September 2, 2025 • 35 mins
The most profound leadership principles often come from unexpected sources. In this episode, we unpack the powerful example of John the Baptist and his philosophy that "He must increase, and I must decrease" - a concept that challenges modern leadership culture's obsession with personal recognition and accolades.
After sharing stories from an Alaskan adventure (complete with glaciers, grizzly bears, and surprisingly, Hatch chiles), we dive into what truly makes exceptional leaders. Do you see your primary role as lifting others up, or do you need to be the center of attention? The answer to this question fundamentally shapes your leadership style and your team's success.
We explore how surrounding yourself with people who complement your weaknesses creates stronger organizations than building teams of people just like yourself. This isn't always intuitive - especially for young leaders protective of "their baby" - but it's transformational when embraced. As one host confesses, "When I was young, I declined potential business partners because I felt it was 'my company.' In hindsight, bringing on someone with complementary strengths would have been the smartest move."
Drawing from Jesus's temple-cleansing example, we discuss why great leaders must address difficult situations rather than avoiding them or hoping they'll magically resolve. Problems between team members rarely disappear on their own – they typically fester and grow unless confronted with appropriate timing and approach.
Perhaps most importantly, we examine the water-to-wine miracle as a metaphor for believing in people's capacity for transformation. Are you investing in your team's development? Do you believe they can improve with the right resources and support? When you shift from simply hiring for experience to hiring for character while committing to skills development, everyone benefits.
Subscribe now to continue our journey through leadership principles that have stood the test of time, and join us next week for our exploration of Nicodemus and what his midnight conversation teaches about authentic leadership.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
uh-huh, now yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on, come on,
alrighty welcome, welcome,welcome, welcome, welcome
(00:35):
welcome welcome Tim.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
What's going on?
Are you a little tired?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I am a little tired.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
It's a long Labor Day weekend A long Labor Day
weekend, but how fun is that?
It is fun, you know it's great.
We went down A long Labor Dayweekend, but how fun is that?
It is fun, you know it's great.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
We went down to the lake.
Oh yeah, spent some time downat the lake.
So, yeah, besides working on mypool and being at the lake, I'm
tired.
Yeah, you had to retile yourpool, yeah, exactly right.
Well, at least you know how todo that well yeah, I wish I
didn't, because I would havewrote a check for somebody else
to do it.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
So oh, every once in a while there's good and bad
that you know how to do all thisstuff and then there's bad that
you just don't write a check,so you had like good labor day
weekend yeah, yeah, it was goodand good time.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
So how about you?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
well, you know, we were thinking about going to a
wedding, um, but before wedecided we thought you know,
this is going to be a pretty—.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Do we like these people?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Well, we thought, you know, it's probably going to be
a pretty emotional wedding.
Pretty emotional wedding.
I think even the cake was goingto be in tears.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I didn't even know.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I thought you were just going straight for a
wedding I didn't know you hadthat one teed up.
Oh, but yeah, so we're comingoff.
We actually took a hiatus lastweek because you were just
getting back from Alaska right.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, we got back from Alaska.
That was fun, oh my goodness,did you have fun?
That would be an understatement.
Really, that was fun, oh mygoodness.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Did you have fun?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
That would be an understatement, Really.
Let me just tell you anybody ofthe three people that might be
listening to this podcast.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Hey, I think we're four this week.
Oh, we're four.
Wow, we are moving strong.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
We had an opportunity to go to Alaska with our
daughter and her boyfriend andwe flew into Anchorage because
we had some flight credits, sowe wanted to use them up and so
we went up there, went down toSeward, went to Homer, went up
to Denali National Park.
It was absolutely stunning.
(02:36):
The people were incredible, thescenery was just unimaginable.
I mean, it was absolutelyphenomenal.
You know, they say what wasyour best part?
Well, we actually the day,because you can't drive your car
into the National Park ofDenali very far, maybe 15 miles,
but the road goes like 50 miles.
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Well, there was a landslide andso part of the road has been
washed out.
They're working on it, buildinga bridge, all that kind of
stuff.
So we took a tour bus and ourtour guide was incredible and
anyway, we saw caribou and wesaw a bear, a grizzly bear, out
in the wild.
Never had done that before, butthe sky was so clear.
(03:21):
That day we actually got to seeDenali, which they said only
about 30% of the time you cansee it because it's so tall,
it's like over 20,000 feet.
Most of the time it's coveredwith clouds, and so we were
fortunate enough to see it thatday.
I don't even have the words todescribe how majestic that place
is, and just the mountains andthe snow.
(03:45):
One of the days we actuallywent, I think it was called the
Byron Glacier.
We went on a hike about twomiles or so and then we got to
walk on a glacier.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Wow, that's pretty cool.
That was like whoa, how cool isthat?
That's real cool, right?
Not a lot of people.
No, I can't say that.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
No, it was just incredible.
And then we went on anotherhike, saw Exit Glacier, which is
just massive.
Some of these glaciers arehundreds of feet thick.
I mean just unbelievable andthen went down to well, like I
said, we went to Homer.
Homer is the halibut capital ofthe world.
Halibut is a very nice.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Did you eat some halibut?
We ate so Halibut is a verynice.
Did you eat some halibut?
We ate so much halibut.
I love it.
It was incredible.
I mean, if you're going to doit, let's eat some fresh fish,
yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
It's like, yeah, this fish probably came off the boat
this morning, right, yeah, itwas that fresh.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, it's awesome and it was really good.
We did that in Australia.
When we were out there, it wasliterally coming off the boats
and they were just cooking it.
The chefs were grabbing it.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
It was so amazing.
It's incredible.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I can't even tell you the difference of lobsters to.
I mean, everything's just.
It's totally different whenit's straight from the ocean.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I mean, it's like, yes, it came off the boat, yeah,
and so we did that.
We didn't do any fishingourselves, we didn't have time,
but we did a lot of hiking andjust had fun.
Oh, and here was a cool thing,one of the coolest things.
Just so happened that we werein Alaska during the Alaska
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State Fair.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Oh, how cool is that.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
It's in the little town of Palmer, which is just
north of Anchorage, and so theday our daughter and her
boyfriend were leaving the planedoesn't leave till like 7.45 at
night.
So we were in Homer, we got upreal early, drove to Palmer,
went to the state fair for aboutfive hours.
It was just fun.
(05:39):
It was just a lot of fun andthen we took them to the airport
.
But it's like how often do yousay, yeah, I went to the Alaska
State?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Fair.
Yeah, that's pretty cool.
That was really really cool.
That's awesome, yeah, fun times.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
It was good, it was really good.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
We should start just a travel thing.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, a travel podcast.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I guess we should talk about somebody's at the gym
working out.
Listen to us going reallySeriously, yeah, really.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
We went to Alaska.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
We haven't seen each other for a week.
We literally walked in, westarted podcasting.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
So we're catching up.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
We're just doing it on air with you guys.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, how fun is that ?
Yeah, it was just really good.
And one day like today here inTexas it's like 100 degrees, but
I think the high one day inAlaska was like 54 degrees.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, the low was like 47, but the high was 54.
And it was just like perfectWas it colder on the glacier.
Surprisingly, really not Notthe same.
Yeah, it was about the same.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Was it colder on the glacier?
Surprisingly, really not.
Not the same, yeah it was aboutthe same.
Yeah, I'm just curious.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Now you've got to wear sunglasses because the
light comes off the snow andit's like wow.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Same in a pool.
Yes, yeah, exactly right.
My eyes, my face, your facegets sunburned from the glacier.
Exactly so it was good, it wasreally good.
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
So I was glad to be gone, glad to be back.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And it was just fun being with our daughter and her
boyfriend and it was just fun,so it was just cool.
So I'm from New Mexico.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Okay.
And when I grew up in NewMexico, we had hatch chili.
Okay, hatch chili.
And when I grew up in NewMexico, we had hatch chili Okay.
Hatch chili is like the bestthat I've ever eaten.
It's really good.
So one of my mom's best recipesis chile rellenos with hatch
chili.
Okay, so we go.
(07:33):
We're staying in an Airbnb inAnchorage, we stay in an Airbnb
in all the places, and we go tothe store I think it was a
Kroger or something like that upin Anchorage and guess what
they had there?
What Hatch chili.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Really.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yes, and so I texted my sister, who lives in Colorado
, and I said, hey, do you havemom's chili relleno recipe?
Because I know we have it atthe house, but I didn't think
about bringing it and oh yeah,we're going to get some Hatch
Chili, and so we actually madeChili Rellenos in Anchorage,
alaska, with Hatch.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Chili it was really really good.
How fun is that?
Yeah, it was really fun.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
It was really fun.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
That's awesome.
So, yeah, it's on my list.
We were thinking about goingthis summer, we just didn't make
it up there, so it's one of myfew remaining states left.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, it was good, I'll probably get up there next
year and check it out.
It was really good and just hada lot of fun.
And so you know, don't know ifI'll ever be back, but it's a
great place to go and just had awonderful time.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Just got to build up those trip credits.
Time, just got to build upthose trip credits.
That's exactly right, but it'sgood to be back.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Good to be back in the studio with you.
Yeah, absolutely I'm glad to behere.
Yeah, school's starting for allthe kids and your kids are in
school and all that kind ofstuff.
Yeah, it's back to the routine.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I was trying to get past Labor Day because it's all
the craziness of the schoolbeginning school.
You're in a routine but you'renot really yet.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, you have like a week and a half, two weeks, and
then all of a sudden you get avacation, vacation, it's like
what?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
So this is sort of when you really get hardcore on
everything, get back to you knoweverything, sort of situated.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Mm-hmm, kind of you know get in the groove.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Got to ease into it.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
That's awesome Anyway .
Well, when we were here lastweek we talked a little bit
about John.
We talked about staying in yourlane and how John the Baptist
sort of stayed in his lane hedidn't—everybody.
He kept telling everybody no,I'm not the Messiah, and this is
me, that's your Messiah overthere.
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And we talked a lot about thatand he very well could have
stepped up and took that reinsand said I am the person, but he
didn't.
And that's sort of what we sortof got into a little bit.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
But we're going to do a little deeper dive into John
a little bit got into a littlebit, but we're going to do a
little deeper dive into John alittle bit.
Yeah, because I think one ofthe best leadership principles
in the early part of the book ofJohn is from John the Baptist.
It's one of my favorite sayingsin the entire Bible John,
chapter 3, verse 30, where he'stalking about Jesus and he could
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have said yes, I'm the Messiah.
I don't know who this guy is,but he said these words which
are so powerful.
He said he meaning Jesus, hemust increase and I must
decrease.
Now, wow, what a powerfulstatement and what a great
leadership principle for thoseof us who have an opportunity to
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lead other people in whatever.
And so for me, the mainleadership principle is do I see
my job as a leader to liftother people up or do I need the
focus?
Do I need the attention?
Do I need the praise?
Do I need the accolades or ismy focus to help other people
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get those praise, lift them up,encourage them?
And I think it makes adifference between the type of
leader people are is dependingupon.
Is it all about me and megetting the honors and accolades
and the trophies and the thingson the wall, or do I want my
people to have that and that'sjust a really powerful lesson
(11:22):
here from the book of John.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, so when you're dealing with leadership classes,
how do you address that from abusiness point of view?
Whether it's a home builder oranybody else that you teach, how
do you focus on that particulartopic when you teach those
leadership classes?
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Well, you mean, as far as surrounding people, not
being the center of attentionand giving your other people on
the pedestal, it's a multi-partstep, right, you know,
multi-step process.
Basically Because you know oneof the first things I always say
is surround yourself withpeople that's smarter than you,
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that has some of your weaknesses, they fill in your weaknesses.
You don't want a clone ofyourself, you know, even though
it's good and you're likehanging out with that person,
but that isn't going to help youin business.
So if you can get everybodythat is and build a team that
you know where your weaknessesand where this person weakness
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and this person weakness andthat's their strength, then it's
sort of natural Right.
Because then at a point I'mgoing to give you kudos because
you're taking the stuff that Idon't want to do and you're
excelling at it and I think oneof those things if you surround
yourself with good people, it'sreal easy to put them on a
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pedestal and not yourself.
And I always cite a lot of thepeople, a lot of the leaders out
there.
They didn't take the credit,you know and we could go on
everybody.
You know tons of differentpeople and cite those, but I
think the most successful peopleare the ones that really build
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the team up.
And if you don't take the timeto build a team up, to be able
to give everybody kudos, thenyou're never going to operate as
the word of a team, you're justgoing to be individuals working
, and I think that's soimportant and it's a leadership,
and I'm not saying that it'seasy.
You know somebody that's young.
I mean, when I was young Ididn't know, I didn't understand
that.
You know, I've never been aperson that really had to have
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that kudos.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
But when I was young, there were some times you know
cause I had a lot of people say,hey, let me, let me be your
business partner and I was likeI don't want you to be my
business partner, right?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
No, just starting this company, why would I want
to bring a business partner?
Now, in hindsight, Absolutely,that person had the strength he
was just going to get on thephone and start calling 500
people and get a smart businesswould have been the smartest
thing in the world.
But in my head was like, oh, Idon't, this is my company, right
, it's my baby.
I just started it, you know,like six months ago, uh, but now
, as matured and business,absolutely I would have been
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like, yes, let's do it, let'shandshake on this and let's make
some money together, uh, but Imean it's, it's not always the
process, it's not always easy,even for veterans, and a lot of
times people can't give thataway.
But I'm just telling you, onceyou, once you cross the path and
you've been in business longenough, you, you've, you're
going to figure out that that's,that's the path.
And and if you can, you cancheck that.
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I've got one of my coachingclients I'm working on right now
to sort of tell him that andand I I've worked with him and
he pretty much didn't take myadvice and at that point, um, he
faltered right.
He had big ego in this.
He was trying to build it witha big ego and now he's in a
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reset process with his companybecause, ultimately, um, he
didn't, um, it didn't work outthe way that he wanted.
So he's in a reset rebuildingprocess and he just spent all
that time building up and ithappens.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, so I heard the other day on the radio.
I was driving to the gym orsomething and I heard this
conversation on the radio andthis guy was like a sports
psychologist.
This conversation on the radioand this guy was like a sports
psychologist, yeah, and he wastalking about this, a similar
topic, and he was saying one ofthe keys to success is giving
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other people what you want.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
So if you want accolades, okay, if you think I
need it.
If you start giving it to otherpeople want accolades okay, if
you think I need it, if youstart giving it to other people,
then it's amazing how thatreally builds up other people
and then that just brings moresatisfaction and contentment to
your own life.
And I think that's what Johnthe Baptist we're talking about
here is just like the real focusis for a good leader is to help
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other people be the best thatthey can be for your company
right now.
So when I was a pastor, mydesire was I was trying to help
the youth director.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Last weekend yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I did preach over the weekend.
I got a call last Thursday.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Our pastor has COVID our pastor has COVID.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
He said hey, can you preach for me?
This is literally what I said.
I said are there going to besnacks?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
afterwards.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I said I'm going to be hungry after I preach.
Are there going to be snacks?
He said I'll make sure there'ssnacks.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I said I'm going to be hungry after I preach.
Are there going to be snacks?
Speaker 2 (16:40):
He said I'll make sure there's snacks.
I said, okay, I'll preach then,nice, nice.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
So it's good pay for retiring right.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I'm looking for a meal.
Get some snacks.
We'll work for food.
We'll preach for food.
We'll preach for snacks.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
That's so funny, you need to blend that into the
sermon right.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I need to you need to get a sign.
We'll preach for snacks.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
There you go you got the whole bag of tricks.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
I should put that on my Facebook page.
We'll preach for snacks.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I love it, but anyway , yeah and go ahead, I'm totally
derailed.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I am so derailed on that one.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Well, here's one thing that I wanted and it sort
of sparked me.
I was watching a survival showover the weekend and this guy
sort of turned it in.
I forget his name, mr Moon orsomething.
He's a military survivalist andeverything, but I loved the way
he said that.
He said he, when he first gotinto, uh, um, the special forces
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, they gave him a books likesnakes and insects, what you can
eat, and all this stuff.
It was just overwhelmingbecause I mean, he got you know
14, 15 pages, 15 books with youknow 800 pages, and he goes this
isn't going to work, it's justtoo much.
And I thought it was brilliantwhat he did.
So what he did is he wentthrough all the books and he
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ripped out all the pages of thefriendly snakes, every friendly
snake.
He ripped them out and all hedid is studied the ones that
could kill him.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Because if he identified them, as that's a
snake that can kill me, I needto be what, but if I can't
identify it, then it must befriendly.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
And I thought that was brilliant.
And I was thinking about whatwe were doing here.
Think about your weaknesses andyour strengths.
What's the things, what arepeople doing and how can you
streamline your leadershipprocess.
And I thought that was sobrilliant that he sat there and
he literally ripped out all thepages of everything and then all
the food.
He just left the food in therethat he could eat, so he didn't
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have to study a hundreddifferent things.
He's like I need to look forthese berries, these things and
this, this, and then it was asimplified process.
It was brilliant.
I never really thought about itas far as putting that into
survivalist and or leadership.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, so it's like you narrow down your focus and
so, instead of focusing oneverything and we talk about
this a lot about settingboundaries and making priorities
and staying in your lane andfocusing on that- so yeah, and I
think, one of the things abouthelping other people do well in
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their line whether it'saccounting, whether it's sales,
whatever it could be, technology, whatever it may be is helping
them stay in their lane, makingsure they have the resources to
do their job effectively andmake sure that they understand
that they're valuable to thecompany.
And so different people havedifferent emotional needs.
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They might be going through adifficult thing in their family
or their health or their financeor something.
And if you know your people, ifyou take time to get to know
them outside of work I'm notsaying go have dinner with them,
but I'm just saying know what'sgoing on in their life they
realize that you care for themand they will be more committed
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to you and to the company 100%.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, so it's really good, it's pretty good.
So snacks, snacks yeah, so it'sreally good, it's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
So yeah, snacks.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Snacks.
Well, let's see, posey, I'mrunning a little low on snacks.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I better get some snacks here in the studio I had
tons of snacks here.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I think your kids ate them over the summer.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
They did actually they said Dad, are we going to
your office today Because I wantsome snacks?
Speaker 1 (20:37):
They actually did eat a lot of my snacks.
I got to replenish.
But, yeah, they cleaned me out.
We come over here a lot.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
You do.
So let's focus on some of thesame topic, but go back in the
book of John.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yes, let's go.
Start at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, start at the beginning.
Well, I'm going to really startin John 2.
I know we talked about John 1.
We talked a little bit aboutJohn 3 with John the Baptist,
but in John 2, and this is in adifferent place in the Bible
than it is in other books inJohn 2.
Jesus goes into the temple andhe cleanses the temple, and
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that's in John, chapter 2.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Now he also makes water into wine?
Yeah, he does.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
That's very important for some, yes, very very
important chapter, but he clearsthe temple, and so this would
be one of the things that Ithink really helps define a good
leader.
You know, jesus knew boundaries, but he was willing to address
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a difficult situation.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
And you know, I think good leaders are willing to
address a difficult situation.
They might not have to eat thewhole elephant at one time, but
they're willing to take stepsover time to address situations.
And I've met too many peoplethat just say you know what, I'm
just not going to deal with it,I'm just going to let it and
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hopefully it'll resolve itself.
Normally that doesn't happenokay.
It festers and it just becomes abigger problem, especially if
there's conflict between people,you know, personnel issues or
something like that.
It doesn't solve itself.
You've got to sit down andaddress it and Jesus was very
willing to address Now.
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He did it delicately.
Now he cleansed in the temple.
He didn't, he wasn't delicateabout it, you know, he was
really forceful about it and hewanted to make a point.
And sometimes leaders have tobe firm and make a point.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Timing matters.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Timing was really yes timing and when you do that and
how you do it, and not justwhat you say but how you say it,
your intonation of your voice,Not just what you say but how
you say it, your intonation ofyour voice, and so all of those
things Jesus is willing to do,and I think it's a very good
example of leadership principlesthat, unfortunately, too many
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leaders just don't do.
But just taking those smallsteps to address difficult
situations will make everybody abetter leader.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, 100% yeah.
So what about the water to wine?
Thing I mean there might besomebody in the gym right now
that is looking for water towine.
I don't know, and I'm beinghonest, I know I'm throwing fun
at it, but tell us, okay, sothis is the scenario.
(23:42):
Tell us the scenario of thisright.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
So Jesus goes to a wedding.
He's invited His mom's there,disciples are there, and back
then, like nowadays you go to awedding, the reception would
last a couple hours, right,depending upon how long the
family rented the venue.
Right Back then a wedding wouldlast for days.
(24:05):
That was just their tradition.
And so, you know, they had wineand they ran out of wine and
Jesus' mom comes to him and says, hey, they ran out of wine and
he goes.
You know, it's not my time, shegoes.
No, you know, I think it's good.
She didn't say that, but it'slike, son, you can do something
(24:27):
about this, you know.
And so he just says to theservants, he says, hey, see
those jars over there, just fillthem up with water.
Now take some and take it tothe, you know, master of the
ceremony.
So in that the water turns intowine.
It was Jesus' first miracle andthis is the, I think, the
leadership principle that I getfrom that.
(24:48):
First of all, the biblicalprinciple is that Jesus did
miracles, but the leadershipprinciple and also biblical is
that transformation is possible.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Okay, that's a good way.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
So think about a person you know you might have,
a person that's not performingwell.
The question is are you willingto invest in that person for
transformation or are you justsaying no, not going to happen?
Do you do a performance eval?
Do you do expectations?
Do you set goals?
Do you set timelines?
You know all those kind ofthings.
(25:21):
Are you really envisioning thatthis person is going to be
better?
Are you giving them a chance tobe better, or are you just
saying you know what?
No, now the thing about it isare you coaching them?
Are you helping them?
Are you sending them acontinuing education?
Are you just assuming they'regoing to get better on their own
(25:43):
?
A lot of times people don't getbetter on their own.
They need some type of guidance.
They need something to say oh,that's how you do it.
Okay, just thinking of let'sjust think of a program, excel.
Just think of Excel.
I really don't know how to doExcel at all.
Period.
(26:03):
Okay, I mean seriously, I haveit on my computer but I very
rarely use it.
I don't know how.
But there's some people who arejust incredibly experienced
with Excel and they know all theshortcuts and all this kind of
stuff experienced with Excel andthey know all the shortcuts and
all this kind of stuff.
It's like if your person inyour team needs to use that, but
(26:26):
they really have no experience,then why don't you send them to
a class so they learn how to dothat better?
It will make them moreconfident, it will speed up the
process, they'll have moreconfidence in their job, they'll
know that you believe in them,and so everybody wins.
It's like a win-win situation.
But to me, the principle is istransformation possible?
(26:47):
Are you allowing that to happenin your organization?
Are you planning for it?
Are you budgeting for it?
Are you even believing it'spossible?
Speaker 1 (26:55):
So that's one of the principles I think is from that
particular passage Maybe thinkof transformation, as I used to
be back in the seminar circuitway back when right.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
And they called me up and they said can you teach
Excel class?
I'm like I think, so I've usedExcel since it became Excel
right.
And they said well, you know, Ilooked at the thing, there was
an Excel class coming to Dallas,right.
And he says, well, you know,I'm like, let me.
I looked at the thing, therewas a Excel class coming to
Dallas, right.
And I said I'm going to bop inthe class that Johnny's teaching
(27:28):
, right, and I'll see what it'sall about, because I had never
taught that class and I boppedinto the class and I've sitting
there help check people in.
There was room for it and and loand behold, he starts going
through this class and I'm likeI don't know anything about
Excel.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I kept raising my hand asking questions.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
He's looking at me like seriously, I'm like I don't
know you're teaching a goodclass.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I need to know how did you do that?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
can you do?
He was doing shortcuts likeblink, blink, blink, blink.
I'm like what, go back?
And I called him up.
I'm like no, I don't knowanything about Excel apparently,
so I won't be teaching that one.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, but in your business, when you're dealing
with home owners and productsand all that kind of stuff, you
need to know stuff like that, orat least have somebody on your
team that knows how to do it.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I got tons of spreadsheets.
I use Excel multiple, multipletimes, but apparently I just
take a look and I knew I don'tuse it as much.
But I mean, this kid wasbrilliant at Excel.
He was so over the top.
I was like wow.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, some people really know, but here let's just
take that same thing, not withthis, but the same principle.
Maybe you have somebody who youjust hired.
You know they might not havethe you know.
Years ago we used to hirebecause of people's resume,
their experience.
The more I became experiencedas a pastor, the more I realized
(28:57):
, hey, I need to hire peoplethat get along with the team,
they're a good team member andthey've got great personality,
have energy, they bring their Agame all the time and if they
don't know what I want, I canteach them what I want them to
do, okay.
And so instead of just bringingthem on and just let them go,
(29:22):
just kind of figure it outthemselves and I think Jesus was
, you know, here in John,chapter 2, just like no, I
believe in that a transformationis possible, and the more you
invest in your people, the morethe company benefits and
everybody benefits.
So, I think that's a really goodprinciple.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah, absolutely Wow.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Wow.
John chapter two.
John chapter two.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
And we, you know, pushing up our time for just dad
jokes.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yeah, we should, because in John chapter three,
we talk about Nicodemus, and Ithink that, right, there needs
more time than we have allowedfor this.
We just got a few minutesremaining today, and so I'd
really like to wait and to talkabout Nicodemus next week,
because I think there's somereally valuable leadership
(30:13):
principles in John 3.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Plus, we had some feedback about the show.
Right, Didn't you get somefeedback about some of the best
parts of the show?
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yes, I did so on the way in today to the studio.
I talked to my sister who livesin Colorado, in Greeley, and I
talked to my nephew who lives inLouisville, Kentucky, and both
of them were so complimentary ofthe show.
It was so humbling.
But what they really likedabout the show was the dad jokes
(30:45):
, I'm thinking well, okay, maybewe need to have more dad jokes
and less Bible.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
You know somebody's out there listening going.
No, no, please, please.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
No more dad jokes.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, yeah, sorry those aren't going away.
They make us smile, right youknow what happens?
Speaker 2 (31:05):
my kids like the dad jokes.
They do your kids, uh, love dadjoke.
Do you know what happens when adoctor gets frustrated?
No he or she loses his patiencehey what do you call a dog
(31:26):
that's underwater?
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I'm sure I should know this one.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
You should know this one.
It sounds pretty easy, so goahead.
A subwoofer.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Oh boy, I can do a couple of them.
Groaners how does a train eat?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
How does a train eat?
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yeah, how does a train eat?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
One card at a time, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
It goes choo-choo.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Oh choo-choo, okay, oh boy, you know what?
Someone keeps sending me celeryanonymously.
I think I'm being stalked.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Nice, all right, one more from me.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
No, I'll let you have one more.
How do you make One?
I can't just stop with one.
Oh no, I know, it's like Lay'spotato chips.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
How do you make gold soup?
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Gold soup, yeah, gold soup, I don't know, gold soup,
I don't know, put 24 carrots init.
Okay, you know, I've beenpracticing my guitar.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
You have?
Yeah, I got one right there foryou.
I know I got a busted string, Isaw it.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I got to fix the string.
That's all right, it'll soundthe same with me.
Anyway, we're starting a bandand it's called Blanket.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, we're a cover band there you go.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
I like it All right, you got one more.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
No, all right I mean I do, but I don't know if you
know.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Don't know if the people can handle it, so that's
fine, we can.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
We got you know so we're right, we're the first of
September, right?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
So Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
His summer wasn't too badeither.
We should have stopped before Isaid that one.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
All right, brother, all right.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Let's sign off for the day.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
All right.
Well, guys, thank you forhanging out with us and just
being part of our show.
Yes, About every conversation.
We have a lot of fun with this.
So thank you for tuning in,Thank you for being part of it.
Other than that, check us out.
Biblicalleadershipshowcom.
What do you have?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Well, I'm just going to say three weeks from Friday
the 26th of September is oursecond anniversary of being on a
podcast.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
That is so awesome, so we'll have our anniversary
show on the 23rd.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Okay, so a little bit early, but that's our second
anniversary show, so, those ofyou who are listening, if
there's anything you would likefor us to focus on other than
more dad jokes.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
For the second anniversary show.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
You know, please show .
Yes, you know, please let usknow.
You know, send us an email.
Whatever We'd love to work in,whatever you have suggestions.
Now we're going to continuethrough the book of John.
You know, the book of John.
It took us four weeks to getthrough the book of Luke.
It's probably going to take usanother two to three weeks to
get through the book of John.
So we'll probably be in thebook of John.
(34:41):
But on that particular day,which is our anniversary, we
might focus on something else,just because it's our second
anniversary and we're excited tobe on the air for two years now
.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
You're just looking forward to the New Year's Eve.
If you guys didn't listen toour new year's eve show, it's
pretty much 100 dad jokes, itwas like 120, it was so awesome
yeah and I know you guys.
You just got to see the spreadof dad jokes over here on the
side table here, you know, I gotone two, three, three, three
(35:14):
sources of dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
yeah, they, they're books.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
They're stacked things.
Hey, all right, guys, check usout biblicalleadershipshowcom.
Come back, hang out with usnext week and, dr Posey, take us
out.
Make it a great day, thank you.
uh-huh, now yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on, come on,
alrighty welcome, welcome,welcome, welcome, welcome
(00:35):
welcome welcome Tim.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
What's going on?
Are you a little tired?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I am a little tired.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
It's a long Labor Day weekend A long Labor Day
weekend, but how fun is that?
It is fun, you know it's great.
We went down A long Labor Dayweekend, but how fun is that?
It is fun, you know it's great.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
We went down to the lake.
Oh yeah, spent some time downat the lake.
So, yeah, besides working on mypool and being at the lake, I'm
tired.
Yeah, you had to retile yourpool, yeah, exactly right.
Well, at least you know how todo that well yeah, I wish I
didn't, because I would havewrote a check for somebody else
to do it.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
So oh, every once in a while there's good and bad
that you know how to do all thisstuff and then there's bad that
you just don't write a check,so you had like good labor day
weekend yeah, yeah, it was goodand good time.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
So how about you?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
well, you know, we were thinking about going to a
wedding, um, but before wedecided we thought you know,
this is going to be a pretty—.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Do we like these people?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Well, we thought, you know, it's probably going to be
a pretty emotional wedding.
Pretty emotional wedding.
I think even the cake was goingto be in tears.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I didn't even know.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I thought you were just going straight for a
wedding I didn't know you hadthat one teed up.
Oh, but yeah, so we're comingoff.
We actually took a hiatus lastweek because you were just
getting back from Alaska right.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, we got back from Alaska.
That was fun, oh my goodness,did you have fun?
That would be an understatement.
Really, that was fun, oh mygoodness.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Did you have fun?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
That would be an understatement, Really.
Let me just tell you anybody ofthe three people that might be
listening to this podcast.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Hey, I think we're four this week.
Oh, we're four.
Wow, we are moving strong.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
We had an opportunity to go to Alaska with our
daughter and her boyfriend andwe flew into Anchorage because
we had some flight credits, sowe wanted to use them up and so
we went up there, went down toSeward, went to Homer, went up
to Denali National Park.
It was absolutely stunning.
(02:36):
The people were incredible, thescenery was just unimaginable.
I mean, it was absolutelyphenomenal.
You know, they say what wasyour best part?
Well, we actually the day,because you can't drive your car
into the National Park ofDenali very far, maybe 15 miles,
but the road goes like 50 miles.
(02:57):
Well, there was a landslide andso part of the road has been
washed out.
They're working on it, buildinga bridge, all that kind of
stuff.
So we took a tour bus and ourtour guide was incredible and
anyway, we saw caribou and wesaw a bear, a grizzly bear, out
in the wild.
Never had done that before, butthe sky was so clear.
(03:21):
That day we actually got to seeDenali, which they said only
about 30% of the time you cansee it because it's so tall,
it's like over 20,000 feet.
Most of the time it's coveredwith clouds, and so we were
fortunate enough to see it thatday.
I don't even have the words todescribe how majestic that place
is, and just the mountains andthe snow.
(03:45):
One of the days we actuallywent, I think it was called the
Byron Glacier.
We went on a hike about twomiles or so and then we got to
walk on a glacier.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Wow, that's pretty cool.
That was like whoa, how cool isthat?
That's real cool, right?
Not a lot of people.
No, I can't say that.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
No, it was just incredible.
And then we went on anotherhike, saw Exit Glacier, which is
just massive.
Some of these glaciers arehundreds of feet thick.
I mean just unbelievable andthen went down to well, like I
said, we went to Homer.
Homer is the halibut capital ofthe world.
Halibut is a very nice.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Did you eat some halibut?
We ate so Halibut is a verynice.
Did you eat some halibut?
We ate so much halibut.
I love it.
It was incredible.
I mean, if you're going to doit, let's eat some fresh fish,
yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
It's like, yeah, this fish probably came off the boat
this morning, right, yeah, itwas that fresh.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, it's awesome and it was really good.
We did that in Australia.
When we were out there, it wasliterally coming off the boats
and they were just cooking it.
The chefs were grabbing it.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
It was so amazing.
It's incredible.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I can't even tell you the difference of lobsters to.
I mean, everything's just.
It's totally different whenit's straight from the ocean.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I mean, it's like, yes, it came off the boat, yeah,
and so we did that.
We didn't do any fishingourselves, we didn't have time,
but we did a lot of hiking andjust had fun.
Oh, and here was a cool thing,one of the coolest things.
Just so happened that we werein Alaska during the Alaska
(05:15):
State Fair.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Oh, how cool is that.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
It's in the little town of Palmer, which is just
north of Anchorage, and so theday our daughter and her
boyfriend were leaving the planedoesn't leave till like 7.45 at
night.
So we were in Homer, we got upreal early, drove to Palmer,
went to the state fair for aboutfive hours.
It was just fun.
(05:39):
It was just a lot of fun andthen we took them to the airport
.
But it's like how often do yousay, yeah, I went to the Alaska
State?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Fair.
Yeah, that's pretty cool.
That was really really cool.
That's awesome, yeah, fun times.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
It was good, it was really good.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
We should start just a travel thing.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, a travel podcast.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I guess we should talk about somebody's at the gym
working out.
Listen to us going reallySeriously, yeah, really.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
We went to Alaska.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
We haven't seen each other for a week.
We literally walked in, westarted podcasting.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
So we're catching up.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
We're just doing it on air with you guys.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, how fun is that ?
Yeah, it was just really good.
And one day like today here inTexas it's like 100 degrees, but
I think the high one day inAlaska was like 54 degrees.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, the low was like 47, but the high was 54.
And it was just like perfectWas it colder on the glacier.
Surprisingly, really not Notthe same.
Yeah, it was about the same.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Was it colder on the glacier?
Surprisingly, really not.
Not the same, yeah it was aboutthe same.
Yeah, I'm just curious.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Now you've got to wear sunglasses because the
light comes off the snow andit's like wow.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Same in a pool.
Yes, yeah, exactly right.
My eyes, my face, your facegets sunburned from the glacier.
Exactly so it was good, it wasreally good.
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
So I was glad to be gone, glad to be back.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And it was just fun being with our daughter and her
boyfriend and it was just fun,so it was just cool.
So I'm from New Mexico.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Okay.
And when I grew up in NewMexico, we had hatch chili.
Okay, hatch chili.
And when I grew up in NewMexico, we had hatch chili Okay.
Hatch chili is like the bestthat I've ever eaten.
It's really good.
So one of my mom's best recipesis chile rellenos with hatch
chili.
Okay, so we go.
(07:33):
We're staying in an Airbnb inAnchorage, we stay in an Airbnb
in all the places, and we go tothe store I think it was a
Kroger or something like that upin Anchorage and guess what
they had there?
What Hatch chili.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Really.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yes, and so I texted my sister, who lives in Colorado
, and I said, hey, do you havemom's chili relleno recipe?
Because I know we have it atthe house, but I didn't think
about bringing it and oh yeah,we're going to get some Hatch
Chili, and so we actually madeChili Rellenos in Anchorage,
alaska, with Hatch.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Chili it was really really good.
How fun is that?
Yeah, it was really fun.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
It was really fun.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
That's awesome.
So, yeah, it's on my list.
We were thinking about goingthis summer, we just didn't make
it up there, so it's one of myfew remaining states left.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, it was good, I'll probably get up there next
year and check it out.
It was really good and just hada lot of fun.
And so you know, don't know ifI'll ever be back, but it's a
great place to go and just had awonderful time.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Just got to build up those trip credits.
Time, just got to build upthose trip credits.
That's exactly right, but it'sgood to be back.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Good to be back in the studio with you.
Yeah, absolutely I'm glad to behere.
Yeah, school's starting for allthe kids and your kids are in
school and all that kind ofstuff.
Yeah, it's back to the routine.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I was trying to get past Labor Day because it's all
the craziness of the schoolbeginning school.
You're in a routine but you'renot really yet.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, you have like a week and a half, two weeks, and
then all of a sudden you get avacation, vacation, it's like
what?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
So this is sort of when you really get hardcore on
everything, get back to you knoweverything, sort of situated.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Mm-hmm, kind of you know get in the groove.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Got to ease into it.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
That's awesome Anyway .
Well, when we were here lastweek we talked a little bit
about John.
We talked about staying in yourlane and how John the Baptist
sort of stayed in his lane hedidn't—everybody.
He kept telling everybody no,I'm not the Messiah, and this is
me, that's your Messiah overthere.
(09:39):
And we talked a lot about thatand he very well could have
stepped up and took that reinsand said I am the person, but he
didn't.
And that's sort of what we sortof got into a little bit.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
But we're going to do a little deeper dive into John
a little bit got into a littlebit, but we're going to do a
little deeper dive into John alittle bit.
Yeah, because I think one ofthe best leadership principles
in the early part of the book ofJohn is from John the Baptist.
It's one of my favorite sayingsin the entire Bible John,
chapter 3, verse 30, where he'stalking about Jesus and he could
(10:16):
have said yes, I'm the Messiah.
I don't know who this guy is,but he said these words which
are so powerful.
He said he meaning Jesus, hemust increase and I must
decrease.
Now, wow, what a powerfulstatement and what a great
leadership principle for thoseof us who have an opportunity to
(10:37):
lead other people in whatever.
And so for me, the mainleadership principle is do I see
my job as a leader to liftother people up or do I need the
focus?
Do I need the attention?
Do I need the praise?
Do I need the accolades or ismy focus to help other people
(10:59):
get those praise, lift them up,encourage them?
And I think it makes adifference between the type of
leader people are is dependingupon.
Is it all about me and megetting the honors and accolades
and the trophies and the thingson the wall, or do I want my
people to have that and that'sjust a really powerful lesson
(11:22):
here from the book of John.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, so when you're dealing with leadership classes,
how do you address that from abusiness point of view?
Whether it's a home builder oranybody else that you teach, how
do you focus on that particulartopic when you teach those
leadership classes?
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Well, you mean, as far as surrounding people, not
being the center of attentionand giving your other people on
the pedestal, it's a multi-partstep, right, you know,
multi-step process.
Basically Because you know oneof the first things I always say
is surround yourself withpeople that's smarter than you,
(12:05):
that has some of your weaknesses, they fill in your weaknesses.
You don't want a clone ofyourself, you know, even though
it's good and you're likehanging out with that person,
but that isn't going to help youin business.
So if you can get everybodythat is and build a team that
you know where your weaknessesand where this person weakness
(12:26):
and this person weakness andthat's their strength, then it's
sort of natural Right.
Because then at a point I'mgoing to give you kudos because
you're taking the stuff that Idon't want to do and you're
excelling at it and I think oneof those things if you surround
yourself with good people, it'sreal easy to put them on a
(12:48):
pedestal and not yourself.
And I always cite a lot of thepeople, a lot of the leaders out
there.
They didn't take the credit,you know and we could go on
everybody.
You know tons of differentpeople and cite those, but I
think the most successful peopleare the ones that really build
(13:09):
the team up.
And if you don't take the timeto build a team up, to be able
to give everybody kudos, thenyou're never going to operate as
the word of a team, you're justgoing to be individuals working
, and I think that's soimportant and it's a leadership,
and I'm not saying that it'seasy.
You know somebody that's young.
I mean, when I was young Ididn't know, I didn't understand
that.
You know, I've never been aperson that really had to have
(13:33):
that kudos.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
But when I was young, there were some times you know
cause I had a lot of people say,hey, let me, let me be your
business partner and I was likeI don't want you to be my
business partner, right?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
No, just starting this company, why would I want
to bring a business partner?
Now, in hindsight, Absolutely,that person had the strength he
was just going to get on thephone and start calling 500
people and get a smart businesswould have been the smartest
thing in the world.
But in my head was like, oh, Idon't, this is my company, right
, it's my baby.
I just started it, you know,like six months ago, uh, but now
, as matured and business,absolutely I would have been
(14:07):
like, yes, let's do it, let'shandshake on this and let's make
some money together, uh, but Imean it's, it's not always the
process, it's not always easy,even for veterans, and a lot of
times people can't give thataway.
But I'm just telling you, onceyou, once you cross the path and
you've been in business longenough, you, you've, you're
going to figure out that that's,that's the path.
And and if you can, you cancheck that.
(14:29):
I've got one of my coachingclients I'm working on right now
to sort of tell him that andand I I've worked with him and
he pretty much didn't take myadvice and at that point, um, he
faltered right.
He had big ego in this.
He was trying to build it witha big ego and now he's in a
(14:51):
reset process with his companybecause, ultimately, um, he
didn't, um, it didn't work outthe way that he wanted.
So he's in a reset rebuildingprocess and he just spent all
that time building up and ithappens.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, so I heard the other day on the radio.
I was driving to the gym orsomething and I heard this
conversation on the radio andthis guy was like a sports
psychologist.
This conversation on the radioand this guy was like a sports
psychologist, yeah, and he wastalking about this, a similar
topic, and he was saying one ofthe keys to success is giving
(15:30):
other people what you want.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
So if you want accolades, okay, if you think I
need it.
If you start giving it to otherpeople want accolades okay, if
you think I need it, if youstart giving it to other people,
then it's amazing how thatreally builds up other people
and then that just brings moresatisfaction and contentment to
your own life.
And I think that's what Johnthe Baptist we're talking about
here is just like the real focusis for a good leader is to help
(15:58):
other people be the best thatthey can be for your company
right now.
So when I was a pastor, mydesire was I was trying to help
the youth director.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Last weekend yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I did preach over the weekend.
I got a call last Thursday.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Our pastor has COVID our pastor has COVID.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
He said hey, can you preach for me?
This is literally what I said.
I said are there going to besnacks?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
afterwards.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I said I'm going to be hungry after I preach.
Are there going to be snacks?
He said I'll make sure there'ssnacks.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I said I'm going to be hungry after I preach.
Are there going to be snacks?
Speaker 2 (16:40):
He said I'll make sure there's snacks.
I said, okay, I'll preach then,nice, nice.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
So it's good pay for retiring right.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I'm looking for a meal.
Get some snacks.
We'll work for food.
We'll preach for food.
We'll preach for snacks.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
That's so funny, you need to blend that into the
sermon right.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I need to you need to get a sign.
We'll preach for snacks.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
There you go you got the whole bag of tricks.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
I should put that on my Facebook page.
We'll preach for snacks.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I love it, but anyway , yeah and go ahead, I'm totally
derailed.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I am so derailed on that one.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Well, here's one thing that I wanted and it sort
of sparked me.
I was watching a survival showover the weekend and this guy
sort of turned it in.
I forget his name, mr Moon orsomething.
He's a military survivalist andeverything, but I loved the way
he said that.
He said he, when he first gotinto, uh, um, the special forces
(17:44):
, they gave him a books likesnakes and insects, what you can
eat, and all this stuff.
It was just overwhelmingbecause I mean, he got you know
14, 15 pages, 15 books with youknow 800 pages, and he goes this
isn't going to work, it's justtoo much.
And I thought it was brilliantwhat he did.
So what he did is he wentthrough all the books and he
(18:06):
ripped out all the pages of thefriendly snakes, every friendly
snake.
He ripped them out and all hedid is studied the ones that
could kill him.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Because if he identified them, as that's a
snake that can kill me, I needto be what, but if I can't
identify it, then it must befriendly.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
And I thought that was brilliant.
And I was thinking about whatwe were doing here.
Think about your weaknesses andyour strengths.
What's the things, what arepeople doing and how can you
streamline your leadershipprocess.
And I thought that was sobrilliant that he sat there and
he literally ripped out all thepages of everything and then all
the food.
He just left the food in therethat he could eat, so he didn't
(18:51):
have to study a hundreddifferent things.
He's like I need to look forthese berries, these things and
this, this, and then it was asimplified process.
It was brilliant.
I never really thought about itas far as putting that into
survivalist and or leadership.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, so it's like you narrow down your focus and
so, instead of focusing oneverything and we talk about
this a lot about settingboundaries and making priorities
and staying in your lane andfocusing on that- so yeah, and I
think, one of the things abouthelping other people do well in
(19:28):
their line whether it'saccounting, whether it's sales,
whatever it could be, technology, whatever it may be is helping
them stay in their lane, makingsure they have the resources to
do their job effectively andmake sure that they understand
that they're valuable to thecompany.
And so different people havedifferent emotional needs.
(19:51):
They might be going through adifficult thing in their family
or their health or their financeor something.
And if you know your people, ifyou take time to get to know
them outside of work I'm notsaying go have dinner with them,
but I'm just saying know what'sgoing on in their life they
realize that you care for themand they will be more committed
(20:13):
to you and to the company 100%.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, so it's really good, it's pretty good.
So snacks, snacks yeah, so it'sreally good, it's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
So yeah, snacks.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Snacks.
Well, let's see, posey, I'mrunning a little low on snacks.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I better get some snacks here in the studio I had
tons of snacks here.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I think your kids ate them over the summer.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
They did actually they said Dad, are we going to
your office today Because I wantsome snacks?
Speaker 1 (20:37):
They actually did eat a lot of my snacks.
I got to replenish.
But, yeah, they cleaned me out.
We come over here a lot.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
You do.
So let's focus on some of thesame topic, but go back in the
book of John.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yes, let's go.
Start at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, start at the beginning.
Well, I'm going to really startin John 2.
I know we talked about John 1.
We talked a little bit aboutJohn 3 with John the Baptist,
but in John 2, and this is in adifferent place in the Bible
than it is in other books inJohn 2.
Jesus goes into the temple andhe cleanses the temple, and
(21:16):
that's in John, chapter 2.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Now he also makes water into wine?
Yeah, he does.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
That's very important for some, yes, very very
important chapter, but he clearsthe temple, and so this would
be one of the things that Ithink really helps define a good
leader.
You know, jesus knew boundaries, but he was willing to address
(21:42):
a difficult situation.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
And you know, I think good leaders are willing to
address a difficult situation.
They might not have to eat thewhole elephant at one time, but
they're willing to take stepsover time to address situations.
And I've met too many peoplethat just say you know what, I'm
just not going to deal with it,I'm just going to let it and
(22:08):
hopefully it'll resolve itself.
Normally that doesn't happenokay.
It festers and it just becomes abigger problem, especially if
there's conflict between people,you know, personnel issues or
something like that.
It doesn't solve itself.
You've got to sit down andaddress it and Jesus was very
willing to address Now.
(22:30):
He did it delicately.
Now he cleansed in the temple.
He didn't, he wasn't delicateabout it, you know, he was
really forceful about it and hewanted to make a point.
And sometimes leaders have tobe firm and make a point.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Timing matters.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Timing was really yes timing and when you do that and
how you do it, and not justwhat you say but how you say it,
your intonation of your voice,Not just what you say but how
you say it, your intonation ofyour voice, and so all of those
things Jesus is willing to do,and I think it's a very good
example of leadership principlesthat, unfortunately, too many
(23:11):
leaders just don't do.
But just taking those smallsteps to address difficult
situations will make everybody abetter leader.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, 100% yeah.
So what about the water to wine?
Thing I mean there might besomebody in the gym right now
that is looking for water towine.
I don't know, and I'm beinghonest, I know I'm throwing fun
at it, but tell us, okay, sothis is the scenario.
(23:42):
Tell us the scenario of thisright.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
So Jesus goes to a wedding.
He's invited His mom's there,disciples are there, and back
then, like nowadays you go to awedding, the reception would
last a couple hours, right,depending upon how long the
family rented the venue.
Right Back then a wedding wouldlast for days.
(24:05):
That was just their tradition.
And so, you know, they had wineand they ran out of wine and
Jesus' mom comes to him and says, hey, they ran out of wine and
he goes.
You know, it's not my time, shegoes.
No, you know, I think it's good.
She didn't say that, but it'slike, son, you can do something
(24:27):
about this, you know.
And so he just says to theservants, he says, hey, see
those jars over there, just fillthem up with water.
Now take some and take it tothe, you know, master of the
ceremony.
So in that the water turns intowine.
It was Jesus' first miracle andthis is the, I think, the
leadership principle that I getfrom that.
(24:48):
First of all, the biblicalprinciple is that Jesus did
miracles, but the leadershipprinciple and also biblical is
that transformation is possible.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Okay, that's a good way.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
So think about a person you know you might have,
a person that's not performingwell.
The question is are you willingto invest in that person for
transformation or are you justsaying no, not going to happen?
Do you do a performance eval?
Do you do expectations?
Do you set goals?
Do you set timelines?
You know all those kind ofthings.
(25:21):
Are you really envisioning thatthis person is going to be
better?
Are you giving them a chance tobe better, or are you just
saying you know what?
No, now the thing about it isare you coaching them?
Are you helping them?
Are you sending them acontinuing education?
Are you just assuming they'regoing to get better on their own
(25:43):
?
A lot of times people don't getbetter on their own.
They need some type of guidance.
They need something to say oh,that's how you do it.
Okay, just thinking of let'sjust think of a program, excel.
Just think of Excel.
I really don't know how to doExcel at all.
Period.
(26:03):
Okay, I mean seriously, I haveit on my computer but I very
rarely use it.
I don't know how.
But there's some people who arejust incredibly experienced
with Excel and they know all theshortcuts and all this kind of
stuff experienced with Excel andthey know all the shortcuts and
all this kind of stuff.
It's like if your person inyour team needs to use that, but
(26:26):
they really have no experience,then why don't you send them to
a class so they learn how to dothat better?
It will make them moreconfident, it will speed up the
process, they'll have moreconfidence in their job, they'll
know that you believe in them,and so everybody wins.
It's like a win-win situation.
But to me, the principle is istransformation possible?
(26:47):
Are you allowing that to happenin your organization?
Are you planning for it?
Are you budgeting for it?
Are you even believing it'spossible?
Speaker 1 (26:55):
So that's one of the principles I think is from that
particular passage Maybe thinkof transformation, as I used to
be back in the seminar circuitway back when right.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
And they called me up and they said can you teach
Excel class?
I'm like I think, so I've usedExcel since it became Excel
right.
And they said well, you know, Ilooked at the thing, there was
an Excel class coming to Dallas,right.
And he says, well, you know,I'm like, let me.
I looked at the thing, therewas a Excel class coming to
Dallas, right.
And I said I'm going to bop inthe class that Johnny's teaching
(27:28):
, right, and I'll see what it'sall about, because I had never
taught that class and I boppedinto the class and I've sitting
there help check people in.
There was room for it and and loand behold, he starts going
through this class and I'm likeI don't know anything about
Excel.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I kept raising my hand asking questions.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
He's looking at me like seriously, I'm like I don't
know you're teaching a goodclass.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I need to know how did you do that?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
can you do?
He was doing shortcuts likeblink, blink, blink, blink.
I'm like what, go back?
And I called him up.
I'm like no, I don't knowanything about Excel apparently,
so I won't be teaching that one.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, but in your business, when you're dealing
with home owners and productsand all that kind of stuff, you
need to know stuff like that, orat least have somebody on your
team that knows how to do it.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I got tons of spreadsheets.
I use Excel multiple, multipletimes, but apparently I just
take a look and I knew I don'tuse it as much.
But I mean, this kid wasbrilliant at Excel.
He was so over the top.
I was like wow.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, some people really know, but here let's just
take that same thing, not withthis, but the same principle.
Maybe you have somebody who youjust hired.
You know they might not havethe you know.
Years ago we used to hirebecause of people's resume,
their experience.
The more I became experiencedas a pastor, the more I realized
(28:57):
, hey, I need to hire peoplethat get along with the team,
they're a good team member andthey've got great personality,
have energy, they bring their Agame all the time and if they
don't know what I want, I canteach them what I want them to
do, okay.
And so instead of just bringingthem on and just let them go,
(29:22):
just kind of figure it outthemselves and I think Jesus was
, you know, here in John,chapter 2, just like no, I
believe in that a transformationis possible, and the more you
invest in your people, the morethe company benefits and
everybody benefits.
So, I think that's a really goodprinciple.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah, absolutely Wow.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Wow.
John chapter two.
John chapter two.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
And we, you know, pushing up our time for just dad
jokes.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yeah, we should, because in John chapter three,
we talk about Nicodemus, and Ithink that, right, there needs
more time than we have allowedfor this.
We just got a few minutesremaining today, and so I'd
really like to wait and to talkabout Nicodemus next week,
because I think there's somereally valuable leadership
(30:13):
principles in John 3.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Plus, we had some feedback about the show.
Right, Didn't you get somefeedback about some of the best
parts of the show?
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yes, I did so on the way in today to the studio.
I talked to my sister who livesin Colorado, in Greeley, and I
talked to my nephew who lives inLouisville, Kentucky, and both
of them were so complimentary ofthe show.
It was so humbling.
But what they really likedabout the show was the dad jokes
(30:45):
, I'm thinking well, okay, maybewe need to have more dad jokes
and less Bible.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
You know somebody's out there listening going.
No, no, please, please.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
No more dad jokes.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, yeah, sorry those aren't going away.
They make us smile, right youknow what happens?
Speaker 2 (31:05):
my kids like the dad jokes.
They do your kids, uh, love dadjoke.
Do you know what happens when adoctor gets frustrated?
No he or she loses his patiencehey what do you call a dog
(31:26):
that's underwater?
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I'm sure I should know this one.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
You should know this one.
It sounds pretty easy, so goahead.
A subwoofer.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Oh boy, I can do a couple of them.
Groaners how does a train eat?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
How does a train eat?
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yeah, how does a train eat?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
One card at a time, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
It goes choo-choo.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Oh choo-choo, okay, oh boy, you know what?
Someone keeps sending me celeryanonymously.
I think I'm being stalked.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Nice, all right, one more from me.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
No, I'll let you have one more.
How do you make One?
I can't just stop with one.
Oh no, I know, it's like Lay'spotato chips.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
How do you make gold soup?
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Gold soup, yeah, gold soup, I don't know, gold soup,
I don't know, put 24 carrots init.
Okay, you know, I've beenpracticing my guitar.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
You have?
Yeah, I got one right there foryou.
I know I got a busted string, Isaw it.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I got to fix the string.
That's all right, it'll soundthe same with me.
Anyway, we're starting a bandand it's called Blanket.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, we're a cover band there you go.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
I like it All right, you got one more.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
No, all right I mean I do, but I don't know if you
know.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Don't know if the people can handle it, so that's
fine, we can.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
We got you know so we're right, we're the first of
September, right?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
So Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
His summer wasn't too badeither.
We should have stopped before Isaid that one.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
All right, brother, all right.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Let's sign off for the day.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
All right.
Well, guys, thank you forhanging out with us and just
being part of our show.
Yes, About every conversation.
We have a lot of fun with this.
So thank you for tuning in,Thank you for being part of it.
Other than that, check us out.
Biblicalleadershipshowcom.
What do you have?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Well, I'm just going to say three weeks from Friday
the 26th of September is oursecond anniversary of being on a
podcast.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
That is so awesome, so we'll have our anniversary
show on the 23rd.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Okay, so a little bit early, but that's our second
anniversary show, so, those ofyou who are listening, if
there's anything you would likefor us to focus on other than
more dad jokes.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
For the second anniversary show.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
You know, please show .
Yes, you know, please let usknow.
You know, send us an email.
Whatever We'd love to work in,whatever you have suggestions.
Now we're going to continuethrough the book of John.
You know, the book of John.
It took us four weeks to getthrough the book of Luke.
It's probably going to take usanother two to three weeks to
get through the book of John.
So we'll probably be in thebook of John.
(34:41):
But on that particular day,which is our anniversary, we
might focus on something else,just because it's our second
anniversary and we're excited tobe on the air for two years now
.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
You're just looking forward to the New Year's Eve.
If you guys didn't listen toour new year's eve show, it's
pretty much 100 dad jokes, itwas like 120, it was so awesome
yeah and I know you guys.
You just got to see the spreadof dad jokes over here on the
side table here, you know, I gotone two, three, three, three
(35:14):
sources of dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
yeah, they, they're books.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
They're stacked things.
Hey, all right, guys, check usout biblicalleadershipshowcom.
Come back, hang out with usnext week and, dr Posey, take us
out.
Make it a great day, thank you.
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