#66. Propaganda Origins| Operation Gladio| Hyperreality Film Making| Project Blue Beam w/ Austin Picard| The Underclass Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Biblical hit Man.
It's your host, Steve and I'm here, baby, We're here.
I got again Austin Wade Picard Back in the house, folks.
Part two. Part one was episode sixty one, I believe
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(00:36):
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and uh but welcome again, brother. Good to have you,

(00:56):
hey man.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Thank you so much, Stephen. You already know I got
enough belove for you, and I enjoyed our conversation the
first time around. It just felt like we hit it
off instantly.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, Oh dude, I mean I mean you came with
I mean a full ammunition. You had rounds of ammunition.
I mean that it was almost like, oh my gosh,
you know, full full on chaos, but I mean you
brought it, man, it was awesome. I learned a lot
too in that episode, and so didn't you know my
audience as well, because brother, there was a lot of
great feedback from that episode. A lot of people checked

(01:29):
you out, and so I I, you know, I'm here
to satisfy the people, satisfy the Lord God, and we
get you on again, baby go. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Brother. You already know I appreciate any opportunity just to
even have like an open minded conversation. And yeah, I
just it was funny because I went on on Friday
with with Doc Brown from Prometheus Lens right, and I
just went full blown. Yeah he's awesome, but I went
full blown and schitzo.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
I love that you call it that. You're like full
blown skitzo. It's like it can kind of come off
like it. But dude, you're on point. Man. Usually the
schizo's you know, are talking about these weird voices in
their head. Trust me, I work with them every third day.
But brother, for the audience, man, the ones that aren't
familiar with your work, they want to show you some
support where can they find your outlets and your content

(02:23):
and all that awesome?

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Man, So the best place to find me is the
Underclass Podcast. It's kind of my you know, obviously, the
original product or just project that I started as far
as my podcast is concerned, and I really like I feel,
I'm still very proud of the name itself. Honestly, as
far as the Underclass, I felt like it perfectly represented
and reflected who I am kind of philosophically and where

(02:48):
my principles lie as far as the power paradigm is concerned,
and my kind of interpretation of and obviously I don't
claim to have all the answers. I'm just very much
attempting to objectively pursue the truth and find these you know, essentially,
I'm trying to answer these the unknowable and unanswerable questions

(03:10):
for myself as much as I possibly can without kind
of falling victim to the very well manufactured misinformation and
propaganda that's that's been clearly laid to misdirect us and
manipulate us into these ideological prisons. You know, they seem
to just sort of corral us into this you know

(03:32):
place psychologically where we're in a you know, unable to
sort of address reality in any real, true terms, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Speaking of propaganda, we had on Brad binkleyde That guy
kind of laid it out too with that. He actually
got me. He made me go buy books, which you
may also made me go get some books as well, dude.
But it was the book Crystallization or Crystallizing Public Opinion, right,
So it's like Edward Burnet's book, which he's kind of
like the godfather of all this propaganda.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Edward Burnees, my god. I think it
was trying to remember which which episode it was that
I quoted Edward Burnet is at the beginning, but it
was essentially just once again you're realizing how how controlled
we have been through the utilization of propaganda in such
a sophisticated level, you know, for generations, right. But but

(04:28):
you know, it's I think it's very interesting as well,
because obviously you have to consider remember I think it
was William Colby, right, who essentially he just basically claimed
that the Central Intelligence Agency owns every one of any
significance in the major media, right, and and that in
itself was just a direct implication of the level of

(04:50):
control that the intelligence apparatus has had over the mainstream media.
For again, this has been long standing, and I I
think it's understanding how far it goes back into print.
You know, if you think about William Randolph Hurst, right
and and how much he was vital and in the
sort of outlaw of HIMP right and and sort of

(05:14):
conflating it to Mexican rapists coming over under the influence
of a Mexican weed known as marijuana, and they would
they were raping white women under the influence of this
this weed, and so therefore it needed to be outlawed.
But in reality, William Randolph Hurst had a major profit

(05:35):
incentive for outlawing HEMP because he was clearly involved in
the paper press industry. And so it's just so fascinating
when you realize, you know that there is a there's
always an additional layer. And if you remember, like there's
a quote of William Randolph first leading up to World
War One or post World War one, I think is

(05:55):
when the quote takes place, but he essentially no, no, no,
it was Lee up because basically this is it was
fascinating to me whenever I did cover it, and essentially
he says. Basically, he just says that. So he sends
down a reporter to uh, South America. I believe it's
in Panama, I can't remember at this time, but either way,

(06:17):
he sends someone down is where when they sunk the main, right,
this the ss USS Main. It's very interesting because uh uh,
there was there was like these propaganda phrases that they
were utilizing and exercising. It was like, uh uh in
order to get involved in the Spanish American War, right,
That's basically what was happening at this time. And essentially

(06:40):
he was providing the publicity in the media a spotlight
to manufacture consent for America's involvement in the Spanish American War. Right.
And this is very interesting because essentially he was uh uh.
It was like, I forget what the phrase was now,
but it was something to do with, you know, uh

(07:03):
like protect the main down with Spain or something like that.
It was it was one of those ridiculous propagandistic terms
that are just you know, they rhyme perfectly, and and
it's easy to to kind of like bake into the
sub conscious mind of the general public. And uh and
once again, it's just a great window into how these
elite individuals who are controlling industry with the hidden hand,

(07:28):
you know perfectly, just as far as just like there's
clearly this this overall what I believe this coexisting, you know,
facet of industry being controlled fully by government to where
you have this sort of crony capitalism playing out, and
it's really just control and controlling the industries at at

(07:49):
a at an extremely high level, and and therefore you
control the outcome. And and so you have so many
different monopolies that exist at this point, you know, it's
just they've kind of been rebranded in the of the
public and you have these modern versions and even like
the Telecommunications Act of ninety six, right. I was just
talking about this on Tuesday and how basically there was

(08:10):
this major media monopoly under Clinton, you know, and and
all I'm seeing is that sort of playing out in
modern time at this very moment with the Paramount merger
with Skydance, which is owned by David Ellison, which is
the son of Larry Ellison, right, which yeah, runs Orale.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Nepotism is real, yo, exactly.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
It's fascinating, man, Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
It's crazy. I mean, that's how things are kind of
kept in secret maybe or just kind of kept under
their control, you know what I mean. So it's like
keeping things loyal to the bloodline. That's why these bloodlines
like to marry into other bloodlines. That's just how it works, man, dude.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
You know, yeah, we talked about that a little bit,
about how how there was a sort of dynastic familial
factor involved in the pedophile now works that have existed
over time, and I think that even reaches as far
back as like, well, I think far far beyond, you know,
beyond World War Two. But I used it as an

(09:09):
example because they had Nazi breeding experiments essentially right stage
to where they were. It's another way to kind of
like in a way disassociate the individuals who were having
the children. I'm not saying that each and every individual
was a complete sociopath who could somehow, you know, separate
themselves from the birth of a child that would then

(09:32):
be utilized in these sadistic experimentations, you know, and things
of that nature, and that was just going to be
their life. They're essentially this, you know. It's an example
of like creating a constant supply of untraceable children. And
that was essentially happening in terms of these Nazi breeding experiments,
and Carrie Thornley was potentially one of these individuals. He

(09:54):
claims he was a member and didn't know his father
his father was a member of the s s UH
and and UH and that basically he said that he
was half brother to Lee Harvey Oswald, who was also
a product of this Nazi breeding experiment, and that he
was raised up in the intelligence apparatus. The reason why

(10:15):
he was a teenager being thrust into the Civil Air
Patrol with David Ferry who's hypnotizing him and sexually abusing him. Right,
It's like, it's no, it makes a lot of sense
as far as like the trauma based mind control aspect
of implementing if you want to create a mentarian candidate.
The sociative identity disorder or multiple personality disorder has always

(10:38):
been a crucial, you know, vital technique in fracturing this.
The the neurological pathways of the brain, they're essentially disrupted
in the fight or flight Uh, You're you're compartmentalizing your abuse,
and so it's a way it's kind of like it's
it's very sad to actually re about these victims, right,

(11:01):
and what they experienced. But a great example is my
wife and I we watched a movie the other night,
and I knew what I was effectively getting myself into
and it was a huge mistake, which is typically what happens, honestly.
But yeah, I mean I think I used eight millimeter

(11:23):
as an example of the last time, right, the Nicholas
Cage movie that came out in nineteen ninety nine, And
he's like a it's like a private investigator, right, and
he gets hired by this old money, this old money
elite family, this widow who just lost her husband who
was like the patriarch, and and she she believed, like

(11:43):
essentially thought the world of him. And then after he dies,
she finds this undeveloped eight millimeter film strip and is
private safe and she she essentially calls this private investigator
with her attorney nearby and has Nicholas Cage, who is
the private investor, get her show up and screen this
this film strip. After he takes the case and agrees

(12:05):
to be a part of it. And and so he
goes into the next room and he screens this film
eight millimeter of the film strip and he's watching this
this girl essentially be bound and sexually abused and then
even worse, violently tortured, and then it escalates and it

(12:26):
turns into a snuff film, right, and and he essentially
recoils physically while he's watching this, and then subsequently tries
to convince himself it wasn't real, right, but that he
would still take the case and he would confirm for
her if it were real or not, and who was
involved and who who was you know, affected, and then

(12:47):
the and then the film plays out, and the plotline
plays out, and you're thrust into this just clandestine, well
established to whisticated pedophile underground that you know their ultimate
goals are the most sinister. Then you know, it's hard

(13:08):
to even conceive of, Like the conceptual outcome of it
is like it changes you, you know what I mean,
and something that yeah, me personally, I just I put
it in the context when I did the Atlanta Child
Murders episode, I said, I called it an underground network
or sinister enterprise, blending together COVID intelligence operations, organized crime,

(13:31):
drug trafficking, arms smuggling, pedophilia, sexual blackmail, and even ritualized
murder used in the systematic production of snuff films. And
I believe personally that the problem of ritual abuse and
mind control has not gone away whatsoever, And it's essentially metastasized,
right And the way I put it in the terms

(13:53):
of was it spread like a disease while fundamentally reshaping
the moral framework of modern society. Feel like the current
permanent establishment that have really constructed this, this modern society that,
you know, this inverted moral landscape that we're all have

(14:14):
been forced to and condition to sort of embrace, whether
we like it or not, whether we're opposed to it
or not. We're in the middle of it. We're in
the midst of it, surrounded by these you know, just
upside down ethical principles, you know, like intended to embrace
them as the new found, you know, systematic moral framework

(14:35):
to write for modern society as if we've learned something,
you know, And in reality, I think we're regressing as
a society in more ways than one.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
You ever said that movie Idiocracy, Oh god, oh dude,
we're heading that way. And I really think that the trauma, right,
that whole trauma, that strategy of using trauma, that trauma
based system to really kind of fracture people's minds to moralize,
you know, destabilize them, then normalize what you have come in,
you know, as far as like with that Higelian dialect, right,

(15:08):
like that solution, that ultimate goal that you want the
people to be corralled into at the end of the day.
And I always use like an example. It's funny. I'd
even talked to my parents about this earlier day because
we were talking about taxes, you know, federal income tax.
And I was like, well, you know when that kind
of got started, right, it was going through the World
War two times. Right, There was a lot of propaganda

(15:30):
to build up the public opinion too, to have them,
you know, be influenced that, oh, man, if if we
start this federal income tax, we're going to win the war.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
The war, We're going to win the war. Right. They
called it the wartime tax. It was supposed to be temporary.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Right, yeah, exactly, it's supposed to be temporary. And then
but they once they and I told my parents it's
like anytime government does something, understand that it's permanent, but
they're gonna come off exactly how like might And this
happened to me in my workspace, you know, at the
fire department. And this happened to me like five years ago.
I walked into the chief's office. He called me in

(16:09):
and goes, hey, what's up to mattis you know, listen,
I'm gonna need you to go to Sea Shift Station
two for only two weeks. And I was like, okay, yeah,
only two weeks. I was there for three years right
after that. And I would hear other guys in the department,
younger guys getting the same saying, Hey, you're only going

(16:31):
there for two weeks. And they were like, oh, yeah, hey,
I'm only going there for two weeks, you know. And
I was like, no, you're not. You're actually going there permanently.
I fell for it four years ago or whatever. Trust me,
this is how it works. And just with that whole
thought of propaganda shaping public opinion, pushing the can down
the road, moving the goalpost deeper, getting them to get

(16:54):
to that end zone, you know, where they want us
to be, They're going to continuously traumatize this, break us down,
and destabilize, you know, our ethical moral kind of compass
of you know, should I question this, should I worry
about you know, what the government's saying, or what's They
don't want you to ask questions. They just they put

(17:16):
such a you know, yeah, they put the wax on
the fruit and the fruit looks nice and shiny, and
you're like, oh, this fruit is fresh. No, it's not fresh.
It's it's actually like, you know, maybe a month old.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
But yeah, yeah, I completely agree, man. But I think
that it's funny that Brad brought up Edward Burnet's because
you know, obviously I love Brad to death. I learned
so much from him.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Over Good Gown. Yeah, I enjoyed doing the show with him.
He gets passionate boy, and I love it. I'm almost like,
I want to throw more gas on the fire. I
know that Mike is about to go go lit. Yeah
that's great.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah, he's so Honestly, he's getting He's really pretty good
at stand up as well, and he's only in proving
you know, so that's that's awesome. Sky's the limit, honestly,
and but yeah, he's he's always been. I remember when
he and Monica Perez were doing the Propaganda Report far
more often, like together under the you know, they're still
under the same umbrella, but they were doing it a

(18:14):
lot more often, like uh, they would collaborate, and it
was just for me during COVID especially, it just really
it helped me. It provided me with this sort of
like life preserver to sanity in a way, and and uh,
you know made me definitely obviously, I was attempting to
educate myself as much as possible throughout that time, you know,

(18:37):
listening to various individuals, even like a Catherine Austin Fitza type,
and you know people of that, a lot of Dell
Big Tree, right, like as far as just the individuals
he would have on you know, his show and and
The high Wire right and and just uh, you know,
I didn't always agree, but it was usually it felt
like the intentions were in the right place, you know,

(18:58):
and and you would have at the very least, it
seemed like you can learn from these various mediums. And
even in RFK Junior, who I believe to be sexually
compromised by the Epstein Network, and.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
I think that I think so too, man, because he's
kind of he's real shady, h you know, And this
is this is the facade that these superheroes kind of
put on, right, And I think one of the coolest
illustrations of this is the show called The Boys. There's
these superheroes that look that they're like to the public,
you know, they're just these great people, but really behind

(19:30):
the scenes, they're not. They're not so good. They're not
so good, you know what I'm saying, actually using their
powers in unethical ways, right, But the public don't know that.
They don't see that because they you know, they manipulate
that through uh you know, the media, right, medium, all
that kind of stuff. But it's crazy, you know, I
think that especially with RFK coming in his his his

(19:52):
specialty is healthcare. You know, now they're merging AI with healthcare.
I saw this with Trump, doctor Oz and RFK the
other day. Well had to be maybe a week and
a half ago, but you know, they're merging digital identity
and they're just digitizing everything. And I really think, you know,
there's pros with it, obviously, but you know, no one's

(20:14):
asking about the no one's asking the right questions. No
one's asking, hey, what's the outcome of all this with
my Fourth Amendment? Right right? Like with my privacy. I know,
I'll go see it. I'll see it be able to
get in to see a doctor within six minutes. But
you know, what's this do with my personal health information?
People aren't asking the right questions.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
No, the dystopian digital you know, he healthscape, which is
really just as far as like the healthcare system itself.
You know, I think that that that is the goal
as far as just every level of industry itself being
kind of implemented in this current moment into the technocratic vision.
And I think that you're just witnessing like the dystopian

(20:57):
mass surveillance systems being set up utilizing AI and and
effectively you're going to have these sort of like minority
report you know what's it called when when you're uh
policing what's the term where effectively they're essentially predictive policing.

(21:19):
That's it. Yeah, And it's legitimately insane to consider the
the consequential outcome of such a policy, right and and uh.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Just forbid, you say a joke or something and then
they I robots like I think he wants to kill
this guy, And oh dude, that was like a that
was just a saying, you know, I was just exactly.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
We get strikes on on YouTube all the time for
already dead just because they claim that the name itself
is suggesting uh uh, you know, influencing people to you know,
embrace suicidal tendencies. It's like, what like, clearly you know this,
this is the actual recurring name of the show itself,
you know. And and but the AI algorithm can you know,

(22:02):
doesn't have the ability to distinguish between the two, or
it's programmed not to care, and and you know, doesn't
really matter what's you know, honestly, what's worse at this
point because effectively the same outcome as being achieved. And
so that, in my mind is the the sort of
you know, this is the self serving nature of the

(22:23):
state itself in general. Right, and you see so many
of these as you mentioned, right the federal income tax
and in the temporary wartime tax. I mean, how many
different times can we point to throughout history where that
is the case. And they've just been laying out these
precedent setting operations, utilizing these networks, you know, these Cleindestine
networks and domestically to achieve their goals, I think, always

(22:48):
pursuing the strategy of tension under the you know, Operation
Gladio umbrella, which really to me.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
So talk to me about that.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
So Operation Gladio was essentially the state behind networks post
World War Two that we're supposed to effectively handle the
communist threat that was that was you know, being posed
at the time. So essentially it would the goal was
to on the ground operationally, to essentially achieve this strategy
of tension, which was we're talking domestic bombings using paramilitary organizations,

(23:22):
Neo Nazi groups, various factions of at the time. Of course,
like in there, there were various aspects of Gladio. It
was named after this ancient Italian sword, I believe if
I remember correctly. It's very interesting where it comes from.
But Paul Williams wrote he wrote a book called The

(23:42):
Unholy Alliance, and let me pull up the full title,
because I honestly, I think it's one of the most
one of the most interesting, you know, as far as
just the name itself of the book is very revealing,
and I think it's worthwhile for people to take a
look at at at Paul Williams work, because again it's
not the end all be all of Operation Gladio, but

(24:04):
it definitely provides a great starting point for people who
aren't aware of a lot of the you know, just
crucial details and also the connections involved. And yeah, so
Operation Gladio. It's World War two, the CIA, the mafia
and the Vatican, right, But if you look at the

(24:26):
actual title of the book, the Unholy Alliance between the Vatican,
the CIA, and the Mafia, Operation Gladio, and that in itself,
I think is very very telling, right, because you think
about those entities and what they represent, right, and how
the Vatican essentially there was an alliance that formed post

(24:46):
World War Two between the Vatican, the CIA, and the
organized crime syndicates involved with sort of laying the groundwork
for a lot of this. And so me personally, I
think that this created a sort of underground international, sort

(25:06):
of clandestine network that seemingly, you know, provides this sort
of ability to one it provides plausible deniability because it
allows this, first of all, you can circumvent any sort
of nation state or governmental administration. You kind of insulate
yourself from any further accountability whatsoever, because you're engaging in

(25:28):
black operations internationally worldwide with this well established, sophisticated network.
And so I believe that the stay behind armies to
allegedly contend with the communists, the rising Communist threat, were
truly just they never essentially, yes, some of them, as
they were exposed, they were eradicated, or you know, individuals

(25:52):
were prioritized and targeted or or whatever the case may be.
But the playbook and the systematic nature of what gladiol
represents never ended, the same as Operation Mockingbird and Operation
MK Ultra and these various clandestine operations covert ops that
they didn't never effectively end after the Right the Church

(26:14):
Committee hearings in seventies, in the early seventies and mid seventies,
and and you know, as we mentioned, I think in
the prior episode Richard Helms was the director of the
CIA at the time. He ordered the destruction of thousands
of mk ulture files at that time. So if you
consider the impact and the effect of Right, first of all,
the information that already has been publicly available since that

(26:36):
time has already been incredibly damning. If you consider that,
and also contend with the fact that obviously you would
imagine they would have prioritized the far more you know,
compromising documents as being the you know, just the priority
documents to destroy. And so I think that it's almost
like a library of Alexandria Moment of no Return where

(27:00):
we will never understand, We'll never know what we don't know.
And and essentially, yeah, they covered their tracks. And and
I think understanding with so many different people who are
affiliated with the intelligence apparatus and how they function and
what they they truly believe happened, is that during this
time they effectively started to create out of whole cloth

(27:22):
a cult organizations, satanic groups, uh, various various organizations in
the private sector for plausible deniability to run these covert operations, uh,
you know, insulated from any sort of government over you know, oversight.
And I think that's a major conflict in just in
terms of, you know, the free will of the domestic

(27:44):
population of the US, you know, let alone like you know,
the manipulative aspect of of what social engineering and you know,
the legitimate level of mind control and techniques that they
are utilizing on a daily basis, and now they're implementing
it upon the mass public. And I think that has

(28:06):
been a longstanding you know agenda as well. It's nothing new,
you know.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
I almost think like there's the man. People might think
I'm crazy when I say this, but I'm crazy, so
it's okay. But I almost feel like there's a global
mk ultra agenda in some way, shape or form. Right,
It's almost like that, you know, they started off doing
it with with brainwashing people with either you know, videos

(28:31):
or sounds, drugs. Then they got the occult into it.
Then they got like this weird kind of witchcraft thing
going on into it, and then now do you think
it's possible that well, what I think is, I think
it's possible that they're coming up with some form of technology,
some form of technology where it'll somehow be a part

(28:56):
of human biology at some point, and there's no way
around it, because in order to function in society, you've
got to probably you know, accept this thing, right, just
like we've seen in the past. But it's almost like
once this technology becomes normalized in society, now there there's

(29:16):
just a they need to send the right signal to it,
and now they can kind of just snap their fingers
and then maybe maybe take the driver's seat of someone's consciousness.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Right, That makes I'm legitimately I got to the points
where I began to question, like they legitimately are are
are able to allegedly sub you know, subliminal They can
program you with subliminals as.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
You're asleep right the video in a way.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Utilizing these you know, e. M F electromagnetic frequencies or
or even the ELF the lower frequencies as well. But
I take it back to you know, it's very strange
because Mike, Lieutenant Colonel Michael Lochino, who's obviously a satanic pedophile,
sadistic pedophile, who you know, was allegedly in charge of

(30:10):
Project Monarch and one of the key operatives on who
was helping facilitate and run that operation of trauma based
mind control. And if you listen to Paul Banassi, one
of the victim witnesses of the Franklin scandal, who was
directly involved with Lawrence E. King who was running the
Franklin Credit Union in Omaha, Nebraska at the time and

(30:32):
was busted right And essentially Lawrence E. King, who was
running that embezzlement scandal through the Franklin Credit Union, he
was a stadistic pedophile as well, and he had been essentially.
It's very interesting because he had political connections to George
Bush Senior and was legitimately sang the national anthem at
the nineteen eighty four Republican National Convention. It's crazy, but

(30:56):
he so he was he ever since the Franklin's as well,
and he was exposed as being a legitimate pedophile and
he now he's still out and uh, and he's been
pursuing attempting to infiltrate childcare organizations and was even affiliated
with the Washington Redskins ownership committee before they were forced
to sell the team. And yeah, and and uh at

(31:18):
a level where he would.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Be everywhere there everywhere, and but.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
It was at a level where he would be uh
granted access to children, right and and uh, and that
in itself is just like, man, you see this, this
how how these individuals function, these psychopathic pedophiles. They never
cease the pursuit of these you know, these positions of
power that will you know, surround them with with easy

(31:44):
opportunities to to you know, abuse children, and and at
the very least have the opportunity. And and I mean,
thank god for somebody like Nick Bryant who wrote the
Franklin scandal, and and he himself like has you know,
very very much been on the case and following around
individuals like Lawrence King and kind of blowing the whistle

(32:06):
whenever he does find himself in these strange positions and
and thank God for people like that, because I'll tell you, man,
there's there's a there's a part of his book right
that was stuck stuck with me forever. And whenever we
actually interviewed him and he came on already dead, it
was one of the greatest moments of my life. Honestly,
Like it was very inspirational for me personally because I

(32:30):
learned so much from him over the years, and and
so for me it was again it was it was
something that just like when when I had the opportunity
to kind of pick his brain, it just I feel
like it's he's one of the individuals out there who
are at the very least concerning themselves with the plight

(32:52):
of the most vulnerable among us, who have no protectors.
And and clearly you think of these childcare organizations, these
orphanage is they have no there's no layer of defense,
you know, like these are these children are like priority targets,
you know, And and there's Yeah, I spoke on the

(33:13):
Franklin scandal, as I said, it exposes our cognitive dissonance, right,
forcing us to grapple with the psychological consequences of a
corrupt system designed to protect prolific predators and the elite
strata of society who have strategically forged political connections and
media influence, and what Nick Bryant claims and writes in

(33:37):
his book Right the Franklin Scandal, a story of power brokers,
child abuse, and betrayal. He says, I wasn't so much
anguished by the threats and intimidation I endured delving into
the arcane mysteries of this universe, but rather by the
realization of its very existence, a universe that encompasses the

(33:59):
refer find industrial destruction of children and its cover up
by the very state and federal authorities who have pledged
to protect children from the depravity of evil men. The
children and our society as a whole have been betrayed.
And like the moment I read that, it resonated with me,

(34:25):
like for years to come. Obviously, like to this very moment,
I can't seem to resist, like falling down these rabbit
holes of investigation and just attempting to discover and expose
and put a spotlight into the darkness, you know, as
much as I possibly can, and attempt to bridge the

(34:45):
gap where it's People view this as conspiratorial it's far
more credible than you would ever want to imagine. And
once you find that out for yourself, the vulnerability, you know,
the veil of vulnerable ability falls to the wayside, and
you no longer have any sort of just ability to
justify this sort of choice of I would rather not know.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
You know, it's like right, right, I mean, you know
it's crazy, right. The CIA kind of came up with
that term conspiracy theorist right, and it's really the term.
Now if someone if you talk about something that is true, right,
and you're like, hey, there's a conspiracy behind this, right,
they hear the word now, just conspiracy, and they just

(35:33):
immediately discredit everything that you're talking about. They don't even
pay attention, and they look at you in this image
that you know, propaganda has kind of formed in some
sort of way to where you're like a clown exactly right,
And when you have people saying things like this, like
you quoted, and there's so many other things, right, I

(35:55):
mean even JFK Right was a three or four or
five months before he got he was talking about you know,
secret societies, you know, and especially these these elite groups
in these high places that are in the shadows that
are kind of manipulating and controlling things with unlimited power

(36:16):
in some sort of way. It's a real thing. But man,
I don't really I think it's a bad spot to
be a conspiracy theorist in our day. But I think
we're making a comeback, right. It's almost like you know,
old shoes or an old clothing style that kind of
comes back. Man, we're bringing it back. Maybe.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Oh yeah, absolutely, I've been embracing it personally. I think
it's the way forward, Like you have to these sort
of taboos that they attempt to leverage and exploit to
to as a tool to kind of undermine any sort
of the credibility that we might possess. Like I think
that is that is the game of the pejorative manufactured too,

(36:59):
you know, for that very purpose. And I always point
back to I remember it was during my JFK episodes
that I did like a it was very early on
and I did a part one and two and essentially
I covered that that nineteen sixty seven Foya, this crazy
Foya request and from nineteen seventy six that The New

(37:20):
York Times uncovered, right, and basically there's this internal document
and is published within the CIA in sixty seven, and
the title of this document was countering criticism of the
Warren Report, and it provided clear concerns as well as
recommended actions in order to discredit the critics of the

(37:40):
official reports findings in regard to the Kennedy assassination. And
so in this memo is when the term itself was created,
and they resort to using the term conspiracy theories as
a pejorative right. And this was created to undermine and
dismiss any criticism of the official narrative, including quote conspiracy

(38:02):
theories have frequently thrown suspicion on our organization. The CIA
internal document says, for example, by falsely alleging that Lee
Harvey Oswald worked for US, we do not recommend that
discussion of the assassination question be initiated where it is
not already taking place, is dude. This was spread not

(38:23):
only internally, it was it was given to members of
the media who were obviously involved in Operation Mockingbird, whether
they were primary assets that were being utilized as tools
by the agency or whether they were actual on the
ground operatives who have infiltrated the media publications themselves. They
were being given these seat of instructions, and it says

(38:46):
we do not recommend right the discussion being of the
assassination question being initiated where not already has been taking place.
Where discussion is active, however, addresses are requested a discuss
the publicity problem with liaison and friendly elite contacts, especially
politicians and editors, urge them to use their influence b

(39:11):
to employ propaganda assets. Book reviews and feature articles are
particularly appropriate for this purpose. This is the internal memo
that that you know obviously provides us with the smoking gun,
unequivocally proving that the CIA purposely popularized the term conspiracy
theorists in order to facilitate a cover up in the

(39:34):
JFK assassination and deceptively discredit anyone who questioned the official
line as a communist sympathizer who might as well be
Lee Harvey Oswald. Isn't that amazing?

Speaker 1 (39:47):
I know, Dudelly, I if I was to live back
in those ib A.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Comedy That's why. I mean, probably as far as it's
just kind of hilarious once you realize, especially you watch
the the Yury Besmanov four Stages of Ideological Subversion and
you realized measures right, Yeah, yeah, cultural Marxism, you know,
in so many ways. And by the way, that brings

(40:12):
us back to Edward Burne's because when I covered the
cultural Marxism episode that I did, I began with this
as far as Edward Burne's being the nephew of Sigmund
Freud obviously, which people need to understand. Sigmund Freud. Dude.
He's run around in Vienna in the early nineteen hundreds
with Adolf Hitler and Trotsky and there, and they're going

(40:36):
to the same clubs and allegedly attending the Tavistok Institute
at the time where they were being hypnotized, and there
was a psychiatrist who hypnotized Adolf Hitler and apparently he heard
a voice, he heard a voice that he had answered
to called Providence. And it's one of the most it's
one of the most crazy stories because it turns out

(40:58):
that this this psychiatrist practiced is was raided and he
was then killed as soon as the Germans and entered
back into the the area. It's so crazy how it
all turned out, because essentially isn't all the records his
psychiatry records were all destroyed, but allegedly he after this
this I believe it was a mustard gas attack that

(41:21):
Hitler had had experienced during World War One, and uh,
and so he effectively post World War One, he's in Vienna,
and and apparently there's a lot of different claims saying
that he was also a mind controlled male prostitute at
the time and that even yeahge oh, it's crazy Bridget Hitler,

(41:43):
who's who's uh like the memoirs of Bridget Hitler is
a it's a very interesting, uh story. But but she
claims that he had these mind control manuals given to
him from Tavistock and that he was essentially had been
hypnotized and been given the sort of set of instructions
that he was memorizing, which I found very interesting when

(42:05):
he allegedly just showed up at her residence at one
point unannounced. And it's one of the craziest stories ever.
Again I'm telling you, like when you find out that
Hitler was was being guided by this voice, which he
referred to as providence. This is by his own account,
and he says, unless I have the incorruptible condition, I

(42:28):
do nothing, not even if the whole party tried to
drive me to action, I will not act. I will
wait no matter what happens. But if the voice speaks,
then I know the time has come to act. And
this is just one of the other uh uh, you know,
what do you.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
What do you think the voice is.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Now?

Speaker 2 (42:48):
It could be a number of things. I think there
could be a spiritual connotation to monarch and the dissociative
nature of you know, multiple personality disorder. But also I
think if you're career eating some sort of Manchurian asset
that you would hope to just put into it the
proper place, you know, obviously utilize pharmaceuticals to inevitably create

(43:11):
this sort of you know, he already sort of had
this skill set very much that what the tool society was.
It appealed to them and and they believed that they
could they could sort of thrust him into position and
he would be become the the Aryan Jesus. The Aryan
Christ is the figure that they were hoping to to

(43:32):
h It wasn't quite the uber Minch, but it was
to lead to you know, that that sort of outcome
right and and re establish the Germanic people to their glory,
you know. And it was very very interesting how they
I think it was a massive exploitation as well.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
But yeah, dude, picture this. This is a kind of
a conclusion. I just I just got.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
So.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
You see what happened with Hitler, right, There was there
was trauma that took place, right, They lost World War One,
they went bankrupt, There was a lot of terrible things
that happened to the country, right, and then there was
this rebuilding process. There was coming up as this person
who was speaking great things, you know, telling everyone what
they wanted to hear. And you know, the people could

(44:15):
have been so traumatized in a way, they could have
been demoralized to where they didn't really care what he
was saying or what his agenda was. But you know,
they rather care about rebuilding. And they couldn't really understand.
They couldn't necessarily distinct what was a good or bad,
true or false, right, They just went with their emotions.
And look at where we're at now. And again, folks,

(44:37):
I'm going to take a little trump stab at some
of the audience. You know that that are Trumpers. I'm
stabbing real quick. Okay, just forgive me, but don't It's
all good. So what do we have? Right? We had
four years of absolute chaos. It was absolutely terrible. It
was emotionally, you know, destabilizing, and people did not really

(44:59):
care who was to come in office. It was just
someone else than that political party. Right, And so now
we have Trump kind of come in into office, and
what do we see. I see, personally, I see a
lot of bad things going on. It's just my opinion.
But we've got you know, five hundred billion dollar budgeted
Project Stargate. We've got Palenteer coming up, you know, defense

(45:21):
contracting with you know, the United States and you know,
the Israeli defense. We've also got a lot of World
War three things that are kind of going on, even
though that was kind of taking place, you know, within
the past four or five years. But what we what
else we have is you know, we've got the Genesis Act, right,
got past got signed into into legislation. And the terrible

(45:44):
thing with that that I kind of view is that
we're gonna get away from a tangible money system, like
we're gonna get away from a fiat currency, and we're
gonna be ushered into a digital based currency financial system.
And I personally think that there's a lot of things
government can do, can stronghold, you know, with that concept.

(46:08):
There's a lot of good things with it, don't get
me wrong, right, but there's always like a good caught backup.
So but what I see is that I see another guy.
You know, he comes in speaking all these great things
to you know, a nation that was in need of
this hero, and he fit the part perfectly. So it's
kind of like almost a reflecting image.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
But yeah, it's it's to me, it's it's a manufactured
false prophecy in a certain way. And I think that
this is what is being Look, if you're considering the
exploitation of the general public, would you not want to
at every level and insert yourself to manipulate every single

(46:51):
level of the populace to wherever they reside on the
political spectrum, wherever they fall ideologically, you would want to
have a position as that's in place to clearly disrupt
and manipulate and misdirect those individuals psychologically within the context
of the ideology they embrace, to hopefully push them in
the direction where you can manufacture consent for the very

(47:14):
same agenda at play. And I think that's where you
you run this risk, right that that very much I
think we're witnessing at this very moment, which is just
in terms of the current administration. You know, if you're
if you're if you're relying upon a politician to come
and save you, I think you've missed the boat at
a certain level. And I think that that it's at
a certain point you have to you have to rid

(47:36):
yourself from that naive, childish you know notion that And
I'm not trying to to insult anyone. I'm saying this
is how I personally feel. You have all the right
in the world to disagree. I just I feel, and
this is not a black pill. I think I'm only
attempting to interpret the power paradigm how it functions the
individuals involved, you know, the usual suspects surrounding the puppet,

(48:00):
as far as the political puppets that have been thrust
into power, they are, you know, clearly in the most
convenient way, achieving what's right the prior administration could never
have hoped to achieve. And then the future administration right
that will follow Trump, just this current administration, they will

(48:23):
then move the goalposts even further and we will head
in that very same dystopian direction. But the problem is
you have these justifications in place that are being laid
as traps to get to really drag you back into
the same system to where you continue to facilitate this
current power structure, and it is how you entirely eradicate

(48:46):
a revolutionary class. There's no longer any sort of real
threat that we pose to the you know, just as
far as the I think that clearly they have to
utilize the deceptive tactics. So obviously there's an a effect
we have. But at the same time, it's like, in
large part, you know, I feel like we are so
fractured in in in ways to where we're we've been

(49:10):
fractured off into these subgroups very strategically. And now if
you've if you've realized as far as just me personally,
I try and draw upon my personal reference points and
what I know to be the case just as far
as my own lived experience, and that is that my
entire family, I mean, is being disrupted in many ways,

(49:31):
and as far as the familial dynamic and in place
that we should all remind ourselves, you know, we should
consider just the best interest of the individuals that we
love most in life and and and obviously concern ourselves
with with prioritizing, you know, the protection and defense of

(49:53):
that sort of network that directly affects us that we
have a directive impact on. And and uh, and I
think if if we lose sight of that which so
many of us have, and I think that's the nature
of this currently structured system, is to basically you have
people who would rather defend and you know, sort of

(50:13):
defend perfect strangers who clearly are pursuing you know, the yeah, yeah,
Like obviously what they have in mind in terms of
what they hope to achieve is the polar opposite of
your best interest. And I think that at a certain
level we all need to come to terms with that reality,

(50:34):
and once we do, then we might be able to
move forward in a way. It's where I just said
this on Tuesday as well. It's like this similar kind
of It's something that I'm beginning to realize is that
and I knew this for quite some time, but it's
the reason I reject collectivism as a sort of philosophy.
I think it's the poison pill. I think the only
way that you can rise to the occasion and sort

(50:56):
of have a positive impact and really a net positive
impact on society at large is to focus and prioritize
the individual aspect of what you can control, and only
then can you sort of find yourself in a position
where you can become a net positive in a certain way.
But that is it. I think, like personally, I'm just

(51:18):
under the impression that so much of what we've been
you know, conditioned to embrace and believe is clearly just
like it's a sophisticated measure in place to obviously corral
us back into that permanent system. And that in itself
is why I try and reject at every level, you know,
so much of the propaganda and this information that I'm

(51:39):
that I'm witnessing just throughout this media cycle, and it's
never ending, right, And the demoralization campaign is I mean
just it's in effect and an honestly psychological warfare. It's
like what have we sort of coined this this current environment?
It's like syop season, right, And it really does feel

(52:03):
like that is honestly what's taking place, is that there
are really the psychological operations just being implemented at every
layer of our current you know, experience.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
I'll tell you what, man, Ever since I've you know,
really just taken this podcast super serious, right, because when
it comes to taking this very seriously, there's a lot
of content that's got to be done. There's a lot
of work that's got to be done. And what it
has naturally done has taken me away from just being
on my phone like I used to be, right, like

(52:37):
like just scrolling through content, you know, or social media's whatever.
You know, I've I've kind of detached or lost the
want to be on my phone. And I tell you what,
it's just just that little bit. It has changed my perspective,
you know, It's impacted my perspective incredibly, Like I almost

(53:01):
I read books now I don't. I don't necessarily care
what is out there in the media because I look
at it like a newspaper, you know, I look at
it like the modern newspaper. And it's I believe it's
really trying to shape my perspective and and and my thoughts.
You know. It's funny because I was talking to a
guy at work and I told him this concept and

(53:25):
he came back with this thought and he said, you
know what, I think you're right because I watched a
few videos on TikTok earlier today and He's like, I
swear it persuaded me to think this, think strongly in
this certain idea, right, right, And I was like aha,
and he's like, oh man, and I was, and we

(53:48):
just kind of like, you know, like chest bumped, right,
We were like, yeah, you know, but screw papaganda.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
Right.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
But it's a real thing. Just imagine and we're adults, right,
our brains are developed more than the younger generations. Just
imagine the generation the young youth, right, the youth that
is coming up through this this era where man, I
think they're just I mean they're sitting docs, dude, right,
for sitting.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Docks one hundred percent, and and it's it's definitely to me,
it's a struggle. Just I couldn't even imagine trying to
wade through the environment at certain especially like I see
even friends that are my own age that are still
single and in the current environment as far as just
the you know, the social aspect of engaging with the

(54:35):
opposite sex is like it's been so skewed and disrupted,
and then expectations are so like I think they're just
they've been extraordinarily you know. Again, it's to me, it's
by design because the attempt is to sort of disrupt
society at large as well, and I think that that's
effectively taking place. But to see how much there's been

(54:56):
this sort of like major divide the it has been
facilitated in the terms of just this sort of like
gender dynamic at play, you know, and relationship dynamics as well,
and how much it's definitely I think so much of
it has been an attempt to prioritize the destruction of

(55:19):
the nuclear family in certain ways, right because obviously it
provides you with this sort of foundation, this strong foundation
you can rely upon. That I myself, you know, I
really credit my parents for my entire personal path, honestly,
because not as if you know, and I'm not taking

(55:40):
shots at them whatsoever, but I'm not saying that they were,
you know, hyper aware of everything and actively you know,
consciously understanding propaganda or not even like engaging in the
political system. But they were at the very least they
had a strong ethical foundation and moral values in place
that they provided to me personally from a very young age,

(56:02):
from since I can remember that, I think gave me
an advantage and I will forever be grateful for that.
And and you know, I think that that's missing in
so many of these sort of you know, current familial dynamics,
and and that is another reason why you're having so
much of this sort of just just again, you're seeing

(56:24):
a society that is very much i think, destabilized psychologically.
And it's almost as if we are all in this
sort of framework of a sort of one nation under
Stockholm syndrome where we're sort of like taking the side
of of our political captors, you know, like and and
at a certain extent, we would rather protect a perfect

(56:47):
stranger with you know that at this point, it feels
like it's really become a choose your own pedophile simulation,
and you know, it's it's honestly absurd, you know. And
and if you consider, and again I'm not trying to
target Trump, you know, and go out of my way
to kind of like you know, prioritize a certain you know,

(57:07):
political party, But all I will say is that, you know,
from day one, I believed the current administration was just
one example of like putting individuals compromised by the Epstein
network in charge of Epstein disclosure. And essentially it's far
more sophisticated and complicated than that. And that's just a
definitely an oversimplification because in reality, if you look at

(57:30):
who his mentor was, Trump's mentor, he has connections directly
to obviously Roy Cone. Where's my roy Cone? Roy Cone
sexually abused and raped Richard Kerr from the Concora Boys Home.
This is all a fact. He legitimately was in charge
of human compromise and had sexual blackmail parties and right
in his residence that tied in the son of Sam

(57:53):
David Berkwitz in the processed Church of the Final Judgment.
When you find out that fact, I'll tell you hold
on this because this is one of the craziest notes
of all time. And once you discover because I did
an entire chapter in my can Core uh the can
Corus scandal episode that I covered on roy Cone specifically,
and because he connects to the Anglo Irish vice ring

(58:16):
and Lord mount Batten and the mount Batten dossier and
oh my god, like this, I'm telling you, like you
have alpha Freemasonic lodges that are disrupting Northern Ireland, creating
a civil war utilizing these these uh these essentially it
was the I six M I five was involved. Clearly
you had British intelligence, Western intelligence involved at a certain

(58:38):
level as well. They wanted to destabilize Ireland and sort
of rule over the Ashes and a certain extent, this
was much of these nation building programs in foreign policy,
you know, just pursuits it is. It is typically the case.
I mean, you look at Ukraine right now. Literally, Ukraine
has become the hub of human trafficking in the world

(58:59):
since the sort of like failed state that it has
become since the you know, provoked invasion. And then obviously
at least that's my personal opinion just knowing the history
of the conflict itself. I mean, I know this is
a longstanding, uh, you know, conflict, and I honestly personally
I know that I'm talking way too fast, probably, but

(59:20):
I need to calm down. This is my whole call. Honestly.
I have like a mantra and I sort of before
every single episode in or interview that I do, I
pray for certain things, you know, essentially, and one of
those things have now become let me be calm, Like,

(59:41):
help me stay calm and just enjoy the conversation and
not try.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
My family says the same thing when because when I
talk to them, it's completely different than how I am
on a camera. I will tell you that right now, folks,
it is like on a whole other level. But I
gotta get it out somehow, right, you gotta get it.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Out, honestly, Buddy good That's how I feel. It's like, really,
I have to slow down because there's you can't talk
about everything you would hope to and you know in
any given conversation, so you have to and for the
sake of the audience, just you know, I personally am
trying to make it far more palatable. But at the

(01:00:17):
same time, I'm just like I get off and running
it at certain times and it's a little bit difficult
and rain myself in, so I have to remind myself.
But anyway, So I was just what was I just
discussing before I cut myself off.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Do you remember, oh man not?

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Did it really matters?

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
I think you were getting into like the Epstein stuff, right,
you were getting into Oh goodness, Oh I got pulled
in emotionally. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
I never I never discussed I brought up the movie
that I'd watched, but I never discussed it because I
just brought up eight Millimeter again and in reality, we
So that was just one of the films that I
had I had in the past year or something that
had a real impact on me, And I think like
the concept of what it introduces to just through pop culture,

(01:01:09):
the influence itself introducing the concept to the just average person,
I think is very important. And that was obviously the
concept that clearly we've been kind of conditioned to believe,
and I think it's been a manufacturing misconception as far
as like snuff films being labeled as an urban myth
to a certain extent, right, which we are very clearly

(01:01:31):
that that's not the case. But the point being is
that through pop culture it can become this sort of
like very valuable vessel and tool for introducing individuals who
would not necessarily now it can also achieve the right
that it can become a deterrent at a certain level

(01:01:51):
as well. But at the same time, I do believe
that that at there's something very important about being able
to introduce these concepts to the average person. And so
blink twice is a modern example of kind of you know, uh,
something that I find to be a valuable concept being

(01:02:12):
introduced to the public, but in this underhanded way, right,
And that's just the part for the course. At this point,
you know, I feel like almost nothing is unaffected any
longer in terms of Hollywood, and these production studios are
are are involved in the final say of these uh
you know, the final form of so many of these
films at this point. And so but I will say now,

(01:02:36):
Zoe Kravitz allegedly film was this was her directorial debut.
Now I personally believe that like three other people held
her hand throughout the process. Obviously, not that it matters,
but because there were like four directors total. But either way,
the concept is very important. I thought it was interesting

(01:02:56):
and it essentially it's about induced amnesia, right, and it
reminded me also of this this first of all, the
Devil's breath and scopolamine, right, which this is very interesting,
especially how it's utilized in the concept of criminal cases,
specifically in South America. In the UK, it's used very

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often annually, like it's kind of strange, but anyway, it's
there's this crazy clip that's been recirculating online of this
Mexican supermodel by the name of Gabriella Rico Yeminez, and
she's like twenty one years old right at the time,
and she was she vanished right after this two thousand

(01:03:38):
and nine public outbursts against several prominent figures, and one
of them being like this major I forget what his position,
but either way, we'll pull it up here in a second,
because it's very interesting, especially considering that she just vanishes
after she has this outburst and the claims that she
was making.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
It's just about they're eating the eating the people, yeah right, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
The cannibalistic claims that she was making about these elite
individuals that are very prominent, especially one of them that
she named. And then there was like a I believe
he was I believe he was an attorney. I'll pull
it up in just a moment. But the devil's breath
to kind of introduce this idea is capolamine, right, and

(01:04:25):
it's again it reminds me of Blink Twice, this sort
of idea of induced amnesia. And in the movie Blink Twice,
they used this as far as inducing amnesia through this perfume, right,
And it reminded me very much of the psychopath machine.
Example of a case that I covered from the Oak
Ridge facility in Canada, and it was really a part

(01:04:49):
of the Montreal experiments. And it's very fascinating because it
seems like they the psychopath machine is really the perfect
way to put it right, like they were manufacturing psychopaths.
But not only that, not only were they attempting to
manufacture psychopaths out of whole cloth, they were getting individual
just sort of like test subjects, experimental test subjects that

(01:05:13):
fit a certain profile that they were just sort of
leveraging to their benefit. Whether they would prefer individuals who
didn't really have a family to check in on their
well being, and then they would prioritize kind of targeting
them in the criminal justice system in Canada, and at
the time, they were just kind of targeting hippies at

(01:05:33):
certain levels where it would be individuals caught with like
a tab of LSD and the criminal charge was so
absurd that they would be given an ultimatum, right that basically,
you can you know, serve out this major sentence for
this LSD charge, or you can claim that you're essentially

(01:05:54):
criminally insane and you can then become You're promised these
individual authorities that you could have a sort of way
out if you proved that you were functional and could
be introduced back into society and in a way, but
then there was not a real timetable, so it was
it was essentially you know, at their own at.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
The Behaud saying like a get out of jail free car.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Yeah, it was presented as that for these young kids,
like specifically Steve Smith was the example I'm using. He
was like fresh eighteen. He's just you know, essentially homeless,
trying to travel all the way across Canada at the
time with a buddy, and it's during the winter, and
the winters are extremely harsh obviously in Canada, especially where

(01:06:41):
he was attempting to travel at the time, and he
basically breaks into a car one night because he didn't
want to he didn't want to freeze to death. And
so he breaks into a car and he falls asleep
in the back seat and he's woken up by the
police and basically he he freaks out and decides to

(01:07:02):
take the tab of acid that he had in his
pocket so he would he would not catch a legitimate,
you know, fellony charge. And yeah, he so once he
does this, he then starts tripping at you know, he's
tripping balls on acid for the first time in his life,
and it was like a heroic dose at the time,
and he had just been given this tab like from

(01:07:25):
a buddy and they were gonna save it for when
they were at the beach and they've made their trip
all the way to the coast, and and so then
he starts obviously acting completely out of character because he's
he's tripping on acid and dropping acid while in custody.
Imagine that, right, your first time ever, you're eighteen years old,

(01:07:48):
you're in custody and you're dropping acid and for the
first time ever while you're in custody. That would be
such a terrible experience. But isn't that fascinating? I know, dude, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
The judge like hits the mallet or whatever it's called,
you know, and it's like a four hammer shooting lightning
out and you're like, oh gosh, dude, I can't answer
a question.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Seriously, honestly, it's one of the craziest stories ever. But
it really blew my mind because doctor Barker was was, uh,
he's he's the main sort of perpetrator involved at the
Oakridge facility in Canada at the time. And Oakridge it
was they were utilizing in this sort of insane what

(01:08:29):
what doctor Barker was was apparently what he would engage
in with his parents, parents, with his patients, what he
would basically utilize these various techniques, one of which were
solitary confinement, group confinement in close quarters, sensory deprivation, physical
force and constraint, discipline punishment, administration of hallucinogens, and delirium

(01:08:54):
producing drugs including LSD.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Oh my goodness, it was fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
And and uh so they utilize these various techniques and
in three separate programs at Oakridge, one of them they
they have destroyed this facility. Since all of this came out,
there was there were major you know, uh cases where
it was ruled that the individual patients at Oakridge were

(01:09:21):
one hundred tortured by the state while they attended this. Yeah,
this facility. It's fascinating how much it's already come out
and been acknowledged and exposed as being a you know,
a legitimate, you know, breach of the government sort of overreaching,
you know, any sort of ethical boundary in terms of
the just experimenting out of population.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Yeah, sir, I know, sensory deprivation will mess you up,
especially on drugs. Oh yeah, and then consider the altering drugs, and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
This facility was a facility for the criminally insane. And
so yes, dude, so they're going out, they're saying, Hey,
we can create a psychopath out of whole cloth throughout
through utilizing these techniques in these programs. But it's far
more effective if we just find psychopaths in the wild,

(01:10:12):
bring them in to Oakridge, and then perform experiments on them.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
Dude. The synergistic effect of that is just like tenfold,
you know, the frame of what you're looking for exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
It's fascinating stuff. Man. This is one of the major
reasons why I've really begun not only to question the
concept of a serial killer, but I mean, it's it's
more than that, you know, it's I honestly believe that, yes,
people have existed that have committed multiple murders, right, But
I also think that you know, they're certainly there are

(01:10:46):
so many different cases I can point to personally where
these alleged serial killers, very well known John Wayne Gaycey
being one of the great examples. You know who else
we have Wayne Williams, Dean Coral, you know, Mark de Troux.
So many of these alleged serial killers, right, and even uh,

(01:11:07):
what's his name, Jeffrey Dahmer, who's like meeting with the
Pope at a certain point.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
And he's like, it's just goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Oh absolutely, So he's tied into.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
It's a fakeny that they came out with a Netflix
series right of his life, right, just probably, you know,
just to put blinders up and just say, hey, this
is what it was like, right, because people are going
to watch that and go, oh yeah, okay, this is
what this is everything this guy did. But now not
really dude, like the nephew of who created Netflix related well,

(01:11:39):
the creator of Netflix is related.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
To one hundred So I covered that in my Cultural
Marxism episode. And basically this guy, Edward Burnet's nephew of
Sigmund Freud as well, was considered a pioneer in the
field of public relations propaganda as we know, fall of
public relations is what they call him. And so he

(01:12:05):
he took on this effort of promoting female smoking at
a certain point in the early nineteen twenties or late
nineteen twenties where he's like promoting female smoking by branding
cigarettes as feminist quote torches of freedom. And I thought

(01:12:25):
it was so great, especially if you think of, you know,
the freedom Fries, right, and during the at least the
the sort of you know, just origin of the terror
wars int a certain level, like at the very least
sort of the heightened propaganda at the time during the

(01:12:45):
Iraq War two, when the lead up to you know,
as we're already sort of clearly we had been escalating,
we had invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, and then we had
like a certain public representative came out. I forget which
state he represented, but he later on I heard him
not too long ago, a couple of years ago on
the Scott Horton Show. I think he honestly died recently,

(01:13:09):
the senator who was involved. And as far as like
throwing out the propaganda of French fries being renamed as
a freedom Fries during the original Iraq War, Yeah, yeah,
and it's just so ridiculous. But he later on came
on Scott Horton Show and legitimately said, like, you know,

(01:13:30):
he essentially felt sorry for doing that. He apologized, He
said he was in this heightened sense of and I
do believe he actually he was one of the few
who had some sort of like ethical you know, ye
at a certain level, at least he became willing to
reflect enough to acknowledge that he was embracing and a

(01:13:50):
part of this heightened state of war propaganda he was leveraging,
you know, for his own benefit, but it only had
bad consequences. But I do think he had good intentions
as much as clearly that doesn't matter, you know. I
think it's important to know that not every elected representative
is in you know, and entirely morally bankrupt, as much

(01:14:13):
as the vast majority seemed to be. But I do
think that if you are ethical at any real level,
you you will not have such an easy path moving
forward as far as the you know, you will not
rise to certain positions, and they'll try and kind of
like put you on the the the fringes of these
certain you know, like for example, Ron Paul was the

(01:14:36):
greatest example of that. Right, They would just like put
him on on one of these uh you know, uh
uh Senate subcommittees that doesn't have really any sort of
impact and can have any real like uh you know,
call for any real accountability. But even when he was
put on like one of those Senate subcommittees that were

(01:14:57):
intended to not have any real like power we soever
that they could wield against the establishment. He's still found
a way to conduct hearings and bring in the FED
chairman and and and address the fact that clearly we
were printing money out of thin air, and we were
financing these world conflicts and regime change operations to the
benefit of the elite. Uh and and the uh of course,

(01:15:20):
of course the detriment to to overall just uh, you know,
society at large. So but again that's just one of
the few examples we have of an individual representative and
government that actually seemed to have some some real uh
ethical values, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
And yeah, well I would like to if you compare
it to sports, it's like, you know, put the superstar
player on a team that is in seventeenth place, and
no one's really going to, like, you know, paying me
too much attention because they're they're they're they're their view
is just focused on, uh, you know, where all of
the super you know where where all the first second, third,

(01:16:02):
you know place teams.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Are at or whatever, right exactly, and and so relegate
them to you know, a position of real of no
real influence and therefore out of side, out of mind.
Thank God, we can put as kind of put a
lid on the potential problems that he could cause or right,
and uh, and I think it's really most of any

(01:16:24):
most of all what he represented was the philosophy. I
think it was beautiful and and that is what led
to the Rampaul Revolution, right in many ways, was just
him introducing individuals to this this this limited in terms
of the acknowledgment that you know, it's been very much
I think, uh, you know, cast to the side as

(01:16:46):
far as the it's very much not a priority in
terms of pursuing your own individual prosperity, and therefore you become,
as I mentioned at the beginning of the show, a
net positive, you know, overall. And I think that is
certainly not that I'm saying I'm a card carrying libertarian
or anything like that. I think, you know, be very
careful about whatever ideology you claim to embrace an uphold

(01:17:10):
and represents you personally, because I have found no real
ideological preference in the political spectrum that represents me to
a t reflects my values. No. That is why I
feel absolutely disillusioned by the current structured system. And in
every way I don't even believe in represented, you know,

(01:17:30):
as far as just the idea of representation in the
first place, I'm opposed to that idea, you know, conceptually
and philosophically. I'm just I would rather not, you know,
so at every level, I prefer to opt out, you know,
hopefully insulate myself from from the consequences of the permanent
establishment as much as I possibly can. But but yeah,

(01:17:51):
Jeffrey Dahmer, he was allegedly a member of the Hand
of Death cult. Now let me, uh, do you mind
if I just fill up my coffee? You real quick? Continue?

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
Okay, I'll do right, We'll take a little We'll take
a little break. I'll market right here. Well, we're back, leads, gentlemen.
I feel like Joe Rogan right there where. We just
took a little break. It's nice. It's nice to take
a break sometimes. It's good for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
Yeah, I get too carried away as it is, so
it's good for me to take a short break. It
It's half the reason I think we do an intermission
and have like a video edit during already dead, so
we can just take a freaking break for a moment. Yea,
But give my my brain just a moment to collect
my thoughts again because again, as usual, I don't actually

(01:18:39):
address the vast majority of the things I was hoping
to discuss whenever whenever I actually show up to do
an interview. But it is the way of the world.
But you know, for me personally, I just I try
to not get too far off track when I'm trying
to actually finish a point and come to a conclusion.
But I know I brought up blank twice, like multiple times.

(01:19:01):
And I do think it's important because it plays into
the scopolamine and I'll get back to the hand of
death could because I do think it all kind of
plays together. Just there are so many just sort of
sinister techniques that are they seem to just be very
well represented in many of these different scandalous criminal cases

(01:19:24):
that obviously seem to share so much of this similar
pattern recognition in terms of how the network is facilitated
and functions. But that's like, as far as I'm concerned
in terms of this this kind of induced and amnesia concept,
I think it's really important, especially if you're considering like

(01:19:47):
the Epstein network as well, because again it's like this
is something that Anya Wig Epstein's niece allegedly you know, well,
she claims that her allegations consist of being you know,
sort of like enduring this this extreme form of of
trauma based mind control d I d LSD. It's the

(01:20:07):
same exact sort of you know, the techniques that that
we've been kind of just briefly in a in a way,
you know, mentioning and passing. But but again it's it's
strange because she she claims that she was sort of
she had to sort of like re again, it's like

(01:20:29):
through psychiatry, it seems as if, like if you look
at a Kathy O'Brien is a great example of this.
She claims to have been a monarch mind control victim
of trauma based the you know sort of d I
D this induced amnesia technique, and so they have to
work with a psychiatrist for years and years to to
kind of gain access to these these very much deliberately,

(01:20:55):
like the memories themselves have to be unearthed, right, which
is another reason why the False Memory Syndrome Foundation kind
of rose to prominence surrounding many of these child abuse
cases unfortunately, including like a McMartin preschool, the Finder's Cult,
the Franklin scandal, so many of these cases, I believe

(01:21:17):
Patty Hurst. Even in that trial, Timothy mcvay's trial, you
had Elizabeth loftis and insert herself and she was on
the scientific advisory board of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation,
among many other MK ultra operatives, which is very strange
why they would be inserting themselves on the scientific advisory
board of a foundation that is all to do with

(01:21:41):
inserting themselves in the criminal trials for one purpose only
to undermine the credibility of the child. Basically the victim witness,
which always effectively becomes a child typically and essentially because
that's when the abuse was was sort of that is

(01:22:03):
when they experienced the abuse is when they were usually,
especially in the McMartin case, they were three years old, right,
and so in Presidio, you know, I mean they ranged
the age group in terms of mc martin. But the
Presidio scandal at the military base in San Francisco, we're
talking three year olds right from the childcare development center

(01:22:24):
who are directly being abused by individuals there on base.
They're like unable to even describe the sort of abuse
that they experienced, right, and that they endured, and the
language that the parents have to resort to in order
to kind of like gain an understanding of what the
child had gone through. It's disturbing as hell, you know,

(01:22:46):
it's something that you'll never forget, honestly. But what's very
interesting about all of this is you have this sort
of sentiment, this recurring sentiment, and technique of this sort
of memory eracing induced amnesia through various different techniques, but
one of them being and this came up in the

(01:23:08):
Blink Twice film, which is.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
Very interesting to watch this movie.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
I watch this movie again. It's it's uh so Channing
Tatum plays a basically a tech billionaire, right, and he
owns his own private island. It's very interesting. Yeah, And
so now keeping mind, Zoe Kravitz is a celebrity daughter

(01:23:33):
of Lenny Kravitz, right, I believe, and uh and she's
she's sort of been on a fast track to start
them from from her her kind of childhood infancy and
many of these sort of Hollywood dynastic families, that's the case.
But still I find it interesting that she was a
part of this project. But still, again, I think she's

(01:23:55):
the reason why the conclusion became this sort of strange
feminist framework of like one of the abused victims that
was a woman. Essentially, it was a very strange conclusion
and I you know, spoiler alert obviously in terms of that, like,
do not go into this film experience thinking that you'll

(01:24:19):
be satisfied by the end of it in terms of
the actual conclusion that they come to. But I think
that that's sort of by design and part for the
chorus and as far as modern Hollywood is concerned. But
I do find it interesting because they kind of they
kind of gave the individual of victim woman that kind

(01:24:42):
of achieves victory by the end of the plot in
a certain way. She begins to kind of utilize the
same technique that of inducing amnesia that the perpetrator had
utilized on her, but for her own selfish ready, and
she's of course sort of being you know, worshiped by

(01:25:06):
the end of the film, which is very interesting just
as far as like her role that she's playing. She's
even the former perpetrator which she now is sort of
in control of through the very same techniques that he
utilized to abuse her. She's now what I guess, putting
it to better use in a way. But it's still
a very strange conclusion to come to either way, that's

(01:25:30):
not really the point. The point of the entire just
reason that I brought this up was just the fact
that this drug that they utilized I found to be
very interesting. And then the concept of obviously these these
women being seduced and by the lifestyle itself, right, just
the the kind of again, just this very wealthy elite

(01:25:53):
lifestyle is introduced to them and a night of partying,
and then they are given the invitation to come to
an tend to at least come back with this private
tech billionaire uh to his private island and and uh,
and then they would sort of just engage in debauchery
for weeks on end with no real timetable as to

(01:26:13):
when they would leave the island, and it starts to
blend together time itself. Every day is the same. They
wake up every morning, they seem to be provided with
all the sort of you know, window dressings you could desire,
and in terms of like feeling as if you're being
just you know, deliberately kind of in every way they're

(01:26:36):
providing you with even your the outfits that you have
to wear in your closet, that everything is set up
for you but it's this elegant lifestyle of decadence, right,
and they're there. It's very strange because this the main
character is this female, this this black girl who was
basically like a waitress at this event center, and they

(01:26:59):
had an event where this tech billionaire had all these
individuals there. The colors are symbolic in themselves as well
throughout the entire film, but that's how she was introduced
to Channing Tatum's character, this tech billionaire. So her and
this friend proceed to go, you know, accept the invitation,
go to the private island. And once once they reached

(01:27:20):
the private island, there's there are these workers like just
the sort of the natives are are kind of being
employed by the by the uh you know, uh as staff, right,
and it seems as if they're prioritizing slaughtering these snakes
and also picking these these strange unique flowers native to

(01:27:42):
this island specifically, and they almost look like purple lilies
of some kind. And so they're being harvested as well
as these snakes being slaughtered, and they're claiming, oh, you know,
in passing invasive species. Don't worry, pay no mind. And
then so the girls go to there, you know, back

(01:28:03):
to to their rooms, and they each are kind of
entranced by just the sort of lifestyle and the measures
in place, and no one's really questioning anything. They're all
just sort of taking a victory lap because they feel
like they've been sort of they've been granted entry into
this this next level right of of yeah, it's very strange,

(01:28:27):
but still they then proceed to, as I said, live
through the almost the same exact day, you know, over
and over on repeat, and that is typically hanging out
at the pool, just getting wasted, smoking weed, you know,
just essentially becoming growing numb, you know, to to every

(01:28:51):
level of your surroundings. And but then also they're very
just you know, there's no real concern, you know, there's
no defense mechanism in place. They're kind of they feel
like they're at ease in a way, and I think
that's all being you know, seductively achieved. And so then

(01:29:13):
they all sort of come together at the end of
the evening and they have this very elegant, elegant dinner, right,
and it's extremely unique, and then they proceed to engage
in in this sort of strange ritual where they all
take this MDMA LSD formula in this sort of like

(01:29:35):
tear drop, you know, vile and and then they start
just having this sort of strange, you know, collective experience
in debauchery, and then you see glimpses of it, and
it continues this. You see less and less of what
takes place during the time after they partake in this

(01:29:58):
strange substance, and most of the time you start seeing
clips of the women. They seem to be running from something,
and then it flashes and there's another clip where it's
the next day and she they're waking up, and then
they'll experience it again and they'll be on this strange
formula and they'll be you know, they're all they're all

(01:30:20):
in this sort of white gown. Right. It's almost as
if it's like a a white robe that so many
of the initiated and the occult organizations tend to wear
during the ritualistic ceremonies that they actively practice. And so
then they start behaving as if there's snakes occasionally while

(01:30:42):
they're like covering their faces in the strange like white
robe gown that they're in that's very flowing in the wind.
And they still at every level they seem as if
they're fleeing from something, running from something, waking up with
mud under their fingernails, and not having any explanation as

(01:31:02):
to why. Yeah, exactly, and so you're having the sinduce damnisia.
But then her friend, the main character's friend, gets bit
by a snake near the pool, and so it turns
out that that effectively, this is some sort of antidote
that is discovered that the the the effects of what
is called this perfume known as desideria or some some

(01:31:26):
it means like desire. I can't remember exactly what what
it stands for, but it's, uh, it's essentially it's the
formula that they're using in this perfume that is discovered
later on that is providing the sinduce damnisia. So each
each woman that went back to their room, they were
provided with their wardrobe, but not only that, a perfume specifically,

(01:31:51):
you know, and it was already it was the only
thing in the drawer, right, that sort of thing. And
so it seems as if that is the reason, how
at the very least, that's how they're achieving the induced amnisia,
and how there's so much fracturing time happening. It's it's
like this disorientation. It it's very strange how disoriented you feel.
And it reminded me of like Tamerlane Sarnayev from the

(01:32:14):
Boston Marathon bombing, who was one of the alleged perpetrators, right,
who you know, obviously he wound up dead, but in Sahar,
his little brother took the fall in a certain way, right,
But Tamerlane he was reporting to his mother and his family,
but specifically his mother that he couldn't account for all

(01:32:35):
this loss and time that was happening leading up to
the bombing event. And that and by the way, his
his father or his uncle, uncle Rustlin Sarnayev, he changed
his name to uncle Rustlin Sarnai after the bombing. He's
the only member of the family who's like, first of all,
he's living in a mansion in Bethesda, Maryland with all
the other spooks, so let's be careful. He married into

(01:32:58):
what they called the god father of al Qaeda. Right,
He married into his family and was legitimately living under
a CIA station chief in Afghanistan and married his daughter.
This Graham Fuller is the CIA station chief who they
call the godfather of al Qaeda uncle Rustlin Sarnay Sarnayev,

(01:33:20):
uncle of the Boston Marathon bombers. He married into that family.
Grand Fuller's family, the godfather of al Qaeda. He's living
in Graham Fuller's house. For a certain amount of time.
Tamerlane stayed back. He stayed behind. Whenever his family went
to the States, he stayed behind and lived with Uncle

(01:33:42):
Sarnay for like quite some time before he came to
the States. Which I am very much skeptical of that
entire story, and again sohard the night of the Boston
marathon bombings, the little brother and everyone around them is like, no,
absolutely not. They didn't conduct these bombers, no way. They
you know, their character sort of profiles that were being

(01:34:05):
you know, just as far as like the individual character
witnesses coming forward, teachers that you know, so many different examples.
They're like, this is exactly the opposite of what we
always knew these boys to have been, you know, and
they didn't show any of these characteristics. Ever. Tamerlane was
a professional mma fighter, like he was legitimately very talented,

(01:34:28):
but either way, he says, he couldn't account for all
these losses in time. He was waking up, and he
didn't understand how he'd gotten there, right, It was things
like that. At a certain point he told his mom
he thought his brain was fracturing in two And to me,
I thought, oh my god, like this sounds like doctor
Robert Duncan, the Harvard professor who claims that James Holmes

(01:34:52):
from the rural Colorado Cinema sixteen Dark Knight Cinema shooting
was a member of a modern manitarian candidate program well
man train candidate ID programmed free.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
This is what he says. Oh, he says, Oh yeah,
it's fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
When it's right in front of our face. Man, yep, right.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
Right in front of our face. And James Holmes. I'll
never forget that episode because it's definitely something that it
made me question the psychology of a mass shooter at
a level I was never kind of I just never
was sort of prepared for, you know. And and that
is again that happened once more with Omar Matin. Now

(01:35:37):
I have my sort of preconceived ideas about Sandy Hook.
As much as I've done research into it, I don't
believe the official narrative. But again, this is a taboo thing.
I mean they essentially I think the sort of strange
theatrical performance that was the Alex Jones trial surrounding the
Sandy Hook issue was very much as sort of we

(01:35:59):
are now just at the very least, we're reinforcing this
sort of you know, ultimate taboo. This is the one
you cannot discuss. I think there's a reason for that
because if you really consider the idea and how many
different examples there are with you know, corroborative evidence attached

(01:36:20):
that provide us with a window into how they can
legitimately use crisis actors, you know, to stage false flag
you know sort of terrorist attacks, various events that help
lay the pretext, you know, for what usually becomes some
sort of dystopian legislation, like you know, prior to I

(01:36:43):
mean the Oklahoma City bombing is a good example, but
that went live and they legitimately took lives. And but
there are actual occasions I think where they employ crisis
actors and use you know, very advanced blood squib assemblies
with with you know, you have this sort of military
grade moulage that's in place as well, and this is

(01:37:04):
all like to provide you with this false sense of
a legitimate crisis, you know, just again they kind of
run misdirection as well during the time. So that's why
I think in the Boston Marathon bombing example, when the
first blast happens at the finish line on Boylston Street,

(01:37:25):
a couple minutes later, the second blast happens to draw
attention away from the first blast. And this is what
you would do if Operation Urban Shield, which had been
the simulation and that had been obviously prepped and engaged
in leading up to the Boston Marathon bombing. Where all
the members of the marathon that were running were claiming

(01:37:46):
who were near the area of the first blast, We're saying, yeah,
drug sniffing dogs were there, all these individuals on I mean,
bomb sniffing dogs were there at the finish line. You
had all these individuals on the rooftops, right, these unacknowledged,
unidentified individuals that were clearly on the rooftops like as spotters,
you know, for for a green light go operation to

(01:38:08):
take place. And then you also you have the perfect
like the individuals who one of which was employed by
the Washington Post, got the picture happened to be the
guy that was strategically in place to get the infamous
shot underneath the tower of in nine to eleven where

(01:38:29):
the plain impacts right directly where he gets the shot
underneath at the base of the tower, and he somehow
is is unscathed and comes out of it. So this uh,
this photographer worked for the Washington Post. He just so
happens to also be in Boston.

Speaker 1 (01:38:46):
This is the same guy, same guy, the same and
he gets a picture.

Speaker 2 (01:38:53):
He gets a picture of Jeff Bauman, the alleged amputee,
which has been all these people people have claimed he
was an amputee crisis actor who had actually had his
his leg blown off by an ied in Afghanistan, and
that he was actually employed by UH. So you had

(01:39:14):
so much was a part of this operation, because the
Craft International mercenary operatives who were a part of of
this sort of So Chris Kyle, the individual who what
they obviously Bradley Cooper played in American Sniper, the Clint
Eastwood film. Now there's been a lot of skepticism surrounding

(01:39:34):
his confirmed kills and and that basically his war records
was sort of manufactured in many ways for propagandistic purposes
as well. And then he benefited off of it and
was later exposed. But it turns out that and and
very strange by the way, that two months before this
event took place at the Boston Marathon, Chris Kyle would

(01:39:57):
be shot in the back by a pa PTSD riddled
combat veteran he took to a shooting range. So then
less than two months later his mercenary operation, his mercenary
contracting company named Kraft International. They would then run security
and be spotted all over Boilsten Street on the finish

(01:40:19):
line of the Boston Marathon bombing with identical backpacks that
were discovered and claimed to have been the backpacks that
housed the homemade bombing devices with the you know, they
said they were basically these you know, a bunch of
nails and these various things were putting a pressure cooker
and that this was how they committed the first blast.

(01:40:41):
Total if you think about how that, you know, the
actual impact of the blast itself is very strange. But
it's again it goes to show, so you had all
these Craft International mercenaries at the finish line with these
backpacks on, and they had these the Punisher logos, right,
because that was the logo of Craft and Craft International

(01:41:04):
and and I believe they had a motto that uh.
Their motto was was uh. I believe it was. I'll
have to pull it up because it was something like,
you know, don't believe, like something about no matter what
your mama tells you, violence does solve problems. I think

(01:41:25):
that's what the actual motto was, that that uh that
they utilized for craft international mercenaries. So very interesting to me.
But they were spotted where their backpacks were originally on them,
and then they're running from the scene and their backpacks
are no longer uh in sight. And again it's like

(01:41:45):
it goes to show that it very clearly could have
been a matter of But again, if you consider the
idea that that Tamberline so and I have could have
been a sort of Manchurian an asset that wash you know.
But again, I lived him and his brother didn't live
very far at all from the street where the Boston
Marathon was being conducted, and so they had to basically

(01:42:08):
go through that area to get home. And so again
it's just it's very interesting how it all played out.
But again, I'm telling you right now, I'm under the
impression that you know, the Boston bombing was essentially a
manufactured crisis, right, and I think it was a way
too because they implemented martial law in Boston after that,

(01:42:30):
And it was basically this huge, huge test run during
the Obama administration to see what exactly a population, a
domestic population in a city as large as Boston was
sort of what would happen in the in the kind
of psychological warfare operatives are like sort of you know,
conducting surveillance on exactly how people react in the response

(01:42:54):
time and everything else that's involved. This is really a
part of kind of like fifth generational war and again
it's asymmetric warfare at a certain level, right. You're utilizing
these mass casualty simulations like Operation Urban Shield, these private
mercenary contractors and even companies like Vision Box, which was

(01:43:16):
associated with this. It's apparently Denver, Colorado's leading professional actors studio.
They promote themselves as crisis actors trained in criminal and
victim behavior, bring intense realism to simulate a mass casualty
incidents in public places. Amputees in Action is another company

(01:43:37):
who reportedly in July of twenty twelve they want a
contract from the UK Ministry of defense to help provide
realism to military training using amputee crisis actors, including film
grade makeup specialists. And I just think that, you know,
there's far more of this that takes place than people
would like to admit, you know, in terms of the

(01:43:58):
level of sophistication. I mean, just morning of nine to eleven,
they're running a simulation where you know, there's legitimately a
hijacked plane crashes into you know, a a massive tower
in New York. And it's just like ridiculous that this
is this is even a part of the story, right,

(01:44:20):
But I'm telling you it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:44:22):
We'll check this out, dude. Right. So the Trump shooting
right to me seemed like and when I first got
a sense, you know, when I first smelled this whole thing,
I was like, it don't smell right. You know, I
don't know how this guy gets across you know, the
barrier line, this guy gets to you know, throws a ladder,
gets on top of whatever, you know, the proof he's

(01:44:43):
got an ar that he's basically you know, he's white
out in the open too, right. And if I'm someone
who's running security or I'm someone that's running that whole program.
I'm gonna have snipers on eyes of where other possible locations,
threats may may oppose, you know, a threat to my

(01:45:04):
you know the possible target, which would be Trump. But
what I'm saying is this, listen to this, right, So
Trump gets hit and all of a sudden, there's seems
to be secret service or someone a part of the
campaign runs across the low barrier part of the stage
and starts telling you know, news reporters and photographers right

(01:45:28):
to come in, come on, come on, come on. And
then the flag of the United States of America is
hooked up to I can't believe. I don't know if
it was a tower truck of the FD or if
it was a crane, I can't remember. But anyways, it
lowers down perfectly in the at the right view while
these photographers are snapping shots of Trump getting up right

(01:45:49):
and raising the right hand. Well, we know the ties
that Trump has with Israel, right, he was given the
crown of Jerusalem, right, which is kind of like it's
it's messianic almost right to those people. But picture of
this right in Exodus, it talks about this of that

(01:46:11):
this is a ritual that takes place to the priests
who run the sacrificial process of you know, of the
anointing of sins right in the Old Testament, and it
says here, it says and it's Exodus twenty nine to twenty.

(01:46:32):
But blood is applied to their ears. This is the priests, right.
Blood is applied to the ear, the thumb, and the
big to and their toes of one foot. So Trump
lost his shoe, he got hit in the ear, and
his hand touched his ear and his thumb had blood

(01:46:54):
on it. So it's like bam, bam, bam. This could
have been like a I could see this easily as
like a setup to show prophetic symbolism, like, oh man,
Trump has to be the guy. You know, if this
just all of a sudden happens, you know, propaganda for
Israel right in some way, shape or form.

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
It's the slide of hand, of the touching of the
ear and going back down to the the the what's
it called the datum the podium. Yes, yes, thank you,
thank you, yeah, I swear there was something so strange
instantly that caught my eye. It was a major red
flag knowing the slide of hand that takes place, and actually, look,

(01:47:39):
I'm not even under the impression that it was it
was legitimately struck by a bullet. Honestly, That's that's my opinion.
I believe that it was most more than likely it
was applied. Right as far as the reason why he
pulls his hand down and then goes back up to
his ear, and that's when the blood starts to flow.
That's like, to me, exactly how you sort of stage, uh,

(01:48:04):
this this obvious in my mind, a false flag that
that provided an instant victory politically, And in my mind,
I instantly said that one thing happened for certain today,
and that is Trump will become the next president, like
no matter what. Right, And it was just entirely confirmed
in that moment, and he he had this major support

(01:48:26):
that was just you know, kind of blind support at
that moment, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
And and because it was almost like it was still
a thin line of who was you know, winning the race, right, yep,
Because I mean at some point, what's what was her
name running? Sorry, Kamala, Right, so it looked like, you know,
there was like this this movement that that she could
get into office. Right. But obviously I still think both

(01:48:53):
sides are still controlled the same same same wings of
the same bird.

Speaker 2 (01:48:58):
But for sure, but you know what convinced and then yeah,
for sure, you know what convinced me of all of
this because I forget the actual I'm going I'm going
to have to like make a note of this at
some point in the near future because it's been driving
me insane. I remember there being these very extremely unique
details in terms of this specific rally, this specific Trump rally,

(01:49:21):
and how it was set up. It was like unprecedented
in this in this political election cycle, because basically it
seemed as if it was far more staged, and everyone
at if you remember everyone at the rally itself, they
were forced to sort of just wait because Trump was
taking way longer than normal to to actually get to

(01:49:43):
the damn it. What's the name of it? Was the
Butler What isn't that what it's called? What was the
name of the the area in that in that first
assassination attempt?

Speaker 1 (01:49:52):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
And then of course wasn't it uh Butler, Pennsylvania? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:49:57):
Wasn't that the area?

Speaker 2 (01:49:58):
I think so? But I had away. The second assassination
attempt specifically felt to me as if it was a
way to reinforce the the sort of you know it
was an attempt to reinforce the legitimate credibility of the
first assassination attempt to essentially have and it baked into

(01:50:20):
the public consciousness like, look, they're clearly attempting to commit
a priority, a targeted assassination on Donald Trump, where they
wouldn't have tried a second time. Oh my god. And
even look at the background of of Ryan. Wait, Ryan
Routh wasn't the the he was the first individual. Right,
hold on, let me, it's starting to all blend together.
There's too many details to keep in my mind. But

(01:50:42):
let me pull it up. Because the one of them
was an.

Speaker 1 (01:50:43):
Older guy I think was the second. Yeah, okay, he.

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
Was the older guy who's like running around with the
and like recruiting, attempting to recruit individuals to go fight
in Ukraine. Right and uh and and then yeah, Thomas Crooks, Right,
that kid was in the black Rock commercial and uh,

(01:51:08):
which is just the most laughable thing at face value,
that he's in a black Rock commercial. And then people
are supposed to to uh accept at face value that
that this kid was able to perform you know, this
obvious in my mind a staged assassination attempt. Uh. And again,
it only benefited the the sort of permanent establishment because

(01:51:30):
if you see the individuals that aren't revolve around Trump,
it's like it's all the Peter Tiels of the world,
the Larry Ellisons as I mentioned before, who are kind
of like at the head at the forefront of implementing
and facilitating the Technocratit the sort of just you know,
totalitarian technocracy, right, and and that is undeniable at this point.

(01:51:53):
And and then of course, uh, the the issue becoming
obviously if you go back as far and to cain
Or Casino Resorts International, which is basically this organization that
Trump was affiliated with that connects him directly to the
Mayor Lansky criminal syndicate, and to you know, obviously Roy
Kohen as I mentioned before, being his specifically his mentor.

(01:52:18):
But this is very strange. Before I forget the aspect
of the Trump assassination attempt and the Boston Marathon bombing,
and what kind of reminds me and just as far
as the similarities there, it's the hyperreality filmmaking. And so
I believe that it could have very obviously just been
a filmed rally that very easily could have had individuals

(01:52:44):
staged at the rally, not saying each each and every
individual there that was in attendance was an asset, but
I'm saying they would obviously need, you know, genuine individuals
to attend. But still I believe that it very likely
could have been filmed and then recorded and then of

(01:53:07):
course like released at least where the framework is sort
of lapsed, because this is how they kind of engage
in hyper reality filmmaking. And this is something that is
very well known and was basically this individual three years
after the Boston marathon bombing, he came forward with these allegations.
I know it sounds insane, an extraordinary face value, but

(01:53:28):
when you listen to his explanation, it makes sense. His
name was Nathaniel Folks, and he's a filmmaker, film producer,
talent manager, and he had worked in the entertainment industry
for like since the mid nineteen nineties, and even like
worked on Titanic, the production of Titanic, And so he

(01:53:48):
claims that through his experience as a movie producer, he'd
become fully convinced that the Boston bombing wasn't real, but
it was something called hyper reality filmmaking that he knows
some of the people who were actually involved with the
Boston Marathon bombing and the filming. Oh yeah, oh yeah,
it's fascinating to me. So he defined hyperreality filmmaking as

(01:54:12):
a very common thing you do in the military and
can be well adjusted to a real scene in Iraq
or in any other kind of theater of war or
war zone. So in a hyper reality scene, people can
see and feel and help what appears to be a
real injured person, but the injured person is actually an
amputee crisis actor with help from a makeup artist and specialist.

(01:54:35):
So he then proceeds to claim that this is supposedly
live television broadcasting that he knows wasn't live at all,
but edited because in live footage you don't cut from
one scene to the next. He said the TV footage
was also using older technology for granny resolution instead of
the HD res available at the time. Folks goes on

(01:54:57):
to say you can see the person who put on
the makeup on the people, and refers to a woman
in pink with a makeup bag who goes to each victim.
He says she's not helping them, she's putting their makeup on.
And by the way, you can watch an insane You
can watch a sequence of videos by Dave McGowan, the
author of Program to Kill, and he legitimately points out

(01:55:19):
they freeze frame, and he points out I forget which
interview were conducted, the interview with Dave, but it's fascinating.
Just look up the Boston marathon bombing Dave McGowan and
you'll find this sort of series of videos where he
points out the individual crisis actors that he believes to

(01:55:39):
have been, you know, at the very least playing out
their role in terms of this false flag operation. And
it's fascinating stuff because again it's like I had mentioned before,
you had the FBI was they were receiving, so they
had asked the public for help, right and identifying the perpetrators,

(01:56:02):
and so you have all these dozens of photographs that
roll into the FEDS, right, and the is they're receiving
all of these tips from the public who are accusing
these men at the finish line in these tan cargo
pants and military boots with these black jackets and black
hats with the punisher logo I mentioned earlier, right, And

(01:56:24):
so the FBI is getting all these tips that these
guys were the alleged perpetrators. And so this is fascinating
to me because again it's all of the backpacks looked
identical to that, you know, the backpack we're supposed to
believe was tamer Lanes. And so they were the individuals
working for Craft International, and Craft International was formerly a

(01:56:48):
product of Blackwater, the Blackwater mercenary outfit that Eric Prince ran,
and Eric Prince I believe his sisters Betsy Davos who
she was head of education and named as head of
Education under the first Trump administration. And uh, and so
this is how much like it's it's all within the family.

(01:57:11):
And by the way, Eric Prince got a bunch of
uh military contracts in the first Trump administration, which just
goes to show obviously, you know, uh, if you know,
like the role of Blackwater and what they played in
in the Iraq uh really the terror wars. I mean
they were taking over on the ground operational uh, you know,

(01:57:31):
kind of the hierarchy they were essentially you had members
of the American military who you know, officers, right, who
were legitimately answering to the Blackwater mercenaries who outranked them
on the ground. And so they were they were just
taking orders from these private mercenary contractors.

Speaker 1 (01:57:51):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:57:51):
And and then Blackwater would then go on to commit
many different torturous war crimes and and uh, you know,
legitimately like push forward into areas that were supposed to
be untouched in terms of the military strategy and just
start raping and pillaging and taking over villages and just

(01:58:12):
refusing to turn back. Yeah, it's crazy stories. I mean,
they would drop in in a live sort of combat zone.
They would drop in in the midst from these Blackwater mercenary.
Helicopters would drop in, these Blackwater mercenaries, and then they
would then take over the rules of engagement and the
individual military assets on the ground would answer to them.

(01:58:34):
It's so crazy to me that that's how the terror
wars were conducted. But people need to realize how much
of a hidden hand there was in terms of Eric Prince.
I think he relabeled Blackwater like Frontier Services Group or
something after the war. But at this point they're trying
to put him in like prominent positions of power to

(01:58:55):
kind of result at least have an effect over our
military power policy. And you know, that's that's the slippery
slope in many ways, but but yeah, if you look
at these these pictures of the recovered backpack using the
bombing virtually identical. And and as I mentioned before, the motto,
it's despite what your mama told you, violence does solve problems.

Speaker 1 (01:59:18):
So I was right, that is jeez, well, look at
like the outcome of these things, right, because I always
kind of try to investigate what, what was the purpose
of what why the psyop? Right? And so look what
they did. They they initiated martial law in Boston.

Speaker 2 (01:59:35):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:59:35):
They shut down highways, they shut down uh, you know,
big routes of travel and small routes as well. But
they also went home to home. They were they were
going around and they were really using like their militant
power and how much authority that the government actually really
has in crisis, you know, and it's kind of like

(01:59:56):
here in Florida. I think it was uh, I forget
exactly what group of military it was. I think it
had to be I think it was. I don't think
it was Navy seal. I think it was someone with
the Marine Corps or whatever. But anyways, they were practiced.
They shut down Tampa just because they were doing a show. Right.

(02:00:16):
It was an air show type deal, but they were
showing you they were coming into Blackhawk helicopters, guys were
dropping down going throughout the cities and all this kind
of stuff. I remember this vividly because people were filming
off their boats in the bay and they are actually
thinking like something was going down. They didn't. They weren't

(02:00:37):
aware of what was going on. It was a show,
but it wasn't like usually in air shows they kind
of like give a notice, right, or they kind of
advertise it, but they claimed to do it like a
little rill operation, you know. And it's like, man, dude,
these guys can come. Military power can be scary in
a way, and it's always crisis that allows this authority,

(02:01:00):
you know, permission.

Speaker 2 (02:01:01):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:01:02):
That makes sense.

Speaker 2 (02:01:03):
Absolutely, And I remember when I covered a project Bluebeam, right.
I think that's just like one of the craziest stories
of just talk about staging of a fake alien invasion
and the fulfillment of a manufactured crisis. I mean that
is to a tee what I believe the new age
esoteric uf FO phenomena. You know, this sort of new
age community that has formed around the uf full movement.

(02:01:27):
I think it's by design, right, because it's again like
another aspect of how you would attempt to fulfill the
God whole, you know, and substitute in a certain way
to provide this strange path, you know, into embracing these
inverted moral you know values, and and again it's just

(02:01:47):
to me, it's fascinating to understand that this, this the
new age UFO movement hinges on psychological warfare like more
than anything. And if you understand, like the War the
World's broadcasts right with Orson Wells back in the day,
and it was all funded by the Rockefellers, right, Like

(02:02:09):
it was legitimately it was founded by the Rockefeller Foundation,
and it was the Princeton Radio Project, right, And it
was basically all funded in order to really study the
outcome and the consequences of the psychological warfare implications and
how the individual just the general public would react if

(02:02:31):
they thought there was a foreign invasion from Mars, right,
an alien invasion from Mars. That was legitimately. It was
so crazy because you had people just putting all their
belongings into their truck and showing up at the courthouse,
at the local courthouse and like up in arms thinking
that they were tuning into the middle of the broadcast

(02:02:54):
and thinking that legitimately Martians were invading the US airspace.
It's just a fascinating to imagine a world where people are,
of course like that sort of naive, but also it
fits perfectly with kind of the framework of what they
are consistently still pursuing and utilizing to their own benefit.

(02:03:16):
And this all came from what they called. It was
a nineteen thirty nine study, and it followed the War
of the World's broadcast, and it was all for the
psychological warfare endeavors right following World War Two. And it
turns out that that it basically the invasion from Mars
is what it was called, a study in the psychology

(02:03:36):
of panic, and it essentially it points to the death
of basic information on its formation and operation. And it's
just to me, it's about forming public opinion and manipulating
it to your own benefit in every way. But what
they believed is that essentially the war in Europe provided

(02:03:59):
them with a great opportunity, right, an unusual opportunity, and
that essentially studying the development of this public opinion and
the changes which opinion undergoes under varying conditions, and the
reasons for change were a priority in this concept. And
so again, like for me personally, it makes all the

(02:04:22):
sense in the world that they would utilize the UFO phenomena,
you know, for purposes of obviously the dystopian framework of
what they hope to achieve. But knowing all of that,
and then kind of like there's a series of articles
that studies quite a bit of this UFO phenomena and

(02:04:42):
it's I think it's called UFO Scio, A Century of
UFO Psyops Exposed, and it talks about the mind war,
which brings in Michael Luchino of course. But what blew
my mind about all of this is it's all about
the collectivisation mankind. Right, this goes back like you had

(02:05:04):
Lord mount Batten making statements about this as well, like
various individuals all throughout, you know, essentially as far back
as the late eighteen hundreds they were making statements like this,
which is fascinating to me. But they were utilizing this
ridiculous notion. And by the way, you have chemical engineers

(02:05:27):
that worked on the Manhattan Project that came out and
made these statements about I think it was like nineteen
fifty nine, it was almost nineteen sixty and they came
out claiming that all of these basically all these various
radar sightings were being manipulated in order to provide this
sort of false framework. And it was so interesting because

(02:05:51):
this was an essay that was created by an individual
named doctor Leon Davidson, and he worked on the Manhattan
Project and he basically he says in this essay titled
CIA plus E C M equals UFOs how to cause
a radar siding. And if you consider how much of
what like the individuals who go on Joe Rogan like,

(02:06:14):
you know that our navy pilots and things of that nature,
and they talk about the absurd, extraordinarily unique footprints on
their radar signatures is what they're relying upon to to
kind of make this extraordinary claim of extraterrestrial life or
at the very least this high level machinery that is
extraterrestrial in nature in terms of the way that it

(02:06:36):
functions and what is it kind of anti gravity or
something is what they like. Yeah, they like to talk about, Yeah,
the sort of world exactly the sort of Bob Lazare
you know, reverse engineering of the aircraft, right of the
extraterrestrial craft and then figure out how they could essentially

(02:07:00):
manipulate the fabric of space and time? Right, isn't that
what they claim it?

Speaker 1 (02:07:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:07:04):
It does sound very appealing, doesn't it.

Speaker 5 (02:07:06):
Right?

Speaker 1 (02:07:07):
Well, I haven't seen anyone debate what's his name? The gosh,
it's late for me, but what's his name? The guy?
The guy you were talking about that talks about all this. Okay,
no one's ever debated Bob Bazaar. You know. I've researched it.
I've looked it up, and there is has been no debate,

(02:07:28):
you know.

Speaker 2 (02:07:28):
And I remember that element one fifteen steven.

Speaker 1 (02:07:32):
Element you know. And on top of what you're talking about,
I think a big thing that's what's playing out psychologically
is the Tulpa effect. Are you familiar with the Tolpa effect?

Speaker 2 (02:07:45):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (02:07:46):
The Tulpa effect is a paranormal it's it's it's kind
of like paranormal in a way. But basically, you create
enough thought into something that you can actually see it
per se or or your or your perception will will
reveal it to you. Doesn't necessarily mean it's real. It

(02:08:09):
just means that you're you've kind of meditated on this
concept to where now it's real to you. For example,
you know these CE five rituals with Stephen Greer and
what with now you know, Chris and Ryan Pltz. So
you know that they're going out and there's big groups
of people and they're hitting these meditation states where they're

(02:08:30):
actually looking up in the sky and they'll see things.
But who's not to say that that's orchestrated with you know,
the possible mind reading technology we have, or the fact
that these people are in with the CIA or they're
in with these government agencies. They get all these groups

(02:08:50):
of people, thousands of people, you know, and it's getting
closer to the population of like that could fill the stadium, right,
and they're going out and they're doing these rituals with people,
but really it could be you know, as simple as
you know, hitting the sodium layer or whatever it is
in the atmosphere with certain satellite you know technologies that
we have and then boom, now we've created, you know,

(02:09:12):
this propaganda for people to be fully indulged in with
this concept and you seem to have to.

Speaker 2 (02:09:19):
Pay quite a bit of money to have those experiences.

Speaker 1 (02:09:21):
Exactly right, exactly exactly, you know, and with a whole
with with Project Blue Beam. You know that the one
thing I see that's kind of leading up next, you know,
because Project Blue Beam, right, it talks a lot about
you know, a fake light showing this guy right that
could persuade religious perspective using fear.

Speaker 2 (02:09:41):
Though there's so much of it that that seemed to
fit the playbook as well.

Speaker 1 (02:09:47):
Though, I will say, how about the fake hoaxes?

Speaker 2 (02:09:50):
Oh, absolutely right, that's a part of it.

Speaker 1 (02:09:52):
It's a multi stage you know. Operation Propaganda came out
not too long ago. There's things underneath the Pyramids, there's
things in Antarctica, Operation High Jump, There's all this stuff
is being put together right for the real of something, right,
the excavation of something, maybe an earthquake happens, and oh

(02:10:16):
my goodness, we found a spaceship.

Speaker 2 (02:10:19):
The submerged objects as well, right, the submerged extraterrestrial sort
of spacecraft. So at least, uh, you know, highly operational
spacecrafts that are like at these unprecedented speeds at a
movement and reversing movement and then they submerge underwater into
into this uh you know, just the tic TAC right,

(02:10:42):
that was explained on Rogan as well.

Speaker 1 (02:10:44):
Well. Look and look at the psychological build up right
of this tupa effect that now. I mean, you ask
anybody on the side of the street, and you'll be like, hey,
you believe in UFOs and they're like, yeah, Number one
Joe Rogan talks about all the time. Everyone's probably heard
it by the right that kind on set.

Speaker 2 (02:11:01):
But I say, electronic countermeasures are all the radar sidings,
So all the alleged radar sidings that we're supposed to
embrace as the uniquely, you know, just the sort of
advanced propulsion systems that we're supposed to imagine exists that
are outside of our capability, when in reality, it's like,

(02:11:22):
we obviously know, these black budget operations they've been conducting
for generations have produced extraordinarily, you know, just as far
as the the technological capabilities, they're at the very least
ten to twenty years ahead of schedule, you know, as
far as what the average public you know, or just

(02:11:43):
general public believes to be possible. I think they're at
the very least twenty years past that. And maybe that's
maybe that's a part of the illusion that we're we're
supposed to embrace as reality. But I do definitely believe
that if any of these sightings are legitimate, it's man
made craft one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (02:12:04):
Dude. Yeah. We had a guy on last last episode
that was talking about all kinds of DARPA projects. He's
like super educated in the tech world and the fact
that we have things that we would it's bizarre to
us were for us to wrap our minds around. There,
there was a killer B project that DARPA was running.

Speaker 2 (02:12:23):
To where they were using a Hymen's program. Yeah, no,
I covered So when I did DARPA, I think I
did DARPA's Lifelog project, was right, That was the main
sort of lens that I approached it in. But still
I had to cover some of the more extraordinary programs
that I just kind of like stumbled across throughout the process,

(02:12:44):
and one of them was the DARPA Hymen's program. It
was about like, uh, these hyper advanced mosquitoes, right, but
don't let I'll tell you the descriptive details just very briefly,
but I don't want to forget the fact that these
these electric essentially what was described as the ECMS electronic countermeasures, right,

(02:13:08):
this is all about manipulating enemy radar operators and things
of that nature as far as the military application, but
it's far more than that, because they they found a
domestic application, right, and a domestic use for this sort
of ability. And how they could you know, kind of
like create a psychological phenomena through and imaginated as far

(02:13:33):
as like an imaginary sort of radar citing incidents, right,
that they could just sort of create out of whole
cloth and so and kind of rely on people who
had good intentions as well, who were just like, oh
my god, I saw this crazy thing, and just accumulate
those stories over time, and now you all of a
sudden have a psychological phenomena, you know, And that is

(02:13:54):
essentially what individuals, especially this per that I had mentioned before,
who was a leading chemical engineer in the Manhattan Project.
His name is doctor Leon Davidson. He pinned this essay
and published it in nineteen fifty nine. He says, quote
I contend, so he's saying CIA plus electronic countermeasure equals UFOs.

(02:14:17):
That's what he says. That's the name of this essay.
And he says CIA plus ECM electronic countermeasure equals UFOs.
How to cause a radar siding. That's the name of
this essay, and he says, quote, I contend this, since
nineteen fifty one, the CIA has caused or sponsored saucer
sidings for its own purposes. By shrewd psychological manipulation, a

(02:14:41):
series of quote normal events has been served up so
as to appear as quite convincing evidence of extraterrestrial UFOs.
And then it gets worse because you begin to find
out that that obviously this is a longstanding sort of
agenda in place, and you had people as compromised as

(02:15:03):
Lord Lord Lewis mount Batten, right, who was apparently as
early as nineteen forty seven, he's making statements about sometimes
I think the people of this distracted planet will never
really get together until they find someone on Mars to
get mad against. Right, Like, that's just another way to

(02:15:25):
say the Reagan quote right exactly. Imagine the extraterrestrial threat,
the sort of the essentially we will all come together
if there were an outside threat that we're posed to,
you know, the global public. And yeah, here's another thing
nineteen seventeen. Okay, this is fascinating because it's a Fabian

(02:15:47):
socialist that makes this claim. And so again understanding the
Tavistock Institute in the of course, the Frankfurt School and
the social engineering aspect of so much of this ridiculous
you know what public school was just really based on
the Prussian model, and it was all about you know,
manufacturing compliance, you know. And essentially the Prussian king discovered

(02:16:11):
the fact that he couldn't just completely you know, force
the club, the peasant class, you know, into battle and
expect them to be a viable soldier, right because he
would then place this sort of peasant farmer on the
front line and they would just run away in fear
and and not actually stand up for for you know,

(02:16:34):
the collective that at least at least in the mind
of the Prussian king, and so it goes. It's a
part of like creating a compliant and submissive boy soldier
in a way to where they would no longer uh,
they would be willing to sacrifice themselves, right for for
essentially the collectivist nature of the state. And that is

(02:16:58):
what the Prussian model was in tended to do, is
based on the assembly line, right, and they would just
you know, attempt to It's just it's the same exact
reason that they created the public schooling system was in
order to make the children, right, the youth in society
subservient to the state as early as possible. That way,

(02:17:23):
they could rely upon the peasant class to fight their
conflicts on their behalf. And you know, that's been sort
of the formula and recipe from day one. And what
do we see in nineteen seventeen. We see a speech
being delivered to the Imperial Japanese delegation in Washington, and
it's being given by a Fabian socialist, okay, and his

(02:17:47):
name is John Dewey. He's very much involved in the
public education system. And he says the best way to
unite all the nations on this globe would be an
attack from some other planet. In the face of such
an alien enemy, people would respond with a sense of
their unity and purpose. This is in nineteen seventeen. People

(02:18:08):
refer to Reagan in the eighties as if that was
the original claim. This predates, you know, I mean it
just this has been you know, a longstanding sort of
a psychological framework that they're intending to utilize in order
to manipulate us and deceive us into embracing this New

(02:18:31):
Age philosophy.

Speaker 1 (02:18:32):
Yeah, I agree. It's almost like what Carol Roslin says, right,
who's the alleged you know, basically coworker of Warren Vonners
disclosure project, right, and that the last stage of this
whole entire process of a global government, right, this whole
idea of like taking over the world, right, this new
world order. It's not new, right, It's been a concept

(02:18:54):
for the ages. But you know, she says that the
last part of that that project is to develop some
sort of space program and and create this propaganda narrative
to wrap around this concept of that that we need
to build weapons, we need to do all these things

(02:19:16):
space weapons, you know, in particular, you know, to to
fight off these possible threats. And it's like it's coming together.
You know. Well, I wanted to circle back around, and
we'll wrap it up here in a little bit, but
I wanted to circle back around to the Tulpa effect, right.
So the topa effect is it's it's ancient Tibetan Buddhism, right,

(02:19:37):
and it's it's considered an esoteric practice of their kind.
And you know, tulpas are entities believed to be created
and sustained by the power of thought and belief. Right,
So that's like that concept I was trying to say earlier.
But what really stuck out to me for something within
my timeframe of being alive is the slender Man. Right.

(02:19:59):
You remember the slender Man, right, So slender Man. I
believe the concept that circulated around the Internet was around
two thousand and nine or something like that, but I
think around twenty twelve or thirteen, there was these two
murders that took place, right, and it was where I
think it was these two girls that were friends or something,
but anyways, they were manipulated by this idea, right, that

(02:20:23):
refers to the slender Man, and because it was a
fictional Internet horror character, right, the idea of the slender
Man is that it existed as a tulpa. Right, It's
like this idea of this entity. But anyways, who knows.
I'm not saying it's not an entity. But my main
suggestions are is that hey, this was could be psychological

(02:20:44):
warfare and we can't rule it out. The thing that
happened was is these girls murdered these people. One of
them actually tried to burn down their house with their
family in it, because the slender Man told them to
and kind of promised them that, hey, you need to
do this to save this, you know, like there's some
sort of gain out of all of it, right, but

(02:21:07):
it's intense what the mind can absorb and retain and
how it can be manipulated through certain you know, psychological
warfare and who knows. I think that not only is
these three letter agencies, but I think our government and
the shadow governments have not mastered it yet but they're
trying to. But they've definitely got a pretty good grip

(02:21:29):
on it to manipulate public opinion, public thoughts. And I
think we're seeing that big time with the UFO stuff.
I can't rule out that this is our technology, that
this is our technology. You've got this, you know, possible

(02:21:50):
sigh out that oh we're we were reverse engineering at all.
And it's like, man, dude, you're built. People aren't understanding.
They they like that, right, They get so attached to
the concept of this alien stuff because of the movies
of Hollywood of all this stuff. They don't understand the
effect it really has taken a toll on your life.

(02:22:13):
And it's so funny too, how these movies they come
off as fiction, but then they now it's like fiction
is becoming nonfiction in reality, at least with the narrative
that they're pushing with all this stuff. Aliens is fascinating. Man.
It's funny too. When we were at Brograve, you know
this this concept came up. What are aliens? You know,

(02:22:36):
it's like, no, man, Thanks Jacob Golly.

Speaker 2 (02:22:39):
I think legitimately, I think I brought up the Princeton
Radio project there as well, Like on stage, I think
I brought it up just because I always take it
back to the War of the World's concept and this
sort of always being kind of in the vein of
psychological warfare and just from its infancy from day one,
from its introduction to the public. And this is crazy

(02:23:02):
as well because it was Alan Doles right during the
nineteen fifties and he allegedly became actively involved with the
CIA work on UFO saucers flying saucers, and he apparently
saw the psychological impact that they had on the public,
and so he started a plan to build them up

(02:23:23):
as a psychological warfare weapon. So there's a book that
was written now, So there's basically this open letter in
nineteen sixty two to these researchers right specifically in the
UFO community, and it essentially kind of it addresses the
psychological warfare implications with how the intelligence apparatus is utilizing

(02:23:50):
it and leveraging it against the American public. And essentially
it's very interesting because basically this plan was was developed
and there were steps that the CIA took which Project
Blue Book would would clearly be implemented in the early fifties,
and so you had this interesting process that was then

(02:24:13):
obviously pursued. And I think that so much of this
ridiculous evidence that was put forward, as far as UFO
flying saucers that that were sighted at the time, the
sightings were like originally they were of these balloons, right,
that were obviously just you know, complete hoax. As far
as the sightings that were originally you know that what

(02:24:35):
did they call them, the I forget the actual name,
The flying disc craze of nineteen forty seven, I believe
is what it was. But it is a very interesting.

Speaker 1 (02:24:48):
Psychological phenomenal flying saucer.

Speaker 2 (02:24:51):
Something like that. Yeah, but it was all about these
flying discs, right, And it was, yes, the origin of
the flying saucer. And and and it's so funny the
guy who supposedly, you know, is known for that whole concept,
he didn't even mention that it was a saucer.

Speaker 1 (02:25:08):
If anything, he described it as a boomerang. It looked
like a boomerang ex style craft, right. I even think
the Nazis had some tech on that too, which is
kind of funny.

Speaker 2 (02:25:18):
But you consider one of them brown, right, And and
who was it that was? Doctor Carrol Rosen allegedly got
a deathbed confession from him. But but at the same time,
what did what did his uh what is his tombstone say?
It's the Bible verse, right, the firmament showeth his handiwork,

(02:25:42):
I believe, yes, yes, which is a very revealing and telling.

Speaker 1 (02:25:46):
Yeah, because you can you can know some people will
say that that's a hard bearer dome that rests over us,
but some can also allude to the fact that, you know,
that's a part of the sky, right, And so maybe
he's alluding to the fact as well that hey, we're
God and we're showing our little handiwork in the sky
like some you know, like they're doing true right, you know,

(02:26:09):
So who knows, But it's interesting to say the least.

Speaker 2 (02:26:12):
It's definitely as possible. But I know that it's very
interesting because of how much Alan Doles played a key
role in the flying saucer craze and how it kind
of like rise to the public's uh just attention, excuse me,
but yeah, he he Basically he he developed a strategy

(02:26:35):
of using these these flying saucer events as a tool
in the Cold War. That was apparently what he wanted
to to first of all, that was how he hoped
to kind of like strategically utilize this psychological warfare tool,
you know, and and to his own benefit in terms
of the military application. But but then he felt like

(02:26:59):
he wanted to Ussia to waste extra effort on defenses
against objects having this extreme capability which was implied by
the public uh sightings of the flying saucers, right, And
so he he adopted a new concept.

Speaker 1 (02:27:15):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:27:16):
And he he claims that Carl Jung is to be
credited with with this sort of concept that he then
embraced and uh and basically it had to do with
a myth that benign aliens have visited Earth for millennia.
So he started going back to this sort of like
I'm going to lean in to the ancient aliens uh

(02:27:38):
uh uh just belief system that is in outside of
the Biblical connotation of like the nephilum or something of
that to that effect. But still it's very interesting, you know,
to to actually witness the fact that Alan Doles himself
is utilizing a method that he sort of embraced after uh,

(02:28:01):
Carl Carl Jung's sort of teachings and and and yeah,
he so he used the these illusions, these sort of
tricks right of the magician and uh, and he would
attempt to blend in the sightings, landings and contacts with
the legitimate military test sightings. And so this is how

(02:28:23):
public perception grew from utilizing the concept in comic books
and TV shows and the pop culture references, uh, to
space travel being this legitimate possibility, which is then how
how of course the space race was then sort of
like they they paved the way, so that being that
this kind of like in in my mind, the space

(02:28:46):
race was obviously just this sort of like interesting way
to encourage the public to to legitimately not ask questions
in terms of their taxpayer dollars being leveraged in utilized
to the benefit of the permanent establishment.

Speaker 1 (02:29:03):
And uh.

Speaker 2 (02:29:03):
And the final point that he had to make is
that Doulas found the saucer believers individuals who believed in
flying saucers and their organizations and clubs an ideal propaganda vehicle.

Speaker 1 (02:29:18):
There you go. That's that. Well. Look I mean, look
at I'll top it off with this. Look at what
the space race is today. Artificial intelligence exactly, and we're
and and it's uh, everyone is uh, you know, complying
to the consent of you know, to allow them to

(02:29:39):
do what they're doing, right, Like, It's it's crazy because
I do think at some point AI can get like,
you know, pretty dark it is in the wrong hands, especially,
but man, it can get kind of dark. Uh, you know,
especially if we've got we've got these corporations and we've

(02:30:02):
got these we've got we've got these technological advanced corporations
that like DARPA, that that who knows what they could
could be making right right, you know, maybe a high
robot could be something, you know, hopefully when we're like
older and we just don't give a crap anymore, right,
we're like ask exactly, you know, honestly, just give me

(02:30:27):
my cigar. I'll be all right, yeah yeah, man, but brother,
I I I want to you know, if there's anything
you want to put a bow on. We're gonna get
ready to wrap it up here in a little bit.

Speaker 2 (02:30:40):
But yeah, sounds good. I really just you know, again,
there's so much that I had I wanted to discuss
with you, but I don't know. We kind of went
a bunch of different directions and I didn't seem to
to at the very least, there were certain aspects of
what I was hoping to, Like, for example, I should
put a ball on the blink twice aspect of everything,

(02:31:02):
because I do think the induced amnisia. It's very important
for people to realize how much this technique has been
used in the context of monarch mind control and these
these networks of child abuse that seem to be state sponsored.
And I mean there are so many different examples as
far as like as well as the Satanic ritual abuse
aspect and the occult you know, kind of layer to

(02:31:25):
it all with the animal sacrifice and and this strange
pursuit of modern eugenics and this transhumanist agenda of of
of kind of like the pursuit of immortality. Like if
you look at Epstein the stable of women he's attempting
to impregnate, uh, They're they're harvesting their eggs it's very
similar to that of Peter Nigard, right, the Canada's Epstein,

(02:31:48):
Who's who's he's attempting to harvest eggs as well, And
and uh, there's there's video footage of him sitting around
a table with a person that a business is sort
of like just he's definitely in business with this individual.
He's personal friends with him as well. And they have
a bunch of like black models around them at like

(02:32:10):
at this sort of like roundtable. And it seems like
it's strange because there's a camera and and I believe
it was a part of some sort of documentary, but
inevitably they start discussing how they essentially were willing to
start a bidding war for the girls' eggs, right and yeah,

(02:32:34):
and began by offering, like I believe the first offer
was one hundred bucks to five hundred bucks for for
to essentially harvest their eggs. And and you should see
the actual just the reaction on the faces of the
individual women and which one you know, clearly most of

(02:32:54):
them are completely just like you know, uh, just they
It's very obvious they're disturbed by this conversation taking place.
But at the same time, when Peter n Iiguard begins
to have this conversation. It's very interesting. Do I have
the ability to share anything with you?

Speaker 3 (02:33:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:33:13):
Okay, hold on, let me find it.

Speaker 1 (02:33:15):
If it boots you for any crazy reason, just come
right back. And sometimes it's done that. But I think
you're good.

Speaker 2 (02:33:22):
Sweet let me see this. I should be able to share.
But it goes to like it honestly goes to show
how much here you go. Okay, so this is fascinating
and it's not very long at all. But if you
just kind of watch this as an example, the audio
is a little bit difficult, but I think it's because
it's being This is clearly a sort of recording of

(02:33:46):
something that was on television, so it's a sort of
a third party recording. But at the same time, it's
not bad enough to I think the audio is good
enough for us to at least get heed the point
here which plays per Glee into the Epstein network and
then also Epstein's niece Anya Wick and what she claims
to have happened to her at another Epstein victim, Juliette Bryant.

(02:34:09):
She claims that, you know, she woke up on an
operating table at Zoro ranch and that she had her
eggs missing and were harvested, and she had been branded
with a blue butterfly. Yes, very strange.

Speaker 1 (02:34:20):
On some like some nephelum stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:34:23):
Exactly, buddy, exactly. It's it's crazy, honestly, and you consider
how many of these cases connect, Like again, it's it's
something like just personally, I mean, if you're considering like,
not only do we have the finders the son of Sam,
the Atlanta child murders, Charles Manson the Franklin scandal, I

(02:34:45):
mean you have the presidio on West Point, Mick Martin
that I mentioned earlier, Mark du Troux, which even connects
to the local chapter of the Satanic Order of Abersas
or or you know what many people understand as the
Order of a braxis right, which is the chicken snake God,
which uh you know this is this is a legitimate entity, right,

(02:35:05):
And it's it's fascinating to me that that it comes up.
I I at face value, I laughed it off. I
used to think it was a ridiculous notion. I would
hear Sam Tripley mention a braxis the chicken snake got
on Timfoil hat and I would just I would laugh
and laugh like there was no real, real credibility. And
then I'm like, holy, I couldn't believe that it came

(02:35:25):
up in the context of a criminal investigation.

Speaker 1 (02:35:28):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:35:28):
That tied back to Mark de Troux. And this, yes,
the local chapter of the Satanic Order of Aber Sachs
is what they call themselves in the high priestess of
the order uh Dominic. I forget her name at this point,
but it's fascinating stuff. And what did they discover when
they rated the the this local Satanic uh cult group

(02:35:50):
tied to the Detrox investigation were jars of blood uh uh?
And yeah, human skulls. Yeah, we'll get into that for
just a brief moment. We'll get the hell out of here.
I'm sorry, Oh you're good, but yeah, we'll watch this
real quick though. Hold on, let me make sure. Yeah,
there we go. This is so.

Speaker 6 (02:36:09):
Crazy technology to It's called c n D, which takes
the eggs of a young woman.

Speaker 3 (02:36:22):
Specimen takes the egg and takes out the nucleus and
the nucleus like Bigfoot.

Speaker 1 (02:36:35):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:36:36):
We don't see in any other race on the planets.

Speaker 2 (02:36:49):
They have a monopoly on this genetic this is what
he's saying to them. This is just like fascinating as
hell to me, and and something that people need to realize.
This is definitely a part of the enterprise at this point.
And you're you're talking about oregon harvesting being among the
goals that that these strange sociopaths would hope to pursue.

(02:37:10):
And and another reason why so many people in the
Bahamas would were just natives to the island that Peter
Nigard had owned going missing, you know, and and major.

Speaker 1 (02:37:22):
So hold on, I want to clarify something real quick. So,
so is this an egg that's fertilized?

Speaker 2 (02:37:31):
See, this is fascinating because it looks like they're just
attempting to harvest the eggs from each of these women. Okay,
got right, And whether that be to fertilize them outside
of right of the and that seems to be part
of what they're attempting to achieve here. And again, if
you consider the idea of and I said this in

(02:37:53):
my my recent de Troll Part three episode with Joseah
kind of mentioned the idea of this being a potential
factor involved, and that is so essentially you consider the
idea of like a Nazi breeding experiment. And how how
basically I had said, like Kerry Thornley and Lee Harvey
Oswald are potential candidates who were allegedly involved in this

(02:38:16):
sort of situation. Well, this again provides a constant supply
of undocumented child victims or test subjects for any anything
that you might hope, hope to uh, you know, let's
just say, let's just say you have a sort of
agenda of pursuing immortality like a Peter Nigard would who
you know, he he believed he was his he believed

(02:38:38):
he was a god like if you listen to what
he claims h you know, to certain victims who were
involved in some of the models that were involved in
in his uh in some of the abuse and alleged,
you know, accused him of certain things. And and you
see all the people who visited his private island by
the way, George Bush Senior, it's all the usual suspects, right,

(02:39:00):
And and Bill Clinton's hanging out there and and he's
he's very interested in this strange stim cell research as well,
which is apparently he's funding this this he's on the
advisory board. So get this, this is the craziest thing
ever because he had this bold claim of trying to
reverse the aging process.

Speaker 1 (02:39:21):
And uh, and that's what they want to seek, man,
they want to seek, you know, eternity here. They want
to transhumanism agenda, right exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:39:31):
That's exactly what it is. And and there's a ridiculous
quote where Peter and Nygard he he he legitimately had
a God complex, and he's quoted during one of his
he has like an outburst and he goes into a
rage blackout basically, and he starts shouting, I am God.
Do you not understand? This is my plane. I can
do whatever the hell I want?

Speaker 1 (02:39:52):
And and this is that sounds ethical exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:39:56):
And that then he's launching all of these initiatives in
the biotech health industry and utilizing these biotech companies. He
hires these scientists to do work on stem cell technology
in the Bahamas, and then he starts basically, he starts
his own embryonic stem cells in a lab. So obviously

(02:40:17):
you're considering the idea that he could be a sociopathic, pedophile,
maniac rapist, which all the allegations claim he is. And
he's now sitting in prison in Canada, allegedly in a
very cush I guess he has like, you know, it's
essentially like Glenne Maxwell in a certain way. It's like
Club fed, right. They have all the the sort of

(02:40:40):
just anonymities that you would hope to have as a
you know, as a as a regular citizen, and so
in no way they're kind of like enduring any real consequences.
But he was interested in cloning methods like one hundred percent,
and so he starts, along with Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein,
he starts funding all of this insane biomedical foundational research

(02:41:03):
and scientific research. And so essentially what he starts to
claim is that he's trying to spread his superior genes,
just like that of Jeffrey Epstein, right, who was obsessed
with impregnating up to four hundred women to spread his
genealogy and and and so essentially what later occurs is

(02:41:24):
that you have Bill Gates as well as Jeffrey Epstein
and Peter Nigard all funding this anti aging research. And Epstein,
along with Peter Niguard, serve on the advisory board of
a foundation called Lifeboat Foundation. And so the Lifeboat Foundation,
they started scrubbing everything on their website after the the

(02:41:47):
criminal cases went public of Peter Nigard and Jeffrey Epstein
damage Control Damage Control, and it turns out that the
Lifeboat was associated with the Cryonics Institute, so that Peter
Nigard was entirely associated with as far as this somatic
cell nuclear transfer to reverse human cellular aging, this is what.

Speaker 1 (02:42:08):
They were in all reverse the telemeters.

Speaker 2 (02:42:12):
Longevity through technology, the immortal the Immortal Immortalist Society is
what all. It's so crazy how much that they were
funding all of this and and all of this was
being like promoted in in the you know twenty fifteens
is one of the latest examples of the Cryonic Institute

(02:42:32):
being associated with Peter Nigard publicly. And but still this
Lifeboat Foundation that Epstein and Niguard are both affiliated with.
It turns out that it apparently Niguard and and the
Lifeboat Foundation connect back to UNESCO and the United Nations,

(02:42:54):
so this draws in directly sort of like the again
the play book utilized for these strange usual suspects like
a Michael Aquino or a Peter Nigard or Jeffrey Epstein,
who are all associated with military intelligence and seem to
have a hidden hand footprint where they coexist with these

(02:43:15):
organized crime syndicates that are clearly helping facilitate this sort
of clandestine agenda at play here, along with uh, you know,
providingible plausible deniability to the intelligence apparatus, which is always
a part of it. And so again I think, so
let's watch the rest of this and then I'll shut up,

(02:43:36):
because it's clearly like a uh you know, a modern
eugenesis transhumanist agenda, right, this modern eugenics man. I mean,
I see no way around it. And and these are
elitists who are obviously yeah, they're they're very scared of
the potential. I would think spiritual consequence is of the

(02:44:00):
next life, right, And I.

Speaker 1 (02:44:02):
Agree with you. I agree with you, And I think
I promised certain things here that they know. I don't know.
It's always like, what what's the contract say when you
make the deal with the devil? You know what I'm saying?
What exactly if it's if it's twenty pages thick, you know,
there's got to be some stuff in there. So and
I think that's why they like to push towards this stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:44:26):
It it goes back to eight millimeter as well too,
just the over exposing yourself to the devilish details. The
devil's in the details, as they say, that's a reality
in terms of these networks of abuse. Now, I'm not
saying I'm not trying to you know, I'm not trying
to push people to to not pursue this this research

(02:44:50):
because I think, yeah, ignorance is bliss to a certain extent,
but then you also run a risk of vulnerability to
to not understanding the legitimate threats being posed, right, And
and I think that we have to be able to
identify the the uh, you know, the honest threat we
face here and again if we're intended to the very

(02:45:14):
least protect ourselves against the potential outcome. Right, I think
it's important to be aware. But still it very much
is like a matter of the details start to to
you know, expose you to a world that you never
would have been able to even conceptualize. Right, you have

(02:45:35):
to kind of yeah, it's it's a it's it's definitely
it's a strange process. But but this is a perfect
window into the strange, sinister goals that they are all
pursuing in this elite strata of society. And and I
think that the top currency in DC for generations has

(02:45:55):
been sexual blackmail and human compromise. And so there's no
difference when you find out that heads of industry, major
end of you know, prominent individuals who have you know,
just consequential influence at a diabolical level, right they they
clearly seem to possess this strange, this strange ethical uh

(02:46:18):
you know, upside down inverted moral foundation.

Speaker 5 (02:46:22):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:46:22):
And and and again, I think that is the reason
we find ourselves here in this in this certain at
least in this predicament, we find you know, current environment.
So this right here takes a turn into a dark
place as soon as Peter Niguard begins to speak, and
you just begin to realize that sociopaths can't really help themselves.

(02:46:45):
You know, they don't believe that they're engaging in something
that is immoral or unethical in a real way. It
doesn't even resonate with them. It's it's not even on
the table as a concern. And to see the faces
that that the reaction on the faces of these women,
at least a couple of them, it's it's too just

(02:47:08):
self evident, right, you can read just the emotional reaction.
And yeah, I remember that was in reference to.

Speaker 6 (02:47:25):
Have a kind of a monopoly gene perfection and.

Speaker 7 (02:47:29):
We positive real quick, dude, you know the movie Get Out, Yes,
why did they go after black people because it was
their gen It was their genetics that fascinating.

Speaker 1 (02:47:43):
It was crazy, I know.

Speaker 2 (02:47:45):
And again, if if you consider the concept of blank twice,
it's like the the main character was a black female
and she was the one who had been uh, you know,
sort of like seduced into except the invitation based on
the lavish lifestyle, and then finding herself in this position
where her and her friend are just kind of embracing

(02:48:08):
this this oh my gosh, this again. It's it's like
it's more than you could ever imagine because clearly this
is a billionaire tech billionaire with the private island, and
so to imagine how you could be sort of like
seduced into just accepting right that kind of honestly, it's

(02:48:29):
very strange because once she so her best friend basically
I mentioned that she gets a bit by a snake,
and then she starts having flashes. Her memory starts coming
back as if the snake that was being eradicated that
was native to the island was potentially being eradicated because
it would provide the women with the potential avenue into

(02:48:50):
redeveloping their their you know, their false memories or not
false memories, but they're forgotten memories. They're induced amnesia during
the moments of abuse. And so essentially, when when the
friend of the main character gets bit by a snake
by the pool, she starts having flashbacks of her abuse.
And that is the reason why the snakes were being

(02:49:13):
obviously eradicated on the island. And and then the flower
that would looked at like a purple lily was being
you know, harvested because it provided this strange psychoactive induced
amnesia quality that they would.

Speaker 1 (02:49:29):
Then picture of this flower. Would you recognize it? Yeah, definitely,
so I'll find it right now, but you can run.

Speaker 2 (02:49:39):
So basically what what was then utilized that they would
they would process this flower into a perfume, and then
that is what the the women would apply every morning
upon waking up. They would apply this perfume that that
Channing Tatum's character, the tech billionaire, would would give them
or have waiting in their room for them. And and
so this the flower was like a dark purple with

(02:50:04):
with like a it was like a dark purple lily
in a way, is almost exactly that, except it was
more purple. It was a more royal purple. But yeah,
so similar and.

Speaker 1 (02:50:19):
Yes, definitely that's a tulpa flower.

Speaker 2 (02:50:23):
Get out of here.

Speaker 1 (02:50:23):
Yeah, it's a tulpa flower.

Speaker 2 (02:50:26):
Wow, you DoD. You have to watch the movie as
soon as possible and have your remote, have your remote
in hand for for the the unfortunate abuse that takes place.
They don't they don't linger and dwell too much as
some some unfortunately do. But but but still it's enough
to have an impact. And yeah, and I will say

(02:50:47):
that it's it's always a negative impact you usually, but
but still it's very interesting because once again it's like
man the idea of what how this affected them? And
once the the the frame discovered the fact, right, she's,
So she wakes up, she she kind of like remembers
the abuse in a certain way, and she she begins

(02:51:08):
to become uh, she's, she's she's starting to cause problems.
And essentially what happens is that one night she just disappears.
And and so the main character who was her best
friend is kind of first she's asking questions, and then
she asks one of the girls in the group, and
they don't even remember her friend existing at all. Oh

(02:51:31):
and and when that moment happens, you, as an audience member,
wake up and you're shocked, like, holy sh they just
they just completely, you know, just removed this woman from
ever even being on the island in the first place.
And and then to have actually like been through the

(02:51:52):
vision of the main character obviously experiencing this who was
her best friend allegedly or one of her closest friends
on the island at the least that she came with.
And uh. And once she's kind of posed with that
strange reaction by the other individuals who who are there
and participating in the lavish lifestyle, you you begin to

(02:52:13):
wake up, and you begin to ask more and more
questions about why am I waking up with mud under
my fingernails that I cannot explain? And then all of that,
obviously you can imagine as it begins to fill in
the holes of the memories lost and uh, and the
abuse endured and and and all of a sudden, uh,

(02:52:33):
it was like a Tarantino stipe tile uh uh turn
in the plot, and and there's a shift in the
plot and you get a sort of like, uh, just
at the very least there's there's a you know, a
moment of acknowledgment and and the cuential nature of the
outcome of that. And it's very interesting to watch. But
I will say it's important in terms of again introducing

(02:52:58):
this concept to the general public in the pop culture framework,
because again, this will reach people who will never take
the time to research these various criminal cases and scandals
that we've discussed over the course of this episode, and
and that in itself is extraordinarily valuable. And as much
as I don't appreciate the conclusion of the film or

(02:53:21):
how the plot developed, I think so much of the
abuse itself and how it could have been strategically, you know,
sort of like again, he has a psychiatrist. The tech
billionaire brings a psychiatrist there to witness the abuse taking
place while they're under this amnesia inducing drug, to where

(02:53:42):
the psychiatrist is being convinced by the billionaire tech mogul
that this is a path forward, and the women are
actually it's okay that they're enduring this extraordinary abuse. They
don't have any any any memory of it whatsoever. So
therefore there's no ethical implications of a consequential nature nature

(02:54:02):
of it, and so you have no real concern of
the sort of karmic consequence of it. Right, And that
that alone was very interesting to me. So anyway, I'll
play the rest of this soars one hundred dollars.

Speaker 4 (02:54:21):
Look at that as Peter Niguard, he says, I bought
about sixty thousand dollars worth of eggs.

Speaker 2 (02:54:41):
That's what he says.

Speaker 1 (02:54:43):
One more time.

Speaker 2 (02:54:55):
That's very Do you hear that when you have an abortion,
that's very valuable. The ambilital chord.

Speaker 3 (02:55:04):
Okay at the center. You know, you know your period,
but it's so rich with themselves.

Speaker 2 (02:55:13):
Took that girl.

Speaker 1 (02:55:14):
You should be oh, yeah, she's pretty.

Speaker 6 (02:55:18):
It should waste You shouldn't go to waste somebody.

Speaker 2 (02:55:23):
It's like sixty eighteen.

Speaker 3 (02:55:28):
Yeah, yeah, So you may not be.

Speaker 5 (02:55:40):
Anyway cloning yourself with the idea of making yourself immortal.
I think it's the science fiction and I think it's
it's unathle.

Speaker 3 (02:55:54):
They were tested this practice in Mice and Mouse is
fact and got six back when it was jumping all
the women. You know, yeah, you know it was first
safe and after that.

Speaker 2 (02:56:09):
Yeah, that's so crazy, right, I know, I'm telling you disturbed,
and that combined with so one last point and then
we can we can go ahead and get out of here.
But that is so you have the the sort of

(02:56:30):
induced amnesia aspect of of of what the blink twice
concept and the plot line kind of like developed and
and proved out to be, which again how it works.
Obviously they had like this this interesting uh uh what
what they claimed was this was essentially a decidaria which

(02:56:52):
I don't know exactly how to pronounce it, but that's
the name of the perfume that they were using utilizing
to get gradually erase the memory of those who were
wearing it. And of course they're unaware of the effects
as they apply the perfumed daily and so this is
where that's what provided them with the significant gaps in
their memory. But either way, this is all unique to

(02:57:14):
this island's flower and most of every single aspect of
what they're consuming while they're on the island and attending
this sort of lavish lifestyle is apparently kind of like
spiked with this specific flower that induces the amnesia. But

(02:57:34):
to me, it all sort of. Again, it provides me
with a direct connection to the Devil's breath and scopolamine
and the psychopath machine. And what's very interesting is that
it's been called like the the zombie drug in a
certain way because you lose all ability to engage in
free will and you lose your memory. Well, yeah, it's

(02:57:58):
very strange. This is again, this is like it's utilized
to to Essentially, it has these hallucinogenic effects for sure,
but it's it's far more than that. I mean, this
is it's a fascinating dreamlike effect that it has on
on the individuals who who utilize this. Uh, and it

(02:58:18):
can be like in very trace amounts to it's extremely Uh.
It's it's very interesting how potent scopolamine seems to be
in terms of how it's utilized and especially in criminal
cases in South America. But so basically it's it's uh,
essentially it's for the most part Columbia, you know, is

(02:58:39):
where you kind of find like the vast majority of cases.
But you'll still find it in the UK as well.
But uh, but yeah, again it's it's something that to me,
beyond erasing your memory, it allegedly disrupts the call in
a what is it callin nergic system, which is central
to memory formation and retrieval. So as a result, it

(02:59:03):
causes temporary but severe memory loss, and this is why
it's been weaponized in crimes consistently, and so basically many
different studies claim that it increases oxidative stress in the brain,
compounding its effects on cognition, which again it's like is
very interesting how it actually affects the individual whenever it's

(02:59:25):
used in certain different forms, powder form, you can place
it in the drink, you know, in a just spike
a drink as well, you know, clearly, but so scopolamine
devil's breath. It clearly has been utilized for recreational and
occult purposes as well. But it has the effects right

(02:59:48):
being studied as a truth serum in interrogations in the
early twentieth century, so that's sort of the history of scopolamine,
but the investigations were halted due to extreme side effects
and Ingestion of scopolamine can render a victim unconscious for
twenty four hours or more, and in large doses it
can cause respiratory failure death. The most common seems to

(03:00:12):
be in Colombia, as I mentioned where unofficial estimates put
the number of annual scopolamine incidents at approximately fifty thousand,
and there was even like the Overseas Security Advisory Council,
they issued a public advisory that was published in the
US in twenty twelve stating that a lot of the

(03:00:35):
most common and particularly dangerous methods that criminals were using
in order to rob their victims is through the use
of scopolamine and that it most often was administered in
liquid or powder forms and foods and beverages, and the
majority of the incidents occurred in nightclubs or bars, and
it was basically these sort of honey traps, right, they

(03:01:00):
would utilize attractive women to lure these these wealthy men
into place and essentially then dose them with scopolamine and
UH and then take them so basically to claim his obviously,
like the victims of scopolamine should Apparently, it was like

(03:01:21):
between thirteen percent of emergency room admissions throughout ninety eight
to two thousand and four in South America and Colombia
was for poisoning with criminal intentions utilizing scopolamine, and this
as far as thirteen percent of scopolamine use, and there
was a Clinic of Bogata, right, which had been apparently

(03:01:45):
scopolamine had been attributed to thirteen percent of the emergency
room and missions and it was all for criminal intentions.
And so then you had apparently the most common use
of scopolamine being that the person would poison be poisoned
by a thief who would give the victims scopolamine laced

(03:02:07):
beverages in the hope that the victim would become unconscious
or unable to effectively resist the robbery and then he
would just take them up to an ATM and they
would essentially be entirely devoid of free will and just
hand over, you know, every last cent in their bank account. Wow. Again,
it's just when you find out the actual use and

(03:02:31):
application of scopolamine at a clinical level. And then also
for the mind control aspect during the psychopath machine, it
was all about association, and so they would have like
they would have test subjects that weren't showing they didn't
have any real characteristics or social traits of a sociopath.

(03:02:52):
But that was why they were sort of targeted and
prioritized because they would then they would essentially hatch they
would basically they would handcuff you to a sociopath naked
in a in a in a room that was extremely small.
They would call the uh uh I believe it was.
It was what it's very interesting. It was something the capsule.

(03:03:16):
I can't remember what the true name that they would
that they would utilize for it. But it was very
interesting because it was all about not only solitary confinement,
but then they would actually, uh, you know, tie you
together with an actual legitimate sociopath that had committed child
murder in the past and and raped a child, you know,

(03:03:36):
and and uh, let's say Peter Woodcock is a good
example of that at Oakridge, and they would just attach
him to some young naive kid with very little criminal
record whatsoever that had extenuating circumstances that led to his
incarceration and his criminal charge, just to see what would happen.

(03:03:57):
The Social Therapy Union Unit, that's what it was called.
But it was they also had this strange capsule that
they were utilizing called the total Encounter capsule, and it
was it was honestly, it was. It was some of
the most just sinister abuse you could imagine. And it

(03:04:17):
was all being state funded in Canada at the time
under doctor Barker in the Montreal experiments. But uh, you know,
at some point we'll have to to discuss a little
bit more of the details of that. But I'm telling you, man,
once you discover sort of what was the name of
that case, that's called the Oakridge So it's basically it's

(03:04:40):
called the Oakridge Facility and in Canada. But Steve Smith,
he wrote a book called The Psychopath Machine, right, and
it's all about his time at Oakridge after he was
as I mentioned, he was sort of apprehended after after
becoming just like an eighteen year old hippie that was

(03:05:00):
crossing the country and yeah, dropped acid while he was
while he was in custody, and oh yeah, that's yeah.
That essentially led the authorities to claiming that he had
a schizophrenic break and he was essentially a psychopath. And
so it paved the way for him to be one
of the vulnerable victims that would be used utilized as

(03:05:23):
a test subject deliberately tied to sociopathic maniac you know,
serial killers, just to see what would happen in these
closed encounters and and on on these insane psychoactive drugs
like scopolamine. And it was far more than that that
they administered at Oakridge, Scopolamine was just one of them.

(03:05:47):
But if we ever do like I think, the next
time that we do a show, I should legitimately focus
on at most like three subjects so we can pry
a bit deeper below the surface at a level that like,
at least it will you know, lend credibility to the
overall case itself, and maybe, you know, I think, expose

(03:06:08):
more people to just the unfortunate. As we mentioned, the
devil's in the details. And once you expose yourself to
just at least the what matters most in terms of
the details that should be prioritized in some of these
criminal cases, and it becomes undeniable. You realize the sort
of clandestine operations, how they function, how they're facilitated, how

(03:06:31):
there's no real reason to engage in this sort of
political structured power paradigm and believe that you'll make any
real difference in terms of the overall dystopian consequential outcome
of the system itself. These cases specifically prove that out
to be the case, and that is when you have

(03:06:52):
to kind of come to terms and reflect on your
own ideology and what you believe to be, you know,
the structure of modern society. And only then can we
start to kind of peel back that naive, vulnerable veil
that clouds our vision makes it almost impossible for us
to engage objectively in a way to where we don't

(03:07:13):
set ourselves up for failure. And I think that's another
aspect of the demoralization campaign. What happens if every four
years you're convinced to re engage in the current structured system,
and then spend the next four years justifying your terrible
decision and right and all the while, all the while,

(03:07:33):
you're enduring this sort of totalitarian tiptoe that inevitably occurs
each and every administration, no matter which power cabal and
political party is in office. So yeah, anyway, no.

Speaker 1 (03:07:45):
Brother, it's awesome. Man. Every time I have you on
the show, did you absolutely kill it? Man? I don't really.
I love the conversations that we have when we do
kind of end up bouncing around because we're just provoking
each other's thoughts and this is how it goes. Man.
But every single time we I've gotten great feedback. The
audience loves it, you know, they enjoy it every time,

(03:08:06):
you know, you come on the show. This is your
second time, but there's gonna be many more in the future. Man.
And I want to say this, man, that you bring
not only just a codex of information and just a
wealth of knowledge and wisdom, but you bring awareness. And
it's important with the reality that we live in and
the things that we're up against and you know, just

(03:08:28):
the things that we're we're faced with in this life,
that you bring awareness, which will be a spearhead at
the end of the day, at the end of the night,
wherever you're at, it'll be a spearhead to help rebuild, right,
rebuild truth, rebuild you know, people from unplugging and realizing

(03:08:52):
you know, wow, this is this is right, this is
He's onto something. You know. Where the awareness is brought
back onto the table, people can start to come alive
again and assess what's true and see what's bull crap.
You know what I'm saying at the end of the day.
And it's great, man, And I really appreciate you a lot, Man, I.

Speaker 2 (03:09:14):
Do to Steven. I'm telling you, I can't thank you enough, dude. Honestly,
it really means the world to me that you have
me on and then just again, I feel like our
dynamic will only improve going forward. And I think that's
what's so beautiful about this sort of, you know, just
network of like minded individuals that we're attempting to kind

(03:09:37):
of further reinforce just by collaborating more and more, but
not collaborating for no reason. Like I would like to
think that what we're attempting to do is pursue something
worthwhile and essentially just exercise the ethical principles that we

(03:09:58):
hold dearest and true to right Just honestly, I feel
like at every level, our souls are in jeopardy, and
it's this spiritual battle that's playing out that I think
it's become necessary to surround yourself with people who they
have beautiful and pure intentions and their heart's in the

(03:10:19):
right place and they're attempting to learn for themselves. This
is a process that we're all just trying to expose
ourselves more and more to the truth and these these
various details that might help add to this current experience
to where we can hopefully engage in this in this
just in reality with reality in a way to where

(03:10:39):
we can only at the very least, I think we
can only pursue something where we sort of are working
in terms of the solution itself, right, and so at
the very least, I think we will only wind up
in a better place by pursuing these ideas, because it
kind of arms us with the ability to once again
wade through the mass manipulation and deliberate deception that is

(03:11:03):
intended to cloud our vision and have us embrace these
inverted moral uh you know uh principles which which which
clearly I think that is when your soul is most
at risk. And and that is another reason why we
should spend our time having conversations with people we know
have the best of you know, as far as I

(03:11:24):
feel like you have my best interest at heart, and
you're only again attempting to learn things for yourself and
help add that to your arsenal of tools available to
yourself psychologically to where you can make sense of all
of this, but but not being some sort of you know,
feeding yourself this mass illusion and participating in in this uh,

(03:11:49):
in this very sort of low frequency vibrational uh you
know field where where we're unable to come to terms,
you know, with with what I think is very much
the path of least resistance that everyone else seems to
be on and I hope to reject and and uh
and you know, pivot away from it every at every turn,

(03:12:10):
because that is the soul trap that is being laid
for us to clearly, I think, raw us of what
we're supposed to actually experience while we're here, you know.
And and and that is the beauty in this world. Yeah,
I talk about all of this darkness, but I talk
about shedding a light and spot, you know, attempting to

(03:12:31):
shine a light into that darkness. And at the very least,
you know, if there's anything I can hope to accomplish,
it's that through exposing the plight of these vulnerable victims
who have no real protectors, maybe you know, an additional
individual who's exposed to this line of information will wake
up to the reality we exist. And and and if

(03:12:53):
that is all I accomplish, thank God for it, you know.
And and I'm not saying that it's even you know,
me person only that's that that should be, you know,
obviously given the credit. That's not my point at all.
I just think that that's that's what I'm hoping for,
you know, because in that sort of just I think

(03:13:16):
that mindset that I'm attempting to embrace at the very
least the attempt itself is on the proper path. And
and again I've said before going on with with todp
and Raven on Indias, like I was really thinking through
it and through objectively pursuing the truth, you find God.
Like that's my experience, and that is why, like I

(03:13:39):
was never I didn't start this considering I would find
myself more open minded to and and more just like
I've never felt closer to God in my life, you know.
And and a man, it's just a strange position to

(03:13:59):
find my self. And you know, it's it's it's uh,
it was unexpected and I couldn't be more grateful, you know.
But I think that's the reason. And you know, I
got nothing belove for you, man.

Speaker 1 (03:14:10):
I love you, love you, man, listen. I think what's
really important too, is that we talk about all this
darkness and the people affiliated with it and their agendas
and kind of how they perceive the world. They hold
a different kind of moral structure. Uh. At the end
of the day, I think they're working on developing themselves

(03:14:33):
in this godhood to where their morals are what they
say it is and they don't care what God's morals are, right,
we know that the overall construct of the universe, the
earth and who's here, those moral structures are come from God. Like,
we know it's bad to do this. We know it's

(03:14:53):
bad to do that. It's obvious it's built into our
DNA structure right as human beings. And for example, this
is what I use. I'm like, you know, Hitler had morals, right,
Hitler had morals and he thought he thought, you know,
it was good to do this, right, but it's obviously
not the truth. Right. So but brother, I appreciate you

(03:15:15):
for coming on, I really do, man, And I'm excited
for the next episode that we get together. Uh and
I'm I'm hoping that we can get Jesse Taylor one
of those guys with the way that their schedules are
it's really kind of crazy, but hoping that they'll join
us as well. Man, But for the audience, can you
please just let them know where they can work?

Speaker 2 (03:15:36):
Yeah? Absolutely, man, I think the best place really is
just patroon dot com, slash down to Class podcast to
support me. If you have the means too, and anything
I've ever said resonates with you, then by all means.
Obviously I appreciate it and I couldn't be more grateful.
But beyond that, yeah, guys, just just check out sort

(03:15:58):
of my most of my solo pro project, all of
my solo projects are under the Underclass umbrella. Obviously many
of my interviews have have been published recently under there
as well. But yeah, beyond that, I mean, really, my
Patreon is the best place because I have a paywalt
show that actually provides some incentive there for your support.

(03:16:20):
But beyond that, I just feel ultimately, I feel very
grateful for the sort of path that I find myself
on in this moment, and I'm very proud to you know,
just again continue to add to the sort of Again,
I feel like you just are one of the other

(03:16:40):
individuals who are like minded and and mean well and
and to me that provides me with hope, It inspires me.
But it's also it's a beautiful thing to be a
part of. And I couldn't be more appreciative of the
experience itself, because again it's it's given me not only purpose,
but I'm desperately passionate about all of this, and I

(03:17:03):
think that you know any of this strange cases that
I cover. I've tried from day one to listen to
my gut and go with what I feel like the
direction that I'm being pulled in spiritually in a certain way.
It feels like that is the direction I try to
lean in. I only hope I continue to, you know,

(03:17:26):
take that path, because it feels like it's it's it's
been the right way to approach all of this. And
and so again I'm very grateful and thank you again, Stephen.
Like I love having these conversations, and I hope the
next one I can I can try and like iron
out certain ideas to a little bit more of an
efficient and effective way only for the for the level

(03:17:49):
of palatile, just being more palatable to the audience, because
I appreciate that I have this sort of strange mind,
but yeah, there certain frustrations that come with it, right,
and you definitely.

Speaker 7 (03:18:05):
I hear you.

Speaker 1 (03:18:06):
Man. So, folks, we appreciate you for tuning in this
long and we appreciate you all the time. But if
you want to support the show, make sure you hit
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drop a comment down below. We enjoy comments, man, and
especially with giving me and I'm sure others just the
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The comments really reflects all of that, and I love

(03:18:30):
the good comments, I love the bad comments. I just
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You can also support us on audio platforms as well, Spotify, Spreaker,
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(03:18:52):
we love it. We'll see you next time. S

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