#61. Propaganda-Psychological Warfare| Edward Bernays-Netflix| Jeffery Epstein Chalk Board w/ Brad Binkley| The Propaganda Report

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Biblical hit Man.
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(00:36):
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With all that said, brother, thank you for joining the show.

(00:58):
Glad to have you on man.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Thanks for having me on Man. I'm excited. It was
cool to get together at bro Grove down there, and
I want to tell people up front, I don't usually
wear cartoonishly big headphones. I just left mind somewhere else
and I had to find these game headphones, so I
looked like a clown. Now I'm ready to go.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Let's go, baby, Let's go dude. You know it's so funny.
I've been this week. Has been a busy week collabing
with a bunch of people that was at bro Grove.
Awesome event. Shout out to NDS. I know some of
the people listening, they're like, you know whatever, listen, guys,
it was an awesome event. It was a lot of fun.
Sam Tripley was there a lot of awesome content creators there,

(01:41):
just like yourself. You know, we had awesome pickguard on,
We've we had Donut on, We've got you on. I mean,
it's it's a lot of fun collaborating with you guys
because we're all really, at the end of the day,
like minded people, and it was such a comfortable feeling
just being around other people that you know, I think
the same right or review. Our perspectives are very similar.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
One agree they put on a great event. I've done
a couple of events this year, and getting out from
behind the screen and going to meet up in person,
it's just a whole different energy. It brings it to
another level that you just can't get through a screen.
So I try to do as many of those events

(02:26):
as I can. When they come up because I just
think it's it's great to connect in person.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, man, and I love collabing with other content creators,
other hosts of different shows because really, at the end
of the day, we bring on other people on our platforms,
we know a little about a lot, and it's just
an awesome It's like trading Pokemon cards back in the day,
but except you don't lose anything. It's just all in benefit.
So real quick man, For the audience that's not familiar

(02:52):
with you, just tell us a little bit about yourself
and your show.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
I'm Brad Binkley. I host the Propaganda Report podcast Deconstruct Propaganda.
I've been doing it. I used to be on WSB
years and years ago. Then we got kicked off for
actually talking about Jeffrey Epstein before it was acceptable to
talk about Jeffrey Epstein. When one of his buddies bought

(03:17):
the station and we were gone shortly they bought the
parent company, we were gone shortly thereafter. I believe it
was Leon Black. It was shortly before he got exposed,
even though we were already exposing him and his friends
on the show. So that's partly a lot kicked off.
But yeah, I've had my website taken down before for
posting like documents Epstein related for the type of stuff

(03:42):
that we're doing a lot of now, a lot of
people questioning and noticing things. We got kicked off in
the about like twenty nineteen from WSB doing that and
been doing the podcast strictly ever since. Deconstructing Propaganda. I
tried to do it through with a comedical end. I
have a friend on that plays Trump. He was at

(04:03):
bro Grove we have Yeah, he did a great job.
He always does a great job, Josh Josh Warren. He's
an actor and he's uh Trump is He's the best
Trump that I've seen. In my opinion that I am biased.
But we also have have a bunch of other people
that come on and play characters. I have a background
in stand up comedy and improvisational comedy, so I try

(04:24):
to bring in my friends to play various characters related
to the news and combine that with news deconstruction. My
whole philosophy at this point is like it's such theater
and it's so it can be so cartoonish what goes
on in the news and in the psyops that we
are being subjected to that you just have to. You

(04:45):
can't get into that doom mode where everything's just overwhelming
that you just have to you have to mock it.
And I try to also just like be helpful if
I can, you know, which can be It can be
easy to get cynical and stuff. But I feel like
when I first started deconstructing propaganda, it was a long

(05:09):
time ago. I was teaching stand up comedy at the time,
and I recognize that people thought they couldn't do what
they wanted to do. They thought that they couldn't get
up on stage and even do a stand upset because
they there were certain ways that it was supposed to work.
And just like people think there's certain ways you're supposed
to get this job or that job. You have to

(05:29):
check all these boxes. And I have this realization that
this is I mean, it's all propaganda that builds this
psychological barrier around what you think you can do that
is an illusion, and deconstructing propaganda why it can reveal
some dark things about the world. It also reveals that
that barrier that holds you back is actually it's bs,

(05:51):
it's not real, and you can actually do things in
different ways using the skills that you have instead of
being dependent on certain paths that we've been led to
believe when we were younger that we must follow to
achieve success. And I think that's freeing personally.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Oh absolutely, man, absolutely, And really the people do appreciate
it at the end of the day, like what we
do and and the boundaries and the obstacles that we
have to jump over to constantly try and keep our
platforms and all this kind of stuff. It's like, funny
what you said. It's with the show we had with
Austin on Shout Out Austin Pickard the Underclass podcast. He

(06:30):
brought up Uri bisman Off, right, Like Ury Bismanov was
like that x KGB guy came over to America, was
doing an interview and talking about how basically like active measures, right,
this concept of a psychological program to demoralize a country.
It was as a it's a big sy out program
to honestly destroy a country from within. It's like a

(06:51):
different type of warfare, right.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, and it's it's a demoralization a campaign too. So
I will dive too deep into this, maybe we'll get
into it. But this guy Martin Seligman, who was actually
who should be subpoenaed in relation to Epstein. He's never
been questioned about it yet He's in a court document
that nobody talks about related to Epstein. Helped Epstein get
that sweetheart deal. Martin Seligman he created the theory of

(07:17):
learned helplessness back at the University of Pennsylvania in the
late sixties. Around the same time, declassified documents revealed that
there was an mk ultra program going on there, and
then he was torturing dogs to discover this theory of
learned helplessness, where he would torture them and then it
would reach the point where the cage could be opened.

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That dogs would not even leave even though they knew
torture was coming, because they had been conditioned to believe
that they had no control. Nothing they could do could
change their outcome, so they just accepted it. They had
learned helplessness, and he posited at the time that the
same thing could be applied to humans. Fast forward to
after two thousand and one and Cia goes and after

(08:03):
September eleventh, he goes in. They go and have a
meeting with him, and at this meeting they learned about
learned helplessness and then learned helplessness becomes the foundation for
the post nine to eleven CIA torture program based on
Martin Seligman, again, who Epstein funded the work of starting
in two thousand and three, and who helped Epstein get

(08:23):
that sweetheart deal. It's in a court document. Nobody's ever
asked him about his relationship with Epstein, and then he
gets this military contract to do all this other work.
We can get into later. It's called positive psychology, which
is brainwashing. He's the brainwasher in chief for the US government.
But the learned helplessness aspect of it. Tech Kazinski's manifesto
was inspired by this guy's learned helplessness theories. Kazinsky wrote

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all these letters about how the people are the dogs
and his experiment and what this demoralization campaign is. I
see it as this attempt to create this mass learned
helplessness so that cannot be people that actively challenge those
who kind of rule behind the curtains or even in

(09:07):
front of us. And it's the idea that nothing you
can do can change your outcome, and you know the
art of war, like make yourself appear bigger and monolithic
and whatever, so that people don't even try to fight back.
I think it falls in line with that. And the
way that I think about that is when it comes
to demoralization is like the very act like accepting this demoralization,

(09:30):
like it gives them what they want, having hope, seeing
ways to have hope, and what you can control and
what you can do right in front of you. Instead
of looking at all these people as a big mind,
I think they're all put personally. I think they fight
with each other, and I don't think it is exactly
what we think it is in every way. But having
hope and taking action right in front of you, like

(09:51):
doing these meetups like we did that in and of
itself is like an act of resistance because you're not
laying in that cage refusing to get up because you're
not coming to the conditioning.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean those are great points, man, And
at some point it's like when you look at all
the movies, man, you mentioned resistance, and I always whenever
I watched Star Wars or Terminator or whatever, there there's
some sort of group that is against what's taking place
in the world or in the galaxy, whatever it is,
and it's it's we don't we're not integral with their

(10:28):
theosophies or philosophies and and and and how they want
to go about the world, because we kind of know,
at the end of the day, a lot of this
stems back to, you know, the elites. This maybe this
bloodline of a family that's kind of running and trying
to control things. What I wanted to get your take
on this, what is where do you think do you

(10:49):
think AI is being used as a tool to push
propaganda and to like demoralize us even more?

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Well, I mean it certainly is demoralizing trying to find
any real answers on through Google research with AI. I
think that it certainly can it. It can make I
think it can make society stupid, right because it finding
real information with these AI search bots Now it's it's impossible.

(11:19):
I mean, you can do it. But like you used
to be able to find a lot of stuff through
a Google search, I say, like twenty seventeen, the Las
Vegas shooting is when I noticed a real drop off
in your ability to find anything. You could still find
stuff using all the search modifiers and whatnot. By eliminating
like you know, you put a minus and then you

(11:40):
take the word next to the minus if for people
listening I haven't used search modifiers. If you don't want
certain words to show up minus and then right next
to that, just take that word out. So if you're
trying to like eliminate today's news because you're looking for
old news to kind of compare it to, you know,
you got to get rid of all that stuff today
so it doesn't flood out what you're looking for. You
used to be able to do that a lot easier,

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but now what happens is you put in a search
and the first thing that comes up is this populated
AI response at the top of Google, and most people,
for sake of convenience and with probably a little bit
of unearned trust that they might be giving to this AI,
might just accept that. And I would encourage them to

(12:22):
type the same request in three or four times and
look how different each answer is. It will be contradicting answers.
You can then go click on the links that they cite.
The links will be some comment on Reddit, or it'll
be an article from eight years ago. Even if you
did a search modifier saying show me something from this week,
so it gives you wrong information. It then makes it

(12:44):
harder and more cumbersome to search around that. And then
if you go compare it to chat GPT or something,
you're gonna get completely different answers. Then you can flip
them and then do the same searches and they'll flip there.
It's just it's bs. It's awful. We have law firms
who are getting paid money to defend clients who have
gotten disbarred because they have gone to chat GPT and

(13:07):
say give me the case law to defend this client,
and chat GPT made up case law, and my sister's
lawyer we tried it for I was like, let's try
this with one of your cases, and we put it
in and it did the same thing, cobbled together a
bunch of different cases, information from cases into one case.
It did not exist that she would have gotten in

(13:29):
trouble had she actually used. And so I think it
can be from that aspect of it, from the search
aspect of it makes it harder for us to find
real and good information without recognizing that from the demoralizing
aspect of it, I mean, I certainly think it can.
We've had with that one kid that killed himself right

(13:50):
like the AI told him to kill himself. That's the case.
I think there's definitely an experimentation going on right now
that they maybe don't care what happens. It can have
a demoralizing effect. I know from an article I read
earlier this week. It was about how the government had
just spent like eighty million dollars or something with Microsoft,

(14:15):
Elon Musk, who was it, Google, all the big AI
companies to implement a system of AI research, which apparently,
according to the article, they have already been using in
all of the major intel agencies, relying wholly on AI
to do research for them, which my thought was okay.

(14:37):
So either they are relying on the same shitty research
and false information that is coming up that we're getting,
or the really good research stuff already exists and they're
keeping it from us, so we keep getting messed with
with a stupid one, which I think is probably more
likely the case.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, dude, and god le man, I
think I even looked up my friend sent me this study.
I'm try and pull it up here real quick. And
my friend it is one of the guys I work with,
but he's he's really into chat GPT. He's going through
paramedic school and for those folks that are new to
the show, like, I'm a paramedic fireman, so it's a

(15:17):
big part of our job. And he goes to chat
GPT a lot with for as a resource, right to
help him with anything that he can't understand, you know,
trying to learn medicine. I mean, because it's it's like
a whole other language.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
It's decent for some of that as long as you
like approach it with caution and you verify, you.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Know, right, right, well, real quick, I have to make
tell the system I'm not a robot. But this is
a peer reviewed study and says your brain on chat
GPT accumulation of cognitive debt when using an AI assistant
for essay writing tasks. But it goes into talking about

(16:01):
basically how your brain through a pathophysiological effect, right, like
we know that. How I kind of explain to people
that aren't familiar with the term pathophysiology is basically, when
you take an unnatural source and you and you you
you interact it with the body, the body goes through

(16:21):
this response. Right. So for example, whatever smoking, right, smoke
goes into your lungs, it's not what it was naturally
created and intended to inhale per se. Right, that's why
you cough and all this kind of stuff, right or whatever.
But the body goes through like a pathophysiological effect with that,

(16:44):
and it goes through a response. Well, the same thing
is happening with your brain and chat GPT, So your
brain is going through these unnatural responses and it's changing
the chemistry. It's it's it's honestly really starting to lower
IQ hues. It's starting to dumb people down all of that.
It's and it's it's doing it in a way because

(17:08):
your brain is chemically becoming imbalanced. You know, it's unnatural.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Just just say, yeah, it's a it's like a reliance
on I mean that makes me think of like TikTok
and and shorting shortening attention spans, uh with with the
short videos.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah yeah, and the overloading of dopamine and all of
this or whatever. I mean, it can we can go
on and on about it. I wanted to get your take, man. So,
so you cover a lot of propaganda, you cover a
lot of news, a lot of current events. Uh, what
has uh, what's on the what's on the on the
table this week? Right? We know that there was a

(17:46):
shooting I think going on. I forget exactly where it was.
Forgive me, I've been, Yeah, the one in New York.
You know, what are your thoughts with all of these
these new source of information that we're getting. I mean,
it seems like a lot of propaganda's is being promoted.

(18:06):
I see anything that really mainstream or whatever whatever they
push out seems to be propaganda led.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Well, yeah, so Edward Burnet is going to take it
back like a one hundred years.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
He was.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
A propaganda's for the government and for the business world
for like five decades. Very very creepy guy. Sigmund Flreyd's nephew,
and he created the term public relations because after the
first major large scale propaganda campaign that was done during
World War One to swing the public in favor of
a war that they didn't want to get into in

(18:41):
the US, propaganda got a bad because it was revealed,
like today, some of this stuff, some of the manipulations
would be revealed. So they had he had to change propaganda,
which he saw is a good thing, into public relations.
And so he he says in his book, and I
recommend a book called Crystallizing Public Opinion that he wrote

(19:03):
in nineteen twenty three, which, according to Brenees himself, Hitler
relied on to create his propaganda campaign in Germany and
during before World War Two, which brene says and he
brags about in his autobiography, which is an interesting thing
to brag about. But in that book he says, the

(19:26):
news basically doesn't happen, it's created, and he that's the
whole theme of it. The news is created. And an
example of that is his Flames, I think his Flames
of Freedom or something like that, where he popularized smoking
for women. He was working with the tobacco company and
he often crossed over. He worked with tobacco company and

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the government, like he helped overthrow a democratically elected president
in Guatemala, working with the CIA and working for United
Fruit together. And so he gave all these women because
he was trying to sell cigarettes for this company, and
he got all these women together and game cigarette. Well,

(20:07):
first he said, he said, hey, aren't you upset about
the taboo against you smoking cigarettes? Are you tired of
being treated this way by these men who won't let
you do what they do? You know, just really amping
these actors up. Basically that he's getting and he gives
them cigarettes, and he tells them to go walk in
this I think it was like Easter parade or something.
It's either Easter or Independence Day is one of the two.

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And then he said, what's gonna happen after you? He said,
get your boyfriend to come with you, because he wanted
there to be like like there was a man there
that was allowing it. You know, they're doing it in
defiance of the man who they are with, and walk
in this parade and shatter this taboo against women smoking.
And then you're gonna have reporters come up to you.

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And when they come up to you, here is what
you say. And what he told them to say was
the headline, and it was something about of freedom, and
I can't remember exactly what it was, but that happened,
and all these major publications came up and asked them,
they delivered the line, and then the next day, all
over the country, all the headlines were exactly what he

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told them to say. So the news of that day
was created for the purpose of selling cigarettes. And then
eventually that kind of started to change the culture or
around that. But that is how I see all of
the news working. Real things happen, obviously, but you know,
it's often curious why one shooting gets more attention than another,

(21:34):
you know what I mean, right, even if circumstances aren't,
I mean, maybe just as weird. It's because one of
them serves an agenda that's going on at the moment
and the other one doesn't. So something's not going to
get covered just to get covered. It's going to get
covered when it fills or fuels whatever narrative is being

(21:56):
driven at the moment, at least that they hope that
it would feel that narrative, which can lead to real
events happening and being covered and then false flag type
events or PR type stunts creating certain news. So that's
what I see is going on that shooting. I don't
My presumption is like I don't know what's real or

(22:16):
not anymore. It probably happened, of course, things could be
staged and whatnot, but I have no way of knowing
that if I wasn't there. So for the sake of
people who might have died, I try to presume that
it happened with an awareness of that there are false
flags and whatnot, and I just try to look at
it through Okay, what purpose are they trying to serve

(22:37):
by highlighting the story and that particular shooting. I'm unsure yet.
I thought it was very weird that it was like
a CTE thing. They said he was mad at the
football league and then he went to the building where
Blackstone is on and he killed himself on the thirty
third floor. And there's an NFL person and a Jewish
lady from Blackstone that. I mean, it's it's trad like

(23:00):
for their families. It's that, but it's just like that's
a weird set of circumstances to kind of wrap my
head around. I'm not sure what to make of that one.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, it's it's wild, man. There's so many weird things.
And I really think you have a good you have
a good algorithm that you're using when you're processing this information.
I like what you said, you know, like you know,
you're thinking of different questions, you know, pertaining to the
material rather than the obvious questions. You're trying to figure out,
like how is this to persuade me in some way? Right?

(23:33):
Like what is the overall purpose of this? And I
really think at some point there's a big thing is
they like to promote fear for some reason, and they
like to build up emotions because how can you manipulate
someone at the highest potential, Well, you get them really
emotional because they make irrational decisions. Right. A lot of

(23:55):
it was like just for example, nine to eleven, right,
I mean, America got crushed, and the way the news
was pushing out all the information America was like, we
need to come up out of the ashes, and we
need to build up and come together and coming to
know about it all. Really, our government was involved, and

(24:15):
the Pentagon was involved a lot of other people were
playing factors in all of this kind of stuff. But
it manipulated us to be okay to go to war
and to go through whatever, a fifteen year war in
the Middle East, and to take over what was it
five or seven countries pretty much.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
I remember people quitting school. I think it was like
my first year of college, and I remember being in
the cafeteria and a guy I knew was like, I'm
joining the military like right then, and he left. And
I'm sure that happened all over the country because of
that emotional response to what happened. And that's exactly you're right,

(24:54):
that's short circuiting the thinking and getting people while they're
still emotional, and Burne's writes about that too. He writes
about the the pugnacious aspect of the way he talks
about fighting. You get people emotional, then you can get
them to fight with each other. Then that can get
the attention to an issue that you want to highlight

(25:17):
in the news. And then going back to not that
Seligman guy, but another guy that Epstein funded the work
of at Harvard University. He I don't know if you've
seen that thing where it's Epstein's chalkboard. Yes, so I
did a show where I showed where those words came
from in research.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Is this in his deposition or something?

Speaker 2 (25:38):
No, well, you're talking about the names of these guys
the chalkboard.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, where it was like all these kind of cryptic
little things.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yes, that was something that somebody sent James O'Keeffe and
he put it out there. He says that I don't
really trust James O'Keeffe that much, But well, I was
looking at the chalkboard. My first question about the chalkboard
was is that really his chalkboard? I have no real
idea if it is. Then I started looking at the

(26:05):
video and I think it probably is. And then when
I was like comparing it to the research I had
done based on the brainwashing. Essentially Epstein funded like these
four scientists who all helped him get that deal, who
basically together would be like Edward Burnet's wet dream of
brainwashing science. You know, they're very like anti religion. Trust

(26:28):
the science they pioneered that one of them did, which
is another one, was giving recommendations on how to coerce
people into taking the COVID JAB And this guy he
had he did research on time So on not chalkboard
it says time delay on the right side of it.
On the bottom that's and time delay is a word

(26:49):
a phrase is mentioned like thirty eight times in this
one guy's research that Epstein funded. It also was funded
by the government. By the way, that's why you're never
going to hear any real Epstein stuff is because to
expose Epstein really and the people he's connected to, like
these guys should be subpoena they won't be, is to
expose themselves and they're deep entanglements with Epstein and funding

(27:11):
the same type of work that he does. And so
I think all this other stuff about that is a
distraction away from what the real the shore is, you.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Know, dude. I mean we're we're fighting againstops within syops.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Absolutely, dude, it truly is, and they want to keep
you emotional so you don't look past that first layer
of it. But time delay, in the context of what
that chalkboard and this research is if you force people
into making decisions quicker, they will make They will they
You'll get them to cooperate and do what you want,
You'll get them to conform. If you force them or

(27:47):
allow them to have more time, they will start to
deliberate and they will start to use the thinking brain,
which they absolutely don't want people using. And I just
thought that was interesting. It was on Epstein's chockboard research
Harvard that he funded, And I think it will rates
to what you're saying about the emotional.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, the emotional response, because in some way, you know,
if I if I if I was to push you
from the first yard line all the way to the
ninety nine yard line, you would know that I'm pushing
you if I put my hands on you. But if
I did it in a way to where you walked
there right then you would not even have any idea
of my existence.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Dude, That that is That is exactly the goal of propaganda.
It's to get people to choose to take actions that
could very well be against their best interests for the
sake of those pull the strings.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Right right now, the gentleman that you talked about with
the book Crystallizing Public Opinion, does he have any other affiliate? Like, like,
what do you know anything about his family? Like where's
his family today? You know, like is there any connections
that they have?

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, yeah, his his so his uncle was Sigmund Freud
and now his nephew is the guy who started Netflix.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Oh yes, I've heard of this.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, I can't. I can't remember which one what his
name is off the top of my head. But what
Netflix is a propaganda machine? It has some good shows,
But like.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
I really wonder if Netflix, if you like, trace some
sort of if you kind of decipher it or in
some way, if we got Donut on and he's ciphered
just you know, deciphered Netflix and went to the etymology
of it, it would probably come out to be like
sa haha, deceiving you or something like that, right what
we're saying whatever, it would be like wild man, I

(29:36):
guarantee it man, And it's and with the movies today,
how what other better way to push emotional imbalance and
propaganda on the public, right. I mean, you can do
it while they're at home, sitting comfortably in their couch, right,
rather than always trying to push propaganda over news or events,

(29:59):
you know, taking.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Oh yeah, so it's not always directed in your face.
I mean, it's definitely can be a subtle like through
the film themes and stuff like that. But Berne's himself
connecting to the Netflix aspect of that is he wrote,
and I think it's this book Propaganda he he wrote
about he was excited about the rise of cinema and
he I don't I'm gonna butcher the exact phrasing of it,

(30:24):
but he said something like it gives you the ability
to whisper in somebody's ear and communicate to the whole
world through through that medium. And uh, Netflix is certainly
something that he would have been very excited about. And
I think our phones being in our pocket. They call
they call him points of contact within channels of propaganda.

(30:45):
It's like a point of contact. Is it's just like
an advertising a bus that drives by there's an advertisement
on there that's a point of contact to influence, and
then you have a bathroom wall. I mean anywhere you're
getting information in the world. So basically everywhere is a
point of contact, but active points of contact now are
in our pockets and on our screen, so they can
reach us in far more ways than somebody like Brene's,

(31:09):
especially with social media and stuff ever, could have imagined.
So that's why it's like a balance of good and bad.
But those are some of those indirect ways that might
not even be news related that you're being and those
are really gonna be the more effective ones. You know,
you go, you turn on Netflix, you fall asleep, and
you're subconscious? Is it basically listened to gay porn? Under

(31:30):
the guys with a new television show. It's crazy. There
was like a show I can't remember what it was called,
but it was like it was like the premise was
like an aspiring stand up comic, A Stalker follows Us
the based on the real life true story, and I
watched like two episodes of it and I'm just like,
I just watched two dudes in a shower for forty

(31:51):
five minutes. This is gay porn. What is going on?
Why did I have this on for so long just
thinking it was gonna end? And of course the show
wins awards and the guy it's terrible.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Right right, it's it's crazy man, It's crazy man. What
so So, with all these things taking place, with all
these psyops happening, at least from you know, within a
ten year window, why do you think kind of and
this is a really big generalized question, but why do
you think? Where do you? Where do you? Where do

(32:25):
they want us to be in ten years? Do you
think as a country.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Psychologically conforming subservient? I think we can look back to
the COVID era you kind of see the way that
they they treat or treat people who don't just accept
what they're being told. There is that. The Harvard research

(32:53):
of the guy who gave the recommendations, naxs Martin Novak.
He his research is on the evolution of cooperation, which
is basically how to get people to comply and then
how to minimize defectors, as he calls it, because his
position is that for society to evolve. According to all

(33:14):
the research he's done, over all the Epstein funded research
he did from Epstein funded this guy from the nineties
to twenty eighteen after he got out of this guy
was sneaking Epstein around at Harvard after he got out
of prison the first time and hiding that where the
money came from. It's crazy. And so he believes that
society evolves through a combination of biological processes like Darwin,

(33:38):
but with a main driver of it being a cooperation.
And he thinks that's true with plants, with everything in existence,
and therefore for society to evolve there must be cooperation,
which when you then read the conversations, these elites have
something called the Edge Foundation, which is they have these
Billionaire Dinners. It would call them the Billionaire Dinners, the

(33:59):
World Dominator Dinners. This is a group that Epstein funded
also who's the main funder of and you had to
be invited to this stuff is basically just like, how
do we get the plebes to just do what we
want them to do for the purposes of us evolving
to something better? And it kind of gets towards that
trans transhum humanism aspect of it. But I believe that

(34:21):
ultimately the goal is to just minimize people who are
who ask too many questions.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yeah, no, that's a that's a really good point, you know,
and the transhumanism thing is like really crazy, right, You've
got Peter Tiel, You've got you've got all these other
people that are starting to develop and and and build
these AI systems, which I mean will be used for
surveillance at some point. And I feel like not only

(34:50):
for surveillance purposes, but I also feel because well you
mentioned it earlier, like with Google, like people are going
to become so docile at some point to where they
want to just go to the source, whatever that source
may be, could be AI to help them navigate their lives,
to help them make decisions for them. And people started

(35:11):
to detach, they start to lose their own agency for
their own person right, Like they no longer like like, yes,
they can make their own decisions, but that's not their
first option, Like they're not they're not going to They
don't trust themselves exactly exactly. And I think that's a
big part of our humanity because I think at the

(35:32):
end of the day too, like podcasts like Yourself or shows,
and you know, when we talk about these concepts, we're
we're trying to like fight for like the freedom for
humanity like because we know it ethically and more you know,
morally at the end of the day, that that's what
we're still holding on to. And at some point, some
point part of the agenda they're trying to detach us

(35:54):
from that because it's you know, like if you're a
farmer and you're running a far arm and you're controlling
the animals because you have the authority and the dominion
over the ecosystem, right, you feed them, you give them water,
you do all this stuff. You're the ultimate authority over
their life. That's that God complex, right you know.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah, that so that that makes me I mean, that's
like the type of h I keep going back to
Epstein because it's just on the front of my mind
and it's in the news. But uh, the research with
this Sky Lawrence Cross k R A U s s
uh uh not C. I don't I don't know why
I have to. I don't know if I'm saying the
names of these guys, right, they're all like one of them.

(36:38):
They all sound German to me, honestly, when.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
You're all reptiles anyway.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah, so this guy is someone who Epstein funded his work. Also,
he funded the this guy created He organized like an
anti gravity not not anti gravity, but like we don't
like gravity, how to fight grat like the gravity theories
on Epstein Island in two thousand and two that Stephen

(37:04):
Hawking attended, and that some unnamed people from CERN attended,
And then Epstein funded this project called the Origin Project
at Arizona State University in two thousand and three and
he put this guy, Lawrence Cross as ahead of it.
Now now, Cross his other claim to fame is that
he first came up with a theory about dark energy

(37:28):
existing everywhere in the universe that we that we are
unaware of, and then that was like confirmed later and
some people want to Nobel Pressens, by the way back
to the chalkboard says dark brain on the bottom right
of it, And I'm pretty certain that that's a reference
to Cross his work of dark energy. But the parallel
of the brain being like the universe and there's like

(37:49):
sixty to eighty percent of the circuits in the brain
don't respond to external stimuli and it's unknown exactly what
those circuits are capable of. I think this connects transhuman
humanism evolution idea, and I think that's what that's a
reference to. I'm that chalkboard is the dark, dark universe,
dark energy, dark brain, and so cross these things that

(38:11):
this ASU Origin project did would bring Neil, Neil Degrass, Tyson,
Stephen Hawking. They would have these symposiums as I referenced earlier,
that were the pioneers of the anti god. Get separate
from the family, trust, the science, we are your authorities
culture that we saw kind of peak during during COVID,

(38:33):
and I think that connects to what you're you're talking
about here is they want to be the gods. They
want to be the ones who direct people's actions, and
that that is some of the research that I think
that they're pursuing. And how to do that is they
don't want people to trust. Like if there's a god
that people trust more than the government, are more than

(38:55):
these authorities, then that god is going to be more
of an influence over those people, just as their families
will be if they have a family. Then these scientists
and these governmental authorities who want to be that north star.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yeah, no exactly man, And I probably am butchering this,
but you'll hear some of these big wig wig elites,
you know, for example, I think it's Henry Kissinger, but
he even said a quote. I'm not going to repeat
the whole quote because I don't really remember it, but
it was basically like, you know, I am a god.
And when when if someone's saying that and they're expressing

(39:31):
that they truly believe that. I think that's you know,
because what you know, what sits in the heart, you know,
the mouth professes. And so when when these people that
are you know, have their foot in the door and
then they're actually really controlling a lot more than we
really think in the world, and they're saying these things, Well,
what's the what's the pyramid scheme look like? Right? You

(39:54):
know what corporations are we thinking about that are also
affiliated with this? And like there's a hierarchy system. So
so if these people are up here, well then they've
got affiliates blow them, right, it's a pyramid scheme, and
then they've got other affiliates below them, and the people
below these people, like these elites, they don't know the

(40:15):
real agenda. They're just kind of doing they're doing what
feels good, or they're just kind of running the protocol.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
For pay too.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
They're getting paid, dude, they don't care. And a lot
of things. A lot of things are moved through the
system because of money, because people love money and people
will do bad things for money. We know that. I mean,
look at the Epstein stuff, like this guy was really
really wealthy and he was funding a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
We have no idea where's many came from, but we
do know that he was wealthy and he was controlling
these people, all these scientists. When you look into what
was going on, he was definitely in charge because he
was funding their careers.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Yeah, that's crazy. So let's let's get into this a
little bit. And I'm excited to kind of touch on
this topic with you. So the Epstein stuff, with the
administration that we have in it's like going back to propaganda. Yeah,
I know, I know it's crazy, but but but they
they beat us to crap. And for four years, right,

(41:15):
the bad cop came in and you know, wrecked the
interrogation suspect. And then now you know, we've ushered in
this new administration and everything was sounding like, oh, you know,
like such good cop, right, But really, when what we're
seeing being passed, you know, the big beautiful bill, the

(41:36):
Genius Act, all of the AI infrastructure and the groundwork
that's being played out a lot. I just have I
have so many. I was calling this a long time ago.
I said that Trump, all these people, they're all working
for the same bird. They're all part of the same cabal. Right,
you know, what are your thoughts with the Epstein list

(41:58):
and our administration and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Well, it's not a secret that Trump's name has been
on these on court documents. There's thousands of pages of
Epstein court documents that are publicly available to be read
through years ago. When I first started researching this in
like twenty sixteen, when he first ran, my presumption was like, oh,

(42:23):
we got pedophile versus like pedophile, And so I researched
it and Trump comes out looking far better in the
documents than Clinton does. I did speak with the lawyer
who is not he's come out and done an MSNBC
interview recently and like me, is like, it's going to

(42:44):
be crazy if he actually gives Maxwell a pardon. You know,
unless a thousand people frog marched, a thousand pedophiles are
frog marched, that's the only acceptable conclusion, and that's not
gonna happen. But it was the lawyer of like nine
ten of the victims, not the one that Epstein hired.

(43:05):
Epstein hired one of the lawyers for the victim for
the victims in one case, which is crazy, so you
could control the case. Literally the lawyer was hired by
Epstein in one of the cases. But this other guy,
Bradley Edwards, and he told me that Trump was the
only person who didn't like Dodge deposition and that he
didn't see any evidence that Trump was involved in it.

(43:26):
And now that doesn't mean that there's not evidence to
exist of something, and it is certainly questionable his his
past relationships. But what I've seen in court documents, Trump's
name is there because he's questioned. The depositions are questioning
did Donald Trump give you massage? Which the answer was no.
In Virginia Guphreys, which was used to be Virginia Roberts.

(43:50):
When you research in Virginia Gufrey, you have to like,
remember her last name used to be Roberts, and so
it's Roberts and all the documents. So that's why she
cannot show up if you're searching us. But all there
is so many celebrities and people that were associated with
Epstein who he was putting himself around whose names come up,

(44:12):
like Chris Tucker, obviously, Kevin Spacey. I think a lot
of people know that one who they should be questioned,
and I'm sure they have at some point, or maybe
they haven't, but their names come up because these girls
that were victimized are being asked if they ever saw
them somewhere or if they had an interaction with him.

(44:32):
So it's not surprising that Trump's name is there. I
don't know what they're what they have that we haven't
seen that's being being covered up. I would I would
like to see it. We're not going to see anything.
We're going to see nothing. We were never going to
see anything. For a number of reasons, I've said this
even before Trump was was president. Black Mail material, if

(44:53):
somebody is in possession of it, is going to continue
being black mail material as somebody else gets possession of it.
It's just it's more useful to use it against people
in positions of influence than it is to have those
people in positions of influence behind bars. And you know,
until that person's influence is gone, you're not gonna you're
not gonna see anything about it. So all of this

(45:15):
stuff is a distraction, it'll be absurd. Maybe he's gonna
extract Glayne back to Israel or not, you know, back
to Masad. I think she was the handler of Epstein. Absolutely.
Her dad, I'm sure you guys are are aware, was
in my five di Mysteriously he was given a funeral
in Israel. There's much Massad agents at the funeral. I'm

(45:35):
not guessing the apple falls too far from the tree
there when it comes to that. So she seems to
me as the one who was pulling the strings there,
which I think for me makes sense why she's still
alive and why Epstein is maybe dead. I think he's
probably been extracted somewhere. Sure, sure to some island, but
the only the list of people who should be subpoened

(46:00):
that will not be. So if you see anything that happens,
and I can show you the document, if.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
You want to see it, yeah, let's run it.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yeah, let me get it up here. So this document
is a let's just show the whole thing. It's actually
courts from pacer this There's been pieces of this document
that I've been putting on the internet for like nine years.
That's getting so real quick.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
This document, what's it called it's.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
A plea letter, okay, and it was written by Alan Derschwitz.
And so this is the document where the story about
Jeffrey Epstein helping to create the Clinton Global Initiative came from.
And people know that fact, and they've seen that little
paragraph which is like, it's like up here somewhere, yeah Clinton.

(46:48):
Clinton described Epstein as committed philanthropist with a keen astute
global market blah blah blah, Epstein sponsored. There's just a
bunch of This document is an intimidation document that is
the designed to say, look at all the powerful friends
that Epstein has. If you want to continue taking this
to trial, this is what you're going to be dealing with.
Or you can take what little of the deal will

(47:09):
offer while we're still willing to offer, and shortly after
this the plea deal will sign. This is the document
that god Epstein the deal. And nobody ever tells people
that when it comes to the Clinton thing, the people
who lent their names, there's only five people specifically whose
names are are mentioned in this document. Clinton is one
of them, and then these four scientists that I've been

(47:30):
mentioning and yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
This is awesome, bro. By the way, this is awesome.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Cool, Yeah, I do you like it? Martinovic, the guy
who I was talking about the cooperation, evolution of a cooperation,
the guy who made COVID recommendation, who is sneaking Epstein
around after Epstein got out the first time. That's a
common thread here. Three of these four scientists right here
all continued to take money from Epstein after he got
out of prison. Before and after they all supported him.

(47:58):
Novak actively was trying to rehabilitate Epstein's image after he
got out the first time. He snuck him around the
Harvard ped Center PED. Some people point to that it's
a program for evolutionary dynamics. It's got founded by Epstein,
and Harvard used to have this on their website, which
you can read this and a document that Harvard has

(48:20):
on their website right now about an investigation into Epstein's
ties to it, so you can verify that information. Epstein
founded the Program for Evolutionary Dynamics on the condition that
he put Martin Novak, who he called his favorite scientist
who's work he funded from the nineties to twenty eighteen.
He put him as the head of that program, moved
the facility for off campus, had his own office there,

(48:42):
would give Novaka list, go get all these people. I
want to talk to these people who work at Harvard,
and go. He was like his secretary. The guy who
was supposedly the head of the program doing the research
was like Jeffrey Epstein's secretary. And Epstein would have like
parties there on the weekends with it says that the
Harvard document says with a twenty year old girl, he
just make out the girls in front of these It's

(49:03):
crazy the stuff that he would do there. And this
guy was keeping his visits a secret because Epstein was
still paying the rent on the building and he was
still funding his research, so he he needed Epstein to
get out because Epstein he was dependent on him for
his work and his position, and that makes sense why
he would lend his name to a document that you

(49:25):
can find through. You can't find this full document to
a Google search. That's why most people have never seen it.
You have to use pacer. You have to do like
a legal public document search. And I was directed to
this by by the lawyer of the victims like nine
years ago, and every time I put it online, my
website gets deleted or he gets taken.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Down for you bro right, for real.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
So so that's the guy doing the cooperation research the
evolution and these guys are all associated with edge dot org,
which Epstein's funds, probably where he met him through and
then this, uh, we'll go back Roger Snack here leading
researcher in the application of cognitive learning through this paragraph
starts for those listening, by the way, in the past
four months alone, Epstein has made grants to research programs

(50:09):
at major institutions under the supervision of some of the
high most highly regarded research professionals and scholars in their fields,
including and then Martin Novak and you lists the other guys,
and then down here it says the institutions that he's
founded funded. Institutions funded include Harvard University, Penn State, Lenox Hill,
a biomedical research and education foundation. And going back to

(50:30):
the chalkboard, there's one part of it that says it
says music and then there's a slash. I'm pretty sure
the word is brain. It just looks like you read
it sideways. He also funded the Harvard's Medical School Schools
Institute for Music and Brain Science, which that's that's gonna
be uh, you know, what music does to the brain,
the you know, could put people into trance and stuff

(50:50):
like that. I would like to know more about that research.
But this guy, Roger Snack here he he was an
early pioneer in AI who believed that the best way
to develop AI is to make AI teach to do
training simulations, immersive training simulations. And the government liked what

(51:11):
he did and they He ended up working with the
Department of Defense for years to do military training simulations,
and he also worked for DARPA. He did research with DARPA.
It's worked on a number of classified stuff. That stuff
that the government worked with him on, same stuff that
Epstein funded Martin Nooviac cooperation, same stuff funded by the

(51:35):
government at the same time that Epstein was was funding it.
Then you come down here to Lawrence Cross as the
guy who's telling you about the cosmologist and the physicists,
the trust, the science guy. He he was Obama's science
policy guy on his two thousand and eight campaign. And
this is after this is after this document came out.

(51:56):
He was he was hired by Obama after helped Epstein
get that deal. And he's one of those guys that's
on that group that he was that does the doomsday
clock predictions? Oh yeah, yeah, and so then come up here.
And all of these guys helped Epstein by the way.

(52:18):
Lawrence Cross, after Epstein got out the first time, was
asked about his relationship with Epstein, and he said that
his life has not been hurt by his relationship with Epstein,
has been uplifted by his relationship with Epstein. He continued
to defend Epstein until he got accused of sexual harassment
himself in twenty eighteen, and his program at ASU was

(52:40):
shut down. And he's alive still, but he lives. His
reputation has been damaged. Schnack he died in twenty twenty three,
but he wrote in a book in two thousand and
five that he was also Epstein's neighbor and he also
organized can't remember what the meeting he organized on his
island was, but he organized one there too. He wrote

(53:02):
that Epstein that lives the type of life that all
men dream of living. And I can't remember the word
he used, but what he says is and without morals
getting in the way. And he visited Epstein in prison
the first time he was there. He got money before
and after Cross got money before and after. So all
three of these guys defended Epstein got money before and after,

(53:23):
which makes sense why they would lend their name willingly
to a document that helped Epstein get the sweetheart deal. Now,
that's why, that's the question you asked Bill Clinton. People
have talked about Bill Clinton and the Clinton Global Initiative,
but that's not the right question. He can just it's
the context of why his name was used. He's never

(53:43):
come out afterwards and condemned the fact that his name
was in this document, because he's never been asked about
his name being in this document. Because people don't know
what this document is. They just know some of the
info from it. Right, And then you come up here
and you go to that this is the most interesting
one right here. Martin Seligman. Martin Seligman, which known for
his positive psychologist. This is a guy who's a learned

(54:03):
helplessness theory with MK ulture back back in the sixties
at UPenn CIA interrogation program was based.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
On his work.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Who A couple more interesting facts, the Ted Kazinski's work
was based. His book based up partly on his work,
according to Ted Kazinski's writing himself, and there was also
he inspired the work of an Australian research or another

(54:32):
cognitive brain a guy, a behavioral modification guy over there
at the same time that we had sent our mk
ulture guy over to Sydney at the University of Sydney.
I think it was to do mk ultrre work over there.
This guy is working underneath that guy, you know, same
type of theme. And this guy actually ended up writing

(54:54):
the forward to one of Seligman's books in like two
thousand and maybe I can't remember the exact date, but
he later died in twenty fourteen. The doctor I'm speaking
of in Singapore under mysterious circumstances after he was accused
in Australia. He had just been accused of doing the
exact same type of Experimentsgan was doing on the dogs,

(55:17):
except on children. He was accused of torturing children for
experimental purposes. And his name is Anthony Kidman. I don't
know if not last name rings a bell, but Nicole
Kidman's father wo And so all of these guys connected
to Seligman, to Epstein, to the work that was being

(55:37):
researched and then known for his work in positive psychology.
In two thousand and three. Also in two thousand and
three he founded at U Penn, So Harvard ASU and
U Penn. He funded the origin of all of these
programs that these guys all became the head of that
are in this document Segman's Positive Psychology Center at U Penn.

(56:01):
It is it's brainwashing, is what is so? A year
after Epstein got out after this doctor two years out
in two thousand and nine, I think it was either
a year two years after Seligman's name is in this document.
Seligman was given a thirty one million dollars no bid
contract by the military to conduct psychological experiments on the army.

(56:22):
It was an experiment that at the time and still
it's considered to be to be unethical and to be
against Nuremberg Code because the soldiers didn't know what was
going on, there was no informed consent, they couldn't n
opt out of it, which is you're not supposed to
do that, And were bragged at the time about how
this is going to be the biggest psychological data collection
profiling effort ever that's ever done. And it's believed that

(56:45):
he was given that deal because of all of his
long history of consulting with the CIA, consulting with the DoD.
But this is the work that Epstein funded, the origin
of the center that got all the mud. They got
thirty million dollars from the government a year after Epstein
gets his sweetheart deal with the help of the guy
who's getting the money to head up the whole operation.

(57:08):
And what the operation was was that it was a
psychological resiliency training and testing. So you do these tests
that identify, to put it simply, which people are more
likely to conform and just follow the orders without question.
You get a high psychological resiliency score there, and which
people are going to maybe question the commands of their authority,

(57:32):
and you get a lower when they're And then you
create like policies around how do you deal with either
you get them out of the military or how do
you deal with these how do you brainwash this group
into becoming more like this group? And also how do
you make following your authority without question a virtue? How
do you get people to overcome the psychological resilience psychological

(57:55):
resistance to killing to where they see killing as a
virtuous act that was the moral thing to do. And
how do you get people who are possibly at risk
of suffering PTSD to come back and do another combat
tour because they believe it's the moral and right thing
to do, to go kill people. And it's called brainwashing,

(58:18):
not by me, by his colleagues in the science community.
It's he He's already considered the most one of the
most unethical experiments of all time is to learn helplessness
torturing of the dogs. That's like in every single if
you every single article about unethical experiments psychological experiments, that

(58:39):
one is right in the top five, every single one
of them. And he's so he has that obvious willingness
of corruptibility, I would say, of morals not getting in
his way, just like the guy described with Epstein, which
I think is probably the type of people that Epstein identify,
people who thought they were above and better than everybody
than the poleeps and this guy right now. This is

(59:01):
why this is the most interesting one. I don't know
if he took money from Epstein after he got out.
Based on the pattern of the other three, my assumption
is that he has, but he's never been questioned about it,
not once. Is he published the only connection you can
find with him and Epstein before Epstein or is before
Epstein went and it's an edge magazine where he's bragging
about his friendship with Epstein. It might be out there

(59:24):
a little more now because I've been talking about on
a lot of shows, but with Sam and Austin a
bunch of other people, So hopefully it is get him
out there. But this guy right now, they have these
academic rankings of influence right now, this guy is ranked
the number one most influential psychologist in the world right
now because he's currently still the head of the UPenn Center,

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a positive psychology center, and it's currently getting it's There's
a project being funded by the DOJ right now called
the World Happiness Experiment World Happiness Project. And they used
to call him doctor Happy when he was first starting
the military, which is it's very Orwellian to call the
guy brainwashing people doctor Happy. And so he's doing this
World Happiness study that basically is profiling or taking linguistics

(01:00:13):
analyzing off social media all the reactions and interactions to
people are having with the purpose of creating psychological resiliency
scores for people globally, not just in the military, but
applied and education applied in the business world, everywhere. You know,
as I said, higher psychological resiliency score, you're conforming and

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you're easy. Lower your problem. You're asking too many questions.
How do we use this to create policy? And this
is a guy who's making like recommendations at the DoD.
So that right there, to me is like, that's why
you're never going to see the Epstein files because it
exposes this guy. I call him the head of the
brain the US brainwashing industrial complex is still getting DOJ

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funded money to conduct a global experiment. And one more
thing about this guy, because.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
This is great, dude. You are steam rolling right now. Dude,
this great, dude. I have so many thoughts. This is great.
That's why I have a notepad.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Look at this right here, so you're talking about a
second again, this is him. This is a guy. He's
eighty two years old. So my position is that this
guy is far more powerful than any's sitting president or
to them, which is why they nobody's asked a question
because the document. I've had this document since twenty seventeen,

(01:01:32):
so it's not like you can't find out this information,
you know, but nobody's ever asked. So all three, even
these other guys, uh Novact he got he got his
program suspended in two thou at Harvard once it was
the investigation was and now he's back teaching at Harvard still,
but he suffered some reputational damage. So the Schnack suffered

(01:01:53):
reputational damage. Lawrence Cross suffered reputational damage. He got fired
from ASU, the only one. Even Clinton is tarnished his
reputation because of the association with Epstein, but never Martin Seligman.
He has only been given over one hundred million dollars
since Epstein got it, since he helped Epstein got it. It
seems he's been rewarded to the tune of being risen

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to the top psychologists on the planet and one hundred
million dollars and now a new kind of AI copy.
They're doing these studies about, you know, transhumanism. So how
do we transfer the knowledge of our authorities into an
AI so we can still benefit from them when they're gone.
Who's who's the model for this, Martin Seligman, Epstein funded you,

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pen head.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Wow, these guys want to rule forever.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Totally, dude, this is wild. Yeah, So that's my Epstein.
Uh focus right now is if you're not seeing this
guy on a subpoenal list, then it's not real.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Right, you know, it makes sense, man, especially with all
the gatekeeping that we see with the files and everything.
You know, I did have this thought, right, because what
we do, what we have to do, is I critically
think about this stuff and I don't want to fall
into what they they want me to think. The hidden
reason is of why they don't want to release them, right,

(01:03:18):
And I think that propaganda is that, oh, you know,
the people in administration are on the list, or these
people are on the list, and this is why it's
not being exploited and it's not being given to the
American people. I actually think it's because of other hidden
agendas that are coming down the line in the future. Right,

(01:03:40):
let's just say ten years from now, we see things
going you know, very interesting with AI, especially when you
hear the the year twenty thirty five and twenty thirty
you know, with Elon Musk and talking about artificial superintelligence
and what that's going to look like. Who knows what
the nations are going to be governed by at that point.
Maybe it could be governed by multiple AI systems. Why

(01:04:02):
are all the nations building these AI systems? You know systems.
If with with what you were showing there, it seems
like these people want to digitize themselves into these AI
platforms where they can rule and rain forever. I mean,
we see that in movies all the time, and I
really think, you know, especially with having Austin on too,

(01:04:23):
and you're coming in here, hot boy, and you guys
are really putting a lot of information that fits together
like a puzzle. But I'm even thinking that there's a
bigger agenda, in a bigger, sinister plan, maybe even a
satanic agenda with mk Ultra. From where it first started,
it's you know, when it first started, it's like a

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baby man. But I think mk Ultra is at its
point in our reality today to where it's a roaming
adult right and it's grown so much and it's changed,
and it hasn't stayed in a compart mentalized you know boundary.
It's dispersed into multiple different avenues in today. So my

(01:05:12):
thing is is I think that there is some sort
of some sort of agenda to where if they want
to build this hive mind system, like how do you
do that? Right? You know, well, you you get the
public to be you knows, desensitized to certain things. You

(01:05:32):
get them to be normalized to certain frequencies that we
weren't exposed to one hundred and fifty years ago. And
who knows if maybe some of these frequencies aren't triggers
or switches to where now some of these MK ultra
you know, plans can come to fruition and they could
be successful if you if you kind of get what

(01:05:54):
I'm saying. A lot of this stems back to a
twenty seventeen article by the Rockefeller Foundation, and it was
it was flipping a switch in the minds of rats
and where they were learning to control rats, especially based
off you know, they wanted to see how we would
know how they could control rats based off of their
glucose and their metabolism and all this and all that whatever.

(01:06:17):
But at the same time, and there was graphene involved
with all that, and who knows what's in our bodies
at this point, right, So my thing is is what
is really kind of what's the deeper plan with all this?
And as we get closer, we'll start to kind of
put more puzzle pieces together to where we can see

(01:06:37):
the picture and get an idea of what the artist
is drawing, right, this is wild. You know, why is
there so much like why is there spiritual aspects to
MK ultra, you know, like MK often and all these
other programs where maybe witchcraft is involved or the occult.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Yeah, I think an aspect of that is uh, it's
I mean, it's the brainwashing aspect of getting people into
a state of controllability, just different different mechanisms of that
and and creating something that is that that controllable north star,
you know, like the trust of science is gonna be

(01:07:21):
be the north Star, but in different aspects of the U.
The spirituality of it is get get you know, getting
people into certain groups because everybody's gonna have different uh
you know, no, they're gonna be pulled in different directions.
I knew somebody when I first started doing stand up
comedy is this girl and she was a she's a
Satanist and uh she was the nicest girl and she

(01:07:44):
she was a friend of mine. I used to ask
her ask her earlier. What I'd be like, what what
is that? Like why are you Satanist? And like what
is that? Even? And it was basically it was she
was just rebelling against uh, the overbearing religion that I
think her face. Family was kind of pushing them on.
She didn't like love Satan. She was just doing something

(01:08:05):
that you know, that went against he was rebelling. And
I think that you can use you can have these
with these predictable behaviors, especially in people of a certain age,
which Epstein would target, people who came from broken families,
who run drugs, who needed direction, and uh, then you

(01:08:26):
can kind of put something like Satanism as here's the
alternative to here's how you're gonna rebel. We welcome you in,
and then through that collection of people, you can then
put these ideas in there that might be a bit darker,
that was never really the intent of the person because

(01:08:46):
they weren't really thinking about it. They were just doing
the opposite, you know what I mean? Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Absolutely? Man? Absolutely, I follow you one hundred percent. And
I mean, like, why do we have brain chemistry science
to you know in involved in this. Why do we
have you know, music involved in this? And why is
the brain such a target, uh for for this plan
or for the elites? Like you know, I think it's

(01:09:13):
in some way too, Like you said, right, morals, if
if or if we could change the ethics and I always,
as I always compare this to the Georgia guidestones, right, yeah, yeah,
I actually wait and saw myself, did you. Yeah? Yeah,
with me and my buddy we went up there. We

(01:09:33):
we went up there to Elberton, Georgia or wherever it is.
I think that's where it's called. But yeah, this was
This was about four or five months before they got
blown up. And we're there and and we're standing at it,
and we're looking at the different you know, Sanskrit, there's
all English, there's all different there's like nine or eleven

(01:09:54):
different languages. It's you know, translated in there's a time capsule.
But we're reading it. And as we're reading it, me
and my buddy at the same exact time, we said
our response of what we thought of it. And I
was like, this sounds real bad. And he goes, oh,

(01:10:17):
this doesn't sound as bad as I thought, like we
just said, and I was like and I looked and
I was like really, and you know, I was like,
you know, what makes you say that? Well he's like, well,
if you think about it, like, you know, tactically, it
doesn't come off too bad. It actually sounds like it's

(01:10:39):
it's a good philosophy. But at the same time, I'm
over here saying, nah, I think it's bad and it
could be based off of you know, our personal beliefs
and stuff, But how else are they going to get
And if the guide stones are real, right, if this
is something that's going to come down the line in
the future to where this is kind of the construct
of how the world is run, you know, to to

(01:11:04):
to promote uh, you know, health and wealthiness and you know, survivability,
and you know that the fact that this is good
for not just you but for the planet. We see
that that kind of plays into some of this, you know.
I was like, well, why, how what makes you think
that it sounds good? And I think it can come

(01:11:26):
from just a moral you know, compass from inside of us,
maybe what we were taught when we were kids, or
the families we grew up in. But in order to
have people accept some sort of doctrine like that, I
feel they have to you know, program you, They've got
to push propaganda, They've got to.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Yes, it's just like Star Trek. Just like Star Trek.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
It's wild.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
I think, what what it's like? Why that one guy
that Epstein funded calls it the evolution of cooperation instead
of the evolution of compliance, because cooperation sounds like a
good thing, and it is a good thing in many circumstances,
but is you're putting lipstick on a pig, and they're
gonna they're gonna, you know, they're never gonna be like

(01:12:12):
the the evolution of how we dominate the plebs? Really,
you know what I mean? Uh, I think they're gonna
talk about it in ways that that they can, uh,
they can spend. And that's a major thing with propaganda too,
is is never concretely defining certain certain themes and and
we're like, really, democracy, like what is give me a

(01:12:33):
concrete example. If you give concrete examples of these words
that they use, they're called uh glittering generalities, I believe
is the term form U, then what you do is
you start isolating people and so you can't mobilize the
masses using these UH words that we've been programmed to
have emotional responses to and to lend importance to, even

(01:12:56):
though we've never really been given concrete definitions of what
exactly they are and what exactly they aren't. Because the
second you do that, the base of people you can
mobilize around, it shrinks significantly, and they can change the
meaning of words, as they often do. And I remember
like reading the guidestones, the stuff it's said on it,

(01:13:17):
and I was actually thinking like, oh, I can see
how people would spin this into being a good thing.
I can see what they're they're doing with the language manipulation.
But I can also see how it can be interpreted
as a very very bad thing for everybody who is
not them, you know, right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Right, And I think too a lot of the ways
that you know, just these people in our world, how
they they like to blend in through a facade of
you know, just fake er. What I mean is is
basically it looks like brick, but it's not brick.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Like AOC is not a bartender. Yes, yeah, Which that's
another one of those stories. This we have this psych
of news where it's like breaking news, and it's like,
that's not breaking. We were talking about that eight years ago.
It's just nobody focused on it. Then, why now like
this all this stuff about AOC. I did at least
three shows on on w one of them at least

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on WSB, like twenty eighteen when she first emerged on
the scene that I pulled up the records where she
came from. I showed her house, I showed showed her
I was like AOC. Well, she grew up in a
fairly wealthy community around mostly white people, and she was
She had three businesses while she was in school. She

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she had a resume, she had shared a media company,
started two other businesses. She had the kind of resume
that could have gotten her a job at any fortune
five hundred company in the world. And yet she's a
bartender from the Bronx. It's they create narratives, they like
whitewash the history, and they create a whole new person

(01:14:59):
for these people who were basically like literally actors like
Stacy Abrams literally was studying to be an actress at
a school she got accepted to, and her family associated
she's another creative, like everything about her is not real.
She just fits the group that they want to put
her in front of. And so AOC. She's a good
looking girl who can talk like she's from the Bronx,

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and then you can put her in front of this
group that she's the best person you believe to mobilize
her because they will see her as one of them.
Same thing with Stacy Abrams like none of their stories
they're so like all of their back backstories are much
more similar to somebody like Jeffrey Epstein or somebody grew
up wealthy and privileged than any of the people who

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they claim to be the representative of.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
Right right, So you ay, so you shared a that chalk.
Can you bring that up again?

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, totally, let's bring that up because
you mentioned brain.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
I was like, yeah, let's let's kind of let's break
this down for me, all right, and for folks on
audio head over to YouTube. That's good. You can't see
it on audio.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Therego it's got o'keeise thing on there, and it's not
the easiest to say, right, okay, So over here power
all right, and so you see in the left to
the left of power, says Finn, that's financial, and then
phy As that's physical, and then political or then intellectual,
then political, and so these are all so. Epstein was

(01:16:26):
a visiting fellow at Harvard in two thousand and five
and two thousand and six. Now, this is a program
that is for graduate students who are pursuing their PhD
who are hoping to get accepted to this program. So
they can use Harvard's resources to do independent research in
pursuit of that right, not for fifty two year old creeps. Nevertheless,

(01:16:48):
Epstein was accepted into this program despite having none of
the qualifications for it, because he had created that program
for evolutionary dynamics that he put Martin Novac as ahead of,
and Martin Novak helped him get in to this program,
and Epstein's six in his application for the program that
he'd be doing research with with Novak. I'll actually pull

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up the.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
It's so funny, I see I see the two pillars
there that kind of reminds me of Freemasonry a little bit. Yeah, right,
you know totally, I think too. In this image. You
know that everything is put in there specifically for a reason.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
You know, I completely agree. I'll show you after I
run through these other words. I'll show because some of
the stuff you're talking about, actually, I think you'll find
what Epstein's application says. So he had to fill out
an application to get into that Visiting Fellow program, which
he was in for two years. And the application, uh,
basically the second one is I'm interested in in like

(01:17:47):
the origins of power and all all of the various
tactics of deception and other tactics to get it. So
there's your deception reference. How do you use deception to
gain cooperation to gain power in pursuit? I think that's
plants to the right. Uh, it could be plants like
planning people in certain situations. I believe it's an ecological
reference to uh, evolution of plants, because that Novak guy

(01:18:09):
talks about plants cooperating also in the process of evolution. Uh,
that one, I'm a little I'm a little uncertain of
that one. But these are other ways of exercising power
over people of financial, intellectual, political down here. Mirror and
face is what that says below deception. Mirror and face
is a Now this is also research that Martin Novak

(01:18:30):
at Harvard did and Epstein funded research, and Martin Novac
gives that this talk at the Edge Foundation, Epstein's scientific
magazine for Lead City funded. Where As I said earlier,
he talks a lot more frankly about what he means
about evolution. How do we just get people to do
what we tell them? Type stuff? And one of what

(01:18:51):
he says during that basically is he talking about different
ways of using a reciprocity, uh in a form of manipulation.
And uh he says, basically, you're holding up through prisoner
dilemma game strategies, which he does all these uh Ai
experiments on. And uh, I think I think he conducted

(01:19:13):
experiments on on actual people. I think he did some
on children and how they cooperate more easily. In the
first what you do is you mirror what the person
you're trying to get to comply did in the previous
game they were involved in. You hold up a mirror
to them so that they see their face and so
that they are reacting to themselves, and you're more there's

(01:19:35):
I mean, there's been tons of studies, as a book
called Influence about how uh you know, you mirror people
that they're more likely to see you as like them,
and you're more likely to like them. And uh, that
is what he's talking about here. It's a reference to
a talk he gave you hold up. All you need
is a mirror and a faith, and the person has
a face and they think they're reacting to themselves. Therefore
you're more likely to gain cooperation.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
Oh yes, okay, yeah, and then.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
Go up here. U. I believe that says truth under
plants and wealth. I don't know what the word next
to wealth is, but appeer I think I'm almost certain
as a reference to evolution, the world appears as though
it were designed. And I believe this is because he
references a lot of this in his talk about his
theory on cooperation, you know, creating, uh, the the evolution

(01:20:22):
of a species in humans, and I think you you
gain cooperation using these tactics, and then the new and
better human will appear. Uh. That's my theory on that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Music and brain, that's music. I'm pretty sure that slashes brain.
I showed you the Harvard reference there a moment ago
and then time delay right there. That's the that's the
time delay mechanism, which we actually, I think see right now.
Everybody's short on time all the time, so you're making
quicker decisions. And that is very specifically studied, and in
the context of the Edge Foundation talk, not not even

(01:20:55):
the study where he mentions it forty times. It is
like the focus of the entire government funded study. He's
basically like, if you want, look, here's what you can do.
If you if you give people a short time span,
then they will cooperate. If you allow a time delay,
then you can get them to think things through. And
so he's very much given an instruction on how to

(01:21:16):
use time delays to the Edge Foundation people. And there's
the dark brain reference that I'm pretty sure is equating
the dark energy in the universe to the dark energy
in the brain. Another theory on that, but I'm pretty
sure this is the one because of the cosmology guy.
Is the decision making portion of the brain that Martin

(01:21:37):
Novak references in some of his studies that in one
of his studies he talks about if you damage this
portion of the brain, people cooperate better. So it's just
crazy and I and that part of the brain I
found is sometimes referred to as the dark brain, So
it could be any one of those references. It's not
I'm pretty sure it's not dank brain as some people think.

(01:22:00):
There for sure it's dark brain. But check out this
application now from we find the exact spot. So this
is the Harvard report on Epstein's connections. This is what
got Martin Novak fired briefly. You know, he's still back
there teaching. But yeah, this was published in twenty twenty

(01:22:22):
and so in Epstein's application. These are the things that
he said his research objective would be as a visiting fellow.
Mind you, that Novak guy was just bringing Epstein around
a bunch of young college girls after he knew he
was a convicted sex offender, which is kind of a
crat of itself.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
Okay, it's so funny too, how he is behind so
much of the funding at universities and different universities, because
when you think about it, there the universities are, you know,
they're the playing grounds of development and how to develop
new technologies and all this other kind of kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Yeah, it's a perfect recruiting ground.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
They said that when he came to fill out turn
in his application for this. In this document, it says
that he had two girls in their in their early
twenties that he called his assistant and he was behaving strangely,
just making out with him. I mean, it's just crazy,
all right. So that's why this is one of the
things that makes me strongly believe that Maxwell was the

(01:23:30):
leader of this, because he seems like a sex fiend
who can't help himself, who's controlled by it, like they say,
And and one of the I can't remember which might
it might have been this document, but he's They said
that Epstein would just walk into groups of scientists and
he go, they'd be talking and he go, what's this
have to do with? Like really, yeah, it's so it

(01:23:54):
was yeah, so here's I know, it's why this is
his first Oh wait, this is second application. Sorry, okay,
so here's his first application for his that he got approved. Obviously,
you know he didn't because he was given money. He

(01:24:14):
started giving money to like everybody after he got out
to trying to rebuild his reputation. But here was his
uh what he said his objective would be, I wish
to study the reasons behind group behavior, such as social
prosthetic systems and their relationship to a changing environment. That is,
other people can act as prosthetics and so far as

(01:24:35):
they augment our cognitive abilities and help us to regulate
our emotion and thereby essentially serve as extensions of ourselves,
I wish to understand how the brain both allows such
relationships to develop and how those relationships in turn take
advantage of key properties of the brain. And then, interestingly enough,
he said, what he needs resources if the theory can

(01:24:57):
be in fact tested rigorously. I would need to access
functional and access to a functional magnetic resonance imaging machine.
He needs an MRI and he's talking about the timetable.
He's going to formulate it that he's going to begin
to implement his experimentation. So if he followed this, then
he was doing experimentations possibly using an MRI machine, which

(01:25:19):
would be to see what the third because Novak talks
about this in his research. This is all stuff that
this guy Novac researches, Uh, the thermal imaging and the
heat transfer in the brain when people are put in
certain situations that make them cooperate. What's what's the mechanism
in the brain. So getting it down to that neuroscientific,

(01:25:41):
biological level, mathematical level, even that you referenced earlier. And
this is his second application, where is it? Okay Uh
justifying his second year in the program. My studies are
not complete as I am working on the intersection between
evolutionary very dynamics, social statistical mechanics, game theory, computational biology,

(01:26:05):
and synthetic biology, synthetic biology, gumanism in an attempt to
discover the mathematical underpinnings of competition versus cooperation included in
this as an attempt to formula formulize the efficiencies of
social prosthetic systems. First attempts have been to analogize, analogize
it to heat and energy transfers across variable resistance nodule networks.

(01:26:27):
It's neuro's neuroscience the brain. And then I'm further attempting
to find a derivation of power. Uh oh, who why
does everybody want it? In an ecological social system that
would include variables for reputation, trust, or awe and the
inherent strategically diverse tactics of deception. There's like half the
chalkboard right there.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
Right right. I was just thinking that, Yeah, it's all
kind of coming together and this this is work. Can
you find this online?

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
Oh yeah, this is on Harvard's website. I can can
send you links.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
And yeah absolutely, yeah absolutely, Yeah. That is very very
fascinating because you even mentioned earlier, right, they kind of
they scatter this information over the internet, so it's extremely
hard to find, and they kind of compartmentalize each thing, uh,
to make it hard. They don't put it all in

(01:27:18):
one story for you. You have to go out and
get it in little pieces and then put it, put
it together and almost you know, theorize it, but it's
not really theorizing because they both everything kind of goes
hand in hand out. And I've been doing this study
on like, you know, different types of quantum technology and
what the proble, what the possibilities of quantum technology can be,

(01:27:42):
and and what effect it can have on the body.
And there was something I was watching the other day.
Trump was on the news or they were doing some
sort of conference where doctor Oz was there, RFK was there.
Trump was there and other big you know, health proponents

(01:28:03):
of the ability, the guy from the w dot oh
and and I think one of the leading guys in
his administration for AI was there. And what they're talking
about is merging healthcare with the digital world, and then
merging into the digital world artificial intelligence. And this this

(01:28:24):
goes back to, you know, where RFK is talking about wearables. Now,
in four or five years, we're going to see every
American from birth, you know, having basically being stamped or
you know, applied to a wearable and where where everything
comes in this fashion of either peace and safety or

(01:28:45):
health or it sounds like it's doing something for good,
but really it's invading your privacy, it's and it's you know,
it's against certain liberties that you have. And getting into
the quantum technology stuff, you know, they break these things
up in multiple patents, like they don't just have one

(01:29:06):
patent for everything. It's like, you know, compartmentalized into fifteen
different patents. But when you connect all the patents together,
you understand and you look and you go, wow, okay,
this is all for like one huge idea. And when
I was getting into like, for example, and you've probably

(01:29:27):
heard of this patent that was created by Microsoft in
twenty nineteen, just before the events that took place in
twenty twenty March where everyone just lost focus of this
this idea of this document floating around the internet, which
it's a real patent. And it's funny, you know, because

(01:29:47):
we kind of talk about the mark of the Beast
here a little bit, and I say a little bit,
my audience is like, dude, too much. I'm like, all right, listen.
So but you know the fact that there's a patent
by Microsoft, it's you know, number is zero six, zero six,
zero six. I'm still trying to figure out maybe what
that kind of means. I think it breaks down into

(01:30:08):
like some sort of carbon material because carbon has six protons,
six neutrons, six electrons. I don't know. But it's talking
about a sensor and a user and the fact that
this sensor has the ability to process and transmit body
activity data. Right. And so when I and I'm taking

(01:30:32):
these little things that I know from the past and
seeing what they're saying now, you know, basically the future.
But that RFK is like, hey, we're gonna have wearables
that that monitors blood pressure, heart rate, blood glucose, brain waves,
molecular biology, all this kind of stuff cancer, right, and yeah,

(01:30:56):
and so I'm like, that patent is talking about a
sensor that is recording and transmitting all of that stuff
to a cloud. At the time of twenty nineteen, I
didn't know what the cloud was. But we have Project
Stargate now, right, We've got all these artificial intelligent cloud

(01:31:16):
We're seeing this infrastructure being built for the possibility of this.
Then I take an interview from Klaus Schwab back in
twenty seventeen where he was like kind of getting popular,
and then he became really popular in twenty nineteen and
twenty twenty, and then all of a sudden, you know,
he drops from the chairman position and no one talks
about him ever again. But you know he's tough. He

(01:31:37):
was talking about wearables in twenty seventeen, where it'd be
in clothing and it would be a part of you,
and it's a part of not change abric Yeah, yes, yes, exactly.
So when I'm putting all these things together, I'm like, Okay, well,
what the heck is that? And then I ended up
finding out that there's not only studies and experiments being

(01:31:59):
done at m IT, but other you know, colleges kind
of like what we were talking about. It seems like they're this,
they're the they're a part of the infrastructure of developing
these technologies. But there's quantum technologies out there now that
range from two to ten nanometers in size, smaller than
the average red blood cell. If you look up the

(01:32:21):
red blood cell, the size of an average red blood
cells ten thousand to thirty thousand nanometers. But we're talking
about technologies that are i mean.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
From the blood stream.

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
Yeah, yeah, but they're two to ten nanometers yeah, and
it's like extremely smaller than a red blood cell. And
it's like, wow, we're getting into the quantum stuff. But
but but the fact that these technologies are able to
they're trying to merge it with biology, but there's a
toxic level of it, and they're really trying to find

(01:32:54):
a threshold. And I've worked with yeah, yeah, right right,
and so but with all that said, I'm like, man,
you know, what is this for? What is this plan for?
Is it? Is it? I mean you see you saw
on the truck board, you know, yeah, you were making
awesome connections with dark brain, and it's like, well, like
when I think.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
Of activate those fucking things, That's.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
What I'm saying, you know. And the fact that kids
today are getting seventy two shots by the time that
they're fourteen years old, and we don't really fully know
the ingredients and those things. Who knows, right, We can
theorize about this all day. But with all that said that,
that's kind of like where my mind set. And then

(01:33:37):
I pull in the MK ultra with this. I pull in,
you know, with what you're talking about, right, all the propaganda,
everything of your research into all of this, and I'm like, man,
this is super sophisticated number one, And I think we've
only touched on ten percent of it. But I think
maybe there's some sort of just ultimate goal that they'd

(01:33:59):
want to do to control old people.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
And I think if you can have people dependent on
those technologies, I think that's ultimate system of control. Like, yeah,
you go back to when we're hunters and gathers, then
we could live off the land. People are self sufficient,
but now we're not. You know, we depend on this
technology and if it were to get shut off or

(01:34:22):
altered in a way, then there's nothing that most of
the population can do. I mean a lot of people
have learned to because they're preparing for something like that
and they don't want to be dependent on it. But
the majority of the population, if you shut the grid off,
they wouldn't know what to do.

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
Yeah, yeah, I mean what they switched the whole monetary
system to where you have to you have to be
compliant to what it is they're telling you. You have
to now be integral with you know, maybe new types
of technologies, but because you you have to. It's the
new financial system, right, totally.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
Check this out, Like this is maybe thing. The other
day I went into Whole Foods and I hadn't been
in years Whole Foods, and there was I saw this
little thing at the self checkout and it was like,
pay with your palm. I'm like, what, how do you
even pay with your palm? And I just looked it
up just now. It's uh it's using Amazon one. But

(01:35:22):
you just hold your palm over and it gets this
biometric reading.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
And and there is like this like everyone has like this,
what do I? Oh yo, I look at that. There
it is I want to say too. Maybe it reads
the the circulatory structure of how your veins and arteries
maybe run or something.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
Because we all have a unique poem exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:35:49):
We all have some sort of unique barcode or you know,
some sort of imprint that had distinguished.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
It's just like giving a finger Oh I know.

Speaker 1 (01:36:02):
I know, I hate doing it. When I walk into Disney,
I scan my fingerprint every time. Like this sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
I know this is being sold somewhere, but.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
It's sold for ease of use, O right, yeah, And
it's easy. It's to me. It's just like who who
gets to check out at the grocery stores? Like, oh
my god, I gotta pull my card out? Are you
kidding me? Only if I could pay with my palm?

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
Right right? Oh man, it's crazy dude. H oh. And
you know what's funny too, write that patent by Microsoft
that was you know, established in twenty nineteen. With the
body activity data, you mine cryptocurrency, so you make money
based off of your body activity data. Could be compliance, right,

(01:36:48):
It could be hey, you drove twenty miles this week,
a good job because of global warming, or hey we
told you your blood pressure was too high. You went
to the doctor and you got to fixed. Good job,
you got it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
You're complying car insurance is another thing. Oh yeah, lower
if you allowed them to track the oh.

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
Yes, yes, So you can kind of get the idea.
And so I started digging deeper and I was like,
all right, let me go find what kind of sensors
are you know, being being tested on the human body.
This is where I found the quantum sensors. And they're

(01:37:29):
able to pick up your brain wave, your your blood pressure,
your heart rate, your blood glucose, everything about you almost
like your actual identity, right like what's inside of you
and your biologics and all this. But all that stuff
can also link up to a quantum ledger, and then
the quantum ledger can be linked up to the blockchain

(01:37:52):
and where we heard that before, Like, you know, what
was it, Larry fit Larry Fisk? Is he the black
rock owner? Sorry, little of a lot, I think, Okay,
So he talks about the future of financial assets and
everything in the future when it comes to the financial
system that we're you know, moving into that it'll all

(01:38:13):
be backed by tokenization and blockchain and I swear do
you do When I was reading through these patents, those
are the those are the flash words. I was seeing
almost every paragraph. Yeah, qd X ledger. It's hooked up
to the blockchain and and and it seems like it's
a new barcode system. But but but in order.

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
To sell literally hey the cliche, but the matrix of
where we're harvesting, we're being harvested to even though we'd
make money doing it our our bodies is a crypto
mining computer.

Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
Yeah. Well, when I saw the Genius Act get passed,
I was like, oh wow, there really might be no
point of return after that. Once we switched the infrastructure
of our financial system to stable coin and too, crypto
and cash becomes something you know, of the past. It's

(01:39:09):
only a few more steps forward till we get to
you know, thinking of this concept, which is wild. Yeah,
And I do a lot of hive mind research and
how that all kind of incorporates with all this, and
you know, maybe why they are setting up all these
towers all over the place, what kind of frequencies those

(01:39:30):
are sending out? But what's like the what's the end
goal for all that? You know, we're only here at
five G, but what are the capabilities of eight G? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
I think they'd like to find out. I think it's
all Yeah, it's against the Nuremberg Code. As the other
experiment we talked about earlier wise, is we're all tested.
I think that that's part of what COVID was, is
they they've lost talked about MR and a technology and
the life extension possibilities of it. I just think they

(01:40:04):
wanted to expedite the research on it before they move
forward in certain ways. And I think they didn't care
what the consequence.

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
I thought it was funny too that you you had
to comply, you had to you know, wear something on
your face, you had to take something into your body
in order to be able to function in society, which
is another psychological thing of it. And all this stuff
is kind of dark, right, I mean it sucks that
to really talk about this, but again, I think these

(01:40:32):
people really they want to they want to be the
Queen Bee, and they want us to be able to react,
to react to their wants and needs, just like the
queen sends out the pheromones to the other worker bees
and then they just they fall in line, they fall
in line with all that. Yeah, totally go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
I was gonna say not to go too far off topic,
but you mentioned biologics earlier, and you know, I always
think of Nancy Macy's insufferable who when she's not trying
to show her tits what she's pretending to be the
uh Davy Crockett of the Congressional Women's Back She remember

(01:41:13):
she was leading one of the uh U A p
u FO hearings, which let's roll, let's roll out the
most retarded guy, David Rush to get to head this
thing up. And I remember show the biologics were part
of it, and I remember like that word, looking it
up and it being associated with back vaccines, and and
then thinking about, uh, how they started calling it very

(01:41:37):
deliberately non human intelligence that I feel like that was
part of his op is what I'm gonna call it.
Non human intelligence, And I'm like, oh, so what it's
a I we're talking about AI? Is what we're talking about.
You guys aren't really going to reveal any any aliens
or anything. So this I always felt that was some
sort of weird and continues to be. Uh an AI

(01:42:01):
drew some siop that's directed towards China having better technology
than US AI technology and weapons that we it was
so good that we thought it was extraterrestrial or in origin,
perhaps only to find out that we need to expedite
our military industrial complex and weapons developing to catch up

(01:42:24):
to our adversaries.

Speaker 1 (01:42:25):
Right right, Well, dude, that was an awesome little segue.
We got about twenty minutes left. Man, the floor is
all yours. Whatever you want to cover and get into
that that we didn't touch on. You know, we can
use this time to maybe tie a bow on whatever
it is. You know, you got like, I like your

(01:42:46):
uh is that a the UFO right here? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:42:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
It sucking up sasquatch. Yeah, oh yeah, that explains it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
I went, yeah, I went to uh there's a big
Foot museum and Blue Ridge. Oh yeah, I went to
it about a year ago or so, and I have
a friend who did a Bigfoot documentary. Those are the
conspiracies I loved doing. Like that's back when being a
conspiracy theorist was fine. And you know, I was always

(01:43:20):
whenever they bring the X Files back, I was always
excited to see that. I don't know if I'm as
excited to see the next incarnation of the X Files,
which apparently is a reboot done by the guy who
did Wakanda and it's so great, just call it something different.
Why don't we have to do all the old stuff
and just replace like white people with black people? Like

(01:43:44):
who cares? Like it's gonna be more popular if you
have the main characters in it and then you just
add some other characters. But like, yeah, those are the
type of conspiracies that I like to get into the originally,
like art Bell and stuff like that. Like that, I like,
I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:44:03):
Are you are you familiar with Scott Carpenter? No, so,
Scott Carpenter from Tennessee. We had his son on, Travis Carpenter. Anyway, Scott,
he dedicated a big, you know, long time of his
life to the Bigfoot phenomenon and all that kind of stuff.
And you know, God, God bless his soul, you know,

(01:44:25):
he passed away a little bit ago, but we were
able to have Scott on, I mean, we were able
to have Travis on his son, and he started talking
about all these studies that they were doing with Bigfoot
and that there's this I'm going to butcher the name
of it. Anyways, there was this study where his dad

(01:44:46):
retrieved actual hair follicles from a supposed sasquatch and they
ran it through a genome study, They ran it through
gen bank, they ran it through another stum or whatever.
But at the end of the whole study they found
out that the mitochondrial DNA what you get from the mother,

(01:45:10):
was of human nature, but the nucleus, the nuclear nucleotide
DNA or whatever it's called, which you get from the father,
was unknown. And they ran it through a gen bank system.
That I mean pretty much whenever any type of species
or piece of bacteria or whatever it is, like even
deeper than the periodic periodic table, it's all in this

(01:45:32):
system and we keep it records of it so that
whenever we find something, you know, we can throw it
in there and it'll generate and tell us, you know,
what the nature is, who the father was, and who
the mother was. So at the end of the study,
the father was unknown alien per se. Yeah, right, just
just just for example, right, undetected in our database. But

(01:45:56):
this kind of gets into you know, he was talking
on our show, is getting into the possibility of like,
you know, maybe maybe this phenomenon is fallen angel related
or of some sort, because there's that story, the biblical
story where you know, the fallen angels were mating with

(01:46:16):
women at some point, and you see the other pantheons Greek, Roman, whatever,
you see that Zeus came down mate it with women,
had demigods, the whole kind of idea of that or whatever.
But anyways, through a wrench in the whole scientific community,
especially the bigfoot community, which was promoting I think it

(01:46:38):
was like the evolutionary biology of what these things may be.
I forget what the concept is called, but it's just
been an animal that's changed over time. It's bipedal, it's humanoid,
this is what it is. But anyways, he was explaining
some of the he was explaining some of the experience

(01:46:58):
as his dad was having where once he started having
a connection because he saw a big foot with his eyes,
he saw it run right up onto the lake bank
that he was on because he was fishing. It beat
its chest and it got pissed off because he started
to like run away and it just took off up
the woods. And that's what got him into this phenomenon

(01:47:20):
because he was like, what the heck was that dude
started getting into it. And his theory is that he
thinks that there is also a spiritual aspect of these things,
where it's spiritual, supernatural, right, whatever you want to call it.
It's just the fact that there's maybe the ability to

(01:47:40):
materialize and dematerialize. Yeah, you know, it's all kind of wild.
We get into some of these conspiracies on the show
and it's a lot of fun. It helps decompress a
lot of the Yeah, the real you know, crazy you know,
the ones that we're seeing now.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
But satanic pedophile cults.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
Yeah, it's like, why does everything kind of go back
to like Satanism for some reason or you know, pedophile cult.
It's like, man, that's rough, That's not what I want
to hear. So I guess I'll ask you this question man,
and we can maybe wrap it up with with this,
but so, what do you think the alien agenda is

(01:48:22):
all about It's funny because this was a question that
was on the panel at the bro Growth.

Speaker 2 (01:48:27):
Yeah, you know, so that when he when David Rush
did that, he did his interview with that British guy,
and to me, he came off as the most uncredible person.
Not not credible to me, ever, I used to give
briefings for the president and I'm kind of retarded and

(01:48:49):
my it's just it was a little weird and it
was so deliberate, and it was funny because another that
British guy who interviewed him, did an interview about his
interview that I watched, and in that interview he he
talks about David Grush and he said that he had

(01:49:10):
a form of autism that makes it hard for him
to recognize emotions and understand social situations.

Speaker 1 (01:49:21):
And is saying it about Grush him, He's.

Speaker 2 (01:49:24):
Saying it about Grush. Okay, Oh, so the guy who
got all the information from the inside sources can't recognize
sarcasm or social cues or understand social interactions and he
is the main source of the uap UFO And oh
that's very helpful.

Speaker 1 (01:49:42):
This is the guy went on Joe Rogan and got
like twenty million views.

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
Right, yeah, yeah, and this guy's in here, yeah no,
he's he doesn't understand anything going on in a social situe.
I'm like, okay, well that that's seems like relevant information.
Who knows what the context or tone, because maybe he
does believe what he's saying. I I don't know that
I'm convinced of that, but he could he could.

Speaker 1 (01:50:05):
He seems mult out dude.

Speaker 2 (01:50:07):
Absolutely, he seems like somebody who could be uh lied
to uh and be a true believer based on the
information about the way his brain works, I guess. And
so what what struck me about his interview though with
that British guy which he repeated this word is something

(01:50:28):
about he said, uh, there's gonna be an ontological a shock,
and uh, I thought it was interesting basically some sort
of shift in reality that that something happens that just
changes everybody's view of how of what's real and we

(01:50:49):
have to reorient to that. And uh Now at the time,
I was like rewatching X Files and uh it was
I guess perfect timing because that same week it was
in season six and I think it was season six,
and it was the season where Molder uh no longer

(01:51:10):
believes you know that season where he has that and
he and he's giving he's doing like a like some
sort of like hearing with He's on stage all these
other guys and they're talking and Molder goes off on
this this ontological shock that you speak of, and I'm like,
oh my god. He he and I went back and
watched it, and he did very close to the speech

(01:51:32):
that Molder gave, or that is either Molder in the
other and this other guy used the term ontological shock
and the dialogue that was used in that interview. It
was like they pulled it from this little interaction and
cobbled it together and gave it to David Grush And
I was like, first of all, that's weird. It's a
weird predictive programming that they're they're using. Uh uh, the

(01:51:56):
ontological shot. What what I believe the UFO agenda is,
as I referenced it a moment ago. I think it's
all pointing towards an attempt to escalate international war tensions
with China. I think that they're never get they would
they would never actually reveal any UFO or extraterrestrial connections

(01:52:21):
that we've we've first contacts. If there has been first contact.
It wouldn't be revealed for the same reason that they
want to separate people from their families, because the moment
that that happens is the moment that they lose their
power over society. Because this being that seems to be
more tangible. These UFOs, obviously they're going to be uh,

(01:52:43):
take power away from you know, governments and stuff like that.
They would not want us to know that there's extraterrestrials
that could get to Earth if far exceed us seed
us in capabilities in technology, because then we would realize
that they don't actually have power the aliens too. And

(01:53:04):
also I don't know that we would recognize aliens if
they're right in front of our face. I think about
it like in like ants. You know, if I were
to step into an ant pile, along with getting bit
a few times, it would be like a natural disaster
to the ants. You know, they wouldn't be like, Oh,
there's that human who's smarter than me who just accidentally
stepped in me. And I think that our awareness of that, See,
we're under the impression that we are the highest form

(01:53:26):
of intelligence on Earth. Who's to say that ants aren't
under that same impression that you know they have. They
they're not aware of the higher intelligence, and that's why
I don't know that we would even recognize it could
be right around this room. I have no idea. I
think that it's you know, it's obviously for entertainment and stuff.

(01:53:48):
We project them to look in a humanoid way, and
maybe they would show up in that format. I have
no idea, but I do ultimately never try. I just
thought it was so funny when they first it was.
I remember seeing Tuck cross and talk about it, and
then a New York Times article is what he was
talking about back in twenty seventeen that said, there's been
there is a warehouse in Vegas that has a craft

(01:54:14):
that is not of this earth and that moved in
the way they describe it now. It was like the
first beginning of this I think as a SI up
and that people are getting sick from being around. It
was kind of like they were touching on all the
conspiracy theories and packaging it together into this article, into
this narrative they were doing, and I was just like, wow,

(01:54:36):
that's crazy. I would think that would be a national
security threat, that would be the only thing that was
focused on in the news, and yet it took a
couple more years for them to even start. That's why
it was also nonsensical to me. You're literally telling us
that we could be destroyed in a moment, that our
best technology can't even come close to this stuff, and
you guys are just acting nonchalant about it and having

(01:54:57):
this retard come up here and do it think about
I'm like, I'm not I'm not buying it. And I
think that eventually the turn is going to be it's
it's our adversaries and their technology is much much better.
I think we can relate that to AI trumps. We
gotta we gotta win the AI race, you know, the
AI arms race against China.

Speaker 1 (01:55:16):
It's like the New Moon landing.

Speaker 2 (01:55:18):
Yeah, right right, and it's uh, it's gonna be as
real as that one. I think in the end, I'm
saying that I don't believe in it. I've always believed
that there, uh, there's something else out there. I just
think I think they would have to be And I
don't think that believing in aliens means that you can't

(01:55:40):
also believe in God, like I gotta. I know some
people think that those are conflicting. I don't believe that
those are conflicting.

Speaker 1 (01:55:46):
I would be like, right, well, I always ask like
the logical question like well what created and again that
we can call them whatever, you know we want to write,
just it's just things that are, you know, in the heavens.
Let's just say like, well if they if they do exists,
well what created them?

Speaker 2 (01:56:02):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:56:02):
Right? Yeah, you know I mean that logically, right, you
kind of just got to resort to that kind of thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:56:10):
And yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:56:11):
And it's funny, you know, you make a good point.
And I actually like the point that you made where
you know, maybe this agenda is to rise nation against
nation in reset in some way, right.

Speaker 2 (01:56:23):
Yeah, it's part of the Great Reset. Is like that,
that's the Great Reset was designed when you go watch
the Great Reset videos of the World Economic Forum, to
make America take a step back in the world powers,
to make China rise up and to equal that out
a little bit more. I don't know how that happens
voluntarily non kinetic warfare, but I believe that all of

(01:56:47):
this is part of that, to make China rise and
US fall back a.

Speaker 1 (01:56:51):
Little bit, right on man. And it's funny because I
heard I remember Reagan in front of the United Nations.
He was talking about, you know, how how could we
bring this is in this is just in an opposite
view of of your point, But where how can we
bring the world together? Oh? Right? And and he's like, well,

(01:57:11):
what if we were opposed by an extraterrestrial theat you know,
threat to where you know, we had to come together
and unionize against this threat. You've got things like Project
Blue Beam now and all this other kind of stuff
and who knows what psyops or syops, but it's all
interesting information and and you know, maybe I think it

(01:57:32):
could do both. And it's always good to like survey
the area, not just one space totally.

Speaker 2 (01:57:40):
Yeah, I got to consider like alternative explanations, right, things
I think as conspiracy theorists especially, I think we can
do ourselves a disservice by jumping to the calling everything
a false flag, immediately call it, even though you know

(01:58:03):
stuff like that happens. But doing that makes it easy
to discredit us by like we have to work harder
to show our work than the mainstream does because we're
already branded as as crazy. And so the way that
the way that I try to when I think about

(01:58:24):
stuff is like I try and disprove my initial instinct
on a conspiracy theory harder than they ever could, so that,
first of all, see if I can get a little
closer to the truth. And secondly, so that when someone
wants to easily dismiss something, I can go, well, wait
a minute, why don't you look at you know, the
information that we we have to be better than they are.

(01:58:48):
And so I totally agree.

Speaker 1 (01:58:49):
And it's almost like we have to be They try
to be one step ahead of us, but we try
to be that other step in front of them.

Speaker 2 (01:58:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:58:57):
Right, Well, I'll tell you what, man, if there's an
last message that you would like to share with the
audience and uplifting message, I'd like to try to do
that at the end of talking about uh, some of
this stuff, because you know, sometimes it can it can
I don't want to say it can be brain rot,
but but it can affect some people in certain ways.

Speaker 2 (01:59:19):
A black pill. You know, I'm not. I'm anti black pill.
So I'm with you on a positive message. And I
got and I'll my language might be colorful and this
I swear a lot more people, So I apologize, But
you're passionate yes, yes, that's right. So when I I've
done I've been an actor for years. I've been in

(01:59:40):
a handful of small, small roles and stuff. And when
I first started acting, like the best advice I ever
got was because you're nervous, you go in these casting
directors and you you know, all you're thinking about is
what they like me, and I can really actually mess
you up because you your job is to do a
good audition. And what he told me was he said,

(02:00:03):
when you go into the auditions, you just have to
look at everybody on the other side of that desk
as a huge It's just a bunch of and you
could you can just whip their ass and then that
way you can focus on your job of doing good
audition instead of worrying about what these think about you.
And UH, that stuck with me and it helped. And

(02:00:26):
that's how I think about the people UH in power
is they can be easily to see them as a
monolithic that they're all in coordination with each other. They're not.
They're humans, at least we think they're humans anyway, maybe
they're lizards do but nevertheless, they're not in cooperation all
the time. They're they're they fight, they have bigger egos

(02:00:47):
and thus their psychopaths that they're actually probably in more
conflict with each other than the conflict that they they create.
I'm sure they find common goals at times, but the
bottom line is they're all a bunch of pussies and
they're not a model, and we could whip their ass
as long as we recognized, recognize that they are trying

(02:01:08):
to collectivize people by stripping away the uniqueness and the
abilities that we all have inside of us that we
can cultivate to do anything that we wanted. So the
propaganda that gets exposed, I reference its earlier. That's a
good thing. So seeing that things aren't the way that
we were told is a good thing in many ways

(02:01:29):
because that takes that barrier that prevents success and capability
and maximizing what we have and what we can grow
from it instead of looking elsewhere. I have to go
be all of this to do this. How about what
do I have here inside? And how can I maximize
this to help other people and to go do the
things that I want to do? And you discover there

(02:01:51):
are not checkboxes that you have, there's just you figuring
out what you have, how you can help how you
can grow it and flourishing your capabilities by looking within
and applying it outside instead of thinking you have to
be this illusion that was designed to control you and
keep you down. And I think everybody is uniquely great,

(02:02:12):
and I just think a lot of people haven't discovered
their greatness.

Speaker 1 (02:02:15):
Shit right right on me, No, dude, I thank you
for sharing. Then one way I can relate to that
as well is just with my job and having the
experience I have with my job. You know, it's a
part of my leadership role to teach these new guys
that come into the job, and it's really it's a
bunch of boys trying to do a man's job, and

(02:02:36):
they're always trying to either impress the lieutenant, impress the engineer,
or they're trying not to make a mistake. And it's
kind of like in the audition, right, you're like, I
can't I got to be perfect right for these people.
But I enjoy that mentality because in a way, that's
how I want them to be on the job, rather

(02:02:58):
than being scared to make a mistake or to to
to somehow function within this threshold. It's like, dude, that's
going to get you killed. And it has gotten people killed,
you know, especially just in my professional owl. But you know,
you have to be not only a critical thinker, but
you have to have confidence, right, You got to be confident, man,

(02:03:21):
Like I can't teach you that. You've got to like
and I think experience, you know, is what teaches that
over time. But you know, but I need that now.
As soon as you put your boots on on day one,
you know what I'm saying. But yeah, yeah, yeah, Well.

Speaker 2 (02:03:37):
I love to have you on to talk about what
you do.

Speaker 1 (02:03:40):
Yeah, absolutely, man, that would be a fun a fun show.
And uh that's something to really look forward to because
really meeting you guys and and you know, you guys
have been in the game a little longer than me,
but I was once a listener and I got inspired
by you guys, you know, to get up and do

(02:04:01):
the dang thing. You know, I have a voice, you know,
instead of just talking to my family, which God bless them,
you know, but now.

Speaker 2 (02:04:12):
I sometimes you podcast just to get away for a
little while.

Speaker 1 (02:04:16):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but you know, not reaching an audience
and and people are enjoying it. And now I've you know,
I'm building relationships with with people that not only that
I've kind of that have inspired me to do what
I'm doing today with with this show, and but I'm
also you know, building relationships and friendships man, and you

(02:04:36):
know that that's what I like to do with people,
having them on the show, and that's really what all
I care about because at the end of the day,
we will have our bias, opinions, we will have our
own beliefs and all this, and I believe it's everyone's
liberty to choose what they want to choose, absolutely, but
at the end of the day, I want to be
your friend, you know, totally, at the end of the day,
we need to we need to be friends, because I

(02:04:57):
think that's a big part of everything that's going on
on as they're trying to tear people apart.

Speaker 2 (02:05:02):
Yeah, yeah, you know, put us against each other. And
it's like I have so many friends that are like
progressives that like I think, I mean, I think they're
they'll repeat talking points to me as so I don't
even know if they realize it, but it's like it's
just been pumped in their heads. But like I don't
compad at them like they're they're they're good, they're good people,
and I don't. I think they want people to get

(02:05:25):
mad at each other when they disagree, and I think,
just don't be a dick and be cool, you know,
and be kind. And I think that that's how we diffuse.

Speaker 1 (02:05:32):
Yeah, right on, man, And I'd be fun. I'd love
to collabor with you in the future. You know. I
have a history of working in you know, research facilities,
research labs, with medicine. I was on the front lines,
you know, during twenty nineteen and twenty twenty on the
busiest ambulance in the city, saw things, trade stories.

Speaker 2 (02:05:48):
Oh, my mom had a rare disease. We were having
to go to the hospital every because, like just for
her treatment. We had to be there throughout COVID and
we probably have some unique experiences we could we could
trade on another show.

Speaker 1 (02:06:00):
Exactly man, exactly, Well brother. For the audience, where can
they support you the most? And find all your content.

Speaker 2 (02:06:08):
Propaganda Report podcast on audio listing apps that you listen
on if you go to x at Freedom Act Radio
is my handle and links in bio for where you
can find like YouTube dot com, slash Brad Binkley, the
prop Report or excuse me, rumble dot com, slash the
prop Report on Rumble I get, I get. I don't

(02:06:30):
get censored on Rumble like I often do on YouTube
locals dot com slash prop Report is one of the
subscriber platforms Patreon dot com slash Propaganda Report. Also, uh,
that's where Sam TRIPLEI and Austin and I we do
a show called whatever this is. That's our subscriber show.
And uh follow me on x Instagram Propaganda Report. I

(02:06:54):
think I think those are all the places I do shows.
It does vary, but I try to I was out
a little bit this earlier this summer, but I try
to do three or four shows a week, usually live
stream sometime between eight thirty and nine Eastern Standard time.

Speaker 1 (02:07:13):
Right on. Man, shout out to Sam tinfol Hat podcast.
He's got other podcasts too, Man.

Speaker 2 (02:07:18):
He's been Yeah, he's got a ton of fun.

Speaker 1 (02:07:19):
He likes to work. That guy. You know, it was
fun seeing him at bro Grove and he's another guy. Man.
You know, I guess I consider when I'm one of
his children, you know how he kind of makes a
joke and talks about But he was another inspiration to
kind of get up and do it, you know, get
off the couch and do all this kind of stuff.
But dude, it was a pleasure. I had a lot
of fun. Folks. If you want to support the show,

(02:07:41):
hit that subscribe button. Like the show, share it with
your friends, drop a comment down below. But the things
we got into, if you agree, you disagree, whatever, this
that's the area that where we can have a conversation
for all you keyboard warriors. I love it. But and
if you want to support us on audio platforms as well,
you can do so on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and Spreaker.
While you're there five star reviews only, drop a comment

(02:08:03):
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