October 21, 2025 • 30 mins
The shortest verse in the Bible—"Jesus wept"—reveals one of the most profound leadership principles we can apply today. When faced with the death of his friend Lazarus, Jesus didn't hide his emotions but expressed them authentically. This teaches us that great leaders aren't afraid to show appropriate emotion, creating space for genuine human connection even while maintaining authority.
The story of Lazarus's resurrection demonstrates how exceptional leaders empower their teams. When Jesus arrived at the tomb, he could have single-handedly removed the stone and grave clothes through divine power. Instead, he deliberately invited participation: "Take away the stone," he commanded, involving his disciples in the miracle process. After Lazarus emerged alive, Jesus again delegated: "Take off his grave clothes." This pattern reveals that truly transformative leadership doesn't hoard meaningful tasks but creates opportunities for team members to participate in significant achievements.
Perhaps most powerfully, Jesus saw life where everyone else saw death. After four days—when Jewish tradition held resurrection was impossible—Jesus envisioned possibility beyond apparent limitations. This exemplifies how visionary leaders consistently see potential where others perceive only obstacles, then inspire their teams to embrace this expanded perspective. The aftermath also teaches valuable lessons about managing success: the miracle created both positive momentum and intensified opposition, mirroring how organizational breakthroughs often generate complex consequences requiring strategic navigation.
What leadership situations are you facing where you need to show authentic emotion, empower your team through meaningful delegation, or see possibilities where others see only limitations? Join us next week as we explore Jesus's triumphal entry into Jerusalem and the beginning of his final week of ministry.
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All righty welcome, welcome, welcome, oh, wow, okay.
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Welcome.
How you?
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doing Dr P.
I'm doing great Tim.
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How you doing.
Oh my gosh, I am hanging inthere.
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Hanging in there, gosh.
Yeah, can you believe it?
October.
We're half through October,more than half through.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I know, I know it's crazy, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
So we're still we got like 10 weeks before the dad
joke phenomenon, the end of theyear.
Right, I mean before likeJanuary 1st, we got 10 weeks,
it's crazy to even think aboutthat.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
We better start stocking up on dad jokes now I
am ready.
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Yeah, I am more than ready.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
So our between Christmas and anniversary, our
anniversary show.
There you go.
We do dad jokes the entire timebetween Christmas and next
October.
We do or September no our NewYear's Eve show.
We sort of do pretty much alldad jokes.
We threw a couple things inthere last time.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
We did.
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But not very much.
It was pretty much all dadjokes, Just because I mean we
have to like we're not in thestudio, I'm probably I'm out of
town, You're out of town, orwe're with our kids, yeah, with
kids.
So we have fun, and, boy, wehad a lot of jokes that day.
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So, Dad, you know, you talked last week about the
place that had burgers and smashburgers and dad jokes.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
So maybe we can just have dad jokes and snacks, dad
jokes.
Well, you know, we're going tohave snacks, we're going to have
something going on there.
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Oh, so today we are up to John, chapter 11.
We're in the 22nd week of thebook of John.
But before we get to John,chapter 11 and some dad jokes, I
just want to say that I read anarticle in the news just
yesterday about anarchaeological dig that was
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happening in.
Jerusalem, and it goes back toan event that we talked about a
couple weeks ago on our podcastin John chapter 9, about a man
who was healed by the pool ofSiloam there in Jerusalem, and
the archaeologists have foundwhat they believe is that pool.
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And just an amazing.
The official release of thisdata was only August, the 30th
of this year.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And so very recently, and so we're not going to go
into that.
You can look it up online foryourself.
But the archaeologists saidthat the discovery, they believe
, went back 2,800 years.
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Wow.
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And they could tell that because of the way it was
built, the material that wasused, the mortar that was in the
brick and all that kind ofstuff.
And here's one thing, and thenwe'll just move on, and that is
that if you look at biblicalarchaeology and I was privileged
to go to Israel right after Ifinished with seminary and one
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of the professors that went withus was an archaeologist- oh
nice.
So yeah, we went to Jordan, wewent to Petra, where the Indiana
Jones thing was filmed.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I must become a geologist or archaeologist.
That's what I was going to dobefore I got a football
scholarship and then I went thatdirection, different direction
marketing but I was going to bea geologist or archaeologist.
That's what I wanted to be.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, and it's amazing because what we see in
biblical archaeology, if youlook at anything that's been dug
up from the ground, everysingle time it confirms the
Bible.
There has not been onearchaeological anything found to
disprove the Bible, and I justthink that's phenomenal Over,
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you know, thousands of years.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Thousands of years, yeah.
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And so I just wanted to bring that to our listeners'
attention.
You can do your own research.
And before we get to John,chapter 11, you know we're going
to start off with some dadjokes.
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You think yeah, I think so.
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They're not going to be good ones.
So y'all get ready.
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They're not going to be.
That restaurant that's comingto Frisco is called Dad Jokes
Cheesy Burger.
Oh yeah, that sounds fantasticyeah we're definitely going to
have to do that Can.
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I have a double with an extra dad joke on the side
Exactly right Can.
I have a.
It's one of their dipping.
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Can you make it really cheesy, yeah, really.
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I wonder what their dipping sauces are called Right,
wow, right, that would be great.
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Yeah.
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I bet they have names for all the different things I
would think right, you know yeah.
Yeah, whatever we got to checkthat out.
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We do.
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That'll be fun, Okay.
So the other day my wife,amazing wife Diana, Diana and I
were having a race to see whocould clean the dishes the
fastest.
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I just thought about maybe we should do.
Sorry to interrupt, we got tostart, but maybe we should go
and ask them if we can do a livebroadcast at.
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Dad Jokes Cheesy Burger.
That would be awesome.
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We should do a kickoff party with them and all
that stuff.
So there you go.
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We've been doing this for two years and Dad Jokes is
part of our thing we need tobroadcast from there.
We could do it live we mighthave to so yeah anyway, just
keep going with your dad joke.
That's better than the joke I'mexcited about that I'll have to
work on that.
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Yeah, wow.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Okay, so my wife and I were doing dishes and we had a
race to see who could clean thedishes the fastest.
Okay, yeah.
It was so close that we had tocall it a wash.
I always clean mine with a dishtowel, you know.
Rinse them off.
It's like, oh, that one's notdone, I'll just wipe it down.
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You know, I was talking to mykids the other day and they live
out of state, but you know,sometimes we're on the phone at
the same time, and I said kids.
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if there's one thing I've learned in all my years,
it's that I'm older than youOkay.
I was trying to think if I hadany good ones.
Told my son I was going to buyhim a book on procrastination.
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You can't get around to it yet I am Keep putting it
off, okay.
So how can you win a fightagainst a rock?
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Do not know.
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Paper.
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Oh, my God, Doesn't happen too many, but I'll give
you that one.
That was actually a pretty goodone.
How does I'm going to have totell my kids that one this
afternoon?
How?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
does a taco say grace ?
Don't know, let us pray.
All right, maybe we should getinto the Bible.
We should get into the Bible.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
So we can pick up two more listeners, the ones that
just went.
Let's just drop, exactly, right?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Okay, so I like your idea of being a live broadcast.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I'll have to work on that.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Tell them not to listen to the show before they
make a decision Okay so anyway,john, chapter 11.
Let's just say this this isjust my personal opinion.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
If you look at the first four books of the New
Testament Matthew, mark, lukeand John we've talked about
those, the Synoptic Gospels andJohn a lot of the same stories.
Okay, the book of John, chapter11, is, if you don't look at
the or don't count the birthstory of Jesus in Matthew and
Luke, if you don't look at thestory of the Last Supper, which
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we'll talk about next week, orreally the Palm Sunday, or the
Last Supper, or the crucifixionand resurrection, okay, those
are very, very significant.
John chapter 11 might be themost significant other chapter.
Now you have Luke, chapter 4with the calling of Jesus and
that, but it could be up therein the top three to five most
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significant chapters and storiesin the entire first four books
of the New Testament, and it isthe raising of Lazarus from the
dead, and so let me just giveyou a background if you're not
familiar with that story.
Jesus had some really goodfriends, okay, and these
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particular friends, I mean hehad a lot of good friends, but
these particular friends that hehad two sisters and a brother,
okay, lazarus, and then Mary andMartha.
They lived in a little town ofBethany, which was about two
miles from Jerusalem, and sowhat we see in John 12 is that
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it's Palm Sunday.
So you look at John chapter—thebook of John has 21 chapters.
The first 11 chapters coverthree years of Jesus' public
ministry, from chapter 12 tochapter 21,.
It covers a week of Jesus'ministry.
Okay well yeah, and so, or alittle more, because there's a
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story at the very end aboutafter he was resurrected, but
basically it covers a week, okay, so that last week is very
significant and we're gettinginto that in the next couple
weeks, but this particular storyis like the end of the ministry
before that last week.
So what we read is that Lazarus, jesus' friend, was getting
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sick.
Jesus was not there and Maryand Martha were concerned about
their brother, obviously, andJesus found out that Lazarus was
sick.
And what's interesting is Jesus, normally when he knew someone
was sick, he went immediately tohelp them.
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This time he didn't do that andso he stayed and then he went.
By the time he got to theirhome, lazarus had died.
Well, obviously the sisters aredistraught, they're
grief-stricken.
They both say, hey, if you'dbeen here you wouldn't have died
.
We see that Jesus right here,which to me is a great
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leadership principle.
It's the shortest verse in theBible, two words Jesus wept,
which tells us a lot about theperson and the humanity of Jesus
, that he had really humanemotions.
So let's just stop right thereand talk about the emotional
side of leadership, becauseleaders, everybody has emotions.
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The question is, what do you dowith them and do you show them?
Do you not show them?
Do you swallow them?
Do you only show them tocertain people?
Do you show them in boardmeetings, whatever?
And Jesus was not afraid ofshowing his deep sadness to the
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people that he was around.
And so the question is for thosewho are leaders, this
leadership show.
What do you do with youremotions?
Do you just hide them?
Because there's things thathappen in any organization that
could be frustrating, that couldbe disappointing, that could be
joyous, that could be.
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You're excited about it.
And if you just kind of leveland your people don't know
what's going on in your heart oryour emotions, that's not
always a good thing.
And so the question would behow do you share those?
When do you share those or towhom do you share those?
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Jesus wasn't afraid to sharethose with anybody that was
around, and so I know at somepoint there's times when you
can't do that.
You might share with a smallgroup of people, you might not
share with everybody.
Do that.
You might share with a smallgroup of people, you might not
share with everybody, but youdon't want to just bury your
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emotions and then take it out inyour family at home.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
You've got to have a way to in a positive way or in a
way to filter that, to sharethose and not just swallow them
at your office.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Is there a book or chapter that talks about the
backstory between Jesus andLazarus?
No, there's really not.
We just know that they werefriends and it says that in this
chapter, but it doesn't givethe story as to how that
happened.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Did they grow up together?
Did they bump on in on thetrail?
Yeah, there's not a story aboutthat.
It's a sort of kin of mine.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Yeah.
So if you're watching theChosen, okay, there's a little
bit of backstory about that, butreally that's just their
imagination.
There's really nothing in theScripture that says okay, like
you said, they were next-doorneighbors growing up or their
parents knew each other.
We don't know any of that.
We just know that they werereally, really good friends, so,
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anyway.
So Jesus went to the tomb andhe this is chapters 38, round,
38, 39.
Yeah verse 38,.
He's there, he's at the tomb,and then this is I don't want to
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get into preaching, but this isimportant and so he tells the
disciples to take away the stone.
Now let's just talk about whatthat means.
If you're not familiar withJewish tradition, the graves
back then were not like gravesthey have today, where you
actually put someone in theground.
They would actually dig a holein the side of a mountain like a
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cave, and that would be thegrave, and they would have a,
not just a hole, they would havelike a room and then a shelf
where they'd actually lay thebody.
And then in front of that cavethere would be a little ditch
and they would get a big rockand carve it to make it a little
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bit bigger than the opening ofthe cave and that would be the
door.
And so when Lazarus' body waswrapped in traditional burial
cloths I'm not going to say likea mummy, but similar to that-
and he was placed in the tomband then the stone was rolled
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away.
And so Jesus comes to the tomband he says to the of the tomb,
and he says to the peopledisciples, take away the stone.
Now here's, I think, a very,very good leadership principle.
Okay, jesus did not needanyone's help to take the stone
away.
He could have done it allhimself, but he didn't.
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He chose to not do that, but hedidn't.
He chose to not do that becausehe wanted his disciples to
participate in the miracle.
And so the leadership principlefor me, at least one of them is
how much does the leader feelthey have to do themselves, or
how much are they willing toempower their people to help
with the process of growing thecompany or whatever it is?
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And I know the saying if youwant to have done it right,
you're going to do it yourself,and yes, I've practiced that too
often.
But if you want to grow thecompany, you have to grow your
people.
And in order to grow yourpeople, you have to continually
trust them to do more and moreand more and empower them and
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encourage them and train them.
Jesus, this is like they've beenwith him for three years, and
so they were willing to doanything that he asked and he
said take away the stone.
But he had been.
If they had, you know, this hadhappened at the very beginning
of his ministry and they wouldhave said take away the stone.
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What are you talking about?
Why, why.
But he had been preparing themfor three years and so they said
take away the stone.
We don't see in the scripture.
But they said, why are we doingthis?
They trusted the leader, yeah,but he had also trained them, he
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empowered them, he invested inthem, he believed in them, and
so when he said take away thestone, they just did it.
They did.
The leadership principle aboutthat is that he was promoting a
team effort, okay, and that tome is really really good, yeah,
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okay.
So then he said Lazarus, comeout Now.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
This is a powerful miracle, yeah because he'd been
dead for four days.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
He'd been dead for four days, and so one of the
things about Jewish tradition is, after three days, they felt
the soul of the person hoveredaround the body for three days
just in case they came back tolife.
But after four days that wasgone and there was literally no
possibility of that everhappening.
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And so just think about theleadership principle.
Jesus saw life when everyoneelse saw death.
And so the question for leadersis do you see life when other
people see death?
Do you see possibilities whereother people see obstacles?
Do you see possibilities whereother people see obstacles?
Do you see potential whereother people don't?
I mean, I think good leaderssee things that other people
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don't, and then they inspiretheir people to see what they
see.
And so Jesus had them roll awaythe stone.
They did that.
He said Lazarus, come out.
And the man came back to life,came out, walked out, and then
Jesus said, hey, take off hisgrave clothes.
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And they did the same principle.
Now the guy had been dead forfour days.
So it's like, wow, okay, youknow, but they did.
They took off the grave clothesand Lazarus was living just
like he had never died.
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But again, jesus didn't needany help.
He didn't need any help onEaster Sunday morning to take
off his grave clothes.
He didn't need help then, buthe wanted his followers to
participate in something thatthey would never forget, and so
to me, the same principle istaking away the stone.
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He wanted them to participateand instead of just doing it all
himself.
He wanted them to participateand instead of just doing it all
himself.
he wanted them to participate.
And to me, what a greatleadership principle that Jesus
was willing to say hey, I know Icould do this by myself, but I
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want you to help, I want you toparticipate.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, he delegated all the tasks through the whole
process and that way thedisciples could finish the whole
process together as a team, yes, they could, and to me so, the
teamwork of the leader.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
He delegated this.
They did it.
And to me I'm thinking of allthe things that happened and
there was a lot right thathappened in Jesus' life.
This, to me, would be probablyone of the ones they would never
forget until their last breath.
It's like we took away the stoneand then the guy walked out and
then we took his grave clothes.
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We actually got to touch thisguy.
I mean we didn't just watch it,we helped do it.
I mean we didn't bring him backto life, but we helped Jesus do
this.
And I'm just thinking, wow, ifyou empower your people to do
something that they've neverdone, okay, yeah, go be creative
, come up with a new product,come up with a new logo, do this
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, do that.
Just, you know, just be and doit as a team.
Wow, and you encourage that andyou help promote that.
They're going to just be,they're going to invest more in
you.
So now they have that high,okay.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
And we'll stop here in just a minute with John,
chapter 11, because after thatsome of the Jewish people, they
didn't just want to kill Jesus,they wanted to kill Lazarus,
because he was now testifying toJesus, Because there's a
reaction from that right, therewas a big reaction like what,
what's going down here?
And so, anyway, they're up on ahigh, okay.
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And then in John, chapter 12,there's another high of the Palm
Sunday, which we'll get to thatnext week, and then you have
the last week of his life, andso this was one of the last
miracles, not the last miraclethat Jesus did in his ministry,
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okay, and so it's just verypowerful.
It's only found in the book ofJohn and there's so much, so
much.
And if you think about it, ifthere was some conflict between
him and Jesus and the religiousleader before, this only
increased that.
And so you have to think, ifyou're going to be a leader,
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sometimes you've got to bewilling to stand up to the
conflict of other companies,other teams, other whatever
they're going to just try to putyou down and you just have to
stand strong.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Yeah, and that's what sort of did.
And what happened is throughhis miracle it created momentum
and that momentum was good forJesus.
But it also was bad in thething where the Pharisees sort
of said well, we're not lookedat as highly, now the Romans are
going to come, take our templesand take our nation and some of
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the different things thatbecome very worrisome to them.
And it's a good and badscenario after this whole
miracle.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yes, it is A miracle.
Yes, it is, but it was one ofthe highlights of the whole
ministry of Jesus prior to thePalm Sunday story.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
And it's just a powerful, powerful.
I just want to know the backstory now.
I want to know how they knoweach other.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I don't know, maybe they met as kids.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
I really don't know.
I really don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
So okay, so that's good, john, chapter 11.
I really don't know, I reallydon't know so, okay, so that's
good.
John, chapter 11.
We'll just finish there.
We'll take it up to John,chapter 12.
It starts in verse 12, wherethe Palm Sunday and if you
didn't know what Palm Sunday was, it's when Jesus rode on the
back of a donkey into the cityof Jerusalem.
People were shouting about allof that.
It's the beginning of the lastweek of his life, and so if
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you're not familiar withChristian tradition, the Sunday
before Easter is called PalmSunday, and then that begins
Holy Week, what's known as HolyWeek, and you have Holy Thursday
, you have Good Friday, holySaturday and Easter Sunday, and
we'll get into all of that inthe coming weeks and what's
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going on and we look forward toit.
So maybe we'll finish the bookof John by 2027.
We might.
It's taken us many weeks to getthrough this far and we're
coming at some crucial partscoming up in the next couple of
weeks.
We really are.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
So I'd be curious to see how that works.
But yeah, so great lessons outof there, lots of leadership
lessons, and just make sureyou're empowering your people.
To finish right To go thedistance and don't?
You know?
One of the biggest things aboutempowering, I say, is
empowering means they're ready.
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That means they're ready tostep up and do some of your
tasks for you.
Don't micromanage, don't havecontrols in place if you're
truly trying to empower somebody.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, excellent point .
Excellent point if you're trulytrying to empower somebody.
Yeah, excellent point.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
All right, you know taking it in a different
direction now, I'm sure.
I'm sure it's been 25 minutessince we've had a dad joke Right
, okay, let's go, okay, so.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
I heard the other day that sandwich sales are up in
the capital of India.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Uh-oh, sandwich sales are up in the capital of India.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah, there must be a new deli.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Oh my, I got to give you that one.
I was really trying to thinkabout that.
I'm like what I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
You know, when you go online you say well, Google,
that I don't have anybody.
Normally say Safari that okay,they normally just say Google
that.
So I was reading a news storythe other day that Google
sometimes is a bad influencebecause there was someone was
searching how to become anarsonist and it gave them 50,000
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matches.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Or maybe I should just do that, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah, yeah, maybe you should do that, I got all kinds
of boring ones, right?
Well, let's just hear a boringone.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
What state has the most streets?
You're an avid park going toall the national parks.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
What state has the most streets?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Yes, let's see how good he is.
See, the problem is Dr Pusually knows a lot of my dad
jokes.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Rhode Island Rhode Island, oh, that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
You know, one of the things I've always wanted to do
I just never have done was takeup fencing.
So I decided recently to takeup fencing, but my neighbors
keep asking me to put it back.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I always thought fencing would be so cool.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah, I always thought it would be sort of cool
too.
Yeah, I just never have.
I've never done anything, Ijust think it'd be cool.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
I don't know how good I'd be, but that's not the
point.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
No, that's not the point.
No, just have fun, Just get nothat's not the point.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
No, just have fun.
Yeah, you know, just get a longstick and just you know
whatever those people have suchquick reactions.
Yeah, they do I mean inliterally a split second.
It's unbelievable how fast theycan be.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
It is, you know.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I'm not that fast anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
So, yeah, so let's just a couple of dad jokes to
finish out the show today.
What does coffee say when it'sfeeling sad?
What does?
Speaker 1 (28:26):
coffee, say when it's feeling sad.
I'm craving coffee right nowtoo, so Okay, then you should
get this one, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Pour me, pour me All right, I'll give.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Get this one, I don't know, poor me, poor me.
All right, I'll give that toyou.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Okay, so what do you call a moose?
We were in Alaska this summerand we tried to see a moose.
We never saw a moose.
What do you?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
call a moose with no name.
Somebody's out there going, Iknow this one.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I know this one too.
Why do you not know this one?
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Tim, I do not Anonymous.
Anonymous, sort of like.
What do you call a fibbing cat?
What A lion.
A lion, all right, one more,take us out.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Okay, why did the remote control feel useless?
I do not, because it lostcontrol.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Nice.
All right, check us outbiblicalleadershipshowcom.
We're going to come back nextweek.
It's sort of coming close toour Halloween, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Halloween show.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
To our Halloween Halloween show maybe I'll wear a
costume pirate costume outthere and go in costume next
week.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
See if we can come up with a good costume too bad,
we're not on video, right, westarted out we got a lot of
videos and we're going toprobably get back into videos.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I need to probably get that.
I was going to start that atthe turn of our season here, so
I had it hooked up.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
See, you can see the little cameras and stuff.
I see the little camera there.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
But maybe I'll work on getting the rest of that
hooked up for us and then we canstart broadcasting on it.
Maybe that'll be a kickoff ofour video.
So, anyway, check us outBiblical Leadership Show.
Other than that, we'll see younext week.
Dr P, thanks for having us.
You're making a great night.
Thank you, guys.
uh-huh, now, yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on, come on.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
All righty welcome, welcome, welcome, oh, wow, okay.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Welcome.
How you?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
doing Dr P.
I'm doing great Tim.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
How you doing.
Oh my gosh, I am hanging inthere.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Hanging in there, gosh.
Yeah, can you believe it?
October.
We're half through October,more than half through.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I know, I know it's crazy, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
So we're still we got like 10 weeks before the dad
joke phenomenon, the end of theyear.
Right, I mean before likeJanuary 1st, we got 10 weeks,
it's crazy to even think aboutthat.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
We better start stocking up on dad jokes now I
am ready.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, I am more than ready.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
So our between Christmas and anniversary, our
anniversary show.
There you go.
We do dad jokes the entire timebetween Christmas and next
October.
We do or September no our NewYear's Eve show.
We sort of do pretty much alldad jokes.
We threw a couple things inthere last time.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
We did.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
But not very much.
It was pretty much all dadjokes, Just because I mean we
have to like we're not in thestudio, I'm probably I'm out of
town, You're out of town, orwe're with our kids, yeah, with
kids.
So we have fun, and, boy, wehad a lot of jokes that day.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
So, Dad, you know, you talked last week about the
place that had burgers and smashburgers and dad jokes.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
So maybe we can just have dad jokes and snacks, dad
jokes.
Well, you know, we're going tohave snacks, we're going to have
something going on there.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Oh, so today we are up to John, chapter 11.
We're in the 22nd week of thebook of John.
But before we get to John,chapter 11 and some dad jokes, I
just want to say that I read anarticle in the news just
yesterday about anarchaeological dig that was
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happening in.
Jerusalem, and it goes back toan event that we talked about a
couple weeks ago on our podcastin John chapter 9, about a man
who was healed by the pool ofSiloam there in Jerusalem, and
the archaeologists have foundwhat they believe is that pool.
(02:58):
And just an amazing.
The official release of thisdata was only August, the 30th
of this year.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And so very recently, and so we're not going to go
into that.
You can look it up online foryourself.
But the archaeologists saidthat the discovery, they believe
, went back 2,800 years.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
And they could tell that because of the way it was
built, the material that wasused, the mortar that was in the
brick and all that kind ofstuff.
And here's one thing, and thenwe'll just move on, and that is
that if you look at biblicalarchaeology and I was privileged
to go to Israel right after Ifinished with seminary and one
(03:51):
of the professors that went withus was an archaeologist- oh
nice.
So yeah, we went to Jordan, wewent to Petra, where the Indiana
Jones thing was filmed.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I must become a geologist or archaeologist.
That's what I was going to dobefore I got a football
scholarship and then I went thatdirection, different direction
marketing but I was going to bea geologist or archaeologist.
That's what I wanted to be.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, and it's amazing because what we see in
biblical archaeology, if youlook at anything that's been dug
up from the ground, everysingle time it confirms the
Bible.
There has not been onearchaeological anything found to
disprove the Bible, and I justthink that's phenomenal Over,
(04:40):
you know, thousands of years.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Thousands of years, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And so I just wanted to bring that to our listeners'
attention.
You can do your own research.
And before we get to John,chapter 11, you know we're going
to start off with some dadjokes.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
You think yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
They're not going to be good ones.
So y'all get ready.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
They're not going to be.
That restaurant that's comingto Frisco is called Dad Jokes
Cheesy Burger.
Oh yeah, that sounds fantasticyeah we're definitely going to
have to do that Can.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I have a double with an extra dad joke on the side
Exactly right Can.
I have a.
It's one of their dipping.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Can you make it really cheesy, yeah, really.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I wonder what their dipping sauces are called Right,
wow, right, that would be great.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I bet they have names for all the different things I
would think right, you know yeah.
Yeah, whatever we got to checkthat out.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
We do.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
That'll be fun, Okay.
So the other day my wife,amazing wife Diana, Diana and I
were having a race to see whocould clean the dishes the
fastest.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I just thought about maybe we should do.
Sorry to interrupt, we got tostart, but maybe we should go
and ask them if we can do a livebroadcast at.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Dad Jokes Cheesy Burger.
That would be awesome.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
We should do a kickoff party with them and all
that stuff.
So there you go.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
We've been doing this for two years and Dad Jokes is
part of our thing we need tobroadcast from there.
We could do it live we mighthave to so yeah anyway, just
keep going with your dad joke.
That's better than the joke I'mexcited about that I'll have to
work on that.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yeah, wow.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Okay, so my wife and I were doing dishes and we had a
race to see who could clean thedishes the fastest.
Okay, yeah.
It was so close that we had tocall it a wash.
I always clean mine with a dishtowel, you know.
Rinse them off.
It's like, oh, that one's notdone, I'll just wipe it down.
(06:40):
You know, I was talking to mykids the other day and they live
out of state, but you know,sometimes we're on the phone at
the same time, and I said kids.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
if there's one thing I've learned in all my years,
it's that I'm older than youOkay.
I was trying to think if I hadany good ones.
Told my son I was going to buyhim a book on procrastination.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
You can't get around to it yet I am Keep putting it
off, okay.
So how can you win a fightagainst a rock?
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Do not know.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Paper.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Oh, my God, Doesn't happen too many, but I'll give
you that one.
That was actually a pretty goodone.
How does I'm going to have totell my kids that one this
afternoon?
How?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
does a taco say grace ?
Don't know, let us pray.
All right, maybe we should getinto the Bible.
We should get into the Bible.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
So we can pick up two more listeners, the ones that
just went.
Let's just drop, exactly, right?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Okay, so I like your idea of being a live broadcast.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I'll have to work on that.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Tell them not to listen to the show before they
make a decision Okay so anyway,john, chapter 11.
Let's just say this this isjust my personal opinion.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
If you look at the first four books of the New
Testament Matthew, mark, lukeand John we've talked about
those, the Synoptic Gospels andJohn a lot of the same stories.
Okay, the book of John, chapter11, is, if you don't look at
the or don't count the birthstory of Jesus in Matthew and
Luke, if you don't look at thestory of the Last Supper, which
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we'll talk about next week, orreally the Palm Sunday, or the
Last Supper, or the crucifixionand resurrection, okay, those
are very, very significant.
John chapter 11 might be themost significant other chapter.
Now you have Luke, chapter 4with the calling of Jesus and
that, but it could be up therein the top three to five most
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significant chapters and storiesin the entire first four books
of the New Testament, and it isthe raising of Lazarus from the
dead, and so let me just giveyou a background if you're not
familiar with that story.
Jesus had some really goodfriends, okay, and these
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particular friends, I mean hehad a lot of good friends, but
these particular friends that hehad two sisters and a brother,
okay, lazarus, and then Mary andMartha.
They lived in a little town ofBethany, which was about two
miles from Jerusalem, and sowhat we see in John 12 is that
(09:45):
it's Palm Sunday.
So you look at John chapter—thebook of John has 21 chapters.
The first 11 chapters coverthree years of Jesus' public
ministry, from chapter 12 tochapter 21,.
It covers a week of Jesus'ministry.
Okay well yeah, and so, or alittle more, because there's a
(10:09):
story at the very end aboutafter he was resurrected, but
basically it covers a week, okay, so that last week is very
significant and we're gettinginto that in the next couple
weeks, but this particular storyis like the end of the ministry
before that last week.
So what we read is that Lazarus, jesus' friend, was getting
(10:35):
sick.
Jesus was not there and Maryand Martha were concerned about
their brother, obviously, andJesus found out that Lazarus was
sick.
And what's interesting is Jesus, normally when he knew someone
was sick, he went immediately tohelp them.
(10:55):
This time he didn't do that andso he stayed and then he went.
By the time he got to theirhome, lazarus had died.
Well, obviously the sisters aredistraught, they're
grief-stricken.
They both say, hey, if you'dbeen here you wouldn't have died
.
We see that Jesus right here,which to me is a great
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leadership principle.
It's the shortest verse in theBible, two words Jesus wept,
which tells us a lot about theperson and the humanity of Jesus
, that he had really humanemotions.
So let's just stop right thereand talk about the emotional
side of leadership, becauseleaders, everybody has emotions.
(11:48):
The question is, what do you dowith them and do you show them?
Do you not show them?
Do you swallow them?
Do you only show them tocertain people?
Do you show them in boardmeetings, whatever?
And Jesus was not afraid ofshowing his deep sadness to the
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people that he was around.
And so the question is for thosewho are leaders, this
leadership show.
What do you do with youremotions?
Do you just hide them?
Because there's things thathappen in any organization that
could be frustrating, that couldbe disappointing, that could be
joyous, that could be.
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You're excited about it.
And if you just kind of leveland your people don't know
what's going on in your heart oryour emotions, that's not
always a good thing.
And so the question would behow do you share those?
When do you share those or towhom do you share those?
(12:49):
Jesus wasn't afraid to sharethose with anybody that was
around, and so I know at somepoint there's times when you
can't do that.
You might share with a smallgroup of people, you might not
share with everybody.
Do that.
You might share with a smallgroup of people, you might not
share with everybody, but youdon't want to just bury your
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emotions and then take it out inyour family at home.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
You've got to have a way to in a positive way or in a
way to filter that, to sharethose and not just swallow them
at your office.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Is there a book or chapter that talks about the
backstory between Jesus andLazarus?
No, there's really not.
We just know that they werefriends and it says that in this
chapter, but it doesn't givethe story as to how that
happened.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Did they grow up together?
Did they bump on in on thetrail?
Yeah, there's not a story aboutthat.
It's a sort of kin of mine.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Yeah.
So if you're watching theChosen, okay, there's a little
bit of backstory about that, butreally that's just their
imagination.
There's really nothing in theScripture that says okay, like
you said, they were next-doorneighbors growing up or their
parents knew each other.
We don't know any of that.
We just know that they werereally, really good friends, so,
(14:10):
anyway.
So Jesus went to the tomb andhe this is chapters 38, round,
38, 39.
Yeah verse 38,.
He's there, he's at the tomb,and then this is I don't want to
(14:35):
get into preaching, but this isimportant and so he tells the
disciples to take away the stone.
Now let's just talk about whatthat means.
If you're not familiar withJewish tradition, the graves
back then were not like gravesthey have today, where you
actually put someone in theground.
They would actually dig a holein the side of a mountain like a
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cave, and that would be thegrave, and they would have a,
not just a hole, they would havelike a room and then a shelf
where they'd actually lay thebody.
And then in front of that cavethere would be a little ditch
and they would get a big rockand carve it to make it a little
(15:20):
bit bigger than the opening ofthe cave and that would be the
door.
And so when Lazarus' body waswrapped in traditional burial
cloths I'm not going to say likea mummy, but similar to that-
and he was placed in the tomband then the stone was rolled
(15:40):
away.
And so Jesus comes to the tomband he says to the of the tomb,
and he says to the peopledisciples, take away the stone.
Now here's, I think, a very,very good leadership principle.
Okay, jesus did not needanyone's help to take the stone
away.
He could have done it allhimself, but he didn't.
(16:03):
He chose to not do that, but hedidn't.
He chose to not do that becausehe wanted his disciples to
participate in the miracle.
And so the leadership principlefor me, at least one of them is
how much does the leader feelthey have to do themselves, or
how much are they willing toempower their people to help
with the process of growing thecompany or whatever it is?
(16:26):
And I know the saying if youwant to have done it right,
you're going to do it yourself,and yes, I've practiced that too
often.
But if you want to grow thecompany, you have to grow your
people.
And in order to grow yourpeople, you have to continually
trust them to do more and moreand more and empower them and
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encourage them and train them.
Jesus, this is like they've beenwith him for three years, and
so they were willing to doanything that he asked and he
said take away the stone.
But he had been.
If they had, you know, this hadhappened at the very beginning
of his ministry and they wouldhave said take away the stone.
(17:11):
What are you talking about?
Why, why.
But he had been preparing themfor three years and so they said
take away the stone.
We don't see in the scripture.
But they said, why are we doingthis?
They trusted the leader, yeah,but he had also trained them, he
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empowered them, he invested inthem, he believed in them, and
so when he said take away thestone, they just did it.
They did.
The leadership principle aboutthat is that he was promoting a
team effort, okay, and that tome is really really good, yeah,
(17:58):
okay.
So then he said Lazarus, comeout Now.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
This is a powerful miracle, yeah because he'd been
dead for four days.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
He'd been dead for four days, and so one of the
things about Jewish tradition is, after three days, they felt
the soul of the person hoveredaround the body for three days
just in case they came back tolife.
But after four days that wasgone and there was literally no
possibility of that everhappening.
(18:30):
And so just think about theleadership principle.
Jesus saw life when everyoneelse saw death.
And so the question for leadersis do you see life when other
people see death?
Do you see possibilities whereother people see obstacles?
Do you see possibilities whereother people see obstacles?
Do you see potential whereother people don't?
I mean, I think good leaderssee things that other people
(18:54):
don't, and then they inspiretheir people to see what they
see.
And so Jesus had them roll awaythe stone.
They did that.
He said Lazarus, come out.
And the man came back to life,came out, walked out, and then
Jesus said, hey, take off hisgrave clothes.
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And they did the same principle.
Now the guy had been dead forfour days.
So it's like, wow, okay, youknow, but they did.
They took off the grave clothesand Lazarus was living just
like he had never died.
(19:36):
But again, jesus didn't needany help.
He didn't need any help onEaster Sunday morning to take
off his grave clothes.
He didn't need help then, buthe wanted his followers to
participate in something thatthey would never forget, and so
to me, the same principle istaking away the stone.
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He wanted them to participateand instead of just doing it all
himself.
He wanted them to participateand instead of just doing it all
himself.
he wanted them to participate.
And to me, what a greatleadership principle that Jesus
was willing to say hey, I know Icould do this by myself, but I
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want you to help, I want you toparticipate.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, he delegated all the tasks through the whole
process and that way thedisciples could finish the whole
process together as a team, yes, they could, and to me so, the
teamwork of the leader.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
He delegated this.
They did it.
And to me I'm thinking of allthe things that happened and
there was a lot right thathappened in Jesus' life.
This, to me, would be probablyone of the ones they would never
forget until their last breath.
It's like we took away the stoneand then the guy walked out and
then we took his grave clothes.
(20:55):
We actually got to touch thisguy.
I mean we didn't just watch it,we helped do it.
I mean we didn't bring him backto life, but we helped Jesus do
this.
And I'm just thinking, wow, ifyou empower your people to do
something that they've neverdone, okay, yeah, go be creative
, come up with a new product,come up with a new logo, do this
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, do that.
Just, you know, just be and doit as a team.
Wow, and you encourage that andyou help promote that.
They're going to just be,they're going to invest more in
you.
So now they have that high,okay.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
And we'll stop here in just a minute with John,
chapter 11, because after thatsome of the Jewish people, they
didn't just want to kill Jesus,they wanted to kill Lazarus,
because he was now testifying toJesus, Because there's a
reaction from that right, therewas a big reaction like what,
what's going down here?
And so, anyway, they're up on ahigh, okay.
(22:01):
And then in John, chapter 12,there's another high of the Palm
Sunday, which we'll get to thatnext week, and then you have
the last week of his life, andso this was one of the last
miracles, not the last miraclethat Jesus did in his ministry,
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okay, and so it's just verypowerful.
It's only found in the book ofJohn and there's so much, so
much.
And if you think about it, ifthere was some conflict between
him and Jesus and the religiousleader before, this only
increased that.
And so you have to think, ifyou're going to be a leader,
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sometimes you've got to bewilling to stand up to the
conflict of other companies,other teams, other whatever
they're going to just try to putyou down and you just have to
stand strong.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Yeah, and that's what sort of did.
And what happened is throughhis miracle it created momentum
and that momentum was good forJesus.
But it also was bad in thething where the Pharisees sort
of said well, we're not lookedat as highly, now the Romans are
going to come, take our templesand take our nation and some of
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the different things thatbecome very worrisome to them.
And it's a good and badscenario after this whole
miracle.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yes, it is A miracle.
Yes, it is, but it was one ofthe highlights of the whole
ministry of Jesus prior to thePalm Sunday story.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
And it's just a powerful, powerful.
I just want to know the backstory now.
I want to know how they knoweach other.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I don't know, maybe they met as kids.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
I really don't know.
I really don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
So okay, so that's good, john, chapter 11.
I really don't know, I reallydon't know so, okay, so that's
good.
John, chapter 11.
We'll just finish there.
We'll take it up to John,chapter 12.
It starts in verse 12, wherethe Palm Sunday and if you
didn't know what Palm Sunday was, it's when Jesus rode on the
back of a donkey into the cityof Jerusalem.
People were shouting about allof that.
It's the beginning of the lastweek of his life, and so if
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you're not familiar withChristian tradition, the Sunday
before Easter is called PalmSunday, and then that begins
Holy Week, what's known as HolyWeek, and you have Holy Thursday
, you have Good Friday, holySaturday and Easter Sunday, and
we'll get into all of that inthe coming weeks and what's
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going on and we look forward toit.
So maybe we'll finish the bookof John by 2027.
We might.
It's taken us many weeks to getthrough this far and we're
coming at some crucial partscoming up in the next couple of
weeks.
We really are.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
So I'd be curious to see how that works.
But yeah, so great lessons outof there, lots of leadership
lessons, and just make sureyou're empowering your people.
To finish right To go thedistance and don't?
You know?
One of the biggest things aboutempowering, I say, is
empowering means they're ready.
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That means they're ready tostep up and do some of your
tasks for you.
Don't micromanage, don't havecontrols in place if you're
truly trying to empower somebody.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, excellent point .
Excellent point if you're trulytrying to empower somebody.
Yeah, excellent point.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
All right, you know taking it in a different
direction now, I'm sure.
I'm sure it's been 25 minutessince we've had a dad joke Right
, okay, let's go, okay, so.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
I heard the other day that sandwich sales are up in
the capital of India.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Uh-oh, sandwich sales are up in the capital of India.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah, there must be a new deli.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Oh my, I got to give you that one.
I was really trying to thinkabout that.
I'm like what I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
You know, when you go online you say well, Google,
that I don't have anybody.
Normally say Safari that okay,they normally just say Google
that.
So I was reading a news storythe other day that Google
sometimes is a bad influencebecause there was someone was
searching how to become anarsonist and it gave them 50,000
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matches.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Or maybe I should just do that, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah, yeah, maybe you should do that, I got all kinds
of boring ones, right?
Well, let's just hear a boringone.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
What state has the most streets?
You're an avid park going toall the national parks.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
What state has the most streets?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Yes, let's see how good he is.
See, the problem is Dr Pusually knows a lot of my dad
jokes.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Rhode Island Rhode Island, oh, that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
You know, one of the things I've always wanted to do
I just never have done was takeup fencing.
So I decided recently to takeup fencing, but my neighbors
keep asking me to put it back.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I always thought fencing would be so cool.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah, I always thought it would be sort of cool
too.
Yeah, I just never have.
I've never done anything, Ijust think it'd be cool.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
I don't know how good I'd be, but that's not the
point.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
No, that's not the point.
No, just have fun, Just get nothat's not the point.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
No, just have fun.
Yeah, you know, just get a longstick and just you know
whatever those people have suchquick reactions.
Yeah, they do I mean inliterally a split second.
It's unbelievable how fast theycan be.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
It is, you know.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I'm not that fast anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
So, yeah, so let's just a couple of dad jokes to
finish out the show today.
What does coffee say when it'sfeeling sad?
What does?
Speaker 1 (28:26):
coffee, say when it's feeling sad.
I'm craving coffee right nowtoo, so Okay, then you should
get this one, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Pour me, pour me All right, I'll give.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Get this one, I don't know, poor me, poor me.
All right, I'll give that toyou.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Okay, so what do you call a moose?
We were in Alaska this summerand we tried to see a moose.
We never saw a moose.
What do you?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
call a moose with no name.
Somebody's out there going, Iknow this one.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I know this one too.
Why do you not know this one?
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Tim, I do not Anonymous.
Anonymous, sort of like.
What do you call a fibbing cat?
What A lion.
A lion, all right, one more,take us out.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Okay, why did the remote control feel useless?
I do not, because it lostcontrol.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Nice.
All right, check us outbiblicalleadershipshowcom.
We're going to come back nextweek.
It's sort of coming close toour Halloween, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Halloween show.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
To our Halloween Halloween show maybe I'll wear a
costume pirate costume outthere and go in costume next
week.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
See if we can come up with a good costume too bad,
we're not on video, right, westarted out we got a lot of
videos and we're going toprobably get back into videos.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I need to probably get that.
I was going to start that atthe turn of our season here, so
I had it hooked up.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
See, you can see the little cameras and stuff.
I see the little camera there.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
But maybe I'll work on getting the rest of that
hooked up for us and then we canstart broadcasting on it.
Maybe that'll be a kickoff ofour video.
So, anyway, check us outBiblical Leadership Show.
Other than that, we'll see younext week.
Dr P, thanks for having us.
You're making a great night.
Thank you, guys.
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