December 3, 2024 • 37 mins
Ever had spaghetti and pumpkin pie for Thanksgiving dinner? Dr. Dean Posey shares this unusual holiday meal along with Tim Lansford's stories from his family road trip to Chicago, highlighting the joys and stresses of the season. We dive into the festive spirit with discussions on Christmas preparations and the importance of cherishing time with loved ones. Dean also provides a candid health update, turning a recent basal cell skin cancer diagnosis into a lighthearted moment and a reminder of the importance of health vigilance.
We venture into the wisdom of Proverbs, exploring how a chapter-a-day habit can lead to profound spiritual growth. Highlighting the significance of vision, inspired by Proverbs 29:18, we discuss its crucial role in leadership and motivating teams to prevent stagnation. Integrity is also on the table, as we stress its foundational importance in leadership, underscored by biblical insights. The conversation weaves through maintaining honest communication and setting examples that foster trust within organizations and communities.
Adding a sprinkle of humor, we reminisce with father-son dad jokes and childhood tales from Albuquerque, all wrapped up with holiday indulgences and post-Thanksgiving detox plans. We celebrate small personal victories, like mastering homemade pie crust, while looking ahead to recovery from surgery and athletic goals, like a potential triathlon. Our heartfelt gratitude extends to our listeners, encouraging everyone to prioritize self-care during this festive season.
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
all right, all right, welcome, welcome, welcome.
Welcome to another excitingepisode of the Biblical
Leadership Show.
My name is Mr Tim Lansford, andwith me is the doctor.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Dr Dean Posey.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Dr Dean Posey.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
How are you doing?
I'm doing really good.
How was your turkey day?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I've gained some weight since the last week Diet
went to nothing.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
But yeah, other than that it's hard to be on a diet
during the holidays.
It is, let's just be honest, itis.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
But it's fun and I had time.
We went up to Chicago, did alittle road trip and visited a
wife's family.
Good and excited to be back,Rolled in late last night and
had my fill of everything.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
So I'm ready to be back in Texas.
Yeah, we had a great week, somy mother-in-law came over for
Thanksgiving.
We had non-traditional, but wehad spaghetti and pumpkin pie.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
You said you were going to do it.
We did Spaghetti and pumpkinpie.
It was really good.
We had meatballs and turkey andham.
We had all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
And then after that the next couple of days we
decorate the house for Christmas.
So we like to get that doneright by the Thanksgiving
weekend, just so we can enjoy itfor a month.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
You know, and kids are coming in, like the week of
Christmas, which will be we'llhave a great full house and
it'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah Well, my wife hasn't told me, but I guarantee
my honey do list this week isputting up Christmas stuff Cause
I rolled back in theneighborhood.
Like you know, it was after aminute around midnight last
night and you know all thelights were on everything's
decorated a lot of houses in theneighborhood.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
And she just says she's like, like oh, it would be
so nice if our house had lightson it.
It's coming.
It's coming within the nextcouple days.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Let's get up in the attic, get these down and you
need to get the busy.
So oh yeah, but that's that'ssort of where we're at.
You know, it's exciting I it'salways time to spend time with
uh family and friends.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
It is, you know, and uh, that's part of what holidays
are all about spending timewith family and friends.
Yes, it is, isn't it, you know,and it's a good thing.
That's part of what holidaysare all about spending time with
the people you love Kids.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
We get to drive through a lot of snow coming
back and winter weather and allthat stuff, so the kids got a
full dose of everything you know, family and hanging out and
playing in the snow.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Well, that is really really good, really good, really
good, really good, yeah, soyeah, so just, a side note.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Um, you can't see it because obviously we're on a
podcast.
Yes, he didn't know.
I had this teed up.
Yeah, so we have rudolph.
Yeah, so a little health update.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Um, I was.
I had a biopsy on my nose hereabout a month ago and came back
with a basal cell issue of skincancer, and so I'm going to have
some surgery done the firstpart of the year, but for the
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last 14 days I've had to putthis chemo cream on my nose
because they wanted to get ridof all the other potential
cancer issues pre-cancerousstuff and so I just finished
that on Saturday and thedermatologist did say it's going
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to turn your nose red.
Well, it did.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
And it looks like a bad sunburn.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
So yes, and so here's Rudolph here in the studio
today.
I've got to wait for a month.
I've got to see the doctortomorrow, the surgeon that's
going to do the surgery.
I've got to see him tomorrow,but they said I have to wait for
a month for my nose, the skinon my nose, to heal before they
can do the surgery.
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So that's going to be sometimein January.
Don't know the date yet.
I'll keep you all up to date.
And so that's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
But right now Do you ever know the rapper Humpty?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
No.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
See, we need to play Humpty Dance for you because he
covered up his nose.
He always had this big red noseand stuff.
So he's got this Humpty rapperback in the day 1990s.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I don't know if this is going to happen with our
family or not, but they havebeen threatening to everybody.
Get a big Rudolph nose, likeone of those big red clown noses
, and put it on, just so I'dfeel better.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Nice yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I don't know if I'll feel better.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I don't know if you'll feel better, but you're
embracing it.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, I'm embracing it.
Here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
We have a nose made for radio right, yes, I do.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, someone told me I have a great face for radio.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Right, exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
But here's the issue.
I think we can all learn fromthis.
If you have even a hint of ahealth issue.
Okay, because, about I guess itwas about two months ago, maybe
two and a half months ago Iwent to the dermatologist for my
just regular checkup and shesaid, hmm, what's that on your
nose?
And I said, well, it just lookslike a little bump.
And she said, well, I'm goingto biopsy it and let's just make
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sure it's nothing.
Well, it was something.
And so I'm thinking any healthissue you know, whatever it may
be it could be like skin cancer,like I have, or any other issue
it's so important to beproactive with your health,
because if you put it off toolong, then it can have some
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issues that you don't want tohave, and so it's always good to
be proactive with your healthand um, so doing that, um, and
this is nothing compared to whatsome people go through yeah,
one of my, uh, one of my clients.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
She just had a full nose reconstruction.
Basically they had to take outpretty much a good chunk of that
.
So, yeah, so I just had toreconstruct everything.
So she just went through itlast month.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, but anyway, no matter what your health issue is
.
It could be skin cancer, itcould be something wrong with
your insides, it could bewhatever.
Just be proactive, go see yourdoctor and get it taken care of.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Before it becomes a real, real problem.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I think you've got one body.
You got to take care of it.
Yes, exactly right.
So what are we talking about onthis fine day?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
We're talking about the next book in the Bible.
So last week we talked aboutPsalms, today we're going to
talk about Proverbs, proverbs,and so let's just give a kind of
a little lesson on biblicalstructure.
So Proverbs is what's calledpart of the wisdom literature of
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the Bible.
So the wisdom literature isdifferent than the law, which
would be the first five books ofthe Torah.
It's different than propheticbooks, like you know, like
Ezekiel or Jeremiah Isaiah.
It's not a prophet, it's not ahistory book, it's not like
Joshua or Kings or Chronicles oranything like that, or Nehemiah
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or Esther.
It's not the Psalms, it iswisdom.
And so you have Proverbs,ecclesiastic and Job as a part
of the wisdom literature of theBible.
And so the wisdom literature isthere to help us not just learn
more about life, but also learnmore about God.
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And so if you look at theProverbs, especially right in
the middle of the book, there isjust hundreds of incredibly
wise teachings that so much ofit just applies to our life,
even though these were writtenthousands of years ago.
Still very, very good, andthere's 31 chapters of the book
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of Proverbs.
And so if you're not readingthe Bible on a daily basis, or
even if you are one of the bookof Proverbs, and so if you're
not reading the Bible on a dailybasis, or even if you are, one
of the things that many peopledo is they read one proverb like
chapter one on day one of themonth, chapter two on day two of
the month, chapter three on daythree, and so every month
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they're reading through theentire book of Proverbs, and
that's just a good habit andthere's so much wisdom in that
that the more you read, it'slike just digging deeper into
the wisdom of God, and so Iwould just encourage our
listeners to do that if you wantto learn.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
So this is the third, so you only have a couple that
you'd have to catch up on, oryou could take this and make
this a New Year's resolution.
Yes, exactly right Startstraight up if you don't want to
reread the first couple and allthat.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, just start and just say, hey, I'm going to read
one proverb, like for me, Iread one chapter of the Old
Testament, one chapter of theNew Testament every day, and so
if you want to do that, or ifyou want to just add to that,
which would be very easy to do,it'll take five minutes.
And you don't read to, justread it, just to check it off
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the list.
You want to read it to absorbthe wisdom.
And the Bible is not just aboutgaining information, it's about
transformation.
About gaining information, it'sabout transformation, and so
the goal, one of the goals, Ithink, of the Scripture is to
help us be transformed more likeJesus.
And so by doing that, byreading the Proverbs, we can
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begin to think okay, what wouldit be like for me to have a more
godly life?
And Proverbs is a great way tobegin to learn how to do that.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
All right, I got a question.
Sure, highlight in writing inyour Bible versus not.
I hear both sides.
Right, some people I mean it'smarked up, I mean you can't find
a dry spot on there to evenwrite a hello on there.
And then other people are like,no, this is.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Well, you know, my personal preference right now is
I underline in my Bible, Iwrite notes to my Bible.
Right, I used to not do that,but then the more I read,
sometimes there would be like,wow, that like I might be going
through something or something'son my mind and I read a passage
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of Scripture that really speaksto that.
I will actually underline thatpassage.
I might even put the date by itand then write down why that's
so important, so that when Iread that passage again another
time could be a year later orwhatever then it's like oh yeah,
I remember that.
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So for me, writing or not justunderlining, writing notes in my
Bible to me is a reminder ofGod's faithfulness, of insights
I have about the scriptures thathave helped me become a
stronger person in faith.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Right, I'm just curious.
We go back and forth because Ihear a lot of different things
and I don't know what you hearon that side or not.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I just see it with sitting in the stairs and some
people say, no, it's too sacredof a book, I don't want to write
it.
Well, that's their prerogative.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
And.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I used to feel that way and then I realized, no,
there's so much I'm learningthat if I write it down in my
Bible then I can remember thatinstead of having to look at
another book.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
So yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
All right, so Proverbs, proverbs.
Let's just skip toward the backof the book, chapter 29.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Chapter 29.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Proverbs 29, 18.
This might be one of the mostquoted sentences in the entire
book of Proverbs.
Okay, so in the King JamesVersion it says this where there
is no vision, the people perish.
Now, a preacher joke is aboutthis verse when there is no
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vision, the people turn into aparish.
Okay, all right, but what agreat leadership principle.
There's so many greatleadership principles in the
book of Proverbs.
We're going to focus on this oneright now because it's so
powerful.
We've talked about it quite abit in our podcast over the last
year, and that is theimportance of the leader setting
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the vision.
What is going to happen withyour organization?
Let's just say, what is goingto happen with your family?
What's going to happen withyour business?
Maybe you're a part of aneighborhood organization, you
know an HMO or something likethat, a softball team.
What is the vision?
What is your outcome objectivefor that particular organization
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?
Whether it's just yourself andyou're a mom-and-pop bakery, or
you're in charge of 1,000employees, what is the vision
for that?
And to me, that is such apowerful lesson that if you
don't have a vision, if youdon't say, hey, this is where
we're going over the next year,or two years or three years.
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This is where I feel we areheaded.
If you don't have that, it's soeasy to just kind of have
stagnation in your organization.
People don't really know whatthe purpose is, it's hard to get
people motivated and those kindof things.
So, tim, why don't you justjump in that?
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As far as you know, you've beena home builder for a long long
time.
Right, if you didn't have avision of what a house is going
to look like when it's done,just like okay, carpenters, you
do whatever you want, plumbers,you do whatever you want, how
would that be?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
That's just a great vision in general, right.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Just do whatever you like.
Do whatever you feel like.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Whatever, you put the doors where you want, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Put the windows where you want.
Put the windows where you want.
Yeah, oh, you mean no windows,that would actually be a fun
project.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Have some people just come together, maybe we can
have some fun on them.
I mean, I can do something withthat, you know.
But yeah, I mean, here's thething you have to have that
compelling vision inspires, youknow it, unites teams.
Make sure you're on the samepage and and you get the shared
goals, your shared vision, yourshared timeline.
You know, and that's that'swhat you're trying to accomplish
.
And and and I think that'swhere they're going is you have
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to have this because if you, ifyou're, everything's in the line
.
I tell people, you know, if, ifyou're your personal mission
statement and your departmentmission statement, or your
company mission statement, andthen the overall company mission
statement, they're all in line,then everything's happy, right,
you're working towards thegreater good.
But if you don't know what oneside is doing compared to the
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other side, then it's nevergoing to work out good for you.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, so let's just take home building for just a
minute.
So someone calls you.
Let's say, someone calls youthis afternoon and says hey, Tim
, I want to hire you to build usa home.
You're not just going to go offand design.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
The phone lines are open now.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
You're not just going to go off and build something
and they have no input in it.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
No.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
You're going to sit down with the family.
You're going to sit down withthe architect.
You're going to sit down withthe family.
You're going to sit down withthe architect.
You're going to brainstorm andsay, okay, this is kind of what
we're thinking, and then thearchitect will sit there and
draw it out.
Then you'll think, no, that'snot exactly how I want it.
So it'd be a while a process.
But to me, what a great lessonfor any organization and that is
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get input.
If you're new to the leadership, you want input from your staff
.
You want input from yourcoworkers, your employees.
It's like, okay, you've beenhere like 20 years, I'm the new
guy, I'm the new boss.
Where do you see us going?
Where do you see us moving inthe future?
Now, it might be up to you toactually make that decision
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right, but it's not a bad thingto get input from the people so
that you can have a knowledge ofwhere you want the organization
or where you feel theorganization should go.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah, I mean that just gives you that little, that
little dot on the wall that youcan throw the dart at, you know
.
So we're all working towardsthat.
And and if, if we can provideclarity, if, if a homeowner can
provide clarity to me, I canprovide clarity down to my
people and make sure we'reaccomplishing that, if, if we've
had jobs that we had no clarity, I mean it's pretty much, tim,
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just do what you want.
I'm like, well, I don't livethere.
I mean, no, it's fine, we trustyou.
I'm like it's not really ahappy happy.
You know, just pick the paintcolors.
Again, I don't live there, butI'd paint, pick them and they're
like yep, that's what we'll gowith, and your door here and
we're going to do this, and thisis kind of tough.
Yep, okay, and it was a veryinteresting project.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I had one of those.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I literally just picked out things for their
house and just they were happywith it, everything.
But yeah, but if you're able toget that information to you and
you can take that informationand disperse it to all the
people under you and that givesa common goal, and then we're
all on the same page and Iguarantee you're going to have a
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much smoother project and orrelationship, with everybody
working towards the same goal.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Right, and it's important to know and to
remember that the larger theorganization, the longer it
takes for that vision to go downto everybody, you know, to
upper management, you knowmid-management, you know
whatever.
And so it's important that youreally think about the vision
and now that we're coming up onthe new year, you know 2025 is
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going to be just around thecorner.
Think okay, what is your visionfor 2025, 26, 27?
You don't want to change itevery year because by the time
you change it, not everybody hasincorporated that into their
mindset, and so it's importantto stay with that for a while.
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So everybody's on board, andthe more people that are on
board, then the better theorganization is going to be, and
you want to make sure thateverybody not just buys into it,
but understands their role inaccomplishing that vision.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
And that's so of those things that a vision needs
to be constantly reemphasized.
I guess what I'm saying is, inevery seminar I do, out of 50,
100 people in a room, theremight be one or two that know
their vision statement, theirmission statement of their
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company.
I've said it here many timesand it's a very sad reality Most
people don't know, so make iteasy, make it short, make it,
even if it's values.
Just have something where youcan put it in people's head,
because a lot of people theydon't know, they don't have a
clue where the company's headed,they're just showing up to work
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, doing it in their own littleworld, doing their own little
section of it, and companiescould be much more successful if
they would just listen to thatlittle tidbit of advice.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Correct.
And so it's like not only doyou want everybody to know the
vision, but how does my work ona daily basis make that vision a
reality?
Right, and that takes time, youknow.
You might have to sit down witheach person, if you're a small
organization, and just say, okay, let's talk about this.
How can we tweak what you do?
Or maybe what you're doing isperfect, but if it's not, we can
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tweak it just a little bit.
So you stop doing this thing andstart doing this thing, which
is more in lines with the visionof the organization.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Right, I like it.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Well, that's a great leadership principle from the
Book of Proverbs.
There's another one.
I think that the theme, one ofthe main themes, of this book is
the issue of integrity.
Integrity not just before God,but before other people.
And so I was reading and I wastelling Tim this before during
our show prep that I read asurvey by the Robert Half
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Management Resources, and intheir survey they said that 75%
of employees that theyinterviewed said that, hands
down, integrity was the mostimportant attribute in a leader,
um, more than fairness,decisiveness or strategic
mindset, um and um.
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And so that was to me amazingstatistic that the, the
integrity of the leader, is whatthe people under that leader
are looking for most.
Yes, they need a vision, yes,they need clarity, yes, they
need a decisive person, notnecessarily autocratic, but
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decisive, but they really wantsomeone with integrity.
And so the Bible, especially inthe book of Proverbs, really
focuses on that.
And so here, just one, proverbs10, 9, says the one who lives
with integrity lives securely.
But whoever perverts his wayswill be found out.
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And so it's just talking aboutthe importance of being real,
the importance of havingintegrity on a day-to-day basis
and realizing that it's what youdo, what you say, what you
don't do, what you don't say.
People are watching the leader,they're always watching the
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leader, and one mistake can setyou back for a long time in the
eyes of the people, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Another one on integrity I have down is
Proverbs 11.3.
It talks about the integrity ofthe upright, guides them right,
but the unfaithful aredestroyed by their duplicity.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yes, that too yeah, that too yeah.
Proverbs 11.3.
Yeah, the integrity.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
You know it's the cornerstone of effective
leadership.
You know when you want to lookat it that way.
So I think integrity is justone of those things that, as you
said, that you know people theywant to have.
I've left companies beforebecause I didn't feel that the
owner had integrity.
You know it was a great jobthat the owner had integrity.
You know it was a great job.
I was making great money backin corporate, but it just did
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not have integrity, the valuesand we've talked about it and it
wasn't worth it.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yes, here's another from Proverbs 28.6.
It says this Better the poorperson who lives with integrity
than the rich one who distortsright and wrong.
Wow, that is powerful, that isreally, really powerful.
So let's just talk aboutintegrity of our words, you know
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.
Integrity of our actions,integrity.
Here's another one Integrity ofour tone of voice.
Just the tone of voice that weuse with our employees it could
be at a staff meeting Just thetone of voice is so important
that we just make to be surethat we are communicating with
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integrity.
We're not slamming people,we're not putting them down.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Tone of voice always leads me into body language,
because I teach body languageand you know it's the whole
package right?
The tone of voice, how you'representing it with your body
language.
Are you putting mixed signalsout in the world when you're
talking to your people?
You know all those things willput that little doubt seed in
somebody's head and you want tobe able to avoid that.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yes, somebody's head and you want to be able to avoid
that?
Yes, and so one of the thingsthat I think is important as far
as this issue of integrity isokay.
Say, for example, you have oneof your people could be coworker
, could be employee, whatever,but you're in charge of them and
they're not doing their job.
Well, they're just not and youknow that, or you find out about
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it.
Here's the thing that justdrives me crazy is when people
correct another person in publicinstead of calling them to the
office and talking about it inprivate.
When you do that to someone inpublic, what does that
communicate to the other peoplethat are listening?
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It's like wow, that couldhappen to me someday.
And sometimes the person whoyou're criticizing doesn't even
know that they're doingsomething wrong, and then all of
a sudden, you call them out infront of other people.
That, to me, has no integrityat all.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, no, it's, you know they always.
You know I say that and andhere's the one of the reasons
you know that's very, veryimportant to that.
It doesn't matter if thisperson is the person that needed
to be disciplined, it's theperson needs to be fired.
There there's a somethinghappens on our human brain that
you'll defend the weak ifthey're getting yelled at and
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all that.
So some of your number two,three and four best employees
and this is number 12, but he'sgetting yelled at the mentality
of two, three and four a lot oftimes will change, and sometimes
you can change it throughgroupthink, where they'll start
defending and they'll startthinking, oh, they have not.
And it changes the wholedepartment.
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I've had a lot of things I'vedone on executive coaching and
stuff that they did.
This exact thing is they yelledat somebody in front of
everybody and that changed thewhole department.
So we had to work hard to comeup with a plan for this lady to
be able to get her departmentback, because she'd lost control
of her department.
They had no faith in her andthey didn't really want to work
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for her anymore.
So it was very interesting theway that works in our human
brain.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, and we have to be very careful because let's
just say, we just got the reportof the last quarter profits or
the supply chain is something,and we just got a report five
minutes before we walk into astaff meeting and we're upset,
we need to be very, verycautious that we don't let that
emotion filter into our staffmeeting and then blow up at
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somebody, because it could takeus a long time to regroup, like
you said, and to make that right.
It just does, yeah, andintegrity I mean we to make that
right.
It just does.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah, and integrity, I mean we can take that from
even a different standpoint.
Just integrity in the church ingeneral.
You know I've known churchesand I'm sure you've had stories
where just church, the overallbig picture of integrity or not,
versus integrity of thechurches of the world, you know,
could get a bad rap on that,you know.
So you can even take it biggerthan just one person's integrity
(27:47):
.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yes, exactly right.
So this like the integrity ofyour not just your person but,
integrity of your business.
Are you known as someone whorips people off?
Do you say one thing and thencharge them something else?
You know, to me that's so.
That's a whole thing.
And really to me it starts fromthe top down, and so whoever
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the leader is sets the tone forthe integrity of the
organization, and if there's ahistory of abuse or whatever, it
could take a while to get allrid of that, but it really does
start from the top down.
That's one reason why it's soimportant for the leader to have
integrity.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Wow, I know, look at that Look at that.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
We haven't even had one dad joke.
This entire time I've got ajoke.
My boy pulled out on me.
Okay, you mean like over thislast weekend.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah, a couple of days ago.
Okay, I'm ready.
He comes up.
He goes, dad, dad, I go.
Yeah, he was all serious.
He goes.
Do you want to hear aconstruction joke?
And I'm like well, yes, I wantto hear a construction joke.
He goes okay, oh, wait a second, I'm still working on it.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Oh, that's good.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
That was pretty good.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
He set it up and everything.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I was like, wow, look at you.
I said you can do better on.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
That's really good.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
So yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
So, anyway, I was still working on it.
Way to go, luke.
That's awesome, my goodness.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I don't know where he picked it up, but that was a
good one.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
That was a good one.
I don't know, Maybe he got itfrom the emergency dad joke box.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
He might have got it from the emergency dad joke box.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Okay, I think we've already said this one, but I'm
just pulling from the dad jokebox right now.
What do you call a potato thatwears glasses?
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Potato that wears glasses.
Potato that wears glasses?
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I do not know a spectator, I've heard that, I
know you've heard it, I thinkwe've said it about four times.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I was like wait a second.
I've heard that one before.
I was just there.
I'm seeing if I had any goodones other than that.
That that was my joke of theweek really.
You know, that was the that wasthan that.
That was my joke of the weekreally.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
That was it.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I mean, that was my joke of the week.
I just thought that was such agreat joke.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I was all excited about telling you that one.
I've got some good jokes aboutumbrellas, but they usually go
over people's heads.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Of course they do.
Of course they do.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Oh yes.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I was sitting there, I had a you have another one.
No, no, no, no.
I was looking for somethingelse.
I was looking, uh, I thought Ihad a uh, uh, a funny one to tie
into Proverbs that I'd wrotedown.
I was checking it was that one,but I don't know something
(30:44):
about.
I thought it was somethingabout Proverbs, about fools and
something that ties into jokes,so anyway we'll just let that
one go.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Alright, what else you?
Speaker 1 (30:54):
got on that emergency dad joke.
Probably one or two more.
Let's just one more.
Here we go.
Oh yeah, all right, what elseyou got?
Speaker 2 (30:57):
on that emergency dad joke.
Probably one or two more.
Let's just one more.
Here we go.
Oh yeah, Did you hear about theman that lost his job at the
canned juice factory?
He just couldn't concentrate.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Oh my gosh, Wait, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Oh no, that's not even the right button.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I hit two of them at the same time.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Oh, did you hear?
Last night I had the strangestdream.
I had the strangest dream.
I dreamed about being a muffler, A muffler.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah, and I just woke up exhausted.
All right.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I give you that one I sort of like that one.
You like that one Every once ina while.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
You know I got to pull something out there.
That's great.
So all right, I don't know.
One more.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
You know, do you remember growing up?
So when we were growing up, Igrew up in Albuquerque, new
Mexico, and a certain time ofyear our yard was full of clover
and we would pick the cloverand tie it into knots, one after
another, and make a cloverchain across the street,
literally.
I mean, this thing was like 20feet long and one kid would
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stand on one side of the streetand the other kid and we didn't
have that many cars, um, comingdown our street.
But when we saw a car, we wouldlay this, this, the clover
chain, across the street andhold it up and the cars would
just stop and we we'd say, no,go on, go on, go on.
And they would finally gothrough the clover chain and
break it and we would cheer andall that kind of stuff.
(32:36):
Well, that led me to this onelast joke.
Okay, you know why you shouldnever iron a four-leaf clover?
You know a four-leaf clover issupposed to be good luck.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
It is Okay.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
So you know why you should never iron a four-leaf
clover.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
I do not.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Because it's better if you don't press your luck.
Yeah, that's appropriate, rightthere.
That's great I.
I I was the four leaf, uh,clover guy I I could find.
I found so many of those oh, mygoodness, I always put them in
the books and you know, pressthem, yeah, and all that stuff
(33:11):
and just I keep opening booksall the time.
I'm like oh look for at leastwe could hardly ever find.
Oh my gosh, but we looked.
Yeah, we a lot, but we nevercould find one.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I love that stuff.
My brain just went boom.
I still, even when I walk alittle clover past, it's got
like the analytics going in mybrain.
Trying to find a poorly-floatedyeah just looking down, I still
find them all the time.
Anyway, well, you know, here wego.
We got Thanksgiving belly,we're going to detox this week.
We need two weeks of detox,right, so we can get ready for
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the holiday season and stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
You know the pumpkin.
I actually made a pumpkin pie.
I had a lesson on pie crustmaking.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Really.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yes, from our back fence neighbor who is an
incredible cook.
So she came over to the houseand taught me how to make pie
crust from scratch.
So that was my first pie crustfrom scratch.
Normally I would just buy itand roll it out.
And then I had a pumpkin pie,you know, from scratch.
And there was only one problemwith that pumpkin pie.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
It wasn't big enough.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
It didn't last, it wasn't it disintegrated?
I mean it was like it was gone.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
I mean it was like gone.
It's like I should have madetwo of them.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Yeah, you know, I didn't do any pumpkin pie at
Thanksgiving because they had abanana cream and then they had
chocolate pie and I love alittle bit of banana cream with
chocolate pie and take a littlebit on each bite.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
So it's banana chocolate, that is like my mm.
So there used to be arestaurant in Fort Worth called
Tippin's Okay and it was the pierestaurant and you could order
a sandwich or a salad, but yourreal thing was pie Chocolate.
I think chocolate banana wasone of our favorites.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Oh, it was so good.
I love that.
I used to do the pudding allthe time you know, buffets where
they got the chocolate andvanilla and just take a little
bit of each and the chocolateand banana and stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
French silk pie, probably one of my favorites.
Oh yeah, french silk, that's sogood.
I didn't make that, I madepumpkin.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
So we're going to have to figure out Are
triathlons coming up or anything?
No, you done for the year.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Well, here's the thing With this thing on my nose
with my Rudolph going on rightnow I cannot swim.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
I can't be in the water, oh that sucks?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, it does, and if you ever saw it, you would even
say it does glow right now.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Believe me, if you were in the studio, you'd say
wow, that's Dean.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Believe me, if you were in the studio you'd say wow
, that's Dean.
But I won't be able to untilafter the surgery.
And then I've got to wait forthe stitches to heal and all
that kind of stuff.
It could be two months or morebefore I'm back in the water.
So I'm cycling and running andI'm doing that, but I'm not able
to swim, so I want to do atriathlon sometime next year.
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I just don't know how long it'sgoing to take to recover from
this you know skin thing to beable to get back in the water.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
So, yeah, that's all that we can do is keep going
Right.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Take care of yourself .
Speaker 1 (36:12):
All right man, all right guys.
Well, leadershipshowcom, checkus out.
Stay tuned.
We're getting ready to rollthrough these December months
and December podcast, I guessand prepare for the upcoming
holiday.
It's only what, is it 22 daysaway?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
now?
Yeah, it is, it's crazy, it'scoming up quick and I'd say just
share.
If you like our podcast, justshare it with someone else?
Yeah, absolutely We'd love toget more listeners and boost our
numbers.
That else, we'd love to getmore listeners and boost our
numbers.
That would be really good.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
We're trying to get up to around four now.
Alright, we got a few more tofour, but it sounds good.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
It does sound good, hey guys, we appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Thank you, Dr Dean.
Take us away Alright, make it agreat day.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Thank you.
all right, all right, welcome, welcome, welcome.
Welcome to another excitingepisode of the Biblical
Leadership Show.
My name is Mr Tim Lansford, andwith me is the doctor.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Dr Dean Posey.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Dr Dean Posey.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
How are you doing?
I'm doing really good.
How was your turkey day?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I've gained some weight since the last week Diet
went to nothing.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
But yeah, other than that it's hard to be on a diet
during the holidays.
It is, let's just be honest, itis.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
But it's fun and I had time.
We went up to Chicago, did alittle road trip and visited a
wife's family.
Good and excited to be back,Rolled in late last night and
had my fill of everything.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
So I'm ready to be back in Texas.
Yeah, we had a great week, somy mother-in-law came over for
Thanksgiving.
We had non-traditional, but wehad spaghetti and pumpkin pie.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
You said you were going to do it.
We did Spaghetti and pumpkinpie.
It was really good.
We had meatballs and turkey andham.
We had all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
And then after that the next couple of days we
decorate the house for Christmas.
So we like to get that doneright by the Thanksgiving
weekend, just so we can enjoy itfor a month.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
You know, and kids are coming in, like the week of
Christmas, which will be we'llhave a great full house and
it'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah Well, my wife hasn't told me, but I guarantee
my honey do list this week isputting up Christmas stuff Cause
I rolled back in theneighborhood.
Like you know, it was after aminute around midnight last
night and you know all thelights were on everything's
decorated a lot of houses in theneighborhood.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
And she just says she's like, like oh, it would be
so nice if our house had lightson it.
It's coming.
It's coming within the nextcouple days.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Let's get up in the attic, get these down and you
need to get the busy.
So oh yeah, but that's that'ssort of where we're at.
You know, it's exciting I it'salways time to spend time with
uh family and friends.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
It is, you know, and uh, that's part of what holidays
are all about spending timewith family and friends.
Yes, it is, isn't it, you know,and it's a good thing.
That's part of what holidaysare all about spending time with
the people you love Kids.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
We get to drive through a lot of snow coming
back and winter weather and allthat stuff, so the kids got a
full dose of everything you know, family and hanging out and
playing in the snow.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Well, that is really really good, really good, really
good, really good, yeah, soyeah, so just, a side note.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Um, you can't see it because obviously we're on a
podcast.
Yes, he didn't know.
I had this teed up.
Yeah, so we have rudolph.
Yeah, so a little health update.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Um, I was.
I had a biopsy on my nose hereabout a month ago and came back
with a basal cell issue of skincancer, and so I'm going to have
some surgery done the firstpart of the year, but for the
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last 14 days I've had to putthis chemo cream on my nose
because they wanted to get ridof all the other potential
cancer issues pre-cancerousstuff and so I just finished
that on Saturday and thedermatologist did say it's going
(04:04):
to turn your nose red.
Well, it did.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
And it looks like a bad sunburn.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
So yes, and so here's Rudolph here in the studio
today.
I've got to wait for a month.
I've got to see the doctortomorrow, the surgeon that's
going to do the surgery.
I've got to see him tomorrow,but they said I have to wait for
a month for my nose, the skinon my nose, to heal before they
can do the surgery.
(04:33):
So that's going to be sometimein January.
Don't know the date yet.
I'll keep you all up to date.
And so that's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
But right now Do you ever know the rapper Humpty?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
No.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
See, we need to play Humpty Dance for you because he
covered up his nose.
He always had this big red noseand stuff.
So he's got this Humpty rapperback in the day 1990s.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I don't know if this is going to happen with our
family or not, but they havebeen threatening to everybody.
Get a big Rudolph nose, likeone of those big red clown noses
, and put it on, just so I'dfeel better.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Nice yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I don't know if I'll feel better.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I don't know if you'll feel better, but you're
embracing it.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, I'm embracing it.
Here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
We have a nose made for radio right, yes, I do.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, someone told me I have a great face for radio.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Right, exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
But here's the issue.
I think we can all learn fromthis.
If you have even a hint of ahealth issue.
Okay, because, about I guess itwas about two months ago, maybe
two and a half months ago Iwent to the dermatologist for my
just regular checkup and shesaid, hmm, what's that on your
nose?
And I said, well, it just lookslike a little bump.
And she said, well, I'm goingto biopsy it and let's just make
(05:54):
sure it's nothing.
Well, it was something.
And so I'm thinking any healthissue you know, whatever it may
be it could be like skin cancer,like I have, or any other issue
it's so important to beproactive with your health,
because if you put it off toolong, then it can have some
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issues that you don't want tohave, and so it's always good to
be proactive with your healthand um, so doing that, um, and
this is nothing compared to whatsome people go through yeah,
one of my, uh, one of my clients.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
She just had a full nose reconstruction.
Basically they had to take outpretty much a good chunk of that
.
So, yeah, so I just had toreconstruct everything.
So she just went through itlast month.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, but anyway, no matter what your health issue is
.
It could be skin cancer, itcould be something wrong with
your insides, it could bewhatever.
Just be proactive, go see yourdoctor and get it taken care of.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Before it becomes a real, real problem.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I think you've got one body.
You got to take care of it.
Yes, exactly right.
So what are we talking about onthis fine day?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
We're talking about the next book in the Bible.
So last week we talked aboutPsalms, today we're going to
talk about Proverbs, proverbs,and so let's just give a kind of
a little lesson on biblicalstructure.
So Proverbs is what's calledpart of the wisdom literature of
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the Bible.
So the wisdom literature isdifferent than the law, which
would be the first five books ofthe Torah.
It's different than propheticbooks, like you know, like
Ezekiel or Jeremiah Isaiah.
It's not a prophet, it's not ahistory book, it's not like
Joshua or Kings or Chronicles oranything like that, or Nehemiah
(07:57):
or Esther.
It's not the Psalms, it iswisdom.
And so you have Proverbs,ecclesiastic and Job as a part
of the wisdom literature of theBible.
And so the wisdom literature isthere to help us not just learn
more about life, but also learnmore about God.
(08:19):
And so if you look at theProverbs, especially right in
the middle of the book, there isjust hundreds of incredibly
wise teachings that so much ofit just applies to our life,
even though these were writtenthousands of years ago.
Still very, very good, andthere's 31 chapters of the book
(08:40):
of Proverbs.
And so if you're not readingthe Bible on a daily basis, or
even if you are one of the bookof Proverbs, and so if you're
not reading the Bible on a dailybasis, or even if you are, one
of the things that many peopledo is they read one proverb like
chapter one on day one of themonth, chapter two on day two of
the month, chapter three on daythree, and so every month
(09:01):
they're reading through theentire book of Proverbs, and
that's just a good habit andthere's so much wisdom in that
that the more you read, it'slike just digging deeper into
the wisdom of God, and so Iwould just encourage our
listeners to do that if you wantto learn.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
So this is the third, so you only have a couple that
you'd have to catch up on, oryou could take this and make
this a New Year's resolution.
Yes, exactly right Startstraight up if you don't want to
reread the first couple and allthat.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, just start and just say, hey, I'm going to read
one proverb, like for me, Iread one chapter of the Old
Testament, one chapter of theNew Testament every day, and so
if you want to do that, or ifyou want to just add to that,
which would be very easy to do,it'll take five minutes.
And you don't read to, justread it, just to check it off
(09:54):
the list.
You want to read it to absorbthe wisdom.
And the Bible is not just aboutgaining information, it's about
transformation.
About gaining information, it'sabout transformation, and so
the goal, one of the goals, Ithink, of the Scripture is to
help us be transformed more likeJesus.
And so by doing that, byreading the Proverbs, we can
(10:18):
begin to think okay, what wouldit be like for me to have a more
godly life?
And Proverbs is a great way tobegin to learn how to do that.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
All right, I got a question.
Sure, highlight in writing inyour Bible versus not.
I hear both sides.
Right, some people I mean it'smarked up, I mean you can't find
a dry spot on there to evenwrite a hello on there.
And then other people are like,no, this is.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Well, you know, my personal preference right now is
I underline in my Bible, Iwrite notes to my Bible.
Right, I used to not do that,but then the more I read,
sometimes there would be like,wow, that like I might be going
through something or something'son my mind and I read a passage
(11:10):
of Scripture that really speaksto that.
I will actually underline thatpassage.
I might even put the date by itand then write down why that's
so important, so that when Iread that passage again another
time could be a year later orwhatever then it's like oh yeah,
I remember that.
(11:31):
So for me, writing or not justunderlining, writing notes in my
Bible to me is a reminder ofGod's faithfulness, of insights
I have about the scriptures thathave helped me become a
stronger person in faith.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Right, I'm just curious.
We go back and forth because Ihear a lot of different things
and I don't know what you hearon that side or not.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I just see it with sitting in the stairs and some
people say, no, it's too sacredof a book, I don't want to write
it.
Well, that's their prerogative.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
And.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I used to feel that way and then I realized, no,
there's so much I'm learningthat if I write it down in my
Bible then I can remember thatinstead of having to look at
another book.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
So yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
All right, so Proverbs, proverbs.
Let's just skip toward the backof the book, chapter 29.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Chapter 29.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Proverbs 29, 18.
This might be one of the mostquoted sentences in the entire
book of Proverbs.
Okay, so in the King JamesVersion it says this where there
is no vision, the people perish.
Now, a preacher joke is aboutthis verse when there is no
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vision, the people turn into aparish.
Okay, all right, but what agreat leadership principle.
There's so many greatleadership principles in the
book of Proverbs.
We're going to focus on this oneright now because it's so
powerful.
We've talked about it quite abit in our podcast over the last
year, and that is theimportance of the leader setting
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the vision.
What is going to happen withyour organization?
Let's just say, what is goingto happen with your family?
What's going to happen withyour business?
Maybe you're a part of aneighborhood organization, you
know an HMO or something likethat, a softball team.
What is the vision?
What is your outcome objectivefor that particular organization
(13:37):
?
Whether it's just yourself andyou're a mom-and-pop bakery, or
you're in charge of 1,000employees, what is the vision
for that?
And to me, that is such apowerful lesson that if you
don't have a vision, if youdon't say, hey, this is where
we're going over the next year,or two years or three years.
(14:00):
This is where I feel we areheaded.
If you don't have that, it's soeasy to just kind of have
stagnation in your organization.
People don't really know whatthe purpose is, it's hard to get
people motivated and those kindof things.
So, tim, why don't you justjump in that?
(14:22):
As far as you know, you've beena home builder for a long long
time.
Right, if you didn't have avision of what a house is going
to look like when it's done,just like okay, carpenters, you
do whatever you want, plumbers,you do whatever you want, how
would that be?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
That's just a great vision in general, right.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Just do whatever you like.
Do whatever you feel like.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Whatever, you put the doors where you want, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Put the windows where you want.
Put the windows where you want.
Yeah, oh, you mean no windows,that would actually be a fun
project.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Have some people just come together, maybe we can
have some fun on them.
I mean, I can do something withthat, you know.
But yeah, I mean, here's thething you have to have that
compelling vision inspires, youknow it, unites teams.
Make sure you're on the samepage and and you get the shared
goals, your shared vision, yourshared timeline.
You know, and that's that'swhat you're trying to accomplish
.
And and and I think that'swhere they're going is you have
(15:14):
to have this because if you, ifyou're, everything's in the line
.
I tell people, you know, if, ifyou're your personal mission
statement and your departmentmission statement, or your
company mission statement, andthen the overall company mission
statement, they're all in line,then everything's happy, right,
you're working towards thegreater good.
But if you don't know what oneside is doing compared to the
(15:38):
other side, then it's nevergoing to work out good for you.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, so let's just take home building for just a
minute.
So someone calls you.
Let's say, someone calls youthis afternoon and says hey, Tim
, I want to hire you to build usa home.
You're not just going to go offand design.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
The phone lines are open now.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
You're not just going to go off and build something
and they have no input in it.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
No.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
You're going to sit down with the family.
You're going to sit down withthe architect.
You're going to sit down withthe family.
You're going to sit down withthe architect.
You're going to brainstorm andsay, okay, this is kind of what
we're thinking, and then thearchitect will sit there and
draw it out.
Then you'll think, no, that'snot exactly how I want it.
So it'd be a while a process.
But to me, what a great lessonfor any organization and that is
(16:23):
get input.
If you're new to the leadership, you want input from your staff
.
You want input from yourcoworkers, your employees.
It's like, okay, you've beenhere like 20 years, I'm the new
guy, I'm the new boss.
Where do you see us going?
Where do you see us moving inthe future?
Now, it might be up to you toactually make that decision
(16:48):
right, but it's not a bad thingto get input from the people so
that you can have a knowledge ofwhere you want the organization
or where you feel theorganization should go.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah, I mean that just gives you that little, that
little dot on the wall that youcan throw the dart at, you know
.
So we're all working towardsthat.
And and if, if we can provideclarity, if, if a homeowner can
provide clarity to me, I canprovide clarity down to my
people and make sure we'reaccomplishing that, if, if we've
had jobs that we had no clarity, I mean it's pretty much, tim,
(17:26):
just do what you want.
I'm like, well, I don't livethere.
I mean, no, it's fine, we trustyou.
I'm like it's not really ahappy happy.
You know, just pick the paintcolors.
Again, I don't live there, butI'd paint, pick them and they're
like yep, that's what we'll gowith, and your door here and
we're going to do this, and thisis kind of tough.
Yep, okay, and it was a veryinteresting project.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I had one of those.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I literally just picked out things for their
house and just they were happywith it, everything.
But yeah, but if you're able toget that information to you and
you can take that informationand disperse it to all the
people under you and that givesa common goal, and then we're
all on the same page and Iguarantee you're going to have a
(18:09):
much smoother project and orrelationship, with everybody
working towards the same goal.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Right, and it's important to know and to
remember that the larger theorganization, the longer it
takes for that vision to go downto everybody, you know, to
upper management, you knowmid-management, you know
whatever.
And so it's important that youreally think about the vision
and now that we're coming up onthe new year, you know 2025 is
(18:40):
going to be just around thecorner.
Think okay, what is your visionfor 2025, 26, 27?
You don't want to change itevery year because by the time
you change it, not everybody hasincorporated that into their
mindset, and so it's importantto stay with that for a while.
(19:00):
So everybody's on board, andthe more people that are on
board, then the better theorganization is going to be, and
you want to make sure thateverybody not just buys into it,
but understands their role inaccomplishing that vision.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
And that's so of those things that a vision needs
to be constantly reemphasized.
I guess what I'm saying is, inevery seminar I do, out of 50,
100 people in a room, theremight be one or two that know
their vision statement, theirmission statement of their
(19:44):
company.
I've said it here many timesand it's a very sad reality Most
people don't know, so make iteasy, make it short, make it,
even if it's values.
Just have something where youcan put it in people's head,
because a lot of people theydon't know, they don't have a
clue where the company's headed,they're just showing up to work
(20:05):
, doing it in their own littleworld, doing their own little
section of it, and companiescould be much more successful if
they would just listen to thatlittle tidbit of advice.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Correct.
And so it's like not only doyou want everybody to know the
vision, but how does my work ona daily basis make that vision a
reality?
Right, and that takes time, youknow.
You might have to sit down witheach person, if you're a small
organization, and just say, okay, let's talk about this.
How can we tweak what you do?
Or maybe what you're doing isperfect, but if it's not, we can
(20:39):
tweak it just a little bit.
So you stop doing this thing andstart doing this thing, which
is more in lines with the visionof the organization.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Right, I like it.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Well, that's a great leadership principle from the
Book of Proverbs.
There's another one.
I think that the theme, one ofthe main themes, of this book is
the issue of integrity.
Integrity not just before God,but before other people.
And so I was reading and I wastelling Tim this before during
our show prep that I read asurvey by the Robert Half
(21:15):
Management Resources, and intheir survey they said that 75%
of employees that theyinterviewed said that, hands
down, integrity was the mostimportant attribute in a leader,
um, more than fairness,decisiveness or strategic
mindset, um and um.
(21:35):
And so that was to me amazingstatistic that the, the
integrity of the leader, is whatthe people under that leader
are looking for most.
Yes, they need a vision, yes,they need clarity, yes, they
need a decisive person, notnecessarily autocratic, but
(21:58):
decisive, but they really wantsomeone with integrity.
And so the Bible, especially inthe book of Proverbs, really
focuses on that.
And so here, just one, proverbs10, 9, says the one who lives
with integrity lives securely.
But whoever perverts his wayswill be found out.
(22:22):
And so it's just talking aboutthe importance of being real,
the importance of havingintegrity on a day-to-day basis
and realizing that it's what youdo, what you say, what you
don't do, what you don't say.
People are watching the leader,they're always watching the
(22:42):
leader, and one mistake can setyou back for a long time in the
eyes of the people, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Another one on integrity I have down is
Proverbs 11.3.
It talks about the integrity ofthe upright, guides them right,
but the unfaithful aredestroyed by their duplicity.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yes, that too yeah, that too yeah.
Proverbs 11.3.
Yeah, the integrity.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
You know it's the cornerstone of effective
leadership.
You know when you want to lookat it that way.
So I think integrity is justone of those things that, as you
said, that you know people theywant to have.
I've left companies beforebecause I didn't feel that the
owner had integrity.
You know it was a great jobthat the owner had integrity.
You know it was a great job.
I was making great money backin corporate, but it just did
(23:27):
not have integrity, the valuesand we've talked about it and it
wasn't worth it.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yes, here's another from Proverbs 28.6.
It says this Better the poorperson who lives with integrity
than the rich one who distortsright and wrong.
Wow, that is powerful, that isreally, really powerful.
So let's just talk aboutintegrity of our words, you know
(23:54):
.
Integrity of our actions,integrity.
Here's another one Integrity ofour tone of voice.
Just the tone of voice that weuse with our employees it could
be at a staff meeting Just thetone of voice is so important
that we just make to be surethat we are communicating with
(24:19):
integrity.
We're not slamming people,we're not putting them down.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Tone of voice always leads me into body language,
because I teach body languageand you know it's the whole
package right?
The tone of voice, how you'representing it with your body
language.
Are you putting mixed signalsout in the world when you're
talking to your people?
You know all those things willput that little doubt seed in
somebody's head and you want tobe able to avoid that.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yes, somebody's head and you want to be able to avoid
that?
Yes, and so one of the thingsthat I think is important as far
as this issue of integrity isokay.
Say, for example, you have oneof your people could be coworker
, could be employee, whatever,but you're in charge of them and
they're not doing their job.
Well, they're just not and youknow that, or you find out about
(25:09):
it.
Here's the thing that justdrives me crazy is when people
correct another person in publicinstead of calling them to the
office and talking about it inprivate.
When you do that to someone inpublic, what does that
communicate to the other peoplethat are listening?
(25:29):
It's like wow, that couldhappen to me someday.
And sometimes the person whoyou're criticizing doesn't even
know that they're doingsomething wrong, and then all of
a sudden, you call them out infront of other people.
That, to me, has no integrityat all.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, no, it's, you know they always.
You know I say that and andhere's the one of the reasons
you know that's very, veryimportant to that.
It doesn't matter if thisperson is the person that needed
to be disciplined, it's theperson needs to be fired.
There there's a somethinghappens on our human brain that
you'll defend the weak ifthey're getting yelled at and
(26:07):
all that.
So some of your number two,three and four best employees
and this is number 12, but he'sgetting yelled at the mentality
of two, three and four a lot oftimes will change, and sometimes
you can change it throughgroupthink, where they'll start
defending and they'll startthinking, oh, they have not.
And it changes the wholedepartment.
(26:28):
I've had a lot of things I'vedone on executive coaching and
stuff that they did.
This exact thing is they yelledat somebody in front of
everybody and that changed thewhole department.
So we had to work hard to comeup with a plan for this lady to
be able to get her departmentback, because she'd lost control
of her department.
They had no faith in her andthey didn't really want to work
(26:50):
for her anymore.
So it was very interesting theway that works in our human
brain.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, and we have to be very careful because let's
just say, we just got the reportof the last quarter profits or
the supply chain is something,and we just got a report five
minutes before we walk into astaff meeting and we're upset,
we need to be very, verycautious that we don't let that
emotion filter into our staffmeeting and then blow up at
(27:16):
somebody, because it could takeus a long time to regroup, like
you said, and to make that right.
It just does, yeah, andintegrity I mean we to make that
right.
It just does.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah, and integrity, I mean we can take that from
even a different standpoint.
Just integrity in the church ingeneral.
You know I've known churchesand I'm sure you've had stories
where just church, the overallbig picture of integrity or not,
versus integrity of thechurches of the world, you know,
could get a bad rap on that,you know.
So you can even take it biggerthan just one person's integrity
(27:47):
.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yes, exactly right.
So this like the integrity ofyour not just your person but,
integrity of your business.
Are you known as someone whorips people off?
Do you say one thing and thencharge them something else?
You know, to me that's so.
That's a whole thing.
And really to me it starts fromthe top down, and so whoever
(28:08):
the leader is sets the tone forthe integrity of the
organization, and if there's ahistory of abuse or whatever, it
could take a while to get allrid of that, but it really does
start from the top down.
That's one reason why it's soimportant for the leader to have
integrity.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Wow, I know, look at that Look at that.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
We haven't even had one dad joke.
This entire time I've got ajoke.
My boy pulled out on me.
Okay, you mean like over thislast weekend.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah, a couple of days ago.
Okay, I'm ready.
He comes up.
He goes, dad, dad, I go.
Yeah, he was all serious.
He goes.
Do you want to hear aconstruction joke?
And I'm like well, yes, I wantto hear a construction joke.
He goes okay, oh, wait a second, I'm still working on it.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Oh, that's good.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
That was pretty good.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
He set it up and everything.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I was like, wow, look at you.
I said you can do better on.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
That's really good.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
So yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
So, anyway, I was still working on it.
Way to go, luke.
That's awesome, my goodness.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I don't know where he picked it up, but that was a
good one.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
That was a good one.
I don't know, Maybe he got itfrom the emergency dad joke box.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
He might have got it from the emergency dad joke box.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Okay, I think we've already said this one, but I'm
just pulling from the dad jokebox right now.
What do you call a potato thatwears glasses?
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Potato that wears glasses.
Potato that wears glasses?
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I do not know a spectator, I've heard that, I
know you've heard it, I thinkwe've said it about four times.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I was like wait a second.
I've heard that one before.
I was just there.
I'm seeing if I had any goodones other than that.
That that was my joke of theweek really.
You know, that was the that wasthan that.
That was my joke of the weekreally.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
That was it.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I mean, that was my joke of the week.
I just thought that was such agreat joke.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I was all excited about telling you that one.
I've got some good jokes aboutumbrellas, but they usually go
over people's heads.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Of course they do.
Of course they do.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Oh yes.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I was sitting there, I had a you have another one.
No, no, no, no.
I was looking for somethingelse.
I was looking, uh, I thought Ihad a uh, uh, a funny one to tie
into Proverbs that I'd wrotedown.
I was checking it was that one,but I don't know something
(30:44):
about.
I thought it was somethingabout Proverbs, about fools and
something that ties into jokes,so anyway we'll just let that
one go.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Alright, what else you?
Speaker 1 (30:54):
got on that emergency dad joke.
Probably one or two more.
Let's just one more.
Here we go.
Oh yeah, all right, what elseyou got?
Speaker 2 (30:57):
on that emergency dad joke.
Probably one or two more.
Let's just one more.
Here we go.
Oh yeah, Did you hear about theman that lost his job at the
canned juice factory?
He just couldn't concentrate.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Oh my gosh, Wait, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Oh no, that's not even the right button.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I hit two of them at the same time.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Oh, did you hear?
Last night I had the strangestdream.
I had the strangest dream.
I dreamed about being a muffler, A muffler.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah, and I just woke up exhausted.
All right.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I give you that one I sort of like that one.
You like that one Every once ina while.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
You know I got to pull something out there.
That's great.
So all right, I don't know.
One more.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
You know, do you remember growing up?
So when we were growing up, Igrew up in Albuquerque, new
Mexico, and a certain time ofyear our yard was full of clover
and we would pick the cloverand tie it into knots, one after
another, and make a cloverchain across the street,
literally.
I mean, this thing was like 20feet long and one kid would
(32:14):
stand on one side of the streetand the other kid and we didn't
have that many cars, um, comingdown our street.
But when we saw a car, we wouldlay this, this, the clover
chain, across the street andhold it up and the cars would
just stop and we we'd say, no,go on, go on, go on.
And they would finally gothrough the clover chain and
break it and we would cheer andall that kind of stuff.
(32:36):
Well, that led me to this onelast joke.
Okay, you know why you shouldnever iron a four-leaf clover?
You know a four-leaf clover issupposed to be good luck.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
It is Okay.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
So you know why you should never iron a four-leaf
clover.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
I do not.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Because it's better if you don't press your luck.
Yeah, that's appropriate, rightthere.
That's great I.
I I was the four leaf, uh,clover guy I I could find.
I found so many of those oh, mygoodness, I always put them in
the books and you know, pressthem, yeah, and all that stuff
(33:11):
and just I keep opening booksall the time.
I'm like oh look for at leastwe could hardly ever find.
Oh my gosh, but we looked.
Yeah, we a lot, but we nevercould find one.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I love that stuff.
My brain just went boom.
I still, even when I walk alittle clover past, it's got
like the analytics going in mybrain.
Trying to find a poorly-floatedyeah just looking down, I still
find them all the time.
Anyway, well, you know, here wego.
We got Thanksgiving belly,we're going to detox this week.
We need two weeks of detox,right, so we can get ready for
(33:48):
the holiday season and stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
You know the pumpkin.
I actually made a pumpkin pie.
I had a lesson on pie crustmaking.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Really.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yes, from our back fence neighbor who is an
incredible cook.
So she came over to the houseand taught me how to make pie
crust from scratch.
So that was my first pie crustfrom scratch.
Normally I would just buy itand roll it out.
And then I had a pumpkin pie,you know, from scratch.
And there was only one problemwith that pumpkin pie.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
It wasn't big enough.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
It didn't last, it wasn't it disintegrated?
I mean it was like it was gone.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
I mean it was like gone.
It's like I should have madetwo of them.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Yeah, you know, I didn't do any pumpkin pie at
Thanksgiving because they had abanana cream and then they had
chocolate pie and I love alittle bit of banana cream with
chocolate pie and take a littlebit on each bite.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
So it's banana chocolate, that is like my mm.
So there used to be arestaurant in Fort Worth called
Tippin's Okay and it was the pierestaurant and you could order
a sandwich or a salad, but yourreal thing was pie Chocolate.
I think chocolate banana wasone of our favorites.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Oh, it was so good.
I love that.
I used to do the pudding allthe time you know, buffets where
they got the chocolate andvanilla and just take a little
bit of each and the chocolateand banana and stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
French silk pie, probably one of my favorites.
Oh yeah, french silk, that's sogood.
I didn't make that, I madepumpkin.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
So we're going to have to figure out Are
triathlons coming up or anything?
No, you done for the year.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Well, here's the thing With this thing on my nose
with my Rudolph going on rightnow I cannot swim.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
I can't be in the water, oh that sucks?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, it does, and if you ever saw it, you would even
say it does glow right now.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Believe me, if you were in the studio, you'd say
wow, that's Dean.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Believe me, if you were in the studio you'd say wow
, that's Dean.
But I won't be able to untilafter the surgery.
And then I've got to wait forthe stitches to heal and all
that kind of stuff.
It could be two months or morebefore I'm back in the water.
So I'm cycling and running andI'm doing that, but I'm not able
to swim, so I want to do atriathlon sometime next year.
(36:00):
I just don't know how long it'sgoing to take to recover from
this you know skin thing to beable to get back in the water.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
So, yeah, that's all that we can do is keep going
Right.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Take care of yourself .
Speaker 1 (36:12):
All right man, all right guys.
Well, leadershipshowcom, checkus out.
Stay tuned.
We're getting ready to rollthrough these December months
and December podcast, I guessand prepare for the upcoming
holiday.
It's only what, is it 22 daysaway?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
now?
Yeah, it is, it's crazy, it'scoming up quick and I'd say just
share.
If you like our podcast, justshare it with someone else?
Yeah, absolutely We'd love toget more listeners and boost our
numbers.
That else, we'd love to getmore listeners and boost our
numbers.
That would be really good.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
We're trying to get up to around four now.
Alright, we got a few more tofour, but it sounds good.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
It does sound good, hey guys, we appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Thank you, Dr Dean.
Take us away Alright, make it agreat day.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Thank you.
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