#68. History of Magick| Lucifer In Occultism| Crossing The Abyss| Secret Mystery Schools & Universities w Nick| The Occult Rejects

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Biblical hit Man.
It's your host, Steven. My two co hosts are unfortunately
not going to be with me this episode tonight, but
joining us for the first time is Nick with the
Occult Rejects. He is the host of the Occult Rejects.
He's got an awesome show. He's got a bunch of different
panelists that come on talk about very interesting things. Full
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But other than that, Nick, welcome to the show man.
Thank you, Oh, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
I appreciate you having me on.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, man, yeah, this is gonna be a fun show.
Sorry for the disclaimer, man, because people will at first
get the first their impression of occult rejects. You know,
they can interpret that many different ways. And the audience,
which I love them very much, it could be quick
with the trigger a little bit, which I'm all about.
Shoot first, don't get me wrong. But for the folks

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that aren't familiar with your work, where can they find
your content and all that?

Speaker 2 (02:03):
On old major podcasts, uh bit shoot Rumble YouTube, I
do stream live to Twitch and uh and Facebook. I
do stream live. We're also on Facebook and we have
a Facebook group.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
So yeah, okay, awesome man, awesome.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
So humble. If I mentioned that I might have forgot.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah yeah, yeah. Rumble seems to be one of those
platforms that I may be kind of needing to create.
A channel on as well, because worth it is it?

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, okay, it's a little You can only load a
two gig videos, so you got to compress everything. It's
oh really yeah, rumble will take like up to fifteen
I think of twenty.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
So it's like, oh, okay, that's not too bad man,
So so real quick man, your show The Cult Rejects,
I've enjoyed. I'm new to your show. I've enjoyed many
of the different topics.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Huh, I'm new to yours. It's okay, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
You know, I I've I think when I first joined in, uh,
which you've worked with a few friends of mine, Bennett
with Broadcasting Seeds and Doc Brown with Prometheus Lens podcast,
which I've seen both of them on your show, and
some interesting topics. I know Doc got on your show
talked about the elongated skulls, the Paracas skulls and stuff
like that. And when Bennett was on your show, I

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think you guys were getting into pyramids what they may
have been used for. And I mean one of the
dudes that was on the panel, which I think is
pretty cool. I've yet to see it a platform like that,
having multiple panelists on talking about a subject, but it
seemed to be like they were trying they were describing
how the Pyramids may have been, you know, big energy

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amplifiers or something like that.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
It was crazy.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yes, yes it was crazy, man. But what's yeah, what's
your what's your show about? Well, you know, when.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
It started off was basically kind of like focusing on
occult ism. The co host at the time that I
was working with then it was a little bit more
focused on like like covering orders or I don't know
how to put this, but like almost like like shock
value type things like oh, that's the bad guy, which
I mean, is is justified. I mean, we did some

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great work I think on the Justice and the Shriners,
you know that I'm proud of. It doesn't mean they're
all screwed up people, but we used to kind of
cover like a lot of things like showing oh, there's
ocultism in there and it's probably bad this and that,
and you know it probably is. But eventually, you know,
the idea of the show was to try to like
you know, explain occultism and like break down like you know,

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it's not always bad, that's in my opinion, you know.
So we wanted to kind of show like I guess,
you know, the positive stuff and point out like how
you could be negatively manipulated, you know, both sides to it,
and at the beginning it just seems like kind of
one sided. And eventually when me and that co host
kind of split off, I wanted to keep the show going,
so I just like started using different people. I just

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kind of go one more into covering the occult. I
started going more into science with the occult because that
was something I wanted to do from the beginning. It
is of my opinion that there is a lot of
occult symbolism and occult stuff that actually goes back back
to the eyeball, the brain, blood, the spirit leaving the body.
There's a lot of stuff, and I wanted to start

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getting into that. So I ended up kind of like
working with other people to try to do their different
things and ended up realizing that I just kind of
started growing like a group of people that were there
for different specialties. I have one girl, Lisa, you know,
she's like getting her PhD. But like she's there for
like physiology and science, like girls of genius. When it

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comes to that, you know, I got like my boy
headless Giant. He's really good on Greek and Roman stuff
and Catholicism, and Gen's really good on like his you know,
Japanese or Asiana Buddhism stuff. But like you know, we
got a bunch of different people, and now we're kind
of focusing on a whole lot of things because in
my opinion, when it comes to occultism and magic, I
think that actually in common this is a lot of stuff.

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Like you were talking about the Pyramids, I think some
of that science and technology because people don't understand it,
and some of it, I'll be totally honest with you,
it was almost very basic if you actually understood what
was going on. People don't understand it. It's been a
cultive like in a sense, like I think that actually
part of the reasons why I think it's being covered

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up is because I think when you'd realize how this
stuff works, it's almost like kind of like science, and
that science magic is almost being like explained to you,
like you'd have to start thinking about other things and
just thinking this world isn't exactly what it is. And
I do think it very teeters on magic, you know,
doing things with frequencies, you know, changing things through sound.

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All that stuff I do think kind of does all
fall under magic. So like we may cover like you know,
like you said you saw the Pyramids. I'm going to
a place myself tomorrow to go film it because it's
supposed to be extremely old. It's in Alabama. It's like
in a park, but yet it's got like drill holes
and you can tell the rocks are cut. So like

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if you're telling me this is really that old, Like
just what's up with this? Right? And somebody a few
people are gonna go there and start filming and some
really you know, so like stuff like that. Uh you know,
I do. Uh mat Ashton Forbes on recently and the
reason why I had him on besides being a big
name him even talking about this stuff that the government's using,

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like the type of government technology and like you know,
possible portal or like non gravity and all that stuff.
I even think all that stuff in a sense starts
teetering into a cult science and a could magic. Yeah,
I agree, So like we we could cover one episode
could be about the Cabala, the next the next episode
could be about water, the next episode could be about

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like we've we've covered stuff on birds because I do
think that's the stuff about them that we covered in
that show is kind of a reason why they're used
for a cult symbolism. Their eyes see differently. There's certain
birds now that when they see the sun, the reason
why they're making noises the morning chorus or the during
chorus was the name of the episode, is because they

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can actually hear the sun with their eyes and they're
tweeting back or you know whatever, back the sound that
they're hearing, you know, and it's just like you, I
don't know, do people actually know that this is going on?
You know what I'm saying. It's like weird science, and
like they just things with birds see differently, see more
than humans do. And I guess basically where I'm getting

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at is that a lot I've started noticing that a
lot of bees dear, just a lot of animals that
are always used for a cult symbolism. A lot of them,
especially a scorpion. You may not know, the whole shell
of a scorpion is retina. The whole body sees. Something
is up with why we have these things with special eyes.
They seem to be the common things that always popping

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up to being used in the cult symbolism. So like
that's why we even covered stuff weird stuff about birds.
But I mean, like we do we jump all over
the place, you know, taro one week, then we could
have true crime that's covering a cult, you know, and
then that would be the way of showing you, like,
this is how people get manipulated. This is how you
know sick people, do you know? That's why I have

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a couple that this is a reminder you know, there's
sick people out there using magic to manipulate people.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Right, right, And so I mean my my knowledge of
things pertaining to the occult and it's based off of
pretty much certain books that I've I've read, you know,
either by Tom Horn, Gary Wayne, you know, Isaac Wisop.
You know, they've they've referenced a lot of occultist right,
I would say renowned occultists where you know Elana Boblotsky,

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Alice Bailey, you know Crowley, Jack Parsons, on and on
and on, right, Like these are like the major leaguers.
But and it seems to be that.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
It was sorry to interrupt you, but they are like
like you would consider them like almost like Neil, like
there's so and it's like nobody looked before them, and
if you were sort of looking at the people before them,
you'd see that they completely rip them off. It's just
like the wildest thing because like even though those people
are already dead, it's like those are like those are

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just the last famous names of the less hundreds of
thousands of years of magicians that came before them. Mm hm,
I'm saying it's just you know, people, if you look
before Crowleyan, before Parsons, that other alchemists, you'll see exactly
where a lot of that are working from.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
In my opinion, Yeah, and especially too right, like looking
back in history when you see the Egyptian Empire, Romans, Greeks,
uh Mesopotamians, on and on and on, that it seemed
to be that magic or occult practices was a part
of the elite's lifestyle or something like that. At least
I would say that because of the mystery schools and

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the way that they keep these things in secrecy, that
the only ones that really knew how to practice these
certain things were to be like the elites back in
the day, and so.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Many people to actually they would be a patron and
they they'd hire a cultist and pay them and be like, yeah,
I want to try to do this in that figure
it out, like they literally would do that back then.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Well, almost like paying a fortune teller, right and in
a way to hey, you know, get this done for
me or help me out with this. Yeah, the people
with that kind of secret scientific knowledge or whatever, because
I think there is a science behind it. And again
I don't I don't. I don't advocate for practicing these
certain things because at least from what I know biblically

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that it seems to be there could be a lot
of deceiving entities that are behind these certain things and
rule in like these dark rulers within or behind the curtain,
if that makes any sense. Well, and I think it
plays along with what you were saying, where you know,
at Crowley and all these guys, they seem to rip off,

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you know, or or tarnish what maybe people before them
were doing that were involved with magic or whatever, and
and it seemed like they there's they were more sinister
with their plans.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Even if you saw looking at the people that they
ripped off in their work, they were very open about
what they were trying to do. You start looking at
these new ones and it's only either ciphered or it's
just like you can't even it's not even being handed
to you for you to understand the way it's supposed
to be understood.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Right are you? Are you familiar with the way.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
That you do something horrible sod of something good? Right?

Speaker 1 (12:23):
So with this, So from what I've read, at least
from Isaac Wisop's UFOs Aliens in their Cult this is
a book he wrote, but in there he talks about
the Kabbalah. But then he also talks about the Doth
right d A a th h or I forget the clip.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah, the clip off right?

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Okay, So tell me a little bit about about those
two distinctions.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Well, uh, the clip off is supposed to be like
the negative tree. Uh, you have the tree of life,
the cabalistic trio of life. Doth is like a newert.
It's kind of a newer sphere on there that it
normally originally had. Ten. Doth is the eleventh and it's
not like a kind of right below the supernal trier
the first three on the top. Uh my opinion, that's

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edded dad, because that's the understanding of both sides. Now,
like you, that one doesn't apply until you cross the
abyss and come back. In my opinion, but the clipoff
is just a reflection. I'm not even really huge into
the clipoff because I think people it's misunderstood and people
like take it the wrong way and get lost when
they're not supposed to be like really, a lot of

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people I think end up putting more chains on them removed.
That's just my opinion. The clipoff is more of kind
of like the negative side of the tree that shows
you like, well, like I guess the demonic aspect or
like that's how people would put it. My opinion, It's
just like what part of your brain makes you a
piece of shit, and uh, you're supposed to contrary to

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popular belief, you're supposed to like destroy these things and
become free. Most people think, I guess when they hear
the clipoff, you're just automatically evoking demons to go ass
rape someone. I don't know, but from how I know
that it's supposed to be used. You're supposed to render
your demons and destroy it so you can have an
experience with God. That is kind of the clipoff is

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like showing you, like the negative aspects that you could
use and positive like that that is associated with it
to kind of give you to use characters that have
personalities that kind of give you an idea of what
you're dealing with.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Gotcha, like a title maybe or something.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, yeah, it was tell you the truth. It's like
a uniform. Yeah that, or it's like tell you it's
gonna sound crazy. Be the same thing as a radio station.
It's a frequency that you're giving a name to an
my opinion, you know, either this is Z one hundred
or this is K rock. You know what I'm saying.
It's it's just you're just trying to give a description
to something that's different. Yeah, a lot of my opinion,

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Like again, a lot of people if they're using the couple,
if you're supposed to be using it to do it
can shadow work, which is supposed to like, you know,
work on yourself to become a better person, try to
figure out like what gets you fearful and angry and
try to work on that stuff. Unfortunately, though, when I've
seen most people, you know, magicians that do that, you know,
more than half of them normally like feed the demons

(15:20):
more than actually getting rid of them. Unfortunately, just just
it happens.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, So when they're there seems to be too something
with the occult. It seems to be like there's this
duality to it. What do you think this duality is
or why does it exist?

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Uh? My opinion, I think the duality when it comes
down to magic and this is just my opinion, and
it all goes back to really you could boil it
down to electricity and magnetism. So you're gonna have something
that's a projective force and something that's a receiving force,
or something that like pulls in.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Okay, so something similar to like a ying and a yang.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yes, yes, very much or yeah, or like even a pendulum.
It's got to swing back the other way at some point, gotcha, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
And it's like when I think of these things too, right,
you know, like just as a Christian, I think of
the Garden of Eden, I think about I think about
that the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil,
because that's the only thing that I see, at least
in the beginning, when things kind of got somehow jacked up,
that there was this this tree of duality that is

(16:26):
the one who's guilty of, you know, causing man to
fall right in this idea and and that that person
in the Bible is the serpent. Right. But then there's
a multiple titles we don't really know exactly, like the
name you know, Satan, Lucifer the devil. But is what's
what are your thoughts with you know, Lucifer and his

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involvement with you know, the occult. Is this just a
fictitious thing that people make up or.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
I think it's again it's like a it's like a
nave given to it, spirits or something that's happening. My
opinion is right, sound harsh, a little bresh, but I
think as long as you have your eyes open and
you're in love with the world, that you're in your
under Lucifer's control. If you something besides having an experience
with God, you're in Lucifer's control. He's giving you bling,

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bling stuff to fall in love with and forget about God,
right right.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
I mean it seems to be a characteristic right that
that he has, that that he in some way, shape
or form, And I think that's why a lot of
these these at least the bloodlines. And I don't know
if you dug too deep into this, but uh, you know,
the bloodlines as far as these elites, these these families,

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you know, apparently there's like this black nobility that may
be running and controlling everything. As far as that and
the fact that they they have everything that they've ever
wanted of the world, right, what do you think like
they're getting in return?

Speaker 2 (18:05):
I think some of them by this magno maniac.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Yeah, I just can't deny right like that these people are.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
I think if you're just cold believers, maybe right. But
but I think some people know that might have the
money and the time or just like I could just
be an answhole one and get away with it and
do it like it could just be just But uh,
I mean, I there's a couple of reasons. Sometimes I
do think like some of them that are in the
know might like think there's like certain like kind and

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that sound like some doomsday called but maybe there's like
certain things that they think may happen in the future
and they want to make sure they're prepared or to
try to like maybe like let's say there's a possibility
because like I'm not saying this is real. This is an example.
I can't remember what two planets it was so far,
but two plants have flipped the ringing the polls have flip.
If the next one flips, I mean, I hate to say,

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we're probably all gonna flip and we're gonna die. Uh.
If Mars eventually does it, then we're just gonna sit
here and wait, like when is it happening to us?
But like there are people who think that they can
somehow survive that, you know, or is there some people
that might want to build technology thinking they can stop
the poll from shifting, you know.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
So resting And I think too, that's funny you bring
that up because I remember in any situation, you know, Yeah,
And I think it's called what the Adam and Eve
project or something like that or something like that. I
think it was Jeremy Corsetti was talking about it on
Joe Rogan's show, where there's this concept of the polls flipping. Uh,
and with you bringing up the fact that it could

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be like this, where it would be this cataclysm, it
just makes me think of all of the underground bunkers
that these elites are building and getting ready for whatever,
you know. And there's a lot of propaganda out there
right like there's a you know, multiple comments out there apofice.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Uh, there's uh, Apopus, Rex like even names that are
used in the occult at this as well.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
I think Atlas is one of the newer ones as well.
So why do you think they use these occult names
for these things?

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Well, I don't know if you may not know this,
and most people may not know this. I'm not sure
if this is the exact reason, but I do want
to mention this, since we're talking about out of space.
Every model that we've ever accepted has been given to
us from an alchemist slash ocultist. Yes, the first one
and then the second one, so right there off the
bad what you think is out there, you're believing from

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an ocultist, So I don't really trust too much. It's
really out there. But again I think because of the
maybe the nod to occultism, this is, you know, that's
why they still stick with the names. But one of
this is just one of my theories, and I think
I might somewhat be right, and other people have even
noticed it on the show. I do think these names,

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even especially from NASA, they're actually like kind of putting
out a message, Like I actually think there is a
there's a cult value there if you understand what they're
saying that's what I actually think, Like they're kind of
telling you something, but not what you not the way
that we're normally looking at it.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
M M, yeah, that's fascinating. I even think too.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Get numbers and you'll get planets. It's really weird. Like
even if you saw looking into some of the planets
and like the rings and the moons and this and that,
you start seeing numbers that like even match, like where
they fall on the tree or certain things with them,
and it's just like yo, like right a little bit too,
you know, weird? Right? Why did we had the cabala
before we supposedly even knew that these things were probably

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you know, names for me? Yet?

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah, why do you think they name?

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Like?

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Why is there paganism mixed in with occultism that.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
You can kind of Who was it? I think he
might have been more silly a ficino. He was kind
of big with doing that. He was became a Jesuit
priest at one point, but he was kind of known
for adding a little bit of pain to it. That's
when I covered him and researched into him. You know,
a couple of people coined him as like being somebody

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who's trying to insert pagan uh not insert, but like
at one point the Catholic Church was like paying attention
to this stuff. You know, they had you had Pico
Dillo del Mirandola, who was like got the Kabbala to
start being looked at, you know, by Catholics and Christians.

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So like they the Catholic Church at one point, probably
between like the fifteen hundreds and the seventeen hundreds, that
were like on and popping with like looking at tons
of stuff and not you know being you know, not
saying oh, we can't look at that, even though they're
telling everybody else they can't. But you know what I'm saying,
like they had people that are like researching and like
making my opinion, making real breakthroughs and understandings of the
of the Bible and uh he uh. So like he

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was saying that kind of kept that so it gave
like like I was saying before, like a character to
try to describe something. Yeah, it's wild too, man. I
mean I was.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
I was reading a book it's called God's Eye View,
written by Trevor Lowman, and we had him on the
show not too long ago. He was explaining how you know,
the religious group and the scientific group how they would
clash in the beginning of things, you know, to where
and I think it was. I think it was just
a lot of roadblocks between the both of them, which

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is why they just never kind of came to an
understanding with these things. But why do you why do
you think these like do you think the scientists today
are are in a way modern day occultists or they
you know, like have they been have the occultists been
rebranded into science scientists?

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Well? Actually yes, and believe it or not, that was
the name that ocultist used to use back in the
day to begin with. The scientists wasn't a cultist, So
it's just basically going back to the way it used
to be. But yeah, yeah, yes, and no, I do
think a lot of scientists are. I mean, there are
people that I know that have PhDs that are studying
stuff and they're ocultists for sure. I mean they're involved

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in orders or even like you know kind of part
of like running it. Uh. I think I do think
people in science in certain areas are starting to catch
on now to certain stuff like I'm talking about like
these megalist structures, you know, like like put it this way,
Like they're starting to realize now that that they had it.

(24:28):
Like stuff possibly back from the medieval times, there was
a box that like would actually compress a frequency. It
was like an organic box that if it pressed, it
compressed it under four hurts. And actually this is like
that's like in papers, published papers, and it has been reviewed.
It would drive people crazy. So it was actually like

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a weapon that they would use. Or sometimes you know
those those castles that you'd see like those little things
just sticking up like along it's always along the side
of a river. They would like have them in there.
And it was almost kind of like a like a
wall weapon. So like if you got close to it.
The problem with it they couldn't direct it, so it
would just admit all over to a certain distance. If
you got close to it, you started hallucinating and if
you got like too bad, you'd either kill yourself or

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other people. Wow, this is something they had back in
the time when you have supposedly had. That's another thing
that stuff wasn't a moat. These things are power generators,
and that what that water is. I mean, they're literally
even starting to find that out too, that now all
these castles all these things that we thought was old
for this and that no, these things are generating energy
and like I'm not making that up, like they're starting

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to notice that.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Do you think it was like simple back then but
more advanced.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yes, yes, for sure, you would have gave them an
iPhone back then. They would have everything up and probably
did nothing, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, they
would have found out what porn was. Nothing would have
got built exactly.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
And what's crazy too because and I don't know if
you believe in the flood narrative or whatever, but ancient culture,
as they've talked about the Bible talks about it, I
believe in the Antediluvian epoch times where this was an
advanced civilization, that this was you know, people that were
very heavily involved in the occult right or the you know,

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the Seven Sciences, and that that civilization was in this
Golden Age at some period. You know. And I wanted
to ask you this, do you do you think these
things were taught to us.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Or was it just a part of.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Learning for the human like in the human experience, like
like was it taught to us by you know, fallen
angels or extraterrestrialized magic and occultism or.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
I think it's may sound crazy, but I think if
somebody was to have an experience of death and that
maybe actually like come back, you're gonna understand. It's gonna
you're gonna know anyway, because what I guess the long

(27:07):
story short, and it's just gonna sound crazy. I'm not
saying I'm Jesus, and there's plenty of other people that
have had this experience besides me, and don't say that,
but my opinion, and if if you're gonna have a
magical experience, you're actually committing suicide. You're gonna have to
die and leave your body because God ain't coming to me.
I got to go to him. You know. I can't
do it in the flesh. You gotta do it in

(27:29):
the spirit. So the experience of death, he'll definitely talk
to the man at some point, or at least he'll
talk to you, right come back. You will have the
same understanding that I think all these other people have.
It's gonna sound crazy, but like when you open up
your eyes, you're gonna know stuff you never knew before.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Sure, yeah, yeah, man, And it's uh, I think too,
what what happens when when people have those ends ease, right,
like those near death experiences, like they they.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
So drastically changes them for the rest of their life.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Oh, I agree entirely. And I think that it almost
has like a similar effect to how maybe psychedelics are
being used like at a therapy, at a therapeutic level.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, kind of like like crawling the thin ice and
not breaking and completely going through. Yeah, I see what
you're saying. With like the the I do think with
the hallucinogenics of certain drugs, it does kind of get
you close to like the thinning of the veil.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think too that's why they
kind of are regulating these things in the public nowadays,
because I don't know, if you're familiar, you may be
familiar with the term, but it's it's almost like it's
the it's like the tulpa effect. Are you familiar with
the tulpla effect?

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Right?

Speaker 1 (28:47):
The ancient Tibetan was a Buddhist Buddhism, I believe it is.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
I see that today.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
I see that especially being especially when you when you
mix psychedelics at a recreational level with other drugs. Right,
it could even just be other drugs that are were
illegal but now they're becoming more legal. That you mix
that with propaganda and now you might get like the

(29:15):
ultimate tulpa effect. It just depends on what the propaganda
is like for example, like UFOs.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Right.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Well, I'll use this example, like the slender Man. Right,
Like the slender Man came out in two thousand and nine.
This is when it was circulating around the Internet, and
it was a term being pushed into the public a
lot more. And because it was being frequently talked about,
people were having the ideas of it, which then the

(29:46):
ideas became beliefs, and then the beliefs, the beliefs became
manifested and people were actually having this contact with this
entity called the slender Man. Right, And even two girls
I think from two different area there is they actually.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Killed over that?

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah yeah, yeah, they stabbed I forget who they stabbed
nineteen times, which nineteen two I think is an occult number.
But that's interesting to say.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
The least is a big one? Does one popping up
a lot lately? Right?

Speaker 1 (30:16):
And I even think with numerology, that's that's a I, right,
So A being number one, I being the ninth letter
but I found that interesting that even another girl you
know which, who had an encounter with the slender Man,
she was told by the slender Man to burn down

(30:36):
her house with her family in it and she'll be
rewarded all of these Oh that's crazy, bro.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
So so with that concept, what do you think? What
do you think is going on here?

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Ah? I mean, I I you know, I don't know
how to even answer this. I do have stuff I want.
It could be so many different things. I in some way,
I do think certain I'm just gonna be honest, certain
sexual identities that people are grasping onto is just because
the Tavistock Institute or somebody came up with a name

(31:15):
and an idea and said here have at it is
that gonna be you or not? Uh, and then people
will just choose although ignore it or whatever. So, like,
I think things are literally constructed and made up just this.
This is almost a very lucive thing to do kind
of in a sense, You're just gonna give somebody an
option now of something to claim, another name, to throw

(31:37):
onto you, just to whatever. So I think that stuff's
done on purpose. Now, I'm not saying that like this
happened because of that, but like you know, maybe like
something like that or could like this be some sort
of energy attached to it to where somehow like affected

(31:58):
a more personal, impressionable person. Like I wouldn't necessarily say
it was like you know, done on purpose, it could be,
but sometimes I do wonder if there is just like
some sort of code of frequency too bad things happening.
The reason why I even bring that up is there's
been a few times where we have covered true crime

(32:19):
on the show and I have run, like, uh, Jamatria,
I'm big on Jamatria, and just stuck getting a lot
of the same matches. And it's not always like actually
bringing up like horrible bad like names or things, but
it's just like you just start seeing like like they're
like I met when we covered we covered the oh

(32:40):
the Craiglist killer, like I was killing the prostitutes. I
can't forget. I can't remember. I forgot yo Go beach killer.
We covered him. We did a lot of jamatri on
his stuff, and like you would get things that were
like even matching other phrases that was popular at the
time too, Like they were like I remember by the
time we're looking at you know, there's always something going

(33:02):
on with these bees, like like spells. Well, I'm wondering,
is it like either, Yes that I think sometimes I
do actually think one, especially when it's like something like
mara lago, mari a lago, mari a lago, hearing that
on the on the TV over and over again and
then seeing something else that equates to you know, in

(33:23):
chamachia and numerical value, it's the same thing you're just
you're just saying it in a different way, but it's
the same energetic value. So sometimes I do think that, yes,
they will pull certain phrases. That's the thing where I'm
getting at too. Like even with this when we're looking
into the true crime, you would see like a lot
of the same like numbers again, just matching certain things,

(33:44):
and it was like almost something that's popular, and it's
just like, yo, this is is this like some like
like thing of energy that's just like this is what
you get you get it with this frequency or something.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
I don't know, Well, it sounds like it's almost a trademark.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Brand left behind something that's actually manipulating or I don't know, man,
it's just it's a part of this.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
A lot of people are like getting into the numbers stuff,
but there is there is some value into it because
you see this the people that you you know that
you're probably thinking, you know, doing horrible stuff, they use
that stuff. So it exists. I hate to say it,
you know what I'm saying, It definitely exists. I mean
orders have their own ciphers. I mean that's another thing too.
I mean the Golden Dorm has their own cipher. I

(34:32):
think the Masons have their room. They used to have
the pig Pen cipher. The ot O. Crowley puts a
cipher inside the Book of the Laws.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
I mean, yeah, I was digging into Alan Greenfield's book
by the Cipher of the UFO Nots. And people again,
you know, they're like what book is that. They'll look
it up and they'll be like, oh, and occultist wrote
that you're a Christian? Why are you reading that?

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Well?

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Again, like I'm I'm investigating these things because deep down
in my beliefs, I I feel like there's there's these
four is that are responsible for a lot of these things.
And like we were talking about before with the trademark,
you know, it's like a calling card It's like it's
like the It's like when the Joker comes in and
he robs a bank, he leaves the joker card, right,
And when you're ciphering these things that which I'm not

(35:16):
equipped in, you know, or knowledgeable of jamatria or numerology,
but when you do kind of break these things down
with those tools, it seems to it seems to write
a letter.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Right.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
It's almost like it lets you know, maybe what there's
something to this, right, then you dig deeper into it
and maybe there are these entities that may be behind
these things.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Maybe sometimes I think, yeah, it's something almost like an
eggregor yeah, yeah, right right, kind of like it's almost
just like matter. It's just like a he hate using frequency,
but some sort of like thing that has the energy
to it that just when it gets into somebody it
just makes them do that type of weird, horrible stuff.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
So you when you were there.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Like Elm, you remember when b Elm was going on
with the George Floyd stuff, right right, right exactly, that
was an.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Exactly so for the audience too, eg Go Gore, It's
kind of like similar to how we have Christmas and
all of these holidays right throughout the year. It's where
everyone kind of just ritualistically, they all kind of get
together and they don't know why they're doing it. They
don't know how it got here. They're not questioning anything
in the reality, they're just partaking in certain things. But

(36:30):
it's crazy, man, So real quick, I wanted to circle
back around. You talked about cabal real quickly. Absolutely, yeah,
go ahead. This was almost kind.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Of an answer to h I kind of went off
in a different way, but I didn't want to bring
this up. But you mentioned something about like the science,
so like I guess kind of being hidden too, like
not showing it or not letting you come out. Something
I just do want to mention is because we've covered
it on the show and I didn't even know when
the Lisa brought it up for the show. Maxwell's father

(36:58):
he basically for a long time controlled the medical I
mean the science field with like if you published any papers,
odds are he was the one. He owned the company
that did it, so that meant he controlled what papers
got published. He did that for a while. No life
people would go look into that. You'd realize that that

(37:19):
family actually probably ran the last twenty years of how
we were disseminated information in the scientific community. It's actually
pretty freaking wild. It's like, you know, why aren't we
talking about that? And I mean, listen, that stuff is
horrible with Epstein, but you know, with the kids. But

(37:40):
it's like, even with him, what's up with the lab
that we talked about when he first got it, Why
aren't we talking about, like, you know, Maxwell's family basically
like running scientific community foul? Well? Oh yeah, he sees
so much more devastated. Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
And that stuff with the Epstein you know we had on.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
While doesn't exist, it doesn't exist. That's not all the
whole crazy what's going on here? Oh I know, I know.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
And what's so funny is is you know Epstein wasn't
just only involved in blackmail and that kind of whole ordeal, right,
but I think he was. And we had on Brad
Binkley in the Propaganda Report. He talks about where Epstein
was involved in funding a lot of operations and then
when you dig into those operations, Oh yeah, dude, and

(38:24):
he was in Peter exactly, Peter teal right, We're I
can't wait to get into that with your panel, because
that's crazy him and Alex Karp are just like these
Lord of the Ring nerds. But because they name everything,
you know after you know, the Lord of the Ring
is kind of saga and stuff. Yeah, it's a it's

(38:46):
a symbol. It's almost like it gives like personification to
a lot of these ideas of what they are trying
to do with the AI. I mean because when you
look at in the movie, you know, you can see
what palanteer was actually used for. It's used for military strategy.
That's it here on Israel. Oh yeah, yeah, man.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
I think I honestly, I think he's the new iron
dome that they use. Oh dude, there's I guess it
didn't work too well for the guy with the lawnmower
stopped on his back. He's got allows flying it. This
is what started, you know, possible World War three, the
guy with with a towel and a propeller on his back.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Really right, right, golly man, jeez, it's it's all crazy, man.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Oh man, dude.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
The artificial intelligence and so I tell you what, let's
let's just kind of let's get into that like artificial
intelligence and and the fact that there's a possibility for
a s I artificial superintelligence, and then right after that,
you know, a G A g I artificial I'm sorry,
it's it's a g I first and as I artificial

(39:59):
general intelligen and then artificial superintelligence. What comes after that,
I feel is called what's what's known as singularity, and
singularity how I put it is in a way to
where it's like my kid, right my kid's two years old.
I have to nurture my kid, I have to feed
my kid. I have to do all these things until
they're old enough to where they can do it themselves.

(40:22):
And that's that's how I kind of wrap this idea
of singularity with with AI. It's it's not conscious right now.
Maybe at one point it'll seek a consciousness, but that's
very similar to how one day my kid's going to
want to, you know, leave the house. And once that

(40:42):
idea happens, where my kid leaves the house, I have
no more control over it at all. I don't I
can't even predict the outcomes, right, and so if we
if that happens with artificial intelligence, you know it's going
to be nuts. But what do you think are the
connections with the occult and AI.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Well, I definitely think there's something there. Uh again, like
even like even you know I said before, I think
electricity magnetism really kind of boils down to like magic
and stuff. And I think, like that's even like the
computers we're using with the electricity, and like the way

(41:25):
I think that I don't know how to get into
is that in AI is like all kind of like connected.
Like I do actually think like using electricity is messing
with magic, right right, So I think we're what we're
using right here. I mean Anthonysius Kircher predicted back in
the sixteen hundreds. He says, at some point in the future,

(41:47):
between crystals and light will be able to project spirits
of demons. If you think about how our optimal cable works.
Is this light getting shined and then these crystals glow
in front of us are on our iPhone? When the
guy really wasn't too far rop right. What was this
guy's name, Anthony Cus Kirchen. I think he might have

(42:07):
been another Jesuit priest though.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yeah, it seems like all I mean the Roman Catholic
church is filled with the cultist.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Right yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever, I like, I'm like, oh,
let me think about a cultist to cover. Oh, let
me checked. It's sorry. Well, like I'll even go like
believe it or not. Some of the weird stuff is
if you look at like the Gnostic Saint lists from
like the people that Crowley put on the OTEO thing,
Like there's some people on there that you'd be like,
what the fuck are they doing on here?

Speaker 1 (42:32):
For the Catholic Church, right, for the people that don't
know about the oto, could you just kind of describe
that for us?

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yeah, the Auto templey Orientis it was uh, it was
the order that was eventually handed over to Alice the Crowley.
I'm sure everybody knows who he is, the big mid beast. Uh. Yeah,
they gave it to him. This is even the story,
if it's even truthful. My opinion, I do think he was,
you know, a double agent, or at least he was intelligent.
It's for at least one country, I'm sure. So, Like

(43:03):
I don't even know how much to believe about the
guy that in general, but or his stories, but uh,
I suppose he was handed over to him. It was
a Masonic. It was a Masonic order originally that was
it was like a h it was uh. They sometimes
you have it orders where it's like to me, they'll
have like another order that's kind of like associated. They like,
if you if you were a Mason who automatically came

(43:24):
in and might have went to a different degree. If
you know, if you were a certain degree in the Freemasons.
You know, like he'll say, you're like twelve degree in
the Freemasons, you did and may not start off at
first or zero in the OTO, he went started off
for like thirdsth you know, so it uh, it was
set up like that. When Crowley took it over, he
ended all that. He changed and took out most of

(43:46):
the UH initiations. I think there was like thirty three
and he dropped him down to like thirteen or something
like that.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Now, why why did they Sorry, I don't mean to
cut you off. I don't need to forget your thought.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Why did they give it to him? Yeah? Well what
makes it's kind of like yeah, like I mean, I mean,
I don't know. I mean, maybe it's the truth, But
to me, I was always just like it sounds like
just sounds too easy for people who like I want
to believe.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
And I like, do they feel like maybe there's a
certain characteristic of adept in them? Maybe like like to
where they It's like when it's it's like, I compare
this with Star Wars, because Star Wars to me, is
about the occult, but it's where guigan Jin, you know,
senses that Anakin is the chosen One. So they just

(44:29):
come bring him in and they make him a Jedi,
you know.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Yeah. No, he put out the Book of the Law
and they came across it and they're like, oh, you're
telling our secrets and this and that, and supposed he's like,
I don't know who you are, and then like, oh,
we got to have a talk. And then all of
a sudden they give them the OTO. Interesting. I mean
maybe they went that way. Maybe he didn't. I don't know.
He even had the Astar Gentlem and it's like kind

(44:54):
of knowing that that was not his either. It's there's
was around way before him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
So and so the ot O, where's that out of?

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Uh well, I mean it's all over the it's global, right, Okay,
So it's very similar.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
How Freemasons are all over the place, got temples all
oh yeah, yeah, Freemason.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Temples are much more common. I mean, uh, the OTO
may not even have something in every state, but they
are throughout the country and in other countries as well,
but like I don't know if there's one in Alabama,
I couldn't tell. But in New York and New Jersey
and you know, a few other states. I definitely did
North Carolina, South Carolina, they have like stuff. But yeah,

(45:39):
uh yeah, what was the question. Oh yeah, it's a
little bit in the way. It's not like Freemasonry, though,
I will say is like in Freemasonry, if you want
to start getting into the occult stuff, you'll play out
to be there for a long time. You walk into
the OTO, I mean, that's like what you're there for.
I mean, if you're going if it's not a Gnostic mass,
which is a huge ritual like type of thing that

(46:00):
you're watching, well, you're watching, my opinion, somebody cross the
abyss and come back. You watch that. I mean, that's
like that's in your face right away. Or for it's
a class. It's gonna be in a class on something
like to do with the cultism of magic. So it's
like if you go to the OTO, it's yeah, I
mean your cultism is in your face right away, you know. Yeah,
you know, the Martinists might be the same way. The

(46:21):
Golden Dome be the same way, but definitely not the Freemasons.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Now, since there's all these different groups of you know, occultist, right,
Freemason's Golden Dawn oto, all right, what distinguishes them different
from each other? Is it like a hierarchy?

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Uh like their own set of like probably beliefs of Uh.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
So it's like denominations, yeah yeah, Or it's like.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
I mean, it's also very like it's teetering cult like
well one I will even say the Otoh I forgot
which degree is he? The seventh of the eighth? I
never made it that high obviously, Uh you have you're
signing to them, So I mean at that point it's
a I mean a cult. But like I think I

(47:10):
forgot what was the question? I'm so sorry?

Speaker 1 (47:12):
No, just like what distinguishes them to be different from
each other? Are they like denominations?

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, it's almost kind of like that, like
it's normally always has like some person who had an experience.
It's like, I mean, really no different than Mormonism with
Joseph Smith. You know, he had this experience with Angel
Moroni and now he has his own version of like
his Bible and stuff. It's really like some of the
orders sometimes are things even start from like somebody who

(47:37):
claimed to have had this magical experience and this is
what they think, blah blah blah, and people get into
it like a cult almost m h. I mean a
lot of stuff kind of does happen like.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
That, right right, And so within these different kinds of
orders of things, right like are there, I.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Mean those are also like newer, like you know what
I'm saying, Like that that perfect example, I guess would
kind of be like temple is set, you know, a
Quino started at like from how he sees things from
his experiences. You know what I'm saying. It's more of
like a newer thing the freemasons. I couldn't really tell
you too much because I'm sure that goes back a

(48:15):
lot further, but just like new orders and you know,
like kind of like the Golden Dorn and Oto. Since then,
in my opinion, you do see a lot of stuff
that is kind of very much based on one person's
experience that like it is highly known or famous in
the in that in that area. Look at Plovotsky just theosophy,
but I mean people don't know who she is, so

(48:39):
you got Thlma, you got Parsons. I mean that you
know the Lima as well. Uh, even like scientology goes
back to al Ron Hubbert one dude's idea of what
our reality is and how are you gonna get saved? Right? Right?
What do you think?

Speaker 1 (48:53):
What do you think these players like Aleister Crowley, Jack Parsons,
you know Hubber?

Speaker 2 (49:00):
What were they What were their goals? What do you think?
I think they were all trying to really mentally screw people.
Mass is a deception, I think Crowley definitely, Uh my opinion,
I do think. I try not to try to see

(49:21):
how I can say this my opinion. There is certain
things I guess that might be true about the idea
of Nazis like nowadays, but my idea of that from
the past, it's really more of magic to where it's
like you're deceiving massive amounts of people with sound and video,

(49:42):
you know, or things might be exaggerated, or things might
be taken out of context, but it's there to put
massive fear into people, you know. Like I'll use one
example without having to use World War two. I really
I didn't have any side and I don't care. But

(50:02):
like with the Ukraine War when it first started, we
most of the footage that we were getting from over
there was coming from the Azof battalion, and that was
any news art you could see, Ann Fox, uh MSNBC,
A lot of them were getting it from the Azov battalion.
We'll even say on the thing, you know, supply by
as well. They also you know, rep a swastika, you know.

(50:27):
And I think a lot of the stuff that we
were being supposedly told going on over there was a
lot of But like what I'm getting at is like
why or is somebody who's weren't sports the Nazi swastika
giving us the image of what's going on over there.
That's the aid that's something to be worried because we're
going to be deceived by whatever that TV or that

(50:48):
video that image is telling. NASA, NASA same thing. If
it wasn't for Jack Parsons breakthrough with rockets, we were
never had an excuse to even get up to outer space.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Right right exactly, Man and I feel.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Ways to deceive people, and al Ron Hubbard he just
knew how to manipulate people. And I think the stuff
that eventually, hopefully that will show that there is quite
possible that Aron Hubbard was actually like hugely involved with them,
Kay Ultra and the Monto experiments.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Oh yeah, absolutely, man, And I think to a big
part of their rituals, sex, rituals, magic, whatever they were doing,
especially doing these things in the desert. You know, you've
got Jack Parsons with the Babylon working I believe it
was called. And then you had Alistair Crowley with you know,
Deyon of Horus. He wrote, you know, the Book of
the Law. He had this avatar appeared to him called

(51:51):
a was right, you lamb all these things, the one
that looked like the modern day gray, Yeah, one hundred
percent was kind of wild. Uh what's your what's your
idea with with those those entities?

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Like how do you.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Recommind around that?

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Uh? I think, hmmm, I don't know who he's contacting
of what he's contacting. I'll just put it that way.
But like before when I told you that, like all right,
the Book of the Law was dictated to his girl Rose,
So basically, child, we think about it that way, there's

(52:35):
another channel. He's just like Joseph Samanthan is in his
Oliver Crowdery.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
He used to he used women for all kinds of
different things, right.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Yeah, yeah, like that guy took Smith's notes of like
Morona talking to him, so you know she's taking the
notes from him. But I mean it's basically like what
I was going to get at what I told you
before that I had whenever I have a magical experience
is when I opened up my eyes, like, no different things. Well,
it'll be to the extent to where it's like unless
like maybe I had a voice recorder, but I don't

(53:03):
even know. If I could say everything and typed at
the same time, maybe I could get every single foot
down that I'm gonna probably forget eventually because so much
is coming out and so I believe it or not.
It's is that crazy? And sometimes I, like I do
wonder like is that all this was? It was like
this guy just had like I don't want to say
this was a positive magical experience. He could have been

(53:26):
doing something different, but like was it still like afterwards,
was it still that outcome to where he's just blurting
out stuff from something that I contacted and rose was there?
It just here we go, right, this is the results
from his experience crossing the Abyss.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Right right, And it's funny too, because I think he's
even alluded to the fact that these things that were
channeled to him were angels and with how it influenced
him and how it impacted him, right, Crowley, it made
him write basically like a different kind of like gospel

(54:06):
per se right, And I find it interesting to you
just as a Christian, right like reading the scriptures, the
New Testament reading how you know, Paul's telling us that
if there is anyone that comes to you, and again
he could be writing to people you know, past, present, future.
It's kind of like how this furse plays out with me,
where he's like, if anyone comes to you with a

(54:29):
different gospel than the one that I've preached to you,
even if it was given to you by an angel,
and it doesn't match up with the one that I'm
talking about, he's like imposter or like watch out for that,
be careful. But it kind of like plays into the
idea of what was going on with with Crowley. So

(54:51):
you mentioned magic and have you had any experience with magic.
You've kind of alluded to that a little bit. Could
you tell me some of your experience.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Yeah, well, I know I do think I have crossed
the ABYSS. I do think I, you know, in the
have come with conscious contact with God.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Okay, so so the ABYSS, what does that consist of?
I've heard, I've read about it a little bit. I've
heard about it, but I don't know too much.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Uh man, there's so much behind that. Uh. I mean,
there's gonna be physical feelings and my visuals to all this.
But basically, uh.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Because when I think of the ABYSS, I think of
like just a nosing hit.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Oh no ah, believe it. This is gonna sound weird.
And it's another reason why I even brought up NASA
before too. But like a lot of not before I
cross over to the ABYSS, I do have certain visuals
that happen all the time. But like when I do
cross the abyss, it is almost kind of like it's
gonna sound crazy. Does look like you're kind of like
out in outer.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Space, like you're astral well yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
You're just thinking you're out there. There's like blackness, but
then there's also just like oldnest like you're when you
go into the From my experience, when you cross, when
I've grossed over to the abusiness is basically leaving form
and basically leaving self identity and just seeing yourself in
an experience. You feel like you're actually getting stretched out,

(56:11):
like and you don't have your body. It's just as
if you're I used to joke around and say almost
like the offer them where it's just like you're just like,
you know, just looking at everything. You're not actually like
there and uh, is it like in the movie get Out?
You know, I never watched the whole thing so that
I couldn't talk, okay, cause it's it's it's it's a
it's the movie get Out basically kind of I'm sure

(56:33):
you know what the movie is about a little bit.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
But it's like where you know the these these this
family that was in a cult family. Uh, they were
doing rituals on specifically black people because of their genetics,
and they were detaching their consciousness through frequencies and they
would get put into the this like I forget what
the what it's called in the movie. But you're you're

(56:56):
in this unknown like area. You're just floating and you're
falling from a hole like a light at the end
of the tunnel.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
And that and that is your perception still of like
your optics, right, but you're falling into like this this
abyss kind of this idea of an abyss.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Right.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
When I think of abyss, I think of like a
deep water right, like like it just goes down forever
and you're actually falling backwards and you're reaching out to
the to that optical perception, like that light at the
end of the tunnel, and you're just you're floating there forever.
And what happens is in that movie they actually were
ushering in the consciousness of one of their family members

(57:41):
who was very old but needed a new body.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
I do believe that actually stuff goes on. I do
think that you can swap. I know it sounds crazy,
I do think you can do. Well.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
It's being shown in movies all over the place. Man,
I mean I was, I'm at work and where I'm
with the boys. You know, everyone knows I'm a fireman.
So we all kind of hang out and chill on
the on the recliners a little bit. You know, we
worked twenty four hours, you know, leave us alone. So
we were watching Alien Alien Earth.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Oh and I've been told by so many people to
check that out.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Yeah, it's a pretty cool show. But in the first episode,
they literally transferred this girl's consciousness who was very sick
and moved it into a synthetic body. So there's this
idea of switching conscious or just moving this conscious over
to the to the next one. And it's kind of
like from the from the movie as well.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
It was something that was Netflix where these two kids
astro projected at the same time. Every the other one
was trick and the other one knowing they could go
with their body. It was a crazy see. It was
like it was a gay dude and a girl, and
the gay guy liked the girls dude, so like he
switched bodies so he could freak ups with the guy

(58:58):
and she he takes it to a geez crazy. I
was just like, yo, like this got weird and just
even weirder.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
So this does this idea have something to do with
kind of like maybe when I.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Saw that, I was just like, yo, I do believe
that that's possible. Oh man, I mean there's been stuff,
There's been stuff.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
That this is crazy. This is like they're like, you know,
a human to kind of understand because it's supernatural, right.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
There's even stuff like it, Like it's like I don't
I can't like speak on it too much. Only because
like there's not too much data to read but like
or to even see like people went and got like
you know, it depends if they want to take it
for what it's worth. You can probably find the PDF
of the secret Rituals of the O two and uh,
they go up to only a certain degree. And I

(59:43):
can tell you from like the first three that I took.
I mean there was maybe a little bit of stuff missing,
but I mean stuff that's really important wasn't there. So
like I knew, I knew what I was gonna do
before I did it, because I already right ahead of it,
you know what I'm saying. So like at one of them, though,
I higher up, and so I was talking about like

(01:00:03):
taking I think, like the soul out of a homo
oculous and like, which I do think is the brain,
uh really in trying to put trying to put something
back in before the ego comes back. So it sounds
like it might opinion that you're like kind of swapping.
And I was like, oh, that's a little weird. Yeah,
the idea of a homony. I'm not a member, and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

(01:00:27):
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
I was. I had on a buddy of mine who
lives in the area near me. One on one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Oh yeah, yeah, I've had one, I think once or twice.
Cool dude, I like, yeah, one one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
It's a good guy man and uh real nice guy,
very respectful guy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
And he comes moculous. We had him on from that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
Yeah, he talks about the ho monculus. You know, it
seems like there's so why is alchemy and what's the
connection with alchemy and homunculus.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
That's why I do think umculus why speed kind of
hard for you to explain, but I do think it
sometimes is the brain or like it even shows like
if you go in and like looked up the homoculus,
you'll see how like a body is used like alongside
the brain to show like how it controls those things,
like you will find like even like I think medical

(01:01:20):
terms actually showing the momoculus is possibly being used to
represent the brain. Whereas Oh again, I do think that
if if death is a reality of magic, there's going
to be a story from like when your eyes are

(01:01:41):
open till they're closed to like going to your brain
and leaving your body. Like honestly, like that that's my
opinion that from everything is from your eyes in here
to your brain maybe even some of your other stuff.
Believe it or not. There is paintings, there's symbology, there's sigils,
there's all sorts of stuff actually showing all that, especially

(01:02:03):
the eyeballs. The Catholic Church is loaded with the inside
of the eye of your eyeball. People don't even realize.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
How far back does that symbolism go.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
I mean to when I was in Italy. It's all
over that that stuff that you know, stuff in Rome,
I mean just everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Yeah, is it like ancient Egyptian only or does it
like go all the way back to ancient Mesopotamia or.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
I'd say their style of how they show certain things
like in my opinion, you know, I don't I don't
want anybody take offense to it. If I'm looking at
it like this, I don't put any less value into it.
But the sea show is used a lot. In my opinion.
You always see water running from it in your eyeball.

(01:02:51):
The ori serrato looks like a seashell, and above it
you'll have liquid in your eye that has blood in it, well,
the ocuous, the vitreous humor. But then underneath where that
seashell or serato looks you have regular water, and so
it means to me, it's just seeing the seashell and

(01:03:13):
then you're seeing the water right there, and above the
seashell is a thing that looks like your Hiloyd canal
goes up, and then you have the virtuous nerves that
hang down and it looks just like a tree, and
the things that are inside the virtuous nerves almost look
like pomegranates. So it's like, you don't he's like wondering.
It's like, you know, you're going from water to wine too,
almost like it looks like going from the water to

(01:03:34):
now blood inside liquid. Like there's a lot of things
in the eyeballs that I actually think is all over
the Catholic Church and in the Bible, honestly.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Right right, yeah, the cacolatures is wild.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Man. I could like, I could show you, like if
you were to pick up a view of the eyeball
and then look at the birth of Venus the same thing. Really,
that guy knew exactly what the eyeball looked like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Oh wow, geez, I I could easily like, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
I'll send you after the show, I'll send Yeah, I
have on my computer and you'll be like, yeah, this
guy wasn't talking smack, that's crazy. I even have this tattoo.
You can't even see it too well, but I mean,
I gotta check on my own. Nothing of it probably
looks like the occult and it is or an ibel,
I believe it or I it is is an artistic
depiction of the inside of the eye. To my to

(01:04:22):
the way I look at it. Interesting I had.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
I had Raven on one time and top Lobster from
Nephlim Desk. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was this yeah, oh
were you okay? Yeah, And Raven brought up one time
because we were talking about the movie Avengers. We were
getting in. I was on their show and I was
getting into how Ultron is this anti Christ figure. It

(01:04:50):
goes from being AI, it goes from and it literally
it's literally went through the stages of development and went
through you know, artificial intelligence, artificial general intelligence, artificial superintelligence.
But then at one point he was seeking a body.
And this kind of goes to like the transfer of
the consciousness. Where what was Ultron doing in that movie?

(01:05:12):
He was actually building a body for himself. A how
monkeylous maybe right, but he was building a body for
himself who was vision and vision he actually threw up
the sigil of Lucifer and it's actually how our eyes
receive light from you know, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
So oh, even the uncoastal hextagram even gets very close
to that, believe it or not. NASA, like I had
mentioned before, the Hubble telescope, the way it reflects the
mirrors reflect the light to get the image mixed the
universal experm that's another reason why I think NASA magical. Sih.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
This is uh, let's see if I can screen share
this with you for the audience so they can kind
of check this out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
See, so this is the.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Yeah, this is the sigil, and this is like how
the was it the corneal cortex. I don't know, I'm
not a reflects off of the lens. Yeah, exactly right,
right right. And it was funny how how the the
the the body he was creating was called vision. So

(01:06:28):
I found that interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
See, like that something to me would make me think
that he was the brain and then vision was what
he created. Okay, yeah, we're a way to become self
aware or would you say that's yeah, because that gives
you the option to be able to see a reflection

(01:06:51):
of yourself somehow you don't see something you know you have,
you have a way to have an idea of self
and what you are not hm hmm interesting. I guess
I'll just some deep stuff. I think it might actually
be like that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
Yeah, do you do you think do you think like
Alistair Crawley, Jack Parsons, you know, uh, these people were
trying to bring in some sort of anti Christ. I
wouldn't doubt it or some sort of and again that
could be kind of you know, generalized as why I
just take that as like anything negative, right, something to

(01:07:32):
because it makes me think.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
They were here too mentally manipulated humans. I think all
three of them are part of something to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Yeah, yeah, because I mean Alana Bovelosky she kind of
talks about this like Luciferian doctrine and and the ushering
in of.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Of what that entity is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
And then Alice Bailey talks about the lets she talked about.
I forget it's the it's like the one of the
It's it's bigger then the ascending Master. It's like this
this this maitra mitra or I got to find the
exact spelling on it. Let me see here to do.

(01:08:19):
I'm trying to find it on Google. Oh goodness, well
this sucks. Sorry everybody. I'll figure it out. We'll circle
back around. But it was it was basically that there's
going to be like this Christ that kind of comes
into the world. Biblically, you know, we view that as
like the anti Christ, because we believe the Christ already came.

(01:08:40):
And so I guess I'll just pick your brain on this,
like do you think the occult is still working on
that through rituals or whatever it is to bring in this.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
I don't know, this idea of.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
A world ruler.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
I guess, oh yeah, yeah. I mean I would say
they're all part of like kind of like where where
how we've gotten to where we are today?

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
M Because we know the concept of like, you know,
a new world order all this stuff AI, and it
seems like at some point, when are they going to
just give the keys to this certain thing and just say, hey,
the world is yours now if that makes sense. You know,
who knows what entity it it'll consist of or you know,

(01:09:30):
I mean, I've got my beliefs, but it seems like,
at least from my research, that they're really pushing hard
with this through certain rituals. Again, I'm not an expert
on the rituals, but it seems to be like these
rituals can do really supernatural things, almost like unlocked doorways.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Yeah, I really can't, like you create like an energetic
field or something.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
Yeah, Now do you believe in like portals?

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Actually, have you ever had any experiences with maybe you know,
you know, doing that or maybe someone that you knew
that even or not.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
The reason why I believe that more is because of
people that have actually purposely but I personally personally met
that are in the science into science and actually like
maybe looking into that or and because of like just
like certain like Ashton Forbes and other people.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
That I was going to bring that up too. I
was gonna I was gonna be like, you know what,
what does he talk about with Grenier two?

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
I think is a rather interesting He was kind of
presenting stuff like that at the Cosmic Stumma too.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
Okay, what was the type what was he talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
You know, he thinks that they have that type of technology.
Basically for me, I think Portal's why I think it's
possible is because, uh, I do question if it's I
think I think a lot of times when they're trying
to do like weird stuff, like even I wonder about cern.
I question if they're trying to take this may sound

(01:10:51):
crazy like one person's personal magical experience whatever. I do
believe there's some sort of it's gonna sound crazy. I
think it's like you're almost imploded. It's like if you're soul.
It's hard to explain, but it feels like you go
one way and then go sucked out the other way.
So it's almost like kind of like how you would

(01:11:12):
even see like a black hole even come to be
you know what happens at the end. It does actually
feel like that, and it sounds crazy. So sometimes I
wonder if this technology and the stuff that they're making
is trying to mass produce that one small little event
that happens to a person when their soul leaves their body,
if they're trying to take that and like mass produce it,

(01:11:35):
and then that that would possibly create portals, because I
do think with with magic and a sense, you're kind
of going like when you come back, you're back to
the future. Like it sounds like silly, but like you're
kind of going back in time before the flesh, when
you were a spirit, before you inhabited this body. So
I do things like in a sense, you can start

(01:11:56):
you can like play around.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
I think, well right now is this like something as
far as like fourth dimension talk or well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
I think kind of going more into the spirit which
like actually ret you like more on again like again,
this is where I start like thinking that science and
the occult starts the match if you you could. Technically,
I can't explain it the best. This Ricardo guy's a genius.
He's on you know, part of the Occult Rejects team.
He has his own stuff too natural it's to a philosophy. Uh.

(01:12:27):
He even has like that you know, paperwork and everything
from other people, not him, you know, but you know
it's been reviewing all stuff like it's you know, taken
to be possible or you don't you know it is possible,
you know, just matching frequencies in certain ways you can
actually travel like from one place to the next or
that really having to do anything. As long as you
wink up with this like certain frequency, be everything just

(01:12:51):
be able to kind of almost go back and like
back and forth through the whole fight. Sounds crazy, but
like it would just basically kind of like almost like
we'll get through a portal. Interesting, our government has technology
to like make holograms like in the woods, so it's like,
you know, like if they could do that, like they

(01:13:12):
can make portals too. I don't know, you know, right
right exactly?

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
That's crazy man. So so have you had any experiences
with magic? You know, because I saw an awesome clip
of yours that Bennett made talking about you know, uh
liver King.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
Oh the eye stuff. Yo. When every time I have
a mess with magic, one of my eyeballs always blows
up and the other one gets pinned. There'll be anywhere
from like fort to six millimeters in a difference. And
if it's like six, that means the other one's fully
at eight and the other one's at two. But like
I remember, like last time when it happened, it was
like there's a full millimeter difference. But I mean still

(01:13:56):
that's like you notice it you look at somebody's eyes
and be like, what is wrong? But yeah, like one
will get all the ways small and the other one's bigger.
That happens every time I have a magical experience when
I open up my eyes some you know, a couple
of times it took weeks for it to go away,
or sometimes to go away after a few days. Geez.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
Every time, what kind of like it kind of like
makes me think of what you were talking about about
the eye in general, right, and you're happening.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
Me look into the eye, and I started realizing how
weird it is. And I was like, well, that looks
like a called sigil. That looks like it's called art.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
Yeah, yeah, I mean you actually had like symptomatic effects.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Yeah, And like even though the hospital said, like you whatever,
basic stuff, they did the like, you know, you seem
to be seeing all right, you know, but go see
a specialist and then or whatever. I went and sol
when like two weeks later when I got there, it
went down from four to three. So it took like
almost two weeks for dude to really go down that
that and then I think like a week a week
later it was totally fine, but like it took a

(01:14:54):
while for it to even go down after the first one.
After that time, but uh, she noticed it and she
had even like she did all her things. I looked
at all this stuff, and she was even like, your
eyesight's fine, She's like, I know, I'm looking at everything.
She was like, I can't even tell you why this happened?
What's wrong? Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
And this is consistent. This is something that happens pretty
much every time.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
If I the guy I was saying before, there is
a certain uh things that always repeat visually physically, I
feel certain experiences before I cross the biz, so I
know I know when to fold them, you know. If
I don't want to go that far, I know to
bring on the fear that we'll stop. Uh. If I

(01:15:41):
bring myself kind of close to the edge, like hold
myself there, it's like again it's like I'll be seeing
a specific image and if I just like kind of
hold it and don't let it do the next thing,
I can kind of get some benefits out of it,
almost like magic to where it's like my be energetic

(01:16:02):
or like I might understand it a little bit a
little bit more than I not as much as if
I actually dived in, you know. Or it could be
very what's the word I'm looking for. It's just something
that could give me like passion or something like, oh,
give me an idea that like, oh, I got to
work on this. This is what I gotta do, you know, whatever,
it gives me ideas. It could almost be like a muse.

(01:16:22):
I guess I figure. I was going, oh, so like
I can hold myself to the edge and that go
completely over and then when I come out of it.
Sometimes even when I do that, you'll even see a difference.
I've actually it was a long time ago, but I
even did that on one time. I posted my eyes
on Twitter. It's probably like two years ago at this point,
and I was like, oh, that was when magic. My
pupils were totally different.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
Could you take me through, like, like, what what consists
of you know, doing I don't know what to call it,
like a magic show or it's not like a magic show, right,
but it's what does it look like?

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
Oh like when I crossed the abyss. Yeah, it's the
setting for me, believe it or not. The only time
is it ever happened that serious? It was me just
sitting in a chair meditating. I did not do any
ritual work at will.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
Actually, are you like totally cut off from all sensory
deprivate like sensory deprivation?

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
No, I did it sleep a sensory deprivation tank one time,
and like I swear that was like kind of got
my kind of close there. I saw the eclipse. Put
it that way, like that we see the eclipse before
I blast off. I was able to bring myself to
that point, brother quick in one of those tanks. But uh,
it's normally like I'm just believing I'm just sitting in
a chair with a flat back. I had to make

(01:17:42):
sure it was flat and put my arm my arms
like this on my legs, my back straight, close my
eyes and go into meditation for a while. There'd be
certain techniques that I would do to this, like try
to like feel my body or you know, and feel
the energy go up and down. I work on chakras
and stuff. But at one point I started noticing if
I was like some people, I don't know if people

(01:18:04):
have listened to your show mess with chakras, but like
some people will say that they can feel them or
it almost feels like a spinning bull.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
And these are these points, these are these points right
throughout the body. Just what the chakras are? Okay, gotcha?

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
And uh, the third eye, I was pressing on it
like it's like you could like kind of feel like
the energetic bulls. And I was one time, like I
was pushing on it when I was meditating, and it's
gonna sound weird, but like it seemed like it made
the blackness that I already had from my eyes being
closed like darker like and it almost looked like it

(01:18:41):
was just like like like as I pushed on it,
and I remember that, and I was like, I gotta
do that again, you know why not right as a
magician doing presses the buttons? What happened?

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Good point, that's a good point. Yeah, exactly right, because
it's all kind of experiment.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
I gotta hit every.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Flood right, right, because there's no there's like no protocol
to these things, right, It's more like.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Well, that was even another reason why I hadn't. I mean,
there's multiple reasons why I left the OTO, but one
of them was my opinion someone there is just someone
there has to know what's up. I don't believe that
you all, none of views have had a magical experience.
You should really tell people what magic might be. You

(01:19:31):
give a little bit more of a background of what
it couldn tell because if it is really what I
think it is, it's that's rather serious. Right, Like if
somebody would have told me Oh yeah, well I want
to practice magic. You're gonna have to probably die for
like ten seconds maybe. Yeah, Wow, that's crazy. There was
a yeah, you gotta bring up flat liners?

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
Yes, yes, sorry, I'm a movie guy, dude, and I
bring up your illustrates things.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Dude. I was just going to bring it up and say,
that's real. That's crazy, you know, because he's basically watching
what uh a cheek code or a short cut to
a magical expanse would be, And what.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Was the what was the goal they were trying to
achieve in that movie? They were just trying to just
cross over, right, It's yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
And every time they came back there, things were always
like they knew different things or like things. It just
wasn't the same anymore either. Mm. That is one thing.
When I went to the I ended up in the hospital.
I did it like three times in a week, and
like I physically did not feel right, and I was like, yo,
like my body just like I think I'm screwing myself up.
And that's when I went up going going into the

(01:20:40):
hospital because I'll be talking honest with I didn't feel right.
My head feels gonna explode. I felt like electricity going
up up and down my legs. My eyesight wasn't even
normal and like, man, just yeah looking like I was
just like, oh, I was just really get the ideas
from vampires from it. It's like, yo, it was killing
me to look outside, was killing my eyes. Luckily, the

(01:21:01):
hospital I went to is only like like less than
five miles five minutes away, so like, I mean I
could see enough to drive, I guess, so I drove
myself there. But I mean I was a little dangerous,
but I was just something was wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
Yeah, they did they find anything, Like did they.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
Find I mean, they confirmed the ice stuff. I mean,
but again, they don't know what was wrong. Then they
hit me with this thing and it's never been an
issue since then. I And there's a certain word for
just somebody in the medical field that listens to the
show that Paul, we know what I'm talking about. Well,
yea hemoglobin starts to go up in your blood. It
almost kind of makes it like slutch. And sometimes that
could just happen if people randomly out of nowhere. There

(01:21:38):
is certain reasons why, and I think, but there is
you know, sometimes it can just happen and you may
have to go like once a month and get like
your ship filtered, like not filter, but they'll have to
give you like a bag of blood that it kind
of like will thin you out for the next month.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
It's a call. It was it polysimthemia or something.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
I only had it. Yeah, yeah, I'll just sort it's
a story then, and you really don't know the name
of it. They gave me a bag of blood and
a bag of alien when I was there and told me,
which actually was crazy as that I actually felt like
ten times better after they even did that, not gonna
swear to God, like even like the headaches started to

(01:22:17):
go away. They gave me that because they said my
hemoglobe was jacked up from to nineteen point six and
I think they said, like thirteen or fourteen is like average,
and they said just like sludg I don't know. Uh,
So they gave me that, and then they said you
might have this whatever type of thing because they couldn't
figure out why it would even happen. So they're like,

(01:22:39):
you must be one of those one of those rare
people where it just happens to you. You probably might have
to go and get get this done. Every month, they said,
go see this specialist. They're gonna take your stuff and
then they'll let you know, and you know if it's
if it's bad, you know, you'll probably have to keep
going every month. And I went and they said, no,
you seem fine, just come back more time in a month.
And when I went back, They're like, no, you're fine.

(01:23:00):
Like it must have been a freak thing that like
never had the problem again. Wow, that's crazy. All I
knew was gonna be some inconvenient thing that I would
have to once a month probably get a bag of blood.
I was just like, yo, what yeah, yeah, so I
do chuck that up to possible, uh messing with magic now.
One thing too, I think somehow in their plasma does

(01:23:22):
come up or get involved, because I remember originally looking
into it and like, you know, because at one point
I was like, yo, something up with the eyes and
the blood. You just you know'ster that experience and all
these things wrong with me. I'm just like trying to see,
like what could make this happen. I don't make it
sound woo whooa or corny, but I mean plasma is
kind of like light. You don't even think about it.

(01:23:42):
I mean, I don't know, like is there something that's
being used when you shoot out of your skull and
to the abyss. I don't know, Like I'm wondering like
if you it's such some sort of fuel or something like,
since I was kind of I'll be honest, it was
probably abusing it. Is that why I was like that?
Then I burned something up? Do they overdo something? Yeah?

(01:24:03):
It's wild.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
I mean it almost makes me think of sorry. I
mean I always relate everything, you know, kind of like
to what I know, as far as the Bible where
it says, you know, the life is in the blood,
you know, and when you look at life, it's like
it kind of like breaks that down, especially when you
go back to like either the Greek or the Hebrew.
Whenever it's used, there's context wrapped around of all that stuff.

(01:24:25):
But I like to dig deep, deep, deep into the
into the meanings of these things where it's relating to consciousness.
And so maybe you know, small even smaller than the
the quantum level of things, you know, maybe at the
sub atomic level even maybe smaller than that where we
just can't see it. I can't even see it through

(01:24:46):
an electronic microscope. But to where you there's some sort
of relationship with our blood and our consciousness, maybe our
spirit something like that. So so when these when these
speriences do happen, maybe maybe when it when I don't know,
you know, it's like I don't know how to explain it,

(01:25:09):
but maybe it has something to do with, you know,
going into these states of mind or going into you know,
trying to cross this abyss or whatever that you're coming
back from a foreign land. So you might you might
have you might have a piece of bacteria on you. You
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
Oh, yeah, I think that possible. Yes, I mean there's
even like, do you know so many protocols are to
like build like some sort of barrier around you. Even
the Gateway process tells you to do that. Yeah, there's
like there's like, yeah, there's I think even something like
the Golden Door. It could be wrong, but there is
ideas of actually like kind of what do you think
of the banishing ritual? You're banishing all the energy around

(01:25:47):
in your area to make sure nothing you know, it's
all you. Yeah, it's wild. That's crazy, man.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
What was so what was some of the craziest experiences
you've had with.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
The one time? What was it before or half. I
think it was, Well, it could have been before I
actually had like the wild like actually closing the abyss,
which that would probably take a while to cover. But
I mean, like if you ever wanted to talk about that,
that might take like a half out forty minutes unfortunately
to give like a really good explanation, but uh, or

(01:26:22):
a story of it. But like one time I can't
remember again if it was before I after that, but
when I knew it was like, you know, the whole
tonal thing, like I know, I was like pressing on it.
Like one time I was meditating and I was pressing
on it. I think this was before before like a
wild experience. I was practicing pressing on it because I
had noticed that I said that it did look like

(01:26:43):
something would change in my eyesight with my eyes closed,
and uh, when I was doing it, I started noticing
that almost like a like flashing when I have my
eyes closed, but it's like almost like there's something that
was flashing like around me that like I could see
almost coming into like through my eyelids. I was like,
oh that, I'm like thinking on look, maybe an ambulance
is going by or something or whatever car nothing so

(01:27:05):
that I do it again. Takes me a minute to
get back to where I was again, and I start
like I'm pressing on my panial guy and I start
seeing this flashing again. I was like, oh, what is
going on? I'm like the aircondis is not even on,
so it can't be. Like I at one point I
was thinking like the candle, but it was like it
was probably like six feet hour. It was a decent
amount of way that It's like when I closed my eyes,

(01:27:27):
like it would disappear. So why am I seeing like
a flashing? It just didn't make any sense to me
that it was the candle because it wasn't doing that
when I closed my eyes originally, you know what I'm
getting at. Like, So at one point, like I don't know,
it happened again and I started to question, like and
I was like, no, this is insane to think of this,
but like, could it literally be for me pressing on
my pinal gun? I was like, Nah, that can't be.

(01:27:49):
So I actually get up and like go over to
it and look down at it, and like I get
myself kind of into that same scenario and like try
to kind of have my eyes open a little bit,
and I started pushing the flame moves and that actually
freaked me out, Like that's actually to me, that was
like kind of scary because that told me right there

(01:28:11):
that if that really happened, this reality isn't the way
I thought I ever was, because I should have been
able to do that. That like literally did freak me
out believing. I know some people like, oh, it doesn't sound
like it, but like, if that really happens, I'm sure
you'd be questioning, like yourself and God are like what's

(01:28:31):
up right? Yeah it is if you really think about it. Man,
it's not you know, I don't even admitted to get
the ship out of me that I didn't get no
kicks off that I ain't doing it to make money
now because it's actually creepy.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
Yeah, that's wild, dude, that's wild. I mean I'd like
to hear about your your experience with with you know,
the abyss and everything like that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
Oh, I mean I could try to go through like
real quick.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
Yeah, I means we got like thirty five minutes, man,
I mean I'm very cool.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
All right. Uh all right the visuals again. Uh, well,
first off, like I said, I would be in the chair,
Uh when I would do my meditations. I would like
kind of envision like white light coming in through the top,
going down through my body and then through my legs
and into the ground come and kind of almost like
you know, grounding myself and throughout that whole time, it's

(01:29:30):
like I'll try to like have my eyes closed and
like try to visualize the energy like going through my
body and like shing it in my you know, you
know ethereal body whatever they call that sub astral body,
you know, but like you believe it, it does kind
of I think that stuff's actually really really important. What
was for me to have the experience that I had
for me, Like I could actually as I'm closing my

(01:29:50):
eyes and envisioning like white going through like what I'm
seeing as myself, you will, I will actually feel like
warmth through something moving as I'm visualizing in my brain,
So there is sort of mental contact I was making
to my body, you know. I would do that, and
then the chakras, you know, that whole thing too, Like
I'd say, I'd be able to feel those. I would
go up and down, and then I eventually would start

(01:30:12):
pressing on the pineal gland when the you know, I
ended up, you know, crossing the abyss. I was pressing
on it and again, like it would almost look like
if I was like looking down at a black table,
but I thought it was clean and like when like that,
and then realized it was like dusty and all the
dust blow out and you just saw like it just

(01:30:34):
looks like this black like like oil coming out of
the ground that was like blacker than black. And it's
just such like like so like it starts getting really
dark and like around the edges almost kind of looks
like a like lasered like like thermal lights are like
almost like like really like almost like the rainbow colors,
but like really thin lights like almost like an oil

(01:30:54):
slick kind of coming out from the the blackness, and
it totally fills up. You're gonna get a kick out
of this. When you were saying something before, I was like, yo,
this is very much like my experience. As that happens,
all of a sudden, you'll see like a really small
like light pin dot light all the way in the distance,

(01:31:15):
looks like a burning star, like a blazing white star,
and the terrible darkness and he saw like you kind
of start focusing on it almost uts like to pull
like closer gets closer and closer, and sus that actually
starts to look like an eclipse. That's what I have
on my logo is this eclipse. I'll have this this eclipse.
We'll just be like sitting there just like it's sawmis

(01:31:39):
right there in your face and sus to look like
explosions going on around it. And the reason why it
looks like explosions it's really hard to explain. But like
even when it was a tiny, tiny, tiny burning bright light,
it still looked like there was like something, there was
depth between what I was visioning in that light to
where it almost looked like like out lines, like if

(01:32:00):
you were to draw clouds, like with a pencil just
on a paper, like you would throw those outlines into
the black. So like if any light showed up, you
would see like these curvatures. It's so hard to explain,
it says to explain. But so like as you see
these like these flashing of lights going around the eclipse,
it starts to almost look like it has texture or

(01:32:21):
depth because of all these other like things in it,
and it almost starts to look like an explosion. To me,
it looks like, you know, literal explosions, and then when
it starts to change over into like it it's almost
kind of like very much like yellow or slightly red,
or like kind of like flames. Uh so I was

(01:32:43):
paying attention over there, it turns completely red. SUS almost
looks like roses now bursting open like I have one
of the logos I have looks like roses, kind of
like around the moon or around an eclipse. SUS to
look like roses bursting or blooming round it. And uh
after that happens, it starts to look like colors like

(01:33:08):
those very vibrant rain like it's four different colors red, blue, green, purple.
I think it is normally what I would see coming
one color coming out like almost out of each cardinal direction,
spinning like spiraling out of the eclipse to where it

(01:33:29):
almost looks like this, like pulsating lines of like vibrant colors.
It's just like coming at me. And then all of
a sudden it will start to turn into like geometric shapes.
It's almost like shoot shoot, like lying towards me, spinning
coming at me from the eclipse. And then this is
when I get it to where my logo comes in,

(01:33:52):
which I had marios from Symbolic Studies designed for me.
Great job. Uh, it will start to look like all
of a sudden, these windows start coming out of the
eclipse on both sides of me and going like really
slow though. And I try to use sometimes that like
if you're in the subway and you had like trains

(01:34:14):
coming down going the same way, you're like in the
middle of both, you know, both whatever, and you were
looking in those cart windows, just those cart windows, it
would just be like those floating by, and they all
have like different scenes. It looks like different places, different times,
but like none of them really look too like. This

(01:34:34):
doesn't look like much is going on. Those will start
slowly coming down. At that point, I'm gonna start feeling
and I'll maybe go go over the physical feelings after
I just get through this. At that point, I start
going through all these physical feelings. But uh yeah, once

(01:34:54):
that kind of stops, they stop going again. It looks
like a Huger clay. It's like this white sphere with
this black one in the middle of it, just glowing.
It starts to separate that way, going up to where
it almost looks like this big wrin staring you in
the face. As it's starting tool like eclipse with like

(01:35:17):
a crescent. Very much looks just like toasts headdress if
you're separating one sphere from the next, where it looks
like that crescent with the sphere on top of it,
if you're pulling one away from the other. As soon
as the black one goes, Now, this whole time, I'm
pressing on my open neal glen. As soon as that
black sphere disappears, it feels like whatever I'm pressing on

(01:35:40):
me just got smacked back into my head bam, And
all of a sudden, I feel my soul right out
the back of my head. It feels like you burst
right into it, the thousand butterflies stretching out into everything
and totally lose your body. And I'll be with you,

(01:36:01):
no matter what drug anybody ever has done, no matter
how good of a nut you think you but it
is not going to come anywhere close to the feeling
of love that you think you have ever felt, even
for a person. It feels like one hundred percent unadulterated
perfect love. You don't even know who you are anymore,
but all you feel is love. You don't even know

(01:36:22):
where you are anymore. All you feel is love. You know,
I question in the damn thing because everything just feels amazing.
As soon as I think of self, where am I?
What's going on? It's over. I wasn't worried about God anymore.
Was worried about me. Course it's over.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
What do you mean by that?

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
I do think I was in the presence of God
everything all at once, and instead of enjoying it, I
was worried about myself. Now now I'm not that anymore
because I've just taken myself away from it. As soon
as I am something, I'm not something. As soon as
I have identity of self, I am not with the
oul anymore. So it's all over.

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
Wow, that's crazy, man. And so how long did this
experience last?

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
I mean, I could feel like minutes sometimes, but I
don't think it's that long in reality. I think it
could be like five seconds. Yeah, right, right, right right.
That's why I don't think, like, if you're going out,
I don't think it's like you should probably. I mean
I guess like if you if you if you walk
up and acted normal, people may not even notice it.

(01:37:32):
If you did anything going into a meditation.

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
You know what I'm saying right right, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
So when you when you say pressing on the pineal, like,
how would you describe that too, Like how'd you explain.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
That that's the whole thing? And I know it sounds crazy,
but it's like, you know, and again I'm but I
was just assumed maybe your listeners really aren't practitioners or
stuff like that, but people who are maybe just into
chocolate war not even well, I mean it's all I
could all be considered all the same thing, I guess.
But you know it sounds corny, but I really do

(01:38:09):
think you can start feeling these things, you know what
I mean. I mean, you even look at it. Some
ancient medicine goes back to acknowledging certain spots on your
body that can help, you know, but I do feel them.
If I was if I was to start getting back
and like again, like I told you, you know, I
don't do rituals anymore. I only meditate, you know, if

(01:38:32):
I was to start even getting like heavily even into that.
A lot of times the meditation is just to clear
my wart real or just to you know, relax. If
I started doing that, like seriously, it wouldn't take more
than probably a few days to where I'd be able
to feel those things spin again. I really do believe
like I feel something in my opinion, I can feel that.
I mean I would, I would even say I'm not

(01:38:55):
saying that the Oto, since the Oto believes that they
are of importance, should mean anything. But when I was
in some of their initiations, there's times where they will
tap certain parts of your body that you think they're
just neither getting your attention or just you know, it's
part of the whole dramatic scene. Like one time they'll
take a sword and I think they lift it up
and kind of like smack your cross like your waistline,

(01:39:16):
and like it kind of catches your attention because I
think like somebody from the side whatever, it caught my attention.
I was like, oh, okay, whatever, But it was nothing hard.
You know, they tell you after the fact, like sometimes
like after a month later, after you do an initiation,
they'll have a class and then you could come in
and kind of talk. They'll give you a little bit
you know some I guess what information about what you
just went through that much. They did bring that up

(01:39:37):
and they said that that was to actually activate that chakra.
Right then, So now you tell me every time you've
always like, because it's been done a couple of times
in different ways, you you know, hit me in a
certain you know, is is that what this is all about? Now?
And like why are you doing that? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
to be totally hos with you. In manerval, they tell
you that initiation, don't trust, don't trust every thing that

(01:40:00):
you're seeing. And the first initiation they'll tell you again,
don't not everything as is as it seems. And then
in the second initiation they're gonna tell you not everything
is it seems it. Don't trust your brothers and sisters.
So like the three degrees you've already told me, don't believe.

Speaker 1 (01:40:14):
The Yeah, why do you think they kind of say that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
Open I don't know, maybe like thinking that maybe some
person will actually save themselves. They'll listen to weapons coming
out of the house. Oh shoot, okay, can I see that?
I see that I actually think of my people. Well, see,
I don't think that's I guess I could have been
inherent on purpose for Crowley, But I don't know how
the order is. You know, I have wandered from inception.

(01:40:42):
But like I do think some of these orders, now
if they weren't from the beginning, I think they are
run by the CIA.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
Now that's a I mean, I wouldn't doubt that for
a second, right because there's some that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:56):
I saw pointing fingers because almost so again attacked by
other occult here. Because that does happen. There's a certain
order that I think the CIA is running or the
military is running it, because it's they have so many
different anrotors, and they have very intelligent people that are
in there, people with PhDs. They're not stupid people actually,
and they all have them working. A lot of them

(01:41:18):
are in different these different inner rotors that are inside
the temple that is inside his inner Rota, I mean
inside of the Secret Society, And uh, if you look
at what they're doing, it's almost like everybody's been decompartmental
life whatever that word is. Everybody's been separated, and they're
all kind of like looking at your own like they

(01:41:39):
just own little specific thing, and it's like they don't
realize the big picture because they're all being kind of
taken off and put in like a small little box.

Speaker 1 (01:41:48):
Yeah, we'll move you over here, we'll put blinders on you,
we'll move you.

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
Over here exactly. Yeah, yeah, and they don't realize that.
I think they're actually being used for the government or
the CIA.

Speaker 1 (01:41:58):
Know what's so funny too, is signed it is really
broken down in the same way. Medicine today is broken
down in the same way you want it. You got
a heart problem, you go see a cardiologist. But the
cardiologists only study and transfer information within each other. They
don't mess around with you know, uh, the on you know,
the kidney, you know doctors, they don't mess around with
the lung doctors, they don't mess up. They stay within

(01:42:20):
their field of practice and then like that's it. But
if they were to you know, exchange information, that would
be in a way better for us, if you get
what I'm saying on the medical side of things. But
you mentioned schools and secret societies. Uh, what are some

(01:42:41):
of the big colleges that that seem to be, you know,
pretty heavy in the occult. I know I saw on
your page that you you you must have a drone.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
Or something, because it was.

Speaker 1 (01:42:56):
Yeah, if you could, if you could break that down
for me, like what schools are involved with all with
all this kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:43:02):
Oh oh, definitely, yell, oh my God, well, I'm I
having problems now. Is that where Skulling Bones is? Oh yeah, yo,
that has like I think they have over they might
have a dozen of more. Believe it or not. I
probably have went there and filmed at least like seven
or eight myself. I still haven't put out. Yeah, I
have probably like three episodes of like Yell and the

(01:43:24):
in the graveyard out there that I could show. Yeah,
there was stuff that I got with the drone that like,
you know, an obelisk and like basically like Homel was
an oblis it was a pole whatever. It was like
this geometric stuff on the ground. That's that's very interesting.
I think there might have used to have been an
obelisk in that spot. That's what it was interesting enough.

(01:43:46):
And I know people like to like a lot of times,
people like to go with the whole. But my theory,
my first thread are here eventually in the future where
gonna find out that those things are being used because
if you look down sometimes when I have my drone,

(01:44:07):
the work that you see on the floor, to me,
it looks like a power grid. Those things have something
to do with free energy. I wouldn't doubt it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:19):
I mean, you look at streets and cities today and
you look at a microchip and you're like, dude, it
looks it looks the same. It looks so you know,
geometrically it looks similar, right or you know, I don't
know the name for it for streets.

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
But one thing I do want to say, and I'm
not trying to promote, uh, I'll just say it this way.
Crowley was really good at this. You sexualize something, nobody
will look at it. That's a good point, that point.
Everybody should. But if you sexualize something, most people will

(01:44:55):
never take any there's nothing in there. It's all just perverse. Hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:45:01):
That's a good point. That's a good point. That's a
good way to bury certain things.

Speaker 2 (01:45:06):
That's like it is. And and I say, I don't
think he was the only one to do it, but like,
even if you look at the history in certain areas,
you are actually it was easier to talk about like
screw it up and publish it than it was actually
to talk about other things.

Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
Oh way, jeez, well what's crazy too.

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
I mean when you were like like you like you
could write about smut, but like you probably couldn't talk
about actuals like certain the culture.

Speaker 1 (01:45:31):
Right, And so what was it at Yale you did
with your drone there?

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
Oh yeah, like that? Oh god, you it almost looked
like that. Yes, it's but it's not. Yeah, it looked
it looked like the unicrsal hexagram, but there was a
part in there where it's completely off. What's the name
of that courtyard?

Speaker 1 (01:45:51):
Do you remember?

Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
It might be the New Haven Green. Yeah, this is
interesting because it looks extremely close to it, but if
you look at the middle you can tell it's off.

Speaker 1 (01:46:06):
Oh yeah, your footage is so much better than all
these pictures because you actually got the aerial of it.
But I'll show some pictures here. So you've got this one.
If you were to look from the top down, this
would be like the top area or vice versa or whatever.

(01:46:27):
Maybe it looks like there's a It just looked kind
of crazy. Here's another picture this this kind of shape here,
all these geometric lines. You think this is something Crawley saw?

Speaker 2 (01:46:46):
Uh No, Actually, that symbol, I mean I could look
it up about them. So this is the the limma symbol.
That symbol he did not make up. He actually took
that from somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:46:58):
Else who do so who do you take this from?

Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
Just hell, look it up unicsal extagram. Okay, and so
what a what is it called a unicrstal hexagram?

Speaker 1 (01:47:10):
And this is where you could draw a hexagram with
one one.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
And one more. Yeah, yeah, with your hand up. Okay,
hmm o, kyeah. It originally shows up. Well, they're saying,
oh no, it's brought up in this sixteen thirty nine
Hexagramma mysticum, which whoa. Actually if you look at that, yo,

(01:47:36):
you should go to this page, the unicesstal hexagram that
actually looks like what's on the grounds.

Speaker 1 (01:47:43):
The hexagra universal hexagram.

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
Yeah, unicersal hexagram. If you go on the Wikipedia, want
to look at the link for the for the hexagramdma
mysticum and just put your hand like hover over it,
and it shows you the preview. What's the next page.
If you were to click on it, you'll see that
you'll see the same symbol come up.

Speaker 1 (01:48:01):
Oh my goodness, so you see are you seeing it
with me?

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
Is it? Where is it? Right here? Oh? Hello, let
me switch over, Let me switch over, yeah over on
that hexagram a mysticum right up there?

Speaker 1 (01:48:13):
Oh right here?

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:48:14):
Yeah, see oh dude, yeah, look at all. Look at
the look at the geometry. Here this almost looks like
almost like that that sigil, that Lucifer's sigil. Maybe I
don't know, I mean, who knows, but so let me
hover over that again. Okay, I see that past scals theorem.

Speaker 2 (01:48:44):
Okay, this is wild stuff supposedly fifteen eighty eight two.
So like we Crawley used it, it was already out right.
Here's another thing with him again that people I'm gonna
be telling honest with you. People, I think give him
too much credit. It was really not. He didn't write
all the rituals people think he wrote. There's only a

(01:49:07):
few handful that he actually did. Like he didn't come
up with a unicers likesagram, you know what I'm saying.
Like he was he was a myster of synthesis and
stealing other people's work. I mean even his line in
the Serpent, I mean that's that's taken from like line
of Judas I gotcha, gotcha. I mean know, it was
just other things braxis or whatever. Like, there's just so

(01:49:29):
many different things that like he just my opinion, we
use a lot of people's stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:49:37):
So I know you mentioned you mentioned or I mentioned
uh Liver King, right, he went viral with the eye
blown and everything. I know, this kind of circles back
to your experience and why you you think he's doing magic?
You think all these celebrities are kind of doing magic.

Speaker 2 (01:49:54):
Either that or yeah, either that or it's like they're
in the family or in the club. You know. Yeah,
But in my opinion, I'm interesting to sound silly. Probably
some people, but I do think, like, honestly, probably about
seventy percent of like famous people probably all do to this.
I think some of them might even be That's why
they're so good at what they do, so good at

(01:50:15):
their instruments, so good at through it is because they're
having the experiences I'm explaining and the putting whatever they
got into that.

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
Right, right, that's crazy man, Oh dude, jeez man, Well, Nick,
we're at a We're at an hour and fifty five minutes. Man,
it's it's it's been an awesome time. We put it
some work, dude. It was our first episode together, and
I'm sure we'll have many more. Sure, And I really
had a good time. And it was and and again

(01:50:45):
this is something a little different that that we've been usually,
you know, as far as guests and stuff and and
but you know what, as as a Christian, as a
man of God and as someone with you know, at
least my belief system. It's it's really important to have
many different kinds of people on this show. It's it's
meant to build relationships and build friendships with others that

(01:51:07):
are a part of the podcast community. Man. And uh,
because we all know a little about a lot, and
we all have so much that we could really trade
with each other. We have so much that we could
pass to each other as far as different little golden
nuggets of knowledge and all this kind of stuff. Man,
And this conversation was a deep one for me.

Speaker 2 (01:51:27):
Yeah, great chat man for real.

Speaker 1 (01:51:29):
Yeah, yeah, I appreciate you, bro, And uh, you know,
I I hope everything for you, you know, just blessings
for you, man, I hope blessings for you, and real
quick for the audience if you wouldn't mind just plug
in your information where they can check out your stuff
and channels and where they can support you the most.

Speaker 2 (01:51:49):
Uh yeah, the occult Rejects that is on an old
major podcasts. So I bit shoot Rumble YouTube and uh yeah,
bitchoot rumble and YouTube. We got Facebook as well, Twitter, Instagram,
but uh yeah, if you want to catch the videos,
I suggest YouTube, but they maybe you know, I won't
sensor myself, so there could be extra stuff on Rumble

(01:52:10):
or definitely extra stuff on audio. So because the audio
really doesn't sensor me with Sprinker, So ye check check
all that out.

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
Yeah, yeah, I'm glad that that's kind of like a
little perk for folks that check us out on audio.
Everything is kind of on the censored audio. It's nice.
Freedom is nice.

Speaker 2 (01:52:29):
One time, actually, I will say one time, and this
is how they get you. There's a little bit of
thing to leave. We'll leave with your listeners. Sometimes some
of the stuff like again, like with these initiations, that
stuff could actually be copyrighted, so when you start repeating it,
they could actually hit you with a copyright strike. And
when I covered like the first three initiations on my podcast,

(01:52:50):
I actually got hit with it like an email every
single and it was happening within like two or three days. Bitch, Shoot, Rumble,
YouTube and Reaper all took it down because the lawyer
it was crazy, was a girl I even knew and
went to the lodge that I was in. She was
one of the lawyers for the Oto and hit me

(01:53:11):
with a d m c A saying that this is
copyrighted and it has to come down. So even their
initiations technically a copyrighted somewhere in a book.

Speaker 1 (01:53:20):
That's crazy, dude, Wow, that's crazy, man, dude. It's so funny.
How you know you just mentioned a normal person that
works for Spreaker. It seems like, right, or they're a
lawyer or somewhere right in the.

Speaker 2 (01:53:34):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, they're a layer for the Oto
and yeah, and they said they send the letter to
Spreaker and they actually took it down. Yeah, ye shoot
they theysposedly free speech, they took it down. No line.

Speaker 1 (01:53:45):
It's it's funny because what you're what you're saying makes
me think of in the movie Blade, right, Blade, You've
obviously you've got Blade, right, he's the he's the vampire
killer dude, right, but he's like hybrid, and then you
have the vampires, which I'm making a connection with like
the otos, right or these secret societies, and then they

(01:54:08):
have these familiars who kind of work for them.

Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
You know what I'm saying. It's like I go on
byby what are you boys? Right? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:54:20):
Right? But golly, man. Well, hey, man, I appreciate you.
This was a fun episode. I really do know a lot, man,
and I hope my audience did as well too. And yeah, yeah, dude,
it's gonna be a lot of fun. I'm gonna work
up a bunch of definitely, Yeah, I'm gonna work up
a bunch of my research for it, man, because it's

(01:54:41):
it's some of it's kind of mind blowing. Some of
it it's kind of like dark. But I kind of
try to wrap it up with a nice positive message
at the end, because you know, I am a man
of freedom, and I, like you know, I just want
us to be humans, man. I want us to live
and have a wonderful experience here in this this planet.
You know what I'm saying. But it just seems like

(01:55:03):
there's a lot of totalitarian, technocratic stuff that's going on
and it's getting out of hand, and if we could
expose it as much as we can, then you know,
people will be able to hopefully one day, you know,
stand up against the machine. So but Nick, thank you
so much, man, I appreciate you, and I'm gonna move
right over into the next segment. All right, everyone, hope

(01:55:26):
you enjoyed that one Biblical hitman debrief. Nick from Occult Rejects,
thank you very much for coming on to the show,
and just for everyone again, just to reassure the audience
and all of that, this is this is not your
typical Christian podcast where uh, you know, we're going to
stick to certain traditions here where what God I feel

(01:55:49):
is doing in me and this is something that I
feel is straight from the Holy Spirit. Where I'm on
a trail, I'm on I'm on a run, and I
feel like there is a finish line with a lot
of this stuff with me as far as trying to
dig in and investigate and be a journalist for the

(01:56:09):
Holy Spirit and for the Kingdom of God, and to
try and understand a lot of other perspectives and a
lot of different things that are out there in the world. Now,
it all kind of pertains too good and evil, right,
And what my biggest thing is is to try to

(01:56:29):
view the landscape fully with a full POV and see
how the game is really played instead of just leaning
on or just viewing certain specific things. Right. I don't
like to view things play by play, but I'd rather
like to view the whole field and see everything in
that matter. But again shout out to Nick. He's given

(01:56:52):
me the opportunity to go on his show here in
the future to talk about transhumanism, the mark of the Beast,
and just my belief in general. And he's very transparent,
he's and he's he's he's a very respectful person, just
from you know, the first impression that he's left with me.
And at the end of the day, respect goes a

(01:57:14):
tremendous a tremendous length with me. It's it's something that really,
at the end of the day, we all need to
respect each other. And and he's really shown that. And
it doesn't matter really what our bias beliefs are. At
the end of the day, we're humans and we're you know,
called to love on each other and and to to

(01:57:35):
show love towards others. And that's that's one thing that
Jesus Christ talked about specifically. And you know, there's there's
a mission out here, and I feel like I am
on that mission. I feel like I'm I'm not out
here to you know, Bible bash or Bible thump and anybody.

(01:57:56):
I'm here to to share my beliefs. I'm here to
be a witness to others. And I'm here to be
a vessel for the Lord himself and to to be
someone who is to be a worker for him. And
that everything that I do, you know, I put it

(01:58:16):
on the Lord, and I put it on you know, Jesus,
and I put it I put it my heart to
the side. And I anything that I feel I'm being
called to do, it's because He's working through me. So
when I go on this run, when I go on
this journey that I'm on, you know, I look at

(01:58:37):
myself like a journalist. I look at myself like someone
who's seeking things of the unknown. And you know, the
Bible is the first and the best place to look
for all of these things. And once you've gotten a
really good ground on those things, you know, you can
be easily equipped to go out into the world. And

(01:58:58):
I feel like I I am out into the world now,
and I am interviewing and learning and trying to put
together the puzzle pieces of this big idea of something
that I feel is against God, something that I feel
is the adversary. Right, we understand who that is characterized

(01:59:20):
in the Bible, but there's many different things that are
portrayed in this life that you know, God tells us
not to kind of deal with, he tells us not
to take part in. And I always compare that to,
you know, the characteristics that I've built as just being
a father, and a lot of these things have been

(01:59:41):
revealed to me since being a dad, and I understand
the father they love, I understand unconditional love. I understand
all of these kinds of things. Now, you know that
that show me and help show me the character risics
you know of God where how he loves us unconditionally

(02:00:05):
and that he keeps us away from certain things. You know,
Number one, he tells us about these things in his word,
but also he does it for really good value, Like
there's there's a really pure purpose into why God says,
you know, to stay away from witchcraft and sorcery and

(02:00:29):
all the things I think that are listed in you know, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy,
in those areas where you know, be cautious and do
not be a part of occult practices. And I think
why that is is because there's some things that you know,

(02:00:51):
we don't know what we're dealing with, and we're not
smart enough to think about it. We're not smart enough
to even have the idea to try and figure it out. Rather,
it's like me with my two year old daughter, you know,
I tell her not to touch the electrical outlet because
I know it's dangerous for her to do so. But

(02:01:13):
it's part of our nature to be interested in these
concepts of the supernatural, to be it tickles our curiosity.
And I'll give it that it does because there there
are certain things to these concepts, because if there wasn't,
then no one would be pursuing these things, which is

(02:01:36):
wild stuff. But folks, what a show I it was.
I hope I did well with that interview. I hope
some most of you, you know, if not all, everyone
got something out of that interview. You know, to where
us as Christians, and for anyone in the audience, you know,

(02:02:00):
to where they're interested or or have not interested, but
they have curiosities of the supernatural and the occult. I
hope some of those questions were answered for you. Nick
was a great, great guest. I really enjoyed sitting down
with him for a few hours to talk about his
experiences and you know, to dig deeper into some of

(02:02:21):
his thoughts and his perspectives since he has you know,
way way more experience in those things than I'd ever
take take part in. But great guy, a very lovable guy,
respectful guy, and I'd hope to get him on again
in the future. Because again, this episode was just me.
Jesse and Taylor were absent on this episode, but shout

(02:02:45):
out to those guys. I love those guys. I know
Jesse was really wanting to be here for this episode
and because he's also on a journey just like I am.
And you know what was interesting, I think the most
out of this interview was the fact that I've been

(02:03:07):
I've been sitting on this thought of consciousness for a
long time, and I've been sitting on this thought of
what is mk Ultra's goal. Is there a global agenda
for this goal with mk Ultra? And is Satan coming
after our consciousness at the end of the day. And
with the correlation between you know, Nick's experience and the

(02:03:33):
movie get Out, it was very interesting that it seems
to be whenever magic is played with or experienced that
there could possibly be a detachment of the soul or
a detachment of the consciousness. And this is where I
mix in where I think it's possible that mk Ultra

(02:03:55):
or the agenda that the the technocrats that are out there,
the transhumanists, that maybe there's a piece of technology that
they're trying to integrate with us at some point in
our lives. If not us, then people after us, that
it would trigger or be the intermediary to fulfill this

(02:04:16):
ultimate agenda, and that agenda is to keep you from
believing in Christ. That agenda is to keep you from
believing in the truth. And the only way to really
do that is to take your free will and to
take your consciousness out of the equation. But folks, I
really really hope you appreciated that episode. There was a

(02:04:39):
lot of work that went into it, a lot of focus,
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