March 11, 2025 • 30 mins
Discover the extraordinary leadership principles from two ancient leaders who transformed a city in ruins into a revitalized community. When Ezra and Nehemiah returned to Jerusalem around 450 BC, they faced seemingly insurmountable challenges. The city walls had lain in rubble for 150 years, and the people had abandoned their spiritual heritage.
What happens when visionary leadership meets strategic execution? Nehemiah stunned everyone by rebuilding the entire wall in just 52 days despite fierce opposition. His unforgettable response to distractions – "I am doing a great work and cannot come down" – provides a powerful model for maintaining focus amid the countless distractions of modern leadership.
Dr. Posey breaks down three timeless leadership principles that made Nehemiah's success possible: thorough research before action, leading by authentic example alongside his people, and making tough decisions to protect the mission. Meanwhile, Ezra's parallel work of spiritual restoration shows how rebuilding physical structures and rebuilding human communities require different but complementary approaches.
Whether you're leading a business through transformation, guiding a community through rebuilding, or simply trying to stay focused on your personal mission, this episode offers practical wisdom wrapped in historical context. The principles that helped these ancient leaders rebuild from rubble can help you face your own leadership challenges with renewed clarity and determination.
The Biblical Leadership Show continues its journey through the Old Testament, with hosts Tim and Dr. Posey bringing ancient wisdom to modern challenges through their signature blend of scholarly insight and lighthearted conversation. Join them next week as they explore the remarkable story of Esther and her courageous leadership in the face of existential threat.
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Welcome, welcome, welcome that's what we're
talking about To anotherexciting episode of the Biblical
Leadership Show, Show, show.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Hey Tim, how you doing today?
What's up going on there, drTim?
Well, not too much, you know,not too much.
Things are good here down inWaco, and just you know moving
on one day at a time.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
We're still far apart , but that's okay.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, we'll be until the end of April.
Yeah, april, end of April, yep,I like it.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah Well, well, exciting times.
Everything's going good.
You had a good sermon last week.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
You know everything's uh, sleep, that's, that's the
key.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Right there, there you go that's honestly 100, the
best thing that you.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
That is exactly right , right yeah, but yeah I'm
starting to get back into it, mytraveling.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I have, you know, been home for a little bit now,
so I started getting back intomy routine, figuring out how to
make some money so I can starttraveling again.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I'm glad you're.
I bet your family's glad thatyou're back.
You know, being gone from yourfamily for like two weeks solid
it's.
That's hard.
You know it gone from yourfamily for like two weeks solid.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
that's hard it is.
It's pretty tough.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, and I'm just thinking.
You know, when you're sayingthat we're traveling, you know
that's really nothing comparedto some of these military men
and women that are gone,deployed for like a year that
would be.
You talk about sacrifice forthe spouse that's left behind.
You know that is just tough.
That's tough and just bethankful for her.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I'm one of the people that like to hang out with my
kids.
Man, that's 24-7.
I don't need to 24-7.
I'm okay with it.
So I like my kids, so I'm allabout it.
Like my spouse, so it's one ofthose things.
Right, and you've got a greatfamily.
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You really really do.
Yeah, I am blessed.
Great family, yeah, but yeah.
So anyway, we mentioned alittle bit what we're going to
talk about today and how and whywe're doing it.
You know we're going to combinetwo books today, but that's
really not combining, since theyused to be one.
Isn't that correct?
That's correct.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
So Ezra and Nehemiah, they were contemporaries back
around 450 BC.
Originally, Ezra and Nehemiahwas one book.
It was divided into two andthey have different themes, but
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the focus of both of them isrebuilding a different aspect of
the city or the people ofJerusalem, and so there's some
history behind that.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
So Ezra focuses on restoring the temple and
reestablishing spiritualdevotion is what I have, where
Nehemiah focused on rebuildingJerusalem's walls and
strengthening the community.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Well, ezra was a teacher.
Okay, so he was a teacher, andso his real focus was on
teaching and rebuilding thecommunity.
The temple had already beenrebuilt, but by using the temple
and focusing on the Torah andthe Jewish laws and the teaching
of that, he was really tryingto get people back to worshiping
God.
So what's tragic is so theBabylonians destroyed the city
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of Jerusalem in 586 BC.
Now we talked about last weekwith Daniel.
In 605 BC, there were severalwaves of people who were
deported from Israel over toBabylon, and Daniel was a part
of that group in 605 BC.
Then there was some more inlike 597.
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Then there was just a lot in586, when the whole city was
destroyed, and then that was theBabylonians.
Well, you have that happened in586 BC.
Well, in 539 BC, the PersianEmpire conquered the Babylonians
.
In 539 BC, the Persian Empireconquered the Babylonians, and
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so a year later, the king ofPersia, king Cyrus, allowed some
of the Jewish people to go backto Jerusalem, and so that's
really the first wave of peoplegoing back, and so that's really
the first wave of people goingback.
Zerubbabel, he was the leader ofthat.
He was the one that helpedrebuild the temple.
It wasn't the extravaganttemple of Solomon, it wasn't the
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Gezabit temple that would comelater for what's called Herod's
temple during the time of Jesusbut it was a temple.
And so that happened, beginningin 538 BC.
And then the second wave ofpeople went back in 458 BC.
So you have, and that was ledby Ezra, and so he went back.
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And what's tragic about that,as we read the story, is that
the Jewish people had reallyturned their backs on God, were
worshiping other gods.
That was really part of thereason for the downfall of the
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country and the city, you know,in the late 500s.
Well, by the time Ezra got backto Jerusalem, they had taken up
some of their old habits andthey were, you know, not
worshiping God.
They were, you know, fallinginto sin.
And so, as Ezra was preaching,the people repented.
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So it was a powerful messagethat God used him to bring the
people back to God through thepreaching of the Bible.
And so, not too long after thatwas Nehemiah, and he came.
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Now think about this the city ofJerusalem was destroyed.
I mean literally destroyed.
The walls were torn down.
These walls were massive, theywere all torn down just rubble.
In 586 BC.
You have, 150 years later,nehemiah comes and he feels that
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God is letting him to rebuildthe wall.
Now it's been in rubble for 150years.
Now it's been in rubble for 150years.
The people have been living inrubble for, you know, like 100
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years.
And so it's like sometimes, youknow, you walk into a situation
Just think about the leadershipof these two men, ezra and
Nehemiah.
You walk into a situation andyou might be hired to, you know,
take over a business or be in aposition, and you're not really
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told everything when you'regoing through the interview
process.
And then you walk in and yourealize man, this place is a
mess and it would be easy to sayI'm out of here.
You know, forget it.
These men didn't do that.
They focused on theirpriorities of rebuilding the
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people, rebuilding the city,rebuilding the people,
rebuilding the city.
And this is incredible.
So Nehemiah was preaching, thepeople repented.
I mean, ezra was preaching.
Nehemiah came after that.
The city walls had been downfor 150 years.
He surveyed the whole city atnight so no one would know what
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he was doing, and he got otherpeople to start helping him.
The entire wall was rebuilt in52 days.
52 days, I mean, that's noteven two months, and it just
shows the power of vision.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
There was a lot of resistance to it when he was
building them.
Yes, there was so much conflictand they had to have armed
guards protecting them whilethey were building the wall, and
stuff, which is amazing.
You know that you have thatpassion and you're worried about
you know doing it and it's yourcalling right.
We're going to rebuild thesewalls.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yes, and so there was several people we won't get
into the names and all that, butthere were several people whose
job it was to.
They felt self-appointed todiscourage Nehemiah from
rebuilding the walls.
And Nehemiah I think one of themost amazing passages in this
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particular set of two bookscomes from Nehemiah, chapter 6.
The people are trying todiscourage him from doing the
work.
Yes, they had to work with onehand, keep their sword in the
other hand, and so these two menare trying to get Nehemiah
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distracted.
And in chapter 6, verse 3, whata great statement by Nehemiah.
So they're trying to get himfrom doing the work.
And this is what we read inverse 3, chapter 6.
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And I sent messengers to themsaying, quote I am doing a great
work and cannot come down.
In other words, I am focused onmy mission.
I'm focused on the vision ofredoing this.
I'm not going to let anythingdistract me.
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I am focused on this.
Built sections of the wall, butwhat a great role model.
For and here's the thingthere's so many things right now
that can distract us.
It could be negative comments,it could be world events, it
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could be whatever it is.
And Nehemiah is a great lessonof leadership.
He said I'm not going to bedistracted by anything.
I am going to focus on the taskat hand and I'm just not going
to be deterred.
I'm going to put all my energyinto this and in 52 days the
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walls were rebuilt after it hadbeen in shambles for 150 years.
So what a great leader he was,and it's just a lesson for all
of us about staying focused onthe vision and the mission of
our organization.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, 100%.
I was looking for a verse Ithink it was, you know, there it
is Nehemiah 4-9,.
But we prayed to our God andposted a guard day and night to
meet this threat.
And this one struck me as oneof those things that you have a
mission you're trying toaccomplish and, from a
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leadership value, is to findthat balance between faith and
strategy.
You know, as leaders, asentrepreneurs, you have to have
faith.
You know, and and I was havingthis conversation at um, some of
my meetings here a couple ofweeks ago, and it's like, um, a
lot of the like-minded people Ihang out with you know they're
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just their.
Their thought is I have faith,it's going to work out, and they
get the doubters right.
What do you mean?
You have faith, don't you havea plan?
I have a plan, but I have faiththat it's going to work out.
And it's using those words, andI know I do this with my wife
all the time.
So what's the thought processthere?
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I'm like it'll be fine.
And she goes well, how's itgoing to be fine?
You know, cause she's got thatlinear brain Like I need to know
the steps to be fine.
I'm like it'll be fine, I havefaith.
And then, and it just, it's theone of the things, but in this
thing he had to have faith, buthe also had a strategy as well.
So you had to have somewhat ofa plan in place, because if you
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didn't have the guards to guardyou, to guard the wall, I mean,
the naysayers would have comeand knocked that stuff down
every night and it would havetook longer than 52 weeks to
build that wall again, wouldn'tit?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Well, 52 days, yeah.
But here's the thing it'samazing.
It's amazing what ordinarypeople now he, just these were
ordinary people.
What ordinary people now he,just these were ordinary people.
These were not Mason, they werejust ordinary people, but they
had a leader with a vision and astrategy to get it done.
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So a group of people wouldbuild the wall in front of their
own home and they would build acertain number of feet, and,
and they would build a certainnumber of feet, and next person
would build a certain number offeet.
But here's the thing about it sopowerful Nehemiah just didn't
stand there and watch them dothe work.
He was up there rolling hissleeves up, getting there,
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getting dirty, doing the workwith them, and he put as much
hard work as he asked them to do, and so he wasn't sitting in
his desk telling people to doone thing and him not being
involved.
He was out there, you know,busting it and getting it done,
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and I think people reallyrespect a leader that they know
is going to be in there with thetrenches with them.
And he was.
And they rallied and, yes, theyhad some challenges because
people were trying to tear thewalls down and keep them
distracted and Nehemiah saidwe're not going to let that
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distract us, we're going tofocus on our mission.
And they got it done.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, All I can think of is I usually say my wife
needs to listen to the podcast.
But I'm really hoping she does?
She wants me to knock down ourpaved walls with paved stone and
put up stone walls all the wayaround the front of our yard on
our flower beds and everything.
And she's going to be like I'mthe leader, let me help you,
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I'll guard you while you do that.
I'll guard you.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I'll guard you.
You go do it.
You go tear that up.
I'll sit here with some icedtea and I'll watch you.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
You just need to have the desire to do it and the
passion, and I'll watch you andI'll be the leader to help you.
So, I have sort of mixedfeelings if she's going to
listen to this one.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, oh well.
Well, let's talk about someleadership principles that I
think are very important, andwe've already talked about a few
, are very important and we'vealready talked about a few.
But here's one of the thingsthat I think in developing
leaders, it's important to learn.
The first step is to learn thehistory.
So what we see in Nehemiah isthat he got on a donkey or a
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horse and went around the cityand surveyed the issue, the
damage of the wall.
He did it at night, just to notcreate suspicion, but he
learned the history of it, helearned the context of it, he
learned what had to be done, heunderstood the strengths, the
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weaknesses, the materials.
So before he even startedrallying the troops, he had to
do his homework.
And I think that's what areally good leader does.
They do their homework, theyinvestigate.
Now they might assign that tosomeone to do that work, but
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they don't just jump out andstart doing something.
But they don't just jump outand start doing something.
They do their homework, they dotheir research and they want to
learn as much as possiblebefore they initiate their
strategy.
And then the second so afteryou do your homework, you learn
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about what needs to be done.
And then the second thing isyou've got to walk your talk and
you've got to demonstrate byyour own actions that you're
willing to be a part of thesolution.
You're not just going todictate this, whatever, and so
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you're going to live it out,you're going to be authentic
about it, you're going to betransparent about it, and I
think what that does is givesyou credibility to be the leader
.
You've earned that right, whichreally leads to the third part,
and that is leading.
Sometimes, leaders, you've gotto make hard decisions, keep
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distractions away, keep themfocused, and so those are things
If you just think about thosethree principles, for just a lot
of different things.
Say, you're the team captain ofa softball team, softball season
is getting ready to kick offand you're just going to get out
there.
You can say, well, let's justgather at the field tonight at
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eight o'clock, you know, andjust start playing.
Well, you know, you haven'tlooked at your equipment since
last August.
You don't even know if theballs are still good, if the
bats are broken are still good.
If the bats are broken, no,it's like.
No, take some time, do yourresearch.
Hey guys, we need some moreequipment.
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We've got we've only got twosoftballs.
We need at least a dozen.
We've got no bats.
I don't know what happened tothem, but they're gone.
I mean, so you do your researchand then you lead, and that's
part of leadership is learningand doing your research.
All right, I've changed my mind.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I need my wife to listen to this one, I'm not
saying a word, brother.
You know, we had the firstbaseball practice of the season
and it was a funny thing and myson was jumping over one of
those little concrete things andhe the backpack weighed so much
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that he went backwards andlanded on the backpack.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
And she goes what do you have in this backpack?
What do you have in hisbaseball thing?
I'm like, did you look in there?
And she goes no, I'm like, well, I have two of my gloves, I
have my baseball bat in thereand I had four or five balls in
there.
If you could have looked inthere before you went, then you
would have took half the stuffout, because it's mine.
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I just combined it, threw it inthe garage and put all the
stuff in there, but they failedto look at it.
They just threw it on and went.
And I'm like, okay, so againnow.
I don't want her to listen, butI do want her to listen to hear
that story.
You know, looking andpre-planning and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Well, I just think it's part of the research, you
know it's just part of theleading is doing research, and
and in an organization likeright now, uh, in this church,
it's a, it's a large church.
It's uh, uh, it's a greatchurch.
This is their 175th year ofbeing a church.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Uh, yeah, so they were started in 1850 um and
right down there they they'rewhat I gotta figure out where
the original sites, I can bringmy metal detector down.
Okay, so the original site downthere.
I got to figure out where theoriginal site is so I can bring
my metal detector down.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Okay, so the original site was down by the river and
then they moved to Fifth andJackson, which is just down from
downtown, down by the MagnoliaPalace, and then they moved out
to Cobbs and Lake Eyre back inthe 60s.
And then they moved out toCobbs and Lake Eyre back in the
60s and so when I was here atBaylor back in the 70s, the
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education building of that 5thand Jackson location was still
standing.
It's no longer standing, it'sgone.
You know, the Gaines have donesuch an incredible job in
helping build Waco up andthey've really helped put Waco
up.
Uh, and there's just uh,they've really put, helped put
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Waco back on the map.
Uh and uh, it's really good.
What's going on downtown.
It's just incredible and it'snot just them, but they were a
huge catalyst in making all thathappen.
And uh, and now it's just kindof growing and things are
happening and it's just exciting.
It's exciting little town to bein.
So let's just ask this aboutsports what do you call a
nervous javelin thrower Anervous javelin thrower?
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What do you call a nervousjavelin thrower?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Person that wants to get to the point.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
How about Shakespeare ?
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Shakespeare.
All right, what do you call aknight who is afraid to fight?
How about that?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I'll throw it back at you A knight who is afraid to
fight?
Are we doing this in rhymes?
Is that what we're doing?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I mean you're throwing out the javelin, I'm
going to go.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah, I don't know what do you call a night that's
afraid to fight.
Surrender, surrender.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Oh my gosh, I told you I'd bring a few better dad
jokes, yeah you did.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I'm glad you're doing that research.
Um, yeah, okay.
So superheroes, you knowsuperheroes.
I haven't seen the latestsuperhero movie, but my favorite
superhero is Typo man.
Typo man, huh, typo man, uh-huh.
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So what's Typo man?
Do he rights all the wrongs?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
But I'm bum Bum-choo, I'm pumped Bumptune.
I'm going to work on that.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Where's?
Speaker 1 (23:02):
your buttons, man.
No, I just don't think they'regoing over there.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Okay, where do saplings go to learn?
This is spring, you know littletrees are coming.
Where do saplings go to learn?
I don't know how.
About elementary school?
Where do saplings go to learn?
I don't know how aboutelementary school.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I'm pumped.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
How do you fix a broken tomato?
How do I fix a broken tomato?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I use it in salsa With tomato paste, of course.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Oh, of course, with tomato paste.
Of course, oh, of course withtomato paste, of course.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Oh, my goodness, um, what do you call?
Uh?
What do you get if you cross asnake with a lego set?
Speaker 2 (23:51):
oh, I think I've heard this one, but I don't
remember what a boa constructor.
Oh boa constructor, oh a boaconstructor.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Oh my goodness.
You know I had a few of them inthe thing.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
You know, up here in Dallas I was reading the
newspaper, there was a robberyup at the Ikea store in Dallas
and the police department aretrying to solve this big
unsolved robbery.
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They're just having a hard timeputting all the pieces together
.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
All right, last one for me.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
What did the door knocker win?
What was?
Speaker 1 (24:37):
the question what did the person who invented the
door knocker win.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
What was the?
Speaker 1 (24:40):
question what did the person who invented the door
knocker?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
win.
Oh, let's see, I don't know.
I've heard this one before.
I don't remember A Nobel.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Prize.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
A Nobel Prize oh.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
All right, that's my last one.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Is that the last one?
Okay, so Diana and I went tothe movie.
I'm home on Thursday night,friday night.
So we went to the movie lastFriday night.
I won't say what movie, but itwas definitely wasted our money
and we also.
The popcorn was horrible, so wewon't talk about that.
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But she asked me.
She said how are we going tosneak some candy into the movie
theater?
And I said that's a greatquestion, but I have a few
twixts in my sleeve.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
All right, Wonderful wonderful.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Okay, one last one.
One last one.
I know how did the owl managehis bad breath.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I do not know.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Altoids.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Altoids, that's pretty good word, I like that.
I got one more question you gotone more.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Oh question, Is this about Ezra and Nehemiah?
Or just some random questionlike what's for lunch?
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I was going to ask you about it and I guess, daniel
, it was wrote in differentlanguages or something.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, daniel, I'm trying to remember the history
behind that.
I'm thinking it was written inAramaic instead of just Hebrew.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
It's kind of combined Hebrew to Aramaic, to back to
Hebrew or something.
Yeah, Because that was one ofthe things I when my research.
I just didn't know if there wasany thoughts or hypothesis on
this.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
I'm sure there is.
I've forgotten that, but Ithink the first chapter or so is
written in Hebrew, and thenit's Aramaic, which is the
spoken language that many peoplespoke during the time of Jesus,
and then the last part of thebook of Daniel is written back
in Hebrew.
So that's an interesting.
I just thought it was prettyinteresting how.
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Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, it's very interesting Show tidbit.
When my pre-show research thatI, you know, I was going to ask
you either on air or I was goingto call you right after this
and go, I forgot to ask you aquestion, but I figured I'd
throw it in there.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
So yeah, that's a good question.
That's a good question.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
But other than that, dr Posey, I mean, here you are,
you're still on that J-O-B downthere as an interim, you know?
Yep, you're in Waco area.
Stop by and see Dr P do theSunday sermon.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
You can get online as well, right?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah, it's called First Waco, so First Methodist
Waco, I think.
The website firstwacocom andthere's.
You can watch it live.
You can watch it recorded.
We have two services.
I preach at both of them.
Well, we actually have fourcampuses.
I'm only preaching at the maincampus.
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We have other pastors that areexceptionally good that preach
at the other campuses and so,but I'm honored to be at the
main one, and so any campus thatyou choose is good, and it's
just been good.
So I'm here for about anothermonth and a half, until the end
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of April, and then the newpastor, dr Mike Voits, is coming
.
He's actually a professor at aseminary in Wilmore, kentucky,
right now.
He was on staff at this churchback in the 90s, right after
seminary, and so they've calledhim to be the new senior pastor,
and so I'm going to fill thatrole until he gets here.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
I love it, I love it, I love it, yeah, so I'm excited
for you.
I know that's always a funthing when you can do that.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
It's a fun thing.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
If you didn't know the story, this is full circle.
You know where he started andwhere he's going to.
Well, I don't know, he mighthave like 12 more churches.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I don't know.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
You never know how it works.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
You never know.
So next week, I think, we'regoing to discuss at least on the
calendar we're going to discussthe book of Esther.
What an incredible woman shewas.
We can learn so much from herfaithfulness to God, and so we
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look forward to talking aboutthat, and so we look forward to
talking about that.
We're getting to the pointwhere we're almost to the end of
the Old Testament.
We've just got a few more weeksto go and then we'll start on
the New Testament.
It's been a fun journey, and ifthis is your first week to join
us, I say thank you so much forjoining us.
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We've been working on the booksof the Bible one at a time,
sometimes, like today, two at atime since last August.
The goal is to finish all thebooks and the leadership
principles of each book by theend of the summer, and so we
thank you for joining us.
Tell someone else about theBiblical Leadership Show, and we
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Speaker 1 (30:02):
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other than that.
Dr P, I'm going to see you nextweek or I'm going to talk to
you next week and we'll see whatwe can do to put together a
little Esther meeting, maybe.
Maybe we'll see you, or maybeI'll just see you from a hundred
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And uh, check us out.
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Great day, thanks guys.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
All right, bye.
Welcome, welcome, welcome that's what we're
talking about To anotherexciting episode of the Biblical
Leadership Show, Show, show.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Hey Tim, how you doing today?
What's up going on there, drTim?
Well, not too much, you know,not too much.
Things are good here down inWaco, and just you know moving
on one day at a time.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
We're still far apart , but that's okay.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, we'll be until the end of April.
Yeah, april, end of April, yep,I like it.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah Well, well, exciting times.
Everything's going good.
You had a good sermon last week.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
You know everything's uh, sleep, that's, that's the
key.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Right there, there you go that's honestly 100, the
best thing that you.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
That is exactly right , right yeah, but yeah I'm
starting to get back into it, mytraveling.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I have, you know, been home for a little bit now,
so I started getting back intomy routine, figuring out how to
make some money so I can starttraveling again.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I'm glad you're.
I bet your family's glad thatyou're back.
You know, being gone from yourfamily for like two weeks solid
it's.
That's hard.
You know it gone from yourfamily for like two weeks solid.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
that's hard it is.
It's pretty tough.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, and I'm just thinking.
You know, when you're sayingthat we're traveling, you know
that's really nothing comparedto some of these military men
and women that are gone,deployed for like a year that
would be.
You talk about sacrifice forthe spouse that's left behind.
You know that is just tough.
That's tough and just bethankful for her.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I'm one of the people that like to hang out with my
kids.
Man, that's 24-7.
I don't need to 24-7.
I'm okay with it.
So I like my kids, so I'm allabout it.
Like my spouse, so it's one ofthose things.
Right, and you've got a greatfamily.
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You really really do.
Yeah, I am blessed.
Great family, yeah, but yeah.
So anyway, we mentioned alittle bit what we're going to
talk about today and how and whywe're doing it.
You know we're going to combinetwo books today, but that's
really not combining, since theyused to be one.
Isn't that correct?
That's correct.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
So Ezra and Nehemiah, they were contemporaries back
around 450 BC.
Originally, Ezra and Nehemiahwas one book.
It was divided into two andthey have different themes, but
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the focus of both of them isrebuilding a different aspect of
the city or the people ofJerusalem, and so there's some
history behind that.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
So Ezra focuses on restoring the temple and
reestablishing spiritualdevotion is what I have, where
Nehemiah focused on rebuildingJerusalem's walls and
strengthening the community.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Well, ezra was a teacher.
Okay, so he was a teacher, andso his real focus was on
teaching and rebuilding thecommunity.
The temple had already beenrebuilt, but by using the temple
and focusing on the Torah andthe Jewish laws and the teaching
of that, he was really tryingto get people back to worshiping
God.
So what's tragic is so theBabylonians destroyed the city
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of Jerusalem in 586 BC.
Now we talked about last weekwith Daniel.
In 605 BC, there were severalwaves of people who were
deported from Israel over toBabylon, and Daniel was a part
of that group in 605 BC.
Then there was some more inlike 597.
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Then there was just a lot in586, when the whole city was
destroyed, and then that was theBabylonians.
Well, you have that happened in586 BC.
Well, in 539 BC, the PersianEmpire conquered the Babylonians
.
In 539 BC, the Persian Empireconquered the Babylonians, and
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so a year later, the king ofPersia, king Cyrus, allowed some
of the Jewish people to go backto Jerusalem, and so that's
really the first wave of peoplegoing back, and so that's really
the first wave of people goingback.
Zerubbabel, he was the leader ofthat.
He was the one that helpedrebuild the temple.
It wasn't the extravaganttemple of Solomon, it wasn't the
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Gezabit temple that would comelater for what's called Herod's
temple during the time of Jesusbut it was a temple.
And so that happened, beginningin 538 BC.
And then the second wave ofpeople went back in 458 BC.
So you have, and that was ledby Ezra, and so he went back.
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And what's tragic about that,as we read the story, is that
the Jewish people had reallyturned their backs on God, were
worshiping other gods.
That was really part of thereason for the downfall of the
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country and the city, you know,in the late 500s.
Well, by the time Ezra got backto Jerusalem, they had taken up
some of their old habits andthey were, you know, not
worshiping God.
They were, you know, fallinginto sin.
And so, as Ezra was preaching,the people repented.
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So it was a powerful messagethat God used him to bring the
people back to God through thepreaching of the Bible.
And so, not too long after thatwas Nehemiah, and he came.
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Now think about this the city ofJerusalem was destroyed.
I mean literally destroyed.
The walls were torn down.
These walls were massive, theywere all torn down just rubble.
In 586 BC.
You have, 150 years later,nehemiah comes and he feels that
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God is letting him to rebuildthe wall.
Now it's been in rubble for 150years.
Now it's been in rubble for 150years.
The people have been living inrubble for, you know, like 100
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years.
And so it's like sometimes, youknow, you walk into a situation
Just think about the leadershipof these two men, ezra and
Nehemiah.
You walk into a situation andyou might be hired to, you know,
take over a business or be in aposition, and you're not really
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told everything when you'regoing through the interview
process.
And then you walk in and yourealize man, this place is a
mess and it would be easy to sayI'm out of here.
You know, forget it.
These men didn't do that.
They focused on theirpriorities of rebuilding the
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people, rebuilding the city,rebuilding the people,
rebuilding the city.
And this is incredible.
So Nehemiah was preaching, thepeople repented.
I mean, ezra was preaching.
Nehemiah came after that.
The city walls had been downfor 150 years.
He surveyed the whole city atnight so no one would know what
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he was doing, and he got otherpeople to start helping him.
The entire wall was rebuilt in52 days.
52 days, I mean, that's noteven two months, and it just
shows the power of vision.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
There was a lot of resistance to it when he was
building them.
Yes, there was so much conflictand they had to have armed
guards protecting them whilethey were building the wall, and
stuff, which is amazing.
You know that you have thatpassion and you're worried about
you know doing it and it's yourcalling right.
We're going to rebuild thesewalls.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yes, and so there was several people we won't get
into the names and all that, butthere were several people whose
job it was to.
They felt self-appointed todiscourage Nehemiah from
rebuilding the walls.
And Nehemiah I think one of themost amazing passages in this
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particular set of two bookscomes from Nehemiah, chapter 6.
The people are trying todiscourage him from doing the
work.
Yes, they had to work with onehand, keep their sword in the
other hand, and so these two menare trying to get Nehemiah
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distracted.
And in chapter 6, verse 3, whata great statement by Nehemiah.
So they're trying to get himfrom doing the work.
And this is what we read inverse 3, chapter 6.
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And I sent messengers to themsaying, quote I am doing a great
work and cannot come down.
In other words, I am focused onmy mission.
I'm focused on the vision ofredoing this.
I'm not going to let anythingdistract me.
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I am focused on this.
Built sections of the wall, butwhat a great role model.
For and here's the thingthere's so many things right now
that can distract us.
It could be negative comments,it could be world events, it
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could be whatever it is.
And Nehemiah is a great lessonof leadership.
He said I'm not going to bedistracted by anything.
I am going to focus on the taskat hand and I'm just not going
to be deterred.
I'm going to put all my energyinto this and in 52 days the
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walls were rebuilt after it hadbeen in shambles for 150 years.
So what a great leader he was,and it's just a lesson for all
of us about staying focused onthe vision and the mission of
our organization.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, 100%.
I was looking for a verse Ithink it was, you know, there it
is Nehemiah 4-9,.
But we prayed to our God andposted a guard day and night to
meet this threat.
And this one struck me as oneof those things that you have a
mission you're trying toaccomplish and, from a
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leadership value, is to findthat balance between faith and
strategy.
You know, as leaders, asentrepreneurs, you have to have
faith.
You know, and and I was havingthis conversation at um, some of
my meetings here a couple ofweeks ago, and it's like, um, a
lot of the like-minded people Ihang out with you know they're
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just their.
Their thought is I have faith,it's going to work out, and they
get the doubters right.
What do you mean?
You have faith, don't you havea plan?
I have a plan, but I have faiththat it's going to work out.
And it's using those words, andI know I do this with my wife
all the time.
So what's the thought processthere?
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I'm like it'll be fine.
And she goes well, how's itgoing to be fine?
You know, cause she's got thatlinear brain Like I need to know
the steps to be fine.
I'm like it'll be fine, I havefaith.
And then, and it just, it's theone of the things, but in this
thing he had to have faith, buthe also had a strategy as well.
So you had to have somewhat ofa plan in place, because if you
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didn't have the guards to guardyou, to guard the wall, I mean,
the naysayers would have comeand knocked that stuff down
every night and it would havetook longer than 52 weeks to
build that wall again, wouldn'tit?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Well, 52 days, yeah.
But here's the thing it'samazing.
It's amazing what ordinarypeople now he, just these were
ordinary people.
What ordinary people now he,just these were ordinary people.
These were not Mason, they werejust ordinary people, but they
had a leader with a vision and astrategy to get it done.
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So a group of people wouldbuild the wall in front of their
own home and they would build acertain number of feet, and,
and they would build a certainnumber of feet, and next person
would build a certain number offeet.
But here's the thing about it sopowerful Nehemiah just didn't
stand there and watch them dothe work.
He was up there rolling hissleeves up, getting there,
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getting dirty, doing the workwith them, and he put as much
hard work as he asked them to do, and so he wasn't sitting in
his desk telling people to doone thing and him not being
involved.
He was out there, you know,busting it and getting it done,
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and I think people reallyrespect a leader that they know
is going to be in there with thetrenches with them.
And he was.
And they rallied and, yes, theyhad some challenges because
people were trying to tear thewalls down and keep them
distracted and Nehemiah saidwe're not going to let that
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distract us, we're going tofocus on our mission.
And they got it done.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, All I can think of is I usually say my wife
needs to listen to the podcast.
But I'm really hoping she does?
She wants me to knock down ourpaved walls with paved stone and
put up stone walls all the wayaround the front of our yard on
our flower beds and everything.
And she's going to be like I'mthe leader, let me help you,
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I'll guard you while you do that.
I'll guard you.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I'll guard you.
You go do it.
You go tear that up.
I'll sit here with some icedtea and I'll watch you.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
You just need to have the desire to do it and the
passion, and I'll watch you andI'll be the leader to help you.
So, I have sort of mixedfeelings if she's going to
listen to this one.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, oh well.
Well, let's talk about someleadership principles that I
think are very important, andwe've already talked about a few
, are very important and we'vealready talked about a few.
But here's one of the thingsthat I think in developing
leaders, it's important to learn.
The first step is to learn thehistory.
So what we see in Nehemiah isthat he got on a donkey or a
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horse and went around the cityand surveyed the issue, the
damage of the wall.
He did it at night, just to notcreate suspicion, but he
learned the history of it, helearned the context of it, he
learned what had to be done, heunderstood the strengths, the
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weaknesses, the materials.
So before he even startedrallying the troops, he had to
do his homework.
And I think that's what areally good leader does.
They do their homework, theyinvestigate.
Now they might assign that tosomeone to do that work, but
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they don't just jump out andstart doing something.
But they don't just jump outand start doing something.
They do their homework, they dotheir research and they want to
learn as much as possiblebefore they initiate their
strategy.
And then the second so afteryou do your homework, you learn
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about what needs to be done.
And then the second thing isyou've got to walk your talk and
you've got to demonstrate byyour own actions that you're
willing to be a part of thesolution.
You're not just going todictate this, whatever, and so
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you're going to live it out,you're going to be authentic
about it, you're going to betransparent about it, and I
think what that does is givesyou credibility to be the leader
.
You've earned that right, whichreally leads to the third part,
and that is leading.
Sometimes, leaders, you've gotto make hard decisions, keep
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distractions away, keep themfocused, and so those are things
If you just think about thosethree principles, for just a lot
of different things.
Say, you're the team captain ofa softball team, softball season
is getting ready to kick offand you're just going to get out
there.
You can say, well, let's justgather at the field tonight at
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eight o'clock, you know, andjust start playing.
Well, you know, you haven'tlooked at your equipment since
last August.
You don't even know if theballs are still good, if the
bats are broken are still good.
If the bats are broken, no,it's like.
No, take some time, do yourresearch.
Hey guys, we need some moreequipment.
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We've got we've only got twosoftballs.
We need at least a dozen.
We've got no bats.
I don't know what happened tothem, but they're gone.
I mean, so you do your researchand then you lead, and that's
part of leadership is learningand doing your research.
All right, I've changed my mind.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I need my wife to listen to this one, I'm not
saying a word, brother.
You know, we had the firstbaseball practice of the season
and it was a funny thing and myson was jumping over one of
those little concrete things andhe the backpack weighed so much
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that he went backwards andlanded on the backpack.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
And she goes what do you have in this backpack?
What do you have in hisbaseball thing?
I'm like, did you look in there?
And she goes no, I'm like, well, I have two of my gloves, I
have my baseball bat in thereand I had four or five balls in
there.
If you could have looked inthere before you went, then you
would have took half the stuffout, because it's mine.
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I just combined it, threw it inthe garage and put all the
stuff in there, but they failedto look at it.
They just threw it on and went.
And I'm like, okay, so againnow.
I don't want her to listen, butI do want her to listen to hear
that story.
You know, looking andpre-planning and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Well, I just think it's part of the research, you
know it's just part of theleading is doing research, and
and in an organization likeright now, uh, in this church,
it's a, it's a large church.
It's uh, uh, it's a greatchurch.
This is their 175th year ofbeing a church.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Uh, yeah, so they were started in 1850 um and
right down there they they'rewhat I gotta figure out where
the original sites, I can bringmy metal detector down.
Okay, so the original site downthere.
I got to figure out where theoriginal site is so I can bring
my metal detector down.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Okay, so the original site was down by the river and
then they moved to Fifth andJackson, which is just down from
downtown, down by the MagnoliaPalace, and then they moved out
to Cobbs and Lake Eyre back inthe 60s.
And then they moved out toCobbs and Lake Eyre back in the
60s and so when I was here atBaylor back in the 70s, the
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education building of that 5thand Jackson location was still
standing.
It's no longer standing, it'sgone.
You know, the Gaines have donesuch an incredible job in
helping build Waco up andthey've really helped put Waco
up.
Uh, and there's just uh,they've really put, helped put
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Waco back on the map.
Uh and uh, it's really good.
What's going on downtown.
It's just incredible and it'snot just them, but they were a
huge catalyst in making all thathappen.
And uh, and now it's just kindof growing and things are
happening and it's just exciting.
It's exciting little town to bein.
So let's just ask this aboutsports what do you call a
nervous javelin thrower Anervous javelin thrower?
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What do you call a nervousjavelin thrower?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Person that wants to get to the point.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
How about Shakespeare ?
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Shakespeare.
All right, what do you call aknight who is afraid to fight?
How about that?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I'll throw it back at you A knight who is afraid to
fight?
Are we doing this in rhymes?
Is that what we're doing?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I mean you're throwing out the javelin, I'm
going to go.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah, I don't know what do you call a night that's
afraid to fight.
Surrender, surrender.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Oh my gosh, I told you I'd bring a few better dad
jokes, yeah you did.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I'm glad you're doing that research.
Um, yeah, okay.
So superheroes, you knowsuperheroes.
I haven't seen the latestsuperhero movie, but my favorite
superhero is Typo man.
Typo man, huh, typo man, uh-huh.
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So what's Typo man?
Do he rights all the wrongs?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
But I'm bum Bum-choo, I'm pumped Bumptune.
I'm going to work on that.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Where's?
Speaker 1 (23:02):
your buttons, man.
No, I just don't think they'regoing over there.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Okay, where do saplings go to learn?
This is spring, you know littletrees are coming.
Where do saplings go to learn?
I don't know how.
About elementary school?
Where do saplings go to learn?
I don't know how aboutelementary school.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I'm pumped.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
How do you fix a broken tomato?
How do I fix a broken tomato?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I use it in salsa With tomato paste, of course.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Oh, of course, with tomato paste.
Of course, oh, of course withtomato paste, of course.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Oh, my goodness, um, what do you call?
Uh?
What do you get if you cross asnake with a lego set?
Speaker 2 (23:51):
oh, I think I've heard this one, but I don't
remember what a boa constructor.
Oh boa constructor, oh a boaconstructor.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Oh my goodness.
You know I had a few of them inthe thing.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
You know, up here in Dallas I was reading the
newspaper, there was a robberyup at the Ikea store in Dallas
and the police department aretrying to solve this big
unsolved robbery.
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They're just having a hard timeputting all the pieces together
.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
All right, last one for me.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
What did the door knocker win?
What was?
Speaker 1 (24:37):
the question what did the person who invented the
door knocker win.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
What was the?
Speaker 1 (24:40):
question what did the person who invented the door
knocker?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
win.
Oh, let's see, I don't know.
I've heard this one before.
I don't remember A Nobel.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Prize.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
A Nobel Prize oh.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
All right, that's my last one.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Is that the last one?
Okay, so Diana and I went tothe movie.
I'm home on Thursday night,friday night.
So we went to the movie lastFriday night.
I won't say what movie, but itwas definitely wasted our money
and we also.
The popcorn was horrible, so wewon't talk about that.
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But she asked me.
She said how are we going tosneak some candy into the movie
theater?
And I said that's a greatquestion, but I have a few
twixts in my sleeve.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
All right, Wonderful wonderful.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Okay, one last one.
One last one.
I know how did the owl managehis bad breath.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I do not know.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Altoids.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Altoids, that's pretty good word, I like that.
I got one more question you gotone more.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Oh question, Is this about Ezra and Nehemiah?
Or just some random questionlike what's for lunch?
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I was going to ask you about it and I guess, daniel
, it was wrote in differentlanguages or something.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, daniel, I'm trying to remember the history
behind that.
I'm thinking it was written inAramaic instead of just Hebrew.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
It's kind of combined Hebrew to Aramaic, to back to
Hebrew or something.
Yeah, Because that was one ofthe things I when my research.
I just didn't know if there wasany thoughts or hypothesis on
this.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
I'm sure there is.
I've forgotten that, but Ithink the first chapter or so is
written in Hebrew, and thenit's Aramaic, which is the
spoken language that many peoplespoke during the time of Jesus,
and then the last part of thebook of Daniel is written back
in Hebrew.
So that's an interesting.
I just thought it was prettyinteresting how.
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Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, it's very interesting Show tidbit.
When my pre-show research thatI, you know, I was going to ask
you either on air or I was goingto call you right after this
and go, I forgot to ask you aquestion, but I figured I'd
throw it in there.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
So yeah, that's a good question.
That's a good question.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
But other than that, dr Posey, I mean, here you are,
you're still on that J-O-B downthere as an interim, you know?
Yep, you're in Waco area.
Stop by and see Dr P do theSunday sermon.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
You can get online as well, right?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah, it's called First Waco, so First Methodist
Waco, I think.
The website firstwacocom andthere's.
You can watch it live.
You can watch it recorded.
We have two services.
I preach at both of them.
Well, we actually have fourcampuses.
I'm only preaching at the maincampus.
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We have other pastors that areexceptionally good that preach
at the other campuses and so,but I'm honored to be at the
main one, and so any campus thatyou choose is good, and it's
just been good.
So I'm here for about anothermonth and a half, until the end
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of April, and then the newpastor, dr Mike Voits, is coming
.
He's actually a professor at aseminary in Wilmore, kentucky,
right now.
He was on staff at this churchback in the 90s, right after
seminary, and so they've calledhim to be the new senior pastor,
and so I'm going to fill thatrole until he gets here.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
I love it, I love it, I love it, yeah, so I'm excited
for you.
I know that's always a funthing when you can do that.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
It's a fun thing.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
If you didn't know the story, this is full circle.
You know where he started andwhere he's going to.
Well, I don't know, he mighthave like 12 more churches.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I don't know.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
You never know how it works.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
You never know.
So next week, I think, we'regoing to discuss at least on the
calendar we're going to discussthe book of Esther.
What an incredible woman shewas.
We can learn so much from herfaithfulness to God, and so we
(29:15):
look forward to talking aboutthat, and so we look forward to
talking about that.
We're getting to the pointwhere we're almost to the end of
the Old Testament.
We've just got a few more weeksto go and then we'll start on
the New Testament.
It's been a fun journey, and ifthis is your first week to join
us, I say thank you so much forjoining us.
(29:36):
We've been working on the booksof the Bible one at a time,
sometimes, like today, two at atime since last August.
The goal is to finish all thebooks and the leadership
principles of each book by theend of the summer, and so we
thank you for joining us.
Tell someone else about theBiblical Leadership Show, and we
(29:59):
just appreciate you listening,absolutely we do the Biblical
Leadership Show and we justappreciate listening.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Absolutely we do, and check us out.
Send us texts, send us prayerrequests, whatever you might
have.
Check us outbiblicalleadershipshowcom and
other than that.
Dr P, I'm going to see you nextweek or I'm going to talk to
you next week and we'll see whatwe can do to put together a
little Esther meeting, maybe.
Maybe we'll see you, or maybeI'll just see you from a hundred
(30:26):
miles away.
And uh, check us out.
Biblicalleadershipshowcom andDr Peep takes out and make it a
great day.
Great day, thanks guys.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
All right, bye.
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