#65. Eternal Security| Saved By Grace| False Gospels| Faith Without Works Is Dead| End Times Deceptions w/ Matt| Shepherdfortheking

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
What's up everyone, Welcome back to the Biblical hit Man.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
It's me Steve and we got Jesse in the house, folks,
joining us yet again. Is Matt Good to have him
back on the show, folks. He's a Christian content creator
and influencer. He's in the social media community and he
makes great content, folks. And so, but before we get
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(00:38):
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(01:08):
thank you brother for coming back on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Man. Good to have you now. That's always good to
be with you guys. Always a good conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah, man, So it's been a little bit. Man, how
you've been You've been.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Good, doing good. Man, God's good. He is just pouring
out wisdom and love right now. It is. It's cool
to see a lot of things happening spiritually. I'm witnessing
like a big shift, a big sifting I think within
the Christian circles. But he's doing a lot right now.
In my opinion, he's pretty much allowing whatever you want

(01:38):
to pour into him, He's going to pour it right
back into you. So I want to encourage everybody to
seek him. He's good. Yeah, yeah, right on, man.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
So for the audience that may not be familiar with
your work or where they can find your content, if
you mind just giving us just a quick intro about
yourself and where they can find all those avenues.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
So on Instagram you can find Shepherd for the King
is the name of that channel. But also me and
have a ministry page Live by Faith Ministries. We have
a website we live by Faith today dot org or
it's a live by Faith today dot org. The email
gmails that we live by Faith today dot yeah, gmail

(02:14):
dot com. And then also on TikTok that one is
Shepherd for Messiah because six of my accounts have been
banned on there, so kind of running out of names
to go over there. And then on YouTube it's live
by Faith Ministries as well. Yeah, that's pretty much all
that for the socials. Awesome man, awesome.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah. You know, one of these times, we're going to
have to get you know, you and your wife on
together and talk about, you know, all the different things.
It's I like bringing on, you know, multiple people. So
maybe we could work something out in the future. I
think it would be a lot of fun. That'd be
a good time. Actually, that's funny you say that.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
We're doing that with Lauren from a certainty from certain
times and her husband on Friday, so we're kind of
doing that right on.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
You know, we was supposed to get Lauren on the show,
I think a couple of months ago. You know, time
flies by. We've been booked up like crazy, three four
shows a week, and something had happened. I can't remember exactly,
but that's just kind of like how the thing business goes, right.
You know, life is moving pretty fast, especially when you've
got ten different things going on throughout the week or whatever.

(03:15):
But man, so what have you been covering for the
most part with your content.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Well, also for a while, I was really covering a
lot of the conspiracy stuff. The times that we're in,
especially with AI and the advent of artificial intelligence really
rising and the singularity coming, we're in my opinion with
the videos I make, how AI is going to for
sure tie in with the anti christ. I call it
anti christ intelligence. I mean, by the definition, anti Christ

(03:45):
means in place of Christ, and people are looking to
artificial intelligence as if it's God. So you can already
see that growing, people making it a religion, people worshiping it.
So a lot of that type of content. But then
lately the Lord has kind of redirected my path back
to what I actually started to do when I first
started social media. So I never thought I'd be making

(04:08):
videos on social media like this was not this isn't
my character, Like, it's not my If you would have
known me before these videos, you're like, well, Matt's Megan
TikTok videos, What the heck is going on here? But
it started three and a half four years ago, three
and a half making videos on eternal security doctrine, the gospel.
What the gospel is that you know he trust in

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the Lord, His blood covers you, and now you become
intimate with him. You are now in the body of Christ,
and now he wants to have a relationship with you.
And that having that security in God in Jesus, that
now you can have this beautiful relationship that you know
he'll never leave you, to forsake you, and ething shall
separate you from the love of Christ Roman's eight, that
you are sealed with the Holy Spirit. And I'm just

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trying to encourage believers because a lot of my walk
as a Christian wasn't really secure doctrinally. It was kind
of going back and forth on stuff to have a
good grounding sucked, you know, am I going to heaven
or not? You know, here and there, And it was
miserable until I actually got taught by Chuck Missler, reading
his stuff and going through his Romans Commentary, where I

(05:10):
really actually got grounded in firm doctrine of what eternal
security is. And then from there just off to the
races and my own studies. So right now he's really
directing my path where I still do end times updates
and kind of talking about what's going on. But right
now I'm working through a series going through the tough
passages on the verses that people use out of context

(05:31):
to try to say you can lose salvation, trying to
show that, hey, these don't say that you can lose salvation.
I mean, if you could lose salvation, I'm pretty sure
that'd be a doctrine that they would make very clear.
They wouldn't be kind of like vague versus it would
be like, hey, Like a prime example I like to
use is in Timothy, Paul's talking to Timothy and he goes, hey,

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Demus left me for the cares of the world, and
he just moves on from there. But if you could
lose salvation, I'm pretty sure that'd been a great teaching
lesson for to go, Hey, Demus has now forfeited his salvation.
He's going to hell, he left, he's cast into the
lake of fire whatever. He doesn't do that. So all
these verses that people take out of context, I'm trying
to go over them for people to see, hey, here's

(06:12):
the context of what is saying again my opinion on stuff,
but trying to show that, hey, we go through the
firm versus the concrete verses like John five twenty four
that whoever believes in Me has present tents, everlasting life.
You passed from death onto life. You have Ephesians two
eight to nine that you are saved by grace by faith,
not of yourself unless you both. You can't boast about
it again firm verse right there, Ephesians four to thirty

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steal from the day of redemption. Firm you know Romans
chapter eight, verse thirty six to thirty eight. Nothing shall
separate you from the love of Christ. Hebrews thirteen, verse five.
He'll never leave you, no forsake you. Just showing like
these really firm verses. You know that we have been
purchased by the blood of Christ, that He has given
us a guarantee with the Holy Spirit. Like these are
the verses that are clear that you cannot misinterpret because

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it's very clear and cut. So you allow those verses
to then help guide you when you go into a
tougher scriptures that you know, some people can misinterpret or
kind of take things out that is not actually being said.
So that's where I've been doing right now, trying to
just make sure people know their security in Christ, so
then they can actually have a relationship man. Like, there's
too much a false religion right now, where people are

(07:18):
trying to work up their own righteousness. They're trying to
work up their own goodness to prove themselves as worthy.
And the only way that you're worthy is through the
blood of Christ. There ain't nothing that you add to them.
In Galatians is a prime example that is by faith
that we are justified. And one of my favorite verses
right now is Galatians two twenty that you know I've
been crucified with Christ. It's no longer I who live,

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but Christ who lives in me, and I will be
living by faith in the flesh for the Son of
God that died from me and loves me. You know.
Like that is what I'm trying to really ingrain into
the body of Christ right now, because if you don't
have that security of who you are, the identity, then
it's just another false religion in my opinion. I mean
every other religion they can work themselves to of being

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good or looking good on the outward appearance, or striving
for nirvana, or they're doing their own things. I mean Mormonism, Catholicism,
Eastern Orthodox, it's always these works, right, that you got
to do these sacraments, and that's not what he wants
a relationship with you. So that's long winded. That's what
I'm doing right now, man, That's what He's been placed
in my heart.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
So that being said, sorry to interrupt you.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
TV.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
What is like the most what's the verse right now
that you're getting most pushedback on that specific topic.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Oh jeez. A lot of people like to pull Hebrews
out of context, so they hit you with Hebrew six
or Hebrews ten. So those are actually the first two
videos of my part my series showing the context of
what Hebrews are talking about and trying to really explain
to people. Man, a lot of people have a very
narrow mind and a very small view of God and Heaven,

(08:50):
the Kingdom, eternity, and that God has other ways of
disciplining his children. So people just think of things in
like a very black and white manner of heaven or hell,
like that's it God. God's only way punishing people is hell.
So I try to show in the book Hebrews the
punishment that's being spoken about. There is great physical judgment

(09:11):
that comes upon an individual who does walk away from
the faith. And also there is a loss of rewards
eternal ramifications at the judgments duit of Christ that we
as believers are all going to have to stand in
front of Jesus. It's a different judgment than for the unbeliever.
The unbeliever goes to the Great White Throne judgment that's
in Revelation twenty. But we, as believers, we stand in
front of Christ a second Corinthians five ten and Romans fourteen,

(09:33):
verse ten and one Corinthians three twelve through fifteen. And
this judgment is really overlooked by the Christian community. I
don't know why, because it's a really big thing. I
don't think we understand the significance of what this is
going to look like. Our entire Christian life is going
to be evaluated for the good and the bad. That's
what secon Corinthians five ten says. And from that point

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is where we see our role, see our duty in
the kingdom. You have the parable of the minas of
good job, good faithful servant. You had to rule over
ten cities. The other one gets to rule over five cities.
The other one unfaithful, you rule over zero cities. There's
judgment and there's consequences. And you actually see this principle
found in the Old Testament with Ezekiel chapter forty four,
when Ezekiel is talking about the New Temple, and then

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we have this comparison between the faithful Levites and the
unfaithful Levites that during the time of Solomon's temple there
were unfaithful Levites who were serving idols and allowing foreigners
in uncircumcised individuals into the temple, and God actually de
ranks them. He still actually allows them to be ministers,
but they are now guards, and they actually don't have

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inner access into the Holy of Holies, but they're still
part of the kingdom, but they have a de ranking.
So there's a principle there that God disciplines individuals, that
we still reap what we sew. But that being said,
God upholds his promises. So when he tells you that
I give you eternal life, you trust him. It's a
free gift. You receive that you're sealed, you're justified in
a court of law of Romans five one, that you

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have peace with God. So from that point there's still
consequences for your actions. You know, you can't escape the
law of reaping and sowing. But you cannot undo that
ceiling of the Holy Spirit. I try to explain to
some people because they like to try to say that, well,
you can forfeit salvation, you can give it up. You know,
you still have free will. And it's a misunderstanding of
what free will is, because free will is the option

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between things that you can actually do. Like I don't
have the free will that just start flying right now,
or to hold my breath for ten minutes underwater. I
don't have that free will. It goes against the laws
of physics. Likewise, Eve when she Adam and Eve, when
they took of the knowledge of good and evil, once
they brought the curse in, they didn't have the free
will to undo that curse. Like that decision was done.
It's over. They can't go back. Likewise, we see in

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Romans chapter five that as one man's sin entered and
then cur you know, the curse came to everybody. Likewise,
either way, the second atom Jesus through one man's righteousness,
then justification comes to all who receive him. So when
you receive that righteousness through through faith and you're justified,
it's just like the curse once it's done. Once you
receive Him, that curse is taken away from you. Positionally,

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you are now cleansed by the blood of Christ. We
see that in Hebrews ten or yeah, Hebrews ten ten
and ten fourteen, that we are now sanctified by one offering,
perfected for all forever. I mean, it's one offering. The
blood of Christ is sufficient. I'm passionate about it because
if you still think you can still go to Hell
after receiving the blood of Christ, then at the root
of that doctrine, you're saying that the blood of Christ

(12:29):
is not sufficient. You're saying that sin somehow is more
powerful than the blood of Christ. And I think that's
complete blasphemy. I think it's heretical, and I stand on
it because I think the Gospel is this very simple
truth that His blood is sufficient when you trust in Him.
It's like the passover blood of the Lamb that the
death angel flies over it. The second death will not

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hurt you because you now have His blood covering you.
And from that knowledge, Man, is where you get the
freedom to walk in love. You see that in Galatians
chapter five about you know, we have liberty now to
walk with him not to gratify the flesh. He talks
about that, hey, don't use this liberty to gratify the flesh,
but use it to serve in love, to walk with

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the Lord, you know. And what's funny too, I'm sure
you guys probably heard that if you believe in eternal
security once they've to always saved, they'll tell you that, oh,
that's a license to sin. But what's funny, though, is
that word liberty in a relation chapter five in the
Greek it actually means a license. So Paul literally says, yeah,
you have a license, but it's not a license to
go sin. Now, you have a license to actually follow

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the Lord, that you actually have a relationship with him,
that you're not bound by the law that restricts you.
You have a intimacy with him. So so yeah, but
back to your point. The verses that people hit me
with a Hebrews Roman's eleven, which is about Israel and
the corporate church people. James Faith that Works is Dead

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posted a video on that one. Those are usually the classics,
the classics. He who endures to the end shall be saved.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
That about to say that, yeah, I have it pulled
up here twenty four thirteen, because not only do I
see a constant collision happening with the church, and it's happening,
seems like it's growing faster, like when you administer oxygen
to a fire or a wind to a fire. It
seems like it is growing. And I'm not saying that

(14:19):
people's intent are I'm not saying that, you know, there's
exact evil behind all of this, but I think that
people are misunderstanding certain pieces of scripture, like for this
one here right Matthew twenty four to thirteen, this is
talking about tribulation. Like the context just before this is
where you know, people are turning on each other. What's

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happening to the world in this moment is exactly what
happened to Christ right before he was persecuted and hung
on across. They were turning him into the councils. They
were bringing him in, you know, to try and charge him.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Right.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
And so what I'm saying is is I think a
a lot of these Christian content creators, especially the big ones,
and it seems like the big ones are all jumping
on this idea of a works based salvation when it
discredits what Jesus has done for us. In some sort
of way. And at the end of the day, when

(15:17):
I look at it, you know, Satan can agree with
a lot of things with the Bible. He knows the Bible,
but the one thing he objects to the most is
Jesus Christ and what he came here. And did you
know what I'm saying? Completely man, it is and it's sneaky.
It's the Galatian air. And that's what Paul talks about.

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These Galatians. They were bewitched by individuals coming in and
trying to now add works to salvation, to the gospel.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
And Paul makes it very clear. Paul says like that
anyone who preaches a false gospel, let them be a curse.
And he even says, if I come to you preaching
anything else than the Cross, then let me be a curse.
Like he is very serious about it. In Romans, Okay,
that is yeah, entirely so, like the entire book of Galatians,
it's all about faith alone. Like Paul makes it so

(16:06):
painfully clear, that's always about faith. That you cannot add
one iota and so therefore because you can't add one,
you can't add anything to it. His blood is sufficient.
Nothing you do is going to change that. But again,
like my point here, because in my series, I try
to make it clear to individuals the judgments due to
Christ is a big doctrine that a lot of people

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don't know. There's a different there's going to be approved
and disapproved workers. It's docamos and id docamos in the Greek.
It's this idea of being like passing the test or
being disqualified from these rewards. And it's going to be serious.
Like there's gonna be a lot of individuals up there
that have no idea what's going on, and they're going

(16:48):
to get up there and go Who I didn't I
thought everything was forgiven, Like, yeah, everything is forgiven. You're
not going to hell, but you're still accountable to your
actions because I want to place you into the kingdom
where you are faithful. I mean this kingdom that we're
going in to guys, Like, it's not just us sitting
in you know, in the clouds, you know, just hanging
out like having you know, pizza, Like we're going to
be doing things like down here, just no sin. I mean,

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there's going to be jobs, there's going to be roles.
You're gonna be governmental interesting. Yeah, yeah, we're actually called
the Holy Priesthood. We're you know, pricing, you know, we're
kingdom of priest and that means ministers. There's going to
be mortals that go into the millennial Kingdom that repopulate.
There's going to be a lot going on, and our
faithfulness down here is going to reflect of what we
are going to be doing up there. I mean, Jesus
even says in Matthew six twenty one, you know to

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store up treasures in heaven, not down here. Right, Well,
what does that look like? Well, it's going to be
depending on your rule, your your faith down here and
where you're ranked up there. First Corinthians chapter three is
a great chapter that shows you that you know, we're
we're building down here, that things are going to last.
But there's going to be some people that have all
their works burnt up, but they too shall come through
the fire and be saved. So there's gonna be a

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lot of refugees up there at the judgment seat. Nothing
that they did down here absolutely mattered because they did
nothing with their faith, and they are going to sit
there and there's going to be some sorrow. You know,
a lot of people have this kind of a cotton
candy butterfly feeling of like what the judgment seat's going
to be, like, oh, we're all good. Like sorrow is
a godly emotion. I mean, Christ is the man of sorrows.

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You know, he cried blood, so that's a godly emotion.
And there's gonna be a lot of tears at the judgment.
See there's gonna be a lot of laughter as well.
There's gonna be a lot of just emotion altogether. But
the idea of that every tear is wiped away, that's
after that, like you know, that's it, that's once we're
past that judgment. So I'm trying to just kind of
bring the full counsel of God to people where there's

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sound doctrine on both sides where because there's like a spectrum.
So there's a people that do you understand eternal security,
but they don't teach on the holiness of God and
the repercussions of our actions. So then it does kind
of give leeway to like, oh, well nothing matters down here, right,
So that kind of leads into Antiinomianism or anti law,
where you just do whatever you want and it doesn't

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matter because we're all good, we're all gonna be equal.
It's gonna be communism up there. But then you have
the other spectrum where people see the warnings in the scripture,
so then they go towards work based of no, well,
this is about salvation like no, no, this is about sanctifications,
about the growth as a Christian and that there is
great rewards to be had. So just trying to help
people understand this because once you have this proper view, dude,

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it's so freeing first of all, and also you then
start to grow spiritually with the love and the fruit
of the spirit because you know that you're secure in Christ.
But then He starts to produce in you, like the
abiding effect of knowing who you are in Christ. He
just works through you, man, and it's like something that
you have to experience. But you first have to know
your identity in Christ and your security. So that's what

(19:39):
I'm passionate about. I'm still trying to do some updates
with the news and you know, end time stuff, but
right now I have just definitely been called to go
back to the Gospel and make sure people know who
they are in Christ.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
That's beautiful, bro.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah, I had so I wanted to pull.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
I pulled this up to Matthew seven, verse twenty two
and twenty three. I wanted to get your thoughts on this.
And as many will say to me in that day,
the Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And
in thy name have casted out devils? And in my
name done many wonderful works? And then I profess unto them,
I never knew you. Depart from me, you that work iniquity.

(20:13):
This is Jesus saying these words. So it's like, do
you think this could be targeted towards people who claim
to be believers, right, because that's kind of like the
context I see with this passage that are so focused
on a works based salvation that they lack the true
relationship with him.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
And that's the context is absolutely that, because when you
look the entire section right before that he's talking about
that you will know them by their fruit. And a
lot of people misinterpret this idea of what fruit is.
They think fruit is like outward actions, like someone who's
you know, doing good or a church and they're serving,
or their feet and the homeless. But the actual context
of that is a wolf in sheep clothing. So what

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does a wolf in sheep clothing mean well on the out,
so they look like a sheep. It's inwardly that they're
the wolf. So then what's the fruit. It's what's coming
out of their mouth. It's the doctrine. And you actually
see that in the comparison in Luke when it's the
same idea and talks about that's where you see the
idea out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.
And if you go to the principle of or the

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first Prince, what's the word, it's a principle where you
look at a word when the first time it's used
in scripture, and you see in Genesis the first time
that fruit is talked about. It's the idea of the
fruit and knowledge of good and evil, which is doctrine.
So Eve took a bad doctrine, so that carries over.
So we also see in Proverbs and Hebrews that the

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fruit of the lips, what comes out of your mouth
is your fruit. Now obviously there is the fruit of
the spirit and Galatians, but that's Paul talking about it.
Later on in context with Jesus speaking to Matthew talking
to the Jews, they would understand what fruit means just
what's coming out of your mouth. So when Jesus says
you will know them by their fruit, it's you will
know them by their doctrine. What are they teaching, what
are they saying. So then right after that you get

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into the Matthew seven, these individuals who come to him going,
oh Lord, look what we've done for you. You know,
we've done all these great things. And then that's when
Jesus tells them, you know, depart from me. I never
knew you. You are workers of iniquity. So now people
will try to use that of like, see, look they're sinners,
they work iniquity. But little do people know that's all

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of us. The reason why that they are now classified
as workers of iniquities because they have not done the
will of the Father. You see them verse twenty one.
These individuals have not done the will of the Father.
And now the will the Father you can find that
in John six thirty eight to forty. The will the
Father is to trust and believe in his son Jesus,
so that you have his righteousness. Because now that you
have his imputed righteousness, that's Romans chapter four, that you

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know we are accounted righteous through faith in him. That's
also Sewod Corinthians five twenty one, that he who knew
knows sin became sin on the cross, that we can
become the righteousness of God in him. Are righteousness of
Christ in him? If you don't have that righteousness imputed
by Christ by his blood, you're a worker of iniquity.
You're a worker of lawless It's like that's just what
you do. So these individuals don't have the righteousness of Christ.

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They never actually trusted in the Gospel. They never trusted
in Jesus, they never did the will of Father. Therefore
they are workers of iniquity. They never knew Jesus. Depart
from me, And you can see their heart because they're
going to Jesus instead of telling him, which that praise
you for what you've done for us, your sacrifice. You're
the door, you're the gate, you are everything. You are
the way or nothing without you. But instead they're well,

(23:25):
look at all these Look at all the stuff we've done.
I mean, we've we've done all these great things in
your name. Well, depart from me. I never knew you.
That's not I'm looking for people who have trusted in
Me and you don't trust in me, you actually trust
in yourself. And that's why it's such a dangerous doctrine
that people think that, well, I can lose salvation because
at the root of that, you are saying that you

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have something. You're trusting in yourself. Like I mean, just
like just if you try to like get get away
from all the like rabbit hole in and people trying
to pull you away with different uh, conversation, different debates
at the root, if you could lose it, then that
means you have something to do with it because you're
trusting in yourself, Like, yeah, I trust in Jesus, but
I need to now do something. I need to keep
my end of the bargain. Then that's not salvation. That's probation.

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That's not what's being told in the scriptures. You're showing
that your faith is actually in yourself doing something, whether
it's enduring to the end, whether it's having good works,
your faith is not in Jesus. Like you want to
get to the point where your faith is so in
Jesus that you know that, hey know it, Tomorrow I
could walk away and He's still gonna be with me.
But then because it's like a paradox because you know
that you're never going to walk away from him because like,

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where else is there to go. That's John chapter six,
where you know he tells all the individuals like you
must eat in my flesh and drink my blood, and
then everyone walks away. He looks to Peter, he goes,
what about you? And Peter tells him there's nowhere else
to go. You're the son of the living God. So
when you understand this truth that you are in his hands,
that you are secure, there's nowhere else to go, You're
not going to leave. Why would you leave? There's literally

(24:51):
nowhere else to go. So it's just the understanding and
the heart posture. But uh yeah, the Matthew seven twenty one,
it is completely the false work based to a doctrine
he's into. And what scary is these people use that
verse as like a dart to try to like scare people,
and that's actually going to be a boomerang that's going
to come back at him. And it's it's pretty uh
pretty humbly. Man.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, it's it's important man, because I remember, I think
even you mentioned this earlier, where I mean when I
first got saved, I I I was got exposed a
lot of sin in my life. It was almost like
literally like I had a pair of glasses on. I
could see the world in such a different such a
different way man, such a different point of view. You know,

(25:31):
the Holy Spirit is in me right, it's it's living
now and and it's and it's it's convicted me of
of of sin that I was never aware to and
the fact that it's it's it he was trying to.
He was teaching me and he's still teaching me like obedience,
because what he was revealing to me was how else

(25:53):
am I going to show people what I believe if
I don't you know, show them in some physical way.
Because I was at the point too where I had
just started kind of Bible thumping everybody, but you know
it and it wasn't one of them, you know, but
but it wasn't It wasn't like strong enough to really

(26:15):
share a message, I guess, or for the message to
to to penetrate that that membrane, you know what I'm saying.
So so I had a guy talk to me and
he was my pitching coach for you know, on the
high school baseball team, and h you know, I went
from being this you know, pretty rough, you know, high
school kid, got in the fight's you know, pretty pretty bad,

(26:36):
pretty bad, just a normal high school guy jock. Right,
But then you know I came to be like this
is a Jesus guy. He's a Jesus freak all this,
you know, and I feel God, God was working on me.
You know, he was living through me and and and
and wanting to to uh, you know, be in obedience. Right.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
It's just a thing that we're called to do.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
And I think that throughout our life, throughout this race
that we run, God's working on us in that way, right,
I mean, it's just how it works, and you know,
we will fight to the end.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Right. And the fact that that.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
The concept of faith without works is dead, I understand it,
but not in the way that it seems like that
part of the Christian influencing community or the churches are
talking about it's it's it's that, hey, you want to
you want people to like go, huh, what does that
guy have that I don't have? Then then you know

(27:35):
the way they can see it because they don't have
the spiritual discernment. They they're still looking through like that
fleshly lensed so so they'll they'll see, they'll know, they'll
something will be knocking at the door for them where
they're like, hey, what's this guy have that I don't have?
You know, he's kind of got it together, I don't know,
you know.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Or whatever.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
But yeah, that's just kind of like my perspective of
faith without work is dead.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Where I think is that it's James James. Yeah, so James.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Where James is talking about you know, it's it's important
to to to live this out now.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Right right, Okay, So just to completely clear this up,
what is the opposition? What do they think the opposition
of Shepherd?

Speaker 1 (28:21):
What?

Speaker 3 (28:21):
What do they think? Faith is dead without works?

Speaker 2 (28:25):
They?

Speaker 3 (28:26):
What are they thinking?

Speaker 1 (28:28):
There's different camps. So you have some people that it
is a wide spectrum, and that's what's kind of tough
with what's going on right now. You have some people
who believe, like, all right, you know, you know you're
saved and secure, but you know you can forfeit the gift.
They kind of look at salvation as if it's like
a token or like a Christmas gift that God gives
to you and then you can just return whenever you want.

(28:49):
But I use the analogy that it's like a blood transplant.
Once you have the blood of Christ, there's no getting
that out. It's already mixed into you, you know. So
it's you know, it's something that you don't think they
could good. You don't think they could just be converted
to Satanism and become a non believer. You think they're
just solidified. It's like not going back. So I would
say this is where things again, this is where I

(29:10):
try to be careful where this is where I think
a huge issue is within the Christian community where they
like the judge of someone saved or not. And it's
easy to do that. It's easy to do that.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
The issue, what I would say, is a good portion
of individuals who would say that they were Christian and
then say they go away into Satanism or something. I
would speculate that the majority of them believed it, well,
they believed in a false gospel, that they believed in
some type of work based a false religion that you know,

(29:40):
they never actually understood the gospel, but you actually know,
oh wait, I trust in Jesus for his sacrifice and
now I'm saved, like right now. They believed in some
type of work based gospel. Now there are people it's
very clear through the scriptures that it is a serious
threat to fall away from the faith. And for those
individuals who say they actually were saved, they're sealed Ephesians

(30:00):
four thirty. They have the Holy Spirit sealing them. That's
God's upholding his promise. He's sealing in them. But if
they do walk away, there's great ramifications for that. Say
somebody does go into some other religion and they fall
away for that time. First off, we need to understand
that we are finite and we're not understanding the future
of that individual. There's always prodigal sons who come back
on their deathbed and we don't know, you know. And

(30:21):
that's why I try to explain to people's God's outside
of time and space and matter. When somebody is justified
in this like time continuum, when they trust in the Lord,
he sees them right then and he seals them. Like
I think people have this misunderstanding like God wants to
send people to hell, Like, no, he wants to save mankind.
I mean, he died for us when we were his enemy.

(30:43):
How much greater is out love once he actually trust
in him? Right? I mean that's Roman chapter five, like
literally dying for us when we hated him and enemies
of them. So I think a lot of people have
a narrow view of like they see someone fall away
and they just automatically, oh, well they're going to hell.
They lost their salvation. Yeah yeah, well you know, first
you have no idea what's going on. But now for
the individual who is actually sealed, falls away or whatever

(31:06):
stops believing, they have great repercussions coming on the way,
but it will not be hell fire. And two Timothy
chapter two, verse thirteen is a great verse because it
says even when we are faithless, and in the Greek
that word it means to unbelieve. Even if you disbelieve,
he remains faithful. He cannot deny himself. And the reason
why he cannot deny himself is because his spirit now

(31:27):
lives inside the believer. On Corinthians sixth, verse nineteenth or twenty.
It shows that that we're all the temple of God.
The Holy Spirit lives inside of you. You're not your
own anymore. He has purchased you with a price. So
I think that's the I think it's another issue that
I get with people where the ego and the pride
to think that we still have to say to unseal ourselves,
like we're not our own anymore. He's actually purchased us.

(31:48):
Every sinner that Jesus saves through his blood by faith alone,
it brings him glory. Even those individuals who say they
fall away or whatever, when NY get to Heaven, they're
going to be ashamed at the judgment seat. There is
going to be horrific for them. They are going to
be de ranked and it's not going to be fun
for them in that sense of like understanding what they did.
But they will be giving him so much glory because

(32:09):
he still purchased them and he gains glory for em
every sinner. If a saved individual could then undo that ceiling,
it actually strips glory from Christ. It actually, again, like
I've said, it makes sin more powerful than the blood
of Christ. And that's what's so like blasphemous to this.
So that's one group of people who say that you know,
you can forfeit it, but you know, besides that you're good.
Then there's the other group of people who are are

(32:31):
they're they're their fruit inspectors. You know, they look on
the outside, they look on the outward appearance like, oh man,
well that guy is still you know, he's still a drunkard, right,
Oh Like, oh man, this guy is on you know,
he's on the streets, he's homeless, he's smoking meth. Yeah,
he's not saved, right, It's like that guy's like that's that.
All that guy has is the Gospel. Even if he's
down his sin, he's struggling, all he's got is knowing

(32:53):
that Jesus still has him, you know what I mean?
Like what that is? Talk about a bondage? You know,
that's really that's what I was. That's what it's really
crazy you just said. That's exactly what Stevie.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
That like almost word for word what you just said
right before you jumped on. He was describing that thought
process like what you just said, word for words like that.
You could have a drunk, homeless guy and he could
be you know, he could he could be all for
Jesus and he could have that in his heart, but
he's a and people would look at that and go,
he's going to hell because he's a drunker and he's homeless.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Now that's what that makes me, That's what gets me
all fired up to like that's the hope of the gospel.
Like it's not so clear cut, like you have so
many people, like they think their crap don't stink, you know,
Like they think like their sin is not as bad
as that guy's sin, but they have no idea how
sinful they actually are. Like we really were fish in water.
We have no idea how sinful we are. And that
actual self judgment upon that guy is actually more disgusting

(33:45):
to the Lord. We see that when you see the Pharisees,
Like Jesus compares the Pharisee, he's like sitting there praying
to God, Oh Lord, thank you so much. I'm not
as bad as that tax collector over there, right, And
then the tax collector is over there, going Lord, forgive me,
I'm a sinner and says that man is justified. It's
the heart of that individual. So if there's a guy
on the street struggling with meth, but his heart loves

(34:07):
the Lord, he just he's just down and out. Man,
his life's hard. Guys like you know what I mean,
people give no grace, give no mercy, and thank God
God is God, because man, people were in God's shoes,
it'd be horrible so yeah, that's well, yeah, so it
means if you're saying that same thing, Steve, and that's
obviously the Holy Spirit right there confirming it to witnesses.
So yeah, it's something I'm very passionate because that's what

(34:29):
saves you. Man.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
It's like this true faith, right and it's not this
fake faith. It's not this this this idea of faith.
It's it's not even like this faith that's like an
idol to some people. It's true, hardcore faith, man. And
it's if you believe Jesus Christ is God, you know,
died for you, resurrected and and and the Gospels you know,

(34:55):
because the Gospel, you know, the Gospels are you know,
the power of salvation. It's just there's a there's a
true point in the middle of all of this when
it gets real. You know where you got to when
you make that decision. You know it's real because when
you wake up that next day, or even when you
go home after that period of time where man, you're like,

(35:16):
what happened to me? I just got saved? It's real, dude.
It's life changing, and it's even way more impactful for
the people that don't grow up in the church and
they experience Christ you know, firsthand. Yeah, right, And you know,
I wanted to circle back around to the to the
group of people that claim to be Christians that are

(35:37):
deconstructing from the faith, that are now making social media
videos and being influencers out there to encourage other people
to deconstruct from the faith because of their problems, because
of their dirtiness or whatever issues that they're dealing with
in their life. You know, Jesus didn't fulfill this for
me here, right, And it's like, brother, you've had the

(35:58):
wrong idea the whole time. Don't even like like stop that.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Right, It's it's always gonna come back to the matter
of the heart, you know, and a lot of people go
into Jesus trying to get what they can try to
get from him instead of realizing it's a relationship and
it's not. You know, it's well, God gave me and
my wife a great comparison. So because me and my

(36:27):
wife we had a long distance relationship for the first year,
and it was such a great mirroring of our relationship
with God because you know, the only way that could
I could communicate with her was through FaceTime, phone calls
and that's where we built our relationship through you know,
that long distance relationship. But it took for both of

(36:48):
us to you know, show effort and to reach out
for each other to keep that relationship you know fed.
So then once we actually came together and we got married,
it was like built up, you know, like the foundation
was built. And then once we came together to be
physically together, it was, you know, beautiful. It was off
to the races, right you already is a foundation laid exactly,

(37:08):
So what's That's exactly what's going on right now with
God is we have a long distance relationship and we
pray to him. You know, he speaks to us through
his words. So he gives us letters, right his sixty
six books, his sixty six letters, and we grow this
relationship now and then there's going to be a day
when we're going to see him face to face where
you're with him for all eternity. I mean, we're going
to be with them forever. And right now it's very

(37:29):
very important because right now we live by faith. But
there's going to be a day where we're not going
to live by faith. But yet this time that's very
short on the timeline of eternity sets up eternity, if
that makes sense. Like this whole existence is a giant exam,
you know, like this is what this is all about.

(37:50):
You know, everyone's trying to live their best life now.
People are too worried about things in this world. Like
this life is purely a test by fire of your faith.
The first test is to see are you going to
have faith even just believe and trust Him to be saved.
That's the first test for everybody, every soul. You pass
that test, now you get thrown into the race. That's

(38:12):
what Paul talks about. You get thrown into the fight.
You're now enlisted into the war like in Second Timothy
chapter two. So now you're a soldier. Now you're an athlete.
You're running the race, and you're not running their race
for your salvation. You're running their race to see how
close you can get to Christ with your faith in
this on this side of eternity. To then see at
the judgment, see what your exam your results like, Oh,

(38:33):
here's your faith, this is what your faith produced and
your love for me. Good job, good and faithful servant.
Or those who didn't, you know, they succumb to their
own world you know, you're gonna lose out on stuff.
We're gonna see stuff burnt up, you know. So I'm
trying to encourage believers the significance of this what the
purpose of life is? You know, the purpose life is

(38:53):
not for God to give us our best life now
or you know, the purpose of life is to have
that relationship with Him and to be conformed to his image,
to be a living sacrifice to him with a Roman
stractor twelve talks about that. So yeah, man, you're absolutely right. Though.
The people who Alrea deconstructing everything, the majority of them,
they had a horrible they didn't have the proper view
of who Jesus was. False gospel, work based, because that's

(39:16):
what a work based gospel actually does. It It turns
Jesus into this really terrible God, this really like vindictive
God that is wishy washy that you know, Oh you're
saved one second, but up, I'm going to send you
to hell the next second, kind of keeping hell, you know,
above your head as a child. And uh yeah, so
I actually don't. I can't blame people for leaving that

(39:36):
because they have a you know, false gospel. Man. It's
it's bad because I want this.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
I'm sorry. There's a lot of the stem from the
Torah or the New the Old Testament, Like I feel
like people bring a lot of that. I don't know,
the strictness and how crazy the Old Testament was with
the commands.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
What he's referring to is like the law, right.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Yeah so yeah, yeah, yep.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
No. People. Again, when people don't understand how to interpret
the scriptures and how they see it, they definitely will
take things out of context and look at God how
he was under the law, even though that the law
was meant to shine a light on how we can't
do this and that Jesus was going to fulfill it
perfectly and showing our own sin. So there's a purpose

(40:21):
behind it. But then God, I think we have a
bad view of humanity and how like humanity was during
the law because a good way, I like, try to
use it, because whether people want to believe it or not,
everyone's a dispensational list at some level because there's different
eras when people are God treats people in a different way.

(40:44):
I mean God obviously treated Adam and Eve differently than
he treated Abraham compared how he treated Noah and the patriarchs, right,
and then how he treated the Israelites with the Mosaic Law,
and then now how he treats us like you see
that clearly that he does. You know, his program's a
little different and he's still the same god, but how
he parents his children is different. And a good acknology

(41:04):
is this are of this is when you have a child,
you're going to parent your one year old different than
you're going to parent your fifteen year old, or how
you how you parent you're twenty five year old. Right,
So the older they get, the more freedom you start
to give them, and then they actually start to become
your friend if you're a good parent. But you know,
when they're a one year old, you're really on them, right,
You're really you're over them. Restrictions, fenced in, everything's locked away, right,

(41:29):
I mean like they're gonna die if I don't watch them.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Oh yeah, the little boy's climbing up over the counter
that doesn't fall right on his side.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah, dude, they're got Yeah, they'll get in trouble. But
once you start getting older, you start taking some restrictions,
giving them more freedom, and then once you're an adult,
you're either friend, right, that's what God is doing with mankind,
with the Jews under the law. This is you have
to imagine mankind as children and you have to be restricted.
You have to have the law around them, protecting them
because I mean you literally see after I mean, it

(41:59):
wasn't even that long Moses goes up, he comes back down,
They're already having orgies and they're worshiping the Golden calf,
you know what I mean, like like that quick, like
what's going on in this society? I mean you have
Canaanites drinking, but I mean literally just complete debauchery, complete
just and more you know, chaos, okay, complete chaos, like
we we have a we don't understand like how just sinful?

(42:20):
I mean, I mean you're actually seeing that right now
with how society is kind of going back to that
right to what she what she's guess what during the tribulation,
He's going to bring that fire back to h to judge.
But yeah, you're you're definitely right though, people with without
having a proper view of how God's programs works, they
do take things out of the Old Testament and then
they'll try to use that as a way of viewing

(42:42):
God and why I try to tell people if this
is why it's so important to understand God's grace, because
if you don't view God through the lens of grace,
then you're gonna have a bad view on him. Because
his holiness, his justice, these other attributes. You need to
be able to view him through grace. That's why the
gospel of grace. His grace is everything, and his grace

(43:05):
actually magnifies everything else because how magnificent he is to
be this God of holiness and justice. But yet his
grace shows his favor towards those who you know, who
accept him because He wants them. And that's what's so
important for us to know. Right now, you know that
we're saved by grace through faith, and how you know
grace is everything. That's why we need to be careful,

(43:26):
that we need to be gracious to people, that we
need to show mercy, that we need to have that
same heart. And that's one thing that God has been
placing on me big time lately is be careful how
we judge. I mean, there's scripture after a scripture about
the measure of judgment you give it's coming back your way.
James talks about how you know mercy triumphs over judgment.
What's actually really terrifying and the parable of the minas

(43:46):
the lazy servant. He he talks, you know, when the
Master comes, the servants like, oh, well, well you I
know that you're a tough man, and I did all
this because I know that you're strict. So then the
Master tells them how to your own you shall be judged.
So it's like literally what comes out of your mouth
and what you judge is coming right back to you. Man,
And that's something I don't want. I want to make

(44:08):
sure that I'm gracious and merciful, and because I want
to have God show me grace and mercy at the judgment. Again,
this is the great judgments to Christ. But I want
to make sure that that my heart posture is right
there just in that relationship with them, right.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Yeah, And it's almost like what gets it from me too.
This really made me wrap my mind around this whole
concept of because it's a struggle sometimes when you're ignorant
to some of the wisdom right where you're like, you know,
well he made the law.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
I means he is the law.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
He fulfilled the law, then he is the law and
you're like there's like there's roadblocks, you know, if you
don't have the wisdom and the understanding to fully wrap
your mind around this context. But what did it for
me is when the Pharisees brought the adulterous woman in
front of Christ, right, and you know, they were they
were questioning Christ. They were trying to catch him in

(45:00):
some sort of blasphemy or something, right, that this was
their time where they could they could get him right
because he's a teacher, right, Jesus is a teacher, and
so they're trying to set him up. And as they're
questioning him, and and which they had completely wrong. You
have to bring both the man and the woman. They
only brought the woman right, so they were wrong in

(45:22):
the first in the first hand. So but you know,
Jesus is writing on the ground with his finger. And
when you go all the way back to when Moses
went up into Mount Sinai right and got the ten commandments,
you know it was the finger of God that wrote
the ten Commandments on the on the stone.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
And so he's symbolizing.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
That I am the law maker and how dare you
in my mind because I'm I don't know, kind of
like a just a go go go guy. I don't
know if anyone knows what that means, but I'm just
like super tough. So in my mind, I'm like, you know,
I'm the I'm the lawmaker, right like you?

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Who are you to question me? You little human? Right?
You think you know everything?

Speaker 3 (46:07):
So he didn't say a word. He just started drying
in the sand.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Well, Matt, I'll let you go ahead and take off
with that.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
But but I just found I found it interesting that
whole concept that this this story where you know, I
was like, it just hits so hard for me one
point and I was like, wow, like there's things beyond
our understanding and we can't just simplify certain things, uh,
you know, to how our little mushy brains can can

(46:35):
wrap our minds around these certain concepts. You know what
I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (46:38):
No, absolutely, man. And it shows that he I mean,
in John chapter three, you see that he did not
come into this world to condemn it. He came in
to save it. Now when he comes back the second time,
he's for sure going to judge it. But uh, it's
you see a whole bunch of finite humans trying to judge,
you know, and James talks about to be careful. There's
only one judge, one lawmaker, one law giver, and that

(46:59):
ain't our job. In our role. Now we can make
discernment decisions and you know, make you know, this is
what I try to, like do. I try to make
sure that I don't judge individuals. I judge actions and
if something is mature or not. So if like someone's
doing something unwise, I can make a judgment like that's
not wise. Man, wouldn't be doing that, wouldn't be you know,
messing with that. But I'm not going to cast a

(47:21):
judgment on them thinking that I'm better than them, that
they're lower than me, because in their situation I would
probably do the same thing, you know, or maybe worse,
who knows. So I think there's just a fine line
that we need to walk, that we're being very careful
when we do cast judgment, and that it's not on
the person but more just either beliefs or ideas and

(47:41):
more of just a discerner of immaturity or maturity. Because
that's one thing I want to try to get across
too to people, because I feel like a lot of
Christians don't understand that there is a category of carnal
Christians that there are. There's a category of immature believers.
First Corinthians three talks about it. They're like milk drinkers.
They are the milk drinkers, and Paul rebukes them. He's like,

(48:03):
you guys should be mature by now, but you guys
are carnal. You have three categories. You have spiritual babies
who you know, they're new to the faith, you know,
so they have to grow. And then you have Christians
who've been a Christian for a while, but they're immature,
they're carnal, and Paul rebukes them. And then you have
spiritually mature believers. Now, a good comparison I like to
use in the Old Testament is the difference in comparison

(48:24):
between Abraham and then Lot, his nephew. So Abraham is
actually known as a friend of God. That's actually the
whole point of James chapter two. That Abraham is justified
amongst men as a friend of God because of his
faith that he went to sacrifice Isaac, and because of
that faith he produces blessings to all the nations. And
obviously he is the father of faith. And now he
is known as the friend of God. But Lot is

(48:47):
not known as a friend of God, not once in
the scriptures as he talked about as a friend of God. Actually,
you see in the scriptures how he's talked about. I
mean he sleeps with his two daughters. I mean he
gets raped. But still you know, he's getting drunk and
you know, showing his own maturity allowing that to happen.
He's living in Sodom. He's compromised. But yet Peter still

(49:07):
calls him a righteous man. Why is that Well, because
he believed upon Yahweh and it was accounted to UMA's righteousness.
That's Genesis fifteen, verse six for Abraham. But likewise Lot
also did that. And you see these two comparisons between
these two believers. One's mature, one's carnal. One brings blessings
through the faith, and one actually brings curses because of that,
those actions with his daughters, they actually produced the Moabites

(49:30):
and these enemies to Israel for centuries, for literally sent
for years creating enemies because of that decision of being
unfaithful and being a carnal believer. And now Lot for
all the eternity is going to have that reputation. That's
another thing, Reputation is going to be huge in the kingdom,
you know, Like, so what we do down here, it's
going to be a reputation thing that we are held to.

(49:53):
Abraham is known to having a good reputation lot bad reputation, right,
So we just need to understand these categories and just
make sure that, like when we're walking in this world,
that we're not judging that cardinal Christian but we're trying
to uplift them. We're trying to like bring them out
of that state, but we're trying to show them, hey,
like there's better things for you. Don't try to condemn them, like, oh,

(50:13):
you're not I don't know if you're even to save bro,
I think you might be going to hell. Like that
just pushes them even further, or they try to like
muster up their own you know, works to try to
be saved or whatever that looks like. Try to encourage
them to understand their identity and go hey, like why
this is why are you doing this? Like this isn't
who you are? You know. It's like seeing a like
a prince laying in the mud with the pigs, Like you, dude,

(50:36):
don't you know who your dad is get out of there, right,
So just trying to get that across the believers and
understanding how do we actually encourage believers and these different
categories and how we just serve and whatnot. Yeah right.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
I know a couple Christians that go to church, they
go to church frequently, and they're so politically charged, you know,
and it's just that That's what reminded me of that,
and I'm just like, they gotta stay, you know, we
us three and most of our viewers are kind of like,

(51:07):
I don't know, I wouldn't I wouldn't say necessarily centralists,
but I feel like we're aware of the debakery going
on in our government.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Now.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
The world we live in is ran by horrible people.
They're the politicians are all just as bad as one another,
mostly for the most part. But yeah, then you get
then you get other people playing sides red and blue,
you know, tribalism.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Yep, and they're losing their identity. What's sad is you
have Christians playing into this, you know.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Yeah for real, man, I know. And what's sad is
Christians are actually I said, Christians. Christians are actually pushing
for these agendas that these elites are wanting to accomplish,
right for example, and again, we may have viewers that
are on the Trump train, and that's that's cool. You

(51:54):
do your thing, but you've been set up. And if
you don't know by now seeing the things that have
been passed, the five hundred billion dollars budgeted Starygate project,
the Genius Act that got passed, where stable coins are
going to be pretty much the new thing for you know,
the financial monetary system of America and probably you know,

(52:18):
around the country because we're the leaders in the world,
right and whoever, whatever we do, people fall in suit
with because it works off base, it works based off
of GDP. We have the highest GDP, right, so we've
got the nicest things, right, I mean, everything that functions
around the world is functioned through buying and selling, you know.

(52:40):
So what is your what are your thoughts with the
Genesis Act, Matt?

Speaker 1 (52:47):
That's the mark of the Beast Act right there. Man,
are they setting up the stame?

Speaker 2 (52:50):
I said, Genesis Act? Forgive me, it's the Genius Genius Genius. Sorry,
that was yeah, I know, Matt, Yeah, I mean you
even traced the d of genius and it should kind
of you know, dude, oh gosh, yeah, what the meaning is.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Don't get me started on that, man, because what they're
doing with the AI, they're making their own genies, you know,
their own uh ascended masters. Really but yeah, the whole
Genius act. They're just again it's the mark of the
beast infrastructure. In my opinion, they're you know, they're and
they're playing this type of nineteen eighty four double speak.
Oh well, we're gonna ban cbdc's, you know, but yeah,
we're making a digital stable coin, which is exactly what

(53:28):
that's central bank digital currency. I mean, the US dollar
is the Federal Reserve, which is a central bank. And
if you make that a digital dollar, that's a central
bank digital dollar. But you know, it's just but but
because again because people, because people are ill informed and
misguided and we are sheep. Just because Trump says, oh, well,

(53:49):
I'm banning CBDCs. They just hear that and they go,
oh look he's good. See and they don't actually know
what's going on. It's very we're dude, We're we're done.
I guess like like the they have hacked, they have
hacked us. We're hackable animals. They have hacked us. They
they have got the technology. I mean, we have bio
fields that they are hackiness on different levels. They know

(54:09):
exactly how to just misdirect us and hit us with
all this different information. And that's honestly kind of why,
like I've just kind of almost bowed out a little
bit and just hammering the gospel because it's like it's
like the battle's lost in the sense of like that
like feel that that fields over the system. The b
system a tire. It's going full steam ahead. It's a
it's a runaway train, man, and you nothing stopping it.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Dude, Yeah, dude. Once once Project Stargate gets going and
they fully get that built and get that whole system
dialed in, it's gonna be you know, the Genius Act
is just a part of that. It's gonna be like
a social credit score system mixed with everything that you
have to do and everything you do in life you're banking.

(54:52):
I mean, just think of just thinking anything. And if
these people can't you know, a lot of a lot
of people that are still on the Trump train. If
you can't, if you can't get by stuff like okay,
I can't really see that as the Genius Act being
that bad or Project stargate being that bad. What about
the gas lighting that he just did you with the
Epstein list, What about all the gas lighting that he's

(55:13):
telling you that he's, you know, fixing the economy. It's
definitely not being fixed right now. It seems like it's
only getting worse. And I don't know if it's the
tariffs or whatnot, but it's it's a lot of gas lighting.
So if you get that, doesn't break you. I mean
just I don't know, you got to open your ears
and eyes. And some people just like to play, you know,
they like to play games. It's tribalism. It's like this
is the Buffalo Bills, this is my team, do or die.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
I don't well caught my attention with Palenteer, right, Palenteer
being this this national uh basically eagle eye in the
sky right, and it's going to be retrieving data and
building up models of certain people where it can build
a predicated uh you know, based system that runs a

(55:57):
software to where it can it can predict things that
you're going to do because it knows you better than
you know yourself. What gets me is that Talenteer, why,
I mean, it's involved with a bunch of different companies. Right,
it's it's it's contracted, right, it starts out to anybody.
Part of the thing is it's also contracted with the
I R S.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
It's like an octopus technicles every day. Man, Yeah, why
is it contracted with the I R S. It's it's
the it's the connector of all the agencies to centralize,
is what it is. It's the AI that's being used
to centralize everything into one master database to then have
complete control. It's complete control to identify, to label each individual.

(56:41):
And it's used for it's military. I mean, as you
guys know, it's military because you know, we are the targets,
the human you know, the citizenship is the ultimate targets.
And you know at this point, man, like the people
who can't see it, I don't think any it's too late.
I think right now the battle alliance have been drawn.
There's there's not many people the fence. So people who

(57:01):
either see it see it, and people who don't. I
don't think there's really much more that that they could.
I think they're just gonna go further into their cognitive dissonance,
that they'll go further into their own psychosis. You know what.
I mean, like there's just because if you haven't seen
it by now, because it's very clear, then they're just
going to continue to drink the kool aid. Right, So
we just got to make sure that we don't get

(57:23):
pulled into that because the enemy wants to pull us
into that, like that propaganda. Yeah, and then that war
with them, right because like you see what's going on
and then you get frustrated as somebody who doesn't. So
then you get like this kind of bitterness and you
kind of want to like shake him away.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Right.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Well, the enemy wants you to have that feeling. He
wants you to then engage with him, which is not
There's nothing good coming from it. Man. You know, there
are no talking to these people off the cliff. They're
going full board. And I mean these are gonna be
the people that take the mark of the Beast, you know,
like these are gonna be the people who are worshiping
the anti Christ. And right now what you guys are
witnessing with the Genius Act, with Stargate, with all the

(57:58):
AI data centers, with the Temple and Israel, they are
preparing for the tribulation. I mean you see Trump right
now getting ready for the militarization of the federal or
federalization of police forces, you know, bringing a national guard
to cities. It is slowly implementing things, also requiring a
like identification for YouTube and TikTok. Right, Like they're slowly

(58:21):
implementing these things because they know how close we are
to the end and they got to get these systems
up because once that that flip, you know, that switch flips,
it's came on. So they're like, it's pretty much what
we're seeing right now. It's like a chess game or
like a you know, like a game of like war,
like on the board game you have risk and like
it's right now you're seeing them putting all their figurines,

(58:44):
all their they're just like getting get there, getting the
board ready. So then once the button press and then
it's all off to the races, and it's, uh, people
are gonna have no idea what's coming, because it's it's
being like a set like a snare, like a trap,
right and there's gonna and there was gonna lynch it
right at that second. People are gonna have no idea.
I mean, COVID was kind of a soft version of that.
People had no idea then they got lynched and then

(59:05):
he had people freaking out. But what's coming though, is
going to be a thousand times worse than that.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
Absolutely on top of the cognitive dissidence comment that you made,
the AI is so it's hard to discern from reality.
My my mother in law the other day just sent
me a video of like a bear and a rabbit
bouncing on a trampoline together, and she's like, isn't this cute?
And I'm like, that's that's AI, you know, And it's like,

(59:30):
other than that, there's you know, much more believable your videos.
So it's like, how are you going to discern the
truth the propag you going to discern the propaganda?

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Here, here's a scary thing. Man, it's only going to
get worse, or it's only going to get better the technology,
but is only going to get worse the deception, right,
and then Jesus warns that in Matthew twenty four, you're
going to he marks the end times by deception. Take
here that nobody deceives you, and this deception is going
to be off the chart, I mean the second that's

(01:00:00):
Alonians chapter two. You have the great deception, the great
delusion that descends upon the world that the manilalysis comes
with the working of Satan, and we're seeing that right now.
You're seeing the deception being built in. I think aliens
have a huge part with that as well. They're playing
they are drumming that up big time with that three
I at lis that you know, whatever the heck that is,

(01:00:20):
if if it's even anything. But they are trying to
like bring this narrative that there is life and you know,
they're going to somehow tie that into AI. I believe.
I think they're going to tie that in and it will
be a religion. Now people are already making it a
religion with AI. They are doing this thing called like
quantum mirring with their AI, where the AI keeps data

(01:00:44):
of your conversations and it keeps the best of you,
so then it forms your own self, but the higher self.
It's it's like crazy, dude, it's pretty it's quantum. What's
that called quantum mirring? Or is like the quantum mirror,
So like the AI is trying to do that. So
it is it's a very New Age practice because the

(01:01:05):
New Age believes, you know, you're ascended master your higher self.
So they're using AI now as is conduit as this
tool to then channel your higher self because you know
you're talking to AI all the time, and knows your Google,
your Internet, searches, your desires, your social media, so it
knows all of you. So then when you're talking to it,

(01:01:25):
it's taking all the best of you and then projecting
that back to you to then teach yourself. So it's
just back. It's just self worship. Man, it's the beast.
It's it's idolatry at the worst level. It's the Tower
of Babble two point zero. And that's why I'm trying
to like do like we are so close, so close
to the tribulation, and depending on what people believe with

(01:01:45):
the rapture, right, it is at the door. So whether
you believe in a pre trib or post trip, it
doesn't even matter at this point because you got to
make sure that you're right with the Lord, because we
are like at the door of like just complete chaos ensuing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Yeah, And I think one part of the great delusion
is that people, first of all, when you're in this delusion,
you're in this, You're you're in this. Man, it's so late,
I can't even think. But anyways, like you're you're you're
in this deception that you can't sense it. You you
the nature of being deceived is that you don't know

(01:02:19):
you're being deceived.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
And for example, like what's going on is we're seeing
the normalization of the occult throughout the whole world right now.
It's appearing in many different things. The New Age is
one of them, but that there's many different players right
that that are promoting this this unity of consciousness concept.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
And so what has happened in the late eighteen hundreds
and the early nineteen hundreds, you had Aleister Crowley, Yolano Bovlotski,
you know, Jack Parsons, You've had you know, you know Levy,
You've had all these players, Alice Bailey that are were
they knew what to do.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
To usher in these ascending masters.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
They knew what to kind of they knew what the
protocol was in some sort of way because they were
practicers of this thing, of this of this whole concept
of the occult where they were trying to make this
connection of the seventh kind, right like to where you know,
there's different kinds of contact, right, but the seventh kind
is where you're actually manifesting the entity in the same

(01:03:19):
room as you or with you, and then there's a
lot of sexual relations that kind of happen with experiences
when people do do this. Right, So it brings me
back all the way to Genesis six. It says, you know,
you know that the sons of God came and made
it with the daughters of men, and they had nephilm
and giants and all this kind of stuff, right that
whole Genesis six narrative. Well, Jesus says that in those

(01:03:40):
in the end times, it would be as like the
days of Noah. So what we're seeing is we're seeing
an effect to where they're they're putting on this this psychosis, right,
this this this energy broadband that that's going out through everything.
It's going out through propaganda, it's going out through movies,
it's going out through everything. Where people in the younger

(01:04:01):
generations are being you know, they're being sucked into this
way easier than the older generations because the older generations
are going I don't know, this is all kind of weird,
like us pointing this stuff out, but the masses are
starting to get more developed. This this idea of this
connective consciousness is building up more and more and more
and than this, the the ideas and the beliefs are

(01:04:22):
building up more. The manifestation is coming and more. We're
seeing more, you know, things of UFOs in the sky,
right there's who knows. Those could be AI, could be bluebem,
it could be a bunch of different things. But the
whole idea is like I always kind of go towards uh,
you know, the bloodstells, right, So, and they claim to
be Christian, you know, a Christian family, but they're also uh,

(01:04:45):
you know, having groups of people.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
This is like that what is it called Jesse the
CE five? What does Stephen Greer call it?

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Yeah, it's CE five. They're they're praying for these orbs
to show up. But that's a part that's a part
of magic manifestation.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Yeah, I don't even know that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
But they're they're like, oh, this is a way to
connect with a higher entity or a higher level of consciousness.
Maybe it's our ancestors. This has been this has been
ancient for a long long time. The Egyptians were doing it,
the Greeks were doing it, the Romans were doing it.
Every civilization in time since the beginning, we're doing these things.
I even think that when Cain left the garden, he

(01:05:23):
pushed this agenda of how to do these things, but
he was taught to it, probably from the serpent or
you know, whatever was else in the world at that time. Right,
because we know that it's not just as simple as
just you know, Adam eve Seth, Cain and his wives

(01:05:44):
like and his children and the bloodlines.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
I think there was a little bit more to it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
There's pertinent things that are in the Bible for us
to know, but I think, you know, it's a little
bit more elaborate than that. I think that they started
this idea, right, how do you get the concepts of Nimrod,
how do you get the concepts of you know, Osyrius,
how do you get the concepts of Apollo? You get
these concepts of this deification of some sort, and they're

(01:06:09):
trying to bring this in. My point is the Occult
is playing for you know, the bad team, and they're
trying to usher in their agenda for their king Satan
to come in and rule this world.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
That makes that makes any sense, Yeah, They're bringing in
their serpent Messiah Matreya. That's that's their goal.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
There.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
It's the Antichrist, but they're trying to bring it in.
I mean, Alice Bailey brought twenty twenty five of the
Reappearance of the Christ is what she wrote, and it's
this false light movement that they are ushering in. Have
you read of any Gary Wayne stuff? Yes, yeah, he's
got Yeah, he's got good stuff about the whole cane
and Enoch the Evil and all.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
That, the freemasonry to traditions and all That's kind of
like where I was kind of getting at with all
of that, because I think that's where a lot of
this stems to, or it started from, because because even
the occultists will tell you that, yeah, it goes back
to the garden. They kind of call Adam the first
free Mason, which I don't agree with. I think that
obviously Adam had some sort of knowledge. You have to

(01:07:12):
have some sort of knowledge. You walked with God, you
have to have some sort of, you know, level of
intellect to be able to be an agrarian, to you know,
be in the garden and to till the ground and
to you know, have all these orchards. You know, it
could have been many different things that he had to
you know, be in charge of and to facilitate all
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
But what you call Kane the first Freemason.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
I call Kane the first Freemason.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
I think he was that that was that idea of
taking that kind of knowledge and twisting it and inverting it.
But then that makes sense because it just falls in
line with you know, for example, the Freemasons, they think
it's a gnostic view. It's a gnostic view, right, it's
how they twist it and they turn it, yeah in
a way.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
Yeah, they and then they use all of that knowledge
whatever it is, or their own good selfish needs.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
I mean they would even rather be made whole than
be good.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Some of them say they they believe it's a balance
of good and evil. But the most creativity comes from
the was it the clip off or something which is
gets into like cobbalism. Cobbolism is like the tree of life,
but then there's a dark part of it which is
the clip off, which is like doth off or whatever

(01:08:27):
it is. But anyways, there's this whole concept that it's
the ying and the yang, right that makes you whole.
You have to balance both, right, It's like Star Wars
two point zero this idea. But it's wrong that that
to me just characterizes Lucifer.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Right. He was good and he went bad.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
But in order to be like him, you have to
master both of these concepts. God calls us to be righteous.
God calls us to be good, to do good, to
hate evil. Even when you read in Isaiah, right, Isaiah's
like woe and to those that call good evil and
evil good. I think he's honestly saying, hey, woe to
the occultists, because they're the ones saying that same exact thing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
So, yeah, that's crazy. That's so true.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
It is, And it goes back to the tree knowledge
of good and evil. You know, we went in our
own way to gain our own knowledge of understanding without
God guiding us. And that's what I mean, literally what
the cult and the secret societies are doing. They're going
after their own knowledge of good and evil without God.
And it's literally like the manifestation of that to this day. Yeah,

(01:09:36):
it's at a certain point, it's pretty crazy to think
what reality even is. You know, like it's wilder than
any movie could ever could ever even imagine.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
It's all the movies combined into one.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
It's the greatest epic ever told, you know, And it's
that's what kind of gives me pumped up though, knowing
like that Jesus is the king right and he's the
righteous one. He actually you know, he's going to settle
all this and his long suffering is allowing this time
for people to come to them. But there's going to
be a day when that that that's over, you know,

(01:10:08):
that the cup is full and the judgment comes, and
every one of these evil doers, every one of these occultas,
every one of these individuals, they're going to have to
account man, and that is a scary, scary thing. And
they have no idea what's coming their way. Like I
actually pity them. You know. It's like you guys have
no idea what's coming. So with that, like it makes me,

(01:10:29):
it humbles me, if that makes sense. You know, they
want to puff up with their knowledge and their you know,
esoteric teachings and them trying to do their own thing,
and as send it's like, hey, I'd rather rather go
just lay lay down on my stomach and just I'm
in your hands. God, I'm nothing. I'm literally nothing. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
And with this whole concept of mk ultra and neuralink
and the fact that there was a progression with how
can we control the consciousness of man?

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Because I think at the end of the day, Satan
also wants to seek after our agency because what I
mean by agency is that I say this all the
time in the show. But you know, so I can
get you to understand what I'm saying is I have
control over Siri. You know what I'm saying. Siri doesn't
have control of me. I have agency over over Siri.
And I think Satan does not like that about us,

(01:11:30):
because we can still have the choice to choose Christ
all the way until our last breath. So if he
can come up with something like a mark, right, a
mark of the Beast, I think it has ties to
this idea of mk Ultra where when you take this
thing when you're when you when you choose to worship it,

(01:11:52):
this this beast right, this image right, and you choose
to take the mark of it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
Now you're you, You've you've.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Lost, there's no more there's no more second chances for
you know what I'm saying. And when you get into
some of the technologies that they're starting to develop, you
know some you know most of it's made out of
carbon elements, carbon being six protons, six neutrons, six electrons.
They're they're creating more things out of graphene than we've

(01:12:24):
ever understood or even like had the idea, Like what dude,
I mean, we had a guy on our on that
last show where he was talking about all these DARPA
technologies and it's insane how advanced they really are. You know,
I think that Satan his ultimate move is to try
and to take that agency away.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
It's very similar to like the hive mine.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Right, You've got the queen bee that it's able to
control the rest of the hive with pheromountains and other
types of of of channeling ways. But you know the
fact is is at some point those bees they don't
they no longer have agency. They now doing what the
queen wants them to do. Right, So I in always
see that and I think Satan that's a part of

(01:13:06):
his characteristics is too, that's how he wants to rule.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
Well, he wants to counterfeit Christ. So he wants his
own bride, his own unholy harlot is what he wants.
So like he's counterfeiting in a mirroring Christ. So as
a believer, we believe in Jesus, right then we become
one with him. His spirit comes inside of us. We
are now one with him. John chapter seventeen is the
whole prayer that Jesus praise at you know, Father, let

(01:13:31):
them be one with us as I'm one with you. Well,
the Antichrist is going to do that same thing with
this technology. Where at that point when the technology is
there with the mark of the beast, people who then
do this merging, they're becoming one with the anti Christ.
It is literally the antithesis or the mirroring, the counterfeit
of the Gospel right now. And when that happens for

(01:13:52):
those individuals, what that does it damns him for hell
because it pretty much is like a birth control that
now they take that they cannot receive the seed of God.
It's over, it's done, that the birth control is there.
They cannot, you know, be saved at that point for
these individuals. But you're absolutely right on with the hive mind.

(01:14:13):
Like we have the mind of Christ as believers, they
have the mind of the anti Christ. And there their
master will not be like ours, where our Master gives
us liberty to walk with freedom and love and you
know this relationship. But the anti Christ ain't gonna do
that with his is going to be complete control. It's
going to be complete slavery and condemnation and then damnation ultimately.

(01:14:34):
So it's interesting how Satan wants to be God so bad,
he wants to be Him so bad, and he wants
to counterfeit him. And that's why you have this technology
because he is not omnipresent, He is not omnipotent or
you know, you know he doesn't know everything. But with
the data of all of mankind, with cameras everywhere, with

(01:14:55):
all the technology, he can mimic it. You know, that's
the whole building of the AI infrastructure, building out the
surveillance state. You know, he's going to be able to
actually see everything at all, all times, all the different
technology with the frequency and the Wi Fi like sonar,
right you know, they can look and see. They know
exactly what's going inside our house right now. Because the
wife just blew my mind. Bro, you just made me

(01:15:16):
have a thought. It's like Lord of the Rings.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
It's like saw it on the all seeing eye that's
looking around searching for the ring. But what if the
ring is like the idea of the mark of the beasts. Right,
So when when Fronto puts it on, he sees you,
yeah and me, he knows where you're at, and there
is no escaping. You are connected to that hive mind.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
That's why Pier, that's why Peter Tiel loves the Lord
of the Rings. That's why the name is Paleteer up.
The Paleteery and all his companies have Lord of the
Rings names. You know, it's like one ai to rule
the mall. It's literally Lord of the Rings that we're
living in.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
Could you imagine it was like get out where they
just hit you with a signal and you just suck
into your.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
Like that's what they're going to do. Man, that would suck.
That's that's what's happening, man, dude. Right now. The only
reason why we have not seen the technology be used
at a higher level is because of the restrainer. Second
Thesalonius Chapter two makes it clear the restrainers holding back

(01:16:17):
the lawless one until that time once the once the
restrainer is removed, Like right now, guys, you can like
feel it, like the evil wants to come out and
like it kind of seeps through, but it is being
restrained we have no idea the levels of just wickedness
that is going to come upon this earth once the
restrainer is removed. Now, people can you know, people can

(01:16:40):
have opinions on who the restrainer is. But once the
restrainer is removed, that lawlessness and this wickedness and all
this technology that we have no idea that they have,
it's unleashed and it's going to be. People have no
idea what's coming. If they don't have Christ, it is
going to be something. I mean, Christ literally says there's
never been a time as bad as what's coming on

(01:17:02):
the face of the earth in all of mankind. And
that's saying something because there's been some really bad times. Yeah,
so well it makes me think too.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Right, So if that, if the restrainer is taken, removes himself, right,
I can say anyone can, No one can take.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
God out of the out of the equation. He removes himself.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Maybe that's why the two Witnesses one hundred and forty
four thousand, they go and they're preaching the Gospel during
these times of wrath and tribulation and all this. I mean,
just like what you're saying, right, when things can really
just escalate. I mean tremendously. You know, maybe there can
be an attack on the Word of God because I

(01:17:42):
think of a lot of predictive programming, right, and there's
so many movies out there. But it's very similar to
that movie four fifty one Fahrenheit, where they were controlling
the books that people were allowed. There were no more books,
books were no more and me being a firefighter, the
firefighters were in the movie. They were they were meant
to start fires rather than put them out, and those

(01:18:03):
fires that they would start would be piles of books
that people would try and hold on to throughout you know,
the ages.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
I remember I had to read that book in like
the seventh grade. It's a trippy book.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Yeah, yeah, And I don't I'm not saying I'm not
implying that, you know, Satan has the power to take
out the Word of God. I'm just saying that at
some point, you know, how how fast cascalate.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
You know, Oh, it's gonna be a tack, dude, it's
gonna be whenever it happens, You're gonna it's gonna be
a light switch. It's gonna be a flip. And they're
set in the stage perfectly. Now what's wild again. People
can have different opinions on the rapture or whatnot, but
they are already setting up the stage to call the

(01:18:52):
rapture anti semitic. So there's an article from Israel three
sixty five about the rapture and they said, how people
who believe in the secret Rapture, it's actually anti semitic
because with that belief, you're saying that God's going to
take the Christians but not the Jews, and that's and
that's anti Semitic. So you combine that with the NOA
hide laws. You combine that with the idea that the

(01:19:13):
anti christ will protect Israel for three and a half years.
You combine that with the state of Israel right now
and how everything's going with the temple. You combine that
with a two state solution. You can see the riding
on the wall that you know, if the theory is
true that a pre tribulation rapture does take place, that
after that takes place and people realize what happened and
whatever lie that, they say, they're going to call that

(01:19:34):
anti semitic. If you actually say that was God, and
then that will then be literally damnable. That they'll take
you know, with the NOA hide laws. If you break
the First Commandment, which is idolatry, and if you believe
in Jesus, that's idolatry, they'll know that's offered your head,
you know, like that's actually like you know, beheading is
the way that they do it. So you can kind
of see how Bible, at least New Testaments can be

(01:19:55):
removed very easily. They might try to keep the Old
Testament and you know and kind of twist it, but
the New Testament for sure will be completely removed. Be
able be anti Semitic. You always see that, you know,
like Versus, like Gena, you know, Revelation two nine three
nine about the Synagogue of Satan and whatnot. So they'll
take those out of context and go see this anti Semitic.
You gotta get rid of this. I think they're going

(01:20:16):
to hide everything behind anti Semitism in the UH, in
the Tribulation, there will be this total UH control from
the anti Christ protecting Israel. But then he flips on
them halfway through. So uh, that's what I'm That's what
I'm seeing personally with my own Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
Yeah, it's just it's social set socially. You see it
everywhere right now, everything is anti Semitic.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
Everything. I mean, what's sad is because there is legitimate
anti Semitism, right So it's like they create this problem.
But then like but then if you just have any
type of criticism, then you're anti Semitic. I mean, so
it's like that, you know what I mean. So it's
just this giant psychological warfare. But you can totally see
how this stage is set for the anti Christ to
come in and protect Israel because you know, during this

(01:20:58):
time we be like chaos. You know, Islam is going
to go full, full bore ahead against Israel. So the
Antichrist will protect Israel there at that time, and Israel
will not give credit to God, will give credit to
the anti Christ, worshiping him as the Messiah. And that's
where you start to see these laws be implemented. That's
when the martyrs are just going to be left and

(01:21:18):
right being taken out, you know. And one of my
biggest things is like, you know, do you really think
the church right now, like Christians as a whole, and
I'm speaking on myself, you do you think Christians really
have enough faith to go die right now? At the
millions be martyred. But we see like the disciples, they
walked with Jesus, and when he got crucified, they fled,

(01:21:39):
They like they fell away. It wasn't until they saw
the resurrection that that gave him that strength, that faith
to die for, you know, for what they believed in.
And likewise, my opinion, I think the Rapture is going
to be that miracle that gives faith to the tribulation
saints that they go, oh, no, that was Christ, all right,
I believe cut my head off. I don't care, you know,
I'm take take it like without that sign, I just

(01:22:03):
don't see the great multitude of martyrs actually going to
die for Christ right now. Right now, I see the
church that is completely just just divided amongst like just
divided like hairs like everywhere. Everyone is just confused. The
faith is at a low again. As a whole. I'm
not saying no, there's obviously great saints out there and
great strength and faith, but as a whole, I'm not

(01:22:26):
seeing a great multitude go willing to die for their faith.
Right now. I see a small remnant that would be
willing to do that. But we see in the Book
of revelation that a literal multitude is martyred. I mean,
they go for their faith. So my question is what's
going to give that faith to these individuals to do that?

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
Yeah, no, I mean you've got a great point too.
And it explains the alien heavyest agenda a little bit.
It explains the alien propaganda. I could see them moving
around this narrative after these possibilities could happen, right, Because
I like to play out all kinds of scenarios, I
think we should be running it through a con and
scenario engine so that when we do kind of see

(01:23:03):
one of them play out, we're like, uh, you know,
it's kind of like the Leonardo DiCaprio little if they.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
See that. I saw that. Yep, we talked about that
and it's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
But yeah, you know, with I wanted to get your
take on this and we could we could kind of
wrap it up with with this, there's a lot of
and it's it's split between It's kind of like how
we opened up the show, which I love how we
opened up the show, but where it seems like there's

(01:23:37):
a collision where you know, there's just kind of wars
going on with with uh, you know, believers based off
of theological perspectives. And there's the theological perspective that you know,
Israel and the Jews are you know, straits in the

(01:23:57):
goog of Satan. And then there's some that are talking
about you know where you know, well there's still God's people, right,
So talk to me a little bit about that in
your perspective.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
Yeah, So my perspective on that is, I think Roman's
eleven is pretty clear that there is still a purpose
for Israel and that all of true Israel will be saved,
but it's going to be horrific. We see that in
Zacharatch after thirteen, where two thirds are going to die
and the one third comes through the fire, and that's
going to be Jacob's trouble of Jeremiah thirty verse seven.
And I you know, Satan has done a great job

(01:24:32):
of setting up the Hegelian dialectic, the problem reaction solution
of using the Jews in their unbelief to then bring
a lot of hatred towards them, to then bring in
anti Semitism, and you know, anti Semitism, it shapes shifts,
you know, like during World War two, right know, Hitler
trying to exterminate them, and they had like classifications like

(01:24:56):
this is what a Semite looks like, this is who
we exterminate or at least be put away. Right, And
then later on, now the anti Semitism is to the
point of, well, no, that now they're Kazarians. They're not
even real. But yet they were according to Hitler, but
now they're not. So the anti Semitism just shapes shifts
around because it's a weird. It is a deeply spiritual

(01:25:19):
situation going on because the Jews stick together, so of
course they they then screw other people as a whole
throughout throughout eras like that's what they do, Like they
stick together because that's their group, and they look at themselves,
at God people, and then that kind of brings up
boasting that other people are worse. And then now the
Gentiles see that and then they hate them. It's just
this constant battle back and forth, and it's a spiritual

(01:25:41):
thing that only Jesus is going to solve. But there
is a purpose for them. And this is where I
think people will get getting confused. Being chosen just means
that you're chosen from God. That they're chosen people doesn't
mean that they're better. It means that they're just chosen,
chosen for a purpose, and God actually chose them because
it's like he chose like a small group of people,
like Hey, I'm going to show my power and my

(01:26:03):
preserving these people to bring them through the fire and
actually bring redemption to Israel because I am the God
of Israel. So what I see right now with the
whole Israel situation is there there are there are individuals
over there that are the Synagogue that are unbelievers and
they are actually kabbala you know, occultists, and they're part
of the you know, global Zionism to usher in the

(01:26:25):
end times. But you have the true remnant over there
that will be refined, the true Israel, all of Israel
will be saved. If Rome's eleven, they're there, and they're
a prophetic, huge prophetic peace in my opinion of the
times that are here, because if we are going to
take the Bible at its word and that Jesus is
actually going to set his foot on the amount of

(01:26:46):
olives and split that mountain, He's coming back to judge
the nation's into judge Israel. Israel's got to be in there.
You know, whether people want to say that's the real
Israel or not. Yeah, Jacob Rothchild technically bought it right.
But that God uses evil men for purposes. He used
Nebucha Nezer for his will, He used Cyrus for his will.
He uses the rulers of this world to bring about

(01:27:07):
his ultimate you know, will in the very end. So
this whole debate of oh, you know, do they have
any significance, Yeah, I think they have a huge significance.
I think it's a huge prophetic piece, especially because you
have little Israel, this little nation that all the nations
are freaking out a bell and that's actually Zacharai chapter twelve,
that Jerusalem will be a heavy stone that all the

(01:27:29):
nations will be drunk off of her. But yet, you know,
you have horrific things going on in the Congo, you
have horrific things going on, and other Arab countries. I
mean you literally have Arab countries that are giant, right
with different Muslims and everything. But Israel is this little
nation just and the Jews can't have that piece of
land like where they know historically there's artifacts that this

(01:27:52):
is what this is Israel, like, let him have it,
but they just there's a friction there. And this actually
goes back spiritually to the battle between Isaac and Ishmael.
It's a literal, spiritual thing that's a brotherhood rivalry that
is not going to be settled until Jesus comes back.
But if you don't have that view of the spiritual
warfare going on, then people are just going to be confused.

(01:28:14):
They're going to either go too far on one side
or no too far on the other. Because I have
an issue on both ends, you know, because I think
some people Christians they actually idolize Israel to a flaw
where they don't see any wrong and they are blinded
by just the reality of like, hey, we're all these
are all evil nations, that they're all ruled by unbelievers.

(01:28:34):
You know, Israel is no different than America with unbelievers
rule in them. But to idolize them is an issue
in my opinion. But to see them having a prophetic
peace and purpose and that that's their land, you know,
like I will stand by that as a Christian of like, hey,
look that's their land. I don't know, I don't tell

(01:28:54):
you guys, like I don't make the rules. God makes
it pretty clear with the Covenant that the land, and
a lot of people want to ignore it. They want
to spiritualize the the covenants and the Old Testament, but
he makes it very clear about the land, the land,
the land, the land. And you know, it's kind of
weird how we just have so much bitterness going both

(01:29:16):
ways when honestly it's just both sides our fault here
in the sense of they're both unbelievers, right, both Israel,
as I said, in a government stance, and you know,
the Muslim nations, they're unbelievers, so what do you expect.
Of course they're going to be doing what they're doing,
But we as believers need to take a stance of

(01:29:37):
what the Bible says, but also not being too biased
and looking past horrific tragedies going on and then losing
our humanity. I don't like some of the Christian Zionists
who you know, they kind of like have no issue
with just like nuking Gaza and just destroying all the children.
It's like, like, that's not christ like, right, It's just

(01:30:01):
not christ Like. At the same time, I do support
Israel to that land, it's just you know, it doesn't
mean I support the means of doing that. And how
the government's acting very well said, very well, said Mane.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
And I fall in line with with with a lot
of that because I feel that, right, it's like having
a balance with some of this stuff. I really think,
I really do think the enemy is trying to steer
us one.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
Way, you know, or the other way. And I feel like.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
That's just a part of this occult tradition where it's, uh,
you know, it's it's either you're white or you're black, right,
And I'm not talking about your skin color, but I'm
talking about that duality, right, that it's it's either so
extreme this way or so extreme that way. And I
think plus, you know, using the Bible and taking the

(01:30:49):
scriptures for what they say and kind of wrapping that
around some of these concepts that we're thrown at today
because there's so much propaganda going behind that all of this,
you know, And and the devil's coming after our psyche
number one, it's coming after the way we think. And
we just see that related in Genesis with Eve. But

(01:31:09):
the very first time that he's you know, at least
that I know that he spoke to man, right so
or humans where So it's just this concept that man
I think we're we're under spiritual attack, you know, for
the most part, and a lot of that contributes to
the way that we think. But man, dude, I appreciate
you coming on. This was a really fun show. Jesse,

(01:31:32):
you got anything before we close it out? I don't
remember I did, but I don't remember, so all good.
We'll keep that for the.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
Next show, my friend.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
Okay, all right, man, Well, Matt, real quick, if you
want to close out on a positive message, you know,
give you a couple of minutes to do that, and
then where they could find all your all your work.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
Yeah, of course, I guess before I go in the
positive I kind of want to actually tie in just
a little bit there. You talk about the pelaganda, just
for people to remember, propaganda goes both ways, you know.
I feel like, you know, there's propaganda on both sides,
and you just got to remember that. So when you're
sifting through the news, you know there's gonna be propaganda
on you know, western side and then also on Eastern side,

(01:32:14):
right Like you know, Islam and Muslims have a great
propaganda that they push, and same thing with you know,
Israel in the West, they have great propaganda. So he's
got to be careful that we're always having propaganda and
psychological operations thrown at us. So you's gotta be aware
of it, you know, to sift through and what's going on.
Just want to give that little warning to people, but
in a positive note. Man, dude, if you're a believer,

(01:32:38):
praise the Lord. They saying this life, Man, it's all temporary.
This is all fading away. Like we can shout for
joy knowing that this is this is not it. So
when you see all this destruction, you see the injustice,
you see the sin. You see what's going on in Gaza, Israel,
is Siria, He's see what's going on in the Congo,
you see what's going on here in the States. He
is a God of justice and we can rest in him. No,

(01:33:00):
He's going to bring perfect judgment and justice and we
can rest in him. And then with that we can
now go forth walking with love, walking with peace, patience, kindness,
to through the spirit. Doing what you were saying earlier, Stephen,
showing an example to then where people go, what does
that guy got? I want what that guy got, and
what you got is Jesus He literally his spirit inside

(01:33:21):
of you. And that's that's what you got. It's Him.
And you know, we all have to come to that
point of we got nothing in this world besides Him
saw Him seventy three. Who do I have in heaven
but you Lord, my heart, my flesh, my feel But
you are my portion forever. And I just want to
encourage the believers out there. You know, if you're struggling
with your identity in Christ or your salvation, he wants

(01:33:41):
you to know that you're secure in Him and how
much he loves you, and he wants a relationship with you.
And it's not this burden, it's not a heavy yoke,
it's not this thing that I got to whip myself
and you know, do all these things like it's just
abiding in his love and resting in him, and then
it starts to produce from you. You know, it's the
whole idea of good company corrupts. You know, our bad

(01:34:02):
company corrupts. Good morals will. Likewise, if you hang out
with good people, you start to kind of act like him, right,
You start to talk like them, you start to pick
up what they say. It's the same thing with God Man,
you start hanging out with him, you start reading his words,
start praying and he starts rubbing off on you. You know,
it's that simple. People make it too hard, they make
it too difficult, like, yeah, I gotta do this, I
gotta study the Bible, like, don't make it a work,
make a fun you know, enjoy it. So so I

(01:34:25):
to encourage you guys out there, just you know, it's
it's a relationship. I think people forget that and loose
sight of that on right on and awesome stuff. Man,
where can they find your content and all that? Oh yeah,
so yeah Instagram Shepherd for the King also uh live
by Faith Ministries on h Instagram. Our website is live
by Faith today dot org. YouTube Blue by Faith Ministries

(01:34:48):
as well, and uh TikTok is Shepherd for Messiah. So yeah,
those are the socials and everything for people who comment
here on this YouTube video, I'll uh, I'll comment like
with the YouTube nice channel, so people can go ahead
and follow that as well. So yeah, right on, man,
right on now. It's always a pleasure having you on, man.
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
I enjoyed every single time. And so but you know,
it ain't the first, it ain't the second time. Ain't
there time it's gonna be. We're gonna keep getting.

Speaker 1 (01:35:16):
You on the show man.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
It's a lot of fun because things obviously are gonna
need to be talked about.

Speaker 1 (01:35:21):
And I just enjoy having conversations with you. Man, It's
a lot of fun. I enjoy, man. Thank you for
having me. Yeah, man, so real quick. I don't usually
do this.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
Usually Taylor is here to pray us out, but I'm
gonna let you pray us out tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:35:35):
Sounds good, man, all right, right on, right on, Heavenly Father,
I just lift you up. H I just praise you.
You are so good and faithful, indeed, and I just
thank you so much for these just great group of
guys here. Just thank you so much for Jesse and
Steven and for having this opportunity to come and just
talk with them and just to share your goodness and
show up the gospel and talk about what's going on
in this world. So I just pray for protection and
guidance put upon them and also those who are watching

(01:35:56):
this video, just to know who who you are, Lord,
amazing and your how mighty you are, but how much
love you have and how much grace and mercy. So
let us rest in your love and your grace to
know who you are and have a relationship with you,
and just let your truth go forth and just come
quickly Jesus Marinatha, and we just pray this and your
mighty name is of all names, we pray. Amen. Amen, Amen, brother, Amen.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
Well, I appreciate you again, man, thank you so much,
and until next time. But we're gonna move over to
the next segment, folks, Bibical hit men debrief. We I said,
don't tell me you're frozen.

Speaker 3 (01:36:31):
Oh no, you're not.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Don't tell you. Don't tell me that you gotta be somewhere.
We got the biblical hitman debrief.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
Everybody. Matt, we appreciate you coming on the show. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
Love that guy, and uh, you know, some people have
a salty attitude towards him a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
But you know what, we need to all just sit
back for a second. Sit back for a second. This
is a show where we have.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
A lot of people on a lot of people have
very They hold a tight identity for the things that
that they are passionate about and that they talk about,
and we respect that for everyone. And I think what
we discussed this episode was much needed, especially the beginning

(01:37:18):
of the episode, and it's very important the things that
we talked about. This this episode held a lot of density,
if that makes any sense, you know what I'm saying, yeah,
because there's a lot of collision going on, right, There's
just it seems like in the Christian community, did you
just pull a muscle in your neck?

Speaker 3 (01:37:38):
I got a cramp in my neck.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
I'm turning, turning and looking at what's happening. But now
you know, I this is sorry. I don't know why
I did that. But listen what I'm saying. What's wrong
with us right now? I know I'm so tired. You
have a cramp in your neck. You're moving your neck.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
Around in weird ways, throwing me off.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
But but listen, folks, there's collisions going on, and it's
happening with different kinds of theologies. It's happening with multiple
different aspects of what the Bible could be talking about.
And I think that we need to be open mind,
we need to respect each other, we need to love
each other, and we need to have these conversations rather

(01:38:21):
than I think attack, right, because it seems like like
help me out here, right, because you see it too, right.

Speaker 3 (01:38:30):
Like I just got attacked.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
I think that there is a lot I don't want
us to tear each other apart.

Speaker 1 (01:38:39):
I don't want us.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
I want us to come together and go, hey, dude,
you know, Jesus is the bread of life. You know,
everyone that comes to him will no longer hunger ever again.
You know, let's take this inch by inch. You know
you have something you want to talk about. Let's talk
about it, man, Let's just let's get it on the table.
Let's talk about it, okay. You know, because we're in

(01:39:02):
this world where we're we're we play this mode of
arrogance that we might not sense in a certain way.
I mean, including myself, others, especially Jesse. I'm just kidding,
but but it's my point is is, you know, we
need to have love in certain conversations rather than you know,

(01:39:26):
just I don't know how to explain it, but but
do I really enjoyed that episode. That episode was absolutely banger, folks,
banger episode. Matt comes in with receipts, he comes in
eas he's a steward of the word. I learned from him.
He influences me to want to get into the Word
of God even.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
More and more and more.

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
And that's what we should be doing for each other
as believers. We should be sharpening each other. We should
be trying to influence each other to you know, live
for the Lord each and every day.

Speaker 1 (01:40:02):
Pick up our cross. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:40:03):
Let's let's let's try and be you know, obedient, right,
Like I understand, Like right, you know what we got
into in the beginning of the show, Right, we're we're sealed. Right,
But let's let's live in the freedom of it. Let's
not just live in that. Let's not tarnish that freedom.
Let's let's not disrespect the grace.

Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
But but let's let's try and make God happy every day?
How do we make God happy every day? How's my
kid make me happy every day? She? You know, what
makes me happy is if she listens to me, which
she doesn't do most of the time. But uh, you
know that's where and I learned so much, you know,
just being a father. I learned so much the character

(01:40:48):
and the nature of God and maybe how he sees
certain things, because I think there's an unconditional love at
some point. Man, Because man, you know me, I I've
done some bad things in my life, and I'm like, man,
I do not deserve this at all. I do not
deserve this gift whatsoever. I can't even compute the grace

(01:41:10):
of God.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
I can't. I can, I can.

Speaker 2 (01:41:12):
I can sit here and think about it for hours.
They ain't gonna do nothing. I can't compute it. I
can't figure it out. It's just too much. It's too
much love, man, It's too much love. But I can
see a relation to it with me being a dad
with my daughter, and I appreciate that and I'm glad God,
you know, has given me that gift of some and

(01:41:33):
it's given me some sort of wisdom too, And that's
why it's a part of life, I think, I think
being fruitful and multiplying and you know, having that nuclear
family is a part of this life. This experience. You
get to experience things and see them firsthand that you
may have been ignorant to it, if you know, if

(01:41:53):
if you know you don't have kids, but you know,
and again this is not saying, you know, there's some
people that can't have kids, and I'll, you know, I'll
pray for those people, right but you know, and that's
a tough thing and.

Speaker 3 (01:42:04):
They feel they feel that, you know, you know, what
makes me happiest with my oldest son because my my
youngest is a year old, so he's not even my youngest.
What makes me happy is when they love interacting with me,
when they love just looking me in my eyes and
laughing and going just love spending time with me. Yes,
that's my It's just it's it just melts me. It's

(01:42:27):
my favorite thing, you know, Yep, yep. And so I mean, man,
we got into some some we obviously got an AI.
I love getting into that subject.

Speaker 1 (01:42:37):
It's the.

Speaker 2 (01:42:39):
I mean, it's what we need to be talking about nowadays,
because I think number one, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:42:44):
Not at the door, baby, it's not at the door,
and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
Getting kind of it can get weird in ten years,
it can get weird in five years, to be honest
with you. Once things get to the to the area
of AGI, I think after that, I think that is
maybe I'm trying to I always try and put it
into what grade is this thing in right?

Speaker 1 (01:43:05):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
Is AGI artificial general intelligence? Is this something where we're
just getting into middle school or are we still in kindergarten?
Because it is, then it's very very scary where it's
going to be when it gets to ASI or even
beyond that.

Speaker 3 (01:43:25):
I think everybody thinks in the tech world, they think
that or they feel like they know that we're in kindergarten.
But I have a feeling that just we're we're just
waiting to flip the switch on by building infrastructure for
the senior year or the you.

Speaker 1 (01:43:41):
Know right, or even when quantum computing comes into play.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
And then you got these nuclear uh you know, factories
that are pretty much cooling these systems down able to
do that. And then now now it's it's it's the
greatest snowball effect of all time.

Speaker 3 (01:43:59):
I think they've had it, and I think that they
they've just been waiting to build the infrastructure, and there's
just there's a lot of pushback, and there always has
been because you need a lot of land. You need
a lot of land to build like like the five
hundred billion dollar Stargate project. Project Stargate, you need a
lot of land in Texas to build that. And and

(01:44:20):
you know where you're gonna find that, You're gonna get
a lot of pushback. You're gonna you can't just take it.
It's funny it's in Texas too, because it's like a
central location. You know, it's not on one side or
the other side of the country. It's it's interesting, it's
right there kind of in that mid line, right, So
maybe that I think, you know, the location of it
has a lot to do with something pertaining to what

(01:44:44):
it's capabilities.

Speaker 1 (01:44:46):
Maybe, right, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
You know, we got into other things too, such as
you know that people with in the in the church
that seem to be deconstructing people are leaving the so
called faith if they've ever had the faith. I can't,
and I've only experienced this once in my life, in
my in my walk with God, where I did feel
like I was being tugged in one direction.

Speaker 1 (01:45:13):
To where my faith was on the line.

Speaker 2 (01:45:17):
It's almost like I put my faith on the edge
of the cliff. It was just up to me if
I wanted to push it off. But it's funny because
what Matt talked about, where we may think we can
lose our faith, we may be we may turn away
from our faith and go into something else, but we

(01:45:40):
just don't know exactly what's going to happen until our deathbed,
you know what I'm saying. Until we get to that
point to where we've realized what we've done and we
you know, there's just I think God is in control
of our salvation. And I felt the war in my
heart that was going on. And a lot of this
was either to believe in this new age occultism with

(01:46:03):
aliens and all this stuff, you know, and is what
I believe in my faith with Christ, you know, really real,
and I'm telling you right now, it made my faith
even stronger. Coming to that point.

Speaker 1 (01:46:19):
God let me get there.

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
It's the prodigal sun, right He let me go out
for a second, you know, a season, a little season,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:46:32):
But he let me go out, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:46:36):
Understood where home truly was. And I never left home.
I just went out the door, you know what I'm saying.
I knew where home was, and I came running home.
I didn't need a car, I didn't need a bicycle.
I just had my own will to get to the house.
And that's what exactly happened to me, man, And ever

(01:46:57):
since then, God has been moving in my life and
using me more than I would have ever thought. You know,
who would have known we would have a podcast right now?
Who would have ever known how much work it takes
to run this show, that that I'm not even doing

(01:47:18):
it for myself or for the benefits I'm literally doing
it because I feel God called me to do this
and I'm working for him. And when I work for him,
and he is my master, he is my boss. Dude,
there's nothing I can't do. Like you're gonna try and
stop me.

Speaker 1 (01:47:38):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
You're not even It's not even me that's trying, you
know that has the potential to be stopped.

Speaker 1 (01:47:46):
This is God's will. Baby. You know what I'm saying, Nice,
spare watch out. You know. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
You're gonna have a couple more flat tires in the morning.
I'll say that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
Oh, I know, right, because we've been talking about this too,
where I think I am under a spiritual attack because
of some of the recent things that have been going
on and how things are turning out with the show
and where things are going, and you know, the full
submission to the Lord, right like, like, Lord, I'm here

(01:48:19):
to do your will and use me.

Speaker 1 (01:48:22):
Let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
And it seems like once things have been taken up
to that next notch, a lot of crazy things have
been happening, at least to me in my life. You know,
Jesse probably has had some stuff too, But we and
I'm not looking at these things through like a fleshly
lens anymore. Like, yeah, I had two flats. My tax
return got lost. You know, my house has been trying

(01:48:44):
to get being built for two and a half years.
A lot of bad stuff going on happening to me.
You know, I'm out thousands of dollars for other certain situations,
you know, throughout the span of those two years, thousands
of dollars, folks. And I'm still grinding and I'm still
going hard. But I do think a lot of this
is spiritual attack to me through a through a fleshly lens.

Speaker 3 (01:49:06):
This is just life, right right. Yeah, No, I always had.
I had a conversation with Christian about this the other day.
I go, you know, I don't really think that every
little thing is a spiritual attack, but I because she
was talking about Forest Frank. And by the way, Forest
Frank is a is a Christian artist, a pop artist,
and he just I believe he just passed Drake for

(01:49:29):
the and he has legit music, Like he's not like
this phony Christian artist that just claims to be And
I don't know, but from his music it's it sounds
that way. But he just passed Drake in the YouTube charts,
which is which is interesting. But he broke his back.
He was like, he was caught on his cant on
his ring doorbell and he slipped and broke his spine

(01:49:50):
and it wasn't super bad, but he was stuck in
bed for weeks and he made music while he was
in bed. But I told her, I go, not everything
is a spiritual attack. And I said, you know, if
he had, if he had like hurt his throat or
like he couldn't sing anymore, then I'd say yeah. And
then she reminded me. She's like, well, you know, he's
been touring all over the world and now he can't tour.
And I'm like, that is a good point. So I'm learning.

(01:50:15):
I'm a baby spirit has a little I'm a little
spirit or whatever whatever what's his name said, I can't
even think either. I'm falling asleep over here, Matt Shepherd. Shepherd,
I'm sorry, brother, I'm sorry, man, I'm a baby spirit.

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:50:34):
Yeah, you're drinking the milky. Yeah sure, now I'm just kidding. Now, well,
I'm but doing everything with you guys. I'm drinking milk,
but we're needing.

Speaker 2 (01:50:44):
This is the thing, though, you know, like this is
a part you Everyone starts somewhere, dude, Like everyone's ever
starts somewhere. You know, my journey started sixteen years ago.
It's crazy, it's been sixteen years, but we all start somewhere. Yeah,
you know, there is an establish dates with everything.

Speaker 3 (01:51:02):
Yeah, I got a good strong faith on me though,
So I feel.

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
Though that's where that's the foundation of it, man, that's
the foundation of it, right, And knowledge builds. Knowledge comes
from you know, getting into the scriptures, and then from
the comes you know, wisdom.

Speaker 3 (01:51:17):
We're all getting pulled both ways. I don't care who
you are, or we're getting pulled both ways at one point.
But by that I mean like sin, you know, like.

Speaker 2 (01:51:25):
Well, I think a lot of it too relates to
like the scripture where it talks about you know, there's
two roads. You know, there's one road that's wide and
it goes to destruction, and there's one road that goes
to the truth and it's narrow. But we're at the
crossroads in our lives right like to where we have
to be able to choose who we want to worship,
who we want to believe as our God. And there's

(01:51:49):
only two there's the adversary, the wide path where most
people go, it leads to destruction because that's where Satan,
that's that's his destiny, is destruction for what he did.
And then there's the other path, the narrow path that
goes to the truth, you know. And and I think

(01:52:09):
people are I mean even Joe Rogan. I think Joe
Rogan is Jesus is knocking on the door. Yeah, and uh,
I think he feels it. I think he sees it.
I don't think he sees it as much as we
see it, but I think there's something, there's flags popping up.

Speaker 3 (01:52:28):
Well, he's being pulled. He's being pulled because well he
just stopped drinking. That's interesting, right, But he's being pulled
because that's his industry that he's in. He's in dirty,
you know, comic comes.

Speaker 1 (01:52:39):
With a lot of secular pieces.

Speaker 3 (01:52:41):
Same with same with Tripoli. He you know, he is
more I think towards the faith and more open towards
it than Joe. But that might just be his personality.
But regardless, these guys are in this industry where there
is a lot of uh, you know, debakery, there's a
lot of sin just floating around. And they both both
know this, but at the same time, there are around

(01:53:02):
a lot of people that are total atheists a lot,
and it's a lot like the academia around we were
talking about with Trevor Lohman, and it's just like that's
the culture. And if you walk into a room and
you start talking Jesus, it ain't gonna go well, you're
gonna get roasted in the green room, like unless you know,
really your stuff. And I don't know, it's just you know,

(01:53:22):
it's a part of the culture. So Joe is I
think he's fighting against it in a way because he
doesn't really know.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
He doesn't really believe just yet, you know, I don't
think yeah, because you would obviously.

Speaker 3 (01:53:35):
He talks about the resurrection like it's really hard to believe.
I've heard him bringing up a couple of times it's
really hard to believe, And I agree with him, it
is really hard to believe. It is hard to believe.

Speaker 1 (01:53:44):
But when it happens and a lot of people saw it,
a lot of people died for it, Joe, right, and
that's when you go down in the scripture.

Speaker 2 (01:53:51):
Yeah, Joe, have you read a book about Caesar? Okay,
there's only been a few authors where we've actually gotten
the history of this guy from.

Speaker 1 (01:53:58):
Yeah's true.

Speaker 2 (01:53:59):
Let's look at that actual history of the Book of Acts's,
let's look at the history of the Gospels. Lets look
at the history of Jesus Christ, Let's look at Josephus.
Let's look at all these different things that show you
the validity of what these gentlemen wrote in the Bible
about there their God, who was here in.

Speaker 1 (01:54:17):
The flesh, our God. Like, don't get it twisted, bro.

Speaker 3 (01:54:22):
What you just said happened. You summarize that well? And
I think he needs someone to come in and really
lay it out for him well, like and and let
it be complicated.

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
And I tell you what though, I do think at
some point people just need to hear it as it
as it is. And I take my job into this
kind of consideration where I can't baby anything around you.
For you to to know what's right. You want to
live what's true? Yeah, dude, yeah, you you want to

(01:54:59):
You want to presu and save life. You need to
shut your mouth and you need to listen to this.
And you young guys that come into the job and
you think you've got it all figured out because you've
got hundreds and you got everything over ninety percent in
your class.

Speaker 1 (01:55:13):
Brother, we're in the streets.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
Are in the streets, you're in our classroom, not you
are in someone else's house.

Speaker 1 (01:55:20):
That you do not know right right, And you never
talk to anybody but your friends.

Speaker 3 (01:55:26):
Yeah, guess what, you.

Speaker 2 (01:55:27):
Got to talk to someone you've never seen before in
your life and their life.

Speaker 1 (01:55:30):
May be on the line. What are you gonna do?

Speaker 3 (01:55:33):
That's why I always thought it was funny when people
ask me, did you go to vocational school? Ors you
go to school for plumbing. A lot of you know,
older people have that thought that you got to go
to school for everything. And I'm like, homie, I am
the school. Let me bring you out on the street.
I am the school. Yeah, well I'll do that for you.
And that comes with experience. But yeah, when I you know,
it's the same for all of us. We start somewhere.

(01:55:54):
You got to start somewhere. Just don't be arrogant and
just you can be humble and the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:55:58):
With oh yeah, definitely, Like I'm always learning at my job.
You know what I'm saying. You know, I don't have
it all figured out. There's little there's little things that
I can pick up on. But all right, everybody, if
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