January 28, 2025 • 26 mins
Ever wonder what your cat thinks about the cold weather or why sometimes our studio buttons seem to have a mind of their own? Our latest episode of the Biblical Leadership Show kicks off with these quirky musings before diving into the wisdom of minor prophets Nahum and Zephaniah. Discover how these ancient voices offer a masterclass in leadership, teaching us the power of concise and direct communication. We promise you'll leave with insights to enhance your leadership vision by aligning your words with clarity and purpose.
Clear communication can make or break leadership, and we've got the stories to prove it. Using real-life examples and biblical narratives, we explore the strategies for ensuring your message lands as intended. Find out how maintaining a singular vision can prevent chaos in any organization, inspired by the cautionary tale of Nineveh. Plus, we’ll share practical tips on seeking feedback from trusted colleagues to avoid misunderstandings and keep your team unified and focused.
Leadership isn't all serious; humor plays a crucial role in making connections. Drawing parallels from the era of King David and King Solomon, we reflect on leadership focus and the importance of staying true to core values. As societal changes accelerate, it's easy to lose sight of what matters. So we lighten things up with classic dad jokes, including why a spoon might show up at a party dressed as a knife. Visit our website for more community interaction, share your favorite dad jokes, and remember to end your day with a laughter-filled smile.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
uh-huh now, yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on, come on,
all righty welcome.
Welcome, welcome To anotherexciting episode of the Biblical
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Leadership Show.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Hey Tim, how you doing?
Hi there, dr Posey.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
How are you today?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm doing really, really good.
I'm doing really good, but youknow I'm having a problem at
home with our cats.
Yeah, you know this weather,this cold weather is just no.
Dogs don't mind, they'll gooutside.
Cats they don't mind, they donot like the cold weather.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
So you know, I'd like for them to go outside but I
think our cat has a bad case ofcat fever.
Oh boy, oh yeah, let's see,let's just start right off the
bat with a bad dad joke.
Where are your buttons?
Oh, the buttons are not working.
The buttons are not working.
That's fantastic.
That is fantastic.
I did a little rearranging inthe studio and our buttons I
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don't have them lit up here.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I don't know.
That's probably good for me.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Maybe not good for the audience.
Yeah, exactly right, they'renot even working.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
You're pressing them, they're doing nothing I know
there you go Well.
So much for show prep.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
There you go.
I missed the buttons right.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Oh well, I'll have to get the buttons all in place
and ready to go for next show,next show, okay, well, let's
just move on.
So how have you been?
I've been good, good.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Just, you know, it seems like I'm still trying to
get going after the holidays.
I don't know, it seems like I'mstill trying to get going after
the holidays.
I don't know.
As you know, we were talking.
It seems like it's a ramp-upprocess.
It extended a little bit morethis year, you know, into the
mid-January.
You know I came off a vacationand I got a little crud and it
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was like down, and then it waslike playing catch-up, and now
it's going into the end ofJanuary.
It's crazy, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
It is crazy and you know the sickness, the flu or
something's going around, andthen you know you had all that
mess in the southern part of theUnited States with snow on the
beach.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Right.
Oh, my goodness, I know it'scrazy.
It would be crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
There might have been a snowman on the beach there
was, people were.
It would be crazy.
There might have been a snowmanon the beach, there was.
People were doing snow angelson the beach right, and it is
cool.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, once in a lifetime yeah, I was watching
those videos last weekend.
It was amazing that they hadthose right yes, and we lived in
Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
That's where I went to seminary and it's so many
hills in Atlanta and all thetraffic I can't imagine with
that ice and snow.
People just had to shut down.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
They don't even have a clue.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
You know no, unless there's some transplants living
there.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
That probably got out .
You know a handful of people.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
But I mean that was a substantial amount of snow in.
Houston and all that stuff.
It was pretty amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
But here in Texas, you know, and in our neck of the
woods up here we didn't getmuch, so we just got some cold
weather, but we're all warm andstuff now we're getting warm.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You know it's about freezing, it's good.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
But anyway, we're going to talk about some stuff
today we're going to talk aboutthis biblical leadership show
stuff right.
Yes, we're going to talk aboutit.
We just need a show aboutnothing.
We need to go back to theSeinfeld days and do a show
about nothing, right?
Wonder how that would work.
Right, what's our show aboutnothing?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
It's about nothing.
Well, it is about something.
Today, we're still continuingour leadership lessons from the
books of the.
Bible and today we're talkingabout two of the minor prophets.
So before we get to Nahum andZephaniah, let's just talk about
the difference between a majorand a minor prophet.
So in the Old Testament youactually have 17 prophets, five
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major prophets and 12 minorprophets, and the difference
basically is the length of thebook.
It's not about the content ofthe message or anything like
that, it's the length of themessage.
So there's five major ones and12 minor ones, and today we're
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talking about two of the minorprophets.
There's some similar themes,even though they were spread
apart by a number of years.
There's similar themes in thosetwo books of Nahum and
Zephaniah and so we're going tofocus on that and we hope that
people can learn, take somevaluable insights from these
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books about their leadershipstyle and their leadership
priorities here this year.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
That's awesome.
I'm excited Now.
These books were very short,right, very, very short, very
very short, and I guess that's.
You know, as you said, that'sthe minor profit thing, part of
the minor profit, but I mean we,you know I.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Short but powerful.
Short but powerful, right, yeah, you know.
Short and direct to the point.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And they were sort of overlapping in a way, or
similar in a way.
How about similar?
Well, similar.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
They have similar themes and that is, you know
there's going to be somedestruction coming to the
country and their focus was toturn the country back towards
God.
But let's just focus on whatyou just said, short and to the
point.
I think that's a quality of agood leader.
Is sometimes leaders beataround the bush.
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Now I'm not saying be so bluntthat it just comes across as
callous.
But when we're in a staffmeeting or we're trying to put
out a memo, we need to be clear.
So it's not easily I mean, it'snot misunderstood.
And sometimes you get thesememos that are like two pages
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long and you're thinking whatare they really saying?
It could be said in like two orthree sentences, be said in
like two or three sentences.
And so to me I mean that's askill, because you don't want to
ramble, you don't want to dothat, and so, and here in these
two prophets and in the minorprophets I'm not saying any of
the prophets ramble, but theseprophets they had a couple of
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chapters.
They got right to the point.
There is one God.
You've all turned from it.
You need to turn back or thisdestruction is going to happen.
And they never left it.
With the destruction.
There's always hope at the endof the book, but I think the
point that is good before weeven get into the content, was a
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great leadership lesson as faras how, when you're
communicating to your staff oryou're putting a memo out to
your company or whatever, is ita long one or is it kind of
directing to the point, so everyword matters.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
It does.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Whether you use adjectives, adverbs, whatever,
every word matters and you wantto be able to communicate your
message clear and concise sothat people understand it.
There's no misunderstanding.
But you don't have to be roughabout it, you don't have to be.
You can be compassionate aboutit, you can be gentle, but you
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can not be so wordy.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, and I think that's one of the things that I
teach in leadership.
A lot is just if you can not beso wordy, yeah, and I think
that's one of the things that Iteach in leadership.
A lot is just if you can say,if you can get your point across
in fewer words and doesn't looklike you're rambling on, you're
a more powerful communicator.
People are going to have theperception that you're a more
powerful leader than if you'rejust rambling, because as you
ramble, it feels like thatyou're trying to fill in or you
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don't know and you're you'reindecisive and and uh, I've
always been.
I've worked with many of mycoaching clients just to try to
cut down the amount of words,cause I have some very detailed
people that you know like.
Like my wife, she tells verylong stories, right, but I mean
you had to work with her to toher emails.
I'm like no, we can say that inone paragraph, not five
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paragraphs you know, and.
I just come across.
You know much more powerful andeven you know we're talking
about the English.
You know, one of the things Itaught this the last week was
about punching, you know,emphasis on a word.
I can say the same sentence and, depending on the word that I
put the punch emphasis on, thewhole sentence can read totally
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different.
Right, sort of like I didn't goto the store.
It's a planned statementinstead of I didn't didn't go to
the store or I didn't go to thestore, whatever word you put
that emphasis on is going toreally stand out.
So if you're doing reviews orcommunication or meetings or
something, you got to be carefulof the words that you're
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punching, because you can takean ordinary sentence and it can
read five different waysdepending on every word that you
punch in that sentence.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, and so one of the things that might be helpful
if you have an administrativeassistant or just someone that
you really trust in yourorganization, if you're putting
out a memo or you're going tosay something at staff meeting,
why don't you just take thatperson aside maybe a day before
and say this is what I'mthinking about saying.
What does that say to you?
How do you interpret it?
And if they're interpreting itlike, oh, I didn't realize that
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that's what's coming across inmy message, why are you yelling
at me?
That's exactly right.
Am I fired?
What?
Oh, I'm losing my job tomorrow.
So it's important to think justbecause you're saying it,
that's not what people arehearing.
Right, you want to be able tomake sure that people are
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hearing what you're saying,because if they're not, it's
confusing.
And if you have a, let's justsay you have a team of 10 people
on your staff and you have amarketing person, you have an
accounting person, you have areceiving person, a you know
whatever, and they hear you sayit, but they all get a different
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message then it just createschaos.
So you got to be sure that andyou could ask them okay, what
does this mean?
You put out the memo, or yousay in a staff meeting, or
whatever, what does that mean?
What did you hear me say?
And make sure, yes, that'sexactly what I was trying to say
, that's exactly.
Oh, no, that's not what I wassaying.
This is what I'm trying to say,oh, okay, so you want to be
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sure that it's very clear andthese two prophets, it's a very
clear message.
You know, hey, speaking to theNorthern Kingdom, to the
Southern Kingdom, you knowyou've turned away from the one
true God.
You need to turn back, ordestruction's coming.
And they didn't turn back,destruction came, and it was a
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tragic part of Jewish history,just a tragic part.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, so I like it.
Yeah.
So, thinking about that, Ithink one of the things we can
get from both of these prophetsis that vision and mission were
like okay, let's turn back tothe fact that we have one God.
We don't have a bunch of gods.
We don't worship one person,one God in the temple and then
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another God in our daily lives.
We worship one God all the time, and so just think about that
from a leadership point of view.
You don't have more than onevision.
You have one vision.
Make sure everybody has it.
You have a vision on Monday,it's the same vision on Friday,
it's the same vision in youremails, the same vision in your
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marketing.
Everything is the same andmaking sure everybody's on board
with that.
And sometimes we run intosituations where not everybody's
on board with that.
And that's exactly what we readin the Old Testament.
Not everybody was agreeing withthat, especially some of the
leaders, or lots of leaders, andit just created chaos in the
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country and downfall of thenation.
So just tragic.
When not everybody's on thesame page, it does create chaos
in the organization.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Right, so the similarness of these stories,
right, Nineveh.
One of them was about Ninevehand the other one was they
didn't really say it, but theyhinted right, correct?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Is that the way I interpret it?
So in Nahum it's about Now.
Just think about this.
He's talking about Nineveh, thedestruction of Nineveh.
Well, let's go back maybe 100years from this particular
prophet and go back to a podcastthat we had several weeks ago
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about Jonah.
So, if you remember and if not,go read the book of Jonah.
It's a very short book, but hewas challenged by God, invited
by God, to go to the city ofNineveh and preach repentance.
He didn't want to do it, so heran away from God, got swallowed
by a whale and then the whalekicked him out on the shore.
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He went to Nineveh, he preachedand the whole city repented.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
They did right.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
The whole city repented and it was a large,
large city.
Well, here we have, maybe 100years later, and the city has
turned.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Returned to their wickedness right Returned to the
way where they were.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
And so now Nahum is coming in and saying hey, you're
gonna fall.
You know, you repented you weredoing great, you didn't keep it
up, and so now you're facing theconsequences of those decisions
, and that eventually happened.
The Babylonians came in andconquered the Assyrians and
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destroyed Nineveh, and so Ithink the message that I got
from that, from a leadershippoint of view, is we need to
keep constantly focused on thevision, on the mission.
We can constantly focus onthose two things, because it's
so easy if we're not focused onthat, reminded of that, held
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accountable for it.
It's easy to turn away fromthat.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yeah, I sort of get that too, that through that
God's justice he's sort ofsaying that no empire is above
accountability.
We're going to hold youaccountable, we told you, and
then you went backwards, andthen we're going to hold you
accountable for your actions,and that's why the fall and the
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violence and all that stuff hasto take hold and be rid.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah, and just think about that with an organization.
It could be a mom-and-poprestaurant, it could be a
corporation, whatever it may be,that just doesn't stay focused
on their main mission and overtime it might happen instantly,
but over time it begins todeteriorate.
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You start making bad decisionsand then it's like the domino
effect it just keeps happeningand happening, and happening.
That's exactly what happenedwith the people of Nineveh, and
it was the leaders who causedthat tragically.
And so there's so muchdependent upon good leadership
and the people of Nineveh.
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They had repented.
A hundred years later they wereback to the way they were, and
so obviously it didn't take ahundred years.
But for this instance, it isFor your company.
How long does it take for youto get off track if you don't
focus on what you're all about?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
It doesn't take long.
It doesn't take long at all.
So, yeah, 100%.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah.
So, for example, I mean, you'rein a construction business, you
build amazing.
Oh my gosh, I am.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I forgot this week.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
So I mean, but if you started to think, you know what
?
I think we want to startselling motorcycles, Do you know
?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
selling motorcycles, do you know?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Sounds like a great idea, you got a great idea, but
if you started doing that, yourconstruction business eventually
going to just collapse becauseyou've moved away from your
purpose, your vision and so Ithink that's part of a good
leader keeps focus on themission.
What's the vision?
What's the mission?
What do we hear about?
You know?
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
And the next one, zephaniah.
They talk about, you know, sortof similar stuff, repentance
and warning of God's judgmentcoming.
You know and knowing it's theday of the Lord and it's a major
theme as well.
You know it talks about.
You know some of the differentthings and coming out and
helping the oppressed as well,right.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Correct and the difference between these two.
The message was very, verysimilar, but they're talking
about two different parts of thecountry, so in Nahum they're
talking about the NorthernKingdom, and then in Zephaniah
they're talking about thesouthern kingdom, and so Nahum
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is talking about the northernkingdom, the Assyrians they were
conquered by the Babylonians,and then the Babylonians
conquered Jerusalem in 586 BC,tore the city apart, took a
bunch of people into exile, andso we see that similar message,
similar focus to say, hey, goback to the one true God, go
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back.
And if we actually look athistory from the time of King
David, then you had his son,king Solomon.
The real problem started withKing Solomon.
I mean, he was an incrediblywise person, very wise person,
but he was led astray to notjust worship the one true God of
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his father, david and hisancestors.
He started worshiping othergods and then, when he died, the
kingdom split into the NorthernKingdom and Southern Kingdom
and over time it just snowballeduntil they finally were so far
away from the one true God thatthe kingdoms just collapsed.
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They were conquered by othercountries, and so it's just a
tragic story that took hundredsof years to happen.
But I think the message is soprofound that leadership is so
important to stay focused onwhat you're about.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
And I don't think it was everybody, right, I mean,
because a lot of people wereoppressed, right, yes, exactly
right.
It was more the leaders and thekings and that upper echelon of
stuff that was going throughand keeping the people down.
You know, and it's just one ofthe things that you know had to
be, you know they have to haveaccountability.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Correct, and so there was still in both the northern
and southern kingdom.
There was the poor, theoppressed, the widows that were
being ignored, and that was partof the prophet's thing is
saying hey, you have forgottenyour very own people.
You're so focused on yourselfthat you have forgotten your
people, and so I think it's.
Another good leadership lessonis that we need to make sure
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that everybody in theorganization knows how important
they are, that we don't forgetsomebody.
You know the person that cleansthe toilets in your organization
needs to not just be forgotten.
You know, oh, that's Joey.
You know we don't have to worryabout Joey.
No, you need to worry aboutJoey.
You know he's a person, he'simportant to the organization.
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He might not be doing the samejob as your vice president, but
everybody's important.
And I think they lost thatmessage in that country and over
time it just caught up withthem and you know they paid the
consequences for it.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
I mean, it's sort of like that groupthink.
You know, as you groupthink youget more and more people
involved in stuff and it justblossoms, especially over 100
years.
You know, Think of how much haschanged in our country over the
last 100 years.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Oh my goodness, just night and day country over the
last hundred years.
Just night and day.
Just think of the.
Yeah, just so much has happenedsince 1925.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, yeah, wow, I've talked to a few people that
were, you know, older, you know,and and and had conversations
like man, that's just amazingwhat you said, cause I mean our
lives, I mean what we've seen,but I mean a full, you know,
full hundred years.
That's a huge difference, youknow.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yes yes, and so you have that.
And just think, you know, kingDavid, we're talking maybe 400
years later.
Well, that's the age of ourcountry.
You know, we're a young countrycompared to other countries in
the world, and so over timethings happen and you get
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distracted.
But it can happen in a matterof a year or two.
In a business it can.
You don't know about theeconomy, you don't know about
interest rates, you don't knowabout your ability to borrow
money or whatever, and you'vegot to be sharp and stay focused
.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Speaking of sharp, yeah, I was going to say I think
at this point we probablyshould just roll into some dad
jokes Okay here's what I wasjust about to say but see, your
buttons are not working, so Ihave, so free reign right now.
And I don't want to touch itbecause I'll take the system
down or something by trying tofigure out what button I need to
get my.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
So if we go dark, it's not on you so.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I'm not even going to touch them.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I'll do it myself, right.
Okay, speaking of sharp, whydid the spoon come to the party
dressed as a knife?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Because he didn't.
I can't say it.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
No, don't say it.
Oh, you're almost laughing.
I wish y'all could see this.
Tim's almost on the floor.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
He's laughing so hard .
Well, I'll just say it Okay,let's just move on.
Oh, my construction side justalmost came out there.
No, let's don't go there.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Okay, because the invitation said to come sharp.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I like my answer better, bum-bum-bum.
Yeah, I like my answer betteryeah we'll skip your answer
until we're off the air.
Oh my gosh, what's a pirate'sfavorite letter?
You would think it's R, butit's really C.
They truly love.
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Oh yeah, wow, but it's really Cthey truly love, wow, wow wow,
you understand if you haven'tbeen listening to the last
couple of shows.
Dr Posey got this dad joke.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
You know calendar and 365 dad jokes I do and I just
say my kid.
So he's over here pulling pagesoff of all the ones he used.
So he doesn't like this dadjoke.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
You know calendar and 365 dad jokes I do.
So he's over here pulling pagesoff of all the ones he used.
So he doesn't like right.
So he's over here looking atthem and going through them.
So it's pretty exciting.
He's got, you know, like fivepages laid out.
He's got this whole wallplastered with dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I should just put them on the whiteboard.
Yeah, you can put them on thewhiteboard.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I got the whiteboard all up there for you, so we just
need to write a whole bunch out.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yes, I think that would be awesome and you can
magnetic right there and keepthem right there.
I think that would be soawesome and when we get the
video going we could just showand just scroll through them.
That would be so good.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Uh-huh, I like it.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
What?
So?
You know I've been trying todecide whether to grow a beard
or not.
You know, sometimes that's cooland you know I really tried to
grow a beard early in life.
It just didn't work.
I mean, I didn't start actuallyhaving to shave until I was
like in college.
So I thought, well, maybe I'lljust let it grow on me.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Ba-dum-bum-ch bam.
I'd have to have got you thebutton on that one that was a
bad one what's the best way towatch a fly fishing tournament?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
go sit in the stream live stream hey, I almost got it
.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Alright, give us one more and we'll get the people
out of here.
Yeah, why?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
not Okay, so I've always tried to go the extra
mile.
With every job I work Turns outmy Uber customers don't
appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Bun bun bun One more.
Why don't appreciate it Onemore?
Why don't eggs tell jokes?
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Why don't eggs tell jokes?
Because they're too hard tocrack.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
They would crack each other up.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Oh close.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Nice, Pretty good.
I'm close.
I do the applause button.
You got it All right.
Well, we appreciate you hangingout with us today.
Come back and talk to us nextweek.
Yeah, what you got.
I just got one more.
Oh my gosh.
Yes, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
So you know, sometimes I listen to like
orchestra music.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Right.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Or you know, sometimes you go to the Bass
Hall and listen to the orchestra.
So well, I heard there was afight between the trombone and
the flute.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I don't know this one .
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Well, I bet the flute would win.
Alright check us out.
Speak (25:43):
Biblicalleadershipshowcom .
They're logging off at thispoint anyway.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
They're in off at this point anyway.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, they have already lost.
They're in the gym working out,going.
Okay, next exercise.
Hey, check us outbiblicalleadershipshowcom.
Send us prayer requests, sendus some good dad jokes as we
always ask.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
We do have people send us some good dad jokes I
get some good ones from myfamily.
You do get some good ones frommy family.
You do get some good ones fromyour family Like this one.
What do you call a mouse thatswears?
I don't know A cursor.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Nice, I'd give you some applause on that one.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I like that one.
Let's go out with that.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
That's a good one to go out on.
Check us outBiblicalLeadershipShowcom Tim
Lance for Dr Dean Posey and takeus out.
Make it a great day.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Thank you guys.
uh-huh now, yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on, come on,
all righty welcome.
Welcome, welcome To anotherexciting episode of the Biblical
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Leadership Show.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Hey Tim, how you doing?
Hi there, dr Posey.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
How are you today?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm doing really, really good.
I'm doing really good, but youknow I'm having a problem at
home with our cats.
Yeah, you know this weather,this cold weather is just no.
Dogs don't mind, they'll gooutside.
Cats they don't mind, they donot like the cold weather.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
So you know, I'd like for them to go outside but I
think our cat has a bad case ofcat fever.
Oh boy, oh yeah, let's see,let's just start right off the
bat with a bad dad joke.
Where are your buttons?
Oh, the buttons are not working.
The buttons are not working.
That's fantastic.
That is fantastic.
I did a little rearranging inthe studio and our buttons I
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don't have them lit up here.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I don't know.
That's probably good for me.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Maybe not good for the audience.
Yeah, exactly right, they'renot even working.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
You're pressing them, they're doing nothing I know
there you go Well.
So much for show prep.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
There you go.
I missed the buttons right.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Oh well, I'll have to get the buttons all in place
and ready to go for next show,next show, okay, well, let's
just move on.
So how have you been?
I've been good, good.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Just, you know, it seems like I'm still trying to
get going after the holidays.
I don't know, it seems like I'mstill trying to get going after
the holidays.
I don't know.
As you know, we were talking.
It seems like it's a ramp-upprocess.
It extended a little bit morethis year, you know, into the
mid-January.
You know I came off a vacationand I got a little crud and it
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was like down, and then it waslike playing catch-up, and now
it's going into the end ofJanuary.
It's crazy, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
It is crazy and you know the sickness, the flu or
something's going around, andthen you know you had all that
mess in the southern part of theUnited States with snow on the
beach.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Right.
Oh, my goodness, I know it'scrazy.
It would be crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
There might have been a snowman on the beach there
was, people were.
It would be crazy.
There might have been a snowmanon the beach, there was.
People were doing snow angelson the beach right, and it is
cool.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, once in a lifetime yeah, I was watching
those videos last weekend.
It was amazing that they hadthose right yes, and we lived in
Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
That's where I went to seminary and it's so many
hills in Atlanta and all thetraffic I can't imagine with
that ice and snow.
People just had to shut down.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
They don't even have a clue.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
You know no, unless there's some transplants living
there.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
That probably got out .
You know a handful of people.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
But I mean that was a substantial amount of snow in.
Houston and all that stuff.
It was pretty amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
But here in Texas, you know, and in our neck of the
woods up here we didn't getmuch, so we just got some cold
weather, but we're all warm andstuff now we're getting warm.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You know it's about freezing, it's good.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
But anyway, we're going to talk about some stuff
today we're going to talk aboutthis biblical leadership show
stuff right.
Yes, we're going to talk aboutit.
We just need a show aboutnothing.
We need to go back to theSeinfeld days and do a show
about nothing, right?
Wonder how that would work.
Right, what's our show aboutnothing?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
It's about nothing.
Well, it is about something.
Today, we're still continuingour leadership lessons from the
books of the.
Bible and today we're talkingabout two of the minor prophets.
So before we get to Nahum andZephaniah, let's just talk about
the difference between a majorand a minor prophet.
So in the Old Testament youactually have 17 prophets, five
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major prophets and 12 minorprophets, and the difference
basically is the length of thebook.
It's not about the content ofthe message or anything like
that, it's the length of themessage.
So there's five major ones and12 minor ones, and today we're
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talking about two of the minorprophets.
There's some similar themes,even though they were spread
apart by a number of years.
There's similar themes in thosetwo books of Nahum and
Zephaniah and so we're going tofocus on that and we hope that
people can learn, take somevaluable insights from these
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books about their leadershipstyle and their leadership
priorities here this year.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
That's awesome.
I'm excited Now.
These books were very short,right, very, very short, very
very short, and I guess that's.
You know, as you said, that'sthe minor profit thing, part of
the minor profit, but I mean we,you know I.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Short but powerful.
Short but powerful, right, yeah, you know.
Short and direct to the point.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And they were sort of overlapping in a way, or
similar in a way.
How about similar?
Well, similar.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
They have similar themes and that is, you know
there's going to be somedestruction coming to the
country and their focus was toturn the country back towards
God.
But let's just focus on whatyou just said, short and to the
point.
I think that's a quality of agood leader.
Is sometimes leaders beataround the bush.
(05:52):
Now I'm not saying be so bluntthat it just comes across as
callous.
But when we're in a staffmeeting or we're trying to put
out a memo, we need to be clear.
So it's not easily I mean, it'snot misunderstood.
And sometimes you get thesememos that are like two pages
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long and you're thinking whatare they really saying?
It could be said in like two orthree sentences, be said in
like two or three sentences.
And so to me I mean that's askill, because you don't want to
ramble, you don't want to dothat, and so, and here in these
two prophets and in the minorprophets I'm not saying any of
the prophets ramble, but theseprophets they had a couple of
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chapters.
They got right to the point.
There is one God.
You've all turned from it.
You need to turn back or thisdestruction is going to happen.
And they never left it.
With the destruction.
There's always hope at the endof the book, but I think the
point that is good before weeven get into the content, was a
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great leadership lesson as faras how, when you're
communicating to your staff oryou're putting a memo out to
your company or whatever, is ita long one or is it kind of
directing to the point, so everyword matters.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
It does.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Whether you use adjectives, adverbs, whatever,
every word matters and you wantto be able to communicate your
message clear and concise sothat people understand it.
There's no misunderstanding.
But you don't have to be roughabout it, you don't have to be.
You can be compassionate aboutit, you can be gentle, but you
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can not be so wordy.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, and I think that's one of the things that I
teach in leadership.
A lot is just if you can not beso wordy, yeah, and I think
that's one of the things that Iteach in leadership.
A lot is just if you can say,if you can get your point across
in fewer words and doesn't looklike you're rambling on, you're
a more powerful communicator.
People are going to have theperception that you're a more
powerful leader than if you'rejust rambling, because as you
ramble, it feels like thatyou're trying to fill in or you
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don't know and you're you'reindecisive and and uh, I've
always been.
I've worked with many of mycoaching clients just to try to
cut down the amount of words,cause I have some very detailed
people that you know like.
Like my wife, she tells verylong stories, right, but I mean
you had to work with her to toher emails.
I'm like no, we can say that inone paragraph, not five
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paragraphs you know, and.
I just come across.
You know much more powerful andeven you know we're talking
about the English.
You know, one of the things Itaught this the last week was
about punching, you know,emphasis on a word.
I can say the same sentence and, depending on the word that I
put the punch emphasis on, thewhole sentence can read totally
(08:47):
different.
Right, sort of like I didn't goto the store.
It's a planned statementinstead of I didn't didn't go to
the store or I didn't go to thestore, whatever word you put
that emphasis on is going toreally stand out.
So if you're doing reviews orcommunication or meetings or
something, you got to be carefulof the words that you're
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punching, because you can takean ordinary sentence and it can
read five different waysdepending on every word that you
punch in that sentence.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, and so one of the things that might be helpful
if you have an administrativeassistant or just someone that
you really trust in yourorganization, if you're putting
out a memo or you're going tosay something at staff meeting,
why don't you just take thatperson aside maybe a day before
and say this is what I'mthinking about saying.
What does that say to you?
How do you interpret it?
And if they're interpreting itlike, oh, I didn't realize that
(09:38):
that's what's coming across inmy message, why are you yelling
at me?
That's exactly right.
Am I fired?
What?
Oh, I'm losing my job tomorrow.
So it's important to think justbecause you're saying it,
that's not what people arehearing.
Right, you want to be able tomake sure that people are
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hearing what you're saying,because if they're not, it's
confusing.
And if you have a, let's justsay you have a team of 10 people
on your staff and you have amarketing person, you have an
accounting person, you have areceiving person, a you know
whatever, and they hear you sayit, but they all get a different
(10:21):
message then it just createschaos.
So you got to be sure that andyou could ask them okay, what
does this mean?
You put out the memo, or yousay in a staff meeting, or
whatever, what does that mean?
What did you hear me say?
And make sure, yes, that'sexactly what I was trying to say
, that's exactly.
Oh, no, that's not what I wassaying.
This is what I'm trying to say,oh, okay, so you want to be
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sure that it's very clear andthese two prophets, it's a very
clear message.
You know, hey, speaking to theNorthern Kingdom, to the
Southern Kingdom, you knowyou've turned away from the one
true God.
You need to turn back, ordestruction's coming.
And they didn't turn back,destruction came, and it was a
(11:04):
tragic part of Jewish history,just a tragic part.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, so I like it.
Yeah.
So, thinking about that, Ithink one of the things we can
get from both of these prophetsis that vision and mission were
like okay, let's turn back tothe fact that we have one God.
We don't have a bunch of gods.
We don't worship one person,one God in the temple and then
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another God in our daily lives.
We worship one God all the time, and so just think about that
from a leadership point of view.
You don't have more than onevision.
You have one vision.
Make sure everybody has it.
You have a vision on Monday,it's the same vision on Friday,
it's the same vision in youremails, the same vision in your
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marketing.
Everything is the same andmaking sure everybody's on board
with that.
And sometimes we run intosituations where not everybody's
on board with that.
And that's exactly what we readin the Old Testament.
Not everybody was agreeing withthat, especially some of the
leaders, or lots of leaders, andit just created chaos in the
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country and downfall of thenation.
So just tragic.
When not everybody's on thesame page, it does create chaos
in the organization.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Right, so the similarness of these stories,
right, Nineveh.
One of them was about Ninevehand the other one was they
didn't really say it, but theyhinted right, correct?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Is that the way I interpret it?
So in Nahum it's about Now.
Just think about this.
He's talking about Nineveh, thedestruction of Nineveh.
Well, let's go back maybe 100years from this particular
prophet and go back to a podcastthat we had several weeks ago
(13:04):
about Jonah.
So, if you remember and if not,go read the book of Jonah.
It's a very short book, but hewas challenged by God, invited
by God, to go to the city ofNineveh and preach repentance.
He didn't want to do it, so heran away from God, got swallowed
by a whale and then the whalekicked him out on the shore.
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He went to Nineveh, he preachedand the whole city repented.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
They did right.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
The whole city repented and it was a large,
large city.
Well, here we have, maybe 100years later, and the city has
turned.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Returned to their wickedness right Returned to the
way where they were.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
And so now Nahum is coming in and saying hey, you're
gonna fall.
You know, you repented you weredoing great, you didn't keep it
up, and so now you're facing theconsequences of those decisions
, and that eventually happened.
The Babylonians came in andconquered the Assyrians and
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destroyed Nineveh, and so Ithink the message that I got
from that, from a leadershippoint of view, is we need to
keep constantly focused on thevision, on the mission.
We can constantly focus onthose two things, because it's
so easy if we're not focused onthat, reminded of that, held
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accountable for it.
It's easy to turn away fromthat.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yeah, I sort of get that too, that through that
God's justice he's sort ofsaying that no empire is above
accountability.
We're going to hold youaccountable, we told you, and
then you went backwards, andthen we're going to hold you
accountable for your actions,and that's why the fall and the
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violence and all that stuff hasto take hold and be rid.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah, and just think about that with an organization.
It could be a mom-and-poprestaurant, it could be a
corporation, whatever it may be,that just doesn't stay focused
on their main mission and overtime it might happen instantly,
but over time it begins todeteriorate.
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You start making bad decisionsand then it's like the domino
effect it just keeps happeningand happening, and happening.
That's exactly what happenedwith the people of Nineveh, and
it was the leaders who causedthat tragically.
And so there's so muchdependent upon good leadership
and the people of Nineveh.
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They had repented.
A hundred years later they wereback to the way they were, and
so obviously it didn't take ahundred years.
But for this instance, it isFor your company.
How long does it take for youto get off track if you don't
focus on what you're all about?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
It doesn't take long.
It doesn't take long at all.
So, yeah, 100%.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah.
So, for example, I mean, you'rein a construction business, you
build amazing.
Oh my gosh, I am.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I forgot this week.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
So I mean, but if you started to think, you know what
?
I think we want to startselling motorcycles, Do you know
?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
selling motorcycles, do you know?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Sounds like a great idea, you got a great idea, but
if you started doing that, yourconstruction business eventually
going to just collapse becauseyou've moved away from your
purpose, your vision and so Ithink that's part of a good
leader keeps focus on themission.
What's the vision?
What's the mission?
What do we hear about?
You know?
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
And the next one, zephaniah.
They talk about, you know, sortof similar stuff, repentance
and warning of God's judgmentcoming.
You know and knowing it's theday of the Lord and it's a major
theme as well.
You know it talks about.
You know some of the differentthings and coming out and
helping the oppressed as well,right.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Correct and the difference between these two.
The message was very, verysimilar, but they're talking
about two different parts of thecountry, so in Nahum they're
talking about the NorthernKingdom, and then in Zephaniah
they're talking about thesouthern kingdom, and so Nahum
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is talking about the northernkingdom, the Assyrians they were
conquered by the Babylonians,and then the Babylonians
conquered Jerusalem in 586 BC,tore the city apart, took a
bunch of people into exile, andso we see that similar message,
similar focus to say, hey, goback to the one true God, go
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back.
And if we actually look athistory from the time of King
David, then you had his son,king Solomon.
The real problem started withKing Solomon.
I mean, he was an incrediblywise person, very wise person,
but he was led astray to notjust worship the one true God of
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his father, david and hisancestors.
He started worshiping othergods and then, when he died, the
kingdom split into the NorthernKingdom and Southern Kingdom
and over time it just snowballeduntil they finally were so far
away from the one true God thatthe kingdoms just collapsed.
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They were conquered by othercountries, and so it's just a
tragic story that took hundredsof years to happen.
But I think the message is soprofound that leadership is so
important to stay focused onwhat you're about.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
And I don't think it was everybody, right, I mean,
because a lot of people wereoppressed, right, yes, exactly
right.
It was more the leaders and thekings and that upper echelon of
stuff that was going throughand keeping the people down.
You know, and it's just one ofthe things that you know had to
be, you know they have to haveaccountability.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Correct, and so there was still in both the northern
and southern kingdom.
There was the poor, theoppressed, the widows that were
being ignored, and that was partof the prophet's thing is
saying hey, you have forgottenyour very own people.
You're so focused on yourselfthat you have forgotten your
people, and so I think it's.
Another good leadership lessonis that we need to make sure
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that everybody in theorganization knows how important
they are, that we don't forgetsomebody.
You know the person that cleansthe toilets in your organization
needs to not just be forgotten.
You know, oh, that's Joey.
You know we don't have to worryabout Joey.
No, you need to worry aboutJoey.
You know he's a person, he'simportant to the organization.
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He might not be doing the samejob as your vice president, but
everybody's important.
And I think they lost thatmessage in that country and over
time it just caught up withthem and you know they paid the
consequences for it.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
I mean, it's sort of like that groupthink.
You know, as you groupthink youget more and more people
involved in stuff and it justblossoms, especially over 100
years.
You know, Think of how much haschanged in our country over the
last 100 years.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Oh my goodness, just night and day country over the
last hundred years.
Just night and day.
Just think of the.
Yeah, just so much has happenedsince 1925.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, yeah, wow, I've talked to a few people that
were, you know, older, you know,and and and had conversations
like man, that's just amazingwhat you said, cause I mean our
lives, I mean what we've seen,but I mean a full, you know,
full hundred years.
That's a huge difference, youknow.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yes yes, and so you have that.
And just think, you know, kingDavid, we're talking maybe 400
years later.
Well, that's the age of ourcountry.
You know, we're a young countrycompared to other countries in
the world, and so over timethings happen and you get
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distracted.
But it can happen in a matterof a year or two.
In a business it can.
You don't know about theeconomy, you don't know about
interest rates, you don't knowabout your ability to borrow
money or whatever, and you'vegot to be sharp and stay focused
.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Speaking of sharp, yeah, I was going to say I think
at this point we probablyshould just roll into some dad
jokes Okay here's what I wasjust about to say but see, your
buttons are not working, so Ihave, so free reign right now.
And I don't want to touch itbecause I'll take the system
down or something by trying tofigure out what button I need to
get my.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
So if we go dark, it's not on you so.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I'm not even going to touch them.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I'll do it myself, right.
Okay, speaking of sharp, whydid the spoon come to the party
dressed as a knife?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Because he didn't.
I can't say it.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
No, don't say it.
Oh, you're almost laughing.
I wish y'all could see this.
Tim's almost on the floor.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
He's laughing so hard .
Well, I'll just say it Okay,let's just move on.
Oh, my construction side justalmost came out there.
No, let's don't go there.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Okay, because the invitation said to come sharp.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I like my answer better, bum-bum-bum.
Yeah, I like my answer betteryeah we'll skip your answer
until we're off the air.
Oh my gosh, what's a pirate'sfavorite letter?
You would think it's R, butit's really C.
They truly love.
(22:44):
Oh yeah, wow, but it's really Cthey truly love, wow, wow wow,
you understand if you haven'tbeen listening to the last
couple of shows.
Dr Posey got this dad joke.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
You know calendar and 365 dad jokes I do and I just
say my kid.
So he's over here pulling pagesoff of all the ones he used.
So he doesn't like this dadjoke.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
You know calendar and 365 dad jokes I do.
So he's over here pulling pagesoff of all the ones he used.
So he doesn't like right.
So he's over here looking atthem and going through them.
So it's pretty exciting.
He's got, you know, like fivepages laid out.
He's got this whole wallplastered with dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I should just put them on the whiteboard.
Yeah, you can put them on thewhiteboard.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I got the whiteboard all up there for you, so we just
need to write a whole bunch out.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yes, I think that would be awesome and you can
magnetic right there and keepthem right there.
I think that would be soawesome and when we get the
video going we could just showand just scroll through them.
That would be so good.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Uh-huh, I like it.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
What?
So?
You know I've been trying todecide whether to grow a beard
or not.
You know, sometimes that's cooland you know I really tried to
grow a beard early in life.
It just didn't work.
I mean, I didn't start actuallyhaving to shave until I was
like in college.
So I thought, well, maybe I'lljust let it grow on me.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Ba-dum-bum-ch bam.
I'd have to have got you thebutton on that one that was a
bad one what's the best way towatch a fly fishing tournament?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
go sit in the stream live stream hey, I almost got it
.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Alright, give us one more and we'll get the people
out of here.
Yeah, why?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
not Okay, so I've always tried to go the extra
mile.
With every job I work Turns outmy Uber customers don't
appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Bun bun bun One more.
Why don't appreciate it Onemore?
Why don't eggs tell jokes?
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Why don't eggs tell jokes?
Because they're too hard tocrack.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
They would crack each other up.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Oh close.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Nice, Pretty good.
I'm close.
I do the applause button.
You got it All right.
Well, we appreciate you hangingout with us today.
Come back and talk to us nextweek.
Yeah, what you got.
I just got one more.
Oh my gosh.
Yes, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
So you know, sometimes I listen to like
orchestra music.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Right.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Or you know, sometimes you go to the Bass
Hall and listen to the orchestra.
So well, I heard there was afight between the trombone and
the flute.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I don't know this one .
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Well, I bet the flute would win.
Alright check us out.
Speak (25:43):
Biblicalleadershipshowcom .
They're logging off at thispoint anyway.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
They're in off at this point anyway.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, they have already lost.
They're in the gym working out,going.
Okay, next exercise.
Hey, check us outbiblicalleadershipshowcom.
Send us prayer requests, sendus some good dad jokes as we
always ask.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
We do have people send us some good dad jokes I
get some good ones from myfamily.
You do get some good ones frommy family.
You do get some good ones fromyour family Like this one.
What do you call a mouse thatswears?
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