#67. Reptilian/Spider Demon Encounter| Spiritual Entities| Health and Spiritual Connections| Hybrids/DUMS w/ Veronica|ChurchOfAnarchy

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Everybody? All right? I gotta I gotta give him some
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
But joining us tonight is Veronica. Veronica Is.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
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(01:29):
thank you for coming on. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yeah, thanks for having me. I really appreciate it. Happy
to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, this is gonna be a lot of fun. So
for the audience, if you could just give a little
intro of yourself and you know you're where you do
all your content creation and what that's all about.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah, my name is Veronica. I'm with the Church of Anarchy.
Kind of started with just an Instagram sharing meme page,
so that I've been running for quite a while. And
that's all right now it's uncensored Church of Anarchy Instagram.
That original Church of Anarchy got zucked back when a
bunch of the accounts got taken back at the last

(02:04):
election cycle. So there is another Church of Anarchy Instagram
account that I've dropped some artwork on and then you
can find me anywhere. Hashtag Church of Anarchy started a
TikTok I'm on X yeah, a couple other platforms, but
anywhere you can find me church of hashtag Church of Anarchy.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
It's me nice.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
What got you into starting an Instagram page with.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
All that ress relief?

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Oh, no doubt, I hear you that just.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
This world is crazy and just really frustrating. You know,
I've always been interested in social issues and politics, and
for me, Jesus was always like a really big role
model for me. I kind of grew up in the
Catholic Church. My family wasn't Catholic, but I went to
the Catholic Church anyway, and I learned a lot. And

(02:53):
my biggest takeaway from that was that Jesus was like
the most based anarchist out there. So, so the whole
Church of Anarchy thing, it's kind of a nod to
viewing Jesus as a role model as an anarchist anarchists
take and it's kind of evolved a little bit more

(03:14):
into understanding more about what a personal relationship is with
Jesus is all about and about. I mean, anarchy is
it's without rulers, and it's not just without governmental rulers.
It's not just not being ruled by all the corporations
and all the corruption and all the evil in the world,
which is you know, something just frustrates me to no end.

(03:36):
But it's it's not being ruled by the princes and
principalities of this world. It's not being ruled by the flesh.
It's not being ruled by the pressive force of the
pressive forces of all these entities that we usually cannot see,
but that are there and that get into our head
and interact with us when we're unknown. It's just it's freedom,
freedom from all of all of those all of the

(03:59):
fallen and that there are out there.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, you know, we really do.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
We don't wrestle against flesh and blood. You know, the
Bible's pretty clear on that, right. And there's these spiritual entities.
It seems to be like there are these forces that
are manipulating and controlling the motion of things in the
world today. Especially you see it through government, you see
it through political you know, leaders, it seems like they're

(04:22):
I don't know if they're actually doing deals with these things.
Maybe you have a different perspective on that, but I mean,
that's not all of.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Them, not everybody, but at higher levels. I think the
higher you go into, the higher the level you go,
the more deals that are being made.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
What what makes me think is that building that's in Kazakhstan, right,
which Kazikhstan is like this new World Order city if
you think about it, like symbolically, you know, And there's
this big pyramid building that they have. I don't know
exactly what it's called. Someone drop it in the comments,
but I'll give it a good Basically, is at the

(05:00):
top are you talking about that? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Is it Likestan something like that? Or is there more
than one of them that we're thinking about?

Speaker 2 (05:10):
I think you might be right. I think it might
be turk Menistan? Is it? I could be.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, it's like the Permid building and at the top
there's two hundred seats what they call that. But anyways,
symbolically and just how how I perceive that just initially
is like, okay, this seems like a global leader uh
rendezvous where they all kind of get together and maybe

(05:36):
have a meeting with I don't know what you know.
So it's it's all weird stuff anyway, Okay.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Is it called the Palace of Peace and reconciliation. Yes, yes,
where's that? Look so what city is it this is
located in? I looked up. Oh dang, who's that? Was
a lending bolt? All lightning? It's terrible. So I believe
you were right. I clicked on the link. Yeah, I

(06:07):
think it's Kazakhstan. Let me see. I'm scrolling down. I'm
almost there, and I don't know. Oh gosh, I think
it's Kazakhstan. Okay, yeah, buildings, buildings in yep, Kazakhs. Y Yeah, yep,
you're right. You're right, Stevie.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
But Ellis I agree with you, Veronica, one hundred percent.
I do think that this is a thing that happens
behind closed doors with these political leaders and the elites
and the the protective family bloodlines of you know, Caine.
I definitely think that they try to marry within each other,
and I think that they try to, you know, control

(06:47):
their aspects and what they can out of, uh, what's
with whatever is within their span of control. That is
what they focus on. And that one thing is is
like the blood lines. That's something that we talk about
a lot in this show. But I wanted to ask
you this, so you're you have a background in the faith,

(07:07):
you talk about anarchy, anarchy which it resonates with me,
right because the you know, God, the spirit of God,
it's all about freedom. And this this whole thing that
we see in our reality, to me, is just a
bunch of theater. I think that the people are related

(07:27):
to as sheep, you know, and and they're very easily
manipulated and corralled. What's what's your perspective with what's going
on in our world today, like with all all the politics,
all everything going on.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Right, Yeah, I think it's a lot of theater, and
I think a lot of it is just made to
distract us. I think it's it's to divide us and
have us fighting against each other instead of realizing where
the real to me and the real problems lie. And
it's to keep us distracted, keep our hearts and minds

(08:06):
distracted away from Christ and onto all of this politics
and theater and drama. You know. They say, what we
spend our focus on, and spend our time on, and
our attention on, and I know I'm perfectly guilty of
it myself, is what we are worshiping. You know, if
we're focused so much on oh the president, this and
the President that, and you know, these leaders this and

(08:28):
this corporation that, and just focusing all of those emotions
on it. We are giving our worship to these fallen
entities rather than keeping our focus on the Lord above.
And you know, and if the enemy can keep us
distracted away from what really matters, which is Jesus, then

(08:50):
the enemy has won.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yeah. Yeah, I completely agree with you. Do you believe
in the concept of stealing loosh? Have you heard of that?

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yes? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:59):
What do you think about that? Like, because because I
you know, I think about it because it's like, yeah,
you know, idolatry is a son of a gun, and
it's like, you know, people get in these these tribalistic
mentalities where they you know, they're practically worshiping Trump or
Obama or Kamala, whoever politician it is, or even sports,
you know, even your favorite football team. But what do

(09:20):
you think about the whole loosh.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Concept that they're like feeding off our these entities are
feeding off our energy. Uh? Yeah, for sure. I think
it makes a lot of sense. I think that there's
other dimensions, and not just one spiritual dimension. I think
there's many other dimensions. I mean, math and science will
say there's what eleven or twelve different dimensions, so they

(09:43):
can mathematically prove. And I think that there's things going
on in those other dimensions that we can't see it.
We can't necessarily feel it or sense it with our
normal five senses, but that doesn't mean that there it's
not very physical and very real in these other dimension
And our fear is something that's a palpable thing, especially

(10:05):
in those other dimensions that these entities work in, and
they do they feed on that, literally feed on our fear, yeah,
and our fear and our anger and yeah, any any
any time we give ourselves over to those emotions, being angry,
being fearful, we are feeding the enemy. We're building or

(10:25):
making the enemy stronger and stronger and giving them their
food that they need for sustenance.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Absolutely, And it's like fear is I think that priority
of the emotions that they feed off of. I think
they feed off all kinds of emotions. I think ultimately
they fear, They feed off of people not believing in
Jesus Christ. Like I think at the end of the day,
that is like the biggest thing that they feed off of.
There's a there's multiple movies that you know, have come

(10:52):
out where you get this concept of this idea of
feeding off of the system. You know, there's like the
movie Oblivion, right where artificial intelligence has deceived these clones.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
That are that it has made.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
It's like this whole matrix concept, right, So you know,
the artificial intelligence has created clones so that it can
indoctrinate and deceive the clone to believing that the end
of the world happened because of this, and that the
AI throughout the movie is going out and seeking the
rest of the survivors, right of the world that that actually,

(11:34):
you know is in this dystopian time period because of
the AI, and it's this alter it's this it's this
counterfeit narrative.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Right.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Another thing too, is like the movie that just got
recently released when I saw it with my wife, it's
called Weapons. But there's this whole idea of this witch
that is in this town that no one knows exactly
how is, right, like no no one knows how old
she is. But the thing is is that she starts

(12:03):
to die once she loses the ability to take over
people's consciousness. So throughout the whole movie, she's constantly needing
to feed off of new people that she's taking over
their conscious, you know, and feeding off their souls in
a way. They throw the stuff out in movies because
it's somewhat true, right, Like there's this idea of it

(12:25):
that really is a fact I believe at.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
The end of the day, Right, Yeah, I mean you
get into the whole ideas of like predictive programming, like
putting these things out in the media so to acclimate
us to these ideas or to tell us the truth
without making us believe that it's the truth. But being
that they told us it's off their conscious and not

(12:52):
their problem anymore.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
I think it's both. I think it's to make it
seem so far fetched because they put it in a
fictional movie, so it's like, oh, this is so, this
was in all the movies. It's far fetched. And then
at the same time, I've always said that too, like
it's to bypass the karmic laws, if there is any,
which you know, I always I always struggle with that
concept as well. It's like, what does that even mean,

(13:16):
Like what's bypart bypassing karmic laws? Like I don't know,
I don't know if I really believe in that anymore,
but I feel like now it's more to make it
seem too far fetched to the public. They're like, oh,
that wasn't a movie, that's not real, right.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah, Disney, So talking about like the supernatural, right, usually
there's things that happen in people's lives that really solidify
that belief to them.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Right.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
And I've had some weird supernatural experiences. Jesse has seen some.
I mean, we've had a UFO experience that now that
I think of it, Jesse, we've actually were like, in
a way being and this was before we knew any better,
but we were successfully you know, doing what's called called
the Tulpa effect, which is like an ancient Tibetan Buddhist

(14:04):
idea where if you want to go out and see something,
you want to go out and in a way like
meditate on it. Right, we weren't actually meditating, but you know,
your ideas become beliefs, beliefs become manifestation. This is like
their thought, and I think that's actually what kind of
took place. But you know, is there anything supernatural that
has taken place in your life to really go Oh,

(14:24):
you know, number one, we're not alone and we are
dealing with these supernatural forces.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Yeah, absolutely, I've had. I know there's a lot of
people that have had a lot more supernatural experiences than
I have, but I think I probably had more than
the norm. It kind of started when I was in college.
I started to experience really serious sleep prolysis, and there
was a few things that happened that I was not

(14:53):
the only one that experienced it. I was not the
only one that witnessed it. I'd either have a roommate
or a friend that would also witness the same thing
or similar enough that we could both pinpoint like, hey,
there was something else in here with us that wasn't us.
And you know, that kind of happened enough times, and
then I was really really sick for a long time,

(15:14):
kind of deathly ill, and I spent a lot of
that time partially I know, I called it on the
other side experiencing other entities, and they're like I would
just and that I had an experience. It was after
a routine flu shot. It just knocked me out and
I was like half comatose for about eight weeks. And

(15:34):
when I was like in this partial out of body experiences,
it was like the same like i'd felt it'd be
half awake, half asleep. I couldn't wake up, but yet
I was like aware of what was going on around me.
And it'd be like the same entities that I was experiencing,
like the two little friendly ones that were making me
feel like, oh, it's okay, and then like this evil

(15:55):
lady kind of over there, and an evil more more
evil man type entity for further way in this realm
from me. So that went on for a lot of years,
and you know, just having those experiences with those entities
and then kind.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Of did that start with the flu shot?

Speaker 3 (16:13):
No? Well, no, it started in college and I got
really I kind of got well, I started having these
experiences and then I got really sick. And there's still
some questions in my mind, like I would I would
pass out for like thirty six to forty eight hours
at a time, and up until recently, I thought I

(16:34):
was like, all right, I was just like that sick
that my body kuldn't function, and I had doctors baffled.
You know. I went to doctor after doctor after doctor,
and the most the closest answer I've gone is severe
allergies that affect my entire central nervous system.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
And coupled with like multiple chemical sensitivities and fibromyalgia and
uh asthma and anaphylaxis, so like all of those things. Yeah,
and you know, I got the pomer as a learned
to basically everything, which now I kind of think it's
demons and demons and things and I react to because

(17:14):
there's some times where like I would just I make
contact with something and I just had to like scream out,
and I felt like there was like these demons just
like trying to escape from me, and I just like
I couldn't not scream and ball and cry, and it's
just like I just felt like all these demons like
were inside me and just had to get out. Yeah,

(17:35):
So you know, and I'd fall asleep for thirty six
to forty eight hours at a time, and I now
question you hear about like all these abduction stories where
people miss large periods of time, and while there's no
evidence that like physically my body was somewhere else, I'm
now questioning what was actually going on during that time

(17:58):
that like I was incapable of waking up essentially, So
I was, Yeah, it was about five years I was
really sick, and then about ten years to kind of
start to feel better, and it was oh, the flu
shot was so when I was in junior high i
had it was okay. So my last detap shot in

(18:21):
junior high really messed me up. And that's when yep,
and that's when like as immediate pain. I couldn't use
that arm for three months, and like it's just immediate
pain in my entire body that has never gone away.
And there again, I went to doctor after doctor after doctor, like,
well this happened. I was shot. Oh no, that couldn't
have been that. That couldn't have been that. You're just

(18:43):
you're making this up. You're just hormonal going through changes
and and and so. Yeah, so that's when a lot
of my health problems started. Although when I was a kid,
I had some allergies and my doctor had always told
my mom, well, I'll either grow out of them, or
when I was twenty one or twenty two, they'd come
back and buy I mean the butt, which is exactly
what did happen.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
So yeah, I think that's a lie though, I mean,
I'm sorry to get into this, and Steve, you may
have to edit this out, but have you heard of
adjuvant based vaccines? I'm sure you're yeah, yeah, and then
this is where a lot of like RFK talks about this.
This is where a lot of allergies and severe allergies,
food energies come from as well. Because of the heavy
metals aluminum. They're designed to agitate your immune system to

(19:28):
so called you know, activate you know, a protection for
the vaccine that you're actually supposed to be getting. It's
supposed to agitate your immune system to activate that. But
in term, you know, depends on what you're eating and
what you're around. It might agitate something else and then
your body will react to everything. Right, Yeah, you come
in contact with Oh my goodness, that's so crazy.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
So do you believe that what I'm going on? Pretty much?
Even though the doctors told me that wasn't what it was,
I still stayed away from them until as in my
mid twenties. I it was kind of I don't know,
pretty sus the whole situation, but I was at a
doctor for you know, for getting acupunctures, my acupunctures, and

(20:12):
he was just one day insistent upon giving me a
flu shot and it's like I don't want it, yeah,
And I said I don't like no, It's like after that,
when I was like and he had four nurses came
in and two of them stood by the doorway, and
the other two came and held my arms and basically
would not let me leave until they broke me down,
until to sicken an eagle in my arm. And that's

(20:34):
I went down. They had it like revived me right
there and had my mom come pick me up and
send me home and and yeah, that's when I was
laying on her couch for the next eight weeks. And
when I finally started to feel better, we went to
return to that doctor's office and it was completely cleaned out, empty.
Like we talked to the neighboring businesses and they're like,
they just disappeared. We don't know why. It's like, I

(20:55):
bet I know why. Yeah, yeah, kind of weird.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Weird do you have like are you like a royalty
bloodline or after you it's going on here?

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Actually, yeah, there is some trace back to Queen Elizabeth
the second on part of my It's not close, it's
not close, but it goes back a ways that Yeah,
there is some some bloodlines back there somewhere that goes
back to like Danishcherylty and like I said, Queen Elizabeth.
The second that it's like thirty six cousins or something.

(21:29):
Whoa stupid like that?

Speaker 1 (21:31):
But yeah, well we know what the Bible kind of
talks about as far as medicine and uh, you know
pharmachea sorcery, you know the idea of what these things
do to our body. I think it's I think we
we don't understand that really, like we're looking through a
window of only what.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
We can see.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
We do these tests, we do these data analysis, and
all of a sudden, like we go, yeah, this is
the this is you know, maybe the adverse effect of it,
and but this is all the properties and this is
the benefits it can do. But what does it do
actually to like the blood to the life in the blood.
You know, like, are we in a way this might

(22:13):
kind of sound crazy whatever, but are we giving consent
over to things to now oppress us in whatever way
that it can? Like, are we giving it, you know,
the ability to interact with us? For example, I mean
when I got and did a I did an MRI
and they shot that die into me. Right as soon

(22:37):
as the lady said all right here it comes, I
felt it like go in the sight in my arm
and then all of a sudden, it was everywhere in
my body and me thinking, I mean I have a
decent idea of like what the circulation system of the body,
you know, is like I would only think that once

(22:57):
it enters in this area here going to travel like
a car on a road, It's going to go here,
go to the harbor, and then start to go throughout
the body. But brother, like it went straight everywhere. Because
I felt the burning station sensation everywhere. It was all yeah,
and I'm like, whoa. That did not make kind of

(23:18):
sense to me.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
I was like, what in the world.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
It's like it hit every cell immediately, and I was like, whoa,
how does that even make sense? You know, that's just
an idea of you know, I mean, we're putting all
these things in our bodies, people, aren't. I mean, they're
making trillions of dollars, billions of dollars off of, you know,
this area of life, and it's it's a multi billion

(23:43):
dollar business.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
And you would think that the.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Statistics would show less heart disease, less cancer, less this.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Let's that.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
But we actually had a guy on Trevor Lowman, you know,
he talked about that basically, you know, well. I brought
up the fact that, hey, medical malpractice is the third
leading cause of death in the United States, and he's like, yeah,
but when you combine that with pharmaceuticals and adverse events,
now you've got the first leading cause. And I was like,

(24:13):
oh wow. And this he's a neuroscientist. Whatever he's probably got.
He's got credentials that I don't have. Right, he's a PhD. Right,
you know, he's a PhD. He's educated, He writes a lot,
reads a lot, way more than me, So I mean
I trust him a little bit, right, So, but yeah,
I mean, it's it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
I think.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
I think the occult has normalized so much in our
day today that we just don't People can't discern it anymore.
They used to one hundred and fifty years ago, two
hundred years ago. When you put someone way back in
that time and then you put them into our reality today,
I bet you they would scream.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
When they left the house.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
They'd be like, oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. They
look at the McDonald's side and they're like, oh, no,
you know what that is, And I'm like, cheeseburger. Bro're like, no, yeah,
what it's from you know, It's just that's like because
there's that verse in the Bible where nothing has changed
under the sun. Right, nothing changes. It's the same repurposed

(25:10):
ideas that humans have. It's the same nine. Yeah, it's
Jesse's you know favorite verse there. It's crazy. I have
to ask you this, right, so so supernatural experiences troubles
My Boy with Karen Noor Radio Love. He released a
short A real right, a little piece of content of

(25:33):
you discussing a story pertaining to a supernatural event. Could
you unfold that for us because it's it was kind
of crazy when I first heard it. I believe it
because I think it's that kind of stuff is real.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
I have not seen this short, but I can hazard
I guess as to which story it's pertaining to. It's
probably my my demon encounters session as part of my
paranormal experiences. It's I'm not quite sure which way to
start the story. I could start it from so many

(26:08):
different angles, but I think I'll start it as so.
The past several years, as I started really focusing on
I had a lot of like personal like dealing with
a lot of personal trauma. Is just with my relationship
I was in causing a lot of trauma, just a
lot of abandonment trauma going on there, and just how

(26:33):
do I heal from this? How do I live with myself?
How do I deal with this trauma? You know, I
tried all sorts of you know, talk about your different
ways of healing from childhood trauma and different ways of
all the detachment styles, you know, getting into all attachment styles.
I mean I was really all that self help and
self healing and you know, the whole all getting into

(26:56):
the new New Age type ideology. I mean that's one
problem with like being an anarchist. No rulers also means
no ruling ideology. So you become really accepting and dare
I say, tolerant of other people's beliefs and ideas and

(27:18):
the way that they believe that the world works, and
you open yourself up to accepting that there's a lot
of different truths. And I got to a point in
my life where just like dealing with so much trauma
and it just a lot of hurt and a lot
of pain, and just like starting to get towards like
the down towards the nihilistic side of it, Like all right,

(27:42):
you know, everything can't be true. You know, I got
this person that I thought they were telling me the truth,
and here they were just feeding me a bunch of lies.
Like how where did I miss the red flags? Like
what could have I could I miss? Here? What am
I not getting? What could I have like gone back
and like seen and had known that this is just
a bunch of lives and not the truth, and just

(28:04):
getting really into a lot of like nihilism and like, okay,
either nothing's the truth or there is a truth. It's like, well,
I know the sun rises every single morning in the east.
It was like, there's got to be a truth. And
then that's where I really kind of started leaning Finally,
Jesus had already always been like a role model. It
wasn't ever taught to me to really have a personal

(28:27):
relationship with him. I mean, yes, I used to pray
to God, and I hadn't really prayed to God much
until I started dealing with a lot of pain from
this relationship. So I started praying, you know, started praying
more to God and starting to see Jesus. Jesus says,
I am the Way, the Truth and the life, and

(28:48):
I really leaned hard on seeing Jesus as the truth
and accepting that, Okay, he is the truth, and if
he is the truth, then I need to be working
on in this relationship with him and do it. That
it helped me feel fill this hole. I mean, you always,
I've always had this gaping hole of loneliness, you know,
especially in like a long distance relationship. And then when

(29:12):
the person that had promised to be with me for
our entire life was dating other people and just being
by myself and just there was a hole and I
couldn't feel it myself. And it was when I finally
started leaning on Jesus that I finally started feeling some
inner peace, you know, by myself finding some healing. So

(29:35):
through this process when I started leaning on God in
this relationship, there was one night, and it was after
his first affair, and I was really, you know, really
tore about what to do. You know, I'm probably way
too loyal for my own good, you know, wanting to

(29:56):
do the right thing, and I was really praying to God,
you know, he I was falling asleep. He was asleep
and just praying to God, like, please help me do
the right thing. I just I just want to do
what's right. I want to do the right thing here,
whether that's stay or whether that's go. So and I
just prayed really hard that night and then I woke up, well,

(30:16):
I was woken up in the middle of the night
with it just a really hard slap across my face,
and I jumped up, and my first thought was like,
all right, my my partner like rolled over and like
hit me on accident. And I looked and like the
way he was laying there was there was no way
he could have slapped me that way that hard, and

(30:36):
like me jumping up kind of woke him up a
little bit, and it was like he was a hand,
like a hand, a hand just smacked me this hard,
smacked me hard, hard and awake, and you know, and
there's no way. It's like I ruled out that it's
him on accident. So that was one thing. I was like,
all right, what in the world is slaping me here?

(30:59):
And so that kind of happened, and we're looking Louis
down the road here a couple couple of years later. Yeah,
since that happened, things are friendly. I thought going good.
I thought, you know, I thought we were doing better.
I was doing better. I was, you know, really having

(31:20):
Jesus in my life was just filling that hole and
making me happy with me, making me happy without depending
on a partner to be happy without depending on you know,
things going good to my job being happy without things. Yeah, yep, yep,
we got together.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Sorry to interrupt you. Was he also on board in
the faith of Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
With He was the kind that like I was when
we started dating, very tolerant and accepting uh many different ways,
you know, just yeah, when you don't see Jesus as
the only truth, you open yourself up to that, and
you know that's what you that's what you know. You

(32:03):
you value people being tolerant, accepting of all walks of life,
you know, and you know that that is that's a value,
especially in the anarchist community. And looking back talking about
red flags and talking about all walks of life. A
red flag looking back that I see now was a

(32:26):
red flag that I did not understand that all then
was I would ask for advice, and sometimes when I'd
ask for his advice, his response would be, well, do
what makes you happy? Mm hmm, And that always just
rubbed me the wrong way, and I can never It

(32:46):
wasn't until later that I could really pinpoint. Why that
rubbed me the wrong way? You know, you're saying, oh, well,
you know, it's not about what's what you want to do,
it's about your responsibilities.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Really is the worst advice?

Speaker 3 (32:59):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, So now I mean that's that's do
what thou wilt. Yeah, you know, that's that's exactly what
that is. When mister Alison Crawley here, you know, that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
And he had a lot of connections with pretty bad things.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Yeah, that I don't want to be I don't really
want to be cooperating with. So so yeah, so a
couple of years down the road, I am leading on Jesus,
I read I'll throw this in here. So when one
of my first kind of like actually like experiencing a

(33:37):
demonic entity other than what I told you before, this
is kind of a different deal. I was reading. I
was reading Gary Wayne's book Dennesis sixth Conspiracy. So I
was reading that and I was it's just a normal evening.
I was reading it. I was reading the chapter on
the Antichrist, and you know, I eat, I wasn't hungry,

(34:00):
I wasn't tired, I hadn't been on drugs, so drinking
or nothing. I was just there hanging out reading and
all of a sudden there was this I could feel it,
and then like in the spirit, I could see it,
this big black spider coming down. Yep. I could see

(34:21):
it peering into me with like glowing blue eyes, but
it was like hood it. It had a hooded cloak on.
It was really dark, glowing blue eyes, huge legs, big spider,
these legs probably you know, they came down to like
around my ribs. It came down, it sat in my head,
It wrapped its legs around me. I couldn't see it

(34:42):
in the physical, like if somebody else was there, they
wouldn't be able to see it.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
You were awake.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
I was wake, totally, yep, awake. I wasn't sleeping. I
wasn't you know, having any of my allergy issues, nothing,
just totally awake. The spy was just reading Path Anti
Christ from your friend mister Gary Wayne. And it comes in,
It sends down, it like peers in at me. It
sits on my head and just wraps its legs around

(35:10):
me and just it squeezes and I could feel it
squeezing me, and it was just like squeezing all of
the air out of me. And so you know, I'm
kind of I don't know. I still don't really identify
as a Christian because for many reasons, but you know,
as like baby Christian type, you know, I follow Jesus.

(35:30):
I don't want to take on an identity, especially baby
Christian type behavior. Though, what do you do? You rebuke
it in the name of Jesus Christ. So that's what
I was trying to do, is trying to rebuke this
thing in the name of Jesus Christ and try not
to have that fear, you know, you like, the more
it squeezed, the less I could breathe, the more fear

(35:51):
I was feeling, and I knew it is going back
to that loose I knew is feeding off of my fear.
And the more fear I felt it was like the
more I consented to it to being there and squeezing.
But I got to the point where I wondered, I
thought that was going to die. I started to like
seriously think that I was going to die because I
couldn't breathe and there was nothing else going on that

(36:13):
you know, would have been inhibiting my my air. I mean,
my kids are right there, they were breathing, they were
just fine. But like I was just like being toped.
And it took. Yeah, it took a while of rebuking
it and trying to not be afraid. You know, I

(36:35):
had to get rid of my fear and rebuke it
in then im of Jesus Christ enough times and it
finally it finally went away. But that was I. I
literally thought I was going to die that for about
thirty seconds.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Now when you say this thing was cloaked, like, what
did it look like it was? You said I had
blue eyes because spiders normally have how many eyesore?

Speaker 3 (36:55):
Right, I saw it kind of well, its face wasn't
clear because it was in a hood like the he
of it was. Is it like if you're wearing a robe,
like a hooded robe or hooded a hoodie, a hooded
jacket whatever, that hood comes down and around and it
was just a black hood, you know. I could see
like it had a hood over its head, so it

(37:15):
didn't like totally look like a spider, but had the
eight legs like a spider does. And because it had
the hooded cloak, and all I could see were like
two piercing blue eyes, like kind of like the blue
color of our names down here, it was like this bright, icy,
piercing blue, just like peering at me, just like piercing

(37:37):
almost threw me. And you know, so I couldn't see
the features of a space because it was just black
as it just black black, And it's like if I
had my eyes closed, I could see it right there,
like looking in at me.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
That's crazy. We've talked about the color blue a lot, Stevie.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
You do, well, there's a lot of connections with that
dark side of this, this whole part of reality.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Man. Blue is affiliated with that.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
You know, there's a its frequency is you know, within
six hundred and thirty five and six hundred and ninety something.
People claim it that the frequency of the color blue
is sixty sixty six, but it's not necessarily six sixty six.
But it does fall into that segment, right, it could
be of the freaking you could create a blue color. Well,

(38:22):
there's Blucifer right, like the Denver Airport. Blucifer. Blue is
connected with a lot of demonic stuff. What what the
story you're telling me? What it's provoked. My thoughts to
come up with are that I remember Adam Sandler came
out with a movie and it wasn't a funny movie.
It was like one of the serious movies that he's

(38:45):
he does yes or He's done, and it's able space Man.
And it's the fact that there was a spider in
the spaceship with him that can talk, that was manipulating
him to let.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Trying to be his gin. It was a telepathic communication.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Right, So, and I feel like they throw a lot
of crazy things in movies that, you know, we could
make a valid point about, especially in the spiritual world.
I found that interesting, you know, it's it's like, why
why does Adam Sandler choose a spider? You know, the
writers can come up with any anything to justify their
reasons right of why they do things, But like what's

(39:26):
influencing that? You know, that's kind of like where I
get at. But I think there's something with that. And
I love Adam Sandler. I don't like love him, but
I like his movies. My wife don't say that again.
It is like she likes the way he dresses. I'm like, dude,
what I dress? Yeah, she's like Adam Sandler, where is
you know, just basic stuff? You know, he's rich guy,

(39:48):
but he likes basic stuff.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Who likes the way he dresses? I don't know, dude,
I'm not a girl. I don't I don't bring he
likes the way he dresses.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
She she thinks it's like something that is a it's
something that is like a it's his character.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Okay, he wears XXL basketball shorts and oversized T shirts
that look like he bought it from a flea market
down the street. And yeah, terrible, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
It's the character of that he has all this money
and you know, he doesn't necessarily dress like all these
other people. But anyways, I think the movie that he
came out with, Happy Gilmour showed so much symbolism to
the thirty three, The Fallen and a lot of even
you know, supposedly like Satan's name was in there as well,
you know, because you know, Gary Wayne's talked about it

(40:36):
on our show before. Where Lucifer when it's mentioned for
the first time in the Bible, I believe it's in Isaiah,
and when you look at the Hebrew of that word Lucifer,
it actually says hall. But in the movie the guy
who is the guy who runs the what is it
the Old People Home in the first movie, and still

(40:59):
he's running.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Like a AA, alcohol abuse.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Whatever business. His name text as hell L and it's
it's just weird. They little things out, you know, in
front of us. But well it's funny because it's hal
L ben Schakar, right, well not in the Hebrew, but
but the ben Schakar stuff is is also connected with it.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Well, it's just funny because it's Ben Stiller. Oh that's
funny too. Ah, that's wild. Okay, I didn't think of that.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
I didn't think of that, but but yeah, Veronica wild story.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Sorry for the second way, but yeah, yeah, no.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
And kind of interesting. So since that's happened, I've come
across a couple other like people with testimonies or experiences
that included a big three to four foot spider that
they saw. I think that bell weis. Have you heard
his testimony of hell bel Wei's twenty three minutes in Hell. Yeah,

(41:56):
I look at that up sometime. If you haven't anybody
watching this, I highly recommend you'll check out is Hell testimony.
I think somewhere in there he mentioned seeing a big
three to four foot spider. And there's been a couple
other testimonies just here and there, So I think that
this probably is a creature that exists in and that

(42:17):
other dimension that we can't normally see because and I
don't think I'm the only one that's seen it and
had experiences with it.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yeah, yeah, so you had so you talked about you
had some sleep paralysis, so experiences.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Yes, well, do you want me to finish my go ahead?

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Sorry? Okay, Yeah, So after my little spider demon demon
things though, so that was kind of that. It wasn't
too long after that that this other experience happened. And
this is kind of the big one that kind of
blew put blue troubles away with with what happened here.

(42:55):
But so so with my partner, I you know, I
thought things were finally like coming good. I thought, you know,
we had plans, future plans, things are moving forward, et cetera.
He travels for work, He travels a lot for work,
which you know was part of the thing, like why
things have been so difficult for me, you know, because
I was alone a lot, you know, because he has

(43:17):
gone a lot for work. But you know, that was
just part of it. And I knew that getting into
you know, when we started dating, what his career goals were.
So anyway, so I guess the second to last time
that or one of the times before. It ended like

(43:40):
I just kind of got this really big feeling that
I was just like being with him. I was given
myself over, not being with him necessarily, but just that
I was giving myself over to something really really dark.
I could just feel something really really dark there. But
I hadn't totally surrendered myself to Jesus then yet either,

(44:05):
So I don't know when you're in like, I don't
know it's down, as down as many passed and as
crazy as I was, you know that you don't see
quite understand what exactly that means. But I could feel it.

(44:25):
So anyway, he was off on another job and when
he came back, it was it was late when he
got here, and and he came in, and you know,
I was sleeping, and he came in to you know,
like lay down and go to sleep, and hey want
to kiss me. And when he started kissing me, it

(44:49):
was dark. My eyes were probably closed, but with my
all of a sudden like it was him there. With
my eyes closed, I saw here coming at me was
the face of the only way I know how to
describe it is is a It looked like a plume serpent.
It was like this snake's head with big bulging eyes

(45:16):
and they were just like reddish yellowish, bloodshot, slitted eyes.
And the tongue was, you know, like a snake pushed,
you know, like wiggles or tongue in and out his
like when the hiss of tongue goes and it's slit.
And it was like a snake's head, but it had
like roughly stuff kind of you know, around its head,

(45:41):
like his plumes or whatever. And now I'm not calling
I pray for my ex every single day. I don't.
I don't want anyone to mistake I. Like, I didn't
talk about this for the longest time because I don't
want to come off as talking negative and badness, saying like, okay,

(46:01):
my mind, my mind. Now X is a serpent. You know,
I'm not saying that it was the emtity. It was
something that was using him to come to me, like
he had opened had that door open, and I had
opened that door and was allowing it access. And the

(46:22):
look that that serpent had on its face and its
eyes was the most horrifying look I've ever seen. The
look on its eyes just said it all like it
was looking at me like it was going to absolutely
devour me, devour my body, deviron my mind, and devour

(46:44):
my entire soul. And it was just like an evil, evil,
evil look that just says, you're letting me de borrow you,
and I'm going to do it for all eternity, like
it's just going to completely devour me. And well, I
pulled back. I'm like, okay, I'm tired. I'm going to

(47:06):
bed now. So you know, I kind of pulled, you know,
pulled out, and I was like, all right, that was unexpected,
a little intense. I think I just need to go
to sleep. So, you know, I went to sleep, and
then a couple hours later I woke up. I had
to go get a drink, go to the bathroom, et cetera.

(47:27):
So I went and did that, and then I came back.
I laid down. I was still awake, and I also
I just felt this presence in the room that was
just this heavy evil presence, and I just knew it
was the same exact entity. And then it was I
couldn't see it see it, but I could feel it

(47:47):
and I could sense and unless you've like experienced some
of the supernatural things, you might just think I'm absolutely
crazy by trying to say this, but like in that realm,
when that stuff makes itself known, you just know, you know,
you just know what it is there and what it is.
Your senses of it are so heightened that the awareness is there.

(48:09):
So it was the same entity. It was that plume
type cirpit. You know. It was like it started off
snake's head comes down and had like arms, is wearing
a suit but at its torso it went into a
snake's tail, you know, so as a snake's tail that
came up into kind of human esque type of humanoid

(48:34):
type ideas with the arms in the suit and just
the way it held and carried its upper part of
its body. But then it trailed off into snakestail and
it was hovering their kind of above the bed where
my partner's laying, and it was just you know, it
was if you stretched it out, maybe like seven feet long,

(48:56):
if you had tried to stretch the whole thing out,
but the way it was like holding itself, you know,
was like up and tailed back, and it's I knew
it was the same thing, you know, And in hindsight,
maybe I should have like asked it a question or two.
But but the baby Christian I was. I start just
rebuking that in the name of Jesus Christ. I'm like,
it's like the name it I rebuke the name of

(49:19):
Jesus Christ. You leave and you never come back here here,
you go off. And so I I rebuked it, and
you know, it left, and you know, and then my
partner went back to work and before I had seen,
before I had seen him again, he had broken up
with me, and he it left and it took him

(49:40):
with him. And then it came out that he had
been seeing somebody at his workplace behind my back too,
So so.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
No bueno.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
Yeah, no, no bueno.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
That's rough.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
And yeah, it's you know, just seeing that, and I
know it was there the whole entire time I'd been
dating him. At the very very beginning, there had been
an incident where he drank quite too much at one

(50:21):
of his friend's wedding receptions, and he and this is
the very beginning of a relationship. The things are great,
you know, and he suddenly I looked at him and
he was all combative with me, and the look in
his eyes like it wasn't him. They were dark and
it was like something else was looking at me, and

(50:42):
it was looking at me like I was the enemy,
and I didn't understand that. I was like, that's like,
I'm your girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Yeah, what is not there?

Speaker 3 (50:53):
It's like, yeah, it's like I'm here for you more
than anybody else is, you know, And yeah, it wasn't
him was. I now understand that it was that other
thing that was looking at me and it probably knew
that I belonged to Jesus and therefore I was the enemy.
And I think a lot of the problems we had

(51:13):
through our entire relationship was it was oppressing him, talking
into its head, you know, his head, and utilizing and
I had consented. I opened that door to allow it
to get to me. And you know, that whole experience
just really it pretty much forced me to understand, you know,

(51:39):
why the Bible is so hard about like not being
in unequally yoke relationships and to have God in the
middle of your relationship, because when you don't have God
in the middle of relationships, you open yourself up to
having entities like that in your relationship and you may
not see them, but they could definitely be there. You know.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Oh, I agree hundred percent. I think oppression is like
one of the most realist things that we deal with
as you know, believers every day. I mean, so, my
dad came and visited me for a few days, but
something was just you know, just put on my heart
to really talk to him about his faith, talk to
him about what he believes in. And this is a
guy that has coached me through my you know, he's

(52:29):
my dad, right, so, but he's coached me throughout my
whole life in sports, and there's this like competitive relationship.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
That we have.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
We can basically talk to each other however we want.
I mean, at the end of the day, we'll love
each other. But you know, I'm talking to him about
the Gospel. I'm talking him about Jesus. I'm talking to
him about his faith, and you know, basically, hey, like,
you know, there's one truth, There's one way, you know,
and it's this way. And at the end of like
or pretty much during the conversations, there would be like

(52:59):
these little tiny sayings he would say that I promise
you it wasn't him, It wasn't his thoughts. It was
more like something had had its hand on his shoulder
and was like moving him, like a puppet or maybe
moving his lips like a puppet. You know, I would
I would use a like For example, he talked about
Superman and I was like, well, Dad, Superman's kind of

(53:20):
like the typology of the anti Christ. And then two
minutes later in the conversation about Jesus, He's like, oh,
Jesus is Superman, and I'm like, oh, my goodness, Like
we just talked about this, we just talked about the
idea of Superman. And You're like, but it, like, wasn't him,
you know, I was. And but anyways, I think there

(53:41):
are these attachments that that they have on people that
you know.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
So, by the way, New Superman was terrible.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
I didn't see it. I didn't see it. I watched it.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
I've gotten to a point with those like all those
like Marvel movies and whatnot, like they tell us like
who the heroes are supposed to be and who the
villains are supposed to be. I think it's actually the opposite,
you know, if you dig into it, they're like for
the world, their heroes are the like the Fallen Angels

(54:18):
and all of these people that have superpowers, and their enemy,
the world's enemy, the you know, the world of like
the Devil's world is God is Jesus. So the characters
in these movies that they portray as the evil one,
as the one that's going to come and destroy it all,

(54:40):
is actually our creator, God and our Jesus, right, you know,
because for them, he is the enemy, right.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
And that's the subliminal message behind these things, right. And
what really hit at home for me that whole concept
where you're talking about is the movie Avengers, right, And
I think it was the first Avengers movie. When Theanos
was coming to planet Earth, right, he's trying to get
all the stones. But when he's on his way to
planet Earth, obviously you have the Avengers. They take they

(55:14):
unite on planet Earth. And their whole thing in the
beginning of the movie was Theanos is coming. They knows
is coming. Theanos is coming. They knows being the bad
guy in the movie. Right in the narrative and as
he's coming to Earth, they Nos references himself as I

(55:34):
am and I was like, ahh, there it is. They
threw that in there. They want to make God look
like the villain. They wanted to make him look like
he's the destroyer, he's the evil one coming and and
the Avengers being the fallen angels, they're like deceiving the

(55:56):
world that no, we are the heroes and we need
to fight again and you know, the enemy. Yeah, and
basically that's just kind of like that's the whole narrative
that we've been going through since the beginning of time,
you know, the fallen angel narrative versus you know, the
biblical narrative right the whole time. It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
So yeah, and I think they're really kind of setting
us up, setting people up. You know, it's a deception
they're trying. They're setting with those Avenger movies, among many
other things. But that's just one really great example of
how they are setting people up to accept, you know,
these fallen entities as they're superheroes. That's the good guys.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Do you think do you think angels are walking amongst
us today?

Speaker 3 (56:46):
Probably? I mean the Bible always, you know, tells us to,
you know, to be careful because we could be entertaining
angels unawares. So there I may have been people in
and out of our lives for brief I don't I
would think that if it's that type of situation, it

(57:06):
might be a brief encounter you know, I don't think
it'd be like your sibling that grew up with your
whole life is actually an angel. But I I have
no idea how many of them are here with us,
and I don't know how much they are interacting with us.
But I do believe there are the both. There's the

(57:30):
angels that serve the Lord walking amongst us, and there's
the fallen entities that if they're not walking amongst us now,
they probably will be quite possibly in our lifetimes.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Okay, So to that point, the good and the bad,
good angels, bad angels, the fallen, and you know, angelic
godly angels. There's there's a lot of people in our
community that will say that angels are merely messengers of God.
Now what do you guys, What do you guys think

(58:03):
about that? Because I think that's fascinating. I'm like a messenger. Now,
how many different versions of angel? How many? How many?
You know? How could that be interpreted depending on the language,
whether it's Hebrew or Greek. Could that be interpreted as
messenger merely just a messenger of God? So it could
just be a normal human being or are we thinking

(58:26):
of this as like some divine you know, light being
that's not a human.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
I think there's probably different kinds, right, you know, not
all angels are the same species as we would maybe
think of them, being like you know, the Bible talks
about other creatures like you know, the cher beam and
the Serphim and how you know they are the angels

(58:54):
that are like Ezekiel's wheel type angel, you know, or
the angels that like that go you know, they go
to visit a lot. I mean that they're acting like humans,
but yet people know that they're angelic, right. But I
also think that messenger is like a job title, and

(59:17):
just like we have different job titles, the angels probably
have different job titles. Like some of them might be
more warrior angels, or they might be guardian angels, you know,
just different types of job type of titles. And I
don't think that that's necessarily all one species species of

(59:38):
angel is they're all the messengers. There's other species is
all the warriors. You know, it might kind of be
spread apart, But I don't know. I think it's a
fascinating topic that I wish that I wish I understood.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Yeah, what do you think about this? Because well, you know,
we've had a lot of people in our community that
like blanket that. They're like, yeah, it's just it just
means messenger, and it's just like, I don't know if
that's that's all it means. What do you think about that, Stevie, No.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
I think that it's funny because when we see the
terminology for angels and how it's used, it seems to
be whenever angels is talked about, it's an angel from
God in some sort of way. But then when there's
other entities or you know, life forms right of creation

(01:00:24):
in the heavenly places, they may be related to as
bane Eloheen or sons of God or you know, the
divine council kind of idea where I think, you know,
Veronica is right because there's like this hierarchy system between
you know, these different species of creation You've got like

(01:00:46):
she set the cheruble in the seraphim. You know, there's
like a chain of command that makes sense. Like and
when I look at my job, a lieutenant is not
the same thing as a chief, and the chief is
not the same thing as you know, a division chief.
Like they're still called these certain things to help give

(01:01:09):
them a title of what they do and their purpose,
but it's it's I don't think it necessarily means.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
That this is what they are really are, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
And what I'm saying with that is, you know, I
think that when the Bible is getting into Genesis six
and the baneeohem, the sons of God came, took themselves daughters,
you know, made them wives, and then four children with them.
I think that, you know, it's a description of that

(01:01:42):
these were like it's like a meta narrative thing where
these were the sons of God, like these were the
first born, if that makes sense. Right, So when you
when you look at job, you see that the sons
of God were you know, singing with praise, you know,
as God was laying the foundations of you know, his creation.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
So they were created first.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Right, and Satan's in the midst of them, right, He's
moving in and out, you know. With with with this idea,
but I think it's like a some sort of rank
structure as well, because we see whatever goes on in heaven,
I believe happens here as well. It's just it's just

(01:02:30):
how it is, right, Like if.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
There is a chain of command in a.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Rank structure here within everything that we do you know
that's why people at their jobs they get promotions. It's
because you're moving up the ladder, you know, of the
of that kind of a system, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
Yeah, I agree with you. I think a lot of
what a lot of the structure that we have here
is a reflection of the structures in the heavens, you know,
and the way that it was created. And you know,
and I know that Satan has his own you know,
he takes those structures and probably perverts it, those God

(01:03:11):
given structures. But yeah, I agree with you that, you know,
a lot of the structures is similar probably similar types
of ideas. I mean, we're made in God's image, so
if this is how we feel we're called to structure
our organizations and whatnot, you know, with the hierarchy and
chain of command, and I mean I think there's plenty

(01:03:33):
of places where in the Bible kind of illiterate you know,
talks about the same kind of idea too, and you know,
talk about how like the the you know, the other race.
I mean, Timothy Alberino calls them the older race. You know,
they're kind of like our older siblings.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
That that's what I meant in that way, or as
the first born, you know, because when you really look
at that that concept of this meta narrative, we were
created after right after the creation of the heavens, right,
I'll just kind of generalize it with that, And in
a way, I do think there was like what causes

(01:04:13):
the rebellion, right, Usually when you rebel against someone, you're
super pissed off at them for for what reason? And
I think that's I think the reason why there was
a rebellion in that structure of the heavens, right where
God created us, gave us dominion, gave you know, we

(01:04:37):
were like the second child world, and I think that's why.
I think that's why you see that play out here
in the biblical narrative where you have you know, Esau
and Jacob, Right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
It plays out over and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Over and over.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
It's where the first you know, it's like it's like
Cain and Abel, right, Like Cain and Abel. Cain was
the first born, but he doesn't get that blessing. It's
it's obviously yes, he is the serpent seed. But but
the whole generalized meta narrative of it is that the

(01:05:17):
first is not necessarily the one that gets the blessing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
If that makes makes sense. I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
I think it's and it's all all over the place.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
But I mean even with like going like the the
the Jews, you know, the people of Israel, where God's
chosen people, they're the first ones. But it's the church
that's going to be the bride.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Oh that's another. That's another good one.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
Second, that gets the blessing right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
That that's I'm putting that one in my file. That
one I'm going to use in the future. Yep, that
one I'm definitely gonna use. So Ronica, I want to
ask you this, what is your what ideas do you
have about the UFO phenomenon and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
It's pretty fascinating. I've never had a personal UFO experience
that I know of. I found it which is interesting.
David Politis has done like the missing four one one
type of work, and he put out cluster maps and

(01:06:31):
a lot of them are like a lot of these
things where people go strangely missing, are in national parks
and whatnot. But he noticed that there's like this huge
chunk of the country where there's like no missing cases
and which is kind of directly over the Oklahaula aquifer,
which is where I am, and I kind of interesting,

(01:06:52):
is like I don't know anybody locally who I mean,
maybe people just don't talk about it, but I have
not heard any stories around here of like seeing crazy craft,
you know, or UFOs or anything like that. But then
other places, like people are seeing it all over the place,
you know. I mean, I don't know where you want
to start with the hydrid hybridization programs that are like

(01:07:13):
going on, and the underground dums that are are military,
plus these other species of entities, the fallen ones at
least creating a new species of humans, partial humans to
take over our birthright of this planet. Wow, or you
know how I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
It's really think about the current narrative that there's like
a spaceship on its way here, and you know what
is it called? What's that?

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
I do want to touch on the dumbs stuff, though
I do want to touch on that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
I honestly haven't. I've's that narrative has crossed my radar,
but I think that the sources it's coming from I
found that sus I haven't really paid that close of
attention because the space crap. Yeah, the seven mile the yeah,
the seven mile long just is.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
Like going straight to the propaganda. He's like, what do
you think of the fake stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Well, a distraction.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
And it's not something worth my time or worth my
worth my emotions. It's there there, it is. It's it's
something that's going to try to take our worship from us,
try to take our attention and our our It's digging
up fear and digging up loos that it wants us
to move to these fallen entities and are focusing on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Are you familiar with a project Blue Beam? Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
Huh?

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Do you do you tie that into it at all?
Which is which is of course I think the same
thing as what you're saying. I think it's just a
psychological operation too. Maybe it's a distraction, or maybe it's
just a full on operation, almost like nine to eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
Well, it's kind of I think. Okay, So I don't
want to say it's almost scary because I don't want
to be scared. But it is pretty discern or concerning
that we're really going to need to have high, high,
high level of discernment because something appears in the sky.
It could be Jesus and his angels coming to gather

(01:09:14):
his people, or it could be Project Glube, it could
be a total syop. It could be actual real life
entities that are either A working for our lord or
B working for our governments, or c have nothing to
do with us, Or it could be holographic projections. Right,

(01:09:37):
and you know it's I just we just really got
to pray for a discernment. You know that this is
one thing that you know, like I said, going back
to that relationship and trying to find that the red
flag and where is the discernment? How do you know
if somebody is lying to you when they give you

(01:09:58):
no other reason. It's like you got to test the spirits.
I mean, that's one other thing that really kind of
led me closer to crisis learning. How you gotta test
the spirits. You gotta if you ask them like, all right,
is Jesus is Jesus said? You know? Did he is
he God that came and died and rose again? Or

(01:10:20):
if they say he's anything other than that, Oh, he's
just a a sending master whatever they're.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
Going to Buddhist master. You know, this Buddhist knowledge and
all this, and it's so funny.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
You know who recently has been super tested and it's
completely obvious of who he worships, but it's Peter teal right,
or deal whatever you want to pronounce his last name.
But he's he's one of the one of the CEO
or not CEOs, but he's one of the creator founders
for uh Pallanteer, which is this dystopian style AI contracted
platform that's going to basically mantor track and control everything.

(01:10:56):
And it's not in just a national level that he
wants to do this. It's a global level and they're
already doing it in you know, other countries around the
around the world. But in these interviews, people constantly bring
up the the idea of the anti Christ, like, what
do you think the Antichrist? You know, do you don't
you think what you're doing for the world would benefit

(01:11:20):
the anti Christ? And he's he's like, so he doctors
up this ridiculous response which he twists and takes scripture
completely out of context, and you know, he's merging the
idea of Christianity with transhumanism. This is the idea of
like testing the spirits, where you're like, yeah, you know

(01:11:42):
this is wrong here.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
And it's so funny about these guys, Stevie, these guys you,
you know, for these how intelligent they are and whatever
academia they've accomplished, you know, whatever academic rank they've accomplished,
they are not intelligent as far as when they go
and say they take scripture out of context. It's like, dude,

(01:12:07):
it's very easy to look that up for the average
person that's not even of faith. You can look that
up and then.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Well they're they're morphing it and turning it in a
way to where it fits their narrative.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Right. But at the end of the day, that's what
it's all about, right. But it also at the end
of the day, it's very easy to see that they're
taking the scripture it's stupid. Well, it's not intelligent.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
People that don't know scripture and don't understand it, you know,
to themselves, then they won't really have that idea of
It's like every anything else. Right, It's like someone says
something it sounds really good and itches your ear and
you're like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Oh, yes, I used to use the line the and
I can't forgive me, but I cannot remember exactly what
Versus says. I'm sure you would know the book the
verse and whatnot, but I used to use this out
of context all the time. Jesus said that we could
we could do more, We could do just as great
works as he could, if not greater. And I used

(01:13:06):
to use that out of context because it really is
the Holy Spirit. That's the end of the verse. It's
it's like God is gifting you with the Holy Spirit,
and that's why you can do these things. But I
would use that out of context to you know, back up,
you know, whatever esoteric thought I had, you know, it's
just yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it's it's just crazy

(01:13:29):
to me that these guys like Peter Teel and all
these other smart guys say so much unintelligent things about scripture. Yeah,
and I've kind.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Of run into almost like the opposite of that, Like
so like my Instagram page, like I've been on there
for a while now, and my views have changed in more,
especially with my view on Jesus and like how I
eat him like a role model type versus like this
is my man, this is my personal relationship. And I'll

(01:13:59):
say things now that you know, support a relationship with
Jesus and people that like I've been following me and
I've been connected with their on there for years. You know,
they've known me on there for years. They'll be like
shocked to be like, that is the most brain dead
thing I have ever heard. You say, I've suddenly like

(01:14:19):
gone brain did well, Yeah, because they don't want to
believe that Jesus is the truth. You know, they they
love a lie.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Science is their religion. Yeah you want to see one
plus one.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
Or their own intelligence is what they worship there. They
put their own intelligence on an altar and and they
worship that because you know a lot of people, you
know in my sphere, you know, they understand that science
is a religion. You know, scientism is just a religion.
They a lot of people do understand that. But but yeah,
it's their own intelligence and their own ego that they

(01:14:54):
stick on the altar and worship.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Boom and what does the Bible say?

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
But yeah, there's also other go back to go. I
would said, there's other scripture going back to the dumbs.
And you know what these guys are saying, All these people, millionnaires,
billionaires are building bunkers. You know, they're building their bunkers
and you know, getting ready for something coming and using

(01:15:19):
all their money and all their all their resources to
prepare when there is scripture that talks about how, you know,
these kings of the earth will hide in caves trying
to hide from you know, the wrath of God and
what is coming, and they won't be able to hide.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Clip it, Stevie, clip it, clipp it right now. He
just had He just did a whole a great short
about that exact verse. Did he Oh? Is he gone?
All right? I didn't know he was gone. All right,
he'll see that when he's editing. But no, yes again, No,
you did great. No, it was is perfect. I can

(01:16:00):
guarantee you we're going to use that as a short
because Stevie just had a great clip of him talking
about that exact verse. And what exactly is that verse,
stev where everybody's trying to hide in the mountains, hide
under the rocks, but you cannot hide. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
There, And I think why they're doing this number one
is because they're trying to survive this cataclysm in which
they think it's a cataclysm, but it's the wrath of God,
and they're trying to somehow take fortress into the mountains
and survive this this whole idea, and who knows what

(01:16:37):
exactly they're fed of what this idea may be right, right, right,
They don't have to like look at the Bible and go, oh, yeah,
it's the wrath of the lamb. They can look at
as as something else, apophae whatever. Right, there's all these,
you know, ideas. But it's Revelation chapter six. See if

(01:16:59):
I can pull it up up right here, it's Revelation
chapter six, verse fifteen. And the kings of the earth,
and the great men and the rich men, and the
chief captains and the mighty men, and every bondman, every
free men hid themselves in the dens and in the
rocks of the mountains. And yeah, I think that's what's

(01:17:20):
going on, as it's pretty obvious that they want to
survive something. And when you look at the fruits of
what they believe, I don't think they believe in Jesus Christ.
So I think that they're trying to survive this, this
this idea of Fanos coming to the earth of some

(01:17:41):
sore right or whatever. And then this gets into like
the deep underground bases and stuff and the underground cities
and write this whole idea. But Veronica, you brought up
an awesome, thought provoking topic. As far as the dumbs
and them wanting to create or they are creating these

(01:18:08):
what would you call it, like, what would.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
You call hybrid race?

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
Hybrid race? Okay, yeah, so break that down for me.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
Well, you hear people are starting to I don't want
to say, blow the whistle, what kind of blow in
the whistle? You're hearing different stories from like Karen Wilkinson,
and she'll talk about her experiences and other people with
abduction experiences that were actually experienced a pregnancy that just

(01:18:42):
like disappeared, and there's even all sorts of it's it's
a somewhat common phenomenon apparently that doctors will like women
will be pregnant, like for sure, one hundred percent sure pregnant,
and then somewhere in third or fourth month, it just
the baby disappears, and doctors will just say, well, you know,

(01:19:05):
your body just absorbed the baby, and that's their explanation
that I guess scientifically, I don't know, maybe your body
can just absorb that baby. That's kind of weird and odd.
But then you hear stories from like people for like
Karen Wilkinson who recalled you know, remember some of their
experiences of being abducted and being impregnated or being utilized

(01:19:28):
to impregnate an alien type entity or I shouldn't call them,
I guess a crypto type entity, a gray or whatever.
I mean, there's several different species you hear about that
are doing this, the mantis species and you know the
Nordics and et cetera. But these stories where they'll have

(01:19:51):
babies that were just taken from them or disappear the
third or fourth month of pregnancy, and then they later
are reunited on the these abduction experiences with the child
that is theirs, and it's like a part. They can
tell it's their child, but yet something about it is
just completely foreign and completely off too. And this is

(01:20:15):
something that I mean, like the black eyed children. Have
you eat the stories about black eyed children? Well, I
kind of think that they are part of this program.
And as they started the program, they're getting these hybrids
that weren't very human like, and they couldn't really get
them to fit into our society. But I think that
they've been working on it and they're trying to create

(01:20:36):
a breed of hybrids that are human enough that they
can fit into our society and go as humans. But
when it comes down to it, they aren't fully humans.
They're working for the hybrids. But in the end, you know,
I mean you talk about how the earth was given

(01:20:58):
to us over the elder You know, humanity is this
is our earth, this is our birthright. And they're creating
a race of hybrid humans that would be human enough
that they would qualify for taking ownership of the earth
as their birthright. As they talk as humans into becoming transhuman.

(01:21:23):
So we're no longer human and we give up our
birthright to these hybrid entities that are of the seed
of the serpent.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
Wow, well said, I agree, it's crazy too, because have
you heard of the term homunculous? Yes, So for the audience,
I'll read it for them here. So, a homunculus is
a term with multiple meanings, most notably referring to a
little man or a miniature human. It can refer to

(01:21:54):
a distorted representation of the human body based on sensory
and motor process processing in the brain. In alchemy, it
refers to an artificial human created through magical or alchemical processes.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
So there's not a doubt in.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
My mind that there are scientists who are occultists, because
they again, last of the last of the occult What
was it like last of the Wizards or something.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
Firstscruci quote, it's the Rosicrusians said, we're the last of
the sorcerers and first of the scientists.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
Yeah, so pretty much like science is an offspring of
occult practice in my opinion. But it's you know, we
can back that up. But the whole idea of a
monkeylous is real, and they.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
Put it in movies. They put in.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
Movies all the time, especially you know, Jesse referenced the
New Superman movie. But the director threw in a character
in that movie which was an artificially made assistant that
he uh that that he created. That is the name

(01:23:07):
of the person is called mister Handsome. So let me
I got to pull this up for you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
So handsome, Yes, mister Handsome, I'll screen and share it.
By the way, And pregnancy robots in China. Reportedly, China
is working on designing a bot with an artificial womb
which will receive nutrients through a hose and it's abdomen.
I will soon be able to carry a fetus.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
So can y'all see this? So this is this is
a DC Universe wiki website, but this is mister Hans creepy.
Oh so handsome. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, looks
like that thing with my twelve gage.

Speaker 3 (01:23:50):
Yeah, it's just like the bullet just went like right
through it and it like global globous.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
Like right back into shape, right like it healed like
wolverine and you're like, oh goodness, it's got animentium in it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
This is not good. They definitely stepped it up, made
out of graphine. Its blood is graphene side.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
Probably, No, I do think that they have the ability to.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
To do this.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
It's been going on since, I mean a long long time.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
You have to understandate that was in Yeah, that that
thing was in Superman and it was rowing the boat
and the Elder the other world they called it. I
can't remember the term they had for you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
Oh jeez. Yeah, oh it actually says it says it
up there. But it's a concept that I believe in
because there's unethical scientists like working on this every day,
probably using our tax money to try and make it
happen as well. You know what I'm saying, Wow, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
First time. I mean the giants and Nepheline they were hybrids,
you know, they're just kind of going about it a
little bit different way. And you know, i'mdecided about how
long it's been going on. Whether you know, this is
since the forties fifties, or if it's been going on
for longer than that, I don't know, But from my understanding,

(01:25:24):
it's been like a program that you know that it's there.
They're learning as they do it. They don't have all
the answers, but they're seeking the answers to create that
perfect hybrid, and from my understanding, they're getting pretty close,
and that there are hybrids walking amongst us.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
M man, that's always been such a weird suspicion of mine.
There's just people every now and then I'll run across
and I live in Las Vegas, so it's just like
I'm in a really diverse group of people. So it's
like coming across weird people that look weird is not,
you know, abnormal really, but sometimes you're just like, Okay,

(01:26:04):
this guy's like a friggin' alien dude, and it's just like, yeah,
it's and I live next to supposedly I live next
Area fifty one too, so you know, who knows.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
Yeah, the whole idea of like genetic manipulation. What kind
of like made me really come to the conclusion of
believing in this idea of the Nephilim and all this
because there's a few different interpretations with the sons of God,
the nephilem all that, but I'm on the I'm on.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
The Nephileine train here.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
And because it's it when you look at when it
talks about Noah and it talks about that Noah was
was perfect in his generations, right, and Noah walked with
God that that word perfect is tommy yim or tom em.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
There we go.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
I'm glad it actually tells you how to pronounce it
tom em and it means without blemish.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
So there's this idea, you know, because we know that
no man is perfect, right, we know that no one,
we know that we've all fallen short of the glory
of God, we've all sinned, right, And that concept of
being perfect doesn't make sense to me. As far as
Noah being a saved, you know, believer in God and

(01:27:21):
that he was the only one left, I think it's
pretty understandable that he was actually the only one left
that didn't get his genetics manipulated.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
Right, So I mean think about what they're doing in agriculture,
you know, with all these genetically modified crops. I mean
those came out in the late nineties and it's a
big thing. And this is one of the things that
opened up my eyes. Like one of my allergies that
I really react to is genetically modified crops, especially corn.

(01:27:54):
Like if I ate GMO corn, it just my body
just rejects it. I get so sick, you know. And
there's more and more foods that they're coming out that's
genetically modified, and you know, living in the middle of it,
you just you know, you see miles and miles and
miles of these fields that it's just it's all genetically modified,

(01:28:15):
and then it cross pollinates with other things, and you know,
this Earth hasn't totally been overtaken by genetic modification, but
it's it's.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Oh, yeah, it seems like we're yeah, it seems like
we're getting there. It's it's funny they kind of alluded
to it in one of the last couple Jurassic worlds
where the corporation that's running everything in Jurassic World they
are growing crops that are impervious to these locusts, but

(01:28:47):
all the other crops around them, the local farmers, all
the other crops around them. These locusts just eat their crops,
but they don't eat they don't eat the corporation's crops.
And it's kind of alluding to the fact that, you know,
that's exactly what's going on today, is that there are
corporations right now that are genetically modifying these perfect crops

(01:29:10):
to grow lots of you know, lots of food, big corn,
big vegetables, and their impervious insects, and it's it's detrimental
to our health at the same time.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
Right, Well, it's almost like the what is it like
the the wheat and the terrors, right, You don't you
can't discern really between the two until time plays out,
and then you can see that one ends up bowing
over and you can actually go, aha, that's a terror,
that's a wheat.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
And if we're talking about genetics, I mean people what
five years ago took something that genetically edited their genome,
you know about the still amongst to us, right, so,
and then this kind of moves on down the line
to where it'll just be something else. Right's same general

(01:30:07):
concept because ecclesias ecclesiases one nine is like it's legit
if we have genetic editing now and we've we've had it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
In the beginning.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
Like it's just it's just that concept of hey, like
nothing is new under the sun. Everything is going to
play out in some similar fashion. Technology might be a
little different, or it might just uh you know, be
a different vessel that it's being used through or whatever,
but it's the same concept. It's just going to keep
going until you know, this place gets changed. Yeah, that's wild,

(01:30:45):
that's wild. I'm and I and I think I think
the the they're these people are not ethical. I don't
I don't think these people have morals or ethics at all.
If anything, they want to be God, which is nothing
more then that that same uh you know, beguiled spirit

(01:31:07):
from you know, the garden, right from the serpent.

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
They are children of the devil. They serve their father.
We are not all children of got you know, children
of the most high guide. You know, the devil has
his children too.

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's I believe that I believe
that disturbing. But it is a weird kind of crazy
concept wrap your mind.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
Around, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
And so I mean, even with just some of your
supernatural experiences. Thinking of the fact that you saw this
kind of reptilian humanoid being, you know, whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
It was, you know it took that form.

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
I can only kind of understand that, Hey, this is
a part of creation that's some in some.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
Way, you know. And and the fact that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
The serpent was walking in the garden and then it
was cursed that it wouldn't be able to walk ever again,
that it would crawl on its belly. Right, it's like that,
what's going on there? It's really weird. And the DNA
is what, right, Like, the DNA is the instructions that
tell everything what to do. Right, it's the uh, it's

(01:32:29):
it's what makes us human or it's what makes us
God's creation. And it's the one thing. Why is that
the one thing that they are trying to come after
or at least try to manipulate in some way. They've
done into the food, They've done to everything else. Now
they're coming after like the humans, and it's gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
It could get weird. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
They sprinkle it with all this kind of like you know,
this terminology that that you know sounds okay.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
Going to cure cancer therapy, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
And It's like when Klaus Schwab said it one time
in an interview. He's like, it doesn't change what you
are doing, but it changes who you are. Yeah, And
then I was like, oh my goodness, these people are sick.

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
Oh no, they want to defile your DNA.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
I really think that what they're trying to do at
the end of the day is they're trying to merge
our genetics with a beast system something something, because the
devil wants to be omniscipant, but he can't be. He
can't he doesn't have that attribute that of God. But
he wants to be like God. And in order to

(01:33:48):
really know what everyone's doing here on planet Earth, that's
a part of that beast system. He'd have to really
have some sort of hive mind link to you or
DNA in some way, shape or form.

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
You know, it's crazy to come through everybody's eyes all
at once.

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
Well, I'm thinking he's coming after the consciousness because I mix,
I mix like MK ultra concepts into this, and I'm like, oh, dude,
he actually wants to come after people so that they
never have the ability to reach salvation.

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
To make that true, what.

Speaker 3 (01:34:24):
The whole mark of the beast is it is going
to be something that alters your DNA and puts you
into this beast system part of the high mind, to
where you can't get out right right.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
I've talked about this every time. I mean, we do.
There's so many movie comparisons you talk about get out
where she just like she like starts stirring the spoon
and the tea glass, like the china tea glass, the
little porcelain tea glass, and then you just fall into
your consciousness and you're kind of just floating away into
the darkness.

Speaker 1 (01:34:58):
Now what that what that is is I think that
what they're trying to do with that idea, because I
think that idea is like they they cast a spell
on you and then whatever they can do with whatever
frequency that triggers it, it initiates it to turn on.
It's like flipping a switch. So what I think they're

(01:35:18):
trying to do now the next part of you know,
that evolution of that concept is that they want to
put technology some part, you know, integrated with us in
our bodies, make it a part of our our makeup.
And now all they have to do is just send
out that frequency and it hits that trigger and now,

(01:35:42):
so I'm gonna play something for you, bron Like, I
think you'll enjoy this video.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
What are you playing? I gotta, I gotta there's so
many things that I know. I got Smart Mark. Yeah,
I gotta do that. I gotta play this. You're playing
smart Mark this. I knew it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:02):
I love I love this this video it because this
like really lays it out and it's a kid's cartoon.

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
So it's a lovely.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
Yeah, lovely exactly. You know, it's funny. We laugh about
this stuff and it's it's almost comical, but it's so
disturbing at the same time.

Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
It is, so let me screenshare here.

Speaker 3 (01:36:23):
Sometimes you have nothing to do but laugh.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
I mean, what the hell else are we going to do?

Speaker 3 (01:36:27):
I'm sorry?

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
Yeah, okay, so we'll run it.

Speaker 4 (01:36:33):
Charter City is stunned by the sudden rollout of Rook Unlimited.
It's most fantastic device ever, the smart Mark. Throw your
other devices away because the smart Mark is more than
just a phone.

Speaker 3 (01:36:46):
It's part of you. Use it as.

Speaker 4 (01:36:49):
Cash, book your travel, and even shoot video. Distribution points
are all over the city and don't let the lines
discoverage the Rook unlimited smart Mark is worth the way.

Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
I never realized how wonderful technology could make me feel.
The smart Mark has brought order to my life.

Speaker 4 (01:37:14):
And the best part, it's absolutely free, a gift of
thanks to our city from rook Unlimited.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
Everyone's cheering has been given the smart Mark number one
time to test out system number six. The Flip Fighters
are out there somewhere teaming up with Jonathan Rule.

Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
I feel like that is the Antichrist, you know, number one.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
You should find the flex fighters. You how to find
the Flex fighters. We should find.

Speaker 1 (01:38:03):
But then when you zoom forward in this video, I'll
show you how they globally can.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
Initiate this hive mind concept.

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
It's like this five G frequency, this idea, you know,
because it's if you think about it, our phones are
connected to five G. Who knows what's six seven h
g in the future will be able to have the
capabilities of doing.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
Well. There's frequency tied to graphine oxide and the control
of graphene as well. Yeah right, I know, I know that,
and any of data behind that very easy to find.

Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
So what do you think of that? That video?

Speaker 3 (01:38:47):
Fornica Probably more tanas like how it's going to be,
you know, predictive programming slash. You know, make this idea
seems so wild that we don't really think twice about
it as it comes into play or gets as used
to it ahead of time. But yeah, I think that

(01:39:09):
it's gonna be something like that. I mean, you won't
see physically see those frequencies in the air, but then
we transmitted, and I think there probably already are frequencies transmitted.
I mean like when I was really sick, I was
super sensitive to any like electromagnetic frequency. I went a

(01:39:31):
whole entire year I couldn't even like talk on the
phone or be on the computer or anywhere near electronics
because I could feel it going through my body. Feel yeah,
it's sick, and it just like knocked me out, Like
if I had to make a phone call, it would
take me out for about like a week, just like
wa just like yeah, I just make you nauseous, sick,

(01:39:54):
really dizzy, lightheaded, just completely wipe me, take all just
be off of all the rest of my energy that
I had.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
Yeah, I hear you. I think that's why too.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
I'm discontinuing the lightsaber folks till I actually get a
bigger studio.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
Because I didn't notice these things like two or three feet.

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
It's like two feet away from me, and I can
hear like a little buzz coming off of it, and
I'm like, yeah, that's not good.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
For my brain. Dude, it's hilarious. I want to visit Stevie.
And I kept telling him, like, dude, move it back
a little bit, because I thought it was just like
a normal lightsaber, like a normal size. No, this damn
thing's like five foot tall at least. And I'm like, oh,
I get it now, it's like an abnormal sized lightsaber.
But yeah, no, that's ridiculous. Yeah giving off Wi Fi.

(01:40:46):
It's the crystal that's inside the handle, hyper crystal. Yeah, yeah,
that can give me a tumor. Is that what you're saying? Okay,
you have give many tumors riddled.

Speaker 3 (01:40:59):
Or rearrange all the stuff they've been injecting into you
and feeding you and make it rearrange into its own
little formation inside your body.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
And oh geez man, just dude, I've had a bump
on my I remember I told Stevie I have a
bump on my arm right here. And I told him,
I'm like, dude, just is this a micro chip? Like
I don't I don't remember exactly. It's like several years
ago I noticed this and he started telling me about

(01:41:27):
how if you get hit hard enough on they are
like on your body, like what is it called stevi
li pomo.

Speaker 1 (01:41:36):
It's like when you get you can get it from trauma.
I have them all over my my arms and my.

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
All over. It sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:41:45):
They say it's okay, So anyways, I'll live my life happy.
But anyways, when you get trauma to the fat layer
of the skin, it when they it, it disrupts, you know,
the the fat cells in the skin, and when they repair,
they'll sometimes clump up. And then when they clump ump
they get a blood supply, and now you've got kind

(01:42:07):
of like a just a normal, benign little tumor.

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
Right. And then and then when you get abducted by
you know, you know, insect like aliens, and they inject
you with microchips that will also build up a fatty
tissue around the microchip that the bronic.

Speaker 1 (01:42:25):
I want to I'll end it with with this last
question and we can talk about this topic. But with
the idea of of the abduction phenomenon, you know, have
you put any thought into this subject. Yes, what's your
what's your.

Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
Thoughts on it?

Speaker 3 (01:42:47):
Which way do you want me to go?

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
Because have you been abducted before?

Speaker 3 (01:42:53):
It could be I remember, but like I say, I
have huge chunks of time that or miss. It seems
to be like a bloodline thing that they select people.
Usually it's the bloodlines. You know, your your royalty bloodlines,

(01:43:14):
people who have Masonic or free Masonic backgrounds in their
families where it might have been a great grandpa that
dedicated their grandchild to them. Like they say, you know,
in the cult, you have to give a sacrifice, just
like Jesus is a sacrifice. The dark side has their

(01:43:35):
sacrifices too that they have to give in order to
to get ahead. So I think there's a lot in
the blood that we don't fully understand just with your
not just your genetic information, not just what your body

(01:43:58):
needs to survive, but it's like there's information in other
dimensions activated through the blood, and that carries on through
your blood from not just injecting things into your body,
not just from being born with certain genetics and a

(01:44:22):
certain bloodline, but also iniquity. Iniquity comes into the blood
and you know where when like Satan fell, like the
iniquity was found in him and that's why he fell.
And and can I kind of close this out with
another supernatural experience that kind of ties into this and

(01:44:44):
this is this is the best one. Uh So, after
all these others happened, I was praying one night and
just praying really really hard, and then my one of
my angels, so I kind of when I was really sick,
my angels are around. I have more than one, and
I need more than one apparently to keep me going.

(01:45:06):
But one of my angels is there is tell me,
like Bronica is just harder, harder. Just give your heart
to Jesus. Put out love from your heart and you
need to. And Mindel just told me, like more Vernica,
more more love. Open your entire heart to Jesus. Open
it up like it's a book, Like you invite Jesus

(01:45:27):
to come read every single page of the book of
your heart, and now the fine print, and now open
it clear up. So if there's anything like in the
creases of your book that he can read that too,
or like you know, a spinning rolodex or a deck
of cards, get every single that you're shuffling together, show
them all, Get every single one, don't miss any pages,

(01:45:48):
just more love, and like it's a lot of work
to put like love, to feel that feeling of love
in your heart and directing it directly towards Jesus. But
I could feel like my heart like spinning round and
round like that rolodex, like the pages of the book flipping.
And as I gave more and more love towards Jesus,

(01:46:09):
Jesus returned the favor and his presence. I could feel
them when his presence was there. And Jesus came and
his heart was doing the same thing. And as I
was given out more love, he was given out more love.
And he came with the books of his heart and
intertwined every single page of the book of his heart
into the book of mine. And it was just like

(01:46:32):
this complete merging with our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
He was there like the like the words cannot describe
how much love and peace and joy and just that was.
It was Jesus and he just intertwined his heart with mine.
He gave me a big hut, like a big hug,
and I could feel his arms wrapped around me, and
as he is hugging me, and then it brought open

(01:46:55):
up into a vision, and I was awake when all
this happened, you know, I was waking to prayer and
in the where he took me. So Jesus took me
to the top of a hill, and it was the
top of the hill, and I was looking around me,
and I remember those like old windows screensavers with the
lush green hills and the perfect blue skies with the
white clouds, like that's what the scenery was like. But

(01:47:15):
we were on top of the top of the tallest hill,
and there were some flocks of sheep just grazing on
some of the other hills. And I could see there
was a strong, gentle breeze blowing, and he had his
arms wrapped around me. But I could see like his robe,
his white robe, and his robe was just a brilliant white.

(01:47:36):
The color white is like satiny and cheeny and shiny
and the whitest white I'd ever seen. But he had blood.
His blood was dripping off his rope. And it was
his blood, you know, when he was crucified, he shed
his blood for us, and his blood it wasn't soaking
into his robe, it was dripping off of his robe

(01:47:59):
and is blown and his blood is dripping off, and
I could feel the crown of thorns. And I didn't
actually have a crown of thorns on my head, but
it was my head was bleeding as though I had
a crowd of thorns. At least I could feel it,
like I could feel the blood dripping down from my temple.

(01:48:23):
And as my blood was dripping down and his blood
was blown, his blood got mixed with my blood. And
I was given the information that he started talking about
the iniquity, the iniquity that's in the blood, and his
blood was cleaning my blood of the iniquity. His blood

(01:48:49):
mixing into my blood was purifying my blood of all
the iniquity, the iniquity of sin, the iniquity that's brought
in from you know, like I just said just a
minute ago, all the different ways that blood lying curses,
generational curses, Sin builds iniquity in your blood. And as
his blood is and I had to keep on putting

(01:49:10):
out that love. And as I kept on putting out
that love towards him, his blood continued to mix with
mine and it was making it was cleaning my blood.
His blood was cleaning my blood of all the iniquities.
And as it did that there in that other dimension,
that other realm, my blood was getting is getting a

(01:49:31):
lighter colored and lighter colored towards like a light. It
was glowing a bright light. And the more I loved him,
the more his blood mixed with mine, the more it
cleaned out the iniquities, the more I glowed that white light,
just the white light of the light of Jesus Christ.

(01:49:53):
And you hear you've heard other stories, especially like from
witches and whatnot, how they're astral projected and they can't
touch Christians or they can't see Christians in the spirit
realm because they have their enveloped in a white light.
I don't know if y'all already come across stories. So
I've come across stories where yeah, yep, supposedly, or like

(01:50:17):
people will see the homes of Christians, like in the
astral room, they'll see the homes of Christians and they'll
just be filled with the bright light, like in the
then supposed prophecy of the three days of darkness. You know,
the Christians home, you'll know who is a Christian because
they'll see the light coming out from the home. Well,
that light was emanating from my blood as his blood
mixed with mine, and it was just just making me

(01:50:39):
glow with his with his brilliant bright light, and it
just that just like hardly opened up the gates of
knowledge and information of even attempting to understand what it
means by having iniquity in the blood and iniquity in
the blood lines, and how important the blood is and

(01:51:02):
how important his blood is. That you have to be
covered by his blood. You have to have his blood
in your blood, to have that covering as a Christian,
to have his light, to carry his light, to shine
with his light, and to clean your blood of the
all the iniquities that have been brought in by generational

(01:51:25):
sin and personal sin.

Speaker 2 (01:51:28):
So you're telling me you were awake when this all happened.
You were wide awake. You were not asleep. This was
not a.

Speaker 3 (01:51:34):
Dream, not a dream. And he stayed there with me.
Like I said, it was a lot of hard work
to pour out that love in my heart. So I
had to, like that was my main focus, was like
I had to keep that love. And as long as
I kept that love focused solely on him, he was
there with me, and he told me I could share this,
that this is something that you know other people can
do too. They won't have an experience just like mine,

(01:51:55):
but they can put out that love for him just
like I did, and He'll be there for them.

Speaker 2 (01:51:59):
I had experience very similar to that, not as intense. Yeah,
I did. My grandmother passed and I was in her
room after her funeral. I was sleeping in a room
and I got down on the floor. I was going
through a lot in my life and I just I said,
and it's so weird because I was not religious at
all at the point, and I just was just like
the only person I could go to was cry on

(01:52:20):
Jesus's shoulder. I was like God, like Jesus, like, just
show me real. And then I had a hand touched
my back and that it was my whole body which
just got warm, and I like my I went from
tears to smiling and like my whole body got warm,
and I was just like, what is going on? And
it was it wasn't a hug, but it was a
hand and the hands stayed on my back for several months.

(01:52:44):
So that that's crazy that your story is beautiful, Like
that's it's so incredible, these these testimonies and these stories
like I because of mine. I believe it wholeheartedly. Like
and it's just you tell it, so you tell it.
So it's so beautiful that the the you know what

(01:53:04):
you went through, and I'm sure you've told it before,
but it's just like it's so incredibly and emotionally impactful.
Don't you feel obligated to tell your story? You know?

Speaker 3 (01:53:16):
Yeah? And I do. And it's and I actually haven't
really sat down and like talked the whole thing. I
do have the video. Shortly after it happened. I took
a video of myself where I talked through like the
entire thing that all I could remember. And I have
opportunities here and there where I kind of try to
instill some of what I learned from that. You know,
a comment will come up and I can reply with

(01:53:38):
some of my experience, and you know, I hope to
share it out. You know. I haven't sat and talked
talked about it a lot, but like I said, Jesus
told me that this is something that I can share
and to to share with other people. And and it
was because in the same way that it is just
so impactful for me, it can like it has the

(01:53:59):
power to impact other people, his light, his light shining
through me onto others. Hopefully we'll have passed that light
forward to them.

Speaker 2 (01:54:06):
He gives it the hopeless hope, you know, absolutely, yeah, absolutely,
so yeah, so yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:54:14):
I held on to that for as his life, and
thats why I awake for as long as I could.
And the bathroom is so bad that I couldn't beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:54:24):
And I pulled up a couple of verses here that
can you know that that are based off of what
we were just kind of getting into.

Speaker 2 (01:54:33):
But it's it's First John chapter one, verse seven.

Speaker 1 (01:54:38):
But if he walk in the light as he is
in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and
the blood of Jesus Christ, his son, cleanses us from
all sin. And I got one more verse, but there's plenty.
Just open up your bible.

Speaker 2 (01:54:55):
Read it.

Speaker 1 (01:54:57):
Revelation chapter one, verse five, and from Jesus Christ, who
is faithful witness and the first begotten of the dead,
and the Prince of the kings of the earth, unto
him that loved us and washed us from our sin in.

Speaker 2 (01:55:13):
His own blood.

Speaker 1 (01:55:14):
So it all, it's all, I mean, yeah, I mean,
there's so many verses on it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:18):
I totally I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:55:20):
And I think too that people will block themselves off
from this supernatural view of these certain things because they
just they don't again, and I think it comes from
a lot of traditional aspects of the church, but they
won't kind of view some of these verses as it's

(01:55:43):
actually supernatural, you know, like like we're not technically getting
washed in the blood like we would take a shower, right,
It's a cleansing thing that comes from inside of us,
you know that only He can do.

Speaker 2 (01:56:00):
Right. So, but fascinating stories. Wow, incredible man, Oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (01:56:06):
I like having these kind of conversations Veronica, And thank
you so much for joining us tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:56:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:56:11):
Thanks, and uh, you know, appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:13):
I would love to have you on again in the future.
You know, it's the first time, not the last time.
And uh appreciate you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:56:22):
Yeah, thanks Steven and Jessee. This is a great conversation.
I really thoroughly enjoyed this.

Speaker 1 (01:56:25):
Yeah, and for the audience real quick, if you could
just give a shout out to your uh all your
channels and content creation where people can check you out.

Speaker 3 (01:56:35):
Yeah, absolutely, hashtag Church of Anarchy. My main thing is
on Instagram uncensored Church of Anarchy for all of the
all the meme posting and just random stuff that I
threw out the first Stress release. And I'll try to
throw some art on my Church of Anarchy account every
once in a while. And I recently started a TikTok.
I'm trying to get some of my my visions and

(01:56:57):
my experiences and my dreams. That's what my TikTok is for.
And it's Church of Anarcarchi as well, so you can
find me on any of.

Speaker 1 (01:57:05):
Those awesome so folks be sure to go check her
out supporter where she needs it the most on her
platforms there and Veronica, thank you again. Well we're going
to do here before we move into the next segment.
We're going to pray it out together and I'll lead
us on personal Heavenly Father, we thank you so much
for today. Thank you for just another breath of the
beautiful life that you've created. Even though it's a crazy,

(01:57:27):
rough world. You know, we get into some of the
dark aspects of it, but Lord, we know that you
to be true. We know that you'd be the way
the truth in the life. Lord, and that you you
died for us, and you died for our sins, Lord,
and that you know you are the only way God,
And we thank you so much. And we just pray
for not only the gift of companionship where we can

(01:57:48):
grow our friendships you know with others, the Lord, that
we can always share you know, your will with others God,
and tell them about you, Lord. And we thank you
so much for giving us the blessing. And we love you,
and we thank you in Jesus name, Amen, and Jesus
Christ Name, Amen.

Speaker 2 (01:58:05):
Amen.

Speaker 1 (01:58:05):
Roonica, thank you again so much. But we're gonna move
right over to the next segment. Perfect right, Bib, We'll
get hit Man debrief, Veronica. Appreciate you for coming onto
the show. This was a lot of fun supernatural stories.
That's what we kind of bring into the show here
for you folks. And a banger, Yeah, bangers, bangers, Babe,
baby by bang. I need to get a horn. I

(01:58:26):
need to get an actual just horn and just blow
out the micah where it's clips so bad that you
can't even really hear the horn.

Speaker 2 (01:58:35):
I'm kind of a little bumms.

Speaker 1 (01:58:36):
I love the lightsaber, but you know, the lightsaber good,
but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:58:41):
It sounds like it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:43):
Has thousands and thousands of EMF waves coming off of it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:48):
That's why I think. I don't think it's good. It's
just recording everything and sending all of your data back
to Disney.

Speaker 1 (01:58:56):
Yeah, I think it's it's it's frying my brain also
doing that. I got to figure that out. But we'll
figure it out.

Speaker 2 (01:59:05):
Yeah. That was a fun show.

Speaker 1 (01:59:06):
And there's a bunch of wild supernatural stories out there.
You know, we're here to cover it. And I mean
I can only relate to the supernatural stuff based off
of my own experiences, right because at first, some of
this stuff, I'm not gonna lie to you. It does

(01:59:28):
sound like course is that real?

Speaker 2 (01:59:32):
You know? Of course? Can that really happen?

Speaker 1 (01:59:35):
And for me to have to rip the throat out
of a demon that ran up to my bed at
night and was strangling me, I can only think that
it's gotta be something to it, and that that's just
what happened to me.

Speaker 2 (01:59:54):
Yeah, dude, I'm right there with you. My own experiences
are the only reason why I believe any of this.
Like I told, I told my experience multiple times on
the show, and and it's it happened to me, And
I do not care who believes it or not. I
really don't and just like my UFO experiences, but they're
not you unidentified flying object. Right. Our last show that

(02:00:19):
I was on, that is with with Taj, shout out
to Taj, Taj Surin Saren, sorry to but great guests.
All of our guests that we've had are Someone on
Spotify called him a plant. He was fed. He's a fed.
He's a fed. I actually know that he's a fed.

Speaker 1 (02:00:39):
It's funny because he responded to the comment and he's like,
am I a fern or a cactus? Which one are
you talking about? And I was like, did he respond?
I think that was somebody else? Wasn't I think somebody
else did that. Me and him at account. Me and
him both laughed at it, though I laughed at it.
And then I saw that somebody else laughed at it,
and I'm like, who's that?

Speaker 2 (02:00:56):
And I was like Taj, I was like, oh, that's hilarious,
that's funny. No, but yeah, we all have our own experiences.
And it's like when I tell people my experiences of
seeing a cloaked massive you know, space station floating, not
like not in space, it's like in our orbit. It's
just like people aren't gonna believe it, but it's like,

(02:01:18):
I don't care. I literally saw this. I drew it's
the atmosphere. I mean right, it's in the atmosphere. It's
in the atmosphere. I think I'm positive it was. It was.
It was close enough for me to see. So anyways, regardless,
like our own personal experiences are what draws us to
these conclusions. And even then, it's like, what is real?

(02:01:39):
What's deceiving us? You know, we live in a very
you know, truth is truly stranger than fiction. Folks like that.
It's like that that statement right there is so powerful
because when you go through these types of things, it's
there's no other way to explain this to people that
haven't experienced it. Like, how do I sit here and
explain to you that Jesus touched my back when I

(02:02:01):
was doing push ups till my face hit the ground
in my grandmother's bedroom. I called out to him, I cried,
and and that's how it completely healed me for the
time being and for months after that.

Speaker 1 (02:02:12):
Right well, I mean just think of think of First
Chronicles twenty one sixteen, right where there's like it's talking
about that there is literally there was literally an angel
in between heaven and Earth with a sword, like looking
over Jerusalem.

Speaker 2 (02:02:29):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (02:02:30):
You know, so there are some crazy supernatural things that
you can take from the Bible that it's it seems
to be talking about. It's just which way do we
break this down? Do we break it down as allegory
or are we going to take this as literal? And
I think that that that what's going on, at least

(02:02:52):
between the collisions right of how Christians decide to interpret
certain things. Uh there there they're flip flopped. So and
I and I've done it too. With a shout out
to my boy Scotty Loves Scotty. Well, we just went
we went through Genesis real quick one night and we
went through it verse by first, not the full book book,

(02:03:15):
but we just went through you know, Genesis one through six,
I would say. And we went through it and I
was like, I think that's literal talking about this, and
he's like, no, that's allegory. And I was like, okay,
all right, give it a chance. I mean, I'm here,
I'm here right, And and then something that he would
claim was literal, I was like, no, that's allegory. So

(02:03:39):
and that's an interesting thing. Because we're both Christians, you know,
we both follow Christ. Like I am a saved Christian.
I believe in Jesus Christ. And it's only you know, great,
it's it's the grace of God through faith that is
saving me. Right And and I'm here ready, and I'm

(02:04:03):
here focused on number one, my faith in Jesus Christ,
but then trying to live in obedience. So there's confirmation
about free spirit here, like, this is.

Speaker 2 (02:04:13):
What I'm drawn to do.

Speaker 1 (02:04:15):
And it's been like that since day one, since I've
decided to let Christ come into my heart. Right, he
surrendered there that there is a supernatural event, no doubt,
right and this and this is an interesting concept too,
because some people claim to speak in tongues.

Speaker 2 (02:04:35):
Right. But well, here's the thing though.

Speaker 1 (02:04:39):
And and and and I love Scotty, but I'll use
him for example. Right, he when he got saved, and
he was at the altar, and Scotty, I hope I'm
not getting this wrong, but I I this is what
I really think you told me in the past. But
when he accepted Christ at his as his savior, he
spoken tongue. But now he's a part of you know,

(02:05:06):
he's a part of this interpretation that that tongues are
not a something that you know, these Pentecostal churches are
actually doing. Yet the tongues is that hey, this was
you know, meaning a language and that people were speaking
in tongues technique you know, in acts or whatever because

(02:05:27):
the Holy Spirit was going through and going into people
and changing their their language almost kind of like similar
to like Babbel, right, but almost the opposite. It's people
were starting to speak in other languages so that they
can go out and preach the gospel to all nations,
to other uh, you know, groups of people that understand

(02:05:51):
a different language, and this is the only way that
the message could get out the good news. So like
what's that right? Like it's almost like it's hard to
put It's hard for us to put our finger and
to be dogmatic on a lot of things because sometimes

(02:06:12):
like how do we explain that, you know, like was
was the day you got saved when you spoke tongues?
Like was it was it actually tongues? Or I mean
now are you are you walking back from that be?
You know because of what you believe now? And it's
like it's interesting, you know, just.

Speaker 2 (02:06:30):
Like my experience, I get you know, people cannot believe me,
and I don't believe them, and it's like we're all
it's a tough thing when you when you're not there
to experience it as well. I truly from from my standpoint,
I don't believe in tongues and I don't believe in
touching someone's head and having the power of God shot

(02:06:52):
into them and they start convulsing. I don't like that stuff.
I think it's I tie that in with tribalism.

Speaker 1 (02:06:58):
I'm with you too, yeah, Like I mean, I'm with
you too, But at what point do we could be wrong?

Speaker 2 (02:07:04):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:07:04):
Here's the thing, like are we just speaking off of
like our bias sure?

Speaker 3 (02:07:10):
Or or are.

Speaker 2 (02:07:11):
We just or are we are we going? Hey? I
just don't know, And you know what, maybe I could.

Speaker 1 (02:07:19):
I'm doing both, you know, and I think it's okay
to do both, right because we just don't know right
unless we have the inexperience ourselves.

Speaker 2 (02:07:29):
But then what is that experience? You know?

Speaker 1 (02:07:32):
Like people go, well, it's demonic, and it's like, well,
but you got saved when you did it.

Speaker 2 (02:07:39):
So where are we at here?

Speaker 3 (02:07:42):
You know? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:07:43):
Not?

Speaker 1 (02:07:45):
You feel me like you see what with what I'm saying,
I believe what I'm saying because it takes thought, so
think people.

Speaker 2 (02:07:54):
I believe that it is more so tribalism. And people
want to belong to a church and belong to a group.
So when they do go to these, you know, these
church gatherings and and you and you have the pastor
put his hand on your head and then you start convulsing.
I don't. And it's it's crazy that I say this

(02:08:16):
because of my experience. It's like, dude, your experience is
practically just is just as profound. So maybe I'm wrong.
But you know what's crazy too, cause I feel like
it's a tribalism. My discernment, my spirit tells me that
is a tribalistic mentality to fit in. And what if?

(02:08:39):
What if?

Speaker 1 (02:08:41):
I find it fascinating because like, do you believe in hypnotism.

Speaker 2 (02:08:47):
Exactly the same kind of thing? I think is exactly
what I'm saying. Yeah, no, no, I don't. I believe
in controlling someone that is wilful. Someone that's wilful, they
want to be controlled, right, the same thing.

Speaker 1 (02:09:05):
And so my experience and this was this was I
was dragged into this by my ex but we were
on a cruise. I haven't heard that before, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:09:17):
I know.

Speaker 1 (02:09:18):
And we were on a cruise and this hypnotist was
on stage and she's like, let's go, let's go, and
I was like, no, I don't want you.

Speaker 2 (02:09:23):
I was like this witchcraft dog.

Speaker 1 (02:09:25):
And it's crazy, like I ended up being up there
on stage and literally everyone got hypnotized but me, And
I think it's at the end of the day, it's
because I had the Holy Spirit in me. No, at
the end of the day, I think it's because I
had the Holy Spirit in me, because I'll tell you this,
I was trying to get hypnotized but I could not,

(02:09:49):
but it felt like something was trying to get in.

Speaker 2 (02:09:52):
Can't.

Speaker 1 (02:09:54):
It felt like something was trying to get in, but
it didn't have the keys. And and like you said,
wilful right like, And I was trying hard to be
willful because I was like, I feel it, it's there.

Speaker 2 (02:10:07):
You had that door locked, but you had that door locked.
I did the same thing at a Halloween party several
years ago. There was a I think it's I think
it's the Holy Spirit. Yeah, yeah, you might be probably.
You know, how can something dwell in that house? You
can't they can't you know. I went to a Halloween party.

(02:10:27):
I've told this story before briefly, maybe maybe not. It
was a Halloween party.

Speaker 3 (02:10:32):
It was.

Speaker 2 (02:10:33):
It was one of the biker clubs in Las Vegas.
And I'm not going to say it was a legit
biker club and they have an annual Halloween party every year,
and they had a and someone that I knew knew
this person. That's why I went there. That's all i'm

(02:10:53):
gonna say. It was fine. It was like a normal
Halloween party. Everybody's dressing up. There was no fight, so
it was like. There was karaoke. It was like a
normal Halloween party. But there was a There was a
palm reader there, and I had several people like, you know,
I'm a skeptical person, and I'm like, I don't care.
Like they were. They were like, yo, go he's so accurate,

(02:11:16):
just go do it. I'm like, yes, okay, I will
go do the spirits. Yeah. I sat down with this
guy's a gin. I sat down with this guy. He
didn't have the keys. He was off every little bit
of it, and I laughed at him. I'm like, sorry, Bud,
you're you're completely off, completely because I was not willing.

(02:11:41):
I was not willful, Like if you if you were
to tell me, like if you were to get into
and tell me some real, you know, personal stuff, then
I'd give you. You know, I'd be like, wow, this
is actually I might stand up and run away. But yeah,
he was completely off, and everybody around me kept telling
me he's so spot on. I've been using him for years.

Speaker 1 (02:12:03):
Oh my goodness. That's like an act fortune teller, you know,
with the story of the fortune Teller and acts. It's
funny because everyone would go to her and and and
try to you know, their exchanging currency, you know, to
for for for her to tell them, you know, their fortune, right,
so that they can go and make more money, right.

(02:12:23):
And and I can't remember who exactly it was forgive
me everyone dropping on the comments, but if it was
Paul or I think it was Peter. I think Peter,
because she would follow the apostles, follow them, and Peter
at one point just like turned to her and like
just cast it out, the demon that was attached to her.

(02:12:44):
And she's like she's like she's like, oh no, no,
like I've lost the connection, right, almost like how the
oracles lost connection when Jesus Christ was on this earth
and got crucified. There was this disconnection and it's like, no,
well you know it's it's hard now she lost her business,

(02:13:04):
but man, hey, you.

Speaker 2 (02:13:07):
Know it's funny. Maybe pick up a better business. I
don't have to tell you.

Speaker 1 (02:13:11):
Yeah, don't, don't rely on something that's in there in
the ethereal area. You know these demons exactly so. But folks, everyone,
thank you for tuning in. And real quick, let's address
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(02:13:35):
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And it's something that unfortunately it seems like it's it's
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(02:13:59):
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Speaker 2 (02:15:02):
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I sounded sarcastic earlier, just because it's funny, okay, and
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Speaker 2 (02:15:12):
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To be fully honest, we were kind of completely ignorant
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Speaker 1 (02:15:52):
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So I totally get it, and then all of a
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messed up or whatever. But we just want to let
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(02:16:12):
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Speaker 2 (02:16:28):
Everyone.

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Speaker 2 (02:16:31):
Five episodes a week. Jesse wants to do five episodes
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neat episodes.

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Speaker 2 (02:17:18):
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