#63. Artificial Intelligence Savior/Doom| Simulation Theory| DARPA Technologies| Robot Insects w/ Taj Sarin

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
What's up everyone, Welcome back to the Biblical hit Man.
It's me Stephen. We got Jesse in the house. Jesse
is here, ladies and gentlemen. Joining us for the first
time is Taj Sarah. You know he he covers a
lot of high tech just information, and we're kind of
we're gonna get into all that kind of stuff today
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(01:00):
a Taj, thank you brother for coming on the show Man.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
It's a pleasure. Thanks for having me on. Guys.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, it's It's funny. I've I do a
lot of the networking for our show on Instagram and
everyone is on Instagram. I love Instagram. I think it's
better than TikTok. TikTok is like for like dancing young
women or something like that. But I was I was
scrolling through and I came across you talking about some

(01:26):
DARPA project, man, and it blew my mind. And then
I just started kind of doom scrolling on your feed,
and I see that you cover a lot of of
just technology, man. But for the folks that aren't aware
of your work or what you do, if you wouldn't
mind just giving us a little short introduction of yourself
and where they can find all your content.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Sure, absolutely, So I'm on Instagram as tachyon taj so
it's t a c h y o n t a j.
And for those who don't know, takeion is a hypothetical
particle that can travel faster than this of light. So
I'm a huge space nerd, huge science nerd, and I
love talking about all things tech, space and theoretical physics

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as well.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Right right, okay, so the Earth is not flat.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Dude?

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Crack it there, yea crack it.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
I was just going to say, dude, we got to
get his thoughts on that later. It's hilarious. There's going
to be most of the people that watch I think.
I think I would say most of the people that
watch this podcast are flat earthers.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Probably for show and but but anyways, man, so so
so not only Instagram, right, I mean you have a
podcast as well, Right?

Speaker 2 (02:39):
I do. I do have a Spotify podcast called Tachyon Talks.
And on that podcast itself, I interview a couple of
people talking about AI specifically in their specific relative fields,
their industries, and how it's going to affect their fields
and industries. Ironically enough, I just automated my podcast so

(02:59):
it to voice clone of myself. WHOA that's doing my
podcast for me every week?

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Really? Wow? I didn't hold anybody.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
I do debut. I do say that, hey, I want
to show off my voice, and it literally sounds just
like me.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
So okay. So this is interesting because I had to
call the bank, my bank with Wells Fargo, and I'm
sure other banks do do this. But in the beginning
of the phone call, it was asking me, do you
want to activate voice recognition to get into your account
and all that kind of stuff. I flat out said no.

(03:36):
I actually hung up. I was like, hold on, what
was that called back got over. I got through that
point without giving you know, too much of my personal
information like my voice to that. But that's that's just
the thing. You know, what are your thoughts with that?
Real quick? With AI and and voice recognition, is it

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something that's secure?

Speaker 2 (03:59):
I mean security is interesting where because it's well, it's
always it's ever changing and ever evolving, especially in this
space where we give up more and more of it
every every month. Right, it feels like we're always agreeing
to those terms and agreements just to download the app
and just to use it, right, And I don't think
anyone's sitting there reading like hundreds of pages of terms

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and agreements to say, oh wait, no it says here
that they can use my data on the back end
for third party usage. You know, we don't think about
those things. But yeah, it's definitely being utilized. It's definitely
being definitely being leveraged, especially with the voice print stuff.
It's you know, when you when when it comes to

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financial institutions, you're giving them your consent to do it.
I think they have to abide by specific rules and
laws and regulations within the United States at least in
that regard. But that doesn't mean that private companies might
not be able to try to get that as well.
One of the newer kind of scams that are out
there now there are people using AI to clone one

(05:02):
for one websites with paywalls, and it looks like you're
going on a real website and you're putting in your
information to get or subscribe to something, and they're just
taking your credit card information. And there's people it's if
you unless you don't know, unless you know like the domain,
you know how to look up the domain, and you
know how to look up like hey, where's this coming from,

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it could fool you like there's running these stands now.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
So it's funny. It reminds me of my grandfather fell
into a scam a couple of years ago. Jesse knows
my family, you know, And what happened was is he's
very old. He's old. But what he claimed was that
his granddaughter Rachel called him and said, Grandpa, I need

(05:47):
twenty five hundred dollars peace right now. I need it
right now. And he what did he do? He sent
over the money. Obviously he is ninety years old. He
doesn't have the full capacity that we have right now.
But but he like, will die on the fact that
it sounded just like his granddaughter Rachel, which Stee now

(06:08):
with Ai. I'm like, okay, it makes sense, Stevie.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
I really think there's a high possibility that Rachel scammed.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, reverse scam.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
Just kiddel.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
I'm oh, Rachel, that's an inside jokes. Mark was here,
But yeah, man, so so so Taj. What got you?
What inspired you to kind of, you know, into the
tech field, man?

Speaker 2 (06:34):
I Ever since I was a kid, I really started
reading popular science magazines, popular mechanics. Back in the day
when people used to go to like Barnes and Nobles
or Borders instead of ordering books online. You know, we'd
go there and go there with my parents and it'd
always be in the magazine section, reading as much as
I can about you know, the latest Scientific America, all

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the latest discoveries and research researchers that were coming out.
It was just fascinating to me, like I would never
become an expert in one thing. I just wanted to
know everything I could about everything, even if it was
just like one little thing that I learned about, like
a small a big thing, that would be a good
enough reason for me to kind of kick off and
learn more about it and do some more research on it.

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You know, I got into wanting to be into the
airspace engineering industry, and I went to mber Riddle aeronautuc
University to study airspace engineering before dropping out and actually
joining the US Army as an engineer as well. So
and then from there I I kind of went to
school and studied astronomy and geoscience, did some research for

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a NASA on this picture behind me, it's the Orion
tsium star of cluster. Yeah, so the Orion nebula pretty much.
It's pretty A lot of the stars in that Nebula
region are like super massive there. They're like one hundred
times the size of her Son and when they're like
five hundred light years away. Tell it when when you're
looking at it through a telescope it looks like one

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point source, but in fact there are actually two stars
that are orbiting each orbiting each other, so they're binary
star systems. It's pretty fascinating stuff what you can see
out there in space and you're constantly looking into like
a I wouldn't say, like, yeah, you're looking back in
time essentially, right, because there's far away and space and

(08:25):
times connected. So if the light takes five hundred years
to get to you, you're looking back at something that's
five hundred years old. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, it's kind of trippy.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
So is this an actual photo? Like this is James Web.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, so this is actually yeah, so this is actually
the jwst image of the Iran Trapezi and Stra cluster.
The specific telescope that I worked, I did research on,
or with, i should say, is the Chandra Scar Space telescope.
So back then that was probably the most that was
the largest telescope in space that could do X ray

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astra photography, so or observations, i'd say, And it was
it was reading or taking images in the X ray spectrum,
so every star that emits X rays you'd be able
to see it. And those are high energy photons, so
they're very very energetic.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
Wow, I don't even know what any of that means.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
I mean, it's it's it's wild. Man. Are you familiar
with what's that telescope that the Vatican has. I think
it's on Mount Graham. I think we've covered it maybe
in a show or two way back way back in
the day. I'd have to.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
Actually isn't it called like lucifer Let me let me
google it is.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
No, So yeah, the telescope. So there's there's two types
of telescope. I think one of them is is UH
is radio telescope. I don't know if that makes sense, but
I think that's what I remember reading. And the other
one is is A. It's one of the biggest telescopes
that we have, but it has a device that's connected
to it, called the Lucifer device. But really what that

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device does is it looks through It helps you look
through the telescope through UH infrared so you can see
things look more clearly, deeper, and all that kind of stuff.
Colleges go out there, they send groups out there to
go look at these, you know, and and have you know,

(10:23):
experiences looking through these things. And they actually talk about
pretty much it's every day, it seems like that they
see things flying around out there. It's not saying that
these are UFOs, but it's that there's definitely things that
are kind of defying the laws of physics, that are
part of our universe that we can't really understand.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Sure.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
I think I got the correct name here.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
The Vatican Advanced Technology telescope VAT and Arizona is not
named Lucifer. The confusion arises because the Large Binocular Telescope LBT,
which is on the same mountain as VAT, has an
infrared instrument originally named originally named Lucifer originally named Lucier
what they changed it later to Lucy l uc And

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The Vatican's telescope on Mount Graham is called VATT Vatican
Advanced Technology Telescope BO cleared that up there we go.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Right right, And it's interesting. There's a book I I
what was it? It's called Exo Vatican. Tom Horn writes
about it. He actually went there. It took like something
three or four hours just to get up to the mountain.
You're you're on the way up. You're literally driving, I
mean to where you can. If you make just the
smallest wrong turn, you're done.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
I hate mountain.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
It's gonna be terrifying.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
It's the worst.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Utah is horrifying. There's so many spots in Utah.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, so I tell you what tis Let's get into
that conversation abolutely.

Speaker 5 (11:46):
You know.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
There's one thing that I read about. Uh, it's had
to be about a month or two ago, but it
was called the it was called the Last Supper, and
it was when there was I think it was like
fifty or fifty two companies that were tech companies, military
industrial complex companies, right, they all got together and they
all consolidated into what we know is today as the

(12:09):
I think it's like the five or the six main companies, Lockheed, Martin,
you know, so on and so forth, Right, and so
do you think that we have the technology today to
be able to uh give the perception to the public
that there are UFOs?

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, that's I mean, that's a that's a big question.
And I think, well, first and foremost, I'm not affiliated
with any government organization or any organization for that matter,
my opinions on my own, but I think I think
that question raises an interesting point. Now, let's kind of
reverse let's kind of think about this like this, if

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they're if they did have that technology, if they did
have that technology, how would they use it or how
would they Why would they let us know that they
have it? Mm hmm, right, Like, what would be the
point of them letting us know that we that they
have it?

Speaker 4 (13:03):
Already?

Speaker 2 (13:04):
There's been a lot of a lot of there's a
lot of black operations, a lot of black projects that
are out there in the aerospace industries. There's been a
lot of conspiracies around, you know, from rosswell, especially in
these big defense contractors that were pulled into retrieval of
these of these aircraft, and that they actually have the technology.

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They were able to reverse engineer, they were able to
test it out, they were able to literally replicate the
technology that was used to bend space and time and
these gravity engines that they speak of, And you have
to wonder that I've heard both sides. I'm like, one
side's like, Okay, well, the government's not really good at
keeping secrets in the first place, so it's like, could

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you really think they could keep something that secret for
so long? And then the other side is like, Okay,
if they have it, they'd want to use it. They
want to use it for themselves, right, And they probably
slowly start showing it into into the public sphere, slowly
start introducing little ideas, little concepts, little little kind of syops,

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so to speak, to kind of bring the people's attention
to it slowly, not and gradually. And for what reason
that would be, I have no idea. I can only
speculate and I've heard a bunch of different things. I've
heard conspiracy of like oh, they're gonna fake like an
alien invasion perhaps or something like that, or blue right, yeah, bluebeam.
But what would be the purpose of that? For a

(14:33):
new world older? But don't you think it'd be an
easier way to do that as opposed to just faking
an alien invasion? I don't know. I'm asking an open question,
but it's curious to think about. And if they do
have the technology, why would they need to fake it?
Why don't they just use the technology at that point?

Speaker 4 (14:51):
M Yeah, that's a great point.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
What if? Like the biggest thing for me was seeing
the tic TAC video. That was kind of like my
oh shit moment, Like watching that and like it was
blatantly obvious this thing is defying the laws of physics
as we can see it, and and you dig deeper
into the actual physics behind it. Uh, how an object

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could defy uh? Like that? You know, Einstein's general relativity,
like being able to and be able to not be
affected by inertia and and do these insane maneuvers bending
and warping space and time itself around it? How much
energy that would be required to do that is unfathomable.

(15:37):
There's no at least as far as I know, there's
no current technology that can do that. But there's been
some theories on like EMF drives, so electromenetic force drives.
As I'm sure people have heard of the Philadelphia experiment
where they've used electro manet. They've they've charged up essentially
a naval destroyer and they zapped it out of existence

(15:58):
and it appeared somewhere else. That's speculative, that's what they've
they've talked about. But these types of experiments exist, and
they existed a long time ago. So it makes you
wonder what kind of experiments they're doing today. Stuff that
we're hearing about is twenty thirty forty years old, right,
what kind of stuff are they working on today?

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Right?

Speaker 2 (16:20):
The stuff that we're seeing, maybe that's just stuff they
want us to see. Because I was if I was
on the other side. If I was on the other side,
I'm like, all right, yeah, we got this, we got
this cool tech. How do we start introducing it to society?
How do you start slowly getting them to accept that
we have this tech? Right, I would kind of start

(16:40):
doing exactly what you're seeing today. You start seeing little
BIPs blips here and there. You start hearing little stories
from from pilots, start hearing little stories here and there.
You know, it's it definitely feeds into the whole sy
op kind of thing where you're kind of prepare the society.
You're trying to prepare society for something big, and who
knows what that is. But yeah, you.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Know, it's really interesting everything you just said. I told
the story a bunch of times on this podcast. But
I worked for this old man years ago. I live
in Las Vegas, and I've seen lots of crazy stuff
here and I would love to share that with you later.
But I talked to this old man. The old man
said to me he was in his eighties. I think
he was eighty six, and this was like seven years ago,
and he worked for the Air Force since he was
in his teens, and he wanted to be a part

(17:25):
of Operation Blue Book I think it was.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
And he didn't have three years experience.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
They didn't let him work the project and it got
shut down pretty quickly, I think. But he told me,
he goes, listen, I worked on the Blackbird, the SR
seventy one, I think it's called and he goes by
the time they disclosed this information, by the time they
disclose an aircraft to you, that the aircraft is an antique.
And I was like, I held on to that forever.

(17:52):
It resonates what you're saying. I think it's so true.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah, one hundred percent. Even the stuff you've seen in
popular science, you know, the closest I ever got to
kind of seeing the cutting edge of the cutting edge
was actually in university research formats. And I used to
work at a university. I want to say which one,
but a lot of the research that came out of
there from fabrication, three D printing. There were three D printing,

(18:17):
biotissues like yeah, they were getting into three printing medicine
on the tissue.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
WHOA.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Stuff that they were doing was so cutting edge that
it would get bought out, like the IP intellctual property
would get bought out by a US based company or someone,
and they would just take their entire research team and
now they're working on another project that's super top secret
or something.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
So what they'll do is they'll they'll go and scope,
They'll they'll scout out university research places and find out
what professors are researching on what and a lot of
these professors are also part of the work for the
government as well, so they do little side gigs. They
have little thing tanks, right that work for the Defense
Department that come to other maybe once every two years
or once every year, I forget what it was called,

(19:05):
but they do. There's this one specific thing tank where
they take the brightest professors and they bring them in
to solve one problem that no one everyone is having
a specific issue with solving this problem, and they all
just borrow like the top brains of the entire planet
for like maybe one like one week, like they're able

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to just do a one week sprint on this specific
problem and figure out if they can solve it. So
that's a it's an interesting They have all these different
think tanks that are around the world to kind of
work on these problems and stuff. So it's, uh, there's
a lot of stuff out there that you're gonna you're
gonna mostly see and in the research in the university
research sphere, I should say that you can start taking

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those pieces and they're like puzzle pieces, right, so you
kind of take from there and see where they're doing
other research. In another place and like, wait a minute,
this could be used for this, or this could be
used for that. You start connecting the dots there. It's
a it's a great way to kind of analyze and
see where this tech is heading, where it could go,
and where it could be in the next ten years.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
So what do you think the purpose is for all
this tech? Because it's so funny. And I have a
two year old little little girl and we're watching Frozen
one day and in the in Frozen, I think it
was like Frozen two. I should know this. But anyways,
the little snowman Olaf, he goes the advancement of technology
is both is both our savior and our doom. And

(20:32):
I was like, man of wisdom, he is. But what
are your what are your thoughts with with technology as
far as is it could it bring you know, the
end of the world?

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, I think I think. I think that's true in
every cycle of humanity essentially, you think about it. I
saw a funny meme of cavemen sitting around a fire
and uh, you know a little bit clinical, but like
someone someone was like, they're you know, they're cooking in
the fire and the caveman are cooking on the fire

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and like, oh my god, this is amazing. And then
one of the caveman or cave woman stands up and says, oh,
we need to regulate the fire because it's dangerous, right,
we need to stop everyone from using the fire, or
we need to control who uses it. So I think
the I think I think the point is is that
sure there could be danger from anything. Essentially, we could

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we could destroy we could have destroyed ourselves over and
over millions of times in our in our span of humanity,
but we just so happen to be alive currently today,
in this moment now, right, And that's a very interesting
and philosophical thing to think about. It's like, why why
are we here? Because we could have died off in
any other timeline in the past. So we're here today

(21:51):
talking about it, and hopefully we'll hear tomorrow too.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
So well, that's a good point because we talk about
it too. I mean, obviously, we're a Christian shown and
we leave in eschatology and we talk about eschatology and
what that means is basically like the end times. And
it seems like every generation has always kind of talked
about the same thing, just to kind of you know,
you know, top off, like your point, I think you're

(22:14):
right where constantly we always think that when technology is
moving into the next industrial revolution, right that we think
it's like such a bad thing. But I don't know,
I see like AI being something of like I don't know.
It seems like it's an entity. Maybe it has capacity.

(22:36):
What I mean by capacity is like does it think
for itself? I don't know. I don't know if you
have anything to say to that, as far as I
have a lot to say to that, Yeah, go ahead.
I mean, does AI think for itself?

Speaker 2 (22:45):
The A one, the AI one scares the shit out
of me, to be honest, it kept me up for
like three days straight when it became more mainstream. I mean,
AI itself has been around conceptually since the sixties, you know.
Ironically enough, when DARPA invented the Internet, they thought of
machines being able to think, so they derived the concept

(23:08):
of AI far long ago. But they just didn't We
didn't have the technology. We didn't have the computing technology
to do it, at least not at that time. And
then you started seeing a lot of sci fi novels
come out. You started seeing Dune, the Dune book series
talks about they banned the AI from from warfare because
it destroyed human humanity. How many times do you hear

(23:29):
about these stories of or these sci fi novels and
stories about humanity banning AI because it destroyed humanity at
one point, or or vice versa. They used AI at
a very limited capacity. You know. So back to my point,
when you know, I stayed up because I realized that,
holy shit, this is the moment, this is We're living
in the craziest, exciting, most exciting time in human history

(23:51):
because we get to see we get to see the Internet,
we get to see AI, and very soon, I think
we're going to see artificial general intelligence. And what is
that actually mean for society? What does that do for
the social contract? So to speak? How does it affect
our society? And it's hard for me to say. I
think I think it's gonna be a net positive, but

(24:12):
there's definitely gonna be some follout there's yeah, So the
net positive will be a lot of these mundane, high
risk jobs that we you know, that we take upon
us as humans are gonna be fully autonomy automated. You're
gonna have humanoid robots, that are being integrated with AI.

(24:33):
That's the other thing a lot of people don't realize
they think AI, they think of like chrat, gipt or
something that's like one little sliver of what AI is.
You take AI and you put it into a humanoid
robot that can function as a human. Now you have
a whole different animal or beast. Like, yeah, so there
are robot Yeah, it's literally I robot. Figure one is

(24:56):
a company that they're making huge gains in humanoid robotics,
and another one is obviously the Tesla robot as well.
China is making a lot of gains in the humanoid
robotics spheres will Figure one specifically, they're using their robots
right now in the BMW factory to assemble parts for
a car. So they're physically going and replacing engine components

(25:20):
on a car. Yeah, and this is just this was
last year. So the other thing that they're doing with
these robots is you know, one of the arguments I
hear is is, oh, well, it's going to take them
too along the train in an environment, in the real
world environment. And then I was like, no, have you
heard of the matrix? Have you heard have you heard
of this thing? Called Omniverse, which is NA Video's matrix. Essentially,

(25:43):
it's a literal virtual environment that replicates every single physical
component in the world. So what they do is they
take humanoid robot figure one and they create ten thousand
copies of it. They put it into a box into
the omniverse and say, hey, learn how to walk, and eventually,
over time, one of them will learn how to walk wow,

(26:05):
and the one that needs they'll take that inf they'll
take that software and now they just upload it to
a new robot and then within a week it knows
how to.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Walk wow, and then kung fu, and then jiu jitsu
and then Zach.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
It's just a download. Huh yeah, I see it too.
As far as uh, you know, these robots in the
development that they're going to be probably going through is
very similar to how like the Tesla technology works, right,
like that a car is able to drive on its own.
It kind of like almost like builds like a sensory system, right,

(26:40):
kind of like how we have senses we could taste,
to feel, smell, see all that kind of stuff. What
are your thoughts with that? Do you think like that's
possible for AI.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
To absolutely so you have multimodal systems. And what I
mean by that is, to your point, it's like you
have one, you have AIS for vision, so you have vision,
visual machine learning, you have sensory machine learning. You have audio,
so you have voice cloned now, so you have all
these different sensory components. And the more sensors you have

(27:09):
in an environment, the smarter and more intelligent this AI
is going to become in that sphere. And a lot
of this has kind of been leading me to more
believe into in you're You're probably hearing a lot of
people talk about this too, that we live in a simulation,
because it's like, wait a minute, what if AI eventually
became so big, so powerful, was able to compute every

(27:30):
single atom in the entire universe. If it could replicate
and simulate every atom in the universe and predict it
could predict the future in theory.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Okay, it sounds like Palenteer.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yeah, so it's yeah, palenteer, which is next level stuff too.
And that's like the minority report ship to.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Right right, Yes, so go ahead.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
Justin is that the agentic state is Palenteer? Really? Is that?

Speaker 3 (27:56):
What Pallenteer really does is they It's like an eighty
twenty like it's eighty percent AI twenty percent programming.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
I would say, I don't know what state they are now,
I have no idea, But all these things that were
they were conceptualized like twenty years ago, they already knew like, Okay,
we know what we need to make this work. We
need data and even today there's not enough like raw data.
So we're having a lot of these programs and applications

(28:25):
and it's becoming a gold mine for a lot of
startup companies too, to produce tools that people use and
are productive with, but at the same time they collect
the most amount of data and that data is then
in turn used to train more advanced Aiyes.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
Right, makes sense.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Crazy dude, that's great. What companies do you think are
you know, heavily saturated with the development of these robots?
I mean you mentioned that, is it like DARPA is it?
Is it all of them?

Speaker 2 (28:56):
It's it's all of them. So I'm sure maybe some
of you have heard of Boston Dynamics. That's the robot
dogs that those That company is like over twenty years old,
and that was actually spun out from Darper Research. So
Boston Dynamics originated from darper research on robotics, and they
spun out and they did their own private company. They're

(29:18):
still probably funded partially by DARPA, which which makes sense
because they would probably want to own a lot of
the IP, the intellectual property out of that technology, or
at least be able to track it and know that
it's not being sold to like a foreign entity. Yeah,
that makes it. I mean Darkness been doing a lot
of work in that sphere. I mean there's been some

(29:40):
headlines around like China doing these robotic insects stuff. That
stuff is like thirty forty years old in DARPA, like
the United States.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
So sign you got to hold on insects technology.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yeah, elaborate on that point.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
You're blowing me away.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
So, I mean we always have that conspiracy of like
the pigeons with the camera. I was on their birds
to fly on the wall, but they were so.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
I don't mean to cut you off, but I do
this at least a few times a show. But uh,
my wife says that she's never seen a baby pigeon.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Such a funny thing to say. I remember when I
first heard that, I was cracking out.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
I'm like, I guess I haven't.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
I don't know, in the Walmart parking lot all every day,
all day, but I haven't seen a baby one.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, she raised a valid point. You didn't you did
these back to the insects. They yes, they were trying
to experiment with putting sensors micro sensors into insects during

(30:47):
their metamorphosis, so it would literally grow over the sensor
and then they'd be able to actually control the wires,
like the wires would be connected to one of their
neurons or the brain. They'd be able to control, like
cocker to is, to be able to control like butterflies
and things like that and use them as little surveillance tools. Essentially.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Wow, it's they it's a neurallink, dude for the insutty much.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, that technology actually evolved, That research actually evolved, and
it is actually being used by a lot of these
BCI brain computer interface research companies now. Because they took
a lot of that study that came out of it
and a lot of the research, they were like, Okay,
what works what doesn't work? Because it all starts in crementsally,
it all starts with like experimenting on insects, experimenting on

(31:34):
things over here. What were the results out of it?
What worked, what didn't work? What can we improve?

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Yeah? Yeah, has there been any so we on this
show we talk a lot about the hive mind, right,
Has there been any technology with bees or anything like that?

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yeah? So, I think it's called dark Back Killer Killer
Bees projects. So they were actually training bees to set
sniff out well, because these are extraordinary creatures when it
comes to scent. They were training them to actually sniff
out like explosives and not seaburn stuff. So chemical, biological

(32:11):
and rideological.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
Whoa dude, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Wow, Wow, man, it might it might suck in like
ten years, guys, it might suck. It's just like fake
insects all over the place, just spying on you.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Insect you know, the fly on the wall has always
been like the espionage kind of like the robot fly
that they got flying arounund and they're probably in an
awesome Powers movie or you know.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
All these Hollywood movies.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
But you know what's up with all the mosquitos now
and the geo the engineering of.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
Fruit flies to.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Get rid of you know, the flesh eating maggots down south.
They just did that. Recently, we talked about that a
little bit. But also Bill Gates, I think he is
trying to bioengineer mosquitos so we can get rid of
malaria too. And it's just like there's a big mosquito
problem even in Vegas right now. We have west now
virus going around Vegas with the no CM Stevie calls

(33:09):
and the no cms.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
It's a really weird mosquito that.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah, you just can't see them. It's hard to see.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
Yeah, you can catch them for a second and then
they like disappear. It's very weird.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
But yeah, no, I don't know, man, what do you
think about all the geoengineering is Is it relate to
any of this?

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah? Yeah, I think the well more it's actually more
so now and I'll get into that. And how it
started was was Chris ur nine, so CAST nine, the
gene editing tool that it discovered about I think it
was about ten years ago, eight years ago now. And yeah,
to your point, Bill Gates and a lot of the
other elites were like, hey, we could control populations of
insects now or completely eradicate entire populations of specific species.

(33:51):
They could literally create a virus that could target a
specific geno like and it's scary ast shit. And I
remember seeing a docum entry actually talk about like, hey,
this is this is like the world's biggest bioweapon essentially
that anyone could do. You can go online right now
and buy a DNA printer for ten grand. You can

(34:12):
go buy a DNA printer. They'll print any sequence DNA
you want. Yeah, you can go right now and find one.
I wouldn't get a TEMU one, but anyone now can
go get one and actually do their own secret. They
can run their own sequence right. And then there's software,

(34:32):
open source software now you can get to run your
DNA sequence and identify which protein markers that you could
swap out. I think some guy made his cat glow
in the dark too. There's some crazy shit. Yeah, there's
people are biohacking now. But anyone can go and create
a bioweapons lab in their garage now, which is pretty scary.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
So okay, so this DNA printer, what would be like
the application for a normal person, Well, what's the point.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Of for a normal person. I would imagine you could
specific I don't know, maybe you could cure specific skin
conditions that you have. I haven't seen any specific applications
on individuals. But there are entire biohacking communities that will
go and discuss their own experimentations, their own experiments on
forums and stuff, say hey, this one worked, here's my

(35:19):
here's my genome, here's.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
So, here's my glow in the dark dog.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yeah, I mean one of the other one of the
other things was was being able to So one of
the more nefurious things is for targeted assassinations. So if
you found let's say a high profile targets DNA sample,
sequenced it, you could create a virus that would literally
only kill that person. Wow, wow, everyone else would be fine.

(35:45):
It doesn't lock into their their you know, their cells
or whatever. And this specific virus targets that specific genome.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
And you know, it sounds somewhat familiar of what happened
a few years ago.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yes, we don't speak of those times. I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding, but yeah, no, it definitely does. Man,
it's and it's funny because a lot of people, including ourselves,
were having conversations. We didn't have a podcast yet, but
it definitely made me start a podcast that actually fell

(36:17):
and burned and then now we have this one.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
But did we start that after? Did you start that at.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
I know me and Louis did, because before that was
before because I remember exactly like Louis, it was October.
We're in the fire station, and this is when like
all the propaganda was going around on Facebook of you know,
China putting up you know, these little tiny cities pretty
much that were you know, isolation camps and and you know,

(36:46):
Louis turned. He looked at me as a military guy,
He's like, he's still a marine. And he looked at
me and he goes, this is another nine to eleven event.
And I was like, do explain. He's like, I think
we need to have a podcast. I was like, okay,
let's go. Let's talk about this. But I mean, just
talking about what we're getting into with with the fact
that we that man technology really sounds like what Oloff said.

(37:10):
It could be it's gonna it's our savior at some
point because of what good it can do. But if
it falls into the wrong hands, it seems like, man,
it could be I don't think we have a chance,
if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
You know, I think I think I think everyone's definition
of wrong hands and good hands is subject to interpretation, right. So,
and that's the thing. It's like we we think we're
doing good and then someone else is good as someone
else is evil, and that's right. So, and it's not
necessarily a problem. I think it's the beauty of It's
the nature of the yin and the yang, so to speak,

(37:45):
in the in the nature of the universe is always
going to be good and evil and evil and good
in that way. And I wanted to go back to
that point of how AI is actually exacerbating, not exacerbating,
but accelerating every single component of what I've just described
so far in this podcast. You're you're going to be

(38:06):
able to have these AI tools that can predict outcomes
and and today you can have an AI sitting locally
on a research scientist desk and run a genome sequence
and it would just be able to tell you, Okay,
this is what you got to do, and I'll just
print out the sequence and hey, take this orally and
I your cured. Right, So there's there, there are We're

(38:28):
getting there. And that's the kind of crazy things we're
talking about. Here's one example. There's a research team that
was using a machine learning algorithm to create inert toxins
or sorry, inert medical pharmaceutical components for the human body.

(38:50):
So this this AI was able to understand molecular biology
right and be able to model everything in one of
the days, what the professor was like, Okay, I can
create non toxic pharmaceuticals. What if I went in and
changed the zero to a one. What if I went
in and changed to ask the AI to produce the

(39:11):
most toxic chemicals known to mankind, or just say I
just flipped zero to one. So instead of creating non toxic,
it's creating toxic. And after about a week of this
program running, it was able to discover five like new
neurotoxins that were unknown to mankind. So it's it's it
can definitely be weaponized, right, and I think this could

(39:32):
I think the analogy here is similar to nuclear energy.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Right.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
You can use a nuclear bomb to blow up someone
it and create great harm, but nuclear power itself is
can really save a lot of people in the sense
of energy consumption. We can produce a lot of energy safely.
I think that same could be applied to AI. AI
could be used for nefurious things as well, But it
all depends on the human that's controlling.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
It right, right, absolutely, you know it's in the ethics. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
It's funny my uncle that we really am going to
be close to asking him to come on the show.
He's been then a tech field for many many years,
and I've been having an interesting conversation about AI with
him and the governance. And the last guy we had on,
Trevor Lohman, he is he's really into you know, he's

(40:26):
he's got a lot of credentials and he's a very
smart guy, and he says the same thing. It's like
it depends on you know, the programming, who who you know.
You can use it for a weapon or you could
use it for good. It's pretty simple idea, and I
agree with it to an extent. But then we get
into you know, I asked these guys like, hey, like
when does this become sentient agi or whatever you want

(40:49):
to call it. When does this When does this like
somehow get out of control? And this thing not only
from the data that it's collected, but when does it
be like actual sentience And it's not just about data,
it's about spirit or like you get where I'm going
with it, Like it's just like a demon almost like
the ghost in the machine.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Yeah, right, Well, and two like, when does it reach
a point of singularity?

Speaker 4 (41:15):
That's really what I'm saying exactly.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yeah, like like, and I want to get your thoughts
on this.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Yeah, I think it's I think it's gonna happen pretty fast.
And uh, here's here's another interesting thought provoking question. Is
what if it already did happen and we don't even know.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Well, look what Google's AI did. It started making its
own language and then they shut it down. That's the
supposed story, right.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
So I like to have this thought experiment because it's like,
all right, what if a high level like a top
secret AI research program, they achieve the singularity, they achieve AGI,
and now they have the most powerful predicted prediction tool
in the entire universe, and they can ask anything, and
they'll be able to predict outcomes, be able to predict events,

(42:03):
things like that. Why would you want to let anyone
else know that you have it? Well, wouldn't you want
to have that and kind of just sit on it
and maybe maybe let it, let it kind of govern
the world or pretend as humans governing the world. Who knows?
And this is a very interesting question because it's like,
I don't think anyone, I don't think a research scientist,

(42:25):
but like, oh my god, we achieved singularity and next
thing you know, he's publishing this paper.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
I don't think that's going to happen. I think it's
going to be. I think it's going to happen and
we won't even know about it until.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Yeah, that's a great point. I mean it goes to
what we're talking about with aerospace. Why would they let
the enemy know? You know, the United States has created
something through big a low aerospace or skunk works. Why
would we let anybody know, you know, forty years ago
that we had this and then we start rolling it
out forty years later. What's because we didn't want the

(42:57):
enemy to know. So it's the same type of.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Yeahs real quick man for the audience. Could you break
down AGI for us?

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Yeah? Sure, Artificial general intelligence. So AGI is essentially an
AI that is as smart as a human being, or
every human being in the entire world, I should say,
not just one, So every single human being in the
entire world. Their collective brain power, they're collective IQs put together.

(43:27):
AGI essentially is as smart as all every single human
being on the planet, and then you have one tier
above that, which is ASI, so artificial superintelligence, which as
you can imagine, is probably is the smartest, most intelligent
being in the entire universe. One of the other things
I'll add, the only limiting factor to AI reaching these levels,

(43:52):
in my opinion, is energy and data.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
One.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
There's not enough energy infrastructure in the world right now
to support that type of growth, but they're working on
building it. Google just bought five nuclear reactors. I think
some other companies are bought nuclear reactors to power these
things because they realize, whoever has the best AGE, whoever
has the better AGI or has the better AI, is
gonna win the game. It's gonna win the war.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
What do you think about Project Stargate? Do you think
they're gonna acquire something like that? They must, right, I
mean it's the biggest five hundred billion dollar project.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Yeah. I think that was a whole wake up call
to think, like for the administration to realize, Okay, yeah,
we're gonna throw everything because they probably have scientists talking
to them right now like this is this is the reality.
China is like right on our ass with UH, with AGI, research.
They're building a coal plant every week to support their

(44:46):
data centers. We need to start building nuclear infrastructure asap.
So they uh and yeah, they're they're building these giant
data centers. Now start project Stargate that the whole purpose
is for is for a gi.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
Yeah, no, implement into everything. You know.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
I meant to get SG one fan, So I was
kind of set that it was used for. You know,
I think I wanted to be a portal that takes
us to places come on like sliders.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
Or Dude, I was growing up as a kid.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
I've watched the original Stargate movie probably at least three
dozen or four dozen times at least throughout my life.
Big big fan. Yeah, yeah, I thought the same thing.
Immediately thought I'm like.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Ah, to use that.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
While we're on the topic of movies, I'm sure you
guys have seen Battlestar Galatka.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
Uh yes, a little.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
I don't think I have, which is super sad. Now
I'm going to watch it.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
It's super okay, isn't the show. It's yeah, it's a show.
And they did remake the show on Sci Fi Channel
when it when it was when it was when it
was the channel, right, I remember, it absolutely fascinating. They
that whole the whole idea about humans creating AI or

(46:04):
creating machines, and machines destroy the humans, and then humans
escape machines and it's a cycle. So they make it
into a cyclic kind of thing, which is very fascinating
to me, especially today, because it feels like a philosophical thing,
and it's a philosophical thing to think about. It's like,
all right, we've created AI, and we've created something that's

(46:25):
smarter than us. What is it? What is its purpose?
And maybe one of the first questions that we ask
it is what's the meaning of life?

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Right?

Speaker 2 (46:33):
And and then the AI says, Okay, I need to
go find the meaning of what the meaning of life is.
And it tries, can't find it, can't find it. Okay,
I need to run an experiment. I need to wipe
out all of humanity and start from scratch. Maybe that'll
tell me what the meaning of life is.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
Oh man, that's good.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
That's like, that's like that's like an exterminator Project Genesis. Right, Right,
what was the what was the AI called in terminator
sky net? Right? It was before it just went online globally, Right,
it was called Genesis and boom. Everyone thought, yes, yes,

(47:16):
it's going to tell us the meaning of life, right
per se right, and then Alo's.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
Going to link them to everything. It was just like
linking them.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Genesis was supposed to link everybody to everything all at once,
so they didn't have to worry about this the stress
of life anymore.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
They were linked to everything.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
And that's what I think Stargate's going to be is
it's going to be your bank. It's going to be
you linked to every facet in your life.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
I see a lot of what's happening with Ai and
the foundations of it with in a way nation rising
against nation, you know, which that's a part of the scriptures,
which is very interesting because it's like getting towards like
the end times of things, and we're kind of like
talking about that. But it seems like it seems like

(47:59):
it's all going to come together as one, or maybe
the plan is for that to happen, for all of
them to be connected to like bring in this golden age,
maybe this old idea of Atlantis, right, Like Atlantis was
this age where there was no I mean, it wasn't
like you had to go work eight hours a day,

(48:20):
to go, you know, feed yourself, just enough food for
the day. It was more like everything was really provided for.
The ecosystems were i mean top shape, right, and the
governance the ten kingdoms were their authority was was was
given the people what they'd needed. They didn't have to
work for a monetary slave system kind of like what

(48:40):
we do today.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
You know, Yeah, it's interesting that it's yeah of that. Yeah,
the social contract is definitely gonna change. There's just not
gonna be jobs that we are used to today. And look,
I hear, I hear that. I just did a report
on like drone pilots. Who wants to be a drone
pilot today? Drones are popular, right, Like how many pilots

(49:04):
do you think you need to pilot a drone today?
They're fully autonomous. Now I think in the next five
years all drones will be autonomously flunk. You won't need
a pilot. You'll need a supervisor that can supervise five
drones that are.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Flying management Man Palmer, Lunky Palmer, Lucky Anderill right, and
and Rell. Yeah, yeah, I remember doing some research on that.
That's actually the sword that took off the hand of
sod On in the Lord of the Rings. Yeah, you
know story The.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Lord of the Rings Nerds, they're all controlling the world now.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Yeah. Well, I mean, dude, it's so funny because I'm
a movie guy. You seem TODs like you're a movie
guy too. And what's that movie stealth right? Stealth? Well ye, Artificial.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Metology, you know, did the Incubous song?

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Yeah, yeah, it's like wild. I mean, what's what kind
of aircraft's do we have maybe in our Navy today
or air Force whatever, that are able to fly on
their own? Do we have anything like that or not?

Speaker 2 (50:06):
One that can fly in space by itself. The X
thirty seven B is uh all in this space shuttle
essentially that's been an operation for the last fifteen years.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
Dude, I gotta I gotta send you IM because I
don't think I can screen share this right away. Have
to send it to Stevie. Stevie, can we screen share?
I'll send this to you. Yeah, we can move on,
or I'll send that we can we can keep going,
I'll screen I'll screen share this later. It's about a
it's about a craft that I saw over Calico Basin
and I saw it with a friend while I was paintballing.

(50:37):
It was completely cloaked, and then eventually I saw it
years and years later because I was like, what am
I looking at? It doesn't look aerodynamic at all, It's
just floating and it was way way up. And then
I saw it posted on Instagram or TikTok. I think
it was TikTok and it's it's it was claiming to
be a Lockheed Martin craft. But I want to get
your take on this. I'm gonna we can move on

(50:59):
and I'm gonna send this to him.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Yeah, well do you do do we have technology that
is able to camouflage?

Speaker 2 (51:06):
I wouldn't be surprised. Well, okay, so yes and no
mostly yeah, don't tell me what I saw.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
I saw it.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
I'm trying to remember what it's all. So this research,
because once again goes back to research professors. His research
professor was working on I think he was out of
t if I'm not mistaken, but he was working on
a cloak and his webs the website's gone now so
so which means he probably was bought out. The IP
was bought up. He developed the cloaking device that was

(51:38):
able to replicate the surrounding light. So it was able
to bend the light in such a way that it
wasn't refracting, It wasn't bouncing it back. It was still
passing through it, but it was able to refract the
light that was behind it in front of it, right, right,
So think about like polarization almost, so you're kind of
flipping the light in a way and you're able to

(52:00):
actually just see what's behind the person or behind the
object in front of the in front of the person.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
It's right, Yeah, I saw that. Yep.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
They would use like a blanket and he'd like test
it with the blanket in front of him, right, which
is wild because it was very It looked very accurate.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
I don't know, a very simple too. It's very intuitive.
It was very easy to use, so to speak. And
I think that's the big thing is how much energy.
If it doesn't require a lot of energy to do it,
then that's a significant advantage in that space.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
All right, I just sent that email to you, Okay,
I'll get it going, yeah, and when you pull it up,
I'd like to describe to you what it was doing.
Because this is a still image and it's not cloaked
in this image, but I drew a.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
Picture of it years ago. This was when I saw this.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
This was about two thousand and seven or two thousand
and eight, I think it was two thousand and seven.
And there where we were playing paintball was out near
Calico Basement. But now there's a bunch of homes out there.
It's a suburban area. Now there's all homes. It's crazy.
But we were in the middle of the desert back then,
and it was very weird.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Man.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
It was I've seen a bunch of stuff. It's all
on the same spot. And I always tell everybody. I
was like, these are not aliens. This is our government
or the aerospace programs, simple as that.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
So this is what I saw.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
You see that taj Yeah, okay, So this was completely cloaked.
It was really high up and it was hard to see.
And I remember drawing the three points here, and you
see these two little circles on the right side or
the I guess the left side when you're looking at it.
For the two little circles right there were actually rotating
off of it and spinning and rotating around each other

(53:47):
slowly on the side of the craft. But this is
exactly what I saw. So when I saw this, I'm like,
what in the star trek am I looking.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
At bro right?

Speaker 3 (53:58):
I'd and I really saw this, Like this is like
we were not we were young kids. This is the
twenty eleven. We weren't doing anything. We were drinking, we
were playing paintball, you know, we weren't. It was it
was it was the It's definitely the craziest thing.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
Well, I've seen some of the crazy.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Stuff, so I mean, i'mready with with with this technology.
It does come off UFO, Man, it comes off UFO.
The propaganda behind it is to build up the public
perception that that aliens exist. And for what reason do
they want us to believe that aliens exist? It makes
me think of the Ronald Reagan United Nations speech where
he's like, hey, what if we were all opposed, you know,

(54:38):
to a global event where you know there's this extraterrestrial threat,
you know that that we all had to come together,
right as this new World order? You know, the New
World Order has been a concept that it's not due.
It's been talked about, I mean for a long time. Right,
this is like this this concept of Atlantis, right, this

(55:00):
new World Order, it's taje. What do you, what are
your thoughts with do you think it's like all syop?

Speaker 2 (55:09):
I don't think. I don't think it all is a
sye op in order for their like the idea behind
having a sye op is that you're trying to alter
people's perception and beliefs into a specific direction. So if
you were to kind of go along with the sye op,
and what would what would be the end result? What
would be the end goal of this sye op? You

(55:30):
take a look at what the end goal is, and
you take a look at what the opposite of that is,
and that kind of gives you an idea as to
why they're doing the sye up in the first place,
or why they may be doing the si op in
the first place. That being said, you know, it's hard
to say, like, I don't. I think I asked myself
the question as to lie It's like, what would be

(55:50):
the purpose of having something aside from just controlling an
entire population like the world population, which I think is
quite quite a stretch because I don't think you could
bring control to that level of that many humans, right,
I mean, I think it's.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Got to be independence day, right, It's got to be
a threat from a different universe. We have to all
come together, now, you know.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
And it's yeah, I mean that's a fair point. I see.
We see a lot of this stuff too, and you
might think about like a predictive programming, Right, you've seen
my movie sci fi novels, they talk about this stuff
and then everyone has a general consensus of like, Okay,
we're all coming together to fight this one threat. It
makes sense. It's pretty big to pull off, I think
in my opinion, like it would have to. There's just

(56:41):
we're just so well connected today, Like there's so much
tech that we all have connection, Like there'll be that
Let's just say hypothetically they did pull something off and
they start running this stuff and people like, no, this
is bullshit. We're on like we're on X now, we're
recording it ourselves, Like you can see all this stuff.
It's bullshit and all this stuff, all this information is

(57:02):
being spread, like who do you believe at that point?
And like, and we kind of saw something similar with
COVID too, right, so if you kind of take a
look at take a look at that as a case study.
I remember following COVID and hearing about like patient zero
November first in Wuhan, China, Like we all, not all
of us, but most of the people on four Chan

(57:24):
and a lot of the forums are like, oh my god,
what the hell is happening. And then we saw first
and foremost how they kind of took that and twisted it,
and they started experimenting with what they could get away
with in terms of control. Hey, stay in your house, curve,
you know, fatten the curve, blah blah blah. See what
you gotta do. Yeah, And it's crazy because you saw

(57:44):
how many people kind of were just like, Okay, we're
gonna go, we're gonna go with.

Speaker 4 (57:48):
This, We're gonna go and apply.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Yeah, come fly. And then if you look at it, it
was more more or least like half of the population.

Speaker 4 (57:56):
I'm telling you right now.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
I just told Stevie this the other day, and I
was talking to my dad about this. If you look
up the data, technically, I think somewhere around seventy two
percent of the world's population took the vaccine, and we're
going to have to added that out. But yeah, I
mean that just shows you right there.

Speaker 4 (58:11):
I mean it's it's.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Fifty, it's over fifty. So maybe they're thinking like Okay,
we have a shot that right.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Right. It was almost like a dry run of more
like a social experiment to where, hey, how many people
are going to react in this way that we want
them to react, you know, like the Hegelian dialect. Right,
it's like problem reaction solution and ready, go and just
see where we're at. You know. It's almost like when
you throw you know, you're hunting a big game, right,
but you're hunting a big game that is also has

(58:40):
the threat that that can kill you. You want to
send your dogs out first and see how it reacts to,
you know, a conflict. So then you see, okay, well
it does this, it does that. Now you know when
when the second round comes in, Okay, I'm going to
go and flank it from this way because it's it's

(59:00):
it's it's.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Weaking, you know, being attacks. Yeah, I mean yeah, it
makes sense. Like like let's just run another thought experiment
and like put ourselves in these elite shoes that are
like these people are so arrogant, so rich, they have everything.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
They want in the world, right, and they they they
have everything you want except complete control, complete power, population,
and you ran, let's just say hypothetically like you ran
this experiment, ran this COVID experiment.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
You were measuring responses. Now you have an idea of
like how people respond to perhaps something more in the furious,
like maybe a hypothetical alien invasion. How do you how
do you proceed? Like how in your mind we're just rats,
We're just like we're just ants on a hill, like
they don't care.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
We're like sheep man exactly. And so it's funny thinking
of those times. Now, this was before AI was familiar,
we were familiar. This was before we were familiar with AI, right,
and what if AI was just absorbing all this data
right right to where? Now? Who knows? I mean, do
you think like AI at some point will be its

(01:00:07):
own entity, like its own consciousness?

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Yeah, dude, that's it's such a deep one because we
don't we don't even know what is today like in
our own like what human consciousness is. We can't really
define it, we can't quantify it. In my opinion, I
think I think I think AI is going to thrive

(01:00:32):
to understand what consciousness is. It's gonna try to understand
and try to get like have it if that makes sense?
Interesting because it might even think that it doesn't have it,
and they're gonna say, what do I need to do
to have it? What do I need to do to
have a soul? Right?

Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
All rights are talking about it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
So this makes this is so funny because this brings
up you know, Avengers age of Ultron, Right, So Ultron
is this artificial intelligence, right, And throughout the whole movie, dude,
he was so powerful, and he kept getting more powerful
and more powerful and more powerful. His physique started getting
bigger and bigger and bigger. Right, he would even destroy

(01:01:14):
his old self and he would walk through and he
would be like ten times the size of like that
bot that he was just in. And then but his
ultimate plan, his ultimate goal was to reach some sort
of like deification or like apotheosis where he was trying
to build a body. Remember he was trying to build

(01:01:35):
that body. That body was vision, but he did he
wasn't able to go into it. And it seems like
that's like that's how to finalize this ritual or this
concept of consciousness. Maybe it it's maybe it's going to
seek flesh one day. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Maybe maybe it'll seek mortality as opposed to immortality, And
I think that's maybe that's the that's the true beauty
of life itself, is the fact that we can live
and die at the same you know, in the same timeline. Yeah,
you know, the machines around us, they're gonna live until,
you know, forever, until the energy runs out or until.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
That's a good point. That's a good point. That's like,
once there's terminators or just bots, right, robots or whatever,
they don't have to worry about hypertension or there's high HbA.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
There's an interesting h idea or you know thought experiment
of you know, in the future when we have archaeologists
digging up parts of Earth and they start finding like
iPhones and they start finding circuits and stuff, and like,
oh what we'll live down here? Oh what do these
guys do to screw up?

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
That's that's funny you bring that up, man, because that
just circles us back into Project Bluebean, because it's a
four stage process. Right. That's written by Serge Monost and uh,
you know he's he was like Canadian reporter and he
writes that the first step in this big plan, this
Project Bluebeam, is to fake, fake, you know, archaeological hoaxes,

(01:03:13):
you know, to where they're gonna fake earthquakes, and those
earthquakes are going to open up the ground, loosen up
the ground and reveal things that were you know, buried
of ancient times. Right, It's kind of like finding a
cell phone. But what if we found like a craft
or something, you know, something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
Can we show can we show Taj the uh?

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
John Adolphi because he talked about Taj just saying, you know,
they're finding these like the Nokia iPhone and like some
depictions of other technologies and even even like some stuff
that's like how do you put it this way? It's
petrified and it's like you would you'd think that the

(01:03:59):
petroph vocation would take a lot longer. But John Adolphie,
we had him on a while ago. He has the Lost.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
Have you heard of him?

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
He as a Lost World museum in New York. He's
on TikTok, I think. But he's got a great video.
If I can find it, I'll email it over if
Stevie can find it first.

Speaker 4 (01:04:18):
That is what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
But it's just a great uh. You know a lot
of people think petrification takes you know, years or something,
but but under certain circumstances, it could take you know,
hundreds of years or even less. But yeah, well I'll
try to find it's a great video. Sorry, sorry, I'm looking.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
I think you sent me something like that before in
the past. I just can't find it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
But it's all good. I'll find it. I'll find it.
I'll find it. Let's move let's move on.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
So I mean, yeah, dude, we're getting in the mud
here this episode. Sometimes it can get dark, but it
is what it is. You have to have these kind
of conversations. And I mean, on a positive note, I
do think that artificial intelligence and I think it's going

(01:05:13):
to somehow promote a lot of good things, right like
we see it get merging with the healthcare system right
now where RFK, doctor Oz and Trump were are. They
had this conference the other day. And I'm not like
a big political guy. I think it's all somewhat kind
of theater because they're on TV and I'm in video production,

(01:05:35):
and so every time I put something out for my
viewers to see, I make sure everything I want the
viewer to see is in there, if that makes any sense.
So there's manipulation in a way. So is there any
any AI companies that you think are involved in the

(01:05:56):
healthcare system.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot of startups in
that space. I know a few people currently that are
in that space in the healthcare space using AI at
a very low level, like bare bones AI wise, like
automations within charting, So a lot of the record keeping
and things like that, that's all being automated by AI.

(01:06:20):
It's being so you're having doctors keep records and instead
of having all these notes being put in place, you
have the AI kind of auto filled these features in
And that's like bare bones aspects of AI. There's I'm
sure you may have heard of AI being used to
analyze like X rays and analyze MRI scans and finding

(01:06:40):
and detecting things at a much higher accuracy than actual
doctors are actual radiologists. So what you're gonna see is
you're going to start to have like these hybrid models
in place where the AI is gonna be working alongside
of these radiologists, alongside these doctors, and it's going to
augment their work. It's gonna make their jobs a lot easier.

(01:07:01):
Most cases, the AI will become smarter and more efficient
and better at doing the doctor's shop than the doctor himself. Right,
the other thing you have to keep in mind is
these these AI tools, they don't sleep, you know, they
don't need to rest, they don't need to go on vacation.
So that's the very other, that's the other powerful nature.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
That's a great point, dude, that's a great point.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Yeah. So if I need to seek help, if I
need to get like something figured out right now, I
don't have to go to the emergency. I'm gonna just
pull up like my AI doctor start running a running
a scam on my body or you know, by then
maybe our phones, our phones already have like alid our
systems built into them, so eventually you just need like
a near infrared camera that can kind of scan your body.

(01:07:44):
Now you have like some Star Trek stuff where you know,
the tricoder you're scanning, somebody's able to upload the data
to the AI is like, Okay, this is what's wrong
with you or this you might have to go go
drink this or go do this, like it'll be that
that specific. I think in the near future, and I
say near future, I'm talking about within the next five years,

(01:08:04):
because I've seen firsthand micro sensors, micro needle sensors that
can go on top of your skin and measure the
like specific elements in your interstitial fluid underneath your skin
and be able to administer stuff as well. So all
this stuff you've seen in sci fi with like the
it's crazy you know, Star Trek stuff like that stuff is.

(01:08:27):
It was all conceptualized then right like they thought of it.
They put it in they put it in a movie,
they put it in a book, they put it in
a TV show. So they thought about these things first
and foremost, and now they're kind of now they have
the technology to kind of implement these tech you know,
this tech, it's pretty wild. I've seen one tech, one
piece of technology that uses the webcam and the AI

(01:08:50):
is built into the webcam and it's able to actually
analyze the blood flow in your face and tell you you're
what you could be diagnosed with based on that data.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
So it's yeah, yeah, and you're right dude with them.
I even think it was. I saw an MIT article
a long time ago, but I did. I've been doing
this big research study on quantum technologies and basically there's
a lot of different kinds of sensors, you know, in
the quantum realm where they're able to read and sense

(01:09:23):
body activity data. So it's kind of like what you
were saying, right, where those little micro crystal needles, right,
it's like, for example, that the quantum dot tattoo, right
that MIT came out and was doing experiments with back
in twenty seventeen or something. It was a Bill Gates
funded research program. But there's actual quantum dots that are
able to be and people when they think of like

(01:09:46):
quantum dots are like, oh, they just think of the televisions.
They think of it as just a pixel. But that's
how it's able to like transmit information, right, And that's
why we see images on a TV screen that's in quantum.
It's because you know, they're they're told, they're told some
sort of coding and then they just they calibrate to
where they need to be, what color they need to

(01:10:07):
be at, and that's like that's how we see it.
So they're actually experimenting with putting quantum dots into people.
There's a big toxic load behind it, which they're trying
to kind of work around with any kind of uh
you know schedule clinical research company that that's what they do,
and it's.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
Kind of graphy inoxide.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Yeah, well it's just even just quantum dots in itself. Man,
anything that is you know of those little nanocrystals, or
they could be it's carbon. It can be many different
kinds of things. They're like little semiconductors. But do you
think they're like micro chips in a way or they

(01:10:52):
function like one. They don't have to look like it, but.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
They knowledge how I guess, I guess what I would assume.
I don't know too much about the quantum dots, but
I would assume if it is what you're describing, it
would be it would be something as not as simple
as but if you have two entangled particles, right, two
entangled quantum particles, if something happens to one, then the

(01:11:17):
reverse happens to the other instantaneously across any distance or space.
So that itself could be a very powerful communication tool.
And if you could convert an entangled particle into as
you say, a sensor, it could sense specific movements from
the other quantum particle it's entangled with. So there aren't

(01:11:38):
a lot of experiments being done in space to create
these quantum communication channels as well, which brings about another
quandary in Einstein's general relativity, because I've always had this
thought experiment of all right, if we're traveling, you know,
at near the speed of light, and we go to
a star system, as you know that people on Earth

(01:11:58):
are going to be aging a lot faster right as
you go farther out. But if you have a quantum
communication device and you're able to communicate instantaneously with them,
how would that affect like that space crip? Right? So
it's very interesting to think about, and I have no idea.
This is always fun. It's always mind boggling to think about.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
What was that experiment called as like the double slid
or something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
That's what it's called double sled experiment. Oh wow, I
got it right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
What is that? What's an experiment?

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Take a laser and I'm pretty sure it's like you
shine it through not a dual slit, like even a
piece of paper, like a thin piece of paper, and
you shine it through the length why, like the length
of the paper. That's why you'll get an interference pattern
on the wall. And it's kind of showcasing that the
photons are acting both as waves and particles at the

(01:12:52):
same time.

Speaker 4 (01:12:53):
Mm hmmm, because it's splitting, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Literally splitting, but they're the part of finding way around
the paper right right, So it's acting as a wave too,
so you're getting like kind of like that ripple effect
when you throw a rock in a pond. You see
there's little rebels. It's similar to that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
That's wild man, that's wild dude. You've got to dive
into the quantums. The quantum the quantum dot stuff is
kind of crazy. But then there's graphie quantum dot. This
is this whole concept of this technology of the quantum dots.
It's that's crazy. I've heard the guy I forget the
guy who patented I think in twenty twenty three. But basically,

(01:13:34):
you you're you're confirming a lot of things that I've
been talking about on this show as far as our
phones are built for things that are how do I
say this, but our phones are built for things that
are coming in the future. They're just not here yet.
They have capabilities, right, the potential there. Their potential is

(01:13:56):
set for a higher standard that will be here. And
you know, there's a patent that I found and I'm
not sure if you're familiar with it, but it's Microsoft patent.
They came out with this patent in twenty nineteen, just
before things kind of start popping off in the social
media and in the media of the world. But it's

(01:14:18):
a patent and it's it's a Microsoft patent twenty twenty
zero six zero six zero six AI. And what's interesting
about this patent that is it talks about basically, there's
a sensor and there's a user where the user, there's
a sensor integrated with the user at some point. It
doesn't describe if it's in the body, it doesn't describe

(01:14:40):
if it's on the body. It just says what it does.
But what it does is it sense, and it senses,
and it it retrieves body activity data. And then with
this body activity data, you're able to mine cryptocurrency. And
you know, there's this talk of like a universe, so
income Elon Musk talks about it, Trump talks about it. Uh,

(01:15:04):
you know, do you think it's possible for this technology
to be integrated not only with the human body, but
that you're able to mine currency with it as well?

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Yeah? I think I think that's definitely plausible. And what
I mean, how do I define that? Well, if you
think about it, let's just say hypothetically, you have an
AI that needs to continually grow and continually learn, but
we need people to kind of train the AI and
how to do it. We need we need users to

(01:15:38):
interact with it. So I think eventually what we will
get to a point where, Yeah, you're going to be
essentially paying these people, paying people to interact with this
AI every single second of the day perhaps, and that's
going to be the way that's gonna be the form
of income is interacting with the AI using.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
So crazy, dude, because that's also in the World Economic
for document that I get into that it's a I
have it right here just so on specifically so just
so I can let you know about it. But it's
called Advancing Digital Agency the Power of Data Intermediaries, And
this was an Inside report in twenty twenty two, and
it talks about an intermediary, that intermediary being AI, the

(01:16:19):
fact that there's going to be something that converges with
human thinking and machine thinking. And in a way, our
intermediary is our phone, right, I mean we summon her
in some sort of way when we say hey, Siri, right,
and it pops up and it's like, hey, I'm here,
but it's always there. And it talks about in this

(01:16:43):
report that there's there's a progression of this state. And
this is like a forgive me, this is like a
fifty page document thing, but I want to read this
to you. And it talks about out the progression of
its state, and specifically, it goes from being something that

(01:17:06):
we use every day right now, our cell phones, and
that's in the now section, and it's basically, oh and
it's got digital ID right here. We hear that term
a lot, right, digital ID and all that, But basically
it's it's our healthcare status, it's it's the web browsers, applications,
mobile devices, all that kind of stuff that we're using today.

(01:17:27):
That the evolution of that would be just the one step,
you know, the one tier higher than that, right, which
would be you know, smart devices, agents and all this
kind of stuff. And then the future of that would
be uh, next level data intermediaries embedded in body devices.

(01:17:50):
And so I'm like, oh, so they're they're they want
to put something in your body. Right, So, when I
was experimenting and not experimenting, but.

Speaker 4 (01:18:00):
How I was going to say, what experiment?

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
It's more like a thought experiment, right. But but as
I'm researching, you know, finding these sensors. The only thing
I could find that fits a match with this is
like this these quantum dots, uh, and they're actually trying
to put and this pamful this uh you know, insight
report matches with this patent, and then this patent matches

(01:18:24):
with another patent. It's so weird, Ben, because these things
are like all compartmentalized. They don't just tell you everything
at once. They break it up into different things, which
it's harder to find, locate, and and understand that way.
But with all that said, quantum dots are able to
be connected to a quantum ledger, and then that quantum

(01:18:47):
ledger is able to be connected to a blockchain. And
so what are your thoughts with like the money system
in our future?

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
I think? I mean so blockchain technology itself has been around,
I mean we all we all don't know how, Like
who made bitcoin? Some people say it's CIA, some people
say it's a Tohi Kimodo, whoever, but a lot of
the I think the future of currency itself will definitely
be digital, digital, digitalized. I think it'll be back, probably

(01:19:25):
be backed up by by something hard like gold for example.
The tokenization aspect of it it's just the ability to
be able to transmit and make an immutable transaction and
not being able to hack it. It's gonna be interesting.
That being said, any anyone in power probably wouldn't want

(01:19:46):
something that's completely decentralized. You want something centralized. So it's
gonna be it's gonna be intriguing to see where that goes.
I think there's a couple of contenders right now in
the cryptocurrency space, like could be leveraging, could be leveraged,
like I think.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
I don't know some of the names. I am not
too familiar with a lot of the cryptocurrencies, but I
think I think it is the future of finance, just
because of the fact that you can transact immutably on
the blockchain now. But who would want to do that
right anything? That's that's the thing is if you make
this big enough where well, you're not gonna be able

(01:20:25):
to buy a house unless you're participating on the blockchain.
You're not gonna be able to buy a car unless
you're participating on the blockchain. That's doesn't sound like, yeah,
that's what the problem arises. Yeah, that sounds like COVID, right,
So it's like, you can't do this unless you're vaccinated.
That's that's a big thing. I think that's the big
aspect of control. And that's a big lever that's going
to be used, I think to move a population one

(01:20:48):
direction or the other. And that's something you gotta be
aware of for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
Yeah, no doubt, man, No doubt, dude. It's a it's
interesting man, especially too with Trump. Uh. I think they
passed what was it the Genius Act, which was able
to establish some sort of financial foundation for stable coins
in the future of cryptocurrency trading and buying and selling

(01:21:15):
and that kind of stuff. Which it's easy, man, And
it is like very uh, it's it's very easy to use,
you know, buying something that quick, that fast. I hold XRP.
So I'm hoping it goes to the moon. Baby, I'm
gonna I fell for it. Okay, I'm one of those guys.

Speaker 4 (01:21:34):
I had it when it was ripple years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
I'm not going to tell you how much have you got?

Speaker 4 (01:21:39):
Like three billion dollars?

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
What? What?

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
What did you say?

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
I was, I was I was trying to imitate you.
You're like I got three Oh, I'm not going to
say how much.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you got three.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
I think it's going to be a very interesting curacy,
especially when it comes to space exploration, which is another
big thing we're going to be. Like, you know, they're
talking about putting a nuclear reactor on the Moon. Now,
we already have technically a nuclear reactor on Mars, which
is what.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
Okay, let's get into this, dude.

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
You just said something I never heard before.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
Let's get into this, dude. Just tell me everything you
know right now.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
Technically, let's start with technically we already have a nuclear
reactor on Mars.

Speaker 4 (01:22:25):
Let's start there, Mark.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
Okay, So the Spirit and Opportunity rovers have RTGs into
them built into them, which are radio thermonuclear generators. Okay,
they've only made like, they only made a certain amount
of them because they can only make so many of
them because it uses plutonium, and plutonium's lab created. So
NASA is only allocated a certain amount of plutonium to
make I think I forget which number it was, but

(01:22:49):
it's definitely less than like six or something RTGs and
and RTG can essentially run for thousands of years or
hundreds of years. Wow. So yeah, so Spirit Opportunity on
Mars or Tech technically have RTGs and they actually have
to bury them into the ground. I'm pretty sure after
they've they've are finished using it. But it is a

(01:23:11):
great power source for any astronauts standing up there in Mars.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
So what was the What was that they made a
documentary about one of the rovers on Mars. I think
I watched it a couple of years ago. You remember
that was it Spirit and Opportunity. I thought it was
the same. It was actually really heartfelt, like it was
like an emotional journey.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
Yeah, I've never seen it, not too sure, but I
know that the movie with what's the Mars its just called?
I think it's just called Mars Martian with Martian was with.

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
Matt Damon, I think, which was super impressive, right, Yeah,
that Potatoes on Mars pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (01:23:54):
Yeah, threw himself up, I think, right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
That's to get cool. The other thing they're experimenting with,
not to kind of drive off of Mars, but the Moon.
They're actually working on building or composing coming up with
uglyth is is what lunar rock is called, or lunar dust.
So they're experimenting with creating cement mixtures with regolith to

(01:24:20):
have three D printers on the moon print moon bases,
so insteads.

Speaker 4 (01:24:25):
Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
I remember back in social studies and I think the
fifth grade UH in New York, and they taught us
how the Native Americans made cement, and I went outside
of the school and I mixed up dirt, water and
rock and it worked. I created a really big problem
in front of the solidified So that's that. There's no doubt,

(01:24:52):
that's totally possible.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
Yeah. Absolutely. The three D printing technology is another cool
topic as well. There's a lot of people, well, there's
some conspiracies around where the technology came from because it
kind of appeared out of nowhere. A lot of people
think it came from like that crash UFO and rosswell,
because when they discovered the UFO, it didn't have any seams,

(01:25:14):
so it was like it was three D printed.

Speaker 4 (01:25:17):
And a lot of this is what Bob said, right, Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
A lot of the SLS printers. So the specific methodology
for three D printing called SLS, which is selective laser centering.
It uses a high powered laser to shoot at powdered
like titanium powdered metals and it melts it rapidly and
solidifies it later by layer. So when you do something

(01:25:40):
like that, you create a metallic object that has no seams,
no bulls, nothing, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
Wow wow yeah, yeah, you know the Bob Blazar thing.
That's so funny. That was so when me and Jesse
linked back up after our twenty year separation. We were
together at birth and then we got separate, rated, and
then we came back together. But I go out to Vegas,
I go and I see him after a very long,

(01:26:07):
long journey away from him. But we watched the Bob
Blazar documentary and that with Jeremy Corbel. Right, what was
it called Area fifty one.

Speaker 4 (01:26:19):
Yeah, Bob Blazarre in Area fifty one, Area.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
Fifty one, and he talks about S four and that
he was his whole story, right, yeah, the whole story
and everything like that. Do you do you think that
these crafts are something that that they actually do power
off of, uh, you know, manipulating gravity.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
I think, well, I think it's something. I think it's
I think they're manipulating something from a different dimension. That's
what I think.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
So what do you mean by that? Like?

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
Okay, well, because if it was in our dimension, we'd
be seeing effects by the gravitation like you can't. There
would be gravitational effects that we would be able to
see here, Like there's no like anti gravity per se,
but there's vacuum energy. There's negative energy like that exists,

(01:27:15):
but it's it comes from a different dimension. It's uh.
And there's been experiments on that by Dart book to
create negative energy that comes out of like a different
dimensional plane, the quantum realm, so to speak. And you've
seen that in movies too, right, yeah, yeah, so that stuff, like,
I think you could extract a lot of energy from there.

(01:27:37):
You can manipulate space and time theoretically from there, and
that could potentially give you the results in our like
all right. A good example of this would be there's
a book called Flat World, Flat Man, I think it's called.
So it's about a character that's in the two dimensions

(01:27:58):
two dimensional space. So even if you write on a
piece of paper like a stick figure man. Yeah, if
you write on a piece of paper a stick man,
it's technically not still not two dimensions because we're in
a three dimensional space. But let's just say for hypothetical
stake where you have these characters that are two dimensional
and we're looking at them. If they're looking up at us,

(01:28:21):
we're gonna be very different. We're not gonna look like
they can't comprehend the third dimension. Right, It's like asking
a fish what is outside of the fish bowl, because
it's a different dimension outside of the fish bowl. They
can't look outside and see all the other spaces around,
all the other space around it. So there are other
dimensions within our realm here, within our universe's four dimension,

(01:28:43):
fifth dimensions, et cetera. So if these objects are interacting
with other dimensional things and elements outside of our dimension,
then it would look completely different to us. Right, we
would be like, oh wait, that's impossible, But in that
dimension it is possible.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
Right, So, so what is the dimension of space? Because
usually when they characterize what space is, it seems like
they put a two dimensional grid through it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
They also made it dark matter too, which is also
cues up the what you were just saying. It's well,
you said something like dark matter.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
So dark matter dark matter is essentially it's it's mattered
that scientists have came my name up, made a name
up for that does exactly the opposite of what normal
matter does in the universe, so like, oh, we'll colloquially
call it dark matter because you don't know what the
hell it does. And dark energy is saying dark energy
is accelerating the universe, and it's not supposed to accelerate

(01:29:43):
the universe. It's supposed to be slowing down essentially, So
it's I might have mixed those two up, but it's
the point is that they've come up with these names
to describe things they don't necessarily understand or comprehend yet,
and maybe they do, and they just publicly are saying that, hey,
we don't know what the energy stuff is.

Speaker 4 (01:30:01):
Yeah, good point.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
And when you see like a like when you look
at like the the illustration of space and with the
Big Bang, it looks like it's almost like a cone.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
Yeah yeah, So that's kind of just a it's an
easier way to kind of for us as humans to
kind of understand it from that point, because since it's
homogeneous the universe, like every point in space is expanding,
it's kind of hard to wrap your head around it
when they explain it that way, But it's easier for
me to show you on a two dimensional paper or

(01:30:35):
image like it being shown like a cone essentially.

Speaker 1 (01:30:39):
Right, right, And that made me think of when you
were like, you know, when you're inside the fish bowl,
you can't really see what's outside of it, but if
there is like a shape to space, like we're a
cube within a cube, right, so we the character, you know,
we illustrate like what the inside of the cube looks like,
because that's all we really know, but what does the
outside kind of look like?

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
Yeah. One of the other cool theories is there's a
theory called quantum syllipsism, which is an interesting idea or philosophy,
I should say, where human beings like create the universe
in from them, so it's like they're creating the universe
they observe. And in quantum mechanics shortening as cat like,

(01:31:21):
if you don't see it or you don't think about it,
then it's in a quantum state. It's in multiple different
realities or in multiple different instances. But until you kind
of go around the corner, look at it, or even
think about.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
It consciously, wow.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
You've actually collapsed the wave function and created reality for yourself.
And in the bug bud Ghita and other religious texts,
they say, as man believes, so he becomes so if
someone believes something's happening, then the universe will make that happen.
It will create itself in front of it'll render like
a video game. And this kind of goes back to
my theory of like maybe we live in a simulation.

(01:31:55):
Maybe we're just in a giant video game.

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
It's so tough to fathom. It's that it's that quote
if a tree falls in the woods and no one's there,
will you hear it? And it's just hard for me.

Speaker 1 (01:32:07):
To simulation thing gets me too. I just don't. I haven't.
I don't understand it. Is there a way you could
break that down for me to kind of grasp.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
So, like I guess when you're playing a normal video
game like Grand the Thoughto or in the video game,
and you have to kind of like a loading screen, right,
and it's like rendering the environment in front of you,
Or if you're looking down a scope in a big
map and you can't you can't really make out the objects.
They look like blocks, and then slowly it starts to

(01:32:37):
come into view and starts to kind of render, right,
same concepts here, but because the photons that when the
photon hits your eye, it sets a signal, and the
electron signal goes to your brain. Then your brain like
understands it. There's still a lag there's like there's a
latency involved there. So technically you're not even experiencing real

(01:33:03):
time in time.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
Yeah crazy, Well, it's almost like what you said at
the beginning of the show, like when you're looking out
in a space, you are kind of like looking back
in time maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
Right, and maybe just like a relative right, And I
think so it goes back to time being the fundamental
unit of measurement in the entire yearse It's the number
one component that even AI can escape time, right. It's
interesting to think about. But back to the video game thing, like,

(01:33:36):
I don't know what one of the questions that even
Elon askers, like if if as I, if we had
an ASI, one of the questions you'd ask is like,
what's outside the simulation? Is? Who knows? Do you think
a fish asks what's outside the fish pool?

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
Right? Right? I don't think so, I mean maybe maybe right, maybe,
Like we're.

Speaker 3 (01:34:01):
Not fish though, you know, this is the whole animal
and scentient. You know, it's like what what other animal
in the world that we know of is anything like
us as far as like, you know, critical thinking and
like being.

Speaker 4 (01:34:16):
Able to reason. You know, we're so far beyond everything,
and you know what, maybe we're not.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
Because I hear they don't let us and they don't
let us interact with dolphins. Apparently that's illegal, and it's.

Speaker 4 (01:34:29):
Like, what, it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
I mean, maybe there is some animals that are so
simple as dolphins that actually have that intelligence.

Speaker 4 (01:34:39):
Ah, yes, yeah, great, I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
So Tas with with the concept of interdimensional do you
think that there's life that is in the interdimensional space?

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
Hmm, yeah, I think I go to I go back
to my my. The question that I love to ask,
what when it comes to these types of questions or
any questions gener was why would there not be? And
then why would there be? Right? So kind of answering
those two questions helps kind of bring about some level
of understanding why would they why would there be? Well,

(01:35:14):
I mean, there's more dimensions to our space and time, like,
there's just plenty of room. I guess if that's the
If that's the concern, there's plenty of room for life
to grow in other dimensions. You know, I don't think
we're necessarily bound by chains to this third dimension to
three dimensions, why would there not be well, I see

(01:35:37):
that's even the scarier question. It's like, then we're just
alone out here. I don't think we're just alone out here.
I don't think, you know, I don't know. That's it's
a very interesting question.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
Do you think like the fourth dimensional space, because we
talk about this on the show, do you think the
fourth dimensional space is has a different it's not materialized right, like, uh,
like our creation is what it's uh or what we
live in, right is solid liquid gas?

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
Right, it's a matter.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
States of matter. Right. Do you think like there's the
possibility of life being outside of the state of matter? Maybe?

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
Yeah, Yeah, I think I think so, because I mean
we can create we can create anti matter today, like
in a lot, we can create the exact opposite of matter.
It just has more energetic properties and life as we
know it, because that's the thing, it's life as we
know it. It's not necessarily life in general, because we

(01:36:43):
could find life on Mars and life on the Moon
living underneath the soil, or even you know, they found
bacteria that lives on the outside of the space station,
you know, and these these are called extremophiles, their bacterial
life that can survive these extraordinary environments. So, but you know,

(01:37:04):
is it are they necessarily the same level of intelligence
I would obviously not compared to us. But is there
intelligent life out there? It's hard to say. If there is,
why haven't they contacted us? And maybe they already have
and they just don't. We're just an ant hill to them,
right with just ants?

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
Sure? Yeah, yeah, especially from like a capacity viewpoint to
where if they're in that space, they've got to be
I don't even know the number behind it, but they've
got to be extremely way more all knowing than like
we think we are.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
Correct. Yeah, there would have to be. I mean, you
see the sci fi means of excuse me, reasons why
these massive alien ships come to us to harvest our
resources on Earth and stuff. But I mean, we're finding
out that Earth is not necessarily completely unique. Like we're
finding other extra planets that are very similar to Earth.

(01:37:59):
We're finding actual appliants that have water. We're finding you know,
Mars has water like we have. We know these for
a fact now. So it doesn't necessarily mean that Earth
is so unique in that sense. But if that's the case. Then,
I mean to the point, why would aliens want to
come visit us? Then we're just not We're just like
a we're growing species and there's no point.

Speaker 4 (01:38:21):
Essentially, especially how violent we are.

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
Yeah, yeah, like we're making nukes, bombing them. We're just
bombing them all over the places.

Speaker 3 (01:38:30):
Tests you know, Operation fish Bowl. We're just shooting nukes
into our atmosphere. It's like, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:38:36):
This is how they learn they're crazy. But yeah, man, wow,
what a show man, dude. I I I really appreciate
you coming on man and just being just a whole
list of information. Man, I love it, and I'd love
to do more shows with you when there's you know,

(01:38:57):
new technologies that that we're coming to an understanding of
as in the public right in the public space, because
that's kind of how it gets fed to us in
some sort of way. But if there's any last we're
gonna get ready to wrap it up here. But there's
any last message, you know, we usually do this at
the end, We let our guests after all of the

(01:39:19):
dystopian talk pretty much, is there a positive message that
you want to send to the audience. And if there is, man,
you know, time.

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
Yeah, I think, I honestly do believe that we're living
in the most exciting, most marveled, most fantastic time because
it's coming to the point where, you know, and Einstein
said this famously, he said knowledge isn't everything, Imagination is everything.
And I truly believe today with the tools that are

(01:39:48):
coming out with like AI and different technologies, our imagination
is truly being set free. Were able to kind of
conjure up and build build things that we never were
able to build before. And anyone can build it. Anyone
can do it now. You don't have to go to
school for four years. You don't have to go to
a university and study something for eight years to be
told that, yeah, you're an expert in this area. You
know this specific science or this specific field. We live

(01:40:12):
in such an exciting time where you can go on
YouTube and learn something in five minutes. You can go
and read a book. Sure, you can go and ask
AI now to help you do something. And I think
that's very uplifting and fulfilling for people that can go
forth and build, use your imagination and go build something.

Speaker 1 (01:40:31):
Right on man, right on man, And for the folks
that are still hanging out with us. Where can they
find all your content and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:39):
Sure, I'm on Instagram as Takion taj t A c
h yo n t A J. I'm on there and
post a lot of fun videos around DARTBA some other
things as well. I'm on Spotify as Tachyon Talks, so
t A c h yo n Talks and I have
some interviews coming up that are gonna be pretty fun

(01:41:01):
as well in there.

Speaker 1 (01:41:02):
Awesome man, well brother again, thank you so much for
your time man, and just just hanging out with us tonight.
You know, we're we're pretty chill, and we we'd like
to have everyone on the show. At the end of
the day. I'm not dogmatic on the fact that, you know,
everyone on this show needs to have the same beliefs

(01:41:23):
as Jesse, or the same beliefs that I have, or
whatever biases we do have. At the end of the day,
we just put it in our back pocket and we
sit at the round table with everyone, man, And I
appreciate you coming on, you know, seriously and having fun
with us tonight. And you know, folks, his social media's
will be in the description below. I'll make sure to
link those for everyone so they can go ahead and

(01:41:44):
check those out. But brother, again, thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
Man, Yeah, no problem, guys, thank you so much. It's
been a pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:41:49):
Yeah. Man, until next time, all right, biblical hit man,
deb reeve, let's go. Taj Saren, appreciate you for coming
on the show. Brother. It was a lot of fun. Wow,
so much technology information that episode. There's so much more
to talk about and the things we got into DARPA,
you know, AI, all this other stuff. There's a balance

(01:42:13):
to it, right, with the good and the bad, and
but the the the potential of the technology that we
have is it's like what Oloff says, bro, It's like
it could be savior, but then it could be doomed.
It's funny he brought you know, I brought that up.

(01:42:33):
But before that, Taj was like, you know, the ying
and the yang, the good and the bad, right, Like
there's this this balance between it, right, you would say,
But man, dude, it seems to be a little nerve wracking.
I mean it was even something that he said, right,
It kind of kept them up for a few days.
The concept of AI and just the potential of where

(01:42:55):
it'll be in five years, all this kind of stuff.
It will kind of shake you up a little bit.
And because man, I think, not only are we under
a state of surveillance, but now I mean when AI
gets a grip on all this, which I think it
already has. I'm not saying it doesn't, but we have

(01:43:16):
something that's thinking, that's a part of it. And that's
just just reminds me of hearing that interview from like
the gentleman from the Club of Rome talking about a
perfect dictator, right, and these are these are people, these
are elites. These are people that are above the Builderberg group,
right below the thirteenth families of this pyramid scheme of elites,

(01:43:37):
right that kind of run the world with corporations, and
we're pretty much at the bottom. But the fact that AI,
we've been familiar with AI for what maybe three.

Speaker 4 (01:43:48):
Or four years now, Yeah, not really that long, not.

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
That long, but it's been here. That's a thing We've
always had automated you know, businesses where you call and
you're like, can I just get a customer service please?
You know, it's always been a part of our life.

Speaker 3 (01:44:07):
It's gotten worse after COVID they consolidated and laid off people,
and you know, even like with my plumbing business. I
cannot get a hold of these manufacturers and talk to
a normal person, whereas before, you know, seven years ago,
I was able to get a hold of a management

(01:44:28):
type person and be able to order what I needed
and get my warranty taken care of within twenty minutes.
And now it's like, hey, we'll call you back on
and three days we'll call you back, and it is
not going to be a person still.

Speaker 1 (01:44:42):
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