#54. False Apocalypse, Seals of Revelation, The Four Horsemen, Nephilim Agenda, Transhumanism/DNA w/ Ed Mabrie| Faith By Reason

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Biblical hit Man.
It's me Steven. We got a full crew here tonight,
Jesse in the house Taylor joining us is Ed mavery folks,
and you know, he's an author, he's a researcher, and
he's a biblical junkie and I can't really wait to
get into all of the things with him. But folks,
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welcome to the show man.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Oh, thank you guys for having me. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah, yeah, I love your stuff. Man. You do a
lot of content with NDS. We love those guys. We've
done work with them as well. We did move in
to Brohemian Grove. That was fun and so I missed that.
Uh yeah, you missed a lot of stuff. It was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
I was told.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
You didn't miss anything.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah, stay away.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
It was so funny because like that how the trailer
was like that trailer that they dropped for it. It's
kind of like how the event went. It's like guy
selling you d M T in the parking lot. Well, yeah,
maybe there was a couple of those guys there, but uh,
with all that behind this, man, for the folks that
aren't familiar with you, just tell us a little bit
about yourself and where they can find your content.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Sure, so two main places to find my content. One
is my main website, my legacy website, which is Faith
by Reason dot net not dot com dot net. And
and there you find like all the work that I've
been doing for over a decade, so like tons of
stuff there. My Revelation series sixty episodes, it's there. I'm

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working my Genesis series now, so those episodes are there.
And then just like just tons of stuff that I've
been doing since I started this. But where I'm getting,
where I'm doing most of my work and getting and
getting most of my interactions with other people is through
my Patreon, which is patreon dot com slash faith by Reason.
If you go there, you get all the new content.
It drops there first. Again, as I said, I interact

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with with all my followers there. I do a Q
and a at least I try to do it weekly.
When I get questions, I will just make a video
based on the questions. So because I love getting challenging
questions because if if I can answer the questions, then
I help the the person who's asking it. If I
don't know the answer, then I get to learn something new.
So I love doing that. Also, bonus episodes there that
you aren't going to find anyplace else because I don't

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want to get completely kicked off YouTube because I'm close.
I've got a couple strikes against me there and so
that's not there at the tier one level. If you
go up to the Tier two level, you can be
part of my monthly Bible study where we go through
the entire Bible in one in one year, once a
month from the supernatural point of view, so we look
behind the veil at what's going on, but within the

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elohem ral between you know, Jehovah and the different angels
both you know, Holly and Fallen. Because again, if you
don't understand that, you're missing eighty percent of the Bible.
I think one of the reasons that people have such
difficulty understanding certain parts of the Bible is that they
are looking at it from our physical mortal point of view,
not looking at okay, what are the supernatural reasons behind this?

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And so we look at it from that point of view,
and it's just it's been an amazing time. And I'm
also on the free feeds and on YouTube rumble. I
post stuff on x and Instagram, which is usually you know,
shorter videos that lead back to the main bit videos.
So that's where you can find me. As far as
my story, briefly, I was raised in the church. My

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grandma was raised by my grandparents until I was a teenager.
My grandmother was the matriarch of our church, literally helped
build it. So I was there in church all the time,
and I was blessed or cursed. Possibly with a very
inquisitive mindset. I was always asking questions. And you know,
and my pet peeve is when things don't make sense
to me, that's just that irritates me. It's like that

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that that line in the Matrix where Morphia says to Neo,
and it's like that there's something in your mind, it's
like splinter in your mind driving you mad. That's me.
If something doesn't make sense, it just keeps bugging me
until I can figure it out. So I was always
asking questions, you know, why did God flood the world
and kill everybody? That seems a little extreme. You know,
why did Jesus have to be born of a virgin?

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Why did all these different things happen? And eventually the
pastors kind of got tired of me and said, you know,
it's you shouldn't question God. I'm like, oh, okay, I
guess I'll stop doing that because I don't want to
make God mad. So I went through my youth and
adolescence not questioning my faith, just accepting, because you know,
I didn't want to make God mad. Then I get
into college, which you know, my university was pretty liberal,

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which is basically most universities these days, and my professors
and my classmates took great delight in deconstructing my faith,
telling me where I was wrong. I remember vividly that
I took an anthropology class. We had a final papers,
you know, as fort to get our final grade, and
I I did and I did my paper. I thought

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I did a really good job. I had to have
five scholarly sources, and one of my sources was the Bible.
Got to be on the paper, and I want to
my professor and said, hey, I thought I did an
a job. Why did I get a beat? And she said, well,
because you didn't use the Bible as a resource. I'm like, well,
what's wrong with that? She literally laughed in my face
and said, well, the Bible's unreliable, it is historically inaccurate.

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It was made up by a bunch of Israelite Bedouins
who stole it from the Canaanites and Mesopotamians, and they
just stole their gods and renamed them. And yeah, I
had no apologetics background, so I got wrecked. And through
my four years, they again did a great job of
deconstructing my faith and asking me questions my classmates like
God is loving? Why is the world the way it is?

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And I didn't have answers for them. So I went
on a journey because I still believed in the Bible.
I still believe that I still believe that God was
who he said he was. But I started to question
what I was taught about the Bible. I couldn't go
down the other world of evolution because that's just freaking ridiculous.
I mean, the idea that where they that once upon
a time there was nothing and then nothing exploded, and

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then the hundred trillion beneficial accidents happened in a row
that I don't have that much faith. So I still
believe in God, but I questioned what I was taught.
And just to wrap up the story, it was a
long circular journey and God brought me to people and
to situations that helped me. I ran into my who
who became my long distance mentor Chuck Missler, who was

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I don't know if you are familiar with him, but
he's an incredible.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Scientistic that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
He's he's information scientists, brilliant man. And he told me,
taught me that there was no divorce between being scholarly
and being scientific and the Bible and being someone who
does have a scientific mindset. I've always been a systems
thinker and an analyst, and that he just opened up
the new world the worlds to me. So God brought

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me to those kinds of people and Michael Heiser and
people like that who also mentored me from a distance,
and I so it taught me. It brobably to two
huge points. Point number one is that God can be known.
Not only can God be known, but he wants to
be known. He desires to be known, which makes sense.
I mean, why would you create intelligent life for any

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reason other than to interact with it to be known?
And so that was that was That was a number one.
And the second one was that God has a plan
for all of us and he can make sense that
our faith does make sense. And so after going through
that journey, I figured I was not the only Christian
on that journey, even though it's not really popularized. So

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I decided to start Faith by Reason to help Christians
who were in the same situation as me. You have
a scientific background and a analytical mindset understand why the
Bible makes sense, and I use logic, reason and systematic analysis.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Well that's the thing too, man, is just even through
the course of history, I think forever, there's always been
this battle between the realm of science and religion, but
really they do go hand in hand. And there's a
book that I'm getting into and it's it's called God's
Eye View, and it opens up with that concept of spirituality,
religion versus science, and it's always been at a conflict

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for years, you know, But going into it and seeing
how the the Roman Catholic Church and the Vaticans and
the Jesuits how they kind of you know, merge those
two things together per se, right, And there's some questions
right with all that, but it's all fascinating, it really
is all of it. Man.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
And Well, if you look at the definition of science,
because we have it, how we define science today, I
don't think is the correct definition of science is a
tool for understanding reality. That's what science. Science is not
a worldview. It's not a priesthood. It's just a tool
you use science. You use empiricism. That's a tool that
you use for science. You know, if something is empirically
scientifically correct, it's because you can either observe it in

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nature or recreate it in a controlled setting. That's what
science is. But right now we say that science is
whatever scientists say it is. That's the incorrect definition because
that makes it subjective. Science is objective.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
There's no war between faith and science because you can't
have a war with the tool. It's just a way
to figure out reality.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
That's absolutely Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
I can't hear you, Steve, and I don't know if
this just me ye love it?

Speaker 1 (09:28):
I love this happens. By the way, once or twice
an episode. Been doing this for a while now, you'd
think I had a grip on myself. But you know,
with science and technology advancing today, and it seems to
be a snowball effect, especially with just one hundred and
fifty years ago technology then compared to where we're at,

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you know now, and let's just say, and I think
it's it's it's all compounding. So maybe in the next
twenty years we could make another advancement like we did
in the past one hundred and fifty. But it seems
like we're getting to a time where the end times
might kind of be around the corner, right, It's not
too hard to kind of come to some conclusions that, Yeah, man,

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it seems like there's a foundation being set for some
sort of new world order system with technology AI. Let's
just say that there's a conscious aspect that would be
governing behind everything. And it's awesome because you get you
have a book and it's called The False Apocalypse, Satan's

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Big con before the Tribulation, and I really wanted you
to kind of unfold that for us a little bit,
take us down that road with this book and the
contents of it, because I flipped you know, I flipped
over to the back of it, where it's kind of
the first thing you do with books, and you you
kind of get just a little atmosphere, a smell of

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what the book maybe about. So it's fascinating because there's
a lot of correlation with you know, Matthew twenty four
Seals of Revelation and the fact that who really is
in control of these things happening. So if you wouldn't
mind just just take us on, brother.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Sure, because eschatology, which is is my bailey, because it's
where I spend most of my time, because because it's
so mysterious and so it's always fascinated me that and
also because it's just so rarely taught in a lot
of churches. So I always want to go to the mystery,
not to know Jesus with the with the lobes and
the fishes. That's awesome, But I wouldn't what's I want
to talk about the back of the book where you
guys are scared to go, And so I've done a

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ton of study on that. Again, being a mentee of
Chuck Mystery, you can't help but getting into revelation because
he loved that as well. So The reason I call
it the false Apocalypse is because I believe that starting
with the Revelation chapter six, which which is the unfolding
of six, the first six of the seven Seals, it's
generally considered by orthodox eschatologists to be the beginning of

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the tribulation, that this final seven year period that's outlined
or first presented in the Book of Daniel chapter nine,
with the seventy weeks prophecy, so seventy weeks of years
or four hundred and ninety years, four hundred and eighty
three of them passed. You know, Jesus presented himself at
the end of four hundred and eighty after a four
hundred and eighty third year, when he presented himself as
mashiak Naigi, the Messiah, the Prince. Then there's a gap

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there that's clear in the Book of Daniel, that some
things happen, and then the final seven years, that final
week begins with a covenant that the entity we call
the Antichrist, or more accurately, the Beast, the son of pradition,
he has thirteen different titles in the New Testament. He
confirms a covenant with the Mini, which is an idiom
for Israel for seven years, and that begins that period

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of time. So the orthodox view is that the first
three chapter for the first five chapters actually of Revelation
precede this this period of time. That the first three
chapters deal with the Church of seven letters to seven Churches,
which I go for ad nauseum in my Revelation series.
Then the shifts from earth to heaven where you have

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Revelation four and five, where you are the throne room
of God. You see John describes it as best he can.
I'm pretty sure he was overwhelmed. And you see all
the Cherubim and the twenty four elders and so forth
and so on. And then there's a scroll that's in
the hands of he who says on the throne, which
is God, Jehovah Yahweh. And no one's able to open

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this scroll, and it's written on front and on back,
and he says, no one on earth, is under the earth,
or in the heavens are able to open the scroll.
And John weeps convulsively, says he wept much. He weeps
convulsively because no one's able to open it. Like, well,
what does that mean? Well, because this document that's written
on the front and the back that indicates it. It's
a title deed and or a will. And this is

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the title deed to the earth. This is the inheritance
that was promised to the son of Man riding on
the clouds in Daniel chapter seven. And whoever can open
this scroll possesses the earth. Because the earth is kind
of in limbo, as it were. People have this idea
that when Adam sinned, because Adam had legal ownership Adam

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and Eve that legal ownership of the earth, God gave
it to them. And the idea that you that you
even hear from some pastors is that when the original
sin happened, that that authority, that legal authority was given
to Satan. Then the kash, the serpent in the garden
of eaten, Well, that's not true. That devil was never
given to him. It was it was taken away from
Adam directly, but it was just no one had legal

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claim to the earth until Jesus. So the idea that
no one was able to open this scroll means that
no one can claim the earth. That that you know,
the earth is just going to be in the situation
that it's it's that it had been in up until
that time. But it then, but then one of the
twenty four Elders has the job. Stop crying. There is someone,
the Lamb, who was slain from the foundation of the world,

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is able to open this, open the scroll and break
the seals and basically take possession of the earth, which
is what they had been waiting for. This is what
the Israelites had been taught from from the beginning, that
your Messiah, your Machiak, will take possession of the earth
and set up its kingdom, which is when we get
to the millennial rate. So in any case, the first

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the breaking of these first six seals. The Orthodox view
is that this is the beginning of this last seven years,
or an overview of it. So just take you I'm
going to take you briefly through the Orthodox view, and
then I'll give you the reasons for my view and I'll.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Let you anytime that question real quick. So you know
that there's this concept the restrainer, right like that, there's
the concept of the restrainer. Does this play a role
into you know, this what we're seeing in heaven with
the seals and the Lamb and him being the only
one to be able to allow this to happen.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
That's a good point. Yes, so the idea of the
restrainer comes from Second Thesalonians. When so the purpose just
take a step backs. I like to tie everything to
doctrine in context, because as I've been saying recently in
a lot of podcasts I've been on, is that there's
a difference between reading the Bible and studying the Bible.
A lot of people read the Bible, but reading gives

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you the what, but you also need the why and
the how. The why is context, who's speaking, who's being
spoken to, what's the language, what's the culture, what's the situation,
How does it apply to you, if at all? And
then that's the why, And then the how is doctrine.
Doctrine is a big picture. That is, what is God's
overall will and how does this tie into his will?

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Because his will does not change. The Bible is a
book written by a where forty authors over a few
thousand years, but it's God's word, It's from the Holy Spirit.
It was pinned by men, but it's authored bout the
Holy Spirit. So God's not going to contradict himself his
will from the beginning, it's just saying will at the end,
So you need to tie it to doctrine like salvation,
like redemption, like God's where God is right now, God

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is currently resting. Their rest began in Genesis chapter two. Now,
restling doesn't mean he was tired. It means that that
word in the original Hebrew, which is where we get
to context the language, means that he ceased his activity.
He seeks his act. He sees his activity of being
the first cause initiating his will. God no longer initiates

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his will. From the Genesis chapter three to the end
of the book, God does not initiate his will. All
he does is respond to what we do and to
what the Baldwin angels do. And that explains why God
doesn't intervene the way people want him to. He can
only respond through justice. He gave that ability to be

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the first cause to humanity. So we do something, God
can react to it based on justice. So that that's
doctrine as an example. So when we look at the
book of Thesalonian's Second Thesalonians, it was written because in
Paul is very clear here. Apparently some people had forged
a letter in his name to the Thessalonians telling them

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that the Day of the Lord, which isn't one of
the titles of the of what we call the tribulation
had begun and they were freaking out because they expected
to not be here. They expect you to be in
the rapture. They expect to be raptured. Now we can
get into the rapture if you want. That's a whole
other I think the rapture at the little season of
the two biggest Controversi's in the rapture is even a
bigger controversy, especially when it happens. But I mean, I

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talk a ton about that on in my in my stuff.
But Paul says that, look, the Day of the Lord,
the tribulation is not going to happen unless there's a
falling away first, and then the man of sin, the Antichrist,
is revealed. He said, but you know that there's something
that's restraining it. You know who this restrainer is, and
he will has to be taken out of the way.

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Then the Antichrist will be revealed, and then he will
start the he will confirm the covenants. So basically, this
restrainer is keeping the Antichrist from manifesting and doing this.
So Paul is saying that as long as this restrainer
is restraining, until he's taken out of the way, the
Antichrist can't come back. So Paul was saying, the restrainers
still here, What is a restrainer? Well, again, it's not

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denotative here. But but Paul told them that they know,
so that means there should be some hints somewhere about this.
What The only thing that can restrain sin is the
Holy Spirit. Some people say the restrainer is Michael the
archangel or some other angel. Well, no, Michael is quite
possibly the most powerful archangel. But when he was contending
with with Moses over the body of Moses, which is

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a whole other thing in the Book of Jude, he
had to he had to ask God for help. He
had to say, the Lord rebuke you. So, even by himself,
Michael couldn't handle Satan's lucid. For the the he was
the annointed charup He even though he's fallen, he's still powerful.
Being Michael couldn't handle him on his own. He had
to he had to say, the Lord rebuke you. So

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the only one who can who can restrain Satan and
Sin and he and and you know, the anti Christ,
the beast will be the spawn of Satan is the
Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit in dwelves the church. So
by inference you could say that the Church, and as
it isn't dwelt by the Holy Spirit, has to be
taken out of the way before the Antichrist can be revealed,
before the tribulation it can begin. How does that relate

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to what you were just asking, Well, again, this is
an area where you're taking some pieces from here and there,
and this really frustrates a lot of people. I get
these questions all the time where someone will say, well,
just show me one single verse in the Bible that
says X. Say, well, I can't, because the Bible is

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not a textbook. You can't just go to the chapter
on X and have a complete denotative rundown of it.
The Bible is an integrated message, meaning to give you
a complete answer, I'm going to have to give you
several verses, and we're also going to have to look
at tradition and culture and all those things to give
you that answer. The Bible is not a simple book,
so I can't give you a simple answer like you
give me the verse that completely explains why Jesus's blood

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saves us. You can't because there isn't one verse. You
need to go throughout the Bible, look at what blood means,
the first shedding of blood, looking at look at the
spiritual aspects of it, look at what Leviticus says about blood.
You have to go through all that to get a
full understanding of what blood does and why innocent blood
is so important. And that's a whole other thing. I
can't give you one first because one verse doesn't exist. Yet.
We all believe that we're redeemed by the blood of Jesus.

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So if you can believe that without a single verse
giving you a comprehensive explanation, then why can't you believe
other things where you have to go throughout the Bible.
So the the we are sealed by the Holy Spirit.
So this could be a symbol breaking those seals of
the church being the believing church being taken taken out
of the way, and this causing a release of these

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these four horsemen, and the other of any other seals
which which we'll get into more.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Gotcha, gotcha. I think Taylor's having some camera issues, but
that's okay. Uh. These weird things always kind of happen
when we start getting into topics like this. I love it,
but uh so okay, so the tribulation, right, okay, yeah,
so bring us back there.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Right. So the orthodox view is that the breaking of
these seals are the beginning of the tribulation. So what
happened when the seals are broken? Well, the first the
seal what is broken in most Mani Bibles, especially King
James or a King James derivative. Jesus breaks the first
seal and one of the cherub beans says come or
come and see. In most people think he's talking to John,

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say hey, John, come here and see. And first a
rider on a white horse comes out, he goes for
he's given a bow. He goes forth conquering, and the
conquer this is considered to be the Antichrist. There's pretty much,
you know, widespread agreement that this entity is. So the
Antichrist begins his campaign, which is why people believe that
this is the beginning of the tribulation. Then he breaks
a second seal, come and see. And then there's a

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red horse that goes out and he takes peace from
the earth. And most people can call this horseman war
and so there's some mini commentators will say, well, this
is World War three, it's going to be this huge
breakout of war, and it says men kill one another,
and yeah, piece is taken from the earth, and men
kill one another. The third seal is broken. Come and see.
Then you have a black horse, right on a black horse,

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and a voice from the midst of the cherbists as
a measure of wheat for a generis which is a
day's wage, or three measures of barley for a day's wage,
but don't hurt the oil with a wine. But they
see this as famine because a generis was again it
was an entire day's wage, and for you can only
get like a measure of meal, which is like enough bread,

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maybe like the size of your fist. That's one meal,
an entire day's wage for one quality meal, or three
measures of barley, which was considered lower quality. It was
usually animal feed. So in order to have three solid
meals a day, it's going to take your entire day's wage.
So this is considered to be famine, maybe as a
result of war. Because of warsley to famine many times.

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And then you have the fourth CEO. You have the
fourth horseman who is called Death and hell follows with him,
and he has has given power to kill a fourth
of the population of the world through it says, through wars,
through famine, through pestilence diseases, and through the beasts of
the earth. Well you understand what war is, and famine
and pestilence diseases with the beasts of the earth. Well,

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you don't get a whole lot of commentary on that,
because people say, well, it must be wild animals apparently,
you know, hamsters and giraffes and goats go crazy and
start biting the crap out of people. Okay, But again,
no one spends a lot of time on that because
it just seems weird that you know, your dog and
your cat and buffalo are gonna just rise up and start,
you know, slapping the crap out of people. Okay. Then
with the Fifth Seal you get the cry of the martyrs.

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You see that people are underneath the altar who've been
killed for their witness of Jesus from the beginning, all
the way from Abel who is righteous and you know,
believing the promise of Jesus all the way to yesterday
under the altar, and they say how long, oh Lord,
Righteous and True, until you avenge us. And they're given
white robes and told to wait a little while. Okay,
it seems kind of odd to be there, but that's

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actually one of the keys to my premise, so we'll
put a pin in that. And then lastly, in chapter six,
you get the sixth Seal is opened and there's a
great earthquake that causes every mountain and island to be
moved out of its place. So we're, ok, I live
in California, we were an earthquake central, so this would happen.
This would be the big one. As they say that

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it causes bit's worldwide. It says every island, and this
is really important because the tribulation affects the entire world.
It's not localized. So this is gonna be a worldwide
earthquake that moves every island and every mountain out of
its place. The sky roll up like a scroll, and
it says the stars of Heaven are flung down to Earth.
So the traditional view is that that these stars of

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Heaven are flowing down the Earth must be like meteors.
It's like a you know, meteor crashing to the earth.
The sky's rolling up. It's just, you know, some signs
in the heavens, which you know we're promised about the Bible,
and the great earthquake causes. It says, after this great earthquake,
all all human beings, you know, with the chief people
and the cap and the captains and the rich folks
and slaves and everyone else, go into the mountain and

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sell to the mountains, fall on us and hide us
from he who sits on the throne and from the
wrath of the Lamb. And so many commentators call this
the wrath of the Lamb. Earthquakes. So this, so these
are seen basically as the beginning of the wrath of God,
all all these these seals being opened. That's a traditional view.
My view is a little different. My view is that

(26:30):
and we'll get into why. But my view is that
these these seals, specifically the four Horsemen, are not from God.
They're actually a deception from Satan. And I'll tell you why,
but I'll let you guys give me your commentary.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, that's that's interesting, man, because when you say something
like that, I'm I'm a really big movie guy, right,
so as for some reason, I have like photographic memory
with movie scenes and all this stuff. So people say
certain things. I'm like, yep, I saw that, and this
is it's in this movie. But in the movie Resident Evil,

(27:07):
there's a scene where basically there's this meeting that's being
held at the Umbrella Corporation and it's pretty much all
the mighty men, the elites and kind of like the
people you reference to that are hiding themselves right from
the wrath of God. And so basically the main guy, right,
he's like the number one, right, he kind of gives
this charismatic, handsome anti Christ man of sin figure, and

(27:32):
so he's explaining to everyone that this is the world
is in turmoil, the world is distraught, it's got climate change,
it's got floods, it's got earthquakes, volcanoes, the earth is
coming to an end. And he pushes a Bible forward
and he has his hand on it, and he goes,
but we're going to end it on our terms, and

(27:54):
and he's like, you know, people have used this book
in the past before, and we're going to use it
today or something like that. And I'm like, Okay, maybe
they do have a plan. Maybe they are using the
biblical infrastructure of revelation somewhere or some sort and maybe
there promised something that satan Is has seduced and deceived

(28:19):
them with, you know, so I don't know, but carry
on because that that was an interesting Uh, Jesse, your mic,
something's wrong with your mic and we've uh it's really loud.
I don't know if it's your camera or something or
or what. Can Yeah, I can hear it really loud.
I can hear you. I can hear your pulse.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
I love it right now, you can right now.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
No, you're good. It's your mic is working good?

Speaker 4 (28:47):
It was just like you can hear my pulse breathing
in my in my brain. But anyway, it is it
really that loud?

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Is it better?

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Now? You're good? You're good?

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (29:01):
I had a question for for Ed real quick as well,
you know, in the in the green room right before
we started the podcast, I was bringing up you know,
Matthew twenty four or four through eight, and and it's
like my question for you is like do you are
we in the beginning of the sorrows? Like are we
in the time right before the end? Like is that

(29:21):
where we're at right now? Because it seems like that,
I mean, look around you you know, look around us
right now, like we have a lot of conflict going on.
We have a lot of volcanoes erupting.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Like I'm glad you brought that up because that's that's
where that's where I'm going next. So that thank you
for the segue. Because so let me tell you the
genesis of why I have an alternative view, because I
was raised with this same idea. This is what you know,
my mentors were telling me. Missler was all, you know,
basically believe this.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Heiser.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
He was Heiser didn't really like eschatology, was more of
an Old Testament scholar, so he really you could feel
like the physical pain in his face when someone asked
him about revelation. He didn't like talking about it. But
that said, you know, all the major problem to see,
folks kind of take this view that this is either
the beginning or some people say it's an overview, like,
you know, all these things are a big picture of

(30:08):
everything that will be happening. The Antichrist will be ruling
during all seven years. They'll be wars all seven years.
They'll be famines and things like that, and wars and pestileences,
and this is just giving an overview and now and
then after then in chapter seven on, it's give you
more specifics. Okay, so here was my thought. The genesis
of my thought was, you know, this is one of
those things I know when I'm getting something from God,

(30:28):
when I know it is a thought that I didn't originate,
where I'm thinking about something completely different, and then a
thought out of nowhere comes in my mind. Or she
was seeing a form of a question and the question
is or the idea was, wait a minute, you know
Satan followed angels that fall in elohem. They can read
the Bible just as well as we can. They can

(30:49):
read it better than us because they know it even better,
Like they know this is happening. Wouldn't they have a
plan for this, wouldn't they want to use this to
their advantage? Like, yeah, I guess that makes sense. And
then two areas in Revelation six never seemed to sit
right with me. One was the cry of the martyrs.

(31:10):
If this is the beginning of God's judgment, Why are
the martyrs asking God when He's going to judge and
avenge them? If he if this is the beginning, if
these four horsemen are from God? And then the wrath
of the Lamb, the wrath, that term wrath of the lamb.
This is the only place you will find that phrase
in the Bible. And who's uttering it? Evil men? Who

(31:33):
are They're not repenting. They go and hide and say
hides from the wrath of the lamb. Wrath is always
attributed to God, the Father Jesus, isn't it isn't, it
doesn't doesn't. He's not designated to put out his wrath.
So I thought that was odd, and that brought me
to Matthew twenty four because I was actually listening to

(31:56):
a message from Chuck Mister, which he wasn't connecting the two.
But what he was saying is that the Alibi discord.
In Matthew twenty four, this is Jesus's commentary on the
d Times, and there seems to be a match between
what he's saying there and these events. So let's look
at the context of Matthew twenty four. Jesus is about

(32:18):
to be crucified. He's gone to Jerusalem for the first time.
He'd been avoiding Jerusalem because he knew that the Pharisees
wanted to kill him there. But finally, when it's his
time and he's ready to force crucifixion. He goes there
deliberately and the disciples are showing off the temple to him.
He never he hadn't been to Jerusalem since in since
he was a baby, I'm assuming, you know, outside of Bethlehem,
and they're showing him the temple. And Herod had, you know,

(32:39):
refurbished the temple that was rebuilt after the Babylonian Babylonian captivity.
He did it kind of to appease the Jewish people
because they didn't really like him because Herod was not
a Jew, he was an Edomite and adia Man, and
so he was throwing them, you know, throwing a bone
to them by completely renovating their temple. And it was beautiful.
And they said, look, Jesus, look at our temple. And

(32:59):
Jesus said, yeah, look at the temple. I'm telling you
that one stone will not be left upon another which's
going to be completely destroyed, which was shocking because they
were expecting Jesus the Messiah to rule the earth from
that temple. That's what they were waiting. They were waiting
for it. They've been waiting for the Second Coming and
the Millennial, not just a milleniare but his kingdom that

(33:20):
they've been promised since the time of Abraham. And they said, well,
Jesus is the Messiah, He's he's gonna do it. And
when he said it's going to be destroyed, they were stunned.
So three of the disciples come to him privately and
they ask him three questions. He said, when will these
things be? I mean the destruction of the temple? What
will be the sign of your coming? And of the
end of the age. You can actually say that's two questions.
So they ask hi, when is the temple going to

(33:41):
be destroyed? And when are you actually gonna come back
and end this? When is the seventieth week of Dan
You're going to happen? When is the day of the Lord?
So they were asking him this and Jesus's first response
to them was take heed that no man deceives you.
And then he gives Then he goes into a when
he goes and names a few things that are going

(34:01):
to happen, and then he says, these things are not
the end. So what does he say. He says, so
this is all Calcian deception. He says, do not be
deceived in any gives several reasons, several things that are
going to be deceptive. He says. Number one, many will
come in my name saying I am Christ and will
deceive many. That's a deception.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
He says.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
There will be wars and rumors of wars. See that
you not be alarmed because the end is not yet.
So then there will be earthquakes in various places us
just missing Jesse Volcano. It'll be earthquakes in various places.
Then there will be pestilences, he says, but these are
just the beginning of birth pains. These are not the end. So,
just to put a capstone on this, disciples ask him

(34:44):
about the end times. Jesus says, there's going to be deception,
There's going to be false Christ. There are going to
be wars and rumors of wars. There's going to be
pestilences and famines. But these things are not the end.
Jesus specifically saying that these things are not the end.
They are deception of the end, these beginning of birth pains.

(35:04):
So and then later on we'll talk about this in
a moment. Then he tells you about the real size
of the nrbity and will be But he's saying, don't
fall for deception. So if I look at this historically,
because you know, it's been wealthy two thousand years since
you know, Jesus gave this prophecy, what can what there
are many will come in his name saying I am

(35:24):
a Christ. Huh. Do we have in history several men
throughout the ages who have said that I am the
replacement of Christ, and I'm sitting on a throne and
I lead this lead the church. Hm hmm. Yeah, they're
in row. Yeah, yeah, So many have gone and not
just them, They've been all kinds of false Christis, the Sabataeans,

(35:45):
the Francas, the you know who site. But I think
the most prominent are those guys in robes and pointy
hats and in the Vatican who have all claimed to
be Vicarius Christus.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
Mhm.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Vicarius Christus in less Latin. You know what vicarius christis
is in Greek anti Cristos. Oh my gosh, where we
get the word anti christ That's crazy because anti Cristos
means replacement Christ. Vicarius Christmas. The vicar means you're in
the place of Christ. I vicarius Christos means in the

(36:19):
place of Christ.

Speaker 6 (36:21):
Yeah, and then not to mention they sit on a
gold throne with a gold scepter, and I have like
really nice robes and stuff too, you know, garglet and purple.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Yeah, like royalty, you know.

Speaker 6 (36:31):
And they're doing a lot of demonic just a lot
of demonic ritual type thing.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
That.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Don't get me started on Catholic church because I'll go
but me.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Too, I get all. Kay, I'm always a useding anti Catholic,
and I say I am not. My wife was raised Catholic.
My best friend was RANDOOSI. I don't have a problem
with the Catholic people. I right, probably Catholic. With the hierarchy, yes,
the people at the top what they're doing, so I
wouldn't make that clear. But my point so they're so
so yeah, those things are happening. And and Jesse, just
like you were saying, these are the birth pains. And

(37:01):
I don't know if you if you guys have kids
or not, but if you've been, if you if okay, great,
so you know that when your wife starts having contractions,
they start far apart. My wife was in labor, like
she was at work. She didn't really because our first
son came early. He was like two weeks early. So
she thought she was having what they called brax and hicks.
You know, she saw she was having fake labor. So
and she would have a contraction like once every four hours.

(37:25):
But then as then at well, as you get closer
to the birth, they're closer together, and they get and
the intensity increases up until obviously when the baby's being born,
when it's like constant pain. So so Jesus in the Disciples,
they knew how this worked. Birth pains. That means things
are going You can have a bad thing happened, then
it'll be a long period of time that another bad
thing happens. But then as you get closer to the end,

(37:45):
they're going to be happening boom boom boom, one after
the other. So when you talk about the increase in earthquakes,
in volcanoes, in false christ in wars and rumors of wars,
there was an acceleration and I we're all witnessing it.
Things are happening, got an accelerated state. Stevehen you were
talking about technology. You know, if you go from the

(38:06):
beginning of time until one hundred and fifty years ago,
we traveled at the speed of horseback or sailboat. Yeah,
you know we we we be communicated at the speed
of horseback. Now we travel at the speed of sound.
We communicated at the speed of light. And it's you know,
we have now we have AI. Now we have computers
that can process information exponentially faster than we can.

Speaker 6 (38:29):
Well, even in the Bible, it says like technology will
increase in the last days, like you know, like and
truth will be you know, revealed, and you know, darkness
will be exposed in these times. And I think we're
doing it at a such a rapid rate that even
non Christians can't deny, Like there's something going on like.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Real quick too, man, Like, look how popular Christianity has
got over the past. And I'd say three or four years, dude,
And and and I see, I see the world in
this this it's like a big chess game. Dude's just
constant moves going on throughout the chess game. The devil
will come into something, got comes and does something. You know,

(39:05):
it's like constant back and forth.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
Well you see, you know that the chess game you
see is my is my mic still like stupid.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Loud, beautiful, you sound retarded. And I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
When I am retarded.

Speaker 5 (39:17):
So just like again, just like Sam Tripley says, I
dropped out of the first grade. So uh no, you
do see the Chess game live, because I've said the
same thing since these guys have reeled me onto the show.
I was doing MMA content before, and I was I was,
you know, you know, I had I had somewhat of

(39:38):
faith and then and then just I don't know that
the puzzle just got put together and I realized where
I should be. But but the going back to the
chess game, it's like you look at the rise in
the recent rise in Christianity throughout music, throughout I mean,
every facet of life, and there's a lot of people
coming to Christ and and and truly faithful. But then

(39:59):
you look at all of the immigration installments in the
United States and throughout the world, throughout Europe, throughout the UK,
Ireland of Muslim groups that are coming in and persecuting
Christians and they're just flooded in and it's it's that chess.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
Game, like you were saying, that's what that's how I
see it.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Yeah a lot. Yeah, as you're saying that there's a
rise in at least nominal Christianity, because I think people
are realizing that the secular world does not have answers
we've been if you look over the past twenty ish years,
we've been seriously traumatized. I mean the first trauma, it
was nine to eleven. That was traumatic, especially for us

(40:40):
in America. And then you follow that up twenty years
later with the pandemic, whatever you might think of that,
it traumatized us. We were forced to stay in our houses,
especially Brian in California. It was you were. They enforced
it hardcore out here, and we never I don't think
that we've fully been detraumatized. I think we're so suffering

(41:04):
PTSD from those events, and those sorts of things lead
people to ask questions and and they're not getting the
answers from the secular world because they feel bitrayed by
you know, trust to science or you know, it was
Saudi Arabian terrorists who who knocked down the tower, so
let's go attack a rack. Like, wait a minute, we're
not a lot. We're not that stupid. We're can be

(41:25):
pretty stupid, but we're not that stupid. At some point,
this just doesn't make sense, you know, why is this?
Why did this disease come out that was apparently so virulent,
yet the regular flu disappeared and everything that was the
regular flu is now labeled something else dangerous. Didn't know
like if you had it or not. I actually did

(41:45):
catch and it was it was like a pretty bad fate. Yeah, right,
that was. And actually I have a a friend was
telling me about her her father who had dementia and
he was he was put under care and he he
died of heart failure. But he also happened to have
COVID when he died, and they called it a COVID death.

Speaker 6 (42:08):
Of course, if you have a pre condition, Yeah, if
you have a precondition, like you're going to be more
susceptible to that. And they put people on the ventilators
too long and then they end up dying and then
they're gonna blame it as a you know, that death.
And then if they declared it as that death due
to you know, the job or not the job, but
we know it's the job.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
But like they would get money off that, and they
would get payouts.

Speaker 6 (42:31):
I have people that I personally know who have been
fired because they didn't want to do just that. So
it's just you know, and I know nurse plenty nurses
got fired for it, and they just they refuse to
do this and go along with his puppet game.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
You know.

Speaker 5 (42:48):
Yeah, the insurance companies just like you said, the payout
that that was a big plus for them, and they
just used it to inflate numbers as well. Uh they were,
they were killing it was you know, two birds, one
stone kind of deal with that one.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, I don't want to go far
down road. We could talk all the rest about that.
So my point is, these things are accelerating. Things are
happening quickly. So it's just like birth pangs as we're
getting closer to it. So I do I believe Runnie
in times, sure, but you know what, so did my
grandparents who passed away some time ago, and the apostle
Paul felt he was in the last days. So so

(43:23):
I'm not going to sit here and say definitively that
we only have where where it's going to happen in
my lifetime. I believe it, well, but I could be wrong.
But at the right things are accelerating. I think we're
we're hitting a singularity where if things get any faster, well,
the baby's going to be poor. I think I think
we're getting to that point right now.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Yeah, And it's all going to kind of fall like
dominoes when it does get started, right, and it'll carry momentum,
and then it's really the only thing that's going to
end the whole thing is it has to complete its cycle.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Right.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
And and what's crazy about these seals and Matthew twenty
four of the birth Pains and all this whatever, But
pertaining to the seals, you mentioned the fifth Seal. Right,
you had this premise towards it in the Martyrs, right,
but before the fifth Seal, right, the fourth Seal, this
is the this is the Pale Horse, right death?

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Right.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Okay, So there's something that takes place in the world.
Obviously what happened just before that is like some sort
of economic collapse of struggle within the financial monetary system
of the world. Maybe something is along the lines of
a digital id system where if you're familiar with the
movie Elysium with matt Damon's he's basically working the whole

(44:39):
day just to get enough food to eat, right, And
there's like this slums of a feel of what civilization
is at in this dystopian time. And then out in
space in orbit, the top of the Tower of Babble
pretty much. You've got a pentagram in the sky. But
it's called elysium, right, It's like where all the elites
want to go to, maybe to hide themselves right from

(45:01):
from the wrath of God. But take us into what
you're getting into with the fifth Seal. Yeah, okay, so
let me take a step back.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
So when I looked at so those are the pieces
that I had, I had my questions about the six seals,
you know, the wrath of the lamb, the prior of
the martyrs. The idea that you know, God put in
my head was, you know, wouldn't Satan have a plan
for this, wouldn't he have some way of of taking
advantage of it? And then Jesus talking about deception. Then
I put that together with with one final thing, which
was the anti Christ. He's the first the first seal.

(45:31):
Now I'm in complete agreement with the orthodox view that
the first seal, the White writer, is the beast, the
man of lawlessness, the man of sin. But he what
is he? He's a false Messiah. See, Satan has always
mimicked God. I think C. S. Lewis says that Satan's
basic power is, or basic goal is to ape you
know God. He wants to be like the Most High,

(45:53):
as as he says in Isaiah chapter at chapter fourteen,
I want to be like the Most High. He wants
to bring his own Messiah that will be accepted by
the Orthodox Jewish remnant, because they know they don't believe
in Jesus. They are still waiting for the Messiah. So
he wants, he wants. He said, Oh, God, those are
your people. Now they're gonna be my people. I'm going
to bring in my own Messiah. Who's who's gonna do?

(46:15):
But do something different than Jesus did, and he'll they'll
be accepted. Jesus himself said, you know, I come in
my father's name and you don't receive me. But another
will come in his own name, and him you will receive.
This is that person. This is again one of the
many titles of this entity. However, we all and when
I say oh, I don't just mean Christians, I mean worldwide.
When you look at polls, everyone knows we're due for

(46:36):
a judgment. Everyone knows that the apocalypse is coming. Muslims
have their apocalyptic scriptures that the Hindus have we you
know with Shiva all you look at all the major religions,
they know it. And even if you're an atheist, you
intrinsically know that we are due for some type of apocalypse.
Look at the most popular movies and t SHEP TV shows.

(46:56):
They're all apocalyptic into the world, be it zombies or
strike or whatever. Aliens, Aliens, especially the aliens. We're going
to get to the aliens when when we get to
the six Sealed. So if you want to have a
false Messiah, you got to have a false apocalypse because
not only does everyone expect an apocalypse, well then we
expect the Savior to come in. So if you're going

(47:19):
to have that false Savior, you're false Jesus. And everyone's
expecting Jesus to come at the end of this time
of trouble. Well, if you want to bring in your
fake Jesus, you got to have your fake end of
the world. And that's what I believe the Four Horsemen are.
I believe they're manufactured by Satan. They are a deception.
So when those when the first sail is broken, that

(47:40):
cherub them says, come and see, Well, you look at
the original language, the word and sea is not there.
That word for come and come, It just means proceed.
They're not talking to John. They're not saying, hey, John,
come and see. They're saying they're talking to the horsemen.
They're telling the horses to proceed. You can go. You're Stephen,
You're no longer restrained. Satan has not. We had this

(48:04):
idea that Satan is like the emperor in Star Wars.
He's like sitting back on his throne, just kind of saying,
you know, good, goodhood, My plan is slowly coming together. No,
Satan's been trying to do this from day one. He's
just been restrained, right and now at this point he's
his horsemen are not restrained. They're allowed to proceed. You
can go. Now God has done his part that the

(48:25):
Church has been taken out of the world. Again, that's
my beyond the rapture. It's a whole other thing. We
can touch on later if you want. But the believing
Church is gone, the Holy the restrainers away, go for it.
And Satan has never had unrestricted access to the world.
He's always been restrained, even the Old Testament. He can
only do what God allowed him to do. And under

(48:46):
the church age. I think the one of the reasons
why we don't see as many supernatural things that you
see as you see in the Old Testament is because
the Holy Spirit is restraining things big time, because the
Holy Spirit in dwells a church. That was not the
case in the Old Testament. The Holy Spirit would come
and go, but he was he could still restrain Satan.
But now as he is in dwelling the church, he
is suppressing a lot of the evil that the devil

(49:09):
wants to do. But you can also tell how close
we're getting by how much evil is being released. The
fact that the church is weakening means that evil is growing.
I mean, anytime a light dims, darkness grows. Because I
hear people all the time saying, well, you know, we're
we're looking at the growth of evil to see how
close we are to the end. No, no, don't look
at the growth of evil, look at the weakening of

(49:29):
the church. We are salt in light. But if our
light diminishes and our salt loses its savor, the growth
and evil is an effect. The cause is the church weakening.
So let's put that there. So in any case he had,
he'll have he'll be they'll be let go. So the
first thing that happened, the anti Christ comes, the white
writer goes forth conquering, and the conker a crown called

(49:50):
a stefanos was given to him. That's a crown. If
you've seen the old the ancient Greek Games and the
ancient Olympics, they were be given a laurel leaf around
their head when they would win one of the events.
It's a crowd of It's not a royal crown.

Speaker 7 (50:09):
It's a victory of Nike, which is the gree Well,
I'll say this, you know, wow, and maybe you can
make a connection here with this, but I even think
what surrounds the United Nations symbol is that same crown.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
It absolutely is.

Speaker 5 (50:26):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
That's the laurel leafs wow, and it means something I know,
but you know for like victory as.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Well, right yeah, Nike's Yeah, that's what Nike means to
mus victory.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Wow, dude, that's what they say. If you if you
were to go going to get in the time machine
and go back to ancient Greece when they would win
a race or a wrestling match, he would say.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Nike, woa.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
Okay. So that's the whole wild, that's the whole.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
So, so what what I find fascinating about the white
rider on the horse. Not the white rider, Sorry that
might sound kind of funny, but the white horse, right,
so conquering and to conquer. It's like a it's like
a marshal. Right, it's like a martialized movement, right. And

(51:14):
I say this because listening to Prince Charles at the
cop twenty six has had to be back in like
twenty twenty one, twenty twenty. You know, he was talking
about how the world needs to kind of come together,
you know, with everything's this Green New Deal at that time,
everything is climate change agenda, all this. But he was

(51:36):
basically referencing to a person and then an entity and
then basically someone who's going to lead and marshal the
private sector of the world, those that may not want
to be a part of the United Nations agenda or whatever.
But it made me think of that, you know, maybe
this Antichrist is here. This stuff might be coming around

(51:57):
the corner of the birth pains. We're seeing the the
cycles are getting closer together, right like the contractions would
what's your view on kind of what do you think
the anti Christ is here? Is it a man and
is it going to be like a political figure.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
The answer is to I believe the Antichrist is live today.
The answer is yes. You would ask me fifty years ago,
the answer is still yes, one hundred years ago. Yes,
Why because Satan has always had Satan doesn't know when
this is gonna end. He's always had someone that they're ready,
and I do believe that it will initially be a
human being. That's why they have all these Satanic rituals
and all these they call them the babylon Working and

(52:38):
the Babylon Working babies that they they've been guarding these
blood lines, and I believe they're Neffelin blood lines. They've
been guarding them for centuries. That's why these so called
royals are always inter marry. They're trying to preserve the
bloodline because they know that blood is a conduit for
spiritual power. There is something about blood has certain energy

(53:02):
to it, right, yes, right, and so they're trying to
preserve it. So, whoever this Antichrist is going to be
the current one. And again here's the thing, like let's
say you know, the let's say the tribulation starts tomorrow,
or or let's say that you know it's time that
are they the restrain is released, is taken away tomorrow. Well,

(53:22):
what if the Antichrist figure is is too old or
too young, what if he's like in his nineties or
or if the new one is is only like twelve,
Well they got to wait for a while until he
gets to be right age. Which is why some people
believe that the rapture is what begins the tribulation. No,
that's not now. The tribulation begins by the Antichrist signing
the steel, so they so it could be years or

(53:44):
decades between those two events. But so so, I do
believe that he always has a person at the ready
because he doesn't know when it's going to happen, and
you know, the the world is looking for a leader. Yeah, yeah, desperate.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Well real real quick, you're you're right, Like, I follow
with what you're saying. Right. When people are like, you know,
is the Antichrist alive? You know, well, they think that
it's got to be like this man initially, right, but
we know that that is the man of sin, and
that we understand with the ancient cultures and their practices,
that there's this apotheosis ritual, right, that that kind of

(54:25):
takes place with every king, every every ruler, everyone who's
in a high place, right, especially government. And you can
relate that to Nephlon and the fallen angel agenda and
all that, But what where do we kind of incorporate
that with everything? How do we incorporate the Nephilim agenda? Right?

(54:45):
And especially when Christ says, you know, in the end
times it would be like the days of Noah.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
So why I'm not trying about that, Mormon, get to
the fourth horseman. But I'll just give your rector. I
might take on it, No might take on it now,
because it actually gets beyond it. Because I believe that
the nefline aspect of the Antichrist is really going to
rear its head at the midpoint of the Tribulation, because
at the midpoint we see in Revelations chapter thirteen that
this person suffers a mortal wound that he comes back

(55:15):
from and so there and then the world worships him.
After that, I think he starts off as some type
of political leader or some type of a very influential
person for the first three and a half years. Then
he suffers this morning, he comes back and he's he's
healed from it, or the the word he'll just simply
means that he is restored. So the question is I

(55:38):
have a quick question.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
Sorry to cut you off of a very quick question
about that, because I've wondered this for a little bit
of time. Now, now this mortal wound is this Does
it specifically say that it was in public, like it
was televised, it was people saw it, people knew about it,
or or is this something that could happen with unseen eyes,

(56:00):
like is this something that could have happened without anybody knowing?

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Oh, the Bible doesn't say verbatim that it happens in
a public setting, but it does say that all the
world knows about Okay, because all the world is said,
all the war will marvel after him. Okay. So here's
the thing. If maybe you know, two three hundred years ago,
if somebody head was really wounded and they came back
like wow, that's miraculous, but today not so much. I mean,

(56:24):
people have gotten a shot in the head and people
I'm not saying that the wound is going to be
from a bullet, but people have been injured with with
our medical technology, they it would be miraculous. But would
it make you worship him if you saw someone who
got a head won't come back. No, Remember this is
a fake Jesus. What was Jesus's signature move? He wasn't
just wounded and came back. He died and came back.

(56:49):
That's when we said, oh, this is the Messiah. This
isn't just a rabbi. This guy's the son of God.
When it says mortal, that means deadly. I think the
Antichrist is going to die. Well, is Saydan's going to
resurrect him? No, he can't say it doesn't have a
power of life. Is this is way controversial? This is
totally ed Mabray's stuff. Don't take this to your pasture.

(57:13):
And in trying to suggest me putting pieces together, I
believe because look what happens in Revelation thirteen. First he
suffers this wound, and then you have the false prophet
who forces everyone to take the mark of the beast.
But he also makes them worship the image of the
beef beast. He says he takes it. He has this image,
he's able to give life or that word is numa

(57:36):
breath spirit to an image, and so that he can
walk and talk and speak, and then people worship the image.
Wait a minute, why are they not worshiping the Antichrist
whether worshiping his image? Well, that word image in Greek
means it actually means a facsimile, basically a copy. What

(57:57):
would you call a copy of a human being? A
clow bingo?

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Well, i'll tell you.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
And and and he has and he gives a spirit,
a breath, a numa to this clone. Whose spirit I
believe it's Nimrod who became? He became, He became, he
began to become a gibblem. That's that was a title
that's in in Genesis ten and eleven, that he began

(58:23):
he became a gibbleam. That same word gibbling is gen
chapter six. One of the terms for the nephileine Nimrod
became a nephileine Nimrod is quite possibly it is considered
Apollo or a pollion. He's in the bottomless pit? What
is the beast called the beast from the bottomless pit?

Speaker 1 (58:42):
This is very fascinating because that's the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
That's like put that's a little beyond what we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Well, I tell you what, it's not too far fetched,
not on this show. Let's go talk about We've talked
about this, it's been on my radar for a little bit,
and that's that there is going to be a counterfeit
Christ that that is going to deceive the the Church.

(59:09):
A lot of the Church that's just drinking milk, you
know what I'm saying, And they're not spiritually fed and
they're not spiritually built. And I think a lot of
the Christians today can fall under that kind of category
if they aren't talking about things like this or running
scenarios and talking about uh, you know, prophetic messages.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
And all of this.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
And I tie in the falling away with something, you know,
along the lines of what we're talking about. I tie
in the Islamic Muslim uh you know, religion where Christ
is also going to come back in their belief.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
That they're waiting for their Mahdi.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Right, that's theresphetic, but Christ comes in as almost like
the false prophet figure for the Madhi, and so they
believe that, right, And when we look at the demographics
of the whole world religion based right, like it's Catholicism,
it's Islam, And I guess you can fill in Christianity
in with the rest of that, but those two are

(01:00:10):
the ones that's kind of split the hemispheres of the
earth pretty much religious base, and we see them moving
towards uniting, right. We see the Catholic Church and we
see the the the other heads of state for the
Islamic regions there, but they're meeting together. They're kind of
having conversations of where can we have peace? Right, And

(01:00:31):
there's always like this peace and safety stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
But yeah, I remember Pope John Paul, who was Pope
John Paul the second who you know what three popes ago?
I guess he was before his death, he was meeting
with a lot of Islamic leaders because they were Their
commonality was that that they both revere marry, and they
were saying, well, we have that in common, we both
you know, and you know our Lady of Fatimah was

(01:00:54):
considered that that the Muslims revere the lady of Fadama. Okay,
we have that in common, so we can base based
on that and we can come together. So yeah, I
think so again, this image, this copy is going to
be worshiped. Why because the original one is dead. He
comes he comes back as a clone, and that's why
he's worshiped because and this it says, who is like
the Beast and who's able to make a war with him? Well,

(01:01:15):
if you kill me and I come back the next
day as a clone, how are you gonna make war
with me? Yeah? I can just keep coming from home, man.
And then that gets to what I believe the Mark
of the Beast is. I think that I think, oh
my god, I'm really getting off off page here. But
as you can go to my to my website and
my revelation series and getting more into this. But I
believe that that people are going to want to become

(01:01:36):
because again, what did Jesus offer. He offered eternal life.
He says, you can be like me and have eternal life.
Well what if this Mark of the Beast extends life?
What if it's tech? What if it's it's the technology
that technology humanism, transhumanism? Right, But it's going to be
I think it's actually a bait and switch. I think
is a trojan horse because I think what it's going

(01:01:58):
to do is if you get this mark is going
to alter your DNA. You know, the technology exists to
either turn you into a nephilne or allow you to
be possessed by the nephilane. Wow, and that is why
you can't repent? If you know what's about the Book
of Revelation. When all these judgments are happening, something very
curious again bugged me. God thought, I think I figured
it out. They would suffer all of these tragedies. And

(01:02:20):
it says for batam excuse me. That was my phone
going off. Where people what they say, Well, after all
these tragedies, people refuse to worship God and give God glory.
I'm like, wait a minute, after all this is happening,
you still won't worship God and you can't repent. And
we're told that once you take the mark, you are
ineligible for salvation. Why can't you say, well, God, I
took the mark last week, but I changed my mind?

(01:02:42):
Did Antichrist? Guy is nuts? What if you're no longer human? Right? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
And I right. I think a big part of that
choice is do you want to plug into this system,
the matrix? But you either want to plug in to
Christ the truth, or do you want to plug into
this eternal world with this all of the pleasures of
the flesh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Amato world a part of that? Yeah, man, right, and
you look at the at the the trumpet judgments at
the fifth trumpet, there's these demonic locos that come out
of the bottomless pit that sting people. And it says
people will want to die but not be able to.
How is that plexible? I mean building the only way
I could still die?

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
How could I not die? Well? The only way my
explanation is, how can you not die is if you're
not driving anymore? What if you've been what if you
take this and now that Neil spirit, because that's what
demons are, they're the spirits of dead Nephelin. What if
they're in charge and you want to die with an
influence like huh, I got I got the steering wheel, bud. Yeah,

(01:03:45):
that's theory.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
It's wild, and it's so it's it's so wild.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
I believe that I've had dreams about it and everything.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
RN.

Speaker 6 (01:03:54):
You are not a human anymore, therefore the Constitution does
not go with you anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
You are not a human being. Therefore you're not protected
under the constitution.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
That's what you did die for you.

Speaker 6 (01:04:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you have no God given right at
that point because you are not a human. You don't
have you know, God's image you don't have the breath
of you know, God given life to you. You're just
possessed or you're literally like a nephelem like or a hybrid.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
I think you are.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
I think at some point there's going to be some
sort of technology and I've done some research on this,
but it's going to have the abilities the side effects
pertaining to you not having the full control over the
agency of your consciousness, right and consciousness. There's a bunch
of different angles you can come at this, But at
the end of the day, it's free will. People can go, oh,

(01:04:43):
free will's bull crap, it's not real. It's real.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
I'll end it with this and get back to the
to the seals. But you look at a company like Monsanto.
They do the GMO stuff, and what they'll do is,
you know, they'll have their all their GMO plants, and
then a bee comes and pollinates their GMA plant. Then
it flies to another farmer's field and it polinates this
plas on Now that gmo, that genetically altered stuff is
now in this farmer's field. And mont Santo comes in

(01:05:09):
and says, hey, those crops are ours. We patented that.
And just because of be pollinated your plant. You have
that stuff. So now if that, what if that happens
with the market the beast and saying, wait a minute,
we patented this mark. It's changed your DNA. Your DNA
belonged to us. You're a corporate citizen. Now you don't rights.

Speaker 5 (01:05:28):
They said they did this, They ran that. They they
said that in the new one of the new Jurassic
World movies.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Really, okay, I haven't not yet. I haven't watched it
the recent ones.

Speaker 5 (01:05:39):
They it's the same exact scenario you just said. They
had these locusts. Are these these They had locusts that
they had, so it's it's kind of different. But they
had plants from this corporation. And Stevie remind me, I
don't know if you've watched it either, but what was
the corporation called in Jurassic World.

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
I can't remember. It doesn't really matter, but they had.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
What's that I thought it was? I n G N.
That's from the original. I've only seen the first three.

Speaker 5 (01:06:06):
Yeah, yeah, so it's something one of the corporations. They
have these plants that are like genetically modified to keep
the locusts away, and the locusts just eat all the
other plants and then their fields are the only ones left.
And it's kind of a little different, but it's similar
in a way. That struck a chord with me right there.
That's interesting, very interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Yeah, I'm actually impressed. Man, you are you are right,
it is. You're a little movie nerd.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
I like that. The first Jurassic Park was like, I
blew my mind back in like in the nineties. I
was just that the special effects and everything, the story, right. Yeah,
So I remember that. I've seen that movie so many times.
I was always always dug the whole dinosaur thing, and
I just thought it was really the premise was so
fascinating that you get it from the mosquito blood and

(01:06:53):
the and the amber.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
So yeah, yeah, yeah today, so how can we tie
in what we're talking about with the seals?

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Right? Okay, yes, let's just get back to the seals
in So that was the Antichrist, So I believe that.
So my take is same with the Orthodox that the
first Seal is the Antichrist. He's gonna begin his campaign,
He's gonna be the false Messiah. He starts as a
little horn, according to Daniel, which means a horn are
symbols of spiritual authority. He's gonna be a small authority
that's gonna grow. And yeah, he goes forth conquering and

(01:07:21):
the conquer he begins his career the second Horseman. They
call him war, but that's not what the Bible says.
They don't call this red Horseman war. He just said
that the Red Horseman has the power to take peace
from the earth, and he calls men to causes men
to kill one another. That word kills. The Greek word spotso.
Spotso means killed, but it means kill as part of

(01:07:42):
a sacrifice. Spotso means to slaughter as part of sacrifice.
If you were in ancient Israel in the first century
and you were doing your sacrifices, you say you with
spotso a lamb on the altar. This is not just war.
This is ritual killing in order to ritual sacrifice to
bring in spiritual energy. Blood sacrifice thens the veil between

(01:08:05):
the spiritual realm and the physical realm and causes and
allows spiritual energy to come in. So first Satan has
his Antichrist come in. Secondly, there's mass killing, blood hitting
the ground that causes an extraordinary, an extraordinary influx of
demonic energy into the world. So that's what's happening here.
Men are sponsoring each other. We see we see hints

(01:08:27):
of this and a lot of these school shootings where
these people they're programmed, they mk ultraate these folks and
and there's armies of them apparently, and they're just waiting
for the command to go out and just start killings. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Yeah, So are you going to release demonic energy? Are
you familiar with the term the Black Awakening?

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
Rust is Star I know, I know, right he passed away,
right he did.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
He think a couple of years. I think around COVID.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Actually, I really want to get that book that he wrote,
you know, getting into the Black Awakening and he talks
about this stuff. But it's like two hundred and thirty
dollars and I'll get there.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Man. I wish I should have bought it back when
he was alive.

Speaker 5 (01:09:09):
A reading on YouTube. There's a guy that does an
audio on YouTube. No, I don't know if it's still
on there, but so.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
So, do you know a little bit about the Black Awakening?

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Yeah, I mean the idea of it because I would
listen to it to Russ here and there, and the
idea behind it as I understand it was that at
some point there's going to be a word kind of
what I described, a word is going to be given
to all of these sleeper cells, these these Babylon working babies,
these these people who have been in k altered and
they're they don't even some of them don't even know

(01:09:40):
consciously that they've been trained, but there's a trigger word
or sound or something, and they're just going to go
into their programming and start killing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
Yeah, you know, it's basically right. We make these connections
with MK ulture with all this right, because it's some
sort of people have humanity in their heart at the
end of the day, but you can really desensitize and
just really traumatize someone and just twist the way that
their chemicals work in their brain. And I mean, this
makes me think of Charles Manson, right. And obviously drugs

(01:10:14):
are becoming more popular and recreational in our day to
day and who knows what that's going to look like
ten fifteen years from now. Everything could be in the
stores and available for everyone. But Charles Manson used drugs
in his techniques to in a way, brainwash people to
go out and do things that he in a way.

(01:10:35):
He didn't request them to do it. It's almost like
the movie Inception where they plant the idea in someone's head,
but they didn't necessarily tell.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
You to go do so right to do this.

Speaker 5 (01:10:46):
Yeah, he'd have these LSD parties and everybody thought he
was on LSD as well, and he would just drug everybody,
and he'd just literally preach like Hitler or something, and
he'd just sit there and preach, and no one realized
that he was the one providing everybody the drugs and
providing everybody the deception.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
It's crazy. Nobody even I think he was a precursor,
and I think there have been lots of them, and
they're becoming more frequent. And that's the birth pangs. So
let's let's move on to the so quick uses to
the Black horse Man. The Black Horseman is it's famine,
but it's manufactured famine. It's hyperinflation. And we know that
we could do that today easily because our money's not real.

(01:11:28):
And but notice what it says that, you know, a
loaf of bread basically a measure of wheat four days
way to three measures of barley. But it says, don't
hurt the oil of the wine. Oil and wine are
luxury products. If you're in a famine, no one cares
about oil and wine. That means that the rich are
going to be protected, but the common person they're going
to be starving. So this is manufactured and we and

(01:11:50):
again it's very easily done. Our dollar could collapse in
any moment. And so what is a purpose of this.
I think it's population control between the spotso and us
understand that God is omnipresent, Satan and the fallen angels
are not. They can only be in one rough geographical
location at a time, so the fewer people there are,

(01:12:10):
the easier it is to manage. So I think, you know,
population control is a huge part of all these New
World Order agendas. They want to readouce to our population drastically,
and I think this is one of the way he
is going to do that. Eugenics, right, yeah, eugenics, And
then we get then we get to the fourth horsemen.
This is where things get really interesting. A fourth of
the earth. If this happens today, we're talking what two

(01:12:32):
billion people are going to be killed through wars. Okay,
I understand that through famines, Okay, through pestimus diseases, maybe
even design or diseases. We kind of have experienced with that,
and it says through the beasts of the Earth, that's
not you know, goats and chickens and bears and lions
smacking people around. No, that word again, just go to

(01:12:53):
the original language. Is theyon ghee or theory on gigantes.
Theyon means beast, supernatural beast. Everywhere we see it in
the Revelation, beasts refers to a supernatural entity. God means
the earth born. Earth Born is one of the titles
in Greek in the septuag of the Nephileine the Nephole.

(01:13:17):
That's where we get the word giants. They happen to
be giants, but God means the earth born. This is
a return of the Nephileine, the fourth Horseman, the nepholema
coming back, and that's what's going to be responsible for
killing a fourth of humanity. Wow, those things. But but
in addition to that, and we're not ready for that.
We're not ready for I am ready. I need to

(01:13:40):
get But we know you've heard the Kantahar Giant. They're
they're these things are all these deep underground military bases.
I believe that that they're nefiling down there. I believe
that what we call aliens the grays, could possibly be nephiling,
That they are these engineered bodies that these spirits go into.

Speaker 6 (01:13:58):
So and their souls are the foot soldiers of those
napalm and stuff like that too.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
That's what I've heard.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Yeah, I think Steven, you were talking about as Jesus said,
as it was in the days of Noah Matthew twenty four.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
Be like X men out here, bro.

Speaker 6 (01:14:10):
We got all these hybrids falling, the angel beings flying
all over, and you know, the seed serpent bloodlines fighting
with each other.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
And exactly it's gonna be like straight up black and
sign and all these things.

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
Yep, all black eyed children. It's so crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:14:22):
What's the what's the what's the Where does it come from?
Where the Euphrates river dries up? And then the angels
the fallen come out of the chains of of below
the below the Euphrates.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Or something that that's that's what the Sixth Bowl of
I think the sixth Bowl of Wrath phrased to dried up.
But that's the way you have to make the way
of the Kings of the East. But you also have
at these At the sixth trumpet, you have this two
hundred million entited army, gemonic army that comes from the
River Euphrates. Two hundred million. I good luck with that.

(01:14:54):
That never gonna slaughter a third of the earth. So
between this fourth being slaughtered here the third being slaughtered,
that's half the population of the world killed. Now the trumpets,
those are from God, so that's different. But he's releasing
them to do that because these are angels that have
been imprisoned. Mm hm. They were in prison a review

(01:15:15):
prads in the in the pseudopiccer Foot Book of Enoch
that you know, we have these entities that were falling
and they were in prisoned. There you have you know,
those the the locusts we talked about in the fifth trumpet.
They they torture men for nine months. I believe that
they're nephelim. Why because of five months? How long was
the flood on the earth? Five months?

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
This is okay? Yeah. I also have this theory too,
where you know, not only are they probably working on
hybrid you know hybrids you know in these dumbs and
these deep underground military bases and stuff, but what if
they're also working on like robots AI. Uh, you know,

(01:15:56):
we're thinking of like a sky net material in this
kind on set, right, And it's crazy because it makes
me think of the movie I Robot, right, and everyone
there's a robot in every home and pretty much all
of a sudden, the robot it just turns red.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Right, Yeah, it could happen. I mean whatever technology we have,
I think we're probably thirty forty years behind whatever the
military is that we get their cast offs, we get
the stuff they're tired of. Okay, oh you guys want Okay,
we're done with a I will give it to the
to the to the masses now pretty much. iPhone. Yeah,
we have the iPhone in the fifties. Okay, you guys,
gonn happen. Now we're done. Yeah he moved on. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
So I feel like we're getting closer to the alien part.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
We're about there. We're this close there. So so the
the the fifth seal is the cry of the mart
We already talked about this, and this is one of
the things that made me believe that this was not
from God, because the martyrs, if these were from God,
if the four Horsemen were God's judgments, then what the
martyrs would make any sense, and God's response wouldn't make

(01:17:02):
any sense because the martyrs are saying, how long old
Lord till you avenge us. We've been, we were killed
for your sake, When you're going to avenge us? Well,
if that was, if this was happening by when God
say I'm doing it now, Look I got you guys.
But no, God says, wait a little longer, meaning that
it hasn't started yet. So if this was God's wrath already,

(01:17:24):
they wouldn't be saying when are you gonna do it?
And God's response wouldn't have been wait. He would have said, guys,
I got you. Those horsemen you see ride and that's
from me. No, this is one of my big pieces
of evidence that this is not from God. What's happening
is that I think the martyrs are looking at the world,
looking at these four horsemen, and they are saying, God,
what we know You're righteous and true. But it looks
like Satan's winning. He's got these horsemen riding, he's got

(01:17:47):
his Antichrist, he's got this spot so happening with the slaughter.
He's controlling the economics. Now, he's got the Nephelin back. God,
I know you're righteous, but when are you gonna, you know,
do this? And God says, don't worry, it's coming. Just
hold on for a little while longer, hold on for
a little season.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
Season.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
Yeah, that'll be a segway we'll get to in a minute.
We have time, so let's let's wrap this part up
with the sixth Seal. The sixth seal there is It
says that the heavens roll up like a scroll, and
the stars of Heaven are flung to the earth like
a fig tree sheds his figs during a storm. So

(01:18:26):
this isn't a gentle floating down. This is you know,
these are being flung to earth stars of heaven. That's
an idiom for fallen angels. These are not meteors. Stars
of heaven is an idiom for angels. The apostle John
knew the difference between a star and a meteor. He
was an intelligent guy. This is not what that means,

(01:18:47):
he mean. This is the culmination of what's happening in
Revelation chapter twelve, where it talks about in the middle
of chapter twelve, where it says that there's there was
war in heaven, Michael and his archangels, Michael and his
aim We're fighting against the devil Satan and his angels,
and they lost, and they were kicked out of heaven
and flung down to Earth because there was no place

(01:19:07):
found for them in the heavens. Right now, they are
in the heavenly realms, not in the thrones of God heaven,
but they're in the spirit When by I say heaven,
I mean the spiritual realm. In in Revelation twelve, which
isn't a big picture overview of everything, so it's not chronological,
it says that they are going to be finally kicked
out of heaven and they'll be cast down to Earth.
They're going to be forced to materialize here. They know

(01:19:31):
this is coming, they're prepped for it. When they come
to ours and they materialize, what's going to be their story.
We're your space brothers.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
Yeah, we're your star seed friends.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
We're your creators. You saw Stephen, You're the movie, But
you might have seen that well pretty bad sequel prequel
to Alien was The Prometheus where you had these you know,
this big, very pale skinned alien who drank something he
dissolved into the water and that they say, basically that's
where we got our DNA from. They're gonna have a
similar story. We seeded you here where your where the Annaki? Yes,

(01:20:07):
where your progenitors, and we hear where your creators. And
we've come back to you during this time of distress
to lead to you to help that guy on the
white horse, that's our boy. He's gonna be our liaison
between your world and my theory. But this is what
I believe is what to happen, because it says it's
these guys are rolled up like a scroll. It's almost

(01:20:27):
like God, it's squeezing the mouth. It's like, you guys,
get out of the heavens. You're dull your earth. Why
does he want them on earth? Because the purpose of
the tribulation, they're two purposes. One is theF is to
afflict Israel so that they finally asked for their Messiah.
He says in Hosea, I will return it to my
place until they acknowledge their offense and their affliction. They

(01:20:47):
will seek me earnestly so they'll finally say, oh, oh yeah,
this we missed him. It was Jesus. And they're gonna
call call for Jesus to come back, and in three
days he will return. That's that'll be the end. The
other reason is to punish spiritual evil. So in order
to punish them on the earth, they have to be
on the earth. God's kicking them out of heabit He
He's putting all of the players on the chess board
so that they can be judged. So they're kicked out.

(01:21:08):
So what about the earthquake? Why is there this great earthquake?
Because there's fallen angels locked under the earth. They're being
kicked up. The ones who are in the heavens are
being kicked out, the ones who are under the earth
are being All the players are on the field. So
what about the wrath of the lamb? Why do they
call this the wrath of the lamb?

Speaker 8 (01:21:29):
Because it's their wrath, not appointed to us. By there,
they're blaming Jesus for the stuff they did. Ah, they're saying,
this is all the fault of Jesus. They said, hide
us in the face of him who sits on that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
They're on it from the wrath of the lamb. Right,
there's no such thing as the wrath of the lamp.
Jesus is not appointed. Jesus is not a point wrath,
but they're saying, they're blaming Jesus, they're blaming Christians. This
is the God of the Bible is evil. He's a horrible,
vengeful god. He's doing all the stuff to you. It's
not us, it's him. And that's why throughout the rest

(01:22:03):
of Revelation, fallen Man curses God. He says, it actually
says that the Antichrist, he says, he blasphemes the throne
of God and those who dwell in the heavens, the
people who who I believe are raptured. And I believe
that there are three raptures. I don't believe in just
the one. I used to be a hardcore, pre trip
raptured guy until you know, I actually someone smarter than

(01:22:27):
me pointing me in the right direction. It says, Look,
if the Bible has verses about three raptures, then there
must be three. There's one the beginning, middle, and end.
But they have served three purposes. I'm not going to
get into that right now, but the point is that
the Antichrist curses those who dwell in heaven. So they're
going to blame this on Christianity, and the Antichrist is
going to say, well, I'm the good guy. I'm your

(01:22:48):
true Messiah. Those other ones they are from the evil God,
the demi urge, the vengeful, angry God of the Old
Testament is doing this to you. But we're here to
save you. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
And you know what's going on too in culture is
there's this development of like a new Christianity. In my opinion,
it's and it's it's it's I call it like the
new Age Christianity. And what really kind of solidified a
lot of things for me with this concept was I
started digging into who Peter Thiel was and and he's
the guy who co founded Pallanteer and he's developing a

(01:23:21):
lot of a lot of surveillance state technology, let's just
say this, right, But he's also bringing something new to
Silicon Valley, and that is this new style of Christianity.
You know, he calls himself a Christian. He also oh yeah,
and and the people in Silicon Valley they're actually starting
to uh get into Christianity because they want to get

(01:23:43):
closer to him, and and there is this like God
complex behind it. But he was he was on an
interview not too long ago, about a week ago maybe
if that, but he was questioned a few things, right,
and they're there. They were Christian based questions, right, pretending
to palanteer and the possibility of it being weaponized in

(01:24:06):
our world in the future. And you know, what's his
thought process of the anti Christ? And does he believe
that the human race should endure and survive? And his
answers to these questions were very If you have any
discerning at all or any discernment, you would know that
this guy is not of the truth. Like, this guy

(01:24:29):
does not believe in what the Bible's talking about. He's
actually taking things from the Bible and making his own
interpretations of it. And he makes these connections with Christianity
and transhumanism and he's like, look look at that transfiguration
of Christ. Like he didn't just stay at one mode
per se, right, he exalted, he became like this divinity.

(01:24:52):
And he's like, you know, why can't we do that?
And I'm like, oh my goodness, man, this is a false, Like,
and you have people like this that are pushing Christianity
and they're going to just start leading people into this
false you know, this false you know Christianity, and it's
it's wild, man, it's wild. I think it kind of

(01:25:13):
plays into some of the things we're talking.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
I think what they're going to do is they're going
to say that they have the real truth of God
and that Christ today's Christians just had a false doctrine
and that's why they have to be taken out of
the way. They had to go because they were believing
the wrong God. Where are the right ones? Where your
true creators? We love you, we want to give you technology.
That other God he was angry and told you not

(01:25:36):
that you couldn't have sexy time, You couldn't you know,
party and do drugs and no, no, no, We're telling
you just we love humanity. We want you to be
your best self. That other God was restrictive and he
had all these rules.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
And nism and that's what Gary Wayne talks about it
where he's like, this is there. There's going to be
a new world order of gnostissism that will come at
some point in time. Very interesting stuff. This is deep, man.
And I think what we can also get into with
what we're talking about, you know, with with Project.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
Bluebeam, Project Blue waiting for this, they've they've they they're
planning for it, and I believe Project Blue is a
big part of it. They have the technology, and I
think this is how they're going to mask them, them
being kicked out of the heavens and being forced to
materialize on Earth.

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
Mm hmmm, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, man, dude, there's so much technology
out there that we haven't been disclosed to that they're
using for their own benefit and plans. They'll probably never
be it'll probably never be given out to the public
at any time.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
I've heard there's a certain technology that where they can
almost like I want to say, being thoughts into.

Speaker 6 (01:26:45):
Your head, but they can like being the voice of God,
the God Voice particle thing.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
They can literally put a person.

Speaker 6 (01:26:52):
They can they can put an image of a person
right in front of you, and they can literally like
talk to you like as if they're a real person, but.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
They're not there. They're just rejected that it's crazy, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
Yeah. And talking about Project Bluebeam, it's like there's multiple
steps to it, right, There's like a there's like a
multifaceted architecture, like a revealing of ancient excavated sites where
it reveals something that pertains to what I believe is
going to be a link to the Sumerian writings and

(01:27:25):
the on Naki theme and all this kind of stuff
and all that's the light show in the sky that's
going to be a part of it. Earthquakes is going
to be a part of it. They actually, you know,
Serge Manoska, this guy who kind of wrote this thing,
he he talks about that they have equipment that can
generate earthquakes, right, and so we know that in a

(01:27:46):
part of the birth pain process, like this is earthquakes
right in diverse places. And so it makes me I'm like, man, dude,
do they really want to pull through with this? But
do they think they're doing the right thing? Yeah, Like
like do the elites think they're they're they're they're doing
the right thing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Like, well, they do the right things for themselves. What
they want is eternal life, right they And this isn't
new if you go throughout history, the elites, the rulers,
the royalty have always partnered with fallen Elohem and the Nephelim.
They've always had magicians at court. You look at Pharaoh,
Pharaoh had Janis and Jambres, who were able to duplicate

(01:28:28):
the first couple of plagues. So they have spiritual power.
They weren't faking it. That wasn't a magic trick, I
mean a parlor trick. Rather, they partner with these fallen
eloheim in order to rule over men because that's what
they because they want worship. So getting all the way
back to the Deuteronomy thirty two world view that you
if you listen to doctor Michael Heiser, he will tell

(01:28:48):
you about that that when after Babel, when God separated
the world into nations based on language, and he took
his one nation for himself that he was going through
whom he was going to bring in his messiah. The
other seventy he put members of his council, his Eloheim
council in Deuteronomy thirty two, over those other nations to
guide them and while he focused on his nation. But

(01:29:10):
what we find out is that all of those aloheim fell,
all the angels fell because they accepted worship. Worship corrupts.
Worship has an exchange of spiritual value. It's not just
you know, it's not just words and waving your hands
around it. No, it's an exchange. It's like Heroin to
the fallen angels. They can't handle it. Only God can
handle worship. Celebrities can't. Why why do you think celebrities

(01:29:32):
go nuts because they're getting worshiped and they can't handle that.
Spiritual transfers too much for them. Angels are the same way.
If you're an angel and you are the angel who's
over I don't know Persia, and you have all the
Persian people ancient Persia worshiping you, well, you're an addict.
You want more? How do you get more? Well, you
got to conquer another nation. But that nation has an

(01:29:53):
elohem over them as well. Well, now you got to
go to a war. That's the whole purpose of war,
to conquer more nations so that the eloheim get more
worship so and they partner with the rulers of these
nations in order to conquer.

Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
Well, no regular people want to go to war. We
want to just get a night, get a house, find
your spouse, your you're a special person, maybe have a
few kids, you know, work your land, just have a
nice life. No one says you know what I wanted today?
I want to get up, get a gun and Marhington,
a place I've never been to, and kill a bunch
of people I never met. No, the only people who
want more are the fallen Kloheim and their minions who

(01:30:31):
are our leaders. So they've always been in partnership with them.
And that's that's happened from the beginning and it's happened
happening to this day. So to answer your question, what
do the elites want? They want that spiritual power. They
don't want to ever die because they know they're the
bad guys. They know that they're not going to that
that they're due for judgment. What do they but they're

(01:30:52):
but the fallen Eloheim leading to believe the Hey, you
come with us, We're going to give you the secrets
of the ages. We're going to show you how to
have eternal life, transhumanism, all these different things.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
Right, how do you think you know? They're making connections
to these entities. And I've used entities just to kind
of categorize all.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
Of it generational. I mean they these are things that
have been passed on since the very beginning, since the
book of Genesis. That these that's why these royal families
they highly hoard their secrets. I call them the mystics.
These are the folks who are always in power. Doesn't
matter when kings come and go. The mystics are always
in power. And call them the deep state to this day.

(01:31:31):
Presidents come and go, but the same few people are
always in power. Henry Kissinger as an example, and I
think Piece passed away, but that guy, no one ever
elected him, but he's been a power broker since the
seventies or at sixties. Act right, you can think, you
name them. They are people who are behind the scene.
Donald RUMs felt back in the day, he was always there.
Dick Cheney before he became vice president. These folks are

(01:31:55):
always behind the scenes, and these secrets have been passed
by on to them. They're this They're the elite priesthood
behind the scenes who they pass on their connections and
their their knowledge of how to connect with these entities
to their their successors. And they've been doing it since
the beginning. They've been doing it since the time of Babel,
all the way to this day. You have all these

(01:32:17):
these ancient secret societies same once. They've just yeah, they
they they've just been passing it down all the way
to this day.

Speaker 1 (01:32:27):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:32:28):
I was watching the Blade series with Wesley Snipes for
the you know, one hundredth time. It's one of my
favorite series. I love the old vampire stuff. And you
look at the Familiars and the Blade series, and the
Familiars are the handlers, the human handlers for the vampires.
And it's kind of reminds me when you talk about
Henry Kissinger and they are the higher up familiars. They

(01:32:50):
are passing down to the other familiars the knowledge and
the so you know, yeah, yeah, it's crazy, man.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
Now you have what Valerie Jarrett who was, who was
mentored by Dick nu Brazinski who was you know, you
keep you can just keep going back all the when
when the when the Nazis were brought over here in
Operation paper Clip, they brought all of their arcane knowledge
and they trained you know, American ely. It just it
just keeps passing on. But it's it's the same old
stuff that's been around since since of Babel, since Sumeria.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
Yeah, it's like the Black Sun worship thing going on.
It's just it gets wild.

Speaker 6 (01:33:26):
You have all this underground like Babylonian mystery religions, and
it's just it's steeped.

Speaker 3 (01:33:32):
It's just repackaged kind of for the newer generations.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
I feel, well, well, remember when the Nephilem when when
in Genius chapter six, when we have the incursion. When
you read the Book of Enoch, it you know, gives
you more details. And and note that these fallen angels,
they didn't just have sex with the women. They married them.
They it didn't say no, no, it was a legal marriage.
It wasn't just fornicating. The Bible said they married him.

(01:33:56):
Why because they wanted their offspring to have a legal
authority on the earth. God said that the earth has
to be ruled by humanity. What are human beings? We're
spiritual physical hybrids. The fallen angels said, well, well, if
we make our own spiritual human hybrids then legally, and
if they wipe out all of the men, then they
can have legal authority. That's tim mal Borreno talks about

(01:34:18):
this kind of stuff. So they married them because they
wanted to be legal. They were trying to find a
loophole and say, hey, God, you said this, you have
and you can't disobey your own precepts, so that's how
we can do it. So they but the part of
marriage in that culture was you would have to ask
for the hand of marriage from the father and then
if and then the daughter had to say yes as well.

(01:34:40):
But they would give you gifts in order to seal
the betrothal. What was the gifts they gave them. They
gave them knowledge. They gave their knowledge of enchantments, knowledge
of the stars and constellations, and warfare Asazel one of
the one of the Fall and on ones. He gave
them knowledge of how to make swords and do warfare.
This is all in the book Enoch. So these were

(01:35:01):
the gifts that they gave them. So my point is, like,
all this technology we're getting, where do you think is
coming from? You think we suddenly got really smart? Or right?
Did we get where was there's some help from on high?

Speaker 1 (01:35:13):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
Right? Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:35:14):
When you look at Operation paper Clip and you look
at the same timeframe of Roswell, it's it's like roughly
within the year that we get Roswell, and.

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
What happened right before what happened right with that roswell
a huge bloodshed World War two, right, fifty million people dead.
Oh that bloodshed, blood hitting the ground, standing the veil,
allowing spurs energy to come through, and that oh look aliens.

Speaker 1 (01:35:40):
Right right, oh, yeah, we've got about fifteen twenty minutes left. Man,
just want to let you know, in case you wanted
to Guy A bow on that, but so so yeah, yeah, man, dude,
you know the alien stuff, the cult is infatuated with it,
the occult spin, I mean, dealing with these things, like

(01:36:03):
you said, from the beginning of time. All this, I
think really kind of does stem from what maybe happen
in the garden, you know, you that tree of knowledge
and good and evil. Really it's allegory to me. It
could mean many different things, but I think there was
a seduction for knowledge at the end of the day,
and we've subjected ourselves to that. Unfortunately, not all of us,

(01:36:26):
but the people of the world, right, they're they're they're
loving it, and they don't know that they're just being
walked off of a cliff, right, And really it's just
time that will tell. With all these things pretending to
like revelation in the seals and all this, you know,

(01:36:46):
where does the mark of the Beast kind of come
in in in in throughout Seal one and six or seven?
Is this involved with all this?

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
No, I believe the Market of the Beast happens after this.
So my take on it again, I believe is the
decep from Satan, and I believe it happens right before
the seventieth Week, because I think that they're going to
accept this Antichrist as a messianic figure and then, and
I think that's what's going to allow him to confirm
this covenant with the Many with Israel, because he's going

(01:37:19):
to be seen as a person who can solve all
these problems. But the problems were created by the evil ones.
This is their deception. And that's so I think it's
happening either at the very beginning or right before the
seventieth week, and then the market is basically at the
midpoint three and a half years later.

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
Gotcha, I'll ask you this, where we're at in our
day to day you know, where do you kind of
put us amongst the timeline with the with the things
going on with Israel, man and the nation's kind of
starting to kind of there's a lot of tension build up,
but I'll let you go there is.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
Yeah. I've gotten quite a few questions about especially with
what happened was happened recently with Iran and all that,
And they say, well, where is Israel and prophecy? Should
we be Christian Zionist or should we be go the
other way around? Is Israel? Are they irrelevant to prophecy
or are they the key to prophecy? And I think
that both extremes have flaws. Here's the thing. Right now,

(01:38:14):
God is dealing with the world through the Church. Now
Israel is He's not done with Israel. Romans Chapter is nine,
ten and eleven he hammers at home. The apostle Paul
says that God is not done with Israel. They are
temporarily blinded. And I'm talking corporately because there are plenty
of Jews who are Messianic. Obviously, the first Christians were
Jews of disciples, so Furth and so on. But corporately,

(01:38:36):
he says, they're blinded, but not permanently. They're blinded until
the times of the Gentiles, the times of the Church
is over, and then they will be prominent again. So
you have the church age. And once the church age
is done, where and so where are we now? We're
still I think we're towards the end of the Church age.
I believe this and I talk about it in my
Revelation series that those seven letters to seven Churches, those

(01:38:58):
seven churches, the letters in the order of which they
were given in Revelation, actually outlies church history from the
Apostolic Church in Ephesians with the first and the first
couple of centuries, through the persecuted Church in Samyrna, which
is more like the second and third century where the
Roman persecution was really going strong. Pergamum, the compromising Church.

(01:39:19):
I think that represents the time of Constantine when he
legalized Christianity and Christians suddenly became more prominent and they
started to compromise with the world. Thiotyra represents the medieval Church,
the beginnings of Catholicism, where there was a lot of
idolatry and they were worshiping this woman Jezebel. Then you
have Church at Sartists, which represents, I believe, the Reformation

(01:39:43):
Church where they did a lot of good things, but
their theology was dead because they did not because basically,
through Calvinism and Calvinism it's predetermination, and it basically states
that you know your God. God decides whether or not
you're saved when you're born, a predetermined for heaven or
hell when you're born, meaning why should you do anything?

(01:40:04):
That's a whole other subject. And then the Church at Philadelphia,
and that's from the fifteen sixteen hundreds, the Church of
Philadelphia I think it represents the missionary Church when the
Great Awakenings, when you had you know, Matthew Henry and
all these great reformers and who came through the Great
Awakenings and they started saving folks, and the missionary and
the missions went all over the world. And then that's

(01:40:25):
then the final church is the Church of Leadicea. That
is the church that is lukewarm. That church won't take
a stand, that's more concerned with their own personal luxuries
and they're own largesse, and they are there neither hot
nor cold. They don't want to be on fire for God.
They don't want to completely reject God. They want to
be right in the middle so that they don't offend

(01:40:45):
too many people and they can just be like the
you know, the lazy church. And I think that's where
we are now. And if that's if that's true, and
it might not be, but if that is true, then
I believe that's the church era that we're in, meaning
that we may be the terminal generation. When we combine
that with the fact that the nation of Israel, no
matter what you think of the politics over there and

(01:41:06):
the actual government, you know, the Bible says that a
nation will be born in a day, but it also
says that they'll be born secular, that this nation will
not be they won't have a spirit in them. When
you look at Ezekiel chapter thirty seven, the Dry Bones Prophecy,
he says that you know, there's going to be a
period of time, a long period of time where they're
where they're physically gone from that land, but then they're

(01:41:27):
going to come back to the land, but they won't
have the spirit in them till the very very end. Wow.
So that looks like where we are now, where Israel
it is secular, it's not. I mean, some of them
are nominally Judaic, but they don't know their Messiah, dude.
So my point is that that's going to be. They're

(01:41:48):
going to be like that until the very end, until
they finally call for their Messiah. Then they'll have the
breath of life put into them. All that to say
that right now our stance towards Israel should be that's
God's business. Where the church we need to do what
the Bible says the church is supposed to be doing.
That is making disciples of others, preaching the truth and love,

(01:42:10):
and let God handle israel I don't need to breed
red heifers and cinem over there. I don't need to
approve of everything they do. God didn't approve everything they did.
I was talking to someone about this before. They said, well,
if it's anti Semitic to say anything bad about Israel,
so well then God's the biggest anti Semite in existence
because he says some pretty horrible things about them.

Speaker 4 (01:42:32):
So it's pretty funny, dude.

Speaker 5 (01:42:34):
Yeah, you know, it makes a lot of sense when
you look at the videos of these Hasidic Jews over
there that are like spitting on people, and that they're
how they were raised is just disgusting how they act
towards anybody outside of their religion.

Speaker 4 (01:42:50):
So it makes sense that that the spirit is.

Speaker 1 (01:42:52):
Not with them, and it falls back into you know
how Christ said it, you know, like they don't know
what they're doing, you know, and and still today they
don't know what they're doing. But I pray God's grace
and his mercy is really stronger than all the conclusions
that we can make up. And there our little mushy
brains and all this and everything. Man, but ed wild brother,

(01:43:14):
I you know, I really appreciate you coming on it
and giving your time, and you know, I hope we
gave you the floor as respectfully as we could. Man,
And you know, this was a great conversation. And I
usually ask my guests, you know, if there's any last
message you want to share with the audience, But man, dude,
that last message that you did share was really great

(01:43:35):
and and you know people need to take something from that.
Golden nuggets are flying all over the place on this podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
But I'll say this, and because this is something that
that's been really on my heart the last few months.
I know we didn't have time to get into the
little season. That's that's fine because I want to do
it justice episode and I have I have a book
on it where I do a deep dive and a
lot of research and stuff there. Well, if you go
to Faith Byreason dot net, or it's also on the

(01:44:02):
paperback just came out on Amazon if you want to
go that route, or my Patreon you can find it
there either if free or discounted if you become a patron.
So we'll table that. But what's really been on my mind,
and I mentioned it earlier, is encouraging Christians to not
just read the Bible, to study it because there's so
much deception out there. Many of the questions that I

(01:44:23):
get about things like the Little Season about Messiah twenty thirty,
which is popular set of videos that have been out
for the last few years. Some people saying we're in
the tribulation right now, some people saying that Trump is
the Antichrist, and all these There's lots of stuff that
I get questions about all the time. And when I
asked them, Okay, well, how'd you come to this conclusion, Well,
they'll cite a verse here. Well, this verse says this,

(01:44:44):
And I said, that's what it says, But did you
study it? A lot of people are reading the Bible,
but they're not studying it because if you just read
the word, you can make words mean anything. I mean,
if you read the ob section of the passage where
it says the Lord God is my rock and my shield,
and then another verse says Jesus is living water. Well,
if you just use those words, you can say, well,

(01:45:06):
it says the Bible says God's rock and Jesus's water.
That's nature. So if you worship nature, we're worshiping God. Well, no,
because you're taking it out of context. But you can
take words and make them mean anything. But but if
you divorce them from context and doctrine. But when you
study the Bible, you don't just read the words. That's
the what, but you need the why and the how.

(01:45:27):
What is the context, who's speaking, who's being spoken to,
what's the language, what's the vernacular, what is the situation?
What is the culture? Because the Bible has not written
the twenty first century Americans, we can't superimpose our culture
on that. And then finally, what's the doctrine? How does
this tie into the big doctrines? Redemption, salvation, God's position

(01:45:47):
towards us, God's justice, God's righteousness. And if it doesn't
fit those things then you need then that's the wrong interpretation.
But if you take those words and you take them
in context and you tie them to doctrine, then that
limits it. The Bible can't just mean anything you wanted
to mean. It can only mean what it means through
the lens of the correct context and the correct doctrine.

(01:46:08):
And our responsibility is to learn what those doctrines are.
That's what I do with faith by reason. And I'll
end with this because people say, well, I don't have
time to do all that stuff. Yes, you make time
for what's important to you. You have time to watch
your favorite football team on Sunday for three hours. You
have time to watch your trashy TV. You make time
for what's important to you. And in our age, we

(01:46:30):
have no excuse. I mean, I'm pretty sure I'm older
than you guys. The Internet wasn't even a thing until
I was in college. Before that, I had to like
read books. I had to go through the library and
use an encyclopedia set if I wanted to study. But
right now you can go to a web, a free
website like Blueletterbible dot org, and it's an inner line
of your Bible. You can put in any verse you

(01:46:52):
can hit. You can click on the word and it
will tell you what the word means in the original language.
That would take hours for you to do before this
time you have. There is no excuse for not studying
and being fooled unless you just aren't interested. So if
you don't study the Bible, it's because you've decided it's
not important to you. But if it is important to you,

(01:47:14):
take the time to study it so that you aren't deceived.
That is my passion to make sure the Christians aren't deceived.

Speaker 1 (01:47:21):
Yeah, well, well said brother, and I mean absolutely true
every single bit of that. You know, even the Bible
calls us to be, you know, stewards of the Word
and to study and show ourselves approved and to really
get the full get the right perspective of a lot
of things. Man. But ed, thank you so much man

(01:47:41):
for coming onto the show real quick for the audience.
You know, where can they find all your content and
links and stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
Yeah, if you want to interact with me, go to
patreon dot com slash faith by Reason if you want
to get all my legacy material while it's still freaking
I'm actually gonna start putting some things behind a paywall.
But there's tons, just hundreds of hours of stuff at
faith Byreason dot net. There you can there's if you
don't know where to start, there's a button at the
top that says start here and you can go from there.

Speaker 1 (01:48:09):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
So the Patreon supports me, there's a donation area there.
I'm actually in the last stages of becoming a five
O one C three, So if you feel called to
to support me, you can. You be able to get
a text right up in maybe about a month or
so I want to do that, so yeah, yeah, and otherwise,
you know, I'm on YouTube. My entire Revelation series of

(01:48:29):
sixty episodes is on YouTube. I'm putting my Genesis series
up there as as as they become available, but they
will go my Patreon first. And I'm on x and
I'm on Instagram and Facebook and yeah, and Spreaker as well.
I've put I'm putting some of my old audio on spreaker.

Speaker 1 (01:48:45):
Nice, very well man speaker's words. And while you're there, yeah,
go drop him a follow or review, subscribe all the things.
Folks checks his check his stuff out, awesome content. Before
we get into the next segment, at Taylor's gonna pray
us out. He's the guy that really kind of slays
all these demons that try to take us down. But Taylor,
go ahead, pray us out. Brother.

Speaker 6 (01:49:05):
All right, Father God, I just give you thanks and
honor that we could have you know, our brother ed
On here just to tell us all about the wisdom
and then aledge that he has in his studies. And
I just pray that you continue to give us knowledge
and discernment and wisdom and don't let us be deceived
in these in this deceiving times that we're living in.

(01:49:26):
And uh, I just pleaded the one of Jesus Christ
over our watchers and over all of our families on here,
and I just pray you continue to guide all of us,
Father God.

Speaker 3 (01:49:34):
And the name of Jesus. Amen Amen man, Amen ed.

Speaker 1 (01:49:39):
I can't wait to get you back on man. We'll
work together in the future. But you know you have
a blessed night. Thank you again, brother, Thank you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:49:47):
Love being on here. I'll me do it again soon.

Speaker 1 (01:49:49):
Awesome for sure. All right, Biblical Hitman debrief ed Maby,
thank you for coming on the show. Brother, it was
a pleasure. And uh man, I just I love the podcast.
This is fun, you know, we get We talked about
a lot of heavy stuff, man revelations, heavy dog, I.

Speaker 3 (01:50:05):
Know, big stuff, big stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:50:08):
Jesse's like, I have ten thousand questions, so much questions.

Speaker 4 (01:50:12):
I'm in here trying to shut up the whole time, like,
just shut up.

Speaker 6 (01:50:15):
I know me too, do I'm like too much because
he's dropping gold nuggets everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:50:19):
And it's funny because I'm over here like, okay, I
see we're kind of getting a wild a little it's
back in wheel.

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
It back. You're a great host, bro, do you do
a great job.

Speaker 5 (01:50:29):
And I said this in the green room just now,
I'm like, really glad that we didn't get too off
the rails. I'm glad we didn't go into the little
season because the little season requires a whole a whole episode,
a whole episode, and we need to give that justice
to talk about. And hear ed Maybury out because he's on.

(01:50:49):
He does not believe in that, and that's that's, you know,
his deal. But I mean, if you got to say, though,
this guy is well researched. He's been in the game
since a child, and he is very passionate about it,
so you know, to give him some respect.

Speaker 1 (01:51:06):
You know, I'm looking forward to having these discussions. But
we'll just not only him too. You know, We're going
to get other people on. I'd really love to get
JT on, Like, we have to hear certain things that
are laid out on the table.

Speaker 4 (01:51:18):
And I jumped in on Instagram the other day and yeah,
he responded me. He was, Okay, what's up.

Speaker 2 (01:51:23):
God bless your brother.

Speaker 5 (01:51:24):
You know, he was talking about Israel and stuff like that.
So anyways, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I hope to get
him back on that.

Speaker 1 (01:51:30):
That's the second book that Ed has has, you know, written,
or that he has in his lineup. But you know,
we covered man, some crazy, the tribulation, the seals, the
Daniel prophecies, what we may see in the future, as
far as some sort of counterfeit Christianity man, and dude,

(01:51:52):
when I started talking about the Peter Theel thing, Dude,
I mean, look at it, and I see that there
is this someone's echoing. I have no idea hold on
all right, let's try that. I muted. I muted Tailor
and everything's fixed. Sorry. I hate muting him because he's
trying to like unmute his mic and MUTI control. Oh no,

(01:52:19):
all right, I unmuted him because I felt bad getting
into all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:52:24):
You know, with the technical technology, technology growing, and it's
it's moving at an exponential rate, we can only have
these kind of conclusions that the end times is coming.
But I also can see like another side of it
that some people have talked about pretending to like the
Little Season, as far as that what deception it's going
to play in the role of Gog and Magog and

(01:52:45):
all this stuff. I totally get it. But here at
the biblical hit man. Folks, we're going to have everyone
on and we're going to talk about these concepts, and
we're gonna have good discussions about it. Have an open
mind to a lot of these things, and give a
platform for people to give off their expression and their
ideas and their thoughts. Because there's things that we all

(01:53:08):
can't think everything, you know, so we need to share
it with each other. But that's what we do here
at this show. Folks, Ed Maybury, thank you again, brother.
Hope to work with you again soon in the future.
But folks, if you're still with us, we appreciate you,
We love you. You want to support the show, make
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