September 30, 2025 • 30 mins
What does a 2,000-year-old story about feeding 5,000 people with just five loaves and two fish have to teach modern leaders? As it turns out, quite a lot.
Kicking off the third year of the Biblical Leadership Show, Tim and Dr. Dean examine one of the most significant stories in scripture—appearing in all four Gospels—to extract practical leadership wisdom applicable to any organization. The feeding of the 5,000 demonstrates how exceptional leaders see unlimited possibilities where others see only limitations.
"I would rather have a great staff person with limited resources than an average staff person with unlimited resources," shares Dr. Dean, highlighting how resourcefulness functions as a leadership multiplier. This principle resonates particularly with smaller organizations and churches, where 85% have fewer than 100 members but often operate with the limiting belief that only designated leaders can contribute meaningfully.
The episode transitions into examining Jesus walking on water during a storm—a powerful metaphor for leadership during crisis. When teams face challenges beyond their control, great leaders may not be able to calm external circumstances, but they can bring stability to their people. "Sometimes He calms the storm, other times He lets the storm rage and calms His child," Dr. Dean notes, emphasizing how intentional, quiet leadership builds trust during turbulent times.
Through examining these ancient stories through a leadership lens, the episode provides fresh perspectives on maximizing resources, empowering team members, and maintaining composure during challenges. Whether you lead a Fortune 500 company, a small business, or a community organization, these timeless principles offer practical guidance for seeing possibilities others miss and bringing calm when storms rage.
What storms are your teams navigating right now? How might you bring stability rather than adding to the panic? These questions and more make this episode essential listening for leaders seeking both practical wisdom and deeper purpose in their work.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
uh-huh now, yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on, come on,
all righty welcome, welcome,welcome welcome, welcome,
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welcome, tim, how you doing Tothe.
Biblical Leadership Show howyou doing, doing great.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
How are you doing today?
I am doing fantastic, oh mygosh.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
How are we doing on this End of the month?
You know?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
It is.
It's hard to believe it'salmost October it just went, so
fast right.
But you know, last week had agreat second anniversary show
had some snacks.
We did, it was so good, did,did, still on the sugar rush
from all my cookies right, soit's all right yeah.
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And then we're back to just so,just think today, very historic
day for us.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Starting our third year of the podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Third year of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I mean, that's just.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I mean gosh.
Still that just boggles mybrain.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
It does, it boggles my brain, it does it boggles my
brain.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
You know it's like wow.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
How is that possible?
I?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
don't even know.
You look back on it and I cansay it doesn't even seem
possible that we've been doingthis 24 months.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
You know, it doesn't seem longer than 24 months.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
No, exactly right, and thank you to our four
listeners.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
You guys are the best .
They are staying with us.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
All right, maybe I have a few more than four, but
it sounds good.
Okay, how's everything?
It's good.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
It's good, I had a nice ride on my bike this
morning before.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
I came to the studio.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Glad I'm sitting across the table from you.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
That's good.
I went to the gym, but you knowit's all right.
I got my workout in, but youknow it's great.
We're just social distancinghere, so yeah, so we've
continued.
If you haven't been following,we've year grouping of all the
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books of the Bible and well,that is definitely going to
extend out a lot on the yearbecause we sort of hiccuped on
some of these things comingthrough the New Testament, right
.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
That's sort of important.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
And we went where we're going to try to cover some
of these books in one setting.
It takes us five to sevensettings.
So just look at this.
We're on John right now, ifyou're just joining us, and
we've pretty much been doing one, maybe one and a half, every
chapter.
So we're leading into John 6.
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And how many chapters I mean?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
how many chapters is it?
John Over 20.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
20-something We'll finish by February.
Yeah, we'll finish by February,so we'll get there.
We'll get there, that's allright, but you know it's our
show and we don't want to skipthings because.
No, no, it's our show and wedon't want to skip things
because this book has suchamazing practical leadership
principles 100%.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
That people can literally implement today, and
that's what we try to do everyweek that we're here and we just
appreciate you staying with usbecause we really enjoy it.
Yeah, this is our fun.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
And if you're just first time joining us, you got
to understand that we talk alittle bit about the biblical,
we talk a little bit aboutleadership and we throw some dad
jokes in.
And I'm teeing it up for you,dr P.
And you got to understand Dr Pis a joke junkie, right, is a
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joke junkie, right.
He's got a spread of books andcalendars and cards and papers
and printouts and so he's, I'mready.
Yeah, he's ready.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I am so ready Speaking of that.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Wow, why do you know about that?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
What did the plant say when it woke up this morning
?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
What did the plant say when it woke up?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
this morning.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
This will be the best day ever.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
All right, I really was going a whole different
direction.
I was trying to really thinkabout that one.
I'm like this should be asimple one, but no, I never got
that one.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, well, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
So you had a good bike ride.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I had a really good bike ride.
I had to rent the bike for awhile because we were traveling
and stuff like that for a whilebecause we were traveling and
stuff like that.
So for those, of you who arenew to the show.
We come from Arlington, texas,right in the middle of Dallas,
fort Worth, and I live on theother side of Fort Worth, so
drive into the studio.
But I think one of the greatestresources in the Fort Worth
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area is the Trinity Trail.
I have stopped riding my bikeon the road, unless it's like a
race or something like that,because there's just too much
traffic and it's just more andmore dangerous A lot of cyclists
getting hit.
So I go downtown to TrinityPark, get off there, ride and
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it'll literally go as far as youwant to ride.
So today I just had a shortride before I came in here and
it was good to be back on thebike.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
And I just enjoy it yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
That's so awesome.
So yeah, I've been slowlytrying to rehab my knees.
I got all banged up so I'mgoing to get up, you're going to
get there.
Then I'm going to get well.
I mean, I'm riding a bike everyday and doing weights and stuff
, but I have to go for a ridewith you one of these days, you
know.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, that'd be good.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
You know, see you for an hour, and I mean for 20
minutes, and see you for an hourwhen you come back for an hour
when you come back.
I'll be sitting at one of therestaurants there.
Hey, Dr P, you're back.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, and the thing about Trinity Trail.
If you go from Trinity Park Iguess that's to the west you go
through a part by UniversityParks and there's several
outdoor restaurant places there,there's some dog parks, there's
some water stops, and so, yeah,it's really really nice.
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If you want to go the other way, you can go all the way through
downtown, which is the lasttime I rode I did all the way
through downtown and then go allthe way back, so it's a really
nice and it's concrete, it's notlike, if you have a gravel bike
, it's gravel, or there's aconcrete path and it's concrete,
and so it's well-maintained,really nice.
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I don't normally go on Saturdaysbecause there's so many people,
so this morning it was nice andjust a few people, but it was
really nice and anyway it wasgood.
Yeah, I like it.
Yeah, I like it too there yougo.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
When there's days, I'll take my kids over there.
They're usually free on theweekends and it's pretty crazy
over there on the weekends.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, it is, it is.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
You got any more dad jokes?
Yeah, of course, or we want tojump into Jar 6?
I've only got 114 dad jokes,new ones today New ones, that
goes on the other 550 he has infront of him.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Okay, so what do you call friends?
You listen to music with.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
What do you call friends that you listen?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
to music with you, listen to some music with some
buddies.
What do you call those people?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Don't know Earbuds.
All right, there you go.
There we go we better get tothe Bible we better before.
To the Bible we better Beforethey go.
Like what are we doing today?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, john 6.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
There's a couple things that happen in John 6.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Oh yes.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I guess one of the biggest ones it's sort of.
I mean, there's big ones there,but one of the first ones we
want to sort of talk about isJesus feeds 5,000 people with
five loaves of bread and twofish, yes, two fish.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
And let's just before we talk about the leadership
principles, because there's manyin that particular story.
Let's just think about thatparticular story because when we
read the first four books ofthe New Testament called the
Gospels, this is one of thestories and there are very few.
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You have the crucifixion, youhave the resurrection, you have
the Last Supper and you have thefeeding of the 5,000 in every
one of these four books.
You don't even have the birthstory in every one of the books.
You only have the birth storyin Matthew and Luke.
There's not a birth story inJohn.
There's not a birth story inMark.
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So that shows how importantthis story was to the early
church and to those writers,because it appears in all four
of the books.
And so I know you have someleadership principles.
I just want to jump in and sayfor me and I shared this in
Sunday school class a couple ofdays ago that everybody looks at
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life with a filter.
You know, we've seen that orheard the.
You know, is the glass halffull or half empty?
Well, everybody has a filter,and so for some people, their
filter is always negative.
I think good leaders, theirfilter needs to be positive.
And so, for this particularstory, I think one of the
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leadership principles we can getin is that a good leader sees
where there is limited resources, they still see unlimited
possibilities.
And that's exactly what Jesusshowed, and he saw.
He saw okay, I've got limitedresources, but I've got 5,000
people that was just men pluswomen and children, so there
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could have been 10,000 or morepeople and he fed them with
5,000, I mean with five loavesand two fish.
And so he saw the unlimitedpossibilities with limited
resources.
And so I'm just going to saythis and then I'll let you jump
in.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
No, that's fine Speaking of this particular
principle.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I would rather have a great staff person with limited
resources than an average staffperson with unlimited resources
, because that great staffperson will be creative with the
resources they have and theycan see what can be done instead
of what can't be done.
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And so I think that's what aleader is challenged to do.
Leader is challenged to do isto help their people see what
can be done with the resourcesthey have.
They might have very littleresources and in churches a lot
of times we have limitedfinancial resources, but you've
got creativity okay, and what agreat resource is that You've
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got teamwork, you've got yourlay people.
So sometimes we see, or we havealmost like tunnel vision of our
resources and a great leaderbegins to open up their blinds
and help people see they havemore resources than they realize
and if they just access thoseand know how to use those
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resources, there can be morepossibilities than they see at
the beginning.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yeah, and that's exactly what I had in my notes.
You know resourcefulness is aleadership multiplier.
You know we you know greatleaders maximize what's
available and let's talk aboutthis because we have a lot of
people that are church leadersand you have a very big
background in your one and ahalf years you've been doing
this right All right, maybe 40plus that.
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You've had the blessings ofbeing really, really small
churches and then largerchurches as well.
What are some things that youcan think of?
Maybe the smaller churches canlearn from the bigger churches?
Are there any resources oranything and this?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
I know I'm catching you off thing.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
but I'm trying to think, because we have a lot of
church leaders that listen, isthere anything the
recommendations, since you havethat very diverse background
that you could maybe think of togive them a head start on
something like?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
this.
Well, I'll just say this andthis statistic is a few years
old, but I have a feeling it'sstill pretty accurate and that
is it doesn't matter thedenomination it could be
Methodist, baptist, lutheran,episcopalian, non-denominational
, it doesn't matter.
85% of all churches in theUnited States are have 100
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people or less on a Sundaymorning and it's not I can't say
that 100% but a large portionof those churches have the
mindset that the pastor we paythe pastor.
It might be a dual-careerperson, that might be a plumber,
but they feel like they call,so they're a pastor of a church,
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which is awesome.
That might be a plumber, butthey feel like they're called,
so they're a pastor of a church,which is awesome.
We have to be so thankful forthose dual career people.
They could be a teacher andthen she feels called to be a
pastor on the weekend.
I just think those people arephenomenal.
So we have like a quarterlymeeting with clergy and spouses,
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whether we're retiring or not,in our area of Fort Worth and
one of the people that Imentored early on he now teaches
math in junior high, but he isa pastor on the weekend, and so
I'm just thankful that thathappens.
But with the mindset with 100people or less, many times
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congregations have the opinionthat the pastor does everything,
that that's why we pay him orher is the pastor does
everything.
We pay them to preach, we paythem to teach, we pay them to go
visit hospitals.
We do this, and so they are notas involved in the church.
And so one of the things that Ithink can multiply ministries
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you talked about ministrymultipliers is to help people
see that they have the abilityto be involved in building the
kingdom as much as the pastor.
Now, the pastor has specificroles.
You know teaching and preaching, but the pastor doesn't have to
be the only one to go to thehospitals.
You know the pastor doesn'thave to be the one mowing the
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grass.
You know the pastor doesn'thave to be the one that fix the
toilet in the church.
You know those kind of things,but there are churches where
that's the mindset and I thinkthat holds them back.
So if they can see thepossibility of every person in
ministry, it could be that youhave a group of ladies that want
to do quilting or knitting, andwe have some friends that they
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make quilts and they give themto the children at the hospital.
What an amazing ministry.
So the challenge, I think, is tohelp people realize that if we
are accepting a call from Christto be a Christ follower and we
are breathing, then we stillhave a mission, we still have an
opportunity to help build akingdom somehow.
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We're not just called to go tochurch and then go home for the
rest of the week.
You know we're not just calledto go to church and then go home
for the rest of the week.
We're called to do something toserve.
You know.
Bless God and serve otherpeople during the week.
What that is, I don't know.
It depends on their giftedness.
But when more and more peoplesee that in a congregation, the
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congregation might not grownumerically but they will grow
in influence in their community.
And that's really, reallyexciting to see people getting
involved and working with thepastor to spread the good news
of Christ in their community,wherever they live.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah, that's great.
Yeah, yeah, just coming off.
I was actually out of town thislast weekend.
We had ours where you know,everybody, all the men were to
meet and do landscaping andclean up our church yard and do
a lot of stuff.
So yeah, I think that'simportant to be involved, I mean
and it gets you closer to yourcongregation, it makes you feel
like you're part of a church.
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If you're taking an active rolein something like that and
doing things, you know it's justlike anything that you have.
If you're involved, you'regoing to have more of an
ownership of it.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Correct.
And so I think part of a goodleader sees the potential, and
we saw this last week when wetalked about the man that was
healed by the pool, that Jesussaw possibilities that that man
was not able to see because ofhis condition.
And good leaders see thepossibilities in their people,
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the added value Everybody hasadded value to do something.
And so the question is, how canI see that?
Do I see that in my people?
Whatever you know my warehousemanager, what do I see in that
person?
Am I training that person, himor her, to do a better job?
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In the people on the floor?
So I think that is one of thegreat principles here from John,
chapter 6.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Awesome, awesome.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Well, the next one that shows up in there, unless
you have more to say on that oneis Jesus does a little dance on
the water there he does walkson the water.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, that's a pretty big thing.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
And I actually think that's one of the things that
really stands out.
I think as childhood that's oneof the things that I remember
hearing the story when I wasyoung, and I think a lot of
times, if you ask people andJohn, I mean, that's one of the
ones that shows up a lot oftimes too, with the feeding, the
5,000 and the walk on water youknow, where, like the one by
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the pool and some of thesethings, you don't remember them,
but I remember walks on water.
You know that where, like theone by the pool and some of
these things, you don't rememberthem, but I remember walks on
water.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
That was a huge one, I'm like well, how's this
possible, right, yeah, and so tome, what's interesting is it's
in the same chapter.
So you have the miracle offeeding on the 5,000 and the
miracle of him walking on thewater, and they're in the same
chapter.
So the question is, what wasJohn?
He could have put those storiesanywhere, but he put them in
the same chapter.
So the question is, what is hetrying to convey between the
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lines?
Maybe not just the wholeconcept of that chapter?
And I think it's the same thingthat good leaders see
possibilities when other peoplesee limitations.
And for Jesus there was nolimitation.
He was like okay, I'm going towalk on water, I created the
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water, I'm going to walk on it.
And so that, to me, is justlike a one-two punch, right
there in the same chapter.
You read that one chapter andyou're going to go wow this is
amazing.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, it's pretty powerful.
Yeah, For me, one of my notesand stuff and I'm a huge fan on
this and is I got on.
Faith invites miracles, right.
And if you have faith, how manytimes I go down, pass.
Or I say this and you know Itell my wife I know it'll work
out right, it's faith.
You've got to have faith andthat's the way I've.
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You know, 30 years of being inbusiness, it's like we're going
to do this.
I have faith it's going to workout.
I have faith it's the rightdecision and you know the good
Lord provides you know, andopens up doors that you're not
expecting you know to open upand opens up doors that you're
not expecting you know to openup, and it's part of having the
faith and believing where you'regoing.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, so let's go back to this feeding, I mean to
the walking on the water.
So we see, in the story itreally starts on chapter 6,
verse 16.
And it said the disciples gotin a boat and they started
across the sea to convert.
Now you got to think about it.
Most of these guys werefishermen.
They had been in a boat theirentire life.
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They knew how to handle a boatin a storm, but it was dark.
It's like this is nothing new,but for some reason, this
particular night the storm wasreally intense and it said they
had rowed three or four milesand they saw Jesus coming near
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the boat.
Now let's just think about yourbusiness or your whatever, your
softball team, your whatever,and things are not going well,
even though you've done whatyou've done a thousand times,
just like these fishermen.
Things are just not going welland you begin to panic, you
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begin to see limitations, youbegin to see maybe, hey, we're
going down, or you know whatever.
And Jesus came along and hesaid do not be afraid.
And they took him into the boatand it says immediately they
were at Now.
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In other stories it says that hecalmed the storm.
Okay, and there's an old sayingSome of you might have heard
this before and this is I thinkit's so powerful right now.
It says sometimes he calms astorm, other times he lets the
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storm rage and calms his child.
I'm talking about Jesus.
I think that what a greatleadership principle, because
sometimes the storm we can'tcalm the storm.
You know, it might be aneconomy thing, it might be a
supply chain thing, it might be,you know, whatever.
Like our whole town is out ofelectricity.
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It might be whatever.
You might not be able to calmthe storm.
So if you can't calm the storm,the question is how can I bring
calm to my people?
And that's what Jesus did.
It doesn't say here you calmthe storm.
The question is, how can Ibring calm to my people?
And that's what Jesus did.
It doesn't say here you calmthe storm.
It says that I'm going to bewith you.
I'm not going to be.
We're going to do this together, and so I think a good leader
in the midst of the storm makessure that the people know that
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he or she is with them.
We're going to ride this outtogether, Whatever the
consequences.
We're going to be in thistogether, and I think that,
right there, what a greatleadership principle 100%.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
You know, I put in there, you know like what storms
are your teams rowing throughright now?
Or is there something you canshow up with the stability where
you can use your voice tocreate calm instead of panic?
Right, because you know whenteams get that, or we have to do
this or this has to be done,and a lot of times the leader
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has to be the person that's thevoice of reason, the voice of
calmness, the voice ofrefocusing, pinpoint, accuracy
and all that stuff, and you know.
So what storms are you goingthrough, as a corporation, as a
person, and what it might be?
How can you change it?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
So, yes and um, that that's such a good point and and
so, like we said, we might notalways be able to calm the storm
on the outside, but we can workto calm the storm on the inside
, to move forward with whateverit is that we're doing.
So I just think that that's areally good opportunity and,
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like we said at the verybeginning of this podcast,
everybody has a filter, and soif you, as a leader see, my
filter is to bring calm.
How can I bring calm to that?
I think getting to know yourpeople so they trust you, be a
person of integrity, tell thetruth.
Those are the kind of thingsthat really bring calm and then
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be literally, physically, if youcan be with your people.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
You know that to me is huge.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Be intentional with quiet leadership.
Yes, that's what I put, that'sright.
So be intentional.
You know that to me is huge.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Be intentional with quiet leadership.
Yes, that's what I put, that'sright.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
So be intentional, you know it's not the spotlight,
it's behind the scenes, it'sthe quiet leadership.
Are you intentional with yourgroup?
And that's how you become agood leader.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah, excellent, there you go, man, all right.
Well, we finished after today.
Well, we didn't finish, but wesure got on.
So we got a few minutes.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
We got to get some dad jokes in here before the end
of the day.
I got one question before that.
Yeah, sure, and to finish out,the John 6, and.
I want to know your thing.
He declares I'm the bread oflife.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Right.
Is there a bigger meaning or isthere anything like that that
we can take out of that?
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Well, he's obviously talking about spirituality here.
He's not talking about you,know, but he was symbolically
talking about himself being thevery substance that your soul
needs to survive.
And if you would, he says, eatmy flesh and drink my blood,
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which is very symbolic, okay.
And then afterwards it saysthat was such a hard teaching,
some people didn't want tofollow him anymore.
But he's saying, hey, you'regoing to need me, like a
drowning man needs air, okay,and you need my life in you.
I am your very substance.
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Just as much as you need theair to breathe, you need me in
you to live a spiritual life.
So that totally relatesspecifically to something we're
going to get here to and the waywe're going a couple months
about the Last Supper.
I did my doctorate dissertationon the Last Supper, on the
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Lord's Supper and Holy Communion, and how that's still important
today, and so, in fact, manychurches have communion every
Sunday.
You know Catholic Church has amass every time.
Other denominational churcheshave it, maybe once a month,
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like the church we go to has itonce a month.
But it's a way to remember thatour spiritual life is dependent
upon what we take in.
And we can take in health andwholeness from Christ or we can
take in something that's nothealth and wholeness from the
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world.
And Jesus said no feed on me.
You know, feed on me and youwill have a growing spiritual
life.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
So anyway, was that good?
Yeah, that was good.
I just want to finish my notesand questions and everything you
know, because this is myleadership, personal leadership
hour.
I mean personal ministry.
That's why I got in here.
I got a personal minister hereand just teaches me on a
one-on-one basis, right?
The?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
question is everybody feeds their body, their mind,
hopefully their soul, theirrelationship, somehow right?
We feed it somehow.
And the question is we get tochoose how we feed ourself,
whether that's physical food,whether that's spiritual food,
mental food, psychological food,relationship, whatever it is.
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We get to choose.
And Jesus says, no, choose me,choose me.
And John chapter 6 is a verylong chapter and this whole
symbolic teaching about beingthe bread of life is, I mean,
it's lengthy but it's really,really powerful, and Jesus talks
about that a lot.
And so, anyway, if you haven'tread John chapter 6 in a while,
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just go back and read it.
It's a fantastic teaching tool.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Awesome.
Yeah, the only thing we'remissing at this show is some dad
jokes at this point.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Well, you know, I had a next-door neighbor that
couldn't pay her water bill, soI sent her a get-well card.
I have to get that out.
Oh, that's bad.
Oh bad, oh bad.
Hmm, I sent her a get well card.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I have to get that out.
That's bad.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Oh bad.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
What do you got?
I don't even have any teed up.
You don't even have any jokesteed up.
I've got my.
Oh, I do have it over here.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Okay.
So what did the coat say to thehanger?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Coat, say to the hanger Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Maybe we should hang out sometime.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I know this one for some reason.
Let's see.
Why are pigs so bad at sports?
Simple one you shouldn't beable to do, I should know this
one I can't think of it rightnow.
They always hog the ball.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Oh, that's it.
Oh gosh.
Well, how do you wash yourclothes at the beach?
Speaker 1 (29:15):
You sand them.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
You use.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Tide there you go, all right oh told my son I was
gonna buy him a book onprocrastination, but I keep
putting it off.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah, you know I had to fire the guy who's mowing my
lawn yeah yeah, he just wasn'tcutting it.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Parenting style do dads like best improvising.
Yeah, he just wasn't cutting it.
Parenting style do dads likebest Improvising?
That is the truth, so why wasthe laptop late to school?
I didn't have the code to getin.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
He had a hard drive All right One more, one more, I
had like 100 more.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
You got one more Close this out, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
So what do condiments do on the weekend?
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I've heard this one, but I don't remember it.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
They catch up on their sleep, that's right.
Some people have been catchingup on their sleep for the last
30 minutes, the last 30 minutes.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Right, exactly right, all right, all right.
Well, thank you for joining ustoday.
You guys, check us out nextweek, where we will go into
another fine one of maybe John 7.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Maybe John 8.
Maybe John 8, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Looking at the schedule there, but check us out
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Dean, take us out.
Hey, make it a great day.
Thank you, guys.
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welcome, tim, how you doing Tothe.
Biblical Leadership Show howyou doing, doing great.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
How are you doing today?
I am doing fantastic, oh mygosh.
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How are we doing on this End of the month?
You know?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
It is.
It's hard to believe it'salmost October it just went, so
fast right.
But you know, last week had agreat second anniversary show
had some snacks.
We did, it was so good, did,did, still on the sugar rush
from all my cookies right, soit's all right yeah.
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And then we're back to just so,just think today, very historic
day for us.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Starting our third year of the podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Third year of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I mean, that's just.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I mean gosh.
Still that just boggles mybrain.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
It does, it boggles my brain, it does it boggles my
brain.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
You know it's like wow.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
How is that possible?
I?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
don't even know.
You look back on it and I cansay it doesn't even seem
possible that we've been doingthis 24 months.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
You know, it doesn't seem longer than 24 months.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
No, exactly right, and thank you to our four
listeners.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
You guys are the best .
They are staying with us.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
All right, maybe I have a few more than four, but
it sounds good.
Okay, how's everything?
It's good.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
It's good, I had a nice ride on my bike this
morning before.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
I came to the studio.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Glad I'm sitting across the table from you.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
That's good.
I went to the gym, but you knowit's all right.
I got my workout in, but youknow it's great.
We're just social distancinghere, so yeah, so we've
continued.
If you haven't been following,we've year grouping of all the
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books of the Bible and well,that is definitely going to
extend out a lot on the yearbecause we sort of hiccuped on
some of these things comingthrough the New Testament, right
.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
That's sort of important.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
And we went where we're going to try to cover some
of these books in one setting.
It takes us five to sevensettings.
So just look at this.
We're on John right now, ifyou're just joining us, and
we've pretty much been doing one, maybe one and a half, every
chapter.
So we're leading into John 6.
(03:05):
And how many chapters I mean?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
how many chapters is it?
John Over 20.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
20-something We'll finish by February.
Yeah, we'll finish by February,so we'll get there.
We'll get there, that's allright, but you know it's our
show and we don't want to skipthings because.
No, no, it's our show and wedon't want to skip things
because this book has suchamazing practical leadership
principles 100%.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
That people can literally implement today, and
that's what we try to do everyweek that we're here and we just
appreciate you staying with usbecause we really enjoy it.
Yeah, this is our fun.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
And if you're just first time joining us, you got
to understand that we talk alittle bit about the biblical,
we talk a little bit aboutleadership and we throw some dad
jokes in.
And I'm teeing it up for you,dr P.
And you got to understand Dr Pis a joke junkie, right, is a
(04:11):
joke junkie, right.
He's got a spread of books andcalendars and cards and papers
and printouts and so he's, I'mready.
Yeah, he's ready.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I am so ready Speaking of that.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Wow, why do you know about that?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
What did the plant say when it woke up this morning
?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
What did the plant say when it woke up?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
this morning.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
This will be the best day ever.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
All right, I really was going a whole different
direction.
I was trying to really thinkabout that one.
I'm like this should be asimple one, but no, I never got
that one.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, well, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
So you had a good bike ride.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I had a really good bike ride.
I had to rent the bike for awhile because we were traveling
and stuff like that for a whilebecause we were traveling and
stuff like that.
So for those, of you who arenew to the show.
We come from Arlington, texas,right in the middle of Dallas,
fort Worth, and I live on theother side of Fort Worth, so
drive into the studio.
But I think one of the greatestresources in the Fort Worth
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area is the Trinity Trail.
I have stopped riding my bikeon the road, unless it's like a
race or something like that,because there's just too much
traffic and it's just more andmore dangerous A lot of cyclists
getting hit.
So I go downtown to TrinityPark, get off there, ride and
(05:44):
it'll literally go as far as youwant to ride.
So today I just had a shortride before I came in here and
it was good to be back on thebike.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
And I just enjoy it yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
That's so awesome.
So yeah, I've been slowlytrying to rehab my knees.
I got all banged up so I'mgoing to get up, you're going to
get there.
Then I'm going to get well.
I mean, I'm riding a bike everyday and doing weights and stuff
, but I have to go for a ridewith you one of these days, you
know.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, that'd be good.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
You know, see you for an hour, and I mean for 20
minutes, and see you for an hourwhen you come back for an hour
when you come back.
I'll be sitting at one of therestaurants there.
Hey, Dr P, you're back.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, and the thing about Trinity Trail.
If you go from Trinity Park Iguess that's to the west you go
through a part by UniversityParks and there's several
outdoor restaurant places there,there's some dog parks, there's
some water stops, and so, yeah,it's really really nice.
(06:47):
If you want to go the other way, you can go all the way through
downtown, which is the lasttime I rode I did all the way
through downtown and then go allthe way back, so it's a really
nice and it's concrete, it's notlike, if you have a gravel bike
, it's gravel, or there's aconcrete path and it's concrete,
and so it's well-maintained,really nice.
(07:07):
I don't normally go on Saturdaysbecause there's so many people,
so this morning it was nice andjust a few people, but it was
really nice and anyway it wasgood.
Yeah, I like it.
Yeah, I like it too there yougo.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
When there's days, I'll take my kids over there.
They're usually free on theweekends and it's pretty crazy
over there on the weekends.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, it is, it is.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
You got any more dad jokes?
Yeah, of course, or we want tojump into Jar 6?
I've only got 114 dad jokes,new ones today New ones, that
goes on the other 550 he has infront of him.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Okay, so what do you call friends?
You listen to music with.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
What do you call friends that you listen?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
to music with you, listen to some music with some
buddies.
What do you call those people?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Don't know Earbuds.
All right, there you go.
There we go we better get tothe Bible we better before.
To the Bible we better Beforethey go.
Like what are we doing today?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, john 6.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
There's a couple things that happen in John 6.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Oh yes.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I guess one of the biggest ones it's sort of.
I mean, there's big ones there,but one of the first ones we
want to sort of talk about isJesus feeds 5,000 people with
five loaves of bread and twofish, yes, two fish.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
And let's just before we talk about the leadership
principles, because there's manyin that particular story.
Let's just think about thatparticular story because when we
read the first four books ofthe New Testament called the
Gospels, this is one of thestories and there are very few.
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You have the crucifixion, youhave the resurrection, you have
the Last Supper and you have thefeeding of the 5,000 in every
one of these four books.
You don't even have the birthstory in every one of the books.
You only have the birth storyin Matthew and Luke.
There's not a birth story inJohn.
There's not a birth story inMark.
(09:11):
So that shows how importantthis story was to the early
church and to those writers,because it appears in all four
of the books.
And so I know you have someleadership principles.
I just want to jump in and sayfor me and I shared this in
Sunday school class a couple ofdays ago that everybody looks at
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life with a filter.
You know, we've seen that orheard the.
You know, is the glass halffull or half empty?
Well, everybody has a filter,and so for some people, their
filter is always negative.
I think good leaders, theirfilter needs to be positive.
And so, for this particularstory, I think one of the
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leadership principles we can getin is that a good leader sees
where there is limited resources, they still see unlimited
possibilities.
And that's exactly what Jesusshowed, and he saw.
He saw okay, I've got limitedresources, but I've got 5,000
people that was just men pluswomen and children, so there
(10:20):
could have been 10,000 or morepeople and he fed them with
5,000, I mean with five loavesand two fish.
And so he saw the unlimitedpossibilities with limited
resources.
And so I'm just going to saythis and then I'll let you jump
in.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
No, that's fine Speaking of this particular
principle.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I would rather have a great staff person with limited
resources than an average staffperson with unlimited resources
, because that great staffperson will be creative with the
resources they have and theycan see what can be done instead
of what can't be done.
(10:58):
And so I think that's what aleader is challenged to do.
Leader is challenged to do isto help their people see what
can be done with the resourcesthey have.
They might have very littleresources and in churches a lot
of times we have limitedfinancial resources, but you've
got creativity okay, and what agreat resource is that You've
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got teamwork, you've got yourlay people.
So sometimes we see, or we havealmost like tunnel vision of our
resources and a great leaderbegins to open up their blinds
and help people see they havemore resources than they realize
and if they just access thoseand know how to use those
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resources, there can be morepossibilities than they see at
the beginning.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yeah, and that's exactly what I had in my notes.
You know resourcefulness is aleadership multiplier.
You know we you know greatleaders maximize what's
available and let's talk aboutthis because we have a lot of
people that are church leadersand you have a very big
background in your one and ahalf years you've been doing
this right All right, maybe 40plus that.
(12:07):
You've had the blessings ofbeing really, really small
churches and then largerchurches as well.
What are some things that youcan think of?
Maybe the smaller churches canlearn from the bigger churches?
Are there any resources oranything and this?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
I know I'm catching you off thing.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
but I'm trying to think, because we have a lot of
church leaders that listen, isthere anything the
recommendations, since you havethat very diverse background
that you could maybe think of togive them a head start on
something like?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
this.
Well, I'll just say this andthis statistic is a few years
old, but I have a feeling it'sstill pretty accurate and that
is it doesn't matter thedenomination it could be
Methodist, baptist, lutheran,episcopalian, non-denominational
, it doesn't matter.
85% of all churches in theUnited States are have 100
(12:56):
people or less on a Sundaymorning and it's not I can't say
that 100% but a large portionof those churches have the
mindset that the pastor we paythe pastor.
It might be a dual-careerperson, that might be a plumber,
but they feel like they call,so they're a pastor of a church,
(13:18):
which is awesome.
That might be a plumber, butthey feel like they're called,
so they're a pastor of a church,which is awesome.
We have to be so thankful forthose dual career people.
They could be a teacher andthen she feels called to be a
pastor on the weekend.
I just think those people arephenomenal.
So we have like a quarterlymeeting with clergy and spouses,
(13:41):
whether we're retiring or not,in our area of Fort Worth and
one of the people that Imentored early on he now teaches
math in junior high, but he isa pastor on the weekend, and so
I'm just thankful that thathappens.
But with the mindset with 100people or less, many times
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congregations have the opinionthat the pastor does everything,
that that's why we pay him orher is the pastor does
everything.
We pay them to preach, we paythem to teach, we pay them to go
visit hospitals.
We do this, and so they are notas involved in the church.
And so one of the things that Ithink can multiply ministries
(14:26):
you talked about ministrymultipliers is to help people
see that they have the abilityto be involved in building the
kingdom as much as the pastor.
Now, the pastor has specificroles.
You know teaching and preaching, but the pastor doesn't have to
be the only one to go to thehospitals.
You know the pastor doesn'thave to be the one mowing the
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grass.
You know the pastor doesn'thave to be the one that fix the
toilet in the church.
You know those kind of things,but there are churches where
that's the mindset and I thinkthat holds them back.
So if they can see thepossibility of every person in
ministry, it could be that youhave a group of ladies that want
to do quilting or knitting, andwe have some friends that they
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make quilts and they give themto the children at the hospital.
What an amazing ministry.
So the challenge, I think, is tohelp people realize that if we
are accepting a call from Christto be a Christ follower and we
are breathing, then we stillhave a mission, we still have an
opportunity to help build akingdom somehow.
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We're not just called to go tochurch and then go home for the
rest of the week.
You know we're not just calledto go to church and then go home
for the rest of the week.
We're called to do something toserve.
You know.
Bless God and serve otherpeople during the week.
What that is, I don't know.
It depends on their giftedness.
But when more and more peoplesee that in a congregation, the
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congregation might not grownumerically but they will grow
in influence in their community.
And that's really, reallyexciting to see people getting
involved and working with thepastor to spread the good news
of Christ in their community,wherever they live.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah, that's great.
Yeah, yeah, just coming off.
I was actually out of town thislast weekend.
We had ours where you know,everybody, all the men were to
meet and do landscaping andclean up our church yard and do
a lot of stuff.
So yeah, I think that'simportant to be involved, I mean
and it gets you closer to yourcongregation, it makes you feel
like you're part of a church.
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If you're taking an active rolein something like that and
doing things, you know it's justlike anything that you have.
If you're involved, you'regoing to have more of an
ownership of it.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Correct.
And so I think part of a goodleader sees the potential, and
we saw this last week when wetalked about the man that was
healed by the pool, that Jesussaw possibilities that that man
was not able to see because ofhis condition.
And good leaders see thepossibilities in their people,
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the added value Everybody hasadded value to do something.
And so the question is, how canI see that?
Do I see that in my people?
Whatever you know my warehousemanager, what do I see in that
person?
Am I training that person, himor her, to do a better job?
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In the people on the floor?
So I think that is one of thegreat principles here from John,
chapter 6.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Awesome, awesome.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Well, the next one that shows up in there, unless
you have more to say on that oneis Jesus does a little dance on
the water there he does walkson the water.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, that's a pretty big thing.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
And I actually think that's one of the things that
really stands out.
I think as childhood that's oneof the things that I remember
hearing the story when I wasyoung, and I think a lot of
times, if you ask people andJohn, I mean, that's one of the
ones that shows up a lot oftimes too, with the feeding, the
5,000 and the walk on water youknow, where, like the one by
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the pool and some of thesethings, you don't remember them,
but I remember walks on water.
You know that where, like theone by the pool and some of
these things, you don't rememberthem, but I remember walks on
water.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
That was a huge one, I'm like well, how's this
possible, right, yeah, and so tome, what's interesting is it's
in the same chapter.
So you have the miracle offeeding on the 5,000 and the
miracle of him walking on thewater, and they're in the same
chapter.
So the question is, what wasJohn?
He could have put those storiesanywhere, but he put them in
the same chapter.
So the question is, what is hetrying to convey between the
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lines?
Maybe not just the wholeconcept of that chapter?
And I think it's the same thingthat good leaders see
possibilities when other peoplesee limitations.
And for Jesus there was nolimitation.
He was like okay, I'm going towalk on water, I created the
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water, I'm going to walk on it.
And so that, to me, is justlike a one-two punch, right
there in the same chapter.
You read that one chapter andyou're going to go wow this is
amazing.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, it's pretty powerful.
Yeah, For me, one of my notesand stuff and I'm a huge fan on
this and is I got on.
Faith invites miracles, right.
And if you have faith, how manytimes I go down, pass.
Or I say this and you know Itell my wife I know it'll work
out right, it's faith.
You've got to have faith andthat's the way I've.
(19:42):
You know, 30 years of being inbusiness, it's like we're going
to do this.
I have faith it's going to workout.
I have faith it's the rightdecision and you know the good
Lord provides you know, andopens up doors that you're not
expecting you know to open upand opens up doors that you're
not expecting you know to openup, and it's part of having the
faith and believing where you'regoing.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, so let's go back to this feeding, I mean to
the walking on the water.
So we see, in the story itreally starts on chapter 6,
verse 16.
And it said the disciples gotin a boat and they started
across the sea to convert.
Now you got to think about it.
Most of these guys werefishermen.
They had been in a boat theirentire life.
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They knew how to handle a boatin a storm, but it was dark.
It's like this is nothing new,but for some reason, this
particular night the storm wasreally intense and it said they
had rowed three or four milesand they saw Jesus coming near
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the boat.
Now let's just think about yourbusiness or your whatever, your
softball team, your whatever,and things are not going well,
even though you've done whatyou've done a thousand times,
just like these fishermen.
Things are just not going welland you begin to panic, you
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begin to see limitations, youbegin to see maybe, hey, we're
going down, or you know whatever.
And Jesus came along and hesaid do not be afraid.
And they took him into the boatand it says immediately they
were at Now.
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In other stories it says that hecalmed the storm.
Okay, and there's an old sayingSome of you might have heard
this before and this is I thinkit's so powerful right now.
It says sometimes he calms astorm, other times he lets the
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storm rage and calms his child.
I'm talking about Jesus.
I think that what a greatleadership principle, because
sometimes the storm we can'tcalm the storm.
You know, it might be aneconomy thing, it might be a
supply chain thing, it might be,you know, whatever.
Like our whole town is out ofelectricity.
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It might be whatever.
You might not be able to calmthe storm.
So if you can't calm the storm,the question is how can I bring
calm to my people?
And that's what Jesus did.
It doesn't say here you calmthe storm.
The question is, how can Ibring calm to my people?
And that's what Jesus did.
It doesn't say here you calmthe storm.
It says that I'm going to bewith you.
I'm not going to be.
We're going to do this together, and so I think a good leader
in the midst of the storm makessure that the people know that
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he or she is with them.
We're going to ride this outtogether, Whatever the
consequences.
We're going to be in thistogether, and I think that,
right there, what a greatleadership principle 100%.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
You know, I put in there, you know like what storms
are your teams rowing throughright now?
Or is there something you canshow up with the stability where
you can use your voice tocreate calm instead of panic?
Right, because you know whenteams get that, or we have to do
this or this has to be done,and a lot of times the leader
(23:08):
has to be the person that's thevoice of reason, the voice of
calmness, the voice ofrefocusing, pinpoint, accuracy
and all that stuff, and you know.
So what storms are you goingthrough, as a corporation, as a
person, and what it might be?
How can you change it?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
So, yes and um, that that's such a good point and and
so, like we said, we might notalways be able to calm the storm
on the outside, but we can workto calm the storm on the inside
, to move forward with whateverit is that we're doing.
So I just think that that's areally good opportunity and,
(23:49):
like we said at the verybeginning of this podcast,
everybody has a filter, and soif you, as a leader see, my
filter is to bring calm.
How can I bring calm to that?
I think getting to know yourpeople so they trust you, be a
person of integrity, tell thetruth.
Those are the kind of thingsthat really bring calm and then
(24:11):
be literally, physically, if youcan be with your people.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
You know that to me is huge.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Be intentional with quiet leadership.
Yes, that's what I put, that'sright.
So be intentional.
You know that to me is huge.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Be intentional with quiet leadership.
Yes, that's what I put, that'sright.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
So be intentional, you know it's not the spotlight,
it's behind the scenes, it'sthe quiet leadership.
Are you intentional with yourgroup?
And that's how you become agood leader.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah, excellent, there you go, man, all right.
Well, we finished after today.
Well, we didn't finish, but wesure got on.
So we got a few minutes.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
We got to get some dad jokes in here before the end
of the day.
I got one question before that.
Yeah, sure, and to finish out,the John 6, and.
I want to know your thing.
He declares I'm the bread oflife.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Right.
Is there a bigger meaning or isthere anything like that that
we can take out of that?
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Well, he's obviously talking about spirituality here.
He's not talking about you,know, but he was symbolically
talking about himself being thevery substance that your soul
needs to survive.
And if you would, he says, eatmy flesh and drink my blood,
(25:19):
which is very symbolic, okay.
And then afterwards it saysthat was such a hard teaching,
some people didn't want tofollow him anymore.
But he's saying, hey, you'regoing to need me, like a
drowning man needs air, okay,and you need my life in you.
I am your very substance.
(25:40):
Just as much as you need theair to breathe, you need me in
you to live a spiritual life.
So that totally relatesspecifically to something we're
going to get here to and the waywe're going a couple months
about the Last Supper.
I did my doctorate dissertationon the Last Supper, on the
(26:01):
Lord's Supper and Holy Communion, and how that's still important
today, and so, in fact, manychurches have communion every
Sunday.
You know Catholic Church has amass every time.
Other denominational churcheshave it, maybe once a month,
(26:22):
like the church we go to has itonce a month.
But it's a way to remember thatour spiritual life is dependent
upon what we take in.
And we can take in health andwholeness from Christ or we can
take in something that's nothealth and wholeness from the
(26:43):
world.
And Jesus said no feed on me.
You know, feed on me and youwill have a growing spiritual
life.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
So anyway, was that good?
Yeah, that was good.
I just want to finish my notesand questions and everything you
know, because this is myleadership, personal leadership
hour.
I mean personal ministry.
That's why I got in here.
I got a personal minister hereand just teaches me on a
one-on-one basis, right?
The?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
question is everybody feeds their body, their mind,
hopefully their soul, theirrelationship, somehow right?
We feed it somehow.
And the question is we get tochoose how we feed ourself,
whether that's physical food,whether that's spiritual food,
mental food, psychological food,relationship, whatever it is.
(27:30):
We get to choose.
And Jesus says, no, choose me,choose me.
And John chapter 6 is a verylong chapter and this whole
symbolic teaching about beingthe bread of life is, I mean,
it's lengthy but it's really,really powerful, and Jesus talks
about that a lot.
And so, anyway, if you haven'tread John chapter 6 in a while,
(27:55):
just go back and read it.
It's a fantastic teaching tool.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Awesome.
Yeah, the only thing we'remissing at this show is some dad
jokes at this point.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Well, you know, I had a next-door neighbor that
couldn't pay her water bill, soI sent her a get-well card.
I have to get that out.
Oh, that's bad.
Oh bad, oh bad.
Hmm, I sent her a get well card.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I have to get that out.
That's bad.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Oh bad.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
What do you got?
I don't even have any teed up.
You don't even have any jokesteed up.
I've got my.
Oh, I do have it over here.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Okay.
So what did the coat say to thehanger?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Coat, say to the hanger Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Maybe we should hang out sometime.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I know this one for some reason.
Let's see.
Why are pigs so bad at sports?
Simple one you shouldn't beable to do, I should know this
one I can't think of it rightnow.
They always hog the ball.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Oh, that's it.
Oh gosh.
Well, how do you wash yourclothes at the beach?
Speaker 1 (29:15):
You sand them.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
You use.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Tide there you go, all right oh told my son I was
gonna buy him a book onprocrastination, but I keep
putting it off.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah, you know I had to fire the guy who's mowing my
lawn yeah yeah, he just wasn'tcutting it.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Parenting style do dads like best improvising.
Yeah, he just wasn't cutting it.
Parenting style do dads likebest Improvising?
That is the truth, so why wasthe laptop late to school?
I didn't have the code to getin.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
He had a hard drive All right One more, one more, I
had like 100 more.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
You got one more Close this out, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
So what do condiments do on the weekend?
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I've heard this one, but I don't remember it.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
They catch up on their sleep, that's right.
Some people have been catchingup on their sleep for the last
30 minutes, the last 30 minutes.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Right, exactly right, all right, all right.
Well, thank you for joining ustoday.
You guys, check us out nextweek, where we will go into
another fine one of maybe John 7.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Maybe John 8.
Maybe John 8, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Looking at the schedule there, but check us out
.
Physicalleadershipshowcom.
I'm Tim Lancer, with me Dr DeanPosey and other than that, Dr
Dean, take us out.
Hey, make it a great day.
Thank you, guys.
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