August 5, 2025 • 37 mins
What transforms an employee from someone who simply collects a paycheck into a passionate advocate for your company's mission? Drawing wisdom from the Gospel of Luke, this episode uncovers the powerful parallel between biblical discipleship and effective leadership in today's organizations.
We explore how leaders can foster true engagement by genuinely caring for their team members and connecting them to a larger purpose. Through examining Jesus' interactions—from his persistent widow parable to his graceful confrontation with Zacchaeus—we extract principles for leading through challenges while maintaining balance, addressing problems without criticizing people, and practicing the kind of humility that C.S. Lewis described as "thinking of yourself less."
Perhaps most compelling is the discussion of how leaders must offer hope, even in difficult circumstances. Just as Jesus provided hope in his final moments on the cross, great leaders paint a vision of the future that motivates their teams through challenges. We break down how different team members find hope in different things—whether financial security, work-life balance, or meaningful contribution—and why knowing your people is essential to offering the specific kind of hope that resonates with each individual.
These leadership principles create workplaces where people become champions of the mission rather than just collecting a paycheck. Whether you're building a startup, managing a team, or simply want to grow as a leader, this episode provides practical wisdom for transformation that benefits both organizations and the people within them.
How do you move your team members from being recipients to advocates? Share your experiences or questions with us and join us next week as we continue our exploration of leadership wisdom from Luke's Gospel!
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
uh-huh now, yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on, come on,
alrighty welcome, welcome,welcome, hey Tim.
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Oh my gosh gotta be done.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yeah, you gotta do it , Gotta do it how you doing.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Dr Pete.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I'm doing good, Tim, how you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
man, oh man, surviving hanging in there, just
glad to be back in town.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yes, you know that's my fun stuff.
I mean, we're in August.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I know it's crazy August.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Already August.
This is unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yes, it really is insane.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
actually.
It's like wait a minute whenyou think about it.
What happened to July?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I know Where'd Insane .
It's like wait a minute whenyou think about it.
What happened to July?
I know?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Where did summer go right?
It was like a blink.
Yeah, and your kids startschool next week.
I do.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
That's amazing right.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah, it's good and bad.
I mean I miss the kids.
I love hanging out with my kids, you know.
Same time, you know it's niceto be able to get back onto a
little bit of a routine as well.
So that's good for work and,you know, making money and
everything as well.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, we just got back from Houston on Sunday and
we were down there.
Our son and his family were inthe area and visiting our
daughter-in-law's family, so wejust thought we'd go down there.
Just bebop down.
Well, yeah, so I think we brokea world record.
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Yes, on, I think it wasThursday, we got there Wednesday
.
They got there Wednesday.
We rented an Airbnb in Conroe,a nice little town.
Yes, and we, I think, mighthave broken a world record for
going to Chick-fil-A the mosttimes in one day.
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we were there three times in oneday the grandkids had no
problem with going toChick-fil-A three times.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Just spoil them.
That's what grandparents do,right?
Yes, exactly you know.
We're going to Chick-fil-Athree times.
Just spoil them.
That's what grandparents do,right?
Yes, exactly you know.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Spoil them, give them back to their parents.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I understand the way it works.
I was thinking you were goingto say maybe a world record that
you weren't in traffic inHouston.
But I mean you know,Chick-fil-A works as well.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
We only went down as far as the woodlands.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah well, there's still a good little traffic
around the woodland, so it'sgetting crazy down in that area
as well.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
It was good.
It was really really good.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Wonderful.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
So back here and back in the studio.
It was good.
I was thinking about getting apart-time job, though.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I've been retired now gosh two years, two and a half
years.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
That's crazy, it's been that long, hasn't it?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, it's been crazy , but we've been traveling a lot
and seeing family and stufflike that.
But I applied for a job.
It's very part-time, it's for ablanket company.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
A blanket company.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, they said I would be an undercover agent.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Oh boy, I was like this boy is not getting a job.
I know that, so I know wherewe're going with this early on.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, we got to get into dad jokes, come on.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
We do.
We do got to get into dad jokes, but yeah, it's, you know, if
you're a first-time listener orwhatever.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Thank you, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
We do pick up listeners every week, we do.
But you know we talk biblical,a lot about the biblical.
Dr Pierre has been around inthe ministry for, let's say,
more than two years.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, a little over two years.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, a little over two years, maybe 42 years, and I
teach a lot of leadership inthe world and some other things
With business and home buildingand stuff, corporate training
and all that stuff.
And then we throw a lot of dadjokes in and people ask us why
do we do dad jokes?
Because we can.
I think was always our answerright.
Just because when we startedthis, we started on this journey
(04:21):
, we decided we're going to makeit fun and have fun, and for
both of us to have fun it's dadjokes isn't it?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Exactly right?
Exactly right.
So you got to laugh in theworld, right?
You know?
I saw an ad.
You know, with summer coming toan end, a lot of companies are
trying to gear up for fall, andone of the airplane companies I
won't say which one, that wouldbe unfair they were advertising
extremely low rates for flyinganywhere in the continental
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United States, and so theyadvertised an airplane with no
decorations or branding on theplane.
And you know what they calledit An air plane.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I'm reaching for the button there.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
All right, I'm surprised you didn't the gong
button.
I forgot about that, I got toput that on.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I'm going to.
As soon as we get done with theshow, I'm going to go write
that down.
I got to install a gong.
That would make me so happy onthe gong.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I love the gong show man.
That was so funny.
That was such a good show.
Oh, is that the one with thebig hook?
Did they have the big hook?
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, the big hook, it was the gong the big hook, I
do believe, and they'd alwayswrestle people trying to gong
and you know, no, don't do it,don't do it and all that stuff.
So yeah, that's great, youstart calling people.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Well, I do, but I'll wait.
Oh, you're going to wait.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
So we've been doing this marathon on Luke, Is that
correct?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Oh my goodness, yeah my favorite book, favorite book.
That's why we're doing amarathon right.
Yeah, I think we're now inchapter one, verse 30.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
This is our fourth one on Luke, but we're there.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
We're there.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
We're going to get through it next year, you know,
and all this stuff.
Yeah, if you're just joining us, it's the first time.
So we're doing a year-long GoBack and, luke, we started with
the Old Testament and we'redoing a year-long every book.
And it's been a good journey.
(06:25):
It's been a good journey for me.
I've enjoyed it and, I think, alot of the listeners, the
feedback we're getting and theemails, tech messages.
It's been great.
But yeah, we're going to finishup Luke today and then continue
on next week.
Well, I mean, our hope is tofinish up Luke today.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I think we can do it.
I think we could.
Yeah, 18 to 24, is that right?
Speaker 1 (06:47):
18 to 24, yeah, so I think we should be able to pull
it off today.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Well, there's a really I mean this part of Luke,
the last part of Luke, andyou've got to remember who Luke
was.
He was a physician that theApostle Paul met on one of his
missionary journeys, and thenLuke became a follower and a
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disciple of Paul.
So he was not Jewish by birth,but he was not also in Israel,
so he had never personally metJesus.
So everything he wrote had tobe something that he heard from
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somebody.
Tradition has it that hevisited Jerusalem and that he
talked to Jesus' mother Mary.
So that's where he got a lot ofthe birth narrative from in
chapters 1 and 2.
And then we see, starting withthe last part, where we are
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today, chapter 18, we go intothe last really week of Jesus'
life, with the holy week goinginto Jerusalem on a donkey and
the crucifixion and resurrection.
But the last chapter of LukeLuke 24, we'll get to in just a
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few minutes, I think has one ofthe most powerful leadership
principles in the entire Bibleand we'll get to that in just a
few minutes, I think has one ofthe most powerful leadership
principles in the entire Bibleand we'll get to that in just a
moment.
So we'll just get to, you know,chapter 18.
And so I had a quote becausethis applies to Luke, because he
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wasn't a Christian.
He met Paul, he became aChristian, and so I think this
is what applies to Luke, and Ithink God's desire would be it
should apply to everybody, if weallow it, and this is it.
A disciple is someone who hasmoved from being a recipient of
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the church's mission to beingresponsible for the church's
mission.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Oh, that's nice.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, and so that explains Luke.
Okay.
I mean not only Luke, but it'sa synopsis of Luke.
So he received the good news ofChrist.
He accepted that.
The good news of Christ.
He accepted that, and then hepersonally, over time, became
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responsible for spreading that,and so he wrote the book of Luke
.
He wrote the book of Acts.
We'll get to Acts here maybe inthree or four months after we
get through the gospel of Johnwhich is phenomenal in itself,
but I think that's so.
Let's just think.
Just take that one statementfor leadership.
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Okay, so you hire an individual.
It could be your first hire, itcould be your hundredth hire,
it could be your thousandth hire.
You don't want them to just be.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Say that three times.
Yeah, three times.
Nice, you don't?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
want.
Let's just say, a new employeeis named Betty.
You don't want Betty to just bea recipient of the benefits of
the employment.
You want her to be responsiblefor spreading the vision of the
company.
And so the question is a goodleader knows how to do that.
They know how to take a personin.
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They know how to bring themalong, mentor them, do whatever
they can so that that person isone of the biggest advocates for
the company that you have.
And that would be true for anyemployee.
You want every employee to bean advocate for the company, not
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just an employee, not justthere to get a paycheck, not
just there to punch the timeclock and then go back home.
You want them to become anadvocate for the mission.
And so the question is how doyou do that as a leader?
That's a really good question.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, and in my world , I mean, we call that employee
engagement, right.
We're looking for that personto be employee engaged and to be
able to be an advocate for thecompany.
Where the recruiter calls youand says, I'm going to offer you
$2 more an hour, you know, mostof the time they'll jump ship,
you know, and you don't wantthat.
What you want is somebodythat's engaged that says no.
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I mean, why would I ever leavethe best company in the world,
right?
Matter of fact, you need tosend me all your people and
start, you know, sending me so Ican get them a job here because
this is by far the best company.
So that's what you want.
You want that buy-in, and thatcomes straight from the
leadership.
It comes straight, you know,from from the principles.
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It comes from how you've set upthe, the corporate feel,
everything there.
There's so many things that areinvolved in that employee
engagement.
But, but you got to make thatperson loyal.
You know a lot of the things.
You know it used to be back inthe day that everybody was loyal
to the company.
Now it's literally it's J-O-Band a paycheck, right, and you
got to figure out how to goabove and beyond that.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
How to be loyal to the pay more than the paycheck
right, yeah, exactly.
And I would say one of thereasons and I learned this years
ago from John Maxwell, who's anincredible leader and teacher.
He said this that people don'treally care how much you know
until they know how much youcare.
And so by just caring for yourpeople, whatever that means, it
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could mean that, like during thesummer, okay, during the summer
we're going to get off at noonon Friday just because I want
you to have a great weekend.
I want you to come backrefreshed.
I don't want you to come backexhausted.
Now, while you're here, those36 hours, you're going to work
hard, but everyone's going toget off.
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On Friday Comes Labor Day.
We're going back to our normalschedule.
So the question is how do youshow the people that you care?
And that's not true.
It's not like one thing acrossthe board.
You need to know your peopleand know what makes them tick,
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and if you figure that out,you're going to have some very
loyal followers.
They're not just followers toyou and loyal to you, they're
going to be advocates for themission.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
And I think that's really what good leaders are all
about.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Well, Dr Posey, I care for you.
So we're going to cut this at13 minutes, with no dad jokes,
because we care for the peopleas well.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
We appreciate it.
We'll see you next week.
Bye-bye, okay, now that we'reon dad jokes.
We're on dad jokes, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
So, my wife and I, we were just thinking the other
day before we left for Houston.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I know your wife was doing most of the thinking for
you.
Yeah, that's the truth.
Like 99%.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
And so we had not seen the movie Wicked.
Okay, we hadn't seen it and sowe said, well, let's watch it.
So we're watching the Wickedand I'm thinking to myself the
whole time why didn't the actorwho played the Tin man want to
be in the movie?
And I feel I guess he was justa little rusty.
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That's not true.
You need the gong.
You need the gong.
No, it was all right, a littlerusty.
You need the gong, you need thegong.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
It was all right.
It was all right.
For a brief moment, I thoughtyou were going to say John Wick.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I'm like what Wicked?
Yes, yes, I remember WickedWicked yeah, I thought they did
really good on that remake, verycreative storyline.
I thought it was.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I thought it did really good.
That remake Very creativestoryline I thought it was.
I thought it did really good.
I was a little apprehensivetaking my daughter and kids and
everything, but I think they didgood.
I think they made it where itflowed good, had a good story to
it.
I'm excited to see the secondone, that they come out.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, I don't know when their release date is.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
on that but, I've heard it's in the making and
should be, sometime this year,so yeah, good, I thought they
played with that one yeah theydid.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
I think so, I think so.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
All right, so, mr Luke, here, yeah, I guess we
should talk a little bit aboutLuke.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I think we should.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I mean we can do 19 and then call it good until next
week.
You know it's summer, we'recoming wrapping down at the end
of the summer here, but so yeah.
So Luke 18, you know you talkabout that, and tell me where we
want to go.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Okay, so here we have the very beginning of Luke 18.
We see a parable about it'scalled the parable of the
persistent widow, parable aboutit's called the parable of the
persistent widow, and so shekept coming to this person and
coming, coming, coming.
And so the question, really oneof the lessons, is how
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persistent are we in our faith?
That's really the message that.
Jesus is trying to get across.
Do we allow things that happenin life and just things happen
in life.
Some things happen because ofdecisions we make, some that
just happens.
And are we going to allowthings that happen in life to
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disrupt our faith journey, thatwe just give up?
And this parable?
Jesus said no, you need to bepersistent in your faith.
Faith is a journey andsometimes it's a difficult
journey because of challengingthings, sad things that happen
in life.
Are we gonna allow that todisrupt our faith?
And so let's think aboutleadership.
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There's gonna be downtimes Inevery company.
It could be because of marketconditions, supply chain things.
It could be personnel you'relow on personnel.
It could be whatever it couldbe and the question is are we
persistently pursuing themission?
And that's really the leader'sjob to make sure that we're
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still focused on the mission.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah, and that's one of the things I put lead with
persistence, not pressure.
That's one of the things I cantake out of Luke 18.
You know, how do you, how doyou do that?
Stay humble, you know, even if,even when you're right, you
know, and and it it has, it'shad some good.
You know it has some goodmeaning, you know, especially
when you get into, you know, youknow how many times have
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leaders, entrepreneurs and Icould speak to hundreds that
I've dealt with you know thecrowd tries to silence you.
Your family tries to silenceyou.
You know, and a lot of thepeople have persevered, right,
they've had persistence, theyhad that mission, you know,
ultimately in their head andthey strove, they strived to
make that happen.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yes, and so even in down times, you still focus on
the mission.
Now, sometimes, when we focuson the mission, we become a
slave to our job, and I don'tthink that's really good
leadership, you know, putting in24 hours a day or 20 hours a
day, seven days a weekeventually you're going to just
burn out and you're not settinga good example for your people.
And so you've got to keep abalance, and I haven't always
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been good at setting thatexample.
Sometimes it's just there's alot to do at work.
No matter what job it is,there's just a lot to do, and
it's a constant challenge tokeep a balance in life.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, this summer as much as I'm in travel.
It's a balanced opposite way ofactually working.
Yes, it's been a crazy summeror something.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
It's been a crazy summer or something.
So after that parable, then wehave a parable about a person
that you know, a tax collectorand a Pharisee, and the whole
issue is you got to remainhumble.
You know, humility is just akey issue of a good leader,
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issue of a good leader, and Iran across this quote the other
day from let me just pull thatup because I thought it was
really really good and it saidthis is from CS Lewis, who's a
very famous author True humilityis not thinking less of
yourself, it's thinking ofyourself less.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah, and so the question is if you think of
yourself less, then hopefullyyou're thinking of your
employees more.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Right yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
So that's just a great thing.
I'm going to repeat that.
That's just a great thing.
I'm going to repeat that Truehumility is not thinking less of
yourself, it's thinking ofyourself less.
And that's from CS Lewis.
So that's one of the lessonsJesus is trying to teach here in
Luke 18.
And I think it's a great lessonfor good leaders you think of
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yourself less.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Right yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
So I like it's a great lesson for good leaders
you think of yourself less Right.
Yeah, I like it.
Yeah, we like it.
So then we get on to just someother parables and we're getting
up to the point where Jesus isgetting to the last week of his
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life.
And then we come to maybe oneof the most famous Vacation
Bible School stories of alltimes in Luke 19, and that is
Jesus and Zacchaeus.
So if any of you went toVacation Bible School when you
were young, you probably learneda song about Zacchaeus and I
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won't sing it, believe me, comeon, let's sing it.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
No, let's sing it.
No, we're not going to sing it,but anyway, can you play a
guitar to it?
No, no.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
And so Zacchaeus was a tax collector and a very, very
rich person, which would benormal back then.
And Jesus was coming throughthe city of Jericho.
The Zacchaeus was asmall-statured man, a shorter
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person.
He wanted to see Jesus, and sohe climbs up in a tree.
And when Jesus comes by, helooks up in the tree and says,
hey, zacchaeus, come on down,I'm going to stay at your house
today.
So he invited himself over andZacchaeus just has this
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transformation.
And Zacchaeus, just has thistransformation, says, hey, if I
have defrauded anyone, I'm goingto restore it.
And so to me, the leadershiplessons is sometimes you have to
confront people but, he did itwith grace and that really
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changed.
Zacchaeus' life.
So I know sometimes it'sdifficult to confront people on
issues and some people have aneasier job of doing that than
others, because some leadersdon't like conflict.
But this is a good example ofhow to do it, because he was
addressing Zacchaeus but hewasn't criticizing the person,
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and so sometimes we get intoalmost to a—not a shouting match
, but it's just, we think, thinkwe got to confront somebody and
we go into it knowing it'sgoing to be a negative
experience.
And sometimes they are okay,sometimes Sometimes they are.
But my suggestion of having todo this unfortunately more times
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than I care to admit.
It's good to write things downand do a self-evaluation of the
person.
So if you have a regularevaluations, then if someone
comes in that you need todiscipline or correct or let go
or whatever, hopefully theydon't see everything as a
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surprise because they've knownthat you have not been satisfied
with what they're doing.
Now sometimes somebody justdoes something and you have to
confront them right then thatmight be a surprise.
But if it's a long-term issueand you have to correct them,
you can do that over time.
Maybe you have an action planfor 90 days or something like
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that, and they know if they areliving up to that or not living
up to that, then they know inahead of time the consequences
of their behavior.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yeah, one of the things I made a note on this one
is leaders confront what'sbroken, not just comfort what's
familiar.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Ooh, that's really good, and.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
I think that was a good statement.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, you know the only problem with that statement
.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
What's that?
I didn't think of it.
You didn't think of it, Iunderstand.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
No, that's really good.
Could you repeat that again?
Speaker 1 (24:25):
for our listeners.
That was really good.
Leaders, confront what's broken, not just comfort what's
familiar.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Ooh, I like that a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I really like that and why I was over here looking
down on my phone is.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
I was looking up the words of Zacchaeus.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Zacchaeus was a wee little man.
Uh-huh, a wee little man was heand he climbed up in a sycamore
tree for the Lord he wanted tosee.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
So I'll let our listeners sing it along, because
you don't want me to sing it,but that is I can't say every
Vacation Bible School years ago.
I don't know if they sing itnow, but that was like the
number one song of VBS fordecades.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
I can't wait to play it and listen to it to see if
the lyrics you know I wasreading, I was like did I do
that?
I bet you did.
I'm sure we probably did right,I bet you did.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Okay, and so we get to chapter 19, and at the end of
chapter 19, verse 28,.
We see, really it's Palm Sunday, so Jesus has the donkey, he's
going into the city of Jerusalemand that really sets the tone
for the last week of Jesus' life, right, and so we have the
Sunday.
He doesn't stay in Jerusalem,he goes to Bethany, but he's
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there Sunday, monday, tuesday wedon't have a record of what
happened on Wednesday but onThursday he has the Last Supper
with his disciples, then he'sarrested that evening and then
he's crucified on Friday.
Now I don't know how many ofour listeners have watched this
series, the Chosen.
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If you haven't watched that, Iencourage you don't start with
season five.
Okay, Because season fivebasically is this whole last
week.
It starts in Luke 19 and goesthrough almost the crux of it,
right when Jesus is arrested.
I would start in season one andjust because then you see the
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characters building, you see thestoryline building and it's
just exceptionally well done.
Season six, that's coming outsometime, hopefully, next year.
It's actually being filmed inItaly and it's going to be the
crucifixion.
Yeah, so that looks they've hadjust done a.
Dallas Jenkins has done aphenomenal job, and so has the
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cast and the crew and thesupporters, and it's just been a
phenomenal thing.
But I would encourage you atsome point to watch that because
it gives the backstory.
So many things are not writtenin the Bible.
It's like what happened duringthe day, what happened?
I mean, jesus didn't go in andteach one lesson and leave, so
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what else could have been goingon?
What was going through thedisciples' minds?
What was happening during theLast Supper?
What were they thinking?
I mean, there's just brilliantwriters doing that, and so I
encourage them to do that.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
So, yeah, yeah, it's awesome.
It's really really awesome.
Luckily for me, I think I'm atseason one, so it's good I won't
skip ahead.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Don't skip ahead yeah , but if you skip ahead you miss
so much of the characterdevelopment.
Yeah, and so we're going to gothrough this.
I'm just looking at the clock.
We just have a few minutes left.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
You know we got next week.
It's just the way it works withus.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
We could spend probably an entire podcast on
chapter 24.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
We could and we might , because I mean we're pushing
30 minutes now.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
So I mean yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
So I mean, you know, maybe maybe 20, I think we um,
and and so, anyway, I'll just gothrough.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
So we have.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
He wants dad jokes.
We have the arrest.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
we have the trial, we have the crucifixion, we have
the resurrection.
Now think about this Going backto what we said at the very
beginning of this podcast Jesus'crucifixion.
Luke was not present.
The other disciples werepresent.
Paul was not present.
Luke was not present.
The other disciples werepresent, paul was not present,
luke was not present.
So the account of thecrucifixion that we see here in
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the gospel of Luke actually hadto be told to him from somebody
else.
It could have been told fromPaul, but if that's true, it
could have been told from Paul.
But if that's true, paul had tohear it from somebody else.
And so the account and thedetails.
And Luke was a physician, so hewas very clear on the
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description of that, what thatmeant to the human body to do
that.
And so it was just amazing.
And the one thing that I thinkis incredible is in Luke 23,
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verse 43.
So here we have Jesus beingcrucified between two criminals.
Okay, so if you're not familiarwith that story, then that's
why many times you see threecrosses, because you have Jesus,
and then you have the twocriminals, one on each side.
And so here in Luke 23, we seesomething we don't see anywhere
(30:02):
else in the Bible, and that isthe two thieves not just talking
to one another, but one of thethieves, in verse 42 is talking
to the other criminal and inverse 41 it says is talking to
the other criminal.
In verse 41, it says do you notfear God, since you are under
the same sentence ofcondemnation?
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And we indeed justly, for wereceive the due reward of our
deeds, but this man has donenothing wrong.
And then, in verse 42, we readthis, a powerful statement, and
he said Jesus, remember me whenyou come into your kingdom.
And he said to him truly, thisis Jesus, truly I say to you
today you will be with me inparadise.
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Now, that's the only place inthe Bible where we see that
sentence.
But to me, here is this manabout to take his last breath,
okay, and Jesus is offering hopeabout what's going to happen
after he takes his last breath.
So my question as far asleadership is how much hope are
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we giving our people?
You know, sometimes, because ofwhatever challenges we have at
work, the leader has to be very,uh careful not to get sucked
into despair.
Uh, sometimes it's difficulttimes, but even in difficult
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times, I think the leader's jobis to still not to be
Pollyannish, not to be fake, notto lie, not to, you know, do
anything like that not to beuntruthful, but to offer hope.
And so different situationscall for different types of hope
, but I think that's one of theleader's main jobs is to offer
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hope.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, and we can go over and over in that.
I mean, that's your job is toexpress where you want to take
the company and where you wantto go, how you're going to get
there, you know, is it going tobe always just the perfect
scenario?
No, but you know one of thebiggest things communication.
You know, and offer up thoselittle carrots, you know those
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little bites, just to keeppeople going, because it's not.
You look at all these companiesthat have done it, from Apple
to Microsoft, all this.
I mean they started out it wasshoestrings.
Right, I can think about myjourney.
You know, there's many a timesI'm like I just could go get a
corporate job and be very happy,you know, and, but you know you
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keep going and you do it.
I think that's one of thethings as a leader, that you
have to have that vision.
You have to have that vision,you have to have that drive and
you have to know how toencourage them.
You don't have to be a rah-rahperson, but at least you have to
put something out to give thema glimmer of hope, to know
what's in your brain and whatyou're thinking and where the
company's going.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah, and I think that goes back to what we were
saying earlier, and that is yougot to know your people, because
for some, hope might be moremoney, others might be job
security, others might be youknow what.
Hey, take the rest of the weekoff.
You have to know your people,to know what is going to be
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their need.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
What is their motivated?
Yeah, why are they motivated?
Yeah, what's their motivation?
Yeah, I mean, if you don't knowthat, then there's no way to
motivate them.
I can offer money to everybody,but if he's all about family
and spending time with thefamily and I need him to work
the weekend and I throw bigmoney at him, he's like I don't
need that, right, that isn'twhat I'm here for no, I need
just one more time with thefamily.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
So, going back, you know, trying to tie all that
together, and I can see theclock we're not going to get to
chapter 24, which is fine,because we can talk about that.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
next week We'll start at 19 next week, and we'll go
through it again, right yeah?
So why don't we just stop?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
there instead of going on any farther, so we can
finish up with a few dad jokes.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Okay, we can do that.
Okay, yeah, do you happen to?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
have any dad jokes?
No, I don't have any one dadjoke.
I've got about 4,000 dad jokes.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
This is his mission in this show is just to come up
with dad jokes, right yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:13):
So you heard about the giraffe and the ostrich that
had a 100-meter race.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, it was neck and neck to the very end.
Alright, I like it you likethat.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Okay, so let's just come up with a.
Let's just talk about you knowa good Dak joke.
Let's see.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Uh-oh.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
He hesitated right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
I hesitated.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Yeah, so what do you call?
This is Texas, so what do youcall?
Oh, we were at a mall in thewoodlands over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
And we saw they had a security.
You know how malls have thesesecurity officers in cars.
No, these women were on horses.
Nice, I thought wow, that isamazing, because you can really
get after somebody if you're ona horse.
Yeah, you can right, yes, sowhat do you call a happy cowgirl
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?
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Happy cowgirl?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
A jolly rancher.
I knew that one by gosh, I knewthat one.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
So this weekend I went to one of my clients.
We built him a big house andhis whole goal since building
this.
He has a band and has to have abig festival and he had one
this weekend.
His whole goal, when we had thevacant lot there with the trees
and the weeds, is he justwanted to have his band a place
(35:50):
to practice.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Is that the name of the band?
Trees and Weeds?
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Yeah, trees that would be good, right, you know,
actually it would be all right.
But yeah, it's one of thosethings that he had a festival
and he had like five bands andyou know it was an all day event
through the wee hours of themorning, and invited all the
neighbors so nobody would getmad.
Wow, and yeah, people camearound, you know everywhere.
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But I was thinking about bandnames.
They had some very unique bandnames.
But I was thinking about bandnames.
They had some very unique bandnames and I was thinking about
what I would name a band if Ihad it, and I was thinking
Plastic would be a good bandname Plastic, yeah Plastic, but
nothing would stick.
Yeah, they would be mostly a rap.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
A rap band.
A rap band right oh.
I still can't do this, okay,well, brother, yeah, we had fun,
we had fun, we'll get tochapter 24 maybe 24, maybe.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Yeah, it's a possibility.
So anyway, all right, we'lltake us out, dr posy.
All right, make a good day, allright, thank you.
uh-huh now, yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on, come on,
alrighty welcome, welcome,welcome, hey Tim.
(00:33):
Oh my gosh gotta be done.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yeah, you gotta do it , Gotta do it how you doing.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Dr Pete.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I'm doing good, Tim, how you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
man, oh man, surviving hanging in there, just
glad to be back in town.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yes, you know that's my fun stuff.
I mean, we're in August.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I know it's crazy August.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Already August.
This is unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yes, it really is insane.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
actually.
It's like wait a minute whenyou think about it.
What happened to July?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I know Where'd Insane .
It's like wait a minute whenyou think about it.
What happened to July?
I know?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Where did summer go right?
It was like a blink.
Yeah, and your kids startschool next week.
I do.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
That's amazing right.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah, it's good and bad.
I mean I miss the kids.
I love hanging out with my kids, you know.
Same time, you know it's niceto be able to get back onto a
little bit of a routine as well.
So that's good for work and,you know, making money and
everything as well.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, we just got back from Houston on Sunday and
we were down there.
Our son and his family were inthe area and visiting our
daughter-in-law's family, so wejust thought we'd go down there.
Just bebop down.
Well, yeah, so I think we brokea world record.
(01:53):
Yes, on, I think it wasThursday, we got there Wednesday
.
They got there Wednesday.
We rented an Airbnb in Conroe,a nice little town.
Yes, and we, I think, mighthave broken a world record for
going to Chick-fil-A the mosttimes in one day.
(02:15):
we were there three times in oneday the grandkids had no
problem with going toChick-fil-A three times.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Just spoil them.
That's what grandparents do,right?
Yes, exactly you know.
We're going to Chick-fil-Athree times.
Just spoil them.
That's what grandparents do,right?
Yes, exactly you know.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Spoil them, give them back to their parents.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I understand the way it works.
I was thinking you were goingto say maybe a world record that
you weren't in traffic inHouston.
But I mean you know,Chick-fil-A works as well.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
We only went down as far as the woodlands.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah well, there's still a good little traffic
around the woodland, so it'sgetting crazy down in that area
as well.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
It was good.
It was really really good.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Wonderful.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
So back here and back in the studio.
It was good.
I was thinking about getting apart-time job, though.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I've been retired now gosh two years, two and a half
years.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
That's crazy, it's been that long, hasn't it?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, it's been crazy , but we've been traveling a lot
and seeing family and stufflike that.
But I applied for a job.
It's very part-time, it's for ablanket company.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
A blanket company.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, they said I would be an undercover agent.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Oh boy, I was like this boy is not getting a job.
I know that, so I know wherewe're going with this early on.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, we got to get into dad jokes, come on.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
We do.
We do got to get into dad jokes, but yeah, it's, you know, if
you're a first-time listener orwhatever.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Thank you, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
We do pick up listeners every week, we do.
But you know we talk biblical,a lot about the biblical.
Dr Pierre has been around inthe ministry for, let's say,
more than two years.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, a little over two years.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, a little over two years, maybe 42 years, and I
teach a lot of leadership inthe world and some other things
With business and home buildingand stuff, corporate training
and all that stuff.
And then we throw a lot of dadjokes in and people ask us why
do we do dad jokes?
Because we can.
I think was always our answerright.
Just because when we startedthis, we started on this journey
(04:21):
, we decided we're going to makeit fun and have fun, and for
both of us to have fun it's dadjokes isn't it?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Exactly right?
Exactly right.
So you got to laugh in theworld, right?
You know?
I saw an ad.
You know, with summer coming toan end, a lot of companies are
trying to gear up for fall, andone of the airplane companies I
won't say which one, that wouldbe unfair they were advertising
extremely low rates for flyinganywhere in the continental
(04:50):
United States, and so theyadvertised an airplane with no
decorations or branding on theplane.
And you know what they calledit An air plane.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I'm reaching for the button there.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
All right, I'm surprised you didn't the gong
button.
I forgot about that, I got toput that on.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I'm going to.
As soon as we get done with theshow, I'm going to go write
that down.
I got to install a gong.
That would make me so happy onthe gong.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I love the gong show man.
That was so funny.
That was such a good show.
Oh, is that the one with thebig hook?
Did they have the big hook?
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, the big hook, it was the gong the big hook, I
do believe, and they'd alwayswrestle people trying to gong
and you know, no, don't do it,don't do it and all that stuff.
So yeah, that's great, youstart calling people.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Well, I do, but I'll wait.
Oh, you're going to wait.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
So we've been doing this marathon on Luke, Is that
correct?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Oh my goodness, yeah my favorite book, favorite book.
That's why we're doing amarathon right.
Yeah, I think we're now inchapter one, verse 30.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
This is our fourth one on Luke, but we're there.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
We're there.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
We're going to get through it next year, you know,
and all this stuff.
Yeah, if you're just joining us, it's the first time.
So we're doing a year-long GoBack and, luke, we started with
the Old Testament and we'redoing a year-long every book.
And it's been a good journey.
(06:25):
It's been a good journey for me.
I've enjoyed it and, I think, alot of the listeners, the
feedback we're getting and theemails, tech messages.
It's been great.
But yeah, we're going to finishup Luke today and then continue
on next week.
Well, I mean, our hope is tofinish up Luke today.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I think we can do it.
I think we could.
Yeah, 18 to 24, is that right?
Speaker 1 (06:47):
18 to 24, yeah, so I think we should be able to pull
it off today.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Well, there's a really I mean this part of Luke,
the last part of Luke, andyou've got to remember who Luke
was.
He was a physician that theApostle Paul met on one of his
missionary journeys, and thenLuke became a follower and a
(07:13):
disciple of Paul.
So he was not Jewish by birth,but he was not also in Israel,
so he had never personally metJesus.
So everything he wrote had tobe something that he heard from
(07:38):
somebody.
Tradition has it that hevisited Jerusalem and that he
talked to Jesus' mother Mary.
So that's where he got a lot ofthe birth narrative from in
chapters 1 and 2.
And then we see, starting withthe last part, where we are
(08:00):
today, chapter 18, we go intothe last really week of Jesus'
life, with the holy week goinginto Jerusalem on a donkey and
the crucifixion and resurrection.
But the last chapter of LukeLuke 24, we'll get to in just a
(08:20):
few minutes, I think has one ofthe most powerful leadership
principles in the entire Bibleand we'll get to that in just a
few minutes, I think has one ofthe most powerful leadership
principles in the entire Bibleand we'll get to that in just a
moment.
So we'll just get to, you know,chapter 18.
And so I had a quote becausethis applies to Luke, because he
(08:46):
wasn't a Christian.
He met Paul, he became aChristian, and so I think this
is what applies to Luke, and Ithink God's desire would be it
should apply to everybody, if weallow it, and this is it.
A disciple is someone who hasmoved from being a recipient of
(09:07):
the church's mission to beingresponsible for the church's
mission.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Oh, that's nice.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, and so that explains Luke.
Okay.
I mean not only Luke, but it'sa synopsis of Luke.
So he received the good news ofChrist.
He accepted that.
The good news of Christ.
He accepted that, and then hepersonally, over time, became
(09:33):
responsible for spreading that,and so he wrote the book of Luke
.
He wrote the book of Acts.
We'll get to Acts here maybe inthree or four months after we
get through the gospel of Johnwhich is phenomenal in itself,
but I think that's so.
Let's just think.
Just take that one statementfor leadership.
(09:55):
Okay, so you hire an individual.
It could be your first hire, itcould be your hundredth hire,
it could be your thousandth hire.
You don't want them to just be.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Say that three times.
Yeah, three times.
Nice, you don't?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
want.
Let's just say, a new employeeis named Betty.
You don't want Betty to just bea recipient of the benefits of
the employment.
You want her to be responsiblefor spreading the vision of the
company.
And so the question is a goodleader knows how to do that.
They know how to take a personin.
(10:36):
They know how to bring themalong, mentor them, do whatever
they can so that that person isone of the biggest advocates for
the company that you have.
And that would be true for anyemployee.
You want every employee to bean advocate for the company, not
(10:56):
just an employee, not justthere to get a paycheck, not
just there to punch the timeclock and then go back home.
You want them to become anadvocate for the mission.
And so the question is how doyou do that as a leader?
That's a really good question.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, and in my world , I mean, we call that employee
engagement, right.
We're looking for that personto be employee engaged and to be
able to be an advocate for thecompany.
Where the recruiter calls youand says, I'm going to offer you
$2 more an hour, you know, mostof the time they'll jump ship,
you know, and you don't wantthat.
What you want is somebodythat's engaged that says no.
(11:37):
I mean, why would I ever leavethe best company in the world,
right?
Matter of fact, you need tosend me all your people and
start, you know, sending me so Ican get them a job here because
this is by far the best company.
So that's what you want.
You want that buy-in, and thatcomes straight from the
leadership.
It comes straight, you know,from from the principles.
(11:58):
It comes from how you've set upthe, the corporate feel,
everything there.
There's so many things that areinvolved in that employee
engagement.
But, but you got to make thatperson loyal.
You know a lot of the things.
You know it used to be back inthe day that everybody was loyal
to the company.
Now it's literally it's J-O-Band a paycheck, right, and you
got to figure out how to goabove and beyond that.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
How to be loyal to the pay more than the paycheck
right, yeah, exactly.
And I would say one of thereasons and I learned this years
ago from John Maxwell, who's anincredible leader and teacher.
He said this that people don'treally care how much you know
until they know how much youcare.
And so by just caring for yourpeople, whatever that means, it
(12:40):
could mean that, like during thesummer, okay, during the summer
we're going to get off at noonon Friday just because I want
you to have a great weekend.
I want you to come backrefreshed.
I don't want you to come backexhausted.
Now, while you're here, those36 hours, you're going to work
hard, but everyone's going toget off.
(13:00):
On Friday Comes Labor Day.
We're going back to our normalschedule.
So the question is how do youshow the people that you care?
And that's not true.
It's not like one thing acrossthe board.
You need to know your peopleand know what makes them tick,
(13:20):
and if you figure that out,you're going to have some very
loyal followers.
They're not just followers toyou and loyal to you, they're
going to be advocates for themission.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
And I think that's really what good leaders are all
about.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Well, Dr Posey, I care for you.
So we're going to cut this at13 minutes, with no dad jokes,
because we care for the peopleas well.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
We appreciate it.
We'll see you next week.
Bye-bye, okay, now that we'reon dad jokes.
We're on dad jokes, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
So, my wife and I, we were just thinking the other
day before we left for Houston.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I know your wife was doing most of the thinking for
you.
Yeah, that's the truth.
Like 99%.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
And so we had not seen the movie Wicked.
Okay, we hadn't seen it and sowe said, well, let's watch it.
So we're watching the Wickedand I'm thinking to myself the
whole time why didn't the actorwho played the Tin man want to
be in the movie?
And I feel I guess he was justa little rusty.
(14:24):
That's not true.
You need the gong.
You need the gong.
No, it was all right, a littlerusty.
You need the gong, you need thegong.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
It was all right.
It was all right.
For a brief moment, I thoughtyou were going to say John Wick.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I'm like what Wicked?
Yes, yes, I remember WickedWicked yeah, I thought they did
really good on that remake, verycreative storyline.
I thought it was.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I thought it did really good.
That remake Very creativestoryline I thought it was.
I thought it did really good.
I was a little apprehensivetaking my daughter and kids and
everything, but I think they didgood.
I think they made it where itflowed good, had a good story to
it.
I'm excited to see the secondone, that they come out.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, I don't know when their release date is.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
on that but, I've heard it's in the making and
should be, sometime this year,so yeah, good, I thought they
played with that one yeah theydid.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
I think so, I think so.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
All right, so, mr Luke, here, yeah, I guess we
should talk a little bit aboutLuke.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I think we should.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I mean we can do 19 and then call it good until next
week.
You know it's summer, we'recoming wrapping down at the end
of the summer here, but so yeah.
So Luke 18, you know you talkabout that, and tell me where we
want to go.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Okay, so here we have the very beginning of Luke 18.
We see a parable about it'scalled the parable of the
persistent widow, parable aboutit's called the parable of the
persistent widow, and so shekept coming to this person and
coming, coming, coming.
And so the question, really oneof the lessons, is how
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persistent are we in our faith?
That's really the message that.
Jesus is trying to get across.
Do we allow things that happenin life and just things happen
in life.
Some things happen because ofdecisions we make, some that
just happens.
And are we going to allowthings that happen in life to
(16:23):
disrupt our faith journey, thatwe just give up?
And this parable?
Jesus said no, you need to bepersistent in your faith.
Faith is a journey andsometimes it's a difficult
journey because of challengingthings, sad things that happen
in life.
Are we gonna allow that todisrupt our faith?
And so let's think aboutleadership.
(16:47):
There's gonna be downtimes Inevery company.
It could be because of marketconditions, supply chain things.
It could be personnel you'relow on personnel.
It could be whatever it couldbe and the question is are we
persistently pursuing themission?
And that's really the leader'sjob to make sure that we're
(17:10):
still focused on the mission.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah, and that's one of the things I put lead with
persistence, not pressure.
That's one of the things I cantake out of Luke 18.
You know, how do you, how doyou do that?
Stay humble, you know, even if,even when you're right, you
know, and and it it has, it'shad some good.
You know it has some goodmeaning, you know, especially
when you get into, you know, youknow how many times have
(17:40):
leaders, entrepreneurs and Icould speak to hundreds that
I've dealt with you know thecrowd tries to silence you.
Your family tries to silenceyou.
You know, and a lot of thepeople have persevered, right,
they've had persistence, theyhad that mission, you know,
ultimately in their head andthey strove, they strived to
make that happen.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yes, and so even in down times, you still focus on
the mission.
Now, sometimes, when we focuson the mission, we become a
slave to our job, and I don'tthink that's really good
leadership, you know, putting in24 hours a day or 20 hours a
day, seven days a weekeventually you're going to just
burn out and you're not settinga good example for your people.
And so you've got to keep abalance, and I haven't always
(18:28):
been good at setting thatexample.
Sometimes it's just there's alot to do at work.
No matter what job it is,there's just a lot to do, and
it's a constant challenge tokeep a balance in life.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, this summer as much as I'm in travel.
It's a balanced opposite way ofactually working.
Yes, it's been a crazy summeror something.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
It's been a crazy summer or something.
So after that parable, then wehave a parable about a person
that you know, a tax collectorand a Pharisee, and the whole
issue is you got to remainhumble.
You know, humility is just akey issue of a good leader,
(19:24):
issue of a good leader, and Iran across this quote the other
day from let me just pull thatup because I thought it was
really really good and it saidthis is from CS Lewis, who's a
very famous author True humilityis not thinking less of
yourself, it's thinking ofyourself less.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah, and so the question is if you think of
yourself less, then hopefullyyou're thinking of your
employees more.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Right yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
So that's just a great thing.
I'm going to repeat that.
That's just a great thing.
I'm going to repeat that Truehumility is not thinking less of
yourself, it's thinking ofyourself less.
And that's from CS Lewis.
So that's one of the lessonsJesus is trying to teach here in
Luke 18.
And I think it's a great lessonfor good leaders you think of
(20:14):
yourself less.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Right yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
So I like it's a great lesson for good leaders
you think of yourself less Right.
Yeah, I like it.
Yeah, we like it.
So then we get on to just someother parables and we're getting
up to the point where Jesus isgetting to the last week of his
(20:36):
life.
And then we come to maybe oneof the most famous Vacation
Bible School stories of alltimes in Luke 19, and that is
Jesus and Zacchaeus.
So if any of you went toVacation Bible School when you
were young, you probably learneda song about Zacchaeus and I
(21:01):
won't sing it, believe me, comeon, let's sing it.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
No, let's sing it.
No, we're not going to sing it,but anyway, can you play a
guitar to it?
No, no.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
And so Zacchaeus was a tax collector and a very, very
rich person, which would benormal back then.
And Jesus was coming throughthe city of Jericho.
The Zacchaeus was asmall-statured man, a shorter
(21:34):
person.
He wanted to see Jesus, and sohe climbs up in a tree.
And when Jesus comes by, helooks up in the tree and says,
hey, zacchaeus, come on down,I'm going to stay at your house
today.
So he invited himself over andZacchaeus just has this
(21:55):
transformation.
And Zacchaeus, just has thistransformation, says, hey, if I
have defrauded anyone, I'm goingto restore it.
And so to me, the leadershiplessons is sometimes you have to
confront people but, he did itwith grace and that really
(22:22):
changed.
Zacchaeus' life.
So I know sometimes it'sdifficult to confront people on
issues and some people have aneasier job of doing that than
others, because some leadersdon't like conflict.
But this is a good example ofhow to do it, because he was
addressing Zacchaeus but hewasn't criticizing the person,
(22:47):
and so sometimes we get intoalmost to a—not a shouting match
, but it's just, we think, thinkwe got to confront somebody and
we go into it knowing it'sgoing to be a negative
experience.
And sometimes they are okay,sometimes Sometimes they are.
But my suggestion of having todo this unfortunately more times
(23:08):
than I care to admit.
It's good to write things downand do a self-evaluation of the
person.
So if you have a regularevaluations, then if someone
comes in that you need todiscipline or correct or let go
or whatever, hopefully theydon't see everything as a
(23:30):
surprise because they've knownthat you have not been satisfied
with what they're doing.
Now sometimes somebody justdoes something and you have to
confront them right then thatmight be a surprise.
But if it's a long-term issueand you have to correct them,
you can do that over time.
Maybe you have an action planfor 90 days or something like
(23:55):
that, and they know if they areliving up to that or not living
up to that, then they know inahead of time the consequences
of their behavior.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yeah, one of the things I made a note on this one
is leaders confront what'sbroken, not just comfort what's
familiar.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Ooh, that's really good, and.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
I think that was a good statement.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, you know the only problem with that statement
.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
What's that?
I didn't think of it.
You didn't think of it, Iunderstand.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
No, that's really good.
Could you repeat that again?
Speaker 1 (24:25):
for our listeners.
That was really good.
Leaders, confront what's broken, not just comfort what's
familiar.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Ooh, I like that a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I really like that and why I was over here looking
down on my phone is.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
I was looking up the words of Zacchaeus.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Zacchaeus was a wee little man.
Uh-huh, a wee little man was heand he climbed up in a sycamore
tree for the Lord he wanted tosee.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
So I'll let our listeners sing it along, because
you don't want me to sing it,but that is I can't say every
Vacation Bible School years ago.
I don't know if they sing itnow, but that was like the
number one song of VBS fordecades.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
I can't wait to play it and listen to it to see if
the lyrics you know I wasreading, I was like did I do
that?
I bet you did.
I'm sure we probably did right,I bet you did.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Okay, and so we get to chapter 19, and at the end of
chapter 19, verse 28,.
We see, really it's Palm Sunday, so Jesus has the donkey, he's
going into the city of Jerusalemand that really sets the tone
for the last week of Jesus' life, right, and so we have the
Sunday.
He doesn't stay in Jerusalem,he goes to Bethany, but he's
(25:52):
there Sunday, monday, tuesday wedon't have a record of what
happened on Wednesday but onThursday he has the Last Supper
with his disciples, then he'sarrested that evening and then
he's crucified on Friday.
Now I don't know how many ofour listeners have watched this
series, the Chosen.
(26:13):
If you haven't watched that, Iencourage you don't start with
season five.
Okay, Because season fivebasically is this whole last
week.
It starts in Luke 19 and goesthrough almost the crux of it,
right when Jesus is arrested.
I would start in season one andjust because then you see the
(26:34):
characters building, you see thestoryline building and it's
just exceptionally well done.
Season six, that's coming outsometime, hopefully, next year.
It's actually being filmed inItaly and it's going to be the
crucifixion.
Yeah, so that looks they've hadjust done a.
Dallas Jenkins has done aphenomenal job, and so has the
(26:55):
cast and the crew and thesupporters, and it's just been a
phenomenal thing.
But I would encourage you atsome point to watch that because
it gives the backstory.
So many things are not writtenin the Bible.
It's like what happened duringthe day, what happened?
I mean, jesus didn't go in andteach one lesson and leave, so
(27:18):
what else could have been goingon?
What was going through thedisciples' minds?
What was happening during theLast Supper?
What were they thinking?
I mean, there's just brilliantwriters doing that, and so I
encourage them to do that.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
So, yeah, yeah, it's awesome.
It's really really awesome.
Luckily for me, I think I'm atseason one, so it's good I won't
skip ahead.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Don't skip ahead yeah , but if you skip ahead you miss
so much of the characterdevelopment.
Yeah, and so we're going to gothrough this.
I'm just looking at the clock.
We just have a few minutes left.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
You know we got next week.
It's just the way it works withus.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
We could spend probably an entire podcast on
chapter 24.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
We could and we might , because I mean we're pushing
30 minutes now.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
So I mean yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
So I mean, you know, maybe maybe 20, I think we um,
and and so, anyway, I'll just gothrough.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
So we have.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
He wants dad jokes.
We have the arrest.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
we have the trial, we have the crucifixion, we have
the resurrection.
Now think about this Going backto what we said at the very
beginning of this podcast Jesus'crucifixion.
Luke was not present.
The other disciples werepresent.
Paul was not present.
Luke was not present.
The other disciples werepresent, paul was not present,
luke was not present.
So the account of thecrucifixion that we see here in
(28:47):
the gospel of Luke actually hadto be told to him from somebody
else.
It could have been told fromPaul, but if that's true, it
could have been told from Paul.
But if that's true, paul had tohear it from somebody else.
And so the account and thedetails.
And Luke was a physician, so hewas very clear on the
(29:14):
description of that, what thatmeant to the human body to do
that.
And so it was just amazing.
And the one thing that I thinkis incredible is in Luke 23,
(29:35):
verse 43.
So here we have Jesus beingcrucified between two criminals.
Okay, so if you're not familiarwith that story, then that's
why many times you see threecrosses, because you have Jesus,
and then you have the twocriminals, one on each side.
And so here in Luke 23, we seesomething we don't see anywhere
(30:02):
else in the Bible, and that isthe two thieves not just talking
to one another, but one of thethieves, in verse 42 is talking
to the other criminal and inverse 41 it says is talking to
the other criminal.
In verse 41, it says do you notfear God, since you are under
the same sentence ofcondemnation?
(30:23):
And we indeed justly, for wereceive the due reward of our
deeds, but this man has donenothing wrong.
And then, in verse 42, we readthis, a powerful statement, and
he said Jesus, remember me whenyou come into your kingdom.
And he said to him truly, thisis Jesus, truly I say to you
today you will be with me inparadise.
(30:44):
Now, that's the only place inthe Bible where we see that
sentence.
But to me, here is this manabout to take his last breath,
okay, and Jesus is offering hopeabout what's going to happen
after he takes his last breath.
So my question as far asleadership is how much hope are
(31:04):
we giving our people?
You know, sometimes, because ofwhatever challenges we have at
work, the leader has to be very,uh careful not to get sucked
into despair.
Uh, sometimes it's difficulttimes, but even in difficult
(31:27):
times, I think the leader's jobis to still not to be
Pollyannish, not to be fake, notto lie, not to, you know, do
anything like that not to beuntruthful, but to offer hope.
And so different situationscall for different types of hope
, but I think that's one of theleader's main jobs is to offer
(31:50):
hope.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, and we can go over and over in that.
I mean, that's your job is toexpress where you want to take
the company and where you wantto go, how you're going to get
there, you know, is it going tobe always just the perfect
scenario?
No, but you know one of thebiggest things communication.
You know, and offer up thoselittle carrots, you know those
(32:13):
little bites, just to keeppeople going, because it's not.
You look at all these companiesthat have done it, from Apple
to Microsoft, all this.
I mean they started out it wasshoestrings.
Right, I can think about myjourney.
You know, there's many a timesI'm like I just could go get a
corporate job and be very happy,you know, and, but you know you
(32:34):
keep going and you do it.
I think that's one of thethings as a leader, that you
have to have that vision.
You have to have that vision,you have to have that drive and
you have to know how toencourage them.
You don't have to be a rah-rahperson, but at least you have to
put something out to give thema glimmer of hope, to know
what's in your brain and whatyou're thinking and where the
company's going.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah, and I think that goes back to what we were
saying earlier, and that is yougot to know your people, because
for some, hope might be moremoney, others might be job
security, others might be youknow what.
Hey, take the rest of the weekoff.
You have to know your people,to know what is going to be
(33:11):
their need.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
What is their motivated?
Yeah, why are they motivated?
Yeah, what's their motivation?
Yeah, I mean, if you don't knowthat, then there's no way to
motivate them.
I can offer money to everybody,but if he's all about family
and spending time with thefamily and I need him to work
the weekend and I throw bigmoney at him, he's like I don't
need that, right, that isn'twhat I'm here for no, I need
just one more time with thefamily.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
So, going back, you know, trying to tie all that
together, and I can see theclock we're not going to get to
chapter 24, which is fine,because we can talk about that.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
next week We'll start at 19 next week, and we'll go
through it again, right yeah?
So why don't we just stop?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
there instead of going on any farther, so we can
finish up with a few dad jokes.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Okay, we can do that.
Okay, yeah, do you happen to?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
have any dad jokes?
No, I don't have any one dadjoke.
I've got about 4,000 dad jokes.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
This is his mission in this show is just to come up
with dad jokes, right yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:13):
So you heard about the giraffe and the ostrich that
had a 100-meter race.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, it was neck and neck to the very end.
Alright, I like it you likethat.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Okay, so let's just come up with a.
Let's just talk about you knowa good Dak joke.
Let's see.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Uh-oh.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
He hesitated right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
I hesitated.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Yeah, so what do you call?
This is Texas, so what do youcall?
Oh, we were at a mall in thewoodlands over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
And we saw they had a security.
You know how malls have thesesecurity officers in cars.
No, these women were on horses.
Nice, I thought wow, that isamazing, because you can really
get after somebody if you're ona horse.
Yeah, you can right, yes, sowhat do you call a happy cowgirl
(35:22):
?
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Happy cowgirl?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
A jolly rancher.
I knew that one by gosh, I knewthat one.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
So this weekend I went to one of my clients.
We built him a big house andhis whole goal since building
this.
He has a band and has to have abig festival and he had one
this weekend.
His whole goal, when we had thevacant lot there with the trees
and the weeds, is he justwanted to have his band a place
(35:50):
to practice.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Is that the name of the band?
Trees and Weeds?
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Yeah, trees that would be good, right, you know,
actually it would be all right.
But yeah, it's one of thosethings that he had a festival
and he had like five bands andyou know it was an all day event
through the wee hours of themorning, and invited all the
neighbors so nobody would getmad.
Wow, and yeah, people camearound, you know everywhere.
(36:13):
But I was thinking about bandnames.
They had some very unique bandnames.
But I was thinking about bandnames.
They had some very unique bandnames and I was thinking about
what I would name a band if Ihad it, and I was thinking
Plastic would be a good bandname Plastic, yeah Plastic, but
nothing would stick.
Yeah, they would be mostly a rap.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
A rap band.
A rap band right oh.
I still can't do this, okay,well, brother, yeah, we had fun,
we had fun, we'll get tochapter 24 maybe 24, maybe.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Yeah, it's a possibility.
So anyway, all right, we'lltake us out, dr posy.
All right, make a good day, allright, thank you.
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