July 17, 2024 • 54 mins
Welcome to Episode 9 of The Bible Says Podcast! Join hosts Brandon Matheson and Matt Hunter as they continue their deep dive into biblical prophecy. This week, they explore the Millennial Reign of Christ, a thousand-year period following the Tribulation, and the magnificent New Jerusalem that follows.
Key topics include:
- Review of previous discussions on the Rapture and Tribulation.
- Biblical evidence of a seven-year Tribulation period.
- Detailed exploration of the Millennial Reign from Revelation 20.
- Understanding the literal interpretation of the thousand-year reign.
- The role of believers during the Millennial Kingdom.
- Insights into the new heaven and new earth post-Millennium.
- A vivid description of the New Jerusalem and its significance.
Discover the breathtaking details of the New Jerusalem, described as having streets of gold, gates of pearl, and foundations adorned with precious stones. Learn how this heavenly city represents the ultimate fulfillment of God's promise to dwell with His people.
This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in eschatology and biblical prophecy. Be sure to like, share, and subscribe for more in-depth biblical teachings!
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Brandon (00:09):
What does the Bible say ?
The Bible says the Bible sayspodcast.
All right, welcome back.
This is episode number nine.
We're just rolling right along,aren't we?
(00:31):
Yeah, we are.
We have been in a veryinteresting, very cool topic
here for the last really threeor four episodes really three or
four episodes.
We've been talking prophecy andspent a couple episodes talking
about the rapture of the church, that event and talking about
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the different viewpoints on itpre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib
and really got to dive in onthat.
And then we took the lastepisode, episode eight, and
talked about what is thetribulation that you guys were
talking about?
So we wanted to define that.
So we were talking about thepre and the post and the mid.
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So we wanted to define thetribulation part and see if it
was biblical.
But we want to just welcome youback to the Bible Says podcast,
episode nine and, of course, asalways, I'm Brandon Matheson and
this is— I'm Matt Hunter, mattHunter and we get to do the
Bible Says Podcast.
It's a podcast where we diginto the Bible, make sure that
our beliefs are firmly foundedon Scripture and that I'm not
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holding a lot of beliefs that Ican't defend clearly and don't
have a lot of ammunition todefend it with Scripture.
That's what we want to do, andso, matt, you got anything to
add or say before we?
Matt (01:55):
jump in here tonight.
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(02:15):
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Brandon (02:27):
Doing long form, short form, all that kind of stuff.
So it's good, good, good, goodand it's been a blessing.
Get the word out there.
If you guys want, we would loveto hear from you so you can
chime in on our videos.
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Matt (02:45):
Yeah, they can send us email as well through the
website.
Yeah, they can send us email aswell.
Um, yeah, and we've actuallyhad several comments.
You know, people agreeing withus, giving us their opinion,
right.
Um good, you know it.
There's been a few little nastyones here and there.
You know that's to be expected.
Nobody's you know rapturedoubters complete.
Brandon (03:00):
There's no rapture kind of stuff and right you know,
well, we're not going toconvince everybody and we're not
here to convince younecessarily to change your views
.
We just want you to make surethat you line up with the
Scripture.
And if I make sure that I lineup with Scripture and you make
sure you line up with Scripture,we should all come out in the
wash, right.
So, anyway, we want to jump inhere tonight.
(03:23):
Last time we were together, as Isaid a minute ago, we were
talking about the tribulationand we answered whether there is
a seven-year tribulation and isthat number?
First of all, is it right torefer to a final set of years as
a tribulation?
If it is, what is the biblicalbasis that it's seven years long
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?
And so we kind of laid that outaccording to Daniel and
according to the book ofRevelation and several verses in
Daniel, where it really breaksthat seven-year period down in
halves and it's pretty clear itdefines it as 1,260 days, 42
months time times half a halves,and it's pretty clear it
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defines it as 1260 days, 42months time times, half a time,
and 70th week, week of years,things like that.
So there's quite a bit ofbiblical footing to rest upon
that.
There is a seven-year period atthe end prior to the second
coming of Christ and it'sdivided into two and a big event
right in the middle,abomination of desolation.
So we did a lot of basis forthat belief system there.
(04:32):
So we want to move on tonightbecause our goal for last time
and these next couple is to toreally address eschatological
events that are upcoming andgive you kind of a description
of what they are, but alsohopefully be able to put them in
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.
Matt (04:54):
You like that word, don't you?
Brandon (04:55):
What Eschatological?
Yeah, I like saying it.
I can't say it very well,though I can't either.
I can say eschatology, buteschatological gets hard.
Matt (05:06):
Yes, uh, so if I miss, uh, yeah, so it just doesn't roll
off the tongue very easily sowe're looking at all those
events that are going to happenin the future right at some
point.
So what's next on the list?
Brandon (05:18):
next on the event list.
In my opinion, um is, uh, therapture of the church.
I do not think that there isanything on the prophetic
calendar that has to happenfirst, so just spoken like a
good pre-tribber, yeah.
Matt (05:32):
Yeah, what about you?
This is true.
Well, honestly, I believe thesame.
Brandon (05:36):
Okay, well, yeah, I think that's it.
Matt (05:41):
But next on our podcast list, we talked about
tribulation last time, right, sowhat is?
Brandon (05:45):
after about tribulation last time, right?
Matt (05:46):
So what is after the tribulation?
Brandon (05:47):
What comes after the tribulation.
Well, I'm glad you asked, matt.
You set me right up, right, Iwas trying, you were trying and
I wasn't taking the bait.
What do I think?
I think it's pre-trib rapture,matt.
Yeah, I know, I love it.
No, so I'll take your leading alittle bit better next time.
We're all good, I'll watch forit.
(06:08):
No, that's what we want to talkabout.
Tonight is the next.
So you know, in my view, wehave a rapture that's the next
event, followed by the 70 years,which is the 70th week of
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Daniel, a set of years, sevenyears long, divided into two
halves, called the tribulationperiod, for lack of a better
term.
And so you got rapture, andthen you got a seven-year
tribulation and at the end ofthat you have the second coming
of Christ.
We talked about that in ourrapture talk, our rapture talk.
And then what is ushered intoat that point is what and this
is an argued over, as most ofthis stuff is an argued over
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belief, but there seems to bebiblically what we're going to
present to you tonight is thatthere is a period that lasts for
1,000 years, referred to as themillennium, or the 1,000-year
reign of Christ, or themillennial reign of Christ.
And there is actually a lot ofscripture that talks about this.
In fact, and I don't thinkwe're going to get into it.
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But if you go read Ezekiel,chapter 40 through 48, it is all
description of the millennialkingdom, the millennial temple.
It lays it out, and none ofthose scriptures have been
fulfilled at this point and it'sreferring to the millennium.
Now there are people who say,brandon, you are going to look
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at some scriptures in Revelationand it talks about a
thousand-year period and that'sall figurative and it's all.
It's not literal.
And God, you know God is notsaying it's a thousand years
long, he's saying it's just areally long time.
And he's using the wordthousand there because it's a
big number and he didn't reallymean literally 1,000 years.
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Well, we're going to look herein just a moment.
I'm going to read to youRevelation 20, verse 1 through 7
, and I think he says it five orsix times, Five times, I'm
pretty sure, 1,000 years, and hesays it in seven verses.
So if he didn't mean 1,000years, he sure said it a whole
lot.
And remember our hermeneuticsas far as speaking for myself
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and Matt we take the Bibleliterally and we kind of chew
through it like that.
And if it's not clearmetaphoric language, we take it
literally, unless it presentsitself otherwise.
And if he says a thousand years, I think he meant a thousand
years.
And if he said the ox, you know, the ax head floated and the
walls fell and the dead wereraised.
(08:49):
I just kind of they call megullible, but I believe he meant
it literally.
Matt (08:53):
Yeah, that's the way you've got to do it.
Yeah, honestly, if you readyour Bible, it will actually
help you interpret it itself.
Brandon (09:03):
I think so.
I think so.
It will actually help youinterpret it itself.
I think so.
I think so.
Well, let's look at thisupcoming period of time, known
as well.
I'm going to call it themillennium.
I don't know that that term isnecessarily used, but it just
means 1,000.
So we're going to refer to itas the millennium, this
1,000-year reign of Christ.
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So, revelation, chapter 20, andfor you, astute Bible readers,
20,.
Revelation, chapter 20 comesafter Revelation 19.
Did you know that it does so?
19 to 20,.
Revelation 19 covers themarriage supper of the Lamb, it
covers the battle of Armageddonand the second coming of Jesus
and he puts down the enemy, andit goes right into Revelation 20
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, which describes what happensafter the second coming.
So that's why you know and Ithink that question came up two
or three episodes ago about isthe book of Revelation written
in chronological order, and Ithink you have to follow it that
way.
It's not all.
There are parentheticalpassages, but I think for the
most part it does build and growand, just like a story would
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unfold and climaxes at thesecond coming and then ushers in
what we're about to read nextRevelation, chapter 20,.
Let's read and I saw an angelcome down from heaven having the
key of the bottomless pit and agreat chain in his hand, Okay,
and he laid hold on the dragon,that old serpent which is the
devil and Satan, and bound him athousand years.
(10:37):
Okay, so here we see an angeltaking Satan and binding him for
a thousand years.
And I know what some of yousmart alecks are going to say
out there.
You're going to say, yeah, youtake the thousand year part.
You know, literally, do youtake the chain part, literally
as well, that he's going to beon a big old chain and all that
kind of stuff.
Maybe, maybe, I don't know.
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I just don't automaticallyassume that it's not literal.
Could it be figurative in thatlanguage?
Yes, but I think chain is notsaid five or six times, a
thousand years is reiteratedover and over and over.
Matt (11:13):
It depends on who made the chain.
Brandon (11:14):
Yeah, have you heard those?
And I don't know.
They say there's someprophecies about the Euphrates
River drying up.
Have you heard those demonicsounds coming from the bottom of
the Euphrates River and itsounds like chains moving?
Now, is that evidence?
It's not evidence like this,but is it pretty interesting?
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Yeah, is it pretty spooky?
Matt (11:37):
Yeah, so maybe real chains , I don't know, like entire
cities showing up under theEuphrates River kind of stuff.
It's crazy.
Brandon (11:46):
It really is crazy.
Matt (11:47):
Crazy looking stuff.
Brandon (11:49):
Yeah, absolutely so.
Let's read on.
And he laid hold on the dragon,that old serpent which is the
devil and Satan, and shut him upand set a seal upon him that he
should deceive the nations nomore, till the thousand years
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should be fulfilled.
So there's a second time usesthe words thousand years, and
after that he must be loosed alittle season.
So the first three versesdescribe so.
After Jesus's second coming, thetribulation is over.
Jesus has come back.
He takes Satan, the devil,satan, that old serpent, and he
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puts him in the bottomless pitfor a thousand years.
At the end of the thousandyears he's going to be released,
we'll talk about that, but he'sput in there for a thousand
years.
Verse number four says and thisbuilds upon this is what he saw
next.
And I saw thrones and they satupon them.
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And this builds upon this iswhat he saw next his mark upon
their foreheads or in theirhands.
And they lived and reigned withChrist a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead livednot again until the thousand
years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he thathath part in the first
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resurrection and such the seconddeath hath no power, but they
shall be priest of God and ofChrist and shall reign with him
a thousand years.
Okay, so we're not going tobreak down every little snippet
of those verses, but verses four, five and six lay out that
there are thrones and those whohave been saved, trusting in
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Christ, sit on thrones and ruleand reign verse 4, with Christ a
thousand years.
All right, so when we talkabout a millennial event, we are
talking about a 1,000-yearperiod where Jesus, christ
himself is going to sit on thethrone and be King Jesus over
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the whole earth and those whoare his are going to rule and
reign with him.
Is that your understanding?
Matt (14:21):
Pretty much yeah.
Brandon (14:22):
Pretty much.
Matt (14:22):
Okay, so a few arguments, things that I've seen on that.
Okay, um, that it's not allthose who have died before don't
come back, right, okay.
Some people say that it's justthe people who went through the
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tribulation that go into themillennium and were martyred and
go into the millennium.
Brandon (14:50):
Right?
Well, if you study themillennium, it gets pretty crazy
, because there's a lot of NewTestament language.
Paul talks a lot about thisthat we are going to rule and
reign with Christ.
We are going to be rewardedwith rulership, yes, okay.
So those of us who have diedwho are in heaven Now let me say
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this though Come back duringthe second coming.
Matt (15:16):
Well that's the argument.
Yeah, that's my thought on it,okay.
Brandon (15:22):
Well, entering into the millennium, think about this
Okay, there's going to be thoseof us who have died and gone on
to heaven, those of us who areraptured and in heaven, okay, we
never died, we were harpotsered.
If me or you or whoever's right, pre, post, mid, somewhere
along the line either pre-trib,mid-trib or post-trib, you're
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going to be raptured, you'regoing to be raptured, you're
going to be with the Lord andthen he's going to set up his
kingdom and you're going to ruleand reign with him.
Okay.
But then here's the crazy thingthat most people don't think of
there are people who are goingto live through the tribulation.
Okay, there's going to bepeople who are going to live
through the tribulation and gointo the thousand-year reign as
human beings who've never died.
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They've never.
They were not believers, theygot saved during the tribulation
and they're going into themillennium.
Okay.
Matt (16:14):
So you have human beings and you just brought up a point
that breaks a lot of people'shearts and destroys a lot of
people's theology.
What you just said people aresaved during the tribulation
period.
Brandon (16:24):
Oh, that's undoubtable.
I've heard preachers say that.
Matt (16:27):
You can't defend that, but I've heard preachers.
Brandon (16:31):
I'll take it a step further.
I think the greatest revivalthe world will ever see will
happen during the tribulation.
Yeah, okay, the Bible says thatthere were so many.
After the 144,000 are released,there's 12,000 preachers from
each of the tribes of Israel andthey start preaching, and then
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there's so many people savedthat you couldn't count them.
That's what Revelation says inchapter, is it 7, 8, something
like that?
So, yeah, I mean, yeah, Iabsolutely believe that, and I
too have heard preachers saywell, you know, if you reject
Christ here, you'll never getanother chance.
I don't recommend rejectingChrist in this life.
I don't want you to go into thetribulation period because
there's no guarantee of anything.
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But there are plenty of peoplesaved during the tribulation
period, plenty of people.
So, yeah, that's not evendebated.
You just don't know your Bible.
If you say that, you reallydon't, you're ignorant.
But you know, you're like me,You've heard it, I have, I have.
But yeah, you get me fired upon this, on ignorance, clearly
defining, you know, just denyingwhat's right there.
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But so there is an event comingRevelation 21 through 7, where
Jesus is going to reign.
You can argue over who that isreigning with, but there's, you
know, jesus is here, he'sreigning, he's reigning and
people are reigning with him.
Okay, I believe that's thechurch, I believe that's those
of us who have been rewarded forfaithful service.
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But this is, there's a reign ofJesus described, and it says in
verse 7, and when the thousandyears are expired, satan should
be loosed out of his prison.
Okay, now I guess we can goahead and address that.
Why would Jesus chain up Satanand then let him go again at the
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thousand years?
Matt (18:23):
That always bugs me.
I don't like it.
Put him down, chunk him in halfyears that always bugs me.
Well, I don't like it Put himdown chunk him in head, I know,
like a fire.
Brandon (18:31):
I'm going to tell you why.
Okay, because I was.
I got to the second ago.
People live through thetribulation.
Yep, not everybody died, okay,um, so uh, those believers who
accepted Christ during thetribulation.
They go into the millennium as,or the thousand years, as human
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beings.
They procreate and they havebabies, and those babies must
still be saved, must put theirtrust in Christ.
Not all of them will.
Population explodes for athousand years under King Jesus.
Okay, people are having babies,all right, then keep in mind
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they're under Jesus's rule.
There is no Satan out there,deceive the nations once again,
and he will be successful andget the nations to rebel against
Jesus at the end of thethousand years one more time.
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So why does Jesus lock him up,keep him for a thousand years
and then let him loose?
Because there's people on earthwho've never made their
decision yet whether they'regoing to choose Christ or reject
Christ, and they must choose.
And Satan manages, at the endof that, to deceive all of them.
And that's why the Bible saysthat the last enemy that will be
defeated is death, because atthat point there will be no more
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humanity procreating, creatingnew life.
That's my answer.
Yeah, okay, hope that didn'tconfuse you.
Matt (20:13):
And one thing you know in the millennial reign, what
happens to people's lifespans?
Brandon (20:18):
Yeah, well, according to the Old Testament, if you
read books like Ezekiel, youwill see that people die.
But we all acknowledge, ifyou're a student of the Bible,
that we are under a curse onthis earth right now from Adam
and Eve's sin.
Okay, and there's a curse.
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I believe personally that thecurse is not all the way lifted
during the millennium, but it'spulled back a little bit.
So you kind of have longlifespans, kind of like you did
before the flood.
Okay, you start seeing peoplelive longer, and the Bible says
that during the millennial reignof the Messiah.
It says in the Old Testamentthat if somebody dies at a
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hundred years old, it was like achild dying.
Okay, and that's the.
The language is like the lionlays down with the wolf and
things like that.
So things in creation arerolled back and the curse is not
so heavy.
It's not completely removed,there is still death, but it's,
I think, kind of an antediluvian, pre-flood earth more so.
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Does that make sense?
Yeah, so I would imagine thatpeople live longer, probably get
smarter, maybe grow taller, Idon't know.
So I think there's some of that, but that's speculation on that
.
I don't want somebody to takethat for gospel, but I think
there's a biblical case to bemade during that.
But if we look on, there's somepeople that say look, christ is
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reigning right now.
Okay, so the millennium is justfigurative language.
There is no thousand yearperiod.
Jesus, from the time of hisascension, began his reign and
he has been reigning ever since.
And my pushback on that isRevelation says that Satan will
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be chained up during the reignof Christ.
And if you think Satan ischained up right now, I think
you're kind of crazy.
He's alive and well and runningfree.
I do agree.
Matt (22:20):
And that goes back.
There are some we'll call themreligions out there that
actually teach that Right andthey teach that the tribulation
was Jacob's trouble in 1940swhen the Holocaust happened.
Brandon (22:39):
Maybe it was part of it .
Matt (22:40):
That may have been part of it, it may have been a type and
shadow of it, whatever but theyteach that that was the
tribulation period and that thethousand years is occurring
right now.
They also teach that the eldersof that church were the 144,000
.
Brandon (22:57):
Are you talking about?
Yeah, who are you talking about?
Name them, we don't care.
Jehovah's Witnesses, theJehovah's Witnesses, yeah.
Matt (23:06):
And I'm not digging into their theology, exact, but that
was at a point that theydeclared that.
Brandon (23:15):
Well, they used to say and believe that they were the
144,000, until they got morethan 144,000 people that were
following them and they had tokind of modify.
Matt (23:22):
Well, now they use the term elect.
Brandon (23:25):
Ah, they're elect.
Matt (23:26):
There's 144,000 of them that are elect elect.
Brandon (23:32):
There's 144,000 of them that are elect and maybe you're
picking up on my satire and mydisrespect of them a little bit,
but, and that's okay, becausethey do not believe people.
They're great people, but theybelieve that Jesus Christ was
not the son of God, he was notGod.
So guess what If Jesus Christwas not God?
He was a man like you and meand he died for his own sin, not
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yours.
Okay, if you reject the deityof Christ, I reject you.
Okay, paul said if you preachany other gospel and other than
what I preached to you, you areto be anathema or cursed or cut
off.
So I'm not to put up with it.
So Jehovah's Witness doctrineis a bunch of crap.
Okay, because they reject,don't fall for it.
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And same thing with Church ofJesus Christ of the Latter-day
Saints okay, mormon Church, theyreject the deity of Christ.
Jehovah's Witness reject thedeity of Christ.
That's why we don't believethem.
So thank you, matt, for you'rejust stoking the fire tonight.
I am stoking the fire.
I want to look at Luke, chapternumber one.
Luke, chapter number one whenJesus was born, the angel came
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to Mary and notice what she said, because some people say well,
jesus, you know the millennium?
It's all figurative.
Jesus is never going to ruleand reign on earth.
It's all figurative.
Well, watch what the angel saidto Mary and behold, thou shalt
conceive in thy womb and bringforth a son and shalt call his
name Jesus.
He shall be great and shall becalled the son of the highest,
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and the Lord God shall give untohim notice this the throne of
his father, david, and he shallreign over the house of Jacob
forever and of his, his, kingdom.
There shall be no end.
That's what it says.
Okay, why do you think, when youread Matthew, chapter 1, and
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you read Luke, chapter number 3,okay, the genealogy?
Why do you think that Jesus,his genealogy, is given in
Matthew, given in Luke, and whatdoes it trace it back to?
It traces it all the way toDavid, actually, all the way
back to Adam, and all the wayback to, but through David.
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This is what we call if youwere in Bible college, we would
call it the Davidic covenantthat the son, the Messiah, born
to the Virgin, was going to siton the throne of David.
This is what the Jewish peoplebelieve, even to today.
It's what they wanted Jesus todo when he came the first time.
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If you're the Messiah, don'tdie on a cross, set up a kingdom
, because that's what theyunderstood.
He was a political leader toset on a kingdom of his father,
david.
Matt (26:14):
And they honestly have had two versions of Messiah in
their prophecies, one if theywere being good and one if they
were being bad.
Brandon (26:24):
You're trying to get me off track tonight.
Matt (26:27):
You're trying to do that, aren't you?
I am trying to derail, but Imean literally.
Their prophecies say that he'dcome in riding on a donkey if
Israel was not doing what theywere supposed to do.
Brandon (26:37):
Really, I did not know that.
Matt (26:39):
Yeah.
Brandon (26:41):
Well, the Davidic covenant promised that he would
be the Messiah who would sit onthe throne of David.
And I want to look at 2 Samuel,chapter number 7, and I want
you to see this you got 2 Samuel7.10?
Yep.
Matt (27:01):
Moreover, I will appoint a place for my people Israel and
plant them, and they will dwellin the place of their own and
move no more.
Neither shall the children ofwickedness afflict them any more
, as before time, and as sincethe time that I commanded judges
to be over my people Israel andhave caused thee to rest from
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all thine enemies.
Also, the Lord telleth theethat he shall make thee an house
, and when thy days be fulfilledfulfilled thou shalt sleep with
thy fathers.
I will set up thy seed afterthee, which shall proceed out of
thy bowels, and I willestablish his kingdom.
He shall build a house for myname and will establish the
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throne of his kingdom forever.
Brandon (27:45):
Okay and these are words that god gave to dav David
before he died that I'm goingto always keep an heir of yours
on the throne.
So there was a throne of that.
That is why Jesus Christ isspoken of over and over, and
we're giving him to you.
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We talked to the second Samuel.
We looked in Luke the angel toMary.
We looked at Revelation 20.
And we're about to look in thebook of Daniel.
There is prophesied a rule and areign of King Jesus.
Okay, and we know that thathappens.
Revelation tells us when thathappens.
It happens after the secondcoming of Christ.
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Okay, it lasts for 1,000 years.
It's literal.
Satan is taken out of thepicture and the people of God
rule and reign with him, withJesus, during that time.
And so this fulfills theprophecy.
And in fact, there's actually averse and I can't remember off
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the top of my head and I didn'twrite it in my notes, but says
that and get this that Davidwill be ruling with Jesus during
his reign as well, that Davidwill be back on the scene, and
David has been dead for a longtime.
I'll try to find that andrefresh it.
I can't remember that scriptureright off the top of my head,
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but Jesus for sure will be onthe throne.
I want to look at Daniel,chapter number seven, which is
another prophecy that Jesus isgoing to reign, verse number 13,
.
It says and I saw in the nightvisions and behold, one like the
son of man came with the cloudsof heaven and came to the
ancient of days.
That's so.
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Jesus is given a kingdom, shallnot pass away in his kingdom
that which shall not bedestroyed.
Okay, so Jesus is given akingdom, and here I want to be
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clear.
It says it will never pass away.
So we're talking about athousand-year reign of Christ.
But let's be real clear aboutit Once Jesus is crowned king,
he's never not king again.
Is crowned king, he's never notking again.
It is an eternal, foreverkingdom.
But it's broken up by theimprisonment of Satan and the
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release of Satan and things likethat.
So there's some events at theend of the millennium that break
it up at that end of a thousandyears, but the kingdom is
eternal.
It goes on and on.
So he's ruling for a thousandyears on this earth and then
there's a judgment We'll talkabout that and there's release
of Satan, and then there's a newheaven and new earth.
We'll get into that, but so Ijust want you to understand.
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So, after the seven-yeartribulation period that we
talked about last episode, thatis completely biblical.
That is completely biblical.
That ushers in the anointing ofKing Jesus and he sets up his
earthly rule for 1,000 years onthis earth, you and I, as the
church, we rule and reign withhim.
That's promised.
We can earn more authority byliving for him now, but we rule
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and reign with him.
Satan is out of the picture andreleased at the end of the
thousand years for just a littlewhile.
And then there's the judgmentof the great white throne.
But I want you to understand isthere a millennial reign?
Yes, is it literal?
Yes, how long does it last?
It lasts for 1,000 years.
It's very clear in scripturethat King Jesus will reign.
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Okay, you had something youwanted to.
You act like you wanted to saysomething, matt.
Matt (31:38):
Yeah, I mean that's you hit another topic.
It's probably leading us intowhere we're going Go ahead, but
you just said that you can earna better position in the
millennial kingdom, right, yeah,so walk me through that.
How do you do that?
Brandon (31:56):
Well, I want to.
I want to take this conversationand I think that we will get
there.
I want to take it to kind oflook at the big points the
tribulation, the millennium andthen there's two judgments that
I want to focus on.
I don't know if we'll get thatfar tonight, but I want to focus
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on the judgment seat of Christto refer to as a judgment, and
then I want to refer to thegreat white throne judgment, and
I want you to see that one ofthese judgments is for lost
people and one of them is forsaved people, and I want you to
know that the ones who are saved, those of us who are saved, can
earn more trust, more authorityduring the kingdom of God and
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eternity, frankly, moreauthority during the kingdom of
God and eternity, frankly, if wefollow him now rather than live
worldly and fleshly andcarnally.
So I think we'll get into thatjust a little bit more, a little
bit later on, maybe in depth iswhat I'd like to do.
But the short answer is yes,how you live now determines what
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authority and uh um, jobdescription, yeah, that you'll
have in the kingdom and you canlay up for yourselves treasures
in heaven where neither moth norrust doth corrupt.
You can lay up for yourselvesreward.
Matt (33:18):
you can lay up for yourselves inheritance, yeah so
everybody's millennial kingdomexperience or heavenly
experience, or it's not going tobe the exact same well, when we
talk about that um, we're goingto talk about um, we'll talk
about um.
Brandon (33:38):
what is meant and what some people believe, uh in the
parable, uh is uh, outerdarkness.
People say there's outerdarkness.
People say there's outerdarkness.
He was in, you know, outerdarkness, weeping and gnashing
of teeth.
There is a lot.
If you were to translate that,it can be translated the
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darkness farther away from thelight, so we'll get into that.
Farther away from the light, sowe'll get into that.
But basically the idea there'sall throughout the New Testament
that you will be in a betterstanding with the Lord based on
how you live after you get saved.
Matt (34:15):
It's not whether you get saved or not, it's how much
reward you get, and we're goingto talk about that in 1
Corinthians 3.
And is that based during themillennium?
Brandon (34:25):
We'll get into that.
But yeah, it affects eternity,but I think it also would affect
the millennium as well.
But let's take our Bibles andgo to Revelation again.
So we've talked about themillennial reign of Christ and
now I want to talk just for alittle while as we head into the
last little bit of our nighttonight.
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I want to talk about whathappens after that millennium.
So we saw verse number 7 ofRevelation 20.
It says and when the thousandyears are expired, satan shall
be loosed out of his prison andshall go out to deceive the
nations which are in the fourquarters of the earth, gog and
Magog to gather them together tobattle, the number of whom is
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as the sand of the sea.
And they went up on the breadthof the earth and come past the
camp of the saints about in thebeloved city, and fire came down
from God, out of heaven, anddevoured them.
So Satan leads a rebellion atthe end of the thousand years
and at the end of the thousandyears and at the end of that
thousand years.
It's crazy because he deceivesso many as the sand of the sea,
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it says.
So he deceives them and theyrebel against the Lord and
actually go to battle againstthe Lord, and this is not much
of a battle, because the Biblesays that God out of heaven
devours them.
Okay so, and this is Satan isnot much of a battle, because
the Bible says that God out ofheaven devours them.
Okay so, and this is Satan.
And then it says verse 10, andthe devil that deceived them was
cast into the lake of fire andbrimstone, where the beast and
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the false prophet notice thisare Okay, they've already been
there for a thousand years.
At this point, yeah, okay.
Now remember because I don'twant to confuse you the
seven-year tribulation period.
There's three evil figures.
There's the dragon behind thescenes, the devil Okay, there's
the beast.
And there's the false prophet.
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The beast gets his power fromthe dragon, okay, so you really
have an unholy trinity here.
He mirrors God and everything.
And at the end of thetribulation period, the false
prophet and the beast are throwninto the lake of fire.
Okay, forever.
Satan is just chained up for alittle, for a thousand years.
He's released.
He leads a rebellion at the endof the millennium.
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God destroys all the peoplethat rebel with him and he takes
him and throws him into thelake of fire to join the beast
and the false prophet.
So the lake of fire is theeternal home of Satan, where he
will dwell forever.
And the beast and the falseprophet have already been there.
They've already been there fora thousand years at that point.
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So I just want you to see that.
And they shall be tormented dayand night, forever and ever.
Now, after that, because we'retrying to set a chronological
view okay, rapture seven years,you know, followed by the
millennial reign, a thousandyears.
So you got seven years,followed by a thousand years.
At the end of the thousandyears, you got the doom of Satan
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.
You've got him thrown in thelake of fire.
Then and this is what we'regoing to get into and I'm going
to read it, but I want to diveinto it yet, because we're going
to do that in a future episode,maybe the next episode and I
saw a great white throne and himthat sat on it, from whose face
the earth and the heaven fledaway and there was found no
place for them.
And I saw the dead, small andgreat, stand before God and the
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books were opened.
And another book was opened,which is the book of life, and
the dead were judged out ofthose things which were written
in the books according to theirworks, and the sea gave up the
dead which were in it and deathand hell delivered up the dead
which were in them and they werejudged every man, according to
their works, and death and hellwere cast into the lake of fire.
This is the second death and whof fire.
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This is the second death, andwhosoever was not found written
in the book of life was castinto the lake of fire.
So verse 11 through 15 recounta judgment that is going to
happen.
We've already seen satan judged.
We've already seen the beastand the false prophet from the
way back a thousand years ago,the tribulation period, judged.
And now, um, every all the deadare judged.
Okay, so we're going to getinto that when we talk about the
great white throne judgment andthe judgment seat of Christ,
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probably next episode After thejudgments.
So what's going to happen onthis earth?
So we have the seven-yeartribulation, followed by a
thousand years.
After the thousand years,there's these judgments and then
something unbelievable happens.
Okay, revelation 21 tells usthat there is a new heaven and a
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new earth.
Okay, so let's read verse 21,chapter 21, verse one, and I saw
a new heaven and a new earth,for the first heaven and the
first earth were passed away andthere was no more sea.
And I, john, saw the holy city,new Jerusalem, coming down from
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God, out of heaven, prepared asa bride adorned for her husband
.
Okay, so we see that there's anew heaven and a new earth.
So the earth that we are onright now, jesus sets up his
reign on.
It rules for a thousand years.
At the end of that thousandyears, satan is done away with
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forever.
Okay, the judgment of all thedead.
They're cast in the lake offire, those who rejected Christ.
It's over.
There's no more humanity per se, there's only spiritual beings,
those of us who are in thefamily of God.
We enter at this point what Icall eternity.
Okay, and even this earth thathas been stained by sin is going
to be done away with.
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Now let's present anotherargument here, though, because
it says I saw a new heaven and anew earth.
Some people say there's acompletely new earth, and some
people say that this earth isjust melted by fire and redone
and kind of renovated and burnedup all the elements, and then
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God starts over with what's left.
So it's a renovated or arenewed earth.
Have you heard that?
I have, okay, I have heard that.
The scripture, and I don't haveit in my notes, but I'll look it
up real quick, paul, or, I'msorry, peter, talks about this
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in.
Let me see if I can find itreal quick.
It says but the day of the Lord, second Peter three, 10,.
But the day of the Lord willcome as a thief in the night, in
the which the heaven shall passaway with a great noise and the
element shall melt with ferventheat.
The earth, also in the worksthat are there in, shall be
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burned up.
Seeing then that all thesethings shall be dissolved, what
manner of persons ought you tobe in holy conversation?
Okay, so some people say thatin second Peter three he's
describing the burning up ofthis earth, or or kind of
burning it off to be remade.
Can I see that?
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Yes, maybe Peter's talkingabout that.
But if I just go with thescripture, it says there's a new
heaven and a new earth.
So if you press me on it, I'mgoing to say there's a new one.
Okay, now if I renovate myhouse or whatever, it's not a
new house.
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So the word new, you know, am Ihard firm on that?
No, can God certainly reusethis earth and do it again.
He's done it before.
Okay, he's done it before, andwe'll talk about that in future
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episodes.
But I believe that there was acataclysmic event prior.
I believe the seven days ofcreation were the seven days of
recreation.
I'll tease it that way.
I believe that God recreatedand replenished something that
had already been here In Genesis1-1,.
We find this earth in a chaoticstate, tohu vambohu and without
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form and void.
God does not make thingswithout form and void.
The Old Testament says so.
I believe that this earth hasgone through judgments of God
before and been remade andredone as well.
When God began during the sevendays, the seed and the trees
and the grass came out of theearth.
It was already in the earth.
It says so I think there wasstuff already here, but anyway,
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we won't get off track myself onthat, but there's a new heaven
and a new earth at the end ofthe millennium, so, whatever
that looks like.
And then it says that he seesthe holy city, the new Jerusalem
, coming down out of heaven,prepared as a bride adorned for
her husband.
Okay, so you have a new earth.
Okay, and we?
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So we've come out of the reignof King Jesus, the end of the
thousand years, and then we'reintroduced to a new earth to
live on.
Okay, this new earth has theholy city coming down out of
heaven and descending down to it, so you have the city of God
residing on earth.
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It is heaven on earth andyou're living there.
Okay, are you going to addsomething?
Matt (43:43):
Yeah, you can dig into the size of this heavenly city and
it's insane.
It absolutely is.
It's either a pyramid or a cube, because it's as tall as it is
wide and long.
Brandon (43:57):
Absolutely Well.
Let's read the description,revelation 21,.
It says in verse 9, and therecame unto me one of the seven
angels which had the seven vialsfull of the seven last plagues,
and talked with me saying comehither, I will show thee the
bride, the lamb's wife,jerusalem, descending out of
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heaven from God, having theglory of God, and her light was
like unto a stone, most precious, even like an ajasper stone,
clear as crystal and had a wallgreat and high and had 12 gates
and the gates, 12 angels, andthe names written thereon, which
are the 12 tribes, names of the12 tribes of the children of
Israel On the east, three gatesOn the north, three gates On the
south, three gates On the westeast, three gates on the north,
three gates on the south, threegates on the west, three gates,
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and the wall of the city had 12foundations and in them the
names of the 12 apostles of theLamb.
And he that talked with me hada golden reed to measure the
city and the gates thereof andthe wall thereof.
And the city lieth four squarethat's what you were talking
about and the length is as largeas the breadth.
And he measured the city withthe reed 12,000 furlongs, the
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length and the breadth and theheight of it are equal.
Now, I did math one time.
If you take furlongs and allthat kind of stuff, if I'm not
mistaken it's about 1,322 miles.
That is described here.
That is described here and itsays the length and the breadth
and the height of the city, theNew Jerusalem, are all equal.
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So the length and the breadthand the height are 1,322 miles
or roughly 1,300 to 1,400 miles,depending on how you do your
math.
Okay, Think about that.
We understand.
If you said a city is 1, youknow 1,300, 1,400 miles wide,
1,300 to 1,400 miles long, youknow long wide.
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But we don't understand tall aswell.
The height of it is as tall asthe width of it and the length
of it.
Okay, so this is.
I think this is tall as thewidth of it and the length of it
.
Matt (46:08):
It's probably good that it's a new city, a new earth,
because something that big isgoing to block out the sun.
Brandon (46:16):
Let's read on, let's see this, because it is a new
dynamic.
I think that, the height beingas equal as the length and the
breadth and all that, I thinkyou're dealing with a removal of
dimensions that we'reaccustomed to now.
You're living inextra-dimensional territory as
spiritual beings.
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This earth that we live in nowis outdated.
There's a new heaven and a newearth, and it's different.
Matt (46:44):
Yeah, and you think about it, you're flying at 30 000 feet
in an airplane, right?
Okay, that's roughly about sixmiles above the ground right, go
1400 miles.
Brandon (46:55):
Yeah, exactly, it's crazy.
Yeah, I hadn't thought of itlike that.
But yeah, well, and he goes onand he describes this.
Just listen this, because thisis unbelievable.
But, yeah, and he goes on andhe describes this.
Just listen to this, becausethis is unbelievable.
You know, just city, and hemeasured the wall there of 144
cubits, according to the measureof a man, that is, of the angel
, and the building of the wallwas of jasper and the city was
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of pure gold, like in a clearglass.
We sing of the walls, thestreets of gold.
The walls of jasper, right, andthe foundations of the wall of
the city were garnished with allmanner of precious stones.
The first foundation was Jasper, the second Sapphire, the third
Chalcine, the fourth an Emerald, the fifth Sardonyx, the sixth
Sardius, the seventh Crystallite, the eighth Beryl, the ninth a
Topaz, the 10th a Chrysoprasis,the 11th adjacents, the 12th an
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amethyst, and the 12 gates were12 pearls, the pearly gates
right.
Every several gate was of onepearl and the street of the city
was pure gold, as it weretransparent glass.
So it's a golden city right Now.
I've often said this.
I believe that this city andthis new earth is so astounding.
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It's going to be ushered inafter the end of the millennium.
It's so astounding.
See, we?
I've always heard I can't waitto walk on those streets of gold
.
I can't wait to see thosepearly gates.
I can't wait, and I thinkthat's going to be beautiful,
and it describes it as beautiful, but I believe that the
heavenly city is so unbelievable.
Here's what I think.
Okay, we're going to be walkingon gold, all right.
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In other words, what we thinkis so valuable here and now, in
2024, living on this earth ohgold, if you had golden streets,
you'd be rich, right?
Well, I believe that God issaying this city is so far above
any of your expectation or yourimagination.
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What you think is valuable iswhat I pave my roads in.
You're going to be walking ongold.
It's like asphalt to us.
Matt (48:55):
Think about that.
Each gate is one pearl, onepearl.
Brandon (49:00):
One pearl.
Then it says this and I saw notemple therein for the Lord, god
Almighty, and the lamb are thetemple of it.
So here we have, God livingwith his people, his family.
Okay, there is a he'stabernacling with his people.
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Verse 23 says and the city hadno need of the sun, neither of
the moon, to shine in it for theglory of God to delight in it,
and the lamb is the lightthereof, and the nations of them
which are saved shall walk inthe light of it, and the kings
of the earth do bring theirglory and honor into it, and the
gates of it shall not be shutat all by day, for there shall
be no night.
So there's no more night,there's only day.
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And they shall bring the gloryand honor of the nations into it
, and there shall in no wiseenter in anything that defileth
neither whatsoever, workethabomination or maketh a lie, but
they which are written in theLamb's book of life.
So we see now, do we fullyunderstand this?
Absolutely not, not.
But we see just an unbelievableinteraction between heaven and
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earth, this city that God hasbeen preparing.
It refers to it as his bride.
It's this beautiful city goldenstreets, pearly gates, walls of
jasper, streets, of gold, allof these things, and it comes
down to a new earth, and that iswhere we live.
The gates are open, there is nonight.
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The gates are not closed by day, and there is no night.
The lamb is the light.
I mean, this is just a wholedifferent dynamic than what
we're living in now, and it'sjust so amazing.
Matt (50:38):
Yeah, I don't think we can even comprehend it.
Brandon (50:41):
Not in our mind.
Matt (50:42):
Not in our mind now.
Not in our mind with Not in ourmind now, not in our mind with
our mortal sensibilities.
Brandon (50:49):
Absolutely, absolutely.
I think what we're looking atis the events prophetically so.
We have a tribulation periodthat lasts seven years.
We followed by a 1,000-yearliteral reign of Christ that
we've seen tonight.
We'll rule and reign with himPartially.
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The curse will be removed,longer lifespans, things like
that.
You will have people in theirglorified bodies living
alongside people in their humanbodies who have not died yet.
You'll have no Satan until theend of the 1,000 years.
Then you'll have a massiverebellion, you'll have judgment
and you'll have Satan finallydone away with and then you'll
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have this very earth that we'reon done away with and a new
heaven and a new earth beushered in and we'll get to see
that beautiful city descendingdown to earth.
Any parting thoughts tonight,man?
Matt (51:47):
yeah, I think it's gonna be wild.
I think so too.
Just just imagine livingthrough that thousand years, not
dying here on earth, right andruling and reigning with christ
the whole time that's crazy,it's.
And it literally says thatthose that rule and reign with
him never die Right, becausethey're the first resurrection
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Right Peace.
Brandon (52:12):
Right?
No, it's fascinating, and it'sfascinating.
What we want to do is justspark your interest.
We want you to know that thereis biblical evidence of a
millennial reign of Christ.
We also want you to know thatthere's some other things that
are talked about, and we'regoing to go back to the end of
the millennial reign and we'regoing to talk about that great
white throne judgment.
(52:33):
We're also going to go back to,I believe, the beginning of the
tribulation period but not onearth, in heaven and look at a
judgment that happens, calledthe judgment seat of Christ, and
we're not trying to confuse you.
So if you need some clarity oryou got a question, need
something clarified Judgmentseat of Christ or Bema seat
right Right Judgment seat ofChrist, bema seat.
But if you have questions, wedon't want to confuse anybody.
(52:55):
Chime in ask us questions, sayif we've confused you about
timeframe, that's not ourpurpose.
We want to ground you inScripture and we're going to
pick it up right there next time.
Matt (53:05):
And I have answered a few questions in the chats and
comments and stuff Actually acouple of them.
I've just pointed them back tothe podcast because we actually
discussed it in the podcast.
Brandon (53:15):
They just didn't listen the whole way through.
Maybe.
Matt (53:18):
They were watching us short.
I got you.
I got you.
Brandon (53:22):
Well, that's wonderful, and so we'll pick it up right
there next time with thejudgment.
So, great White Throne Judgmentand the Judgment Seat of Christ
, what's the difference?
One is for saved, one is forthe lost, and we're going to
talk about rewards andinheritance and things like that
that affect eternity.
But hopefully you're beginningto get a good understanding of
the chronology, and that's whatwe want you to do.
Stay chronology, and that'swhat we want you to do.
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Stay in your Bible, and we loveyou and we appreciate you
tuning in, and I'm BrandonMatheson.
Matt (53:48):
I'm Matt Hunter.
Brandon (53:53):
All right, you're signing off for the Bible Says
Podcast.
See you later.
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The Bible says the Bible sayspodcast.
All right, welcome back.
This is episode number nine.
We're just rolling right along,aren't we?
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Yeah, we are.
We have been in a veryinteresting, very cool topic
here for the last really threeor four episodes really three or
four episodes.
We've been talking prophecy andspent a couple episodes talking
about the rapture of the church, that event and talking about
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the different viewpoints on itpre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib
and really got to dive in onthat.
And then we took the lastepisode, episode eight, and
talked about what is thetribulation that you guys were
talking about?
So we wanted to define that.
So we were talking about thepre and the post and the mid.
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So we wanted to define thetribulation part and see if it
was biblical.
But we want to just welcome youback to the Bible Says podcast,
episode nine and, of course, asalways, I'm Brandon Matheson and
this is— I'm Matt Hunter, mattHunter and we get to do the
Bible Says Podcast.
It's a podcast where we diginto the Bible, make sure that
our beliefs are firmly foundedon Scripture and that I'm not
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have a lot of ammunition todefend it with Scripture.
That's what we want to do, andso, matt, you got anything to
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Matt (01:55):
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Yeah, they can send us email as well through the
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Yeah, they can send us email aswell.
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You know, people agreeing withus, giving us their opinion,
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Um good, you know it.
There's been a few little nastyones here and there.
You know that's to be expected.
Nobody's you know rapturedoubters complete.
Brandon (03:00):
There's no rapture kind of stuff and right you know,
well, we're not going toconvince everybody and we're not
here to convince younecessarily to change your views
.
We just want you to make surethat you line up with the
Scripture.
And if I make sure that I lineup with Scripture and you make
sure you line up with Scripture,we should all come out in the
wash, right.
So, anyway, we want to jump inhere tonight.
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Last time we were together, as Isaid a minute ago, we were
talking about the tribulationand we answered whether there is
a seven-year tribulation and isthat number?
First of all, is it right torefer to a final set of years as
a tribulation?
If it is, what is the biblicalbasis that it's seven years long
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?
And so we kind of laid that outaccording to Daniel and
according to the book ofRevelation and several verses in
Daniel, where it really breaksthat seven-year period down in
halves and it's pretty clear itdefines it as 1,260 days, 42
months time times half a halves,and it's pretty clear it
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defines it as 1260 days, 42months time times, half a time,
and 70th week, week of years,things like that.
So there's quite a bit ofbiblical footing to rest upon
that.
There is a seven-year period atthe end prior to the second
coming of Christ and it'sdivided into two and a big event
right in the middle,abomination of desolation.
So we did a lot of basis forthat belief system there.
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So we want to move on tonightbecause our goal for last time
and these next couple is to toreally address eschatological
events that are upcoming andgive you kind of a description
of what they are, but alsohopefully be able to put them in
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.
Matt (04:54):
You like that word, don't you?
Brandon (04:55):
What Eschatological?
Yeah, I like saying it.
I can't say it very well,though I can't either.
I can say eschatology, buteschatological gets hard.
Matt (05:06):
Yes, uh, so if I miss, uh, yeah, so it just doesn't roll
off the tongue very easily sowe're looking at all those
events that are going to happenin the future right at some
point.
So what's next on the list?
Brandon (05:18):
next on the event list.
In my opinion, um is, uh, therapture of the church.
I do not think that there isanything on the prophetic
calendar that has to happenfirst, so just spoken like a
good pre-tribber, yeah.
Matt (05:32):
Yeah, what about you?
This is true.
Well, honestly, I believe thesame.
Brandon (05:36):
Okay, well, yeah, I think that's it.
Matt (05:41):
But next on our podcast list, we talked about
tribulation last time, right, sowhat is?
Brandon (05:45):
after about tribulation last time, right?
Matt (05:46):
So what is after the tribulation?
Brandon (05:47):
What comes after the tribulation.
Well, I'm glad you asked, matt.
You set me right up, right, Iwas trying, you were trying and
I wasn't taking the bait.
What do I think?
I think it's pre-trib rapture,matt.
Yeah, I know, I love it.
No, so I'll take your leading alittle bit better next time.
We're all good, I'll watch forit.
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No, that's what we want to talkabout.
Tonight is the next.
So you know, in my view, wehave a rapture that's the next
event, followed by the 70 years,which is the 70th week of
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Daniel, a set of years, sevenyears long, divided into two
halves, called the tribulationperiod, for lack of a better
term.
And so you got rapture, andthen you got a seven-year
tribulation and at the end ofthat you have the second coming
of Christ.
We talked about that in ourrapture talk, our rapture talk.
And then what is ushered intoat that point is what and this
is an argued over, as most ofthis stuff is an argued over
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belief, but there seems to bebiblically what we're going to
present to you tonight is thatthere is a period that lasts for
1,000 years, referred to as themillennium, or the 1,000-year
reign of Christ, or themillennial reign of Christ.
And there is actually a lot ofscripture that talks about this.
In fact, and I don't thinkwe're going to get into it.
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But if you go read Ezekiel,chapter 40 through 48, it is all
description of the millennialkingdom, the millennial temple.
It lays it out, and none ofthose scriptures have been
fulfilled at this point and it'sreferring to the millennium.
Now there are people who say,brandon, you are going to look
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at some scriptures in Revelationand it talks about a
thousand-year period and that'sall figurative and it's all.
It's not literal.
And God, you know God is notsaying it's a thousand years
long, he's saying it's just areally long time.
And he's using the wordthousand there because it's a
big number and he didn't reallymean literally 1,000 years.
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Well, we're going to look herein just a moment.
I'm going to read to youRevelation 20, verse 1 through 7
, and I think he says it five orsix times, Five times, I'm
pretty sure, 1,000 years, and hesays it in seven verses.
So if he didn't mean 1,000years, he sure said it a whole
lot.
And remember our hermeneuticsas far as speaking for myself
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and Matt we take the Bibleliterally and we kind of chew
through it like that.
And if it's not clearmetaphoric language, we take it
literally, unless it presentsitself otherwise.
And if he says a thousand years, I think he meant a thousand
years.
And if he said the ox, you know, the ax head floated and the
walls fell and the dead wereraised.
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I just kind of they call megullible, but I believe he meant
it literally.
Matt (08:53):
Yeah, that's the way you've got to do it.
Yeah, honestly, if you readyour Bible, it will actually
help you interpret it itself.
Brandon (09:03):
I think so.
I think so.
It will actually help youinterpret it itself.
I think so.
I think so.
Well, let's look at thisupcoming period of time, known
as well.
I'm going to call it themillennium.
I don't know that that term isnecessarily used, but it just
means 1,000.
So we're going to refer to itas the millennium, this
1,000-year reign of Christ.
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So, revelation, chapter 20, andfor you, astute Bible readers,
20,.
Revelation, chapter 20 comesafter Revelation 19.
Did you know that it does so?
19 to 20,.
Revelation 19 covers themarriage supper of the Lamb, it
covers the battle of Armageddonand the second coming of Jesus
and he puts down the enemy, andit goes right into Revelation 20
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, which describes what happensafter the second coming.
So that's why you know and Ithink that question came up two
or three episodes ago about isthe book of Revelation written
in chronological order, and Ithink you have to follow it that
way.
It's not all.
There are parentheticalpassages, but I think for the
most part it does build and growand, just like a story would
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unfold and climaxes at thesecond coming and then ushers in
what we're about to read nextRevelation, chapter 20,.
Let's read and I saw an angelcome down from heaven having the
key of the bottomless pit and agreat chain in his hand, Okay,
and he laid hold on the dragon,that old serpent which is the
devil and Satan, and bound him athousand years.
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Okay, so here we see an angeltaking Satan and binding him for
a thousand years.
And I know what some of yousmart alecks are going to say
out there.
You're going to say, yeah, youtake the thousand year part.
You know, literally, do youtake the chain part, literally
as well, that he's going to beon a big old chain and all that
kind of stuff.
Maybe, maybe, I don't know.
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I just don't automaticallyassume that it's not literal.
Could it be figurative in thatlanguage?
Yes, but I think chain is notsaid five or six times, a
thousand years is reiteratedover and over and over.
Matt (11:13):
It depends on who made the chain.
Brandon (11:14):
Yeah, have you heard those?
And I don't know.
They say there's someprophecies about the Euphrates
River drying up.
Have you heard those demonicsounds coming from the bottom of
the Euphrates River and itsounds like chains moving?
Now, is that evidence?
It's not evidence like this,but is it pretty interesting?
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Yeah, is it pretty spooky?
Matt (11:37):
Yeah, so maybe real chains , I don't know, like entire
cities showing up under theEuphrates River kind of stuff.
It's crazy.
Brandon (11:46):
It really is crazy.
Matt (11:47):
Crazy looking stuff.
Brandon (11:49):
Yeah, absolutely so.
Let's read on.
And he laid hold on the dragon,that old serpent which is the
devil and Satan, and shut him upand set a seal upon him that he
should deceive the nations nomore, till the thousand years
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should be fulfilled.
So there's a second time usesthe words thousand years, and
after that he must be loosed alittle season.
So the first three versesdescribe so.
After Jesus's second coming, thetribulation is over.
Jesus has come back.
He takes Satan, the devil,satan, that old serpent, and he
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puts him in the bottomless pitfor a thousand years.
At the end of the thousandyears he's going to be released,
we'll talk about that, but he'sput in there for a thousand
years.
Verse number four says and thisbuilds upon this is what he saw
next.
And I saw thrones and they satupon them.
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And this builds upon this iswhat he saw next his mark upon
their foreheads or in theirhands.
And they lived and reigned withChrist a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead livednot again until the thousand
years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he thathath part in the first
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resurrection and such the seconddeath hath no power, but they
shall be priest of God and ofChrist and shall reign with him
a thousand years.
Okay, so we're not going tobreak down every little snippet
of those verses, but verses four, five and six lay out that
there are thrones and those whohave been saved, trusting in
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Christ, sit on thrones and ruleand reign verse 4, with Christ a
thousand years.
All right, so when we talkabout a millennial event, we are
talking about a 1,000-yearperiod where Jesus, christ
himself is going to sit on thethrone and be King Jesus over
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the whole earth and those whoare his are going to rule and
reign with him.
Is that your understanding?
Matt (14:21):
Pretty much yeah.
Brandon (14:22):
Pretty much.
Matt (14:22):
Okay, so a few arguments, things that I've seen on that.
Okay, um, that it's not allthose who have died before don't
come back, right, okay.
Some people say that it's justthe people who went through the
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tribulation that go into themillennium and were martyred and
go into the millennium.
Brandon (14:50):
Right?
Well, if you study themillennium, it gets pretty crazy
, because there's a lot of NewTestament language.
Paul talks a lot about thisthat we are going to rule and
reign with Christ.
We are going to be rewardedwith rulership, yes, okay.
So those of us who have diedwho are in heaven Now let me say
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this though Come back duringthe second coming.
Matt (15:16):
Well that's the argument.
Yeah, that's my thought on it,okay.
Brandon (15:22):
Well, entering into the millennium, think about this
Okay, there's going to be thoseof us who have died and gone on
to heaven, those of us who areraptured and in heaven, okay, we
never died, we were harpotsered.
If me or you or whoever's right, pre, post, mid, somewhere
along the line either pre-trib,mid-trib or post-trib, you're
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going to be raptured, you'regoing to be raptured, you're
going to be with the Lord andthen he's going to set up his
kingdom and you're going to ruleand reign with him.
Okay.
But then here's the crazy thingthat most people don't think of
there are people who are goingto live through the tribulation.
Okay, there's going to bepeople who are going to live
through the tribulation and gointo the thousand-year reign as
human beings who've never died.
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They've never.
They were not believers, theygot saved during the tribulation
and they're going into themillennium.
Okay.
Matt (16:14):
So you have human beings and you just brought up a point
that breaks a lot of people'shearts and destroys a lot of
people's theology.
What you just said people aresaved during the tribulation
period.
Brandon (16:24):
Oh, that's undoubtable.
I've heard preachers say that.
Matt (16:27):
You can't defend that, but I've heard preachers.
Brandon (16:31):
I'll take it a step further.
I think the greatest revivalthe world will ever see will
happen during the tribulation.
Yeah, okay, the Bible says thatthere were so many.
After the 144,000 are released,there's 12,000 preachers from
each of the tribes of Israel andthey start preaching, and then
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there's so many people savedthat you couldn't count them.
That's what Revelation says inchapter, is it 7, 8, something
like that?
So, yeah, I mean, yeah, Iabsolutely believe that, and I
too have heard preachers saywell, you know, if you reject
Christ here, you'll never getanother chance.
I don't recommend rejectingChrist in this life.
I don't want you to go into thetribulation period because
there's no guarantee of anything.
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But there are plenty of peoplesaved during the tribulation
period, plenty of people.
So, yeah, that's not evendebated.
You just don't know your Bible.
If you say that, you reallydon't, you're ignorant.
But you know, you're like me,You've heard it, I have, I have.
But yeah, you get me fired upon this, on ignorance, clearly
defining, you know, just denyingwhat's right there.
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But so there is an event comingRevelation 21 through 7, where
Jesus is going to reign.
You can argue over who that isreigning with, but there's, you
know, jesus is here, he'sreigning, he's reigning and
people are reigning with him.
Okay, I believe that's thechurch, I believe that's those
of us who have been rewarded forfaithful service.
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But this is, there's a reign ofJesus described, and it says in
verse 7, and when the thousandyears are expired, satan should
be loosed out of his prison.
Okay, now I guess we can goahead and address that.
Why would Jesus chain up Satanand then let him go again at the
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thousand years?
Matt (18:23):
That always bugs me.
I don't like it.
Put him down, chunk him in halfyears that always bugs me.
Well, I don't like it Put himdown chunk him in head, I know,
like a fire.
Brandon (18:31):
I'm going to tell you why.
Okay, because I was.
I got to the second ago.
People live through thetribulation.
Yep, not everybody died, okay,um, so uh, those believers who
accepted Christ during thetribulation.
They go into the millennium as,or the thousand years, as human
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beings.
They procreate and they havebabies, and those babies must
still be saved, must put theirtrust in Christ.
Not all of them will.
Population explodes for athousand years under King Jesus.
Okay, people are having babies,all right, then keep in mind
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they're under Jesus's rule.
There is no Satan out there,deceive the nations once again,
and he will be successful andget the nations to rebel against
Jesus at the end of thethousand years one more time.
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So why does Jesus lock him up,keep him for a thousand years
and then let him loose?
Because there's people on earthwho've never made their
decision yet whether they'regoing to choose Christ or reject
Christ, and they must choose.
And Satan manages, at the endof that, to deceive all of them.
And that's why the Bible saysthat the last enemy that will be
defeated is death, because atthat point there will be no more
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humanity procreating, creatingnew life.
That's my answer.
Yeah, okay, hope that didn'tconfuse you.
Matt (20:13):
And one thing you know in the millennial reign, what
happens to people's lifespans?
Brandon (20:18):
Yeah, well, according to the Old Testament, if you
read books like Ezekiel, youwill see that people die.
But we all acknowledge, ifyou're a student of the Bible,
that we are under a curse onthis earth right now from Adam
and Eve's sin.
Okay, and there's a curse.
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I believe personally that thecurse is not all the way lifted
during the millennium, but it'spulled back a little bit.
So you kind of have longlifespans, kind of like you did
before the flood.
Okay, you start seeing peoplelive longer, and the Bible says
that during the millennial reignof the Messiah.
It says in the Old Testamentthat if somebody dies at a
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hundred years old, it was like achild dying.
Okay, and that's the.
The language is like the lionlays down with the wolf and
things like that.
So things in creation arerolled back and the curse is not
so heavy.
It's not completely removed,there is still death, but it's,
I think, kind of an antediluvian, pre-flood earth more so.
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Does that make sense?
Yeah, so I would imagine thatpeople live longer, probably get
smarter, maybe grow taller, Idon't know.
So I think there's some of that, but that's speculation on that
.
I don't want somebody to takethat for gospel, but I think
there's a biblical case to bemade during that.
But if we look on, there's somepeople that say look, christ is
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reigning right now.
Okay, so the millennium is justfigurative language.
There is no thousand yearperiod.
Jesus, from the time of hisascension, began his reign and
he has been reigning ever since.
And my pushback on that isRevelation says that Satan will
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be chained up during the reignof Christ.
And if you think Satan ischained up right now, I think
you're kind of crazy.
He's alive and well and runningfree.
I do agree.
Matt (22:20):
And that goes back.
There are some we'll call themreligions out there that
actually teach that Right andthey teach that the tribulation
was Jacob's trouble in 1940swhen the Holocaust happened.
Brandon (22:39):
Maybe it was part of it .
Matt (22:40):
That may have been part of it, it may have been a type and
shadow of it, whatever but theyteach that that was the
tribulation period and that thethousand years is occurring
right now.
They also teach that the eldersof that church were the 144,000
.
Brandon (22:57):
Are you talking about?
Yeah, who are you talking about?
Name them, we don't care.
Jehovah's Witnesses, theJehovah's Witnesses, yeah.
Matt (23:06):
And I'm not digging into their theology, exact, but that
was at a point that theydeclared that.
Brandon (23:15):
Well, they used to say and believe that they were the
144,000, until they got morethan 144,000 people that were
following them and they had tokind of modify.
Matt (23:22):
Well, now they use the term elect.
Brandon (23:25):
Ah, they're elect.
Matt (23:26):
There's 144,000 of them that are elect elect.
Brandon (23:32):
There's 144,000 of them that are elect and maybe you're
picking up on my satire and mydisrespect of them a little bit,
but, and that's okay, becausethey do not believe people.
They're great people, but theybelieve that Jesus Christ was
not the son of God, he was notGod.
So guess what If Jesus Christwas not God?
He was a man like you and meand he died for his own sin, not
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yours.
Okay, if you reject the deityof Christ, I reject you.
Okay, paul said if you preachany other gospel and other than
what I preached to you, you areto be anathema or cursed or cut
off.
So I'm not to put up with it.
So Jehovah's Witness doctrineis a bunch of crap.
Okay, because they reject,don't fall for it.
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And same thing with Church ofJesus Christ of the Latter-day
Saints okay, mormon Church, theyreject the deity of Christ.
Jehovah's Witness reject thedeity of Christ.
That's why we don't believethem.
So thank you, matt, for you'rejust stoking the fire tonight.
I am stoking the fire.
I want to look at Luke, chapternumber one.
Luke, chapter number one whenJesus was born, the angel came
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to Mary and notice what she said, because some people say well,
jesus, you know the millennium?
It's all figurative.
Jesus is never going to ruleand reign on earth.
It's all figurative.
Well, watch what the angel saidto Mary and behold, thou shalt
conceive in thy womb and bringforth a son and shalt call his
name Jesus.
He shall be great and shall becalled the son of the highest,
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and the Lord God shall give untohim notice this the throne of
his father, david, and he shallreign over the house of Jacob
forever and of his, his, kingdom.
There shall be no end.
That's what it says.
Okay, why do you think, when youread Matthew, chapter 1, and
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you read Luke, chapter number 3,okay, the genealogy?
Why do you think that Jesus,his genealogy, is given in
Matthew, given in Luke, and whatdoes it trace it back to?
It traces it all the way toDavid, actually, all the way
back to Adam, and all the wayback to, but through David.
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This is what we call if youwere in Bible college, we would
call it the Davidic covenantthat the son, the Messiah, born
to the Virgin, was going to siton the throne of David.
This is what the Jewish peoplebelieve, even to today.
It's what they wanted Jesus todo when he came the first time.
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If you're the Messiah, don'tdie on a cross, set up a kingdom
, because that's what theyunderstood.
He was a political leader toset on a kingdom of his father,
david.
Matt (26:14):
And they honestly have had two versions of Messiah in
their prophecies, one if theywere being good and one if they
were being bad.
Brandon (26:24):
You're trying to get me off track tonight.
Matt (26:27):
You're trying to do that, aren't you?
I am trying to derail, but Imean literally.
Their prophecies say that he'dcome in riding on a donkey if
Israel was not doing what theywere supposed to do.
Brandon (26:37):
Really, I did not know that.
Matt (26:39):
Yeah.
Brandon (26:41):
Well, the Davidic covenant promised that he would
be the Messiah who would sit onthe throne of David.
And I want to look at 2 Samuel,chapter number 7, and I want
you to see this you got 2 Samuel7.10?
Yep.
Matt (27:01):
Moreover, I will appoint a place for my people Israel and
plant them, and they will dwellin the place of their own and
move no more.
Neither shall the children ofwickedness afflict them any more
, as before time, and as sincethe time that I commanded judges
to be over my people Israel andhave caused thee to rest from
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all thine enemies.
Also, the Lord telleth theethat he shall make thee an house
, and when thy days be fulfilledfulfilled thou shalt sleep with
thy fathers.
I will set up thy seed afterthee, which shall proceed out of
thy bowels, and I willestablish his kingdom.
He shall build a house for myname and will establish the
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throne of his kingdom forever.
Brandon (27:45):
Okay and these are words that god gave to dav David
before he died that I'm goingto always keep an heir of yours
on the throne.
So there was a throne of that.
That is why Jesus Christ isspoken of over and over, and
we're giving him to you.
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We talked to the second Samuel.
We looked in Luke the angel toMary.
We looked at Revelation 20.
And we're about to look in thebook of Daniel.
There is prophesied a rule and areign of King Jesus.
Okay, and we know that thathappens.
Revelation tells us when thathappens.
It happens after the secondcoming of Christ.
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Okay, it lasts for 1,000 years.
It's literal.
Satan is taken out of thepicture and the people of God
rule and reign with him, withJesus, during that time.
And so this fulfills theprophecy.
And in fact, there's actually averse and I can't remember off
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the top of my head and I didn'twrite it in my notes, but says
that and get this that Davidwill be ruling with Jesus during
his reign as well, that Davidwill be back on the scene, and
David has been dead for a longtime.
I'll try to find that andrefresh it.
I can't remember that scriptureright off the top of my head,
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but Jesus for sure will be onthe throne.
I want to look at Daniel,chapter number seven, which is
another prophecy that Jesus isgoing to reign, verse number 13,
.
It says and I saw in the nightvisions and behold, one like the
son of man came with the cloudsof heaven and came to the
ancient of days.
That's so.
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Jesus is given a kingdom, shallnot pass away in his kingdom
that which shall not bedestroyed.
Okay, so Jesus is given akingdom, and here I want to be
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clear.
It says it will never pass away.
So we're talking about athousand-year reign of Christ.
But let's be real clear aboutit Once Jesus is crowned king,
he's never not king again.
Is crowned king, he's never notking again.
It is an eternal, foreverkingdom.
But it's broken up by theimprisonment of Satan and the
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release of Satan and things likethat.
So there's some events at theend of the millennium that break
it up at that end of a thousandyears, but the kingdom is
eternal.
It goes on and on.
So he's ruling for a thousandyears on this earth and then
there's a judgment We'll talkabout that and there's release
of Satan, and then there's a newheaven and new earth.
We'll get into that, but so Ijust want you to understand.
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So, after the seven-yeartribulation period that we
talked about last episode, thatis completely biblical.
That is completely biblical.
That ushers in the anointing ofKing Jesus and he sets up his
earthly rule for 1,000 years onthis earth, you and I, as the
church, we rule and reign withhim.
That's promised.
We can earn more authority byliving for him now, but we rule
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and reign with him.
Satan is out of the picture andreleased at the end of the
thousand years for just a littlewhile.
And then there's the judgmentof the great white throne.
But I want you to understand isthere a millennial reign?
Yes, is it literal?
Yes, how long does it last?
It lasts for 1,000 years.
It's very clear in scripturethat King Jesus will reign.
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Okay, you had something youwanted to.
You act like you wanted to saysomething, matt.
Matt (31:38):
Yeah, I mean that's you hit another topic.
It's probably leading us intowhere we're going Go ahead, but
you just said that you can earna better position in the
millennial kingdom, right, yeah,so walk me through that.
How do you do that?
Brandon (31:56):
Well, I want to.
I want to take this conversationand I think that we will get
there.
I want to take it to kind oflook at the big points the
tribulation, the millennium andthen there's two judgments that
I want to focus on.
I don't know if we'll get thatfar tonight, but I want to focus
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on the judgment seat of Christto refer to as a judgment, and
then I want to refer to thegreat white throne judgment, and
I want you to see that one ofthese judgments is for lost
people and one of them is forsaved people, and I want you to
know that the ones who are saved, those of us who are saved, can
earn more trust, more authorityduring the kingdom of God and
(32:42):
eternity, frankly, moreauthority during the kingdom of
God and eternity, frankly, if wefollow him now rather than live
worldly and fleshly andcarnally.
So I think we'll get into thatjust a little bit more, a little
bit later on, maybe in depth iswhat I'd like to do.
But the short answer is yes,how you live now determines what
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authority and uh um, jobdescription, yeah, that you'll
have in the kingdom and you canlay up for yourselves treasures
in heaven where neither moth norrust doth corrupt.
You can lay up for yourselvesreward.
Matt (33:18):
you can lay up for yourselves inheritance, yeah so
everybody's millennial kingdomexperience or heavenly
experience, or it's not going tobe the exact same well, when we
talk about that um, we're goingto talk about um, we'll talk
about um.
Brandon (33:38):
what is meant and what some people believe, uh in the
parable, uh is uh, outerdarkness.
People say there's outerdarkness.
People say there's outerdarkness.
He was in, you know, outerdarkness, weeping and gnashing
of teeth.
There is a lot.
If you were to translate that,it can be translated the
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darkness farther away from thelight, so we'll get into that.
Farther away from the light, sowe'll get into that.
But basically the idea there'sall throughout the New Testament
that you will be in a betterstanding with the Lord based on
how you live after you get saved.
Matt (34:15):
It's not whether you get saved or not, it's how much
reward you get, and we're goingto talk about that in 1
Corinthians 3.
And is that based during themillennium?
Brandon (34:25):
We'll get into that.
But yeah, it affects eternity,but I think it also would affect
the millennium as well.
But let's take our Bibles andgo to Revelation again.
So we've talked about themillennial reign of Christ and
now I want to talk just for alittle while as we head into the
last little bit of our nighttonight.
(34:46):
I want to talk about whathappens after that millennium.
So we saw verse number 7 ofRevelation 20.
It says and when the thousandyears are expired, satan shall
be loosed out of his prison andshall go out to deceive the
nations which are in the fourquarters of the earth, gog and
Magog to gather them together tobattle, the number of whom is
(35:09):
as the sand of the sea.
And they went up on the breadthof the earth and come past the
camp of the saints about in thebeloved city, and fire came down
from God, out of heaven, anddevoured them.
So Satan leads a rebellion atthe end of the thousand years
and at the end of the thousandyears and at the end of that
thousand years.
It's crazy because he deceivesso many as the sand of the sea,
(35:33):
it says.
So he deceives them and theyrebel against the Lord and
actually go to battle againstthe Lord, and this is not much
of a battle, because the Biblesays that God out of heaven
devours them.
Okay so, and this is Satan isnot much of a battle, because
the Bible says that God out ofheaven devours them.
Okay so, and this is Satan.
And then it says verse 10, andthe devil that deceived them was
cast into the lake of fire andbrimstone, where the beast and
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the false prophet notice thisare Okay, they've already been
there for a thousand years.
At this point, yeah, okay.
Now remember because I don'twant to confuse you the
seven-year tribulation period.
There's three evil figures.
There's the dragon behind thescenes, the devil Okay, there's
the beast.
And there's the false prophet.
(36:17):
The beast gets his power fromthe dragon, okay, so you really
have an unholy trinity here.
He mirrors God and everything.
And at the end of thetribulation period, the false
prophet and the beast are throwninto the lake of fire.
Okay, forever.
Satan is just chained up for alittle, for a thousand years.
He's released.
He leads a rebellion at the endof the millennium.
(36:39):
God destroys all the peoplethat rebel with him and he takes
him and throws him into thelake of fire to join the beast
and the false prophet.
So the lake of fire is theeternal home of Satan, where he
will dwell forever.
And the beast and the falseprophet have already been there.
They've already been there fora thousand years at that point.
(37:00):
So I just want you to see that.
And they shall be tormented dayand night, forever and ever.
Now, after that, because we'retrying to set a chronological
view okay, rapture seven years,you know, followed by the
millennial reign, a thousandyears.
So you got seven years,followed by a thousand years.
At the end of the thousandyears, you got the doom of Satan
(37:21):
.
You've got him thrown in thelake of fire.
Then and this is what we'regoing to get into and I'm going
to read it, but I want to diveinto it yet, because we're going
to do that in a future episode,maybe the next episode and I
saw a great white throne and himthat sat on it, from whose face
the earth and the heaven fledaway and there was found no
place for them.
And I saw the dead, small andgreat, stand before God and the
(37:42):
books were opened.
And another book was opened,which is the book of life, and
the dead were judged out ofthose things which were written
in the books according to theirworks, and the sea gave up the
dead which were in it and deathand hell delivered up the dead
which were in them and they werejudged every man, according to
their works, and death and hellwere cast into the lake of fire.
This is the second death and whof fire.
(38:05):
This is the second death, andwhosoever was not found written
in the book of life was castinto the lake of fire.
So verse 11 through 15 recounta judgment that is going to
happen.
We've already seen satan judged.
We've already seen the beastand the false prophet from the
way back a thousand years ago,the tribulation period, judged.
And now, um, every all the deadare judged.
Okay, so we're going to getinto that when we talk about the
great white throne judgment andthe judgment seat of Christ,
(38:27):
probably next episode After thejudgments.
So what's going to happen onthis earth?
So we have the seven-yeartribulation, followed by a
thousand years.
After the thousand years,there's these judgments and then
something unbelievable happens.
Okay, revelation 21 tells usthat there is a new heaven and a
(38:48):
new earth.
Okay, so let's read verse 21,chapter 21, verse one, and I saw
a new heaven and a new earth,for the first heaven and the
first earth were passed away andthere was no more sea.
And I, john, saw the holy city,new Jerusalem, coming down from
(39:09):
God, out of heaven, prepared asa bride adorned for her husband
.
Okay, so we see that there's anew heaven and a new earth.
So the earth that we are onright now, jesus sets up his
reign on.
It rules for a thousand years.
At the end of that thousandyears, satan is done away with
(39:33):
forever.
Okay, the judgment of all thedead.
They're cast in the lake offire, those who rejected Christ.
It's over.
There's no more humanity per se, there's only spiritual beings,
those of us who are in thefamily of God.
We enter at this point what Icall eternity.
Okay, and even this earth thathas been stained by sin is going
to be done away with.
(39:55):
Now let's present anotherargument here, though, because
it says I saw a new heaven and anew earth.
Some people say there's acompletely new earth, and some
people say that this earth isjust melted by fire and redone
and kind of renovated and burnedup all the elements, and then
(40:18):
God starts over with what's left.
So it's a renovated or arenewed earth.
Have you heard that?
I have, okay, I have heard that.
The scripture, and I don't haveit in my notes, but I'll look it
up real quick, paul, or, I'msorry, peter, talks about this
(40:40):
in.
Let me see if I can find itreal quick.
It says but the day of the Lord, second Peter three, 10,.
But the day of the Lord willcome as a thief in the night, in
the which the heaven shall passaway with a great noise and the
element shall melt with ferventheat.
The earth, also in the worksthat are there in, shall be
(41:03):
burned up.
Seeing then that all thesethings shall be dissolved, what
manner of persons ought you tobe in holy conversation?
Okay, so some people say thatin second Peter three he's
describing the burning up ofthis earth, or or kind of
burning it off to be remade.
Can I see that?
(41:24):
Yes, maybe Peter's talkingabout that.
But if I just go with thescripture, it says there's a new
heaven and a new earth.
So if you press me on it, I'mgoing to say there's a new one.
Okay, now if I renovate myhouse or whatever, it's not a
new house.
(41:44):
So the word new, you know, am Ihard firm on that?
No, can God certainly reusethis earth and do it again.
He's done it before.
Okay, he's done it before, andwe'll talk about that in future
(42:06):
episodes.
But I believe that there was acataclysmic event prior.
I believe the seven days ofcreation were the seven days of
recreation.
I'll tease it that way.
I believe that God recreatedand replenished something that
had already been here In Genesis1-1,.
We find this earth in a chaoticstate, tohu vambohu and without
(42:29):
form and void.
God does not make thingswithout form and void.
The Old Testament says so.
I believe that this earth hasgone through judgments of God
before and been remade andredone as well.
When God began during the sevendays, the seed and the trees
and the grass came out of theearth.
It was already in the earth.
It says so I think there wasstuff already here, but anyway,
(42:53):
we won't get off track myself onthat, but there's a new heaven
and a new earth at the end ofthe millennium, so, whatever
that looks like.
And then it says that he seesthe holy city, the new Jerusalem
, coming down out of heaven,prepared as a bride adorned for
her husband.
Okay, so you have a new earth.
Okay, and we?
(43:14):
So we've come out of the reignof King Jesus, the end of the
thousand years, and then we'reintroduced to a new earth to
live on.
Okay, this new earth has theholy city coming down out of
heaven and descending down to it, so you have the city of God
residing on earth.
(43:34):
It is heaven on earth andyou're living there.
Okay, are you going to addsomething?
Matt (43:43):
Yeah, you can dig into the size of this heavenly city and
it's insane.
It absolutely is.
It's either a pyramid or a cube, because it's as tall as it is
wide and long.
Brandon (43:57):
Absolutely Well.
Let's read the description,revelation 21,.
It says in verse 9, and therecame unto me one of the seven
angels which had the seven vialsfull of the seven last plagues,
and talked with me saying comehither, I will show thee the
bride, the lamb's wife,jerusalem, descending out of
(44:24):
heaven from God, having theglory of God, and her light was
like unto a stone, most precious, even like an ajasper stone,
clear as crystal and had a wallgreat and high and had 12 gates
and the gates, 12 angels, andthe names written thereon, which
are the 12 tribes, names of the12 tribes of the children of
Israel On the east, three gatesOn the north, three gates On the
south, three gates On the westeast, three gates on the north,
three gates on the south, threegates on the west, three gates,
(44:45):
and the wall of the city had 12foundations and in them the
names of the 12 apostles of theLamb.
And he that talked with me hada golden reed to measure the
city and the gates thereof andthe wall thereof.
And the city lieth four squarethat's what you were talking
about and the length is as largeas the breadth.
And he measured the city withthe reed 12,000 furlongs, the
(45:07):
length and the breadth and theheight of it are equal.
Now, I did math one time.
If you take furlongs and allthat kind of stuff, if I'm not
mistaken it's about 1,322 miles.
That is described here.
That is described here and itsays the length and the breadth
and the height of the city, theNew Jerusalem, are all equal.
(45:29):
So the length and the breadthand the height are 1,322 miles
or roughly 1,300 to 1,400 miles,depending on how you do your
math.
Okay, Think about that.
We understand.
If you said a city is 1, youknow 1,300, 1,400 miles wide,
1,300 to 1,400 miles long, youknow long wide.
(45:53):
But we don't understand tall aswell.
The height of it is as tall asthe width of it and the length
of it.
Okay, so this is.
I think this is tall as thewidth of it and the length of it
.
Matt (46:08):
It's probably good that it's a new city, a new earth,
because something that big isgoing to block out the sun.
Brandon (46:16):
Let's read on, let's see this, because it is a new
dynamic.
I think that, the height beingas equal as the length and the
breadth and all that, I thinkyou're dealing with a removal of
dimensions that we'reaccustomed to now.
You're living inextra-dimensional territory as
spiritual beings.
(46:36):
This earth that we live in nowis outdated.
There's a new heaven and a newearth, and it's different.
Matt (46:44):
Yeah, and you think about it, you're flying at 30 000 feet
in an airplane, right?
Okay, that's roughly about sixmiles above the ground right, go
1400 miles.
Brandon (46:55):
Yeah, exactly, it's crazy.
Yeah, I hadn't thought of itlike that.
But yeah, well, and he goes onand he describes this.
Just listen this, because thisis unbelievable.
But, yeah, and he goes on andhe describes this.
Just listen to this, becausethis is unbelievable.
You know, just city, and hemeasured the wall there of 144
cubits, according to the measureof a man, that is, of the angel
, and the building of the wallwas of jasper and the city was
(47:18):
of pure gold, like in a clearglass.
We sing of the walls, thestreets of gold.
The walls of jasper, right, andthe foundations of the wall of
the city were garnished with allmanner of precious stones.
The first foundation was Jasper, the second Sapphire, the third
Chalcine, the fourth an Emerald, the fifth Sardonyx, the sixth
Sardius, the seventh Crystallite, the eighth Beryl, the ninth a
Topaz, the 10th a Chrysoprasis,the 11th adjacents, the 12th an
(47:42):
amethyst, and the 12 gates were12 pearls, the pearly gates
right.
Every several gate was of onepearl and the street of the city
was pure gold, as it weretransparent glass.
So it's a golden city right Now.
I've often said this.
I believe that this city andthis new earth is so astounding.
(48:03):
It's going to be ushered inafter the end of the millennium.
It's so astounding.
See, we?
I've always heard I can't waitto walk on those streets of gold
.
I can't wait to see thosepearly gates.
I can't wait, and I thinkthat's going to be beautiful,
and it describes it as beautiful, but I believe that the
heavenly city is so unbelievable.
Here's what I think.
Okay, we're going to be walkingon gold, all right.
(48:26):
In other words, what we thinkis so valuable here and now, in
2024, living on this earth ohgold, if you had golden streets,
you'd be rich, right?
Well, I believe that God issaying this city is so far above
any of your expectation or yourimagination.
(48:46):
What you think is valuable iswhat I pave my roads in.
You're going to be walking ongold.
It's like asphalt to us.
Matt (48:55):
Think about that.
Each gate is one pearl, onepearl.
Brandon (49:00):
One pearl.
Then it says this and I saw notemple therein for the Lord, god
Almighty, and the lamb are thetemple of it.
So here we have, God livingwith his people, his family.
Okay, there is a he'stabernacling with his people.
(49:21):
Verse 23 says and the city hadno need of the sun, neither of
the moon, to shine in it for theglory of God to delight in it,
and the lamb is the lightthereof, and the nations of them
which are saved shall walk inthe light of it, and the kings
of the earth do bring theirglory and honor into it, and the
gates of it shall not be shutat all by day, for there shall
be no night.
So there's no more night,there's only day.
(49:42):
And they shall bring the gloryand honor of the nations into it
, and there shall in no wiseenter in anything that defileth
neither whatsoever, workethabomination or maketh a lie, but
they which are written in theLamb's book of life.
So we see now, do we fullyunderstand this?
Absolutely not, not.
But we see just an unbelievableinteraction between heaven and
(50:05):
earth, this city that God hasbeen preparing.
It refers to it as his bride.
It's this beautiful city goldenstreets, pearly gates, walls of
jasper, streets, of gold, allof these things, and it comes
down to a new earth, and that iswhere we live.
The gates are open, there is nonight.
(50:25):
The gates are not closed by day, and there is no night.
The lamb is the light.
I mean, this is just a wholedifferent dynamic than what
we're living in now, and it'sjust so amazing.
Matt (50:38):
Yeah, I don't think we can even comprehend it.
Brandon (50:41):
Not in our mind.
Matt (50:42):
Not in our mind now.
Not in our mind with Not in ourmind now, not in our mind with
our mortal sensibilities.
Brandon (50:49):
Absolutely, absolutely.
I think what we're looking atis the events prophetically so.
We have a tribulation periodthat lasts seven years.
We followed by a 1,000-yearliteral reign of Christ that
we've seen tonight.
We'll rule and reign with himPartially.
(51:10):
The curse will be removed,longer lifespans, things like
that.
You will have people in theirglorified bodies living
alongside people in their humanbodies who have not died yet.
You'll have no Satan until theend of the 1,000 years.
Then you'll have a massiverebellion, you'll have judgment
and you'll have Satan finallydone away with and then you'll
(51:33):
have this very earth that we'reon done away with and a new
heaven and a new earth beushered in and we'll get to see
that beautiful city descendingdown to earth.
Any parting thoughts tonight,man?
Matt (51:47):
yeah, I think it's gonna be wild.
I think so too.
Just just imagine livingthrough that thousand years, not
dying here on earth, right andruling and reigning with christ
the whole time that's crazy,it's.
And it literally says thatthose that rule and reign with
him never die Right, becausethey're the first resurrection
(52:11):
Right Peace.
Brandon (52:12):
Right?
No, it's fascinating, and it'sfascinating.
What we want to do is justspark your interest.
We want you to know that thereis biblical evidence of a
millennial reign of Christ.
We also want you to know thatthere's some other things that
are talked about, and we'regoing to go back to the end of
the millennial reign and we'regoing to talk about that great
white throne judgment.
(52:33):
We're also going to go back to,I believe, the beginning of the
tribulation period but not onearth, in heaven and look at a
judgment that happens, calledthe judgment seat of Christ, and
we're not trying to confuse you.
So if you need some clarity oryou got a question, need
something clarified Judgmentseat of Christ or Bema seat
right Right Judgment seat ofChrist, bema seat.
But if you have questions, wedon't want to confuse anybody.
(52:55):
Chime in ask us questions, sayif we've confused you about
timeframe, that's not ourpurpose.
We want to ground you inScripture and we're going to
pick it up right there next time.
Matt (53:05):
And I have answered a few questions in the chats and
comments and stuff Actually acouple of them.
I've just pointed them back tothe podcast because we actually
discussed it in the podcast.
Brandon (53:15):
They just didn't listen the whole way through.
Maybe.
Matt (53:18):
They were watching us short.
I got you.
I got you.
Brandon (53:22):
Well, that's wonderful, and so we'll pick it up right
there next time with thejudgment.
So, great White Throne Judgmentand the Judgment Seat of Christ
, what's the difference?
One is for saved, one is forthe lost, and we're going to
talk about rewards andinheritance and things like that
that affect eternity.
But hopefully you're beginningto get a good understanding of
the chronology, and that's whatwe want you to do.
Stay chronology, and that'swhat we want you to do.
(53:43):
Stay in your Bible, and we loveyou and we appreciate you
tuning in, and I'm BrandonMatheson.
Matt (53:48):
I'm Matt Hunter.
Brandon (53:53):
All right, you're signing off for the Bible Says
Podcast.
See you later.
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