholarly
standpoint, is that thenakedness of his father Ham saw
the nakedness of his father.
Okay, that that is a Jewishidiom, that basically Ham saw

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the nakedness of his father'swife, okay, so some people will
make that that you know that inother scriptures and other
writings in Jewish literature itwill say the nakedness of the
father, and that means that yousaw the nakedness of your
father's wife, okay, so is thesin here a sexual act against
the mother or the stepmother, oryou know what is going on here.

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The mother and I've heard thatexplained that that was part of
the reason why Canaan was cursed, Because Canaan was possibly
the result of that right, andthat could be, so there's a
possibility here that hamfathered his child, canaan,
through his mother, okay, so isthat the sin committed in

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chapter number 10?
Okay, um, now there's a couplethings that I would say in
reference to that not being ahomosexual act against his
father.
When he saw the nakedness ofhis father, he told his two
brethren, and his two brethrentook a blanket and in response
to hey, dad is naked.

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They went in there and coveredhim up.
So it leads me to believe thatnakedness means dad's naked, not
mom's naked, okay, and he wasdrunk and passed out and so he
was covered up and then, withoutbeing too descriptive here, he
woke up and realized what hisson had done to him.
So did he know somethingphysically had happened to him?

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Okay, physically had happenedto him, okay.
So, that being said, that'sit's kind of a story, kind of
like one of those make you kindof crunch point is canning got
cursed.
Canaan got cursed, not ham, butHainan, Hainan, Cainan, the, the
son of ham.
Now, if you go back to versenumber six, so the sons of Ham,

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Ham has four boys mentioned inGenesis 10, and they are Cush
and Mizraim Put and Canaan.
Okay, Cush and Mizraim Put andCanaan, Read down.
In verse number seven it goeson.

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It says and the sons of Cushwere Seba and Havilah and Sabta
and Ramah and Sabtica and thesons of Ramah, Sheba and Dedan.
Look at verse eight.
And Cush begat Nimrod and hebegan to be a mighty one in the
earth.
He was a mighty hunter beforethe Lord, Wherefore it is said
Even is Nimrod the mighty hunterbefore the Lord.
Wherefore it is said, even asNimrod the mighty hunter before

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the Lord, In the beginning ofhis kingdom was Babel and Erech
and Akad and Kalna in the landof Shinar.
Okay, so back to the four boys.
In verse number six you haveHam has Cush, Mizraim Put and
Canaan.
So if you look at Cush, Cush,who descended from Ham, is the
father and becomes the father.

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Cush becomes the father ofNimrod, who founded a place
called Babylon or Babel in theland of Shinar.
Okay, so here's what I alwaysfound interesting.
So Ham has a son named Cush,and Cush becomes the father of
the Babylonians.
Okay, so Ham has a son namedCush, and Cush becomes the
father of the Babylonians, Okay.

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But what also is interesting inverse 6 is that you have Canaan
, who was cursed, and if youtrace his lineage down, he
becomes what we know as thefather of the Canaanites.
Okay, the Canaanites, All right.
Then, if you look at the othertwo boys in verse number 6,
Mizraim and Put, most connectthem back to the Egyptians.

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So what always just jumped outto me was, in verse number six,
you have Noah's grandkids by hisson, Ham.
Ham has Cush, Mizraim, Put andCanaan, all right.
And in those four boys you havetheir descendants becoming the

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three greatest enemies of God'speople.
Okay, you have the Egyptiansokay, that would enslave God's
people, okay, be led out byMoses, but for 400 plus years
enslaved by the Egyptiansdirectly descended from Ham's

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line, okay.
Also, you have the Babylonianswho would later, okay, enslave
and come in and take the youknow, the Israelite people into
captivity Daniel and Shadrach,Meshach and Abednego, those are
actually, they're Babyloniannames, and so what they do is

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those are just a wicked enemy ofIsrael.
And then you have so you havethe Egyptians and you have the
Babylonians and you have theCanaanites.
When the children of Israel ledout of Egypt, they get to the
land and there's Canaanites inthe land and a lot of these
enemies that they have to fightin the land that are trying to

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possess the land of God'spromised people, are the
Canaanites.
So the Canaanites, theEgyptians, the Babylonians, all
from the same family.
If you trace it back, it's kindof crazy.

Matt (39:28):
That is and the family that was involved in a curse.

Brandon (39:33):
There's a curse on that family.
Yeah, yeah, it's crazy, itreally is.
And so you see how that one,that act, played into a curse
and that curse bled down to thisfamily and led down to just
being incredible, incredibleenemies of God.

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Let's look a little bit more atverse number 8 in Genesis 10.
And Cush begat Nimrod.
He began to be a mighty one inthe earth.
Okay, now Nimrod we're going tofind out in chapter 11, founds
a place called Babel or Babylon,and it is what we will call now
modern day Iraq.

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But what we see is that thatCush begets Nimrod and Nimrod
founds this city and is thefounding king of Babylon.
But he is a very peculiar guyand in fact, we get bits and
pieces of that in Scripture, butin some other Jewish writings
we see a portrait of Nimrod.

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That is very crazy.
There's some weird stuff goingon with him, matt.

Matt (40:43):
Yeah, wasn't there, there was.

Brandon (40:45):
There was, there had to .
Was there had to be, there hadto be.
So why do people think thatthere was some crazy stuff going
on with Nimrod?

Matt (40:56):
Which one do you want to start with?
There's a lot.
Look at verse number 8.

Brandon (41:00):
We'll just start there from Scripture.

Matt (41:02):
How do you become, or start to become, a mighty man?

Brandon (41:06):
Okay, you start to become.
It's kind of a weird way to sayit.
King James says he began to bea mighty man or a mighty one.
The word gibor is the wordmighty.

Matt (41:21):
It is the word giborim which is also used to describe
Nephilim Right or the offspringof Nephilim.

Brandon (41:29):
Well, in Genesis 6, it says that the same became mighty
men, men of renown, okay,Mighty men, gibbereim.
So these offspring of theseangels and these women were
Nephilim, but they were alsogibbereim, mighty men.
Okay, now, the word mightythere is used throughout the old

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Testament and it doesn't always.
The word get bored does notalways mean like a hybrid being,
but it can.
Okay, and gibberine, okay, I amis the plural, okay, and and
you see, uh, you see that, that,uh, um, uh, you know that used

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of, well, for example, nephilim,nephilim, okay, I am, it
represents the plural.
You see it in Cherubim andSeraphim, seraphim, cherubim,
it's all got that I am, which isthe plural.
So what you see is that Nimrodbegan to be a mighty one in the
earth and he was a mighty hunterbefore the Lord.
Some have argued that versenumber 9, it should be
translated he was a mightyhunter against the Lord, or that

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he was hunting people who wereworshiping the Lord, that he was
kind of like outlawing trueworship.
I've read a lot on Nimrod andour buddy that we threw out his
book, gary Wayne.
He talks a ton about Nimrod,okay, and all of the Jewish
writings and the ancient recordsof Nimrod, potentially even

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finding, you know, hiddenancient knowledge that survived
the flood, written on stones.
And he found it and then kindof did, like seances, slash
sexual magic, sex magic, tobecome what his.
You know what people werebefore the flood, or these

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Nephilim.
So do we have a biblicalaccount of it?
No, but there is a ton oftheories out there about Nimrod.

Matt (43:33):
Yeah, one ancient Jewish story with Nimrod.
So you've got Jacob and Esau,right.
Okay?
So one story that's out thereis that when Esau came back in
and and was famished andstarving to death and Jacob

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stole his birthright or hetraded his birthright for a bowl
of beans, basically and Jacobtricked him that what he was
actually coming back from wasactually killing Nimrod, right?

Brandon (44:08):
Right, the Jewish tradition is that Nimrod was
killed by Esau.
Okay, so that's crazy.
Yeah, do you remember off thetop of your head what book
records that?
I don't remember where that'sat.
I've heard it and there'sseveral books that record a lot

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of that stuff.
It's not Jas.
I've heard it and there'sseveral books that record a lot
of that stuff.
What is it?

Matt (44:35):
called.
It's not Jasher, is it?
I don't know, it may be.

Brandon (44:39):
See if you can look it up.
So Nimrod, I mean, that's justthat's crazy to think about that
.
But Nimrod began to be a mightyman, so he begins to and some
would even say he begins totransition into something that
he's not okay and becomes amighty hunter against the Lord
or before the Lord.

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So that's some of the kind ofcrazy stuff about Nimrod.
And Nimrod was the founder ofBabel, verse number 10.
Now, what Are you finding it?

Matt (45:14):
Probably Jasher.

Brandon (45:18):
Jasher, chapter 27.
You got any of it there?
Pulled up.

Matt (45:27):
We weren't planning on reading Jasher tonight, but
that's okay.
Okay, so basically, nimrod wasobserving Esau all the days, for
a jealousy was formed in theheart of Nimrod against Esau.
Esau saw the mighty man ofNimrod coming at a distance and
fled.

Brandon (45:39):
So it is the book of Jasher and you said chapter
number 27.
If people want to go check itout and read up on it and Jasher
obviously is the ancient Hebrewbook that has been handed down
it's much like the book of Enoch.
I have a copy of it at thehouse.
I've not read it in itsentirety, I'm not going to lie
to you, but I do.
I have read bits and pieces andI've read this before.
So if Nimrod and there's tonsof rabbit trails, as all of this

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stuff is when we go from Nimrod, nimrod founds Babylon.
Babylon is in the plain ofShinar, and then we come to an
event in chapter number 11 ofGenesis called the Tower of
Babel.
So that's kind of where we wantto leave you tonight is
introducing this concept of theTower of Babel.

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What is the Tower of Babel Now?
When I was in Sunday school, wehad flannel graphs and you'd
build the little things and youhad kind of like a pyramid shape
or a cigarette-shaped tower.
So I always thought in my brainthat the Tower of Babel was a
bunch of people that gottogether and they all spoke the

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same language and they weregoing to build a tower all the
way to heaven and they were justgoing to build it all the way
to where God was, because God'sway up there.
And so they just built a reallytall building and that's what
they were going to do.
And then God said no anddispersed them and confounded
their language.
Now the trajectory of what Ithought was correct, genesis 11

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says this let's read a littlescripture and then we'll talk
about the topic of the Tower ofthe Bible.
And the whole earth was of onelanguage and of one speech.
That's 11, chapter 11, verseone.
And it came to pass, as theyjourneyed from the east, that
they found a plant in the landof Shinar and they dwelt there.
And they said one to another goto, let us make brick and burn
them throughly.

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And they had brick for stoneand slime had they for mortar.
And they said go to, let usbuild us a city and a tower
whose top may reach into heaven,and let us make us a name lest
we be scattered abroad upon theface of the whole earth.
So these people that are comingfrom the east to the land of
Shinar, they all live, they'reone language, one speech, okay,

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and they gather in the plain ofShinar and they say let us build
a tower whose top may reachinto heaven, okay, and let's
make us a name Notice this atthe end of verse 4, lest we be
scattered abroad upon the faceof the whole earth.
So you have mankind of onelanguage, one place, one kind of

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for lack of a better term oneworld system, okay, and to kind
of interject some New Testamentprophecy over top of it, one
world kind of system.
And what they want to do isthey do not want to be scattered

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abroad upon the face of theearth.
That's their stated goal.
We want to build a tower toheaven.
Make us a name, but we don'twant to be scattered upon the
earth.
Make us a name, but we don'twant to be scattered upon the
earth.
But this flies right in the faceof Genesis 9, when Noah got off
the boat and Shem, him andJapheth, got off the boat and he
said go and scatter andreplenish the earth, go and fill

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the earth up.
The people don't want to dothat.
Now there's a lot that iscontextually missing in the
story for us as we read theBible.
There's a lot went on withNimrod.
There's a lot went on.
He's a mighty hunter againstthe Lord.
He's a mighty hunter before theLord.
How's that supposed to beinterpreted there?
Okay, what's going on?

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Is there an active movement toget people to worship things
other than the God of heaven?
Again, this is after the flood.
We know all the shenanigansthat happened before the flood.
So these people are like wedon't want to be dispersed.
But when you read Genesis 9,god's like disperse.
I want you to disperse and fillup the earth.
So God's intent was that theynot live in one place and just

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keep one language and be onethat he wanted them scattered
throughout the whole earth andfill it up.
That's why he made it.
That's what he wanted.
But you see an open rejectionof what God's stated
commandments were to the people.
Okay, so what does God do?
Verse number five and the Lordcame down to see the city and
the tower okay, the city ofBabylon and the tower of Babel
which the children of menbuilded.

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And the Lord said okay, thecity of Babylon and the tower of
Babel which the children of menbuilded.
And the Lord said behold, thepeople is one and they have all
one language.
And this they begin to do.
Okay, and now nothing will berestrained from them, from which
they have imagined to do.
Now, that's a fascinatingstatement.

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God comes down, looks overmankind and he sees their city
and he sees their tower and hesays I see what they're doing
and what they're beginning to do.
And he says if they do this,nothing will be restrained from
them.
Okay, which they have imaginedto do.
So what does he do?
He says go to.
Let us first of all who's theus there?

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God is talking.
Let us go down and thereconfound their language that
they may not understand oneanother's speech.
So remember, whole world, oneworld system here, everybody
living in the same place,talking with the same language,
accomplishing the same thing.
And God comes down and says I'mnot going to let them do this

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because nothing will be offlimits to them if they do this.
So I'm going to confound theirlanguage, that they may not
understand one another's speech.
So no longer could theycommunicate in their building
and what they're doing.
They couldn't understand eachother.
Okay, and so he confounds theirlanguage.
So the Lord verse 8, scatteredthem abroad from thence, from

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the land of Shinar, upon theface of all the earth, and they
left off to build the city.
Therefore is the name of itcalled Babel, because the Lord
did there confound the languageof all the earth and from thence
the Lord scattered them uponthe face of all the earth.
So what we see here is that Godforcibly you won't do it,

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willingly, I'll force you toscatter, I'm going to confound
your language.
And he forcibly scatters verse8, so the Lord scattered.
You won't scatter on your ownand replenish the earth, so I
will forcibly do it Now,forcibly do it Now.
God says to them nothing will beoff limits to them.
And how did he say it?

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Let us make a name, verse,number.
They begin to do it Now.
Nothing will be restrained fromthem.
So in other words, if they dothis, nothing will be off limits
.
They're not going to bewithheld by anything.
They're not going to be heldback from doing anything they
want to do.
Not going to be withheld byanything.
They're not going to be heldback from doing anything they
want to do.
So I don't know about you, matt.

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This is another.
It's shrouded in mystery.
We don't understand everythingthat's going on, but there seems
to be more going on here thanjust building a really tall
building to heaven Seems like it.

Matt (52:44):
yeah, yeah, and we get very.
You know, it's just a littleblock of scripture that we get
on this in this section.

Brandon (52:55):
In this section.
There's some context in othersections and in other writings.

Matt (53:01):
Yeah, but you know, we really don't know exactly what
they were doing or what wasgoing on.
Right, we can speculate a lot,we can pull in from other
writings, et cetera, whether howmuch you trust those other
writings or not, but there's allkinds of stories and other
writings not just Biblical andJewish writings that basically

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align with this, to say thatthere was the tower, that there
was.

Brandon (53:34):
Now and we alluded to this a few episodes ago or a
couple episodes ago that thereare ancient mystery religions
and secret society typeorganizations that trace their
history back to the Tower ofBabel and record some of the
things that were going on theTower of Babel and record some
of the things that were going on.
One of the things that reallyjumps out to me is my feeling is

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that there seems to be, as youread this, more to the story
than just building a really tallbuilding.
I think there's a technologicalaspect to this that goes back
to the forbidden knowledge thatthe angels gave to humanity when

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they interbred with humanity.
I believe they taught theirsons and daughters, based on the
book of Enoch, forbidden arts,forbidden things, and I believe
that some of this technology forlack of a better term was used,
and I don't believe at all thatthey were trying to build a

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building to reach to the heightof heaven.
I believe that they were tryingto open this spiritual
dimension that the spiritualworld God and his angels and the
spiritual beings can access.
I believe that they were tryingto become like God and access

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dimensions that humanity wasnever intended to do that, and
that's why God's like, look,this can't happen.
Okay, and I believe, to behonest with you, I believe that
we're doing the same thing today, yeah, Okay, yeah, I was going
to say it.

Matt (55:14):
There's hints of that all over the place.

Brandon (55:20):
There is there.
There is a place in Geneva,Switzerland, and it's called
CERN.
Okay, CERN is a it's it'scalled the Large Hadron Collider
, yeah, and they are colliding,okay, trying to, and I don't
know all the technical terms ofit.
I've read on it, I've seen onit.

(55:40):
It's freaky, they are trying to.
I think it's atoms that aretrying to collide.

Matt (55:46):
They're photons.

Brandon (55:48):
Yeah, really fast and they're trying.

Matt (55:51):
Using magnets to guide them and smash them together.

Brandon (55:54):
Recreate the Big Bang, yeah, okay, and what they're
saying is and really smartpeople have cautioned them that
by doing this they couldinadvertently Create black holes
.
Create black holes andpotentially destroy humanity.
Okay, I mean seriously.

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Okay, they are creating and I'mgoing to use a very
unsophisticated word because Idon't know the technical words
to use but there was concerns inthese last few years that they
didn't know when they open upthese black holes and they open
up these for lack of a betterterm portals, okay, that they

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didn't know if we could besucked into them or if something
could come from the other sidein to our world.
Okay, and there's all kinds oftalk of dark matter and just
weird things God particles, andI mean I've just read some crazy
stuff on CERN, but it's reallyweird that they have the Hindu

(57:00):
goddess, shiva, the goddess ofdestruction, okay, outside of
the CERN facility and there havebeen videos of them doing just
weird rituals around that statueand all this kind of stuff.
I mean it's just really weird.
But all that to say this thereis okay, activity trying to

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access higher dimensions thanwhat mankind is meant to access,
even in our world today.
So I believe that what happenedthen, is something along the
line of what happened at theTower of Babel.
It was a technological theywere trying to break through.
They were trying to somehowaccess a dimension that they

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were forbidden from accessing,and God put an end to it.
That's my thought on it, that'smy belief on it.
I may not know all the ins andouts of the wording of what's
going on in today's world, butthere's some weird stuff going
on.

Matt (57:58):
Oh, yeah, yeah, and you generally have the stated intent
with anything to do withgovernment and science.
And then you have the secondaryintent.

Brandon (58:09):
Right, right.
You know what I have thesecondary intent.
Right, right.

Matt (58:14):
You know what I'm saying?

Brandon (58:14):
Yep, Yep, so there's so they can always have plausible
deniability that, yeah, we'rejust using it for this.

Matt (58:21):
But then there's Most people Right, doesn't matter
where you're at what you'redoing have an ulterior motive
for something Right, whateverthey're doing.
An ulterior motive forsomething right, whatever
they're doing right you don't dosomething without a motive to
do it?
Yeah, so what that motive is,who knows?

Brandon (58:42):
that's right.
That's right.
Well, guys, we are going toleave it there.
Tonight, we are going to stopat the tower of babel, but just
to set you up for the nextepisode, what we're going to
talk about.
We're going to pick up at theTower of Babel and we're going
to show you that God confoundedthe languages, but we're also
going to show you that Godstopped being those people's God

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for lack of a better term andgave them over to other, lesser
gods, if you will.
And then we're going to showyou how, that in our time, he is
actively reclaiming the nationsand bringing them back to
himself.
So don't miss the next episode.

Matt (59:25):
Very interesting, but we're going to leave it there
for tonight.
You baited them real good,right there.

Brandon (59:30):
I baited them real good .
Yeah, that's a little teaser.
Well, this has been the BibleSays Podcast, and I'm Brandon
Matheson.
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