#60. MKUltra/Occult Connections, Cultural Marxism, Project Monarch, MKOFTEN w/ Austin Picard| The Underclass Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Biblical Hitman.
It's me Steven my two other co hosts, Jesse and Taylor.
Unfortunately not going to be with us tonight, but joining
us for the first time is Austin Wadecard. He's a
independent researcher, he's in the podcast community. He's someone who
also cannot stand being lied to by the mainstream media,
and he's the host of the Underclass podcasts. And Folks,

(00:38):
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(01:00):
Austin brother, welcome to the show Man.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Thank you so much for having me. Honestly, dude, I
appreciate you because when I met you at bro Grove,
just instantly you and the guys that I felt like
there was some sort of kinship. We one hundred percent
relate in certain ways. And that was what I felt
was so special about the event in general, was like
it was it was kind of it was kind of
like a sort of to me personally, I'm a little

(01:27):
bit more like I began my podcast The Underclass in
April of twenty twenty three, so it still sort of
feels like it's very much in its infancy. I'm at
the beginning of the road in a certain way. But
at the same time, like it also felt like all
this sort of you know, this everything we've been working

(01:49):
toward kind of culminated to this, this beautiful moment right
at Brohemian Grove, and we right, we were among dangerous retards,
entirely kind of insulated from the rest of society in
a certain moment that was just like a beautiful to
me and and I'll uh, I'll never forget it. I

(02:09):
was very grateful. And then just also I think it
was kind of like the manifestation of it all coming.
Oh my god, hold right on, what's I don't know
what is happening? Hold on, hold on, hold on, let
me let me. I don't know what my wife's doing.
It's not you, okay, somebody else is linking to my

(02:32):
Bluetooth speaker.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Wow, that is awesome.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
This is what happens when you have neighbors in Los
Angeles Times friend, Hey, dude, I'm telling you right, just
unplug it. Yeah, okay, thank you, dacome. Jeez, buddy, keep
your head on a swivel out here, my friend. Oh,
my bad, my bad.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
But what's gonna happen when we're all connected to AI? Dude?
People are just gonna pop in your thoughts. You're like, dude,
I'm telling you stop.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
I'm telling you right now, Dude. I read about how
they potentially can program you with subliminals, like utilizing EMF
during your sleep. And this is fascinating to me because, like,
if you consider the when I covered the James Holmes Rora,
Colorado shooting, right, I was now. I very much have

(03:20):
been very I've been extremely and extraordinarily interested in MK
Ultra from the very first moment I started the podcast, right,
I think my first episode was MK Ultra, and and
I think it's essentially due to the fact that we're
very much kind of in this environment where we've been
socially engineered into this this state of mind where it

(03:42):
does seem as if it's sort of like this, not
even one nation under mind control, it almost extends internationally
in scope in my mind to where we've been, you know,
manipulated just by these these strange sort of operatives who
have sophisticated these methods to such an extraordinary level over

(04:03):
generations that it's hard for people to kind of come
to grips because it almost feels like a science fiction novel,
you know, when you when you go into the details
and the descriptive nature of of what they have been
able to accomplish, right and just kind of fracturing the
mind and the psyche it. I mean, I was like

(04:23):
quoting the John Ronson right in the Psychopath Test when
I covered the psychopath Machine, which is a very crazy
story about essentially how operation mk Ultra's kind of the
Montreal experiments, which was the way that they essentially kind
of you know, provided this this aspect of there was

(04:48):
really like an avenue toward doctor Ewan Cameron attempting to
facilitate this sort of psychic driving technique, and he was
affiliated with the CIA's Montreal experiments in Canada, and so
it was really more of like mk Ultra being exported
to Canada in certain ways. Right, oh wow, and yeah,
the Oakridge facility was a primary location for this experimental

(05:13):
research that was being done by uh doctor doctor Barker.
I forget his first name at this point, but it's
been a while. But either way, it's very interesting once
you look into it, because it seems as if they
were attempting to create these sort of manufactured mercenaries, which
they were. What they realized was they could, yes, they

(05:36):
could sort of fracture the mind of the average individual
who wasn't already pre kind of like had these you know,
preordained you know, characteristics in certain ways that you know,
they possessed. That really kind of fell into the framework
of like sociopathic behavior, right to certain sense that you

(06:00):
could kind of like place them on the path and
psychologically manipulate them and lure them deceptively and to different
directions to where they would kind of like help spotlight
and then essentially kind of in a way they would
encourage this behavior within the psychopath. And this was very interesting,

(06:24):
but it turns out that what they viewed as as
a far more effective was to just isolate various psychopaths
who were already you know, showing these these blatant characteristics
of potentially let's just say, child rape, serial murder, various,
you know criminal, you know, just just right.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
And it's crazy too, like like when government is involved
in things like that, right exactly, and especially you know,
projects that are not disclosed publicly. The Senate doesn't know
about it, Congress doesn't know about it, the President don't
know about it unless he opens up the President's book,
right referring to the was it a movie, National Treasure
or whatever it is? Who knows if there is a

(07:09):
book like that. But with mk Ultra, just for the
audience that's not familiar with it, just kind of give
us a breakdown of mk Ultra.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Man. It's basically it's very interesting because mk Ultra had
so many different subprojects as well, and I've kind of
like been attempting to hone in on more of the
the let's say, like the trauma based mind control, which
was very specifically you know, I believe it was the

(07:39):
undertaking was very much under the direct subproject that was
Project Monarch. But still as far as just the origins
of mk Ultra, I mean, I believe it was Seymour
Hirsch who really helped expose a lot of this in
the early seventies, which a lot of this began to
come out, which which was exposed in the fact that

(07:59):
clearly there was this illegal domestic operation conducted by the
CIA and the intelligence agencies throughout the sixties, and this
was all in order to effectively gain control of the
human mind in various aspects to where they could figure
out how not only to utilize hypnotism, right and various

(08:23):
pharmaceutical you know methods as well to effectively sort of
create this This individual Manchurian candidate was one of the
programs that they were allegedly, you know, pursuing at the time,
which is very interesting. But a lot of this was
exposed in the seventies, although I will say as it
was being exposed this illegal CIA activity in like seventy five,

(08:48):
I believe seventy four was when The Times was writing
about it. But then the Pike Committee hearings were held
and the Church Committee hearings were held after that subsequently,
and they called it the Year of Intelligence I believe
was seventy five. And yeah, you essentially just discovered that

(09:09):
the CIA was was effectively utilizing these projects to manufacture
mercenaries and Manchurian candidates to commit targeted assassinations, you know,
various domestic operations. But also this went entirely international in
scope as well. I believe you can kind of witness

(09:29):
that in terms of the you know, the the sort
of avenues of the aftermath and the consequences of it all.
And Richard Helms himself, the head director of the CIA
during Watergate, in that major scandal, he essentially ordered the
destruction of thousands of files, which included many in regard

(09:50):
to MK ultra, and and it entirely, you know, in
my mind, it destroyed our capability and our our effective
win know and too actually being able to understand the
full scope of what they're intending to not only pursue,
but accomplish uh with these with these various covert domestic

(10:11):
operations and just intelligence operations to that effect. But when
you realize everyone who was effectively involved in mk ultra
and you had these sort of hypnotists and these scientists
like doctor Lewis, Jolly and West and individuals such as
that which which clearly you know has has insane connections
to Charles Manson, you know, Sir Hans, sirhan Jack Ruby,

(10:36):
you know tamer Land Saranayev even which is very interesting,
and and Patty Hurst right, which which people forget about.
And and I think mk Ultra is an extension of
of sort of not only were they attempting to socially
engineer the minds of the public, but they were at
this point in time, they were utilizing like mescaline, sodium pentathol.

(11:01):
And if you ever looked into Operation Midnight Climax, right,
and you see that they were dosing John's unbeknownst to them.
And many of them were like veterans at the time,
combat veterans riddled with PTSD and and were essentially kind
of caught up in these experiments through these brothels where
the CIA had these uh you know, they basically had

(11:23):
two way windows where where or one way windows what
is it where where you can only see from from
one side clearly and it's essentially you get you get
the point. And effectively what was happening were these these
prostitutes and drug addicts, and you know, with all in
then they would uh, I mean, as far as the
scope of Midnight Climax, they would dose the Johns, utilizing

(11:46):
the prostitutes, and then the prostitutes would leave the room
and they would kind of watch and see the behavior
of the Johns themselves, and kind of like it got
obviously far worse than this because they began to utilize
you know, sensory deprivation and scopolamine with the Devil's breath,

(12:08):
which is a very fascinating idea. Yeah, if you look
that up, there are thousands of cases that happen yearly
in in South America where apparently this is a as
far as like, criminal enterprises utilize this, and not only
a criminal enterprise, but even just some individual with with

(12:30):
bad intentions could could legitimately find themselves with scopolamine or
the Devil's breath in a powdered form. They could dose
your drink, or they could even just blow it in
your face. If you were to inhale it at a
certain level, it would actually you would become effectively mind controlled,
to the point to where you would have zero ability

(12:52):
to resist or reject any sort of notion or idea.
Like let's say we could take you to an ATM
and tell you to empty out your bank account, and
you would willingly do so in a voluntary manner and
have absolutely no memory of it, and so that in
itself I always found very interesting, and that comes up

(13:13):
fairly often obviously, but I will say a great example
of it is like Sirhan. Sirhan, you know, who was
allegedly the lone assassin who targeted RFK right, Robert F. Kennedy,
And in reality I believe that he was unfortunately a

(13:34):
victim of Ewan Cameron's psychic driving technique, right. And this
is fascinating because it was through the Montreal experiments from
nineteen fifty seven to sixty four where this behavioral modification
research where allegedly doctor Ewen Cameron's patients were at the
Allen Memorial Institute of McGill University for common medical problems

(13:57):
such as postpartum depression, anxiety disorders, and they were then
subjected to this driving technique and placed into drug induced
comas for weeks at a time. And there were reports
that were showing that these victims they even forgot their
parents and they believed that their interrogators were their parents.

(14:18):
So that is how fractured their minds had become at
that point. And sir Han's defense attorneys, Lawrence Teeter, was
one of the individuals. He claims that he still believes
that sir Han was operating under mkl trum mind control
techniques when he shot at RFK, and he says both
the prosecution and defense had trained hypnotists put Sir Haan

(14:41):
in a trance on the record during the trial and
his defense teams most this is so crazy because they
appealed not too long ago, and the appeal claims were
that Sir Haan was subjected to sophisticated hypno programming and
was not in control of his actions during the amitted crime.

(15:01):
So Sir Han obviously he's considered to be a candidate
at this point for the psychic driving technique, the system
of brainwashing that Ewan Cameron made famous, and he received
direct funding through mk Ultra Subproject sixty eight, which was
the outsourcing of mk ulture to Canada. So yeah, that's

(15:21):
exactly how the Montreal experiments was effectively carried out. And
when looking at the psychopath machine and what happened to
Steve Smith, which is so crazy, he was a victim
of Oakridge, that medical facility or institution for the criminally
insane basically at that time, which they closed the doors
like it's such a fascinating story, and and yeah, you

(15:43):
have like these these Peter Woodcock was a serial killer
who was who was you know, institutionalized there, and you
have other examples of these serial killers being institutionalized but
then being moved from the institution legitimately found in the

(16:04):
on the front lines, training with the IDF and then
fighting with the IDF on the front lines in Rhodesia,
which is fascinating. And then he returned to live on
a farm with doctor Barker, the same individual who was
running the experiments at the Oakwords facility. And so it almost, yes,
seemed as if, yeah, it's very strange, and this all

(16:25):
tied into this kind of like German death cult which
blew me away. And apparently, yes, yeah, I in no
way was was was expecting that.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
But of course, like the layers on top of layers, brother.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
I'm telling you right now, Well, it fascinated me. But
the whole point of what I was trying to say
before I went entirely off base. I'm sorry. I went
schizo after I got that Bluetooth.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
It's great, it's a good your show man, it's great.
People were like, what where do I find this guy?

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Brother? I'm telling you, at this point, I'm becoming far
more concerned of what they're capable of because if if
if they're if my neighbor can just link to my
bluetooth that easily, you know, who knows what they what
the actual authorities are capable of doing if you're targeted
at your own residence, which that was the point I
was trying to get to, honestly, Yeah, is that not

(17:18):
only was I had mentioned James Holmes right, because I
do think and and I feel as if you know,
it's it's it's it's something that I think people have
to understand is that, you know, many of these modern
mass shooting events that take place, I feel like there

(17:40):
are so many examples now where they inevitably function while
utilizing a specific playbook that seems to you know, consistently resurface.
And it's fascinating to me how often. And and this
is where I became. I became far more open to

(18:01):
the idea of mancharian candidates and things of that nature
when I was researching the Jonestown right, because I really
do think that Jonestown introduced me to an aspect of
MK ultra I was unaware of, which was that basically
after the Church Committee hearings in seventy five, when Richard

(18:23):
Helms ordered the destruction of those thousands of files pertaining
samk Ultra. Well, it seems as if mk Ultra never ended,
just as I believe Operation Mockingbird never ended. I mean,
this is the systematic you know what I view as

(18:45):
how you control the flow of information, and you clearly
have to utilize these fundamental assets in the mainstream media,
you know, to consistently run these sort of misdirected false
narratives in the minds of the public for public perception
purposes only. I mean, that's mainly what it's for, but
it also seems to kind of like, you know, pave

(19:08):
a path for for individuals to to sort of like
re engage and fall into these preordained outcomes in terms
of certain scandalous events that take place, whether it's just
the the the kind of like intention behind the what

(19:28):
what usually is the misdirection is sort of they facilitate
the cover up in more ways than one at every level.
And I view sort of the Mockingbird media assets very much,
you know, well positioned and well established to kind of
run those misdirected Uh. You know false narratives, and I

(19:48):
think you A great example of that is is during
the uh the Confessions of a DC Madam case, right
where where Craig Spence and Henry Vincent's sex trafficking operation.
It was really like basically he was running these male prostitutes,
right and it was all for Craig Spence, who's a

(20:09):
CIA operative and who inevitably was suicide allegedly committed suicide,
but was essentially the way it was described, given an
offer he couldn't refuse. Basically, you kill yourself or we
have to kill you now because you're over exposing the network.
We have to hang you out to dry. And I
feel like that happens so often. Epstein's a great example

(20:30):
of that in certain ways, I think. But the point
being is that mk Ultra was driven underground at that moment,
and honestly it was what Congressman Leo Ryan's aid William Holsinger,
I use this example all the time because I feel
like it was my introduction into this kind of underground

(20:51):
network of how they consistently utilize these sort of clandestine operations,
but through this kind of gladdy stay behind entrenched operation
internationally to where they can kind of like operate under
plausible deniability, private privatize. You know, it's it's very strange,
but I think it's it's again, this is the network,

(21:14):
this is the playbook. And so it's kind of an
international intelligence operation network in a certain way, right, that's
been kind of shielded from and definitely as far as
like shrouded in secrecy, there's there's no real you know,
it's it's definitely you have you have to do a
lot of digging before you kind of pierce through the

(21:37):
veil and and and pull back the curtain. And so
Leo Ryan, his aid William Holsinger, which Congressman le O'Ryan
was like a watchdog for the CIA. He was a
radical congressman at the time, and he was hunting down
leads UH regarding mk ulture facilities and these various institutions

(21:57):
that were being utilized. And during the major at least
he believed he was involved in Patty Hirst trial. He
was involved in in UH that investigation claiming she was
a victim of mind control. And and also he went
to the facility where Donald Cincy to Freeze was housed, right,

(22:20):
which happened to be the same exact mental institution and
federal facility in California that was essentially it housed Charles
Manson in the early fifties, and so it was also
known at this point it's been acknowledged that it was
a facility that was a part of the mk ulture

(22:42):
operations and experiments at the time. And so it's very
interesting because you have like all these strange overlapping connections
between who helped procure the land at Jonestown and Guyana
where the People's Temple and Jim Jones had the you
know what do they call it revolution? Very mass suicide allegedly, right, well,

(23:04):
it seems like that isn't quite the case, but but
but yeah, Congressman le o' ryan was seemingly he was
just showing up at Langley and requesting, you know, access
to documents, and he was he was He had even
gone under cover and gone to a prison facility and

(23:24):
legitimately attempted to see how they were treating their inmates
at the time. So he was a very strange congressman.
But he definitely was a thorn in the side of
the CIA at the time, and so it seemed as
if he was deliberately lured down to Jonestown in order
to kind of I believe it was a way to

(23:45):
execute him, and kind of again he was. It very
much seems as if, And according to his aide, William Holsinger,
who received a call that said your meal ticket, just
had his brains blown out before it ever went public,
that Congressman le o' ryan was murdered at Port Cayum
airstrip in right outside of the People's Temple Agricultural Project

(24:09):
in the remote jungles of Guyana.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Right.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
It's fascinating stuff. But William Holsinger gets this call, but
he claims that he fears the CIA might have been
running a covert operation at Jonestown that was so sinister
it would shock even CIA, even the most hardened CIA watchdogs.
And in nineteen eighty Holsinger claims that he had already

(24:35):
discovered the presence of a CIA covert operative named Richard
Dwyer at Jonestown and received a paper from a professor
at UC Berkeley that was called the Penal Colony. And
this paper detailed how the CIA's mind control program was
not stopped in seventy three, as the CIA had told Congress. Instead,
the paper reported it had merely been transferred out of

(24:58):
public hospitals and prisons into the more secure confines of
religious cults. Jonestown, according to William Holsinger, he believed was
one of those cults. So I think that that in
itself just provided me with a sort of new understanding
of what seemed to be a clandestine structure that was

(25:24):
very well in place and I was unaware of because
it seemed like it didn't stop with the People's Temple.
What happened just after the People's Temple in seventy eight, right,
you have effectively the Satanic panic. It very much comes

(25:46):
to fruition in the years after Jonestown because you have
all of these other occult organizations just propping up on
the landscape, and many of which are falling under this
sort of Satanic ritual abuse. Allegations that if you listen
to the victims and you dive deep into the detailed
connections involved in the cases, they seem to all connect

(26:09):
back to sort of this trauma based mind control affiliated
with military intelligence, which is fascinating to me because this
is in my mind, it proves this sort of state
sponsored hidden hand behind much of this abuse and these
networks of abuse, and I think unfortunately it's it's been
the way that they've facilitated you know, black market or

(26:30):
not black market, but basically these black budget funds for
let's say Iran Contra, these covert clandestine operations that they're
running to to essentially you know, manufacture crises all over
the globe and in many of which, of course, if
you if you follow the the scope of Iran Contra

(26:51):
and the threads of that scandal, I mean there were
they were supplying you know, Nation States with arms right
arms smuggling opportunities essentially through and that's Jeffrey Epstein was
a part of that embezzling money through you know, Iran Contra,
arms smuggling, and odd non Koshogi being one of those individuals,

(27:12):
which is very strange, but anyway, it's just fascinating stuff
to me. And I just think, you know, once you
understand that m k ltre never ended, then you're more
willing to kind of entertain the idea that obviously much
of these sort of false flags or mass casualty events

(27:38):
that are very convenient in the timing, in the pattern,
and what they facilitate. In the aftermath of the legislation,
that's passed as a sort of precedent setting notion utilizing
the scandalous or tragedy, right, which is very often the case.
I mean, the Vegas shootings, example of the bump stock band, right.

(28:02):
I mean, it's just it's ridiculous how they can utilize
events such as this, even Ruby Ridge, Waco on OKC.
I mean that all helped facilitate the legislative action that
led to the Patriot Act. I mean, and and when
you realize the dystopian totalitarian tiptoe that we seem to
be on, then it's kind of like you begin to

(28:27):
I think the naivete, the veil that that once you know,
kind of blurred your vision. And in witnessing the unfortunate
reality we face here in the current power paradigm as
it is structured, I've been saying for quite some time
now that I truly do believe the top currency in
DC for generations has been sexual blackmail and human compromise.

(28:51):
And I don't know how absolutely you know, you can
kind of be under any other impression at this moment,
you know, I mean, I mean, it's it's it's very unfortunate, honestly,
but there was something that you know, I discovered just recently,
and and I should I should actually finish the point
I was trying to make about about James Holmes, I

(29:12):
guess since I brought it up, But it was it
was basically that I discovered this individual by the name
of doctor Robert Duncan, and it kind of helped, It
helped kind of clear up certain ideas of what is
possible today in terms of the mind manipulators and we

(29:35):
write and their capability and and and it seems extraordinary
at this point. And this has led me into I
had mentioned Monarch earlier, but I had pulled something that
I thought you would find fascinating. But doctor Robert Duncan,
so he was this Harvard graduate and he's a He
as an author who wrote this book called Project Soul

(29:57):
Catcher Secrets of cyber and cyber Etics Revealed, And he
explained in twenty twelve that over the past ten years
he had personally interviewed more than six hundred and fifty
people who had claimed to have been under government mind control.
Many of them said they were in Manchurian Candidate ID program.

(30:20):
Free he went to the Senate Intelligence Committee and met
with twenty six senators as well as the head of
the LAFBI, and after he works with a consortium of
scientists on a research project for over eight years, he
provides the closest estimate he could reach that there are
about ten thousand Manchurian candidates in the works being programmed

(30:43):
by the CIA right now that can be used at
any time around the world. But he concluded by explaining
that only a small percentage actually become successful Manchurians, and
this allows the CIA to subvert certain international laws forbidding
the agency to engage age in the assassination of foreign
leaders through the strategy of indirection, or utilizing agency handlers

(31:07):
to indoctrinate individuals into these Manchean candidate programs self righteously
asserting plausible deniability after the fact. Now, according to this
individual doctor Robert Duncan, a lot of these alleged mass shooters,
such as James Holmes, fall into this Manchean candidate category.

(31:27):
He suggests one of the ultimate priorities is to predominantly
manufacture consent for landmark gun legislation, largely encouraging Americans to
disarm themselves through a combination of drugs, manipulative psychological techniques
and advanced cybernetics. They have achieved many of the goals

(31:48):
of the CIA's top secret program in human behavioral modification.
He explains that the modern day technology does not require
brain implants, although they do work well, but they seem
to rely much more on post hypnotic suggestion, which I
did find that fascinating as well. I think that's a

(32:09):
very important aspect of this because so very often, especially
in these in the sadistic child trafficking operations that utilize
these strange kind of trauma bonding mechanisms of the trauma
based mind control which fall under the monarch umbrella. Man
So many of them, right are are legitimately like it's

(32:32):
it's unfortunate, but but they are utilizing these these exact
same they have hypnotic like they basically have manuals on hypnotism, right,
hypnotism manuals that are found at their residence. Not only
was that in the case of Mark Deutroux right, where
he has all of these these books on mind control, hypnotism,

(32:56):
various things of that nature. And also so it was
David Ferry right who ran the Civil Air Patrol unit
that Lee Harvey Oswald was a part of as a child.
Who also was affiliated with that Civil Air Patrol in
Louisiana was Barry Seal, who became the pilot for covert
operations later on, flying in drugs for Pablo Escobar and

(33:20):
Mina Arkansas. Was caught with George W. George H. W.
Bush Senior's personal phone number on speed dial in his
pocket on his cell phone when he was executed. Yes, dude,
it's crazy. And Barry Seal was also in the Civil
Air Patrol as a young as a young teenager who
met Lee Harvey Oswald and worked for David Ferry who

(33:43):
was allegedly running Project Monarch through Tulane University. All right,
he was running a part of m k Ultra through
Tulane University at the time, which is very interesting to me, honestly,
when when you look at what he is alleged to
have done to Lee Harvey Oswald, it's so nuts, man,

(34:04):
I mean, they they they claimed that he potentially had
had hypnotized Lee Harvey Oswald and then uh and then
sexually abused him, right, which they said he had done
to multiple other members of the cadets in the CAP right,
the Civil Air Patrol and and Yeah, when you look
at at kind of what David Ferry was was affiliated with,

(34:27):
it is it is very sick to witness. But he
definitely looks very similar to that of Lieutenant Colonel Michael Lochino,
by the way, which is you know, that's that's an
insane story. As far as what Michael Loquino was up
to as as the lieutenant colonel and military intelligence, I
think he was a key operative who was also associated

(34:49):
and affiliated with running Project Monarch through Offwood Air Force
Base and various other you know, military bases. The Percity
on San Francisco was one of them. The West Point
scandal happened around the same time. But Michael lo Keino's
everywhere at this point. He's he's in the Pink Ballet

(35:09):
castles while he's going out and on his un diplomatic missions, right,
and he's effectively participating in these high society aristocratic parties
called pink ballets in these old Nazi German castles where
with these like strange occult parties that they called the
Pink Ballets, and they were affiliated with the Mark Detro

(35:31):
network and it was all rigged up with sexual blackmail
basically audio visual blackmail. Right, Oh wow, Yeah, fascinating stuff.
But he himself was named by Paul Banassi and Nooring
Gosh as far as that's concerned, which you know, obviously
Noring Gosh is is the mother of Johnny Gosh and

(35:53):
that's a fascinating story. As far as that case itself, well.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
I think I think there's so many connections to what
took place during World War Two. Obviously, I'm bringing up
you know, Operation paper Clip. We brought a bunch of
these scientists over to the United States. They were deeply
rooted in the Thule Society. There was a lot of
occult background with their practices, not only you know, with
with excelling their military, but they're also working on other

(36:19):
kinds of projects. And I don't think we're we've been
really disclosed to that kind of information just yet. Maybe
it'll come in the future, maybe it won't come at all.
But I can kind of draw these conclusions by seeing
the symbols, seeing the affiliates, knowing the people, right, And
I like to give like an illustration, at least a
visual illustration of the concept that we're talking about, and

(36:42):
I use movies to do it, you know, Born identity
Mancharian candidate with Denzel Washington and the movie Get Out.
There are these tactics that the occult is able to use,
and they're they're kind of behind a lot of projects.
You just have to, you know, weasele your way in
there and find the rabbit trail of that. But usually

(37:03):
it's there. It could be in different forms, you know, hypnotism, channeling,
you know, remote viewing. It's just so don't just hidden
knowledge and information right that that goes back thousands and
thousands of years ago when you really kind of do
the research and the just understanding the scope of it,

(37:24):
and there's a it's interesting. What what kind of makes
me think today what we're living in is we're living
in a modern MK ultra reality. And I say that
because I think that I don't think, but I know
that videos and audios were used in MK ultra programming.

(37:46):
And what do we have today? We have social media today,
we have six seconds. It went from vine right, vine
was what eight nine years ago? Maybe it took you know,
it took off right people the dopamine. You already know
that there was a psychological just something psychological behind short videos.
Now it's pretty much everything everyone's using it today, Everyone's

(38:07):
on it for hours and hours and hours during the week,
and who really knows how that's affecting the psyche at
a molecular level, at a at a chemical level, right,
because there's that's how our brain works. You know. I'm
a medic. I haven't I don't do a lot. I
don't have a lot of experience in the behavioral or
psych unit, but I have experience of running calls with

(38:29):
these people and running calls on these people, so I
know kind of what they're fighting. Again, they're fighting something
if it's either voices in their head or whatever. But
you know what caused that, and there's some sort of
trauma and breakdown like what you were saying, And you know,
we know the mk ULTU was working on that, breaking
down the mind to open up the consciousness. And who

(38:51):
knows if it's if it's either to I think it
has two. I think they found out two things that
they were able to do when they break the mind down.
It's and it's that they could gain control and manipulate
the mind, and that they could let things in per se.
You know, I'm a spiritual guy. I think the world

(39:11):
is more spiritual than we think. And really, if there's
entities and things that are out there and a part
of our reality. I just look at history and the
cultures that were here before us. They talk about all
these things, and it makes me think that are they
Are they? If they if they have deals with these things,
if they're working with these things, if the occult is

(39:32):
rooted in communication and trying to build relationship with these things.
It seems like these things also crave flesh for some reason.
If it's a disembodied thing, it obviously wants it wants
to explore and and live the pleasures that we have.

(39:54):
So I'm wondering if there's something with that, you know,
and and with us living in the modern day mk
ultra on TikTok social media. Everything's a short video clip.
It's right. How can I say that if someone is
broken and traumatized so much to the point, just from

(40:15):
the algorithms or whatever. Maybe the algorithm's targets to certain people.
Maybe it targeted Nicholas Cruz, right, Nicholas Cruz.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Is that was your right, buddy?

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Well, I got a story to tell you, because that's
the high school I went to. First of all, folks.
Nio Cruz is the Valentine's Day massacre shooter of the
Parkland High School called Marjorie Stoneman Douglas. I went there
for three years out of my four years of my
high school little career. Played baseball. There's a very high

(40:47):
end baseball school. My dad played professional baseball, so I
was only trying to follow in his footsteps, and I
decided to go to one of the best schools in
South Florida. What's interesting about this story and how he
has a connection with with my life, right, And I
don't even know the guy, but my dad worked at
a delinquent school, right, So delinquents are pretty much people

(41:11):
that either get detention so many times they get kicked
out of their school, or they get suspended so many
times that they get kicked out of their school. But
they have to still finish their ged, and they have
to if they don't have, you know, parents, to homeschool,
then this is the next opportunity that they can go
to to finish their education. And so Nicholas Cruz was

(41:31):
in my dad's class. Wow, So he's in my dad's
class right that the shooting took place in February, my
dad reported to the school after he didn't show up
for three weeks, right, So there's like a certain timeframe
that if the student doesn't show up to class anymore,
you need to report it because then they got to
go and do investigations and try and they like, where's

(41:52):
this kid because there's you know, they can be worried
about what is he trying to do? Because really the
kids are they're broken kids, right, they come from broken families.
Whatever they're they're they're not they're ethical and moral values
are not they're not up to the standard. Right. So
so my dad reports it to the school, says, hey, Nicholas,

(42:15):
you know hasn't been showing up to class, and there's
there's you know, this is a problem. So what do
you know? No one could he was off grid. Two
months later, Uh you know, he shot up the Parkland School.
And so the FBI went into my dad's class not
too much longer after that and retrieved all of his work,

(42:36):
his portfolio, his folders, his information, everything, And as my
dad was getting that stuff together with them, uh, he's
it's funny because it's he can see the things that
he's he's got and and my dad wasn't a nosy guy.
He's not going through people's work unless it's something he

(42:57):
has to grade. Right, But there was a pig sures
that this kid was that Nicholas was drawing, and it
was demonic, devilish and evil illustrations. And who knows what
was going on in his mind? You know, who knows
what was talking to him? And maybe who knows who
even knows if we're seeing something at a level to

(43:20):
where we're dealing with frequencies right all over all over
the place, right, I mean, I got I got five
lights around me. There's frequencies flying through this room like crazy.
But is there like a trigger point? Right? So what
I mean is is if you if you've seen the
movie Man Charring Candidate, there was always a trigger point.
It was something to to set the ritual or to

(43:42):
or to to detach the person's mind from their body. Uh,
and then they were able to be controlled. And that
could even that could be a light, it could be
a it could be a word, it could be a
click of something. It's a noise, a frequency, and so
who knows if we're dealing with those kind of things today.

(44:04):
I wanted to hear your thoughts, like, do you think
that with all. You know everything I said. Do you
think like I'm not? You know, my family doesn't think
I'm crazy, right, Like I think this is like real.
I think this is real.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Absolutely, I'm telling you like the story of Sirhan under hypnosis,
but everyone makes this strange connection to the woman in
the polka dot dress. Now there was a reason for this, right,
because that is exactly what has to happen when you're

(44:39):
under a hypnotic trance, when you're given your trigger mechanism. Right,
that's very much been set into your subconscious mind through
the the alter process, basically through setting up these alters
is what they call it, through this split personality d
ID dissociative identity disorder, and this is all effectively achieved
through the process that they've sophisticated. I believe sir Haan

(45:03):
was as I mentioned, through the process of psychic driving, which,
as I mentioned as well, where they could legitimately plant.
First of all, there were there were stories of some
of you and Cameron's victims legitimately like forgetting they lost
all of their adult personality and were legitimately brought back

(45:23):
down to they claimed under a five year old level
of Yeah, of actually social ability and skills and and
the way that they were able to And this is
a grown woman at the time, and so she had
to spend years of her life redeveloping an adult personality
because of how much she had been deliberately uh. You know,

(45:46):
it's very interesting because they can plant various age ages
to the identity of the altar that they that they
implant and in the subconscious mind when they fracture your brain.
It's very range all. Actually, this is the the interesting
uh source that I pulled for you. Legitimately, I'm so
happy you brought it up because it fits perfectly into

(46:09):
this this strange spiritual context to it all, where you know,
it's definitely as if this is supernatural at a certain level, right,
which in my mind, you know, plays perfectly in line
to the idea that that we'll we'll get into it
because it's very strange. But as far as Sirhan, I

(46:29):
believe that what happened with him personally, you had to
have a visual trigger, which was the Polka dottit dress.
Right then you had to have the scent of her perfume,
which was known at that time. So she was married
to a CIA operative. Yes, so you have to have
every single aspect of of of right your site. Yeah,

(46:51):
your sensory is is a sensory overload that triggers you
effectively and puts you into the altar and so uh
basic they had and she there's a sense of touch.
So she touches him behind the ear. She whispers something
in his in his ear right as he is triggered
and starts shooting what I believe to be a pistol

(47:12):
full of blanks, because he was actually the distractionary tactic
when than Eugene Sizar pulled the trigger point blank range,
directly behind rfk's You know, I believe it was his
right ear. Maybe it was his left ear, one of them.
I can't remember now, but but it makes much more
sense that this would have been the case. And so

(47:32):
and something was in the coffee, because all he could
remember was when, especially when the both the prosecution and
the defense put him under hypnosis during the trial. All
he could remember was he would say coffee, coffee, coffee,
right and then and then Yeah, it was very crazy.
He gets into He first writes, this is so strange,

(47:53):
sir hn Right. He had been very cooperative at the
beginning of the trial in sixty nine, but he claimed
to have absolutely no memory of anything that happened, and
so he had a genuine sense of amnesia that no
one at the time could seemingly understand. Right, They could
not make sense of this. And a professor by the
name of doctor Bernard Diamond, he's an expert in psychology,

(48:14):
and he decides that he's going to put sir Han
into a hypnotic trance in order to have him relive
the event under hypnosis.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
This is so.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Crazy because he walks him through this and it's very strange.
He basically tells him at one point, he's like he
essentially leads the witness under hypnosis. He's like, you're shooting him,
sir Han, not just talking about RFK Junior, right, Like
it's so crazy. But beyond that, you can actually watch

(48:44):
and listen to some of these these strange moments where
during the trial sir Han was under hypnosis. And so
this is a great example of that because apparently, well
he he first asked him, who was with you when
you shot him? Right, so already more establishing that he

(49:06):
had shot him. But that's that's anyway to say the
least that I think that's a miss misleading. But so
Sir Han wrote on a piece of paper while he's
under hypnosis being asked these questions girl, the girl, the girl,
And then his only other recollection was of being choked
by someone on a table in the pantry. And so

(49:27):
then Sir Han he can't like, he couldn't recall shooting Kennedy,
he couldn't remember even writing anything about wanting to kill him,
which he has a he has a journal that was
that was discovered and put made public during the trial
where he says RFK must die, RFK must die, r
f K must die. It looks like it's his programming

(49:48):
manual where he's legitimately yes, dude, Yeah, it's so crazy,
and it does it looks like he's practicing his programming
while he's potentially in a hypnotic trance. It does seem
to be the case where it's potential reinforcement. I'm not
sure psychologically, but either way, reading through it is strange
and so beyond that he's still in a trance, and

(50:13):
he starts to scribble on this piece of paper when
he's asked why he was doing this, right, he wrote, practice, practice, practice,
and then he says it two more times, and but
the professor says, practice for what mind control, mind control,
mind control, mind control?

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Sir Han crazy?

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Isn't it crazy? So Diamond he then he decides that, well,
he had multiple sessions with sir Han, and so he
used this technique that he called post hypnotic suggestion, which
if you remember what Robert Duncan just I had mentioned,
he had said, is that this was, you know, the

(50:58):
most effective way to to kind of trigger these these individuals.
And so this was allegedly to implant instructions in Sirhan's mind.
And so he's doing this as an expert in ps
psychology and hypnosis and criminology as well, and he's doing
this because he wants to see how how suggestible sir

(51:20):
Han is, which to him would effectively implicate and allude
to the idea that he had he had been severely
uh you know, put put into hypnotic at the very least,
he had been under hypnosis many different times in the
past if if he were to be as suggestible as
he was concerned was the case. And because apparently this, yeah,

(51:42):
it may, it would make sense that you've had prior
programming and so you would be far more open and
available to being triggered in that process. And so he
decides during this additional session that he's going to put
post in this post hypnotic suggestion. He's going to implant
these instructions, and so basically he says, you're asleep now,

(52:06):
and when you wake up, I'm going to take my
handkerchief out and you're going to feel that you're going
to climb around the bars of the cell like a monkey.
This apparently worked like a dream, because as soon as
Diamond took out his handkerchief, Sir Hans started climbing up
the bars of the cell all the way to the
ceiling and perched himself up there. Afterwards, he had no

(52:27):
memory of either being hypnotized or performing the monkey routine,
like that's to me. You find out later that this
man by the name of Jerry cape Hart he told
his son that he had worked for the CIA on
mind control experimentation in the sixties. He also happened to

(52:48):
be married at the time to a woman by the
name of Elaine Neil, who, according to her third husband,
on the anniversary of the assassination every year, she would
pull out a box on top of her cabinet and
wear an old white dress with black polka dots.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Isn't that crazy? Right?

Speaker 2 (53:09):
I mean that part that right there, to me suggests
that what they've been able to accomplish is is far
and the way that I described it in the episode,
far stranger than fiction, right, like at this point, like
the Manchurian Candidate, as you mentioned. Now, Originally it was

(53:31):
written by Richard Condon, right, and then adapted into film
directed by Frankenheimer, John Frankenheimer, which has like you know, uh,
Frank Frank Sinatra, right, all these men. It's an amazing film.
I played a part of it in one of my
I think it was my Omar Martine episode. Ah, now
I can't remember. It is one but one of the

(53:52):
recent episodes, which was about essentially about a programmed assassin
and basically, you know, it's just it's fascinating because there's
a scene where the individual is who has been programmed,
is put to the test and and effectively triggered to

(54:13):
to you know, murder and execute on the spot. One
of one of the yeah, one of the other members
of the experimentation program, right, and one of his fellow
you know, I forget what position that they held in
the military. But they were obviously members and affiliated, and

(54:37):
so they had known each other, right and and with
no emotional attachment whatsoever, right, completely robotic, just walk up,
under complete instruction and shoot your buddy who's smiling, who's
also under you know, some sort of hypnosis in a way,
and shoot him at point blank range in the face

(54:59):
and front of an entire audience of Yeah, of these
individual science It's like amazing stuff. But but so this
is crazy because John Frankenheimer, right, who adapted the film
originally in sixty two, Now consider that timing sixty two, Wow,
the killing of the King ritual and Dallas would take

(55:21):
place not very long after in sixty three, which is
fascinating to me. And and so what had happened was
that there's a story. Now obviously the plot is a
story of a covert communist plot to kill the president,
and Frankenheimer had originally sought out JFK's approval of the

(55:41):
film due to this heightened state of the political climate
in America at the time. Now he says that Jack
urged him to follow through the project and to just
disregard that and to follow through anyway, and so by
November twenty second, obviously he's assassinated, but the film it's
pulled out of circulation until eighty seven, twenty five years later.

(56:07):
The original film was basically pulled out of you know,
the as it was being circulated by the production companies
at the time. It was effectively just kind of like
memory hold in a way, which I thought was very
very interesting until it was remade, obviously, But what was

(56:28):
fascinating is that Peter Lavinda right, who wrote Sinister Forces,
he says that five years later, in sixty eight, Frankenheimer
would in fact be giving a dinner party for Robert Kennedy. Okay,
so attending this dinner party is Robert Kennedy, four of
his children, and his wife, as well as Sharon Tate

(56:52):
and Roman Polanski. And within twenty four hours of this
dinner at Frankenheimer's house, Bobby Kennedy be assassinated. Now Sir
Hans Sirhan was implicated as being at parties arranged by
the Processed Church, a satanic cult organization with intelligence ties

(57:17):
at the Tate residents, which to me is crazy considering
the level of ties that obviously Manson has now that
I was unaware of to the Processed Church and Brother
John Ranieri and these strange occurrences that happened. Yeah, it's
very interesting. But it turns out that Robert de Grimston

(57:37):
that was the founder, him and maryam McLean de Grimston,
who founded the Processed Church of the Final Judgment, personal
friends with l Ron Hubbard, members of the Church of
Scientology before they had done this.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Wow, I believe that I was like this mafia right
behind all these things.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Yep, one hundred percent agree, buddy. And I'm telling you that, like,
what I think to be the case is that it
was crazy because Manson himself was asked about Robert de Gremston, right,
And it's very fascinating because that he essentially was using
the same name as Robert de Grimston was at the time,

(58:20):
which is very strange. And getting into that is a
whole nother level of like because that comes up in
the Ultimate Evil, the Processed Church of the Final Judgment.
And I'm telling you right now that Moriytary book is
one of the most fascinating things that I've ever discovered,
and it sent me down this path of investigation, in

(58:42):
this sort of rabbit hole that I was very you know,
entirely it felt unexpected, but it also felt like it
removed the veil in a certain way and exposed the
true sort of structure of the network and how it
kind of functions, how they facilitate the cover ups as well.
But also it's like, you know, it's it's hard to

(59:04):
come to terms with, you know, how much the leadership
organically and authentically believed in the in the you know,
the theological doctrine in a way, the esoteric New Age
ideological doctrine they were imposing on the initiates, how much
they are organically and naturally believed in and practiced these
belief systems and core values, and how much they exploited

(59:28):
it at a certain level. For now, that's what I'm
always attempting. I don't know the answer to that, you
know what I mean. And I do definitely believe that
there's a legitimate group that practiced these things and are
devout in their belief system, you know, But considering the
Manson connections to the process, that's what blew me away.

(59:50):
Because Manson himself he was affiliated with the Renegade Oto Lodge,
which connects clearly to Jack Parsons l Ron Hubbard, the
same network we're discussing it moment, and and you know,
all of these you know, celebrity personalities were very much
in the mix, especially understanding the Laurel Canyon context to

(01:00:10):
it all and kind of like the birthplace of the
hippie movement. It was all a CIA psyop op. It
was an operation to effectively control and steer culture and
and also entirely undermine any real authentic anti war movement
naturally actually you know, occurring at the time. But but
it was far more than that. These are layered operations.

(01:00:31):
They're not only attempting to sort of control that aspect
of it. I believe it's it's it's much more of
like laying down this sort of I think it's it's
a sophisticated soul trap in order to kind of unfortunately
lead us into these embracing these new age esoteric values

(01:00:53):
that that plant us firmly into this inverted moral landscape
right to where we we don't have the ability anymore. Too.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
It's all part of demoralizing just society in general. I
think one of the biggest things right now that we're
seeing that that is demoralizing society is just for example, right,
like we're talking about mk ulture, we're talking about the
use of drugs. You know, Manson was using drugs, right,

(01:01:24):
that their drugs are a part of this. It plays
a role, and I think it plays a key role
because what do we see today? Right today, it seems
like society is just and it has been for years
and it's always been, but since we're talking about this
more and there's more podcasts right that are talking about this,

(01:01:44):
we're starting to see that, you know, we are the
testing grounds for a lot of things, right, the society,
that the masses are testing grounds for what they're trying
to do, what they're trying to accomplish, and you know
just how successful they can be at certain things. And
for example, you know, the decriminalization of drugs in our

(01:02:04):
day to day more states. And again I'm not against
every everything, right, but at the same time, what do
I know? What do I know, like the real pathophysiological
effects of of of the things that you know mix
with our biology, right, A lot of these things go
back to the terms of sorcery and pharmacia and all

(01:02:28):
this kind of stuff. And it seemed like the ancients
really kind of knew about these things a little bit
more than we do. Right. We just go to a
doctor and a doctor rips up off a little piece
of paper with terrible handwriting on it and says, hey,
go to Walgreens, go to CBS, and go take this right,
And we're just like, yes, yes, right. And I think
that's why it's important to you, right, because because we

(01:02:49):
talked about the Bible here on the show, and the
Bible talks about to be sober, and I'm really wondering,
you know, how sober do we really need to be?
Uh right, just just just so that we can hold
on to the agency of our consciousness, because we know
when we do take drugs and I've had, you know,
history of it, right, Like we've all come from an
interesting past, right, But that doesn't define who we are today.

(01:03:13):
It's just that you know that there's a detachment, right,
There's some there's some sort of pathy physiological effect with mind,
body and the soul, and there's something does take place there.
We can't put our finger on it, but we can
smell it in the air, you know what I'm trying
to say.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
I agree, I think that we have no real understanding
of the spiritual impact. Let alone, the physiological nature of
the sort of like opening up neurological pathways that we
might not quite understand, just in terms of changing our psychology.
I think there's a deliberate you know, we're talking as

(01:03:53):
far as I understanding. Now, this is what I think
is so fascinating about some you know, like for example, uh,
project Monarch, which I found to be like one of
the most fascinating aspects of this. But this is what
I think you would specifically appreciate, because honestly, it begins

(01:04:17):
by well, there's a there's a cabalistic mysticism aspect of
the satanic ritual nature of a lot of the the
uh uh, the splitting of the psyche and the alter
process for D I D right to create these alters
which they're effectively able to create hundreds of different altered
alternate personalities within the framework of the I D which

(01:04:38):
is fascinating in itself. But but what I found to
be you know, very up just kind of upsetting, is
that this came up in the context of of of
uh it was the X one dossier, right, the Belgian
X files, right in the deu Trol case. And it's

(01:05:00):
fascinating because Regina Loof herself. She unfortunately was the X
one victim in that case, and she was she had
to endure some of the most sinister and sadistic kind
of aspects and techniques of the trauma based mind control,
I think. And another aspect of it I think that

(01:05:21):
is fascinating is that you sort of have the connection
to the familials. Like there's basically many of the children
who are procuring other child victims are a part of
this like this sort of pedophile lineage. And it's something
I was unaware of until recently that many of these

(01:05:43):
very well established human especially child sex trafficking networks are
kind of littered with these with these very sinister individuals
who are are effectively exploiting their own children, you know,
and it's it's sick to I mean, this just happened
in a case that I just I just just came
across my radar in Alabama that legitimately just happened where

(01:06:08):
they're utilizing a storm shelter, and you know, at the
very I think seven now seven perpetrators have now been identified,
but it was at first only three and a fourth
was wasn't was mentioned but not named, and uh but
now it's looking as if they had legitimate police protection.
And uh and we're you know, statistically drugging children. And

(01:06:31):
guess what, a few of the children happened to be
their own obviously, and then they were were utilizing them
to procure others. But yeah, when when you when you
look into this sort of de tro dacier and and
you discovered this this insane reality in terms of of
the MPD D I D how they they kind of

(01:06:53):
implemented the altars. Regina Loof was the victim X one
and she says that many of her altars are alternative
personalities still had the same age as when they were created,
or how her handwriting differed depending on which alter was active.
Now it's terrible, man, she suffered extreme abuse right at

(01:07:15):
a very early age. And we're talking beast reality disgusting stuff. Man,
what the Deutroux network we're doing. We're talking aristocratic individuals
as well, like members of like the Black Baron Benoi
Dee Benvoisen. You know, he's one of the key perpetrators
who was one of the most sinister and sadistic in
the network. His proclivities, his sexual proclivities were disgusting. It

(01:07:39):
is something that you never want to even expose yourself
to because just as far as I've never in my
life gotten to a point where I had to viscerally
turn away from the screen because of my emotional reaction
to what I knew was coming in the next sentence,
you know, like it was like that, it was something

(01:07:59):
to where it was like, and I've had It's like
I've unfortunately, as as I mentioned on NDS the other day,
like we're talking and and I've unfortunately I've gazed in
the abyss for far too long at a certain level,
right and and and I I watched a film you
you brought up how like you kind of like to

(01:08:22):
to reinforce No. I think it's important though, Yeah, very important,
because this is why I think there is value to
introducing the just the concept to to the general public.
It's so important at certain levels because otherwise many people
are unwilling to even you know, concept, like at the

(01:08:43):
very lead, they're unwilling to entertain the idea as being
potentially a reality, right, and that alone, I think it
helps sort of at the very least, pave the way
for them to essentially remain a little more open minded
if they've been introduced to the concept through some film
that they respect and admire or something, or it could

(01:09:04):
have the reverse effect and potentially they could just conflate
it with the fictional narrative and claim, no, you're just
getting this, you know, based off of some you know,
which I have had people do that to me, which
is is I think the wrong way to interpret it.
But but for me, I had recently, I had I
had found the film called eight Millimeter, the Nicholas Cage Film,

(01:09:28):
and I think it came out in ninety nine, and man,
it's he's basically a private investigator who gets hired by
this very wealthy elite family who have you know, ties
to the levers of power in a certain way. And
basically his widow hires this private investigator who happens to

(01:09:48):
be Nicholas Cage right and his character to come and
and view privately, view an eight millimeter film strip that
was discovered in the private safe of this now dead
elitist older man who who had you know, convinced his
his wife was convinced she had loved him so much

(01:10:09):
that it looked as if she did and she respected him,
and so she was now I'm now, I don't want
to ruin the plot though, you know, because it might
not have been the the true nature of how it
was was first kind of staged and introduced to to
the audience. But at the same time, he then goes
and he he watches the eight millimeter film strip and

(01:10:31):
it's essentially a film strip of a snuff film taking place.
Right and now, at this time, I mean considered the
idea that snuff films are there. Definitely, they've been sort
of I think they've been conflated and in a sort

(01:10:52):
of an attempt to it's a manufactured misconception for for
and it's conveniently construct to just the same as the
satanic panic. In my mind as far as equating the
snuff films to an urban myth is if they don't exist,
I mean, people need to. It's it's an unfortunate uh
you know, uh sort of fact of life. But the

(01:11:14):
sinister enterprise and how it functions, people need to understand it.
Never it never ends with just human trafficking, right, I
mean we're talking organ harvesting, you know, Uh, targeted assassinations. Uh,
it's it's far of satanic ritual abuse, you know, it's
it's it's definitely. I think it's worse than you would

(01:11:35):
realize and want to acknowledge, you know, and and and
that's why I think it's been so easily compared to
an urban myth and and kind of dismissed at face value.
But this is an oversimplification, you know, and and and
a sort of constructed excuse, right and and that in
itself is a little bit frustrating for me, because it's

(01:11:56):
very clear and obvious that the enterprise itself doesn't just
end with child pornography. You know, they legitimately are utilizing
like for example, you know, in the Atlanta child murders.
This comes up because there's occult connotations to many of
the ritual murder scenes where it was very obvious that
the children themselves had been not only experimented on, but

(01:12:18):
then sadistically murdered in a snuff film, not only to
sort of facilitate and distribute for purposes of, you know,
financially profiting off of it. For this is again another
model of how they function in the network. They're using
child victims, older child victims to procure other child victims

(01:12:40):
in the network, and then individuals who were essentially holding
back drug profits from distributing the drugs throughout the enterprise
as well, which, yeah, it's very fascinating. But they were then,
you know, murdered in the context of this filmed ritualistic
style murder on Indian burial grounds. Yet it's fascinating. This

(01:13:05):
all happened in the Atlanta child murders case in seventy
nine to eighty one. But uh, but what I wanted
to actually tell you, and because I don't want to
get too crazy skitz, so we'll get into some of
it at a more detailed level. But but was this
insane spiritual connection to monarch and the mind control aspect

(01:13:26):
of sort of splitting these these personalities into into well
obviously not into two, but but uh, with with her,
with Regina loof herself, it was it was very sick
because you know, she was indoctrinated with the belief that
she was a nobody, right and so she she was
basically she had this her primary abuser with her her.

(01:13:49):
His name was Tony and he was friends of the grandparents.
The grandmother had had basically given this sadistic pedophile a
key to the house and he would come pick up
Regina loof anytime he wanted to abuse her, and they
acted as her pemps, and she was indoctrinated by Tony
to believe that no one cared about her, that she

(01:14:10):
was a little whore, was one of the altars that
they referred to her as, and she was too stupid
to become anything else than a prostitute, and that love
is something that you never get for free. She would
then be blamed for just about anything that happened to her,
to the other children and the network, to her pets

(01:14:31):
which would be ritualistically sacrificed or abused in the context
of the network itself. That just happened as well. In
that Alabama case. One of the individuals who was caught
up in it was engaging in animal sacrifice. I mean,
that's what it was, but with the context of the
detroil network, it was far worse than that. It was

(01:14:51):
bestiality and utilizing the animals to commit abuse on the children,
which was even it was so sickening. But yeah, I'm
telling you, man, Yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
I mean, this gets really dark, man. And not only
do I think there there is this satanic aspect behind
most of this stuff, I also think the locations of
where these events take place. I think there's there's even
resonating significance. But you know of the location, the geolocation
of these places, right, you know you mentioned Indian burial ground, right,

(01:15:27):
we know that. You know the Federal Reserve was signed
on Jekyl Island or the Rothschild's House or the Rockefeller House,
but that was buried. I mean that was built on
top of an ancient baby sacrificing a mount right, And
so like all these things, they have a connection with
these spiritual locations, let's just say. Right, And you know,

(01:15:51):
I think there is an aspect behind all this, behind
this mind control stuff. I think there is an end
goal with it. Have you have you ever read the
book The Black Awakening? So the Black Awakening, it's it's
written by Russ Disdar, but he passed away. But he
was a Christian guy. He talks about revelation and he

(01:16:14):
talks about he does a huge investigation pretty much in
a lot of Satanic cults. And so when he's interviewing
people throughout the book, you know which he's shown you
basically the whole transcript of all these things. And again
who knows if he's telling the truth or what. But
it's all very interesting. You know, they're talking about basically
a lot of the things that we're talking about. They're

(01:16:35):
talking about that in one day, there will be an
event that will take place that will trigger Satanic super
soldiers to be rogue in a way and start killing
off masses amount of people, right, And so this is
why it's called the Black Awakening. And so he ties

(01:16:58):
a lot of that stuff in with the Red Horse
of the Apocalypse, right, the red horse being you know,
war and death and all this kind of stuff, just
a lot of violence and chaos. And what's interesting with
all of that is I'm seeing more movies coming out
that are starting to show people having their consciousness taken

(01:17:23):
over or detached from their body and something else is
taking over in their place, and they're going out and
targeting to kill people. You can see this in zombie movies, right,
It's like the zombies are no longer conscious and they're
just going out and just trying to do what right,
spread their disease or whatever it is, but they're also

(01:17:45):
trying to kill you. Well, one movie that's coming out,
it hasn't come out yet, but it's called Weapons, and
this movie is about a school teacher. I don't know
if you've seen the trailer of it, but it's about
a school teacher and all of a sudden, her class
goes missing. All the children just from her class go missing. Right,
It's funny how children play into all this as well,

(01:18:08):
and so the parents. Right, there's a huge town hall
meeting that you know, the teachers brought basically onto the
stage and everyone is like, it looks like she's the
city council and everyone else is like, you know, we
need the yuh, it's right, but it's more like, where's
our kids? And she's like, I love these kids. I
don't know, I don't know. So anyways, the movie goes

(01:18:31):
on and you start to see that there's a spiritual
aspect behind this. You start to see that there's a
really dark, dark evil that is causing these things. And
as the movie's going through, you're seeing people. You're seeing
the sheriff in the town, you see the principal of
the school. Everyone is like, has the agency of their consciousness.

(01:18:52):
And then halfway through the trailer, those specific people that
the movie was showing you that they had agency over
their own conscious business, they became they got taken over
and their eyes start to bug out really really wide,
like they're just like sticking out of their head. They're
they're drooling black goo, and they're running like like like

(01:19:13):
they're they're they're doing a pose of a cross of
like a like they're running like they're an in across
and they're chasing people and they're they're there's trying, they're
they're spreading this black goo onto other people. And the
movie is called Weapons, So if you think of weapons,
it makes me think of the Black Awakening, that these

(01:19:34):
that this is a tactic for for what I mean,
it could be. It could it's a militant strategic tactic, right,
Like someone in the town is running in occult practice
and is is taking over people to target other people
to kill them. Absolutely, and it's like and it's like

(01:19:54):
they're the people that are getting targeted are the ones
who are investigating the whole thing the sheriff principle. I mean,
it's crazy, and so I don't know what are your
thoughts with I guess that concept, right, I'm sure the
audience gets what I'm saying and they're like, you know, ah, yeah,

(01:20:15):
I can see that in Revelation playing out. But it's like,
do you think at some point this is something that
can truly happen in our society. We're seeing mass shootings
on a small level right now, I would say, but
who knows if we're starting to see hordes of these things.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Yeah, I mean, you heard the number that Robert Duncan mentioned,
ten thousand up to ten thousand men trains at a
specific time. But I personally I agree. I think that
that essentially we are all vulnerable right to the techniques.
And this is another reason why I think that it's

(01:20:56):
very important to at least fundamentally introduce yourself to certain
aspects of what they've attempted to achieve, and we have
some sort of record of because I think that alone
might Obviously, I'm not saying that you can, you know,
manufacture some sort of legitimate defense mechanism that would actually
counteract anything other than maybe just your sort of spiritual

(01:21:21):
protection and you know, moral fiber based on your your
very well understood core values that you attempt to exercise.
You know, I think that's probably the best defense line
of defense that you can you can potentially have. But
at the same time, it's like, I think, what again,
this is fascinating. And I keep bringing up Project Monarch

(01:21:45):
because I think it is a window into this sort
of what they are capable of achieving and with the
manipulation of the human mind in itself. And I think
it's fascinating because it does become supernatural in what they
were able to sort of accomplish. And uh and and

(01:22:05):
this all seems like it in a way. It it
it revolves around this this sinister, demonic occult presence that
they consistently at the very least, it's it's always a factor.
And that's what I cannot I have I've had an

(01:22:26):
attempt to come to terms with that fact, right with
my own kind of ability to interpret why this this
continues to to resurface and come up. And so for me,
that's why it's so fascinating that that you have these
criminal occult organizations that are practicing satanic ritual abuse and

(01:22:46):
blood sacrifice, right that allegedly practice legitimate principles that they
they uphold and believe in at at a at a
crucial level. And and that alone, I think it requires
clearly it requires your attention. And to me, I always
try and dig further down and figure out what real

(01:23:10):
role the organization or this, you know, the the unfortunate
occult organization plays within the framework of the network, and
undeniably it's a crucial part that allows for the distribution
the trafficking right and in every at every level of
the enterprise as well. Not only is it, is it

(01:23:31):
the drug distribution which that came up with the Shirley
McGill criminal informant witness in the Atlanta child murders case
who her her boyfriend was legitimately involved in distributing drugs
for the network from Miami to Atlanta and to Houston.
On top of that, which to me draws in organized

(01:23:53):
crime holding hands with intelligence, because I think that's another way, right,
I truly do believe that we can point to that
in so many different ways as far as organized crime
syndicates upholding and facilitating these covert operations and targeted assassinations
on behalf of the intelligence apparatus. It happens so often.

(01:24:13):
I mean, even Howard Hughes, he was tasked, he was
given the task by Richard Nixon when he was VP
to effectively set up all of these domestic black sites
for plausible deniability right within the US to train up
these Cuban exiles in various covert operations. Now it became
far worse than that, because I think you had individuals

(01:24:35):
who were legitimately being trained on how to commit targeted
assassinations and cover them up by staging them as some
ritualistic styled murder or legitimately participating in a ritualistic murder.
And not only was it a sort of way to
misdirect the public perception, but it was also the intent

(01:24:56):
of actively pursuing the ritual itself, which is fascinating because again,
it's not only one thing being achieved in the sort
of the the context of of how you're supposed to
interpret this, but it yeah, it's it's it's something that
again this is just to me, it's another way that

(01:25:18):
they can kind of I think, drive the general public
away kicking and screaming at face value, because it's very
it's it's a difficult task, you know, to attempt to
objectively interpret and understand you know, the what is real
and what is not right, and and I think that
some people if you just can't make sense of it

(01:25:40):
and it seems too extraordinary to believe, then their minds
just turn off, right and as far as Project Monarch
that I found a source Ron Patten wrote Basically he
effectively wrote this, uh, this very interesting resource and peace
on on Project Monarch and and the brief history of

(01:26:02):
kind of the occult nature of how MK ultra even began,
how Nazi mind control was clearly evolved and utilized. And
obviously the Nazi draft happened through paper clip and clearly
I believe that they were already isolating individual scientists and
realizing after they had, you know, successfully interrogated them and

(01:26:22):
in a way to where they were trying to vet
them to see what they were capable of, if they
didn't quite already know what they accomplished, just to see
how useful they would be and vital to moving this
forward in the in the domestic US and elsewhere, because
that's another aspect of it, the rat lines post World
War Two. They didn't only extend to the US, which

(01:26:43):
clearly they did and effectively took over major industries in
many ways and at least became very prominent within the
framework of that. It was also sort of the if
you look at the Gladio network, the stay behind networks,
the strategy of tension, and you know, the destabilization as
far as domestic destabilization tactics use utilizing these sort of

(01:27:08):
like you know, uh, neo Nazi mercenary organizations. Very very interesting,
how how it kind of it's not only the neo Nazis.
It would it would you know, span the political spectrum obviously,
and so so clearly they would. And that's another thing
that I think people should realize is that on the

(01:27:28):
ideological spectrum of politics, like they're consistently attempting to target
each individual, like each individual wherever they land on the
the uh, you know, ideological influence of the political spectrum.
And I think that they're very well aware of the
sort of subgroups that exist, and they will will always

(01:27:50):
attempt to infiltrate and misdirect in in a sort of
modern mocking bird context of utilizing let's say, uh, you know,
just members of the alternative media landscape who are very
obviously controlled assets to a certain extent, even if they
maybe they're not fully aware and hyper aware of the

(01:28:13):
fact that they are, you know, being exploited and leveraged
in that way, or maybe they're entirely open to be
right and are sort of you know, sophisticated assets that
that are actively understanding their role. But at the same
time it's it's that's another thing. It's it's always like

(01:28:35):
something you have to kind of interpret for yourself in
a way. But at the same time, it's something that
people need to understand. Is a clear and obvious strategy
of deception.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
And I think that the mind manipulators, they are always
casting clouds of doubt, you know, and right, and and
that's why I think there is a very obvious, careful
and systematic assault being waged on the human psyche. Mean,
we're all in a certain way suffering from from social anxieties,

(01:29:07):
various things that we've we've kind of like you know,
allowed to take root in certain aspects of our psychology
and and to to where we just in terms of
our current environment, the digital footprint, you know, we're isolating
from the rest of the world in many ways. Then
where this is kind of unprecedented, you know, throughout our
generation and and uh and it's just something that I

(01:29:30):
think when you realize the impact. And I was just
reading about something called chat GPT psychosis and legitimately, I mean,
you have they're becoming possessed by a demon in a
certain way. Right, but it's insane, man, and only fans
models using AI chat bots.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
Well, look what's going up as well, dude, Like we're
seeing suicide rates go up. Man. And I really think,
I really think what's impacting these people is all the
things that we're talking about, right, this social this social engineering,
and how how we're living today. It's it's not what
we were built for. We can adapt to anything, right,

(01:30:09):
we're humans, baby, we have dominion over the earth. Right.
But but my thing is is, I don't think we're
supposed to be iPad kids and then growing up and
then getting a real job in the world. Right. And
and I see the young generations today, especially at work,
and how they act, how they think. Critical thinking skills

(01:30:30):
are lower, I Q seems to be lower. You know.
I've seen a guy open up ah, I've seen him
open up a biscuit can uh by cutting it with
a knife, And I was like, oh wow, that's new, dude.
You just have to peel the layer here and just
pop it open. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
I mean that's so funny.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
But so I wanted to ask you this question. Man.
Right in the community we're in we talk about this
term a lot this New World Order agenda, Right, how
do you think this plays in with all of that?

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
I think now obviously like the Tavistock Institute, the Frankfurt School,
where key institutions and facilitating the rise of the current
modern sort of structured system in the And of course
Yuriy Besmanov always comes to mind, right, the four stages
of ideological subversion he explained to G. Edward Griffin in

(01:31:30):
nineteen eighty four, which is just the perfect year to explain,
you know, the key the key points and how and
how they achieve such a thing which has completely taken
root in subverted society and for generations you know, and
many you like to. I mean, I used to point
to the long Marxist march through the institutions, but you know,

(01:31:53):
cultural Marxism definitely exists. I think it's a huge aspect
of why we've been sort of you know, uh, there's
been this sort of feminization in terms of of men
and and uh, I think that that is another aspect
of kind of like littering the landscape by by targeting
the psyche of of the female, and and clearly kind

(01:32:15):
of like upending the process to where obviously men play
this game naturally. It's it's a part of nature. But
at the same time, it's like you see where individuals
land in the framework and the structure of the game
and how it's played. And you have the beta males
who fall into the traps, right, who who are just
attempting to compete with the alpha males, and you have

(01:32:36):
this distorted version of reality taking taking shape, you know,
around us and really just kind of I couldn't imagine
being single and attempting to kind of navigate this current
landscape and environment. It's in terms of like attempting to
maintain any sort of healthy relationships, it would be I mean,

(01:32:56):
just to introduce yourself properly. It seems like I just
have buddies who are just telling me that, you know,
most things are are essentially it's all dating apps and
it's all just meeting up to hook up and not
much more than that, right, which when when you have
kind of a mentality that's beginning to take effect and

(01:33:18):
at the very least be conditioned two to kind of
engage in that way, right where you have these these
sort of you know, I used to I always admired
the hard to get woman. You know, I'm just being honest, right,
It's like, because you you know, as far as in
my mind, challenge absolutely and beyond that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
How do you right for sure better? How else do
you go home and go, oh man, how do I not?
How do I? How do I do? You know? How
could I get better? You know? And it's competition right
one body.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
And I think when when you're looking for what would
make a good mother and a wife and mother of
your children, you know, I think that's like something that
I always I always prioritized. I always thought I looked
for the principles, you know, because you know it's yeah,

(01:34:15):
it's just like something that is very obviously like you're
in a way, you're demeaning yourself. It's you know what
I mean. And it's like the disrespecting your own worth
and to be conditioned to embrace those values. It's sad
to witness, you know. And I was a part of
that at a younger age, although I always knew what

(01:34:38):
I wanted. It was just like, you know, when you're
partying and making a fool of yourself and making bad decisions,
which some people go down that path. Yeah, it's the
path of least resistance and This is something that I
think so many people they fall victim to. And I
think it's another aspect of on this inability to reflect

(01:35:02):
on on who you've become, on what you have to
offer on you know. And it's like so many people
they're running from that mirror of reflection, my friend. You know,
they're so scared to to actually expose themselves to what
they know is most wrong with right their their internal
character defects. That when you, when you you know, are

(01:35:26):
are sort of unwilling to acknowledge them and then reflect
an attempt to better yourself and become a better version
of of of who you are, then I think that
is kind of when you know, I I I kind
of entered a crazy end just as far as psycho

(01:35:47):
psychological state of mind in terms of I almost was
kind of counteracting this egocentric mindset that I allowed to
dictate some personal decisions I made as a younger person.
And and I almost over compensated to a certain extent
because I so desperately wanted to put that person behind me,
you know, And and so now in a way I

(01:36:08):
almost kind of like destroyed myself to build myself back
up in a certain way, right, which so to where
it's like internally, I think, you know, occasionally I'll suffer
from a crisis of confidence or something of that nature,
and I think it's just another aspect of but that's natural,

(01:36:29):
of course, But I think it's also an aspect of
kind of like again, being so critically aware of your shortcomings,
you know, I think it does allow you to become
a better person. It is the right path to be on.
I think it's the right way to kind of view
yourself and attempt to change for the better. But at

(01:36:50):
the same time, it's a little bit of a slippery
slope in terms of just like being sort of self defeating, right,
So it's like this balance that you have to play
with yourself, and that's very important, you know, I really
think it is. And but in terms of of like
just I saw that I only mentioned the chat GPT

(01:37:13):
psychosis because I found it so strange and interesting that
you have these sort of different dynamics and and gender
dynamics that are playing out in real time, and and
how much the environment is shifting in a very quick
like very quickly. But still the point I was attempting
to make about monarch and really how we are also

(01:37:36):
vulnerable to these methods. And I think that you would mentioned, like, obviously,
there's there's this sort of electrical current, there's a frequency
that that exists in the natural world, and and this
can be accessed and utilized and leveraged and exploited. People
don't understand that. I think that's that's I'm only now
beginning to kind of, I think, in a certain way

(01:38:01):
understand what has been accomplished at a certain level, which
again is extraordinary. But what this interesting source Ron patent
has to say on Project Monarch, I thought you would
love specifically because this, to me, it brought in the

(01:38:21):
spiritual context to it, all right, and that was He
begins by explaining the various avenues used to control human
behavior under MK Ultra, and he includes radiation, electroshock, psychology obviously,
psychiat psychiatry, sociology, anthropology, graphology, harassment substances, and paramilitary devices

(01:38:43):
and materials. Then he mentions LSD being the most widely
dispensed obviously. Now he talks about a special procedure just
designated MK Delta, which was established to govern the use
of MK ultra abroad. Then you had MK ultra Delta materials,
which were used for harassment, discrediting, or disabling purposes. Now,

(01:39:09):
and it's crazy because there are clearly one hundred and
forty nine sub projects I believe under the umbrella. I
had it pulled up because you had asked me earlier
just for like a brief description of mk Ultra itself,
you know. And obviously this all like arose in seventy

(01:39:29):
two out of the Watergate scandal when that was occurring,
and Richard Helms himself was at the position of CIA
director and Sidney Gottlieb was ordered to destroy all the
mk Ultra papers, and that was in January seventy three,
and the Technical Services staff shredded countless documents. Now, after

(01:39:50):
Seymour Hirsch exposed this in the New York Times article
front page in seventy four, that's when all these corrupt
investigations began, which were all obviously doomed from the start.
They were essentially acting in bad faith. And this was
all due to the CI's destruction of its files as well,
which was never acknowledged at the time, but records became available.

(01:40:14):
They were all very much redacted, which always happens to
be the case. And the Congressional testimony, everything was deliberately,
you know, either redacted or I think it was even
at certain points in time, it was deliberately sort of changed,
right the testimony itself, which I found fascinating. If it

(01:40:35):
was not done publicly and you had like a visual
evidence of it, then it's very obviously to me you
can't quite trust what was actually what was conducted in
the hearing itself. But yeah, so you know, you had
fewer Allegedly, there were fewer than six agency brass who

(01:40:55):
were involved and aware of mk Ultra during its entire
twenty plus year history. This is what they claim, which
is obviously very compartmentalized if it's true. But the project
so highly classified that John McCone himself successor to Alan
Dolls as CIA director, was appointed in sixty one and
was never allegedly informed of the existence of the project

(01:41:17):
until two years after his appointment. So the Justice Department
in seventy six they investigated Sidney Gottlieb's destruction of the
mc ulture files, but The New York Times said the
investigation was just quietly dropped, and then Gottlieb was called
to testify before the Senate in seventy seven and he
would only do so if he received criminal immunity, which

(01:41:39):
he definitely received. And none of this would lead to
any federal investigation into one hundred and eighty five researchers,
the eighty institutions or forty four colleges and universities that
were implicated, and the only documents that hadn't been destroyed. Right, So, obviously,
the CIA, they maintained to this day that all MK

(01:42:01):
ultra experiments were abandoned. Many others believe, obviously that due
to the public disclosure, the agency was forced underground into
black budget funding operations in order to continue the research unabated.
And that proves out because I'm telling you the Franklin
network ties directly into Iran Contra because you had Lawrence E.

(01:42:24):
King who was running the Franklin Credit Union in Omaha, Nebraska.
He was legitimately, you know, facilitating black bag funds for
at least he was providing funds to Michael Akino which
were deliberately apparently financing Iran Contra directly at the time.
And now that ties in everything that ties in the

(01:42:47):
Finder's Cult, because I believe the Finder's Cult basically you
had members of the Franklin network where they were procuring
victims through this overall overarching pedophile establishment that was essentially
this window into the pedophile politically connected underworld. And it's
fascinating stuff. And it draws in all of these cases,

(01:43:10):
the Atlanta child murders case as well, which there's an
Iran contrac connection to the Atlanta child murders case, which
is fascinating. Through Hartsfield International Airport or not air Force
but HARTSFORLD Hartsfield International Airport, they were legitimately the CIA
was was conducting you know these these uh, these covert operations,
which is fascinating stuff, right, but but wow, But anyway,

(01:43:34):
so I just wanted to.

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
I had I had a question. Do you think that
so we understand there's a spiritual aspect behind all this,
do you think there's a uh, there's technology out there? Uh.
What I'm kind of getting to is like from the
movie Venturing Candidate, Right, Denzel Washington, when he knew something
was kind of going on, he when he knew he

(01:43:55):
wasn't in control of himself entirely, he started researching, He
started investigating, and at one point he he just ripped
something out of his back of his head or something
right or somewhere he he ripped out a piece of
technology that was that was that intermediary, right, and he
found it and and he was able to kind of

(01:44:19):
you know, he knew he had dominion over himself. Do
you think there's technology out there that that can do this?

Speaker 2 (01:44:26):
Yeah? I think that Tim mcvay's dental implants are very
strange and people need to research the reality. Yeah, one
hundred percent. So uh, doctor jolly On Clean, damn it,
Doctor jolly On West. Jolly On Cleebold was the homie
that was our video editor for a time. But anyway,
jolly On West, Uh, he he goes and and you

(01:44:50):
know has has private interactions with with Tim McVay, right,
and and this consistently occurs in terms of his MK
Ultra candidates that I believe were potentially manchurians, and at
the very least McVeigh himself was conducting covert domestic operations,
you know, running drugs, I believe you have clearly. I

(01:45:12):
think domestic bombings were a part of that, obviously, but
it was worse than that. I mean, there's another reason.
Why why would he show up at Waco passing out
flyers and pamphlets. You know, it's like two orchestrated it's
almost you know, you could you could look at it
as theater in a way of of the psyop right,

(01:45:32):
and it truly seems to be. But what what As
far as yeah, that that's a fascinating Tim McVay is
one of the craziest stories, honestly that you could look into,
because he always tends to Uh, as far as I'll
never forget the what was it the his the individual prisoner,

(01:45:54):
I always forget his name, dammit. But he spent time
with McVeigh while he was on death row, the death
row inmate, and and basically he was he was he
was honestly. What he claimed was that Tim McVeigh told
him that, and he would vacillate on this issue from
time to time allegedly. But this is David Paul Hammer,
that's the guy's name. And UH and by the way,

(01:46:15):
Tim McVeigh, he uh, I believe he was a sheep
dipped operative right who was a part of an illegal,
UH covert domestic operation carried out the bombing on behalf
of the government. And and UH, while he's on death row,
he's officially requesting to not have an autopsy performed on
his own body after his execution, and these autopsies are

(01:46:37):
are obviously typical, uh, it's standard procedure as far as
after federal executions. But his request would be granted. And
this is all like he's attempting to keep his own
biological father from being able to have his son's body
go through the typical standard autopsy and and provide him

(01:46:59):
with a cause of death and as far as I
confirm it. And so according to this death row inmate,
David Paul Hammer, he says that apparently he was even
questioning and he says we all should question the reality
of mcveigh's execution because he said that McVeigh would say
that he was not going to be executed because an

(01:47:22):
individual known as the Major was going to have someone
infiltrate the execution team, that he would be given drugs
that would feign the appearance of death, and he says
the CIA and other people use these drugs and that
they would be taken out and he would be given
some kind of medication that would counteract the other that
he would be rewarded for serving his country. Now, it

(01:47:44):
does sound a little far fetched, obviously, because I think
this could potentially be a way that Jolly West could
come in and let's just say post hypnotic suggestion. Through
that potential technique he could he could successfully implant the
idea and the instructions in the mind of McVeigh that

(01:48:04):
he would legitimately believe that he would be given these
counteracting drugs post execution and be you know, sort of
saved at the end of of of it all by
his by his handlers from the intelligence agencies. And this
was his reward for you know, being willing to carry
out these these uh, these obviously highly secretive domestic operations

(01:48:29):
at the time, which which were obviously what they were
attempting to do through the sheep dipped process. And that's
a crazy part as far as if you if you yeah,
I know, she sheep dipped is a crazy concept in general,
right because obviously they say and it was I think
l Fletcher Proudy, right, who plays was it plays what

(01:48:53):
was the name of the character? And in Oswald or
Oswald and Oliver Stone's JFK film something X, the ex character.

Speaker 1 (01:49:02):
Oh, I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:49:07):
He does that monologue still great though, like where where
he's just effectively describing to you know, who was supposed
to be. You know, obviously it was supposed to be
Jim Garrison. What was it, Kevin? Why am I forgetting
Kevin Kevin the what was the name of the the
actor that played Kevin Garrison? Yeah, Kevin Costler, thank you.

(01:49:31):
And he's explaining to Kevin Costner Jim Garrison exactly how
the CIA would conduct one. One, how they would first
of all, engage in providing security for an event such
as the JFK event in Dallas. Two, How there's no
way the security team would have signed off on this
whatsoever because of all the red flags involved in the

(01:49:54):
hairpin turn right, and the I forget the degree of
the angle of the turn where they would have to
slow down, you know, the vehicle with the open top
at a certain you know, basically almost less than ten
miles per hour to where it would be the perfect
moment where the triangulated fire from the kill squads that
were set up, now they were set up all throughout Dallas.
One was that you know, it's so crazy because I

(01:50:16):
think what people don't understand is that there was even
a hit squad set up at the airport allegedly and
so JFK wasn't supposed to leave Dallas that day, and
they had already had prior plots in Chicago and Miami
that were foiled, right, And people don't realize they had
Patsy set up for those as well. Not all of
them were going to be Lee Harvey Oswald. He just
so happened to be the Dallas Patsy. And that's something

(01:50:38):
that's very strange itself, because yeah, it's fascinating. But again,
I think that the triangulated fire there was was it
was clearly the you had at least two hit teams
that were effectively, you know, taking out JFK at that
moment at the same time where the triangulated the fire

(01:51:01):
to where it would hit at this these odd angles
to where that is why you have this strange like
up and back like he does. Uh you know what
did they what did the famous back into the left?
Isn't that they would say all the time right right?
Which was just like dude, if you watched the and
then the frame missing obviously from the Zuppruter film, which

(01:51:22):
you know, who was the individual who provided you know,
the uh, the uh uh the resource that it was
effectively Oswald right, who who he provided the Oswald story.
This is so crazy. In nineteen sixty three, Hal Hendrix
happened to be a Mockingbird, an Operation Mockingbird operative. He

(01:51:43):
provided the Oswald story just hours after the assassination to
the publications that then ran. Yeah, dude, it just to me,
it never ends. But but yeah, when you know I
could get.

Speaker 1 (01:51:56):
It, like Mockingbirds, the CIA affiliation with American media exactly propaganda.

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
You say, it's just it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:52:06):
It's funny. How many ties to you know that the
creator of Netflix and even other bigger platforms out there,
and when you really look at everything's all densed under Disney,
uh and other you know, corporations and stuff. The JFK
thing blows me away. Dude, that blew me away right
there a little bit because there's so many jimk Ultra

(01:52:27):
connection as well with that, right, because that Jack Ruby, right, Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:52:32):
Yeah, oh my god, that's the craziest story I ever met.

Speaker 1 (01:52:35):
That is Who was the guy on j R. E
that was talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
That, Oh yeah, that was yeah, that was Tom O'Neill
from the author of Chaos.

Speaker 1 (01:52:47):
Yeah, sold that a little bit unfold kind of Ruby and.

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
Oh my god, so Jack Ruby is just such a
crazy story. And and by the way, he he rented
an apartment from a sadistic pedophile named John David Norman
who was running the Odyssey network that became the Delta
Project after he was exposed and sent to prison. We'll

(01:53:14):
get into that in a moment, because he's the individual
who rented the apartment to Jack Ruby and Dallas. Now
Jack Ruby has yes, Jack Ruby has direct connections to
obviously the organized crime syndicate, the mob in not only
Dallas but Chicago, and so you have again, I think
this is where you have this sort of strange intersection

(01:53:37):
where you meet this sort of It's very interesting because
I do think that obviously, when it comes down to
organized crime and how they effectively operate, I think there's
a firm you know, intersection in terms of how they utilize,
how they're utilized by the intelligence apparatus, but also they're
consistently kind of they're benefiting from this covert, structured frameworking.

(01:54:02):
And so it was so after Ruby shot Oswald, there
were a group of reporters who went to Ruby's apartment
and just rummaged through his things, and a significant number
of those people later happened to die under very mysterious circumstances.
And Oswald was supposed to be transferred at ten in

(01:54:23):
the morning, but he still hadn't left by eleven thirty.
The police didn't transfer him until Ruby was in position,
and Ruby was dragging his heels because he was trying
to get out of it. Apparently, so Ruby was the
mob's guy on the scene. He was the fixer. Allegedly
he knew half the police department, the district attorney because
they all went to his club and got free drinks.

(01:54:45):
And it's crazier than that because it comes up in Watergate.
Actually the Watergate episode that I did, it comes up
in the form of Heidie Reichen and she was affiliated
with So Heidie Reichen and the White House call Girl,
right is is basically she was running this crazy uh uh.

(01:55:08):
What it was called is basically the Columbia Plaza operation.
It was the Columbia Plaza apartments that was that was
just down the street from the Watergate facility, from and
uh from the Watergate complex, and they were running these
these uh you know, obviously these prostitutes into various diplomats
and individual politicians and and uh and and effectively kind

(01:55:32):
of providing them with a private line in the Watergate
to order these prostitutes. Okay, And it was very interesting
because she was connected back. She had just come from
Dallas back to d C whenever all this, whenever Watergate occurred.
So she was in Dallas during the JFK assassination and

(01:55:56):
she has links there as well. She's running an operation
for UH for this mob figure, right, Joe Nesline, and
he has direct connections to the mob in d C.
And their direct affiliation with the Washington DC Metropolitan Police Department,
who has nothing but military intelligence, dual loyalty ties and

(01:56:18):
they had like a deviant sex department at the time
when all this was happening. It gets real crazy, yeah,
they it gets very interesting. But anyway, the point being
is that Heidi has connections to JFK, and I wanted
to mention this really quickly because it was She had
a number of interactions with figures linked to the assassination,

(01:56:41):
including Texas businessman Clint Merchison Junior, the principal owner of
the Dallas Cowboys and son of Clint Merchison Senior, the
Texas oil baron Joe Campci, the owner of Compeci's Egyptian
restaurant in Dallas, who reportedly hosted Jack Ruby, Lee Harvey Oswald,
Dallas cop JD. Tippett, who happens to be the cop

(01:57:03):
they said Oswald killed that day before he before he's
discovered at the theater, which is so nuts and others
were also president at this dinner in November twenty first,
nineteen sixty three. So this was all being hosted while
Merchston Senior, the father was hosting a party for j

(01:57:24):
Edgar Hoover, Richard Nixon, H L. Hunt, fort Worth millionaire
Sid Richardson, and Vice President Lyndon Johnson. And Heidi's Black Book,
which seemed very much like you know, Glaine Maxwell's Black
Book that the connects directly to Epstein Networks. You know,
it included the phone numbers for Fred Black lbj's neighbor

(01:57:44):
and close friend of Bobby Baker, and Morris Jaffey, lbj's
financial advisor. And so it's just like to me, when
you have Heidi Reichen, who is running a call girl
operation under the protection of organized crime, being told that
she's being protected by the CIA while they're operating a

(01:58:08):
call girl service through contacts in the Watergate complex during
the Watergate break in like connects back. Oh yeah, it's
fascinating stuff. And it seems as if it wasn't just
an escort service, it was far worse than that. And
she has ties to like paper Clip itself, which is
very interesting. Heidie Reichen runs this escort service after leaving

(01:58:30):
the army as an ex stripper who was the Mob's
girl from about nineteen sixty to when she was around
like twenty years old, and after realizing she wasn't the
best dancer apparently the Mob, they put her to work
at meeting prominent NFL football players to help facilitate their
interest in sports betting, as well as carrying money for

(01:58:53):
the Mob all over the country and at times even
to Europe to make deposits in Switzerland. She had an
FBI file and it revealed that the bureau's interest in
her trips to Switzerland as a sort of cash you know,
mistress in a way, right. And so Joe Neslin, he

(01:59:14):
was this notorious Mob figure with interests all over the world,
including DC and his wife happened to be best friends
with Heidie Reichen, and all three of them where known
to have made many of these trips to Switzerland together,
so it gets very strange. But that's a whole nother
story because they're clearly, you know, sexually blackmailing individuals who

(01:59:35):
are directly connected to prominent establishment figures at the time
in the government. And so that in itself it's like,
I mean, come on now, especially when you consider Itam
Maxie Well's desk is the desk that they had set
up the Call Girl operation through, and that was the
desk that had been strategically broken into by the Watergate
burglars who win caught. I forget a Verhilia Oh forget,

(02:00:00):
I forget which one it was. I wasn't Verhilio Gonzales.
I think it was Mark Martinez. I'm trying to remember
now the individual Watergate burglar who was basically a Cuban exile, right,
who was who was who basically swore allegiance to Howard
Hunt and at a certain level, and that was all

(02:00:21):
because of Operation forty and their connections back to the
CIA kind of attempting to overthrow and assassinate Castro. And
so you had like these individuals who were legitimately loyal
to CIA operatives and believed, you know, kind of looked
at them as their protectors in ways, but also knew
how the game worked. And one of them explained how
not only did they break into the Watergate like three

(02:00:43):
different times, one of the times they broke in, he
and Howard Hunt hid in a closet for like the
entire night, like well over six hours, where Howard Hunt
and because there was an event that took place and
they got stuck and had no ability to to leave
without blowing their cover. It's very interesting. And this is

(02:01:04):
just before they were entirely exposed, not long after it
was the next break in. But but yeah, the story goes,
He's like hiding in a in a closet with Howard Hunt,
who's mixing bourbon whiskey with his milk because he has
stomach ulcers from being an alcoholic. But Howard's like the

(02:01:24):
craziest story ever.

Speaker 1 (02:01:26):
That's hilarious, smart.

Speaker 2 (02:01:27):
I know, but seriously, it's crazy, man?

Speaker 1 (02:01:31):
Is it is crazy? Man? I wanted to ask you,
what do you what are your thoughts with with the
Epstein list and everything that's going on?

Speaker 2 (02:01:39):
Man?

Speaker 1 (02:01:40):
Yeah, or we could just save that for a totally
different show. I mean, I'm totally or because because we're
getting to We're at two hours, man, We're two hours in.

Speaker 2 (02:01:50):
And I'm open to doing a part too, honestly, because
uh yeah, I think honestly, I had a much different
idea of what I was going to prison today, and
and like, I think it was going to be a
much more seamless for the audience. It would it would
have been more palatable, I think, But in me personally,
I go a little skitz so at times, and and

(02:02:11):
I will remember things in the moment, and and and
uh and so I I think we just have so
much more to discuss in terms of a lot of
of these cases, and we can kind of hone in
a little bit more directly with like, let's just say
a handful that that seemed to reinforce this sort of
just the current Obviously, if we're looking at in terms

(02:02:34):
of the context of just trying to interpret the Epstein
network as it is structured, you know, I honestly believe
that Epstein has direct ties to the Finder's Cult, which
is very strange. As far as the CIA cut out,
the Air America was was essentially the CIA company that

(02:02:54):
was just a CIA construct from its foundation, and the
legitimately you have the Finder's cult utilizing this this this
uh this airline right, this private CIA cut out airline
while they're trafficking children, and then it's it's legitimately handed
off to Jeffrey Epstein and Wexner who are also utilizing

(02:03:19):
the very same airline and they just rebrand the airline.
It's fascinating stuff. But but Wexner himself, I think he
and and there's so much more to the Epstein network.
I mean, obviously you have I think Peter Nigard is
very interesting in terms of being labeled as the Canada's Epstein.
But if you consider, like, for example, it was Julie

(02:03:41):
Juliette Bryant or I think it was Juliette Bryant. Maybe
it's Julianne Bryant. I can't remember her name now, but
she's an Epstein victim. And if you consider the claims
that she made about what happened to her at Zoro Ranch,
and then what essentially you know, the sort of I mean,
it's fascinating what what Peter Niguard has even admitted on camera,

(02:04:04):
you know, what he's he was pursuing in terms of
these sort of like biotech companies that he was funding
that also seemed to overlap with the exact same Epstein
himself was happened to be funding some of the very
biotech companies that Peter Niguard was involved with. And Peter
Nigard himself has a private island where all these these

(02:04:26):
women were going missing and these young children as well,
which is very strange. But one of Epstein's victims who
spent time at the Zoral Ranch, it was trafficked there
at the property. She woke up one day, paralyzed one
night and naked on an operating table in the middle
of the night while at Zorol Ranch. Now all of them,

(02:04:50):
according to her, seemed to have as far as all
the victims that experienced this, they seem to have this
blue butterfly that was essentially branded on them. And and
now she says that essentially the claims have been made,
and she's alleging that this is all connected to Lilith,
the first wife of Adam, and how harvesting eggs is

(02:05:14):
allegedly a priority within Epstein's theory of eugenics. And so
she woke up and she said that this obviously Zorol
Ranch was not far from the Dulce base, the military base, right,
which I think is very notable. But she claims that
she woke up and she had her eggs removed, right,
and that was when she woke up on this operating

(02:05:37):
table at Zorol Ranch.

Speaker 1 (02:05:38):
She see a lot of that, a lot of there's
I'm just sorry I got to cut you off, but
there's so many connections. Which is the alien abduction phenomenon
and the same exact thing that you're talking about right
where there's extraction of of you know, fertilization and organs
and you know, you know, male female both of that stuff,
and this kind of plays into the Genesis six D

(02:06:00):
a narrative. So I'm sure the audience is eating it up,
But go ahead continue, No.

Speaker 2 (02:06:05):
You're good. I just think, at least for part two,
let's start with Epstein and where that takes us in
a way, because I think that that will perfectly you know,
kind of it directly connects to Roy Cohne Trump's mentor, right,
who who I believe raped Richard Kerr from the Concora

(02:06:27):
Boys Home who was trafficked to him. He's been legitimately
proven to be a pedophile who ran human compromise sexual
blackmail parties where young children were provided to him by
certain cult organizations. And that in itself is fascinating, and
it goes far deeper than that. And I think that
Roy Cone is obviously the individual who helped blackmail sexually

(02:06:49):
blackmail JEdgar Hoover at the Blue Sweet parties, and later
on Trump himself would purchase that very human compromised property
right that hotel where the Blue Swa parties were held.
And then he would also happen to purchase Audann Koashogi's
yacht which was entirely rigged with audio visual blackmail out
on Koshogi being uh, you know, obviously he was related

(02:07:11):
to Jamal Kashogi, who, if you remember, in the first
Trump administration, was infamously assassinated and beheaded and executed and
cut up in pieces by Mohammed bin Salman, right, the
Saudi crown Prince or the Saudi Prince Saudi king now right,
huh And and and so it's crazy stuff, man, because
it all connects back to like Iran contra, because Adan

(02:07:33):
Kashogi was basically he was armed smuggling at the time
as a Saudi Arabian citizen. He was he was running
guns to h during the Iran Iraq conflict, and who
was embezzling the funds from his arms smuggling operation. None
other than Jeffrey Epstein. Oh yeah, one hundred percent. And

(02:07:54):
there's there's footage.

Speaker 1 (02:07:55):
Part two pictures part two exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:07:58):
Let me do you mind if I this one last?
Perhaps because I think you would would would really appreciate this,
because when I discovered it, it did reinforce certain spiritual
connotations and brought in more of a credit. I think
it reinforced and sort of like in my mind, it
lended credibility further to this sort of more supernatural spiritual

(02:08:25):
context to what they are able to accomplish and in
the facet of of implementing the altars right that in itself.
But yeah, I had begun with essentially we had the
one hundred and forty nine subprojects under the umbrella MK Ultra.
But Project Monarch it officially began by the US Army

(02:08:46):
in the early nineteen sixties. Now I think it was
very much unofficially implemented far earlier than that, and you
can kind of point to many examples, but it appears
to be you know, the most prominent classified as top
secret as far as national security reasons being cited as
the concern, And isn't that always the case, you know,

(02:09:08):
national you know, security concerns. It's just fascinating, but so monarch.
It culminated from MK search subprojects such as Operation Spellbinder,
which was set up to create sleeper assassins Manchurian candidates
who could be activated upon receiving a keyword or phrase

(02:09:30):
while in a post hypnotic trance. Now Operation Often, isn't
that fascinating that in itself, you know? And then you
had Operation Often. So the sleeper Assassins Manchurian candidate subproject
was Operation Spellbinder. This is one of one hundred and
forty nine sub projects under MK Ultra itself, which that

(02:09:52):
just lends to the extraordinary aspect of what they pursued
in the layered and tactical strategic outcome. So beyond this,
you know, obviously the key worder phrase while in post
hypnotic trance, that lends to the Sirhan Sirhan representation. An
example that we gave earlier as far as Elaine Neil

(02:10:13):
in the polka dot dress giving off the scent whispering
in his ear while touching him specifically at this precise
moment while he already drank the coffee with her in
the pantry prior to RFK being you know, strategically ushered
through in a very quick, unorthodox way through the pantry

(02:10:36):
where there's so many people in that area that it
was very it was primed and ready for a misdirected,
sort of targeted assassination and execution to where get the
Manchurian who was in a hypnotic trance to This is
another reason why sir Han was tackled to the ground

(02:10:58):
and even with the gun still in his hand, he's
just fiercely pulling the trigger. He couldn't stop doing that action,
as if he was programmed to commit that viscal action.
It was fascinating, and I know that always blew my
mind when I found that out, that he just and
when he was put into the trance during the trial,

(02:11:20):
they walked him through the actual assassination and he just
starts convulsing and pulling an imaginary trigger, phantom trigger. It
was crazy, I'm telling you, man, it was one of
the most insane things I've ever watched. I felt so
bad for sir Han too. I'll be honest, like I couldn't. No,
I'm not saying that he doesn't have very uh you know,

(02:11:43):
suspect connections to certain aspects of how he could have
been kind of the priority target to be pat seed.
But at the same time, we won't get into that.
I'll finish this this off about Monarch kind of attaching
that spirit spiritual context a little bit deeper, and then
we'll go ahead and segued a part two. Right, if

(02:12:06):
you're okay.

Speaker 1 (02:12:06):
With that, absolutely, yeah, awesomebody. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:12:09):
But so basically I just introduced this operation often, right,
which happens to study and attempt to harness the power
of occultic forces, possibly one of several cover programs to
hide the insidious reality of Project Monarch. This is the
way it was described now. The definition and description Monarch

(02:12:33):
is not necessarily defined within the context of royal nobility,
but rather refers to the monarch butterfly. When a person
is undergoing trauma induced by electra shock, a feeling of
lightheadedness is evidenced as if one is floating or fluttering
like a butterfly. There is also a symbolic representation pertaining

(02:12:54):
to the transformation or metamorphosis of this beautiful insect, allegedly
from a catapult to a cocoon, dormancy and activity to
a butterfly new creation which will return to its point
of origin. Such is the migratory patterns that make this
species unique. Now the occultic symbolism may give additional insight

(02:13:16):
into the true meaning. Psyche is the word for both
soul and butterfly, coming from the right, coming from the
belief that human souls become butterflies while searching for a
new reincarnation. This has legitimately been I know, and for
that to be sort of tied to this symbolic nature

(02:13:39):
of the project itself, it does bring in this sort
of mystical, esoteric connotation and context to it all. And
so some ancient myscal groups they refer to the Gnostics,
saw the butterfly as a symbol of corrupt flesh, the
angel of death. Now, Mangola, this is another reason you

(02:13:59):
have all this strange symbology of the butterfly. And so
this Gnostic art portrays crushing the butterfly in their form.
And then the marionette syndrome comes into play. A marionette
is a puppet that is attached to strings and is
controlled by the puppet master. This is monarch programming and

(02:14:20):
referred to as the Marionette syndrome. Imperial conditioning is another
term used now some mental health therapists know. They refer
to it as conditioned stimulus response sequences. Project monarch could
be best described as a form of structured dissociation and
occultic integration in order to compartmentalize the mind into multiple

(02:14:42):
personalities within a systematic framework. During this process, a satanic ritual,
usually including kabalistic mysticism, is performed with the purpose of
attaching a particular demon or group of demons to the
corresponding altars. Of course, most skeptics would view this as

(02:15:03):
simply a means to enhance trauma within the victim, negating
any irrational belief that demonic possession actually occurs the altars
and the triggers. Another way of examining this convoluted victimization
of body and soul is by looking at it as
a complex computer program. A file or alter is created

(02:15:26):
through trauma, repetition, and reinforcement. In order to activate or
trigger the file, a specific access code or password Q
or command is required. This is crazy, and we'll end
with an example of that in just a moment, because
it's fascinating. It came up when I covered the James.

Speaker 1 (02:15:43):
Holmes Crazy you know, I've just became familiar with often
that project. Was it what's the Butterflies podcast? You see
little clips of that. They've mastered the short game. But sorry,
I don't know, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (02:16:01):
Oh you're good, buddy. Just honestly, man, this is something
that I think so few people have even just entertained
at at all as being or been introduced to the
concept alone, I think is kind of unfortunate. But when
it comes down to the way that this is being described,

(02:16:22):
it makes so much more sense in terms of the
abuse networks I've studied that utilize hypnotism and the strange
implementation of d ID to the victims, to the child
victims specifically. Now we can get into that in part
two because Cancora comes up the can Coorra Boys Home
and how they the reason that they utilize the blood
sacrifice and the value of the prepubescent aspect of the blood.

(02:16:47):
It's very strange in the occult context, it's disturbing, but yes,
but there's a reason for everything. In terms of it
seems as if they have sort of like, you know,
at the very least they they have. I think in
every way it's more than just symbolic at this point.
And I do think there's some sort of we'll talk

(02:17:09):
about the ultimate sacrifice and and and David Berkowitz as well,
because you mentioned the what was his name again, the
the mass shooting that h Nicholas Cruz, Yes, Nicholas Cruz.
Now you mentioned the date that that occurred. That's an
occult holiday, right, that's the satanic symbolic.

Speaker 1 (02:17:30):
Holiday we had. We had donated on a couple. I mean,
we haven't released the episode yet, but the show before
this one, we're gonna post it. And he really brought
that up for the audience, you know, showing the dates,
the numbers, the numerology, meanings, and what it means to
these people, right, because there's some sort of I don't know,
I think there's like an ether or like an energy

(02:17:51):
system behind it to help them move forward with their plans.

Speaker 2 (02:17:55):
But I don't know, I there there has to be,
you know, you consider the concept of the geographical lay lines,
the centers of power, how they these these very strange
these first of all, like it seems like they're geopolitical
hubs of covert operations and and and it seems like
much of the occult just sort of reverberates from those areas.

(02:18:21):
And and clearly it's I think it's clear. I think
it's far more it's a nationwide, it's international and scope obviously, right.
But but at the same time, there are definitely there
are these sort of ground zero strategic hubs of influence
that somehow they're harnessing.

Speaker 1 (02:18:37):
Uh uh.

Speaker 2 (02:18:37):
Now, not entirely certain of this, but I definitely think
that there is a belief that you can harness this
frequency and energy to to your own benefit at a
certain level. Not certain exactly how you would go about,
you know, exploiting a lay line naturally existing, you know,
not quite certain, but but still it's fascinating to to

(02:18:59):
kind of like entertained as an idea. But but you
had to finish this off just to because it's again
it's something that they claim that sort of the victim
survivor they call a mind slave. Basically you're you're a
slave and and to the program or the handler. And
this comes up again and for one of the individual

(02:19:22):
examples of of one of these poor victims who definitely
had gone through some sort of Manchurian styled programmed assassin
right technique and program to where they they had an
actual trigger mechanism in place where if their handler mentioned
this trigger their entire you know, ability to to of

(02:19:46):
course sort of you know, can just engage in self
control practice. Self control is just removed from you. You know,
it's like the most vulnerable you could ever imagine becoming,
and it's outside of your ability to control. Like it's
it's fascinating to consider. But the claim is that this

(02:20:07):
is apparently the handler and the programmer are then of
course they're perceived as the master or the god of
the slave and the mind slave, and this falls in
line with the with Michael Aquino and basically the mind
war and the psychology of victory. But they say that
about seventy five percent of the monarch victims in the

(02:20:28):
beginning we're essentially female, and they prefer individual females for
certain things because apparently they possess a higher tolerance for
pain and tend to associate easier than males. This is
what the claim is. And so subjects are used mainly
for cover operations, prostitution and pornography. Involvement in the entertainment

(02:20:53):
industry is notable. A former military officer connected to the
DIA told Robert basically told Ron Patten that that essentially,
I mean, this is very strange, but in the big picture,
these people, the monarch victims are in all walks of
life from you know, legitimately, homeless people on the street

(02:21:15):
have been utilized in these experiments and then placed back
in their position, and uh, and and to white collar
individuals and and uh. In corroboration with retired CIA agents
who were basically came together and discussed the use of
such personnel to be used as plants or what they
called chameleons for the purpose of infiltrating a designated group,

(02:21:39):
gathering information, and or injecting an ulterior agenda. So that
makes sense. But there are allegedly, you know, you have
inordinate amounts of alters in the victim survivors, with numerous
backup programs what they call mirrors or shadows, a division
of light side good and dark side bads. So they're

(02:22:01):
playing off of this sort of you know, the concept
of morality in this very strange way, and altars are
interwoven in the mind and rotate on an axis, is
the way it's described. One of the main internal structures
apparently there are many, but one of them within the
system is shaped like a double helix, which that to

(02:22:24):
me was fascinating, and it consists of seven levels. Each
system has an internal programmer which oversees the gatekeeper, which
he suggests our demons who grant or deny entry into
the different rooms. So this is how you structure it

(02:22:44):
in you know, the psychological aspect of implementing the altars.
It's just I think there's another way you can describe it.
Is the gatekeeper that's providing you know, this sort of
axis wobble of the altars and how they are. Is
it really a demon or is it you know, is
it really a gatekeeper or could it be you know,

(02:23:06):
described in these spiritual terms. And that's what the claim is,
that this is potential demonic possession in a way that
you can achieve and implement in the sort of you know,
subconscious or unconscious or or just undefensible, you know, as
far as like the individual victims who clearly have no
ability to protect themselves. And so this is allegedly how

(02:23:30):
it functions in the mind. After the implementation, and a
few of the internal images predominantly seen by victim survivors
are trees like the Cabbalistic Tree of life with adjoining
root systems, infinity loops, ancient symbols and letters, spiderwebs, mirrors

(02:23:52):
or glass shattering mass castles, mazes, demons, aliens, monsters, seashells, butterflies, snakes, ribbons, bows, flowers, hourglasses, clocks, robots,
chain of command diagrams, and or schematic of computer circuitry boards.

(02:24:12):
These are all different things that have been suggested by
the monarch victims, who have you been implemented with this
sort of technique of administering these these strange you know,
D I D. Personalities. But here's the last point that
I wanted to at least bring to the table. Was

(02:24:33):
it involved bloodlines and what they call twining, which a
majority of the victims survivors come from multi, multi generational
Satanic families. These bloodlines and are are ostensibly programmed to
fill their destiny as the chosen ones or chosen generations,

(02:24:53):
a term coined by Mangola at Auschwitz. Some are adopted
out to family leaves of similar origin. Don't let me
forget next time to bring up a picture of Carrie Thornley,
well of what Cary Thornley believes to be Oswald's father,
who was basically a part of a Nazi breeding experiment

(02:25:14):
program and potentially Oswald was just some sort of yeah,
was bred in a Nazi breeding experiment to potentially become
some sort of mind controlled Manchurian asset. It's very strange, wow,
but yeah, his father. There are a lot of questions
surrounding Oswald's father. But I'll pull up that picture on
the next one and you have to tell me if

(02:25:36):
that resembles Oswald, because it's crazy, honestly makes you consider
it as wild. I can't wait for it, dude, especially
considering that Carrie Thornley, who provides this, who claims that
he was Oswald's brother and he was also bred in
the Nazi experimentation program, and that he legitimately pointed out

(02:25:58):
the fact that Jim Garrison claims that Carrie Thornley was
running essentially was running domestic covert operations on behalf of
the CIA alongside Oswald, which during that time when he
was in New Orleans and working for at five four
four Camp Street for Guy Banister and clay Shaw and

(02:26:19):
that basically they were running around, you know, as a
part of these these COVID operations together at the time,
conducting them in broad daylight. And that was the reason
why Carrie Thornley was considered to be one of oswaldt impersonators,
one of many of Oswalt impersonators that day, which is
fascinating and leading up to the day in Dallas, and
he had been implicated because he was working alongside Oswald

(02:26:43):
and new clay Shaw and and Guy Banister. And it's
fascinating because he then founds an esoteric New Age occult
religion called Discordianism. And if yeah, it gets crazier than that,
because Carrie Thorne not only did this, which Garrison himself
says was a covert CIA construct for plausible deniability that

(02:27:08):
this this cult organization that Kerry Thornley created actually was,
but in reality, he had written what he claimed to
be a fiction novel that that came out just before
the the the jfk assassination, and it was called The
Idol Warriors, all right, and it's one of the craziest

(02:27:30):
stories ever. Man, I'll tell you that right now. It'll
blow your mind. But we'll talk about it later, Yeah,
because I think the final point here is just that, Yeah,
others used in this neurological experiment are deemed as the
expendable ones. So not only did you have the family
bloodlines that were ostensibly programmed to achieve their destiny and

(02:27:55):
the multi generational Satanic occult familial outcome there, it seems
as if you have potential generations of mind controlled individuals
who some are adopted out to families of similar origin,
others used in in this this experiment where they became
the expendable ones, the non bloodliners. So that's potentially why

(02:28:19):
you have the individual in in Uh, let's just say
maybe X one was spared due to her familial connections
to the satanic bloodline, which which unfortunately brought her into
and introduced her to the sadistic abuse network. But it
makes a lot of sense why she would age out

(02:28:40):
and not be effectively executed once she did age out,
Like many of the other procured victims, once they reach
a certain age, they're no longer valuable to the to
the network and they essentially either placed you into the
the these high flute and human hunting parties, which are

(02:29:00):
definitely you know, arranged through these pedophile underground publications, and
they're almost like a there basically are a subscription based
model where you pay to play, and based on your
most stadistic sinister sexual proclivity, you can essentially end up
on like a North Fox Island hunting children, right, and

(02:29:24):
a human hunting party. Yes, that's one hundred percent of reality.
It's fascinating stuff, but same thing happening Cancorra in terms
of the family bloodline, sparing some of the victims but
still so. Then you have the non bloodliners who become expendable,
but usually coming from orphanages, foster care homes, and cessious
families with a long history of pedophilia. There's so many

(02:29:46):
examples of that. And this also appears to be a
pattern of family members affiliated with government or military intelligence agencies.
So I think that is really what I wanted to
to kind of describe more than anything that I discovered
recently in terms of monarch, because it did it put

(02:30:06):
it into spiritual terms in a way that I had
never heard it described before. And I found that to
be I don't know it, it seemed like it it
just fit too well, you know, it does confirmation of right,
it reinforces what I almost kind of believed in my
soul already at this moment, right, which is just it's sad.

Speaker 1 (02:30:28):
To like, you know, we straddle things for so long
until it it just pushes us to that one side,
you know, where we're like, Okay, yeah, that's you know,
I was giving it the benefit of doubt, but yeah,
I know it to be true, right, Like there's just
too much build up, too much connections. And really with.

Speaker 2 (02:30:44):
Telling you that man and and I had mentioned doctor
Robert Duncan talking about mantarean candidate ID program Free and
how James Holmes was was a candidate for this man,
he suggests that obviously he had mentioned, you know, the
brain implants and post hypnotic suggestion works far, it's far superior, apparently,

(02:31:07):
But he says one of their goals was to create
split personality spies so they could pass information without even
knowing it, and even commit murder with no memory of
the crime so they could still pass a polygraph test.
Among the various techniques used throughout this process is something
called the Voice of God technology. And even while they

(02:31:29):
are sleeping, these subjects are kept in associative states and
can allegedly be programmed with subliminal messages. Now often these
targets can be manipulated through the use of microwave hearing
effects or voice transformation, such as using the voice of
a dead relative to implant ideas in the subject's mind.

Speaker 1 (02:31:49):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (02:31:50):
And then he ends it by saying neuroscience has become
the modern battleground where war wages on over the control
of the human mind cybernetic warfare. The twenty first century
will be known as the Age of spiritual machines and
soulless men.

Speaker 1 (02:32:09):
Brother, listen, I really believe in that things happen for
a reason. And you know, with with research, because because
I've been going on shows more, it's been something that
as a podcaster, it's something I've just taken hold of.
And I'm like, you know what, I am a researcher.
I you know, I do nothing, but you know, you know,

(02:32:29):
go to my job, you know when I need to
and be a dad and be a good husband, and
but I podcast and and I've been in the realm
only for you know, seven months or so. But but
I'm like, you know, I need to to take ownership
of the things that I love and that I love
to specialize in just like you brother, like you know
you're great, you are you really are top tier one

(02:32:54):
of the guys in the community that that is just
really good at what they do. And so as I've
been going and finding research on the topic that just
God's put on my heart to sift out, to cipher
or decipher and to try and just bring it to

(02:33:15):
the public in a different ways. You know something, ever
since I became a Christian, and I've always been interested
in this mark of the beast, right, Like what is
the mark of the beast? Right? So it says in
the Bible that if we don't have it in our body,
we can't buy and sell. But then when you look
at the other parts of Revelation, during the judgments of

(02:33:35):
the bulls the wraths, this is what's happening to the
earth with you know, with the Antichrists in the world.
People of the world have this mark of the beast.
And there's a lot of war going on as well
between believers and what is taken habitation and ownership, what

(02:33:56):
has taken dominion over the earth. There's like a war
between good and evil. And what's fascinating is getting into
the patents getting into the technology realm, and especially BioMed
right because we mentioned BioMed. You mentioned BioMed on this podcast,
and we've been talking about that. There's spiritual implications clearly
behind what's going on. And I've come to the realization

(02:34:20):
that there is technology out there, right, and this is
from just research, that it wants to take your agency
away from your consciousness. Why because that's how we make decisions. Well,
what's the biggest decision that we could make? Well, what
do we believe in? Right? Everyone kind of goes around
this world and walks this earth with that question and

(02:34:42):
that curiosity in their mind at least one time a day,
like what is this right? And what am I going
to choose to believe? There's many different avenues and routes
that we can take and choose, and that's everyone's liberty.
Like I love that right and find it. I would
love to share some of this, you know, another another

(02:35:03):
show or something or whenever. But there is technology out
there to where it has principles and it has capabilities
and properties that can detach you from your the agency
that we have. People are like, don't understand really what

(02:35:25):
I'm saying, Like you can, you can play the back
seat driver, but who is really in the front seat.
And as I've gone through my journey, you know, having
you on the show right now and having other people
on in the you know, in the show, there's so
much confirmation to like, you know, I R I'm really
You've really brought to my attention that a lot of

(02:35:47):
this is MK ultra grounded. It really is. Multure is
just it's just going through a course of evolution and
it's like getting faster and stronger and it's mutating. Right. It's,
if anything, it's hard to catch up to you right now.
But but we're on the trail right Austin Wade Piguard

(02:36:08):
is on the trail. People. Oh man, dude, what a
show by what a show man. Thank you so much man.
You know, I, of course I felt it in my
heart to start this podcast thing, to really take it
full time in a way, and to to go hard
after it. You know, six seven months ago. I came
from you know, being a listener to you. I came

(02:36:32):
from being a listener. You know. I remember hearing you
on Sam Tripley's show. I was like, Yeah, this guy's
creaty and then you know, same thing with NBS and
all these other guys and now I'm actually I've got
you in the studio and it's it's such a blessing, bro,
It's really it's crazy. It's fanboy moment for me, believe
it or not. And I'm pretty humble about it. But

(02:36:52):
I mean it's a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (02:36:53):
Man.

Speaker 1 (02:36:54):
You you freaking killed it this episode. And I'm sure
the audience is like gonna go back and play this
for another download, because the second time is always better.
We always know that, especially the podcast. It really is. Man,
all right, But I'll tell you what, if you're all
done tying to ball and everything you wanted to, I

(02:37:15):
wanted just to ask you that first before we move
into the next segment.

Speaker 2 (02:37:19):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, I just for me, the last
thing I really had to say was was basically one,
I can't thank you enough for what you just said.
That those kind words mean everything to me, honestly, brother.
Like I started my podcast because I felt so isolated

(02:37:40):
in my ideas. You know, I was just kind of
I again, it's just when you feel like you know,
it's it's almost as if I got into this moment
where I was just kind of pacing in the front
room and just like regurgitating so much information, information while

(02:38:00):
pacing back and forth to my wife after she gets off.

Speaker 1 (02:38:03):
Work, I was like, like.

Speaker 2 (02:38:06):
I have to I have to apply this to something,
you know that I view as worthwhile for my own sake,
you know, at the very least, but beyond that, it
was like I was on this path of attempting to
to kind of interpret the power paradigm for myself and
through that and I'm telling you it was something where

(02:38:31):
now I wasn't thinking in the most spiritual of terms
when I began this process, and man throughout objectively pursuing
the truth, I feel as if just through applying yourself
in that process you find God. I swear there's something
to that through the objective pursuit of the truth, you

(02:38:53):
somehow discover the spiritual outcome. You know, the true nature
of what is at play here with this is spiritual battle.
You know, your soul is at stake, right, And like
it was just like when I started this, I never
could have imagined that I would have like kind of

(02:39:14):
you know, just again, the relationships that I've kind of
you know, made from day one, it makes all of
this worthwhile because once again, it's like the nature of
sort of forming a community around you. It's it's it's
I think it's very important. Not obviously, I think there's

(02:39:34):
an aspect to that. In your own personal individual lifestyle.
You obviously need to have I think, a family, and
and that will will lead to to feeling less isolated
in certain ways, but you will always need some sort
of like connection to like minded individuals that make you
feel a little less insane. When it comes down to

(02:39:56):
the interpretation of this specific power, Paarat, I'm in the
unfortunate oppression and abuse and the individual victims that I
for myself personally, Like, once I discovered the reality, the credibility,
the corroborative evidence that exists, I could not turn a
blind eye any longer. I feel obligated to consistently spotlight

(02:40:18):
these stories because who am I, with my privileged existence,
you know, to just bury my head in the sand
because it upsets my delicate sensibility. You know. It's like,
consider what people who never had a chance and were

(02:40:38):
thrust into these environments that you can't even almost conceptualize
for yourself. Try and put myself in those positions as
much as I could, and it makes it to where
I kind of mentioned it before, there is an emotional
toll in a lot of this research that you know,
definitely it right is to the surface at a certain point.

(02:41:01):
If you're not balancing out, you know, the things you're
exposing yourself too, you can get too bogged down and
the disturbing details at a level to where and I'll
be sitting there doing research for hours on end and
legitimately convincing myself internally I'm unaffected. I'm fine, this is fine,
I'm fine, I'm okay. And then there's a there's a

(02:41:22):
turning point. There's a moment where it boils over and
you know, the emotional consequences come to light, and and
there's there's there's a toll. I think I described it
at one point as I never resurface whole. I feel
like I lose a part of myself in certain aspects

(02:41:43):
of these cases, and that's terrifying. And so it's something
that I've tried to you know, I've tried to attempt
to embrace a mantra where I'm very grateful, because I
am extremely grateful for the position I find myself in
at this moment. The people that I have round myself
with look at the good things in life, remember and

(02:42:04):
remind myself what is most important. But at the same time,
it's like you have to pivot away for your own
well being at certain points. Just and this is another
reason why I've been telling myself my next episode won't
be about some statistic child trafficking operation because I can't
stomach it for at least a couple of episodes. But

(02:42:26):
I think it's just important have a little bit of balance,
because again, David Raven, you know, the other day on
NDS top was like, are you having fun? I was like,
thank you so much for asking that question, because I like, legitimately,
you know, I pray before I do any interview, and

(02:42:46):
I just I essentially I've embraced this sort of mantra
in my prayer where I ask for my intentions to
be pure, my heart to be in the right place,
and my mind to work efficient and effective. And then
I've been adding to this to where I now have

(02:43:06):
been recently just asking to enjoy the conversation, have a
good time, have some fun, you know, And I think
that it is important to try and I know it's
very important to spotlight a lot of these issues, but
we have to at least attempt to, you know, shine

(02:43:27):
a light into the darkness in a way and not
prioritize focusing only on the negative outcome and the disturbing
details of the reality that we face. And I think
that's steering away from the black pill in a certain way,
because I think it's very important to do so right
and considering the mind control aspect of it all and

(02:43:50):
losing free will like that in general is happening to
so many people, and unbeknownst to them, it's sort of
the subconscious framework of the decept playing out in real time,
and they're no longer in control of their thoughts. They
no longer can even I mean, honestly, consider the average
person if you try and drill down and ask them

(02:44:12):
to describe, you know, their ideological influence, what they truly
do view as their moral core principles that they value,
and they'll grow upset because they have yet to truly
identify them for themselves. And that is why their soul
is vulnerable in this moment, because their morality and ethical
principles are up for sale. It's wherever way the wind blows,

(02:44:37):
and that is a problem in terms of the level
of influence and being sort of leveraged against us at
every level of modern society. Right, And so that is
where we fall into the preordained outcomes and the very strategic,
socially engineered traps that have been set for us, and
we lose our free will. We cannot come to the

(02:44:58):
table open minded any longer and engage with ideas in
a realistic and authentic and objective way to where we
can have these conversations with people in our own families
and at a certain level, right, because it's sort of like,
are you willing to put them in the position to
where you could potentially lose out, you know, lose a relationship,

(02:45:20):
burn a bridge. That is happening in so many different
families and at this very moment, and I believe it's
by designs, it's legitimately, you know. And so anyway, the
final point there is just that, you know, when I
did the James Holmes episode, it was crazy. I discovered
this poor woman, this victim, that her anders sister where

(02:45:42):
they had co authored this book. It was called Secret
Weapons How two sisters were brainwashed to kill for their country.
And her name was Lynn Hersha and Lynn wrote in
the book, What angers me is the loss of control.
At any moment, someone could come to me, be dressed

(02:46:03):
the right way, use the right code, and I no
longer have free will. I will do anything that person requests.
I hate them for that. Nothing else is as bad
as knowing that I am always out of control, knowing
that I am still a laboratory experiment, a puppet whose
strings are hidden from everyone but my handlers, and I

(02:46:26):
don't yet know how to break free. And it, just
like it further reinforced the idea that we caught a
glimpse of this sort of careful and systematic assault being
waged on the human psyche, right, and it's multifaceted, eliminating
our self determination and shattering the very concept of free will. Man,

(02:46:49):
I mean, that is what we're experiencing.

Speaker 1 (02:46:51):
Right, And I think too, you know, just from the
Christian perspective. I mean, when we look at the adversaria, right,
there's many different titles, Satan, Lucifer, the devil, many different things,
but really his job is like a lawyer, right, So
he watches you throughout your life, and he continuously goes
to and fro from the earth to heaven, constantly going
back and forth and going, don't you see what he's doing?

(02:47:14):
Don't you see what he's doing? You know, So when
I when I understand that from the scriptures, it's just
he has morals, right, he does. But not only is
there a hive mind concept between you know, the New
World Order, revelation, the Antichrist and all these other concepts,
they all kind of do tie in together and playing together.

(02:47:35):
But he's after your consciousness, He's after the agency of it.
Why because he knows you can still make a decision
at the end of the day for your soul. And
and and that's the biggest thing, right, that's the biggest thing.
And brother, I appreciate you so much. Man, you came

(02:47:55):
on you absolutely crushed. I want to just take a
little bit of time and let's talk talk about your platforms.
Let's talk about your shows and where the people can
support you the most.

Speaker 2 (02:48:06):
Thank you, brother. And again, this is what I love
so much about kind of you know, being able to
pursue just have the Again, the whole reason behind the
podcast was to have conversations like this, right, meet individuals

(02:48:27):
who were so very obviously unplugged from the current system
and thinking for themselves. Right, the critical thinking skills. It's
you know, I encourage everyone every single thing I said,
go make sure you cite these sources. You know, it's
legitimate to me and I only bring forward, but has
very much proved to be compelling personally and kind of

(02:48:52):
I think, you know, convinced me otherwise in terms of
the alternative theories involved in so many of these ridiculous
scandals or cases that you know, they've been effectively covered
up at an extent to where what we've taken at
face value as the mainstream version of things is an

(02:49:13):
obvious misdirection. And that in itself is the reason why
I love the ability to kind of like come bring
ideas to the kind of like you know, the.

Speaker 1 (02:49:25):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (02:49:26):
I forget what the term is as far as like,
but either way, the idea is just to be able
to kind of bring forward and present these kind of
very much underappreciated you know, kind of like additional layers
to these very much. I believe consequential cases that still

(02:49:51):
to this day have sort of it's only providing more
of a window into how the current structured paradigm can
insistently remains in the shadows. And I think that is,
it's up to individuals like ourselves to kind of like
be willing to put our credibility at risk by just
discussing things in an objective way. I find it fascinating
that people are so concerned with remaining credible. It's I'm

(02:50:16):
not acting as if I'm not concerned with that. I
do definitely hope to, you know, thoroughly exhaust my resources
to the point to where I'm And this is a
reason why I mentioned the fact I only bring to
the table what has thoroughly convinced me otherwise, because so
much of what we're trying to navigate through is just misinformation, disinformation,

(02:50:37):
you know, layers of deceit, and so as I said
in the Psychopath Machine episode that I covered, I described
it as and I mentioned Oakridge earlier in Steve Smith,
I described it as our current reality is far stranger
than fiction in every way, and that includes programmed assassins,

(02:50:58):
manitaranean candidates, secret GOVERNMNT programs, you know, manufactured mercenaries. And
I think that the way that John Ronson put it
in the Psychopath Test, as I mentioned earlier, it kind
of put it into two perspective for me personally, as
far as what I was attempting to break through to

(02:51:21):
witness some for myself firsthand, which was essentially just consistently
find these windows of opportunity to expose these networks of
operation and how they conduct themselves. But that is, as
John Ronson wrote in The Psychopath Test, Suddenly madness was everywhere, right,
and I was determined to learn about the impact it

(02:51:44):
had on the way society functions and evolves. Psychopaths make
the world go round. Society is an expression of that
particular sort of madness. I've always believed society to be
a fundamentally rational thing, but what if it isn't, what
if it is built on insanity? And I just thought

(02:52:05):
it was the perfect way to describe his psychopath machine
and mind control in general, and how our current society
is truly structured in this socially engineered way to embrace
the inverted moral landscape these It's a fundamental flaw in
the nature of first of all, not understanding and being

(02:52:26):
able to deliberately interpret the reality of the exploitation of
the god hoole. And I think that's what happens to
so many people right The god hole exists, and they
have to fill it with something, and so they're desperate,
and their attempt always inevitably becomes some form of a
new age esoteric ideological system of control. Whether that is

(02:52:48):
at surface level and in the political spectrum of political
parties and political puppets, so be it, or whether it's
you know, some other fundamental justification that you're attempting to obviously,
you know, just internalize so that you can move forward

(02:53:08):
in a way to where you can feel as if
you're ethically superior. So many people fall into that trap
as well. So anyway, I just yeah, man, I'm glad
you appreciated it, because I felt like I was a
little skitz today as well.

Speaker 1 (02:53:22):
But I think those are the best, man, because we
really when we sit down for you know, as long
as we do and we have these conversations, and this
is the first show we've done together, but we've we've
we come to a realization that we are constantly trading

(02:53:42):
cards on the table in front of us, and we're
trading cards and we're only getting a benefit out of it.
Because usually when you trade cards, you're like, I don't
want to give this one away. But when we have
podcasts like this, we're trading cards and it's just added
to our collection. And I love that. I love that

(02:54:03):
there's so many golden nuggets that were flying around here.
We're rich, thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:54:10):
I mean, that's why I love Sam too. Right, Like
every time, like my favorite person to talk to is
the person who gives me a reaction when I drop
a truth bomb, you know what I'm saying, Like, I
can't help it because I want to feel it right right,
I want to feel like that same, that same emotion

(02:54:31):
that Now it's not always there's always a layer of
you know, unfortunate, disturbing darkness that is attached to it.
But throughout the course of the research, when you discover
something that reinforces such critical information, that draws such that
truly does make the alternative theory far more compelling, you know,

(02:54:54):
which so often is the case, then you get excited
because you're just like, Wow, I found another legitimate, credible,
corroborative point that I can bring to the table that
will reinforce this reality that we're facing. And and kind
of again, it upends that inverted moral landscape to our

(02:55:15):
own benefit, to where we can see through it. We
see through the deception, the veil, no longer remains, and
thank God for that, and I thank God for my
critical thinking skills and rejecting public school system as early
on as I did, like just having sort of these
natural principles in place, because you know, and I think
my parents for being moral and ethical and meaning well

(02:55:38):
having good intentions because so many people have very bad
examples in that context. And and that's a very kind
of You're you're at a disadvantage, you know, from from
the beginning. And that's feel I feel empathy, you know,
it's like, yeah, just it's it's unfortunate, man, But I do,

(02:56:01):
I do thank you so much for having me on, brother,
and I do hope we can do this again very
soon and.

Speaker 1 (02:56:05):
In your future. Absolutely, man, I enjoyed this absolutely, man.
This was a great interview, man, real quick. For the audience, man,
where can they find you and your shows and support you?

Speaker 2 (02:56:15):
All? Right? Guys? So the Underclass podcast is basically the
main show that I started my personal solo projects all.
You know, everything I do typically falls under that umbrella.
I'll still post you know, already dead. The show I
do with Jose on Tuesdays. We do it's basically a

(02:56:36):
well we call it a a call in Basically, we
do a livestream call in show where we effectively kind
of discuss parapolitics and sort of bridge the gap, offering
some sort of sense of credibility into the conspiratorial realm
in a certain way. And I think it's become much
more you know, it's it's more casual than what I

(02:56:58):
do personally in my solo work, and I think I
need that, right it It brings a little bit of uh,
it helps relieve the yes exactly, and so we do
that every Tuesday night, nine thirty Eastern time. This week
we're actually Jose's out of town, so I'm going to

(02:57:19):
co host. I asked Jules if you'd co hosts with
me on Tuesday, and we're going to have jewels.

Speaker 1 (02:57:25):
Yeah. Yeah, Yeah. He's supposed to get back to me
with some dates, so you can kind of.

Speaker 2 (02:57:30):
Not yeah, I'll tell him. Yeah, he's uh, he's our
producer basically now, because we started out and and I
had gotten Adam from Debora gets red pilled back in
the day. Just I think I was his last interview
ever actually before they decided to stop doing the show,
which is super sad, and I love those guys and
and uh, well I love Adam and Deborah and I

(02:57:51):
hope they they do it again at some point. But
either way, I really enjoyed talking to them. He was
always great and and and so he was our first producer,
but then his jiu jitsu class and and everything he
was trying to accomplish. Uh as a homesteader at the time,
was just kind of like it's too much for him
to to still show up reliably, so he kind of

(02:58:11):
just you know, separated and and but yeah, he's he's
a good he's a good person. And then after that, though, uh,
we had to fill the void, and Jules was like,
I'll do it right and volunteered his services. So we
brought his ass in and it's been a lot of
fun honestly, just getting to know him better. But but yeah,
so he's gonna co host with me on Tuesday instead

(02:58:33):
of jose And and we'll we'll have Donut on as
the guest. So that'll be fun, especially considering all these
celebrity deaths that just took place.

Speaker 1 (02:58:42):
I know, and he was talking about it. Man, I
wish I released it already, but we have it. It's coming. Uh,
what's today it's it'll be here next onnes Day. But nice. Yeah,
we were getting into it. We were getting into two
o one, we were getting into the numbers and that
he was actually talking. If you saw his Instagram post,

(02:59:04):
you know he's like, oh, I was off a little
bit from by the date. Well he was telling us
that on the show, and I was like, oh man,
and then boom right Hull Cogan and all these celebrity
deaths and everything. It's really crazy. It's all out there.
Folks check us out, support us wherever we're at so
we can keep on doing what we're doing, even though
we're gonna keep doing it until they turned the lights

(02:59:25):
off for sure. For sure.

Speaker 2 (02:59:27):
And the pay I should say, the patroon is the
best place to support me, just as far as at
least you can get something out of it. The incentive
is there for even the lowest level I think is
a three dollars tier. And and basically I have a
paywall show called whatever this is. And and that's me
Brad Binkley from the Propaganda Report and then Sam obviously

(02:59:48):
from timfoil Hat. So it's it's it's been a whole
lot of fun, man. I love those guys, and and
I swear to God man like I I do I
describe myself at this point I told Ramsey at one
point I said, we're all effectively disciples of Sam Tripley
at this moment.

Speaker 1 (03:00:06):
We're all his kids.

Speaker 2 (03:00:07):
Bro. No longer exactly for real, dude, but anyway, Yeah,
I really do appreciate you, brother, So thank you again, man,
No worries.

Speaker 1 (03:00:14):
Man. It was an honor, man, and a blessing. And
I'm excited to create more content with you and just
build relationship man, because really that's the biggest thing too
that I've learned just being podcastering on this journey is
you know, I don't have to agree with everything, and
I really think we shouldn't agree with everything or else
it might be kind of culty in a way, but

(03:00:35):
you know, I'm and even just the religious aspect of things. Yeah,
this is a Christian podcast, but what I'm trying to
open up to the audience and to the gatekeepers and
all this stuff is that we don't have to believe
in the same thing, but we can build a relationship together, right,
And that's like my key. My key is to build

(03:00:57):
relationship with people, build friendships, and to change the game
in that way, because when when we all come together
and we're you know, chain linked, arm in arm, dude, like,
it doesn't at the end of the day, it our bias,
beliefs don't don't matter. It's our friendship at the end
of the day that that matters. Men, And I love that.

(03:01:18):
It's It's one of the biggest things that you know,
God's revealed to me in doing all this, because in
the end, God's at work through everything and and He's
working on people no matter what. And so, but how
we're going to close this out is, if you don't mind, men,
I'm gonna say it, closed this out in a little
prayer and then uh love and that's it. Man. So

(03:01:39):
thank you again, bro, so Heavenly father man, we thank
you so much. Thank you for this opportunity. Thank you
for the amount of research and knowledge and dedication that
went into this. And I just pray for Austin. I
pray for his journey to be safe. I pray for
you to be the light onto his path and to
guide him in each and every way that he is seeking. Lord,

(03:02:00):
and I just pray God that you just keep us safe,
keep us humble, and keep our eyes on you, Lord
in Jesus name. Amen. Amen. Brother. All right, well, thank
you again, Austin man. And I appreciate this man and
and I'm excited to work with you more in the future.

Speaker 2 (03:02:20):
One hundred percent, brother,

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