June 24, 2025 • 33 mins
What can ancient wisdom teach us about modern leadership challenges? The leadership principles demonstrated by Jesus in Matthew chapters 14-15 offer a masterclass in effective leadership that transcends time and context.
When Jesus walks on water, He shows more than supernatural power—He reveals the importance of knowing your team well enough to recognize when they're struggling. Peter's momentary success and subsequent failure on the waves beautifully illustrates how leaders must be attentive to their people's needs, ready to reach out before they have to ask for help. How many of your team members might be silently sinking while you remain unaware?
The feeding of thousands with minimal resources challenges our assumptions about what's needed for success. Rather than focusing on what's lacking, Jesus demonstrates creative problem-solving with available resources. This prompts us to ask: are we nurturing creativity in our organizations, or simply demanding more resources? A resourceful team with limited means often accomplishes more than a well-funded team lacking innovation.
Perhaps most revolutionary is Jesus' equal treatment of all people in a deeply divided society. From the Canaanite woman whose faith He commended to the religious leaders who opposed Him, Jesus showed consistent dignity and respect to everyone He encountered. This radical equality challenges today's leaders to examine their own biases and preferential treatments. Do all your team members feel equally valued, heard, and respected?
The Wycliffe Bible Translators identify six qualities of servant leadership evident in Jesus' approach: integrity, humility, flexibility, resilience, stewardship of resources, and empathy. Together, these qualities form a leadership paradigm that builds sustainable, healthy organizations where people thrive.
By focusing on serving rather than being served, treating everyone with equal dignity, knowing your people deeply, and cultivating creativity with available resources, you create teams that not only achieve objectives but transform lives. What might be possible if today's leaders embraced these timeless principles?
Join us as we continue exploring biblical leadership principles that remain surprisingly relevant in today's complex leadership landscape.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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marty, welcome, welcome, welcome.
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There we are, there we go Justfor Dr P.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yes, thank you so much how you doing.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I feel so good here in the studio with that kind of
welcome.
It is great, great to be in thestudio.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
And it gets to see your pirate costume.
I and I get to see your piratecostume.
I know you get to see my piratecostume.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I had my pirate costume sitting up there Shiver
me timbers.
You got to understand my office.
I got a big training center,but from time to time I host
birthday parties for some of myfriends and do things, Because
I've got a pretty large spacehere, and so we had a pirate
themed birthday party.
So I had my pirate wig overthere and I knew that it was
over there and I hadn't eventhought about it.
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I was like how much he'swondering, you know, walking in
and seeing what this, that bigdog looking thing stuck on a
microphone, is over there.
So I put on my pirate wig tocome, come in the studio today.
So did you once have hair thatlong?
I you know, actually I minewasn't that long it wasn't quite
that long, but it if I washedit it would go down that long.
I had curly hair.
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It would curl up.
Curl up about.
You know, past my collar, aboutyeah, I've been back and
everything.
But when I washed it it went alittle bit longer, but you had
long hair too uh, when I hadhair yeah, I understand well I.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
when I was growing up , the rule in the house was you
could not have hair that touchedyour ears, so it was cut
frequently.
But when I left for college andI could actually grow my hair,
then I did until it startedfalling out a couple years later
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.
So I took advantage of it.
That was a short period in mylife.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Well, I would say mine wasn't a mullet, but it was
pretty close.
Oh wow, yeah, because it waslong on top.
Going down the back it was allcurly, but I did have it a
little bit shorter on the side.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
So it might have been almost that mullet thing, the
pre-mullet.
Yeah, it was there Set thestage for the mullet huh.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, that was a different thing so.
I don't mind the mullets, right,you don't mind them you know,
the only thing I think back if Iwould have done it is back in
school.
All the seniors went mohawkswhen I was a freshman and me and
my buddy he wanted to really doit and I was like I don't know,
I was a little bit shyer backthen.
Now I've been like, oh yeah,let's go shave it, let's do it,
not a problem.
So everybody got mohawks and Iwish I would have got the mohawk
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back then.
But back then I was just alittle bit more quiet, a little
bit more freshman-ish, you know.
So, uh, so yeah, so there it is, hey, right.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
It does.
Well, I can't say that anymore,I'd be afraid to do it.
I was like, no, I haven't mowedfor like five years.
We did a.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Halloween costume and I shaved my head for a
Halloween costume because I wasall in on Halloween so I had to
shave my head for Halloween.
But yeah, it grew back sort ofand it's still sort of someone
up there.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Tag.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I've got a few more than you how about that.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I think that sometimes hair is so overrated.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, exactly, we need to find some hair dad jokes
.
We probably can.
Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Here we go.
That was a good segue into that.
I live out in the country.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yes, you do.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
So today I saw a line of rabbits hopping backwards,
yes.
What is it called?
It's called a receding hairline.
Are you kidding me, man.
You cued that up really nice.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
You've got to understand something, guys.
I had no clue.
No clue, what Dr P putstogether for his dad jokes every
show.
That was just good radio prep,podcast prep, good setup there,
that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
You cued me up so nicely.
Thank you so much.
Awesome yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Well, if you've been with us for a couple weeks, we
have been starting the NewTestament and we've been
bouncing around Matthew here fora couple weeks, and I don't
know, we might be bouncingaround Matthew for a couple more
weeks.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
you know it's a great book.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Here's the thing you know we're getting in the New
Testament and some of these haveso much, you know, lessons and
leadership and parables andmessages that are there that we
need to break them down.
And you know we're going tocontinue on.
Today we're going to pick upMatthew 14, 15.
We might talk about thatwalking on water thing that we
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really didn't get to last time,but you know, and then we'll see
where it takes.
You know, see where we can getthrough, but we are in Matthew
today and sort of give us arecap of the earlier Matthews
that we've talked about through1 through 14.
Just give us a brief overviewin case people are kidding us in
between shows or something.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Well, first of all, let's just talk about probably
the second most asked question Iwas asked in my ministry and
that is how does the Bible applyto my life today?
Right, okay, I tried to answerthat every week when I was
preaching or when I was teaching.
I tried to answer that questionbecause I didn't want it just
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to be a history lesson, I didn'twant it just to be a
theological discourse orsomething for a religious
magazine or something for areligious magazine.
I wanted to know how does thisbook of incredible history apply
to my life today?
Well, it depends on the filterthat we look at it through.
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And so, right now, in our showand for the last year and a half
we've been doing this we lookat through the filter of
leadership.
What can this book teach usabout leadership?
Whether we are leading asoftball team, a scout troop,
whether we're leading the bakerydown the street and we're the
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owner, maybe we have a hardwarestore, maybe we have a
multimillion-dollar corporationwith hundreds of employees,
there are some biblicalleadership principles.
That applies to all of us.
And so here in the book ofMatthew, as we transition from
the Old Testament to the NewTestament, we see the focus now
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is on Jesus and servantleadership, humility.
In the first chapter of Matthewwe talked about the genealogy
and how every person isimportant.
And in your organization isevery person important, or do
some people just you know?
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Do you treat them the same?
And then we go to chapter twowith the wise men and taking a
risk of stepping out and doingsomething they really believed
in.
And then we go to chapter threewith John the Baptist and his
boldness.
Then we go to chapter 4 withJesus in the wilderness for 40
days and you know, preparinghimself for his ministry and
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then him calling the disciplesafter that.
And he's setting up, from thevery beginning of his ministry,
this session plan and traininghis leaders, training his people
.
How much time do we put intraining our people?
Then we get to the Sermon onthe Mount, chapter 5, 6, and 7,
really talking about how much isGod a priority in our life?
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What are our priorities?
You know, I worked for a bossone time that his priority
before 30, he wanted to be amillionaire.
Well, unfortunately he rippedhis employees off to do that and
I quit.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I was like no, I can't work for a person like
that.
I know We've had stories likethat.
I had the same thing, you know,and one of mine.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
And so Jesus is talking about that, but he's
also talking about character,and character matters.
What's inside of us really doesmatter, because what's inside
of us will eventually come onthe outside and people will see
it.
The people close to us theyknow when we're fake, they know
when we're real.
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Sure yeah, and we might foolsome people for a while, but
eventually they're going to seewhat's really inside of us.
And so, jesus, talking aboutthat, that our character, his
desire for our character, is tobe godly.
How do we do that?
And there are certain steps,there are certain practices,
certain things that, over time,have been proven.
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For if you want to go down thatroad which we encourage
everybody to do then these arethe steps that can get you into
that thing.
And so then we get out of theSermon on the Mount and we get
to some.
Jesus starts to, he calls hisdisciples before and he starts
to train them.
He starts to send them out,he's starting to trust them,
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he's given them authority, he'sgiven them responsibility, he's
teaching them, he's trainingthem.
And responsibility, he'steaching them, he's training
them.
And then we get to chapter 13,and he gets to that's a lot of
parables.
So he's teaching people, butthen he explains them when he's
in private.
So the leadership principle washow much are you teaching and
training your people and do theyreally understand what you're
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trying to say?
Are you communicating clearlyand not just to your people on
your social media, youradvertising what you're trying
to say, are you communicatingclearly and not just to your
people on your social media,your, you know, your advertising
or everything else?
Is it very clear as to whatyou're?
Um, um, here, here's the thing.
I was in Waco, obviously here acouple months ago.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Um and I'm glad you're back.
I'm glad I'm back.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, it was great, but I'm glad I'm back.
Um, but there was a shopping, ahuge shopping center right by
the hotel where I stayed at.
It was an extended stay hotelin the south of town and I would
drive through there.
There's a couple of restaurantsin there, so I'd drive through
there, you know going torestaurants, and there were
several businesses that had thename of it.
It even had a sign out frontbut I could not tell from the
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name of the company what in theworld their product was.
I saw people in the building butit's like is that a restaurant,
is that a clothing store?
Because I couldn't tell andthere was nothing on their
building, there was nothingabout their name that gave me
any indication of what they wereabout.
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And it's like okay, well,somebody knows what they're
about because somebody's inthere, but I can't tell what
they're about.
So the question is are youcommunicating what you're about
by your whatever it is, yourtagline, your name, your social
media presence, or is itconfusing to people?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I just got a little story made me think of it's
funny, funny.
We were driving and I asked thekids I go where do you guys?
Let's go to dinner, is thereany place you want to eat?
And my son's like I don't know,just Mexican restaurant, let's
go to a Mexican restaurant.
And seriously this is going tobe.
We were driving down the roadand literally two blocks away we
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look over no name on thecompany name on the building.
It just said Mexican restaurant.
So I pulled in.
I'm like will this work?
He's like Mexican restaurant.
He goes.
But what is this place?
I'm like it's a Mexicanrestaurant.
Still had no name of thebuilding or anything, what it
was.
It just said Mexican restaurant.
So it made us laugh.
I'm like it's a Mexicanrestaurant.
Still had no name of thebuilding or anything, what it
was.
It just said Mexican restaurant.
So it made us laugh.
I'm like, well, we're noteating here.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
That's pretty funny, but in ways you want it.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I took a picture of it.
It's pretty funny there you go,there you go.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
So now we come to a chapter.
Well, jesus walks on the water,and that just shows his power
over nature.
And that just shows his powerover nature, yeah, I was going
to ask you know.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
A lot of times people ask you know, ask me, why does
Jesus walk on water?
What's the purpose of that?
And I think you were justgetting into it.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, he's got the power over nature and his
disciples were out in a boat andyou know they were trying to
get across.
That wasn't happening.
So he just comes and walks tothem and then we see Peter.
Peter, only person in humanhistory, other than Jesus, that
actually walked on water and hetook his eyes off.
Jesus started sinking.
Jesus reached down and pulledhim up.
Now, what a great leadershipprinciple.
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How much do we know our peopleto know that when they're in
trouble okay, whatever troublethat might be they might be
dealing with a moral issue, theymight be dealing with a
relationship issue, they mightbe dealing with a relationship
issue?
Do we know our people wellenough that when they're in
trouble, we know and we canreach out to them?
And so that's you know.
You can't.
If you have a big company, youcan't know everybody.
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But the question is do you knowyour small group?
Do?
you know your five or six mainleaders, or your three or four
main leaders?
Do you know them well enoughand you're transparent with them
to know, hey, this person isgoing through a difficult time
or hey, their child justgraduated from high school or
college?
I know I need to give themmaybe some time off, because
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that's one of those times inlife that only comes once and I
want to give them some time offso they can be with their family
.
And knowing that about yourpeople just develops loyalty and
trust.
And you give somebody hey, Iknow your son is graduating from
, or your daughter's graduatingfrom, high school, you know,
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next week.
Why don't you take the Thursdayand Friday off and just be with
your family?
you know, Wow, if you initiatethat instead of the person
asking you know how much you'regoing to increase in their mind
of like, this person really doescare about me, and so that, to
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me, is what a great leadershipprinciple is getting to know
your people and being proactivein taking care of their needs.
And we see that with Jesus allthe time.
Okay, and sometimes peoplewould come to Jesus for healing.
He never turned anybody away.
He would listen to them, hewould meet their needs.
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He had met them right wherethey were, just the way they
were.
But he encouraged them hey,don't go back and go do that sin
again.
I've changed you so you wouldlead a different kind of life.
And so we see that over and overagain.
And when we come to chapter 15,we see an incredible story
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about a Canaanite woman and shehad a daughter who was severely
sick and Jesus was there and sheasked Him to heal and he said
I've only been sent to the houseof Israel.
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And she said well, even thedogs eat the scraps from under
the table.
And Jesus said hey, your faithis great.
And so he recognized somethingin the people great.
And so he recognized somethingin the people and that Jesus was
a master at recognizing thosesmall seeds of faith in people
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and then took them and just madethat just bigger.
And so the question is do yourecognize that in your people?
Do you recognize those small,let's just say, glimpses of
talent or inspiration orwhatever?
And you take advantage of thatand just make it bigger and give
them maybe some extra specialassignment to see if you can
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draw out that talent.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Let's talk about that real fast because some people
might not be.
You know, first time in theBible, how does the different
divisions you know a lot of thepeople didn't talk to the other
people to this, where there'svery big divides out there, you
know.
So you sort of touched on itright where he was like oh, you
know.
So let's maybe sort of explainthat.
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You know what the mentality wasback then a little bit.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Well, first of all, unfortunately, some of that's
still going on today.
You know you have differentcultures, different prejudices.
A big prejudice was men lookingdown on women.
They didn't see them as equals,which is so tragic and that
would happen for centuries.
And Jesus didn't feel that way.
Some of his most loyalfollowers were women and some of
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his big supporters financiallywere women.
We see that in the Scriptureand we see that the first
witness to the resurrection wasa woman.
So Jesus had a high value ofnot just women but every person.
He saw the best in people,people and that particular time,
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just like today, because ofdifferent cultures, different
religions, different languages,different faiths, whatever there
was a lot of prejudice, therewas a lot of bias towards
different races or differentpeople.
And Jesus was trying to unifypeople by love, not by dividing
people because of skin color ortheir faith, tradition or their
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language or whatever.
And Jesus was a master at that.
Not everybody accepted that,but anyway he was a master of
that, but anyway he was a masterof that.
And so we see, just abouteverywhere he went, he dealt
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with people with kindness,compassion and mercy.
And so, whether it was thiswoman who was a Canaanite who
wasn't Jewish, or it was aJewish person, whether it was a
person whose daughter was sick,whose son was sick, or a person
who was blind or mute orwhatever blind, he treated them
all the same.
And so what a great principlefor us if we wanted to.
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How do we treat our people?
And we talked about this before.
Jesus was a master of treatingeverybody the same.
Not everybody respected him.
We had the religious leadersyou know want to get rid of him
because he was kind of creatinga new paradigm of how to view
God, and they didn't like thatat all.
And he was upset in the applecart and so they eventually
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killed him.
But the question was, he did itbecause he was living out the
love that God has for us, thatGod loves everybody the same.
There's not one person that heloves more than he loves another
person.
And we see that Sometimes wethink, well, I've done all this
bad stuff, god can't love me.
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No, anything we do does notdecrease God's love for us.
It's still abundant, it's stillincredible, and nothing we can
do will ever decrease God's lovefor us, and that's what I think
the message.
We start beginning to see thathere a lot in chapter 15 of
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Matthew, as he heals differentpeople, he talks to different
people, he's traveling aroundthe country and training His
disciples to feel the exact sameway.
It took a while for that tohappen in His disciples because
they were arguing, they weretrying to be who's the best,
who's first?
That's just human nature.
And then we see, you know,Jesus fed 4,000 people.
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He fed 5,000 people.
What a great lesson here.
Let's just take that for aminute.
Let's talk about the feeding ofthe 5,000, feeding of the 4,000
.
So you had a little boy withfive loaves and two fish.
He comes and some people saythe miracle was that everybody
shared their lunch.
I don't believe that.
I believe that Jesus actuallymultiplied the resources.
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So the question is whatresources do we have and do we
see unlimited possibilities inthe limited resources?
Sometimes we think what we needare more resources.
Maybe what we need is morecreativity, so we can get more
out of less.
Okay, I would rather have anemployee with very little
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resources but a lot ofcreativity and energy than a
person who is, let's just say,not creative.
I don't give them unlimitedbudget, but a lot of budget, and
they don't have to be creative,they don't have to be
resourceful.
I'd rather have someone who'sresourceful and creative with a
limited budget, and withchurches a lot of times that's
what we had was limited budget,and so let them be creative, let
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them do something.
That's just amazing, becausethey had to be creative and you
want those people that can bevery creative.
They can look at something andsee something that you don't see
, you just need to give thempermission to do it, and so that
, to me, is good leadership.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, yeah, it's in my email signature hire for
attitude, train for everythingelse right, you can give them
the tools.
I just need somebody that'sgoing to show up.
That fits the mold of somebodythat wants to be here.
Right, and sometimes that's oneof the biggest things is show
up and have that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
And so one of the things that we began to see and
this is an entire book ofMatthew, it was that Jesus was
really good at leading himself.
He took care of himself.
He got up in the morning, heprayed, he took care of himself.
He got up in the morning, heprayed, he took care of himself
physically.
And so I think that's whereleadership starts is
self-leadership precedes teamleadership and public leadership
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.
So are we taking care ofourself physically?
Are we taking care of ourselvesspiritually, emotionally?
Are we taking care of ourselvesfinancially?
And not to exclude that, wehave to be so focused on our
ourselves that we can't focus onothers, but we need to think
how am I taking care of myself?
Am I being a good example formy people?
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Am I doing that?
Well?
And Jesus was just a master atthat.
And then we talked about, youknow, he had his 12, he had his
three, he sent out the 70, hetaught the multitudes.
He had a private ministry witha few and he had a public
ministry with many, but over allof that, his whole thing was a
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leader, is a servant.
So he wanted his 12 to be thebest followers he could be,
whatever it took, you knowwhatever sacrifice I have to
make to make my followers thebest they can be.
And so the question is how muchare we pouring into our people?
Do we want you know, our people, our sales rep, to be the best
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sales rep the company has everhad, and what are we doing to
help them become that?
Are we wanting our financeperson to be the best finance
person they can be, or do wehave the right equipment?
Do we have the right computer?
Do we have software?
Do they need some training?
What can we do as the leader tohelp them become the best they
can be?
And that, to me, is servantleadership.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
So that leads us up to, you know, one of my notes
here on 16,.
You know, Peter sort of buys inthat Jesus is the Messiah right
, and this is where Jesus startspredicting his death.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
And I guess that sort of you know.
How do you think that went overwith the disciples?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I think they were shocked and in full denial at
the beginning.
I mean, here's this guy they'vebeen with for a couple of years
, you know, they've traveledtogether, they've eaten together
, they've done ministry togetherand all of a sudden, jesus is
starting to tell them hey, I'mnot going to be around forever.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
I mean, that's their whole life.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Now, right yeah, their whole life is revolved
around this guy.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I stopped everything and followed you and now you're
saying you're going to justabandon ship on us.
I mean that's an interestingthing.
It took a while.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
So we see that Jesus began to do it subtly, but then
he became more and more.
It took a while.
So we see that Jesus began todo it subtly, but then he became
more and more.
The more he got to where he wasgoing to be crucified, the more
he began to be very, very clearthat there's going to be an end
to my life here on earth.
I'm not going to abandon you.
They had no idea what thatmeant yet.
They found out on the day ofPentecost but I want to make
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sure that you all get it.
You know that you're going tobe the one you know.
Just think about this.
The god of all creation camedown as a human okay, fully god,
fully human and he trusted 12guys to carry on his work right
okay, 12 sinful men to carry onhis work, but he had done
everything he felt he needed todo in those three years to train
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them for the task.
Now, after he died, they werescared because they felt that
their lives were next, but heempowered them to do the work
and we'll get to that maybe nextweek, about his death and
resurrection, but the wholething up until we see that Jesus
talking about and even talksabout.
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You know, those who want to befirst need to be last.
You need to be a servant, andso I did some research.
I read an article from theWycliffe Bible Translators at
Aaron South Dallas.
They do incredible work andhave done for decades, but they
had an article back in Septemberon their website about the
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qualities of a servant leader,and so I just want to repeat
this as we close out today.
I just want to repeat what theysaid from the Wycliffe Bible
translators, because they dealwith this all the time in their
translations.
But there were six qualities ofa servant leader, and we've
talked about these before, butmaybe not in this order.
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One was integrity, one washumility, one was flexibility,
one was resilience, one wasbeing a steward of resources and
one was empathy.
And so if we look at all ofthose as we are as leaders, it's
a whole different paradigm ofhow we lead people.
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Integrity was their number onething.
And I'm thinking, yeah, youknow, we walk our talk, we're a
person of our word.
We treat people with respect,but we're humble about it and we
don't like feel that we'reGod's gift to the world.
We admit when we're wrong.
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We seek advice if we needadvice, and then flexibility.
You know we might be going downa path and we realize, you know
what, that might not be theright way.
We might need to listen to thepeople and do this, and so it
was a great list.
But that's what Jesus was allabout, was you know, having
(27:06):
being a servant leader, servingyour people and then pouring
your life into them so they canbe the best they can be.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
You know, and that's one of the things is, you know,
it's believing in your peoplemaking you better.
I always tell people I'd ratherbe surrounded by people that
are 12 times as good as me right.
You know every day of the week,so yeah.
I don't have to be the smartestperson in the room.
Don't want to be the smartestperson in the room.
I want to empower everybodyelse to be the smartest person
in the room yeah, and that to methat's a good leader is they're
(27:35):
not threatened.
Um, I, you know, and the peoplethat you work with, uh,
everybody so many people getthreatened, right, you know,
they don't want to tell them,they don't want to delegate.
They don't want to tell them,they don't want to delegate.
They don't want to keep allthese cards to themselves.
Right, I'm going to keep thecards to myself.
That way, nobody has all theinformation to do what I do,
because they'll replace me.
Yeah.
(27:56):
It doesn't work that way.
The more you empower yourpeople, the more you raise them
to the next level.
It takes you up to a higherlevel, because they're even at a
higher level, so anyway mysoapbox.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I could get on that.
Yeah, you talk about that a lotin your seminars.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
So where are we going ?
We made it a little bit moredown the road, right, I think we
made it to like chapter 19.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
So next time we'll talk about the last week of
Jesus' life, which is, you know,we talk about that with Palm
Sunday life, which is, you know,we talk about that with Palm
Sunday.
And then we'll talk about thetrial and the crucifixion,
resurrection, and now thosestories are repeated in the
(28:39):
Gospels.
All right, so I think it'simportant for us to, if you
haven't heard the story, ormaybe you haven't heard it in a
long time, to justre-familiarize ourselves with
that.
And then the question is whatare the leadership principles
that we can learn from that?
And there's obviously a bunch,and we'll get to those, see if
we time this.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
We've got to time this with Easter a while back
right, but look at us, you knowbut yeah, I'm enjoying this, you
know.
but yeah, that's, that's I.
I've been, I'm enjoying this,you know, and and I think
there's just so much to unpackthrough all these chapters it's
it's sort of amazing, you know,how much you can get out of this
and and I'm I'm just curious,because a lot of these things,
(29:21):
you know, they start to overlap.
I think we're going to be ableto pull different ideas out of
this.
I think this taking the time inMatthew is very important,
because then when we'reunwrapping them in Mark and some
of these other chapters, thenwe've already sort of unwrapped
it.
We start unwrapping and then wecan go even a little bit deeper
, dive on some of these thatwe're talking about.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I totally agree with that, yeah, so other than that,
you know, I guess running at theend of this thing the only
(30:03):
thing that I'm lacking here drposey is some dad jokes to close
this thing out.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
So yeah, so I had a boss one time that said you're
never going to advance in yourapplause because, uh, I am last
minute tim right okay.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
So what did the cactus wear to his job interview
?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
cactus wear to his job interview.
Oh see that constructionlanguage.
Come on me.
I.
I already had a joke there, butit wasn't.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I can't go where I want to go with it.
Where's my mute?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
button.
I can tell you off line I donot know.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
He wore a cacti All right, okay, what has more
letters than the alphabet.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
What has more letters than the alphabet?
Speaker 2 (30:53):
The post office.
All right, fair enough.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
All right, I got nothing.
Here's the thing.
My jokes are just groanersright?
Oh well I don't ever have thoseRight.
But you've got 500,000 jokes infront of you.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
You just scroll down and usually I'm doing all the
show prep.
I don't have 500,000.
All right, 450,000.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
So I'm usually in the business.
I'm going to make a commitmentnext week I'm going to come up
with some good dad jokes.
I'm going to search the highsand lows and come up with some
good ones.
So, anyway, you started askingme a question before I went down
that path.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I don't remember what that was.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Okay, great, you had another dad joke.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I have so many dad jokes.
The question is, how do I wantto end the show this week?
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Oh well, I could throw in a construction one.
Like some of my guys, they'reso slow.
I sort of call them snails,right.
But how do snails fight?
Have you ever thought aboutthat?
How do snails fight?
Have you ever thought aboutthat?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
How do snails fight?
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Guys are slow, they're like snails sometimes,
but really how do they fight?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
They slug it out.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Slug it out, okay.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Okay here's my last one for the day.
Yeah, please, I can't reach thebutton.
Wow, I'm going to mute that one.
Okay, you know, if there's onething in the world that always
gives me butterflies, what doyou think?
Speaker 1 (32:31):
that is.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
One thing in the world that always gives me
butterflies Flowers,caterpillars.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
All right, I'll give you that All righty.
Well, we're done with the dadjokes.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I think I think we're done.
Our listeners are going.
Please be done with your dadjokes.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Hey, we got to do our dad jokes.
That makes us happy.
All right, guys, Check us outbiblicalleadershipshowcom.
Have a great week.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Let us know if there's anything we can do for
you, but other than that,everybody, make it a great day.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
We'll talk to you next week.
We'll come back.
Finish the book of Matthew,maybe finish the book of Matthew
.
Alright, guys, make it a greatday.
Bye.
uh-huh, now yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on, come on,
marty, welcome, welcome, welcome.
(00:32):
There we are, there we go Justfor Dr P.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yes, thank you so much how you doing.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I feel so good here in the studio with that kind of
welcome.
It is great, great to be in thestudio.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
And it gets to see your pirate costume.
I and I get to see your piratecostume.
I know you get to see my piratecostume.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I had my pirate costume sitting up there Shiver
me timbers.
You got to understand my office.
I got a big training center,but from time to time I host
birthday parties for some of myfriends and do things, Because
I've got a pretty large spacehere, and so we had a pirate
themed birthday party.
So I had my pirate wig overthere and I knew that it was
over there and I hadn't eventhought about it.
(01:11):
I was like how much he'swondering, you know, walking in
and seeing what this, that bigdog looking thing stuck on a
microphone, is over there.
So I put on my pirate wig tocome, come in the studio today.
So did you once have hair thatlong?
I you know, actually I minewasn't that long it wasn't quite
that long, but it if I washedit it would go down that long.
I had curly hair.
(01:32):
It would curl up.
Curl up about.
You know, past my collar, aboutyeah, I've been back and
everything.
But when I washed it it went alittle bit longer, but you had
long hair too uh, when I hadhair yeah, I understand well I.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
when I was growing up , the rule in the house was you
could not have hair that touchedyour ears, so it was cut
frequently.
But when I left for college andI could actually grow my hair,
then I did until it startedfalling out a couple years later
(02:09):
.
So I took advantage of it.
That was a short period in mylife.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Well, I would say mine wasn't a mullet, but it was
pretty close.
Oh wow, yeah, because it waslong on top.
Going down the back it was allcurly, but I did have it a
little bit shorter on the side.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
So it might have been almost that mullet thing, the
pre-mullet.
Yeah, it was there Set thestage for the mullet huh.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, that was a different thing so.
I don't mind the mullets, right,you don't mind them you know,
the only thing I think back if Iwould have done it is back in
school.
All the seniors went mohawkswhen I was a freshman and me and
my buddy he wanted to really doit and I was like I don't know,
I was a little bit shyer backthen.
Now I've been like, oh yeah,let's go shave it, let's do it,
not a problem.
So everybody got mohawks and Iwish I would have got the mohawk
(02:53):
back then.
But back then I was just alittle bit more quiet, a little
bit more freshman-ish, you know.
So, uh, so yeah, so there it is, hey, right.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
It does.
Well, I can't say that anymore,I'd be afraid to do it.
I was like, no, I haven't mowedfor like five years.
We did a.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Halloween costume and I shaved my head for a
Halloween costume because I wasall in on Halloween so I had to
shave my head for Halloween.
But yeah, it grew back sort ofand it's still sort of someone
up there.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Tag.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I've got a few more than you how about that.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I think that sometimes hair is so overrated.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, exactly, we need to find some hair dad jokes
.
We probably can.
Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Here we go.
That was a good segue into that.
I live out in the country.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yes, you do.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
So today I saw a line of rabbits hopping backwards,
yes.
What is it called?
It's called a receding hairline.
Are you kidding me, man.
You cued that up really nice.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
You've got to understand something, guys.
I had no clue.
No clue, what Dr P putstogether for his dad jokes every
show.
That was just good radio prep,podcast prep, good setup there,
that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
You cued me up so nicely.
Thank you so much.
Awesome yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Well, if you've been with us for a couple weeks, we
have been starting the NewTestament and we've been
bouncing around Matthew here fora couple weeks, and I don't
know, we might be bouncingaround Matthew for a couple more
weeks.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
you know it's a great book.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Here's the thing you know we're getting in the New
Testament and some of these haveso much, you know, lessons and
leadership and parables andmessages that are there that we
need to break them down.
And you know we're going tocontinue on.
Today we're going to pick upMatthew 14, 15.
We might talk about thatwalking on water thing that we
(04:54):
really didn't get to last time,but you know, and then we'll see
where it takes.
You know, see where we can getthrough, but we are in Matthew
today and sort of give us arecap of the earlier Matthews
that we've talked about through1 through 14.
Just give us a brief overviewin case people are kidding us in
between shows or something.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Well, first of all, let's just talk about probably
the second most asked question Iwas asked in my ministry and
that is how does the Bible applyto my life today?
Right, okay, I tried to answerthat every week when I was
preaching or when I was teaching.
I tried to answer that questionbecause I didn't want it just
(05:35):
to be a history lesson, I didn'twant it just to be a
theological discourse orsomething for a religious
magazine or something for areligious magazine.
I wanted to know how does thisbook of incredible history apply
to my life today?
Well, it depends on the filterthat we look at it through.
(05:56):
And so, right now, in our showand for the last year and a half
we've been doing this we lookat through the filter of
leadership.
What can this book teach usabout leadership?
Whether we are leading asoftball team, a scout troop,
whether we're leading the bakerydown the street and we're the
(06:19):
owner, maybe we have a hardwarestore, maybe we have a
multimillion-dollar corporationwith hundreds of employees,
there are some biblicalleadership principles.
That applies to all of us.
And so here in the book ofMatthew, as we transition from
the Old Testament to the NewTestament, we see the focus now
(06:41):
is on Jesus and servantleadership, humility.
In the first chapter of Matthewwe talked about the genealogy
and how every person isimportant.
And in your organization isevery person important, or do
some people just you know?
(07:04):
Do you treat them the same?
And then we go to chapter twowith the wise men and taking a
risk of stepping out and doingsomething they really believed
in.
And then we go to chapter threewith John the Baptist and his
boldness.
Then we go to chapter 4 withJesus in the wilderness for 40
days and you know, preparinghimself for his ministry and
(07:28):
then him calling the disciplesafter that.
And he's setting up, from thevery beginning of his ministry,
this session plan and traininghis leaders, training his people
.
How much time do we put intraining our people?
Then we get to the Sermon onthe Mount, chapter 5, 6, and 7,
really talking about how much isGod a priority in our life?
(07:50):
What are our priorities?
You know, I worked for a bossone time that his priority
before 30, he wanted to be amillionaire.
Well, unfortunately he rippedhis employees off to do that and
I quit.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I was like no, I can't work for a person like
that.
I know We've had stories likethat.
I had the same thing, you know,and one of mine.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
And so Jesus is talking about that, but he's
also talking about character,and character matters.
What's inside of us really doesmatter, because what's inside
of us will eventually come onthe outside and people will see
it.
The people close to us theyknow when we're fake, they know
when we're real.
(08:28):
Sure yeah, and we might foolsome people for a while, but
eventually they're going to seewhat's really inside of us.
And so, jesus, talking aboutthat, that our character, his
desire for our character, is tobe godly.
How do we do that?
And there are certain steps,there are certain practices,
certain things that, over time,have been proven.
(08:49):
For if you want to go down thatroad which we encourage
everybody to do then these arethe steps that can get you into
that thing.
And so then we get out of theSermon on the Mount and we get
to some.
Jesus starts to, he calls hisdisciples before and he starts
to train them.
He starts to send them out,he's starting to trust them,
(09:10):
he's given them authority, he'sgiven them responsibility, he's
teaching them, he's trainingthem.
And responsibility, he'steaching them, he's training
them.
And then we get to chapter 13,and he gets to that's a lot of
parables.
So he's teaching people, butthen he explains them when he's
in private.
So the leadership principle washow much are you teaching and
training your people and do theyreally understand what you're
(09:33):
trying to say?
Are you communicating clearlyand not just to your people on
your social media, youradvertising what you're trying
to say, are you communicatingclearly and not just to your
people on your social media,your, you know, your advertising
or everything else?
Is it very clear as to whatyou're?
Um, um, here, here's the thing.
I was in Waco, obviously here acouple months ago.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Um and I'm glad you're back.
I'm glad I'm back.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, it was great, but I'm glad I'm back.
Um, but there was a shopping, ahuge shopping center right by
the hotel where I stayed at.
It was an extended stay hotelin the south of town and I would
drive through there.
There's a couple of restaurantsin there, so I'd drive through
there, you know going torestaurants, and there were
several businesses that had thename of it.
It even had a sign out frontbut I could not tell from the
(10:14):
name of the company what in theworld their product was.
I saw people in the building butit's like is that a restaurant,
is that a clothing store?
Because I couldn't tell andthere was nothing on their
building, there was nothingabout their name that gave me
any indication of what they wereabout.
(10:34):
And it's like okay, well,somebody knows what they're
about because somebody's inthere, but I can't tell what
they're about.
So the question is are youcommunicating what you're about
by your whatever it is, yourtagline, your name, your social
media presence, or is itconfusing to people?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I just got a little story made me think of it's
funny, funny.
We were driving and I asked thekids I go where do you guys?
Let's go to dinner, is thereany place you want to eat?
And my son's like I don't know,just Mexican restaurant, let's
go to a Mexican restaurant.
And seriously this is going tobe.
We were driving down the roadand literally two blocks away we
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look over no name on thecompany name on the building.
It just said Mexican restaurant.
So I pulled in.
I'm like will this work?
He's like Mexican restaurant.
He goes.
But what is this place?
I'm like it's a Mexicanrestaurant.
Still had no name of thebuilding or anything, what it
was.
It just said Mexican restaurant.
So it made us laugh.
I'm like it's a Mexicanrestaurant.
Still had no name of thebuilding or anything, what it
was.
It just said Mexican restaurant.
So it made us laugh.
I'm like, well, we're noteating here.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
That's pretty funny, but in ways you want it.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I took a picture of it.
It's pretty funny there you go,there you go.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
So now we come to a chapter.
Well, jesus walks on the water,and that just shows his power
over nature.
And that just shows his powerover nature, yeah, I was going
to ask you know.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
A lot of times people ask you know, ask me, why does
Jesus walk on water?
What's the purpose of that?
And I think you were justgetting into it.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, he's got the power over nature and his
disciples were out in a boat andyou know they were trying to
get across.
That wasn't happening.
So he just comes and walks tothem and then we see Peter.
Peter, only person in humanhistory, other than Jesus, that
actually walked on water and hetook his eyes off.
Jesus started sinking.
Jesus reached down and pulledhim up.
Now, what a great leadershipprinciple.
(12:30):
How much do we know our peopleto know that when they're in
trouble okay, whatever troublethat might be they might be
dealing with a moral issue, theymight be dealing with a
relationship issue, they mightbe dealing with a relationship
issue?
Do we know our people wellenough that when they're in
trouble, we know and we canreach out to them?
And so that's you know.
You can't.
If you have a big company, youcan't know everybody.
(12:51):
But the question is do you knowyour small group?
Do?
you know your five or six mainleaders, or your three or four
main leaders?
Do you know them well enoughand you're transparent with them
to know, hey, this person isgoing through a difficult time
or hey, their child justgraduated from high school or
college?
I know I need to give themmaybe some time off, because
(13:13):
that's one of those times inlife that only comes once and I
want to give them some time offso they can be with their family
.
And knowing that about yourpeople just develops loyalty and
trust.
And you give somebody hey, Iknow your son is graduating from
, or your daughter's graduatingfrom, high school, you know,
(13:34):
next week.
Why don't you take the Thursdayand Friday off and just be with
your family?
you know, Wow, if you initiatethat instead of the person
asking you know how much you'regoing to increase in their mind
of like, this person really doescare about me, and so that, to
(13:55):
me, is what a great leadershipprinciple is getting to know
your people and being proactivein taking care of their needs.
And we see that with Jesus allthe time.
Okay, and sometimes peoplewould come to Jesus for healing.
He never turned anybody away.
He would listen to them, hewould meet their needs.
(14:17):
He had met them right wherethey were, just the way they
were.
But he encouraged them hey,don't go back and go do that sin
again.
I've changed you so you wouldlead a different kind of life.
And so we see that over and overagain.
And when we come to chapter 15,we see an incredible story
(14:42):
about a Canaanite woman and shehad a daughter who was severely
sick and Jesus was there and sheasked Him to heal and he said
I've only been sent to the houseof Israel.
(15:03):
And she said well, even thedogs eat the scraps from under
the table.
And Jesus said hey, your faithis great.
And so he recognized somethingin the people great.
And so he recognized somethingin the people and that Jesus was
a master at recognizing thosesmall seeds of faith in people
(15:23):
and then took them and just madethat just bigger.
And so the question is do yourecognize that in your people?
Do you recognize those small,let's just say, glimpses of
talent or inspiration orwhatever?
And you take advantage of thatand just make it bigger and give
them maybe some extra specialassignment to see if you can
(15:47):
draw out that talent.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Let's talk about that real fast because some people
might not be.
You know, first time in theBible, how does the different
divisions you know a lot of thepeople didn't talk to the other
people to this, where there'svery big divides out there, you
know.
So you sort of touched on itright where he was like oh, you
know.
So let's maybe sort of explainthat.
(16:09):
You know what the mentality wasback then a little bit.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Well, first of all, unfortunately, some of that's
still going on today.
You know you have differentcultures, different prejudices.
A big prejudice was men lookingdown on women.
They didn't see them as equals,which is so tragic and that
would happen for centuries.
And Jesus didn't feel that way.
Some of his most loyalfollowers were women and some of
(16:35):
his big supporters financiallywere women.
We see that in the Scriptureand we see that the first
witness to the resurrection wasa woman.
So Jesus had a high value ofnot just women but every person.
He saw the best in people,people and that particular time,
(16:59):
just like today, because ofdifferent cultures, different
religions, different languages,different faiths, whatever there
was a lot of prejudice, therewas a lot of bias towards
different races or differentpeople.
And Jesus was trying to unifypeople by love, not by dividing
people because of skin color ortheir faith, tradition or their
(17:23):
language or whatever.
And Jesus was a master at that.
Not everybody accepted that,but anyway he was a master of
that, but anyway he was a masterof that.
And so we see, just abouteverywhere he went, he dealt
(17:43):
with people with kindness,compassion and mercy.
And so, whether it was thiswoman who was a Canaanite who
wasn't Jewish, or it was aJewish person, whether it was a
person whose daughter was sick,whose son was sick, or a person
who was blind or mute orwhatever blind, he treated them
all the same.
And so what a great principlefor us if we wanted to.
(18:04):
How do we treat our people?
And we talked about this before.
Jesus was a master of treatingeverybody the same.
Not everybody respected him.
We had the religious leadersyou know want to get rid of him
because he was kind of creatinga new paradigm of how to view
God, and they didn't like thatat all.
And he was upset in the applecart and so they eventually
(18:25):
killed him.
But the question was, he did itbecause he was living out the
love that God has for us, thatGod loves everybody the same.
There's not one person that heloves more than he loves another
person.
And we see that Sometimes wethink, well, I've done all this
bad stuff, god can't love me.
(18:47):
No, anything we do does notdecrease God's love for us.
It's still abundant, it's stillincredible, and nothing we can
do will ever decrease God's lovefor us, and that's what I think
the message.
We start beginning to see thathere a lot in chapter 15 of
(19:08):
Matthew, as he heals differentpeople, he talks to different
people, he's traveling aroundthe country and training His
disciples to feel the exact sameway.
It took a while for that tohappen in His disciples because
they were arguing, they weretrying to be who's the best,
who's first?
That's just human nature.
And then we see, you know,Jesus fed 4,000 people.
(19:31):
He fed 5,000 people.
What a great lesson here.
Let's just take that for aminute.
Let's talk about the feeding ofthe 5,000, feeding of the 4,000
.
So you had a little boy withfive loaves and two fish.
He comes and some people saythe miracle was that everybody
shared their lunch.
I don't believe that.
I believe that Jesus actuallymultiplied the resources.
(19:51):
So the question is whatresources do we have and do we
see unlimited possibilities inthe limited resources?
Sometimes we think what we needare more resources.
Maybe what we need is morecreativity, so we can get more
out of less.
Okay, I would rather have anemployee with very little
(20:14):
resources but a lot ofcreativity and energy than a
person who is, let's just say,not creative.
I don't give them unlimitedbudget, but a lot of budget, and
they don't have to be creative,they don't have to be
resourceful.
I'd rather have someone who'sresourceful and creative with a
limited budget, and withchurches a lot of times that's
what we had was limited budget,and so let them be creative, let
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them do something.
That's just amazing, becausethey had to be creative and you
want those people that can bevery creative.
They can look at something andsee something that you don't see
, you just need to give thempermission to do it, and so that
, to me, is good leadership.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, yeah, it's in my email signature hire for
attitude, train for everythingelse right, you can give them
the tools.
I just need somebody that'sgoing to show up.
That fits the mold of somebodythat wants to be here.
Right, and sometimes that's oneof the biggest things is show
up and have that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
And so one of the things that we began to see and
this is an entire book ofMatthew, it was that Jesus was
really good at leading himself.
He took care of himself.
He got up in the morning, heprayed, he took care of himself.
He got up in the morning, heprayed, he took care of himself
physically.
And so I think that's whereleadership starts is
self-leadership precedes teamleadership and public leadership
(21:36):
.
So are we taking care ofourself physically?
Are we taking care of ourselvesspiritually, emotionally?
Are we taking care of ourselvesfinancially?
And not to exclude that, wehave to be so focused on our
ourselves that we can't focus onothers, but we need to think
how am I taking care of myself?
Am I being a good example formy people?
(22:00):
Am I doing that?
Well?
And Jesus was just a master atthat.
And then we talked about, youknow, he had his 12, he had his
three, he sent out the 70, hetaught the multitudes.
He had a private ministry witha few and he had a public
ministry with many, but over allof that, his whole thing was a
(22:25):
leader, is a servant.
So he wanted his 12 to be thebest followers he could be,
whatever it took, you knowwhatever sacrifice I have to
make to make my followers thebest they can be.
And so the question is how muchare we pouring into our people?
Do we want you know, our people, our sales rep, to be the best
(22:48):
sales rep the company has everhad, and what are we doing to
help them become that?
Are we wanting our financeperson to be the best finance
person they can be, or do wehave the right equipment?
Do we have the right computer?
Do we have software?
Do they need some training?
What can we do as the leader tohelp them become the best they
can be?
And that, to me, is servantleadership.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
So that leads us up to, you know, one of my notes
here on 16,.
You know, Peter sort of buys inthat Jesus is the Messiah right
, and this is where Jesus startspredicting his death.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
And I guess that sort of you know.
How do you think that went overwith the disciples?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I think they were shocked and in full denial at
the beginning.
I mean, here's this guy they'vebeen with for a couple of years
, you know, they've traveledtogether, they've eaten together
, they've done ministry togetherand all of a sudden, jesus is
starting to tell them hey, I'mnot going to be around forever.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
I mean, that's their whole life.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Now, right yeah, their whole life is revolved
around this guy.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I stopped everything and followed you and now you're
saying you're going to justabandon ship on us.
I mean that's an interestingthing.
It took a while.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
So we see that Jesus began to do it subtly, but then
he became more and more.
It took a while.
So we see that Jesus began todo it subtly, but then he became
more and more.
The more he got to where he wasgoing to be crucified, the more
he began to be very, very clearthat there's going to be an end
to my life here on earth.
I'm not going to abandon you.
They had no idea what thatmeant yet.
They found out on the day ofPentecost but I want to make
(24:31):
sure that you all get it.
You know that you're going tobe the one you know.
Just think about this.
The god of all creation camedown as a human okay, fully god,
fully human and he trusted 12guys to carry on his work right
okay, 12 sinful men to carry onhis work, but he had done
everything he felt he needed todo in those three years to train
(24:53):
them for the task.
Now, after he died, they werescared because they felt that
their lives were next, but heempowered them to do the work
and we'll get to that maybe nextweek, about his death and
resurrection, but the wholething up until we see that Jesus
talking about and even talksabout.
(25:15):
You know, those who want to befirst need to be last.
You need to be a servant, andso I did some research.
I read an article from theWycliffe Bible Translators at
Aaron South Dallas.
They do incredible work andhave done for decades, but they
had an article back in Septemberon their website about the
(25:36):
qualities of a servant leader,and so I just want to repeat
this as we close out today.
I just want to repeat what theysaid from the Wycliffe Bible
translators, because they dealwith this all the time in their
translations.
But there were six qualities ofa servant leader, and we've
talked about these before, butmaybe not in this order.
(25:57):
One was integrity, one washumility, one was flexibility,
one was resilience, one wasbeing a steward of resources and
one was empathy.
And so if we look at all ofthose as we are as leaders, it's
a whole different paradigm ofhow we lead people.
(26:19):
Integrity was their number onething.
And I'm thinking, yeah, youknow, we walk our talk, we're a
person of our word.
We treat people with respect,but we're humble about it and we
don't like feel that we'reGod's gift to the world.
We admit when we're wrong.
(26:40):
We seek advice if we needadvice, and then flexibility.
You know we might be going downa path and we realize, you know
what, that might not be theright way.
We might need to listen to thepeople and do this, and so it
was a great list.
But that's what Jesus was allabout, was you know, having
(27:06):
being a servant leader, servingyour people and then pouring
your life into them so they canbe the best they can be.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
You know, and that's one of the things is, you know,
it's believing in your peoplemaking you better.
I always tell people I'd ratherbe surrounded by people that
are 12 times as good as me right.
You know every day of the week,so yeah.
I don't have to be the smartestperson in the room.
Don't want to be the smartestperson in the room.
I want to empower everybodyelse to be the smartest person
in the room yeah, and that to methat's a good leader is they're
(27:35):
not threatened.
Um, I, you know, and the peoplethat you work with, uh,
everybody so many people getthreatened, right, you know,
they don't want to tell them,they don't want to delegate.
They don't want to tell them,they don't want to delegate.
They don't want to keep allthese cards to themselves.
Right, I'm going to keep thecards to myself.
That way, nobody has all theinformation to do what I do,
because they'll replace me.
Yeah.
(27:56):
It doesn't work that way.
The more you empower yourpeople, the more you raise them
to the next level.
It takes you up to a higherlevel, because they're even at a
higher level, so anyway mysoapbox.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I could get on that.
Yeah, you talk about that a lotin your seminars.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
So where are we going ?
We made it a little bit moredown the road, right, I think we
made it to like chapter 19.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
So next time we'll talk about the last week of
Jesus' life, which is, you know,we talk about that with Palm
Sunday life, which is, you know,we talk about that with Palm
Sunday.
And then we'll talk about thetrial and the crucifixion,
resurrection, and now thosestories are repeated in the
(28:39):
Gospels.
All right, so I think it'simportant for us to, if you
haven't heard the story, ormaybe you haven't heard it in a
long time, to justre-familiarize ourselves with
that.
And then the question is whatare the leadership principles
that we can learn from that?
And there's obviously a bunch,and we'll get to those, see if
we time this.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
We've got to time this with Easter a while back
right, but look at us, you knowbut yeah, I'm enjoying this, you
know.
but yeah, that's, that's I.
I've been, I'm enjoying this,you know, and and I think
there's just so much to unpackthrough all these chapters it's
it's sort of amazing, you know,how much you can get out of this
and and I'm I'm just curious,because a lot of these things,
(29:21):
you know, they start to overlap.
I think we're going to be ableto pull different ideas out of
this.
I think this taking the time inMatthew is very important,
because then when we'reunwrapping them in Mark and some
of these other chapters, thenwe've already sort of unwrapped
it.
We start unwrapping and then wecan go even a little bit deeper
, dive on some of these thatwe're talking about.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I totally agree with that, yeah, so other than that,
you know, I guess running at theend of this thing the only
(30:03):
thing that I'm lacking here drposey is some dad jokes to close
this thing out.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
So yeah, so I had a boss one time that said you're
never going to advance in yourapplause because, uh, I am last
minute tim right okay.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
So what did the cactus wear to his job interview
?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
cactus wear to his job interview.
Oh see that constructionlanguage.
Come on me.
I.
I already had a joke there, butit wasn't.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I can't go where I want to go with it.
Where's my mute?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
button.
I can tell you off line I donot know.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
He wore a cacti All right, okay, what has more
letters than the alphabet.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
What has more letters than the alphabet?
Speaker 2 (30:53):
The post office.
All right, fair enough.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
All right, I got nothing.
Here's the thing.
My jokes are just groanersright?
Oh well I don't ever have thoseRight.
But you've got 500,000 jokes infront of you.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
You just scroll down and usually I'm doing all the
show prep.
I don't have 500,000.
All right, 450,000.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
So I'm usually in the business.
I'm going to make a commitmentnext week I'm going to come up
with some good dad jokes.
I'm going to search the highsand lows and come up with some
good ones.
So, anyway, you started askingme a question before I went down
that path.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I don't remember what that was.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Okay, great, you had another dad joke.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I have so many dad jokes.
The question is, how do I wantto end the show this week?
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Oh well, I could throw in a construction one.
Like some of my guys, they'reso slow.
I sort of call them snails,right.
But how do snails fight?
Have you ever thought aboutthat?
How do snails fight?
Have you ever thought aboutthat?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
How do snails fight?
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Guys are slow, they're like snails sometimes,
but really how do they fight?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
They slug it out.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Slug it out, okay.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Okay here's my last one for the day.
Yeah, please, I can't reach thebutton.
Wow, I'm going to mute that one.
Okay, you know, if there's onething in the world that always
gives me butterflies, what doyou think?
Speaker 1 (32:31):
that is.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
One thing in the world that always gives me
butterflies Flowers,caterpillars.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
All right, I'll give you that All righty.
Well, we're done with the dadjokes.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I think I think we're done.
Our listeners are going.
Please be done with your dadjokes.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Hey, we got to do our dad jokes.
That makes us happy.
All right, guys, Check us outbiblicalleadershipshowcom.
Have a great week.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Let us know if there's anything we can do for
you, but other than that,everybody, make it a great day.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
We'll talk to you next week.
We'll come back.
Finish the book of Matthew,maybe finish the book of Matthew
.
Alright, guys, make it a greatday.
Bye.
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