#64. Holy Fire| Shroud of Turin| Sudarium of Oviedo| The Resurrection of Jesus Christ w/ LA Marzulli

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Episode Summary
In this engaging conversation, Stephen and LA Marzulli delve into the mysteries surrounding the Shroud of Turin, the Sedarium of Oviedo, and the Holy Fire. LA shares his extensive research and insights into these significant artifacts, discussing their implications for biblical prophecy and the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The conversation also touches on the challenges posed by secular perspectives and the rise of artificial intelligence, emphasizing the need for accountability and understanding in a rapidly changing world.

Takeaways
-LA Marzulli has produced 34 films and 15 books on biblical topics.
-The Shroud of Turin is a piece of linen that bears the image of a crucified man.
-Forensic evidence from the shroud supports the narrative of the resurrection.
-The Sedarium of Oviedo is linked to the Shroud of Turin with over 100 points of congruency.
-The Holy Fire has been witnessed for centuries and is considered a miraculous phenomenon.
-Skeptics often dismiss the shroud because it points to a supernatural God.
-AI poses significant challenges to accountability and truth in society.
-The secular community often rejects the supernatural due to a lack of accountability for their actions.
-The resurrection of Jesus is seen as the greatest event in human history.
-Marzulli encourages listeners to research the shroud and its significance. 

Chapters
00:00 Introduction to LA Marzulli
01:54 Exploring the Shroud of Turin
13:01 The Sedarium of Oviedo and Its Significance
18:21 The Holy Fire and Its Historical Context
27:35 The Implications of AI and Technology
39:01 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Biblical Hit Minu.
It's your host, Steven and joining me yet again is
La mar Zuli. Folks. He's a filmmaker, he's a researcher
and an author, and this episode is going to be
full of information. It's going to be high energy, high octane.
I'm very excited to have this gentleman on. He's been
in the game for a very long time. He's been
an inspiration to many content creators out there, including myself

(00:36):
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But La, welcome to the show man.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Great to be here, Steven, thanks for having me back on.
Appreciate it, yes, sir.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Now the for the audience that's not familiar with you,
if you wouldn't mind, and just giving us just a
little intro and where they can find your work.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, just go to Lamarzuli dot com Lamarzuli dot com.
There are thirty four films and fifteen books, so is
a corpus of work. We have forty five minutes together.
We'll scratch the surface. I would admonish your followers to,
you know, check it out. For less than a cup
of coffee at Starbucks. You can download and stream any

(01:24):
of our films.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Awesome, awesome. I see you have a canvas in the
background that matches this one exactly. I love it. It's
a UFO folks sucking up a.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Harry Man.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Yes, yes, a sasquatch and he saw whatever you want
to call it, my buddy justin You know, Doc Brown,
everyone knows him, of my audience, my listeners. But go
check out his book and everything at the epic of
you saw. I love that guy. But la, what do
you got for us tonight?

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:53):
What's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Well, since the last time we were here, we have
a new film out. It's on the shroud of turn
his back in the news. Interestingly enough, this one is
called where is it there to go?

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Holy?

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Holy shroud, Holy fire. That's what it looks like. Basically,
delve into the veracity of the shroud and how it's
not a painting. There's no paint, no dye. No one
knows how it was done. There's lots of theories, but
no one knows. No one's ever able to has no
one has ever been able to duplicate it in any way.

(02:28):
So if it's this new guy, I think he's down
in Brazil or something making this big deal about you know,
I've duplicated the shout. It's not even close, not even
remotely close. Doesn't look anything like it, and it's not
a negative image. In other words, when you look at
the shroud, this is what you see, it's a negative image.
When you take a photograph eighteen ninety eighth Secund de Pea,

(02:50):
this is what he saw. How is that possible? How
is that possible?

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, it's a wild concept. The shouted turn man, And
I know you've been covering it lately, and I'm glad you.
You know, you came into the show opening up with that,
because that is what I wanted to talk about today.
So I'm really excited for this, right.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Well, the shroud is a piece of linen cloth. It's
about three and a half feet wide fourteen feet long.
It bears the frontal and the dorsal image of a
crucified man. The man has been heavily scourged. That's what
it looks like. Look at the scourgeon brutal right, apps barbaric, barbaric,

(03:31):
and it has it remained hidden from the world until
eighteen ninety eight, whence the Kundapia took the first picture
of it. And when he took the picture, you know,
he's like, got the glass plate like this, and he's like,
here's the glass plate and it's a negative. So and

(03:52):
I said, you know, the glass plate is big, it's
about this big, and it's of the head shot. It's
a close up of the head. So he's in his
dark room, not like we have today with the iPhone
instant gratification. He's got is you know, developing solution. He's
developing this and he expects to see a negative. Are
you ready? This is what he sees.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Wow, And that's great.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
He realizes that's the face. I'm the first person to
see what he looked like in two thousand years. So,
in my opinion, the Shroud of torrent is forensic evidence
of the greatest event in all of human history, the
resurrection of the fully god fully maned Jesus of Nazareth,
and I mean this is there, it is, I mean forensically,

(04:41):
it is astounding forensically because it shows discrepancies. It's not
a crown of thorn. Let me use this one. It's
not a crown of thorn. Not a crown of thorns.
There we go. It's a helmet. And you can see
these little white marks. That's the blood. So they took

(05:02):
the thorns and it was like a cap and they
pounded it into his head. Can you imagine just that
pain alone is excruciating, excruciating when you look at where
the nails are. The nails come through the back of
the wrist. And the reason for that is and this
is another reason. Up till that point in time, most icons,

(05:25):
most paintings, most artwork showed the nail going right through
the palm like this, right in the palm of the hands.
But that's not what the shroud shows. The shroud shows
the angle like this, coming the back of the wrist.
It comes out here, because if you go in the palm,

(05:47):
it'll just tear right through. But if you come in
an angle and come on the back of the wrist
up like this, it'll hold you.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah, that fits right in that on the radial area.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah, that must have been unbelievable. And every time you flinch,
you know, all those nerves are just so he's got
the nerves on his head, the nerves in his arms,
and I mean the whole and he's whipped within an
inch of his life. I mean, it's utterly barbaric in
every sense of the word. And the shroud depicts us

(06:21):
with great forensic detail. So how would a fifties no
one ever answers this. How does a fifteenth century or
thirteenth or fourteenth century and medieval artists know about photography? Right,
so when he puts this image on, he knows, well,
guess what, four or five hundred years from now, they're

(06:43):
gonna photograph it and they're gonna see this. How would
he even know that? I mean, the whole thing, the
whole argument against the shroud just collapses of its own weight.
It just falls off its own way. And then naysayers
are always yelling and screaming why because they don't want
it to be true. Why don't they want it to
be true because it points back to the resurrection. Why

(07:03):
don't they like the resurrection because it points back to
a supernatural God. Why do they dislike a supernatural god,
because just maybe what was written will come the past,
what was unforetold is unfolding that he is coming back,
probably in our lifetime, maybe sooner than any of us think.
And they really don't want that because they don't want

(07:25):
to admit their own sin. And then you need a redeemer.
That's what's the crux of the matter. Really, it comes
down to that. That's why they pail rage.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, the secular community, you know, they lack accountability, right
because they don't want to be accountable for their actions,
their sins, and they don't want to understand or give
benefit to the biblical narratives because we're all dirty then, right,
like we all got dirt on us, you know, where
we do need a savior. And really a big, a
big thing with the secular community as well, is they'll

(07:59):
believe in one miracle. They will, but that's the big bang,
and that's it.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
That's it. Yeah, somehow everything gets started by itself, you know,
and no one knows where or how or anything else.
I mean, I mean, the whole the whole thing. I mean,
I've sat down with some of these people and it's
it's hilarious. You know when you just start going through
the human body. So let me get this straight. What
came first to chicken or the egg? So unless the

(08:24):
female reproduction system is there, how were we going to
have any more of us anywhere? Humans? And they just add,
you know, billions of years old.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
It's billions of years old.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Oh my god, Well, how do you know that? You
don't know? Just making this stuff up. They just they
just make it up as they go along. It's just
like with almitrail of a nepheleme. Oh well, the Shawnee
of Native Americans built all the mounds. They just forgot
that they had done so. So that's one of the
most racist statements I have ever heard. Now I'm hopping over.

(08:55):
But it's all related. It's all supernatural. The Shawnee did
not build the mounds. There's advanced geometry. There's a spherical
trigonometry which links it to other sites like America Stonehenge.
We don't have time to get into all that. That's
a whole other, eight eight part series of films. But

(09:16):
the secondar world dislikes the supernatural and they scoff at
it and they cling tenaciously to their Darwinian paradigm. The
neo Darwinists are looking at the Darwinian paradigm and going,
this isn't gonna work. Why don't they say that? Because
when Darwin it came up with his theory of evolution,

(09:37):
he didn't know about DNA. He didn't know about the
complexity of a deoxy rival in the Klinic double helix
of life, spiral of life, DNA molecular instructure.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Didn't know about that.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
So Watching and Crick discover it, but it's been there
all the time they discover anything. They just oh wow,
look at this. They found it. And the DNA, the
structure is the building blocks of all life on this planet.
And Watching and Krick knew, especially Krick Krick knew that
this isn't going to fly because this just didn't happen

(10:10):
by chance, just didn't happen by chance. And so he
was a vexed man and he began to go, well,
you know, where do we come from? The age old question?
The Bible has all that information there. It's all there
if you're willing to spend the time to unpack it.
Most people are not. And then there's a threat of

(10:31):
prophecy and Unfortunately, most churches push you away from prophecy.
They won't even to look at it, and thus the
people are ignorant, and because of their ignorance, they have
no idea where we are on the prophet time clock.
And then you are millennialism, which is basically the predominant

(10:52):
position that churches hold on a global level. And that
means there is no literal millennial. Ah means no, no millennium.
So Jesus ain't coming back, there is no thousand urine
from Jerusalem. It's the most hopeless physician. I look, he's
coming back. I think it's suit of in any of.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Us think yeah, And I think there's I don't think
the elites have maybe they are thinking of this concept that,
you know, a cataclysm or because I don't really think
they want to have that perspective that Jesus Christ is
coming back, because when you look at what they're doing,
they're building underground bunkers, right, spending a lot of money

(11:33):
on this. There's a lot of alien propaganda. It seems
like there's possibly that twenty one trillion dollars that has
been misplaced throughout the financial system of America for years now.
You know what did they do with that money? Are
they building underground bunkers? Right? Because when we look at Revelation,
you know, we see that right that I think it's

(11:54):
Revelation six right, fifteen or sixteen, but it talks about
that they try to hide themselves in the mountains, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
And that's what we're looking at, is a deliberate running
from the inevitable because he is coming back because what
was written will come to pass. What was foretold is unfolding.
It's to say I came up with years ago. So
circling back of a shroud, it's forensic evidence of the
greatest event because he's in this picture. He is dead,

(12:24):
he has not risen yet, but he's in the act
of just about to rise from the dead. And what
we do, and the skeptics never talk about this, We
linked the shroud of turn to the sidarium of Oviedo.
So the sidarium is a piece of cloth four feet
long about eighteen inches to two feet wide, and it

(12:46):
wrapped the head when they took Jesus off the cross. Okay,
they wrapped the head out of respect for the dead.
That is the napkin that is folded up and placed
next to the body in the tune. The Sadarium of
Oviedo has been in Spain, in Oviedo, Spain since the

(13:09):
seventh century. So you until the modernity where we've got,
you know, the amazing scientific breakthroughs, you were not able to.
You could look at the Sadarium, it's just this bloody mess.
But now, because of computer analysis, we know that there's
well over one hundred points of congruency between the Sidarium

(13:32):
of Oviedo and the man on the shroud, over one hundred.
So no one ever deals with that because that's hard science.
In other words, that face cloth, which has been in
Spain since the seventh century, was on the man of
the shroud, There's no doubt about it. It's also the
same blood type ab So you know, I think the

(13:56):
lady protests a little too much here. No one ever
talks about that. The carbon fourteen dating, and we show
this in the film, was proven to be skewed on
every level. And yet Google and Wikipedia and when you
google it, you know it's the shroud of Tory Ruler fake.

(14:16):
They go right to the right to the carbon fourteen dating.
I may never say, excuse me, And we show this
in the film, so there's this man and a woman.
The man's named Jim Marino, Joe Marino, excuse me, sorry,
Joe Joe Marino, and he's a monk and a monastery,
and he is obsessed with the shroud and the carbon

(14:38):
fourteen dating comes back. It's a medieval forgery, and everybody goes,
I did the same thing. I'm an amateur syndinologist. I've
been studying the trout for forty five years, not like
Joe Marino. I've never written books on it, but we
produce the film on it. You know, holy shroud, Holy
holy fire. I mean, you know that's got to count

(14:58):
for something, right. So we've been a student. I've been
a student of this for decades. So Joe Marino, the monk,
is in the monastery and he's taken aback by the
fact that you know, it comes back a fifteenth century
or medieval forgery. So he's upset. So he goes online

(15:19):
and there's like a shroud, you know, like what's we're
looking for a group of people that get together online,
a little community. And he meets this woman, Sue, and
they strike up a friendship and they're texting and you know,
and probably facetiming, and who knows what else. Well, one
thing leads to another and they fall in love and

(15:40):
realize that they can't live without each other. So Joe
Marino leaves the monastery and marries Sue, and they publish
a paper which was then read at the Shroud of
torn Research Project, and Barry Schwartz, who's passed away, said
can I publish this?

Speaker 1 (15:57):
And he does.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
So what they posited, what they presented in their paper
was that the sample from the shroud came from one
part originally, and you know, you just don't go in there.
I can take some samples from the shroud so we
can see fourteen dat. You don't do that. The protocols
were set up at least a year or two ahead

(16:20):
of time. They were supposed to take three different samples
from the shroud. Didn't do that. Didn't do that. They
took one sample right down in here from the corner
of the shroud. And so Sue and Joe they're now married,
they write this paper and they they put forth the
idea that that sample that they took was a reweave job.

(16:47):
Now they don't have sample out, but ray rays does,
and Ray Rayes was on this on the Shroud of
Touring research project team. He's one of the original Stirt
members and Ray has samples from that corner called the
Raya sample, which is right next to the Sea fourteen sample.
So he looks he goes, well, I can disprove this

(17:10):
in a minute, and he goes he's the only person
on the planet who could do this because he's got
the Raya sample right next right next to the place
where they took the Sea fourteen And he realizes, oh
my gosh, there's cotton fibers that are rewoven with the linen.
It's a patch job. And then later on he's able

(17:33):
to get the fibers from the actual sample that they
did with CE fourteen. Same thing. It's a patch job,
which skews the dating because the fire happened and then
the poor sisters of Claire went in and did patchwork.
And so so we've got the Shroud and we've got

(17:55):
the Sadarium, and we know from a science that's been
done that there is over one hundred points of congruency
between the Sodarium of Oviedo, which has been in Spain Ovieda,
Spain since the seventh century. That blows the whole thing
out of it. No one ever talks about that, not
a peep, because that throws the monkey works, a monkey

(18:16):
wrench into the whole deal.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Oh it's a medieval forgery.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Blah. There's no paint, there's no ink, there's no diet,
there's nothing on the shroud. In fact, the shroud's image
is on the top, very very faint, on the very
top surface of the shroud itself, which begs the question, well,
how the heck could that happen? And they don't know.

(18:40):
It's not a burn because when you do uv light
behind it, it doesn't fluoresce. Barry Schwartz, they had the
whole shroud up like this and he backlit it. And
the blood and the patches and everything else, you know,
it's all there, but the image doesn't fluoress, doesn't fluoress.

(19:01):
What are we looking at here, Stephen? What are we
looking at right?

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Right? This is wild man? You know, I think there's
something to all of this. Again. I think with time,
just you know, more scientific studies, more evidence will start
to you know, grow out of the ground right for
the support of this thing. But it's like what you say,
right this, this life's a big chess game. There's always
going to be this always constant war over it.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Until he comes back and he lands on the Mount
of Olives and the amount of Olives puts into and
all the Jews who were there look on him whom
they had pierced, and mourn for him as an only son.
I want a front row seat for that, because it's
going to be a reconciliation, like a cosmic reconciliation where

(19:50):
finally the one who they called Yashu instead of yeshoe up,
which means makes his name be blotted out forever. They
will realize, and that's why they mourn as for an
only son. It's a national day of mourning. And we
are with him on flying white horses because we just
flew down from the third Heaven. How does that work?

(20:12):
We're on flying white horses. There's what eight billion people
on the planet. Now you can half those people are gone,
but there's still four billion people on the planet. And
the Antichrist in his army has just been wiped out.
And it's not because we're fighting like we're battling orcs.
That's not what it is, in my opinion. Out of

(20:33):
his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike
the nations. Okay, so let me see if I can
grasp this and get it to me. The image of
the He is the image of the unseeing God, the
firstborn of creation. This is Colossians, firstborn of creation. For
by him all things were created, and heaven and on earth,

(20:54):
visible and invisible, with the thrones, dominions, rules or authority.
All things we're created by him. And and oh I
just lost it. All things are created by him, and
he holds all things together that sword. In my opinion,
when he speaks, all he does is he just stops

(21:17):
holding everybody together, and everyone just bleeds out. Literally, And
that's why the blood is up to the horse's bridle.
Not because we're they're God, Praise the Lord. We're not
doing that. We're watching and they just melt. It's like
the wicked Witch of the West.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
I'm melting.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
They just they just bleed out. And we all see this.
So now you've got four billion people who are watching
this stuff, because what are you gonna tell me? The
satellite network goes down? No, this is where it says
every eye will see him. Oh that's preposterous. So you know,
how else is he gonna do that is he gonna
fly around, make multiple trips around the earth. Come on,

(21:58):
we're all, well, we're all connected like this. That's not
going down, that's not going anywhere. Every guy sees them.
The armies are there, and then this is conjecture on
my part. He dispatches us because we're on flying white horses.
He dispatches us globally, and that's how we instantly set

(22:18):
up the kingdom. You Steven to Calcutta, Marzouli, go to
go to theo to Catman, do you know what?

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Right?

Speaker 2 (22:29):
And you you know, Steven, go go over to Hawaii
and because you got four billion people who have no
idea what just happened? Who is this guy? Is that Jesus?
He's not a white horse. Who are these people with him?
Are they aliens? I mean the questions are. And we
set up the kingdom that that day was. There's no
there's no time. We are dispatched and instantly, all those

(22:53):
all those the armies have heaven on white horses, we
are dispatched. Guess what what do we do when Jesus
this tells us that we'll do works greater than his.
I love some of these people.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
But you know the Lord and your name, we declare,
we proclaim the Seven Moltains. You know, we're gonna take
back art, and we're gonna take back movies and the
school system and this, and you know we're gonna get
everything ready for your kingdom.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Now people don't sound like that. Forgive me, but that's
just nonsense. That's us doing it. Excuse me. We fail,
The church fails, everything fails. It's all him. We're not
gonna get anything ready for him other than maybe me
and you get ourselves ready for him in our heart.
But we're not gonna take You're not gonna take this
thing back. You can jump up it down, you can

(23:38):
tap dance, you can blow in the microphone to the cows,
come home and tell everybody about the Seven Mountain thing.
It's gonna happen. It ain't ever gonna happen. You can
call me negative, but this thing's been around now for
at least ten years, and it's gotten a lot worse.
In fact, worser should be a word in the dictionary,
because worser is a great word. It has gotten worser.

(23:58):
And we're at the point with Ai where you can't
fix it anymore. So and and it's arrogant to think
that we are going to present the Kingdom of Jesus.
Excuse me. It's one of the most arrogant statements. And
I know I'm bagging on these guys. And look, I'm
all for you know, go, you know, write a book,
create a film, be involved. I'm not saying jump back

(24:20):
and do nothing. But don't think for a second that
we're going to take this over. Everything has gotten worse
and worse and worse in the last twenty five years,
and there's no doubt about it. And with the agment
of AI, sayonara, baby, I mean, you don't know what's
real and what's fabricated anymore.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yeah, yeah, AI is the kill shot, right, it's the
kill shot. And especially with it starting to kind of
grow towards AGI, we don't even know really what to
expect when it gets to as I right, artificial superintelligence.
But how I see artificial intelligences. I see it as
a as a piece of creation. Man created it. But

(24:59):
it's in the state where it's it's It's like when
we have kids and new life is created, right, and
we have an offspring, that offspring, we take care of it,
we feed it, we nurture it, and it starts to
grow up and it starts to develop. That's how I
could see AI, right, And if if the ANTICHRISTI is
to be this this typology of a counterfeiting you know,

(25:24):
entity right, kind of counterfeits everything God does. We know
that Christ was born into the flesh and he grew
up right, and there was a development stage that he
had to go through, right, especially with John the Baptist
and all this other kind of stuff that plays into
it where you could get it in the gospels. But
Ai is going through the same thing. And I think
when it reaches that point of sentience, sorry, or when

(25:50):
it reaches that point of singularity. To me, that's when
the teenager grows up and they know that they don't
want their parents anymore, they don't need their they don't
need to listen to them, and they walk out of
the house. There's there's a disconnect there. And if AI
does get to that, which I know it's going to get.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Oh it's going to do there's no I mean, there's
there's no hold in this thing back. You know, I
presented a I'll get back at the troud in just
a second. I presented a clip, which is now over
two years old at a Prophecy Watchers conference, and I
will be speaking in October at the Prophecy Watchers conference,
and I may throw his clip up again just to

(26:28):
show people. And it's just this woman and she's speaking,
and she's very she's pretty, she's about thirty three, thirty
two something like that, very articulate, and and it has
nothing to do with the nepheline or Flying Saucers or UFOs.
So people are going like, why is how I showing
us this? I don't get it. So I run the

(26:49):
clip for about a minute and a half then I
just stop it and I go, guess what what you
saw was one hundred percent fabricated. This woman isn't real.
You just saw AI and you did no. And that's
two years ago, and we're at the point where you
can't tell what reality is for a fabrication. He has
to come back because you can't be accountable for this.

(27:11):
You can't How can you hold anybody accountable to anything
because you don't know what you're looking at. Anybody can
say anything. They can create an AI of you or
me and have us say the most foul things you
can put. They're already doing and with the kids in
junior high school right creating ai versions of some girl
and compromise compromising positions sexually with no clothes on, which

(27:32):
completely destroys her life because it looks exactly like her.
And they say, oh, it's an act, funny. It's the
most evil thing, you know, How can you possibly do
that to another human being? And this is where we are,
and it's only going to get worse, Steven, It's only
got worse.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
It's you know, it's how the Bible says in the
latter days, you know, the many will grow cold. Right,
So where we are, I believe the Holy fire.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
So you've got this building in the Church of the
Holy Sepulcher. I had a chance to go there in
twenty nineteen. I didn't go just to cat that well,
you know, ignorance and arrogance right here, ignorance and arrogance
deathly combination. I thought I knew, but I had no clue.
And then I did a bunch of research on I went,
stupid me. If we ever get back there, and the

(28:18):
way things are going, we probably never will. I'm not
going to bring a team or a tour into a
war zone and it's not going to do it. Sorry, Nike,
get happy. So there's a building there. It's an unbelievable church,
the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. And in the Church
of the Holy Sepulcher, there's another building inside of it.

(28:41):
It's called the Eedicule, and the Eedeicule surrounds what was
the tomb. Now the topography has all changed over the
thousands of years, so let me explain. Gregory of Nissa
stated in his writing about the fourth or fifth century,
maybe a little bit later, maybe the seventh cent Gregor
Emisi said that Peter the Apostle saw the Holy fire

(29:05):
over the tomb. He saw it. So in AD seventy,
the Romans come in and destroy the temple, completely destroy
the temple. A million Jews are slaughtered, the rest are
carted off, the rest of some of the Jews are
just scattered out through what is now the Middle East.
They've always been there for two thousand years. Then you
get the bar Kochba revolt of AD thirty. Okay, so

(29:31):
the Romans come down and quash that, and they have
had it up to here with these pesky Jews. They
every Jew is expelled from Jerusalem. No jew is allowed
in Jerusalem under the penalty of death. They erect the
Temple of Jupiter on the Temple Mountain. Now they've already
leveled it in AD seventy. But they erect the Temple

(29:53):
of Jupiter on the Temple mount and then they erect
the Temple of Venus over the site of the Crucifixion
and the resurrection. Because the crucifixion is here and then
the tomb is here. It's not like it's not the
Garden Tomb. In my opinion, the Garden Tomb is an

(30:14):
evangelical construct from a nineteenth century. What people don't understand.
We talk about this in the film. There's a whole
series of those tombs all on that cliff side. It's
very nice, and it's right next to it. There's like
a place of the skull and all this stuff. But no,
we're not buying that. And the amount of olives I
don't believe that either. But the church is always separate.

(30:36):
Why did they build the Temple of Venus on the
site because all the locals knew where the tomb in
Gogotha was. They had already been doing pilgrimages, so you know,
the Romans command well, we're not doing that anymore. Bam,
they desecrate the site. So three hundred years ago by
it's now the fourth century, three hundred years Constantine becomes emperor.

(30:57):
His mother Helen comes down to Jerusalem pilgrimage. Okay, where
is everything? There's the temple mount that's still intact. Well,
where was Golgatha and the crucifixion? All the locals know,
All the locals know right there.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Now. How do I know that?

Speaker 2 (31:12):
I live in the Santa Monica mountains? Okay? And if
you came up here and you said, la, where's the
cave that they discovered in the early part of the
twentieth century with all the Indian artifacts? Is it enough
by of a lake?

Speaker 3 (31:26):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, it's up by a lake over there. It's all
still in Now. How do I know that local knowledge?
I've been up here forty years. It's local knowledge. All
the locals who are living in Jerusalem. See that Temple
of Venus, that's where it is. So Helen goes in.
They deconstruct everything. Sure enough, they find gol Gofa, they

(31:47):
find the rock that's been split in half from the earthquake,
They find the tomb, they find the slab, and at
this moment is when the Holy fire begins to happen
on that slabu stone, which is the tomb. There's this
on Resurrection Saturday, the day before we celebrate him going
up right, there's this blue flame which undulates over the

(32:10):
slab and then a column comes up like this and
it just sits there and people see it, and then
people would light candles from it. And now you know,
seventeen hundred years later it's celebrated and the priests or
the Orthodox patriarch goes in Greek Orthodox and you know,

(32:31):
the tomb is sealed and all this stuff. Catholics maintain, oh,
the guy's got a lighter. This is all magic. But
you can take the holy fire, and we show us
in the film, and you can go like this right
under your beard. It's a cold flame. It's cold plasma
like this. One woman is going like this under her arm.
Nothing's happening, really, yeah, And we show this in the film.

(32:52):
We show it, and that you need to watch the film. Student.
So the fire has manifested and it got to the
point where sometimes you know, you go back. And by
the way, it was a great book by Harris Scarlet Scarlacis,
and he he documents from all these ancient libraries and
ancient scrolls and scripts, all these people that saw the

(33:15):
Holy fire. From Muslim like Saladeen, who is like a
great warrior of Islam, he saw the Holy fire, you know,
I mean people have seen it. And there's all these accounts.
It used to come in and light up all the lamps,
just light up the lamps. And now it just appears
in the eticule. One comes out. So what are we
looking at?

Speaker 1 (33:35):
So people go, oh, well, you know, well, let.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Me ask you this. So when Abraham cuts the covenant
with God, and they take the carcasses and they sput
them in two and they make a pathway, Abraham's put
to sleep. But what does he see? What goes through
the covenant? A flaming torch? When Moses sees the bush

(33:59):
that burns but doesn't burn, what is he saying? When
the pillar of fire leads the Israelites for forty years?
What's that? When the apostles, when the apostles receive the
Holy Spirit, and above their heads appears what tongues of flame?

(34:20):
I might make him this stuff up. You can scoff
at at all you want. I really don't care. I've
done the work. Here's the film. My business partner and I,
Gil Zimmermann. We spent a year on this baby, a
year on this film. I believe the Shroud of Turn
is I call it God's calling card. It's forensic evidence
of the greatest event in history, the resurrection of the

(34:42):
God Man. I believe the Holy Fire is the mechanism
which created the image on the shroud. I believe the
body was levitated that space and time as we know
it stopped, completely stopped, and the body just disintegrated in
billions of points, trillions of points of light and created

(35:06):
that image on the shroud. Because what you see here,
he's dead. He's not he's not alive, He's not. This
is the moment of the resurrection, right before the moment.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
This is it.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Take a picture because the next and the next moment,
the body completely dematerializes. And what you're looking at is
what's about to happen. He's about the de materialize and resurrect.
And what people don't understand is, you know, the Gospels
tell us, the Epistles tell us he's the firstborn of
the dead. That's exactly what he is. He's He's pre

(35:41):
eminent in all things. He's pre eminent in all things.
For him, the fullness of God was pleased to draw
and through him, to reconcile all of us, you know,
by the blood of his cross. I mean, there it is.
He's the He's the prototype of the rapture of a church, right,
He's of the rapture of a church. And I just

(36:01):
think I call it Gud's calling card. And I want
to just point something out. When I was doing this film,
look at the scourge marks. Look at the brutality of
the scourge marks.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Mm hm, Yeah, it's all very interesting. If you had to,
if you had a few sentences to try and convince
someone that you know that this is pretty valid. I mean,
what would you what would you say?

Speaker 2 (36:30):
I would say, go spend an hour on troud dot com.
And if you're watching this, and you know you're you're
calling me all sorts of names, and you're throwing things
at your computer or your iPhone, and you know, spend
an hour on on troud dot com before you write
me a nasty email. Because I've done the work, you know,
Gil Zeman and I and Joe Marino and Rusbrell and
all the people that we have in the film and interview.

(36:52):
We're not making this stuff up, you know, show us
how it was done, and no one can. Nobody can
because even if it's twenty first cent, they can't duplicate
it at all. And this this guy down in Brazil
who's claiming now he's the latest in a long series
of people calling this crowd, you know, a fake or
a forgery. Doesn't his work doesn't look anything like the shroud,

(37:14):
nothing at all, not even remotely close. And he makes
you know, his image doesn't look like this. And then
when you take a picture, you get this, how was
that done? How was that?

Speaker 3 (37:26):
You know?

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Who knew about photography? Nobody knew, nobody knew. And by
the way, the shroud is very faint. You can see it,
and it's disappearing. Every year it goes a little fainter,
which makes me think that, you know, there's a reason
for that.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah, this is like the chest move, you know, on
God's side, right, you know, where where when technology is
advancing and more scientific advancements are being revealed in the
world that can help prove certain things. We're seeing that
kind of take place with this, you know.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah, yeah, we are and by the way, the carbon
fourteen dating puts it back, you know, to two thousand
years the looking at the herringbone weave and the textile
and there's no other artifact like it. I mean, if
this was so easy to do, why can't they duplicate it?

(38:22):
They can't not even close. And the pollen, the pollen
alone shows the hole. It goes all through. But if
you work back, it's through Europe, then Turkey, then down
to the Middle East, and certain pollen only grows in
and around Jerusalem. That's it. So a forger is gonna
make gonna take a shroud and track it all, you know, down,

(38:45):
take it down to Jerusalem and sprinkle some pollen on it,
because he knows in the twentieth century there's gonna be
botanists and chemists who can look at the pollen and go, ah,
it was in Jerusalem. See, I mean, it's just you
gotta spend an hour on troud dot com, Spend an
hour there before you write me, do your homework, watch

(39:05):
the film, and and you know, somehow come to a
conclusion how the sodarium of Oviedo fits over the show?
How does that work? And of course people can't but
we're running out of time. Lamarzuli dot com, Lamarzouli dot com,
do your homework, do your homework, and avail yourself of

(39:28):
the film, which, in our opinion, shows a relationship between
the Shrouduturum, the Sodarium of Oviedo, and the Holy Fire
which has appeared of the last thirteen hundred years in Jerusalem.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Wow, awesome, Thank you so much, La. Man. You know,
every time we have you on it's it's a great time.
You're a wealth of information and you've been researching so
long in your life and it seems like you're it's
never going to stop for you. So keep going, man,
keep pushing and keep doing the work for the Lord. Man.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
You know.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
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