August 19, 2025 • 36 mins
The journey through the Gospels continues as we transition from Luke to John, exploring the profound leadership lessons embedded in the fourth Gospel's unique perspective. While the synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) share many similarities, John's account stands apart with its distinctive theological depth and intimate portrayal of Jesus.
John's Gospel begins with one of the most profound declarations in human history - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." This powerful statement establishes Jesus's identity before describing his actions, offering modern leaders a crucial reminder that who we are fundamentally matters more than what we accomplish. Our leadership flows from our character, not merely our achievements.
The conversation takes a fascinating turn when examining John the Baptist, whose leadership exemplifies the principle of "staying in your lane." Despite attracting massive crowds and being mistaken for the Messiah, John maintained crystal-clear focus on his purpose as a signpost pointing to Jesus. His humble declaration that "He must increase, but I must decrease" demonstrates a selflessness rarely seen in leadership today. When team members venture outside their defined roles, the resulting friction damages organizational effectiveness - a practical leadership challenge many still face.
A younger guest brings thoughtful questions about what leadership qualities made John the Baptist effective despite performing no miracles. The ensuing discussion highlights timeless leadership traits: boldness, integrity, presence, truthfulness, and consistency between private actions and public statements. These qualities attract followers more powerfully than charismatic manipulation or flashy performances.
The episode also explores the fascinating history of Bible translation and preservation, drawing connections to the Museum of the Bible in Washington DC. This historical context underscores another leadership principle: meaningful missions often require sacrifice, as demonstrated by countless individuals throughout history who gave their lives to ensure future generations could access these sacred texts.
Whether you're leading a business, ministry, family, or simply seeking to influence others positively, these ancient wisdom principles offer a pathway to more meaningful and sustainable leadership. What areas of your life might benefit from greater clarity about your purpose and role?
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Alrighty welcome.
Yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on,come on, Alrighty welcome,
welcome, welcome, welcome,welcome, welcome, welcome,
welcome, welcome, welcomewelcome.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Hey Tim Welcome.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
How you doing, dr Posey, I'm doing fantastic.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
You know we're having a good day.
We are having a great day,Great day.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
We are.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Ready to jump into some dad jokes?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
and the book of John.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
In that order.
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Can you believe we're not in Luke.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
We did a record Five weeks on one book.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Five weeks on one book.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
That's pretty amazing .
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, and we were just skimming the surface.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, we were.
We actually could have probablydone three more on it actually
easily, easy, easy easy.
But yeah, we're going to moveinto John today, but we're
actually doing this a little bitpre-recorded.
We're in here on a Monday nightjust because I have a conflict
tomorrow during our show time.
I want to make sure that we gotthis in.
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I didn't want to delay anythingand that explains this other
thing that might be sitting inthe studio and I say it's thang
one, thang one, I've got a thangnumber one here.
Hey, hey.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Hey Lisa, how are you doing Good?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Good.
Miss Lisa's in the studio, Hi.
She got out of school and she'shanging out at Dad's office
today.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
And I finished my homework.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Finished the homework , so she is in here.
She wanted to come and do alittle podcasting with us.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Okay, so here we go, you ready.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
All right.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
What do mermaids use to wash their fins?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
I don't know, what do they use?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Tide.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I have got one too.
You do, oh, you got one too,All right.
This one's a pun.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
It's a pun.
Mm-hmm, is it fun?
But it is a pun, yes, all right.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I didn't lick my beard at first.
Then it grew on me.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Okay, here's another one.
Where do rainbows go?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I don't know when do they go?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
They go to prism.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
It's a light sentence , but it gives them time to
reflect.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
That was a long one, wasn't it?
Long rainbow joke.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Wait, this one's funny.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
All right, one more.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
What do you call an academically successful piece of
bread?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Wow, I'm thinking hard on this one.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
What do you call an academically what Successful
piece of bread?
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Toast.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Nope, dad, you got an answer I don't.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
An honor, don't an honor roll an honor roll.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
That was good.
I'd never heard that one beforeI hadn't heard that one either.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yes, you did all.
Right, dr prosy, you haveanything that you want to tell
us or we want to get into?
This, john yeah john let'slet's do a.
Give us an idea.
Idea of what John is right.
How's it we got John 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 12, 14, 17.
How's?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
this work.
So the apostle John, who is oneof Jesus' 12 apostles, he
actually wrote five books.
In the New Testament there's 27books.
He wrote five of them.
Okay, so this first one that weread here is the Gospel of John
.
Now, as we get later, towardthe very end of the New
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Testament, we read 1, 2, and 3John.
Okay, 2 and 3 John are reallyreally short.
And then he also wrote the Bookof Revelation.
So those are the, and then healso wrote the book of
Revelation.
So those are the five booksthat the Apostle John wrote.
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I would say that the—now severalweeks ago, when we started
talking about the book ofMatthew, we talked about the
synoptic gospels, the synopticgospels meaning Matthew, mark
and Luke, because they're sosimilar.
That's why they call themsynoptic gospels.
The synoptic gospels meaningMatthew, mark and Luke, because
they're so similar.
That's why they call themsynoptics.
The Gospel of John is not partof that because it's a totally
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different style.
It doesn't have some of thesame characteristics as Matthew,
mark and Luke.
So you have Matthew, mark andLuke and then you have the
Gospel of John.
John, chapter 1 is some of themost especially the very first
part some of the most profoundwords that have ever been
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written in human history,talking about Jesus and who he
was and what he did, and it justhad to be God-inspired.
And so when we read that,there's a lot of things we could
talk about theologically andthat's really not the purpose of
this podcast.
If anyone has any questionsabout John, chapter 1, please
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email me atbiblicalleadershipshowcom.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, that one, that one, that one, that one too.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, that one, and we'll get into a conversation
about it, because it's a veryprofound and meaningful, very
deep theological statement aboutwho Jesus is.
But today, in our podcast we'recoming up on two years now, is
about leadership.
So what can we learn from Johnchapter 1?
And hopefully we'll get pastJohn chapter 1 today, but we
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might not.
It took us five weeks to getthrough the gospel of Luke.
And so we might take five weeksto get through the gospel of
John, just because it's sodifferent and so powerful.
So this is John's version.
He was one of the 12.
He was one of the—when Jesusdid some things.
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He would ask Peter, james andJohn to go with him, and so he
was one of the inner three ofthe people that were close to
Jesus, and so he had someexperiences that some of the
other disciples did not, and hetook the time to write down some
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of his experiences.
He says at the very end of hisbook that if we wrote down
everything that Jesus did, theworld could not contain the
books.
So here we have three years ofhis experience with Jesus, and
he writes down some of thehighlights of that experience.
A significant part of thatwriting, really starting with
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John 13, is the very last week.
So you have 12 chapters oflessons and stories and
teachings about three years ofJesus' life, and so that's how
that's built around Now is thethree years broken.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
chronological, is it that the one, two, three, or is
that just Well?
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Some of the stuff we know pretty early, like when
John the Baptist came.
We see that in John chapter one.
And then we have the lesson ofCana in John chapter two, which
was Jesus' first miracle.
So, yes, some of it's chron,but you have three years
basically written down in 12chapters, and so a lot of things
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that Jesus did taught werenever written down because there
was so much to write down.
And so John's reflecting yearslater about how can I tell the
story of Jesus, and he picks outthose things that he feels are
most significant to talk aboutwho Jesus was, why he believes
he's the Savior, and he writesthose down.
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And so we have the book of Johnand it's just a profound
writing and a lot we can learnfrom it.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
That's awesome.
That's awesome Do you have anyquestions you good.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I did have a question .
Yes, do you have any questions.
You good, I did have a question, yes, so it's weird, but which
one did he write Luke orRevelations first?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
He wrote the Gospel of John first, and then he wrote
1 John, 2 John, 3 John, andthen he wrote the very end of
his life.
He wrote the book of Revelation.
And so he was exiled.
You know what that means.
He was taken away from his homeand put to a different place,
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and while he was in thatdifferent place on an island, he
had a vision, and that is thebook of Revelation.
So he wrote that at the very,very end of his life.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
So he wrote like his last, he wrote like his visions
down.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
At the very end and it was a vision of the end times
and when we get to the book ofRevelation, which you know.
I don't know when that's goingto happen, but we'll eventually
get there.
There's a lot.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Might be a couple of years.
Yeah, could be, could be.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
But we'll eventually get there and there's just so
much that he saw and he wrotedown.
Some of it's very difficult toexplain, but we'll do the best
we can and we'll go from there.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Okay, all right, that's awesome Good.
All right, let's get into itand talk about John 1, right.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yes, john, 1.
So yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
No, it's fine.
I was just looking at some ofmy show prep.
I've got you know the verse 1through 5.
It starts talking about theeternal word.
In the beginning was the word,and the word was with God and
the word was God.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, yeah, so pretty strong statement there.
Very powerful statement.
And so here is John isidentifying who Christ is, not
just what he did, not just themiracles.
He's talking about who Jesus isand he's basically saying Jesus
is God is, and he's basicallysaying Jesus is God.
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Okay, so talking about identity.
Later he talks about hischaracter, all that stuff, but
he really begins his whole bookby talking about the identity of
Jesus.
And so when we talk aboutleadership, we need to be
thinking about, okay, what is my?
Is my identity just because ofwho, what I do, or do I have an
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identity apart from what I do?
Is it just who I am?
Is my integrity built on mycharacter?
Is it built on my jobperformance?
Is it built on you know, whatis my integrity built on?
And so John's saying, hey, wecould talk about what Jesus did,
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but we're going to start bytalking about who he was or who.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah, let me think how I want to say it.
So, basically, jesus was calledthe Word right, right, it's
sort of in a thing right, wecould get into the Greek logos
and we could get into all that,but he was the Word of God.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
So, yes, that was his .
That was Jesus, was the Word,and the Word meaning Jesus
became flesh, so Jesus became ahuman being.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Would that influence the way that we should perceive?
Or listen to Scripture today,if Jesus is the Word, if I'm
trying, to go deep right.
I was thinking about how thatsort of did, because then we
were talking about the word.
I mean, we always talk aboutJesus, the word and the
scripture and all that stuff,but is there a deeper meaning?
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Is where I'm trying to go onthis as well.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I think it's a very deep question, a very profound
one, a very relevant one,because, to answer your question
, yes.
So just think about the Bible,the whole Bible, 66 books, okay.
So you think about it and thisis the way I look at it.
Not everybody looks at it thisway, but the way I look at it is
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the whole thing is the Word ofGod.
I look at it is the whole thingis the Word of God and it's
God's love letter to us abouthow much he loves us.
And so the question is are wereading it as just like a novel?
Are we reading as a historybook?
Are we actually reading it assomething that God is sharing
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with us?
God is sharing His heart withus, and so what John is trying
to do is saying hey, God is notjust speaking to you through
prophets or nature or whatever.
No, God actually loves us somuch that he became a human
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being and came down as a To us,because we can see that God
loves us that much.
And so think about all theother religions in the world,
and there are thousands ofreligions in the world.
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There's many things thatdistinct Christianity from other
religions.
The God of Christianity, youknow, came down in human form,
became a human being, fully God,fully human, and then died for
the sins of his creation.
So the Creator became equalwith his creation—not equal, but
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he came down to his creation,died for the sins of his
creation and wants his creationto be with Him forever, in all
eternity.
There is no other religion likethat on the planet.
It never has been, never willbe.
So that's one of the distinctcharacteristics of Christianity,
and also John begins to discussthat right here in chapter one.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yes, ma'am, do you have a question?
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Okay, one.
Yes, ma'am, do you have aquestion?
Okay, so when we were inWashington recently, we went to
a biblical museum.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, the Museum of the Bible, yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
And there was like a little section and there's
apparently there's like somebanned languages that could
cause our government trouble ifwe distincted them.
There's like a lot of them,because there were like a whole
bunch of languages and they werelike cannot do it and then
because it's like, banned.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
They had the Bible translated in all the different
languages and they showed allthe different languages that
they miss, that they are missing, and it had, like this whole
wall wrapped.
It'd go wrap around my trainingroom, had all the different
languages translated and itshowed the ones that were banned
in their countries and theyhaven't been translated.
And if you happen to get a copyor you see a copy, let us know.
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We'd like to put it in thearchives of this museum and
stuff.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
And then there's like there's working on it, and then
there's like found it, there'sworking on it, and then there's
found it, can't find it?
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah it was pretty impressive and it went through
everything.
It was actually sort of cool tosee that all laid out.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
It took up the entire wall and they had it all built
up and then there's just banned,cannot do it.
Cause a lot of trouble if theydo.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah, exactly right, so that's a good statement there
.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
We were talking about how he becomes flesh and is
burned and I thought of that.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Okay.
So there was a man speaking ofthat many years ago, who wanted
to translate the Bible intoEnglish.
Oh, okay, because it hadn'tbeen translated into English yet
.
English, okay, because ithadn't been translated in
English yet it was in Latin, orit was in Greek, or it was in
Hebrew.
And he wanted to translate itinto English.
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His name was William Tyndale.
Okay, well, that was against theauthorities of the British
government and he was executedbecause of it.
So, over the years of time,over the 2,000 years of the
whole Bible being in existencewell, the whole Bible wasn't,
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you know, let's say 2,000 years,let's just put in a rough
estimate there have been manypeople, untold number of people,
who have lost their lives totranslate the Bible or to bring
the Bible to other cultures, andthat is just a tragedy upon
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tragedy that happened.
But what an incrediblestatement of people's faith that
that happened.
And so let's go back to theApostle John.
Okay, of the 12 apostles thatJesus had, okay, john was the
only one who wasn't martyred forhis faith.
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All the other ones were eithercrucified, beheaded, hanged,
something happened to them.
John was exiled to the islandand there he lived his last days
.
But, all the other ones werekilled for their faith.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
What did they try to do?
They were just they were.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
No, they didn't do that.
They were just sharing themessage of Jesus, and people
didn't like it, and so theyarrested them and we read that
James was killed and that wasJohn's brother, and so, and we
read in the book of Acts thatStephen was killed and he wasn't
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one of the original 12, but hewas one of the seven that we see
that was chosen.
And so people for the last 2,000years have been willing to die
so that we could have the Biblethat we have today, and
sometimes we forget the tragedyof that history.
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But we need to remember thatwhen we hold a Bible in our
hands, it didn't come to uswithout cost, and so we think
about the countless men andwomen who are willing to
sacrifice their life for thecause of Jesus and to make sure
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that the next generation wouldhave a Bible.
So when you go to the BiblicalMuseum in Washington DC, the
Museum of the Bible, and you seeall of that, every single one
of those translations that arenow the Bible's, translated into
hundreds of different languagesSomeone had to pay a price.
They might not have died for it, but they spent years of their
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life translating the Bible intothat language.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, I've got some statistics I was pulling up here
.
The complete Bible has beentranslated into around 756
languages languages.
The New Testament has beentranslated into an additional
1,726 languages 1,726 languages.
Smaller portions of the Biblehave been translated into 1,274
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other languages, and at leastsome portion of the Bible is
available in 3,756 languages.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Wow, that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah, so this wall was really impressive.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I would think so.
I've never been to that museum.
Oh, you would love it.
I bet it would be amazing.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Really really.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
They had this thing for kids where every floor had
like two stations at least andyou'd go to the station and if
you had a kid pass you'd scanyour kid pass and if you did all
the levels you would scan yourkid pass, and if you did all the
levels you would get a prizefor it.
Oh, it's a little pin, so it'slike an interactive thing.
Yes, an interactive thing atthe Museum of the.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Bible.
So any of our listeners, if youhappen to be in Washington DC,
it might be too late right nowthis year to go, because school
has started in most areas.
But next summer plan a trip toDC.
In addition to seeing themonuments, the Jefferson
Memorial, the White House, theCongress, the Supreme Court
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building, go to the Museum ofthe Bible, the Smithsonian
Institute.
I mean it would be incredible.
I'd look forward to that nexttrip.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, I highly recommend it.
It was pretty fun.
What else?
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Even if you live in DC, you can go there and it's
still really fun.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I bet so.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
And if you just keep on looking at stuff, there's
always new stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I bet Whoever put that together just had a vision
to teach people about the Bible.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, it was pretty cool and it had some really was
pretty cool and it had somereally really cool stuff.
It had some of the scrolls andstuff, just to see those.
They found the containers, theyhad all the pictures and then
they had one of the scrolls.
It was in a very long case andthey had it all scrolled out, so
you can see how they wrote andjust kept writing and writing
and writing and writing on theDead Sea Scrolls and stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
It was pretty cool.
So there's some really coolstuff in there Some old Bibles
from wherever.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
So anyway, last comment on that, and then we got
to get back to John.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
I remember there was like this thing where it told
you like how you would write,and I took a little quiz and it
turns out I'm like amultivariate writer from back
then.
Okay, nice.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah Well, writer from back then Okay, nice.
Yeah, well, they just wanted towrite it down and get it out,
you know, and so originally theywrote it down, and then one of
the things that reallyaccelerated the Bible being out
to people was the printing press, and so once that started being
mass produced, it justaccelerated people reading the
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Bible.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
And they showed how to do that.
They showed the printing pressin there.
They showed because you walkinto evolution of very beginning
and then you keep going throughthe different stations and it
shows you the printing press andyou could put letters together
and do it yourself.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
And it showed how they do it.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
It was pretty cool to go through the whole thought
process of everything.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
All right, so let's get back to.
John and we get to, you know,first 14, well, really, the
first 18 verses talk about Jesusand the Him becoming flesh, and
then we get to an amazingindividual named John the
Baptist.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Okay.
So we read about John theBaptist at the very beginning of
his story.
We read in the Gospel of Luke,chapter 1, where Zechariah and
Elizabeth were old.
Zechariah was a priest.
They'd been praying for a child.
The angel comes and appears toZechariah in the temple.
They'd been praying for a child.
The angel comes and appears toZechariah in the temple.
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He says your prayer's going tobe answered.
He doesn't believe him.
John the Baptist's father ismute until he's born.
When he's named, he startstalking.
He said no, his name is John.
So now we see this about 30years later, and John has come
on the scene to be a witness toJesus and he has such a powerful
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message.
But so people, and he wantspeople to be baptized and just
thousands of people are comingto him because there hasn't been
a prophet for 400 years and sosome of the people are thinking
that he is the Messiah.
And so we get to a reallypowerful leadership lesson right
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here when we talk about Johnthe Baptist.
And I'll let you.
You ran with that, so I'll justturn it back over to you Tim.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, one of the things that we sort of talked
about on there is when we weretalking sort of pre-show, and
everything we sort of talkedabout on there is, you know,
when we were talking sort ofpre-show and everything that I
sort of came up and prepped that.
You know, john the Baptist, Imean, he could have stood out
right, and I think that's one ofthose things that he didn't
claim to be a prophet and hevery well could have.
He could have gave, he couldhave stepped up and said, oh you
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know, this Jesus guy is great,but look at me, right, but he
didn't, because he knew his lane.
You know, and that's one of thethings leaderships, you know,
leaders know their lane.
He knew he wasn't the savior,he was just a signpost.
I think that's one of the thingsthat struck me, as you know,
really, really good, as leaders,you know, you stay rooted in
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your purpose.
If you know your lane, you knowwhat your purpose is.
And I look at this.
I surround myself with peoplethat know more than me.
I don't have to be the ego, Idon't have to be the person that
has the name on the billboardand all that, the big picture
and stuff.
I don't care the things likethat.
You know that isn't what it is.
If I can run everything behindthe scenes and nobody knows my
name, I'm totally okay with that, because we have a goal, we
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have a purpose and that's one ofthose things.
And sometimes you have to be inthe spotlight and you have to
be out there.
And John the Baptist I think hedid, but he was more about
being a spotlight for Jesus thanhe was about being the star,
and I think there's a lot too inleadership that you can learn
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from that and his actions.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I agree.
And at some point, when they'reconfronting people are asking
John the Baptist, and John theBaptist says he meaning Jesus.
Jesus must increase and I mustdecrease.
So what a powerful but humbleguy.
I think what you said earlier,just a few minutes ago, about
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staying in his lane.
He knew his lane, he stayed inhis lane.
He could have easily gone outof his lane and taken a lot of
the credit, a lot of thepublicity, a lot of the hype,
but he knew his lane, he knewthat wasn't his role.
And let's just go back toleadership.
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I think and I've had to dealwith this, unfortunately, more
times than I wanted to, but someof the issues that I've had
with employees is they don'tstay in their lane.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
And now I'm not against.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I'm very much for cross-training people, so if
someone's out, they can, youknow, fill in and those kinds of
stuff.
But when people don't stay intheir lane and you have your
accountant try to tell yoursalesperson how to do their job,
or to you know those kinds ofthings, or you have your you
know your PR person telling yourthis person how to do their job
(26:50):
, then that just createsconflict.
And so one of the things thatwe can do as leaders is to be
sure that people stay in theirlane and they know what their
lane is.
They know what the boundariesare.
Sometimes there's a little bitof gray area in between.
Okay, but when someone gets wayout of their lane and they do
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that continually, then in myopinion, a good leader confronts
that and holds those peopleaccountable to stay in their
lane, because when people areout of their lane, it just
creates conflict on the team andit's not productive at all.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, I think that's real important.
Did you have a question?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Yeah, how did?
Jesus didn't perform John,sorry, john didn't perform
miracles, yet crowds follow him.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Why do you think that is?
Speaker 2 (27:45):
What did you say?
Speaker 1 (27:47):
It says Jesus, go ahead and say it again.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
John didn't perform miracles, you mean.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Jesus didn't perform miracles, no, john.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
John.
John didn't perform miracles,but yet crowds still followed
him.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Because he was a powerful preacher and he was
calling people to repent andthey hadn't had someone be a
powerful prophet for 400 years.
So they were looking for theMessiah.
They thought that he might bethe Messiah.
When he was asked are you theMessiah?
He said no, I'm not.
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I'm not even good enough to tiethe sandals of the one that's
coming after me.
But my job is like your dadsaid I am the signpost.
My job is to point you to thatone who's coming after me.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Right, and I think that's that's an important point
you know she brings up.
You know, he, he, he, he wasjust a powerful presence, right,
he was speaking the word, hewas a signpost, he knew that.
You know what he was, what hislane was, what he was trying to
accomplish, and I think that's agood question there.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Go ahead.
One more, okay, so I have atwo-part question.
Okay so both of you are goingto answer for this one because
it's a personal question on youropinions.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
What leadership traits do you think John had to
have crowds attracted to him?
What leadership traits, what doyou all think?
Speaker 2 (29:13):
That's a great question yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Well, I think he had to have a presence to him.
He didn't have to be strongwith his words, but he had to be
good because he was a preacherright.
So he had to have powerfulwords.
He had to have some informationthat the message had to get out
to draw people in.
So what do you think, dr B I?
Speaker 2 (29:32):
think for him.
He was bold and he hadintegrity.
So, people knew he was livinghis message, and so integrity to
me means that whatever you do,you're consistent and what you
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say you're going to do, youactually do, and whatever you do
in private, you don't mindpeople knowing in public.
So there's nothing going to beembarrassing about it.
John was just a man withincredible integrity, but he was
bold because he believed in hismission.
Okay, so I think those are someof the leadership principles
(30:14):
that he had, and unfortunately,his life was cut short, you know
, because he was bold in his, inhis pronouncement of of what he
thought was right and wrong,and it cost him his life, but it
didn't waver because of theconsequences.
And I think sometimes a weakleader, you see something coming
(30:38):
down the road that might causesome problems and you start
wavering, and John never wavered, and I just think that is a
really good lesson.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Did you say you had two parts to that?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
I was like, I have my own personal opinion on it, so
I wanted to say my own yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
so what is your thinking?
Speaker 3 (30:55):
So I think he had honesty and I think he also had
this sort of presence.
Like my dad said, he alsoprobably was truthful and he had
a lot of friends, I assume.
I agree with you and I assumehe didn't tell lies to get his
own way.
I assume he only told truth,even when it was going to get
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somebody else in trouble.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Even when it was going to get him in trouble too.
He was willing to tell thetruth, and those are great
leadership principles.
Very good job, thank you.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Very good job.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Thank you, wow.
Well, we might as well.
So we come to the end ofchapter one, and so one of these
at the very end we see some ofJohn's disciples begin to follow
Jesus, and John was fine withthat because he knew the purpose
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wasn't for people to follow him.
The purpose was for people tofollow Jesus, and so I've seen
this happen and it's not good.
I'm sure it happens in businesstoo.
But if you have a leader who isgoing to step aside because a
new person is coming up, thenthey need to step aside.
(32:13):
Because a new person is comingup, then they need to step aside
.
They don't need to be involvedin trying to go behind the new
leader's back or this or that.
They need to turn all of thatover to the new person.
And I know for us, one of ourrules was that once we left a
(32:35):
church, we weren't supposed togo back there for two years, and
that was a hard rule.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
A hard rule.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
A very hard rule, but the reason was is what you
wanted?
To give the new pastor anopportunity to become the leader
, and if you were always goingback and talking to people, then
you didn't give the new persona chance to step up to that
leadership role.
So it was hard.
We dealt with that our entirelives.
But I see the value in doingthat and so good leaders, I
think when it's time to leave,they leave Okay.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
All right.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Speaking of leaving, let's leave, john.
I'm telling you and let's justask you a question.
Okay, what do you call the fearof giants?
Speaker 3 (33:25):
The fear of giants, giophobia.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Feefiphobia.
I have a fear of spiders, afear of spiders.
I know there's a name for that.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Is that what it is?
It's not called spiderphobia.
No, okay, ready I am ready,what do you?
Got.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
When is music like vegetables?
When is music like vegetables?
Speaker 2 (33:51):
When is music like vegetables, yep.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Don't know when you dance to the beat.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Oh, okay, what is the ?
Speaker 3 (34:08):
medical diagnosis for someone who owns too many dogs.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Dog lover, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know
Rover dose.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
How do turtles talk to each other?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
How do they talk to each other?
I?
Speaker 3 (34:26):
don't know, by using shell phones.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
By using shell phones by using shell phones.
All right, what else you got?
What do you call?
Speaker 3 (34:38):
a belt made of watches.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
What'd you say?
A ticking time bomb?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
What do you call a belt made of watches?
Oh, hold on, I just saw thisthe other day.
A waste of time.
Yay, okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
One more out of Ochevia and we're getting out of
here Letting the people go 30seconds left.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Posey first.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Me first oh.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Oh Okay.
What does a baby computer callits father?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
A datager.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
That's very close.
That's good Data Nice.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
All right, what's the last one?
You got the last one there.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
What do you call a pod of musical whales?
Speaker 2 (35:30):
A pod of musical whales.
A pod of musical whales.
Ooh that's a good one.
I haven't heard that one before.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
I don't know what An orchestra An orchestra.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Well, thank you guys for joining us today.
Check us out atbiblicalleadershipshowcom.
Do you remember how to take usout?
Biblicalleadershipshowcom.
Do you remember how to take usout?
Alisa?
She's like dang it, I couldhave.
I can't remember.
I think I do.
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Have a great, make it a good day Pretty close, right,
make it a great day, make it agreat day.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
All right guys?
Thank you, appreciate you andwe will talk to you next week.
Thank you guys.
Bye.
Alrighty welcome.
Yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on,come on, Alrighty welcome,
welcome, welcome, welcome,welcome, welcome, welcome,
welcome, welcome, welcomewelcome.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Hey Tim Welcome.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
How you doing, dr Posey, I'm doing fantastic.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
You know we're having a good day.
We are having a great day,Great day.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
We are.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Ready to jump into some dad jokes?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
and the book of John.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
In that order.
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Can you believe we're not in Luke.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
We did a record Five weeks on one book.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Five weeks on one book.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
That's pretty amazing .
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, and we were just skimming the surface.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, we were.
We actually could have probablydone three more on it actually
easily, easy, easy easy.
But yeah, we're going to moveinto John today, but we're
actually doing this a little bitpre-recorded.
We're in here on a Monday nightjust because I have a conflict
tomorrow during our show time.
I want to make sure that we gotthis in.
(01:25):
I didn't want to delay anythingand that explains this other
thing that might be sitting inthe studio and I say it's thang
one, thang one, I've got a thangnumber one here.
Hey, hey.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Hey Lisa, how are you doing Good?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Good.
Miss Lisa's in the studio, Hi.
She got out of school and she'shanging out at Dad's office
today.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
And I finished my homework.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Finished the homework , so she is in here.
She wanted to come and do alittle podcasting with us.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Okay, so here we go, you ready.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
All right.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
What do mermaids use to wash their fins?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
I don't know, what do they use?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Tide.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I have got one too.
You do, oh, you got one too,All right.
This one's a pun.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
It's a pun.
Mm-hmm, is it fun?
But it is a pun, yes, all right.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I didn't lick my beard at first.
Then it grew on me.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Okay, here's another one.
Where do rainbows go?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I don't know when do they go?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
They go to prism.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
It's a light sentence , but it gives them time to
reflect.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
That was a long one, wasn't it?
Long rainbow joke.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Wait, this one's funny.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
All right, one more.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
What do you call an academically successful piece of
bread?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Wow, I'm thinking hard on this one.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
What do you call an academically what Successful
piece of bread?
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Toast.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Nope, dad, you got an answer I don't.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
An honor, don't an honor roll an honor roll.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
That was good.
I'd never heard that one beforeI hadn't heard that one either.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yes, you did all.
Right, dr prosy, you haveanything that you want to tell
us or we want to get into?
This, john yeah john let'slet's do a.
Give us an idea.
Idea of what John is right.
How's it we got John 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 12, 14, 17.
How's?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
this work.
So the apostle John, who is oneof Jesus' 12 apostles, he
actually wrote five books.
In the New Testament there's 27books.
He wrote five of them.
Okay, so this first one that weread here is the Gospel of John
.
Now, as we get later, towardthe very end of the New
(03:51):
Testament, we read 1, 2, and 3John.
Okay, 2 and 3 John are reallyreally short.
And then he also wrote the Bookof Revelation.
So those are the, and then healso wrote the book of
Revelation.
So those are the five booksthat the Apostle John wrote.
(04:14):
I would say that the—now severalweeks ago, when we started
talking about the book ofMatthew, we talked about the
synoptic gospels, the synopticgospels meaning Matthew, mark
and Luke, because they're sosimilar.
That's why they call themsynoptic gospels.
The synoptic gospels meaningMatthew, mark and Luke, because
they're so similar.
That's why they call themsynoptics.
The Gospel of John is not partof that because it's a totally
(04:37):
different style.
It doesn't have some of thesame characteristics as Matthew,
mark and Luke.
So you have Matthew, mark andLuke and then you have the
Gospel of John.
John, chapter 1 is some of themost especially the very first
part some of the most profoundwords that have ever been
(04:58):
written in human history,talking about Jesus and who he
was and what he did, and it justhad to be God-inspired.
And so when we read that,there's a lot of things we could
talk about theologically andthat's really not the purpose of
this podcast.
If anyone has any questionsabout John, chapter 1, please
(05:19):
email me atbiblicalleadershipshowcom.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, that one, that one, that one, that one too.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, that one, and we'll get into a conversation
about it, because it's a veryprofound and meaningful, very
deep theological statement aboutwho Jesus is.
But today, in our podcast we'recoming up on two years now, is
about leadership.
So what can we learn from Johnchapter 1?
And hopefully we'll get pastJohn chapter 1 today, but we
(05:49):
might not.
It took us five weeks to getthrough the gospel of Luke.
And so we might take five weeksto get through the gospel of
John, just because it's sodifferent and so powerful.
So this is John's version.
He was one of the 12.
He was one of the—when Jesusdid some things.
(06:09):
He would ask Peter, james andJohn to go with him, and so he
was one of the inner three ofthe people that were close to
Jesus, and so he had someexperiences that some of the
other disciples did not, and hetook the time to write down some
(06:31):
of his experiences.
He says at the very end of hisbook that if we wrote down
everything that Jesus did, theworld could not contain the
books.
So here we have three years ofhis experience with Jesus, and
he writes down some of thehighlights of that experience.
A significant part of thatwriting, really starting with
(06:53):
John 13, is the very last week.
So you have 12 chapters oflessons and stories and
teachings about three years ofJesus' life, and so that's how
that's built around Now is thethree years broken.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
chronological, is it that the one, two, three, or is
that just Well?
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Some of the stuff we know pretty early, like when
John the Baptist came.
We see that in John chapter one.
And then we have the lesson ofCana in John chapter two, which
was Jesus' first miracle.
So, yes, some of it's chron,but you have three years
basically written down in 12chapters, and so a lot of things
(07:35):
that Jesus did taught werenever written down because there
was so much to write down.
And so John's reflecting yearslater about how can I tell the
story of Jesus, and he picks outthose things that he feels are
most significant to talk aboutwho Jesus was, why he believes
he's the Savior, and he writesthose down.
(07:57):
And so we have the book of Johnand it's just a profound
writing and a lot we can learnfrom it.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
That's awesome.
That's awesome Do you have anyquestions you good.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I did have a question .
Yes, do you have any questions.
You good, I did have a question, yes, so it's weird, but which
one did he write Luke orRevelations first?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
He wrote the Gospel of John first, and then he wrote
1 John, 2 John, 3 John, andthen he wrote the very end of
his life.
He wrote the book of Revelation.
And so he was exiled.
You know what that means.
He was taken away from his homeand put to a different place,
(08:42):
and while he was in thatdifferent place on an island, he
had a vision, and that is thebook of Revelation.
So he wrote that at the very,very end of his life.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
So he wrote like his last, he wrote like his visions
down.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
At the very end and it was a vision of the end times
and when we get to the book ofRevelation, which you know.
I don't know when that's goingto happen, but we'll eventually
get there.
There's a lot.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Might be a couple of years.
Yeah, could be, could be.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
But we'll eventually get there and there's just so
much that he saw and he wrotedown.
Some of it's very difficult toexplain, but we'll do the best
we can and we'll go from there.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Okay, all right, that's awesome Good.
All right, let's get into itand talk about John 1, right.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yes, john, 1.
So yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
No, it's fine.
I was just looking at some ofmy show prep.
I've got you know the verse 1through 5.
It starts talking about theeternal word.
In the beginning was the word,and the word was with God and
the word was God.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, yeah, so pretty strong statement there.
Very powerful statement.
And so here is John isidentifying who Christ is, not
just what he did, not just themiracles.
He's talking about who Jesus isand he's basically saying Jesus
is God is, and he's basicallysaying Jesus is God.
(10:17):
Okay, so talking about identity.
Later he talks about hischaracter, all that stuff, but
he really begins his whole bookby talking about the identity of
Jesus.
And so when we talk aboutleadership, we need to be
thinking about, okay, what is my?
Is my identity just because ofwho, what I do, or do I have an
(10:39):
identity apart from what I do?
Is it just who I am?
Is my integrity built on mycharacter?
Is it built on my jobperformance?
Is it built on you know, whatis my integrity built on?
And so John's saying, hey, wecould talk about what Jesus did,
(11:01):
but we're going to start bytalking about who he was or who.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah, let me think how I want to say it.
So, basically, jesus was calledthe Word right, right, it's
sort of in a thing right, wecould get into the Greek logos
and we could get into all that,but he was the Word of God.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
So, yes, that was his .
That was Jesus, was the Word,and the Word meaning Jesus
became flesh, so Jesus became ahuman being.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Would that influence the way that we should perceive?
Or listen to Scripture today,if Jesus is the Word, if I'm
trying, to go deep right.
I was thinking about how thatsort of did, because then we
were talking about the word.
I mean, we always talk aboutJesus, the word and the
scripture and all that stuff,but is there a deeper meaning?
(12:03):
Is where I'm trying to go onthis as well.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I think it's a very deep question, a very profound
one, a very relevant one,because, to answer your question
, yes.
So just think about the Bible,the whole Bible, 66 books, okay.
So you think about it and thisis the way I look at it.
Not everybody looks at it thisway, but the way I look at it is
(12:28):
the whole thing is the Word ofGod.
I look at it is the whole thingis the Word of God and it's
God's love letter to us abouthow much he loves us.
And so the question is are wereading it as just like a novel?
Are we reading as a historybook?
Are we actually reading it assomething that God is sharing
(12:51):
with us?
God is sharing His heart withus, and so what John is trying
to do is saying hey, God is notjust speaking to you through
prophets or nature or whatever.
No, God actually loves us somuch that he became a human
(13:12):
being and came down as a To us,because we can see that God
loves us that much.
And so think about all theother religions in the world,
and there are thousands ofreligions in the world.
(13:32):
There's many things thatdistinct Christianity from other
religions.
The God of Christianity, youknow, came down in human form,
became a human being, fully God,fully human, and then died for
the sins of his creation.
So the Creator became equalwith his creation—not equal, but
(13:57):
he came down to his creation,died for the sins of his
creation and wants his creationto be with Him forever, in all
eternity.
There is no other religion likethat on the planet.
It never has been, never willbe.
So that's one of the distinctcharacteristics of Christianity,
and also John begins to discussthat right here in chapter one.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yes, ma'am, do you have a question?
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Okay, one.
Yes, ma'am, do you have aquestion?
Okay, so when we were inWashington recently, we went to
a biblical museum.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, the Museum of the Bible, yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
And there was like a little section and there's
apparently there's like somebanned languages that could
cause our government trouble ifwe distincted them.
There's like a lot of them,because there were like a whole
bunch of languages and they werelike cannot do it and then
because it's like, banned.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
They had the Bible translated in all the different
languages and they showed allthe different languages that
they miss, that they are missing, and it had, like this whole
wall wrapped.
It'd go wrap around my trainingroom, had all the different
languages translated and itshowed the ones that were banned
in their countries and theyhaven't been translated.
And if you happen to get a copyor you see a copy, let us know.
(15:16):
We'd like to put it in thearchives of this museum and
stuff.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
And then there's like there's working on it, and then
there's like found it, there'sworking on it, and then there's
found it, can't find it?
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah it was pretty impressive and it went through
everything.
It was actually sort of cool tosee that all laid out.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
It took up the entire wall and they had it all built
up and then there's just banned,cannot do it.
Cause a lot of trouble if theydo.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah, exactly right, so that's a good statement there
.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
We were talking about how he becomes flesh and is
burned and I thought of that.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Okay.
So there was a man speaking ofthat many years ago, who wanted
to translate the Bible intoEnglish.
Oh, okay, because it hadn'tbeen translated into English yet
.
English, okay, because ithadn't been translated in
English yet it was in Latin, orit was in Greek, or it was in
Hebrew.
And he wanted to translate itinto English.
(16:12):
His name was William Tyndale.
Okay, well, that was against theauthorities of the British
government and he was executedbecause of it.
So, over the years of time,over the 2,000 years of the
whole Bible being in existencewell, the whole Bible wasn't,
(16:36):
you know, let's say 2,000 years,let's just put in a rough
estimate there have been manypeople, untold number of people,
who have lost their lives totranslate the Bible or to bring
the Bible to other cultures, andthat is just a tragedy upon
(16:56):
tragedy that happened.
But what an incrediblestatement of people's faith that
that happened.
And so let's go back to theApostle John.
Okay, of the 12 apostles thatJesus had, okay, john was the
only one who wasn't martyred forhis faith.
(17:19):
All the other ones were eithercrucified, beheaded, hanged,
something happened to them.
John was exiled to the islandand there he lived his last days
.
But, all the other ones werekilled for their faith.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
What did they try to do?
They were just they were.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
No, they didn't do that.
They were just sharing themessage of Jesus, and people
didn't like it, and so theyarrested them and we read that
James was killed and that wasJohn's brother, and so, and we
read in the book of Acts thatStephen was killed and he wasn't
(18:00):
one of the original 12, but hewas one of the seven that we see
that was chosen.
And so people for the last 2,000years have been willing to die
so that we could have the Biblethat we have today, and
sometimes we forget the tragedyof that history.
(18:22):
But we need to remember thatwhen we hold a Bible in our
hands, it didn't come to uswithout cost, and so we think
about the countless men andwomen who are willing to
sacrifice their life for thecause of Jesus and to make sure
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that the next generation wouldhave a Bible.
So when you go to the BiblicalMuseum in Washington DC, the
Museum of the Bible, and you seeall of that, every single one
of those translations that arenow the Bible's, translated into
hundreds of different languagesSomeone had to pay a price.
They might not have died for it, but they spent years of their
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life translating the Bible intothat language.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, I've got some statistics I was pulling up here
.
The complete Bible has beentranslated into around 756
languages languages.
The New Testament has beentranslated into an additional
1,726 languages 1,726 languages.
Smaller portions of the Biblehave been translated into 1,274
(19:36):
other languages, and at leastsome portion of the Bible is
available in 3,756 languages.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Wow, that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah, so this wall was really impressive.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I would think so.
I've never been to that museum.
Oh, you would love it.
I bet it would be amazing.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Really really.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
They had this thing for kids where every floor had
like two stations at least andyou'd go to the station and if
you had a kid pass you'd scanyour kid pass and if you did all
the levels you would scan yourkid pass, and if you did all the
levels you would get a prizefor it.
Oh, it's a little pin, so it'slike an interactive thing.
Yes, an interactive thing atthe Museum of the.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Bible.
So any of our listeners, if youhappen to be in Washington DC,
it might be too late right nowthis year to go, because school
has started in most areas.
But next summer plan a trip toDC.
In addition to seeing themonuments, the Jefferson
Memorial, the White House, theCongress, the Supreme Court
(20:35):
building, go to the Museum ofthe Bible, the Smithsonian
Institute.
I mean it would be incredible.
I'd look forward to that nexttrip.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, I highly recommend it.
It was pretty fun.
What else?
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Even if you live in DC, you can go there and it's
still really fun.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I bet so.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
And if you just keep on looking at stuff, there's
always new stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I bet Whoever put that together just had a vision
to teach people about the Bible.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, it was pretty cool and it had some really was
pretty cool and it had somereally really cool stuff.
It had some of the scrolls andstuff, just to see those.
They found the containers, theyhad all the pictures and then
they had one of the scrolls.
It was in a very long case andthey had it all scrolled out, so
you can see how they wrote andjust kept writing and writing
and writing and writing on theDead Sea Scrolls and stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
It was pretty cool.
So there's some really coolstuff in there Some old Bibles
from wherever.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
So anyway, last comment on that, and then we got
to get back to John.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
I remember there was like this thing where it told
you like how you would write,and I took a little quiz and it
turns out I'm like amultivariate writer from back
then.
Okay, nice.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah Well, writer from back then Okay, nice.
Yeah, well, they just wanted towrite it down and get it out,
you know, and so originally theywrote it down, and then one of
the things that reallyaccelerated the Bible being out
to people was the printing press, and so once that started being
mass produced, it justaccelerated people reading the
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Bible.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
And they showed how to do that.
They showed the printing pressin there.
They showed because you walkinto evolution of very beginning
and then you keep going throughthe different stations and it
shows you the printing press andyou could put letters together
and do it yourself.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
And it showed how they do it.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
It was pretty cool to go through the whole thought
process of everything.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
All right, so let's get back to.
John and we get to, you know,first 14, well, really, the
first 18 verses talk about Jesusand the Him becoming flesh, and
then we get to an amazingindividual named John the
Baptist.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Okay.
So we read about John theBaptist at the very beginning of
his story.
We read in the Gospel of Luke,chapter 1, where Zechariah and
Elizabeth were old.
Zechariah was a priest.
They'd been praying for a child.
The angel comes and appears toZechariah in the temple.
They'd been praying for a child.
The angel comes and appears toZechariah in the temple.
(23:08):
He says your prayer's going tobe answered.
He doesn't believe him.
John the Baptist's father ismute until he's born.
When he's named, he startstalking.
He said no, his name is John.
So now we see this about 30years later, and John has come
on the scene to be a witness toJesus and he has such a powerful
(23:32):
message.
But so people, and he wantspeople to be baptized and just
thousands of people are comingto him because there hasn't been
a prophet for 400 years and sosome of the people are thinking
that he is the Messiah.
And so we get to a reallypowerful leadership lesson right
(23:57):
here when we talk about Johnthe Baptist.
And I'll let you.
You ran with that, so I'll justturn it back over to you Tim.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, one of the things that we sort of talked
about on there is when we weretalking sort of pre-show, and
everything we sort of talkedabout on there is, you know,
when we were talking sort ofpre-show and everything that I
sort of came up and prepped that.
You know, john the Baptist, Imean, he could have stood out
right, and I think that's one ofthose things that he didn't
claim to be a prophet and hevery well could have.
He could have gave, he couldhave stepped up and said, oh you
(24:28):
know, this Jesus guy is great,but look at me, right, but he
didn't, because he knew his lane.
You know, and that's one of thethings leaderships, you know,
leaders know their lane.
He knew he wasn't the savior,he was just a signpost.
I think that's one of the thingsthat struck me, as you know,
really, really good, as leaders,you know, you stay rooted in
(24:48):
your purpose.
If you know your lane, you knowwhat your purpose is.
And I look at this.
I surround myself with peoplethat know more than me.
I don't have to be the ego, Idon't have to be the person that
has the name on the billboardand all that, the big picture
and stuff.
I don't care the things likethat.
You know that isn't what it is.
If I can run everything behindthe scenes and nobody knows my
name, I'm totally okay with that, because we have a goal, we
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have a purpose and that's one ofthose things.
And sometimes you have to be inthe spotlight and you have to
be out there.
And John the Baptist I think hedid, but he was more about
being a spotlight for Jesus thanhe was about being the star,
and I think there's a lot too inleadership that you can learn
(25:31):
from that and his actions.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I agree.
And at some point, when they'reconfronting people are asking
John the Baptist, and John theBaptist says he meaning Jesus.
Jesus must increase and I mustdecrease.
So what a powerful but humbleguy.
I think what you said earlier,just a few minutes ago, about
(25:54):
staying in his lane.
He knew his lane, he stayed inhis lane.
He could have easily gone outof his lane and taken a lot of
the credit, a lot of thepublicity, a lot of the hype,
but he knew his lane, he knewthat wasn't his role.
And let's just go back toleadership.
(26:14):
I think and I've had to dealwith this, unfortunately, more
times than I wanted to, but someof the issues that I've had
with employees is they don'tstay in their lane.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
And now I'm not against.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I'm very much for cross-training people, so if
someone's out, they can, youknow, fill in and those kinds of
stuff.
But when people don't stay intheir lane and you have your
accountant try to tell yoursalesperson how to do their job,
or to you know those kinds ofthings, or you have your you
know your PR person telling yourthis person how to do their job
(26:50):
, then that just createsconflict.
And so one of the things thatwe can do as leaders is to be
sure that people stay in theirlane and they know what their
lane is.
They know what the boundariesare.
Sometimes there's a little bitof gray area in between.
Okay, but when someone gets wayout of their lane and they do
(27:14):
that continually, then in myopinion, a good leader confronts
that and holds those peopleaccountable to stay in their
lane, because when people areout of their lane, it just
creates conflict on the team andit's not productive at all.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, I think that's real important.
Did you have a question?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Yeah, how did?
Jesus didn't perform John,sorry, john didn't perform
miracles, yet crowds follow him.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Why do you think that is?
Speaker 2 (27:45):
What did you say?
Speaker 1 (27:47):
It says Jesus, go ahead and say it again.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
John didn't perform miracles, you mean.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Jesus didn't perform miracles, no, john.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
John.
John didn't perform miracles,but yet crowds still followed
him.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Because he was a powerful preacher and he was
calling people to repent andthey hadn't had someone be a
powerful prophet for 400 years.
So they were looking for theMessiah.
They thought that he might bethe Messiah.
When he was asked are you theMessiah?
He said no, I'm not.
(28:21):
I'm not even good enough to tiethe sandals of the one that's
coming after me.
But my job is like your dadsaid I am the signpost.
My job is to point you to thatone who's coming after me.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Right, and I think that's that's an important point
you know she brings up.
You know, he, he, he, he wasjust a powerful presence, right,
he was speaking the word, hewas a signpost, he knew that.
You know what he was, what hislane was, what he was trying to
accomplish, and I think that's agood question there.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Go ahead.
One more, okay, so I have atwo-part question.
Okay so both of you are goingto answer for this one because
it's a personal question on youropinions.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
What leadership traits do you think John had to
have crowds attracted to him?
What leadership traits, what doyou all think?
Speaker 2 (29:13):
That's a great question yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Well, I think he had to have a presence to him.
He didn't have to be strongwith his words, but he had to be
good because he was a preacherright.
So he had to have powerfulwords.
He had to have some informationthat the message had to get out
to draw people in.
So what do you think, dr B I?
Speaker 2 (29:32):
think for him.
He was bold and he hadintegrity.
So, people knew he was livinghis message, and so integrity to
me means that whatever you do,you're consistent and what you
(29:53):
say you're going to do, youactually do, and whatever you do
in private, you don't mindpeople knowing in public.
So there's nothing going to beembarrassing about it.
John was just a man withincredible integrity, but he was
bold because he believed in hismission.
Okay, so I think those are someof the leadership principles
(30:14):
that he had, and unfortunately,his life was cut short, you know
, because he was bold in his, inhis pronouncement of of what he
thought was right and wrong,and it cost him his life, but it
didn't waver because of theconsequences.
And I think sometimes a weakleader, you see something coming
(30:38):
down the road that might causesome problems and you start
wavering, and John never wavered, and I just think that is a
really good lesson.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Did you say you had two parts to that?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
I was like, I have my own personal opinion on it, so
I wanted to say my own yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
so what is your thinking?
Speaker 3 (30:55):
So I think he had honesty and I think he also had
this sort of presence.
Like my dad said, he alsoprobably was truthful and he had
a lot of friends, I assume.
I agree with you and I assumehe didn't tell lies to get his
own way.
I assume he only told truth,even when it was going to get
(31:17):
somebody else in trouble.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Even when it was going to get him in trouble too.
He was willing to tell thetruth, and those are great
leadership principles.
Very good job, thank you.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Very good job.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Thank you, wow.
Well, we might as well.
So we come to the end ofchapter one, and so one of these
at the very end we see some ofJohn's disciples begin to follow
Jesus, and John was fine withthat because he knew the purpose
(31:51):
wasn't for people to follow him.
The purpose was for people tofollow Jesus, and so I've seen
this happen and it's not good.
I'm sure it happens in businesstoo.
But if you have a leader who isgoing to step aside because a
new person is coming up, thenthey need to step aside.
(32:13):
Because a new person is comingup, then they need to step aside
.
They don't need to be involvedin trying to go behind the new
leader's back or this or that.
They need to turn all of thatover to the new person.
And I know for us, one of ourrules was that once we left a
(32:35):
church, we weren't supposed togo back there for two years, and
that was a hard rule.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
A hard rule.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
A very hard rule, but the reason was is what you
wanted?
To give the new pastor anopportunity to become the leader
, and if you were always goingback and talking to people, then
you didn't give the new persona chance to step up to that
leadership role.
So it was hard.
We dealt with that our entirelives.
But I see the value in doingthat and so good leaders, I
think when it's time to leave,they leave Okay.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
All right.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Speaking of leaving, let's leave, john.
I'm telling you and let's justask you a question.
Okay, what do you call the fearof giants?
Speaker 3 (33:25):
The fear of giants, giophobia.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Feefiphobia.
I have a fear of spiders, afear of spiders.
I know there's a name for that.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Is that what it is?
It's not called spiderphobia.
No, okay, ready I am ready,what do you?
Got.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
When is music like vegetables?
When is music like vegetables?
Speaker 2 (33:51):
When is music like vegetables, yep.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Don't know when you dance to the beat.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Oh, okay, what is the ?
Speaker 3 (34:08):
medical diagnosis for someone who owns too many dogs.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Dog lover, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know
Rover dose.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
How do turtles talk to each other?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
How do they talk to each other?
I?
Speaker 3 (34:26):
don't know, by using shell phones.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
By using shell phones by using shell phones.
All right, what else you got?
What do you call?
Speaker 3 (34:38):
a belt made of watches.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
What'd you say?
A ticking time bomb?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
What do you call a belt made of watches?
Oh, hold on, I just saw thisthe other day.
A waste of time.
Yay, okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
One more out of Ochevia and we're getting out of
here Letting the people go 30seconds left.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Posey first.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Me first oh.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Oh Okay.
What does a baby computer callits father?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
A datager.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
That's very close.
That's good Data Nice.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
All right, what's the last one?
You got the last one there.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
What do you call a pod of musical whales?
Speaker 2 (35:30):
A pod of musical whales.
A pod of musical whales.
Ooh that's a good one.
I haven't heard that one before.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
I don't know what An orchestra An orchestra.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Well, thank you guys for joining us today.
Check us out atbiblicalleadershipshowcom.
Do you remember how to take usout?
Biblicalleadershipshowcom.
Do you remember how to take usout?
Alisa?
She's like dang it, I couldhave.
I can't remember.
I think I do.
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Have a great, make it a good day Pretty close, right,
make it a great day, make it agreat day.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
All right guys?
Thank you, appreciate you andwe will talk to you next week.
Thank you guys.
Bye.
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