December 17, 2024 • 37 mins
Rediscover the heartwarming essence of love and leadership with us as we celebrate a special milestone—Dr. Dean Posey's 47th wedding anniversary. Through charming tales of his early marriage days and a comical first Christmas tree story, we offer a lighthearted start to an episode filled with laughter and reflection. A dad joke about the quirky history of waterbeds lightens the mood, leading us into an insightful exploration of the Song of Solomon, a timeless biblical love story that continues to inspire.
As the conversation unfolds, we embrace the profound impact of genuine care in leadership. You'll learn how taking the time to build meaningful relationships can transform professional and personal environments alike. Drawing wisdom from leadership legends like John Maxwell, we share personal anecdotes from church leadership that highlight the significance of trust, mutual respect, and authentic communication. Whether it's through shared meals or home visits, the emphasis is on fostering an atmosphere where people feel valued and supported.
Navigating through the intricate world of Bible versions, we guide newcomers toward finding the perfect fit. With simpler alternatives to the King James Version like the NIV and ESV, we promise a smoother journey into biblical texts. From practical resources like the Bible Project to the thoughtful insights of Tara-Leigh Cobble's Bible Recap, there are tools aplenty to deepen your understanding. As we wrap things up, don’t miss our playful banter about holiday plans and our invitation for your best dad jokes for our upcoming New Year's Eve episode. Your support means the world to us—stay connected by subscribing and joining our community!
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
uh-huh now, yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on, come on.
You didn't know I was gonnalook at you welcome, welcome,
(00:37):
welcome, welcome, tim.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
How you doing there, brother?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
he was sitting there practicing right before the show
.
He was getting his welcome,welcome, welcome all set up.
I threw him off when.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I just looked at him, he just looked at me across the
studio and was like oh, I'msupposed to say something.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Hey everybody, Welcome to another exciting
episode of the BiblicalLeadership Show.
My name is Tim Lansford andwith me is the Dr Dean Posey.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
How are?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
we doing today.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Oh my gosh, it's an exciting day Today is the 17th
of.
December.
It's my wife's and my 47thanniversary yeah we got married
in the second grade.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I was very safe.
I was trying to do the math onthat.
We met in kindergarten.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
We got, you know, had to talk to our parents to get
married in second grade.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So you know Well, I mean you know those things were
acceptable.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yes, Whatever, so it's good.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
That's a long time, 47 years.
My goodness, that's prettyimpressive it was impressive,
yeah, Well happy anniversary.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
We actually met the day before classes started our
freshman year at BaylorUniversity and we didn't date
while we were at Baylor.
We dated after she left Baylorto go to physical therapy school
at the medical school inMemphis and we started dating.
And so then I was finishing upBaylor, she was in PT school and
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she graduated from PT schoolOne Saturday, we got married the
next, and so that was inDecember of 77.
And so then we went to Floridaon honeymoon and we literally
bought you know, you've seen theCharlie Brown Christmas special
where Charlie Brown buys aCharlie Brown tree.
(02:36):
Yes, well, we went to I think itwas a Rotary Club.
They're selling trees.
We literally went to the RotaryClub thing.
I think we must have paid $10,maybe five, I don't know.
It was literally a CharlieBrown tree and we sat on the
beach and strung popcorn andcranberries.
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That was old school but it surewas fun and we had some
ornaments that someone had givenus and that was our first
Christmas tree.
And you know, and we still havewe don't have the popcorn and
cranberries, obviously, but westill have those little
ornaments and we decorated ourtree on the Saturday of
Thanksgiving and we still putthose ornaments up.
And brings back a lot ofmemories.
So, 47 years.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Well, congratulations , congratulations to the missus
I know she's an avid listener?
Yeah, she is, she is, and so isour kids and, by the wayus, I
know she's an avid listener, sheis.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
And so is our kids and, by the way, I just want to
thank our son, matt, for sendinga dad joke.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
We got a dad joke in there.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
So any of you listeners Please send us dad
jokes, because if you're aregular listener to the show,
you know we need your help andwe do actually get dad jokes
Sent in to us and it's nice whenwe get the family to send us a
little dad joke.
I'm just going to start outwith this one, okay.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
All right, get the buttons ready.
This is a good one.
Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
So our son, his wife, they had a waterbed.
Okay, you know the old schoolwaterbeds.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I do.
I have one forever and ever.
They're awesome, he said this.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Our waterbed was way too firm, and we wanted to make
it softer and bouncier, so theydecided to fill it with spring
water.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Oh, there we go, let's start out the show with
that and that got some groansfrom the family, huh.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, it got some serious groans from the family.
I see why Spring water, springwater, yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I love my waterbed.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I just those were so awesome yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Until it leaked, I had the really good ones Mine
never ever leaked.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Oh, with the baffles in it.
I might never.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Ever with the baffles , yeah, the baffles, and that's
what you know the old, thewaterbed, you know I couldn't
handle the you know the one thatwas crazy, but with the bath
the baffles.
It was just so comfy, justconformed.
Ah, just it was great.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I love it.
When did those come out?
I mean, it's been decades, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I mean someone invented the waterbed, yeah the
kids nowadays have no idea whenare they going to make the
comeback, because everythingcycles in about 20 years, right?
I don't know that's got to becoming back around at some point
.
Maybe I should start out thewaterbeds.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Well, now, everything's memory foam right.
Everything's memory foam.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Well, we can do a memory foam slash waterbed
somehow.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Maybe a waterbed on the bottom and a memory foam on
the top.
Yeah, exactly right Kind of ahybrid.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Hey, if you take our idea and do, it.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Please call me.
I'd love to help you marketthat because.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I really think, everything cycles back it does
and it's the waterbed and memoryfoam idea that might be the
million-dollar idea that we'relooking for.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, yeah, there you go.
So happy anniversary to mybride.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yay, I call her my sunshine.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I love it yeah and appropriate, because today it
just so happens.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I know what a great one that we're talking about
today.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
We're talking about the Song of Solomon or the Song
of Songs.
It's spelled by both names anddepends on your Bible that you
read, but most of the time it'scalled the Song of Solomon.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Right.
So yeah, it's basically a lovestory.
It's a big old love story,isn't it?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
It is a big love story and it's fantastic, Right
there in the middle of the Bible.
Some people say what is thatall about?
Well, it's a story and it couldbe true, but a lot of people
think it's an allegory or a kindof a parable about God's love
for His people or Christ's lovefor the church, and so you read
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that, and it's an important partof the Jewish tradition and
part of the Christian traditionto understand how much God loves
His people.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
And so it's a powerful story and I encourage
people.
It's only like eight chapterslong, it's a short book.
Yeah, it's a very short bookbut it's got some powerful
imagery about the power of loveand so I think you know we think
well, what can you learn aboutleadership?
I mean, this is the biblicalleadership show right, right,
(07:07):
yeah, and so what can you learnabout leadership from this book,
this short book that talksabout love between a man and a
woman?
I think you can learn a lot.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
You know it's like okay, so you're the leader, okay
, you could be the leader of asoftball team.
You could be the leader of asoftball team.
You could be the leader of ascout troop.
You could be leader of amultimillion-dollar corporation.
The question is do you care foryour people?
You know, do you care?
Let's just say, a softball team, okay, or a basketball team.
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You know we're in footballseason, so you play flag
football.
Okay, so you're the captain ofthe team.
Do you care more about the gameand winning or do you care more
about your people?
Right?
That's a huge question.
You know, and your people willknow, what your priority is Is
it winning or is it the people?
And so that's a huge thing, andwe get it right here from this
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book that the power of love isone of the greatest powers, if
not the greatest power in theworld, and so the question is
how does that translate intoyour business?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, and you think about that.
You know, if you're somebodythat ties into the people right
over the winning, and peopleknow that, I mean that's what
breeds loyalty.
You know and trust and that'sone of the things we get out of
corporate you know you want thatloyalty, you want that employee
engagement of your employees,that you know that they're with
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you 100%.
You know, and that's you know.
Think back, all of the biblicalleaders, right?
You know there's a lot ofthings that you know.
Let's go wander around for awhile and follow me.
And you know there's a lot oftrust.
You know, over the course, andit's been, you know, said many
times in many different chaptersof Bible, you know, as you know
, some of the different thingsthat we can do.
You know.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Correct.
So two things come to mind whenwe talk about caring for your
people, and that is somethingthat I learned long, long ago
when I was in high school andthat is you have to earn the
right to be heard, and a lot oftimes you earn that right by
caring for people.
And I don't know if it was JohnMaxwell said this first or he
copied it from somebody, butit's a great saying, and that is
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people don't care how much youknow until they know how much
you care.
And so I'm going to say thatagain People don't care how much
you know until they know howmuch you care.
And so that is so true inbusiness People.
You know they care about thebottom line, they care about
their paycheck, but they careabout the vision of the company.
But they want to know does myleader, does my boss, does my
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manager, does my team leader?
Do they really care about me asa person, as an individual, or
am I just a person that you knowchecks off the task list and
advances the company's businessline bottom line?
You know, do they really careabout the bottom line or do they
really care about the people?
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And so that right now you knowwe're coming up on Christmas and
you don't just care for peopleby giving them a bonus at the
end of the year or a present orinviting them to a holiday party
.
No, what do you do during thewhole year to let people know
that you really care about them?
That's a really importantlesson.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, 100%, I think that's, and you tie back and
we're looking at you know, thisbook being a love story, right.
Right, we were really sort ofgoing through sort of
identifying some of the thingsbecause we like to you know this
new series we're taking eachyou know book of the Bible and
going and we're looking at someof the verses and stuff in here
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and the one that stood out to uswhen we talked about that was
my Song of Solomon 216, mybeloved is mine and I is him and
it talks about that mutualrespect and commitment that
we're talking about.
How can we tie that in?
Because there's got to be amutual respect about.
How can we tie that in Becausethere's got to be a mutual
respect, Just because you haveto buy into me as a leader, I
have to buy into you as one ofmy employees as far as that,
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because that's where that trustis, and if you don't have a
two-way back and forth,ultimately something's going to
go sideways.
Whether you talk about companyor relationships, as the song of
Solomon is, it's just there'sgot to be a two-way trust there.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Correct and the relationship is so crucial.
So let me just say one of thethings that I did in more than
one church, and I didn't learnthis from seminary.
I learned it by making too manymistakes in the early part, but
finally realized what you'resaying, that it's got to be.
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You got to focus on the people.
You can't just focus on themission of the church.
The mission of the churchinvolves the people.
So how can I show my care forthe people?
And so what I would do when I'dget to a new church and it just
depend on the size of thechurch how thoroughly I could do
this but most churches, what Iwould do for my first year and I
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remember this very, very well Istood up in the pulpit one day
and I said okay, my assistant isgoing to call you at your home,
text you, email you, whatevercontact you, because I would
like to come and just be in yourhome for 30 to 45 minutes.
I have no agenda except just toget to know you, that's it.
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And so I want to make twovisits every Sunday afternoon.
We're going to have a calendar.
It might not be every Sundaybecause holidays and everything
like that, but every Sunday thatI can, I'm going to visit two
families in the afternoon.
I tell you that paid dividendsfor years and years and years,
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because it's just buildingrelationships.
Now here's the mistake I madewhen I said that, because I said
it off the cuff.
At the very end, I said now theonly thing I ask is that if you
want to do it, you do it, but Iwant you to have dessert ready
when I come.
Oh, I said no, I'm just joking,I'm just joking about the
dessert.
Well, no, the people were notjoking about the dessert.
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I ate so much dessert in thatyear it was like incredibly good
, but the people were very, verygenerous about it.
But the thing about it is itwas investing in the people, you
know, and it took the time.
And so the question is how big apriority is that for you as a
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leader?
Are you investing with yourpeople?
Maybe you don't have timeduring softball practice talking
, okay, are you going to havecoffee with them?
Are you going to eat breakfastwith them?
Are you going to have lunchwith them?
Are you going to do somethingwith the family?
What are you doing outside ofthe business hours to build
relationships with your peopleand the bigger the church, then
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it's like, okay, I had to dothat with the staff.
I couldn't do it with the wholecongregation, so I did it maybe
with the staff and maybe theleaders of the church or the
administrative council orsomething like that.
Those were the relationships Ifocused on, and so the question
is, if the bigger theorganization?
But the principle is the same,and that is is do you focus on
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people and your mission or doyou just focus on the mission?
you know, and which one's first,and your people know.
They know from your words andwe talked about this before the
show the words that you say, thetone of voice that you use, the
body language that you use.
Are you uplifting people?
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Are you encouraging people?
Are you discouraging people?
You know that is so, soimportant.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yeah, 100%.
And you know there's a lot oflessons to be learned and we
talked about some differentthings in this Song of Solomons
or Song of Songs, and one of thethings that we sort of talked
about the next one that welooked at is, you know, speak
with transparency andvulnerability.
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If you look at Song of Solomon5-6, I opened for my beloved and
my beloved had left.
He was gone.
My heart sank at his departure.
Now in this book there's a lotof missions.
This first part of Solomon islike.
Every time she woke up theywere together and then he left
right, he's gone.
(15:30):
I was trying to figure that oneout right, and that was the
reoccurring theme of the firstpart of this.
Is there a backstory on this oris there a theory on this?
I'm just curious.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Well, the thing about it is, if you just read the
book, if you just read it fromfront to back, and you can
probably sit down and read it in20 minutes okay, maybe 25, but
if you just read it, you'regoing to maybe be confused
because you won't understandwhat is this about.
What is this love languagebetween this man and this woman?
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And then, every so often theymentioned Solomon, and there's
this woman and the shepherd andit's just.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
But they say Solomon wasn't the writer on this right.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
They say that Solomon wasn't the writer.
But Solomon is the one whoreally is accredited for
starting the wisdom literatureof the Jewish tradition, and so
this was written in that vein aspart of the wisdom literature,
and so the people who put hisname in the book the Song of
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Solomon are saying this waswritten in the format that
Solomon would say Now, could hehave written it?
Scholars still are undecided.
Did he write this?
It could have been somethingthat he said wrote.
We don't know 100% who theauthor was.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
It could have been Solomon, maybe not but Now, if
you put it in that terms, maybethis is the one that kept
getting away right, you know hehad lots of wives, right.
Maybe this was his true lovethat kept sliding away from him
and he kept waking up, trying toreunite.
I don't know.
I'm trying to be positive.
I'm trying to do a positivespin on this one.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Solomon had 700 wives , yeah you know that was not
good at the end because thewives some of the wives he
married were not of the Jewishfaith, and so they led him
astray from worshiping the trueGod, and that just created all
kinds of problems for him andthe end of his life.
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At the beginning he was sofaithful to God.
He was trying to follow in hisfather's you know, king David's
footsteps.
He did incredible things forthe nation you know, built the
temple and those kind of things,was one of the wisest men other
than Jesus who ever lived inhistory of humankind.
Was wealthier beyond belief.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
He had to have 700 wives.
I have one.
And if you're listening, youknow what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
But the guy was brilliant okay, brilliant, so he
could have written this.
He might not have written it,but he's accredited for it.
But the thing about it is, ifyou just read it and you go,
what is this all about?
It's important to read maybe, astudy Bible, get a study Bible
and read some of the backstoryon that so you can understand oh
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, this is about this woman andthe shepherd and their love for
one another, and then Solomon atthe end is trying to buy her
love and she says no.
And so it's important tounderstand some of the history
behind it or some of the themesthat you have.
And one of the—if you don't know, you're a listener and you
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don't know about the BibleProject, I would just say go to
BibleProjectcom.
They have a short summary ofevery book in the Bible.
That's literally between sixand ten minutes, and it is
incredible those people arebrilliant scholars and artists
how they can visually explainevery book in the Bible.
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So I would encourage you to golook at that video it's like
seven minutes long and then readthe book.
It will make so much more senseto understand the dynamic
between the woman and theshepherd and Solomon at the end
and those kind of things.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
No, we're going to take a detour, because that's
what we do.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, we can.
It's our show, so we talkExactly right, not a dad joke.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yet Don't panic.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Don't panic.
Okay, I've got one here.
It's football season, I got afootball joke.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
All right, so you mentioned, we always reference.
King James Version.
But you mentioned the studyBible there, you know, is there
a different way for people thatare new to the Bible?
Is there?
Should I get this Bible, thatBible, should I get a secondary
thing Is there just a thoughtprocess of how to go about it or
do you just sit down and youknow we've talked about
sometimes Old Testament dragsdown, go to the New Testament,
maybe kick back, but give us anidea for people that might be
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new to the ministry.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Okay.
So here's the thing.
The King James Version of theBible is incredible.
Okay, it literally changedhistory when it was printed.
But the King James Version iswritten on a 12th grade reading
level and it's Old English.
It's very difficult for somepeople to understand, even if
they're scholars, scholars yeah.
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It's hard for them because theydon't speak Old English, they
don't understand the these andthe thous and they can just get
caught up in the language and sothat's frustrating and they
just sometimes just don't wantto read.
So my encouragement is to getsomething that's say less than a
12-degree reading level, maybelike NIV, the ESV, the CEV,
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different versions of the Bible,the NRSV, the American Standard
.
They're less, but if you'relooking for a Bible there's so
many apps online now that youcan go and somebody will read
the Bible to you.
If you actually want a book toactually hold in your hands,
then I would encourage you to goto Mardale, go to a Bible
(21:15):
bookstore and just take about 30minutes to an hour and just sit
down and read the same chapters.
Okay, so read like Genesis 1and 2 and Matthew 1 and 2 or
Luke 1 and 2.
You know it's Christmastime.
Read the Christmas story in thebook of Luke, do that in several
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versions of the Bible so youmaybe get a King James, and then
you get an NIV or maybe a RSVor NRSV or New King James or
some other American standard orsomething, and just read four,
five, six.
The message is a good place tostart.
Years ago it was the LivingBible.
So I would just say get onethat you enjoy reading, that's
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easy for you to read.
Start with that one, okay.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
I got you.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Just start with that one.
Now, there's Bibles that justhave the New Testament.
There's Bibles that have theNew Testament and Psalms and
Proverbs.
There's Bibles, obviously, thathave the whole Bible.
If you're from the Catholictradition, you have the
Apocrypha in there.
So it's just like, what do Iwant?
And then you say, well, I justwant something to read.
Okay, well then, maybe get themessage, get maybe a living
(22:26):
Bible, getting something likethat.
But then if you want toactually like, okay, I want to
read something about these booksbefore I read them, then you
might need to go to a studyBible.
Now, the thing about a studyBible they're normally thicker,
heavier, and that might not beone that you carry to church.
You might just say, that's oneI'm going to read at home.
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I'm going to read the notes,I'm going to read the
introductions, I'm going to readthe history.
The author and that's what Iuse at home is a study Bible,
niv study Bible.
I've used it for years.
It's all marked up, you know,because I always learn something
new about it.
But it's fascinating to know,okay, who wrote the book About,
when was it written, what arethe major themes, what is the
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outline, and if you understandthat before you even read the
Bible, go to the Bible Projectand listen to the video.
Then it gives you a goodunderstanding of the book before
you actually read.
So then when you read it's notas confusing.
You understand oh, that's whatthe Song of Solomon is over.
Oh, that's what the book ofLamentations is about.
Oh, that's what the book ofLuke is about.
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And you can get that.
And then when you read it, itjust makes a lot more sense.
So if you take a little bit oftime to do some homework about
getting the right Bible and thena little bit of homework about
what is this about?
Some background, it'll makereading the Bible so much more
enjoyable for you.
It really will.
And what a great habit to getinto for the first of the year.
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People are thinking what is myNew Year's resolution?
The other thing that is reallyincredible there's a lot of
things online, but the Biblerecap.
That program Terri Lee Cobbleshe's a phenomenal lady and you
read the Bible through an entireyear.
You read like five or sixchapters, you read it
chronologically and then she hasa recap for like six minutes
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online, explains what you read,and that's a good way to start
New Year's.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Eve.
And what is that Bible recap?
The Bible recap.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah, it's really, really good.
I've done it.
My wife's done it several times.
She came to our church.
Tara Lee came to our church acouple years ago and spoke.
Just an incredible lady.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I watched her on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, she's really, really good, and what a gift
that she has to help people readthe Bible for the first time.
Yeah, it's really good.
So I would say there's so manyresources out now that there
weren't, say, 10, 15 years ago.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
They have a lot of daily devotionals, right.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Online yes, they have online ones.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
They've got I guess I'm signed up one.
It sends you a Bible verseevery morning.
You start your day off with aBible verse, and so there's so
many things out there that youcan do, and I mean, I've got the
Bible on my iPad and my phone,you know, and there's no excuse.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
you know, because a lot of people are like I'm not
carrying this around everywhere,you know, but I mean it's
everywhere now you know, andit's just, it's wherever On my
phone that I have here in myhand.
I probably have.
I don't even know how manydifferent translations I have in
just one app.
So the technology is incredibleand I'd say take advantage of
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that, from people's research andtime and investment.
Take advantage of that.
Make it easy for you, becauseif you're going to develop a
habit of reading the Bible, youwant to make it easy.
You don't want to be like, oh,I'm going to join the gym and
three weeks later you stop going.
You want to do it, so it's easyfor you to do.
And I'd say, start out readinga chapter in the Old Testament
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chapter every day.
Get in the habit of doing that,because you know it's like.
Our daughter was a teacher fora long time.
She taught Spanish and ateacher's job.
I only taught one year when Iwas in school.
I taught PE.
But the teacher's job is notjust to teach the subject.
I think also a teacher's job isto develop a passion for
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learning in their students.
Okay, and so if you can justdevelop a passion for reading
the Bible, what a great giftthat is, and so I just encourage
people to just pick up a Biblethat you can read and start
reading it.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, I think that's great.
That's a long answer to aquestion.
It was no, it was a greatanswer and I think that's.
You know it's again it's ourshow, we go on, but I think it's
important, especially at thistime of year.
You know we're going into.
You know people create newhabits and new things that they
want to do, or they've beenlistening to the show and they
don't know how to get started,or they want to increase in
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their faith, and then you know,little things like this just
help a lot of people, because alot of people don't know they
don't have a relationship withsomebody like I consider across.
That's why I brought you to thepodcast.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I got like my personal coach here, right,
that's been doing this for 10 or12 days.
He's only been doing these.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
But I mean, yeah, so it's one of those things.
That's a beautiful thing forpeople to expand their knowledge
.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, I was listening to a podcast the other day
about triathlon training andthis, this woman who was talking
about it she she teaches at theAir Force Academy.
She was in the Air Force.
She talked about habits.
How do we develop habits?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Right.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Okay, and I hadn't finished listening to the whole
podcast.
It was really good and lengthy.
But she said, okay, this isjust an example.
Some people have a kind of athey don't want to floss their
teeth.
Even though and she actuallyused this on the podcast she
said some people don't want tofloss their teeth, so I
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encourage them to just floss onetooth.
Just floss one tooth, right,that's all you want to do, just
floss one.
And then they realize, oh, Ican floss one tooth.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I can floss one tooth .
Speaker 2 (28:24):
I can floss one tooth .
Well, then they realize, oh,that was not bad, so then they
just automatically startflossing two or three.
And so sometimes we think,reading the Bible, I got to sit
down and read for an hour.
No, you don't.
Sit down and read for fiveminutes.
Start with baby steps.
Floss one tooth, you know.
Just start simple, make itsimple, and then it gets to be a
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habit and you want to get tothe point where you don't feel
like I got it.
No, you want to do it.
You want to do this, notbecause I feel I have to.
I'm guilty if I don't.
No, you want to do that, and Ithink God wants to put that
desire in our hearts.
I think that's one of themessages from the Song of
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Solomon is that God has so muchlove for us.
He wants us to experience lovefor Him.
And how can he best do that?
One of the best ways is to readthe Word of God.
It's like a love letter.
You know from the start to theend.
It's God's love letter to ushow much he loves us and how
much he was willing to do for usby sending His Son dying on the
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cross and rising from the deadso we can have eternal life.
Wow, what a great love letterthat is that is good and we're
coming up on Christmas, you know, the birth of Christ, you know,
and that's uh.
We're celebrating that nextweek and and so yeah that's good
.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
And we got big time plans coming up for the new year
.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
We're not going to break the news to you yet.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, but don't miss the New Year's Eve show.
It might be the best show ofthe year.
It very well might be.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
It could be All right , so let's just say, if you want
your dad joke on air before theend of the year, because we
only got after today.
We only got two more shows.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
I know.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve.
I know so if you want, sendyour dad jokes in you know
biblicalleadershowcom and sendthem to us.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
And send them quick.
Yeah, send them quick.
Yes, yeah, because okay, yeah,anyway, anyway, so I think we're
done, let's just go Well, here,no, before we go.
No, we got one more thing,because we started a series of
the four things of leadership.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
And.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I want to get to the second one, because we said
we're going to do this in fourweeks.
So tell us what was second onour list and explain what we did
last week, in case people arejust listening today.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah, thank you so much for calling my attention,
because I have that note righthere in front of me.
So this was from Forbesmagazine June 25th of this year,
and it was an article aboutwhat leaders want from the
people they lead.
You know what are the four mainthings that leaders want from
the people they lead.
Last week we talked about that.
They want the people they leadto take accountability for their
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own mistakes.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Right, very, very important.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
And why would they want that?
Because it shows integrity andresponsibility and it fosters a
culture of trust.
Okay, so the second one wasthey want people to be proactive
in their follow-up.
If your leader or your boss oryour employer has to keep
nagging you about doingsomething over and over, when
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are you going to get that reporton my desk?
When are you going to send youknow, fourth quarter reports are
coming due pretty quick, right?
Profit and loss statements, allthose kind of stuff.
When are you going to get thatreport to me?
You know, when is this going tohappen?
If you keep having to nag anemployee, reminding them if
they're not proactive in doingtheir work, what does that say
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about them?
Okay, it basically means I'mgoing to do my own thing, I'm
not going to pay attention toyou, and the leaders want people
who are going to be proactive,doing their responsibilities and
take responsibility to do it,instead of having to be told
time and time again to do theirwork.
So that's number two.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
That's probably one of my.
I don't have too many petpeeves.
I really don't.
I'm pretty easygoing boss.
You know, do your thing I'm.
I'm a big person of empowerment.
I'll give you the you know theleash to go out and do whatever
you need to do.
But if I have to constantlycall you or remind you to do
something, that just gets undermy skin, right, it's just.
(32:31):
That's one of those things.
And years ago I implemented athing when I show up at a job
site and we, before we walkaround the job site I think I've
mentioned it go get the notepadout of the car.
I want you to write downeverything we talk about,
because if I have to remind youof what we talked about that day
, well, we didn't talk aboutthat.
I guarantee I've got a prettyshort memory.
We did talk about that and blah, blah, blah.
(32:52):
I'm just it's not gonna go well, right, because that's I don't
have it to me.
Pet bees, that's one of them.
So I make everybody rightaround.
I'm like because, as they gettheir note back, I'm like write
that down, write that down.
And then, as I say we didn't,I'm like go look at your notepad
and review the things and thencall me back you know, because
we did talk about it.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
And I have a copy on my phone.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
So I don't know, I just, you know, it's just.
That's one of those things Ihate repeating myself, and I
know I'm not alone on that,right, because that's, you know,
if you're maximizing your time,I'm relying on you as one of my
managers, to get the thingsdone.
We've talked about it.
It's off my plate.
Take care of it for me, right,because I've delegated that to
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you and you know if I have toconstantly be reminding you,
well, it's back on my plate andthat's as a leader, that's what
you don't want to get is wherethings are coming back to you.
That's sort of one of thethings we teach.
A lot of the mistake leadersmake sometimes is they'll
delegate it and they go okay,let me check into that, and then
they put it back on their plate.
Well, no, why don't you checkon that?
Let me know what you find outis delegating upon the
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delegation that you gave them.
But a lot of people take backthe delegation going well, let
me check on that.
And from a leader, from a timemanagement, from a delegation,
it's the wrong way to do it.
You have assigned it.
Now have them come up with thesolutions and then talk to you
about the solution.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, and I want to talk to you on Friday about what
you found out, right?
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, that's exactly right, all right, wonderful.
Well, it is football season.
Oh yeah, football season it is.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I mean it's coming down to the end of the season,
here it is.
My goodness.
So I have a joke about sports.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
A sports joke?
Yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Why did the stadium get hot after the game?
Why did the stadium get hot?
Should I?
Speaker 1 (34:53):
just go ahead and do it now.
Yeah, you just do it.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yeah, no, it's going to be a groaner.
I can tell you that.
Why did the stadium get hotafter?
Speaker 1 (35:02):
the game?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Because all the fans left.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Wah, wah, wah, wah.
Yes, oh, I was trying to thinkof some football ones that I had
.
You know, what did the footballsay to the punter?
I don't know why are you?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
kicking me out of here.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
I'll give it again right.
Well, here's the thing, here'sthe thing.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Here's the thing it's getting cold.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Dallas-Fort Worth is getting cold, and so, for those
of us who have little hair onthe top, it's very common for us
to wear a hat.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Yes, it is During this time of year, right, right?
Speaker 2 (35:45):
So what did one hat say to the other hat?
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Ooh, one hat to the other hat.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
I do not know, wait here.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I'm going on ahead.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
I'm going to end with that one.
Oh no, I'm going to do one more.
Why did the football coach goto the bank?
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Because he wanted his quarterback.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
There you go, yay, yay.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
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We're friends.
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Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, and just so you know we're talking about it, we
started kidding about it.
We won't be in here onChristmas Eve.
We might be a day or two earlyon our show, so we won't be live
.
So don't send us any directmessaging.
We won't get them because asmuch as we love you.
We're not going to be sittingin the studio.
We don't even want you topretend that we're in the studio
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But that being said, send ussome dad jokes for the New
Year's Eve show because that'simportant right and we'll tell
you next week what that's about.
Other than that, guys, thank youfor joining us.
As always, subscribe, hang outwith us.
And anything else other thanthat I'll have Dr.
P, take us out All right, makeit a great day.
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Make it a great day, talk toyou.
uh-huh now, yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on, come on.
You didn't know I was gonnalook at you welcome, welcome,
(00:37):
welcome, welcome, tim.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
How you doing there, brother?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
he was sitting there practicing right before the show
.
He was getting his welcome,welcome, welcome all set up.
I threw him off when.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I just looked at him, he just looked at me across the
studio and was like oh, I'msupposed to say something.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Hey everybody, Welcome to another exciting
episode of the BiblicalLeadership Show.
My name is Tim Lansford andwith me is the Dr Dean Posey.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
How are?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
we doing today.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Oh my gosh, it's an exciting day Today is the 17th
of.
December.
It's my wife's and my 47thanniversary yeah we got married
in the second grade.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I was very safe.
I was trying to do the math onthat.
We met in kindergarten.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
We got, you know, had to talk to our parents to get
married in second grade.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So you know Well, I mean you know those things were
acceptable.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yes, Whatever, so it's good.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
That's a long time, 47 years.
My goodness, that's prettyimpressive it was impressive,
yeah, Well happy anniversary.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
We actually met the day before classes started our
freshman year at BaylorUniversity and we didn't date
while we were at Baylor.
We dated after she left Baylorto go to physical therapy school
at the medical school inMemphis and we started dating.
And so then I was finishing upBaylor, she was in PT school and
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she graduated from PT schoolOne Saturday, we got married the
next, and so that was inDecember of 77.
And so then we went to Floridaon honeymoon and we literally
bought you know, you've seen theCharlie Brown Christmas special
where Charlie Brown buys aCharlie Brown tree.
(02:36):
Yes, well, we went to I think itwas a Rotary Club.
They're selling trees.
We literally went to the RotaryClub thing.
I think we must have paid $10,maybe five, I don't know.
It was literally a CharlieBrown tree and we sat on the
beach and strung popcorn andcranberries.
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That was old school but it surewas fun and we had some
ornaments that someone had givenus and that was our first
Christmas tree.
And you know, and we still havewe don't have the popcorn and
cranberries, obviously, but westill have those little
ornaments and we decorated ourtree on the Saturday of
Thanksgiving and we still putthose ornaments up.
And brings back a lot ofmemories.
So, 47 years.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Well, congratulations , congratulations to the missus
I know she's an avid listener?
Yeah, she is, she is, and so isour kids and, by the wayus, I
know she's an avid listener, sheis.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
And so is our kids and, by the way, I just want to
thank our son, matt, for sendinga dad joke.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
We got a dad joke in there.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
So any of you listeners Please send us dad
jokes, because if you're aregular listener to the show,
you know we need your help andwe do actually get dad jokes
Sent in to us and it's nice whenwe get the family to send us a
little dad joke.
I'm just going to start outwith this one, okay.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
All right, get the buttons ready.
This is a good one.
Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
So our son, his wife, they had a waterbed.
Okay, you know the old schoolwaterbeds.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I do.
I have one forever and ever.
They're awesome, he said this.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Our waterbed was way too firm, and we wanted to make
it softer and bouncier, so theydecided to fill it with spring
water.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Oh, there we go, let's start out the show with
that and that got some groansfrom the family, huh.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, it got some serious groans from the family.
I see why Spring water, springwater, yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I love my waterbed.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I just those were so awesome yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Until it leaked, I had the really good ones Mine
never ever leaked.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Oh, with the baffles in it.
I might never.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Ever with the baffles , yeah, the baffles, and that's
what you know the old, thewaterbed, you know I couldn't
handle the you know the one thatwas crazy, but with the bath
the baffles.
It was just so comfy, justconformed.
Ah, just it was great.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I love it.
When did those come out?
I mean, it's been decades, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I mean someone invented the waterbed, yeah the
kids nowadays have no idea whenare they going to make the
comeback, because everythingcycles in about 20 years, right?
I don't know that's got to becoming back around at some point
.
Maybe I should start out thewaterbeds.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Well, now, everything's memory foam right.
Everything's memory foam.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Well, we can do a memory foam slash waterbed
somehow.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Maybe a waterbed on the bottom and a memory foam on
the top.
Yeah, exactly right Kind of ahybrid.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Hey, if you take our idea and do, it.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Please call me.
I'd love to help you marketthat because.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I really think, everything cycles back it does
and it's the waterbed and memoryfoam idea that might be the
million-dollar idea that we'relooking for.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, yeah, there you go.
So happy anniversary to mybride.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yay, I call her my sunshine.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I love it yeah and appropriate, because today it
just so happens.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I know what a great one that we're talking about
today.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
We're talking about the Song of Solomon or the Song
of Songs.
It's spelled by both names anddepends on your Bible that you
read, but most of the time it'scalled the Song of Solomon.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Right.
So yeah, it's basically a lovestory.
It's a big old love story,isn't it?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
It is a big love story and it's fantastic, Right
there in the middle of the Bible.
Some people say what is thatall about?
Well, it's a story and it couldbe true, but a lot of people
think it's an allegory or a kindof a parable about God's love
for His people or Christ's lovefor the church, and so you read
(06:31):
that, and it's an important partof the Jewish tradition and
part of the Christian traditionto understand how much God loves
His people.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
And so it's a powerful story and I encourage
people.
It's only like eight chapterslong, it's a short book.
Yeah, it's a very short bookbut it's got some powerful
imagery about the power of loveand so I think you know we think
well, what can you learn aboutleadership?
I mean, this is the biblicalleadership show right, right,
(07:07):
yeah, and so what can you learnabout leadership from this book,
this short book that talksabout love between a man and a
woman?
I think you can learn a lot.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
You know it's like okay, so you're the leader, okay
, you could be the leader of asoftball team.
You could be the leader of asoftball team.
You could be the leader of ascout troop.
You could be leader of amultimillion-dollar corporation.
The question is do you care foryour people?
You know, do you care?
Let's just say, a softball team, okay, or a basketball team.
(07:39):
You know we're in footballseason, so you play flag
football.
Okay, so you're the captain ofthe team.
Do you care more about the gameand winning or do you care more
about your people?
Right?
That's a huge question.
You know, and your people willknow, what your priority is Is
it winning or is it the people?
And so that's a huge thing, andwe get it right here from this
(08:03):
book that the power of love isone of the greatest powers, if
not the greatest power in theworld, and so the question is
how does that translate intoyour business?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, and you think about that.
You know, if you're somebodythat ties into the people right
over the winning, and peopleknow that, I mean that's what
breeds loyalty.
You know and trust and that'sone of the things we get out of
corporate you know you want thatloyalty, you want that employee
engagement of your employees,that you know that they're with
(08:38):
you 100%.
You know, and that's you know.
Think back, all of the biblicalleaders, right?
You know there's a lot ofthings that you know.
Let's go wander around for awhile and follow me.
And you know there's a lot oftrust.
You know, over the course, andit's been, you know, said many
times in many different chaptersof Bible, you know, as you know
, some of the different thingsthat we can do.
You know.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Correct.
So two things come to mind whenwe talk about caring for your
people, and that is somethingthat I learned long, long ago
when I was in high school andthat is you have to earn the
right to be heard, and a lot oftimes you earn that right by
caring for people.
And I don't know if it was JohnMaxwell said this first or he
copied it from somebody, butit's a great saying, and that is
(09:20):
people don't care how much youknow until they know how much
you care.
And so I'm going to say thatagain People don't care how much
you know until they know howmuch you care.
And so that is so true inbusiness People.
You know they care about thebottom line, they care about
their paycheck, but they careabout the vision of the company.
But they want to know does myleader, does my boss, does my
(09:44):
manager, does my team leader?
Do they really care about me asa person, as an individual, or
am I just a person that you knowchecks off the task list and
advances the company's businessline bottom line?
You know, do they really careabout the bottom line or do they
really care about the people?
(10:05):
And so that right now you knowwe're coming up on Christmas and
you don't just care for peopleby giving them a bonus at the
end of the year or a present orinviting them to a holiday party
.
No, what do you do during thewhole year to let people know
that you really care about them?
That's a really importantlesson.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, 100%, I think that's, and you tie back and
we're looking at you know, thisbook being a love story, right.
Right, we were really sort ofgoing through sort of
identifying some of the thingsbecause we like to you know this
new series we're taking eachyou know book of the Bible and
going and we're looking at someof the verses and stuff in here
(10:49):
and the one that stood out to uswhen we talked about that was
my Song of Solomon 216, mybeloved is mine and I is him and
it talks about that mutualrespect and commitment that
we're talking about.
How can we tie that in?
Because there's got to be amutual respect about.
How can we tie that in Becausethere's got to be a mutual
respect, Just because you haveto buy into me as a leader, I
have to buy into you as one ofmy employees as far as that,
(11:10):
because that's where that trustis, and if you don't have a
two-way back and forth,ultimately something's going to
go sideways.
Whether you talk about companyor relationships, as the song of
Solomon is, it's just there'sgot to be a two-way trust there.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Correct and the relationship is so crucial.
So let me just say one of thethings that I did in more than
one church, and I didn't learnthis from seminary.
I learned it by making too manymistakes in the early part, but
finally realized what you'resaying, that it's got to be.
(11:47):
You got to focus on the people.
You can't just focus on themission of the church.
The mission of the churchinvolves the people.
So how can I show my care forthe people?
And so what I would do when I'dget to a new church and it just
depend on the size of thechurch how thoroughly I could do
this but most churches, what Iwould do for my first year and I
(12:10):
remember this very, very well Istood up in the pulpit one day
and I said okay, my assistant isgoing to call you at your home,
text you, email you, whatevercontact you, because I would
like to come and just be in yourhome for 30 to 45 minutes.
I have no agenda except just toget to know you, that's it.
(12:32):
And so I want to make twovisits every Sunday afternoon.
We're going to have a calendar.
It might not be every Sundaybecause holidays and everything
like that, but every Sunday thatI can, I'm going to visit two
families in the afternoon.
I tell you that paid dividendsfor years and years and years,
(12:54):
because it's just buildingrelationships.
Now here's the mistake I madewhen I said that, because I said
it off the cuff.
At the very end, I said now theonly thing I ask is that if you
want to do it, you do it, but Iwant you to have dessert ready
when I come.
Oh, I said no, I'm just joking,I'm just joking about the
dessert.
Well, no, the people were notjoking about the dessert.
(13:16):
I ate so much dessert in thatyear it was like incredibly good
, but the people were very, verygenerous about it.
But the thing about it is itwas investing in the people, you
know, and it took the time.
And so the question is how big apriority is that for you as a
(13:37):
leader?
Are you investing with yourpeople?
Maybe you don't have timeduring softball practice talking
, okay, are you going to havecoffee with them?
Are you going to eat breakfastwith them?
Are you going to have lunchwith them?
Are you going to do somethingwith the family?
What are you doing outside ofthe business hours to build
relationships with your peopleand the bigger the church, then
(13:59):
it's like, okay, I had to dothat with the staff.
I couldn't do it with the wholecongregation, so I did it maybe
with the staff and maybe theleaders of the church or the
administrative council orsomething like that.
Those were the relationships Ifocused on, and so the question
is, if the bigger theorganization?
But the principle is the same,and that is is do you focus on
(14:19):
people and your mission or doyou just focus on the mission?
you know, and which one's first,and your people know.
They know from your words andwe talked about this before the
show the words that you say, thetone of voice that you use, the
body language that you use.
Are you uplifting people?
(14:40):
Are you encouraging people?
Are you discouraging people?
You know that is so, soimportant.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yeah, 100%.
And you know there's a lot oflessons to be learned and we
talked about some differentthings in this Song of Solomons
or Song of Songs, and one of thethings that we sort of talked
about the next one that welooked at is, you know, speak
with transparency andvulnerability.
(15:09):
If you look at Song of Solomon5-6, I opened for my beloved and
my beloved had left.
He was gone.
My heart sank at his departure.
Now in this book there's a lotof missions.
This first part of Solomon islike.
Every time she woke up theywere together and then he left
right, he's gone.
(15:30):
I was trying to figure that oneout right, and that was the
reoccurring theme of the firstpart of this.
Is there a backstory on this oris there a theory on this?
I'm just curious.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Well, the thing about it is, if you just read the
book, if you just read it fromfront to back, and you can
probably sit down and read it in20 minutes okay, maybe 25, but
if you just read it, you'regoing to maybe be confused
because you won't understandwhat is this about.
What is this love languagebetween this man and this woman?
(16:02):
And then, every so often theymentioned Solomon, and there's
this woman and the shepherd andit's just.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
But they say Solomon wasn't the writer on this right.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
They say that Solomon wasn't the writer.
But Solomon is the one whoreally is accredited for
starting the wisdom literatureof the Jewish tradition, and so
this was written in that vein aspart of the wisdom literature,
and so the people who put hisname in the book the Song of
(16:31):
Solomon are saying this waswritten in the format that
Solomon would say Now, could hehave written it?
Scholars still are undecided.
Did he write this?
It could have been somethingthat he said wrote.
We don't know 100% who theauthor was.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
It could have been Solomon, maybe not but Now, if
you put it in that terms, maybethis is the one that kept
getting away right, you know hehad lots of wives, right.
Maybe this was his true lovethat kept sliding away from him
and he kept waking up, trying toreunite.
I don't know.
I'm trying to be positive.
I'm trying to do a positivespin on this one.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Solomon had 700 wives , yeah you know that was not
good at the end because thewives some of the wives he
married were not of the Jewishfaith, and so they led him
astray from worshiping the trueGod, and that just created all
kinds of problems for him andthe end of his life.
(17:27):
At the beginning he was sofaithful to God.
He was trying to follow in hisfather's you know, king David's
footsteps.
He did incredible things forthe nation you know, built the
temple and those kind of things,was one of the wisest men other
than Jesus who ever lived inhistory of humankind.
Was wealthier beyond belief.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
He had to have 700 wives.
I have one.
And if you're listening, youknow what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
But the guy was brilliant okay, brilliant, so he
could have written this.
He might not have written it,but he's accredited for it.
But the thing about it is, ifyou just read it and you go,
what is this all about?
It's important to read maybe, astudy Bible, get a study Bible
and read some of the backstoryon that so you can understand oh
(18:26):
, this is about this woman andthe shepherd and their love for
one another, and then Solomon atthe end is trying to buy her
love and she says no.
And so it's important tounderstand some of the history
behind it or some of the themesthat you have.
And one of the—if you don't know, you're a listener and you
(18:47):
don't know about the BibleProject, I would just say go to
BibleProjectcom.
They have a short summary ofevery book in the Bible.
That's literally between sixand ten minutes, and it is
incredible those people arebrilliant scholars and artists
how they can visually explainevery book in the Bible.
(19:10):
So I would encourage you to golook at that video it's like
seven minutes long and then readthe book.
It will make so much more senseto understand the dynamic
between the woman and theshepherd and Solomon at the end
and those kind of things.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
No, we're going to take a detour, because that's
what we do.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, we can.
It's our show, so we talkExactly right, not a dad joke.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yet Don't panic.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Don't panic.
Okay, I've got one here.
It's football season, I got afootball joke.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
All right, so you mentioned, we always reference.
King James Version.
But you mentioned the studyBible there, you know, is there
a different way for people thatare new to the Bible?
Is there?
Should I get this Bible, thatBible, should I get a secondary
thing Is there just a thoughtprocess of how to go about it or
do you just sit down and youknow we've talked about
sometimes Old Testament dragsdown, go to the New Testament,
maybe kick back, but give us anidea for people that might be
(20:05):
new to the ministry.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Okay.
So here's the thing.
The King James Version of theBible is incredible.
Okay, it literally changedhistory when it was printed.
But the King James Version iswritten on a 12th grade reading
level and it's Old English.
It's very difficult for somepeople to understand, even if
they're scholars, scholars yeah.
(20:29):
It's hard for them because theydon't speak Old English, they
don't understand the these andthe thous and they can just get
caught up in the language and sothat's frustrating and they
just sometimes just don't wantto read.
So my encouragement is to getsomething that's say less than a
12-degree reading level, maybelike NIV, the ESV, the CEV,
(20:53):
different versions of the Bible,the NRSV, the American Standard
.
They're less, but if you'relooking for a Bible there's so
many apps online now that youcan go and somebody will read
the Bible to you.
If you actually want a book toactually hold in your hands,
then I would encourage you to goto Mardale, go to a Bible
(21:15):
bookstore and just take about 30minutes to an hour and just sit
down and read the same chapters.
Okay, so read like Genesis 1and 2 and Matthew 1 and 2 or
Luke 1 and 2.
You know it's Christmastime.
Read the Christmas story in thebook of Luke, do that in several
(21:37):
versions of the Bible so youmaybe get a King James, and then
you get an NIV or maybe a RSVor NRSV or New King James or
some other American standard orsomething, and just read four,
five, six.
The message is a good place tostart.
Years ago it was the LivingBible.
So I would just say get onethat you enjoy reading, that's
(22:00):
easy for you to read.
Start with that one, okay.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
I got you.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Just start with that one.
Now, there's Bibles that justhave the New Testament.
There's Bibles that have theNew Testament and Psalms and
Proverbs.
There's Bibles, obviously, thathave the whole Bible.
If you're from the Catholictradition, you have the
Apocrypha in there.
So it's just like, what do Iwant?
And then you say, well, I justwant something to read.
Okay, well then, maybe get themessage, get maybe a living
(22:26):
Bible, getting something likethat.
But then if you want toactually like, okay, I want to
read something about these booksbefore I read them, then you
might need to go to a studyBible.
Now, the thing about a studyBible they're normally thicker,
heavier, and that might not beone that you carry to church.
You might just say, that's oneI'm going to read at home.
(22:49):
I'm going to read the notes,I'm going to read the
introductions, I'm going to readthe history.
The author and that's what Iuse at home is a study Bible,
niv study Bible.
I've used it for years.
It's all marked up, you know,because I always learn something
new about it.
But it's fascinating to know,okay, who wrote the book About,
when was it written, what arethe major themes, what is the
(23:11):
outline, and if you understandthat before you even read the
Bible, go to the Bible Projectand listen to the video.
Then it gives you a goodunderstanding of the book before
you actually read.
So then when you read it's notas confusing.
You understand oh, that's whatthe Song of Solomon is over.
Oh, that's what the book ofLamentations is about.
Oh, that's what the book ofLuke is about.
(23:33):
And you can get that.
And then when you read it, itjust makes a lot more sense.
So if you take a little bit oftime to do some homework about
getting the right Bible and thena little bit of homework about
what is this about?
Some background, it'll makereading the Bible so much more
enjoyable for you.
It really will.
And what a great habit to getinto for the first of the year.
(23:56):
People are thinking what is myNew Year's resolution?
The other thing that is reallyincredible there's a lot of
things online, but the Biblerecap.
That program Terri Lee Cobbleshe's a phenomenal lady and you
read the Bible through an entireyear.
You read like five or sixchapters, you read it
chronologically and then she hasa recap for like six minutes
(24:20):
online, explains what you read,and that's a good way to start
New Year's.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Eve.
And what is that Bible recap?
The Bible recap.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah, it's really, really good.
I've done it.
My wife's done it several times.
She came to our church.
Tara Lee came to our church acouple years ago and spoke.
Just an incredible lady.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I watched her on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, she's really, really good, and what a gift
that she has to help people readthe Bible for the first time.
Yeah, it's really good.
So I would say there's so manyresources out now that there
weren't, say, 10, 15 years ago.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
They have a lot of daily devotionals, right.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Online yes, they have online ones.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
They've got I guess I'm signed up one.
It sends you a Bible verseevery morning.
You start your day off with aBible verse, and so there's so
many things out there that youcan do, and I mean, I've got the
Bible on my iPad and my phone,you know, and there's no excuse.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
you know, because a lot of people are like I'm not
carrying this around everywhere,you know, but I mean it's
everywhere now you know, andit's just, it's wherever On my
phone that I have here in myhand.
I probably have.
I don't even know how manydifferent translations I have in
just one app.
So the technology is incredibleand I'd say take advantage of
(25:42):
that, from people's research andtime and investment.
Take advantage of that.
Make it easy for you, becauseif you're going to develop a
habit of reading the Bible, youwant to make it easy.
You don't want to be like, oh,I'm going to join the gym and
three weeks later you stop going.
You want to do it, so it's easyfor you to do.
And I'd say, start out readinga chapter in the Old Testament
(26:04):
chapter every day.
Get in the habit of doing that,because you know it's like.
Our daughter was a teacher fora long time.
She taught Spanish and ateacher's job.
I only taught one year when Iwas in school.
I taught PE.
But the teacher's job is notjust to teach the subject.
I think also a teacher's job isto develop a passion for
(26:28):
learning in their students.
Okay, and so if you can justdevelop a passion for reading
the Bible, what a great giftthat is, and so I just encourage
people to just pick up a Biblethat you can read and start
reading it.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, I think that's great.
That's a long answer to aquestion.
It was no, it was a greatanswer and I think that's.
You know it's again it's ourshow, we go on, but I think it's
important, especially at thistime of year.
You know we're going into.
You know people create newhabits and new things that they
want to do, or they've beenlistening to the show and they
don't know how to get started,or they want to increase in
(27:07):
their faith, and then you know,little things like this just
help a lot of people, because alot of people don't know they
don't have a relationship withsomebody like I consider across.
That's why I brought you to thepodcast.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I got like my personal coach here, right,
that's been doing this for 10 or12 days.
He's only been doing these.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
But I mean, yeah, so it's one of those things.
That's a beautiful thing forpeople to expand their knowledge
.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, I was listening to a podcast the other day
about triathlon training andthis, this woman who was talking
about it she she teaches at theAir Force Academy.
She was in the Air Force.
She talked about habits.
How do we develop habits?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Right.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Okay, and I hadn't finished listening to the whole
podcast.
It was really good and lengthy.
But she said, okay, this isjust an example.
Some people have a kind of athey don't want to floss their
teeth.
Even though and she actuallyused this on the podcast she
said some people don't want tofloss their teeth, so I
(28:12):
encourage them to just floss onetooth.
Just floss one tooth, right,that's all you want to do, just
floss one.
And then they realize, oh, Ican floss one tooth.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I can floss one tooth .
Speaker 2 (28:24):
I can floss one tooth .
Well, then they realize, oh,that was not bad, so then they
just automatically startflossing two or three.
And so sometimes we think,reading the Bible, I got to sit
down and read for an hour.
No, you don't.
Sit down and read for fiveminutes.
Start with baby steps.
Floss one tooth, you know.
Just start simple, make itsimple, and then it gets to be a
(28:46):
habit and you want to get tothe point where you don't feel
like I got it.
No, you want to do it.
You want to do this, notbecause I feel I have to.
I'm guilty if I don't.
No, you want to do that, and Ithink God wants to put that
desire in our hearts.
I think that's one of themessages from the Song of
(29:07):
Solomon is that God has so muchlove for us.
He wants us to experience lovefor Him.
And how can he best do that?
One of the best ways is to readthe Word of God.
It's like a love letter.
You know from the start to theend.
It's God's love letter to ushow much he loves us and how
much he was willing to do for usby sending His Son dying on the
(29:29):
cross and rising from the deadso we can have eternal life.
Wow, what a great love letterthat is that is good and we're
coming up on Christmas, you know, the birth of Christ, you know,
and that's uh.
We're celebrating that nextweek and and so yeah that's good
.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
And we got big time plans coming up for the new year
.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
We're not going to break the news to you yet.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, but don't miss the New Year's Eve show.
It might be the best show ofthe year.
It very well might be.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
It could be All right , so let's just say, if you want
your dad joke on air before theend of the year, because we
only got after today.
We only got two more shows.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
I know.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve.
I know so if you want, sendyour dad jokes in you know
biblicalleadershowcom and sendthem to us.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
And send them quick.
Yeah, send them quick.
Yes, yeah, because okay, yeah,anyway, anyway, so I think we're
done, let's just go Well, here,no, before we go.
No, we got one more thing,because we started a series of
the four things of leadership.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
And.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I want to get to the second one, because we said
we're going to do this in fourweeks.
So tell us what was second onour list and explain what we did
last week, in case people arejust listening today.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah, thank you so much for calling my attention,
because I have that note righthere in front of me.
So this was from Forbesmagazine June 25th of this year,
and it was an article aboutwhat leaders want from the
people they lead.
You know what are the four mainthings that leaders want from
the people they lead.
Last week we talked about that.
They want the people they leadto take accountability for their
(31:05):
own mistakes.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Right, very, very important.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
And why would they want that?
Because it shows integrity andresponsibility and it fosters a
culture of trust.
Okay, so the second one wasthey want people to be proactive
in their follow-up.
If your leader or your boss oryour employer has to keep
nagging you about doingsomething over and over, when
(31:29):
are you going to get that reporton my desk?
When are you going to send youknow, fourth quarter reports are
coming due pretty quick, right?
Profit and loss statements, allthose kind of stuff.
When are you going to get thatreport to me?
You know, when is this going tohappen?
If you keep having to nag anemployee, reminding them if
they're not proactive in doingtheir work, what does that say
(31:50):
about them?
Okay, it basically means I'mgoing to do my own thing, I'm
not going to pay attention toyou, and the leaders want people
who are going to be proactive,doing their responsibilities and
take responsibility to do it,instead of having to be told
time and time again to do theirwork.
So that's number two.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
That's probably one of my.
I don't have too many petpeeves.
I really don't.
I'm pretty easygoing boss.
You know, do your thing I'm.
I'm a big person of empowerment.
I'll give you the you know theleash to go out and do whatever
you need to do.
But if I have to constantlycall you or remind you to do
something, that just gets undermy skin, right, it's just.
(32:31):
That's one of those things.
And years ago I implemented athing when I show up at a job
site and we, before we walkaround the job site I think I've
mentioned it go get the notepadout of the car.
I want you to write downeverything we talk about,
because if I have to remind youof what we talked about that day
, well, we didn't talk aboutthat.
I guarantee I've got a prettyshort memory.
We did talk about that and blah, blah, blah.
(32:52):
I'm just it's not gonna go well, right, because that's I don't
have it to me.
Pet bees, that's one of them.
So I make everybody rightaround.
I'm like because, as they gettheir note back, I'm like write
that down, write that down.
And then, as I say we didn't,I'm like go look at your notepad
and review the things and thencall me back you know, because
we did talk about it.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
And I have a copy on my phone.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
So I don't know, I just, you know, it's just.
That's one of those things Ihate repeating myself, and I
know I'm not alone on that,right, because that's, you know,
if you're maximizing your time,I'm relying on you as one of my
managers, to get the thingsdone.
We've talked about it.
It's off my plate.
Take care of it for me, right,because I've delegated that to
(33:40):
you and you know if I have toconstantly be reminding you,
well, it's back on my plate andthat's as a leader, that's what
you don't want to get is wherethings are coming back to you.
That's sort of one of thethings we teach.
A lot of the mistake leadersmake sometimes is they'll
delegate it and they go okay,let me check into that, and then
they put it back on their plate.
Well, no, why don't you checkon that?
Let me know what you find outis delegating upon the
(34:03):
delegation that you gave them.
But a lot of people take backthe delegation going well, let
me check on that.
And from a leader, from a timemanagement, from a delegation,
it's the wrong way to do it.
You have assigned it.
Now have them come up with thesolutions and then talk to you
about the solution.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, and I want to talk to you on Friday about what
you found out, right?
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, that's exactly right, all right, wonderful.
Well, it is football season.
Oh yeah, football season it is.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I mean it's coming down to the end of the season,
here it is.
My goodness.
So I have a joke about sports.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
A sports joke?
Yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Why did the stadium get hot after the game?
Why did the stadium get hot?
Should I?
Speaker 1 (34:53):
just go ahead and do it now.
Yeah, you just do it.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yeah, no, it's going to be a groaner.
I can tell you that.
Why did the stadium get hotafter?
Speaker 1 (35:02):
the game?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Because all the fans left.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Wah, wah, wah, wah.
Yes, oh, I was trying to thinkof some football ones that I had
.
You know, what did the footballsay to the punter?
I don't know why are you?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
kicking me out of here.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
I'll give it again right.
Well, here's the thing, here'sthe thing.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Here's the thing it's getting cold.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Dallas-Fort Worth is getting cold, and so, for those
of us who have little hair onthe top, it's very common for us
to wear a hat.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Yes, it is During this time of year, right, right?
Speaker 2 (35:45):
So what did one hat say to the other hat?
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Ooh, one hat to the other hat.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
I do not know, wait here.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I'm going on ahead.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
I'm going to end with that one.
Oh no, I'm going to do one more.
Why did the football coach goto the bank?
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Because he wanted his quarterback.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
There you go, yay, yay.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
All right, All righty , guys, Check us out.
Biblicalleadershipshowcom.
Biblicalleadershipshowcom.
Let us know what you want.
You can get dad jokes for us,you know.
Send them over, but we'realways welcome, you know.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yes, we are.
We're friends.
Send them over, but we'realways welcome you know.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yes, we are Family, foe or friend.
Hey next week.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Christmas Eve show Christmas Eve yes.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, and just so you know we're talking about it, we
started kidding about it.
We won't be in here onChristmas Eve.
We might be a day or two earlyon our show, so we won't be live
.
So don't send us any directmessaging.
We won't get them because asmuch as we love you.
We're not going to be sittingin the studio.
We don't even want you topretend that we're in the studio
on Christmas Eve.
(37:02):
But that being said, send ussome dad jokes for the New
Year's Eve show because that'simportant right and we'll tell
you next week what that's about.
Other than that, guys, thank youfor joining us.
As always, subscribe, hang outwith us.
And anything else other thanthat I'll have Dr.
P, take us out All right, makeit a great day.
(37:22):
Make it a great day, talk toyou.
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