December 24, 2024 • 38 mins
What if the holidays could be a time for deep connection and unexpected joy, even if you're feeling alone? Gather around our festive Christmas Eve edition of the Biblical Leadership Show, where we share heartwarming personal plans and cherished family traditions that bring the true spirit of Christmas to life. We delve into the bittersweet side of the holidays, recognizing those who might be feeling lonely or have lost loved ones, and offer a gentle nudge towards community and solace found in a Christmas Eve church service. We also highlight the heartwarming story of Dorothy, who selflessly worked so others could spend the holidays with family, reminding us of the profound gift in every single day.
Unwrap the gift of kindness with us as we explore how simple acts can spread Christmas cheer far and wide. From volunteering at a food shelf to sprinkling in light-hearted Christmas-themed dad jokes, we aim to uplift and inspire. This episode also introduces our fresh approach to discussing biblical leadership principles, with thematic explorations of books like Joel and Obadiah. Our goal is to ensure that the message of leadership and community resonates throughout this special season, so tune in for a blend of humor, insight, and holiday spirit.
Join us for a lively conversation about family traditions, leadership potential, and constructive feedback, peppered with some classic dad jokes guaranteed to bring a smile. We reminisce about favorite holiday moments, like playing poker with family and embarking on creative stocking hunts. As we look to the new year, we discuss strategies for maintaining productivity and team unity, emphasizing that new beginnings can happen anytime. Our New Year's Eve show promises more laughs and stories, so send us your best dad jokes and let's celebrate the season together with humor and joy. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year from all of us at the Biblical Leadership Show!
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
uh-huh now yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on, come on,
(00:49):
welcome, welcome welcome toanother exciting episode of the
biblical leadership show.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Now let's do it right .
Welcome, welcome welcomechristmas eve, dr p.
How are you doing?
Good tim, how you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
brother, oh brother, I'm doing great, doing great,
doing great christmas evechristmas eve.
Yes, I know it's exciting, soright now we're probably uh,
hanging out with the family,probably gonna do a christmas
eve dinner, so we're we'rerecording this a couple days
early so we are just you know inall fairness yeah, so, uh, so
(01:23):
we're hanging out with some somethings, because we always have
the family over for ChristmasEve and then we do Christmas Day
Christmas at our house.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
So I know a lot of people do the Christmas.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Eve thing, but we're Christmas morning and so we're
pretty excited, so I'll behanging out with the family by
right now.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, so our daughter and her boyfriend are coming in
from Maryland today, christmasEve, so we're excited about that
.
And then our son and his familyis coming out from California
in a couple of days, and sowe'll all be together for, you
know, maybe two or three days,and then our daughter and her
(02:00):
boyfriend have to go back toMaryland, and then our son and
his family will stay on for acouple more days, and so we have
about a week of family in.
You know, christmas Day noteverybody will be there, so
don't actually know when we'llhave Christmas meal.
You know we'll have something,and so it'll be good.
(02:23):
It'll be really, really good.
That's awesome.
It's always good to havesomething Right, and so it'll be
good.
It'll be really, really good,that's awesome.
It's always good to have timewith family.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
You know family it makes it.
You know, and you see a lot ofpeople that you haven't seen for
a while.
You know because you gettogether a couple times a year
and, yeah, it's nice to havethat time to spend with them,
and you know and it's just sucha special time of the year.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
It really is, and you know, but for some people this
is not a good time you knowthey're lonely or they just lost
a spouse or a significant otherand it's a sad time and you
know most people have beenthrough that at least once in
their life and it's not a goodthing.
(03:04):
So my encouragement is if youare by yourself on this
Christmas Eve, look up online,go to a church service that has
a Christmas Eve service.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
It could be six o'clock, it could be a midnight
mass.
Whatever it is, go and bearound some other people and
just celebrate the birth ofChrist with other people.
You might not know them, itmight be hard for you, but just
think about walking in andthinking how can I bless someone
(03:40):
else this Christmas Eve andshow up early.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I always tell people show up early because that's
when the talking, the getting toknow the people around you and
that's show up early.
I always tell people show upearly because that's when the
the talking, the getting to knowthe people around you.
You know, and that's that's sucha benefit.
You know a lot of people don'tunderstand that showing up early
you get to know a few peoplearound you and it that's that's
always a good thing, you know,especially on Christmas.
And and do the.
My wife lost her mom this year.
(04:03):
I lost my dad right afterChristmas last year, so it's
always that time that you don'thave your loved ones with you,
so it's going to be an awkwardtime.
It's different, Different yeah,I guess that's the key word, but
it's one of those things thatyou cherish every day.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
You do cherish every day, because every breath that
we breathe is a gift from God.
Every day we live is a gift,and so this is a time of year to
really celebrate that gift,with the birth of Christ that we
celebrate tomorrow.
And so just figure out, how canyou celebrate that?
You know, I had a—my very firstchurch.
(04:43):
I had a secretary by the nameof Dorothy.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Dorothy.
Dorothy, was she from Kansas?
Yes, she was.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
She was an operating room nurse and she came to the
church on Thursday afternoon toprint off the bulletin.
That was her.
She did it as a volunteer, okay, a volunteer Okay.
(05:11):
But one thing amazing aboutDorothy is she was single and so
she worked every holiday.
I mean, she worked Thanksgiving, she worked Christmas, just so
that the people who had familiescould be with their families on
the day.
So what a gift that was forpeople, and so maybe this
Christmas, the question would bewhat gift can I give to be a
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blessing to someone else?
I might be by myself, but whatcan I do to be a blessing to
someone else this Christmas Eveor this Christmas?
What can I do?
And if you're listening to usand you think you know I haven't
really thought about that, andif you're listening to us and
(05:53):
you think you know I haven'treally thought about that, well,
maybe you can look for somefood shelf, somebody that's
serving meals tomorrow, or whatcan you do to help someone and
be a blessing to someone on thisChristmas holiday, and you will
get more out of that than yourealize, and it might be tough
to do that.
You will get more out of thatthan you realize and it might be
tough to do that.
But I encourage people to stepout and do something like that
just to make someone else'sChristmas just a little bit
happier.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah 100%.
Yeah, so we're doing ourChristmas Eve show and I guess
this is sort of a point where wetalk about what we're talking
about today, but then we havesome exclamation about why we're
doing sort of what we're doing,right.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Right, does that sort of sound very generic and
everything.
That's a good setup for you,right?
That's right.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
yeah, talk about what we're going to talk about, but
don't talk about what we'retalking about.
No, because a lot of peopledon't understand.
I'm just going to turn it it.
Yeah, just let me just say it,Because we talked about this in
show prep.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, so we as if you've been following the show.
If you have not, if this isyour first time to listen to us,
we say welcome.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Welcome To the biblical leadership.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
And so for the last couple months we've been going
through books of the Bible andtalking about leadership
principles in every book.
Well, we're going to continueto do that all the way through
next August, but starting todaywe are not—we're working on the
Old Testament.
Last week we finished up theSong of Solomon, but from now to
(07:14):
the end of the Old Testamentwe're not going to go in the
order that is printed in theBible.
Okay, so we are trying to matcha like two books together that
we can talk about.
They might have some of thesame themes or something like
that.
So today we're going to talkabout Joel and Obadiah and we'll
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get to all the books, but it'snot going to be in the order,
just because we feel it's betterfor our program planning to do
it this way.
And so just stick with us.
We'll eventually get to all thebooks in the Old Testament and
then we'll start in the NewTestament sometime in the spring
summer and we'll go through allthose books, and so we'll still
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finish the end of August nextyear.
And so today we're going to talkabout Joel and Obadiah.
They're small books.
I mean, obadiah is the shortestbook in the Old Testament.
It just has one chapter andJoel.
Very important book we readabout that.
It's quoted in the book of Acts, chapter 2, on the day of
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Pentecost.
So it's got some very important, significant history and
implications, I believe, for ourlives.
But instead of jumping rightinto the biblical story we need
to have some type of dad joke.
It is Christmas Eve, right?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Are you waking me up?
You're waking me up.
So yeah, so he's.
Yeah, I'm ready for some dadjokes.
Yeah, you know, we gotta havethe Christmas.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I mean, christmas is like one time a year, so we
can't do Christmas jokes.
Next week.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I know that's just not appropriate.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yes and we didn't do them last week.
That was our anniversary week,right.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
That was yeah, right, and so we're just—.
Didn't want to make Mama mad,you know, by doing jokes about
anniversary, no, no no, no,never, never, never.
But we are going to have somefun today.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yeah, so here's the first one what do you call Santa
when he stops moving?
I think this is awesome.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
When he stops moving.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah, what do you call Santa when he stops moving?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Santa Paws, where's the?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
button.
Yeah, that's a bad one.
They're only going to get worse.
I'm just saying you know, myfavorite one when we did show
prep was what do you call an elfwho sings A rapper?
My kids are going to love thatone.
They're going to love that one,I guarantee.
Especially, wrapping presents,right?
(09:42):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (09:42):
wrapping presents.
Oh, it was so funny the otherday.
You know this whole thing aboutthe elf on the shelf.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Okay, diane and I were driving I don't remember
where it was, but we're drivingand this car on the right is
pulling us and is passing us onthe right-hand side, and it was
a car that had an actual trunk.
So many now FUVs don't actuallyhave a trunk.
This car had a trunk and out ofthe trunk were two elf legs.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
It's not an elf on the shelf, it's an elf in the
trunk.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
An elf in the trunk right.
Oh, my goodness, that's the wayit is.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Oh my goodness, when are you?
Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
All right, give us one more and we'll talk why does
Santa always land on the roof?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
He's a lot easier going in the front door Because
he likes to be on top of theworld.
That's another bad one.
I can't reach the buttons.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I need to have an extra stender to reach the
buttons.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Let's see no don't do that one Not that button.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Oh, don't do that one .
Yeah, not that button.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Oh, I like this one.
What do you get when you crossa snowman and a dog?
I think this one's fun.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I don't know, what do you get when you cross a
snowman?
You get frostbite.
That's bad.
What button is that one?
I don't know.
All right, that's great.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Are we done with dad jokes?
Well, for now.
For now, let's give them whatthey're here for.
Let's talk about the Bible forat least a minute.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah, I mean it is a great time we should have
actually read Christmas storiesand stuff, but maybe we'll think
about that one.
But let's start with what, joel?
Is that what we're going to?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
start with.
Well, we could do that, butlet's just say what would be
your favorite Christmastradition, either from your
history, from your growing up,or now.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Boy, that's a great question.
You know it was always aboutfamily and I know this is going
to sound so crazy, but God blessmy grandma because she's the
one that did it.
Our favorite and growing up, iswe always would play Pocino
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it's like a poker like thing orwe would play straight-up poker.
My grandma wanted to play pokerOn Christmas.
On Christmas and we alwayswould play poker.
We'd get the cards out, dealthem.
We'd always bring our nickels,dimes and quarters and we would
play poker.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
With grandma.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
With grandma, my dad, my grandma, my sister, all the
family, aunts and uncles.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Like around the kitchen table.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yes, we would have it and that was our thing for
christmas, that was the thingthat it was just so fun.
And, uh, she's the one taughtme how to play poker right, I
just she loved it.
I let a whole family, we justwe had so much fun.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
how did this like take all day, or is this after
lunch, a couple hours afterdinner, later on the night and
stuff and my dad was a pokerplayer, so he was teaching me a
lot and it was just.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
It was our family tradition for years and years
and years that's what we woulddo is play poker.
So I don't know, maybe I needto fire up some of the poker
when we're doing this tonight.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Teach your son and daughter right, yeah, exactly
right.
So is that where you learnedyour poker face?
Yeah, that's where I learned mypoker face from grandma.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Grandma had a good poker face right.
So you didn't mess with grandma.
So, and she had no quorum, shewouldn't give you your money
back.
She goes no, I won this fairand square.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I won those three.
She taught Lesson.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
No, your $100 is coming with me.
You can win it back nextChristmas.
And yeah, but how about you?
What are some favoritetraditions?
I'm assuming it wasn't poker.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
It wasn't poker, I think I shared this last year.
But one of my favoritetraditions of our family and
we've done this for years andyears is to do our stocking hunt
.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Oh yeah, that's right .
Speaker 1 (13:46):
We have this thing where it's like a scavenger hunt
with your stocking, and so wewrite a letter from Santa to the
person and then each, like theletter, has clue number one, and
it's something either in thehouse or in the yard or
something.
And the older you are, theharder the clue is, and so
(14:11):
there's always.
We have probably 20 nativitysets in our house, so there's
always a clue the reason for theseason, I mean, that's always
one of the clues.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Okay, but there could be.
It could be like something inthe pantry it could be.
One of my favorite ones was Idon't remember the clue, but I
remember what I did with it.
I wrote it and then I froze itin an ice cube.
Okay, so I think it was our sonhad to get the ice cube, find
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the ice cube in the ice tray inthe freezer, unthaw the ice cube
and then read the clue okay,that's hilarious.
Yes, and so, okay, this hasreally happened.
So years ago, you know, andbecause our kids get into this
and now we have grandkids and sothey get into it too, okay, so
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years ago there was a song andit was very popular in the 70s
called Dead Skunk in the Middleof the Road.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
okay, that was the name of the song okay, Nice.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
So I used to sing that just kind of as a joke.
Well, our son got a copy ofthat song and put it in the CD
player, okay.
So the clue was just the arrow,just the diamond shape for the
press the button.
That was the clue.
And I'm thinking what in theworld is that, you know?
(15:34):
And I finally figured it out.
Oh, that's the play button onthe CD player.
So I played it and the song wasqueued up for the dead skunk in
the middle of the road.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
So my clue was duct taped to the middle of the road,
out in the street in front ofthe house.
There we go.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
I just had to check it out, right, that's hilarious.
I've never heard this song.
Oh, it's's a great song I'm notplaying the whole thing.
I'm gonna have to listen tothat middle of that one.
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My kids will probably love thatone.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
So, anyway, that was so our.
And the other day there was anAmazon delivery and I went out
there.
This was over the weekend andit was pouring down rain and it
reminded me one year.
One of the clues was somethingin the mailbox.
I don't remember what the cluewas, but the clue.
The next clue was in themailbox, and it was pouring down
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rain on Christmas Day and ourson, good sport that he is, went
out there with an umbrella, gotsoaking wet, got the clue out
of the mailbox.
So normally, with the adults inthe family, there are six clues
and the last clue leads you toyour stocking.
Okay, and so that's kind ofwhat we do, and it literally
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with all the kids and the adults.
It literally takes us a wholeday or two days to do the
stocking hunt.
So that's a big part of ourtradition.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Nice.
What's the reward with thestocking?
You've got like a pair of socksin there.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
There's always an orange or an apple and some gum.
Now there might be a little,you know, like a stocking
stuffer too.
It could be something else,like a little game or something,
but the whole joy is thejourney.
Right Is the journey, and youknow, because Diana and I write
most of the clues for the kidsand the grandkids.
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The problem is our kids writethe clues for us.
So what's interesting is youknow the answer to the clue
because you've hit them.
You've hit all the clues andsometime they're on the
Christmas tree, on one of theornaments or something like that
, you know, and people could belooking right at the clue.
They could be looking right atit and they don't see it.
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And you're thinking why don'tthey see that?
Well then it's your turn andyou're looking right at the clue
and you don't see it either soit's just fun.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
I remember you telling us this and now that we
have a couple of days, I wasright up on a show last year.
I didn't have time to do this.
I might have to implement thisand see if I can do that.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, just start out with a couple of clues.
Your kids are smart, they'llfigure it out.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, no, they would love that.
I love scavenger hunt.
Well, you know, we didn't havethe skunk got run over you know
the.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Thing.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
But we always did, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Bye, reindeer, that was one of our favorites.
Was that after the poker game?
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah, sometimes we always break out a big dance
party at our Christmases.
It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
So what's your favorite Christmas food Like for
dinner?
What's your?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
favorite.
You know, I don't know, I knowthat you know.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
You have turkey ham duck.
What do you normally have?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
We usually have hams, a lot turkeys and stuff.
You know, it depends on what wedo on Thanksgiving.
Sort of influences what we doon.
You know, the Christmas thisyear again we're going to do
sort of a combination, I think,because we went out of town for
Thanksgiving.
So I'll probably do some of thetraditional stuff turkey and
hams but I think my wife'splanning on doing some of the
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Italian stuff too.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
So we're going to do sort of a combination.
And what time is dinner?
Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Come on over, Dr B.
Come on, come on, come on.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I'm just two more people.
No, you're welcome.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
You know you're welcome anytime in my house,
that's true, but yeah, it's oneof those things that I'm looking
forward to.
It's always a good time.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
That's always a good time, yeah, for sure, One of my
favorite foods.
We'll normally have ham, andthen my wife makes this amazing
dish called pineapple au gratin.
It's just it's impressive, likepineapple and cheese, and it's
just really, really good.
It goes with ham, and then wehave cold sweet potatoes.
Now, that sounds disgusting forsome people.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
It's really good.
It's really good.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
But enough of that for Christmas.
We've got to get to at leastthe Bible a little bit.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
We've got to talk a little bit about it.
Let's talk about this book.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Let's talk about Joel , Joel, right yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Joel, it's the shortest book in the Old
Testament.
No, that's Obadiah.
Oh, is it Obadiah?
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Joel is a couple of chapters long.
It is quoted in Acts, chapter 2.
Joel 2.28 is quoted on the dayof Pentecost, when the Holy
Spirit was poured out onto thedisciples.
It talks about that and one ofthe things that we can learn
from that.
It talks about young men andwomen see visions.
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Older men and women have dreams, and so here's the thing about
leadership from that verse.
Okay, Joel 2.28.
Don't discount someone becauseof their age.
Some of your great leadersmight be some of the youngest
people on your staff.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
You know, if you look back in business, a lot of our
very famous people didn't evenstart their leadership journey
until their 50s plus, right?
And it's interesting on some ofthe people you look at, right.
So don't discount that by nomeans.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, and so one of the things that I've learned in
my work as a pastor is someone'schronological age does not
necessarily represent theirspiritual maturity, right, right
.
Same is true with theirleadership skill.
Someone's chronological agedoesn't necessarily tell you
their leadership ability ortheir leadership desire.
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Tell you their leadershipability or their leadership
desire.
Some of your younger staffmembers employees, co-workers,
whatever might have some greatleadership potential, and so I
think, as a leader, our job isto nurture that, discover that
they might not be great atcasting vision, but you know
what they're great at leadingthat team, to do the research
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for that.
And so I'm going to put them incharge of that team and see how
they do.
And so part of the leader's jobis to think, okay, where are my
leaders going to come from?
And sometimes we make themistake of overlooking some of
our young staff members or youngemployees, and I think that's a
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mistake.
And part of the job, I think,is to nurture those young people
on our staff.
They might not be young in age,they just might be young to the
organization.
They might only been there oneor two years, but they just got
out of the military afterserving 20 years and they were
in charge of their unit orwhatever.
They have great leadershippotential, but they haven't been
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with us very long.
You know, it's like hmm, thatmight be a really good person to
get you know to do this, and soI think we can learn that from
Joel here, chapter 2, verse 28.
It's a great leadershipprinciple.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah, I mean that's what you're trying to do.
Is you're trying to inspireothers to you know?
Yeah, I mean that's what you'retrying to do.
Is you're trying to inspireothers to you know, dream big,
to you know, to look to abrighter future, you know, and
that's, I think that's what thatverse means to me as well.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah, and so another thing about Joel.
So if we read the book of Joel,it's not very long, you can
probably read it in, you know,about 10, 15 minutes.
It's important, like I saidlast time, to understand some of
the history behind it.
What's the purpose of the book?
He was a prophet, but one ofthe things he did is he focused
on the vision and he called hispeople to action.
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And so right now we're endingthe year.
The question is what are yougoing to do as a leader,
starting in January, to callyour people to action, to focus
on your vision, to focus on yourmission?
What are you going to do withyour words?
What are you going to do withyour motivation?
What are you going to do withyour incentives?
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What are you going to do tocall your people to action?
And is it going to be the sameaction that they've been doing
for the last 10 years andthey're just tired of it?
Or is there a new spin you'regoing to put in?
You know on that.
So that's just a good time toprocess that, if you haven't
already.
I don't think it's too late, youknow, because people are in the
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mindset of it's the holidayseason.
Maybe I can take a break andmaybe you're off.
Maybe you're off this week,next week, but you come back in
January and you're thinking,okay, we've got to really focus
on, we're going to make ourfirst quarter really really good
.
What are you going to do tomotivate your people and to call
them to action?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
And Joel was good at that.
He was calling the nation toaction, and so that's a great
lesson that we can learn fromthe book of Joel.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah, and that's one of those things I had noted on
mine Joel, 2-1, blow the trumpetin Zion, sound the alarm on my
holy hill.
It talks about you know,knowing when urgency is
necessary, right, Knowing whento light a fire under your team
to get it done.
You know, a lot of times atthis point in this time of the
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season it's actually toughbecause everybody starts
relaxing.
Or even the month of Decemberin general is tough for
corporations.
A lot, because everybody's like, oh, we'll just wait until the
next year, right, We'll kick itoff good at the beginning of the
year.
Well, I mean, you can kick offa new beginning.
You don't have to set NewYear's resolutions.
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New Year's resolutions can beset in June can be set in
December.
I mean, you don't have to waitto decide to get in shape on
January 1st, start December 1st,you know, and and it's always
this tough time there to figureout how to motivate people to
continue through the holidayseason.
You want them to have fun, youwant them to relax, you want to
enjoy the team.
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This is a lot of team buildingat this point you know of the
year, but at the same time, youstill have business, we still
have bills to pay, we still havethings that have to be
accomplished.
I'm still trying to getprojects done, you know, by the
end of the year, just becausewe'd like to get them wrapped up
beginning of the year, firstyear.
So we're set for our busy times, you know, coming up.
So correct.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
And so, in addition to that, to you know, call the
people to action and urgency andthose kind of things.
One of the things that Joe wasattempting to do in his writing
in his book was to unify thecommunity, unify the nation, and
so the question is, how are yougoing to unify your people
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around your mission, your vision?
We've talked about this a lotis the communication words,
emails, personal conversationswith people.
So many times now communicationis done only through email or
only through text.
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It's that maybe, as a leader,one of the things you can do to
begin to unify your team is tospend time individually with
each person you know, and itmight not be very long.
It might be 15 minutes once amonth, might be 15 minutes once
a week, you know.
Whatever it may be for you.
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But unifying the people aroundthat and seeing where people are
are they buying into that?
Do they understand what it iswe got to do this quarter are.
Are they buying into that?
Do they understand what it iswe got to do this quarter?
You know sales are down or oursupply chain is slow or whatever
is starting.
How can we unify our peoplearound our mission and purpose
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vision for this next year.
How can we?
do that, and I think part ofthat is just building
relationships from the verybeginning.
It might be a New Year'sresolution that you're going to
spend a certain amount of timewith the top 10 people of your
organization every month, or dotwo a week.
Spend 30 minutes with twopeople every week, and that will
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make huge dividends for thelong run.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Right, yeah, I mean you have to take time.
You know you have to.
Everybody knows their team.
You know whether you have twopeople working for you or 200,
you know, at some point you haveto develop a plan.
You got to execute your planover the course of the year and
prioritize.
If you have a plan, eventuallyyou're going to have a strong
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team.
But you can't just let it runitself.
You have to be an active leaderto be able to really make it
happen.
One more and then we'll getinto Obadiah.
I know you weren't going to getinto this, but I think it's
such a powerful thing when theytalk about the words.
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I will repay you for the years.
The locusts of Eden and wetalked about a little bit before
the show I just think that's astrong thing.
It's a strong statement, youknow.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
It's a strong statement that we read there in
the book and I've used it whenI've prayed for people.
I don't know if you can do thatin your organization or
whatever you're leading, butit's a powerful prayer of hope
and encouraging people to focuson what's coming instead of just
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what happened.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
We all go through difficult times and the question
is where's our focus in themidst of that?
Yeah, question is, where's ourfocus in the midst of that?
And it's a time to walk withsomebody during a difficult time
and just keep praying for themor encouraging them.
Maybe, if someone's goingthrough a difficult time on your
team, you need to spend alittle bit more time with them.
You know, they might just kindof be a loner right now.
Maybe they need some extraattention.
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And maybe you're not going topray for them out loud, but you
can pray for them silently.
And there in Joel 2.25, about Iwill repay you for the years of
locusts have eaten what a greatprayer for God's blessing in
their life.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, and I even thought about it from a
corporate standpoint.
You know, maybe you had a badyear.
You know a lot of peoplemorale's down, sales were bad.
You know we're coming off anelection year.
Election years are mostgenerally a lot of times flat.
Going into that because they'refor sure people don't like
change.
They don't know where theeconomy is going, where who's
going to be the next leader and,and you know this, this one
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sort of struck me as a verypowerful thing, not only for
personal but for maybe corporate, to see where you maybe go, and
I thought that was prettystrong.
So Obadiah, obadiah.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Shortest Now, shortest, shortest book in the
Old Testament.
Now I got my notes in the rightspot.
Yeah, shortest book in the OldTestament.
And I'll just hit on one thing.
Obadiah wrote this.
We don't know exactly when itwas written, but we do know that
when it was written, it was thepeople of Israel, the Jewish
people, were suffering greatlyat the hands of their enemies.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
I got the date.
It was written.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Do you need that?
Yeah, just throw it out.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
All right, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
I don't want to brag and so it was a difficult time
for the country, yeah, andObadiah was encouraging people
to be faithful even in the midstof a difficult time.
So maybe you know year 2024 wasnot great for you, right, and
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you know you're going intobecause you had a slump in sales
or you lost some key people oryou had to downsize or something
.
I think the leader's job not tobe Pollyannish about it, but
you want to manage and leadfaithfully under extreme
conditions, and that's whatObadiah was trying to do is
trying to cast a vision and givepeople a positive outlook.
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In the very uncomfortable,difficult circumstances.
He was saying, no, there'sstill hope, there's still.
You know, we've got a future.
We just have to focus on theright thing.
And for him that was God, andfor you it's like okay, what are
you going to focus on this yearif this last year was not as
great as you wanted it to be?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, and the one that stood out to me was Obadiah
1-12.
It says you should not gloatover your brother in the day of
his misfortune, and one of thosethings it talks about.
You know, words of mockery orsomebody's hardship shows a lack
of compassion or integrity, andI think that's a big time thing
.
Lesson on leadership you knowwhether it's your competitor.
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You know whether it's somebodythat works for you.
You know wherever it is.
You know don't don't talk badabout something.
You know.
And because you know we'vewe've all been through things.
Every person has been inbusiness, has had ups and downs.
I don't care if you're talkingabout Apple and all the.
We all have ups and downs andwe've all had that.
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And be compassionate and havethat integrity, just to be
positive, as you just said.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Speak in that positive tone.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah, so we're going to finish up.
Yeah, so we're going to finishup.
This is number three of thingsthat we started two weeks ago
about this magazine article thatI read from Forbes magazine in
June of this year, and so thisis a list of what leaders want
from the people they lead.
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Two weeks ago, we talked aboutaccountability for your mistakes
.
Last week, we talked aboutbeing proactive in your
follow-up.
Today, we want to talk aboutthe ability to receive
constructive feedback.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
And some people say constructive criticism.
But the PC term now isconstructive feedback and it's
important you have to give it,so many people want different
results out of their employees,but they aren't willing to give
honest feedback to make thembetter.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yeah, and so the question is if you have an
evaluation and you havesomething that might not be as
positive, are you receiving thatwith bitterness?
Are you receiving that as?
Do you have time to talk aboutit?
Okay, what do you see me doingbetter?
How can I improve this area ofyour life?
It might not be right then, butmaybe in the next week or two
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weeks, you can set up a timewith the person that evaluated
you.
Now here's the thing aboutgiving evaluations when you give
an evaluation, the people thatyou are evaluating should know
exactly how they're beingevaluated.
There should not be anysurprises as to oh, I didn't
know I was being evaluated bythat.
On that, okay, they should knowwell in advance.
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And when I did evaluations, Iwould have people fill out an
evaluation of themselves and Iwould fill out one, and then
we'd talk about them together.
That's how I did it.
So, however you do evaluations,it's important to give
constructive feedback, becauseyou want your people to be the
best they can be.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah 100%.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Well, I think that's good for a Christmas show.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
It is.
We've got to have a couple moredad jokes.
We do.
And I've got one, that I thinkyeah, I've got one, dad jokes we
do and I've got, I've got onethat I think, yeah, I've got one
.
Well, I've got a couple, but Ihave one that I really like okay
, which one is that?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
why was the snowman looking through the carrots?
Oh no yes, I don't even want toknow, oh yeah what why?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
he was picking his nose, he was your kids are going
to love that one too right, nooh.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
What else you got?
You got any good ones.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, what do you call a cat on Christmas?
Speaker 2 (35:38):
A cat?
Oh, we had the dog one earlierit was frostbite.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
What do you call a cat on Christmas?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
I don't know what do we call a cat Santa?
Claus, yeah, no, no, no.
I'm sorry, I was going to giveyou the rim shot on that one.
I like this one even better.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
What do you call an obnoxious reindeer?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I know this one and I like it too, I like it.
Go ahead, rude off, rude off.
R-u-d-e.
Yeah, rudolph, rudolph, r-u-d-e.
Yeah, rudolph, and you know,I'll let you.
You know, why did the gendermango to therapy?
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Tell me.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
He was feeling crummy .
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Oh, maybe we'll just end with that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I mean we do have, why the reindeer hang on their
Christmas trees?
The reindeer hang on theirchristmas trees what ornaments,
ornaments, oh no, no, yeah,that's got my buttons off.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah, really, hey, okay well yes hey, merry
christmas.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Christmas.
We do wish you a MerryChristmas, you know, and uh, uh,
you know, have a great one, youknow and tell them about next
week.
Oh, next week, next weekChristmas Eve.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
No, New Year's Eve.
I mean, yeah, hold on.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
New Year's Eve show.
Uh, we're going to have somefun, aren't we?
Speaker 1 (37:08):
We're going to have a lot of fun.
We're going to uh, maybe themost we're going to have some
fun, aren't we?
We're going to have a lot offun.
Maybe the most fun we're goingto have all week.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
At least in the studio.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Yeah, depending on what you do for New Year's.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
We're going to do a little fun show.
We're going to have a lot ofdad jokes.
We're going to have a lot ofstories.
Are we going to have a lot ofstories?
Are we going to talk a lot ofthe Bible?
I don't know that we will.
I don't know if we're going todo Bible stuff we don't but
we're going to have some fun.
We're going to have a lot ofgood dad jokes.
We need your dad jokes.
We will be back in studio andwe're going to be recording, so
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send us your dad jokes.
Yes please, Because we need itfor our New Year's Eve show.
I mean we're going to have somefun there.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Send us more than one .
Yes, send us more than one, andif you think they're bad,
that's the ones we want.
That's the ones we want.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
I mean we want the groaners.
You know those are the goodones for us.
But yeah, we're going to have afun show.
You know if you want to listento a fun and have that and uh
yeah that's what it is.
Come hang out with us NewYear's Eve.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yes, all right.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
So, uh, anyway, all that is being said, merry
Christmas.
Dr Posey you know, to you andyour family, and we wish
everybody out there listening.
We thank you for beinglisteners and uh we uh want to
wish you the best.
Uh reach out to us if you haveanything that you'd like to
discuss, but other than that youcan take us out with.
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Make it a great day, and MerryChristmas.
uh-huh now yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on, come on,
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welcome, welcome welcome toanother exciting episode of the
biblical leadership show.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Now let's do it right .
Welcome, welcome welcomechristmas eve, dr p.
How are you doing?
Good tim, how you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
brother, oh brother, I'm doing great, doing great,
doing great christmas evechristmas eve.
Yes, I know it's exciting, soright now we're probably uh,
hanging out with the family,probably gonna do a christmas
eve dinner, so we're we'rerecording this a couple days
early so we are just you know inall fairness yeah, so, uh, so
(01:23):
we're hanging out with some somethings, because we always have
the family over for ChristmasEve and then we do Christmas Day
Christmas at our house.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
So I know a lot of people do the Christmas.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Eve thing, but we're Christmas morning and so we're
pretty excited, so I'll behanging out with the family by
right now.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, so our daughter and her boyfriend are coming in
from Maryland today, christmasEve, so we're excited about that
.
And then our son and his familyis coming out from California
in a couple of days, and sowe'll all be together for, you
know, maybe two or three days,and then our daughter and her
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boyfriend have to go back toMaryland, and then our son and
his family will stay on for acouple more days, and so we have
about a week of family in.
You know, christmas Day noteverybody will be there, so
don't actually know when we'llhave Christmas meal.
You know we'll have something,and so it'll be good.
(02:23):
It'll be really, really good.
That's awesome.
It's always good to havesomething Right, and so it'll be
good.
It'll be really, really good,that's awesome.
It's always good to have timewith family.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
You know family it makes it.
You know, and you see a lot ofpeople that you haven't seen for
a while.
You know because you gettogether a couple times a year
and, yeah, it's nice to havethat time to spend with them,
and you know and it's just sucha special time of the year.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
It really is, and you know, but for some people this
is not a good time you knowthey're lonely or they just lost
a spouse or a significant otherand it's a sad time and you
know most people have beenthrough that at least once in
their life and it's not a goodthing.
(03:04):
So my encouragement is if youare by yourself on this
Christmas Eve, look up online,go to a church service that has
a Christmas Eve service.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
It could be six o'clock, it could be a midnight
mass.
Whatever it is, go and bearound some other people and
just celebrate the birth ofChrist with other people.
You might not know them, itmight be hard for you, but just
think about walking in andthinking how can I bless someone
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else this Christmas Eve andshow up early.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I always tell people show up early because that's
when the talking, the getting toknow the people around you and
that's show up early.
I always tell people show upearly because that's when the
the talking, the getting to knowthe people around you.
You know, and that's that's sucha benefit.
You know a lot of people don'tunderstand that showing up early
you get to know a few peoplearound you and it that's that's
always a good thing, you know,especially on Christmas.
And and do the.
My wife lost her mom this year.
(04:03):
I lost my dad right afterChristmas last year, so it's
always that time that you don'thave your loved ones with you,
so it's going to be an awkwardtime.
It's different, Different yeah,I guess that's the key word, but
it's one of those things thatyou cherish every day.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
You do cherish every day, because every breath that
we breathe is a gift from God.
Every day we live is a gift,and so this is a time of year to
really celebrate that gift,with the birth of Christ that we
celebrate tomorrow.
And so just figure out, how canyou celebrate that?
You know, I had a—my very firstchurch.
(04:43):
I had a secretary by the nameof Dorothy.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Dorothy.
Dorothy, was she from Kansas?
Yes, she was.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
She was an operating room nurse and she came to the
church on Thursday afternoon toprint off the bulletin.
That was her.
She did it as a volunteer, okay, a volunteer Okay.
(05:11):
But one thing amazing aboutDorothy is she was single and so
she worked every holiday.
I mean, she worked Thanksgiving, she worked Christmas, just so
that the people who had familiescould be with their families on
the day.
So what a gift that was forpeople, and so maybe this
Christmas, the question would bewhat gift can I give to be a
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blessing to someone else?
I might be by myself, but whatcan I do to be a blessing to
someone else this Christmas Eveor this Christmas?
What can I do?
And if you're listening to usand you think you know I haven't
really thought about that, andif you're listening to us and
(05:53):
you think you know I haven'treally thought about that, well,
maybe you can look for somefood shelf, somebody that's
serving meals tomorrow, or whatcan you do to help someone and
be a blessing to someone on thisChristmas holiday, and you will
get more out of that than yourealize, and it might be tough
to do that.
You will get more out of thatthan you realize and it might be
tough to do that.
But I encourage people to stepout and do something like that
just to make someone else'sChristmas just a little bit
happier.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah 100%.
Yeah, so we're doing ourChristmas Eve show and I guess
this is sort of a point where wetalk about what we're talking
about today, but then we havesome exclamation about why we're
doing sort of what we're doing,right.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Right, does that sort of sound very generic and
everything.
That's a good setup for you,right?
That's right.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
yeah, talk about what we're going to talk about, but
don't talk about what we'retalking about.
No, because a lot of peopledon't understand.
I'm just going to turn it it.
Yeah, just let me just say it,Because we talked about this in
show prep.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, so we as if you've been following the show.
If you have not, if this isyour first time to listen to us,
we say welcome.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Welcome To the biblical leadership.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
And so for the last couple months we've been going
through books of the Bible andtalking about leadership
principles in every book.
Well, we're going to continueto do that all the way through
next August, but starting todaywe are not—we're working on the
Old Testament.
Last week we finished up theSong of Solomon, but from now to
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the end of the Old Testamentwe're not going to go in the
order that is printed in theBible.
Okay, so we are trying to matcha like two books together that
we can talk about.
They might have some of thesame themes or something like
that.
So today we're going to talkabout Joel and Obadiah and we'll
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get to all the books, but it'snot going to be in the order,
just because we feel it's betterfor our program planning to do
it this way.
And so just stick with us.
We'll eventually get to all thebooks in the Old Testament and
then we'll start in the NewTestament sometime in the spring
summer and we'll go through allthose books, and so we'll still
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finish the end of August nextyear.
And so today we're going to talkabout Joel and Obadiah.
They're small books.
I mean, obadiah is the shortestbook in the Old Testament.
It just has one chapter andJoel.
Very important book we readabout that.
It's quoted in the book of Acts, chapter 2, on the day of
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Pentecost.
So it's got some very important, significant history and
implications, I believe, for ourlives.
But instead of jumping rightinto the biblical story we need
to have some type of dad joke.
It is Christmas Eve, right?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Are you waking me up?
You're waking me up.
So yeah, so he's.
Yeah, I'm ready for some dadjokes.
Yeah, you know, we gotta havethe Christmas.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I mean, christmas is like one time a year, so we
can't do Christmas jokes.
Next week.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I know that's just not appropriate.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yes and we didn't do them last week.
That was our anniversary week,right.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
That was yeah, right, and so we're just—.
Didn't want to make Mama mad,you know, by doing jokes about
anniversary, no, no no, no,never, never, never.
But we are going to have somefun today.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yeah, so here's the first one what do you call Santa
when he stops moving?
I think this is awesome.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
When he stops moving.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah, what do you call Santa when he stops moving?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Santa Paws, where's the?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
button.
Yeah, that's a bad one.
They're only going to get worse.
I'm just saying you know, myfavorite one when we did show
prep was what do you call an elfwho sings A rapper?
My kids are going to love thatone.
They're going to love that one,I guarantee.
Especially, wrapping presents,right?
(09:42):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (09:42):
wrapping presents.
Oh, it was so funny the otherday.
You know this whole thing aboutthe elf on the shelf.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Okay, diane and I were driving I don't remember
where it was, but we're drivingand this car on the right is
pulling us and is passing us onthe right-hand side, and it was
a car that had an actual trunk.
So many now FUVs don't actuallyhave a trunk.
This car had a trunk and out ofthe trunk were two elf legs.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
It's not an elf on the shelf, it's an elf in the
trunk.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
An elf in the trunk right.
Oh, my goodness, that's the wayit is.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Oh my goodness, when are you?
Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
All right, give us one more and we'll talk why does
Santa always land on the roof?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
He's a lot easier going in the front door Because
he likes to be on top of theworld.
That's another bad one.
I can't reach the buttons.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I need to have an extra stender to reach the
buttons.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Let's see no don't do that one Not that button.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Oh, don't do that one .
Yeah, not that button.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Oh, I like this one.
What do you get when you crossa snowman and a dog?
I think this one's fun.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I don't know, what do you get when you cross a
snowman?
You get frostbite.
That's bad.
What button is that one?
I don't know.
All right, that's great.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Are we done with dad jokes?
Well, for now.
For now, let's give them whatthey're here for.
Let's talk about the Bible forat least a minute.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah, I mean it is a great time we should have
actually read Christmas storiesand stuff, but maybe we'll think
about that one.
But let's start with what, joel?
Is that what we're going to?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
start with.
Well, we could do that, butlet's just say what would be
your favorite Christmastradition, either from your
history, from your growing up,or now.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Boy, that's a great question.
You know it was always aboutfamily and I know this is going
to sound so crazy, but God blessmy grandma because she's the
one that did it.
Our favorite and growing up, iswe always would play Pocino
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it's like a poker like thing orwe would play straight-up poker.
My grandma wanted to play pokerOn Christmas.
On Christmas and we alwayswould play poker.
We'd get the cards out, dealthem.
We'd always bring our nickels,dimes and quarters and we would
play poker.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
With grandma.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
With grandma, my dad, my grandma, my sister, all the
family, aunts and uncles.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Like around the kitchen table.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yes, we would have it and that was our thing for
christmas, that was the thingthat it was just so fun.
And, uh, she's the one taughtme how to play poker right, I
just she loved it.
I let a whole family, we justwe had so much fun.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
how did this like take all day, or is this after
lunch, a couple hours afterdinner, later on the night and
stuff and my dad was a pokerplayer, so he was teaching me a
lot and it was just.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
It was our family tradition for years and years
and years that's what we woulddo is play poker.
So I don't know, maybe I needto fire up some of the poker
when we're doing this tonight.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Teach your son and daughter right, yeah, exactly
right.
So is that where you learnedyour poker face?
Yeah, that's where I learned mypoker face from grandma.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Grandma had a good poker face right.
So you didn't mess with grandma.
So, and she had no quorum, shewouldn't give you your money
back.
She goes no, I won this fairand square.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I won those three.
She taught Lesson.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
No, your $100 is coming with me.
You can win it back nextChristmas.
And yeah, but how about you?
What are some favoritetraditions?
I'm assuming it wasn't poker.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
It wasn't poker, I think I shared this last year.
But one of my favoritetraditions of our family and
we've done this for years andyears is to do our stocking hunt
.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Oh yeah, that's right .
Speaker 1 (13:46):
We have this thing where it's like a scavenger hunt
with your stocking, and so wewrite a letter from Santa to the
person and then each, like theletter, has clue number one, and
it's something either in thehouse or in the yard or
something.
And the older you are, theharder the clue is, and so
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there's always.
We have probably 20 nativitysets in our house, so there's
always a clue the reason for theseason, I mean, that's always
one of the clues.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Okay, but there could be.
It could be like something inthe pantry it could be.
One of my favorite ones was Idon't remember the clue, but I
remember what I did with it.
I wrote it and then I froze itin an ice cube.
Okay, so I think it was our sonhad to get the ice cube, find
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the ice cube in the ice tray inthe freezer, unthaw the ice cube
and then read the clue okay,that's hilarious.
Yes, and so, okay, this hasreally happened.
So years ago, you know, andbecause our kids get into this
and now we have grandkids and sothey get into it too, okay, so
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years ago there was a song andit was very popular in the 70s
called Dead Skunk in the Middleof the Road.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
okay, that was the name of the song okay, Nice.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
So I used to sing that just kind of as a joke.
Well, our son got a copy ofthat song and put it in the CD
player, okay.
So the clue was just the arrow,just the diamond shape for the
press the button.
That was the clue.
And I'm thinking what in theworld is that, you know?
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And I finally figured it out.
Oh, that's the play button onthe CD player.
So I played it and the song wasqueued up for the dead skunk in
the middle of the road.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
So my clue was duct taped to the middle of the road,
out in the street in front ofthe house.
There we go.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
I just had to check it out, right, that's hilarious.
I've never heard this song.
Oh, it's's a great song I'm notplaying the whole thing.
I'm gonna have to listen tothat middle of that one.
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My kids will probably love thatone.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
So, anyway, that was so our.
And the other day there was anAmazon delivery and I went out
there.
This was over the weekend andit was pouring down rain and it
reminded me one year.
One of the clues was somethingin the mailbox.
I don't remember what the cluewas, but the clue.
The next clue was in themailbox, and it was pouring down
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rain on Christmas Day and ourson, good sport that he is, went
out there with an umbrella, gotsoaking wet, got the clue out
of the mailbox.
So normally, with the adults inthe family, there are six clues
and the last clue leads you toyour stocking.
Okay, and so that's kind ofwhat we do, and it literally
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with all the kids and the adults.
It literally takes us a wholeday or two days to do the
stocking hunt.
So that's a big part of ourtradition.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Nice.
What's the reward with thestocking?
You've got like a pair of socksin there.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
There's always an orange or an apple and some gum.
Now there might be a little,you know, like a stocking
stuffer too.
It could be something else,like a little game or something,
but the whole joy is thejourney.
Right Is the journey, and youknow, because Diana and I write
most of the clues for the kidsand the grandkids.
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The problem is our kids writethe clues for us.
So what's interesting is youknow the answer to the clue
because you've hit them.
You've hit all the clues andsometime they're on the
Christmas tree, on one of theornaments or something like that
, you know, and people could belooking right at the clue.
They could be looking right atit and they don't see it.
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And you're thinking why don'tthey see that?
Well then it's your turn andyou're looking right at the clue
and you don't see it either soit's just fun.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
I remember you telling us this and now that we
have a couple of days, I wasright up on a show last year.
I didn't have time to do this.
I might have to implement thisand see if I can do that.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, just start out with a couple of clues.
Your kids are smart, they'llfigure it out.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, no, they would love that.
I love scavenger hunt.
Well, you know, we didn't havethe skunk got run over you know
the.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Thing.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
But we always did, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Bye, reindeer, that was one of our favorites.
Was that after the poker game?
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah, sometimes we always break out a big dance
party at our Christmases.
It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
So what's your favorite Christmas food Like for
dinner?
What's your?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
favorite.
You know, I don't know, I knowthat you know.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
You have turkey ham duck.
What do you normally have?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
We usually have hams, a lot turkeys and stuff.
You know, it depends on what wedo on Thanksgiving.
Sort of influences what we doon.
You know, the Christmas thisyear again we're going to do
sort of a combination, I think,because we went out of town for
Thanksgiving.
So I'll probably do some of thetraditional stuff turkey and
hams but I think my wife'splanning on doing some of the
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Italian stuff too.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
So we're going to do sort of a combination.
And what time is dinner?
Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Come on over, Dr B.
Come on, come on, come on.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I'm just two more people.
No, you're welcome.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
You know you're welcome anytime in my house,
that's true, but yeah, it's oneof those things that I'm looking
forward to.
It's always a good time.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
That's always a good time, yeah, for sure, One of my
favorite foods.
We'll normally have ham, andthen my wife makes this amazing
dish called pineapple au gratin.
It's just it's impressive, likepineapple and cheese, and it's
just really, really good.
It goes with ham, and then wehave cold sweet potatoes.
Now, that sounds disgusting forsome people.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
It's really good.
It's really good.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
But enough of that for Christmas.
We've got to get to at leastthe Bible a little bit.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
We've got to talk a little bit about it.
Let's talk about this book.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Let's talk about Joel , Joel, right yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Joel, it's the shortest book in the Old
Testament.
No, that's Obadiah.
Oh, is it Obadiah?
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Joel is a couple of chapters long.
It is quoted in Acts, chapter 2.
Joel 2.28 is quoted on the dayof Pentecost, when the Holy
Spirit was poured out onto thedisciples.
It talks about that and one ofthe things that we can learn
from that.
It talks about young men andwomen see visions.
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Older men and women have dreams, and so here's the thing about
leadership from that verse.
Okay, Joel 2.28.
Don't discount someone becauseof their age.
Some of your great leadersmight be some of the youngest
people on your staff.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
You know, if you look back in business, a lot of our
very famous people didn't evenstart their leadership journey
until their 50s plus, right?
And it's interesting on some ofthe people you look at, right.
So don't discount that by nomeans.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, and so one of the things that I've learned in
my work as a pastor is someone'schronological age does not
necessarily represent theirspiritual maturity, right, right
.
Same is true with theirleadership skill.
Someone's chronological agedoesn't necessarily tell you
their leadership ability ortheir leadership desire.
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Tell you their leadershipability or their leadership
desire.
Some of your younger staffmembers employees, co-workers,
whatever might have some greatleadership potential, and so I
think, as a leader, our job isto nurture that, discover that
they might not be great atcasting vision, but you know
what they're great at leadingthat team, to do the research
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for that.
And so I'm going to put them incharge of that team and see how
they do.
And so part of the leader's jobis to think, okay, where are my
leaders going to come from?
And sometimes we make themistake of overlooking some of
our young staff members or youngemployees, and I think that's a
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mistake.
And part of the job, I think,is to nurture those young people
on our staff.
They might not be young in age,they just might be young to the
organization.
They might only been there oneor two years, but they just got
out of the military afterserving 20 years and they were
in charge of their unit orwhatever.
They have great leadershippotential, but they haven't been
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with us very long.
You know, it's like hmm, thatmight be a really good person to
get you know to do this, and soI think we can learn that from
Joel here, chapter 2, verse 28.
It's a great leadershipprinciple.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah, I mean that's what you're trying to do.
Is you're trying to inspireothers to you know?
Yeah, I mean that's what you'retrying to do.
Is you're trying to inspireothers to you know, dream big,
to you know, to look to abrighter future, you know, and
that's, I think that's what thatverse means to me as well.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah, and so another thing about Joel.
So if we read the book of Joel,it's not very long, you can
probably read it in, you know,about 10, 15 minutes.
It's important, like I saidlast time, to understand some of
the history behind it.
What's the purpose of the book?
He was a prophet, but one ofthe things he did is he focused
on the vision and he called hispeople to action.
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And so right now we're endingthe year.
The question is what are yougoing to do as a leader,
starting in January, to callyour people to action, to focus
on your vision, to focus on yourmission?
What are you going to do withyour words?
What are you going to do withyour motivation?
What are you going to do withyour incentives?
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What are you going to do tocall your people to action?
And is it going to be the sameaction that they've been doing
for the last 10 years andthey're just tired of it?
Or is there a new spin you'regoing to put in?
You know on that.
So that's just a good time toprocess that, if you haven't
already.
I don't think it's too late, youknow, because people are in the
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mindset of it's the holidayseason.
Maybe I can take a break andmaybe you're off.
Maybe you're off this week,next week, but you come back in
January and you're thinking,okay, we've got to really focus
on, we're going to make ourfirst quarter really really good
.
What are you going to do tomotivate your people and to call
them to action?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
And Joel was good at that.
He was calling the nation toaction, and so that's a great
lesson that we can learn fromthe book of Joel.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah, and that's one of those things I had noted on
mine Joel, 2-1, blow the trumpetin Zion, sound the alarm on my
holy hill.
It talks about you know,knowing when urgency is
necessary, right, Knowing whento light a fire under your team
to get it done.
You know, a lot of times atthis point in this time of the
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season it's actually toughbecause everybody starts
relaxing.
Or even the month of Decemberin general is tough for
corporations.
A lot, because everybody's like, oh, we'll just wait until the
next year, right, We'll kick itoff good at the beginning of the
year.
Well, I mean, you can kick offa new beginning.
You don't have to set NewYear's resolutions.
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New Year's resolutions can beset in June can be set in
December.
I mean, you don't have to waitto decide to get in shape on
January 1st, start December 1st,you know, and and it's always
this tough time there to figureout how to motivate people to
continue through the holidayseason.
You want them to have fun, youwant them to relax, you want to
enjoy the team.
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This is a lot of team buildingat this point you know of the
year, but at the same time, youstill have business, we still
have bills to pay, we still havethings that have to be
accomplished.
I'm still trying to getprojects done, you know, by the
end of the year, just becausewe'd like to get them wrapped up
beginning of the year, firstyear.
So we're set for our busy times, you know, coming up.
So correct.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
And so, in addition to that, to you know, call the
people to action and urgency andthose kind of things.
One of the things that Joe wasattempting to do in his writing
in his book was to unify thecommunity, unify the nation, and
so the question is, how are yougoing to unify your people
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around your mission, your vision?
We've talked about this a lotis the communication words,
emails, personal conversationswith people.
So many times now communicationis done only through email or
only through text.
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It's that maybe, as a leader,one of the things you can do to
begin to unify your team is tospend time individually with
each person you know, and itmight not be very long.
It might be 15 minutes once amonth, might be 15 minutes once
a week, you know.
Whatever it may be for you.
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But unifying the people aroundthat and seeing where people are
are they buying into that?
Do they understand what it iswe got to do this quarter are.
Are they buying into that?
Do they understand what it iswe got to do this quarter?
You know sales are down or oursupply chain is slow or whatever
is starting.
How can we unify our peoplearound our mission and purpose
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vision for this next year.
How can we?
do that, and I think part ofthat is just building
relationships from the verybeginning.
It might be a New Year'sresolution that you're going to
spend a certain amount of timewith the top 10 people of your
organization every month, or dotwo a week.
Spend 30 minutes with twopeople every week, and that will
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make huge dividends for thelong run.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Right, yeah, I mean you have to take time.
You know you have to.
Everybody knows their team.
You know whether you have twopeople working for you or 200,
you know, at some point you haveto develop a plan.
You got to execute your planover the course of the year and
prioritize.
If you have a plan, eventuallyyou're going to have a strong
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team.
But you can't just let it runitself.
You have to be an active leaderto be able to really make it
happen.
One more and then we'll getinto Obadiah.
I know you weren't going to getinto this, but I think it's
such a powerful thing when theytalk about the words.
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I will repay you for the years.
The locusts of Eden and wetalked about a little bit before
the show I just think that's astrong thing.
It's a strong statement, youknow.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
It's a strong statement that we read there in
the book and I've used it whenI've prayed for people.
I don't know if you can do thatin your organization or
whatever you're leading, butit's a powerful prayer of hope
and encouraging people to focuson what's coming instead of just
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what happened.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
We all go through difficult times and the question
is where's our focus in themidst of that?
Yeah, question is, where's ourfocus in the midst of that?
And it's a time to walk withsomebody during a difficult time
and just keep praying for themor encouraging them.
Maybe, if someone's goingthrough a difficult time on your
team, you need to spend alittle bit more time with them.
You know, they might just kindof be a loner right now.
Maybe they need some extraattention.
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And maybe you're not going topray for them out loud, but you
can pray for them silently.
And there in Joel 2.25, about Iwill repay you for the years of
locusts have eaten what a greatprayer for God's blessing in
their life.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, and I even thought about it from a
corporate standpoint.
You know, maybe you had a badyear.
You know a lot of peoplemorale's down, sales were bad.
You know we're coming off anelection year.
Election years are mostgenerally a lot of times flat.
Going into that because they'refor sure people don't like
change.
They don't know where theeconomy is going, where who's
going to be the next leader and,and you know this, this one
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sort of struck me as a verypowerful thing, not only for
personal but for maybe corporate, to see where you maybe go, and
I thought that was prettystrong.
So Obadiah, obadiah.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Shortest Now, shortest, shortest book in the
Old Testament.
Now I got my notes in the rightspot.
Yeah, shortest book in the OldTestament.
And I'll just hit on one thing.
Obadiah wrote this.
We don't know exactly when itwas written, but we do know that
when it was written, it was thepeople of Israel, the Jewish
people, were suffering greatlyat the hands of their enemies.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
I got the date.
It was written.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Do you need that?
Yeah, just throw it out.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
All right, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
I don't want to brag and so it was a difficult time
for the country, yeah, andObadiah was encouraging people
to be faithful even in the midstof a difficult time.
So maybe you know year 2024 wasnot great for you, right, and
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you know you're going intobecause you had a slump in sales
or you lost some key people oryou had to downsize or something
.
I think the leader's job not tobe Pollyannish about it, but
you want to manage and leadfaithfully under extreme
conditions, and that's whatObadiah was trying to do is
trying to cast a vision and givepeople a positive outlook.
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In the very uncomfortable,difficult circumstances.
He was saying, no, there'sstill hope, there's still.
You know, we've got a future.
We just have to focus on theright thing.
And for him that was God, andfor you it's like okay, what are
you going to focus on this yearif this last year was not as
great as you wanted it to be?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, and the one that stood out to me was Obadiah
1-12.
It says you should not gloatover your brother in the day of
his misfortune, and one of thosethings it talks about.
You know, words of mockery orsomebody's hardship shows a lack
of compassion or integrity, andI think that's a big time thing
.
Lesson on leadership you knowwhether it's your competitor.
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You know whether it's somebodythat works for you.
You know wherever it is.
You know don't don't talk badabout something.
You know.
And because you know we'vewe've all been through things.
Every person has been inbusiness, has had ups and downs.
I don't care if you're talkingabout Apple and all the.
We all have ups and downs andwe've all had that.
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And be compassionate and havethat integrity, just to be
positive, as you just said.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Speak in that positive tone.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah, so we're going to finish up.
Yeah, so we're going to finishup.
This is number three of thingsthat we started two weeks ago
about this magazine article thatI read from Forbes magazine in
June of this year, and so thisis a list of what leaders want
from the people they lead.
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Two weeks ago, we talked aboutaccountability for your mistakes
.
Last week, we talked aboutbeing proactive in your
follow-up.
Today, we want to talk aboutthe ability to receive
constructive feedback.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
And some people say constructive criticism.
But the PC term now isconstructive feedback and it's
important you have to give it,so many people want different
results out of their employees,but they aren't willing to give
honest feedback to make thembetter.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yeah, and so the question is if you have an
evaluation and you havesomething that might not be as
positive, are you receiving thatwith bitterness?
Are you receiving that as?
Do you have time to talk aboutit?
Okay, what do you see me doingbetter?
How can I improve this area ofyour life?
It might not be right then, butmaybe in the next week or two
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weeks, you can set up a timewith the person that evaluated
you.
Now here's the thing aboutgiving evaluations when you give
an evaluation, the people thatyou are evaluating should know
exactly how they're beingevaluated.
There should not be anysurprises as to oh, I didn't
know I was being evaluated bythat.
On that, okay, they should knowwell in advance.
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And when I did evaluations, Iwould have people fill out an
evaluation of themselves and Iwould fill out one, and then
we'd talk about them together.
That's how I did it.
So, however you do evaluations,it's important to give
constructive feedback, becauseyou want your people to be the
best they can be.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah 100%.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Well, I think that's good for a Christmas show.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
It is.
We've got to have a couple moredad jokes.
We do.
And I've got one, that I thinkyeah, I've got one, dad jokes we
do and I've got, I've got onethat I think, yeah, I've got one
.
Well, I've got a couple, but Ihave one that I really like okay
, which one is that?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
why was the snowman looking through the carrots?
Oh no yes, I don't even want toknow, oh yeah what why?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
he was picking his nose, he was your kids are going
to love that one too right, nooh.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
What else you got?
You got any good ones.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, what do you call a cat on Christmas?
Speaker 2 (35:38):
A cat?
Oh, we had the dog one earlierit was frostbite.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
What do you call a cat on Christmas?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
I don't know what do we call a cat Santa?
Claus, yeah, no, no, no.
I'm sorry, I was going to giveyou the rim shot on that one.
I like this one even better.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
What do you call an obnoxious reindeer?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I know this one and I like it too, I like it.
Go ahead, rude off, rude off.
R-u-d-e.
Yeah, rudolph, rudolph, r-u-d-e.
Yeah, rudolph, and you know,I'll let you.
You know, why did the gendermango to therapy?
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Tell me.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
He was feeling crummy .
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Oh, maybe we'll just end with that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I mean we do have, why the reindeer hang on their
Christmas trees?
The reindeer hang on theirchristmas trees what ornaments,
ornaments, oh no, no, yeah,that's got my buttons off.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah, really, hey, okay well yes hey, merry
christmas.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Christmas.
We do wish you a MerryChristmas, you know, and uh, uh,
you know, have a great one, youknow and tell them about next
week.
Oh, next week, next weekChristmas Eve.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
No, New Year's Eve.
I mean, yeah, hold on.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
New Year's Eve show.
Uh, we're going to have somefun, aren't we?
Speaker 1 (37:08):
We're going to have a lot of fun.
We're going to uh, maybe themost we're going to have some
fun, aren't we?
We're going to have a lot offun.
Maybe the most fun we're goingto have all week.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
At least in the studio.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Yeah, depending on what you do for New Year's.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
We're going to do a little fun show.
We're going to have a lot ofdad jokes.
We're going to have a lot ofstories.
Are we going to have a lot ofstories?
Are we going to talk a lot ofthe Bible?
I don't know that we will.
I don't know if we're going todo Bible stuff we don't but
we're going to have some fun.
We're going to have a lot ofgood dad jokes.
We need your dad jokes.
We will be back in studio andwe're going to be recording, so
(37:41):
send us your dad jokes.
Yes please, Because we need itfor our New Year's Eve show.
I mean we're going to have somefun there.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Send us more than one .
Yes, send us more than one, andif you think they're bad,
that's the ones we want.
That's the ones we want.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
I mean we want the groaners.
You know those are the goodones for us.
But yeah, we're going to have afun show.
You know if you want to listento a fun and have that and uh
yeah that's what it is.
Come hang out with us NewYear's Eve.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yes, all right.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
So, uh, anyway, all that is being said, merry
Christmas.
Dr Posey you know, to you andyour family, and we wish
everybody out there listening.
We thank you for beinglisteners and uh we uh want to
wish you the best.
Uh reach out to us if you haveanything that you'd like to
discuss, but other than that youcan take us out with.
(38:34):
Make it a great day, and MerryChristmas.
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