July 8, 2025 • 35 mins
Ever wonder what ancient wisdom can teach us about leading in today's fast-paced world? The Gospel of Mark offers a masterclass in leadership that transcends time and culture, revealing strategies as relevant in boardrooms as they were on dusty roads 2,000 years ago.
Mark's Gospel stands out for its emphasis on action and immediacy. The word "immediately" appears over 40 times in just 16 chapters, highlighting Jesus as a leader who didn't merely talk but moved with decisive purpose. In a world where many can articulate grand visions but struggle with implementation, this action-oriented leadership provides a powerful contrast to corporate cultures mired in endless planning cycles and analysis paralysis.
When anxiety strikes within organizations—whether from market uncertainties, supply chain disruptions, or personnel challenges—it can spread like wildfire. Mark, Chapter 4 shows Jesus calming a literal storm, but the metaphorical application for leaders is clear: effective leadership creates calm amid organizational chaos. This doesn't mean being artificially positive but rather addressing concerns proactively through appropriate communication channels before they destabilize the entire team.
Perhaps the most revolutionary concept appears in Mark 10:45: "The Son of man came not to be served, but to serve and to give his life as ransom for many." This flips traditional power dynamics on their head. While earthly kings take, the heavenly king gives. When leaders adopt this servant mindset, prioritizing their teams' growth and well-being over personal gain, they create environments where people and organizations flourish.
Are your team members "all in" with your organization's mission, or simply going through the motions? Do you maintain momentum through immediate action, or get stuck in perfectionism? Has your open-door policy created genuine approachability? The leadership lessons from Mark challenge us to examine these questions and transform good leadership into something truly extraordinary.
Reach out to us at biblicalleadershipshow.com with your questions, prayer requests, or topic suggestions. We'd love to hear how these principles are transforming your leadership journey!
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
uh-huh now yeah, uh-huh, yeah, yeah, yeah, come
on, come on, all righty, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome,
welcome, welcome welcome welcometim.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:34):
today official.
We got to do it every time, soI'm doing great.
Dr posey, how are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I am doing good.
Hey, we had a j 4th weekend.
It was just fantastic.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Spent a little time down at the lake, did a little
relaxation, we watched thefireworks.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, the community we lived in we liked the
fireworks.
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
So we have another special guest in here.
Two weeks in a row.
It's summer and she likes tocome hang out with us and hang
out with dad in the office.
But who's with us today?
What's your name?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Elisa Elisa.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Did you have a good time at the lake and fireworks
and everything?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
The food was so good.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
It was good, it was good, good, good.
But yeah, we're here back inthe studio doing our thing and
you know, do you have a good?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
force.
Yeah, we have a good force.
So let me just tell you, andwe're gonna go right into
leadership, leadership,leadership.
Yeah, imagine that.
But before that, before that,why did the river have trouble
remembering things?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
because they just flowed through his brain.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Oh, that's a good answer.
That was pretty good.
I'll have another answer,because he was becoming senile.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
It was kind of like your eyeglass joke last week.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
That was bad yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Is that what we should give him?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
So the community that Diane and I have lived in for
25 years Little Azle justoutside of Fort Worth we really
like the people there.
The community is awesome.
They have an event on July 4th.
They've had it, for this wasthe 32nd year.
It's called Follow the Flag.
It was started by an incredibleguy by the name of Lou Schaefer
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, who was a colonel in the AirForce.
He was an avid Christian, verypassionate about the Lord, and
he wanted to do something tohonor the country and Christ for
the 4th of July.
So we started this like in hisown property, and it's just
grown to now there's like 15,000people to show up, wow.
So there's Christian bands Wow,that's cool.
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All the churches get together,give out free food we were
giving out iced tea and then atabout 9-15, they have fireworks,
and one of the things that Iused to do many years ago was I
helped light all the fireworks.
So that was so I told peoplethat was like my most fun 15
minutes of the year.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, I can imagine.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
We were lighting all these fireworks.
Now there's Pro seat right,yeah it was all electronic now,
but back then you actually hadto have like a butane lighter
light the fuse get away the way.
It was so much fun.
But we still enjoy thefireworks and just having that
community spirit and the peopleare all there and families, and
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just it's just really good.
And so let me just, let's justgo into leadership for just a
minute, because the only waythat could happen is if the
businesses of the communityactually support that
financially.
They support it with product,they support it with their
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advertising.
And so my question is for you,whatever organization that you
lead, whatever it is, howinvolved are you in the
community?
Do you donate your time to say,like Habitat for Humanity, do
you give your people a day offif they go work at the local
food bank?
Do you donate time, resources,whatever?
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I think that really createssynergy with your people.
It gives something that's anintangible, that really binds
people together, that theyrealize that we're not just
about ourselves, we're not justabout profit, we're really about
helping other people.
That is a really good leadershipprinciple.
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I mean, that's all Jesus wasabout.
He was about other people andblessing other people.
And so the question would befor us whatever company you're
at it could be a dry cleaningbusiness, could be a plumbing
business, electricity, butwhatever it is how much of your
time or energy is spent justblessing other people, and it
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could just be a time thing.
I mean, this was just going andvolunteering.
The church provided the icedtea, so it wasn't that expensive
.
But it was the principle ofactually saying, hey, we're here
not just to enjoy it ourselves,we're here so that other people
can enjoy it as well.
And it was just a great event.
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It just gets better every year.
Yeah, it was just really reallyan awesome, awesome evening.
So, yeah, really good.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Fun time.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Really good Fun times .
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Do you have something you want to say?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, I have a question about the fireworks.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Did it get crowded really fast or did it stay like
just a little?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
bit of people.
Oh, people will stay until thevery end.
So they normally have all thesefireworks for about 10 to 12
minutes, okay.
And then they have the finale,and the finale lasts for like
five minutes and it's just oneafter another just going, going,
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going and the sky is, and theyhave it out in this big park
right by the library and so youcan see, and it's just, and it's
dark, and they don't startuntil like 9.15, 9.20.
And then there's a band playingand stuff like that, you know
the patriotic music, and it'sjust a really great experience.
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And then we park way awaybecause there's so many people.
It's just a madhouse to get now, but it's just a great evening
and we just enjoy it every year.
So, yeah, been doing it a longtime.
We love it, we love it.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Fireworks is pretty good too.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It's really good too, the finale was great.
Oh yes.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, that's always good, pretty, amazing.
So I Pretty amazing.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
So I love it when you get out there and it's just,
it's a good time of year, youknow, to be able to see it, and
the two hour drive was worth it.
Yes, exactly right, it was Allright.
So let's talk about this.
We finally, finally, finally,finished up the book of Matthew.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Matthew, and we're starting in the book of Mark.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
We are yes, starting in the book of Mark.
We are yes, the book of Mark.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
And I do believe we're still on the topic of
Jesus' resurrection.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah Well, we'll get to that later in the podcast
today, but let's just talk aboutMark.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Well, let's start.
Give us an overview, dr P, onjust what, mark and what we
expect on this, and then we'llget into breaking everything
down.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Okay.
So let's just start byanswering a question of who was
Mark?
Okay, by answering a questionof who was Mark?
Okay?
So if you look at the disciples, the 12 disciples of Jesus,
he's not in the list.
So you're thinking, well, howcome he's not in the list?
He wrote a book.
Yes, he did.
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Many scholars believe that hewas John Mark, who's mentioned
in the book of Acts, and JohnMark really was very close to
both Paul and Peter, peterespecially, and most scholars
believe not all, but mostbelieve that John Mark was like
a scribe and wrote down Peter'steachings and sermons of things
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that Jesus actually said, andthen he got all of these
together and then he put them inbook order for other people to
read and then, with that beingthe first recorded gospel, then
many scholars believe that Lukeand Matthew had Mark's resource
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and then they wrote their ownversion using some of Mark's
things.
So that's why we talked about acouple of weeks ago the first
three books of the New TestamentMatthew, mark and Luke are
called the Synoptic Gospelsbecause there's so many
similarities in the stories, theorder, all those kind of things
.
Most scholars believe that Markwas first, that he did this.
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You know, years before thatMatthew or Luke was written, and
so let's just talk about that.
For leadership principles Manytimes great leaders to go from
good to great, as you know,that's common said.
Sometimes we have to step outof the box and be willing to do
something no one else has done,whether that's introduce a new
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product, whether that's doingsomething differently.
Just think about a musician.
Okay, okay, there isn't any newmusic notes that have been
invented.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
And for many, many years.
There's not any new vocabularythat has been invented, but a
really good musician can takewhat's already there the notes
and language and just createsomething that's just absolutely
unique and it stands the testof time.
And so that would be like okay,if you're a leader and you are
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competing in a very competitiveworld, now what are you going to
do to maybe change your productline, change the way you market
, do something that no one elseis doing in order to set
yourself apart from the rest ofthe crowd?
And so we see that in here inMark, he did something.
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That other—before then it wasall oral tradition.
There were maybe things writtendown about Jesus, but no one
had compiled them into like onecohesive story.
So because he did that, hereally changed history, and we
have still copies of that today.
It's the second book in the NewTestament, the book of Mark,
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and we're thankful because hewas willing to do that.
So, yeah, great lesson.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Are there other?
You know you mentioned thatmaybe Mark was a scribe or
anything.
Is there any other chaptersthat really fall under that
category?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Well, if you actually look and I have a book at home
that's called the SynopticGospels and it's just Matthew,
mark and Luke, and then it'slike in columns and so you can
see this story and certainBibles have that.
If you look up, say, thecalming of the storm in Mark,
chapter 4, it'll tell you whereelse in the Bible, like in the
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book of Matthew, the book ofMark or Luke where else can you
find that?
If you look like the feeding ofthe 5,000, that's found in all
four of the books.
Okay, matthew, mark, luke andJohn it's one of the few stories
that's found in all four books.
But the Synoptic Gospelbreakdown will tell you exactly
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where to find it.
And there might be some wordsthat are a little different, but
the basic story, like 95% isexactly the same.
Like 95% is exactly the same.
And because most scholarsbelieve that Mark was written
first, it's like, oh, luke'swriting it and he goes why do I
have to reinvent this?
I can just take it and you knowit's like doing a research
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paper.
You do some research but thenyou put it in your own words and
that's what Matthew and Lukedid.
I see.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, so that's— yeah , and I was just doing some
stuff here as you were speaking,and the synoptic comes from the
Greek syn equals together andoptus is view, so it's a
together view.
They prevent a similarperspective of the life and
teachings of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, exactly right, so I understand that.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Go ahead, babe.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Okay.
So basically I think Dr Posey'sright about the scribe thing.
I think he actually is not adisciple, but he's friends with
them or something.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
He was a disciple, but he wasn't one of the 12
apostles.
Oh yeah, he was a follower ofJesus.
A follower of Jesus is adisciple.
So you're a disciple, I'm adisciple, your dad's a disciple,
your.
You're a disciple, I'm adisciple, your dad's a disciple,
your mom's a disciple, okay.
Disciple is mean a learner or afollower, okay, but Jesus, out
of his disciples, he chose 12 tobe his apostles.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Okay, so Mark wasn't one of them, but he got his own
chapter in the book.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Well, he wasn't one of the original 12, but he
followed—he was very goodfriends with Peter, who was—you
know Peter and Andrew he was oneof them and so he was very
close to Peter and he listenedto Peter speak and teach and
preach, and so he would writedown what Peter wrote and then
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he put all that into a book.
That makes a lot more sense.
That makes a lot more sense.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Because I know Peter and the Twelve turned into
saints at the end.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Right Turned into saints and some denominations
view those as saints.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
We'd say St Peter, st Mark, you know, st Paul
Actually recently, about a weekago, I went to a new church
called St Peter and St Paul's.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
And it's in Arlington and basically, apparently it
was St Peter and St Paul's Fest,so it was Feast actually.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Sorry.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
It was like brand new and it was really fun.
And see, it was our first time,but it ended up we had like it
was a high mass that day.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
So it's Catholic and it's like Erengoshian.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Anglican Anglican.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I don't know how to say it better.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
So that has a long history.
We won't talk about it rightnow.
But the Anglican Church a long,rich tradition that is really
around the world is really aforerunner to the Methodist
tradition that I'm a part of,and so the founder of the
Methodist church was an Anglicanpriest in England.
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So is his brother, charles, andso John and Charles Wesley were
both Anglican priests inEngland and they wanted to bring
revival to the church.
Anglican priests in England andthey wanted to bring revival to
the church, and that started anew form of faith and a new
denomination called Methodism.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
That's nice Anyway.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
That's awesome, yeah, so let's get back to Mark.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, let's talk about Mark.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, and so let's just think about.
We see something very similarin all the Gospels Matthew, mark
, luke and John about Jesusbeing a servant leader.
But let's point out I want topoint out in our time today, two
particular things.
One is in Mark 4, verse 35.
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Really, in chapter 4, we seethere was a storm.
The disciples were on a boat.
Jesus calmed a storm.
The disciples were on a boat,jesus calmed the storm.
And so let's talk about that.
As far as leadership principlesare concerned, I think a good
leader calms the storms ofpeople's anxiety.
He's not trying to be he or she, is not trying to be
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Pollyannish, not trying to befake, but when one person gets
anxious about the market orsupply chain or someone doesn't
show up to work, a good leaderis proactive.
We talked about that last week.
A good leader is proactive tocalm the storm in the midst of
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the anxiety, because you know asgood as I do that when you have
anxiety in one person, itspreads like wildfire through
the whole organization and itcan be really quick.
So does that mean you need tohave, like a call staff meeting?
Does that mean that you sendout emails?
Does you need to have somephone calls.
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Do you need to have some shortmeetings?
What does it mean?
How do you calm the storm whensomething you know hits in your
organization?
I don't know what works for you.
I've done all of those, you know.
I've had emergency meetings,we've had stand-up meetings, we
have sit-down meetings, we haveluncheon meetings.
We'd send out emails you knowwhatever just so that we stay
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ahead of the gossip and people'sanxiety.
Also, having an open doorpolicy, I've worked with people
where they'd come into theoffice and they'd shut the door.
They didn't want to talk toanybody.
It's like no, no, when you havesomething going on that's not
good or that's good.
You want to be accessible toyour people.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
And open door policy.
I even take it one step fartherand I just taught in one of my
leadership classes this weekjust make sure you have an open
door policy.
Just because your door is open,are you approachable?
Do people trust you enough tocome talk to you?
Because a lot of people pitchthat they have an open door
policy but then none of theiremployees.
They're scared to talk to them.
They'll walk right by and talkto a coworker and all that.
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And that's one of the things.
Just watch your open doorpolicy.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah, and I learned long ago from a really great
pastor up in Oklahoma that hewould schedule a specific time
like from 1115 to noon to returnphone calls.
Before then he would meet withthe staff, he would have staff
meetings, but he would have thatspecific time in the morning
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and afternoon so he wasn't onthe phone all day and that
allowed his like he had.
He had an open door policy.
People could come in.
He was very approachable.
That taught me a lot.
To say who's the prior.
Yes, phone calls are importantOther customers or business or
church members or whatever.
But I've also got to beavailable to the people that are
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there in the office and if theyneed to walk in and say
something, or we need to talkabout something because it just
happened, you know, whatever itmay be, I need to be available
to that.
So great point there, tim.
Great point Are you actuallyavailable to your people?
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, 100%, yeah Good job.
Dad All right, well, thank you,thank you.
Am I available as a dad?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yes, he is no comment .
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Whatever, whatever.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
You are setting yourself up?
Yeah, I know, so let's just talkabout another principle that we
see in the book of Mark,chapter 10.
So in the book of Mark, chapter10, we read a story about a man
that came to Jesus.
It's in verse 21.
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And this man comes to Jesus andhe says what must I do to
inherit eternal life?
And Jesus said to him why doyou call me good?
No one is good except God.
You know the commandments Donot murder, do not commit
adultery, do not steal, do notbear fault with us, do not
defraud, honor your father andmother.
Now there's 10 commandments.
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The first six are towards God,the first four are towards God,
the last six are towards humansand, interesting, he only talks
about the ones towards humanbeings.
And then he said to him teacher, all these I have done from my
youth.
And Jesus said, looking at him,he loved him and said you lack
one thing.
Go and sell all you have andgive to the poor.
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You have treasure in heaven.
Come, follow me.
Disheartened by the saying, hewent away sorrowful.
He had great possessions.
So I think sometimes we think,oh gosh, does Jesus want me to
give up everything?
No, jesus wants you to be allin.
That's the key, whether youhave money or not is not the
issue.
Are you all in for Jesus or isthere something else that's a
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greater priority?
And so the question I wouldhave for those of you who are
leaders is are your people allin?
Are they all into the vision,are they all into the mission of
your company?
Are they just sitting therethinking they wish they were
somewhere else, or they wishthey were at lunch, or they wish
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they were out in the field?
Are they all in for what you'redoing?
And that was Jesus' focus.
He wanted his followers to beall in, and a good leader is
able to know, because they knowtheir people Are my people all
in or not?
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So that's a really powerfulleadership lesson.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Right?
Did you have something or areyou good?
Speaker 3 (21:03):
That's a thing to say Okay.
So last week I talked about howme and Ava planned a sleepover.
We talked about proactive andthat sleepover worked and it was
so fun, yeah, it was Well good.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I'm glad you had to have that.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Great.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Well, you know, you talked about your friends, so I
have a son and a daughter.
Several years ago, my sonwanted to get a pet porcupine
that had lost all of its quills.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
I said no because I thought it was pointless.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
That's pretty good, that one's pretty good.
Oh Got to admit it All right.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
So another major theme in Mark that in my show
prep I got is action over words.
You know less about longteachings, more about what Jesus
actually does in there.
I think that's one of thethings that I sort of took away
from Mark.
You know healing, helping,rebuking, restoring and all that
stuff.
So and then I was tying thatinto leadership.
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You know, or if a lot of timesthe people that talk a big story
but they don't actually committo doing any of the work commit
to moving the company forward,you know you can have this big
mission we harp on mission likeevery show.
You know we talk about missionbut if you're not actually
physically working towardsimplementing that, mission
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working towards a greater goodin your personal life, in your
business life, into yourspiritual life.
you know, or are you actuallymoving forward?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
you know, and I think that's one of the things I took
out of this, yes, and I'll justshare from experience and some
of you who are, you know theboss and you hire and fire
people or just say let them go,suspend or whatever.
Unfortunately, I had anexperience several years ago
with a youth director who Ithought he was phenomenal and
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the kids all liked him andeverything, and he was there for
I guess five, six months andthen I began to realize, well,
the youth aren't really doinganything.
And so I sat in on a couple ofthe Sunday night meetings and I
realized that he was just likeyou said.
He was a really good talker andhe would always talk about what
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they were going to do, but whatthey were going to do never
actually happened.
And so it's like we had to havea serious conversation about
that because he was getting allthe youth excited, but then
there wasn't any follow throughand eventually we had to let him
go because he didn't want tochange.
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And those are hard decisions.
When you have to hold peopleaccountable, you don't want just
people of their word, you wantpeople of their action.
And so I think you know, goingback, we talked about that on
the very first podcast that wedid a year and a half ago about.
Are you a person of your wordand you know, is your word your
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bond?
Are you actually going to dowhat you say you're going to do?
And I think that's part of aleader's job is to not only do
that but to know are your otherpeople doing that as well?
Right, yeah, and you have to dothat in a kind it's hard to let
someone go.
It's never easy to do it, soyou have to do it with, you know
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, humility and integrity.
You don't want to, you know, doit in condemnation and
criticism and that's not a goodway to do it.
It's not ever easy, butsometimes it just has to get
done.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Unfortunately, yeah, and then it has to.
And I was looking at this andthrough my research, you know, I
was trying to point out and askdifferent questions and I think
one of the big things that cameup is Mark 10-45.
The Son of man came not to beserved, but to serve and to give
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his life as ransom for many.
I think that's a prettypowerful statement.
It summarizes the Gospel ofMark in a way right His whole
life.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
I mean, that's his whole life.
He came to give, and so thechurch we go to we had the
associate pastor preach, so he'snew to the ministry.
He was phenomenal and he saidsomething that I hadn't really
thought of before.
So the heavenly king Jesus is aking who gives.
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An earthly king is normally onewho takes.
Okay, that's good.
And so that summarized Jesusright there.
It's like no, he gave his lifeas a ransom for men.
He came to give and he came toserve.
He came to be a servant.
He came to give and he came toserve.
He came to be a servant.
He came to be humble.
He came to be a teacher and heknew who he was.
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He was very comfortable in hisown skin, he knew what his
mission was, but he didn't lookdown on people, look down his
nose on people and think he wasbetter than them.
So many times we see leaders orwhoever that just they just
think they're better than otherpeople and that's not good for
the organization at all.
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You know you might, you mighthave a degree, you might have
more talent, whatever, you mighthave some background, but you
got to be real careful in howyou treat other people, because
once you start thinking thatyou're better than them, they
know that real quick and it'sgoing to be you might start
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losing people and you begin towonder why.
And it's you.
You need to go do someself-evaluation.
So great point, tim.
Great, great point.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
And one more thing that came up and I thought was
really good is the wordimmediately.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Immediately.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Was used over 40 times.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
And this is a very short chapter a very short
gospel, I guess, yeah, 16chapters yeah, and over 40 times
.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
And that was a point of get out there and Jesus was
doing it.
It wasn't all talk, it wasmoving forward.
I think that really ties backinto what we're talking about as
far as corporations andleadership right.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yes, and Mark loved that word.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
He did.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
He really loved that word and almost you can't,
almost not read a chapterwithout him using that word
immediately, something.
So, jesus, like you're right,he immediately did this, he
immediately did that, heimmediately did that.
And so it's like what does thatsay?
And it means he didn't sitaround.
He knew he had a limited timeon this earth to accomplish a
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mission to empower his followersto carry on his work, and so he
was about doing those things,things, and he wanted to do them
immediately, and Mark expressesthat like no other book.
It just shows the Keeps themomentum going.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
He wrote in the sense of a momentum Keep that
momentum rolling the whole time.
There was no lull spots andeverything.
Alisa, did you have a comment?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Yes, I did.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Is this a dad joke?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
No, oh yeah, it is, oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I've got to get my brain in gear for a dad joke.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Cause I have.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
We're getting close on dad jokes, but anyway, you
have one right there, okay,While you're looking at it.
Oh, you have it right now.
Yes, okay, I'm ready.
Okay, so I refuse to take a napyou do yeah, then I guess I'm
resisting arrest okay, so yourdad is a contractor, right he?
(28:39):
Works with a work with anarchitect and an architect, you
know what a protractor is.
Yeah, okay, a protractor.
You know, I put a pencil in andokay.
So why do we only useprotractors in geometry?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Because they have all the angles.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
That's a good one, but it's really because amateur
tractors aren't good enough.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
It's pretty good.
You're pretty good with yourlittle guesses there.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Thank you, that's really good.
They know all the angles.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Oh yeah, so anyway, that's one of the biggest things
.
And you, that's really good.
They know all the angles, ohyeah, so, anyway, that's one of
the biggest things, and we'llsummarize Mark real fast and
then we'll get into some dadjokes, because we're rolling at
the end of the show.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
I have three.
Yeah, you got a few.
Oh my gosh, oh my goodness, Imarked them.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
She prepared.
You know she was proactive.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
She was proactive.
Yes, good.
You know and one of the thingsI get out of that is.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
You know, just think about how you handle your
leadership.
You know, even I procrastinatea lot of times because I am very
much not a perfectionist.
But there's some things that Iam very much a perfectionist in,
some things that I am very mucha perfectionist in, so I will
(29:57):
procrastinate and procrastinateand then just never get it done,
because I want it to be perfectand I'm like I need that set up
or this piece of equipment orthis and and sometimes it's just
a matter of doing it and wetalk about this all the time is,
you know, a lot of theseinfluencers and stuff nowadays,
I mean they don't have like bigsetups.
I mean they're just walkingaround with their phone, talking
to their phone, and a lot oftimes we just put too much merit
in that and sometimes thatmomentum that moving forward is
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the biggest thing to get thingsdone.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Yeah, and sometimes we've worked with people that
always have to have moreresearch or they have to do one
more article, have one more dayto do this or one more day to do
that, and it's like, just makea decision.
You know, we got to get thisdone.
The deadline was last Friday,you know, and you've known that
for two months, and so just getit done, let's get it done.
(30:42):
Okay, sometimes we makedecisions and we make wrong
decisions, but at least let'smake a decision and move forward
.
And then we realize, oh, thatwasn't a good, okay, so how can
we make it better?
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, so how can we make dad jokes better, guys?
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Yes, so, basically, instead of having some jokes
that are dad jokes, they don'treally have answers that make
sense, like one I read was dad,I replaced all the junk food
with tropical fruit.
And I'm like like, no, youdidn't.
And then he said, well, thenyou're making a mango.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Go crazy, that did not make sense to me yeah, not
all dad jokes make sense and wetalked about that right yeah, we
got a.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
We got a call from the electric company the other
day that told us that our billwas outstanding.
I thought what a nicecompliment.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
The bank's going to be sad after that.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
You know I told you we have a son and a daughter.
So our daughter she didn't.
When she was growing up shedidn't think I gave her enough
privacy.
At least that's what she saidin her diary.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Oh, you did not.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Oh, I got a good reaction out of you.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
At least I don't have one.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
You don't have a diary?
Well, if you do, just hide it.
Okay, that's just me.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
My brother's got a diary.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Do you know how to sew?
My mom, before I left home, mymom taught me a couple of things
.
One is to learn how to sew.
You know the sewing machine,but sewing is not as easy as it
seems.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
I know how to sew, you do.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yes, good for you.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Now this one's for my dad.
Dad, do you know what's theworst street to drive on?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
What?
I didn't hear.
The whole thing.
What was the question?
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Dad, what is the worst street to drive on what?
Speaker 2 (32:55):
is the worst street to drive on.
How about a one-way street?
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Nope, no, friggin' way Okay.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Oh, all right, I have another.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
What do you call a dissatisfied insect?
Speaker 3 (33:16):
A cocoon.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
How about a grumblebee?
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I didn't get the box I didn't get the box either.
We think we need that one.
All right, one more.
One more, lisa.
One more, dr Dean.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
All right.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Why did the One more Lisa, one more, dr Dean?
Okay, all right.
Why did the snail paint an S?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
on his car.
Why did the snail paint an S onhis car?
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Any guesses?
I know, I know why.
Why?
Because?
Speaker 3 (33:48):
it was an S cargo, no , but close.
So his friends will say look,look at that S cargo.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Oh close, very close, yeah, yeah, all right Dr.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Dean, yeah, you know, when I was walking into the
building today, oh yeah, I founda nickel on the ground.
Oh, and I think I'm going tofind a penny later.
It's just my six cents.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
I knew where that one was going.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
That's six dollars, little penny.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
All right, okay, all right guys.
Thank you for listening.
Thank you, elisa, forco-hosting today.
Yeah, thank you.
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Let us know if you have anyprayer requests, any special
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(34:43):
We have a lot of people reachout.
Send us a text.
You can reach out text.
Email us that.
Other than that I'm going to doa double takeout for the rest of
the day.
So let's start with Alisa, seeif she remembers it, and then
we'll follow up with Dr Posey.
Make it a great day.
Yes, make it a great day.
All right, Thank you guys.
(35:04):
Bye, Bye.
uh-huh now yeah, uh-huh, yeah, yeah, yeah, come
on, come on, all righty, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome,
welcome, welcome welcome welcometim.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:34):
today official.
We got to do it every time, soI'm doing great.
Dr posey, how are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I am doing good.
Hey, we had a j 4th weekend.
It was just fantastic.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Spent a little time down at the lake, did a little
relaxation, we watched thefireworks.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, the community we lived in we liked the
fireworks.
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
So we have another special guest in here.
Two weeks in a row.
It's summer and she likes tocome hang out with us and hang
out with dad in the office.
But who's with us today?
What's your name?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Elisa Elisa.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Did you have a good time at the lake and fireworks
and everything?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
The food was so good.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
It was good, it was good, good, good.
But yeah, we're here back inthe studio doing our thing and
you know, do you have a good?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
force.
Yeah, we have a good force.
So let me just tell you, andwe're gonna go right into
leadership, leadership,leadership.
Yeah, imagine that.
But before that, before that,why did the river have trouble
remembering things?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
because they just flowed through his brain.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Oh, that's a good answer.
That was pretty good.
I'll have another answer,because he was becoming senile.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
It was kind of like your eyeglass joke last week.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
That was bad yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Is that what we should give him?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
So the community that Diane and I have lived in for
25 years Little Azle justoutside of Fort Worth we really
like the people there.
The community is awesome.
They have an event on July 4th.
They've had it, for this wasthe 32nd year.
It's called Follow the Flag.
It was started by an incredibleguy by the name of Lou Schaefer
(02:29):
, who was a colonel in the AirForce.
He was an avid Christian, verypassionate about the Lord, and
he wanted to do something tohonor the country and Christ for
the 4th of July.
So we started this like in hisown property, and it's just
grown to now there's like 15,000people to show up, wow.
So there's Christian bands Wow,that's cool.
(02:51):
All the churches get together,give out free food we were
giving out iced tea and then atabout 9-15, they have fireworks,
and one of the things that Iused to do many years ago was I
helped light all the fireworks.
So that was so I told peoplethat was like my most fun 15
minutes of the year.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, I can imagine.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
We were lighting all these fireworks.
Now there's Pro seat right,yeah it was all electronic now,
but back then you actually hadto have like a butane lighter
light the fuse get away the way.
It was so much fun.
But we still enjoy thefireworks and just having that
community spirit and the peopleare all there and families, and
(03:33):
just it's just really good.
And so let me just, let's justgo into leadership for just a
minute, because the only waythat could happen is if the
businesses of the communityactually support that
financially.
They support it with product,they support it with their
(03:53):
advertising.
And so my question is for you,whatever organization that you
lead, whatever it is, howinvolved are you in the
community?
Do you donate your time to say,like Habitat for Humanity, do
you give your people a day offif they go work at the local
food bank?
Do you donate time, resources,whatever?
(04:15):
I think that really createssynergy with your people.
It gives something that's anintangible, that really binds
people together, that theyrealize that we're not just
about ourselves, we're not justabout profit, we're really about
helping other people.
That is a really good leadershipprinciple.
(04:36):
I mean, that's all Jesus wasabout.
He was about other people andblessing other people.
And so the question would befor us whatever company you're
at it could be a dry cleaningbusiness, could be a plumbing
business, electricity, butwhatever it is how much of your
time or energy is spent justblessing other people, and it
(04:57):
could just be a time thing.
I mean, this was just going andvolunteering.
The church provided the icedtea, so it wasn't that expensive
.
But it was the principle ofactually saying, hey, we're here
not just to enjoy it ourselves,we're here so that other people
can enjoy it as well.
And it was just a great event.
(05:18):
It just gets better every year.
Yeah, it was just really reallyan awesome, awesome evening.
So, yeah, really good.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Fun time.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Really good Fun times .
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Do you have something you want to say?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, I have a question about the fireworks.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Did it get crowded really fast or did it stay like
just a little?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
bit of people.
Oh, people will stay until thevery end.
So they normally have all thesefireworks for about 10 to 12
minutes, okay.
And then they have the finale,and the finale lasts for like
five minutes and it's just oneafter another just going, going,
(05:57):
going and the sky is, and theyhave it out in this big park
right by the library and so youcan see, and it's just, and it's
dark, and they don't startuntil like 9.15, 9.20.
And then there's a band playingand stuff like that, you know
the patriotic music, and it'sjust a really great experience.
(06:18):
And then we park way awaybecause there's so many people.
It's just a madhouse to get now, but it's just a great evening
and we just enjoy it every year.
So, yeah, been doing it a longtime.
We love it, we love it.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Fireworks is pretty good too.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It's really good too, the finale was great.
Oh yes.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, that's always good, pretty, amazing.
So I Pretty amazing.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
So I love it when you get out there and it's just,
it's a good time of year, youknow, to be able to see it, and
the two hour drive was worth it.
Yes, exactly right, it was Allright.
So let's talk about this.
We finally, finally, finally,finished up the book of Matthew.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Matthew, and we're starting in the book of Mark.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
We are yes, starting in the book of Mark.
We are yes, the book of Mark.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
And I do believe we're still on the topic of
Jesus' resurrection.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah Well, we'll get to that later in the podcast
today, but let's just talk aboutMark.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Well, let's start.
Give us an overview, dr P, onjust what, mark and what we
expect on this, and then we'llget into breaking everything
down.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Okay.
So let's just start byanswering a question of who was
Mark?
Okay, by answering a questionof who was Mark?
Okay?
So if you look at the disciples, the 12 disciples of Jesus,
he's not in the list.
So you're thinking, well, howcome he's not in the list?
He wrote a book.
Yes, he did.
(07:38):
Many scholars believe that hewas John Mark, who's mentioned
in the book of Acts, and JohnMark really was very close to
both Paul and Peter, peterespecially, and most scholars
believe not all, but mostbelieve that John Mark was like
a scribe and wrote down Peter'steachings and sermons of things
(08:05):
that Jesus actually said, andthen he got all of these
together and then he put them inbook order for other people to
read and then, with that beingthe first recorded gospel, then
many scholars believe that Lukeand Matthew had Mark's resource
(08:28):
and then they wrote their ownversion using some of Mark's
things.
So that's why we talked about acouple of weeks ago the first
three books of the New TestamentMatthew, mark and Luke are
called the Synoptic Gospelsbecause there's so many
similarities in the stories, theorder, all those kind of things
.
Most scholars believe that Markwas first, that he did this.
(08:52):
You know, years before thatMatthew or Luke was written, and
so let's just talk about that.
For leadership principles Manytimes great leaders to go from
good to great, as you know,that's common said.
Sometimes we have to step outof the box and be willing to do
something no one else has done,whether that's introduce a new
(09:15):
product, whether that's doingsomething differently.
Just think about a musician.
Okay, okay, there isn't any newmusic notes that have been
invented.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
And for many, many years.
There's not any new vocabularythat has been invented, but a
really good musician can takewhat's already there the notes
and language and just createsomething that's just absolutely
unique and it stands the testof time.
And so that would be like okay,if you're a leader and you are
(09:54):
competing in a very competitiveworld, now what are you going to
do to maybe change your productline, change the way you market
, do something that no one elseis doing in order to set
yourself apart from the rest ofthe crowd?
And so we see that in here inMark, he did something.
(10:15):
That other—before then it wasall oral tradition.
There were maybe things writtendown about Jesus, but no one
had compiled them into like onecohesive story.
So because he did that, hereally changed history, and we
have still copies of that today.
It's the second book in the NewTestament, the book of Mark,
(10:39):
and we're thankful because hewas willing to do that.
So, yeah, great lesson.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Are there other?
You know you mentioned thatmaybe Mark was a scribe or
anything.
Is there any other chaptersthat really fall under that
category?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Well, if you actually look and I have a book at home
that's called the SynopticGospels and it's just Matthew,
mark and Luke, and then it'slike in columns and so you can
see this story and certainBibles have that.
If you look up, say, thecalming of the storm in Mark,
chapter 4, it'll tell you whereelse in the Bible, like in the
(11:14):
book of Matthew, the book ofMark or Luke where else can you
find that?
If you look like the feeding ofthe 5,000, that's found in all
four of the books.
Okay, matthew, mark, luke andJohn it's one of the few stories
that's found in all four books.
But the Synoptic Gospelbreakdown will tell you exactly
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where to find it.
And there might be some wordsthat are a little different, but
the basic story, like 95% isexactly the same.
Like 95% is exactly the same.
And because most scholarsbelieve that Mark was written
first, it's like, oh, luke'swriting it and he goes why do I
have to reinvent this?
I can just take it and you knowit's like doing a research
(11:56):
paper.
You do some research but thenyou put it in your own words and
that's what Matthew and Lukedid.
I see.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, so that's— yeah , and I was just doing some
stuff here as you were speaking,and the synoptic comes from the
Greek syn equals together andoptus is view, so it's a
together view.
They prevent a similarperspective of the life and
teachings of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, exactly right, so I understand that.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Go ahead, babe.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Okay.
So basically I think Dr Posey'sright about the scribe thing.
I think he actually is not adisciple, but he's friends with
them or something.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
He was a disciple, but he wasn't one of the 12
apostles.
Oh yeah, he was a follower ofJesus.
A follower of Jesus is adisciple.
So you're a disciple, I'm adisciple, your dad's a disciple,
your.
You're a disciple, I'm adisciple, your dad's a disciple,
your mom's a disciple, okay.
Disciple is mean a learner or afollower, okay, but Jesus, out
of his disciples, he chose 12 tobe his apostles.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Okay, so Mark wasn't one of them, but he got his own
chapter in the book.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Well, he wasn't one of the original 12, but he
followed—he was very goodfriends with Peter, who was—you
know Peter and Andrew he was oneof them and so he was very
close to Peter and he listenedto Peter speak and teach and
preach, and so he would writedown what Peter wrote and then
(13:27):
he put all that into a book.
That makes a lot more sense.
That makes a lot more sense.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Because I know Peter and the Twelve turned into
saints at the end.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Right Turned into saints and some denominations
view those as saints.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
We'd say St Peter, st Mark, you know, st Paul
Actually recently, about a weekago, I went to a new church
called St Peter and St Paul's.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
And it's in Arlington and basically, apparently it
was St Peter and St Paul's Fest,so it was Feast actually.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Sorry.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
It was like brand new and it was really fun.
And see, it was our first time,but it ended up we had like it
was a high mass that day.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
So it's Catholic and it's like Erengoshian.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Anglican Anglican.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I don't know how to say it better.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
So that has a long history.
We won't talk about it rightnow.
But the Anglican Church a long,rich tradition that is really
around the world is really aforerunner to the Methodist
tradition that I'm a part of,and so the founder of the
Methodist church was an Anglicanpriest in England.
(14:38):
So is his brother, charles, andso John and Charles Wesley were
both Anglican priests inEngland and they wanted to bring
revival to the church.
Anglican priests in England andthey wanted to bring revival to
the church, and that started anew form of faith and a new
denomination called Methodism.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
That's nice Anyway.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
That's awesome, yeah, so let's get back to Mark.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, let's talk about Mark.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, and so let's just think about.
We see something very similarin all the Gospels Matthew, mark
, luke and John about Jesusbeing a servant leader.
But let's point out I want topoint out in our time today, two
particular things.
One is in Mark 4, verse 35.
(15:19):
Really, in chapter 4, we seethere was a storm.
The disciples were on a boat.
Jesus calmed a storm.
The disciples were on a boat,jesus calmed the storm.
And so let's talk about that.
As far as leadership principlesare concerned, I think a good
leader calms the storms ofpeople's anxiety.
He's not trying to be he or she, is not trying to be
(15:42):
Pollyannish, not trying to befake, but when one person gets
anxious about the market orsupply chain or someone doesn't
show up to work, a good leaderis proactive.
We talked about that last week.
A good leader is proactive tocalm the storm in the midst of
(16:05):
the anxiety, because you know asgood as I do that when you have
anxiety in one person, itspreads like wildfire through
the whole organization and itcan be really quick.
So does that mean you need tohave, like a call staff meeting?
Does that mean that you sendout emails?
Does you need to have somephone calls.
(16:26):
Do you need to have some shortmeetings?
What does it mean?
How do you calm the storm whensomething you know hits in your
organization?
I don't know what works for you.
I've done all of those, you know.
I've had emergency meetings,we've had stand-up meetings, we
have sit-down meetings, we haveluncheon meetings.
We'd send out emails you knowwhatever just so that we stay
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ahead of the gossip and people'sanxiety.
Also, having an open doorpolicy, I've worked with people
where they'd come into theoffice and they'd shut the door.
They didn't want to talk toanybody.
It's like no, no, when you havesomething going on that's not
good or that's good.
You want to be accessible toyour people.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
And open door policy.
I even take it one step fartherand I just taught in one of my
leadership classes this weekjust make sure you have an open
door policy.
Just because your door is open,are you approachable?
Do people trust you enough tocome talk to you?
Because a lot of people pitchthat they have an open door
policy but then none of theiremployees.
They're scared to talk to them.
They'll walk right by and talkto a coworker and all that.
(17:30):
And that's one of the things.
Just watch your open doorpolicy.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah, and I learned long ago from a really great
pastor up in Oklahoma that hewould schedule a specific time
like from 1115 to noon to returnphone calls.
Before then he would meet withthe staff, he would have staff
meetings, but he would have thatspecific time in the morning
(17:57):
and afternoon so he wasn't onthe phone all day and that
allowed his like he had.
He had an open door policy.
People could come in.
He was very approachable.
That taught me a lot.
To say who's the prior.
Yes, phone calls are importantOther customers or business or
church members or whatever.
But I've also got to beavailable to the people that are
(18:22):
there in the office and if theyneed to walk in and say
something, or we need to talkabout something because it just
happened, you know, whatever itmay be, I need to be available
to that.
So great point there, tim.
Great point Are you actuallyavailable to your people?
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, 100%, yeah Good job.
Dad All right, well, thank you,thank you.
Am I available as a dad?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yes, he is no comment .
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Whatever, whatever.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
You are setting yourself up?
Yeah, I know, so let's just talkabout another principle that we
see in the book of Mark,chapter 10.
So in the book of Mark, chapter10, we read a story about a man
that came to Jesus.
It's in verse 21.
(19:13):
And this man comes to Jesus andhe says what must I do to
inherit eternal life?
And Jesus said to him why doyou call me good?
No one is good except God.
You know the commandments Donot murder, do not commit
adultery, do not steal, do notbear fault with us, do not
defraud, honor your father andmother.
Now there's 10 commandments.
(19:34):
The first six are towards God,the first four are towards God,
the last six are towards humansand, interesting, he only talks
about the ones towards humanbeings.
And then he said to him teacher, all these I have done from my
youth.
And Jesus said, looking at him,he loved him and said you lack
one thing.
Go and sell all you have andgive to the poor.
(19:55):
You have treasure in heaven.
Come, follow me.
Disheartened by the saying, hewent away sorrowful.
He had great possessions.
So I think sometimes we think,oh gosh, does Jesus want me to
give up everything?
No, jesus wants you to be allin.
That's the key, whether youhave money or not is not the
issue.
Are you all in for Jesus or isthere something else that's a
(20:17):
greater priority?
And so the question I wouldhave for those of you who are
leaders is are your people allin?
Are they all into the vision,are they all into the mission of
your company?
Are they just sitting therethinking they wish they were
somewhere else, or they wishthey were at lunch, or they wish
(20:38):
they were out in the field?
Are they all in for what you'redoing?
And that was Jesus' focus.
He wanted his followers to beall in, and a good leader is
able to know, because they knowtheir people Are my people all
in or not?
(20:58):
So that's a really powerfulleadership lesson.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Right?
Did you have something or areyou good?
Speaker 3 (21:03):
That's a thing to say Okay.
So last week I talked about howme and Ava planned a sleepover.
We talked about proactive andthat sleepover worked and it was
so fun, yeah, it was Well good.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I'm glad you had to have that.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Great.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Well, you know, you talked about your friends, so I
have a son and a daughter.
Several years ago, my sonwanted to get a pet porcupine
that had lost all of its quills.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
I said no because I thought it was pointless.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
That's pretty good, that one's pretty good.
Oh Got to admit it All right.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
So another major theme in Mark that in my show
prep I got is action over words.
You know less about longteachings, more about what Jesus
actually does in there.
I think that's one of thethings that I sort of took away
from Mark.
You know healing, helping,rebuking, restoring and all that
stuff.
So and then I was tying thatinto leadership.
(22:07):
You know, or if a lot of timesthe people that talk a big story
but they don't actually committo doing any of the work commit
to moving the company forward,you know you can have this big
mission we harp on mission likeevery show.
You know we talk about missionbut if you're not actually
physically working towardsimplementing that, mission
(22:28):
working towards a greater goodin your personal life, in your
business life, into yourspiritual life.
you know, or are you actuallymoving forward?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
you know, and I think that's one of the things I took
out of this, yes, and I'll justshare from experience and some
of you who are, you know theboss and you hire and fire
people or just say let them go,suspend or whatever.
Unfortunately, I had anexperience several years ago
with a youth director who Ithought he was phenomenal and
(23:03):
the kids all liked him andeverything, and he was there for
I guess five, six months andthen I began to realize, well,
the youth aren't really doinganything.
And so I sat in on a couple ofthe Sunday night meetings and I
realized that he was just likeyou said.
He was a really good talker andhe would always talk about what
(23:25):
they were going to do, but whatthey were going to do never
actually happened.
And so it's like we had to havea serious conversation about
that because he was getting allthe youth excited, but then
there wasn't any follow throughand eventually we had to let him
go because he didn't want tochange.
(23:46):
And those are hard decisions.
When you have to hold peopleaccountable, you don't want just
people of their word, you wantpeople of their action.
And so I think you know, goingback, we talked about that on
the very first podcast that wedid a year and a half ago about.
Are you a person of your wordand you know, is your word your
(24:07):
bond?
Are you actually going to dowhat you say you're going to do?
And I think that's part of aleader's job is to not only do
that but to know are your otherpeople doing that as well?
Right, yeah, and you have to dothat in a kind it's hard to let
someone go.
It's never easy to do it, soyou have to do it with, you know
(24:30):
, humility and integrity.
You don't want to, you know, doit in condemnation and
criticism and that's not a goodway to do it.
It's not ever easy, butsometimes it just has to get
done.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Unfortunately, yeah, and then it has to.
And I was looking at this andthrough my research, you know, I
was trying to point out and askdifferent questions and I think
one of the big things that cameup is Mark 10-45.
The Son of man came not to beserved, but to serve and to give
(25:05):
his life as ransom for many.
I think that's a prettypowerful statement.
It summarizes the Gospel ofMark in a way right His whole
life.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
I mean, that's his whole life.
He came to give, and so thechurch we go to we had the
associate pastor preach, so he'snew to the ministry.
He was phenomenal and he saidsomething that I hadn't really
thought of before.
So the heavenly king Jesus is aking who gives.
(25:35):
An earthly king is normally onewho takes.
Okay, that's good.
And so that summarized Jesusright there.
It's like no, he gave his lifeas a ransom for men.
He came to give and he came toserve.
He came to be a servant.
He came to give and he came toserve.
He came to be a servant.
He came to be humble.
He came to be a teacher and heknew who he was.
(25:58):
He was very comfortable in hisown skin, he knew what his
mission was, but he didn't lookdown on people, look down his
nose on people and think he wasbetter than them.
So many times we see leaders orwhoever that just they just
think they're better than otherpeople and that's not good for
the organization at all.
(26:18):
You know you might, you mighthave a degree, you might have
more talent, whatever, you mighthave some background, but you
got to be real careful in howyou treat other people, because
once you start thinking thatyou're better than them, they
know that real quick and it'sgoing to be you might start
(26:39):
losing people and you begin towonder why.
And it's you.
You need to go do someself-evaluation.
So great point, tim.
Great, great point.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
And one more thing that came up and I thought was
really good is the wordimmediately.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Immediately.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Was used over 40 times.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
And this is a very short chapter a very short
gospel, I guess, yeah, 16chapters yeah, and over 40 times
.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
And that was a point of get out there and Jesus was
doing it.
It wasn't all talk, it wasmoving forward.
I think that really ties backinto what we're talking about as
far as corporations andleadership right.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yes, and Mark loved that word.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
He did.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
He really loved that word and almost you can't,
almost not read a chapterwithout him using that word
immediately, something.
So, jesus, like you're right,he immediately did this, he
immediately did that, heimmediately did that.
And so it's like what does thatsay?
And it means he didn't sitaround.
He knew he had a limited timeon this earth to accomplish a
(27:42):
mission to empower his followersto carry on his work, and so he
was about doing those things,things, and he wanted to do them
immediately, and Mark expressesthat like no other book.
It just shows the Keeps themomentum going.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
He wrote in the sense of a momentum Keep that
momentum rolling the whole time.
There was no lull spots andeverything.
Alisa, did you have a comment?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Yes, I did.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Is this a dad joke?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
No, oh yeah, it is, oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I've got to get my brain in gear for a dad joke.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Cause I have.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
We're getting close on dad jokes, but anyway, you
have one right there, okay,While you're looking at it.
Oh, you have it right now.
Yes, okay, I'm ready.
Okay, so I refuse to take a napyou do yeah, then I guess I'm
resisting arrest okay, so yourdad is a contractor, right he?
(28:39):
Works with a work with anarchitect and an architect, you
know what a protractor is.
Yeah, okay, a protractor.
You know, I put a pencil in andokay.
So why do we only useprotractors in geometry?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Because they have all the angles.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
That's a good one, but it's really because amateur
tractors aren't good enough.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
It's pretty good.
You're pretty good with yourlittle guesses there.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Thank you, that's really good.
They know all the angles.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Oh yeah, so anyway, that's one of the biggest things
.
And you, that's really good.
They know all the angles, ohyeah, so, anyway, that's one of
the biggest things, and we'llsummarize Mark real fast and
then we'll get into some dadjokes, because we're rolling at
the end of the show.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
I have three.
Yeah, you got a few.
Oh my gosh, oh my goodness, Imarked them.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
She prepared.
You know she was proactive.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
She was proactive.
Yes, good.
You know and one of the thingsI get out of that is.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
You know, just think about how you handle your
leadership.
You know, even I procrastinatea lot of times because I am very
much not a perfectionist.
But there's some things that Iam very much a perfectionist in,
some things that I am very mucha perfectionist in, so I will
(29:57):
procrastinate and procrastinateand then just never get it done,
because I want it to be perfectand I'm like I need that set up
or this piece of equipment orthis and and sometimes it's just
a matter of doing it and wetalk about this all the time is,
you know, a lot of theseinfluencers and stuff nowadays,
I mean they don't have like bigsetups.
I mean they're just walkingaround with their phone, talking
to their phone, and a lot oftimes we just put too much merit
in that and sometimes thatmomentum that moving forward is
(30:20):
the biggest thing to get thingsdone.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Yeah, and sometimes we've worked with people that
always have to have moreresearch or they have to do one
more article, have one more dayto do this or one more day to do
that, and it's like, just makea decision.
You know, we got to get thisdone.
The deadline was last Friday,you know, and you've known that
for two months, and so just getit done, let's get it done.
(30:42):
Okay, sometimes we makedecisions and we make wrong
decisions, but at least let'smake a decision and move forward
.
And then we realize, oh, thatwasn't a good, okay, so how can
we make it better?
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, so how can we make dad jokes better, guys?
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Yes, so, basically, instead of having some jokes
that are dad jokes, they don'treally have answers that make
sense, like one I read was dad,I replaced all the junk food
with tropical fruit.
And I'm like like, no, youdidn't.
And then he said, well, thenyou're making a mango.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Go crazy, that did not make sense to me yeah, not
all dad jokes make sense and wetalked about that right yeah, we
got a.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
We got a call from the electric company the other
day that told us that our billwas outstanding.
I thought what a nicecompliment.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
The bank's going to be sad after that.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
You know I told you we have a son and a daughter.
So our daughter she didn't.
When she was growing up shedidn't think I gave her enough
privacy.
At least that's what she saidin her diary.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Oh, you did not.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Oh, I got a good reaction out of you.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
At least I don't have one.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
You don't have a diary?
Well, if you do, just hide it.
Okay, that's just me.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
My brother's got a diary.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Do you know how to sew?
My mom, before I left home, mymom taught me a couple of things
.
One is to learn how to sew.
You know the sewing machine,but sewing is not as easy as it
seems.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
I know how to sew, you do.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yes, good for you.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Now this one's for my dad.
Dad, do you know what's theworst street to drive on?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
What?
I didn't hear.
The whole thing.
What was the question?
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Dad, what is the worst street to drive on what?
Speaker 2 (32:55):
is the worst street to drive on.
How about a one-way street?
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Nope, no, friggin' way Okay.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Oh, all right, I have another.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
What do you call a dissatisfied insect?
Speaker 3 (33:16):
A cocoon.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
How about a grumblebee?
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I didn't get the box I didn't get the box either.
We think we need that one.
All right, one more.
One more, lisa.
One more, dr Dean.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
All right.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Why did the One more Lisa, one more, dr Dean?
Okay, all right.
Why did the snail paint an S?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
on his car.
Why did the snail paint an S onhis car?
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Any guesses?
I know, I know why.
Why?
Because?
Speaker 3 (33:48):
it was an S cargo, no , but close.
So his friends will say look,look at that S cargo.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Oh close, very close, yeah, yeah, all right Dr.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Dean, yeah, you know, when I was walking into the
building today, oh yeah, I founda nickel on the ground.
Oh, and I think I'm going tofind a penny later.
It's just my six cents.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
I knew where that one was going.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
That's six dollars, little penny.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
All right, okay, all right guys.
Thank you for listening.
Thank you, elisa, forco-hosting today.
Yeah, thank you.
Check us out.
Biblicalleadershipshowcom.
Biblicalleadershipshowcom.
Let us know if you have anyprayer requests, any special
topics or anything that you wantus to touch on, and we would
love to hear from you.
(34:43):
We have a lot of people reachout.
Send us a text.
You can reach out text.
Email us that.
Other than that I'm going to doa double takeout for the rest of
the day.
So let's start with Alisa, seeif she remembers it, and then
we'll follow up with Dr Posey.
Make it a great day.
Yes, make it a great day.
All right, Thank you guys.
(35:04):
Bye, Bye.
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