July 22, 2025 • 37 mins
What makes a great leader? Beyond hiring the right people, beyond strategic planning, beyond even having a compelling vision—it's creating a culture that transforms those within it. In this illuminating episode, we dive deep into the leadership principles revealed in Luke's Gospel as Jesus calls his first disciples and builds a movement that would ultimately change the world.
We explore the counterintuitive power of face-to-face connection in our digital age. While AI-driven interviews and social media profiles offer efficiency, they miss the crucial elements of character and cultural fit that only personal interaction can reveal. "Tell me something about yourself that's not on your resume" might be the most important question a leader can ask when building their team.
The conversation takes a fascinating turn as we examine how Jesus maintained engagement through purposeful unpredictability. From raising a widow's son to calming storms, His pattern-breaking approach kept followers learning and growing. We discuss practical applications for modern leadership: changing meeting formats, celebrating achievements, implementing team lunches across departments, and other simple yet effective ways to prevent the disengagement that routine inevitably brings.
Perhaps most powerful is our examination of the Good Samaritan parable—found only in Luke's Gospel—and how it established a culture of compassion that transcended ethnic boundaries. This storytelling approach to values-setting offers leaders a blueprint for cultural transformation more effective than any policy manual.
Whether you're leading a religious organization, business enterprise, or community initiative, these timeless principles provide the foundation for leadership that outlasts your presence. After all, the true measure of your leadership isn't what happens when you're in the room—it's the culture that continues when you're gone.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
uh-huh now, yeah, uh-huh, yeah, yeah, come on,
come on, all righty, welcome,welcome, welcome hey go ahead,
(00:33):
do it for us today welcomewelcome, welcome.
I had to get posy at the timeof that one.
So hey everybody, welcome tothe.
Anyway, I guess I'll just letyou do the whole moderation
thing today.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Welcome to the Biblical Leadership Show.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
His name is Dr.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Posey.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
My name is Tim Lansford.
We're glad to be here with youtoday.
We are so glad that you're here, middle of July, warm out there
.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
It is warm.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
It is, but that's all right, we like it, you out
running marathons again.
No, no, but I's all right, welike it, you out running
marathons again?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
No, no, but I don't have a triathlon on the calendar
, but I am training.
So you know, go to the gym,lift some weights, go swim.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
You know probably well this morning 1,000 meters,
which is not that much, that'snot bad.
You know, it's not bad, it's.
I'm just kind of getting backinto it and kind of getting in
shape and, oh my, they're done99 meters more than I want to go
.
So and uh and so uh, my, ourdaughter and her boyfriend gave
(01:36):
me an incredible gift forfather's day last month oh
really and these are gogglesswim goggles that have an led
screen in them.
What?
And you can actually.
It actually records yourdistance, so I don't have to
count laps anymore.
It is absolutely phenomenal.
How cool is that it is so coolI call myself the frog man now.
(01:57):
Anyway, they're just regulargoggles and they have this
little button, two buttons onthe side and one's on off button
and one you can switch thedistance of the pool or you can
do open water swim.
So the pool I swim is 25 meters, so you switch to that, you
turn it on and then I have noidea how it does it, but there
is a little LED screen.
It's green on the right side,and every time you flip to go
(02:23):
the opposite direction itrecords 25 meters.
So I used to have to count.
You know was that?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
36, or was that 32?
Yeah, it all jacked up right.
It's like no, that's 50.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Two, what, yeah?
And so now I can just focus onmy breathing, on my strokes.
You know my form.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I did not know those existed.
That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I was like in shock.
And it syncs to my Garmin watchand so it just all syncs
together and it is really,really amazing.
It is amazing and so it's likeI don't even know who invented
stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Right, but they're brilliant yeah it is.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, I don't know how it works, but it works
really well.
And you have to charge it up,you know, and all that stuff,
but it is and it's so clear.
I wonder if a GPS is on theopen water or something like
that.
I think it does, because, yeah,because it'll do open water
swims, so you'll know okay, no,you still have a half a mile to
go.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Could be good and bad yeah could be good.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
It could be good and bad.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah, it could be good oh.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Oh, that's so good, but I'm enjoying that and
cycling.
You know, with all the rainwe've had, it's been hard to
cycle outdoors, so I have acycle thing in my garage in case
it's raining.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Nice, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah, so I'm good.
What about you?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Just the same working out.
You know you're going to haveyour health and all that stuff
and and uh been traveling hereand there and got one more trip
coming up, uh, here in a coupleof days.
So, uh, then I'll kick back fora couple of weeks, I think, and
then it's been pretty busy lastcouple of months.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
And your birthday is like two weeks from today.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Oh my week from the day today.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Oh, that's right A week from today.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
A week from today.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Be out here and hanging out and singing happy
birthday.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Well, that'll be good .
Speaker 1 (04:13):
We'll sing happy birthday to you next week in the
show.
I'll have to get a cake weshould get a cake.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
What's your favorite cake?
German chocolate, not.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
German chocolate, but anything chocolate, Anything
chocolate like chocolate.
Chocolate, yeah, Do you likethose?
Nothing.
Bundt cakes yes.
Anything, Anything chocolate isgood.
And it's funny.
You mentioned that.
I promised a girl I teach aclass and I promised her it's
her birthday the day of my class, so I promised her I'd bring
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her a cake.
So I've got to go get a cake.
What's your favorite cake?
I don't know.
I just said I'm going to getyou a cake.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
So I promised her I'd bring her a cake.
So I've got to go get a cake.
What's your favorite?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
cake?
I don't know.
I just said I'm going to getyou a cake, but I'm going to get
her a white cake.
I think that one of her friendssaid that she likes white cakes
.
She's in one of my leadershipclasses and I was like oh my
gosh, it's your birthday, so Ihave to go get a cake before I
teach tomorrow.
Yeah, so that'll be good.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, absolutely so chocolate, yeah, anything,
anything you can bring mechocolate chip.
Cookies to chocolate cupcakesto you like red velvet, that's
red chocolate I like.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I like red chocolate you know red velvet.
I like everything.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Just you can't go wrong with anything you can't go
wrong with, and I like germanchocolate, it's just it's.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I like chocolate, chocolate, you know, dark
chocolate's my, my darkchocolate is it's I like
chocolate, chocolate.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
You know, dark chocolates, my, my dark
chocolate is yeah, yeah.
So like dove chocolate.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Oh my, that would be great.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Lindors and stuff.
Oh, get the the true dark onesand stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
So is that a healthy fat?
Is that?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
a healthy fat.
Right, I was just telling DrPosey I'm checking out, tracking
all my macros and all thatstuff, getting a little bit
tighter on the diet and stuff.
So yeah, I don't know where thesugar falls into the fats and
carbs and protein, but we'llmake a category for my birthday
(05:59):
that day.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
We will.
We're just going to like boomthere, it is there we go Okay,
we will, we're just gonna likeboom, there, it is there, you go
okay, maybe just put we can.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
We can get some icing and write carbs on the cake.
It says it's carbs.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Oh, healthy, fat, healthy fat, emotionally healthy
fat, exactly.
Oh, all right.
So you know, when I was on myway to the studio today, I
actually had to stop by theguitar store to get some picks
for my, because I'm trying toget back into playing guitar
Nice, I needed some more picks,and so, but there was this.
(06:33):
They always have.
I always like to look at theused equipment, okay, because
some people trade in theirguitars or they inherit
something.
They sell it.
So there was a really greatdeal on a guitar.
It was kind of a little broken,needs some help, but it was a
great deal because it came withno strings attached.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I was watching crazy enough watching the Antique
Roadshow last night and her dad,back in the 50s had bought her
this violin and he paid $600 fora violin back in the fifties,
had bought her this violin andhe paid $600 for a violin back
in the fifties and uh, she goes.
I knew it was a lot of money,cause I mean cars were costing
$3,000, you know, and and youknow, or fifties, you know,
sixties, wherever it was, and umand uh.
(07:18):
But yeah, he said well, it wasa German thing, and so on and so
forth.
It was really worn down,everything.
She still plays it to this day,but yeah, it's up to like
$20,000, $25,000 now.
So she felt that was a goodinvestment for her dad.
Dad would be proud at thatpoint.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, thank you dad, thank you dad.
Yeah, it was pretty crazy.
Well, we can get into our topictoday.
So last week we started thebook of Luke and we were hoping
to get through chapter 9, 10.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
We got through chapter 4.
It's just the way we do thingsaround here, but you know, it's
okay right, and one of thereasons is and if you listened
to the show last week, if not,shame on you, but go back and
listen to it.
This is Dr Posey's favoritechapter, favorite book.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Favorite book, I'm sorry, favorite book.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
And there's a lot of lessons here and we've talked
about it.
There's a lot of overlap onthese first two or three books
really, but this one reallyspoke to you.
It got you into ministry, ittook you down a different path
in life and it was prettyawesome.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, chapter four really shaped ministry for me as
far as mission and beinginvolved in the community, and
still affects me to this day andso, yeah, it's a very impactful
book for my life.
Very impactful book for my lifeand it's been very good.
(08:50):
I never tire of talking aboutthe book of Luke, and so we're
going to get into that.
We're going to start withchapter five today.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Chapter five and hopefully we'll get through
chapter six.
No promises where we get to, wehave no promises in this show,
other than we're going to talkabout Bible and leadership and
throw some dad jokes in for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, so we could talk about it because you know
it's been hot.
We've had a lot of rain, butit's been hot in July, which is
typical in Texas, typical and sowe have this little space in
our backyard that I'm justthinking.
You know I need to plant anherb garden.
Yeah, yeah, it's about time.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I don't know.
I was trying to figure outwhich one to go with I like it
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So Luke, chapter 5.
You know, so he, jesus, has thetemptations.
He comes out of the temptations.
Then he goes to the city ofNazareth, where he grew up, and
he goes to the synagogue and thepeople try to throw him off the
hill.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Right, some of that right.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
And then we get to chapter 5, when he calls his
first disciples and so justthinking about, how do you pick
your team?
Yeah, you know, and what agreat leadership principle that
(10:28):
we see here in Luke, chapter 5,because Jesus was walking along
the lake.
He sees these people andthey're fishermen and they're
washing their nets and he callsto them and they begin to follow
him.
And so the question is, whenyou're looking for a new team
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member, okay, how do you do that?
There's so many social mediaoptions now you know.
There's so many websites youcan go to to look, and I don't
know how you do it.
I've interviewed people online.
I've talked to people on thephone, I've seen their resumes,
(11:10):
but I don't ever like to hiresomebody until I see them face
to face.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Oh, I'm a face to face guy.
That's just our generation.
We like to shake your hand, seeyou in person.
I mean, I'll drive clear acrosstown to have a conversation the
last five minutes, other thanpicking up the phone, because
that's my thing.
I want to see the body language.
I want to see the microexpressions.
You're putting off everythingabout it.
That's just one of the things.
Plus, I want to get a feelingof who you are as a person more
(11:37):
than just talking on my phone.
But yeah, I think that dialsback a lot, you know, as far as
personalities and where we wouldgo.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, and so just think about that With modern
technology now, you can get toknow a lot of the people.
Where you look on the socialmedia feed, whatever it may be
Instagram, twitter you knowFacebook.
Whatever you look on all ofthat, you get their resume, you
(12:09):
do all the research and so youpretty much know their
qualifications or theirexperience, their background,
their training.
But you don't know thecharacter.
You don't know how are theygoing to relate to your other
team members.
And just say, for example,maybe you're the very first, you
just started your business,maybe just you and your spouse,
or you and a friend, and you'regetting ready to hire another
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person.
Just say it's you and anotherperson and you're getting ready
to hire a third person.
Just think that person is onethird of your company.
That person is going to beextremely important as to do
they get along with other people.
So the question is how can youjust do that without just online
(12:54):
?
I know a lot of that happens inbig companies.
They do it that way.
I just think Jesus didn'tobviously have that.
He wanted to actually meet thepeople.
He saw them as fishermen, hesaw them as hard workers and he
said hey, I want you now to befishing for people and I'm going
to teach you how to do that,but you need to follow along.
(13:16):
So he invited them to comealong and he invested his life
into them.
But I still am old school whenit comes to hiring people, and I
know you are too.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, and it's done a lot nowadays and the technology
has come a long ways with AI.
Ai can give you a full reportafter you talk to somebody.
It'll record the wholeconversation.
It'll tell you all their bodylanguage, tell you if they
thought it was lying.
It talks about every littlemisstep in their thing.
It'll tell you everything aboutthem after an interview online.
(13:50):
If you take a Zoom and you addon AI, it's amazing some of the
softwares that they have inplace when they're doing online
interviews.
But you know it's getting tofeel and you bring up a good
point and I think that you knowway back.
I haven't worked for people formany, many years.
(14:10):
Right, we'll just say that.
But back when I very firststarted the job market and
everything I would, I would bethe point where I would.
I would go through the processof interviewing with the the who
was hiring me.
But it was my for sure that Ialways had asked can I go talk
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to some of the other managers?
And they would look at me likewhy?
And I'm like I just like to getto know a few people.
And then I would actually askcan I go wander around with
somebody and talk to a couple ofyour employees and I know that
nobody else was doing that right, because that was not cool.
But at the same time I want tomake sure that I fit in with the
thing, because when you'reinterviewing you can sell me on
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oh this is the great culture andall that.
But until I see it, until Ifeel it, until I talk to some
other people and see how theyreact, then I had a good feeling
.
If it was someplace that Iwanted to work, let alone if I
was a manager hiring somebody, Ithink that would be a great
thing.
I'd want them to know if theyfit in.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, and so just about two or three days ago I
was talking to a rather let'sjust say a new person into the
ministry.
He just graduated from school,he is working in church now
part-time.
He has another full-time job,but he has an opportunity to go
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to a bigger church and be likethe head person.
So he called me and asked mefor some advice as to what he
should do, what kind ofquestions he should ask.
So we had a really goodconversation about that and I
said here's the thing I want youto think about when you get to
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the interview process.
I said you have to rememberthey're not just interviewing
you, you are interviewing them.
Okay, yeah, so the question isdo you see yourself?
They might see you as theperson they want, but the
question is do you see yourselfin that role?
(16:17):
And I said and so you have todecide on the interview process.
And I said this would be let'srank the order of questions.
I said, before you ask aquestion about the church, about
ministry, about Sunday morning,I said why don't you ask them
questions about themselves?
Just, to get to know and take apad of paper and write down
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their names oh Mike, or heySally or whatever their name is
and just write their names oh,mike or hey Sally or whatever
their name is and just write,take notes.
I said because they want toknow if you care about them, not
just you care about theorganization.
And so the question I wouldhave if you're a boss you know
the question.
I know legally you can't answer, you can't ask certain
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questions, okay, but I alwayslike to say this, I always like
to say this one question at thevery beginning Tell me something
about yourself that's not onyour resume and that's just an
open-ended question.
We get to talking about whatever.
They might like to skeet shoot,they might like to golf, they
might like to whatever you knowbackpack.
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They might like to travel I.
They might like to golf, theymight like to whatever you know
backpack.
They might like to travel.
I don't know what it is, but Iwant to know something about the
person, because then that givesme an idea.
Can they get along with otherpeople in the organization?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Do you like to skeet shoot?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yes, but I haven't done it in a long time Okay,
just checking.
Yeah, I do.
I mean we got to go ask thegrowing student.
I definitely go skeet shoot.
I haven't done that in a longtime.
I'm not that good, but I surelike it.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah, I haven't done it that much.
I actually had a trap and skeetrange and a pistol range on my
college campus.
It was pretty crazy times, youknow, just keep on.
Anyway, that's a wholedifferent story.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
When we first got married, when we first moved to
Texas, yeah, I had a.
Really I'm left-handed, so Ihad a Ithaca 37 featherlight gun
.
Because the reason I had thatis because it ejected the shell.
It was a shotgun, Ejected theshells out of the bottom.
And for a left-handed shooter.
You don't want the shell, youknow, ejecting across your face.
So it ejected the shell out thebottom and I think I never had
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a problem.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
No, never thought about right.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
And um, and I would load my own shells there was
this there was a shooting rangeout not too far from where we
live and I would spend a lot oftime out there.
I just really, really enjoyedit.
And, uh, when our son was bornkind of got out of that, but I
always enjoy it, I've alwaysenjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah, anyway, that's good to know.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
So that has nothing to do with the podcast, but I'm
getting to know you Apparently.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I didn't know that you mentioned that I'm like why
would he mention that?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I don't know he might like that, Just random.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Because everything on your list, backpacking, parked
and everything.
You went through a list ofeverything that you like and I
was like the ski threw me off.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
That's why it wouldn't happen.
Maybe I should have said skiingit just threw me off.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I was like, does he really like that?
He mentioned everything and Ijust didn't know that fact about
him.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
So all right, good to know.
Okay, so here we go back toLuke.
Okay, so he calls his disciples, they begin to—he begins to get
a following, and then, really,chapter 5, 6, 7, 8, it really
goes into parables.
(19:38):
You have the Sermon on thePlain, some teachings, some
miracles, I mean just like oneright after another.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Well, let's talk about Sermon on the Plain.
Some teachings, some miracles,I mean, just like one right
after another.
Well, let's talk about Sermonon the Plain, because I mean,
that was one I mentioned to youthat I was not familiar with and
I didn't know what Sermon onthe Plain was, and I guess I've
just been, didn't show up tochurch that day or something.
If you didn't know, been,didn't show up to church that
day or something.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
If you didn't know.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Dr Posey used to be my minister for many years, so
it was sort of like guiltyconscience saying I really
didn't know what that was.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Well, it's basically Luke's version of the Sermon on
the Mount.
So a lot of the same parableteachings there in Luke that we
see in Matthew.
But it wasn't like in the bookof Matthew.
It says he went up on themountain and sat down and began
to speak.
Here he's just on a plane, soit's called the Sermon on the
Plane.
Basically it that's it.
(20:36):
But you get, you know, when yougo to Luke, chapter 6, beginning
with 20, you see the Beatitudesand some of those are like word
for word.
Some of them are a littledifferent, but the principle is
the same.
It's the teachings of Jesusabout how to live a godly life
and how to follow God.
(20:57):
Okay, so that's what Jesus isall about.
And so we see that in chapter 6.
There's a lot of that inchapter 6.
And some of them are word forword from Matthew and some of
them are not.
And then we get into chapter 7and there's some healings, and
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there's some healings.
And then there's a miracleabout the son of a woman from
the widow, from Nain, and that'sonly in the Book of Luke.
Okay, and what is that about?
And so this is this woman whoshe's a widow and her only son
dies.
She's a widow and her only sondies, and so they're carrying
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him out in a funeral processionout of the town while Jesus and
his disciples were walking intothe town.
And that is in Luke 7,beginning in verse 11.
And so he's being carried outand Jesus kind of stops the
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funeral procession and now theyhave this casket thing and he
just raises the man from thedead and so he sits up and gives
the man back to his mother.
And so we see the incrediblemiracle power of Jesus in that.
(22:30):
And let's think about themiracle, the leadership
principles from that particularstory.
Okay, and that would be, forone of them is sometimes we need
to do the unpredictable.
It's so easy to get into a rut,it's so easy to do the same
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thing every Monday morning,tuesday morning, wednesday
morning, just kind of just soyou almost don't even think okay
.
But sometimes you need to sayyou know what?
We're going to do something alittle different this week.
We're going to do something alittle different in the company.
We're going to do this to justkind of not to throw your people
off, but just kind of look atit from a different perspective.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
And so you want to make sure that your people and
you are always learning andgrowing.
And so Jesus, I mean theyhadn't seen somebody raised from
the dead before, no, and so,all of a sudden, jesus comes in.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Darrell Bock Caught some fish.
That was pretty impressive,darrell.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Bock.
So the miracles are justgetting more and more powerful.
He's getting a bigger andbigger following, but he wants
to make sure that his disciplesare always learning and growing,
and so he is beginning to showthem that, what is possible you
know, through his leadership andthrough who he is, and I think
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for leaders it's like if youjust keep doing the same thing,
your people might just get bored.
So how are you going to changeit up just a little bit?
Or are you going to dosomething?
Or like how often do you have abirthday party for your staff
or do something, have a staffluncheon or celebrate something?
(24:19):
I don't know what that might be.
You made 10,000 widgets thismonth and last month you only
made 7,000.
What can you do to celebrateyour team?
What can you do to keep itexciting and learning and
growing as a team?
And I don't know what's goingto work for you.
I know one thing we did at thechurch last church was once a
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month we had brown bag lunch.
Everybody would bring theirlunch after staff meeting on a
Tuesday and you'd bring yourbrown bag lunch and we would
just get in a room and you wouldsit with people that you
normally wouldn't work with,like the children's department.
You know, you wouldn't just sitwith them and we would just eat
and talk and just get to knowsome people and that was just
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like something we did.
It was just kind of one ofthose things, but it really
added some value to the staff.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, and it reminds me of when my kids were, you
know, whatever that isconsidered before pre-K, right
Toddlers, Toddlers, when theschool where they first started
they had a culture thing.
So it was very diverse at theschool and everybody brought a
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dish from their family.
So you had Italian, you had allthese different cultures and
everybody brought a differentsome people from Africa and
across the country and they allbrought a dish and it was really
fun to go around and taste andknow that.
And that led me back when youwent down to this path.
I and that's one of the notesthat I made from Luke six is
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that Jesus, he wasn't justforming a team, he was building
a culture.
You know, by by doing all thesethings.
He wasn't just by hey, I wantto pick you, you know, 12
disciples and all this stuff.
He was building a culture.
He was laying the groundworkthat he didn't have to be the
leader and to be there, so hewas creating that.
So it led me to think, when youwent down to the brown bag, sort
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of one of those things is youbuild that culture, you build
that different, you change it up, and what are you going to do
as a leader to build that.
And to you know, I talk aboutall the people that have these
same meetings every day, everyweek, the same exact.
Just change it up, you know,and it's one of the things you
spoke my words right out of mymouth.
Hey, just go in Anything new,Nope, All right.
(26:45):
Then here's what we're going todo today, Something totally
different you know, yeah, and itgoes a long.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Have a stand-up meeting, let someone else run
the meeting.
You might want to be there, butlet someone else run it Instead
of, if you have an agenda whichwe would normally have an
agenda work the agenda backwards.
Do something to just shake itup.
Bring food to the meeting, dosomething, have someone just
share something, just dosomething.
(27:17):
You know, and for a churchstaff we had always have, we had
assigned people to do a shortdevotional before we started
staff meeting or at thebeginning of staff meeting, and
that just gave everybody anopportunity to bring something
unique to the table.
And I thought that was reallygood.
And Jesus was a master at that.
He saw the potential in everyperson and he wanted to empower
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them to bring value to the team.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, yeah, his leadership was built on
compassion, right, and he wasvery compassionate.
And you can see because, as wementioned, these first few
chapters, it's all about thingsthat he did to build that
culture, to gain that leadership, to prove people that he really
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was the true Messiah- Exactlyright.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
So we see that in chapter 5, 6, 7, 8.
There's just more and moreexcitement about his ministry.
There's parables, there'smiracles.
He gets a bigger and biggerfollowing.
And then we get to, you know,in chapter 8, at the end well,
(28:32):
really at the middle he calms astorm.
So there's just more and moremiracles.
And then we have the healing ofJairus' daughter.
He sends out the 12 disciples.
And then we get to chapter 10.
In chapter 9, the first part ofchapter 9, feeding of the 5,000
.
Now, the feeding of the 5,000is one of the only miracles.
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That's in all four Gospels.
So you'll find it in Matthew,mark, luke and John.
This shows how significant thatmiracle was.
But then we get to chapter 10.
And we're going to—I know we'rekind of running out of time,
but I think the chapter 10, weread about the parable,
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beginning with verse 25, we readabout the parable of the Good
Samaritan.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Right.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Now we only find that in the book of Luke.
Okay, of Luke, okay.
And so if you're not familiarwith the story, there's a man
traveling from Jerusalem toJericho.
He gets beat up, religiousleaders walk by and don't do
anything, and then a Samaritan,who was hated by the Jews and
Jews hated Samaritans, helps himand takes him to an inn and
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pays for it, and he says, hey,if there's any, if there's, if I
owe you any more, when I comeback I'll pay you more.
Jesus is basically saying, hey,this is the kind of person you
need to be.
You don't need to haveprejudice, you don't need to
have bias, you need to be abouthelping people, and so that was
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such a kind of a new way oflooking at life.
We're even supposed to help thepeople that don't like us, and
so it just kind of we even seethat term used today, not in the
biblical sense, but we see iton.
You know, this person was agood Samaritan.
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They were broken down on theside of the road and this person
stopped to help them.
There's good Samaritan laws now, and so it's like how are we
going to be helping other people?
And Jesus was all about that.
As you said he was verycompassionate and Jesus was all
about that.
As you said, he was very, verycompassionate.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
And Samaritan comes from.
You know it's a charitable orhelpful person, right, but
didn't it come from Samaria?
Is that where it came?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
from, or there's a history there is.
We don't have time to get intothat today.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
What but?
I mean, but when, Dr B.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Why don't we talk about that at the beginning of
next?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
week.
All right, fine, it's yourbirthday.
I'll table the question untilnext week, but there is a
history of what the Samaritanswere and why there was some
animosity between the Jewishpeople and the Samaritans.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Okay, great, All right.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I will table that question until next week and I
will do it.
So I don't want to cut you outof dad joke time right, no we
got to because we're close toending, close to the end of the
podcast, which is crazy.
Didn't we just start thispodcast?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
We just did.
It seemed like it's gone by sofast.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Just the time flies when you're having fun.
Exactly right.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
So it's getting to our dad joke.
So what do you get if you crossa mountain and a baby?
A cry for Alp.
Not the one I was going to.
You know I'd hate to be a taxidriver.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Why.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Because people are always talking behind your back.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
They are, they are and that would be.
Yes, let's see, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
You don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Trying to find some unique ones.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Unique dad jokes.
There's only about 10 millionout there.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah, I try to find one that ties into our lesson of
the day.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
You know.
So even after I'm retired, I'mstill being asked to do weddings
.
Okay, yes, I've done severalfunerals, but'm still being
asked to do weddings.
Okay, yes, I've done severalfunerals, but I'm still asked to
do weddings.
And this one couple contactedme the other day and they're
avid readers, so they wanted toget married at the library.
So we checked it out but it wasall booked up.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I don't know.
All right, I'll give it to you.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I had to think about it, to me that was a.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I had to think here oh all right, anything else no,
we need elisa here she come outwith some good ones she had some
good ones.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
She had some help, you know, with their books she
did.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
I only have help with about 40.
Oh my gosh you've heard us talkabout it.
Dr Posey has like the wholeside of the podcast table over.
There is all jokes, right.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
I have one page of biblical research and eight
pages of dad jokes.
Yes, that's exactly right, butyou know, you know well, I
should tell people about my book.
You should tell people about mybook you should.
Yeah, yeah, so um, it's beenvery normal for years that I
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dream almost every night yeahand so I started dreaming about
a year and a half ago.
I just started having thisdream and I had.
This was weird, as I had thesame dream every night for weeks
, which is crazy.
Which is crazy, and it was very,very vivid.
Okay, so I finally decided towrite it down and I thought oh,
this is a nice little story,I'll give it to Diana as a story
(34:24):
.
Well, I finished writing thatdown and I'm a horrible typist,
so it took me a long time totype it and I just did a Word
document.
Well, as soon as I finishedtyping it, the next night I had
another dream, which was asequel to that one, and I typed
that one, and then I had anotherdream that was a sequel and
(34:46):
that literally started inJanuary a year ago and ended
last October, and it ended upbeing a book of 554 pages.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
It just got published about two months ago.
Well, really on Mother's Day, Igave it to Diana for Mother's
Day and it's called the CandleMaker and it's a historical
romantic fiction book about acouple just pre-World War II,
(35:20):
and it's just a dream, I mean,it was just, I just wrote it
down.
Yeah, it got published byAmazon.
It's on Amazon now and ifyou're on IngramSparks that's
another competitor Amazon it'son IngramSparks.
You can get that.
And yeah, I enjoyed it and Istill dream, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah, get that pen and paper out.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yeah, it's like you never know what's going to come
to your brain.
But the other night I had thisdream about being a muffler and
I woke up exhausted.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Anyway, he really does have a book Check him out
the Candlemaker Very good.
That's still an amazing thingand I have dreams and I write
them down but usually don't turninto a book that maybe I should
get onto it.
I've got about three bookshalfway wrote so I just need to
finish one of them and get it upthere.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Well, I worked with a great team with Amazon, and
they edited it.
Our daughter Tricia, who's aphenomenal person with English
language she has really a greatgift she was my initial editor.
But we didn't know how to editit for a book.
For a book, you know, for amanuscript, just as a Word
(36:38):
document, yes, but as a book, no.
We didn't know that.
So we reached out and Amazonedited it, put it in a book form
.
They did the cover art, youknow, and all that kind of stuff
.
It was a great team and so itwas a good experience.
It took a little longer than Ithought because I was
inexperienced in that process,right, but it came out here just
(37:01):
literally two months ago andI'm excited, I'm really excited.
So catch it if you need, and Itell people, if you have a
problem going to sleep, orderthe book, read one or two pages
and it'll put you right to sleep.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
It's that simple, right.
It's just that simple.
Yeah, all right, all right, man.
Well, guys, get the book, checkus out
biblicalleadershipshowcom.
Let us know what we can do foryou.
We will come back and hopefully, maybe we'll continue to talk
about it.
We'll continue to talk aboutLuke, chapter 11.
(37:36):
Yeah, chapter 11.
We may or may not get throughit, but at least you got next
week and maybe the week after onLuke and then come back and see
us, shoot us an email, shoot usa text, all that stuff.
But other than that, dr P, takeus out, make it a great day,
thank you.
uh-huh now, yeah, uh-huh, yeah, yeah, come on,
come on, all righty, welcome,welcome, welcome hey go ahead,
(00:33):
do it for us today welcomewelcome, welcome.
I had to get posy at the timeof that one.
So hey everybody, welcome tothe.
Anyway, I guess I'll just letyou do the whole moderation
thing today.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Welcome to the Biblical Leadership Show.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
His name is Dr.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Posey.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
My name is Tim Lansford.
We're glad to be here with youtoday.
We are so glad that you're here, middle of July, warm out there
.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
It is warm.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
It is, but that's all right, we like it, you out
running marathons again.
No, no, but I's all right, welike it, you out running
marathons again?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
No, no, but I don't have a triathlon on the calendar
, but I am training.
So you know, go to the gym,lift some weights, go swim.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
You know probably well this morning 1,000 meters,
which is not that much, that'snot bad.
You know, it's not bad, it's.
I'm just kind of getting backinto it and kind of getting in
shape and, oh my, they're done99 meters more than I want to go
.
So and uh and so uh, my, ourdaughter and her boyfriend gave
(01:36):
me an incredible gift forfather's day last month oh
really and these are gogglesswim goggles that have an led
screen in them.
What?
And you can actually.
It actually records yourdistance, so I don't have to
count laps anymore.
It is absolutely phenomenal.
How cool is that it is so coolI call myself the frog man now.
(01:57):
Anyway, they're just regulargoggles and they have this
little button, two buttons onthe side and one's on off button
and one you can switch thedistance of the pool or you can
do open water swim.
So the pool I swim is 25 meters, so you switch to that, you
turn it on and then I have noidea how it does it, but there
is a little LED screen.
It's green on the right side,and every time you flip to go
(02:23):
the opposite direction itrecords 25 meters.
So I used to have to count.
You know was that?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
36, or was that 32?
Yeah, it all jacked up right.
It's like no, that's 50.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Two, what, yeah?
And so now I can just focus onmy breathing, on my strokes.
You know my form.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I did not know those existed.
That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I was like in shock.
And it syncs to my Garmin watchand so it just all syncs
together and it is really,really amazing.
It is amazing and so it's likeI don't even know who invented
stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Right, but they're brilliant yeah it is.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, I don't know how it works, but it works
really well.
And you have to charge it up,you know, and all that stuff,
but it is and it's so clear.
I wonder if a GPS is on theopen water or something like
that.
I think it does, because, yeah,because it'll do open water
swims, so you'll know okay, no,you still have a half a mile to
go.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Could be good and bad yeah could be good.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
It could be good and bad.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah, it could be good oh.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Oh, that's so good, but I'm enjoying that and
cycling.
You know, with all the rainwe've had, it's been hard to
cycle outdoors, so I have acycle thing in my garage in case
it's raining.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Nice, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah, so I'm good.
What about you?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Just the same working out.
You know you're going to haveyour health and all that stuff
and and uh been traveling hereand there and got one more trip
coming up, uh, here in a coupleof days.
So, uh, then I'll kick back fora couple of weeks, I think, and
then it's been pretty busy lastcouple of months.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
And your birthday is like two weeks from today.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Oh my week from the day today.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Oh, that's right A week from today.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
A week from today.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Be out here and hanging out and singing happy
birthday.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Well, that'll be good .
Speaker 1 (04:13):
We'll sing happy birthday to you next week in the
show.
I'll have to get a cake weshould get a cake.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
What's your favorite cake?
German chocolate, not.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
German chocolate, but anything chocolate, Anything
chocolate like chocolate.
Chocolate, yeah, Do you likethose?
Nothing.
Bundt cakes yes.
Anything, Anything chocolate isgood.
And it's funny.
You mentioned that.
I promised a girl I teach aclass and I promised her it's
her birthday the day of my class, so I promised her I'd bring
(04:41):
her a cake.
So I've got to go get a cake.
What's your favorite cake?
I don't know.
I just said I'm going to getyou a cake.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
So I promised her I'd bring her a cake.
So I've got to go get a cake.
What's your favorite?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
cake?
I don't know.
I just said I'm going to getyou a cake, but I'm going to get
her a white cake.
I think that one of her friendssaid that she likes white cakes
.
She's in one of my leadershipclasses and I was like oh my
gosh, it's your birthday, so Ihave to go get a cake before I
teach tomorrow.
Yeah, so that'll be good.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, absolutely so chocolate, yeah, anything,
anything you can bring mechocolate chip.
Cookies to chocolate cupcakesto you like red velvet, that's
red chocolate I like.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I like red chocolate you know red velvet.
I like everything.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Just you can't go wrong with anything you can't go
wrong with, and I like germanchocolate, it's just it's.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I like chocolate, chocolate, you know, dark
chocolate's my, my darkchocolate is it's I like
chocolate, chocolate.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
You know, dark chocolates, my, my dark
chocolate is yeah, yeah.
So like dove chocolate.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Oh my, that would be great.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Lindors and stuff.
Oh, get the the true dark onesand stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
So is that a healthy fat?
Is that?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
a healthy fat.
Right, I was just telling DrPosey I'm checking out, tracking
all my macros and all thatstuff, getting a little bit
tighter on the diet and stuff.
So yeah, I don't know where thesugar falls into the fats and
carbs and protein, but we'llmake a category for my birthday
(05:59):
that day.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
We will.
We're just going to like boomthere, it is there we go Okay,
we will, we're just gonna likeboom, there, it is there, you go
okay, maybe just put we can.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
We can get some icing and write carbs on the cake.
It says it's carbs.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Oh, healthy, fat, healthy fat, emotionally healthy
fat, exactly.
Oh, all right.
So you know, when I was on myway to the studio today, I
actually had to stop by theguitar store to get some picks
for my, because I'm trying toget back into playing guitar
Nice, I needed some more picks,and so, but there was this.
(06:33):
They always have.
I always like to look at theused equipment, okay, because
some people trade in theirguitars or they inherit
something.
They sell it.
So there was a really greatdeal on a guitar.
It was kind of a little broken,needs some help, but it was a
great deal because it came withno strings attached.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I was watching crazy enough watching the Antique
Roadshow last night and her dad,back in the 50s had bought her
this violin and he paid $600 fora violin back in the fifties,
had bought her this violin andhe paid $600 for a violin back
in the fifties and uh, she goes.
I knew it was a lot of money,cause I mean cars were costing
$3,000, you know, and and youknow, or fifties, you know,
sixties, wherever it was, and umand uh.
(07:18):
But yeah, he said well, it wasa German thing, and so on and so
forth.
It was really worn down,everything.
She still plays it to this day,but yeah, it's up to like
$20,000, $25,000 now.
So she felt that was a goodinvestment for her dad.
Dad would be proud at thatpoint.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, thank you dad, thank you dad.
Yeah, it was pretty crazy.
Well, we can get into our topictoday.
So last week we started thebook of Luke and we were hoping
to get through chapter 9, 10.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
We got through chapter 4.
It's just the way we do thingsaround here, but you know, it's
okay right, and one of thereasons is and if you listened
to the show last week, if not,shame on you, but go back and
listen to it.
This is Dr Posey's favoritechapter, favorite book.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Favorite book, I'm sorry, favorite book.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
And there's a lot of lessons here and we've talked
about it.
There's a lot of overlap onthese first two or three books
really, but this one reallyspoke to you.
It got you into ministry, ittook you down a different path
in life and it was prettyawesome.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, chapter four really shaped ministry for me as
far as mission and beinginvolved in the community, and
still affects me to this day andso, yeah, it's a very impactful
book for my life.
Very impactful book for my lifeand it's been very good.
(08:50):
I never tire of talking aboutthe book of Luke, and so we're
going to get into that.
We're going to start withchapter five today.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Chapter five and hopefully we'll get through
chapter six.
No promises where we get to, wehave no promises in this show,
other than we're going to talkabout Bible and leadership and
throw some dad jokes in for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, so we could talk about it because you know
it's been hot.
We've had a lot of rain, butit's been hot in July, which is
typical in Texas, typical and sowe have this little space in
our backyard that I'm justthinking.
You know I need to plant anherb garden.
Yeah, yeah, it's about time.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I don't know.
I was trying to figure outwhich one to go with I like it
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So Luke, chapter 5.
You know, so he, jesus, has thetemptations.
He comes out of the temptations.
Then he goes to the city ofNazareth, where he grew up, and
he goes to the synagogue and thepeople try to throw him off the
hill.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Right, some of that right.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
And then we get to chapter 5, when he calls his
first disciples and so justthinking about, how do you pick
your team?
Yeah, you know, and what agreat leadership principle that
(10:28):
we see here in Luke, chapter 5,because Jesus was walking along
the lake.
He sees these people andthey're fishermen and they're
washing their nets and he callsto them and they begin to follow
him.
And so the question is, whenyou're looking for a new team
(10:50):
member, okay, how do you do that?
There's so many social mediaoptions now you know.
There's so many websites youcan go to to look, and I don't
know how you do it.
I've interviewed people online.
I've talked to people on thephone, I've seen their resumes,
(11:10):
but I don't ever like to hiresomebody until I see them face
to face.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Oh, I'm a face to face guy.
That's just our generation.
We like to shake your hand, seeyou in person.
I mean, I'll drive clear acrosstown to have a conversation the
last five minutes, other thanpicking up the phone, because
that's my thing.
I want to see the body language.
I want to see the microexpressions.
You're putting off everythingabout it.
That's just one of the things.
Plus, I want to get a feelingof who you are as a person more
(11:37):
than just talking on my phone.
But yeah, I think that dialsback a lot, you know, as far as
personalities and where we wouldgo.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, and so just think about that With modern
technology now, you can get toknow a lot of the people.
Where you look on the socialmedia feed, whatever it may be
Instagram, twitter you knowFacebook.
Whatever you look on all ofthat, you get their resume, you
(12:09):
do all the research and so youpretty much know their
qualifications or theirexperience, their background,
their training.
But you don't know thecharacter.
You don't know how are theygoing to relate to your other
team members.
And just say, for example,maybe you're the very first, you
just started your business,maybe just you and your spouse,
or you and a friend, and you'regetting ready to hire another
(12:31):
person.
Just say it's you and anotherperson and you're getting ready
to hire a third person.
Just think that person is onethird of your company.
That person is going to beextremely important as to do
they get along with other people.
So the question is how can youjust do that without just online
(12:54):
?
I know a lot of that happens inbig companies.
They do it that way.
I just think Jesus didn'tobviously have that.
He wanted to actually meet thepeople.
He saw them as fishermen, hesaw them as hard workers and he
said hey, I want you now to befishing for people and I'm going
to teach you how to do that,but you need to follow along.
(13:16):
So he invited them to comealong and he invested his life
into them.
But I still am old school whenit comes to hiring people, and I
know you are too.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, and it's done a lot nowadays and the technology
has come a long ways with AI.
Ai can give you a full reportafter you talk to somebody.
It'll record the wholeconversation.
It'll tell you all their bodylanguage, tell you if they
thought it was lying.
It talks about every littlemisstep in their thing.
It'll tell you everything aboutthem after an interview online.
(13:50):
If you take a Zoom and you addon AI, it's amazing some of the
softwares that they have inplace when they're doing online
interviews.
But you know it's getting tofeel and you bring up a good
point and I think that you knowway back.
I haven't worked for people formany, many years.
(14:10):
Right, we'll just say that.
But back when I very firststarted the job market and
everything I would, I would bethe point where I would.
I would go through the processof interviewing with the the who
was hiring me.
But it was my for sure that Ialways had asked can I go talk
(14:31):
to some of the other managers?
And they would look at me likewhy?
And I'm like I just like to getto know a few people.
And then I would actually askcan I go wander around with
somebody and talk to a couple ofyour employees and I know that
nobody else was doing that right, because that was not cool.
But at the same time I want tomake sure that I fit in with the
thing, because when you'reinterviewing you can sell me on
(14:54):
oh this is the great culture andall that.
But until I see it, until Ifeel it, until I talk to some
other people and see how theyreact, then I had a good feeling
.
If it was someplace that Iwanted to work, let alone if I
was a manager hiring somebody, Ithink that would be a great
thing.
I'd want them to know if theyfit in.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, and so just about two or three days ago I
was talking to a rather let'sjust say a new person into the
ministry.
He just graduated from school,he is working in church now
part-time.
He has another full-time job,but he has an opportunity to go
(15:35):
to a bigger church and be likethe head person.
So he called me and asked mefor some advice as to what he
should do, what kind ofquestions he should ask.
So we had a really goodconversation about that and I
said here's the thing I want youto think about when you get to
(15:56):
the interview process.
I said you have to rememberthey're not just interviewing
you, you are interviewing them.
Okay, yeah, so the question isdo you see yourself?
They might see you as theperson they want, but the
question is do you see yourselfin that role?
(16:17):
And I said and so you have todecide on the interview process.
And I said this would be let'srank the order of questions.
I said, before you ask aquestion about the church, about
ministry, about Sunday morning,I said why don't you ask them
questions about themselves?
Just, to get to know and take apad of paper and write down
(16:39):
their names oh Mike, or heySally or whatever their name is
and just write their names oh,mike or hey Sally or whatever
their name is and just write,take notes.
I said because they want toknow if you care about them, not
just you care about theorganization.
And so the question I wouldhave if you're a boss you know
the question.
I know legally you can't answer, you can't ask certain
(17:02):
questions, okay, but I alwayslike to say this, I always like
to say this one question at thevery beginning Tell me something
about yourself that's not onyour resume and that's just an
open-ended question.
We get to talking about whatever.
They might like to skeet shoot,they might like to golf, they
might like to whatever you knowbackpack.
(17:22):
They might like to travel I.
They might like to golf, theymight like to whatever you know
backpack.
They might like to travel.
I don't know what it is, but Iwant to know something about the
person, because then that givesme an idea.
Can they get along with otherpeople in the organization?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Do you like to skeet shoot?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yes, but I haven't done it in a long time Okay,
just checking.
Yeah, I do.
I mean we got to go ask thegrowing student.
I definitely go skeet shoot.
I haven't done that in a longtime.
I'm not that good, but I surelike it.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah, I haven't done it that much.
I actually had a trap and skeetrange and a pistol range on my
college campus.
It was pretty crazy times, youknow, just keep on.
Anyway, that's a wholedifferent story.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
When we first got married, when we first moved to
Texas, yeah, I had a.
Really I'm left-handed, so Ihad a Ithaca 37 featherlight gun
.
Because the reason I had thatis because it ejected the shell.
It was a shotgun, Ejected theshells out of the bottom.
And for a left-handed shooter.
You don't want the shell, youknow, ejecting across your face.
So it ejected the shell out thebottom and I think I never had
(18:27):
a problem.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
No, never thought about right.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
And um, and I would load my own shells there was
this there was a shooting rangeout not too far from where we
live and I would spend a lot oftime out there.
I just really, really enjoyedit.
And, uh, when our son was bornkind of got out of that, but I
always enjoy it, I've alwaysenjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah, anyway, that's good to know.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
So that has nothing to do with the podcast, but I'm
getting to know you Apparently.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I didn't know that you mentioned that I'm like why
would he mention that?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I don't know he might like that, Just random.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Because everything on your list, backpacking, parked
and everything.
You went through a list ofeverything that you like and I
was like the ski threw me off.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
That's why it wouldn't happen.
Maybe I should have said skiingit just threw me off.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I was like, does he really like that?
He mentioned everything and Ijust didn't know that fact about
him.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
So all right, good to know.
Okay, so here we go back toLuke.
Okay, so he calls his disciples, they begin to—he begins to get
a following, and then, really,chapter 5, 6, 7, 8, it really
goes into parables.
(19:38):
You have the Sermon on thePlain, some teachings, some
miracles, I mean just like oneright after another.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Well, let's talk about Sermon on the Plain.
Some teachings, some miracles,I mean, just like one right
after another.
Well, let's talk about Sermonon the Plain, because I mean,
that was one I mentioned to youthat I was not familiar with and
I didn't know what Sermon onthe Plain was, and I guess I've
just been, didn't show up tochurch that day or something.
If you didn't know, been,didn't show up to church that
day or something.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
If you didn't know.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Dr Posey used to be my minister for many years, so
it was sort of like guiltyconscience saying I really
didn't know what that was.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Well, it's basically Luke's version of the Sermon on
the Mount.
So a lot of the same parableteachings there in Luke that we
see in Matthew.
But it wasn't like in the bookof Matthew.
It says he went up on themountain and sat down and began
to speak.
Here he's just on a plane, soit's called the Sermon on the
Plane.
Basically it that's it.
(20:36):
But you get, you know, when yougo to Luke, chapter 6, beginning
with 20, you see the Beatitudesand some of those are like word
for word.
Some of them are a littledifferent, but the principle is
the same.
It's the teachings of Jesusabout how to live a godly life
and how to follow God.
(20:57):
Okay, so that's what Jesus isall about.
And so we see that in chapter 6.
There's a lot of that inchapter 6.
And some of them are word forword from Matthew and some of
them are not.
And then we get into chapter 7and there's some healings, and
(21:21):
there's some healings.
And then there's a miracleabout the son of a woman from
the widow, from Nain, and that'sonly in the Book of Luke.
Okay, and what is that about?
And so this is this woman whoshe's a widow and her only son
dies.
She's a widow and her only sondies, and so they're carrying
(21:44):
him out in a funeral processionout of the town while Jesus and
his disciples were walking intothe town.
And that is in Luke 7,beginning in verse 11.
And so he's being carried outand Jesus kind of stops the
(22:05):
funeral procession and now theyhave this casket thing and he
just raises the man from thedead and so he sits up and gives
the man back to his mother.
And so we see the incrediblemiracle power of Jesus in that.
(22:30):
And let's think about themiracle, the leadership
principles from that particularstory.
Okay, and that would be, forone of them is sometimes we need
to do the unpredictable.
It's so easy to get into a rut,it's so easy to do the same
(22:52):
thing every Monday morning,tuesday morning, wednesday
morning, just kind of just soyou almost don't even think okay
.
But sometimes you need to sayyou know what?
We're going to do something alittle different this week.
We're going to do something alittle different in the company.
We're going to do this to justkind of not to throw your people
off, but just kind of look atit from a different perspective.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
And so you want to make sure that your people and
you are always learning andgrowing.
And so Jesus, I mean theyhadn't seen somebody raised from
the dead before, no, and so,all of a sudden, jesus comes in.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Darrell Bock Caught some fish.
That was pretty impressive,darrell.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Bock.
So the miracles are justgetting more and more powerful.
He's getting a bigger andbigger following, but he wants
to make sure that his disciplesare always learning and growing,
and so he is beginning to showthem that, what is possible you
know, through his leadership andthrough who he is, and I think
(23:59):
for leaders it's like if youjust keep doing the same thing,
your people might just get bored.
So how are you going to changeit up just a little bit?
Or are you going to dosomething?
Or like how often do you have abirthday party for your staff
or do something, have a staffluncheon or celebrate something?
(24:19):
I don't know what that might be.
You made 10,000 widgets thismonth and last month you only
made 7,000.
What can you do to celebrateyour team?
What can you do to keep itexciting and learning and
growing as a team?
And I don't know what's goingto work for you.
I know one thing we did at thechurch last church was once a
(24:43):
month we had brown bag lunch.
Everybody would bring theirlunch after staff meeting on a
Tuesday and you'd bring yourbrown bag lunch and we would
just get in a room and you wouldsit with people that you
normally wouldn't work with,like the children's department.
You know, you wouldn't just sitwith them and we would just eat
and talk and just get to knowsome people and that was just
(25:07):
like something we did.
It was just kind of one ofthose things, but it really
added some value to the staff.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, and it reminds me of when my kids were, you
know, whatever that isconsidered before pre-K, right
Toddlers, Toddlers, when theschool where they first started
they had a culture thing.
So it was very diverse at theschool and everybody brought a
(25:39):
dish from their family.
So you had Italian, you had allthese different cultures and
everybody brought a differentsome people from Africa and
across the country and they allbrought a dish and it was really
fun to go around and taste andknow that.
And that led me back when youwent down to this path.
I and that's one of the notesthat I made from Luke six is
(26:01):
that Jesus, he wasn't justforming a team, he was building
a culture.
You know, by by doing all thesethings.
He wasn't just by hey, I wantto pick you, you know, 12
disciples and all this stuff.
He was building a culture.
He was laying the groundworkthat he didn't have to be the
leader and to be there, so hewas creating that.
So it led me to think, when youwent down to the brown bag, sort
(26:23):
of one of those things is youbuild that culture, you build
that different, you change it up, and what are you going to do
as a leader to build that.
And to you know, I talk aboutall the people that have these
same meetings every day, everyweek, the same exact.
Just change it up, you know,and it's one of the things you
spoke my words right out of mymouth.
Hey, just go in Anything new,Nope, All right.
(26:45):
Then here's what we're going todo today, Something totally
different you know, yeah, and itgoes a long.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Have a stand-up meeting, let someone else run
the meeting.
You might want to be there, butlet someone else run it Instead
of, if you have an agenda whichwe would normally have an
agenda work the agenda backwards.
Do something to just shake itup.
Bring food to the meeting, dosomething, have someone just
share something, just dosomething.
(27:17):
You know, and for a churchstaff we had always have, we had
assigned people to do a shortdevotional before we started
staff meeting or at thebeginning of staff meeting, and
that just gave everybody anopportunity to bring something
unique to the table.
And I thought that was reallygood.
And Jesus was a master at that.
He saw the potential in everyperson and he wanted to empower
(27:43):
them to bring value to the team.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, yeah, his leadership was built on
compassion, right, and he wasvery compassionate.
And you can see because, as wementioned, these first few
chapters, it's all about thingsthat he did to build that
culture, to gain that leadership, to prove people that he really
(28:08):
was the true Messiah- Exactlyright.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
So we see that in chapter 5, 6, 7, 8.
There's just more and moreexcitement about his ministry.
There's parables, there'smiracles.
He gets a bigger and biggerfollowing.
And then we get to, you know,in chapter 8, at the end well,
(28:32):
really at the middle he calms astorm.
So there's just more and moremiracles.
And then we have the healing ofJairus' daughter.
He sends out the 12 disciples.
And then we get to chapter 10.
In chapter 9, the first part ofchapter 9, feeding of the 5,000
.
Now, the feeding of the 5,000is one of the only miracles.
(28:57):
That's in all four Gospels.
So you'll find it in Matthew,mark, luke and John.
This shows how significant thatmiracle was.
But then we get to chapter 10.
And we're going to—I know we'rekind of running out of time,
but I think the chapter 10, weread about the parable,
(29:22):
beginning with verse 25, we readabout the parable of the Good
Samaritan.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Right.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Now we only find that in the book of Luke.
Okay, of Luke, okay.
And so if you're not familiarwith the story, there's a man
traveling from Jerusalem toJericho.
He gets beat up, religiousleaders walk by and don't do
anything, and then a Samaritan,who was hated by the Jews and
Jews hated Samaritans, helps himand takes him to an inn and
(29:51):
pays for it, and he says, hey,if there's any, if there's, if I
owe you any more, when I comeback I'll pay you more.
Jesus is basically saying, hey,this is the kind of person you
need to be.
You don't need to haveprejudice, you don't need to
have bias, you need to be abouthelping people, and so that was
(30:14):
such a kind of a new way oflooking at life.
We're even supposed to help thepeople that don't like us, and
so it just kind of we even seethat term used today, not in the
biblical sense, but we see iton.
You know, this person was agood Samaritan.
(30:35):
They were broken down on theside of the road and this person
stopped to help them.
There's good Samaritan laws now, and so it's like how are we
going to be helping other people?
And Jesus was all about that.
As you said he was verycompassionate and Jesus was all
about that.
As you said, he was very, verycompassionate.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
And Samaritan comes from.
You know it's a charitable orhelpful person, right, but
didn't it come from Samaria?
Is that where it came?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
from, or there's a history there is.
We don't have time to get intothat today.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
What but?
I mean, but when, Dr B.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Why don't we talk about that at the beginning of
next?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
week.
All right, fine, it's yourbirthday.
I'll table the question untilnext week, but there is a
history of what the Samaritanswere and why there was some
animosity between the Jewishpeople and the Samaritans.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Okay, great, All right.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I will table that question until next week and I
will do it.
So I don't want to cut you outof dad joke time right, no we
got to because we're close toending, close to the end of the
podcast, which is crazy.
Didn't we just start thispodcast?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
We just did.
It seemed like it's gone by sofast.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Just the time flies when you're having fun.
Exactly right.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
So it's getting to our dad joke.
So what do you get if you crossa mountain and a baby?
A cry for Alp.
Not the one I was going to.
You know I'd hate to be a taxidriver.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Why.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Because people are always talking behind your back.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
They are, they are and that would be.
Yes, let's see, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
You don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Trying to find some unique ones.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Unique dad jokes.
There's only about 10 millionout there.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah, I try to find one that ties into our lesson of
the day.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
You know.
So even after I'm retired, I'mstill being asked to do weddings
.
Okay, yes, I've done severalfunerals, but'm still being
asked to do weddings.
Okay, yes, I've done severalfunerals, but I'm still asked to
do weddings.
And this one couple contactedme the other day and they're
avid readers, so they wanted toget married at the library.
So we checked it out but it wasall booked up.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I don't know.
All right, I'll give it to you.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I had to think about it, to me that was a.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I had to think here oh all right, anything else no,
we need elisa here she come outwith some good ones she had some
good ones.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
She had some help, you know, with their books she
did.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
I only have help with about 40.
Oh my gosh you've heard us talkabout it.
Dr Posey has like the wholeside of the podcast table over.
There is all jokes, right.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
I have one page of biblical research and eight
pages of dad jokes.
Yes, that's exactly right, butyou know, you know well, I
should tell people about my book.
You should tell people about mybook you should.
Yeah, yeah, so um, it's beenvery normal for years that I
(34:02):
dream almost every night yeahand so I started dreaming about
a year and a half ago.
I just started having thisdream and I had.
This was weird, as I had thesame dream every night for weeks
, which is crazy.
Which is crazy, and it was very,very vivid.
Okay, so I finally decided towrite it down and I thought oh,
this is a nice little story,I'll give it to Diana as a story
(34:24):
.
Well, I finished writing thatdown and I'm a horrible typist,
so it took me a long time totype it and I just did a Word
document.
Well, as soon as I finishedtyping it, the next night I had
another dream, which was asequel to that one, and I typed
that one, and then I had anotherdream that was a sequel and
(34:46):
that literally started inJanuary a year ago and ended
last October, and it ended upbeing a book of 554 pages.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
It just got published about two months ago.
Well, really on Mother's Day, Igave it to Diana for Mother's
Day and it's called the CandleMaker and it's a historical
romantic fiction book about acouple just pre-World War II,
(35:20):
and it's just a dream, I mean,it was just, I just wrote it
down.
Yeah, it got published byAmazon.
It's on Amazon now and ifyou're on IngramSparks that's
another competitor Amazon it'son IngramSparks.
You can get that.
And yeah, I enjoyed it and Istill dream, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah, get that pen and paper out.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yeah, it's like you never know what's going to come
to your brain.
But the other night I had thisdream about being a muffler and
I woke up exhausted.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Anyway, he really does have a book Check him out
the Candlemaker Very good.
That's still an amazing thingand I have dreams and I write
them down but usually don't turninto a book that maybe I should
get onto it.
I've got about three bookshalfway wrote so I just need to
finish one of them and get it upthere.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Well, I worked with a great team with Amazon, and
they edited it.
Our daughter Tricia, who's aphenomenal person with English
language she has really a greatgift she was my initial editor.
But we didn't know how to editit for a book.
For a book, you know, for amanuscript, just as a Word
(36:38):
document, yes, but as a book, no.
We didn't know that.
So we reached out and Amazonedited it, put it in a book form
.
They did the cover art, youknow, and all that kind of stuff
.
It was a great team and so itwas a good experience.
It took a little longer than Ithought because I was
inexperienced in that process,right, but it came out here just
(37:01):
literally two months ago andI'm excited, I'm really excited.
So catch it if you need, and Itell people, if you have a
problem going to sleep, orderthe book, read one or two pages
and it'll put you right to sleep.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
It's that simple, right.
It's just that simple.
Yeah, all right, all right, man.
Well, guys, get the book, checkus out
biblicalleadershipshowcom.
Let us know what we can do foryou.
We will come back and hopefully, maybe we'll continue to talk
about it.
We'll continue to talk aboutLuke, chapter 11.
(37:36):
Yeah, chapter 11.
We may or may not get throughit, but at least you got next
week and maybe the week after onLuke and then come back and see
us, shoot us an email, shoot usa text, all that stuff.
But other than that, dr P, takeus out, make it a great day,
thank you.
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