October 14, 2025 • 35 mins
What makes someone a true leader rather than just a person with authority? Drawing from the rich metaphor of Jesus as the Good Shepherd in John Chapter 10, we unpack powerful leadership principles that transcend time and context.
The shepherd imagery provides a fascinating framework for modern leadership. Just as shepherds in ancient Israel would sleep in the entrance of the sheepfold—becoming the literal gate through which sheep passed—great leaders serve as filters for their organizations. They discern what influences, ideas, and attitudes should enter, while protecting against harmful elements.
This episode explores how effective leaders balance quick decisions with thoughtful deliberation, understanding which issues deserve extensive processing and which can be handled efficiently. We share real-world examples of companies that failed because leaders refused to innovate, contrasting them with organizations that thrived by embracing necessary change.
Perhaps most compelling is our discussion about promise-keeping. Through a personal story about a father who made a casual promise to his young son about hiking Pike's Peak—only to discover a year later that the boy had been secretly training for the adventure—we illustrate how leadership credibility is built or destroyed on the foundation of integrity. As we note, "Once you get in the habit of breaking promises, it takes a long, long time to overcome that mindset in the eyes of your people."
Whether you're leading a corporation, a small team, a family, or simply yourself, these timeless principles from John 10 offer a roadmap for leadership that earns trust, inspires loyalty, and creates lasting impact. Listen now to discover how being a "good shepherd" can transform your leadership approach.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
uh-huh now, yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on, come on,
alrighty, welcome, welcome,welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Welcome Tim.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
How you doing, how are we doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I am doing fantastic.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Man just well into October.
Now I mean, wow, we're justflying through.
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
It's crazy how fast this year's gone.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
It's going to be Halloween here in another what
you know, 10 days, yes.
So, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
It's going really fast, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
You going to go dressed up for Halloween's?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Halloween no.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Okay, I haven't decided yet.
I love Halloween.
I love dressing up and runningaround town.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
It's been a while for me, but now I run around with
my kids now.
I still get dressed up becausethey love it.
That's just fun.
Yeah, it's just fun, right?
Well, it's like someone a longtime ago said you have a great
face for radio, so I guess Idon't need to get dressed up for
Halloween.
Let's see when is it oh no,there it is, there it is, yeah.
(01:26):
Yeah, I understand you, doinggood yeah, doing good yeah just
been staying busy, busy, busybusy.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yes, that's all right , we like busy.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Busy, busy.
You know, some people are busy,but they're not productive.
Yes, you are both.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
It.
It's called the busynessepidemic, but B-U-S-Y Busy.
That's the person when you askthem how are you doing?
Oh man, I'm busy, I'm just soswamped, I'm just so busy.
Yeah, I just literally am justso swamped and so busy, for
reals.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
We both work with people who are extremely busy,
but they don't ever get anythingdone.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I know I'm not even going to say too much because I
know people listen to this, butI mean I hear him talk and I'm
like I know your job,responsibility at your office, I
know what you do and you'rereally that busy.
I question it sometimes, butthat's okay.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
But that goes right into leadership.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
But it's all perception, right, it's all
perception.
You're busy and my busy mightbe two different things.
Right, and my norm is stillbusy, but it's my norm.
And for other people cominginto my world they'd be like wow
, wow.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
You go in 20 different directions.
My accelerator doesn't go thatfast, right Exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
But it's my norm, I enjoy it, it keeps me.
I don't like idle time, I likegoing.
I mean, don't get me wrong, Ienjoy.
I have a lot of idle time withmy kids and run around doing
stuff.
Don't get me wrong when I sayI'm not in all work, but when
I'm working, I'm working.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, when you're working, you're all in.
Yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
And so that goes right into what we're going to
talk about today leadership fromthe book of John.
I cut you off on the leadershipyou know you started to shoe?
Does a frog wear?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I'm reaching for my button over here.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Let's see what kind of shoe does a frog wear Open
toed?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
of course Nice Iing to Open toad of course.
Nice, I love it.
You got another one there.
No, well, yes, but he's got 500of them sitting in front of him
Several years ago, my wifeasked me if I thought our kids
were spoiled.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
And I said no, I think all kids smell like that
Sort of.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
What kind of milk comes from a pampered cow
Spoiled milk.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Well, you know, the other night I was on my computer
, yes, and I was looking up icecream jokes, just to have some
ice cream dad jokes, but then mycomputer froze.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Knew where that one was going.
Hey, if you're not familiarwith us, we talk a little bit
about biblical, we talk a littlebit about leadership, and we do
throw in a lot of dad jokesjust because we like it.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
We can.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
We can, and we decided that's what we're going
to do to entertain ourselves,because I mean with all our
three listeners, all right we'vegot lots of listeners, yes, and
all over the country now.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
All over the country, yeah, yeah, it's so fun Over
the pond and all kinds ofdifferent places, and we're into
our third year now.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Third year.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
It's crazy third year now.
Third year.
It's crazy, it's crazy.
So do you want to give a little?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
synopsis of where we've been in the last year.
Last year, I mean, we've beenworking through the book of John
.
Yes, we have.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I think this is our 12th week on the book of John.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
We'll be with you for another couple of weeks on the
book of John.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
We're only with you for another couple weeks on the
book of John we're only onchapter 10, but I think this is
week 7 or 8 on the book of John.
Yeah, it's all right.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
No, I mean if you've been following us or if you're
new or if you haven't.
We've been going through allthe books of the Bible, started
with the Old Testament andworked through that and now
we're going through the NewTestament.
It was funny because the OldTestament we could lump a lot of
them together because it wasshort.
But now we're getting into thechapters where it's a lot of
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information, a lot of key stuffin the Bible and we just can't
rush through it because I meanwe've got to really emphasize
some of these points and reallyjust make sure people are
getting the leadershipprinciples out of it.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, so let's just pause right there and talk about
the leadership principle youjust mentioned.
And that is rushing.
Okay, sometimes you have tohurry through things, but
sometimes you don't.
I mean you have to reallyprocess, you have to sit down
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and think about it and get theinformation you need.
And if it's a small decision Imean leaders make hundreds of
decisions a day right, andsometimes leaders make the
mistakes that every decisiongets equal amount of brain time
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and a good leader realizes no,this decision right here has
significant more consequences.
So I'm going to process it.
I might not make it today or Imight make it by 5 o'clock this
afternoon.
I'm not going to make itinstantaneously and I think that
is a learned skill.
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But it's also good to haveother people around you when
you're learning that skill tosay, hey, what do you think
about this?
Or get two or three peoplearound, what do you think about
this?
Or your staff.
But some decisions you can justmake, you know, like your tight
face on your newsletter or thisor that or whatever.
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But if it's a new logo, youknow we've seen companies lately
make some decisions about logosand they have to backtrack on
that and some decisions, and soit's like well, you know, maybe
those kind of big decisions thatare more public, involve more
people, just take a little bitlonger.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
So rushing sometimes is good, but sometimes it's not,
it is, and at the same timeit's the opposite too.
Sometimes people get hung up onall the details.
I mean think of I don't knowMalachi, if we could have spent
like seven weeks on Malachi.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
We could have.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
But I mean, he is the last prophet of the Old
Testament.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
But here's one of the I think one of the mistakes
some leaders make.
They try to please everybody.
Yeah, and you can't pleaseeverybody, you just can't.
And so you've got to thinkabout okay, if I'm the leader,
if I'm the CEO, if I'm beingpaid to make decisions, there's
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going to be some decisions thatI make that people are not going
to like.
Oh yeah, so okay.
Then the question is what do Ido, knowing that?
Do I just make them?
Do I sit down with the peoplethat I know are not going to
like the decision I make?
Do we process that?
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Do we have a conversation aboutit?
I know I've made some decisionsand then I realized in talking
with some people that you knowthat wasn't a good decision.
So you have to backtrack andchange your mind, and I just
think that is a good habit toget into is to listen to the
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people that maybe disagree withyou, because they literally
could have the right opinion andyou've made a wrong decision.
So trying to please everybodyis not always good, but
listening to people after andbefore making a decision is
always good.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah, 100%.
Yeah, got to give an ear if youwant to get that team built.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, and so we're going to move into John, chapter
10 today.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
John, chapter 10.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, and John chapter 10 is a very unique
chapter in the Bible becauseJesus talks about being the
shepherd.
He's talking about being thegate.
There's lots of symbolism inthis particular chapter and a
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lot of good information.
Preachers use this a lot totalk about shepherding their
people and there's a lot of goodleadership principles,
particularly in this particularchapter.
And so let's just start at thevery beginning of the chapter,
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and it'll probably take us thispodcast to go through John
chapter 10.
But at the very beginning,Jesus talking about being the
door of the sheepfold and let mejust give a kind of historical
background to that.
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Many times in Israel the fencesback then were made out of
stone because sheep don'tnaturally jump, because sheep
don't naturally jump.
And so they would build a stonefence and a pen and they would
keep their sheep there at night.
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In the daytime they would goout, but the shepherd's job was
to protect the sheep and to keepany wolves or anything from
that.
And so what a great leadershipprinciple.
Part of the job of the leaderis to confront any adversaries
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that might come in.
It could be another company, itcould be an attitude, it could
be a work ethic.
There's all kinds of things thatcould begin to bring problems
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to let's just use the examplehere to the sheep, to your
employees, to your workers toyour co-workers, to your team, a
lot of issues and I believethat the leader's job is to see
those coming and to try to dealwith them before they actually
get there.
Now, sometimes you just can'tget them all, okay, but a good
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leader realizes hey, there'ssomething wrong, let's address
that so we can get that rightoff the bat from John, chapter
10.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Right yeah.
So what was the story about theshepherd and the sheep?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Okay.
So when they made a sheep foldor a sheep pen, let's just say
you had a hundred sheep or morethan that, but you had a round
or a square pen made out of rockat a certain height, but there
was an opening where there wereno rocks and it was a custom for
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the shepherd to actually sleepin that opening.
Oh, really yes to sleep in thatopening.
So if the sheep were going togo out, they actually had to
step on the sheep.
Oh nice and the shepherd wouldwake up.
Sometimes there'd be more thanone shepherd, so they'd take
turns, but if they were going togo out and then in the morning
the shepherd would get up andall the sheep would go out.
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At night they would come backin.
So that's the symbolism of thischapter, and Jesus says I am
that person that lays there, I'mthe door, I'm the keeper of the
sheep.
And so to me, what a greatleadership principle he's
talking about.
If there's anything that'sgoing to go in and out of the
company, good or bad, it needsto come through me.
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And that's what was Jesussaying and I think that's what
leaders do is they are thefilter through which things come
in and out of the company.
Now they can't.
I mean, you might have anemployee that has a great idea,
you know.
And so just think if you workedfor a car company and you were
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working on the line.
If you worked for a car companyand you were working on the
line, okay, you installedwindshields or you installed
door handles or whatever, andall of a sudden you had a great
idea, either how to do it betteror how to make the design
better for the customer.
You wouldn't wait for the CEOof the car company to come up
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with that idea.
You would say, hey, I've got anidea that might make our
product better, might be less,you know, costly, and you would
be hopefully have an avenue toshare that information.
And so the leader might not bethe one that comes up with all
the great ideas, but they haveto be open to listening to ideas
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from their people.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah, and that happened with Saturn cars.
Remember Saturn.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I do remember Saturn.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Well, when Saturn first came out, pretty much they
would make it about two milesdown the road before something
fell off of them, because theywere just not well built.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Get out the factory floor.
They were horrible.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
So they went back to everybody and it's like you know
what's going on.
And they're like oh yeah, wesaw that.
Why didn't you say anything?
Because if I say something,something I risk getting fired.
And they went to this person,next person on the line, and
they said do you see this?
Yeah, I saw it.
Well, why didn't you fix it?
Ain't my job to fix it.
And they kept going.
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So they shut down, they fixedall the stuff, they interviewed
a lot of the people and thenthey put a big button on there
and that button was encouraged.
If they saw something that wasa mistake, to go over and hit
that button and they rewardedthe person for pointing it out.
And they changed the culture ofyou're going to get fired
because you shut down and we'vegot to keep this line going,
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because if you have one shutdownthat shuts down the whole plant
.
And that's big dollars.
So they rewarded them forpointing things out and shutting
down the thing and it became achange of culture.
And then Saturn cars actuallybecome more reliable over the
years and that car brandsurvived, sort of based on that
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theory.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Wow, what a great concept, but you had to have
good leaders be willing to dothat.
But they'd already investedbillions of dollars into the
factory and all that kind ofstuff, the tooling, the
employees, and so what a verygood leader to say, hey, this is
not working for us, we need togo in a different direction.
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And that's really good, becausesometimes leaders will say you
know, we've never done it thatway before and we're not going
to start now.
And you know I was thinking ofI was reading a news article the
other day about Kodak and howthey didn't embrace digital
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technology.
Embrace digital technology andit's really cost them.
And so, and think aboutBlockbuster or think about
Redbox, you know those companiesthat were so big, they made a
big splash, but they didn't lastthe test of time.
And because they were unwillingto do something, the leader
said, no, we're good, we're notgoing to innovate, we're not
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going to change, we're not goingto do something different,
we're good where we are.
And then, within 10, 20 years,we're good, we're not going to
innovate, we're not going tochange, we're not going to do
something different, we're goodwhere we are.
And then, within 10, 20 years,they're gone, they're just
history.
I did read that I think it'ssomewhere in Oregon.
There's still one Blockbusterstore you can rent it and you
can stay the night there.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
They have the.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
VCRs.
Watch the TV VCRs.
You watch the TV VCRs.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
It's like a bed and breakfast blockbuster store.
So yeah, it's sort of crazy.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
When we were on vacation this last summer with
our daughter and her boyfriend,we were in Alaska and we stayed
in an Airbnb and guess what?
They had VHS tapes Nice.
They had a library.
They could have opened up theirown Blockbuster.
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I mean, they had hundreds andhundreds, hundreds of just like
a library.
It could have filled that walleasily in our studio, just of
all these different VHS tapes.
No DVDs, just VHS tapes.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
But I think the question on everybody's mind,
all the listeners right now didthey have a sign up that says be
kind and rewind, Be kind?
No, well, they should have,because we had to rewind the
tape.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
We listened, we watched some because we were in
Alaska, so we watched some movieabout Alaska or something, and
it'd been a while since I'd seenit.
I can't remember the name of it, like iron will or something
like that, and um, and it waslike wow, that was interesting,
you know, because it's grainyand the TV's old.
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But it was one of the and thatwasn't one of those TV VCR
combos.
It actually had a separate unitHardcore ones, yeah, very
hardcore, but it's like wow,that's back from like the 80s.
And so we asked the owner ofthis Airbnb, because he had
several cabins there and in thelaundry room, I mean, we had a
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dresser.
The TV was on top of thisdresser and it was a small TV, I
mean it was maybe a 15-inch TVVCR, and the dresser was full of
VHS tapes.
Okay, so I just happened theyhad a laundry facility there on
the property, so I just happenedto walk over to see where the
laundry facility was and Iwalked in.
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One side there were severalwasher and dryers.
The other side, hundreds of VHSlibrary was right there.
And I'm thinking wow, now youhave vinyl here on your wall.
Vinyl is coming back.
I don't think VHS is comingback but vinyl is coming back
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and there's something aboutlistening to vinyl.
You know that just soundsalmost live.
I don't know what it is, butit's just great.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I think back to how many cassettes I had.
And then one day I was moving,I'm like I'll just buy the DVD
and I threw all my cassettesaway.
I was like I'll just buy allnew DVDs and that's not a
problem.
But yeah, I threw them all awaybecause I just got sick of
moving around, right?
Yeah, oh well, would have likedto have those now.
Yeah, just train shows.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
So, as some people know who are listening that I
used to be in a car show hobby,yeah, and I had a 55 Ford show
truck and I'd go to car shows,Ford show truck and I'd go to
car shows and every so oftenyou'd have a 1968 Trans Am or
something like that with a tapedeck in it.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah, a track tape deck.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yes, and they'd be playing and it'd be working.
It's like how is that thingstill working?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Love it.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Anyway, let's go back to leadership.
So leaders understand thatsometimes things need to change.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I'm down a whole memory lane there, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
And sometimes things don't need to change.
Yes, and there's consequencesfor both, and so I don't know
how that relates to John,chapter 10, but it's a good
leadership principle.
And so here's the thing theshepherd was willing to give his
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or her life for the sheep, andsometimes that is literal, but
sometimes that's figuratively,because what happens if a wolf
or whatever was attacking thesheep?
The shepherd had to defend.
They had their staff, they hadtheir rod, so they had to get
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involved with the fight andinstead of just staying behind
and watching it happen, they hadto be willing to defend the
sheep, and so that would be.
Another leadership principle isis the CEO, the leader, willing
to defend their people?
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Are they willing to stand upand are they willing to fight
for their people?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yeah, great leaders put their people above their own
agenda sometimes you know, soit's sort of just step in and
make sure that they feel safe,they have everything they need
and know that you have theirback.
You know that's a lot of times.
You know a lot of times themorale thing is just because
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your leader is flip-floppy,right, you know, and you can't
read that leader and you don'tknow.
And I always tell them and I'vesaid it many times on here I
don't care if you're a badleader, just be consistent, be a
bad leader, because then I canwork with you.
I know what you're going to say.
You're going to say some bozothing that makes no sense, but
I'll do it myself my own way.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
If you're going back and forth, you're being
passive-aggressive and it'sgoing to mess things up and
people can't predict what you'redoing, and that just causes all
kinds of issues.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
It just does.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
And so yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Wonderful, yeah, so let's just keep going through
John, chapter 10.
And so this whole passage aboutJesus talking about the sheep
that's in the first part of thechapter and it goes all the way
down to verse 18.
And then he gets there's otherthings and he's talking about
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the feast, and and so the restof the chapter.
Jesus is just basicallyfocusing on specific things
People confronting him, they'rechallenging him and he is
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defending that, or he's speakingback to these people, and so
one of the things that we canget from that is your actions
have to be— Just don't talk.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Let your actions— Very well said.
I couldn't think of the words.
It can't just be talk, it can'tbe all words.
It has to be actions.
It has to be actions.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
And so here's the thing I learned.
I'm going to tell a story onmyself, true story, okay, but
it's about making a promise,don't expect it, no other way.
Yeah, exactly right.
Other way yeah, exactly right.
So back in the 90s, when ourchildren were young, I had an
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opportunity for a conference togo to Colorado Springs.
And while we're in ColoradoSprings, the whole family was
there.
We went up or the cog train upto the top of Pikes Peak.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Oh yeah, I love.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Pikes Peak.
Yeah, pikes Peak was awesome.
And so we're up on the top ofPikes Peak.
Oh yeah, I love Pikes Peak.
Yeah, pikes Peak was awesome.
And so we were up on the top ofPikes Peak and this person,
this man, was walking up andfinishing the trail.
And so our son was 10 at thetime and his name is Matt and
our daughter's name is Tricia,and he said Dad, can we hike up
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to the peak?
I said when you're 12.
When you're 12.
Well, I didn't think anythingabout it, but I had made a
promise.
And so at that particular time,we lived in a two-story house.
Our bedroom was downstairs, thekids' bedroom was upstairs and
we also had an extra roomupstairs.
That was like a study, but Ihad an exercise bicycle up there
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.
I hadn't heard a word aboutanything About a year later.
One morning it had to be aSaturday because it wasn't
school one morning I hear thisnoise and I'm thinking what in
the world is happening.
And so I'm thinking something'shappened with one of the kids.
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And so I run upstairs and I gointo this extra room and our son
he's 11 by this time and he'son my exercise bicycle and he is
pedaling as fast as he can go.
And I said, son, what are youdoing, you know?
And he said I'm getting readyfor the peak.
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It'd been a year that I had madea promise, and I learned a
valuable lesson that particularday that made me a better father
.
And that is when you make apromise, and that is when you
make a promise, you need to keepit, and so that means that you
can't just be all talk, you haveto be action, and action speaks
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so loud, especially to children.
So let me just say this to allmoms and dads out there that are
listening Be careful what youpromise your children, because
they'll remember, and you don'twant to be known for a parent
that promises things but neverfollows through with actions.
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And if you're a leader.
The same principle is so trueyou will elevate yourself in the
eyes of your people, yourselfin the eyes of your people.
It doesn't matter if you're thehead of the tennis team, a
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softball team, a scout troop, anarchery it doesn't matter.
If you make a promise and youdon't keep your promise, okay,
people are going to rememberthat.
And if you do it more than once, that's what they're going to
be thinking about you.
And once you get in the habitof breaking promises, it takes a
long, long time to overcomethat mindset in the eyes of your
people.
And so if you have done thatand you recognize that, or
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people have told you that, justconfess it to your people and
just say, hey, I am going to domy best to do better.
If I promised you something, ifwe're going to have a monthly
luncheon, you know I promisedthat before.
We've never done it.
I'm sorry.
We're going to start next week.
We're going to do that.
Just keep your word.
You know and that was our veryfirst lesson two years ago Are
(28:19):
you a person of your word?
And it's the same principle,you know.
Don't just say it, do it.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, 100% yeah, and so that's what Jesus is talking
about here.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
He was a person of his word.
He just doesn't talk.
Now, people didn't like what hewas saying.
They didn't like what he wasdoing, no, but he said you know,
I'm just who I am the Fatherand I are one, and I'm going to
do what the Father tells me todo and that's what I'm doing.
And they didn't like it andwe'll talk about the
consequences of all that here inthe coming weeks.
(28:52):
But there are going to beconsequences.
If you keep your promises,there's going to be consequences
.
If you keep your promises,there's going to be consequences
.
If you break your promises,there's going to be consequences
.
So that's an important lessonand I was just sharing this the
other day with some people.
You know and I've said thisbefore on our podcast we can
choose to do anything we want todo, but we can't always choose
(29:14):
the consequences.
But we can't always choose theconsequences.
But if you're a promise keeper,okay, and you say things and
you actually do them, theconsequences are normally good.
Okay.
If you promise things and youdon't keep them, the
consequences are normally notgood, and you might not see
those consequences immediately,but over time, morale weakens
(29:38):
passion, weakens interest in thecompany, it just starts going
downhill.
So just be a person of yourword, be a person that keeps
their promises, and yourleadership will just be on a
whole other level, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
And speaking of keeping our word, you're the
official dad joke person.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I have so many dad jokes I don't know about that.
No, you're the official.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I think everybody would agree to that.
But yeah, we're rolling downhere towards the end.
We made it through Chapter 10.
We're going to hit John 11 nextweek.
But before we get out of here,if you want to hang out with us,
dr Posey, if you're first timehere, we're going to have a
little few dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
We're going to have a few dad jokes.
So I don't know how thishappened, but I just probably
have 100 dad jokes today.
I know we don't have time forme to share all of them.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah, you said you come across a lot of good dad
jokes randomly.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah, I just come across them and I just do, okay.
So what's the differencebetween black-eyed peas and
chickpeas?
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Black-eyed peas and chickpeas.
Black eyed peas and chickpeas.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
One got in a fight, not even close, okay so black
eyed peas can sing us a song,but chickpeas can only hum us
one nice, that was almost agroaner.
Well, I can't promise these aregoing to be anything but
(31:24):
groaners.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Hey, I got to tell you about one thing that I came
across.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
There's a restaurant, I think it's in Frisco, that
it's burgers, smash burgers anddad jokes Really, and it's
called Dad Joke Burgers orsomething.
So with every burger you getlike a dad joke and they promote
it.
They have it on differentthings in the restaurant and
(31:50):
yeah, I'm going to have toresearch it, but I saw that the
other day.
I'm like what the world?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
So if you bring your own dad jokes, you get a free
drink or something.
Yeah, I don't know.
Oh, only on the weekends.
Yeah, so far.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I mean that's when they were going to be open.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Well, maybe we need to take our brides up there.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
We might have to take the brides up there, where are?
We going, oh, we're going to afancy place.
Pull up the dad jokes.
You want ketchup on that?
Oh okay.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
So, speaking of the weekend, what is the best way to
watch a fly fishing tournament?
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Fly fishing tournament.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I don't know Livestream, of course.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
All right.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I'll give you that one.
You get it.
I'll give you that one, okay,so what do you get?
This, might you know, I'llfinish this in a minute, but
what do you get when you cross apig with a dinosaur?
Ooh A large pork sandwich, Idon't know.
(32:57):
Jurassic pork, nice.
So where our daughter lives upin the eastern part of the
United States, there is arestaurant called 50-50, and
it's hamburgers, 50% beef, 50%bacon.
Oh, my goodness, see I could dothat.
I love mixing bacon in withthat it's so good.
(33:21):
If you don't like bacon, it'snot bacon's fault right?
Speaker 1 (33:23):
No, it's not.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Everything tastes better with bacon.
Everything tastes better withbacon.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Okay so I've got only a few more, a few hundred more.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
What do you call a paper airplane that can't fly?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Stationary.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Nice, I was trying to really think about that.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I've really been thinking about your jokes today,
so I saw a video the other dayonline of this paper airplane
that was like 20 feet long.
I mean, they had this thing andthey got on a big hill and it
took one guy he was running andhe threw it and this other guy
ran down the hill to try tocatch it and it actually flew.
I mean this thing was a massive.
(34:09):
Oh Well, okay, so why?
Here's the last one I'm lookingat the time.
Yes, you know what it meanswhen a pastor looks at his watch
.
It means absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Okay, so here we go.
Okay, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Why did the invisible man turn down the job offer?
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Boss couldn't tell if he's doing a good job or not.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Well, he just couldn't see himself doing it.
All right, we'll just stopright there.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
I like it.
That was sort of a low-key,casual dad jokes.
If they stuck in, they heardsome dad jokes.
So hey, check us outbiblicalleadershipshowcom and
let us know some dad jokes, letus know your thoughts, please,
believe it or not, and we talkabout this more than not.
I'm sure there's a lot ofpeople out there groaning about
(35:02):
the dad jokes, but we actuallyget a lot of great comments
about the dad jokes.
It just cuts the monotony andit's a balanced show with
everything.
(35:25):
What other podcast anywhere hasthis quality of dad jokes?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
I'm not saying quantity, I'm saying quality.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Yeah, there you go.
All right, it's just becauseour listeners keep sending us
good ones.
All right, check us outbiblicalleadershipshowcom.
Other than that, dr P, take usout.
Hey, make it a great day.
Thank you.
uh-huh now, yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on, come on,
alrighty, welcome, welcome,welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Welcome Tim.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
How you doing, how are we doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I am doing fantastic.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Man just well into October.
Now I mean, wow, we're justflying through.
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
It's crazy how fast this year's gone.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
It's going to be Halloween here in another what
you know, 10 days, yes.
So, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
It's going really fast, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
You going to go dressed up for Halloween's?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Halloween no.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Okay, I haven't decided yet.
I love Halloween.
I love dressing up and runningaround town.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
It's been a while for me, but now I run around with
my kids now.
I still get dressed up becausethey love it.
That's just fun.
Yeah, it's just fun, right?
Well, it's like someone a longtime ago said you have a great
face for radio, so I guess Idon't need to get dressed up for
Halloween.
Let's see when is it oh no,there it is, there it is, yeah.
(01:26):
Yeah, I understand you, doinggood yeah, doing good yeah just
been staying busy, busy, busybusy.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yes, that's all right , we like busy.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Busy, busy.
You know, some people are busy,but they're not productive.
Yes, you are both.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
It.
It's called the busynessepidemic, but B-U-S-Y Busy.
That's the person when you askthem how are you doing?
Oh man, I'm busy, I'm just soswamped, I'm just so busy.
Yeah, I just literally am justso swamped and so busy, for
reals.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
We both work with people who are extremely busy,
but they don't ever get anythingdone.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I know I'm not even going to say too much because I
know people listen to this, butI mean I hear him talk and I'm
like I know your job,responsibility at your office, I
know what you do and you'rereally that busy.
I question it sometimes, butthat's okay.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
But that goes right into leadership.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
But it's all perception, right, it's all
perception.
You're busy and my busy mightbe two different things.
Right, and my norm is stillbusy, but it's my norm.
And for other people cominginto my world they'd be like wow
, wow.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
You go in 20 different directions.
My accelerator doesn't go thatfast, right Exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
But it's my norm, I enjoy it, it keeps me.
I don't like idle time, I likegoing.
I mean, don't get me wrong, Ienjoy.
I have a lot of idle time withmy kids and run around doing
stuff.
Don't get me wrong when I sayI'm not in all work, but when
I'm working, I'm working.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, when you're working, you're all in.
Yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
And so that goes right into what we're going to
talk about today leadership fromthe book of John.
I cut you off on the leadershipyou know you started to shoe?
Does a frog wear?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I'm reaching for my button over here.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Let's see what kind of shoe does a frog wear Open
toed?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
of course Nice Iing to Open toad of course.
Nice, I love it.
You got another one there.
No, well, yes, but he's got 500of them sitting in front of him
Several years ago, my wifeasked me if I thought our kids
were spoiled.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
And I said no, I think all kids smell like that
Sort of.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
What kind of milk comes from a pampered cow
Spoiled milk.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Well, you know, the other night I was on my computer
, yes, and I was looking up icecream jokes, just to have some
ice cream dad jokes, but then mycomputer froze.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Knew where that one was going.
Hey, if you're not familiarwith us, we talk a little bit
about biblical, we talk a littlebit about leadership, and we do
throw in a lot of dad jokesjust because we like it.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
We can.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
We can, and we decided that's what we're going
to do to entertain ourselves,because I mean with all our
three listeners, all right we'vegot lots of listeners, yes, and
all over the country now.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
All over the country, yeah, yeah, it's so fun Over
the pond and all kinds ofdifferent places, and we're into
our third year now.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Third year.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
It's crazy third year now.
Third year.
It's crazy, it's crazy.
So do you want to give a little?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
synopsis of where we've been in the last year.
Last year, I mean, we've beenworking through the book of John
.
Yes, we have.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I think this is our 12th week on the book of John.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
We'll be with you for another couple of weeks on the
book of John.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
We're only with you for another couple weeks on the
book of John we're only onchapter 10, but I think this is
week 7 or 8 on the book of John.
Yeah, it's all right.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
No, I mean if you've been following us or if you're
new or if you haven't.
We've been going through allthe books of the Bible, started
with the Old Testament andworked through that and now
we're going through the NewTestament.
It was funny because the OldTestament we could lump a lot of
them together because it wasshort.
But now we're getting into thechapters where it's a lot of
(05:54):
information, a lot of key stuffin the Bible and we just can't
rush through it because I meanwe've got to really emphasize
some of these points and reallyjust make sure people are
getting the leadershipprinciples out of it.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, so let's just pause right there and talk about
the leadership principle youjust mentioned.
And that is rushing.
Okay, sometimes you have tohurry through things, but
sometimes you don't.
I mean you have to reallyprocess, you have to sit down
(06:30):
and think about it and get theinformation you need.
And if it's a small decision Imean leaders make hundreds of
decisions a day right, andsometimes leaders make the
mistakes that every decisiongets equal amount of brain time
(06:52):
and a good leader realizes no,this decision right here has
significant more consequences.
So I'm going to process it.
I might not make it today or Imight make it by 5 o'clock this
afternoon.
I'm not going to make itinstantaneously and I think that
is a learned skill.
(07:13):
But it's also good to haveother people around you when
you're learning that skill tosay, hey, what do you think
about this?
Or get two or three peoplearound, what do you think about
this?
Or your staff.
But some decisions you can justmake, you know, like your tight
face on your newsletter or thisor that or whatever.
(07:34):
But if it's a new logo, youknow we've seen companies lately
make some decisions about logosand they have to backtrack on
that and some decisions, and soit's like well, you know, maybe
those kind of big decisions thatare more public, involve more
people, just take a little bitlonger.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
So rushing sometimes is good, but sometimes it's not,
it is, and at the same timeit's the opposite too.
Sometimes people get hung up onall the details.
I mean think of I don't knowMalachi, if we could have spent
like seven weeks on Malachi.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
We could have.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
But I mean, he is the last prophet of the Old
Testament.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
But here's one of the I think one of the mistakes
some leaders make.
They try to please everybody.
Yeah, and you can't pleaseeverybody, you just can't.
And so you've got to thinkabout okay, if I'm the leader,
if I'm the CEO, if I'm beingpaid to make decisions, there's
(08:43):
going to be some decisions thatI make that people are not going
to like.
Oh yeah, so okay.
Then the question is what do Ido, knowing that?
Do I just make them?
Do I sit down with the peoplethat I know are not going to
like the decision I make?
Do we process that?
(09:03):
Do we have a conversation aboutit?
I know I've made some decisionsand then I realized in talking
with some people that you knowthat wasn't a good decision.
So you have to backtrack andchange your mind, and I just
think that is a good habit toget into is to listen to the
(09:24):
people that maybe disagree withyou, because they literally
could have the right opinion andyou've made a wrong decision.
So trying to please everybodyis not always good, but
listening to people after andbefore making a decision is
always good.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah, 100%.
Yeah, got to give an ear if youwant to get that team built.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, and so we're going to move into John, chapter
10 today.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
John, chapter 10.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, and John chapter 10 is a very unique
chapter in the Bible becauseJesus talks about being the
shepherd.
He's talking about being thegate.
There's lots of symbolism inthis particular chapter and a
(10:11):
lot of good information.
Preachers use this a lot totalk about shepherding their
people and there's a lot of goodleadership principles,
particularly in this particularchapter.
And so let's just start at thevery beginning of the chapter,
(10:32):
and it'll probably take us thispodcast to go through John
chapter 10.
But at the very beginning,Jesus talking about being the
door of the sheepfold and let mejust give a kind of historical
background to that.
(10:52):
Many times in Israel the fencesback then were made out of
stone because sheep don'tnaturally jump, because sheep
don't naturally jump.
And so they would build a stonefence and a pen and they would
keep their sheep there at night.
(11:12):
In the daytime they would goout, but the shepherd's job was
to protect the sheep and to keepany wolves or anything from
that.
And so what a great leadershipprinciple.
Part of the job of the leaderis to confront any adversaries
(11:36):
that might come in.
It could be another company, itcould be an attitude, it could
be a work ethic.
There's all kinds of things thatcould begin to bring problems
(11:56):
to let's just use the examplehere to the sheep, to your
employees, to your workers toyour co-workers, to your team, a
lot of issues and I believethat the leader's job is to see
those coming and to try to dealwith them before they actually
get there.
Now, sometimes you just can'tget them all, okay, but a good
(12:20):
leader realizes hey, there'ssomething wrong, let's address
that so we can get that rightoff the bat from John, chapter
10.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Right yeah.
So what was the story about theshepherd and the sheep?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Okay.
So when they made a sheep foldor a sheep pen, let's just say
you had a hundred sheep or morethan that, but you had a round
or a square pen made out of rockat a certain height, but there
was an opening where there wereno rocks and it was a custom for
(12:56):
the shepherd to actually sleepin that opening.
Oh, really yes to sleep in thatopening.
So if the sheep were going togo out, they actually had to
step on the sheep.
Oh nice and the shepherd wouldwake up.
Sometimes there'd be more thanone shepherd, so they'd take
turns, but if they were going togo out and then in the morning
the shepherd would get up andall the sheep would go out.
(13:18):
At night they would come backin.
So that's the symbolism of thischapter, and Jesus says I am
that person that lays there, I'mthe door, I'm the keeper of the
sheep.
And so to me, what a greatleadership principle he's
talking about.
If there's anything that'sgoing to go in and out of the
company, good or bad, it needsto come through me.
(13:41):
And that's what was Jesussaying and I think that's what
leaders do is they are thefilter through which things come
in and out of the company.
Now they can't.
I mean, you might have anemployee that has a great idea,
you know.
And so just think if you workedfor a car company and you were
(14:02):
working on the line.
If you worked for a car companyand you were working on the
line, okay, you installedwindshields or you installed
door handles or whatever, andall of a sudden you had a great
idea, either how to do it betteror how to make the design
better for the customer.
You wouldn't wait for the CEOof the car company to come up
(14:24):
with that idea.
You would say, hey, I've got anidea that might make our
product better, might be less,you know, costly, and you would
be hopefully have an avenue toshare that information.
And so the leader might not bethe one that comes up with all
the great ideas, but they haveto be open to listening to ideas
(14:45):
from their people.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah, and that happened with Saturn cars.
Remember Saturn.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I do remember Saturn.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Well, when Saturn first came out, pretty much they
would make it about two milesdown the road before something
fell off of them, because theywere just not well built.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Get out the factory floor.
They were horrible.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
So they went back to everybody and it's like you know
what's going on.
And they're like oh yeah, wesaw that.
Why didn't you say anything?
Because if I say something,something I risk getting fired.
And they went to this person,next person on the line, and
they said do you see this?
Yeah, I saw it.
Well, why didn't you fix it?
Ain't my job to fix it.
And they kept going.
(15:25):
So they shut down, they fixedall the stuff, they interviewed
a lot of the people and thenthey put a big button on there
and that button was encouraged.
If they saw something that wasa mistake, to go over and hit
that button and they rewardedthe person for pointing it out.
And they changed the culture ofyou're going to get fired
because you shut down and we'vegot to keep this line going,
(15:46):
because if you have one shutdownthat shuts down the whole plant
.
And that's big dollars.
So they rewarded them forpointing things out and shutting
down the thing and it became achange of culture.
And then Saturn cars actuallybecome more reliable over the
years and that car brandsurvived, sort of based on that
(16:07):
theory.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Wow, what a great concept, but you had to have
good leaders be willing to dothat.
But they'd already investedbillions of dollars into the
factory and all that kind ofstuff, the tooling, the
employees, and so what a verygood leader to say, hey, this is
not working for us, we need togo in a different direction.
(16:28):
And that's really good, becausesometimes leaders will say you
know, we've never done it thatway before and we're not going
to start now.
And you know I was thinking ofI was reading a news article the
other day about Kodak and howthey didn't embrace digital
(16:51):
technology.
Embrace digital technology andit's really cost them.
And so, and think aboutBlockbuster or think about
Redbox, you know those companiesthat were so big, they made a
big splash, but they didn't lastthe test of time.
And because they were unwillingto do something, the leader
said, no, we're good, we're notgoing to innovate, we're not
(17:13):
going to change, we're not goingto do something different,
we're good where we are.
And then, within 10, 20 years,we're good, we're not going to
innovate, we're not going tochange, we're not going to do
something different, we're goodwhere we are.
And then, within 10, 20 years,they're gone, they're just
history.
I did read that I think it'ssomewhere in Oregon.
There's still one Blockbusterstore you can rent it and you
can stay the night there.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
They have the.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
VCRs.
Watch the TV VCRs.
You watch the TV VCRs.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
It's like a bed and breakfast blockbuster store.
So yeah, it's sort of crazy.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
When we were on vacation this last summer with
our daughter and her boyfriend,we were in Alaska and we stayed
in an Airbnb and guess what?
They had VHS tapes Nice.
They had a library.
They could have opened up theirown Blockbuster.
(18:01):
I mean, they had hundreds andhundreds, hundreds of just like
a library.
It could have filled that walleasily in our studio, just of
all these different VHS tapes.
No DVDs, just VHS tapes.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
But I think the question on everybody's mind,
all the listeners right now didthey have a sign up that says be
kind and rewind, Be kind?
No, well, they should have,because we had to rewind the
tape.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
We listened, we watched some because we were in
Alaska, so we watched some movieabout Alaska or something, and
it'd been a while since I'd seenit.
I can't remember the name of it, like iron will or something
like that, and um, and it waslike wow, that was interesting,
you know, because it's grainyand the TV's old.
(18:51):
But it was one of the and thatwasn't one of those TV VCR
combos.
It actually had a separate unitHardcore ones, yeah, very
hardcore, but it's like wow,that's back from like the 80s.
And so we asked the owner ofthis Airbnb, because he had
several cabins there and in thelaundry room, I mean, we had a
(19:11):
dresser.
The TV was on top of thisdresser and it was a small TV, I
mean it was maybe a 15-inch TVVCR, and the dresser was full of
VHS tapes.
Okay, so I just happened theyhad a laundry facility there on
the property, so I just happenedto walk over to see where the
laundry facility was and Iwalked in.
(19:32):
One side there were severalwasher and dryers.
The other side, hundreds of VHSlibrary was right there.
And I'm thinking wow, now youhave vinyl here on your wall.
Vinyl is coming back.
I don't think VHS is comingback but vinyl is coming back
(19:53):
and there's something aboutlistening to vinyl.
You know that just soundsalmost live.
I don't know what it is, butit's just great.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I think back to how many cassettes I had.
And then one day I was moving,I'm like I'll just buy the DVD
and I threw all my cassettesaway.
I was like I'll just buy allnew DVDs and that's not a
problem.
But yeah, I threw them all awaybecause I just got sick of
moving around, right?
Yeah, oh well, would have likedto have those now.
Yeah, just train shows.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
So, as some people know who are listening that I
used to be in a car show hobby,yeah, and I had a 55 Ford show
truck and I'd go to car shows,Ford show truck and I'd go to
car shows and every so oftenyou'd have a 1968 Trans Am or
something like that with a tapedeck in it.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah, a track tape deck.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yes, and they'd be playing and it'd be working.
It's like how is that thingstill working?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Love it.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Anyway, let's go back to leadership.
So leaders understand thatsometimes things need to change.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I'm down a whole memory lane there, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
And sometimes things don't need to change.
Yes, and there's consequencesfor both, and so I don't know
how that relates to John,chapter 10, but it's a good
leadership principle.
And so here's the thing theshepherd was willing to give his
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or her life for the sheep, andsometimes that is literal, but
sometimes that's figuratively,because what happens if a wolf
or whatever was attacking thesheep?
The shepherd had to defend.
They had their staff, they hadtheir rod, so they had to get
(21:45):
involved with the fight andinstead of just staying behind
and watching it happen, they hadto be willing to defend the
sheep, and so that would be.
Another leadership principle isis the CEO, the leader, willing
to defend their people?
(22:06):
Are they willing to stand upand are they willing to fight
for their people?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yeah, great leaders put their people above their own
agenda sometimes you know, soit's sort of just step in and
make sure that they feel safe,they have everything they need
and know that you have theirback.
You know that's a lot of times.
You know a lot of times themorale thing is just because
(22:30):
your leader is flip-floppy,right, you know, and you can't
read that leader and you don'tknow.
And I always tell them and I'vesaid it many times on here I
don't care if you're a badleader, just be consistent, be a
bad leader, because then I canwork with you.
I know what you're going to say.
You're going to say some bozothing that makes no sense, but
I'll do it myself my own way.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
If you're going back and forth, you're being
passive-aggressive and it'sgoing to mess things up and
people can't predict what you'redoing, and that just causes all
kinds of issues.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
It just does.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
And so yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Wonderful, yeah, so let's just keep going through
John, chapter 10.
And so this whole passage aboutJesus talking about the sheep
that's in the first part of thechapter and it goes all the way
down to verse 18.
And then he gets there's otherthings and he's talking about
(23:30):
the feast, and and so the restof the chapter.
Jesus is just basicallyfocusing on specific things
People confronting him, they'rechallenging him and he is
(23:55):
defending that, or he's speakingback to these people, and so
one of the things that we canget from that is your actions
have to be— Just don't talk.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Let your actions— Very well said.
I couldn't think of the words.
It can't just be talk, it can'tbe all words.
It has to be actions.
It has to be actions.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
And so here's the thing I learned.
I'm going to tell a story onmyself, true story, okay, but
it's about making a promise,don't expect it, no other way.
Yeah, exactly right.
Other way yeah, exactly right.
So back in the 90s, when ourchildren were young, I had an
(24:44):
opportunity for a conference togo to Colorado Springs.
And while we're in ColoradoSprings, the whole family was
there.
We went up or the cog train upto the top of Pikes Peak.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Oh yeah, I love.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Pikes Peak.
Yeah, pikes Peak was awesome.
And so we're up on the top ofPikes Peak.
Oh yeah, I love Pikes Peak.
Yeah, pikes Peak was awesome.
And so we were up on the top ofPikes Peak and this person,
this man, was walking up andfinishing the trail.
And so our son was 10 at thetime and his name is Matt and
our daughter's name is Tricia,and he said Dad, can we hike up
(25:18):
to the peak?
I said when you're 12.
When you're 12.
Well, I didn't think anythingabout it, but I had made a
promise.
And so at that particular time,we lived in a two-story house.
Our bedroom was downstairs, thekids' bedroom was upstairs and
we also had an extra roomupstairs.
That was like a study, but Ihad an exercise bicycle up there
(25:40):
.
I hadn't heard a word aboutanything About a year later.
One morning it had to be aSaturday because it wasn't
school one morning I hear thisnoise and I'm thinking what in
the world is happening.
And so I'm thinking something'shappened with one of the kids.
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And so I run upstairs and I gointo this extra room and our son
he's 11 by this time and he'son my exercise bicycle and he is
pedaling as fast as he can go.
And I said, son, what are youdoing, you know?
And he said I'm getting readyfor the peak.
(26:24):
It'd been a year that I had madea promise, and I learned a
valuable lesson that particularday that made me a better father
.
And that is when you make apromise, and that is when you
make a promise, you need to keepit, and so that means that you
can't just be all talk, you haveto be action, and action speaks
(26:46):
so loud, especially to children.
So let me just say this to allmoms and dads out there that are
listening Be careful what youpromise your children, because
they'll remember, and you don'twant to be known for a parent
that promises things but neverfollows through with actions.
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And if you're a leader.
The same principle is so trueyou will elevate yourself in the
eyes of your people, yourselfin the eyes of your people.
It doesn't matter if you're thehead of the tennis team, a
(27:30):
softball team, a scout troop, anarchery it doesn't matter.
If you make a promise and youdon't keep your promise, okay,
people are going to rememberthat.
And if you do it more than once, that's what they're going to
be thinking about you.
And once you get in the habitof breaking promises, it takes a
long, long time to overcomethat mindset in the eyes of your
people.
And so if you have done thatand you recognize that, or
(27:57):
people have told you that, justconfess it to your people and
just say, hey, I am going to domy best to do better.
If I promised you something, ifwe're going to have a monthly
luncheon, you know I promisedthat before.
We've never done it.
I'm sorry.
We're going to start next week.
We're going to do that.
Just keep your word.
You know and that was our veryfirst lesson two years ago Are
(28:19):
you a person of your word?
And it's the same principle,you know.
Don't just say it, do it.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, 100% yeah, and so that's what Jesus is talking
about here.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
He was a person of his word.
He just doesn't talk.
Now, people didn't like what hewas saying.
They didn't like what he wasdoing, no, but he said you know,
I'm just who I am the Fatherand I are one, and I'm going to
do what the Father tells me todo and that's what I'm doing.
And they didn't like it andwe'll talk about the
consequences of all that here inthe coming weeks.
(28:52):
But there are going to beconsequences.
If you keep your promises,there's going to be consequences
.
If you keep your promises,there's going to be consequences
.
If you break your promises,there's going to be consequences
.
So that's an important lessonand I was just sharing this the
other day with some people.
You know and I've said thisbefore on our podcast we can
choose to do anything we want todo, but we can't always choose
(29:14):
the consequences.
But we can't always choose theconsequences.
But if you're a promise keeper,okay, and you say things and
you actually do them, theconsequences are normally good.
Okay.
If you promise things and youdon't keep them, the
consequences are normally notgood, and you might not see
those consequences immediately,but over time, morale weakens
(29:38):
passion, weakens interest in thecompany, it just starts going
downhill.
So just be a person of yourword, be a person that keeps
their promises, and yourleadership will just be on a
whole other level, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
And speaking of keeping our word, you're the
official dad joke person.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I have so many dad jokes I don't know about that.
No, you're the official.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I think everybody would agree to that.
But yeah, we're rolling downhere towards the end.
We made it through Chapter 10.
We're going to hit John 11 nextweek.
But before we get out of here,if you want to hang out with us,
dr Posey, if you're first timehere, we're going to have a
little few dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
We're going to have a few dad jokes.
So I don't know how thishappened, but I just probably
have 100 dad jokes today.
I know we don't have time forme to share all of them.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah, you said you come across a lot of good dad
jokes randomly.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah, I just come across them and I just do, okay.
So what's the differencebetween black-eyed peas and
chickpeas?
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Black-eyed peas and chickpeas.
Black eyed peas and chickpeas.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
One got in a fight, not even close, okay so black
eyed peas can sing us a song,but chickpeas can only hum us
one nice, that was almost agroaner.
Well, I can't promise these aregoing to be anything but
(31:24):
groaners.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Hey, I got to tell you about one thing that I came
across.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
There's a restaurant, I think it's in Frisco, that
it's burgers, smash burgers anddad jokes Really, and it's
called Dad Joke Burgers orsomething.
So with every burger you getlike a dad joke and they promote
it.
They have it on differentthings in the restaurant and
(31:50):
yeah, I'm going to have toresearch it, but I saw that the
other day.
I'm like what the world?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
So if you bring your own dad jokes, you get a free
drink or something.
Yeah, I don't know.
Oh, only on the weekends.
Yeah, so far.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I mean that's when they were going to be open.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Well, maybe we need to take our brides up there.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
We might have to take the brides up there, where are?
We going, oh, we're going to afancy place.
Pull up the dad jokes.
You want ketchup on that?
Oh okay.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
So, speaking of the weekend, what is the best way to
watch a fly fishing tournament?
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Fly fishing tournament.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I don't know Livestream, of course.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
All right.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I'll give you that one.
You get it.
I'll give you that one, okay,so what do you get?
This, might you know, I'llfinish this in a minute, but
what do you get when you cross apig with a dinosaur?
Ooh A large pork sandwich, Idon't know.
(32:57):
Jurassic pork, nice.
So where our daughter lives upin the eastern part of the
United States, there is arestaurant called 50-50, and
it's hamburgers, 50% beef, 50%bacon.
Oh, my goodness, see I could dothat.
I love mixing bacon in withthat it's so good.
(33:21):
If you don't like bacon, it'snot bacon's fault right?
Speaker 1 (33:23):
No, it's not.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Everything tastes better with bacon.
Everything tastes better withbacon.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Okay so I've got only a few more, a few hundred more.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
What do you call a paper airplane that can't fly?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Stationary.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Nice, I was trying to really think about that.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I've really been thinking about your jokes today,
so I saw a video the other dayonline of this paper airplane
that was like 20 feet long.
I mean, they had this thing andthey got on a big hill and it
took one guy he was running andhe threw it and this other guy
ran down the hill to try tocatch it and it actually flew.
I mean this thing was a massive.
(34:09):
Oh Well, okay, so why?
Here's the last one I'm lookingat the time.
Yes, you know what it meanswhen a pastor looks at his watch
.
It means absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Okay, so here we go.
Okay, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Why did the invisible man turn down the job offer?
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Boss couldn't tell if he's doing a good job or not.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Well, he just couldn't see himself doing it.
All right, we'll just stopright there.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
I like it.
That was sort of a low-key,casual dad jokes.
If they stuck in, they heardsome dad jokes.
So hey, check us outbiblicalleadershipshowcom and
let us know some dad jokes, letus know your thoughts, please,
believe it or not, and we talkabout this more than not.
I'm sure there's a lot ofpeople out there groaning about
(35:02):
the dad jokes, but we actuallyget a lot of great comments
about the dad jokes.
It just cuts the monotony andit's a balanced show with
everything.
(35:25):
What other podcast anywhere hasthis quality of dad jokes?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
I'm not saying quantity, I'm saying quality.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Yeah, there you go.
All right, it's just becauseour listeners keep sending us
good ones.
All right, check us outbiblicalleadershipshowcom.
Other than that, dr P, take usout.
Hey, make it a great day.
Thank you.
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