June 17, 2025 • 35 mins
Ever wonder why some organizations thrive for generations while others collapse the moment their founder steps away? The answer might be found in an unexpected place—the leadership principles of Jesus as recorded in Matthew's gospel.
Jesus didn't wait until the end of his ministry to think about succession planning. From day one, he began identifying, recruiting, and developing the people who would carry his message forward. This forward-thinking approach ensured that his work continued and expanded long after his departure—for over 2,000 years! As we explore the first fourteen chapters of Matthew, we discover how Jesus systematically prepared his disciples, shared his values, and gradually delegated authority.
The Beatitudes reveal profound truths about leadership character that challenge conventional wisdom. When Jesus praised the "poor in spirit," he wasn't celebrating weakness but highlighting the strength found in humility—recognizing you don't have all the answers. His statement that "the meek shall inherit the earth" wasn't about passivity; meekness is actually power under control, like a strong horse responding to gentle guidance. These counter-cultural principles reshape how effective leaders view themselves and interact with others.
Communication emerges as another crucial leadership skill throughout Matthew's account. Jesus masterfully used storytelling through parables to convey complex ideas in memorable ways. He understood that different audiences needed different approaches—sometimes teaching the crowds broadly while explaining deeper meanings privately to his closest followers. This reminds today's leaders that effective communication isn't just about delivering information but ensuring it's properly understood.
Perhaps most striking is Jesus' ability to spot potential where others saw problems. When he called Matthew, a despised tax collector, he recognized valuable qualities that others missed. Matthew's meticulous attention to detail became an asset in chronicling Jesus' ministry. Great leaders similarly look beyond obvious credentials to identify and nurture the unique talents each team member brings.
Ready to transform your leadership through these timeless principles? Subscribe now and join us next week as we continue exploring biblical wisdom for today's leaders. How might your organization benefit from implementing succession planning from day one?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All righty welcome Welcome.
Oh, come on, do it right.
Welcome, welcome welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hey Tim, how are you doing today?
How are we doing?
Today I am doing fantastic.
How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Oh my gosh, we're hanging in there today.
Just a busy day, busy, busy.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Busy day, that's all right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Just coming back off of some travel, so I'm excited
to be back in the Metroplex andhanging out and you've got some
travel coming up.
So you're going to be gettingout of town shortly after this
and so yeah, so it's excitingstuff.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Exciting stuff.
It's summer, it's Texas, it'shot.
Yeah, you know, it's just partof life.
It's just how it is right.
That's the way it is.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yeah, the way it is.
Oh, all right, but yeah, lasttime we were here we were
long-winded.
We were, but that's all right,we don't mind being long-winded,
we started.
If you're just joining ushopefully you joined us last
week because we started the NewTestament, we did the New
Testament, we did.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Whoop, whoop, whoop, yeah, going through every book
of the Bible.
We were thinking that we wouldget through chapter 1 through 14
.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Last week, we thought , we made it through chapter 4.
We thought, but we were justtalkative.
We, you know new beginnings,little hump, you know a little
hill.
We're going down the backsideof it with the New Testament.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Right yeah, but we didn't even finish chapter four.
All right, fine, but you know,there's so much stuff.
There is so much stuff Goodmaterial there.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
We're not going to rush because it's our show and
if we need to take four podcaststo get through Matthew, then we
will.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
We will, just because it's our show right it might,
but you then we will.
We will Just because it's ourshow right it might, but you
know go ahead.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
No, no, I was going to say go ahead to you.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Okay, so you know the word on the street, the word on
the street is that someonedropped their Scrabble?
Game all over the freeway Uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh.
Scrabble all over the freewayFreeway.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah, I was trying to figure out if I should reach
for that thing.
Give you the crickets, give youthe applause.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Just nothing.
That said it all.
I just give you that.
Look, there's a lot of goodmovies out, there's some good
movies coming out and there's anew movie coming out about
tractors.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Uh-oh, a new movie about tractors.
Yeah, I just saw the trailer.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
All right, I'll get you that one.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I don't know about the freeway one.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Obviously not.
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Hey, thank you for joining us.
Uh, you know, yeah, we, we tryto have fun.
If you're, you're hanging outwith us.
You know I I know we have a lotof listeners that that uh
showed up last week when we werestarting the new testament.
I don't know why they didn'twant to hang out with us in the
old testament.
We got a quite a few people.
We got people all over thecountry, uh, but you know, we,
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we uh a lot of times in thesearches and stuff, new
Testament comes up before you'researching for Malachi in there.
You know, matthew comes upbefore Malachi a lot of times in
the searches.
So thank you for all our newlisteners, if you're just
joining us again.
Biblical Leadership Show, wherewe talk about biblical
principles, tie them intoleadership principles and then
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we throw some dad jokes inbecause we like them and we can.
We can?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
It's our show right.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, so last week we sort of did a recap of Matthew
and we made it through, like yousaid, chapter four-ish.
Halfway through chapter fourHalfway through chapter four,
but we gave some background.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
So if you're not, familiar with the Bible or,
specifically, the New Testamentor prophecy about the New
Testament from the Old Testament.
That was the first half of theshow, which I think is important
.
If you're going to read theBible and how to pick out a
Bible, what version you're goingto read, what translation,
whatever and then we startedtalking about the lessons to
read, what translation, whatever?
And then we started talkingabout the lessons.
(04:07):
That's what we do here talkabout how the Bible applies to
our life today, specificallyfocus on leadership principles
from every book of the Bible,and there's so much in the
Scripture that we focused on,and there was some really good
points in Matthew, chapter 1,about genealogy.
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Chapter 2, the wise men, chapter3, you know.
And John the Baptist, chapter 4, jesus and the temptation.
Right after that, jesus comesout of the wilderness, after
being tempted, you know, for 40days, and then we read that he
calls his disciples and so he issetting up, at the very
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beginning of his ministry, asuccession plan.
Okay, and so you deal with thisall the time in your leadership
training classes is what'sgoing to happen when?
okay, yes training classes iswhat's going to happen when?
Okay, whenever the when happens, whatever happens.
Why aren't some companiesthinking okay, when I step down,
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whether I retire, I'm sick,whatever, I just don't want to
do this job anymore.
For whatever reason, I can't doit.
Who's going to take the companyafter me and take it to the
next level?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Am I beginning to train that person right now to
be the next CEO or the next COOor whatever it may be head of
the company Jesus?
From the very beginning, thatwas one of his priorities
because he knew that he hadlimited time.
We all have limited time.
He that he had limited time.
We all have limited time.
He knew he had limited time.
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So from the very beginning ofhis ministry he got followers
and they're called the apostlesor the 12 disciples, and he
began to train them.
So he trained them for threeyears.
For three years and with theexpectation that once he was
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gone, that they would take hisministry and spread it around
the world, which they havecontinued to do over the last
2,000 years.
So let's just talk about thesuccession plan.
You deal with this a lot withyour leadership conferences, and
I think it's just a goodleadership principle to think
okay, who's going to be myreplacement?
I might not be leaving for 10years, but I got to have a plan.
(06:34):
So can you just talk a littlebit about that from your
experience?
No, Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Let's move on Chapter five Chapter five Sermon on the
Mount.
Here's the thing on successionplans, and I harp on them all
the time and I do a lot ofbusiness consulting and we talk
about how it's going to be, youknow, and a lot of times there's
a process and every company isset up totally different and we
get this.
I'm dealing with multiplecompanies and some of them have
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you know where, where their momand pops, and then some of them
have big corporate structuresand and one of the things that
you know I always get into is isthere's gotta be a success and,
and we, we try to do it in allthe associations I belong to,
all the, the committee meetings,all the you know different
things.
We, we try to figure out thisline because if you do, what's
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going to happen and I see it allthe time is, people will spend
a couple years and then theypick a new leader.
Well, that new leader doesn'thave the same values, they don't
have the same direction, theywant to take it totally
different, and then it throwsthe company, the committee,
whatever it might be, indisarray.
And I think one of the biggestthings that you can get out of
this, you know, is he.
You know, and we're going totalk about in five is he lived
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it, he breathed it, he resiststemptation in four, but he
actually did it.
And if somebody's along withyou on that journey, when you're
living that, when you're goingthrough the process, when you're
telling them some of the dailytasks sort of like me, if I want
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to travel out of town for aweek, well, you know my two and
three, they know everything thatwe need to be done, because
I've thought how I couldeventually, you know, retire out
of this business.
I don't know when that'll everbe.
You know 97, 98, I don't know,when that will ever be.
You know 97, 98, but hopefully105, you know that'd be great.
But you know, if everybody's onthe same page it's a lot easier
to make that exit strategy toget your people in the same
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direction.
You know, last week we talkedabout mission statements.
You know, and that's just oneof those things, if you can get
those leaders keyed up, then itopens up so many avenues because
it's not just you being theleader, you have three or four
people that are all on the samepage.
Now you got three or fourleaders.
At any point Three people canleave and you're going to have
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the same values, the samedirection, the same everything
going on.
And you know, and that's what Ithink Jesus was trying to do
Make sure we have the samemessage going out in different
channels and different places,but I mean at that point
everything, everybody was on thesame page Correct.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
And so because of that and he took time, you know
to they traveled together.
They were with together 24-7,most of the time that they
really absorbed the values ofJesus and he wanted those values
to be passed on.
Now everybody's going to havetheir own little character
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differences, their priorities,but the goal would be 90% of the
message is the same.
You might look at it a littledifferent, you might prioritize
something a little different,but you just want to be sure
that the message didn't changeand it hasn't changed for 2,000
years.
That's because he laid thatfoundation from the very
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beginning.
So that is a really good.
Leadership principle is how muchare you pouring into your
people?
You know some people they don'twant to be the leader, but you
still need to be pouring intothem.
You know, we see in thischoosing of the disciples that
he had 12 main followers.
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He had lots of followers, buthe had 12 group and then he had
a small group of three PeterJames and John and so we see
Peter James and John doing a lotof things, maybe that the other
nine didn't.
And so the question would be,when you have your leadership
team, if you have anorganization, do you have a
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small group, maybe two or threepeople, that you really rely
upon.
It's like your core group.
Now, if you're a mom and popshop, you might just have two
people you and your spouse, oryou and your best friend, or
whatever.
Okay, how much do you thinkabout what's going to happen
when?
What's our plan?
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Are we going to just do thisuntil we can't breathe anymore
and then we're going to sell thebusiness, or we just hope
someone buys it, or whatever?
You've got to be thinking thatit might not take action yet,
but at least you've got to beprocessing and thinking about it
, and Jesus was really goodabout the long-range planning.
So, that was one of hispriorities is that he wanted to
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be sure that the messagecontinued to move forward after
he was gone, and so that was oneof his goals.
He did it, and we see thatpretty consistently.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, and then sort of going into Matthew 5.
Here it's sort of what we'resort of putting together is he's
getting through the values?
Right, he's getting through thevalues of his kingdom, how to
put it together?
The humility, the peacekeepingright.
What's it mean to be righteous?
I guess in a way Is it a goodsummary.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, how to live a godly life how to live a life
that honors God and blessespeople.
And and so you read the firstpart of chapter five, which are
called the Beatitudes, and thoseare timeless principles that
really laid the foundation forwhat Jesus was going to be about
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in his ministry.
And so let's just take thefirst one Blessed are the poor
in spirit, for theirs is thekingdom of heaven.
So if we look at that to saypoor, know poor in spirit, he
wasn't talking about you, knowfinancially poor.
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He was people recognizing thefact that they don't might have
it all together, that they stillneed to learn, they still lack
something in their life.
And so he said blessed arethose people who are humble
enough to realize that theydon't know everything, that they
still have needs.
And so I'm thinking what agreat lesson for leaders.
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How many leaders have you metthat think, oh, they have it all
together, they know all thereis to know, they're God's gift
to the world and they treatother people that way?
And he said no, that's not myway.
My way is to be humble aboutthat, to realize that there's
always still more.
No, that's not my way.
My way is to be humble aboutthat, to realize that there's
always still more to learn.
There's still things that weneed, and Jesus was really
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focusing on characterdevelopment.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, humility.
Humility is foundation ofgreatness.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yes, yeah, and so that's what he did.
And if you look at the secondone blessed are those who mourn
they shall be comforted.
But also the question isblessed are those who mourn?
How focused are we on theemotional needs of our people?
Are we just focusing on thetask that has to be done, or are
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we focusing on what's going onin their lives?
Do we know them well enough toknow that they might be going
through a difficult time intheir life, and so we can maybe
accommodate a deadline, Maybe wecan give them a little slack,
because they're struggling withsomething in their personal life
, A family member's sick ormaybe passed away, or
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something's going on and we'resensitive to that.
And so Jesus really laying outsome principles that I think
apply to all of us when we lookat them from a leadership point
of view.
So I would encourage you, ifyou're not familiar with Matthew
5, just read those first coupleof sentences and think okay,
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how does this apply to my job,my life right now?
How does it apply to my family?
If I'm leading a scout troop orwhatever it may be, a baseball
team, how does that apply to me?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Three is blessed are the meek.
You know and I put down my shownotes Meekness isn't weakness,
you know, it's strength undercontrol.
You know, and that's sort ofwhat I look at, you know, and I
think that's unique the way tolook at it.
You know, the leaders they'renot domineering, they're
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listening, they get all thoseattitudes, they take the
attitude out of there, right.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah, and so the way is.
This will explain to me.
Years and years ago, you take ahorse, a wild horse, and you're
going to break it, you know, soyou can ride it.
And when you put a bit in itsmouth to control where it goes,
Sounds like a good dad jokethere somewhere.
No, it's really not.
It could be.
You put a bit in his mouth, sothen you have the reins, you
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control the energy, okay, and soyou focus all of that energy
and power into one direction,and that's what meek means.
It doesn't mean like you're adoormat or you know whatever
People walk on you.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
It's a good way to describe it.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
It's focusing all your energy in one direction,
and so yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Because I think a lot of people see the word meek and
the perception is, maybe it'scowered down, just weakness and
all that.
And it's really not.
It's really not.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
And so the next one blessed are those who hunger and
thirst for righteousness.
So the question would be youknow, one of the things that
Jesus was about his wholeministry was constantly teaching
his disciples.
He wanted them to constantly belearners, and I think a good
leader is a constant learner,whether they're reading, whether
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they're going to seminars, andthen it's not just about them.
They want their people to beeducated.
They want their people to bethe best trained they can be
Okay.
So yeah, and so you do that alot.
I mean you focus a lot on yourhome builders association
training.
You know certifying differentpeople because education is very
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, very important.
It's a powerful thing.
You know certifying differentpeople because education is very
, very important.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
It's a powerful thing .
You know, and I always tellpeople you know everything's.
There's a lot of information.
We live in information age withthe Internet and all that.
It's just find the stuff thatresonates.
Find the stuff that you can use.
You know, even when somebody'staking through my class, I'm not
here to change your world.
Find two or three things youcan actually put in practice and
that might change or shape thedirection that you end up, you
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know, down the road.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
So yeah, so as we go through the first you know,
chapter of the Sermon on theMount, there is so much.
One of them is you know, you arethe salt of the earth.
Jesus was always about, and Iwas listening to a podcast this
morning while I was walking andit was talking about positive
language and negative languageand I thought, wow, jesus was
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mainly about positive languagewhen he was trying to develop
his disciples.
Now there's occasional you canread that in the book of Matthew
when he was talking to some ofthe religious leaders that he
used negative language becausehe realized that they just
didn't want to know about himand they didn't like him and
they wanted to kill him and sohe was very blunt with them.
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But when he met somebody whowanted to follow him, he used
positive, encouraged language.
And so, you know, a good leaderunderstands the value of
powerful, positive, encouraginglanguage and one of the jobs I
think of a good leader is tobuild up your people you know,
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and it's not just what you say,it's your tone of voice, how you
say it.
The other thing is do you do?
Do you like?
If you need to discipline aperson, do you discipline them
in private, or do you disciplinethem in front of other people
and just humiliate them?
That's never good.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
No, that won't work out good.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
That doesn't work out good.
So Jesus is about positivelanguage, encouraging His people
, which encourages people.
And so here in the whole Sermonon the Mount Matthew 5, 6, 7,
or 5, 6, 7, he's justencouraging people to focus on
God and what kind of life youwant to live and you know what
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kind of character you want to beand how big a priority is that
in your life.
And he just gave some practicalsteps on how to do that on a
daily basis.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, Matthew 6, don't they get into the Lord's
Prayer or?
Something through that Isn'tthat where that sort of
originated Exactly?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
right, yeah, and so he talks about prayer, he talks
about fasting.
He talks about prayer, he talksabout fasting.
He talks about spiritualdisciplines, and so it's not
just some things about business.
It's like I want to grow in mypersonal spiritual life.
If you're going to grow in yourpersonal spiritual life,
reading the Bible is still thenumber one way to and been
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proven.
If you read the Bible on aconsistent, if not daily, basis,
it's still the number one wayto grow in your faith.
Now, obviously, there's otherthings public worship, you know,
prayer.
Those are the kind of thingsthat I think are important.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, meditation.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Meditation serving.
Richard Foster wrote a greatbook years and years ago called
the Celebration of Discipline.
Talked about the 12 historicspiritual disciplines, and so
some people are attracted tocertain ones.
But if you want to grow in yourfaith and Jesus, that's what he
was all about reading the Bibleand worship prayer serving
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those are important things to doin order to take baby steps to
grow in your faith.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah, yeah, it's good .
Speaker 2 (20:45):
It's good.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
All right.
So you got the Sermon on theMount coming up through.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
you know number what, eight, and yeah, through, well,
through the you know Sermon onthe Mount, and that goes through
chapter 7, and then we finishthat and then we get to chapter
8, and here in chapter 8, webegin to see Jesus starting to
do miracles.
He's starting to heal people.
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We read about the faith of acenturion whose daughter was
sick, and so just constantly,Jesus is doing incredible things
to heal people, not justphysically, but to heal them of
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their unbelief.
Many people, the sickness thatthey're dealing with is not a
physical thing, it is somethingthat they just believe that God
doesn't care for them, that noone cares, that they're not
important.
And Jesus is saying no, no, no,everybody's important to God
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and everybody's important to me,and I'm going to treat
everybody the same, I'm going tolove them right where they are,
just the way they are.
And so he went to differentparts of the country and he
healed people, he taught he wasa very compassionate person and
he just kind of upset the applecart of the religious leaders of
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the day.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
That would be an understatement.
That would be an understatement.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
That would be an understatement right, and so
because of that, he paid someconsequences.
And so I guess one of theleader's questions would be, or
principles would be you know, wecan choose to do whatever we
want.
We can't always choose theconsequences, but maybe we're
afraid of some of theconsequences that might happen,
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so that keeps us from doingsomething that we really want to
do.
We think I don't know if thisis going to turn out, I don't
know if I want to invest in anew building, because this might
not work or whatever, and so wehold ourselves back because
we're afraid of the consequence,and that has lots of
implications for leaders.
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And so are we willing to take arisk?
Are we willing to pay theconsequences of our decisions?
Because we're not the only onethat pays the consequences.
We have employees, we havepartners that pay the
consequences as well, and sothose things would take prayer
and thinking about how are wegoing to move forward, and
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that's why I feel that you needa group of people around you to
talk those things through.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yeah, I like it yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
So then you know we have Jesus calming the storm.
You know he heals peoplecalming the storm, you know he
heals people.
And then here in chapter 9, weread him calling a man by the
name of Matthew who was a taxcollector, and Jews did not like
tax collectors but, it changedMatthew's life.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yeah, from tax collector to disciple right.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Correct, but he was so meticulous because tax
collectors had to be meticulous,right.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
He was so meticulous in his life before becoming a
disciple that he just continuedthat in his discipleship and he
used that as a tool to recordwhat Jesus was saying.
And we have the book now, 2,000years later.
And because so God used histalent to actually promote the
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cause.
And so the question would befor leaders do you know the real
talents of your people?
And I've hired people, you know, and they've had something on
their resume, maybe something'snot on their resume and all of a
sudden you know we worktogether for a couple months and
I realize, oh, they have addedvalue because they have this
thing that I don't even knowabout, okay, and we think, yeah,
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let's play to your strengththere, and so that's really a
good thing.
When you're thinking aboutpeople, do you know the value,
the hidden values, the addedvalues Can you spot?
Speaker 1 (24:59):
that greatness.
You know, I was just doing somebusiness, consulting, and and
that's exactly what I did withthe owners.
We sat down and went through umsort of a reorg chart you know
of of the company and guy hadonly been there for very brief
amount of time and he had some.
He had some history in his past, but I think that could be
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overlooked and I think helearned from that big lessons
and ultimately promoted him intoa position of power and he is
just kicking some royal butt.
Right, he's doing great, but ifyou would hold that or you
would look at him differently orthat, you just but you could
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see the strength.
You were looking at the, the,the greatness wanting to come
out of him and and I thinkthat's what you got to look at
and I think that as a leader,that's that's part of your job.
You know, jesus could have soldhis tax collector.
That was not a friendly place,you know, and messy, you know, I
guess in a way, but you know,really took him under his wing.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah, and it changed.
You know the blessing that camefrom that, because Jesus took
him under his wing.
So there we have that, and thenwe get to chapter 10, and after
chapter 10, jesus doesn't just,you know, he's starting to send
his disciples out to share themessage, to pray for people.
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And so here's the thing, jesusobviously here's some leadership
principles.
He valued teams.
You know, he sent them out, hedelegated authority.
You know a lot of leaders.
They want all the authority,they want to make all the
decisions and it's like no, letyour people.
If you don't trust your peopleto make decisions, then the
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question is, is that a statementabout your people or is that a
statement about you?
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah, that's the whole key, right, Because it you
know, sometimes you point atyour people and it's the three
fingers pointing back at you,you know because it's you're the
problem, not them.
You know how many times have Icalled in for business
consulting or to train theirpeople and it takes me, you know
, half a day to figure out.
It's not the people, it's theleader.
Somebody else is not in thisroom right now.
That hired me needs to be inthis room and these people need
(27:13):
to go on down their way.
Right, but a lot of times youno, but anyway.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
so Jesus had, he sent him out, delegated authority,
and he set priorities.
This is what I want you to do.
It was very clear about what hewanted his disciples to do.
He communicated hisexpectations and he put
boundaries on them too.
He did put boundaries.
He said this is what.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I want you to do and this is what I want you to
accomplish.
But he threw boundaries and Imade a note of that just because
a lot of people think that yourpeople don't want boundaries.
Your kids don't want boundaries.
You know they throw fits.
Here's the problem is, ourbrain likes boundaries.
You know as much as you don'tthink it does.
(27:58):
We like to know we can bouncebetween these two little
guardrails and be able to goforward, and it's just something
to think that it really stoodout to me when I was doing my
show prep there, the wordboundaries.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, and so Jesus is like well, you know, we see
that from the beginning of theScripture there are boundaries,
and when we break the boundariesthere are consequences that we
can't always control,consequences that we can't
always control.
And so we see that and then weget to, you know, here,
beginning around chapter 13, andwe'll finish up with you know,
(28:31):
this little bit is chapter 13 isfull of parables.
Okay, and Jesus loved teachingin parables.
But here's the question hewasn't just teaching His 12
disciples, he was teaching themasses.
Some of them were for Hispeople.
And then one of the parables hetaught, and then it says when
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Jesus was alone with Hisdisciples, he explained things
to them.
And so you might be sharingwith a big company or with a
group of people, but thequestion is how did they
understand what you actuallysaid?
So I know that's true for me.
You know it's humbling.
Sometimes I preach a sermon andthen you know, several weeks
(29:15):
later someone says somethingabout it and I say, well, what
did you remember about thesermon and what they heard?
I didn't even realize.
I was saying okay.
So you have to think okay, heream I saying these certain
things, but are the peopleactually hearing the same
message, and so making sure thatyou communicate clearly, your
(29:40):
people understand exactly whatit is, and so Jesus taught in
parables.
For a specific reason, there'salways more than one lesson in
all those parables, but he was amaster at storytelling and
teaching, and so really thattakes us up to about chapter 14.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Yeah, sort of like what you said.
I want to add one thing on thatis you know, leadership is
about, you know, sowing the seedright.
You know the results might notbe immediate, but you're going
to see it right, you're going tosee it long term.
So sort of like, when thepeople come back, you come and
give your sermon that day andgive your sermon that day.
(30:23):
It might not be the immediateimpact, but there's at some
point that impact that canreally change the course of
somebody's direction in life andor help them out of a tough
spot that maybe is coming up,that they don't even know what
it is Correct, and so that's thething you want to just continue
to plant seeds into your people, continue to train them,
continue to encourage them,support them, give them the
(30:44):
authority to make decisions andthen hold them accountable.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
That's a real big part.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
You've got to have systems in place.
I just went through it with oneof my companies and what's the
next step?
I have a lot of people I'm like, well, we have to go through
and do this, this and this,because to hold these people
accountable, they have to knowexactly what their job
definitions, their defined,their scope, that they're
supposed to be doing every day.
And once you've had thatdiscussion, then you can go
(31:12):
through the process of holdingthem accountable because you've
had that discussion.
But if you're not having thatdiscussion, it's going to be
tough to hold anybodyaccountable.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
So yeah, and so one of the things for leaders is,
when you have your annual review, or sometimes six-month review,
that's an important time to setdown expectations so that when
you have your review and you'rehopefully meeting with your
people on a regular basis, theyknow are they meeting
expectations, are they not?
(31:38):
And those are pretty, you knowyou have those things, that
checklists.
This is things I want to haveyou do in the next six months,
you might.
Jesus was not a micromanager,so he didn't tell his people how
to do it.
He showed them and then letthem kind of do their own thing.
And so you give expectations,but that doesn't mean you
(32:00):
micromanage your people and tellthem exactly, watch over their
shoulder every minute of the day.
That's not good.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Nope, that's not good .
That's good.
Can you believe we actuallymade it through Matthew?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Well, through chapter 14.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Well, through chapter 14, yes, yes, that's exactly
right, yeah, that's right.
We hit where we wanted to getto today.
How about that so?
Speaker 2 (32:26):
you know, that's it.
Yay, yay, we're done, yay,we're good.
All right.
So what dad jokes do you have?
Speaker 1 (32:34):
So anyway, what do you have?
Some dad jokes, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Have you had any dad jokes for us?
Are you pulling?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
out the book.
I'm pulling out some.
See what I got there.
I usually have bad dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I can't tell, I always tell people you know I've
got good language.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
I've got construction language.
I've got good thoughts, I'vegot construction thoughts.
There's a lot that goes on inmy head.
You know, sometimes I can't usemy construction language at the
podcast and in front of theroom.
And yes, I know, dr Posey, beconsistent in your image.
I know, but it's just so tough,right.
So in my head I've got a lot ofdad jokes, but none that I
(33:17):
would ever say in front of DrPosey, Because I hear them from
my guys, right?
So, um, um, did you hear therumor about butter?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Did it spread real thin.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Nevermind, I shouldn't spread it.
Okay, oh my son just told meone other day I should uh, oh, I
have one.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
That's so funny.
What did the uh?
Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I'm trying to think what he told me.
Uh, why, why did the theastronaut get embarrassed?
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Cause he got mooned, he created that one.
He creates dad jokes all thetime.
It was pretty good, so don'tknow where he where he gets
those things from Okay, so hereyou go.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah, what do you call an acid with an attitude?
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Acid, with an attitude Trying to do the letter
jumble Not good at those things.
What you got?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Amino acid.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Amino acid.
I'll give you that one.
All right, one more.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Why wouldn't the young crab share his toys?
He?
Speaker 1 (34:37):
was Shellfish.
Shellfish.
All right, all righty.
Unless you got All right, I getthat one.
All righty Unless you got onemore.
I'm going to let the people go.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Well, I do, but I'll save it for next week.
Save it up for there.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
so we finish.
Well, you know, never know, wemay or may not finish Matthew
next week, but we're going tomaybe work on it.
We'll see how it goes for surewe're going to work on it.
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Make it a great day.
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All righty welcome Welcome.
Oh, come on, do it right.
Welcome, welcome welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hey Tim, how are you doing today?
How are we doing?
Today I am doing fantastic.
How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Oh my gosh, we're hanging in there today.
Just a busy day, busy, busy.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Busy day, that's all right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Just coming back off of some travel, so I'm excited
to be back in the Metroplex andhanging out and you've got some
travel coming up.
So you're going to be gettingout of town shortly after this
and so yeah, so it's excitingstuff.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Exciting stuff.
It's summer, it's Texas, it'shot.
Yeah, you know, it's just partof life.
It's just how it is right.
That's the way it is.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yeah, the way it is.
Oh, all right, but yeah, lasttime we were here we were
long-winded.
We were, but that's all right,we don't mind being long-winded,
we started.
If you're just joining ushopefully you joined us last
week because we started the NewTestament, we did the New
Testament, we did.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Whoop, whoop, whoop, yeah, going through every book
of the Bible.
We were thinking that we wouldget through chapter 1 through 14
.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Last week, we thought , we made it through chapter 4.
We thought, but we were justtalkative.
We, you know new beginnings,little hump, you know a little
hill.
We're going down the backsideof it with the New Testament.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Right yeah, but we didn't even finish chapter four.
All right, fine, but you know,there's so much stuff.
There is so much stuff Goodmaterial there.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
We're not going to rush because it's our show and
if we need to take four podcaststo get through Matthew, then we
will.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
We will, just because it's our show right it might,
but you then we will.
We will Just because it's ourshow right it might, but you
know go ahead.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
No, no, I was going to say go ahead to you.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Okay, so you know the word on the street, the word on
the street is that someonedropped their Scrabble?
Game all over the freeway Uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh.
Scrabble all over the freewayFreeway.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah, I was trying to figure out if I should reach
for that thing.
Give you the crickets, give youthe applause.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Just nothing.
That said it all.
I just give you that.
Look, there's a lot of goodmovies out, there's some good
movies coming out and there's anew movie coming out about
tractors.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Uh-oh, a new movie about tractors.
Yeah, I just saw the trailer.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
All right, I'll get you that one.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I don't know about the freeway one.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Obviously not.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Hey, thank you for joining us.
Uh, you know, yeah, we, we tryto have fun.
If you're, you're hanging outwith us.
You know I I know we have a lotof listeners that that uh
showed up last week when we werestarting the new testament.
I don't know why they didn'twant to hang out with us in the
old testament.
We got a quite a few people.
We got people all over thecountry, uh, but you know, we,
(03:03):
we uh a lot of times in thesearches and stuff, new
Testament comes up before you'researching for Malachi in there.
You know, matthew comes upbefore Malachi a lot of times in
the searches.
So thank you for all our newlisteners, if you're just
joining us again.
Biblical Leadership Show, wherewe talk about biblical
principles, tie them intoleadership principles and then
(03:23):
we throw some dad jokes inbecause we like them and we can.
We can?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
It's our show right.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, so last week we sort of did a recap of Matthew
and we made it through, like yousaid, chapter four-ish.
Halfway through chapter fourHalfway through chapter four,
but we gave some background.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
So if you're not, familiar with the Bible or,
specifically, the New Testamentor prophecy about the New
Testament from the Old Testament.
That was the first half of theshow, which I think is important
.
If you're going to read theBible and how to pick out a
Bible, what version you're goingto read, what translation,
whatever and then we startedtalking about the lessons to
read, what translation, whatever?
And then we started talkingabout the lessons.
(04:07):
That's what we do here talkabout how the Bible applies to
our life today, specificallyfocus on leadership principles
from every book of the Bible,and there's so much in the
Scripture that we focused on,and there was some really good
points in Matthew, chapter 1,about genealogy.
(04:28):
Chapter 2, the wise men, chapter3, you know.
And John the Baptist, chapter 4, jesus and the temptation.
Right after that, jesus comesout of the wilderness, after
being tempted, you know, for 40days, and then we read that he
calls his disciples and so he issetting up, at the very
(04:52):
beginning of his ministry, asuccession plan.
Okay, and so you deal with thisall the time in your leadership
training classes is what'sgoing to happen when?
okay, yes training classes iswhat's going to happen when?
Okay, whenever the when happens, whatever happens.
Why aren't some companiesthinking okay, when I step down,
(05:14):
whether I retire, I'm sick,whatever, I just don't want to
do this job anymore.
For whatever reason, I can't doit.
Who's going to take the companyafter me and take it to the
next level?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Am I beginning to train that person right now to
be the next CEO or the next COOor whatever it may be head of
the company Jesus?
From the very beginning, thatwas one of his priorities
because he knew that he hadlimited time.
We all have limited time.
He that he had limited time.
We all have limited time.
He knew he had limited time.
(05:47):
So from the very beginning ofhis ministry he got followers
and they're called the apostlesor the 12 disciples, and he
began to train them.
So he trained them for threeyears.
For three years and with theexpectation that once he was
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gone, that they would take hisministry and spread it around
the world, which they havecontinued to do over the last
2,000 years.
So let's just talk about thesuccession plan.
You deal with this a lot withyour leadership conferences, and
I think it's just a goodleadership principle to think
okay, who's going to be myreplacement?
I might not be leaving for 10years, but I got to have a plan.
(06:34):
So can you just talk a littlebit about that from your
experience?
No, Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Let's move on Chapter five Chapter five Sermon on the
Mount.
Here's the thing on successionplans, and I harp on them all
the time and I do a lot ofbusiness consulting and we talk
about how it's going to be, youknow, and a lot of times there's
a process and every company isset up totally different and we
get this.
I'm dealing with multiplecompanies and some of them have
(07:10):
you know where, where their momand pops, and then some of them
have big corporate structuresand and one of the things that
you know I always get into is isthere's gotta be a success and,
and we, we try to do it in allthe associations I belong to,
all the, the committee meetings,all the you know different
things.
We, we try to figure out thisline because if you do, what's
(07:30):
going to happen and I see it allthe time is, people will spend
a couple years and then theypick a new leader.
Well, that new leader doesn'thave the same values, they don't
have the same direction, theywant to take it totally
different, and then it throwsthe company, the committee,
whatever it might be, indisarray.
And I think one of the biggestthings that you can get out of
this, you know, is he.
You know, and we're going totalk about in five is he lived
(07:51):
it, he breathed it, he resiststemptation in four, but he
actually did it.
And if somebody's along withyou on that journey, when you're
living that, when you're goingthrough the process, when you're
telling them some of the dailytasks sort of like me, if I want
(08:13):
to travel out of town for aweek, well, you know my two and
three, they know everything thatwe need to be done, because
I've thought how I couldeventually, you know, retire out
of this business.
I don't know when that'll everbe.
You know 97, 98, I don't know,when that will ever be.
You know 97, 98, but hopefully105, you know that'd be great.
But you know, if everybody's onthe same page it's a lot easier
to make that exit strategy toget your people in the same
(08:37):
direction.
You know, last week we talkedabout mission statements.
You know, and that's just oneof those things, if you can get
those leaders keyed up, then itopens up so many avenues because
it's not just you being theleader, you have three or four
people that are all on the samepage.
Now you got three or fourleaders.
At any point Three people canleave and you're going to have
(08:57):
the same values, the samedirection, the same everything
going on.
And you know, and that's what Ithink Jesus was trying to do
Make sure we have the samemessage going out in different
channels and different places,but I mean at that point
everything, everybody was on thesame page Correct.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
And so because of that and he took time, you know
to they traveled together.
They were with together 24-7,most of the time that they
really absorbed the values ofJesus and he wanted those values
to be passed on.
Now everybody's going to havetheir own little character
(09:34):
differences, their priorities,but the goal would be 90% of the
message is the same.
You might look at it a littledifferent, you might prioritize
something a little different,but you just want to be sure
that the message didn't changeand it hasn't changed for 2,000
years.
That's because he laid thatfoundation from the very
(09:57):
beginning.
So that is a really good.
Leadership principle is how muchare you pouring into your
people?
You know some people they don'twant to be the leader, but you
still need to be pouring intothem.
You know, we see in thischoosing of the disciples that
he had 12 main followers.
(10:17):
He had lots of followers, buthe had 12 group and then he had
a small group of three PeterJames and John and so we see
Peter James and John doing a lotof things, maybe that the other
nine didn't.
And so the question would be,when you have your leadership
team, if you have anorganization, do you have a
(10:39):
small group, maybe two or threepeople, that you really rely
upon.
It's like your core group.
Now, if you're a mom and popshop, you might just have two
people you and your spouse, oryou and your best friend, or
whatever.
Okay, how much do you thinkabout what's going to happen
when?
What's our plan?
(11:01):
Are we going to just do thisuntil we can't breathe anymore
and then we're going to sell thebusiness, or we just hope
someone buys it, or whatever?
You've got to be thinking thatit might not take action yet,
but at least you've got to beprocessing and thinking about it
, and Jesus was really goodabout the long-range planning.
So, that was one of hispriorities is that he wanted to
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be sure that the messagecontinued to move forward after
he was gone, and so that was oneof his goals.
He did it, and we see thatpretty consistently.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, and then sort of going into Matthew 5.
Here it's sort of what we'resort of putting together is he's
getting through the values?
Right, he's getting through thevalues of his kingdom, how to
put it together?
The humility, the peacekeepingright.
What's it mean to be righteous?
I guess in a way Is it a goodsummary.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, how to live a godly life how to live a life
that honors God and blessespeople.
And and so you read the firstpart of chapter five, which are
called the Beatitudes, and thoseare timeless principles that
really laid the foundation forwhat Jesus was going to be about
(12:22):
in his ministry.
And so let's just take thefirst one Blessed are the poor
in spirit, for theirs is thekingdom of heaven.
So if we look at that to saypoor, know poor in spirit, he
wasn't talking about you, knowfinancially poor.
(12:42):
He was people recognizing thefact that they don't might have
it all together, that they stillneed to learn, they still lack
something in their life.
And so he said blessed arethose people who are humble
enough to realize that theydon't know everything, that they
still have needs.
And so I'm thinking what agreat lesson for leaders.
(13:03):
How many leaders have you metthat think, oh, they have it all
together, they know all thereis to know, they're God's gift
to the world and they treatother people that way?
And he said no, that's not myway.
My way is to be humble aboutthat, to realize that there's
always still more.
No, that's not my way.
My way is to be humble aboutthat, to realize that there's
always still more to learn.
There's still things that weneed, and Jesus was really
(13:25):
focusing on characterdevelopment.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, humility.
Humility is foundation ofgreatness.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yes, yeah, and so that's what he did.
And if you look at the secondone blessed are those who mourn
they shall be comforted.
But also the question isblessed are those who mourn?
How focused are we on theemotional needs of our people?
Are we just focusing on thetask that has to be done, or are
(13:53):
we focusing on what's going onin their lives?
Do we know them well enough toknow that they might be going
through a difficult time intheir life, and so we can maybe
accommodate a deadline, Maybe wecan give them a little slack,
because they're struggling withsomething in their personal life
, A family member's sick ormaybe passed away, or
(14:15):
something's going on and we'resensitive to that.
And so Jesus really laying outsome principles that I think
apply to all of us when we lookat them from a leadership point
of view.
So I would encourage you, ifyou're not familiar with Matthew
5, just read those first coupleof sentences and think okay,
(14:39):
how does this apply to my job,my life right now?
How does it apply to my family?
If I'm leading a scout troop orwhatever it may be, a baseball
team, how does that apply to me?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Three is blessed are the meek.
You know and I put down my shownotes Meekness isn't weakness,
you know, it's strength undercontrol.
You know, and that's sort ofwhat I look at, you know, and I
think that's unique the way tolook at it.
You know, the leaders they'renot domineering, they're
(15:14):
listening, they get all thoseattitudes, they take the
attitude out of there, right.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah, and so the way is.
This will explain to me.
Years and years ago, you take ahorse, a wild horse, and you're
going to break it, you know, soyou can ride it.
And when you put a bit in itsmouth to control where it goes,
Sounds like a good dad jokethere somewhere.
No, it's really not.
It could be.
You put a bit in his mouth, sothen you have the reins, you
(15:43):
control the energy, okay, and soyou focus all of that energy
and power into one direction,and that's what meek means.
It doesn't mean like you're adoormat or you know whatever
People walk on you.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
It's a good way to describe it.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
It's focusing all your energy in one direction,
and so yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Because I think a lot of people see the word meek and
the perception is, maybe it'scowered down, just weakness and
all that.
And it's really not.
It's really not.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
And so the next one blessed are those who hunger and
thirst for righteousness.
So the question would be youknow, one of the things that
Jesus was about his wholeministry was constantly teaching
his disciples.
He wanted them to constantly belearners, and I think a good
leader is a constant learner,whether they're reading, whether
(16:36):
they're going to seminars, andthen it's not just about them.
They want their people to beeducated.
They want their people to bethe best trained they can be
Okay.
So yeah, and so you do that alot.
I mean you focus a lot on yourhome builders association
training.
You know certifying differentpeople because education is very
(16:56):
, very important.
It's a powerful thing.
You know certifying differentpeople because education is very
, very important.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
It's a powerful thing .
You know, and I always tellpeople you know everything's.
There's a lot of information.
We live in information age withthe Internet and all that.
It's just find the stuff thatresonates.
Find the stuff that you can use.
You know, even when somebody'staking through my class, I'm not
here to change your world.
Find two or three things youcan actually put in practice and
that might change or shape thedirection that you end up, you
(17:21):
know, down the road.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
So yeah, so as we go through the first you know,
chapter of the Sermon on theMount, there is so much.
One of them is you know, you arethe salt of the earth.
Jesus was always about, and Iwas listening to a podcast this
morning while I was walking andit was talking about positive
language and negative languageand I thought, wow, jesus was
(17:46):
mainly about positive languagewhen he was trying to develop
his disciples.
Now there's occasional you canread that in the book of Matthew
when he was talking to some ofthe religious leaders that he
used negative language becausehe realized that they just
didn't want to know about himand they didn't like him and
they wanted to kill him and sohe was very blunt with them.
(18:07):
But when he met somebody whowanted to follow him, he used
positive, encouraged language.
And so, you know, a good leaderunderstands the value of
powerful, positive, encouraginglanguage and one of the jobs I
think of a good leader is tobuild up your people you know,
(18:29):
and it's not just what you say,it's your tone of voice, how you
say it.
The other thing is do you do?
Do you like?
If you need to discipline aperson, do you discipline them
in private, or do you disciplinethem in front of other people
and just humiliate them?
That's never good.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
No, that won't work out good.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
That doesn't work out good.
So Jesus is about positivelanguage, encouraging His people
, which encourages people.
And so here in the whole Sermonon the Mount Matthew 5, 6, 7,
or 5, 6, 7, he's justencouraging people to focus on
God and what kind of life youwant to live and you know what
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kind of character you want to beand how big a priority is that
in your life.
And he just gave some practicalsteps on how to do that on a
daily basis.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, Matthew 6, don't they get into the Lord's
Prayer or?
Something through that Isn'tthat where that sort of
originated Exactly?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
right, yeah, and so he talks about prayer, he talks
about fasting.
He talks about prayer, he talksabout fasting.
He talks about spiritualdisciplines, and so it's not
just some things about business.
It's like I want to grow in mypersonal spiritual life.
If you're going to grow in yourpersonal spiritual life,
reading the Bible is still thenumber one way to and been
(19:57):
proven.
If you read the Bible on aconsistent, if not daily, basis,
it's still the number one wayto grow in your faith.
Now, obviously, there's otherthings public worship, you know,
prayer.
Those are the kind of thingsthat I think are important.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, meditation.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Meditation serving.
Richard Foster wrote a greatbook years and years ago called
the Celebration of Discipline.
Talked about the 12 historicspiritual disciplines, and so
some people are attracted tocertain ones.
But if you want to grow in yourfaith and Jesus, that's what he
was all about reading the Bibleand worship prayer serving
(20:36):
those are important things to doin order to take baby steps to
grow in your faith.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah, yeah, it's good .
Speaker 2 (20:45):
It's good.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
All right.
So you got the Sermon on theMount coming up through.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
you know number what, eight, and yeah, through, well,
through the you know Sermon onthe Mount, and that goes through
chapter 7, and then we finishthat and then we get to chapter
8, and here in chapter 8, webegin to see Jesus starting to
do miracles.
He's starting to heal people.
(21:09):
We read about the faith of acenturion whose daughter was
sick, and so just constantly,Jesus is doing incredible things
to heal people, not justphysically, but to heal them of
(21:29):
their unbelief.
Many people, the sickness thatthey're dealing with is not a
physical thing, it is somethingthat they just believe that God
doesn't care for them, that noone cares, that they're not
important.
And Jesus is saying no, no, no,everybody's important to God
(21:50):
and everybody's important to me,and I'm going to treat
everybody the same, I'm going tolove them right where they are,
just the way they are.
And so he went to differentparts of the country and he
healed people, he taught he wasa very compassionate person and
he just kind of upset the applecart of the religious leaders of
(22:11):
the day.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
That would be an understatement.
That would be an understatement.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
That would be an understatement right, and so
because of that, he paid someconsequences.
And so I guess one of theleader's questions would be, or
principles would be you know, wecan choose to do whatever we
want.
We can't always choose theconsequences, but maybe we're
afraid of some of theconsequences that might happen,
(22:38):
so that keeps us from doingsomething that we really want to
do.
We think I don't know if thisis going to turn out, I don't
know if I want to invest in anew building, because this might
not work or whatever, and so wehold ourselves back because
we're afraid of the consequence,and that has lots of
implications for leaders.
(22:59):
And so are we willing to take arisk?
Are we willing to pay theconsequences of our decisions?
Because we're not the only onethat pays the consequences.
We have employees, we havepartners that pay the
consequences as well, and sothose things would take prayer
and thinking about how are wegoing to move forward, and
(23:20):
that's why I feel that you needa group of people around you to
talk those things through.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yeah, I like it yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
So then you know we have Jesus calming the storm.
You know he heals peoplecalming the storm, you know he
heals people.
And then here in chapter 9, weread him calling a man by the
name of Matthew who was a taxcollector, and Jews did not like
tax collectors but, it changedMatthew's life.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yeah, from tax collector to disciple right.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Correct, but he was so meticulous because tax
collectors had to be meticulous,right.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
He was so meticulous in his life before becoming a
disciple that he just continuedthat in his discipleship and he
used that as a tool to recordwhat Jesus was saying.
And we have the book now, 2,000years later.
And because so God used histalent to actually promote the
(24:26):
cause.
And so the question would befor leaders do you know the real
talents of your people?
And I've hired people, you know, and they've had something on
their resume, maybe something'snot on their resume and all of a
sudden you know we worktogether for a couple months and
I realize, oh, they have addedvalue because they have this
thing that I don't even knowabout, okay, and we think, yeah,
(24:49):
let's play to your strengththere, and so that's really a
good thing.
When you're thinking aboutpeople, do you know the value,
the hidden values, the addedvalues Can you spot?
Speaker 1 (24:59):
that greatness.
You know, I was just doing somebusiness, consulting, and and
that's exactly what I did withthe owners.
We sat down and went through umsort of a reorg chart you know
of of the company and guy hadonly been there for very brief
amount of time and he had some.
He had some history in his past, but I think that could be
(25:20):
overlooked and I think helearned from that big lessons
and ultimately promoted him intoa position of power and he is
just kicking some royal butt.
Right, he's doing great, but ifyou would hold that or you
would look at him differently orthat, you just but you could
(25:42):
see the strength.
You were looking at the, the,the greatness wanting to come
out of him and and I thinkthat's what you got to look at
and I think that as a leader,that's that's part of your job.
You know, jesus could have soldhis tax collector.
That was not a friendly place,you know, and messy, you know, I
guess in a way, but you know,really took him under his wing.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah, and it changed.
You know the blessing that camefrom that, because Jesus took
him under his wing.
So there we have that, and thenwe get to chapter 10, and after
chapter 10, jesus doesn't just,you know, he's starting to send
his disciples out to share themessage, to pray for people.
(26:25):
And so here's the thing, jesusobviously here's some leadership
principles.
He valued teams.
You know, he sent them out, hedelegated authority.
You know a lot of leaders.
They want all the authority,they want to make all the
decisions and it's like no, letyour people.
If you don't trust your peopleto make decisions, then the
(26:46):
question is, is that a statementabout your people or is that a
statement about you?
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah, that's the whole key, right, Because it you
know, sometimes you point atyour people and it's the three
fingers pointing back at you,you know because it's you're the
problem, not them.
You know how many times have Icalled in for business
consulting or to train theirpeople and it takes me, you know
, half a day to figure out.
It's not the people, it's theleader.
Somebody else is not in thisroom right now.
That hired me needs to be inthis room and these people need
(27:13):
to go on down their way.
Right, but a lot of times youno, but anyway.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
so Jesus had, he sent him out, delegated authority,
and he set priorities.
This is what I want you to do.
It was very clear about what hewanted his disciples to do.
He communicated hisexpectations and he put
boundaries on them too.
He did put boundaries.
He said this is what.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I want you to do and this is what I want you to
accomplish.
But he threw boundaries and Imade a note of that just because
a lot of people think that yourpeople don't want boundaries.
Your kids don't want boundaries.
You know they throw fits.
Here's the problem is, ourbrain likes boundaries.
You know as much as you don'tthink it does.
(27:58):
We like to know we can bouncebetween these two little
guardrails and be able to goforward, and it's just something
to think that it really stoodout to me when I was doing my
show prep there, the wordboundaries.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, and so Jesus is like well, you know, we see
that from the beginning of theScripture there are boundaries,
and when we break the boundariesthere are consequences that we
can't always control,consequences that we can't
always control.
And so we see that and then weget to, you know, here,
beginning around chapter 13, andwe'll finish up with you know,
(28:31):
this little bit is chapter 13 isfull of parables.
Okay, and Jesus loved teachingin parables.
But here's the question hewasn't just teaching His 12
disciples, he was teaching themasses.
Some of them were for Hispeople.
And then one of the parables hetaught, and then it says when
(28:52):
Jesus was alone with Hisdisciples, he explained things
to them.
And so you might be sharingwith a big company or with a
group of people, but thequestion is how did they
understand what you actuallysaid?
So I know that's true for me.
You know it's humbling.
Sometimes I preach a sermon andthen you know, several weeks
(29:15):
later someone says somethingabout it and I say, well, what
did you remember about thesermon and what they heard?
I didn't even realize.
I was saying okay.
So you have to think okay, heream I saying these certain
things, but are the peopleactually hearing the same
message, and so making sure thatyou communicate clearly, your
(29:40):
people understand exactly whatit is, and so Jesus taught in
parables.
For a specific reason, there'salways more than one lesson in
all those parables, but he was amaster at storytelling and
teaching, and so really thattakes us up to about chapter 14.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Yeah, sort of like what you said.
I want to add one thing on thatis you know, leadership is
about, you know, sowing the seedright.
You know the results might notbe immediate, but you're going
to see it right, you're going tosee it long term.
So sort of like, when thepeople come back, you come and
give your sermon that day andgive your sermon that day.
(30:23):
It might not be the immediateimpact, but there's at some
point that impact that canreally change the course of
somebody's direction in life andor help them out of a tough
spot that maybe is coming up,that they don't even know what
it is Correct, and so that's thething you want to just continue
to plant seeds into your people, continue to train them,
continue to encourage them,support them, give them the
(30:44):
authority to make decisions andthen hold them accountable.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
That's a real big part.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
You've got to have systems in place.
I just went through it with oneof my companies and what's the
next step?
I have a lot of people I'm like, well, we have to go through
and do this, this and this,because to hold these people
accountable, they have to knowexactly what their job
definitions, their defined,their scope, that they're
supposed to be doing every day.
And once you've had thatdiscussion, then you can go
(31:12):
through the process of holdingthem accountable because you've
had that discussion.
But if you're not having thatdiscussion, it's going to be
tough to hold anybodyaccountable.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
So yeah, and so one of the things for leaders is,
when you have your annual review, or sometimes six-month review,
that's an important time to setdown expectations so that when
you have your review and you'rehopefully meeting with your
people on a regular basis, theyknow are they meeting
expectations, are they not?
(31:38):
And those are pretty, you knowyou have those things, that
checklists.
This is things I want to haveyou do in the next six months,
you might.
Jesus was not a micromanager,so he didn't tell his people how
to do it.
He showed them and then letthem kind of do their own thing.
And so you give expectations,but that doesn't mean you
(32:00):
micromanage your people and tellthem exactly, watch over their
shoulder every minute of the day.
That's not good.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Nope, that's not good .
That's good.
Can you believe we actuallymade it through Matthew?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Well, through chapter 14.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Well, through chapter 14, yes, yes, that's exactly
right, yeah, that's right.
We hit where we wanted to getto today.
How about that so?
Speaker 2 (32:26):
you know, that's it.
Yay, yay, we're done, yay,we're good.
All right.
So what dad jokes do you have?
Speaker 1 (32:34):
So anyway, what do you have?
Some dad jokes, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Have you had any dad jokes for us?
Are you pulling?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
out the book.
I'm pulling out some.
See what I got there.
I usually have bad dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I can't tell, I always tell people you know I've
got good language.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
I've got construction language.
I've got good thoughts, I'vegot construction thoughts.
There's a lot that goes on inmy head.
You know, sometimes I can't usemy construction language at the
podcast and in front of theroom.
And yes, I know, dr Posey, beconsistent in your image.
I know, but it's just so tough,right.
So in my head I've got a lot ofdad jokes, but none that I
(33:17):
would ever say in front of DrPosey, Because I hear them from
my guys, right?
So, um, um, did you hear therumor about butter?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Did it spread real thin.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Nevermind, I shouldn't spread it.
Okay, oh my son just told meone other day I should uh, oh, I
have one.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
That's so funny.
What did the uh?
Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I'm trying to think what he told me.
Uh, why, why did the theastronaut get embarrassed?
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Cause he got mooned, he created that one.
He creates dad jokes all thetime.
It was pretty good, so don'tknow where he where he gets
those things from Okay, so hereyou go.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah, what do you call an acid with an attitude?
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Acid, with an attitude Trying to do the letter
jumble Not good at those things.
What you got?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Amino acid.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Amino acid.
I'll give you that one.
All right, one more.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Why wouldn't the young crab share his toys?
He?
Speaker 1 (34:37):
was Shellfish.
Shellfish.
All right, all righty.
Unless you got All right, I getthat one.
All righty Unless you got onemore.
I'm going to let the people go.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Well, I do, but I'll save it for next week.
Save it up for there.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
so we finish.
Well, you know, never know, wemay or may not finish Matthew
next week, but we're going tomaybe work on it.
We'll see how it goes for surewe're going to work on it.
Hey guys, check us out.
Biblicalleadershipshowcom.
Let us know what you have,maybe a subject where, if you
want us to go deep, diving insome of these upcoming parts of
(35:12):
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But other than that guys have aglorious, great week the rest of
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(35:32):
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Make it a great day.
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