January 21, 2025 • 38 mins
Is it possible to lead like the prophets of old in our modern world? Join us as we explore the timeless leadership lessons from the books of Isaiah and Micah, offering insights for church and business leaders alike. Discover how these ancient texts urge us to abandon false idols and embrace authentic leadership, with messages of hope shining through the challenges. We dive into well-loved passages such as Isaiah 9 and 53, alongside Micah 6:8, unpacking their guidance on justice, faithfulness, and humility. And yes, we'll keep it light-hearted with a few dad jokes sprinkled throughout to ensure an enjoyable journey through these prophetic teachings.
Inspired by Isaiah, we discuss the necessity of accountability and staying true to one's goals amidst life's storms. Reflecting on Isaiah's leadership during times of upheaval, we draw parallels to today's organizational challenges, emphasizing the need for honesty without harsh judgment. We'll share personal growth strategies, like establishing disciplined morning routines, that can transform leadership effectiveness. By looking to a higher power for guidance, much as Isaiah did, we explore how leaders can find the clarity and strength they need to navigate difficult paths with grace.
Moving on to Micah's teachings, we highlight the crucial role of humility in leadership. Through real-life examples, we demonstrate how arrogance can alienate teams and undermine success. We'll underscore the importance of recognizing personal limits, valuing team contributions, and welcoming feedback to cultivate a collaborative environment. Finally, we reflect on finding the balance between driving profits and genuinely caring for people, inspired by Micah 6:8. Tune in to discover how prioritizing your team's well-being can lead to unexpected and fulfilling success.
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Let's do it, Dr Bozy All right Tim Welcome, welcome,
welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Welcome, welcome welcome.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
One other exciting episode of the Biblical
Leadership Show.
I don't know why that's just sofun.
It's just so fun every weekjust to have fun doing that.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I think it's awesome.
I think it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
How are?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
you doing this week Dr.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
P I am doing just fantastic.
Oh my gosh, it's a good week.
Yeah, looking forward to a goodweek here.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yesterday, MLK Day.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yesterday, mlk Day.
Yeah, taking MLK Day Yesterday.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
MLK Day.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, taking, you know, getting back in the swing
of things today, yeah, but youknow, if you haven't been
following us, I think youhopefully have.
But we're doing our continue,our series of a year long
leadership, taking each chaptersof the Bible and tying that
into leadership lessons that youcan use in today's world for
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church, for business, for allthe above, and tying it in with
a little dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yes, or a lot of dad jokes, a little bit of Bible.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yeah, there you go a little bit of that.
Dr Pease, I think you heardlast week he got a little
Christmas present, so he's allexcited about dad jokes.
I got a dad joke calendar, he'sgot a dad joke calendar and he
is all excited about those.
How's everything going?
(01:55):
Good, good.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Very good.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Very good, yeah good.
What are we talking about thisweek?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
We're going to talk about Isaiah and Micah.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Isaiah and Micah.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, Now Isaiah, one of the longest, you know.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, that's fine, I can do it Longest books right
Longest book.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
yeah, yeah, all right .
Speaker 1 (02:17):
It's like its own little reading on its side right
.
Print it out and go from there.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
One of the things I forgot to say last week because
I was introducing the prophets,which we're on right now and if
this is the first time thatyou're listening to us, thank
you so much for joining us onthis journey together.
And so, as we look at the OldTestament, the last part of the
Old Testament after the Song ofSolomon, we're not doing all the
books in order.
We are trying to get all thisdone by the end of the summer,
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and so the book of Revelationwill be our 100th episode.
I think that's kind of exciting,and so we had to put two books
together in the last part of theOld Testament.
So we're putting today, we'reputting Isaiah and Micah
together and some incrediblelessons from those books.
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We won't have time to get toall of them, but it's important
to say and I didn't say thislast week and that was my
mistake was that all theprophets in the Old Testament
have some type of similar theme,and that is they're confronting
the nation for worshiping falsegods and relying upon other
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gods other than the one true God.
And so there's a lot of gloomand doom in the prophets and
sometimes it's very hard to keepreading that chapter after
chapter after chapter.
But somewhere in each one ofthose prophets there is a
message of hope, and sometimesit's obvious, sometimes it's not
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so obvious.
So just be aware that there isa message of hope.
It's not all gloom and doom,and the prophets are clearly
wanting the people to turn backto the one true God, and the
hope is if they do that, thenGod will restore the nation.
And now they have to pay theconsequences of their actions.
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But as that consequences aredone, then God wants to restore
them, and that's exactly whatthe message is all about, and so
?
But in the book of Isaiah andMicah, some of the most quoted
passages in the Bible are fromthose two books especially.
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We just finished the Christmasseason, so you look at the book
of Isaiah and chapter 9, whenthere's a prophecy about the
Prince of Peace, and so Isaiah53, with the suffering servant,
and Isaiah 65, with God's planfor ultimate renewal, and then
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you look at Micah 6, 8, whenMicah says oh, he's told you
what is good, that the Lordrequires of you to act justly,
to love faithfulness and to walkhumbly before your God.
So there's some just incrediblepassages in this book, and when
we read them, we don't justwant to read them and just say,
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okay, let's just read them toget through.
No, there's a message there forus today, and so we're going to
focus on some of the leadershipprinciples that we see are in
those books and we look forwardto it.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
So, yeah, I don't know if we need to do a dad joke
before we get started.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Well, I mean, I sort of figured that's the only way
to really can do it right.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Okay, so do you all ever go bowling?
Our kids call it play bowling,I mean, you play football.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I like the bowling you play, baseball you play
basketball.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Why don't you play bowling?
I mean, you go bowling.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Right, it's like you play golf.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
But I'm trying to think what other sport do you
just go?
I mean, it's like no, I'mplaying hockey, I'm playing
whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Go-karting.
Go-karting there you go, therewe go.
That's not even a dad joke, butthat was a good one.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
So let's talk about going bowling.
Okay, what kind of vegetablenever bowls a strike?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
What kind of vegetable never bowls a strike?
What kind of vegetable neverbowls a strike?
Do not know.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Asparagus.
Yeah, I knew I was going to getthe yellow button, all right.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Okay, you got one more here, I've got one more.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
All right, it's not, it's, it's, it's.
You better be careful, becausethis one is maybe a little bit
on the edge.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Oh, okay, dr Posey going edgy on me.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, dad, what's your favorite word?
What's your favorite word?
This is a kid talking to hisdad.
Dad, what's your favorite word?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, word, this is a kid talking to his dad.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Dad, what's your favorite word?
Yeah, I don't know.
He goes, my favorite word isdrool, it rolls right off the
tongue.
There you go, I'll give youthat one.
Okay, let's just skip that one.
Let's erase that one from thepodcast.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, that's all right, I like that one.
It wasn't too bad.
I like the go-karting one thebest that was got a plan.
I like that one.
It wasn't too bad, it wasn'tthe other one.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Okay.
Yeah, it wasn't like.
Some other ones were good.
I like the go-karting one, thebest right, that was a good one.
That was really good.
That was spontaneous.
That wasn't even written down,it wasn't Okay, all right.
So, Isaiah, isaiah.
So one of the themes of Isaiah,just like in the other prophets
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, is holding people accountable,Right, and so if you want to
move forward in yourorganization, you've got to
focus on the goal, and so thegoal for Isaiah was to turn back
to the worship of the one trueGod, and obviously the leaders
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of the country weren't doingthat, so he wanted to hold them
accountable.
And so the question is how dowe hold people accountable in an
organization without being socondemning?
We can be honest without beingcondemning.
Now, it might come across ascondemning because if we're the
recipient of that, come acrossas condemning because if we're
the recipient of that, but weneed to be very objective
instead of subjective, and so Ithink that's what Isaiah was
trying to do.
He was trying to be veryobjective.
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This is what you have beendoing, this is what you need to
be doing.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
And this was during a lot of political turmoil going
on and a lot of spiritualdecline.
I guess in a way right yes,that's a nice way to say it Very
much spiritual decline of thecountry.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
The leaders of the country were leading in that.
Now Isaiah and one of the mostamazing passages in the whole
Old Testament is Isaiah, chapter6, when he has this vision from
God and he has this vision of aholy God, and then he realizes,
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in the presence of a holy God,he's very unworthy to do what he
feels he needs to do.
And the angel comes and toucheshis tongue with a coal from the
altar and he says you know, I'mgoing to commission you to do
that.
And the Lord, you know, sayswho's going to ascend?
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And Isaiah says well, here I am, send me.
And so what a great thing oflesson is that sometimes we are
called into leadership, to beleaders in a very difficult
situation.
And Isaiah was called to dothat and he knew he can only do
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it under the power and strengthof God.
And so the question we have toask our leaders is when you are
facing a difficult situation,whatever that situation is okay
where does your strength comefrom to do that?
Where does your wisdom comefrom to do that?
And so I would just challengethose people who are listening
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to examine where am I getting mystrength?
Where am I getting my wisdom?
Where am I getting my wisdom?
Where am I getting my advice?
Where do I go to when theproblem or the situation is just
so overwhelming I don't evenknow where to start?
And that's where Isaiah was,and his solution was you rely
upon God, and God's going todirect your path.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
He's going to do that .
Yeah, it's sort of like a rallycry for, you know, leaders and
servants, you know, and in a wayyou know, step up and and make
it happen.
And you know he was.
He was trying to prepareeverybody for the coming Messiah
isn't what they're trying tosay.
You know, sort of get prepared.
You know it's coming,judgment's coming and here's
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what we need to do.
So I think he stepped up in atime that was difficult.
And how many times people lookat you know the people that have
stepped up and we've talkedmany times about COVID.
You know people that stepped upand how we evolved through some
of those things and through theturmoil of some of the stuff
going on in the world.
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You know, think about leadersthat have stepped up and done
things.
And it's a calling.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
It is a calling.
So let's just think aboutsomething when a leader deals
with a difficult situation okayand I shared this before we
started today a show prep and Iread an article not too long ago
about nine things highlydisciplined people do before 8
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o'clock in the morning and I wasjust fascinated because it's
like wow, so true.
I wish I had learned this manyyears ago when I was first
starting out, but I hadn't.
I incorporated many of thesepractices just because of trial
and error, and one of the thenumber one on the list was
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getting up early.
Now, when we're dealing with adifficult situation.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Did you say something yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I used to be a night person, yeah me too.
I'd stay up.
It's hard to go to sleep.
I'd sleep in and I realized ifI'm going to be effective in my
job, I need to start being amorning person.
That took a while.
I asked God to help me be amorning person.
So over time that happened, butthat was like the number one
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thing.
And in all of these nine things,my question would be if you're
going through a difficultchallenge and we've all been
there as leaders if you haven'tbeen there, then it's going to
come.
The question is, how high apriority is self-care during
that particular time of yourlife?
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And sometimes those challengingthings happen for a week,
Sometimes they last for a month,Sometimes they happen for a
year.
But self-care is so importantbecause it's like taking care of
someone who's sick in yourfamily.
If the caregiver doesn't takecare of themselves, then the
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caregiver gets sick and thenthey're not good to anybody.
So if the leader does notpractice self-care, then the
organization's going to suffer.
And so you know, working 20hours a day, seven days a week,
you know, if that lasts too long, then you're going to break
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down, You're not going to makegood decisions, your mind's
going to be tired.
You know you might be on theedge, grumpy-wise, and so
self-care is so important.
So getting up early.
The next thing was to exercise.
Even if you go and walk for 15,20 minutes, just do something
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to take care of your body.
Clear your mind, Just do sometype of exercise.
Those were the first two things.
We'll get to other things inthe weeks to come, but I just
think the whole thing ofself-care is so important as
leaders if we're going to beeffective over time.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, I mean you've got one body.
I always tell people you've gotto take care of you.
We always try to put otherthings first, prior to you, and
sometimes you know if you, ifyou can't get out of bed, then
you're going to have a toughtime touching others.
So you always have toprioritize you and and think
about the self-care you know andand it's exercise, it's mental,
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it's, it's all kinds of stuffis coincides with the taking
care and the self-care.
That's a that's a broadspectrum of self-care and and
we're all motivated by differentthings when it comes to
self-care too.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, and especially this time of year when it's cold
.
it might be snowy where you are,and so it's sometimes easier
when this time of year to getsick, or get a cold, or here in
Texas we have the mountain cedarcoming in here pretty quick and
a lot of allergies, and soyou've got to be at your best
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self health-wise, in order to beyour best self as a leader and
you might just be leading yourfamily.
You don't want to be down andout for weeks because you
haven't taken care of yourself,and it's very easy in a
stressful situation to put in.
So and I've done that, I'vemade that mistake too many times
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to put in so many hours, youjust literally wear out Speaking
of everything going good.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
You were Rudolph before Christmas.
Yes, I'm Rudolph.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Well, I did see the doctor, yesterday I'm going to
have some skin cancer removedfrom my nose here in about a
month.
Saw the doctor yesterday, it'sall you know.
Everything was going good, butI had to do a little chemo
treatment on my nose prior toEaster.
Yes, I mean prior to Christmas.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
And.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I was very red in the nose.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
He was.
Rudolph, good timing, I wasRudolph, I was very red, just
like your sweatshirt, walked in,I'm like, hey, did you dress up
for the show or what it's?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
almost gone, but the doctor was very pleased at the
progress, and so he just wantedto be sure all of the pre-cancer
skin was taken care of beforethey did that surgery so it
doesn't spread, and I justappreciate that.
So that's happening Februarythe 17th or something like that
have that removed one day andthen some plastic surgery the
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next day.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
And so just got to take care of your health, got to
take care of your body.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
You got to.
That way we can get you backtraining again.
You know full training.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, got to get back in the pool.
You know I just enjoyexercising and got a new bike
for Christmas.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I'm really excited about that I'm going bike
shopping here.
I'm going bike shopping here inthe next week or so.
Get me a new bike.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Get you a new bike, I just like it.
I really like exercising,swimming, biking, running, and I
haven't signed up for a NUXtriathlon.
So I was kind of waiting on thesurgery to see what's going on
with that and see how long it'sgoing to take to recover.
It shouldn't take too long, butI can't.
I can't get it wet, you know.
So I can't swim, I can't sweattoo bad, and and so we'll just
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kind of see how that goes, andthen I'll put something on the
calendar and we'll go from there.
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, I'm really excited.
I'm excited.
I got the kids' bikes forChristmas, so I've got to go get
me a new bike now, so they'restarting to get where they're
running away from me you know,yeah, exactly right.
I can't run that fast.
No, not yet Not ever, Neveryeah.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Maybe.
Well, let's get back to Isaiah.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
So one of the things that— that's what we do is we go
down past it.
It's either dad jokes or westories right.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
So glad to hear you're on the recovery trail.
I'm going to be there, and solet's just talk about Isaiah for
just a few more minutes.
One of the things that Godchallenged Isaiah to do was to
keep the vision in front of thepeople, the vision being
worshiping one true God.
So I think, as leaders, whetheryou're going through great
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times, going through difficulttimes, whatever time you're
going through right now one ofthe leader's jobs and we've
talked about this a lot is tokeep the vision in front of your
people and not just having iton the board, you know, in your
office or over the doorway whensomeone walks in, but to
verbalize that, to live that out, to remind people.
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And if your vision statement oryour mission statement is so
long that people can't memorizeit, it needs to be 10 words or
less.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
It does.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
You know, and so they know it, they own it, they can
recite it and you're walking toget some water in the water
cooler.
Someone everybody in theorganization should be able to
quote the vision and the missionand then be able to tell them
what part of their job isworking toward that goal.
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Yeah, and that should be veryeasily understood.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yeah, it should have clarity and the conviction
behind it.
You know, and we've said itmany times on here and in all my
seminars, if I got 50 people inmy class, maybe one person,
maybe two people really knowtheir vision statement or their
mission statement of yourcompany.
It's just not a thing.
But I'm like how?
And then, after I explain it tosome of these execs, I'm like
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how, how?
And then, after I explain it tosome of these execs, I'm like,
well, how?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
do you know?
Speaker 1 (19:50):
your employees are working towards what your
company goals are Right andthey're like, wow, that's a
great point.
I'm like, isn't that veryimportant?
I mean, you know, don't youwant them coming to work every
day and working towards thingsthat are going to benefit and
the things that you'veestablished, that you haven't
told them?
You know, and it just there's abig disconnect there in the
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corporate world.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yes, and it's such an important step to good
leadership and you don't have tocram it down people's throats,
but you should be able to, ifyou have a staff meeting
people's throats, but you shouldbe able to, if you have a staff
meeting, have someone else talkabout the vision and how they
are working toward that vision.
And if you hear that and youthink that's not exactly what I
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really am wanting them to do,then just don't confront them in
the middle of a bunch of people, just take them to the office,
have a private meeting with themand say let's talk about your
work.
You know, you said this.
I appreciate your honesty, Iappreciate what you're doing.
Let's tweak yourresponsibilities just a little
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bit to more line up with ourmission statement and our vision
statement, and you should beable, as the leader, to be able
to tell the whole organizationwhat you're doing that helps the
vision happen.
This is like what we talkedabout last week, that we should
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be able to talk the talk butwalk the walk, and so that
everything we do should be inline with accomplishing the
mission and the vision as well.
So not just, we just don't wantour people to do it, we want us
to be able to do that.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Exactly right.
Well, let's get into this, mica.
Mica, we're about halfway, alittle over halfway through here
, and you know MICA is a—.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Well, before we get to MICA.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Oh, before we get to MICah, oh, before we get to
Micah here.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Hold on what Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Just a little, you know foreshadowing.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Foreshadowing.
Yeah, that's probably good forthis dad joke.
Okay, so why are archaeologistsalways so annoyed?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Why are archaeologists always so annoyed
?
Yes, I do not know.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Because they always have a bone to pick.
All right, I'll give you that.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I was trying to think of where it was when are we
going with that?
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Where are?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
we going?
I was trying to because I likearchaeology a lot, so I was like
, all right, I can get this one,but I didn't have that one,
Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
so what do you call a mouse that swears?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Ooh, this could be a good one A mouse that swears I
do not know A cursor.
There we go.
I like that one.
That was actually pretty good.
I don't mind that one.
So I don't mind that, all right, micah.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Micah.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Yes, another one of the prophets.
Directed at Israel and Judah atthe time of moral and social
corruption.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yes, which is basically that whole period of
the history, is basically thatwhole period of the history.
And so he basically we're backto the same thing that Isaiah
wanted to do, in that he had avision that people should turn
back to God and he wanted tokeep that.
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He wanted people to beaccountable, he wanted the
leaders to be accountable and hewanted people keep that.
He wanted people to beaccountable, he wanted the
leaders to be accountable and hewanted people to be fair.
And so one of the very quotedit's not the most quoted verse
in the Old Testament, but it'sway up there is Micah 6.8.
And this is the quote, and thisis the quote humankind, God has
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told you what is good and whatit is.
The Lord requires of you to actjustly, to love faithfulness
and to walk humbly with your God.
Wow.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Right, yeah, that's just powerful.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
And so if you take that and just translate it into
leadership principles, let'stalk about just being humble.
You know, leadership is achallenge, it's a sacrifice.
But if we're a leader and itgoes to our head, that's going
to be a problem down the road.
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Going to be a problem down theroad.
Okay, so what if we are theleader of our scout troop or
we're the leader of our softballteam or bowling team or
whatever it may be, and we startgetting the big head that we're
the boss and other people haveto do what we say, then that's
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going to be a problem down theroad.
And the same thing is true withan organization, whether it's
for-profit, non-profit, if theleader is not humble.
I'm not saying you're a doormatand people run over you.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
No.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
But if you start thinking too highly of yourself,
that just leads to problemsdown the road.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah, I mean as definition of humble, you know
the adjective part, having orshowing a modest opinion of
one's own importance orabilities.
You know it's acknowledgingthose right, and I looked up to
characteristics in pre-show ofyou know, acknowledging your
personal limitations, valuingothers and their contributions,
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being open to feedback, which isimportant right, choosing
service over self-promotion.
And that's some of thecharacteristics of being, you
know, humble.
Humility is.
You know how are you doing it.
You know, a lot of times whenI'll take on a coaching client,
one of the things I have aquestionnaire I have them fill
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out and it has a lot of thisstuff on there about you know,
humility and stuff and a lot ofmy questions.
I've blended that in.
And then a lot of times, ifit's through a company or
something, I'll ask to meet withall the co-workers.
I just had a situation where itwas a supervisor had, you know,
10 people under it, so I met, Iasked to meet with all the
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employees and I had them fillout a similar questionnaire
based on this supervisor.
And a lot of times I can havethe questionnaire from the
person that I'm coaching and thequestionnaires from the
employees and I compare them andthat's where you usually see
this big difference and a lot oftimes it's it's because of this
, it's because of the arrogance,it's because of the I'm better
(26:36):
than everybody else in thedepartment, and a lot of times
that comes up as the disconnectin business and and uh, you know
.
But if you ask the, thecoaching client, straight up,
they're like no, everything'sgood, my employees love me and
all this stuff.
But as soon as you see thosetwo surveys side by side, that
really tells the tale.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yes, and it's probably one of the least
acknowledgeable things to see inourself, because it's so easy
to be prideful, it's so easy tothink more of ourself than we
should, but it's alsodestructive.
And it's just like they say,you know, putting a frog in a
(27:20):
pot of cold water and thenheating it up.
It just happens over time.
You know, we get a little bitof responsibility and then we
get more responsibility and westart thinking, oh yeah, we
deserve this.
And these commercials ontelevision now and on the radio
when they talk about, well, youdeserve this, that just drives
me crazy.
(27:40):
It's like, really, I deserve anew couch, I deserve this, I
deserve a.
It's's like I don't see myselfas deserving it, but sometimes
we get in that as leaders, yeah,we deserve that, we deserve
this promotion.
We deserve this salary, wedeserve these perks.
We deserve that because we'rejust so good, and once that
(28:01):
happens, we're setting ourselfup for some real serious issues.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, maybe you deserve another piece of coffee.
Yeah, and I brought you some.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I wouldn't say this last week, I should have said it
last week.
So we have a friend that's fromWisconsin.
Those of you in the northernpart of the country you might
know what I'm talking aboutsponge candy, sponge candy.
Yeah, it's so unique.
I've talking about sponge candy, sponge candy.
Yeah, it's so unique, I'venever eaten anything like it.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It is very unique.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
The inside of it looks like a sponge it just does
, and then it's covered withchocolate.
How can you Anything coveredwith chocolate?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
is going to be good, right?
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Anything covered with chocolate is good, and they
have dark chocolate, which iswhat I brought you, and they
have light chocolate.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
And it's just good.
It's just really really good.
Now the inside is real crunchy.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
It is.
I sort of did it from like aWhopper yeah a Whopper, Except
it's a lot bigger than a Whopperyeah, a lot bigger than a
Whopper, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
But yeah, it was very yummy.
So kudos out to your friends.
Yeah, sponge candy.
Yeah, absolutely so, it wasreally good and sorry.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
It's all gone, it doesn't stay long it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
It's sort of like my toffee right, yeah, and it's
only seasonal, you can't buy itall year long.
You can only buy it during theChristmas season.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Yeah, so if you don't order enough, then just like
hatch chili Too bad so sad.
You better get them about themiddle to the end of August, or
maybe the middle of September.
After that they're gone.
Right, and it was so good, sogood.
I made chili rellenos overChristmas.
Oh, that's so good.
(29:41):
Yes, and let's get back toMicah.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
We're going down the hunger phase here, okay, so
we're talking about humility.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
And in that humility comes caring for your people.
Um, sometimes we project thefact that we're we care more
about the goals than we do aboutthe people.
We care more about the bottomline profit than we care about
the employees, we care moreabout winning than we do the
(30:12):
members on our team, and so Ithink that's a priority issue.
Um, and?
And so the question is, what dowe really focus on?
What is our primary goal?
Yes, we have to be.
If we have shareholders and allthat kind of stuff, we have to
be responsible to theshareholders.
But the question is, are wecaring more about the goal, the
(30:35):
vision and the bottom lineprofit, or do we care more about
our people?
And if we care more about thepeople, they'll know it and your
profit's going to be higher.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Profit's going to follow.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, your shareholders are going to be
happy.
A lot of times that doesn'thappen, and that's just, I think
, a sign of bad leadership.
Yeah, so Micah was saying hey,you got to care for the people.
You know, you can't just carefor yourself, you can't just
care for your wealth and yourpower.
You've got to care for thepeople in the country Right, the
(31:06):
poor especially, but all thepeople and you've got to treat
them fairly.
That's what Micah 6.8 was allabout, is, you know, you've got
to walk humbly, you've got totreat people kindly, treat
everybody fairly.
And so I think what a greatleadership lesson that is from
that book.
It's a small book, but it's gota powerful lesson.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Yeah, very powerful book, all right.
Well, I think we're wrapping upthe end of the show here, you
could see this he's got like acontrol panel of dad jokes all
the way around him.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
I just don't have the monitor up with dad jokes yeah,
I know the best 1,000 dad jokeson the planet.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Now, that would be awesome.
Oh man, maybe we have to putsomething together.
We should put that in there.
They wouldn't get any points.
We wouldn't be able to put thattogether because we don't have
any best dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
So we're coming down to the end of the football
season here, yeah, so we've gotthe Super Bowl coming up here in
just a few weeks.
That's going to be an excitinggame, as it always is.
But talking about professionalsports, okay, now here in
Dallas-Fort Worth, we are soblessed to have so many amazing
(32:15):
professional teams.
We've got a few Baseballfootball basketball hockey We've
got some really good teams.
Okay, We've got a few Baseball,football, basketball, hockey.
We've got some really goodteams.
I wanted to try to put aprofessional hide-and-seek team,
you know but good players aretoo hard to find.
I knew where that one was going.
(32:36):
But that makes it a good dadjoke, right, that makes a good
dad joke, huh, oh.
Oh, you got one that makes agood joke.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Huh, oh, oh, you got one.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
You know I have many of them that you know there's
yeah, just don't know if they'regood, they're bad.
So I saw a book.
You know I'm trying to readmore on my Kindle than I am
actually buying books, becausewith a Kindle you can check them
out from the library and readthem and then turn it back in.
It's really great.
But I saw a book the other dayand I almost bought it, but it
was a step-by-step guide on howto climb stairs.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yeah, step-by-step, huh, step-by-step guide.
How did that go?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
it went down, but sales are up.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
My sales are up, yeah oh my gosh, what else you got
there I I don't know if I shoulddo anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I think I've kind of run my limit for the day.
Maybe not.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
I just think in the first of the year I was reading
a passage and it made me thinkabout writing a book, because I
need to write a book.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
You need to write a book.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
And I'm in the process of writing one.
But I thought about Okay,that's good, you know mine's
very specific because it's aboutwhat I'm going to be speaking
on.
And I thought about writinganother book on dieting.
Oh, Because it'll appeal to awide audience.
Yeah, it should.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Hey, before we go now , last week I talked about some
habits that highly disciplinedpeople do before 8 o'clock in
the morning.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Okay, now some things .
You think I can't exercise.
I'm traveling.
Well, that might be true.
You might be able to just walkup and down the hallway of the
hotel or stay in a hotel that'sgot an exercise room or
something the hallway of thehotel, or stay in a hotel that's
got an exercise room orsomething.
But here's one thing you can do, no matter where you stay if
you're on vacation, if you're ona business trip or whatever.
(34:48):
But number three so last week Italked about two things.
Number one highly disciplinedpeople do before eight o'clock
in the morning.
They rise early, they get upearly.
That means they probably haveto go to bed late.
You can't just get two or threehours sleep.
I used to do that and it wouldwear me out.
They exercise.
Number three is they hydrate.
They drink plenty of water.
(35:11):
They don't just drink energydrinks, you know, sports drinks,
stuff like that.
They actually drink water andthere's a formula.
You know so many glasses a daydepending upon your size and all
that kind of stuff.
But you can do that regardlessof where you are, how much
(35:31):
you're traveling.
You can take care of yourhydration needs.
And I listen to a lot ofpodcasts as I'm trying to, you
know, get ready for my nexttriathlon.
Whenever that is, and almostevery single podcast, at some
point they talk about theimportance of hydration, because
if you're hydrated, yourblood's you know better and you
(35:53):
just feel better.
Now it takes a while.
You can't just go from drinkingnothing to drinking a gallon a
day.
That just doesn't work.
You've got to build up to it.
But you can hydrate.
I'm talking about water.
I'm not talking about drinkingtwo cups, four gallons of coffee
, drink water, and it takes awhile to get used to that.
(36:16):
And so that's one of the goals Ihave for this year is to get my
hydration level up to theproper amount, which is about 96
ounces of water a day, and if Iexercise it needs to be a
little bit more than that.
But I'm not there.
I want to get there and it justtakes a time, you know.
(36:36):
So it's like, okay, I can add acup a week, just add a little
bit more every week, andeventually you know I'll get up
there.
So I think that was good adviceand you just feel better when
you're hydrated.
You're not dragging down,you're not so tired, and so I
just encourage people to justget.
(36:57):
You know, look up what's rightfor you and there's so many
things out there.
But normally it's so manyounces per every pound of body
weight, and for me I'm about 185pounds, so it's 96 ounces of
water.
And so it's like, yeah, I'llget there.
(37:18):
Right now I'm about 70 ouncesof water a day.
I just need to get up to 96.
So that's one of my goals forthe year and I invite you all to
join me.
Nice, yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
I drink a lot of water.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
I actually drink, you do.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
I drink a lot of water.
I actually drink a lot of waterduring the night, believe it or
not, so I probably go through32 ounces plus of water every
night.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Really yeah, wow.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
From when I go to bed I'll get up and maybe pee once
and chug another glass of waterand get up and get on my day.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, it wakes me up in the morning and gets me up.
That's really really good.
It's really good for yourhealth, of course.
Yeah, I do like my coffee too,though.
Yeah, coffee, that's the wholekey, all right.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Well, let's let the people go today, all right.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Well, have a great day.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Have a great week.
Check us outbiblicalleadershipshowcom.
Send us any prayer requests youmight have, or anything good
dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Please send us some good dad jokes.
Not, you're gonna listen to therest of the all the stuff,
right?
Speaker 1 (38:21):
yeah, yeah, exactly right, we got a whole lot.
I've got a lot of dad jokeshere, other than that, dr p,
take us out.
Hey, make it a great day.
Let's do it, Dr Bozy All right Tim Welcome, welcome,
welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Welcome, welcome welcome.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
One other exciting episode of the Biblical
Leadership Show.
I don't know why that's just sofun.
It's just so fun every weekjust to have fun doing that.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I think it's awesome.
I think it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
How are?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
you doing this week Dr.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
P I am doing just fantastic.
Oh my gosh, it's a good week.
Yeah, looking forward to a goodweek here.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yesterday, MLK Day.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yesterday, mlk Day.
Yeah, taking MLK Day Yesterday.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
MLK Day.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, taking, you know, getting back in the swing
of things today, yeah, but youknow, if you haven't been
following us, I think youhopefully have.
But we're doing our continue,our series of a year long
leadership, taking each chaptersof the Bible and tying that
into leadership lessons that youcan use in today's world for
(01:24):
church, for business, for allthe above, and tying it in with
a little dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yes, or a lot of dad jokes, a little bit of Bible.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yeah, there you go a little bit of that.
Dr Pease, I think you heardlast week he got a little
Christmas present, so he's allexcited about dad jokes.
I got a dad joke calendar, he'sgot a dad joke calendar and he
is all excited about those.
How's everything going?
(01:55):
Good, good.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Very good.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Very good, yeah good.
What are we talking about thisweek?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
We're going to talk about Isaiah and Micah.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Isaiah and Micah.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, Now Isaiah, one of the longest, you know.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, that's fine, I can do it Longest books right
Longest book.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
yeah, yeah, all right .
Speaker 1 (02:17):
It's like its own little reading on its side right
.
Print it out and go from there.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
One of the things I forgot to say last week because
I was introducing the prophets,which we're on right now and if
this is the first time thatyou're listening to us, thank
you so much for joining us onthis journey together.
And so, as we look at the OldTestament, the last part of the
Old Testament after the Song ofSolomon, we're not doing all the
books in order.
We are trying to get all thisdone by the end of the summer,
(02:47):
and so the book of Revelationwill be our 100th episode.
I think that's kind of exciting,and so we had to put two books
together in the last part of theOld Testament.
So we're putting today, we'reputting Isaiah and Micah
together and some incrediblelessons from those books.
(03:08):
We won't have time to get toall of them, but it's important
to say and I didn't say thislast week and that was my
mistake was that all theprophets in the Old Testament
have some type of similar theme,and that is they're confronting
the nation for worshiping falsegods and relying upon other
(03:31):
gods other than the one true God.
And so there's a lot of gloomand doom in the prophets and
sometimes it's very hard to keepreading that chapter after
chapter after chapter.
But somewhere in each one ofthose prophets there is a
message of hope, and sometimesit's obvious, sometimes it's not
(03:52):
so obvious.
So just be aware that there isa message of hope.
It's not all gloom and doom,and the prophets are clearly
wanting the people to turn backto the one true God, and the
hope is if they do that, thenGod will restore the nation.
And now they have to pay theconsequences of their actions.
(04:15):
But as that consequences aredone, then God wants to restore
them, and that's exactly whatthe message is all about, and so
?
But in the book of Isaiah andMicah, some of the most quoted
passages in the Bible are fromthose two books especially.
(04:36):
We just finished the Christmasseason, so you look at the book
of Isaiah and chapter 9, whenthere's a prophecy about the
Prince of Peace, and so Isaiah53, with the suffering servant,
and Isaiah 65, with God's planfor ultimate renewal, and then
(04:58):
you look at Micah 6, 8, whenMicah says oh, he's told you
what is good, that the Lordrequires of you to act justly,
to love faithfulness and to walkhumbly before your God.
So there's some just incrediblepassages in this book, and when
we read them, we don't justwant to read them and just say,
(05:20):
okay, let's just read them toget through.
No, there's a message there forus today, and so we're going to
focus on some of the leadershipprinciples that we see are in
those books and we look forwardto it.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
So, yeah, I don't know if we need to do a dad joke
before we get started.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Well, I mean, I sort of figured that's the only way
to really can do it right.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Okay, so do you all ever go bowling?
Our kids call it play bowling,I mean, you play football.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I like the bowling you play, baseball you play
basketball.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Why don't you play bowling?
I mean, you go bowling.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Right, it's like you play golf.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
But I'm trying to think what other sport do you
just go?
I mean, it's like no, I'mplaying hockey, I'm playing
whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Go-karting.
Go-karting there you go, therewe go.
That's not even a dad joke, butthat was a good one.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
So let's talk about going bowling.
Okay, what kind of vegetablenever bowls a strike?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
What kind of vegetable never bowls a strike?
What kind of vegetable neverbowls a strike?
Do not know.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Asparagus.
Yeah, I knew I was going to getthe yellow button, all right.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Okay, you got one more here, I've got one more.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
All right, it's not, it's, it's, it's.
You better be careful, becausethis one is maybe a little bit
on the edge.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Oh, okay, dr Posey going edgy on me.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, dad, what's your favorite word?
What's your favorite word?
This is a kid talking to hisdad.
Dad, what's your favorite word?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, word, this is a kid talking to his dad.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Dad, what's your favorite word?
Yeah, I don't know.
He goes, my favorite word isdrool, it rolls right off the
tongue.
There you go, I'll give youthat one.
Okay, let's just skip that one.
Let's erase that one from thepodcast.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, that's all right, I like that one.
It wasn't too bad.
I like the go-karting one thebest that was got a plan.
I like that one.
It wasn't too bad, it wasn'tthe other one.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Okay.
Yeah, it wasn't like.
Some other ones were good.
I like the go-karting one, thebest right, that was a good one.
That was really good.
That was spontaneous.
That wasn't even written down,it wasn't Okay, all right.
So, Isaiah, isaiah.
So one of the themes of Isaiah,just like in the other prophets
(07:47):
, is holding people accountable,Right, and so if you want to
move forward in yourorganization, you've got to
focus on the goal, and so thegoal for Isaiah was to turn back
to the worship of the one trueGod, and obviously the leaders
(08:11):
of the country weren't doingthat, so he wanted to hold them
accountable.
And so the question is how dowe hold people accountable in an
organization without being socondemning?
We can be honest without beingcondemning.
Now, it might come across ascondemning because if we're the
recipient of that, come acrossas condemning because if we're
the recipient of that, but weneed to be very objective
instead of subjective, and so Ithink that's what Isaiah was
trying to do.
He was trying to be veryobjective.
(08:32):
This is what you have beendoing, this is what you need to
be doing.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
And this was during a lot of political turmoil going
on and a lot of spiritualdecline.
I guess in a way right yes,that's a nice way to say it Very
much spiritual decline of thecountry.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
The leaders of the country were leading in that.
Now Isaiah and one of the mostamazing passages in the whole
Old Testament is Isaiah, chapter6, when he has this vision from
God and he has this vision of aholy God, and then he realizes,
(09:08):
in the presence of a holy God,he's very unworthy to do what he
feels he needs to do.
And the angel comes and toucheshis tongue with a coal from the
altar and he says you know, I'mgoing to commission you to do
that.
And the Lord, you know, sayswho's going to ascend?
(09:32):
And Isaiah says well, here I am, send me.
And so what a great thing oflesson is that sometimes we are
called into leadership, to beleaders in a very difficult
situation.
And Isaiah was called to dothat and he knew he can only do
(09:55):
it under the power and strengthof God.
And so the question we have toask our leaders is when you are
facing a difficult situation,whatever that situation is okay
where does your strength comefrom to do that?
Where does your wisdom comefrom to do that?
And so I would just challengethose people who are listening
(10:19):
to examine where am I getting mystrength?
Where am I getting my wisdom?
Where am I getting my wisdom?
Where am I getting my advice?
Where do I go to when theproblem or the situation is just
so overwhelming I don't evenknow where to start?
And that's where Isaiah was,and his solution was you rely
upon God, and God's going todirect your path.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
He's going to do that .
Yeah, it's sort of like a rallycry for, you know, leaders and
servants, you know, and in a wayyou know, step up and and make
it happen.
And you know he was.
He was trying to prepareeverybody for the coming Messiah
isn't what they're trying tosay.
You know, sort of get prepared.
You know it's coming,judgment's coming and here's
(11:04):
what we need to do.
So I think he stepped up in atime that was difficult.
And how many times people lookat you know the people that have
stepped up and we've talkedmany times about COVID.
You know people that stepped upand how we evolved through some
of those things and through theturmoil of some of the stuff
going on in the world.
(11:24):
You know, think about leadersthat have stepped up and done
things.
And it's a calling.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
It is a calling.
So let's just think aboutsomething when a leader deals
with a difficult situation okayand I shared this before we
started today a show prep and Iread an article not too long ago
about nine things highlydisciplined people do before 8
(11:55):
o'clock in the morning and I wasjust fascinated because it's
like wow, so true.
I wish I had learned this manyyears ago when I was first
starting out, but I hadn't.
I incorporated many of thesepractices just because of trial
and error, and one of the thenumber one on the list was
(12:16):
getting up early.
Now, when we're dealing with adifficult situation.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Did you say something yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I used to be a night person, yeah me too.
I'd stay up.
It's hard to go to sleep.
I'd sleep in and I realized ifI'm going to be effective in my
job, I need to start being amorning person.
That took a while.
I asked God to help me be amorning person.
So over time that happened, butthat was like the number one
(12:52):
thing.
And in all of these nine things,my question would be if you're
going through a difficultchallenge and we've all been
there as leaders if you haven'tbeen there, then it's going to
come.
The question is, how high apriority is self-care during
that particular time of yourlife?
(13:12):
And sometimes those challengingthings happen for a week,
Sometimes they last for a month,Sometimes they happen for a
year.
But self-care is so importantbecause it's like taking care of
someone who's sick in yourfamily.
If the caregiver doesn't takecare of themselves, then the
(13:34):
caregiver gets sick and thenthey're not good to anybody.
So if the leader does notpractice self-care, then the
organization's going to suffer.
And so you know, working 20hours a day, seven days a week,
you know, if that lasts too long, then you're going to break
(13:54):
down, You're not going to makegood decisions, your mind's
going to be tired.
You know you might be on theedge, grumpy-wise, and so
self-care is so important.
So getting up early.
The next thing was to exercise.
Even if you go and walk for 15,20 minutes, just do something
(14:15):
to take care of your body.
Clear your mind, Just do sometype of exercise.
Those were the first two things.
We'll get to other things inthe weeks to come, but I just
think the whole thing ofself-care is so important as
leaders if we're going to beeffective over time.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, I mean you've got one body.
I always tell people you've gotto take care of you.
We always try to put otherthings first, prior to you, and
sometimes you know if you, ifyou can't get out of bed, then
you're going to have a toughtime touching others.
So you always have toprioritize you and and think
about the self-care you know andand it's exercise, it's mental,
(14:56):
it's, it's all kinds of stuffis coincides with the taking
care and the self-care.
That's a that's a broadspectrum of self-care and and
we're all motivated by differentthings when it comes to
self-care too.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, and especially this time of year when it's cold
.
it might be snowy where you are,and so it's sometimes easier
when this time of year to getsick, or get a cold, or here in
Texas we have the mountain cedarcoming in here pretty quick and
a lot of allergies, and soyou've got to be at your best
(15:30):
self health-wise, in order to beyour best self as a leader and
you might just be leading yourfamily.
You don't want to be down andout for weeks because you
haven't taken care of yourself,and it's very easy in a
stressful situation to put in.
So and I've done that, I'vemade that mistake too many times
(15:50):
to put in so many hours, youjust literally wear out Speaking
of everything going good.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
You were Rudolph before Christmas.
Yes, I'm Rudolph.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Well, I did see the doctor, yesterday I'm going to
have some skin cancer removedfrom my nose here in about a
month.
Saw the doctor yesterday, it'sall you know.
Everything was going good, butI had to do a little chemo
treatment on my nose prior toEaster.
Yes, I mean prior to Christmas.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
And.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I was very red in the nose.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
He was.
Rudolph, good timing, I wasRudolph, I was very red, just
like your sweatshirt, walked in,I'm like, hey, did you dress up
for the show or what it's?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
almost gone, but the doctor was very pleased at the
progress, and so he just wantedto be sure all of the pre-cancer
skin was taken care of beforethey did that surgery so it
doesn't spread, and I justappreciate that.
So that's happening Februarythe 17th or something like that
have that removed one day andthen some plastic surgery the
(16:51):
next day.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
And so just got to take care of your health, got to
take care of your body.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
You got to.
That way we can get you backtraining again.
You know full training.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, got to get back in the pool.
You know I just enjoyexercising and got a new bike
for Christmas.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I'm really excited about that I'm going bike
shopping here.
I'm going bike shopping here inthe next week or so.
Get me a new bike.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Get you a new bike, I just like it.
I really like exercising,swimming, biking, running, and I
haven't signed up for a NUXtriathlon.
So I was kind of waiting on thesurgery to see what's going on
with that and see how long it'sgoing to take to recover.
It shouldn't take too long, butI can't.
I can't get it wet, you know.
So I can't swim, I can't sweattoo bad, and and so we'll just
(17:37):
kind of see how that goes, andthen I'll put something on the
calendar and we'll go from there.
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, I'm really excited.
I'm excited.
I got the kids' bikes forChristmas, so I've got to go get
me a new bike now, so they'restarting to get where they're
running away from me you know,yeah, exactly right.
I can't run that fast.
No, not yet Not ever, Neveryeah.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Maybe.
Well, let's get back to Isaiah.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
So one of the things that— that's what we do is we go
down past it.
It's either dad jokes or westories right.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
So glad to hear you're on the recovery trail.
I'm going to be there, and solet's just talk about Isaiah for
just a few more minutes.
One of the things that Godchallenged Isaiah to do was to
keep the vision in front of thepeople, the vision being
worshiping one true God.
So I think, as leaders, whetheryou're going through great
(18:30):
times, going through difficulttimes, whatever time you're
going through right now one ofthe leader's jobs and we've
talked about this a lot is tokeep the vision in front of your
people and not just having iton the board, you know, in your
office or over the doorway whensomeone walks in, but to
verbalize that, to live that out, to remind people.
(18:52):
And if your vision statement oryour mission statement is so
long that people can't memorizeit, it needs to be 10 words or
less.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
It does.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
You know, and so they know it, they own it, they can
recite it and you're walking toget some water in the water
cooler.
Someone everybody in theorganization should be able to
quote the vision and the missionand then be able to tell them
what part of their job isworking toward that goal.
(19:22):
Yeah, and that should be veryeasily understood.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yeah, it should have clarity and the conviction
behind it.
You know, and we've said itmany times on here and in all my
seminars, if I got 50 people inmy class, maybe one person,
maybe two people really knowtheir vision statement or their
mission statement of yourcompany.
It's just not a thing.
But I'm like how?
And then, after I explain it tosome of these execs, I'm like
(19:46):
how, how?
And then, after I explain it tosome of these execs, I'm like,
well, how?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
do you know?
Speaker 1 (19:50):
your employees are working towards what your
company goals are Right andthey're like, wow, that's a
great point.
I'm like, isn't that veryimportant?
I mean, you know, don't youwant them coming to work every
day and working towards thingsthat are going to benefit and
the things that you'veestablished, that you haven't
told them?
You know, and it just there's abig disconnect there in the
(20:12):
corporate world.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yes, and it's such an important step to good
leadership and you don't have tocram it down people's throats,
but you should be able to, ifyou have a staff meeting
people's throats, but you shouldbe able to, if you have a staff
meeting, have someone else talkabout the vision and how they
are working toward that vision.
And if you hear that and youthink that's not exactly what I
(20:36):
really am wanting them to do,then just don't confront them in
the middle of a bunch of people, just take them to the office,
have a private meeting with themand say let's talk about your
work.
You know, you said this.
I appreciate your honesty, Iappreciate what you're doing.
Let's tweak yourresponsibilities just a little
(20:57):
bit to more line up with ourmission statement and our vision
statement, and you should beable, as the leader, to be able
to tell the whole organizationwhat you're doing that helps the
vision happen.
This is like what we talkedabout last week, that we should
(21:19):
be able to talk the talk butwalk the walk, and so that
everything we do should be inline with accomplishing the
mission and the vision as well.
So not just, we just don't wantour people to do it, we want us
to be able to do that.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Exactly right.
Well, let's get into this, mica.
Mica, we're about halfway, alittle over halfway through here
, and you know MICA is a—.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Well, before we get to MICA.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Oh, before we get to MICah, oh, before we get to
Micah here.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Hold on what Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Just a little, you know foreshadowing.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Foreshadowing.
Yeah, that's probably good forthis dad joke.
Okay, so why are archaeologistsalways so annoyed?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Why are archaeologists always so annoyed
?
Yes, I do not know.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Because they always have a bone to pick.
All right, I'll give you that.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I was trying to think of where it was when are we
going with that?
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Where are?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
we going?
I was trying to because I likearchaeology a lot, so I was like
, all right, I can get this one,but I didn't have that one,
Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
so what do you call a mouse that swears?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Ooh, this could be a good one A mouse that swears I
do not know A cursor.
There we go.
I like that one.
That was actually pretty good.
I don't mind that one.
So I don't mind that, all right, micah.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Micah.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Yes, another one of the prophets.
Directed at Israel and Judah atthe time of moral and social
corruption.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yes, which is basically that whole period of
the history, is basically thatwhole period of the history.
And so he basically we're backto the same thing that Isaiah
wanted to do, in that he had avision that people should turn
back to God and he wanted tokeep that.
(23:24):
He wanted people to beaccountable, he wanted the
leaders to be accountable and hewanted people keep that.
He wanted people to beaccountable, he wanted the
leaders to be accountable and hewanted people to be fair.
And so one of the very quotedit's not the most quoted verse
in the Old Testament, but it'sway up there is Micah 6.8.
And this is the quote, and thisis the quote humankind, God has
(23:52):
told you what is good and whatit is.
The Lord requires of you to actjustly, to love faithfulness
and to walk humbly with your God.
Wow.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Right, yeah, that's just powerful.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
And so if you take that and just translate it into
leadership principles, let'stalk about just being humble.
You know, leadership is achallenge, it's a sacrifice.
But if we're a leader and itgoes to our head, that's going
to be a problem down the road.
(24:23):
Going to be a problem down theroad.
Okay, so what if we are theleader of our scout troop or
we're the leader of our softballteam or bowling team or
whatever it may be, and we startgetting the big head that we're
the boss and other people haveto do what we say, then that's
(24:46):
going to be a problem down theroad.
And the same thing is true withan organization, whether it's
for-profit, non-profit, if theleader is not humble.
I'm not saying you're a doormatand people run over you.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
No.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
But if you start thinking too highly of yourself,
that just leads to problemsdown the road.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah, I mean as definition of humble, you know
the adjective part, having orshowing a modest opinion of
one's own importance orabilities.
You know it's acknowledgingthose right, and I looked up to
characteristics in pre-show ofyou know, acknowledging your
personal limitations, valuingothers and their contributions,
(25:30):
being open to feedback, which isimportant right, choosing
service over self-promotion.
And that's some of thecharacteristics of being, you
know, humble.
Humility is.
You know how are you doing it.
You know, a lot of times whenI'll take on a coaching client,
one of the things I have aquestionnaire I have them fill
(25:52):
out and it has a lot of thisstuff on there about you know,
humility and stuff and a lot ofmy questions.
I've blended that in.
And then a lot of times, ifit's through a company or
something, I'll ask to meet withall the co-workers.
I just had a situation where itwas a supervisor had, you know,
10 people under it, so I met, Iasked to meet with all the
(26:13):
employees and I had them fillout a similar questionnaire
based on this supervisor.
And a lot of times I can havethe questionnaire from the
person that I'm coaching and thequestionnaires from the
employees and I compare them andthat's where you usually see
this big difference and a lot oftimes it's it's because of this
, it's because of the arrogance,it's because of the I'm better
(26:36):
than everybody else in thedepartment, and a lot of times
that comes up as the disconnectin business and and uh, you know
.
But if you ask the, thecoaching client, straight up,
they're like no, everything'sgood, my employees love me and
all this stuff.
But as soon as you see thosetwo surveys side by side, that
really tells the tale.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yes, and it's probably one of the least
acknowledgeable things to see inourself, because it's so easy
to be prideful, it's so easy tothink more of ourself than we
should, but it's alsodestructive.
And it's just like they say,you know, putting a frog in a
(27:20):
pot of cold water and thenheating it up.
It just happens over time.
You know, we get a little bitof responsibility and then we
get more responsibility and westart thinking, oh yeah, we
deserve this.
And these commercials ontelevision now and on the radio
when they talk about, well, youdeserve this, that just drives
me crazy.
(27:40):
It's like, really, I deserve anew couch, I deserve this, I
deserve a.
It's's like I don't see myselfas deserving it, but sometimes
we get in that as leaders, yeah,we deserve that, we deserve
this promotion.
We deserve this salary, wedeserve these perks.
We deserve that because we'rejust so good, and once that
(28:01):
happens, we're setting ourselfup for some real serious issues.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, maybe you deserve another piece of coffee.
Yeah, and I brought you some.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I wouldn't say this last week, I should have said it
last week.
So we have a friend that's fromWisconsin.
Those of you in the northernpart of the country you might
know what I'm talking aboutsponge candy, sponge candy.
Yeah, it's so unique.
I've talking about sponge candy, sponge candy.
Yeah, it's so unique, I'venever eaten anything like it.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It is very unique.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
The inside of it looks like a sponge it just does
, and then it's covered withchocolate.
How can you Anything coveredwith chocolate?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
is going to be good, right?
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Anything covered with chocolate is good, and they
have dark chocolate, which iswhat I brought you, and they
have light chocolate.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
And it's just good.
It's just really really good.
Now the inside is real crunchy.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
It is.
I sort of did it from like aWhopper yeah a Whopper, Except
it's a lot bigger than a Whopperyeah, a lot bigger than a
Whopper, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
But yeah, it was very yummy.
So kudos out to your friends.
Yeah, sponge candy.
Yeah, absolutely so, it wasreally good and sorry.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
It's all gone, it doesn't stay long it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
It's sort of like my toffee right, yeah, and it's
only seasonal, you can't buy itall year long.
You can only buy it during theChristmas season.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Yeah, so if you don't order enough, then just like
hatch chili Too bad so sad.
You better get them about themiddle to the end of August, or
maybe the middle of September.
After that they're gone.
Right, and it was so good, sogood.
I made chili rellenos overChristmas.
Oh, that's so good.
(29:41):
Yes, and let's get back toMicah.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
We're going down the hunger phase here, okay, so
we're talking about humility.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
And in that humility comes caring for your people.
Um, sometimes we project thefact that we're we care more
about the goals than we do aboutthe people.
We care more about the bottomline profit than we care about
the employees, we care moreabout winning than we do the
(30:12):
members on our team, and so Ithink that's a priority issue.
Um, and?
And so the question is, what dowe really focus on?
What is our primary goal?
Yes, we have to be.
If we have shareholders and allthat kind of stuff, we have to
be responsible to theshareholders.
But the question is, are wecaring more about the goal, the
(30:35):
vision and the bottom lineprofit, or do we care more about
our people?
And if we care more about thepeople, they'll know it and your
profit's going to be higher.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Profit's going to follow.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, your shareholders are going to be
happy.
A lot of times that doesn'thappen, and that's just, I think
, a sign of bad leadership.
Yeah, so Micah was saying hey,you got to care for the people.
You know, you can't just carefor yourself, you can't just
care for your wealth and yourpower.
You've got to care for thepeople in the country Right, the
(31:06):
poor especially, but all thepeople and you've got to treat
them fairly.
That's what Micah 6.8 was allabout, is, you know, you've got
to walk humbly, you've got totreat people kindly, treat
everybody fairly.
And so I think what a greatleadership lesson that is from
that book.
It's a small book, but it's gota powerful lesson.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Yeah, very powerful book, all right.
Well, I think we're wrapping upthe end of the show here, you
could see this he's got like acontrol panel of dad jokes all
the way around him.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
I just don't have the monitor up with dad jokes yeah,
I know the best 1,000 dad jokeson the planet.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Now, that would be awesome.
Oh man, maybe we have to putsomething together.
We should put that in there.
They wouldn't get any points.
We wouldn't be able to put thattogether because we don't have
any best dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
So we're coming down to the end of the football
season here, yeah, so we've gotthe Super Bowl coming up here in
just a few weeks.
That's going to be an excitinggame, as it always is.
But talking about professionalsports, okay, now here in
Dallas-Fort Worth, we are soblessed to have so many amazing
(32:15):
professional teams.
We've got a few Baseballfootball basketball hockey We've
got some really good teams.
Okay, We've got a few Baseball,football, basketball, hockey.
We've got some really goodteams.
I wanted to try to put aprofessional hide-and-seek team,
you know but good players aretoo hard to find.
I knew where that one was going.
(32:36):
But that makes it a good dadjoke, right, that makes a good
dad joke, huh, oh.
Oh, you got one that makes agood joke.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Huh, oh, oh, you got one.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
You know I have many of them that you know there's
yeah, just don't know if they'regood, they're bad.
So I saw a book.
You know I'm trying to readmore on my Kindle than I am
actually buying books, becausewith a Kindle you can check them
out from the library and readthem and then turn it back in.
It's really great.
But I saw a book the other dayand I almost bought it, but it
was a step-by-step guide on howto climb stairs.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yeah, step-by-step, huh, step-by-step guide.
How did that go?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
it went down, but sales are up.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
My sales are up, yeah oh my gosh, what else you got
there I I don't know if I shoulddo anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I think I've kind of run my limit for the day.
Maybe not.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
I just think in the first of the year I was reading
a passage and it made me thinkabout writing a book, because I
need to write a book.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
You need to write a book.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
And I'm in the process of writing one.
But I thought about Okay,that's good, you know mine's
very specific because it's aboutwhat I'm going to be speaking
on.
And I thought about writinganother book on dieting.
Oh, Because it'll appeal to awide audience.
Yeah, it should.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Hey, before we go now , last week I talked about some
habits that highly disciplinedpeople do before 8 o'clock in
the morning.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Okay, now some things .
You think I can't exercise.
I'm traveling.
Well, that might be true.
You might be able to just walkup and down the hallway of the
hotel or stay in a hotel that'sgot an exercise room or
something the hallway of thehotel, or stay in a hotel that's
got an exercise room orsomething.
But here's one thing you can do, no matter where you stay if
you're on vacation, if you're ona business trip or whatever.
(34:48):
But number three so last week Italked about two things.
Number one highly disciplinedpeople do before eight o'clock
in the morning.
They rise early, they get upearly.
That means they probably haveto go to bed late.
You can't just get two or threehours sleep.
I used to do that and it wouldwear me out.
They exercise.
Number three is they hydrate.
They drink plenty of water.
(35:11):
They don't just drink energydrinks, you know, sports drinks,
stuff like that.
They actually drink water andthere's a formula.
You know so many glasses a daydepending upon your size and all
that kind of stuff.
But you can do that regardlessof where you are, how much
(35:31):
you're traveling.
You can take care of yourhydration needs.
And I listen to a lot ofpodcasts as I'm trying to, you
know, get ready for my nexttriathlon.
Whenever that is, and almostevery single podcast, at some
point they talk about theimportance of hydration, because
if you're hydrated, yourblood's you know better and you
(35:53):
just feel better.
Now it takes a while.
You can't just go from drinkingnothing to drinking a gallon a
day.
That just doesn't work.
You've got to build up to it.
But you can hydrate.
I'm talking about water.
I'm not talking about drinkingtwo cups, four gallons of coffee
, drink water, and it takes awhile to get used to that.
(36:16):
And so that's one of the goals Ihave for this year is to get my
hydration level up to theproper amount, which is about 96
ounces of water a day, and if Iexercise it needs to be a
little bit more than that.
But I'm not there.
I want to get there and it justtakes a time, you know.
(36:36):
So it's like, okay, I can add acup a week, just add a little
bit more every week, andeventually you know I'll get up
there.
So I think that was good adviceand you just feel better when
you're hydrated.
You're not dragging down,you're not so tired, and so I
just encourage people to justget.
(36:57):
You know, look up what's rightfor you and there's so many
things out there.
But normally it's so manyounces per every pound of body
weight, and for me I'm about 185pounds, so it's 96 ounces of
water.
And so it's like, yeah, I'llget there.
(37:18):
Right now I'm about 70 ouncesof water a day.
I just need to get up to 96.
So that's one of my goals forthe year and I invite you all to
join me.
Nice, yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
I drink a lot of water.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
I actually drink, you do.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
I drink a lot of water.
I actually drink a lot of waterduring the night, believe it or
not, so I probably go through32 ounces plus of water every
night.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Really yeah, wow.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
From when I go to bed I'll get up and maybe pee once
and chug another glass of waterand get up and get on my day.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, it wakes me up in the morning and gets me up.
That's really really good.
It's really good for yourhealth, of course.
Yeah, I do like my coffee too,though.
Yeah, coffee, that's the wholekey, all right.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Well, let's let the people go today, all right.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Well, have a great day.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Have a great week.
Check us outbiblicalleadershipshowcom.
Send us any prayer requests youmight have, or anything good
dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Please send us some good dad jokes.
Not, you're gonna listen to therest of the all the stuff,
right?
Speaker 1 (38:21):
yeah, yeah, exactly right, we got a whole lot.
I've got a lot of dad jokeshere, other than that, dr p,
take us out.
Hey, make it a great day.
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