July 9, 2024 • 50 mins
In Episode 8 of The Bible Says Podcast, hosts Brandon and Matt dive deep into the intricate world of biblical prophecy, focusing on the Tribulation and the Final Seven-Year Period. Join us as we explore what the Bible says about the end times, the prophetic timeline, and the significant events that will unfold. This episode is packed with insights into Daniel's 70th week, the Great Tribulation, and the pivotal role of Jerusalem and the Jewish people in these last days.
Brandon and Matt discuss:
- The prophetic significance of Daniel's 70 weeks
- The timeline of the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation
- The role of the Antichrist and the abomination of desolation
- Scriptural evidence for a seven-year tribulation period
- Key prophetic events leading up to the Second Coming of Christ
- The purpose of the Tribulation and its impact on Israel and the world
Whether you're a seasoned student of prophecy or new to eschatology, this episode will provide a clear and comprehensive understanding of these crucial end-time events. Matt and Brandon also address common misconceptions and provide biblical clarity on topics such as the rapture, the role of the church during the Tribulation, and the ultimate victory of Christ.
With references from the books of Daniel, Revelation, Matthew, and 2 Thessalonians, this episode is a must-listen for anyone seeking to understand the biblical perspective on the final days. Don’t forget to share, like, and subscribe for more in-depth biblical teachings.
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Brandon (00:09):
What does the Bible say ?
The Bible says the Bible sayspodcast.
All right, welcome in.
The Bible says podcast episodenumber Eight, episode number
eight.
Bible Says Podcast episodenumber eight Episode number
eight tonight, yeah, so that'sawesome, matt, how you doing.
(00:32):
I'm well.
How about you Doing?
Well, good to be back in thesaddle.
Matt (00:37):
Yeah, we're, glad to be back.
Welcome all you guys onlinelistening on podcast platforms
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We'd just love to haveeverybody check us out.
Look at the doctrine, look atthe arguments that we're placing
(00:59):
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Absolutely.
Brandon (01:05):
And thebiblesayspodcastcom.
Matt (01:08):
Forward slash share is the easiest way.
Brandon (01:11):
Forward, slash, share and you can see all the outlets
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Matt (01:15):
Yeah, you can see all the podcast platforms.
You can see YouTube, facebook,twitter, tiktok.
I mean we don't put the podcaston TikTok, but we've got a
bunch of shorts and little clipsand stuff that go on there,
right?
Brandon (01:27):
Well, I was just sharing with Matt before we
started recording, getting a lotof good feedback, not only from
folks that we know, but we'regetting a lot of feedback from
folks that we don't know outthere in the world of the
internet, and we appreciate youroverwhelmingly positive support
.
And you know we've gotten a lotof positive feedback and that's
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what we're looking for.
We just want to ground peoplein the word of God.
We want people to know whatthey believe and know why they
believe it, and so we havechosen this outlet of the Bible
says podcast, to run beliefsthat are deeply held by many of
us through the lens of Scriptureand make sure we're grounded in
it, because the Word of God isthe be-all, end-all.
(02:12):
I mean, it's the standard bywhich we have to hold our
beliefs accountable too, sowe're excited about that.
So, as we said just a moment ago, this is episode number eight.
As we said just a moment ago,this is episode number eight,
and I heard a while back thatpodcasts that are successful
have to at least get to 20.
And most podcasts that are everstarted, most of them die after
(02:37):
the first episode.
Did you know that.
Yes, after the first episodethey never have another one.
So we've far surpassed episodeone and we're on Most of.
We've far surpassed episode one, and we're on.
Matt (02:45):
Most of them never make it to episode five.
Brandon (02:52):
It's like a 96% fail rate.
Everybody has good ideas, andthen the follow through, I guess
.
Matt (02:54):
Well, there's a lot of work.
Brandon (02:56):
It is a lot of work and we find that it's time demand,
but it's good and it's rewarding.
We're having fun with it, yeah,yeah.
So the topics that we're goingto introduce tonight are
probably they kind of dovetailoff of Episode 6 and 7, where we
were talking about the raptureis there a rapture?
(03:18):
And unwrapping the rapture, Ithink, is how we titled that.
So we're going to kind ofpiggyback off that.
We're going to stay kind of inthe prophetic lane, but it's not
going to be necessarily justabout the rapture.
We're branching off, headeddown a different highway with
that and the topics that we'regoing to talk about tonight will
probably cover the next two orthree episodes.
(03:38):
Take us all the way up into thedouble digits, if you will, but
anyway.
So, just as a way of recappingthe last couple episodes
episodes six and seven we spenta good deal of time talking
about the different beliefs inrapture.
Okay, harpazo, as we discussedthat and we posed the question
(04:02):
right out of the gate, you know,is there a rapture?
I think that we pretty wellanswered that question
biblically that yes, there is.
And there might be somedisagreement on where we place
the timing of that rapture, andthat was the purpose of the
podcast.
We discussed mid-tribulationrapture, pre-tribulation rapture
, post-tribulation rapture.
(04:24):
We even discussed pre-wrathrapture, things like that.
So we kind of gave that a goodcouple hours of unpacking and of
course, I was privileged to beable to present my position,
which is a pre-tribulationrapture, and spend quite a bit
of time defending that anddefining that, if you will.
(04:46):
So, as we pray over topics togo forward, Matt and I talked
and one of the things that wewere thinking was coming out of
the rapture talk.
We spent a couple hours,probably more than that,
discussing the rapture.
But coming out of thoseepisodes there's probably.
(05:12):
We want to make the Bibleunderstand.
We don't want to make the Bibleanything.
We want to not make itcomplicated, though we don't
want to.
A lot of people are intimidatedby the word of God.
We want to bring clarity to it.
We want to rightly divide it.
We want to explain it in termsthat present the Scripture in a
very clear way.
(05:33):
We don't want to muddy thewater in any way, but I don't
want people to kind of come inand hear big terms like
tribulation and pre-tribulation,mid-tribulation,
post-tribulation, and not evenknow what the heck we're talking
about really.
So kind of the idea for tonightand for the next couple episodes
(05:54):
is that we want to discuss andtalk about the upcoming
prophetic events on the calendar, if you will.
Okay, prophetically speaking,you know, from the time that the
Lord comes back, what does theBible say?
What are the events that aregoing to unfold?
We spent the last two hours orthe last two episodes talking
(06:18):
about the rapture.
Okay, that is an event that isgoing to happen, no matter where
you place it.
As far as timeline, it is anevent that's going to happen, no
matter where you place it.
As far as timeline, it is anevent that's going to happen.
There's also the very word youknow we discussed pre-, mid and
post-tribulation.
Well, the word tribulation isan event described in Scripture
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and a lot of people.
It's not one of my favoriteways to describe the final seven
years of human history beforethe Lord returns, the second
coming, but it is an often usedthe tribulation period.
They'll use that phrase.
Matt (06:58):
But unlike things like rapture, it is actually in the
English King James.
Brandon (07:02):
Yep, the word tribulation is in there, but the
tribulation is an event.
The millennial kingdom, or themillennium, is an event.
Okay, it is a thousand-yearevent.
We have events like thejudgments that are talked about
inside of the book of Revelation, inside certain of the New
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Testament books, for example,the great white throne judgment,
the judgment seat of Christ.
What are these?
These are events.
The marriage, supper of thelamb, these are events.
So, if you're not careful, Ithink one of the most
misunderstood and easilyconfusing topics is eschatology,
the study of end things okay,future prophecy, if you will.
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And so we want to make it assimple and as clear as we
possibly can, or present thosetruths in the clearest way
possible.
So we're going to begin to lookat these different events like
the tribulation, like themillennium, like the judgments,
and we're going to look at themand we want you to know what
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they are first of all.
But then we want to lookscripturally and begin to place
them in a chronological order soyou can kind of have an order
of events that are going to playout.
Is that a good way to describethat?
Matt (08:18):
I think so.
I think so.
We're probably going to pop afew bubbles here and there about
people's preconceived ideas ofwhat heaven is, what heaven's
going to be, like that kind ofstuff.
Yeah, some of it's justman-made tradition, some of it's
man-made imagination.
Brandon (08:38):
Are you telling me that when I die, I do not get angel
wings?
Yeah, you do not get angelwings and I don't fly around on
a cloud and play a harp.
Matt (08:46):
You don't, are you sure I am positive.
Okay, all right, we're going toput that to the test.
Bible-based, that doesn'thappen.
Brandon (08:55):
That's funny.
That's funny.
Well, let's go ahead and jumpinto this and let's.
In my notes here tonight, asI'm preparing, I have the word
pre that's not a word but theprefix pre, mid and post.
And then I have question markspre, what, mid, what post?
(09:16):
What?
Pre-tribulation,post-tribulation,
mid-tribulation, so what in theworld is a tribulation?
That's what I want to look atfirst.
I grew up in a preacher's homeso I've been very accustomed.
My dad's a Baptist pastor andgrew up in the Baptist church
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and heard a lot about thetribulation period, a period of
the final seven years, and allthose things.
And I want to take a good lookat that and I want to see does
the Bible talk about atribulation period?
If so, what is it and why sevenyears?
Where do we get the length ofit?
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And are there subcategoriesinside the seven years?
Are there smaller periods oftime that are broken down?
And I think that we'll be ableto clarify some of those things.
So first of all, I guess rightout of the gate we should say
that the Bible does clearly saythat there is going to be a
(10:21):
final seven-year period of humanhistory and, before the Lord's
return, that there will be afinal seven-year period.
It does not refer to theentirety of the period as the
tribulation.
That's what I want to kind ofclarify.
(10:42):
I'm not upset at people who saythe entire seven years is the
tribulation period, but inparticular we're going to see
that the last half of thatseven-year period is called the
Great Tribulation.
Matt (10:53):
Yeah, and a lot of people defend that by.
They infer that since the lasthalf of that period is the Great
Tribulation, that all of it isthat the first half is a lesser
tribulation right right, andsome people say, uh, have the
view that the tribulation isonly three and a half years
because of that as well.
Brandon (11:13):
So, uh, we want to look at it.
Um, so there is a seven-yearperiod talked about and I want
to show you some scriptures onwhere bible theologians and
teachers come up with thatseven-year period.
Okay, there's not a ton of them.
You know, propheticallyspeaking, a lot of prophecy is
written in I use the wordwritten in code.
(11:35):
It's kind of you got todecipher it, excuse me, and
you've got to look and apply it.
It's not just there's not like abook in the Bible called
prophecy and it just covers itall in one fell swoop.
You've got to bounce around alittle bit, but it's amazing how
, like, when you go to the bookof Daniel and you go to the book
of Revelation and you go toJeremiah and you go to these,
(11:56):
they all fit together, hand inglove and fit.
So that's what I want to lookat and I want to show you a
verse right out of the gate inDaniel, chapter number 9.
This is four verses, from verse24 through verse 27.
I'm not going to read it all,I'm just going to look at one
verse right now, but this iswhat we call the 70-week
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prophecy of Daniel.
Okay, this is probably the mostcomplicated prophecy, in my
opinion, in the Bible.
It's hard to understand, butit's probably the most amazing
prophecy, in my opinion, in theBible.
Matt (12:35):
It's one of the most exact prophecies in the Bible.
Brandon (12:40):
It's precise, isn't?
Matt (12:41):
it, it is very precise it is.
Brandon (12:42):
We should dig into it.
We should probably do a wholeepisode on the 70-week prophecy,
and I don't know if we could doit in one episode.
Matt (12:48):
Yeah, you dig all the way down into it.
Yeah, it'd be hard to put it inan hour.
Brandon (12:52):
Basically to surmise it and I don't want to get off
track here but basically Daniel,600 years before Christ,
predicts the coming Christ, downto the day in Daniel 9, verse
24 through 27.
And down to the day he can tellyou when Jesus was going to
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present himself as the Messiah.
And in fact, if you go studyLuke 19, jesus holds Jerusalem
and the Jewish peopleaccountable because they didn't
know the day Daniel talked about.
So he held them accountable fornot knowing.
So that's a little teaser formaybe something we'll talk about
sometime.
But I want to look at Daniel 9,24, because in the 70-week
prophecy, basically Daniel istold by Gabriel the angel that
there is going to be 490 yearsof God working on the Jewish
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people and in particular thecity of Jerusalem.
Okay, so there's 490 years, or70, sevens, 70 weeks of years,
if you will.
Okay, so don't let if that'sall confusion to you, we'll talk
about the 70 week prophecy andall the math that goes with it
some other time, but just don'tget confused.
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But a week in Daniel 9 is aweek of years, so it's seven
years.
We think of it as in days.
A week of days is seven days aweek.
Well, think of it in years, andthat's what Daniel's talking
about in Daniel 9.
And he says in verse 24, he says70 weeks are determined upon
thy people and upon thy holycity, okay.
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And then he goes on to explainwhat's going to happen to your
people and to your holy city.
Now, daniel is a Jewish captivein Babylon, well, and later
taken over by Persia, but he isa captive at this time.
And who was Daniel's people?
(14:47):
It is the Jewish people, okay,he's a Jew.
What's his holy city?
It says 70 weeks are determinedupon thy people and upon thy
holy city.
It's obviously city ofJerusalem, okay.
And so these 70 weeks aretalked about.
So there's 70 divisions ofseven years each, so 77s, okay,
(15:11):
and that's talked about in theNew Testament, even by Jesus 70
times seven.
So there's a lot of talk aboutthis.
Matt (15:19):
It's also said that that is referenced to in jewish
culture as forever or eternity.
Brandon (15:27):
Well, I think, I think it is because of the 70 week
prophecy, because from a certainpoint, all the way into the,
the anointing of the most holyand the ushering in of his
kingdom is 70 is completion, soit represents completion.
That's why jesus, when theysaid, do I forgive my brother
seven times or 70 times, and hegoes no, 70 times seven, he's
(15:48):
basically saying you forgive himforever.
Yeah, keep on forgiving him.
Yeah, okay, so, basically.
But yeah, okay.
So a week in Daniel nine is aweek of years.
Okay.
Now, if you study the entiretyof the 70-week prophecy, you are
going to come to find out that483 of these years, or 69 of
these weeks of years, havealready been accomplished in
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human history.
Okay, but there remains oneweek, okay, one week.
And in fact, if you look downin verse number 27, it says, and
he this is a reference to theend time world leader that will
arise Most of us know him as theAntichrist he shall confirm the
covenant with many for one weekOkay, so that means for seven
(16:36):
years.
And in the midst of the week heshall cause the sacrifice and
the oblation to cease and forthe overspreading of
abominations he shall make itdesolate.
So it goes on, and so it saysthere's a coming world leader
who's going to make a covenantwith many.
Okay, and it's affecting theJewish people and the city of
Jerusalem.
He's going to make a covenantfor seven years, or one week.
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Jesus talks about this inMatthew 24, because he talks
about that week and what happensin the middle of it with the
abomination of desolation, andhe refers back to Daniel 9.
So all of that last fiveminutes to say this Daniel
prophesies that there is acoming end of the world period
and it's seven years long.
(17:17):
Yeah, Okay, he does not call ita tribulation.
Most people call it Daniel's70th week week because there's
one week that has not beenfulfilled.
Anything to add to that.
Matt (17:31):
I just want to get our feet wet with my seven years In
looking at the Daniel 24,.
So the 70 weeks of years is tomake that end, to finish the
transgression, to make the endof sins.
To make that end, to finish thetransgression, to make the end
of sins, to make reconciliationfor iniquity bring everlasting
righteousness, seal up thevisions and prophecies,
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completion and and anoint themost holy.
Brandon (17:59):
Right.
Matt (18:00):
So it's the 70 years, or 70 weeks is to bring everything
to completion, to fulfillment.
Yep, I mean, it literally saysthat in the scripture.
Brandon (18:11):
Yeah, and that's the purpose of the 70 weeks, and we
know from history 69 of those 70have already happened.
Yeah, and we'll go through thatand look at that.
So the question is, is there atribulation period talked about?
Yes, it's not always calledtribulation, but it is a
seven-year period and we'regoing to look a little further.
It is also in.
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Jeremiah describes a period inhis prophecy in chapter 30 of
his book Jeremiah 30, verse 7,he describes for that day is
great he says so that none islike it.
It is even the time of Jacob'strouble, but he shall be saved
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out of it.
So Jeremiah prophesies a comingday that is going to test the
Jewish people and he calls itthe time of Jacob's trouble.
Now, why do we bring that up?
Because this is talking about aperiod of time that is going to
be focused on the Jewish peopleand the city of Jerusalem.
(19:16):
Okay, daniel said 70 weeks aredetermined upon thy people and
thy holy city, the Jewish peopleand the city of Jerusalem.
So we're beginning to see thatthere's a coming time, that its
focus is Jewish.
Okay, but it is defined Danieldefines it as a week.
(19:39):
Okay, we know that as sevenyears.
Now let me add a tidbit here.
Jeremiah refers to it asJacob's trouble.
We know Jacob as the grandsonof Abraham.
There was Abraham and Isaac andJacob.
Okay, jacob is the one that had12 sons.
(19:59):
Okay, which each of those sons?
You had Joseph in there, andReuben and Sibion, and Judah and
Issachar, and all these guysright, naphtali, yep, all 12 of
them.
Okay, they were the heads ofthese tribes, as they're called
in the Bible, the tribes of thechildren of Israel.
Okay, now, if you read thestory of Jacob, jacob had his
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name changed and he was stoppedbeing referred to as Jacob and
started being referred to asIsrael.
So Jacob's name was changed toIsrael.
Okay, jeremiah 30 says thiswill be the time of Jacob's
(20:43):
trouble.
Now let me give you anotherlittle tidbit here.
Okay, think about Jacob.
He had two wives Remember thewives' names?
Two sisters.
Matt (20:57):
I didn't tell you.
You just said that Rachel,rachel and Leah, leah.
Yeah, yeah, and Rachel, thatRachel and Leah Rachel.
And Bilhah and Zilpah.
Brandon (21:07):
Those were the handmaids, those were the
mothers of the 12 boys Bilhah,zilpah, rachel and Leah.
Now here's the deal.
Remember Jacob?
He went and he had to work forwhat he thought was Rachel, yeah
, and then his father-in-law,laban, did the old switcheroo on
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him, right, and he woke up withLeah the next morning.
Okay, how long did he have towork for her?
Seven years.
He had to work for her forseven years, okay, so he worked
for what he thought was Rachelfor seven years.
Laban gave him Leah and said Ican't marry the older or the
younger before the oldest.
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Okay, then he had to work sevenmore years.
Now, let me say this to youthere was two seven-year periods
in the life of Jacob.
Okay, that he had to work forthose wives, and so numbers can
be very important in Scriptureand understanding it.
Okay, so here we're talkingabout the final seven years of
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human history.
Okay, and it's referred to byJeremiah as the time of Jacob's
trouble.
Okay, jacob had two significantseven-year periods in his life.
All, right, jacob's name waschanged to Israel.
Can I present to you something?
Matt?
Israel has had two verysignificant, has and will have
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two very significant seven-yearperiods in their history.
Okay, we know the final sevenyears, or Daniel's 70th week, is
going to be focused on the Jewsand on Jerusalem.
So that is, the final sevenyears are Jewish-focused.
But I'll present this to you,and I've thought this for a long
time If you study history from1938 to 1945, that was a pretty
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significant seven-year period inthe nation of Israel and that
is what we know of as the riseof Hitler, the Holocaust, the
beginning of concentration camps, things like that.
So just a little tidbit.
I don't know what you want todo with that, but the number
seven, in relation to Israel andrelation to the end times and
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them as a nation, is verysignificant.
Matt (23:24):
Yeah, something we're going to have to do sometime is
do an episode on Bible names.
Brandon (23:31):
Yeah.
Matt (23:31):
And meanings behind names and stuff, because that gets
really really crazy.
It does.
Brandon (23:39):
It does.
So is there a seven-year periodtalked about in Scripture?
Yes, it's talked about byDaniel, it's talked about by
Jeremiah and we talked about inDaniel, chapter 9, verse number
27,.
It says that he, the Antichrist, the leader in the end times,
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will make a covenant for oneweek or for seven years, and
then it says in the midst ofthat week.
Okay, so I want to look now at,if we will, there's a couple
scriptures that talk about aseven-year period, and then
there's a lot of scriptures thattalk about in the middleyear
period, and then there's a lotof scriptures that talk about in
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the middle of the week or inthe middle of the seven years,
something happens.
So we're trying to put ourfinger on how long is this in
these last days, once they start?
So let's look at Matthew 24,matt, if you want to look at
that one, and I'll Matthew 24,.
Let's look at Matthew 24, matt,if you want to look at that one
, and I'll Matthew 24, versenumber 21.
(24:43):
Jesus, this is his OlivetDiscourse and he's talking end
times prophecy with Peter, jamesand John here.
Let's see what he says.
Matt (24:52):
Okay, so for then, shall the great tribulation, such as
was not since the beginning ofthe world to this time, no, nor
ever shall be.
And except those days should beshortened, there should be no
flesh be saved.
But for the elect's sake, thosedays shall be shortened.
Brandon (25:11):
Okay, so that's Matthew , chapter 24.
Okay, and so if we look atMatthew 24, it says that there
is coming on the earth at thattime.
It says great tribulation.
Okay, now, that is in versenumber 21.
Okay, for then shall be greattribulation.
(25:32):
Now, if you back up to versenumber 15.
Yeah, okay, it says go aheadand read that, matt, verse
number 15, if you got that.
Matt (25:41):
When you, therefore, shall see the abomination of
desolation spoken of by Daniel,the prophet, stand in the holy
place.
Whoso readeth, let himunderstand Okay.
Brandon (25:52):
So he talks about the abomination of desolation.
Okay, and I want you to followalong here.
I don't want you to lose usbecause this gets complicated
stuff here.
But it says that Jesus says inverse 15 of Matthew 24 that
there is going to be anabomination of desolation.
That happens later on and weknow from some other scriptures
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that that happens in the middleof the week.
Now let's go back to Daniel 9and let me refresh your memory.
He shall confirm the covenantwith many for one week we know
that's seven years and in themidst of the week the word midst
, there is the word middle.
In the middle of the week heshall cause the sacrifice and
the oblation to cease and forthe overspreading of
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abominations.
So Daniel, 600 years beforeChrist, says there's going to be
a final seven years.
In the middle of the sevenyears there's going to be a
blasphemous abomination ofdesolation.
Jesus, when we get to Matthew24, says Daniel said there's
going to be abomination ofdesolation and this is when it's
going to happen.
When's it going to happen?
(26:57):
It's going to happen in themiddle of the week or in the
middle of the week of years.
Matt (27:02):
And to those people that say this 70th week has already
happened, they'll say oh, thiswas fulfilled by Antiochus
Epiphanes.
That was before the time ofChrist.
Brandon (27:17):
Okay, so you're referencing a lot of preterists.
Preterists believe that most ofthe things that we say are
prophetic have actually alreadyhappened in history.
There's a big argument outthere that Daniel 9 has already
been fulfilled.
And it was fulfilled.
You know the abomination ofdesolation by Antiochus
Epiphanes in about what?
Matt (27:36):
168, something like that.
Brandon (27:38):
BC.
Alright, now the problem withthat is this.
Explain it, because you'remaking a point here.
Matt (27:44):
The problem is Jesus is in 32 AD, 200 years, 200 years
After, after Antiochus,antiochus, okay, okay, jesus.
In another portion in Matthew,actually, it says that they're
walking in the colonnade Right.
In another portion in Matthew,actually, it says that they're
walking in the colonnade at thetemple celebrating the festival
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of lights or festival ofdedication, which is Hanukkah,
which we know of as Hanukkah.
Which is a celebration of whenthe Jews defeated the Greeks in
Antiochus Epiphanes.
Brandon (28:17):
And cleansed the temple from the.
Matt (28:19):
From the abomination that Antiochus Epiphanes and cleansed
the temple from the, from theabomination that Antiochus
brought.
Brandon (28:22):
Okay, so basically, to surmise the abomination, if you
believe that Antiochus Epiphanesdid it, it was 200 years later
that Jesus said there's coming aday, and in the middle of the
week, in the middle of the sevenyears, that abomination is
going to happen again.
It's going to happen again.
It's going to happen again.
So to my friends that believethat Antiochus Epiphanes
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fulfilled this, I would say thisMaybe he was a type that did
fulfill it.
Maybe he did abomination ofdesolation and yes, but there's
so much to biblical prophecy.
There's layers and layers.
It's like an onion Just becauseyou found one layer does not
mean that the next layer cannotbe true as well.
Just because AntiochusEpiphanes fulfilled this
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scripture doesn't mean thatJesus is any less wrong in
saying that it's going to befulfilled again.
Matt (29:14):
There's multiple layers, yeah, and I dove way down that
rabbit hole one time andliterally that verse right there
brought me back out of thatrabbit hole.
I'm like, okay, oh, wow, allthis stuff has already been
completed, Holy cow.
And then, oh, wait a minute.
Jesus is saying this 200 yearslater.
Brandon (29:34):
It's understanding the chronology of it.
But Jesus says there's going tobe an abomination of desolation
.
It's written by Daniel and whenyou see that, okay, it's going
to usher in.
So remember this.
Okay, it's going to happen inthe middle of the week, okay.
So the week is seven years.
In the middle of the sevenyears, which is three and a half
(29:54):
years, all right, you're goingto have this abomination of
desolation.
And then verse 21 says thenshall be great tribulation, all
right.
So where does the termtribulation come from?
The term tribulation comes fromscriptures like this the great
tribulation, all right.
It is never referred to as thetribulation.
(30:17):
Okay, it is referred to thelast half of it as the great
tribulation.
So I wouldn't make a big dealout of referring to all of the
seven years as the tribulation,okay.
So matthew 24 is an importantum scripture for defining how
long this you know, is there atribulation period?
(30:37):
Yes, it is seven years long.
The last half of it is calledthe Great Tribulation.
And I want to read a verse inRevelation as well, because it
says kind of the same thing andI just want to make sure that
we're grounded in the word.
Revelation 7, verse 14 saysthis and I said unto him, sir,
(30:58):
thou knowest.
And he said to me these arethey which came out of great
tribulation and have washed therobes and made them white in the
blood of the Lamb.
Okay, so we have seenscriptures that talk about seven
years.
We've talked about seven yearsfocused on Jerusalem, seven
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years focused on the Jewishpeople and on Jerusalem.
We've seen it described as thetime of Jacob's trouble.
We have seen that there's goingto be an event in the middle of
the seven years, which is threeand a half years in.
And we're about to get a lotmore specific, not just in seven
year increments or three and ahalf.
The Bible gets very descriptiveof down to the days and the
(31:43):
months and the days.
So I just want to be clear thatthese timeframes that some of
you have heard and maybe some ofyou frankly have not heard are
scriptural and they're in theBible.
The abomination of desolationhappens three and a half years
into a week of years Daniel 9,matthew 24.
Okay, anything to add to thatbefore we go on?
Matt (32:06):
I don't think so.
I think we'll get to thethoughts that are popping in my
head right now in a few minutes.
Brandon (32:12):
Well, let's look here, revelation 11.
This is right after John istold to take a read and measure
the temple of God, the altar,and those that worship therein,
them that worship therein, butthe court verse 2, which is
without the temple.
Leave out and measure it not,for it is given unto the
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Gentiles.
And the holy city shall theytread.
What's the holy city?
The holy city is Jerusalem.
And the holy city shall theytread underfoot?
Now watch this.
40 and two months, 42 months,okay, so we have a seven-year
period.
In the middle we have an eventthat is very significant, called
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the abomination of desolation,okay, and that is where the
temple will be violated.
And the Bible says that theAntichrist will set himself up
to be God, to be God as God asGod.
What is that?
Second Thessalonians, I thinkso.
Look that up real quick.
I've got it right here alreadyOkay.
Matt (33:17):
So Second Thessalonalonians, 2, verse 4.
Okay, who opposes and exaltethhimself above all that is called
God or that is worshipped, sothat he, as God, sitteth in the
temple of God, showing himselfthat he is God?
Brandon (33:38):
So, and that's what scripture again.
Matt (33:40):
That is 2 Thessalonians, 2 , verse 4.
Brandon (33:44):
Okay, All right.
So 2 Thessalonians talks aboutthe Antichrist.
It's talking about the man, theman of sin, the man of son of
perdition, setting himself up inthe temple of God to be God and
to be worshiped as God.
Okay, this is what we'recalling the abomination of
desperation.
Matt (34:02):
So he confirms to himself that he is God.
Brandon (34:04):
Right, so he's talking about that.
That confirms what Daniel said.
That confirms what Jesus saidin Matthew 24.
And it also confirms thatthere's an event in the middle
of the seven years.
Okay, and that's what it is Now.
Watch this.
It also confirms that there'san event in the middle of the
seven years.
Okay, and that's what it is Now.
Watch this.
It says back to Revelation 11,too, that the city will be
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trampled underfoot for 42 months.
Okay, forty-two months is threeand a half years.
The Jewish people obviouslyhave 12 months in their calendar
30-day months, okay, so 360-dayyears.
42 months is exactly three andone half years.
(34:48):
Okay, so underline that in yourBible.
There's some language intalking about prophecy that you
need to know Seven years,tribulation period, 42 months.
That phrase, 1260 days andthere's one that we're going to
look at too times times and halfa time.
Matt (35:08):
Okay, so this is all kind of mysterious language, but we
need to understand it'sreferencing the same thing and
it's difficult language to usbecause the calendar has changed
.
From the Jewish calendar, theircalendar is a lunar-based
calendar.
It's got the same number ofdays basically every month,
within half a day, more or less.
Brandon (35:30):
Right.
If we look over at Revelation12, verse number 6, we see
another time frame mentioned.
The Bible says and the womanfled into the wilderness, where
she hath a place prepared of Godthat they should feed her there
a thousand two hundred andthreescore days, so that is 1260
(35:53):
days, all right.
So here we have another timetimeframe mentioned that breaks
up into three and a half yearincrements.
So basically, what we're sayingis is there a seven year end to
the world?
Yes, it is divided in half.
There's the first half and thesecond half.
The second half is known as thegreat tribulation.
(36:13):
The second half is alsoreferred to as 42 months, 1260
days, and so we just want you tobe aware of this language.
And the woman in Revelation,chapter number 12, is Israel, if
you study it out, and she'sbeing protected and shielded by
God and provision is made forher for three and one half years
(36:34):
.
Okay, all right.
So I guess let's go on a littlefarther, a little further down
the line times, times and half atime.
Matt (36:45):
Okay, if we go back to daniel uh, you got daniel 7, 25
7, 25, and he shall speak greatwords against the Most High and
shall wear out the saints of theMost High and think to change
times and laws, and they shallbe given into his hand until a
time and times and the dividingof time.
Brandon (37:08):
Time, times and the dividing of time.
Okay, so it's describing theend times into times, times in
the dividing of time.
Let me read this one and thenwe'll talk about it.
Revelation or, I'm sorry,daniel 12, 7 says and I heard
the man clothed in linen whichwas upon the waters of the river
(37:28):
when he held up his right handand his left hand unto heaven
and swore by him that liveth,forever and ever, that it should
be for a time, times and a half, and when he shall have
accomplished to scatter thepower of the holy people and
these things shall be finished.
So there's this phrasereferring to this, uh, um, this
leader having power, the endtimes, time, times and the
(37:52):
dividing of time, time, timesand times and a half.
Okay, so think about it.
What is times, times and thedividing of time, time, times
and a half?
Okay, well, one year is time.
Two years is times Two moreyears is times plural, so that
makes three, and then thedividing of time is half
(38:13):
Dividing of time, or half oftime, half of time.
So you can logically come upthat that is talking about three
and one half years Time timesand half a time.
Okay, so three and a half years, or it is referred to, as we
just looked at, in Revelation 11and 12, and, matt, we forgot
(38:33):
one, so we'll throw that out inRevelation 13, where it's
referred to as 42 months or 1260days.
Matt (38:41):
I think you got revelation 13, 5 yeah, and there was given
unto him a mouth speaking greatthings and blasphemies, and
power was given unto him tocontinue 42, 40 and two months.
Okay, so 40, and that's againspeaking about the beast or the
antichrist.
Brandon (38:58):
Right, yeah, right.
So 42 months is used.
And I've got one more inrevelation 12, where it says
about the woman again, and tothe woman we're given two wings
of a great Eagle that she mightfly into the wilderness, into
her place where she is nourishedfor a time and times and half a
time from the face of theserpent.
Okay, so we've looked atseveral scriptures.
(39:22):
Let's kind of back up and putit into broad strokes here.
We have talked about that.
There is a talked about byDaniel, a coming seven-year
period, a final seven-yearperiod.
Okay, a coming seven-yearperiod, a final seven-year
period?
Okay, the final seven yearswill be broken down into the
(39:42):
first half and the second half,and that is known as the Great
Tribulation, is known as thesecond half, or the second half
is known as the GreatTribulation.
It is divided into 1260 days,42 months time times and half a
(40:03):
time, or the dividing of time,and it is talked about, and in
the middle of that, at that time, when the second half starts,
it will be started by an eventknown as the abomination of
desolation, talked about inMatthew 24.
Talked about in 2 Thessalonians2.
And talked about in Daniel 9.
Matt (40:25):
And talked about in.
Brandon (40:26):
Revelation 13.
Yep, absolutely.
So we set out tonight to reallydefine.
You know, what is thetribulation period?
Is there a tribulation period?
What does it mean?
Okay, so I think we've learnedabout.
Yes, there is a seven-yeartimeline, it's divided into two
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and all those things, but Idon't want us to forget as well
the purpose of it.
Okay, forget as well thepurpose of it.
Okay, the purpose of it, asDaniel 9, 24 said, that 70 weeks
(41:09):
are determined upon thy peopleand thy holy city.
Okay, and so I want you tounderstand because this goes
back to episode six and seven.
We argued over pre-trib,post-trib, mid-trib, and my
stance is that the church ofJesus Christ is not going to be
here for this final seven years,that we are raptured or
harpazzoed, caught away beforethe seven years begins.
(41:32):
Okay, that's my premise.
Why begins?
Okay, that's my premise.
Why?
One of the reasons?
Why is because the purpose ofthe tribulation is to drive
Israel back to their God, and itis Israel focused and Jewish
people focused and Jerusalemfocused and not church focused.
(41:54):
Okay, so that's one of myarguments.
All right, now I want to look atas we wrap up tonight.
I want to look at 2Thessalonians once again, and I
want you to just follow my logichere for a second.
If I can find 2 Thessaloniansin my Bible, second
(42:18):
Thessalonians in my Bible, sosecond Thessalonians, chapter
number two okay, we see thatthis talks a lot about the.
I'm in first Thessalonians, yougot it, I got it right here.
There it is.
So it talks a lot about theAntichrist, the setting up of
his kingdom, and Paul isaddressing this to the church in
Thessalonica.
Verse three says let no mandeceive you by any means for
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that day okay, referencing thecoming of the Lord and ushering
in the time of tribulation.
For that day shall not comeexcept there come a falling away
first and that man of sin berevealed, the son of perdition,
okay, way first.
And that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, okay.
Now remember, daniel told us inDaniel 9 that the thing that
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starts the 70th week is he, theAntichrist, confirms a covenant
for seven years.
So there's going to be a peaceagreement that starts this
seven-year timeline and theAntichrist for lack of a better
term is going to be part of thegroup confirming that covenant.
Okay, but 2 Thessalonians tellsus that that son of perdition
(43:26):
won't even be revealed untilthere comes a falling away first
, okay, and then he is revealed.
And as we keep reading, noticethis it says for the mystery of
iniquity doth already work.
Only he who now letteth willlet until he be taken out of the
way.
(43:46):
That's Old English, the wordlet there for the word hinder.
Only he who now hinders will beremoved so that he's not
hindering anymore, and then thatwicked shall be revealed.
So if you study 2 Thessalonians, here's my point.
(44:08):
The Antichrist cannot, okay.
His first act is to be part ofa group that confirms the
covenant with the Jewish peopleand toward Jerusalem.
All right, he cannot berevealed until the.
He cannot be revealed until theone that is hindering and
holding back wickedness.
We talked about this during ourrapture talks and I believe
that's the Holy Spirit who livesin us.
(44:29):
We are the temple of the HolySpirit on this earth.
We are taken away.
Thus the Holy Spirit is takenaway, which ushers in the wicked
one, the son of perdition, tobe revealed, and then he makes a
covenant for seven years.
So under that logic and I don'tthink I mean you may not agree
with it, but I think you canfollow my logic.
As you know, it's notimplausible.
(44:52):
So as you make that argumentyou know that's what leads me to
a pre-tribulation stance on therapture is because all of that
must happen before theAntichrist is revealed and makes
the covenant.
If that makes sense, push back,man, if you've got any pushback
.
Matt (45:13):
Okay, so is it.
Is he revealed when he makesthe covenant, or or is he
revealed when he sets himself up?
Brandon (45:21):
as God.
Matt (45:23):
That's the typical pushback from you, know like if
you're a mid-trib or post-wrathor pre-wrath.
Brandon (45:31):
I will say this I don't .
I think that's a good, validargument and pushback.
You know, I think the burden ofthe evidence points to he's
probably revealed in some way.
I think he's part of a group,you know.
It talks about the little hornthat comes up and it talks about
(45:52):
the seven other horns in one,you know.
So he is part of a group, he'spart of a structure, but he also
has to be known somewhat.
He's in power somewhat toconfirm the covenant of Daniel 9
.
So he is known.
(46:15):
I wonder if people I think he'sbetter known at the midpoint.
Matt (46:19):
I think at the midpoint they actually recognize him as
the Antichrist.
Some people do.
Brandon (46:27):
Well, let me push back on that or not push back on it,
but let me just throw anotherscenario out there.
I believe that the okay well, 2Thessalonians 3, and I know
that we're getting we're talkingabout tribulation, but we're
just doing some speculation here, having some fun as we wrap
this up but it says that he isthe son of perdition.
(46:50):
The word perdition is the worddestruction.
Okay, he is the son ofperdition, all right.
Now the Bible says that theAntichrist will suffer a deadly
head wound.
When, chronologically, doesthat happen?
Is it possible and I think yesthat the Antichrist is part of a
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group that confirms a covenant?
Sometime during that he beginsto rise to leadership and is
assassinated or attemptedassassination, and then either
doesn't die or dies and israised back to life somehow okay
, people argue over that andthen at that point, declares
(47:30):
himself to be god and that'swhen he got kind of goes
full-blown antichrist at themidpoint, after an assassination
.
Matt (47:37):
That's what some people have speculated and the thing is
, when he sets himself up in thetemple, the majority of the
earth is probably going tobelieve that he is God at that
point.
Brandon (47:48):
Well, he's going to be able to do some crazy stuff.
Matt (47:52):
Which is one of the reasons why the church needs to
be out of here by then.
Brandon (47:56):
Absolutely, absolutely.
So we have speculated some, butI think we've answered some
questions.
We've answered that there isclearly biblical evidence that
there is a final seven yearscoming on the earth.
If you call that thetribulation, or you call it
Daniel's 70th week, or you callit the time of Jacob's trouble,
you'd all be correct in what youdescribe it.
(48:16):
The last three and a half yearsof that seven years are called
the Great Tribulation.
It's going to be a time that'sgoing to be really bad on the
earth and the days have to beshortened or no humanity would
be left alive is what Matthew 24says.
And then there's an abominationof desolation.
At that midpoint the Antichristwhether he's known from day one
(48:37):
or better known, or however youview that in the middle of the
week, the seven years, there isan abomination of desolation
event where he sets himself upas God.
And then the last three and ahalf years get really even more
terrible than the first three aswe go through.
Any parting thoughts here, matt?
Matt (48:59):
No, I'm just thinking.
You know, when you're readingthrough Revelation with all the
judgments, you know that thewrath part really comes in
towards that end.
Piece of that the bowls andthings like that.
Brandon (49:14):
But in Revelation 6, at the start of it, it's already
referenced as the wrath of theLamb and things like that.
So, yep, so very interestingtopic that we're discussing.
Basically, we just want toapproach and say, hey, I believe
in a seven-year tribulation.
Is that biblical?
Yes, I think you could say thatthat is biblical.
You can back it up.
(49:34):
Yes, I think you could say thatthat is biblical, you can back
it up.
The time frame, the time times,half a time, 1260 days, 70th
week, all that stuff adds up tothat, we have firm footing to
stand on.
Matt (49:46):
And it's not one scripture that you're basing an entire
belief system on.
It's scattered throughout theBible.
In several passages.
It really is Written by severaldifferent people across a
thousand years Absolutely Well,600, 700 years.
Brandon (50:03):
Yeah, long time.
So I guess we'll leave thatthere tonight, and what we're
going to do next time on ournext episode is we're going to
discuss some other events on theprophetic calendar.
We're going to begin to definethem, much like we did the
tribulation tonight, and we'regoing to begin to place them in
chronological order, as much aswe can glean from Scripture and
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hopefully give you a betterunderstanding of the Bible that
we all love and get to read.
We thank you guys for tuning intonight to episode number eight
of the Bible Says podcast.
I'm Brandon and this is Matt,and we want to wish you a good
night.
God bless you and your familyand thank you for tuning in.
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(00:32):
I'm well.
How about you Doing?
Well, good to be back in thesaddle.
Matt (00:37):
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I mean we don't put the podcaston TikTok, but we've got a
bunch of shorts and little clipsand stuff that go on there,
right?
Brandon (01:27):
Well, I was just sharing with Matt before we
started recording, getting a lotof good feedback, not only from
folks that we know, but we'regetting a lot of feedback from
folks that we don't know outthere in the world of the
internet, and we appreciate youroverwhelmingly positive support
.
And you know we've gotten a lotof positive feedback and that's
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what we're looking for.
We just want to ground peoplein the word of God.
We want people to know whatthey believe and know why they
believe it, and so we havechosen this outlet of the Bible
says podcast, to run beliefsthat are deeply held by many of
us through the lens of Scriptureand make sure we're grounded in
it, because the Word of God isthe be-all, end-all.
(02:12):
I mean, it's the standard bywhich we have to hold our
beliefs accountable too, sowe're excited about that.
So, as we said just a moment ago, this is episode number eight.
As we said just a moment ago,this is episode number eight,
and I heard a while back thatpodcasts that are successful
have to at least get to 20.
And most podcasts that are everstarted, most of them die after
(02:37):
the first episode.
Did you know that.
Yes, after the first episodethey never have another one.
So we've far surpassed episodeone and we're on Most of.
We've far surpassed episode one, and we're on.
Matt (02:45):
Most of them never make it to episode five.
Brandon (02:52):
It's like a 96% fail rate.
Everybody has good ideas, andthen the follow through, I guess
.
Matt (02:54):
Well, there's a lot of work.
Brandon (02:56):
It is a lot of work and we find that it's time demand,
but it's good and it's rewarding.
We're having fun with it, yeah,yeah.
So the topics that we're goingto introduce tonight are
probably they kind of dovetailoff of Episode 6 and 7, where we
were talking about the raptureis there a rapture?
(03:18):
And unwrapping the rapture, Ithink, is how we titled that.
So we're going to kind ofpiggyback off that.
We're going to stay kind of inthe prophetic lane, but it's not
going to be necessarily justabout the rapture.
We're branching off, headeddown a different highway with
that and the topics that we'regoing to talk about tonight will
probably cover the next two orthree episodes.
(03:38):
Take us all the way up into thedouble digits, if you will, but
anyway.
So, just as a way of recappingthe last couple episodes
episodes six and seven we spenta good deal of time talking
about the different beliefs inrapture.
Okay, harpazo, as we discussedthat and we posed the question
(04:02):
right out of the gate, you know,is there a rapture?
I think that we pretty wellanswered that question
biblically that yes, there is.
And there might be somedisagreement on where we place
the timing of that rapture, andthat was the purpose of the
podcast.
We discussed mid-tribulationrapture, pre-tribulation rapture
, post-tribulation rapture.
(04:24):
We even discussed pre-wrathrapture, things like that.
So we kind of gave that a goodcouple hours of unpacking and of
course, I was privileged to beable to present my position,
which is a pre-tribulationrapture, and spend quite a bit
of time defending that anddefining that, if you will.
(04:46):
So, as we pray over topics togo forward, Matt and I talked
and one of the things that wewere thinking was coming out of
the rapture talk.
We spent a couple hours,probably more than that,
discussing the rapture.
But coming out of thoseepisodes there's probably.
(05:12):
We want to make the Bibleunderstand.
We don't want to make the Bibleanything.
We want to not make itcomplicated, though we don't
want to.
A lot of people are intimidatedby the word of God.
We want to bring clarity to it.
We want to rightly divide it.
We want to explain it in termsthat present the Scripture in a
very clear way.
(05:33):
We don't want to muddy thewater in any way, but I don't
want people to kind of come inand hear big terms like
tribulation and pre-tribulation,mid-tribulation,
post-tribulation, and not evenknow what the heck we're talking
about really.
So kind of the idea for tonightand for the next couple episodes
(05:54):
is that we want to discuss andtalk about the upcoming
prophetic events on the calendar, if you will.
Okay, prophetically speaking,you know, from the time that the
Lord comes back, what does theBible say?
What are the events that aregoing to unfold?
We spent the last two hours orthe last two episodes talking
(06:18):
about the rapture.
Okay, that is an event that isgoing to happen, no matter where
you place it.
As far as timeline, it is anevent that's going to happen, no
matter where you place it.
As far as timeline, it is anevent that's going to happen.
There's also the very word youknow we discussed pre-, mid and
post-tribulation.
Well, the word tribulation isan event described in Scripture
(06:40):
and a lot of people.
It's not one of my favoriteways to describe the final seven
years of human history beforethe Lord returns, the second
coming, but it is an often usedthe tribulation period.
They'll use that phrase.
Matt (06:58):
But unlike things like rapture, it is actually in the
English King James.
Brandon (07:02):
Yep, the word tribulation is in there, but the
tribulation is an event.
The millennial kingdom, or themillennium, is an event.
Okay, it is a thousand-yearevent.
We have events like thejudgments that are talked about
inside of the book of Revelation, inside certain of the New
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Testament books, for example,the great white throne judgment,
the judgment seat of Christ.
What are these?
These are events.
The marriage, supper of thelamb, these are events.
So, if you're not careful, Ithink one of the most
misunderstood and easilyconfusing topics is eschatology,
the study of end things okay,future prophecy, if you will.
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And so we want to make it assimple and as clear as we
possibly can, or present thosetruths in the clearest way
possible.
So we're going to begin to lookat these different events like
the tribulation, like themillennium, like the judgments,
and we're going to look at themand we want you to know what
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they are first of all.
But then we want to lookscripturally and begin to place
them in a chronological order soyou can kind of have an order
of events that are going to playout.
Is that a good way to describethat?
Matt (08:18):
I think so.
I think so.
We're probably going to pop afew bubbles here and there about
people's preconceived ideas ofwhat heaven is, what heaven's
going to be, like that kind ofstuff.
Yeah, some of it's justman-made tradition, some of it's
man-made imagination.
Brandon (08:38):
Are you telling me that when I die, I do not get angel
wings?
Yeah, you do not get angelwings and I don't fly around on
a cloud and play a harp.
Matt (08:46):
You don't, are you sure I am positive.
Okay, all right, we're going toput that to the test.
Bible-based, that doesn'thappen.
Brandon (08:55):
That's funny.
That's funny.
Well, let's go ahead and jumpinto this and let's.
In my notes here tonight, asI'm preparing, I have the word
pre that's not a word but theprefix pre, mid and post.
And then I have question markspre, what, mid, what post?
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What?
Pre-tribulation,post-tribulation,
mid-tribulation, so what in theworld is a tribulation?
That's what I want to look atfirst.
I grew up in a preacher's homeso I've been very accustomed.
My dad's a Baptist pastor andgrew up in the Baptist church
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and heard a lot about thetribulation period, a period of
the final seven years, and allthose things.
And I want to take a good lookat that and I want to see does
the Bible talk about atribulation period?
If so, what is it and why sevenyears?
Where do we get the length ofit?
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And are there subcategoriesinside the seven years?
Are there smaller periods oftime that are broken down?
And I think that we'll be ableto clarify some of those things.
So first of all, I guess rightout of the gate we should say
that the Bible does clearly saythat there is going to be a
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final seven-year period of humanhistory and, before the Lord's
return, that there will be afinal seven-year period.
It does not refer to theentirety of the period as the
tribulation.
That's what I want to kind ofclarify.
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I'm not upset at people who saythe entire seven years is the
tribulation period, but inparticular we're going to see
that the last half of thatseven-year period is called the
Great Tribulation.
Matt (10:53):
Yeah, and a lot of people defend that by.
They infer that since the lasthalf of that period is the Great
Tribulation, that all of it isthat the first half is a lesser
tribulation right right, andsome people say, uh, have the
view that the tribulation isonly three and a half years
because of that as well.
Brandon (11:13):
So, uh, we want to look at it.
Um, so there is a seven-yearperiod talked about and I want
to show you some scriptures onwhere bible theologians and
teachers come up with thatseven-year period.
Okay, there's not a ton of them.
You know, propheticallyspeaking, a lot of prophecy is
written in I use the wordwritten in code.
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It's kind of you got todecipher it, excuse me, and
you've got to look and apply it.
It's not just there's not like abook in the Bible called
prophecy and it just covers itall in one fell swoop.
You've got to bounce around alittle bit, but it's amazing how
, like, when you go to the bookof Daniel and you go to the book
of Revelation and you go toJeremiah and you go to these,
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they all fit together, hand inglove and fit.
So that's what I want to lookat and I want to show you a
verse right out of the gate inDaniel, chapter number 9.
This is four verses, from verse24 through verse 27.
I'm not going to read it all,I'm just going to look at one
verse right now, but this iswhat we call the 70-week
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prophecy of Daniel.
Okay, this is probably the mostcomplicated prophecy, in my
opinion, in the Bible.
It's hard to understand, butit's probably the most amazing
prophecy, in my opinion, in theBible.
Matt (12:35):
It's one of the most exact prophecies in the Bible.
Brandon (12:40):
It's precise, isn't?
Matt (12:41):
it, it is very precise it is.
Brandon (12:42):
We should dig into it.
We should probably do a wholeepisode on the 70-week prophecy,
and I don't know if we could doit in one episode.
Matt (12:48):
Yeah, you dig all the way down into it.
Yeah, it'd be hard to put it inan hour.
Brandon (12:52):
Basically to surmise it and I don't want to get off
track here but basically Daniel,600 years before Christ,
predicts the coming Christ, downto the day in Daniel 9, verse
24 through 27.
And down to the day he can tellyou when Jesus was going to
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present himself as the Messiah.
And in fact, if you go studyLuke 19, jesus holds Jerusalem
and the Jewish peopleaccountable because they didn't
know the day Daniel talked about.
So he held them accountable fornot knowing.
So that's a little teaser formaybe something we'll talk about
sometime.
But I want to look at Daniel 9,24, because in the 70-week
prophecy, basically Daniel istold by Gabriel the angel that
there is going to be 490 yearsof God working on the Jewish
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people and in particular thecity of Jerusalem.
Okay, so there's 490 years, or70, sevens, 70 weeks of years,
if you will.
Okay, so don't let if that'sall confusion to you, we'll talk
about the 70 week prophecy andall the math that goes with it
some other time, but just don'tget confused.
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But a week in Daniel 9 is aweek of years, so it's seven
years.
We think of it as in days.
A week of days is seven days aweek.
Well, think of it in years, andthat's what Daniel's talking
about in Daniel 9.
And he says in verse 24, he says70 weeks are determined upon
thy people and upon thy holycity, okay.
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And then he goes on to explainwhat's going to happen to your
people and to your holy city.
Now, daniel is a Jewish captivein Babylon, well, and later
taken over by Persia, but he isa captive at this time.
And who was Daniel's people?
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It is the Jewish people, okay,he's a Jew.
What's his holy city?
It says 70 weeks are determinedupon thy people and upon thy
holy city.
It's obviously city ofJerusalem, okay.
And so these 70 weeks aretalked about.
So there's 70 divisions ofseven years each, so 77s, okay,
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and that's talked about in theNew Testament, even by Jesus 70
times seven.
So there's a lot of talk aboutthis.
Matt (15:19):
It's also said that that is referenced to in jewish
culture as forever or eternity.
Brandon (15:27):
Well, I think, I think it is because of the 70 week
prophecy, because from a certainpoint, all the way into the,
the anointing of the most holyand the ushering in of his
kingdom is 70 is completion, soit represents completion.
That's why jesus, when theysaid, do I forgive my brother
seven times or 70 times, and hegoes no, 70 times seven, he's
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basically saying you forgive himforever.
Yeah, keep on forgiving him.
Yeah, okay, so, basically.
But yeah, okay.
So a week in Daniel nine is aweek of years.
Okay.
Now, if you study the entiretyof the 70-week prophecy, you are
going to come to find out that483 of these years, or 69 of
these weeks of years, havealready been accomplished in
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human history.
Okay, but there remains oneweek, okay, one week.
And in fact, if you look downin verse number 27, it says, and
he this is a reference to theend time world leader that will
arise Most of us know him as theAntichrist he shall confirm the
covenant with many for one weekOkay, so that means for seven
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years.
And in the midst of the week heshall cause the sacrifice and
the oblation to cease and forthe overspreading of
abominations he shall make itdesolate.
So it goes on, and so it saysthere's a coming world leader
who's going to make a covenantwith many.
Okay, and it's affecting theJewish people and the city of
Jerusalem.
He's going to make a covenantfor seven years, or one week.
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Jesus talks about this inMatthew 24, because he talks
about that week and what happensin the middle of it with the
abomination of desolation, andhe refers back to Daniel 9.
So all of that last fiveminutes to say this Daniel
prophesies that there is acoming end of the world period
and it's seven years long.
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Yeah, Okay, he does not call ita tribulation.
Most people call it Daniel's70th week week because there's
one week that has not beenfulfilled.
Anything to add to that.
Matt (17:31):
I just want to get our feet wet with my seven years In
looking at the Daniel 24,.
So the 70 weeks of years is tomake that end, to finish the
transgression, to make the endof sins.
To make that end, to finish thetransgression, to make the end
of sins, to make reconciliationfor iniquity bring everlasting
righteousness, seal up thevisions and prophecies,
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completion and and anoint themost holy.
Brandon (17:59):
Right.
Matt (18:00):
So it's the 70 years, or 70 weeks is to bring everything
to completion, to fulfillment.
Yep, I mean, it literally saysthat in the scripture.
Brandon (18:11):
Yeah, and that's the purpose of the 70 weeks, and we
know from history 69 of those 70have already happened.
Yeah, and we'll go through thatand look at that.
So the question is, is there atribulation period talked about?
Yes, it's not always calledtribulation, but it is a
seven-year period and we'regoing to look a little further.
It is also in.
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Jeremiah describes a period inhis prophecy in chapter 30 of
his book Jeremiah 30, verse 7,he describes for that day is
great he says so that none islike it.
It is even the time of Jacob'strouble, but he shall be saved
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out of it.
So Jeremiah prophesies a comingday that is going to test the
Jewish people and he calls itthe time of Jacob's trouble.
Now, why do we bring that up?
Because this is talking about aperiod of time that is going to
be focused on the Jewish peopleand the city of Jerusalem.
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Okay, daniel said 70 weeks aredetermined upon thy people and
thy holy city, the Jewish peopleand the city of Jerusalem.
So we're beginning to see thatthere's a coming time, that its
focus is Jewish.
Okay, but it is defined Danieldefines it as a week.
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Okay, we know that as sevenyears.
Now let me add a tidbit here.
Jeremiah refers to it asJacob's trouble.
We know Jacob as the grandsonof Abraham.
There was Abraham and Isaac andJacob.
Okay, jacob is the one that had12 sons.
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Okay, which each of those sons?
You had Joseph in there, andReuben and Sibion, and Judah and
Issachar, and all these guysright, naphtali, yep, all 12 of
them.
Okay, they were the heads ofthese tribes, as they're called
in the Bible, the tribes of thechildren of Israel.
Okay, now, if you read thestory of Jacob, jacob had his
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name changed and he was stoppedbeing referred to as Jacob and
started being referred to asIsrael.
So Jacob's name was changed toIsrael.
Okay, jeremiah 30 says thiswill be the time of Jacob's
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trouble.
Now let me give you anotherlittle tidbit here.
Okay, think about Jacob.
He had two wives Remember thewives' names?
Two sisters.
Matt (20:57):
I didn't tell you.
You just said that Rachel,rachel and Leah, leah.
Yeah, yeah, and Rachel, thatRachel and Leah Rachel.
And Bilhah and Zilpah.
Brandon (21:07):
Those were the handmaids, those were the
mothers of the 12 boys Bilhah,zilpah, rachel and Leah.
Now here's the deal.
Remember Jacob?
He went and he had to work forwhat he thought was Rachel, yeah
, and then his father-in-law,laban, did the old switcheroo on
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him, right, and he woke up withLeah the next morning.
Okay, how long did he have towork for her?
Seven years.
He had to work for her forseven years, okay, so he worked
for what he thought was Rachelfor seven years.
Laban gave him Leah and said Ican't marry the older or the
younger before the oldest.
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Okay, then he had to work sevenmore years.
Now, let me say this to youthere was two seven-year periods
in the life of Jacob.
Okay, that he had to work forthose wives, and so numbers can
be very important in Scriptureand understanding it.
Okay, so here we're talkingabout the final seven years of
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human history.
Okay, and it's referred to byJeremiah as the time of Jacob's
trouble.
Okay, jacob had two significantseven-year periods in his life.
All, right, jacob's name waschanged to Israel.
Can I present to you something?
Matt?
Israel has had two verysignificant, has and will have
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two very significant seven-yearperiods in their history.
Okay, we know the final sevenyears, or Daniel's 70th week, is
going to be focused on the Jewsand on Jerusalem.
So that is, the final sevenyears are Jewish-focused.
But I'll present this to you,and I've thought this for a long
time If you study history from1938 to 1945, that was a pretty
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significant seven-year period inthe nation of Israel and that
is what we know of as the riseof Hitler, the Holocaust, the
beginning of concentration camps, things like that.
So just a little tidbit.
I don't know what you want todo with that, but the number
seven, in relation to Israel andrelation to the end times and
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them as a nation, is verysignificant.
Matt (23:24):
Yeah, something we're going to have to do sometime is
do an episode on Bible names.
Brandon (23:31):
Yeah.
Matt (23:31):
And meanings behind names and stuff, because that gets
really really crazy.
It does.
Brandon (23:39):
It does.
So is there a seven-year periodtalked about in Scripture?
Yes, it's talked about byDaniel, it's talked about by
Jeremiah and we talked about inDaniel, chapter 9, verse number
27,.
It says that he, the Antichrist, the leader in the end times,
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will make a covenant for oneweek or for seven years, and
then it says in the midst ofthat week.
Okay, so I want to look now at,if we will, there's a couple
scriptures that talk about aseven-year period, and then
there's a lot of scriptures thattalk about in the middleyear
period, and then there's a lotof scriptures that talk about in
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the middle of the week or inthe middle of the seven years,
something happens.
So we're trying to put ourfinger on how long is this in
these last days, once they start?
So let's look at Matthew 24,matt, if you want to look at
that one, and I'll Matthew 24,.
Let's look at Matthew 24, matt,if you want to look at that one
, and I'll Matthew 24, versenumber 21.
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Jesus, this is his OlivetDiscourse and he's talking end
times prophecy with Peter, jamesand John here.
Let's see what he says.
Matt (24:52):
Okay, so for then, shall the great tribulation, such as
was not since the beginning ofthe world to this time, no, nor
ever shall be.
And except those days should beshortened, there should be no
flesh be saved.
But for the elect's sake, thosedays shall be shortened.
Brandon (25:11):
Okay, so that's Matthew , chapter 24.
Okay, and so if we look atMatthew 24, it says that there
is coming on the earth at thattime.
It says great tribulation.
Okay, now, that is in versenumber 21.
Okay, for then shall be greattribulation.
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Now, if you back up to versenumber 15.
Yeah, okay, it says go aheadand read that, matt, verse
number 15, if you got that.
Matt (25:41):
When you, therefore, shall see the abomination of
desolation spoken of by Daniel,the prophet, stand in the holy
place.
Whoso readeth, let himunderstand Okay.
Brandon (25:52):
So he talks about the abomination of desolation.
Okay, and I want you to followalong here.
I don't want you to lose usbecause this gets complicated
stuff here.
But it says that Jesus says inverse 15 of Matthew 24 that
there is going to be anabomination of desolation.
That happens later on and weknow from some other scriptures
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that that happens in the middleof the week.
Now let's go back to Daniel 9and let me refresh your memory.
He shall confirm the covenantwith many for one week we know
that's seven years and in themidst of the week the word midst
, there is the word middle.
In the middle of the week heshall cause the sacrifice and
the oblation to cease and forthe overspreading of
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abominations.
So Daniel, 600 years beforeChrist, says there's going to be
a final seven years.
In the middle of the sevenyears there's going to be a
blasphemous abomination ofdesolation.
Jesus, when we get to Matthew24, says Daniel said there's
going to be abomination ofdesolation and this is when it's
going to happen.
When's it going to happen?
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It's going to happen in themiddle of the week or in the
middle of the week of years.
Matt (27:02):
And to those people that say this 70th week has already
happened, they'll say oh, thiswas fulfilled by Antiochus
Epiphanes.
That was before the time ofChrist.
Brandon (27:17):
Okay, so you're referencing a lot of preterists.
Preterists believe that most ofthe things that we say are
prophetic have actually alreadyhappened in history.
There's a big argument outthere that Daniel 9 has already
been fulfilled.
And it was fulfilled.
You know the abomination ofdesolation by Antiochus
Epiphanes in about what?
Matt (27:36):
168, something like that.
Brandon (27:38):
BC.
Alright, now the problem withthat is this.
Explain it, because you'remaking a point here.
Matt (27:44):
The problem is Jesus is in 32 AD, 200 years, 200 years
After, after Antiochus,antiochus, okay, okay, jesus.
In another portion in Matthew,actually, it says that they're
walking in the colonnade Right.
In another portion in Matthew,actually, it says that they're
walking in the colonnade at thetemple celebrating the festival
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of lights or festival ofdedication, which is Hanukkah,
which we know of as Hanukkah.
Which is a celebration of whenthe Jews defeated the Greeks in
Antiochus Epiphanes.
Brandon (28:17):
And cleansed the temple from the.
Matt (28:19):
From the abomination that Antiochus Epiphanes and cleansed
the temple from the, from theabomination that Antiochus
brought.
Brandon (28:22):
Okay, so basically, to surmise the abomination, if you
believe that Antiochus Epiphanesdid it, it was 200 years later
that Jesus said there's coming aday, and in the middle of the
week, in the middle of the sevenyears, that abomination is
going to happen again.
It's going to happen again.
It's going to happen again.
So to my friends that believethat Antiochus Epiphanes
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fulfilled this, I would say thisMaybe he was a type that did
fulfill it.
Maybe he did abomination ofdesolation and yes, but there's
so much to biblical prophecy.
There's layers and layers.
It's like an onion Just becauseyou found one layer does not
mean that the next layer cannotbe true as well.
Just because AntiochusEpiphanes fulfilled this
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scripture doesn't mean thatJesus is any less wrong in
saying that it's going to befulfilled again.
Matt (29:14):
There's multiple layers, yeah, and I dove way down that
rabbit hole one time andliterally that verse right there
brought me back out of thatrabbit hole.
I'm like, okay, oh, wow, allthis stuff has already been
completed, Holy cow.
And then, oh, wait a minute.
Jesus is saying this 200 yearslater.
Brandon (29:34):
It's understanding the chronology of it.
But Jesus says there's going tobe an abomination of desolation
.
It's written by Daniel and whenyou see that, okay, it's going
to usher in.
So remember this.
Okay, it's going to happen inthe middle of the week, okay.
So the week is seven years.
In the middle of the sevenyears, which is three and a half
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years, all right, you're goingto have this abomination of
desolation.
And then verse 21 says thenshall be great tribulation, all
right.
So where does the termtribulation come from?
The term tribulation comes fromscriptures like this the great
tribulation, all right.
It is never referred to as thetribulation.
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Okay, it is referred to thelast half of it as the great
tribulation.
So I wouldn't make a big dealout of referring to all of the
seven years as the tribulation,okay.
So matthew 24 is an importantum scripture for defining how
long this you know, is there atribulation period?
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Yes, it is seven years long.
The last half of it is calledthe Great Tribulation.
And I want to read a verse inRevelation as well, because it
says kind of the same thing andI just want to make sure that
we're grounded in the word.
Revelation 7, verse 14 saysthis and I said unto him, sir,
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thou knowest.
And he said to me these arethey which came out of great
tribulation and have washed therobes and made them white in the
blood of the Lamb.
Okay, so we have seenscriptures that talk about seven
years.
We've talked about seven yearsfocused on Jerusalem, seven
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years focused on the Jewishpeople and on Jerusalem.
We've seen it described as thetime of Jacob's trouble.
We have seen that there's goingto be an event in the middle of
the seven years, which is threeand a half years in.
And we're about to get a lotmore specific, not just in seven
year increments or three and ahalf.
The Bible gets very descriptiveof down to the days and the
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months and the days.
So I just want to be clear thatthese timeframes that some of
you have heard and maybe some ofyou frankly have not heard are
scriptural and they're in theBible.
The abomination of desolationhappens three and a half years
into a week of years Daniel 9,matthew 24.
Okay, anything to add to thatbefore we go on?
Matt (32:06):
I don't think so.
I think we'll get to thethoughts that are popping in my
head right now in a few minutes.
Brandon (32:12):
Well, let's look here, revelation 11.
This is right after John istold to take a read and measure
the temple of God, the altar,and those that worship therein,
them that worship therein, butthe court verse 2, which is
without the temple.
Leave out and measure it not,for it is given unto the
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Gentiles.
And the holy city shall theytread.
What's the holy city?
The holy city is Jerusalem.
And the holy city shall theytread underfoot?
Now watch this.
40 and two months, 42 months,okay, so we have a seven-year
period.
In the middle we have an eventthat is very significant, called
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the abomination of desolation,okay, and that is where the
temple will be violated.
And the Bible says that theAntichrist will set himself up
to be God, to be God as God asGod.
What is that?
Second Thessalonians, I thinkso.
Look that up real quick.
I've got it right here alreadyOkay.
Matt (33:17):
So Second Thessalonalonians, 2, verse 4.
Okay, who opposes and exaltethhimself above all that is called
God or that is worshipped, sothat he, as God, sitteth in the
temple of God, showing himselfthat he is God?
Brandon (33:38):
So, and that's what scripture again.
Matt (33:40):
That is 2 Thessalonians, 2 , verse 4.
Brandon (33:44):
Okay, All right.
So 2 Thessalonians talks aboutthe Antichrist.
It's talking about the man, theman of sin, the man of son of
perdition, setting himself up inthe temple of God to be God and
to be worshiped as God.
Okay, this is what we'recalling the abomination of
desperation.
Matt (34:02):
So he confirms to himself that he is God.
Brandon (34:04):
Right, so he's talking about that.
That confirms what Daniel said.
That confirms what Jesus saidin Matthew 24.
And it also confirms thatthere's an event in the middle
of the seven years.
Okay, and that's what it is Now.
Watch this.
It also confirms that there'san event in the middle of the
seven years.
Okay, and that's what it is Now.
Watch this.
It says back to Revelation 11,too, that the city will be
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trampled underfoot for 42 months.
Okay, forty-two months is threeand a half years.
The Jewish people obviouslyhave 12 months in their calendar
30-day months, okay, so 360-dayyears.
42 months is exactly three andone half years.
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Okay, so underline that in yourBible.
There's some language intalking about prophecy that you
need to know Seven years,tribulation period, 42 months.
That phrase, 1260 days andthere's one that we're going to
look at too times times and halfa time.
Matt (35:08):
Okay, so this is all kind of mysterious language, but we
need to understand it'sreferencing the same thing and
it's difficult language to usbecause the calendar has changed
.
From the Jewish calendar, theircalendar is a lunar-based
calendar.
It's got the same number ofdays basically every month,
within half a day, more or less.
Brandon (35:30):
Right.
If we look over at Revelation12, verse number 6, we see
another time frame mentioned.
The Bible says and the womanfled into the wilderness, where
she hath a place prepared of Godthat they should feed her there
a thousand two hundred andthreescore days, so that is 1260
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days, all right.
So here we have another timetimeframe mentioned that breaks
up into three and a half yearincrements.
So basically, what we're sayingis is there a seven year end to
the world?
Yes, it is divided in half.
There's the first half and thesecond half.
The second half is known as thegreat tribulation.
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The second half is alsoreferred to as 42 months, 1260
days, and so we just want you tobe aware of this language.
And the woman in Revelation,chapter number 12, is Israel, if
you study it out, and she'sbeing protected and shielded by
God and provision is made forher for three and one half years
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.
Okay, all right.
So I guess let's go on a littlefarther, a little further down
the line times, times and half atime.
Matt (36:45):
Okay, if we go back to daniel uh, you got daniel 7, 25
7, 25, and he shall speak greatwords against the Most High and
shall wear out the saints of theMost High and think to change
times and laws, and they shallbe given into his hand until a
time and times and the dividingof time.
Brandon (37:08):
Time, times and the dividing of time.
Okay, so it's describing theend times into times, times in
the dividing of time.
Let me read this one and thenwe'll talk about it.
Revelation or, I'm sorry,daniel 12, 7 says and I heard
the man clothed in linen whichwas upon the waters of the river
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when he held up his right handand his left hand unto heaven
and swore by him that liveth,forever and ever, that it should
be for a time, times and a half, and when he shall have
accomplished to scatter thepower of the holy people and
these things shall be finished.
So there's this phrasereferring to this, uh, um, this
leader having power, the endtimes, time, times and the
(37:52):
dividing of time, time, timesand times and a half.
Okay, so think about it.
What is times, times and thedividing of time, time, times
and a half?
Okay, well, one year is time.
Two years is times Two moreyears is times plural, so that
makes three, and then thedividing of time is half
(38:13):
Dividing of time, or half oftime, half of time.
So you can logically come upthat that is talking about three
and one half years Time timesand half a time.
Okay, so three and a half years, or it is referred to, as we
just looked at, in Revelation 11and 12, and, matt, we forgot
(38:33):
one, so we'll throw that out inRevelation 13, where it's
referred to as 42 months or 1260days.
Matt (38:41):
I think you got revelation 13, 5 yeah, and there was given
unto him a mouth speaking greatthings and blasphemies, and
power was given unto him tocontinue 42, 40 and two months.
Okay, so 40, and that's againspeaking about the beast or the
antichrist.
Brandon (38:58):
Right, yeah, right.
So 42 months is used.
And I've got one more inrevelation 12, where it says
about the woman again, and tothe woman we're given two wings
of a great Eagle that she mightfly into the wilderness, into
her place where she is nourishedfor a time and times and half a
time from the face of theserpent.
Okay, so we've looked atseveral scriptures.
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Let's kind of back up and putit into broad strokes here.
We have talked about that.
There is a talked about byDaniel, a coming seven-year
period, a final seven-yearperiod.
Okay, a coming seven-yearperiod, a final seven-year
period?
Okay, the final seven yearswill be broken down into the
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first half and the second half,and that is known as the Great
Tribulation, is known as thesecond half, or the second half
is known as the GreatTribulation.
It is divided into 1260 days,42 months time times and half a
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time, or the dividing of time,and it is talked about, and in
the middle of that, at that time, when the second half starts,
it will be started by an eventknown as the abomination of
desolation, talked about inMatthew 24.
Talked about in 2 Thessalonians2.
And talked about in Daniel 9.
Matt (40:25):
And talked about in.
Brandon (40:26):
Revelation 13.
Yep, absolutely.
So we set out tonight to reallydefine.
You know, what is thetribulation period?
Is there a tribulation period?
What does it mean?
Okay, so I think we've learnedabout.
Yes, there is a seven-yeartimeline, it's divided into two
(40:48):
and all those things, but Idon't want us to forget as well
the purpose of it.
Okay, forget as well thepurpose of it.
Okay, the purpose of it, asDaniel 9, 24 said, that 70 weeks
(41:09):
are determined upon thy peopleand thy holy city.
Okay, and so I want you tounderstand because this goes
back to episode six and seven.
We argued over pre-trib,post-trib, mid-trib, and my
stance is that the church ofJesus Christ is not going to be
here for this final seven years,that we are raptured or
harpazzoed, caught away beforethe seven years begins.
(41:32):
Okay, that's my premise.
Why begins?
Okay, that's my premise.
Why?
One of the reasons?
Why is because the purpose ofthe tribulation is to drive
Israel back to their God, and itis Israel focused and Jewish
people focused and Jerusalemfocused and not church focused.
(41:54):
Okay, so that's one of myarguments.
All right, now I want to look atas we wrap up tonight.
I want to look at 2Thessalonians once again, and I
want you to just follow my logichere for a second.
If I can find 2 Thessaloniansin my Bible, second
(42:18):
Thessalonians in my Bible, sosecond Thessalonians, chapter
number two okay, we see thatthis talks a lot about the.
I'm in first Thessalonians, yougot it, I got it right here.
There it is.
So it talks a lot about theAntichrist, the setting up of
his kingdom, and Paul isaddressing this to the church in
Thessalonica.
Verse three says let no mandeceive you by any means for
(42:41):
that day okay, referencing thecoming of the Lord and ushering
in the time of tribulation.
For that day shall not comeexcept there come a falling away
first and that man of sin berevealed, the son of perdition,
okay, way first.
And that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, okay.
Now remember, daniel told us inDaniel 9 that the thing that
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starts the 70th week is he, theAntichrist, confirms a covenant
for seven years.
So there's going to be a peaceagreement that starts this
seven-year timeline and theAntichrist for lack of a better
term is going to be part of thegroup confirming that covenant.
Okay, but 2 Thessalonians tellsus that that son of perdition
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won't even be revealed untilthere comes a falling away first
, okay, and then he is revealed.
And as we keep reading, noticethis it says for the mystery of
iniquity doth already work.
Only he who now letteth willlet until he be taken out of the
way.
(43:46):
That's Old English, the wordlet there for the word hinder.
Only he who now hinders will beremoved so that he's not
hindering anymore, and then thatwicked shall be revealed.
So if you study 2 Thessalonians, here's my point.
(44:08):
The Antichrist cannot, okay.
His first act is to be part ofa group that confirms the
covenant with the Jewish peopleand toward Jerusalem.
All right, he cannot berevealed until the.
He cannot be revealed until theone that is hindering and
holding back wickedness.
We talked about this during ourrapture talks and I believe
that's the Holy Spirit who livesin us.
(44:29):
We are the temple of the HolySpirit on this earth.
We are taken away.
Thus the Holy Spirit is takenaway, which ushers in the wicked
one, the son of perdition, tobe revealed, and then he makes a
covenant for seven years.
So under that logic and I don'tthink I mean you may not agree
with it, but I think you canfollow my logic.
As you know, it's notimplausible.
(44:52):
So as you make that argumentyou know that's what leads me to
a pre-tribulation stance on therapture is because all of that
must happen before theAntichrist is revealed and makes
the covenant.
If that makes sense, push back,man, if you've got any pushback
.
Matt (45:13):
Okay, so is it.
Is he revealed when he makesthe covenant, or or is he
revealed when he sets himself up?
Brandon (45:21):
as God.
Matt (45:23):
That's the typical pushback from you, know like if
you're a mid-trib or post-wrathor pre-wrath.
Brandon (45:31):
I will say this I don't .
I think that's a good, validargument and pushback.
You know, I think the burden ofthe evidence points to he's
probably revealed in some way.
I think he's part of a group,you know.
It talks about the little hornthat comes up and it talks about
(45:52):
the seven other horns in one,you know.
So he is part of a group, he'spart of a structure, but he also
has to be known somewhat.
He's in power somewhat toconfirm the covenant of Daniel 9
.
So he is known.
(46:15):
I wonder if people I think he'sbetter known at the midpoint.
Matt (46:19):
I think at the midpoint they actually recognize him as
the Antichrist.
Some people do.
Brandon (46:27):
Well, let me push back on that or not push back on it,
but let me just throw anotherscenario out there.
I believe that the okay well, 2Thessalonians 3, and I know
that we're getting we're talkingabout tribulation, but we're
just doing some speculation here, having some fun as we wrap
this up but it says that he isthe son of perdition.
(46:50):
The word perdition is the worddestruction.
Okay, he is the son ofperdition, all right.
Now the Bible says that theAntichrist will suffer a deadly
head wound.
When, chronologically, doesthat happen?
Is it possible and I think yesthat the Antichrist is part of a
(47:10):
group that confirms a covenant?
Sometime during that he beginsto rise to leadership and is
assassinated or attemptedassassination, and then either
doesn't die or dies and israised back to life somehow okay
, people argue over that andthen at that point, declares
(47:30):
himself to be god and that'swhen he got kind of goes
full-blown antichrist at themidpoint, after an assassination
.
Matt (47:37):
That's what some people have speculated and the thing is
, when he sets himself up in thetemple, the majority of the
earth is probably going tobelieve that he is God at that
point.
Brandon (47:48):
Well, he's going to be able to do some crazy stuff.
Matt (47:52):
Which is one of the reasons why the church needs to
be out of here by then.
Brandon (47:56):
Absolutely, absolutely.
So we have speculated some, butI think we've answered some
questions.
We've answered that there isclearly biblical evidence that
there is a final seven yearscoming on the earth.
If you call that thetribulation, or you call it
Daniel's 70th week, or you callit the time of Jacob's trouble,
you'd all be correct in what youdescribe it.
(48:16):
The last three and a half yearsof that seven years are called
the Great Tribulation.
It's going to be a time that'sgoing to be really bad on the
earth and the days have to beshortened or no humanity would
be left alive is what Matthew 24says.
And then there's an abominationof desolation.
At that midpoint the Antichristwhether he's known from day one
(48:37):
or better known, or however youview that in the middle of the
week, the seven years, there isan abomination of desolation
event where he sets himself upas God.
And then the last three and ahalf years get really even more
terrible than the first three aswe go through.
Any parting thoughts here, matt?
Matt (48:59):
No, I'm just thinking.
You know, when you're readingthrough Revelation with all the
judgments, you know that thewrath part really comes in
towards that end.
Piece of that the bowls andthings like that.
Brandon (49:14):
But in Revelation 6, at the start of it, it's already
referenced as the wrath of theLamb and things like that.
So, yep, so very interestingtopic that we're discussing.
Basically, we just want toapproach and say, hey, I believe
in a seven-year tribulation.
Is that biblical?
Yes, I think you could say thatthat is biblical.
You can back it up.
(49:34):
Yes, I think you could say thatthat is biblical, you can back
it up.
The time frame, the time times,half a time, 1260 days, 70th
week, all that stuff adds up tothat, we have firm footing to
stand on.
Matt (49:46):
And it's not one scripture that you're basing an entire
belief system on.
It's scattered throughout theBible.
In several passages.
It really is Written by severaldifferent people across a
thousand years Absolutely Well,600, 700 years.
Brandon (50:03):
Yeah, long time.
So I guess we'll leave thatthere tonight, and what we're
going to do next time on ournext episode is we're going to
discuss some other events on theprophetic calendar.
We're going to begin to definethem, much like we did the
tribulation tonight, and we'regoing to begin to place them in
chronological order, as much aswe can glean from Scripture and
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hopefully give you a betterunderstanding of the Bible that
we all love and get to read.
We thank you guys for tuning intonight to episode number eight
of the Bible Says podcast.
I'm Brandon and this is Matt,and we want to wish you a good
night.
God bless you and your familyand thank you for tuning in.
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