E18 - Beyond the Flood: Cosmic Geology | Babel, Pentecost, and Spiritual Battles | Part 2 - The Bible Says Podcast

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Brandon (00:21):
All right, welcome back to the Bible Says Podcast,
episode number 18.
And we want to welcome you backin tonight to discuss the Bible
a little further.
As always, this is I'm BrandonMatheson and this is Matt Hunter
, and so this is our tag teamhere on the Bible says podcast.

(00:43):
That we haven't said in thelast few weeks.
But, um, our the Bible sayspodcast is a is a platform where
we look at um deeply heldreligious beliefs and we see if
they pass the Bible smell test.
Uh, we just want to see if whatI believe and what you believe
lines up with Scripture, becauseScripture is our supreme

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authority, because God wrote itand God's our supreme authority.
Some people say well, isScripture the authority or is
Jesus the authority or is Godthe authority?
You're saying the same thingJesus is the Word.
He wrote the scripture,theonoustos, god breathed them
out.
Maybe we'll talk about that,the authority of scripture,
because there's a movementunderway even in evangelical

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churches, and I've even seensome of our mega churches have
this argument do we listen toscripture or do we listen to
Jesus?
Well, how do you even know whoJesus is without scripture?
You know?

Matt (01:44):
Yeah, they're taking it a little further than that.
There's some that are do welisten to the scripture or do we
listen to our prophet?

Brandon (01:51):
Oh yeah, that we have.
I feel, some episodes coming on.

Matt (01:55):
Yeah, we can probably do a few on that, yeah.

Brandon (01:59):
Yeah, people, or yeah, your dreams and your visions and
your thoughts and what yourprophet said, and all this kind
of stuff, and God told me, andall that kind of stuff.
What, if God, there's nothingwrong with that.
God told Daniel.
So God told me, so it's thesame right?
Well, no, it's really not so,um yeah not the same.

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Now I've thought God told mesome things before and and it
turned out it was just like badMexican food.
So I don't know, uh, could befood poisoning?
Yeah, could be.
Now God can speak.
Don't get me wrong, I'm beinglighthearted and flip it a
little bit, but I've met somepeople who take everything that

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they feel that God is saying tothem.
They take it as literally asthe Bible, and around here we do
not do that.
The Bible says okay.
The Bible says the Bible is therevealed revelation that God
wanted us to have.
If he had wanted you to writepart of it, I promise you you
would have it always worries mewhen somebody comes up and I've

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got a word for you.
Yeah.

Matt (03:09):
And every week they've got a word for you.

Brandon (03:12):
Right, no, I got you, but never have a word for
themselves.

Matt (03:17):
Yeah, you have to use a.
There's this spiritual giftcalled discernment.

Brandon (03:23):
Right, and sometimes you're like, okay, this person
is from God.
And then you're like sometimesthis person has got an angle or
they're just full of something,something.
Yeah, so, matt, we are going topick up.

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We gave a little teaser lastweek for the Bible Says Podcast
that you can find atthebiblesayspodcastcom, forward,
slash, share and you can seeall the avenues, that you can
get it and share with yourfriends and subscribe and like
and all that stuff.
But we had a wonderfulconversation last week that led
up and ended with the Tower ofBabel week that led up and ended

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with the Tower of Babel andjust the mysterious
circumstances around Noah andwhat happened after the flood
when he got drunk and all thatkind of stuff.
And then the mysteriouscircumstances of Nimrod becoming
a mighty man, founding a cityby the name of Babel.
They're trying to access, maybeeven by a portal or some kind
of technological advancement,the realm of god, for lack of

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better term, uh, and then godsaying this is a problem and
confounding their language andand really just changing things.

Matt (04:37):
I mean, it's, this is either accessing the realm of
god or wanting to become God.

Brandon (04:42):
Right, right.
So we saw this and and there'sa lot of context we've said
before If you don't understandGenesis one through 12, you're
not going to understand the restof your Bible.
You're getting the highlights.
You're seeing who who's in thegame.
You're seeing the teams thatare playing against each other,
the good versus the evil, thelight versus the darkness.

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You are seeing all of that playout and you're beginning to
understand why.
So we know the reason for theflood.
Now we have seen that God isnot going to allow mankind to
stay in the same place, have thesame language.
He wants the earth to be filled, he wants it to be worshipers
of him, he wants it to be filledand used for what he wanted to

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be used for.
Well, mankind refused.
At the Tower of Babel, theysaid we don't want to disperse,
we want to stay together.
One language, one, this one,that.
So it was a one-world system.
And God said no, that's notwhat I said.
And so what did he do?
He came down, he stopped theirtechnological advancement and he
confounded their language andhe forcibly dispersed them or

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scattered them.
Verse 8 of chapter 11 says sothe Lord scattered them abroad
from thence, upon the face ofall the earth and they left off
to build the city.
Okay, so that is the story ofthe Tower of Babel, and we threw
out some you know some teasers,that there's some you know some

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more research you can do on it,nimrod, things like that.
If you want to read some extrabiblical books, okay, but we
know that God came down andconfounded their language.
Now, one of the things that wewant to get to next is so God
scattered them forcibly.
And then I want to show youwhat that looked like.

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God scattered them, but then Isaid last week that God stopped
being their God, and that maysound very alien to your ears
when you say, well, god stoppedbeing their God.
Well, how do we know this?
Okay, I want to show you a veryinteresting passage of
Scripture, and maybe Matt canpull it up.

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I want to pull it up.
I'll read it in the KJV.
Why don't you find it in theESV, which is a more modern
translation that takes intoeffect the Dead Sea Scrolls and
things like that?
So I want to read to youDeuteronomy, chapter number 32.
Deuteronomy 32 and verse number8 and 9.
Deuteronomy 32, verse 8 and 9.

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And I want to read it to you inthe King James Version first,
and then I want to read it toyou in a more modern translation
Deuteronomy, chapter number 32,verse 8 and 9.
Notice this language here.
It says when the Most Highdivided to the nations their
inheritance, when he separatedthe sons of Adam, he set the

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bounds of the people accordingto the number of the children of
Israel, for the Lord's portionis his people, jacob is the lot
of his inheritance.
Now what this passage says?
It says that God divided to thenations their inheritance okay,
and he separated the sons ofAdam.

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Now, if you look contextually,biblically, when did God give
the nations their inheritanceand divide the sons of God?
Or divide, I'm sorry the sonsof Adam?
Okay, when did he do that?
There's only one candidate inbiblical history for that event.
There's only one event that canbe that candidate, and that is

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the Tower of Babel.
That is when God divided andseparated the sons of Adam.
We just read about it the Towerof Babel.
God forcibly dispersed andscattered who?
The descendants of Adam, allthe way to Noah, and Noah, shem,
him and Japheth down, and wegot the genealogy in chapter 10.

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These are the sons of Adam, andGod forcibly dispersed them and
divided them.
The Bible says theirinheritance.
Now watch this.
And he set the bounds, or theboundaries of the people
according to the number of thechildren of Israel.
For the Lord's portion is hispeople, jacob is the lot of his
inheritance.
So what God did was heseparated the sons of Adam at

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the Tower of Babel, divided thenations, their inheritance, and
he divided by boundary,according to the Bible says in
the King James Version.
Here it says according to thenumber of in the King James
Version.
Here it says according to thenumber of the children of Israel
.
Now the reason I say that isbecause I want Matt to read the
same scripture, deuteronomy 32,8 and 9 in the ESV.

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Now the ESV is a moderntranslation that puts it in
English that we would speak, youand I today, more modern
version of English and not theye's and the thou's and all that
kind of stuff.
But the ESV also takes intoeffect that in the 1940s there
was a discovery made in Qumranin Israel of the Dead Sea

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Scrolls, which turned out to besome of the most ancient
manuscripts that we havetextually to prove the Old
Testament and to sure up anydoubt that may have persisted
whether the Word of God has beenmessed with or manipulated by
man, and what we found out isthat, from the time of Christ,

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these manuscripts, they haven'tchanged.
Okay, they haven't changed.
So you can trust the OldTestament.
That's why we want to take intoaccount the Dead Sea Scrolls,
and I want you to see this,because the Dead Sea Scrolls,
when you translate them here, iswhat it reads Deuteronomy 32, 8
and 9.

Matt (10:39):
Okay, Okay, when the Most High gave to the nations their
inheritance.
When he divided mankind, hefixed the borders of the people
according to the number of thesons of God.

Brandon (10:51):
Okay.
So he divided the nations, hegave them their inheritance, but
it says that he fixed theborders or he divided their
boundaries, as the King Jamessays.
Notice this big differencebetween the KJV and the ESV.
It says he divided theirboundaries according to the
number of the children of Israelin the KJV, but in what Matt
just read, he divided themaccording to what Sons of God?

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According to the number of thesons of God.
Now that should send alarmbells in our mind going off,
because the sons of Israel andthe sons of God are two
different things.
So in the Old Testament, whenyou see that phrase B'nei Ha
Elohim, sons of God, you mustthink what Angels, angels?

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Okay.
So if I translate that hedivided it according to the
number of the children of Israeland then the number of the
angels.
That leads me to a big, big,big difference in the KJV and
the ESV.
Okay.

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Now the crazy thing is is thatthey had the same manuscript.
It says if you go to the Hebrewin the Textus Receptus, which
they translated in the KJV, whenyou go and you study that out,
it says B'nei Ha'Elohim.
But it didn't make sense.
So they said Sons of Israel.

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They changed it.
They changed it to Israelbecause it didn't make sense.
But it didn't make sensebecause they didn't understand
Genesis 6.
Yeah, if you understand Genesis6, it makes complete sense.

Matt (12:28):
Well see, and to me, the sons of Israel.
Translation doesn't make senseat all.
Because, Because Jacob didn'thave any sons yet.

Brandon (12:40):
Well, the Tower of Babel, right?
Abraham, isaac, jacob, jacobhas the 12 sons, so it's long
before Jacob, no matter wherethe timeline is.
So it is in the days of Abrahamthat the Tower of Babel happens
, okay, or right before, orright after, you know, I mean
it's during his lifetime orright before his lifetime, okay.

Matt (13:01):
Actually it's right before his well as his lifetime
happens, because literally afterthe tower of babel right, what
does?

Brandon (13:08):
god do.
Well, contextually it, ifyou're chronologically reading
the bible, the tower of babelhappens then abraham's chosen,
but it is.
It is completely possible thatthey happen simultaneously,
because if you have nimrod aliveat the same time as Esau, you
would have to have Abraham Isaacand Jacob and Esau being born.

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So nonetheless, it's at leastduring the time or right prior
to the time you have the Towerof Babel.
Okay, so, but the point is, isthat Israel, jacob, has not had
his name changed to Israel.
None of that's happened.
So there is no nation of Israel.
Okay, there's no sons of Jacob.

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There is no the children ofIsrael.
So the King James translationthere does not make sense.
Okay.
But when you factor in the DeadSea Scrolls and it's B'nei
Ha'Elohim, notice what it wouldsay.
Now read that.
So read that last part of versenumber 8 again, where it says
and just use the word angelinstead of sons of God.

Matt (14:13):
And he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the
number of the angels.

Brandon (14:17):
Okay.
So he fixed the bordersaccording to the number of the
sons of God, or the angels slashangels.
So he fixed the borders of thepeople that he scattered.
So let's think about what he'ssaying here.
He is saying that he took theearth and divided it up and made
boundaries, carved it up howGod wanted to, and he gave

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people, people, groups, intothose boundaries and forcibly
scattered them, gave them theirinheritance.
What's their inheritance?
That land?
There you go.
But he also gave them an angelto be over that boundary
territory.
Does that make sense?
That's what that verse issaying.

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Okay, now let me say this Ifyou want to really dive into
this great book, highlyrecommend it.
The Unseen Realm by MichaelHeiser.
God rest his soul, who is inheaven now.
Michael Heiser wrote the UnseenRealm and he goes into depth.
He is a Hebrew textual scholar.
He read and wrote onlyscholarly things.

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He knows what he's talkingabout and he will tell you.
He has a term that he usescosmic geography.
Cosmic geography, where he saidthat God divided up and placed
over certain parts of this earth, and it's based on what he
calls a Deuteronomy 32 worldview.
He goes into way more detail onthis topic than we will ever go

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into.
Okay, and he is solid on this.
Okay, I may not agree witheverything hook, line and sinker
that he taught and believed,but this dude is straight on
this.
Okay, and you need to read it.
If you have not read that book,the Unseen Realm, dr Michael
Heiser okay, and he will showyou that this scripture is

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completely true, saying that Godplaced angelic beings over
certain boundaries of this earthand forcibly scattered the
nations into those boundaries.
Now, what does that mean?
That means okay.
That's why I said last week Godstopped being their God, those

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who rejected him.
Did you know that you can sayno to God, no to God, no to God,
no to God, to the point whereGod's like okay, you don't want
me anymore, I'll give you whatyou want.
So he gave them something otherthan himself.
Okay, because that's what theywanted.
But then the very next versesays what does verse nine say?

Matt (16:53):
But the Lord's portion is his people, Jacob, his allotted
heritage.
I love how that says that.

Brandon (16:59):
But the Lord's portion is his people, his allotted
heritage, jacob, yeah, okay.
So what is read eight and ninein the esv?
It says god divided the nationsgiven their inheritance, and he
gave angels to rule over thoseboundaries.
But the lord's allottedheritage is jacob and he chose

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jacob, okay and that there isthe divine name, not just the
Lord.

Matt (17:27):
This is Yod-Heh-Vav-Heh.
This is the most high, thespecific, most high.
God, his heritage.

Brandon (17:38):
Yep, so the most high chose Jacob, okay, and we know
that.
When, at the time of the Towerof Babel, okay, god forcibly
dispersed the people and hechose who Abraham or Abram, who
became Abraham, who had a sonnamed Isaac, who had a son named
Jacob, all right.
Who had his name changed toIsrael, all right.

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So what you have is God sayingnow just back up and think about
what God's doing here.
He's saying you don't want menations, so I'm going to
forcibly disperse you from theTower of Babel.
I'm going to put other gods,lesser divine beings, if you
will, okay, or spiritual beingsI should say, not divine beings,

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but spiritual beings over you.
So he gave them other gods toworship.
Now I had a scripture just popinto my head Go ahead, matt.

Matt (18:34):
And think about what he said at the Tower of the Bible
Let us go down Right andconfound their language.
That's right.
So more than one going down toconfound their language.
And then you've got text herein deuteronomy 32 saying that he
divided it up amongst the sonsof god that's right.

Brandon (18:57):
That's right now.
Also notice this.
Deuteronomy, chapter 4, versenumber 19.
Let me read this to you.
This is moses warning israel toonly worship God, because
Israel belongs to God.
Guys, what do we call Israel?
They are God's chosen people.
Okay, when did he choose them?

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Why do we say that God's chosenpeople?
I'll tell you exactly when hechose them.
He chose them when he rejectedeverybody else and he dispersed
everybody else.
And what did he do?
He chose Jacob.
Now listen to Moses inDeuteronomy four, verse 19,.
And lest thou lift up thineeyes unto heaven, and when thou

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seest the sun and the moon andthe stars, even all the host of
heaven, that's angels.
Okay, should us be driven toworship them and serve them,
which the Lord, thy God, hathdivided all nations under the
whole heaven?

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So verse number four ofDeuteronomy, deuteronomy four,
verse number 19, says that youdo not worship the sun, the moon
, the stars, the host of heaven,but God divided up the whole
earth, the whole heaven, underthe host of heaven.

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Okay, serve them, which theLord, thy God, hath divided into
all nations under the wholeheaven.
Under the whole heaven, god hasdivided up geographically and
placed angelic beings, host ofheaven, over those places and he

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forcibly scattered the peopleinto them and he chose Israel.
They're his chosen people.
So God basically said you guysdon't want me, okay, that's fine
.
So he divorced himself fromthose people and said I don't
want, you don't want me, so youdon't have to have me, but I'll
choose me somebody who does.
And who does he choose?
Genesis 12,.
Who does he choose?
He chooses a guy by the name ofAbram, abram who becomes

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Abraham.
Okay, so now you know Abram,who becomes Abraham.
Okay, so now you know thebackstory to Father.
Abraham had many sons, right,many sons had Father Abraham.
Why is he the father?
He's the father of a new nation.
I'll make you a great nation,follow me.
Why is he choosing Abraham atthat point in history?

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He's choosing him because atthe Tower of Babel, they
rejected him in the land ofShinar and they rejected the
things of God.
Now I want to give you a coupleexamples of cosmic geography.
Okay, I want to show you acouple examples in your Bible.
We'll just take you to Daniel10, and we'll show you this just
to drive home this point.
And if you want to learn moreabout that, get Michael Heiser's
book the Unseen Realm.

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Highly recommend it.
You can listen to it on Audibleor things like that as well.
Daniel, chapter number 10 talksabout some cosmic geography or
some.
There's all kinds of examplesto this.

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There really is.
There's a lot that gets to this.
There really is.
There's a lot that gets intothis cosmic geography thing.
I want to show you verse number.
Let me see here number 12.
This is Daniel praying andwaiting for God to answer his
prayer.
Okay.
Then said he unto me okay, fearnot Daniel.

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Okay.
So this is an angel that comesback to Daniel as he's praying
and says fear not, daniel, forfrom the first day that thou
didst set thine heart tounderstand and to chasten
thyself before thy God, thywords were heard and I am come
for thy words.
Okay, so the angel is there toanswer his prayer and there for

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his words, and because of hiswords, it's actually been 21
days since he prayed the prayer.
If you read the entire book orchapter of Daniel, but watch why
the delay in the angelanswering his prayer and coming
for his prayer?
Watch this.
This shows you spiritual warfare.
But the prince of the kingdomof Persia withstood me one and

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20 days Now hold on.
An angel just told Daniel thathe heard his prayer and they
were coming for his prayer 21days before, but he had been
fighting for the last 21 dayswith the prince of the kingdom

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of Persia.
Okay, the prince of the kingdomof Persia.
Now keep in mind who's talkinghere.
An angel sent from God issaying I've been battling with
another prince.
What is that?
It is a principality Ephesians6, for we wrestle not against
flesh and blood, but againstprincipalities and powers and

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rulers of the darkness of thisworld and spiritual wickedness
in high places.
That means heavenly, celestialplaces.
You are not wrestling againstDemocrats and Republicans.
You are wrestling againstspiritual wickedness in high
places, and the highest place, Iwould argue, is principalities.

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There are princes that ruleover certain geographic areas in
this earth.
This angel has been fightingagainst the prince of Persia.
What is Persia?
It is what we know of as todayIran.
Okay, okay, you mean to tell me,brandon, that over iran is a is

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a uh, wicked, uh, other godthat they're actually working
worshiping, and that is histerritory?
Yeah, that's what I'm tellingyou.
That's why those people areflipping crazy, okay, that's why
they're saying death to israeland death to america, and that's
why they blow people up andthey create nuclear weapons to
go after Israel and they hateGod.
Why do they hate God?
Because they are geographicallyruled by an entity who is the

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prince of Persia.
They always have and they stillare.
By the way, we could spend therest of our time here.
Okay, when the Philistinesstole the Ark of the Covenant
and took it, okay, to theirhomeland and they put it in the
temple of their God.

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And the next day, okay, theycame in and their, their God had
fallen over on his face, bowingdown to the Ark of the Covenant
.
Remember that.
And then the next day, what wasit?
It was like the hands and itwas just a stump left of him,
his hands and his head were cutoff.
They set back up their God andthe next day it was his hands

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and his head.
I can't remember.
I think, it was his hands andhis head.
Either way, he's fallen over,okay, again, and it's the stump
of him fallen over in front ofthe Lord.
Where was that?
That was in a place that wewould know now as the Gaza Strip
.
That is where that happened.
That's where they took the Arkof the Covenant and you know

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what the story says that fromthat day on, they gave the ark
back ultimately in the storybecause they didn't want it
there, because so many weird andfreaky stuff was happening,
right, and you know what theydid.
They stepped over that spotwhere that happened, because
they say that the God of Israelreclaimed that land and that's

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no longer there.
So they will step over thatpiece of ground.
Yeah, go read the story.
Yeah, okay, why?
Because it's cosmic geography.
I love michael heiser's littleterm there cosmic geography.
It is geographic locations thatare that are ruled over by
other entities and when godtakes them back, they're forever

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, forever, his Okay.
So they step over that.
There are, okay.
Let me just show you a couplemore Daniel 10, okay, same
conversation.
Verse number 20, it says thensaid he knowest thou wherefore I
come unto thee, and now will Ireturn to fight with the Prince
of Persia.
So this angel had to fight 21days to get to Daniel, and now

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he's got to leave and fight thePrince of Persia again to get
out.
Okay, this is spiritual warfare, like right there on your pages
of your Bible.
And he says and when I am goneforth, lo, the prince of Grisha
shall come.
So there's a prince of Persia,iran, and there's a prince of
Greece, okay, grisha.
But look at verse number 21.
It says but I will show thee.

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This is Daniel.
10 still, but I will show theethat which is noted in the
scripture of truth, and there isnone that holdeth with me in
these things.
Watch this.
But Michael, your prince, youknow who the prince of Israel is
.
Is Michael?
Okay, he is the principalitythat rules over, or or

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administrates over, israel, andwho are those?
That is the most highest people?

Matt (28:14):
Yeah, okay, the most highest people and and you see
that several times in scripturewhere, okay, like Michael is
fighting with Satan over Moses'sbody.

Brandon (28:27):
Why do you think that is?
I get that a lot and I'm oftenwondering.
I never have had a good answeron that.

Matt (28:31):
I don't have a good answer for it.
I just know that when thepeople of God seem to be
fighting with spiritual side,Michael shows up.

Brandon (28:44):
Michael shows up.
Okay.
Gabriel shows up with themessages.
Michael shows up to fight.
Gabriel shows up with themessages.
Michael shows up to fight.
Yeah For Israel.

Matt (28:53):
Yeah, okay, uh what it seems like anyway.

Brandon (28:56):
It's crazy.
I wonder if um, yeah, I uh it's, it's absolutely crazy
Somebody's fighting for Israel.

Matt (29:03):
Well, and?
And then you go back to whenthe Babylonians are coming to
invade Israel and one angelcomes out and dispatches 180,000
people.

Brandon (29:15):
Is that the Amalekites?
I think so, and it says Ialways love the King James
Version.
It says in the morning, 180,000Amalekites woke up dead.
Basically is what it says.
It doesn't say thatspecifically, but it always made
me in the morning when theywoke up, they were gone.
What it says.
It doesn't say that, but italways made me in the morning
when I woke up, they were gone.

Matt (29:31):
It's like what If I don't wake up dead?

Brandon (29:37):
We're just giving you a couple tidbits that show you
that God dispersed the peoplefrom the Tower of Babel, divided
up the nations and putdifferent principalities and
princes, who were the sons ofGod, the host of heaven, in
charge of those places.
So even to this day, there areplaces on this earth that are
geographically under thejurisdiction of other gods, even

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to this day.

Matt (30:03):
The people are going to argue with you and say that it
doesn't say that there wereother gods.

Brandon (30:07):
It says the.
What do you mean?
Well, there are other Elohim,Exactly, exactly Other Elohim.
And then you can argue over it.
Go read Heiser's book on Elohim, he'll straighten you out on
that.

Matt (30:19):
Yeah, that'll straighten you out real quick, because
Listen.

Brandon (30:23):
Elohim is the word God, okay, but Elohim okay.
I'm going to let some of you inon a little secret.
God is not God's name.
Yeah, god's not his first nameon his driver's license.

(30:43):
Nope, right.

Matt (30:45):
Yep, and we hit that in that verse just a minute ago.

Brandon (30:48):
Okay, what did, it say, it said the most high Elohim in
Hebrew, the most high Elohim.
All right, you are not to.
Uh, there's.
We could do a whole series onthis.
The word Elohim, elohim meansspiritual being.

(31:10):
Yeah, okay, it is.
It.
Is somebody in the spiritualsense a spiritual being?
Okay, god is a spiritual being?
Yep, but he's not like theother angels.
He's not like.
He's not like the other Elohim.
He's not like the other Elohimor the seraphim.
He is the most high Elohim.

(31:31):
Yeah, he is a spiritual being,but he is okay.
I love how Heiser says this.
He says God is an Elohim, butno other Elohim is God like the
most high God.
Okay, Give you just a quickexample, just off my head.
When Samuel dies okay, Samueldies Saul goes to the witch of

(31:51):
Endor because God stops talkingto him.
He goes to a witch to conjureup I hate that word, it makes me
cringe okay, conjure upSamuel's spirit so he could talk
to Samuel, because God wouldn'ttalk to it.
He goes in.
This witch doesn't know it'sSaul.
He disguises himself becauseit's against the law, punishable

(32:12):
by death, to be a witch by thedecree of Saul.
Okay, but Saul goes to a witchat Endor and what does she do?
She conjures up Samuel's spirit.
Why?
Because that's entirelyflippant, possible.
Okay, which ought to scare youto death when you dabble in the
occult black magic, uh,Luciferian stuff.

(32:35):
You got to be careful.
Okay, the movies you watch, thegames you play, the Ouija board
you mess around with.
Why?
Because it is entirely possiblethat you were going to connect
to something that is very, veryreal.
Saul asked this witch to conjureup Samuel, who just has
recently died.
And guess what she does.
And what does he say?
Okay, he says to her what doyou see?

(32:55):
Tell me what you see.
And she said I see an Elohimcoming up.
What was Samuel?
At that point, he was an Elohim.
What was he?
He's a spiritual Samuel.
At that point, he was an Elohim.
What was he?
He's a spiritual being.
At that point, she calls him up.
I could give you over and overand over and over.

Matt (33:15):
It was bad enough that it freaked the witch out.

Brandon (33:17):
Yeah, it freaked her out.
Psalm 82 says it's Godaddressing.
You got it Psalm 82?
Yeah, you were already ahead ofme.
I was working on it.

Matt (33:28):
Read Psalm 82, because it says about Elohim, god standeth
in the congregation of themighty.
He judges among the gods.

Brandon (33:39):
Hold on.
God standeth in thecongregation of the mighty Okay
and he judget congregation ofthe mighty Okay and he judgeth
among the gods.
The Hebrew word there is ElohimGod judges among the gods.

Matt (33:57):
That's what your Bible says Literally Elohim judges
among the Elohim.

Brandon (34:05):
And it says that he's gathered in the congregation of
the mighty.
Okay, this is what many callthat.
There's a council that God usesto run the universe, and it's
called the divine council.
God, he divides out anddisperses and divvies out

(34:28):
responsibility.
Okay, there's a story in theBible Okay, who is it?
Ahab?
The Bible says it came time forAhab to die.
And God said how are we goingto kill him?
First of all, who's we?
God is talking to his counsel.

(34:49):
Okay, how are we going to killAhab?
And it says Actually, it sayshe's in the counsel.
Yes, it says a spirit respondsand says I will go.
I got an idea.
Here's how we can kill him.
I will go and I'll be a lyingspirit.
That's what it says.
An idea here's how we can killhim.
I will go and I'll be a lyingspirit.
That's what it says In hisadvisor's mouth.

(35:13):
I will get his advisors to givehim bad advice and they'll
convince him to go to war.
And then somebody can kill himin the war.
And that's how Ahab died.
Okay, why?
Because God's divine counseldecreed it, yeah, and they came
up with the idea and God's likeokay, let's go with that.
I like that.
Go, make it happen and hedelegated responsibility.
I know that's not how you thinkGod works, but the Bible says

(35:38):
that's how God works.

Matt (35:39):
There's a lot of stuff in the Bible that people don't like
the way it works.

Brandon (35:44):
Which is why we have a podcast called the Bible Says
Podcast.
Right, the Bible Says.
So what's our point?
Our point is God dispersed thenations, tower of Babel divided
them up and gave them other sonsof God, beneha, elohim, angels,
for lack of a better word torule over them, and God chose

(36:07):
Abraham.
Okay, now I want to show youActs, chapter number two.
Acts, chapter number two.
Because I want to show youbecause some of you, if you're
like me, you're going to have aproblem with what I just said
that God has divided up part ofhis created universe to other
gods Okay, up part of hiscreated universe to other gods

(36:29):
okay, who are fighting againstthe prince of Persia, prince of
Greece, fighting against theways of God and the things of
God.
They're fighting against it,okay, well, god made this.
So what in the world is goingon here?
Well, I want to reassure youthat God is not going to allow
his universe to be ruled over byanyone but him forever, and

(36:54):
that is the purpose, one of thepurposes, for Jesus Christ
coming, the Son of God coming,the divine God in the flesh,
emmanuel coming.
Yes, he died to shed his bloodto save us from our sin and to
take us to heaven when we die,and all that.
But let me tell you something.
There is so much more going onin the story of the gospel.

(37:20):
Okay, what is the story of thegospel?
The story of the gospel is thatGod became man and died to take
away sin.
And what is he going to do?
He is going to come the firsttime to take away sin.
He's going to declare freedomto the captive Isaiah 61.
Okay, he's going to do that.
But there's two propheciesIsaiah 61.

(37:41):
He's not only going to do that,but he's also going to come a
second time to bring vengeanceand to set things right and to
put down evil in the world.
So he not only came to save us,but he also came to bring
vengeance and a sword.
Okay, all right.
This is what people didn'tunderstand when Jesus came the
first time.

(38:01):
They thought he's here to be apolitical leader.
So some of his followers werelike why, when are you going to
be king?
And he's like I'm not there yet, okay, and he read Isaiah 61,
remember, in Nazareth, and hestopped at a certain point
because it wasn't time to takevengeance and to be the warrior,
yet it was time to come as thelamb.
Okay, so that is all what'sgoing on in the gospel story.

(38:25):
Well, what happens?
Jesus dies on the cross threenights later, rises from the
dead.
He spends about 50 days here onthis earth being seen by over
500 eyewitnesses to hisresurrection who saw him, talked
to him, ate with him, touchedhim, prayed with him, learned
from him, went through thescriptures with him.
I mean, it's just awesome,those 50 days.

(38:47):
Okay.
Then what happens?
There is a day that we say thechurch started right, the day of
Pentecost.
Okay, the day of Pentecost is,the Pentecost means 50, all
right, and what they did wasthey counted 50 days from the
Passover.
So they would count 50 daysfrom the Sunday after Passover.

(39:12):
They call it the counting ofthe Omer.
So they go 49 days plus one,and that's 50.
And 50 is very symbolic, justlike seven is, so seven, sevens
is 49.
The very next day is the day ofPentecost.
They have a big feast.
It's one of the seven feasts ofIsrael.
Okay, pentecost, shavuot, ifI'm not mistaken.

(39:34):
Okay, okay, so that happens.
Okay, in the summertime, okay,you have the spring feast, you
have the fall feast and then youhave Shavuot.
In the middle, mostly in thesummertime, it's the barley
harvest, okay, so we havePentecost, and Acts, chapter 2,

(39:56):
tells the story of Pentecost.
Now, listen to this verycarefully.
It says verse number 1,.
And when the day of Pentecostwas fully come, they were notice
this, all with one accord, inone place, okay, and suddenly
there came a sound from heavenas of a rushing mighty wind and
it filled all the house wherethey were sitting.
Now this is talking about the120 people who are believers in

(40:20):
Jesus, who are in an upper roompraying, waiting for the Holy
Spirit to show up so they couldbegin their work on behalf of
Jesus.
That's what he told them to dowait for the Comforter, the
Promised One, notice what itsays.
And there appeared unto themcloven tongues, like as of fire,
and it sat upon each of themand they were all filled with

(40:43):
the Holy Ghost and began tospeak with other tongues as the
Spirit gave them utterance".
Now, some people get freakedout when you hear the word
tongues.
Okay, now, there's differenttongues in the Bible there's, 1
Corinthians, 12 tongues.
There's unknown tongues.
There's tongues of men, ofangels 1 Corinthians, 13.
Then there's Acts, chapter 2,okay, what happened here is you

(41:06):
had 120 people gathered in anupper room and the Holy Spirit
shows up and, supernaturally,these people receive another
language coming out of theirmouth that they do not know.
Okay, it is not an unknownlanguage on earth.
It is not like an angeliclanguage, not a prayer language,

(41:27):
something like that in Acts,chapter number two.
What is it?
It is a known language thatthey did not speak.
The people who are speaking it?
Okay, how do I know that?
It goes on.
It says and there were dwellingat Jerusalem, Jews, devout, men,
out of notice.
This, every nation under heaven.

(41:49):
Okay, every nation under heaven.
So it just so happens that onthe day of Pentecost, there are
people from all over the world,and when I say all over the
world, all over the world, everynation is what the Bible says.
Okay, now remember, keep all ofthis in mind.
With Tower of Babel, tower ofBabel, god spread everybody out

(42:09):
into all the nations.
That's how the nations becamethe nations.
Okay, they were of one speechand God confounded their speech,
and now there are multiplespeeches everywhere.
Well, on the day of Pentecost,what happened?
There are people from everynation, okay, and they're all in
Jerusalem, and 120 people whoknow the Lord are empowered by

(42:31):
the Holy Spirit and they startspeaking in other tongues or
other languages known languages.
Now, watch this.
How do I know it was a knownlanguage?
Verse 6,.

(42:51):
Now, when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together
and were confounded because thatevery man heard them speak in
his own language.
So it would be like having 120people in a room and who all
spoke English.
And then somebody over here inthe 120 starts speaking
Vietnamese and another startsspeaking Chinese, mandarin
Chinese, then another over herestarts speaking Hebrew, another
over here starts speaking Arabic, another over here starts

(43:11):
speaking English, another overhere starts speaking Spanish,
another over here starts, and itgoes on and 120 different
languages being spoken.
And then it creates such a buzzin town that people start
coming out of the woodwork andeverybody gathers around these
people saying what in the worldare they doing?
It's like a supernatural thing.

(43:32):
They're just spouting out thisstuff.
And then it's like whoa, I hearsomething.
Hey, I hear my language beingspoken and I'm not from here.
And they start gravitating tothe person that's speaking their
language and watch what it saysin verse 7, and they were all
amazed and marveled, saying oneto another behold, are not all
these which speak Galileans?
So all these people are fromIsrael who are speaking, and

(43:55):
they're from Galilee.
They're from the Galilee.
How are we hearing our language, because I'm from hundreds of
miles away from here.
How am I hearing my language?
And here's verse 8, and howhear we?
Every man in our own tonguewherein we were born.
And it gives a list.
It says Parthians and Medes andElamites and the dwellers in
Mesopotamia and in Judea andCappadocia and Pontus and Asia,

(44:16):
phrygia and Pamphylia and Egypt,and then the parts of Libya
about Cyrene and strangers ofRome, jews and proselytes,
cretes and Arabians.
So it's like da, da, da, da da.
All these people gather aroundthese 120 believers and they're
like how in the world am Ihearing my language from back
home, spoken Okay, and watchwhat happens.
We do hear them speak in ourtongues, the wonderful works of

(44:40):
God.
And they were all amazed andwere in doubt, saying one to
another what meaneth this?
Others, mocking, said these menare full of new wine.
But what, what?
What's what happened?
But Peter, standing up with the11, lifted up his voice and
said unto them and you read therest of Acts, chapter two, and
it is Peter's message that Jesusis Lord.

(45:01):
Jesus is the Christ.
Jesus was killed, died on thecross for your sins Okay.
And you, jews?
You, what did you do?
You were consenting unto hisdeath and you didn't realize
that he was the son of God.
Come to save you and watch whathappens.
He preaches the message of Jesus.
Who did he preach it to?

(45:21):
On Acts, chapter two, hepreached it to the entire world.
And what was the message?
Believe in Jesus and make himyour God.
So what's the message of theday of Pentecost?
Listen to me.
The reason I tell you all thisis this At the Tower of Babel,
god forcibly scattered everyoneand confounded their language.
On the day of Pentecost, it wasGod's signal to the world and

(45:47):
to every tongue and every nationand every God of those nations,
that I want my people back andthe uniting message to bring
them back is the gospel of JesusChrist.
Come home.
And he spoke with one voice andone language to every language.

(46:08):
So the Tower of Babel dispersedand confounded.
The day of Pentecost broughtall the nations back together
and brought all languages backtogether around the cause of
Jesus Christ.
It is a reverse, reverse Towerof Babel event.
It is the day of Pentecost.
In Acts, chapter number two.

(46:29):
Yep, it's fascinating stuff.

Matt (46:34):
It's wild that literally from back at the beginning ties
all back in in the New Testament.
That's right.
I mean 66 books, 40-somethingauthors.
You can't make that up.

Brandon (46:53):
Yep, what do they say?
66 books, 40-something authors,over 1,500 years, and it fits
like hand in glove.
There's no contradictions in it.
This is a God book and therehas been a war since creation,
satan coming after Adam and Eve.
Okay, and he's come after themand he's tried to trip them up.

(47:16):
He's tried to destroy them, hetried to kill them and when they
sinned and they fell, he said Igot them, but God forgave them
and made coats of skin for them.
And Satan got really ticked offbecause God forgave them.
God forgave them and wouldn'tforgive him and didn't forgive
him.
So what did he do?

(47:39):
He come up with the seed war,genesis 6, and the angels.
They try to destroy the genomeof what will destroy humanity by
interbreeding with it andmaking it something that God
didn't want it to be.
And then you have God wipingeverybody out and then, after
the flood, saying let's startagain and you go disperse.
And then mankind saying no, Idon't want it again, and God's
saying you want another, god Go.
And then I'm going to chooseAbraham.
And then God chose his chosenpeople and it become the nation

(48:01):
of Israel and you have all theseother nations following other
gods, but the gospel of JesusChrist is a call to bring
everybody back to the one trueGod, the most high God.
I mean is a call to bringeverybody back to the one true
god, the most high god.
I mean it's just unbelievable.
I mean it's fascinating.
This book, this story, it's thegreatest story ever told.
I mean, yeah, people say thatit's absolutely true it.

Matt (48:24):
It has so many sub contexts, right, it's, it's
impossible to study and teasethem all out.
Period, you can't.
And the thought on that haveyou ever thought about?
Okay, there are still thesegods out there over different

(48:47):
pieces of land.
Do some of those gods followthe Most High's orders?
Yep Are some of them good andsome of them bad.

Brandon (49:00):
I think that some of them are good and some of them
are bad, Because if Michael hasbeen given delegated authority
over Israel and he's still good,but the Prince of Persia's not
Prince of Greece is not, can Iask you another question which
principality was placed overAmerica, and was he good or was
he bad?

Matt (49:22):
And are there other principalities fighting against
him?
Right, you know, I mean youlook at the history of America,
right?

Brandon (49:34):
Speaking as Americans.
You may be listening to this inanother country but we're
Americans.

Matt (49:38):
But if you look at that history, America was founded on
biblical principles Period.
They can argue all they want.
It doesn't change the truth ofthe fact that we were founded on
Christian principles.

Brandon (49:54):
Our founding fathers were not all Christians, but
they used the Bible as a basisto come up with the laws of the
land, and an overwhelmingmajority of them were
Bible-believing Christians.

Matt (50:05):
And then having literal great awakenings and spiritual
outpouring in the country thatprogressed the word of God
around the world.

Brandon (50:22):
And being the catalyst for lack of a better term to
launch the gospel around theworld.

Matt (50:30):
Yeah, and you have to think that there was a
principality and just the sheerblessing of God on the United
States Right.

Brandon (50:41):
And now that we're seeing the decline, morally, of
America, what's happening there?

Matt (50:46):
And we got spiritual warfare going on and a prince
oppressing the prince that wasover the united states right,
pushing him when they fighttogether.

Brandon (50:55):
Daniel said they fight.
They fight each other.

Matt (50:57):
Yep, and even you know it seems like, based on the daniel
context, that it's literallyokay.
This one here, the prince ofpersia, is fighting in his way
into Babylon.
After the prince of Persiafights his way into Babylon, the
Grecian prince fights his wayinto there.

Brandon (51:22):
It's.
You know, it's fascinating whenyou start to game plan it out
and I'm game planning out somethings in my head here, but I
mean it's just fascinating.
But the big takeaways are thatthere's cosmic geography, god is
reclaiming all of that.
Okay, and we don't have time togo there and I don't want to
take the time to go there.
But Matthew 16 tells the storyof Jesus going to Caesarea

(51:42):
Philippi.
And last year, matt, you and Istood at Caesarea Philippi and I
was able to preach some of thisstuff there to a group of
people.
Caesarea Philippi, up innorthern Israel, is the place
the book of Enoch says it is atthe foot of Mount Hermon.
Caesarea Philippi is a hugerock mountain.
It has a cave there called theGate of Hell.

(52:03):
It is known as CaesareaPhilippi, it is known as Penaeus
.
It is where they worship thegod Pan.
It is where they offered childsacrifice, did sexual magic type
things.
It was the uh, as doc would sayit was.
It was the disneyland ofpaganism.
Okay, and it is the land of thegiants.

(52:24):
It is the land of bashan uh,all king of bashan.
I mean, this is all that areaand what happened?
Jesus goes there, to that areawhere the angels descended, on
Mount Hermon, at the base ofthis mountain.
Okay, and that is where Jesusmakes his declaration that thou
art Peter, and upon this rockI'll build my church, and the

(52:46):
gates of hell shall not prevailagainst it.
I don't think, as the Catholicsthink, that he was talking
about Peter, peter, upon thisrock I'll build my church.
I think Jesus is making adeclaration in that moment, in a
geographic location.
Okay, that upon this rock,talking to the mountain who
resides in an area that wasruled over by principalities

(53:10):
that had all kinds of demonicentities.
Psalm chapter 22 calls it thebulls of Bashan.
They're demonic entities andBashan is that region in
northern Israel.
Okay, I believe that Jesus issaying Peter, upon this rock I'm
going to build my church, andyou know what?
The gates of hell, that caveand all of this pagan lore here

(53:32):
can't stop what's coming andit's called my church.
He's claiming the territory backand he's walking up and
punching those entities right inthe face and then about 10 days
later he's dead.
They kill him and it wasn't theRomans that killed him.
It wasn't the Jews that killedhim.
It wasn't the Jews that killedhim.

(53:53):
Who was it?
It was the principalities andthe powers behind the scenes who
were pulling the strings.
Satan entered, judas plantedthe seed.
They were all in on it.
Why this is all cosmicgeography.
It's fascinating.
It's like one of those threadsyou pull and you're like holy
cow and this just changes theway you look at your Bible.
It's alive, it's right there.

(54:14):
Yeah, it's right there.

Matt (54:17):
Oh my goodness, here's the snot out of a lot of people,
because they don't want tobelieve the.
They just want the textual side, but they don't want to believe
the spiritual side.
Yeah, I agree, but you'rebasing your faith on an
individual coming back from thedead, but you can't believe

(54:38):
supernatural things I meanwithout the resurrection, the
rest of it is useless.

Brandon (54:44):
That's right.
The resurrection is the mostsupernatural thing you can get.
Yeah, somebody died and cameback from the dead and ascended
back to heaven and sits on theright hand of God.
I mean, this is theresurrection.
Yeah and yeah.
And you can't believe thatangels rule over cosmic

(55:04):
geography, can't believe thatthere's a prince of Persia and a
prince of Greece and that theremight be something in a
dimension that you can't explainbecause you can't see it, taste
it, touch it.
Yeah, well, it's there, and theBible's very, very, very clear
on it.
Well, you know what?

(55:25):
We have spent a good amount oftime, and I believe that we have
given a good overview of theGenesis 6 and all of the roads
that that opens up not all ofthem entirely and exhaustively,
but I believe you can listen tothe last five or six, seven
episodes of the Bible Sayspodcast and get a pretty good
grasp of what's going on, andthen begin to branch off as you
desire and as the Lord leads you, and that's certainly what we

(55:48):
want to do.
We want to ignite a passion forthe scripture and we want you
to be hungry for the word of God, and so this has been episode
number 18.
Yeah, 18 of the Bible Sayspodcast.
We're narrowing in on 20.
And so that's phenomenal.
We thank you guys for listening.
If you have any questions orcomments, please encourage us.

(56:09):
If you have questions you'dlike for us to answer, send us
an email or leave us a commenton any of our social media and
please, as always, like andshare and subscribe and do all
those kinds of things and getthe word out.
We wanna drive up viewership andmore people need this content,
so we want you to help us dothat.
And if you don't know the LordJesus Christ Matt was mentioning
, some of this stuff is scary.

(56:31):
I can't imagine studying thisstuff without knowing that I
knew Jesus as my Savior.
And if you don't know Jesus, hecame to die for you and, yes,
he's going to set all of thesewrongs right.
But he came for you.
He loved you For God, so lovedthe world that he gave His only
begotten Son that whosoeverbelieveth in Him should not
perish but have everlasting life.

(56:53):
If you have never believed andrealized that Jesus is your only
hope for heaven, from yourheart, believe in Him today and
trust Him to save you.
Works won't save you.
Religion won't save you.
Baptism won't save you.
Church membership won't saveyou, confession won't save you,
a priest or a preacher won'tsave you.
But if you believe Jesus isGod's son and he shed his blood

(57:13):
on the cross for you and you arewilling to put all your trust
in his blood, he will save you.
Just say to him Jesus, Ibelieve you're Lord, I believe
you died for me, and, from yourheart, put your faith in him.
And the Bible says if youbelieve in him and him alone by
grace, are you saved throughthrough faith, and that not of

(57:35):
yourselves, it is the gift ofgod.
God wants to give you that gift.
Trust him today.
We love you and we'll see younext time.
On the bible says the podcast.
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