March 6, 2025 • 35 mins
Join us as we explore the profound lessons of commitment and integrity found in the book of Daniel. Our engaging discussion delves into the historical context behind one of the Bible's most compelling figures, highlighting Daniel's remarkable faith and the incredible stories of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego in the fiery furnace and Daniel's own trials in the lion’s den.
Through these narratives, we uncover critical leadership lessons that resonate within our modern experiences. How do we stand firm to our values, even when faced with immense pressure? How do we ensure future generations of leadership are prepared and aligned with core principles? We discuss the importance of integrity in leadership and reflect on the real challenge of not confusing popular opinion with moral conviction.
This episode invites listeners to draw inspiration from these timeless stories and apply their impactful lessons in their own lives. If you are navigating challenges, whether personal or professional, the stories of Daniel offer guidance in staying true to your mission. Connect with us as we unpack these themes and encourage discourse around faith, leadership, and resilience. Don’t forget to subscribe, share your insights, and leave a review to help amplify our message of courage and commitment!
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Alrighty, yeah, uh-huh yeah, come on, come on,
alrighty.
Welcome to another exciting,exciting, exciting episode, dr P
.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Hey Tim, you gotta say it right.
You gotta say it right.
Welcome welcome welcome, I'mtelling you how are we doing
today, dr P?
I'm doing doing good, stilldown here in Waco and upstairs
in the studio at the church, andso, yeah, doing good, yeah, I
mean, it's been a little bit.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Since we're running behind on this, this is probably
going to come out a day late.
Yeah, it's the day before we'resupposed to upload.
So, uh, I'm gonna upload thisas soon as we're done, because
our schedules have just sort ofbeen a little bit off.
I've been traveling for thelast 15 days and on the road and
you're out of town and it's.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
It's just been a mess but I also had covid for the
third time that was then you hadcovid had COVID and oh my
goodness, that has never beenpleasant.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I don't even know how many times I've had COVID.
Oh yeah, Quite a few, so youknow.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
That knocked me down, yeah, but I'm back, I'm feeling
great.
So, yeah, it's good to see you,brother, even though we're 100
miles away.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I know the technology is awesome.
I was like it's good to see you, brother, even though we're 100
miles away.
I know the technology isawesome.
I was like many hundreds away,so we're within 100.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
We're getting close.
Yes, we are.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, yeah, how's everything down there?
Let's just catch up with youreal fast.
I mean, how's the church?
How's everything?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Church is going really good.
I've said before, just an honorto be here.
Those people who are joining usfor the very first time right
now I am in Waco, texas, atFirst Methodist Church.
I am the interim pastor untilthe end of April, so the pastor
(02:21):
that was here is now working forthe bishop starting January 1st
.
And this was the church that Iwent to while I was in college.
I was on staff here as acollege director when I was in
college and so it's just anhonor to be here.
Diana and I used to worship inthis church when we were at
Baylor church, when we were atBaylor, and so for them to call
(02:50):
me up and say, you know, couldyou fill in until our permanent
person comes on May 1st, I saidI could do that.
So it's been fun.
I mean, I get to know thepeople I get to preach, you know
, and it's just been an honorand a privilege to be down here.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, it's pretty exciting.
You only thought you were goingto retire, See.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I had that feeling, that wasn't going to work out
real well.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
So I tried to start a church for you.
Real fast.
You decided to go back thereand'll get the church of Tim
going soon.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, and you've been traveling.
You go to the National HomeBuilders Convention in Vegas.
Probably a big role in thatevery year.
Yeah, I have meetings.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I have all my national meetings.
This was a busy one.
I was out there.
I was in state in Austin priorand then went out to Vegas for
International Builder Show.
So I was out there for ninedays, busy, nonstop meetings.
I mean it's just great.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
So tell our listeners how many people go to this
meeting in Vegas.
I mean, it's massive.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, yeah, we're the third biggest show out there
behind SEMA and the CES show.
I mean, I think we had, with acouple of different things,
right around 140,000 people.
We take up all the holes.
I think we had a millionmillion, four million five on
square footage.
It's just massive.
(04:20):
I did 70 miles in nine days.
That's what my walk.
Wow, 70 miles in nine days,that's what my walk Wow, 70
miles.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
This home builders convention is it for not just
builders, but is it for peoplewho make new products for home
building.
And so you have a lot of thingswhere people can show their new
products and get the buildersto try to say, hey, this paint's
better, or this particularproduct's better for your
bathroom or your kitchen orwhatever, if it involves
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building a house or anything ina house or anything related
inside.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Outside it is at the show.
It's a massive show, so yeah,so a lot of people show it up.
You know vendors to builders,to remodelers, you name it,
everybody shows up.
And then there's a hugeeducation program that we do out
there as well, and you're apart of all that.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
And then there's a huge education program that we
do out there as well.
So, and you're, you're part ofall that.
And then the leadership.
So, wow, you've been doing thatfor a long time I have so and
uh yeah, so uh, it's, uh, it's agood, it's a good gig.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I like it out there.
You know I love uh, you know,being part and giving back to
our industry and and uh beingpart of uh the leadership and
putting it all together foreverybody.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Well, good, I'm glad you're back.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
And been a few weeks just traveling.
Just got to do work.
I know I got to buckle down fora couple weeks and make some
money.
Yeah, go back and make somemoney.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
That's what I had to come.
I ran out of money in Vegas.
I had to come back, all right.
So, I'm sure they love catchingup with us, but let's talk to
them about what we're going totalk about here.
We're going to do Daniel today,isn't that correct?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
We are on the book of Daniel.
I would think that even ifpeople are not familiar with the
Bible, I would think that theywould be at least heard of.
They might not be familiar with, but they would have at least
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heard of one of the two storiesin the book of Daniel.
One is the three men in thefiery furnace, where there was a
fourth one that showed up andthe men in the furnace did not
get burned.
Or they might have heard thestory about Daniel and the
lion's den, and so if they thinkman, this is just like I'm in a
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feel like I'm in a lion's den.
There's all kinds of modernreferences that come with that
particular true story and it'sright here from the book of
Daniel.
So it's a powerful book.
It's really splitting up to twoparts.
The first part of the book isreally a historical account of
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Daniel, and not just his friendsof Daniel, and not just his
friends but people who were inexile with him in Babylon.
And then the second part of thebook is some visions that
Daniel had and they relate toactually the last book of the
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Bible, the book of Revelation.
So it ties the Old Testamentand the New Testament together.
But let's just talk a littlebit about the history of Daniel
so that people can understandwhy these stories even took
place.
And then we can throw in someleadership, because the primary
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leadership characteristics comefrom Daniel himself and the
challenges he faced with theenvironment he was in, and the
fact that he stayed true to Godduring all those trials to me is
a great leadership principleabout staying true to the
mission, even though we facedsome serious trials in our
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business.
And so just a little historyfor those of you who are
interested.
And so the Assyrian Empire wasconquered by the Babylonians.
The Babylonians came toJerusalem, and in 605 BC, daniel
was a part of a group of peoplethat were exiled to Babylon in
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605 BC.
Now, sometimes, if we knowJewish history, we think that
didn't happen until 586 BC, whenthe Babylonians destroyed the
city of Jerusalem.
There was actually severalwaves of exiles going from
Israel to Babylon, and Danielwas a part of that.
He was a young man at the time.
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Him and three of his buddies weknow them as Shadrach, meshach
and Abednego were also a part ofthat group.
They were exiled to Babylon,and so they lived in a foreign
country.
I mean, they were exiledhundreds of miles away from
their home.
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They were taken away from theirhome, they were put into that.
Daniel had some incredibletalent that comes out in this
part of the book aboutinterpreting dreams and being
faithful to God, and he wasbeing accused of certain things
and he stood his ground.
And so the king put up this bigstatue and everybody's supposed
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to bow down to the statue, andthe friends said no, we're not
going to do that.
And anybody who didn't, theywere going to be thrown in the
fiery furnace.
And so Daniel's three buddieswere thrown in the fiery furnace
.
Obviously, the furnace was sohot that it even burned up the
people that threw them in, butGod protected them in that midst
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of that.
In fact, we read in theScripture that they looked in
the furnace and saw a fourthperson you know, dancing in
there, which we relate as Christ, there with them protecting
them.
And so they pulled out of thefurnace.
And then later Daniel wasaccused of you know which?
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He said I do, I worship the Godof the one true God and not I'm
not going to worship this kingof Babylon as a god.
And so he was thrown into thelion's den.
And so those are the two bigstories in the first part of the
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book of Daniel.
And we can see that for Daniel,no matter what was happening in
his life, he always prioritizedhis commitment to God.
It was always the top priorityin his life and he didn't ever
compromise his principles.
He stuck to a very strong moralconviction in his leadership
(11:03):
Right and I think what a greatlesson for just leadership
principles.
And the question is when weface difficult times, whatever
that could be in our life, inour business, do we stay true to
our values or do we allow ourcircumstances to dictate our
values or prioritize ourcommitments?
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And that to me is a sign of areally good that you stay
focused on the mission, thevision, your commitments don't
change in priority because ofyour circumstances.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
So yeah, and that's one of those things you know, if
you can stand strong with yourprinciples under pressure I mean
what extreme pressure he wasunder right, oh my goodness, and
you know.
And then from a leader how manytimes do leaders cave because
this is the status quo, this isthe way everybody else is doing
it.
So we get into that groupthinkmentality where we jump on board
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, sometimes as leaders, and ifyou can stand and be your own
person and hold true to yourcore values, I mean that's the
best way to do.
It is be a leader, right.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yes, and so I probably have said this more
than once on our podcast overthe last year and a half.
But I have a little sign in myoffice at the house that's right
above my desk, and the signsays this I got this from my
father-in-law.
He said never confuse the willof the majority with the will of
God.
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And so many times we see thatin the Scripture.
We see that when Jesus was infront of Pilate and the people
that he just caved into the willof the loudest person that was
yelling to the crowd even thoughhe felt like he didn't want to
do it, but he caved.
(12:54):
And so the question for leadersis are we caving in to the
pressure of the person that'sgriping the most?
You know the greasy wheel.
What does it say?
The squeaky wheel gets thegrease.
It could be one person in ourorganization.
That's really you know beingloud and we cave to them, and
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that's really not a great thingto do right, that's exactly
right?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
so it's you know, throughout this you know and
through through my show research, and so Daniel was sort of
interpreting a lot of the dreams.
Right, he was one of theinterpreters of the dreams, is
that correct?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Correct.
He could interpret dreams.
God gave him the ability tointerpret dreams, and so we see
that that's a significant partof the story in the book of
Daniel, even though that's kindof a, if you just look at Daniel
, you don't think of that part,but it is a significant part of
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the story.
And gave him favor to the king,right?
Yeah, yeah, I thought that wasvery good.
He was humble in the wholething.
I mean, he had this gift, itwas an amazing gift, but he just
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remained.
Yeah, I thought that was verygood and it's like.
No, he stayed humble.
And what a great lesson forleadership is that.
You know, sometimes we allowour position to go to our head
and we think that we're justbecause we are the boss, we're
better than other people, or weget the big head because of our
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position, and that just createsall kinds of problems over time.
It just does.
Absolutely.
That just creates all kinds ofproblems over time.
It just does.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Mm-hmm, Absolutely.
And you know how does hisfriends get into the furnace,
right?
You know, is there—theyjust—none of them would bow down
to the statue and worship theking.
And were there any other peoplethat defied it?
Because of God, or what's thebackground?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
We don't know that, but it sounds like that these
three were the main ones thatyou know.
There was a big statue and itwas massive.
Okay, this massive statue, andeverybody was supposed to bow
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down to this statue.
And so we see here in chapter 3of Daniel that anybody who did
not bow down to the statue wouldbe thrown into the fiery
furnace.
In fact, in other words, if youdon not bow down to the statue
would be thrown into the fieryfurnace.
In fact, in other words, if youdon't bow down to the statue of
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the king, you're going to die.
Okay, and so there was.
They would sound this horn or apipe or some musical instrument
.
And as soon as they heard that,that was the cue for everybody
to stop what they're doing andturn and bow down to the statue.
And so they, these three guys,shadrach, meshach and Abednego
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said we're not going to bow downto anybody, but the true God,
the true God.
And so he, these three guys,were brought before the king and
he said you know, you're notgoing to bow down to me, you're
going in the furnace.
And what's amazing about thisstory is one of the most, maybe
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the most important sentences inthe entire Bible about faith and
I'm just going to read itbecause it's in Daniel, chapter
3.
But it starts with verse 17.
So Shadrach, meshach andAbednego, they're getting ready
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to be thrown in the furnace andthey say this Our God, whom we
serve, is able to deliver usfrom the burning fiery furnace,
and he will deliver us out ofyour hand, o king.
And then verse 18 is sopowerful but if not, if not, if
God doesn't save us from thefiery furnace and we die, be it
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known, o King, that we will notserve your gods or worship you
or the image.
So he said you know, no matterwhat, no matter if it costs me
our life, we are not going tocompromise our principles.
We're just not going to do it.
And wow, that just takes faith,it takes guts.
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And I just think it's anexample to all of us as far as
what type of commitment, what'sthe level of our commitment?
You know, you see, on moviesyou hear things like well,
everybody has their price.
These guys didn't have a price.
You know, they couldn't bebought, they couldn't be
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manipulated, they couldn't becoerced.
They said you know what we'reserving God and even if it costs
us our life, we're not going tochange.
Wow, what a lesson for thatVery important part, one of the
most powerful statements offaith in the entire Bible, and
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what a great lesson for us.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I thought there was some very unique stuff in here.
You know from figuring out howto be faithful, I think some of
the visions of the statue withall the different parts of the
thing and then the brick comingdown and shattering the statue,
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and sort of the symbolism thatGod's reign will go over any
human's reign.
I think that's the way Iinterpreted that right.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, that God is eventually going to break that
or that kingdom's going to bedestroyed.
And you know, so many timeswhen we think and just think
about leadership for a second,you know we're in the leadership
position and we think thatwe're just going to stay on for
eternity.
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We don't have a succession planbecause we don't think
nothing's going to ever happento us.
We're irreplaceable.
And I think that's one of thegreatest weaknesses of so many
organizations is they don'tthink about what's going to
happen in five and 10 years fromnow.
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What's the succession plan?
And so something happens to theleader, whatever that might be,
and the whole company fallsapart because they have not
thought about what's going tohappen next.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
And so you know that's, many companies don't
have a succession plan.
I mean, that's one of thehottest topics that I get asked
can you do succession planning?
Well, yes, I said I can sitdown with you first, right, and
it should be in place.
You should have some kind ofidea.
But if you don't, then we got alot of work to do.
(20:23):
But yeah, 100%, People don'tput it down.
They don't take their leadersand get them ready for success.
They just throw them in thereand go all right, it's your turn
to lead the ship.
Hop up there.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah, they don't train them.
And the same thing with true.
Personally let's talk about howthis is personal I think
everybody should have a will.
I think everybody should have awill.
I think everybody should have awill.
Everybody should have a livingwill, power of attorney, all
those documents, because we justdon't know.
And the thing about it is inthe state of Texas, if you don't
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have a will, the state of Texashas one written already for you
and so you need to plan, foryou know you want to live as
long will.
It's like no, we've got to dothis for your spouse, for your
kids.
It's never too young.
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You're never too young to havea will.
You're never too old to have awill.
I've met too many people whohave passed away their families
and the person did not have awill and it just drags onto the
family.
I mean going through probateand dealing with attorneys and
and all this kind of stuff.
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It just creates so many burdenson the family and the people
that are left behind.
And the same thing is true withbusiness.
It's like okay, let's have,let's have a plan of action for
okay, I'm going to retire infive years.
Let's think what are we goingto do in the next five years to
get someone ready to take thisbusiness over, and you deal with
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that all the time in your work.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah, I don't know where you're getting five years,
I mean 25 years.
I got young kids right.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Exactly right?
Yeah, no, but you deal with itwith businesses all the time.
Absolutely, you know they havea great business, but they don't
have a plan, you know that'sone of the people I.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I got asked that you know, in one of the shows.
It goes what's your exit plan?
Right, I'm like, well, I don'thave an exit plan right now
because that isn't on my horizonto have an exit plan as far as
selling the company and all thatstuff.
I was in a meeting with aperson who was asking me I'm
like I have things set up forwhen I get to the point where I
want to do an exit plan, but I'mby far not there.
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But at the same time, I've gotstructures in place that is good
for passing this down torelatives and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, you just got to think about it.
You hope it never doesn'thappen, and if it does happen,
it happens a long time from now25, 50 years, 100 years with
medicines.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I'm going to go for another 100 years.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
You're going to go for another 100?
.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Figure out how to make that happen.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Okay, all right, so let's get back to the book of
Daniel.
So he had these.
The king had dreams, andbecause God gave him the ability
to interpret dreams, itactually elevated Daniel in the
eyes of the king and gave himinfluence with the king.
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And I can only imagine here heis a Jewish man in a foreign
land.
I'm just trying to think of thecourage it took to say I can do
that, and I'm not bragging, butI have the ability to do that.
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And so I'm just thinking aboutthe people in an organization,
even if it's a company of fouror five people, do you really
know the talents and the skillsof all your people, skills of
all your people?
Is there any added value to thepeople?
You've hired that becausethey've been working for you,
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but you don't know what they didbefore you.
You don't realize that theycould really do some graphic art
for you or some social mediafor you, and you haven't tapped
into that expertise, and if youdid, it could really help your
business grow.
So knowing the skill andexpertise of your people is
really, I think, a good role fora leader.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, 100%.
Most people don't ask, theyjust take them.
They go through the interviewprocess.
Everything's like patting themon the back, making them happy,
I'm your boss.
And then when they're broughton, then they throw them in a
desk with 12 other people andsaid there you go.
And then you don't see the bossfor another three weeks and
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you're happy to have a job.
So you don't care.
But I mean, you don't know howthese other people as a leader I
don't know who I set them downnext to the three people that
I'm sitting in the cubicle with.
They might really not like meas a boss.
So instantly I've took my newhire and tarnished everything
that that new hire has as far asloyalty to me and wanting to
work hard, and they've beentainted from the beginning.
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So it's very interesting and ifyou go through and have that
constant contact, when you firstmeet somebody and you hire them
, ask them what their skills are, ask them what they're good,
what they can do after a monthand go is there anywhere in my
organization?
You think you can help me?
And ask you know, because a lotof people know that they know
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deep down in the heart theycould help somebody there but
they're hired for X and theystay in their lane and they
don't venture out, because a lotof bosses don't like people to
venture out of their lane.
How many times have I said youknow, I've been out helping and
them streamline and doingsomething and they're like that
ain't what you're hired for.
I'm like, not a problem, I'llgo back to do what I'm hired for
.
I'll just zip my mouth.
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I think I could help you quitea bit, boss.
But you know that's fine, I'llstay in my lane.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, but you know that's fine, I'll stay in my
lane, yeah, and that really saysmore about the boss than it
does about the employee.
You know, I've always liked tohelp people just kind of unleash
their talent and give them theflexibility and the freedom to
be creative and work with otherpeople and have some synergy
going on with some creativeideas and maybe some new ideas
and implement things.
Sometimes they work fantastic,sometimes they don't, and I say
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you know what that didn't work.
But the whole point was we gaveyou an opportunity.
Let's see what else is going tohappen on the horizon.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
And that's one of the last leadership points I'll
bring up Excellence leads toinfluence and if you're
excellent and you've provedyourself well, you're going to
elevate yourself to a positionof great influence.
You know, and you do that withthat work ethic, your discipline
, your decision making, beingthe stellar person that you are.
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But I mean it takes timesometimes and some people excel
immediately, but you got to beable to harness.
If you go up to a position ofinfluence, make sure that you're
using your power wisely, right.
Just because you have the nametag on doesn't mean that you're
the boss of all.
I mean there's a lot of peoplethat are the boss of a company
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and or a team and they are notthe true boss on paper, but
they're the true boss if you goask them.
You know that's the.
You sort of go back to themilitary crisis.
You know planning, you knowthey're always going to go to
the strongest leader in thegroup and sometimes that isn't
that guy wearing the name tagthat's calling all the shots.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Yeah.
So I'll just say one of thelessons I learned, even as a
teenager, and that is you haveto earn the right to be heard,
and so that's through youractions, through your integrity,
through your performance.
Daniel certainly lived that outwith his integrity, with his
faithfulness, and then, when hewas interpreted in dreams for
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the king, he really earned theright to be heard.
So he just grew in hisinfluence of others, the people
around him.
And so what are some greatlessons from the book of Daniel?
Now, we've gone this entiretime and not one dad joke.
I don't know what the problemis, but oh my gosh, look at your
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book, you got some dad jokes.
Hey, I just wanted to ask you aquestion have you ever been to
the little town of engagement,ohio?
I have not been to engage, okay.
So if you ever look on a map,it's between Dayton and Marion.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Okay, okay, I don't think.
Let's see if I have the buttonsgoing.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I hope not.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I got the buttons going.
Well, they might be, but let mesee, hang on.
Nope, they don't have.
I don't have them going on thatside, okay.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
So let me ask you a question.
You know Apple, the companyApple.
They own a lot of differentthings, they have a lot of
different products, but I don'tknow if they ever owned a dance
stadium or dance studio.
You know, if Apple a companyApple owned a dance studio, I
wonder what it would be called.
My suggestion would be calledMacarena.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Ba-dum-bum-tsh, ba-dum-bum-tsh, ba-dum-tsh.
I need to get some.
That's it.
As soon as we get off this show, I'm going to order me some new
dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
You're going to order some dad jokes.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I've got some dad joke books around here, but
we've used a lot of them.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Here's one.
What type of luggage dovultures carry on with them in
the airplane?
Speaker 1 (30:17):
What kind of luggage do vultures bring with them on
an airplane.
I don't know.
What do they do?
What do they bring Carry on?
I had one.
I actually said— I had one, youhad one well, I want to hear it
what?
Oh my gosh, what was that one?
I get them and I save them andI take screenshots of them, but
(30:41):
you know, then I travel for 20days and they're and then you
forget yeah, and travel for 20days and they're and then, and
then you forget, uh and uh, yeah.
So let's see.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
It was.
You know, I I uh someone here,uh at the church.
Uh was talking about one of theemployees with a bad posture.
I have a hunch.
It was me.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
That's pretty good.
You think so.
Huh, I'm almost there.
I'm pulling some up.
You are, you're pulling them up.
I thought about some that itfits into our week.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Oh, it does.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Let's see if we can find out some good ones, because
we've got time change coming upright.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
We do this weekend is time change.
I mean, it's spring forwardright Daylight.
Samuels time spring forward.
Oh, last night I had this dreamthat I was really the author of
the Lord of the Rings series.
I guess I've been talking in mysleep.
(31:53):
How much does an influencerweigh?
How much does an influencerweigh?
Speaker 1 (32:07):
How much does an influencer weigh?
How much does an influencerweigh?
I'm thinking on this one hard.
I'm thinking, okay, I gotnothing.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
How about?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
an Instagram.
That's pretty good.
I have no dad jokes today.
I'll work on it.
Oh my gosh, you're dry.
I just I'm looking at them.
I pulled up some on time change.
I'm like I'll find some fortime change.
Yeah, it's no, they're allhorrible.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Here is a good joke.
You should have probably heardthis in Vegas while you were out
there in Vegas for the BuilderShow.
Okay, so we like to play cardsin our house.
We like to play canasta garbagecanasta.
Diana's grandma parents taughtme how to play canasta.
I just really like that.
(33:03):
But our cards, our decks ofcards we've had them so long
that they're worn out.
So I went online and I boughtsome decks of cards, but it's
been two weeks since I'veordered and they haven't shown
up, and so I contacted theseller and they said they were
dealing with it.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
All right.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Okay, let's stop right there.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Why did the police officer go to the baseball game?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Because someone stole the bases.
There you go, you can call ahappy cowboy.
Hip along something, what Idon't know.
Jolly rancher, a jollyrancherer, oh, that's a good one
.
I wish I had a button.
That's all I had.
(33:55):
I just that's what you had.
Let's just stop there I'llprepare yes, before next week.
That sounds good.
Well, it's good to see you.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Always a pleasure to see you hang out with you, talk
a little bit about that biblicalleadership stuff that we talk
about Next week.
What do we got next week?
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Next week we're going to do Ezra and Nehemiah Now in
the Bible.
They're two different books,but originally they were one
book, so we're going to do bothof them because they were
contemporaries.
They were in Jerusalem at thesame time, with a little
background.
They lived way after Daniel, sothey were not contemporaries
(34:37):
with Daniel, they were likelater, but they were both very
significant in the Jewish peoplecoming back to Jerusalem.
After the people were there fora long time, they came back.
They had a different role.
(34:58):
Each of them had a differentrole in helping Jerusalem and
the people, and so we'll talkabout that and the valuable
lessons we get from those twobooks.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Awesome, awesome.
Well, as always, check us outbiblicalleadershipshowcom.
Send us some text over there,send us some emails, say hello
to us.
Let you know that I think we'reup to seven listeners now.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Oh my gosh, we're just exploding.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
All right, we have a few, and you know, especially
those ones across the pond.
Say hello to us and let us knowwhat the weather is over there
in Jolly Hole.
So other than that, dr P, takeus out and we'll talk to you
next week.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
All right, make it a great day.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Thank you guys, bye, bye.
Alrighty, yeah, uh-huh yeah, come on, come on,
alrighty.
Welcome to another exciting,exciting, exciting episode, dr P
.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Hey Tim, you gotta say it right.
You gotta say it right.
Welcome welcome welcome, I'mtelling you how are we doing
today, dr P?
I'm doing doing good, stilldown here in Waco and upstairs
in the studio at the church, andso, yeah, doing good, yeah, I
mean, it's been a little bit.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Since we're running behind on this, this is probably
going to come out a day late.
Yeah, it's the day before we'resupposed to upload.
So, uh, I'm gonna upload thisas soon as we're done, because
our schedules have just sort ofbeen a little bit off.
I've been traveling for thelast 15 days and on the road and
you're out of town and it's.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
It's just been a mess but I also had covid for the
third time that was then you hadcovid had COVID and oh my
goodness, that has never beenpleasant.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I don't even know how many times I've had COVID.
Oh yeah, Quite a few, so youknow.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
That knocked me down, yeah, but I'm back, I'm feeling
great.
So, yeah, it's good to see you,brother, even though we're 100
miles away.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I know the technology is awesome.
I was like it's good to see you, brother, even though we're 100
miles away.
I know the technology isawesome.
I was like many hundreds away,so we're within 100.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
We're getting close.
Yes, we are.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, yeah, how's everything down there?
Let's just catch up with youreal fast.
I mean, how's the church?
How's everything?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Church is going really good.
I've said before, just an honorto be here.
Those people who are joining usfor the very first time right
now I am in Waco, texas, atFirst Methodist Church.
I am the interim pastor untilthe end of April, so the pastor
(02:21):
that was here is now working forthe bishop starting January 1st
.
And this was the church that Iwent to while I was in college.
I was on staff here as acollege director when I was in
college and so it's just anhonor to be here.
Diana and I used to worship inthis church when we were at
Baylor church, when we were atBaylor, and so for them to call
(02:50):
me up and say, you know, couldyou fill in until our permanent
person comes on May 1st, I saidI could do that.
So it's been fun.
I mean, I get to know thepeople I get to preach, you know
, and it's just been an honorand a privilege to be down here.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, it's pretty exciting.
You only thought you were goingto retire, See.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I had that feeling, that wasn't going to work out
real well.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
So I tried to start a church for you.
Real fast.
You decided to go back thereand'll get the church of Tim
going soon.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, and you've been traveling.
You go to the National HomeBuilders Convention in Vegas.
Probably a big role in thatevery year.
Yeah, I have meetings.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I have all my national meetings.
This was a busy one.
I was out there.
I was in state in Austin priorand then went out to Vegas for
International Builder Show.
So I was out there for ninedays, busy, nonstop meetings.
I mean it's just great.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
So tell our listeners how many people go to this
meeting in Vegas.
I mean, it's massive.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, yeah, we're the third biggest show out there
behind SEMA and the CES show.
I mean, I think we had, with acouple of different things,
right around 140,000 people.
We take up all the holes.
I think we had a millionmillion, four million five on
square footage.
It's just massive.
(04:20):
I did 70 miles in nine days.
That's what my walk.
Wow, 70 miles in nine days,that's what my walk Wow, 70
miles.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
This home builders convention is it for not just
builders, but is it for peoplewho make new products for home
building.
And so you have a lot of thingswhere people can show their new
products and get the buildersto try to say, hey, this paint's
better, or this particularproduct's better for your
bathroom or your kitchen orwhatever, if it involves
(04:47):
building a house or anything ina house or anything related
inside.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Outside it is at the show.
It's a massive show, so yeah,so a lot of people show it up.
You know vendors to builders,to remodelers, you name it,
everybody shows up.
And then there's a hugeeducation program that we do out
there as well, and you're apart of all that.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
And then there's a huge education program that we
do out there as well.
So, and you're, you're part ofall that.
And then the leadership.
So, wow, you've been doing thatfor a long time I have so and
uh yeah, so uh, it's, uh, it's agood, it's a good gig.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I like it out there.
You know I love uh, you know,being part and giving back to
our industry and and uh beingpart of uh the leadership and
putting it all together foreverybody.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Well, good, I'm glad you're back.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
And been a few weeks just traveling.
Just got to do work.
I know I got to buckle down fora couple weeks and make some
money.
Yeah, go back and make somemoney.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
That's what I had to come.
I ran out of money in Vegas.
I had to come back, all right.
So, I'm sure they love catchingup with us, but let's talk to
them about what we're going totalk about here.
We're going to do Daniel today,isn't that correct?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
We are on the book of Daniel.
I would think that even ifpeople are not familiar with the
Bible, I would think that theywould be at least heard of.
They might not be familiar with, but they would have at least
(06:16):
heard of one of the two storiesin the book of Daniel.
One is the three men in thefiery furnace, where there was a
fourth one that showed up andthe men in the furnace did not
get burned.
Or they might have heard thestory about Daniel and the
lion's den, and so if they thinkman, this is just like I'm in a
(06:38):
feel like I'm in a lion's den.
There's all kinds of modernreferences that come with that
particular true story and it'sright here from the book of
Daniel.
So it's a powerful book.
It's really splitting up to twoparts.
The first part of the book isreally a historical account of
(07:00):
Daniel, and not just his friendsof Daniel, and not just his
friends but people who were inexile with him in Babylon.
And then the second part of thebook is some visions that
Daniel had and they relate toactually the last book of the
(07:21):
Bible, the book of Revelation.
So it ties the Old Testamentand the New Testament together.
But let's just talk a littlebit about the history of Daniel
so that people can understandwhy these stories even took
place.
And then we can throw in someleadership, because the primary
(07:41):
leadership characteristics comefrom Daniel himself and the
challenges he faced with theenvironment he was in, and the
fact that he stayed true to Godduring all those trials to me is
a great leadership principleabout staying true to the
mission, even though we facedsome serious trials in our
(08:03):
business.
And so just a little historyfor those of you who are
interested.
And so the Assyrian Empire wasconquered by the Babylonians.
The Babylonians came toJerusalem, and in 605 BC, daniel
was a part of a group of peoplethat were exiled to Babylon in
(08:29):
605 BC.
Now, sometimes, if we knowJewish history, we think that
didn't happen until 586 BC, whenthe Babylonians destroyed the
city of Jerusalem.
There was actually severalwaves of exiles going from
Israel to Babylon, and Danielwas a part of that.
He was a young man at the time.
(08:49):
Him and three of his buddies weknow them as Shadrach, meshach
and Abednego were also a part ofthat group.
They were exiled to Babylon,and so they lived in a foreign
country.
I mean, they were exiledhundreds of miles away from
their home.
(09:10):
They were taken away from theirhome, they were put into that.
Daniel had some incredibletalent that comes out in this
part of the book aboutinterpreting dreams and being
faithful to God, and he wasbeing accused of certain things
and he stood his ground.
And so the king put up this bigstatue and everybody's supposed
(09:34):
to bow down to the statue, andthe friends said no, we're not
going to do that.
And anybody who didn't, theywere going to be thrown in the
fiery furnace.
And so Daniel's three buddieswere thrown in the fiery furnace
.
Obviously, the furnace was sohot that it even burned up the
people that threw them in, butGod protected them in that midst
(09:56):
of that.
In fact, we read in theScripture that they looked in
the furnace and saw a fourthperson you know, dancing in
there, which we relate as Christ, there with them protecting
them.
And so they pulled out of thefurnace.
And then later Daniel wasaccused of you know which?
(10:16):
He said I do, I worship the Godof the one true God and not I'm
not going to worship this kingof Babylon as a god.
And so he was thrown into thelion's den.
And so those are the two bigstories in the first part of the
(10:40):
book of Daniel.
And we can see that for Daniel,no matter what was happening in
his life, he always prioritizedhis commitment to God.
It was always the top priorityin his life and he didn't ever
compromise his principles.
He stuck to a very strong moralconviction in his leadership
(11:03):
Right and I think what a greatlesson for just leadership
principles.
And the question is when weface difficult times, whatever
that could be in our life, inour business, do we stay true to
our values or do we allow ourcircumstances to dictate our
values or prioritize ourcommitments?
(11:24):
And that to me is a sign of areally good that you stay
focused on the mission, thevision, your commitments don't
change in priority because ofyour circumstances.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
So yeah, and that's one of those things you know, if
you can stand strong with yourprinciples under pressure I mean
what extreme pressure he wasunder right, oh my goodness, and
you know.
And then from a leader how manytimes do leaders cave because
this is the status quo, this isthe way everybody else is doing
it.
So we get into that groupthinkmentality where we jump on board
(12:01):
, sometimes as leaders, and ifyou can stand and be your own
person and hold true to yourcore values, I mean that's the
best way to do.
It is be a leader, right.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yes, and so I probably have said this more
than once on our podcast overthe last year and a half.
But I have a little sign in myoffice at the house that's right
above my desk, and the signsays this I got this from my
father-in-law.
He said never confuse the willof the majority with the will of
God.
(12:33):
And so many times we see thatin the Scripture.
We see that when Jesus was infront of Pilate and the people
that he just caved into the willof the loudest person that was
yelling to the crowd even thoughhe felt like he didn't want to
do it, but he caved.
(12:54):
And so the question for leadersis are we caving in to the
pressure of the person that'sgriping the most?
You know the greasy wheel.
What does it say?
The squeaky wheel gets thegrease.
It could be one person in ourorganization.
That's really you know beingloud and we cave to them, and
(13:15):
that's really not a great thingto do right, that's exactly
right?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
so it's you know, throughout this you know and
through through my show research, and so Daniel was sort of
interpreting a lot of the dreams.
Right, he was one of theinterpreters of the dreams, is
that correct?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Correct.
He could interpret dreams.
God gave him the ability tointerpret dreams, and so we see
that that's a significant partof the story in the book of
Daniel, even though that's kindof a, if you just look at Daniel
, you don't think of that part,but it is a significant part of
(13:58):
the story.
And gave him favor to the king,right?
Yeah, yeah, I thought that wasvery good.
He was humble in the wholething.
I mean, he had this gift, itwas an amazing gift, but he just
(14:20):
remained.
Yeah, I thought that was verygood and it's like.
No, he stayed humble.
And what a great lesson forleadership is that.
You know, sometimes we allowour position to go to our head
and we think that we're justbecause we are the boss, we're
better than other people, or weget the big head because of our
(14:41):
position, and that just createsall kinds of problems over time.
It just does.
Absolutely.
That just creates all kinds ofproblems over time.
It just does.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Mm-hmm, Absolutely.
And you know how does hisfriends get into the furnace,
right?
You know, is there—theyjust—none of them would bow down
to the statue and worship theking.
And were there any other peoplethat defied it?
Because of God, or what's thebackground?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
We don't know that, but it sounds like that these
three were the main ones thatyou know.
There was a big statue and itwas massive.
Okay, this massive statue, andeverybody was supposed to bow
(15:34):
down to this statue.
And so we see here in chapter 3of Daniel that anybody who did
not bow down to the statue wouldbe thrown into the fiery
furnace.
In fact, in other words, if youdon not bow down to the statue
would be thrown into the fieryfurnace.
In fact, in other words, if youdon't bow down to the statue of
(15:54):
the king, you're going to die.
Okay, and so there was.
They would sound this horn or apipe or some musical instrument
.
And as soon as they heard that,that was the cue for everybody
to stop what they're doing andturn and bow down to the statue.
And so they, these three guys,shadrach, meshach and Abednego
(16:21):
said we're not going to bow downto anybody, but the true God,
the true God.
And so he, these three guys,were brought before the king and
he said you know, you're notgoing to bow down to me, you're
going in the furnace.
And what's amazing about thisstory is one of the most, maybe
(16:45):
the most important sentences inthe entire Bible about faith and
I'm just going to read itbecause it's in Daniel, chapter
3.
But it starts with verse 17.
So Shadrach, meshach andAbednego, they're getting ready
(17:06):
to be thrown in the furnace andthey say this Our God, whom we
serve, is able to deliver usfrom the burning fiery furnace,
and he will deliver us out ofyour hand, o king.
And then verse 18 is sopowerful but if not, if not, if
God doesn't save us from thefiery furnace and we die, be it
(17:28):
known, o King, that we will notserve your gods or worship you
or the image.
So he said you know, no matterwhat, no matter if it costs me
our life, we are not going tocompromise our principles.
We're just not going to do it.
And wow, that just takes faith,it takes guts.
(17:51):
And I just think it's anexample to all of us as far as
what type of commitment, what'sthe level of our commitment?
You know, you see, on moviesyou hear things like well,
everybody has their price.
These guys didn't have a price.
You know, they couldn't bebought, they couldn't be
(18:12):
manipulated, they couldn't becoerced.
They said you know what we'reserving God and even if it costs
us our life, we're not going tochange.
Wow, what a lesson for thatVery important part, one of the
most powerful statements offaith in the entire Bible, and
(18:34):
what a great lesson for us.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I thought there was some very unique stuff in here.
You know from figuring out howto be faithful, I think some of
the visions of the statue withall the different parts of the
thing and then the brick comingdown and shattering the statue,
(18:59):
and sort of the symbolism thatGod's reign will go over any
human's reign.
I think that's the way Iinterpreted that right.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, that God is eventually going to break that
or that kingdom's going to bedestroyed.
And you know, so many timeswhen we think and just think
about leadership for a second,you know we're in the leadership
position and we think thatwe're just going to stay on for
eternity.
(19:27):
We don't have a succession planbecause we don't think
nothing's going to ever happento us.
We're irreplaceable.
And I think that's one of thegreatest weaknesses of so many
organizations is they don'tthink about what's going to
happen in five and 10 years fromnow.
(19:47):
What's the succession plan?
And so something happens to theleader, whatever that might be,
and the whole company fallsapart because they have not
thought about what's going tohappen next.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
And so you know that's, many companies don't
have a succession plan.
I mean, that's one of thehottest topics that I get asked
can you do succession planning?
Well, yes, I said I can sitdown with you first, right, and
it should be in place.
You should have some kind ofidea.
But if you don't, then we got alot of work to do.
(20:23):
But yeah, 100%, People don'tput it down.
They don't take their leadersand get them ready for success.
They just throw them in thereand go all right, it's your turn
to lead the ship.
Hop up there.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah, they don't train them.
And the same thing with true.
Personally let's talk about howthis is personal I think
everybody should have a will.
I think everybody should have awill.
I think everybody should have awill.
Everybody should have a livingwill, power of attorney, all
those documents, because we justdon't know.
And the thing about it is inthe state of Texas, if you don't
(21:00):
have a will, the state of Texashas one written already for you
and so you need to plan, foryou know you want to live as
long will.
It's like no, we've got to dothis for your spouse, for your
kids.
It's never too young.
(21:33):
You're never too young to havea will.
You're never too old to have awill.
I've met too many people whohave passed away their families
and the person did not have awill and it just drags onto the
family.
I mean going through probateand dealing with attorneys and
and all this kind of stuff.
(21:53):
It just creates so many burdenson the family and the people
that are left behind.
And the same thing is true withbusiness.
It's like okay, let's have,let's have a plan of action for
okay, I'm going to retire infive years.
Let's think what are we goingto do in the next five years to
get someone ready to take thisbusiness over, and you deal with
(22:16):
that all the time in your work.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah, I don't know where you're getting five years,
I mean 25 years.
I got young kids right.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Exactly right?
Yeah, no, but you deal with itwith businesses all the time.
Absolutely, you know they havea great business, but they don't
have a plan, you know that'sone of the people I.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I got asked that you know, in one of the shows.
It goes what's your exit plan?
Right, I'm like, well, I don'thave an exit plan right now
because that isn't on my horizonto have an exit plan as far as
selling the company and all thatstuff.
I was in a meeting with aperson who was asking me I'm
like I have things set up forwhen I get to the point where I
want to do an exit plan, but I'mby far not there.
(23:00):
But at the same time, I've gotstructures in place that is good
for passing this down torelatives and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, you just got to think about it.
You hope it never doesn'thappen, and if it does happen,
it happens a long time from now25, 50 years, 100 years with
medicines.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I'm going to go for another 100 years.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
You're going to go for another 100?
.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Figure out how to make that happen.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Okay, all right, so let's get back to the book of
Daniel.
So he had these.
The king had dreams, andbecause God gave him the ability
to interpret dreams, itactually elevated Daniel in the
eyes of the king and gave himinfluence with the king.
(23:49):
And I can only imagine here heis a Jewish man in a foreign
land.
I'm just trying to think of thecourage it took to say I can do
that, and I'm not bragging, butI have the ability to do that.
(24:09):
And so I'm just thinking aboutthe people in an organization,
even if it's a company of fouror five people, do you really
know the talents and the skillsof all your people, skills of
all your people?
Is there any added value to thepeople?
You've hired that becausethey've been working for you,
(24:30):
but you don't know what they didbefore you.
You don't realize that theycould really do some graphic art
for you or some social mediafor you, and you haven't tapped
into that expertise, and if youdid, it could really help your
business grow.
So knowing the skill andexpertise of your people is
really, I think, a good role fora leader.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, 100%.
Most people don't ask, theyjust take them.
They go through the interviewprocess.
Everything's like patting themon the back, making them happy,
I'm your boss.
And then when they're broughton, then they throw them in a
desk with 12 other people andsaid there you go.
And then you don't see the bossfor another three weeks and
(25:13):
you're happy to have a job.
So you don't care.
But I mean, you don't know howthese other people as a leader I
don't know who I set them downnext to the three people that
I'm sitting in the cubicle with.
They might really not like meas a boss.
So instantly I've took my newhire and tarnished everything
that that new hire has as far asloyalty to me and wanting to
work hard, and they've beentainted from the beginning.
(25:36):
So it's very interesting and ifyou go through and have that
constant contact, when you firstmeet somebody and you hire them
, ask them what their skills are, ask them what they're good,
what they can do after a monthand go is there anywhere in my
organization?
You think you can help me?
And ask you know, because a lotof people know that they know
(25:57):
deep down in the heart theycould help somebody there but
they're hired for X and theystay in their lane and they
don't venture out, because a lotof bosses don't like people to
venture out of their lane.
How many times have I said youknow, I've been out helping and
them streamline and doingsomething and they're like that
ain't what you're hired for.
I'm like, not a problem, I'llgo back to do what I'm hired for
.
I'll just zip my mouth.
(26:19):
I think I could help you quitea bit, boss.
But you know that's fine, I'llstay in my lane.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, but you know that's fine, I'll stay in my
lane, yeah, and that really saysmore about the boss than it
does about the employee.
You know, I've always liked tohelp people just kind of unleash
their talent and give them theflexibility and the freedom to
be creative and work with otherpeople and have some synergy
going on with some creativeideas and maybe some new ideas
and implement things.
Sometimes they work fantastic,sometimes they don't, and I say
(26:49):
you know what that didn't work.
But the whole point was we gaveyou an opportunity.
Let's see what else is going tohappen on the horizon.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
And that's one of the last leadership points I'll
bring up Excellence leads toinfluence and if you're
excellent and you've provedyourself well, you're going to
elevate yourself to a positionof great influence.
You know, and you do that withthat work ethic, your discipline
, your decision making, beingthe stellar person that you are.
(27:19):
But I mean it takes timesometimes and some people excel
immediately, but you got to beable to harness.
If you go up to a position ofinfluence, make sure that you're
using your power wisely, right.
Just because you have the nametag on doesn't mean that you're
the boss of all.
I mean there's a lot of peoplethat are the boss of a company
(27:40):
and or a team and they are notthe true boss on paper, but
they're the true boss if you goask them.
You know that's the.
You sort of go back to themilitary crisis.
You know planning, you knowthey're always going to go to
the strongest leader in thegroup and sometimes that isn't
that guy wearing the name tagthat's calling all the shots.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Yeah.
So I'll just say one of thelessons I learned, even as a
teenager, and that is you haveto earn the right to be heard,
and so that's through youractions, through your integrity,
through your performance.
Daniel certainly lived that outwith his integrity, with his
faithfulness, and then, when hewas interpreted in dreams for
(28:21):
the king, he really earned theright to be heard.
So he just grew in hisinfluence of others, the people
around him.
And so what are some greatlessons from the book of Daniel?
Now, we've gone this entiretime and not one dad joke.
I don't know what the problemis, but oh my gosh, look at your
(28:42):
book, you got some dad jokes.
Hey, I just wanted to ask you aquestion have you ever been to
the little town of engagement,ohio?
I have not been to engage, okay.
So if you ever look on a map,it's between Dayton and Marion.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Okay, okay, I don't think.
Let's see if I have the buttonsgoing.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I hope not.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I got the buttons going.
Well, they might be, but let mesee, hang on.
Nope, they don't have.
I don't have them going on thatside, okay.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
So let me ask you a question.
You know Apple, the companyApple.
They own a lot of differentthings, they have a lot of
different products, but I don'tknow if they ever owned a dance
stadium or dance studio.
You know, if Apple a companyApple owned a dance studio, I
wonder what it would be called.
My suggestion would be calledMacarena.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Ba-dum-bum-tsh, ba-dum-bum-tsh, ba-dum-tsh.
I need to get some.
That's it.
As soon as we get off this show, I'm going to order me some new
dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
You're going to order some dad jokes.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I've got some dad joke books around here, but
we've used a lot of them.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Here's one.
What type of luggage dovultures carry on with them in
the airplane?
Speaker 1 (30:17):
What kind of luggage do vultures bring with them on
an airplane.
I don't know.
What do they do?
What do they bring Carry on?
I had one.
I actually said— I had one, youhad one well, I want to hear it
what?
Oh my gosh, what was that one?
I get them and I save them andI take screenshots of them, but
(30:41):
you know, then I travel for 20days and they're and then you
forget yeah, and travel for 20days and they're and then, and
then you forget, uh and uh, yeah.
So let's see.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
It was.
You know, I I uh someone here,uh at the church.
Uh was talking about one of theemployees with a bad posture.
I have a hunch.
It was me.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
That's pretty good.
You think so.
Huh, I'm almost there.
I'm pulling some up.
You are, you're pulling them up.
I thought about some that itfits into our week.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Oh, it does.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Let's see if we can find out some good ones, because
we've got time change coming upright.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
We do this weekend is time change.
I mean, it's spring forwardright Daylight.
Samuels time spring forward.
Oh, last night I had this dreamthat I was really the author of
the Lord of the Rings series.
I guess I've been talking in mysleep.
(31:53):
How much does an influencerweigh?
How much does an influencerweigh?
Speaker 1 (32:07):
How much does an influencer weigh?
How much does an influencerweigh?
I'm thinking on this one hard.
I'm thinking, okay, I gotnothing.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
How about?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
an Instagram.
That's pretty good.
I have no dad jokes today.
I'll work on it.
Oh my gosh, you're dry.
I just I'm looking at them.
I pulled up some on time change.
I'm like I'll find some fortime change.
Yeah, it's no, they're allhorrible.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Here is a good joke.
You should have probably heardthis in Vegas while you were out
there in Vegas for the BuilderShow.
Okay, so we like to play cardsin our house.
We like to play canasta garbagecanasta.
Diana's grandma parents taughtme how to play canasta.
I just really like that.
(33:03):
But our cards, our decks ofcards we've had them so long
that they're worn out.
So I went online and I boughtsome decks of cards, but it's
been two weeks since I'veordered and they haven't shown
up, and so I contacted theseller and they said they were
dealing with it.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
All right.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Okay, let's stop right there.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Why did the police officer go to the baseball game?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Because someone stole the bases.
There you go, you can call ahappy cowboy.
Hip along something, what Idon't know.
Jolly rancher, a jollyrancherer, oh, that's a good one
.
I wish I had a button.
That's all I had.
(33:55):
I just that's what you had.
Let's just stop there I'llprepare yes, before next week.
That sounds good.
Well, it's good to see you.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Always a pleasure to see you hang out with you, talk
a little bit about that biblicalleadership stuff that we talk
about Next week.
What do we got next week?
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Next week we're going to do Ezra and Nehemiah Now in
the Bible.
They're two different books,but originally they were one
book, so we're going to do bothof them because they were
contemporaries.
They were in Jerusalem at thesame time, with a little
background.
They lived way after Daniel, sothey were not contemporaries
(34:37):
with Daniel, they were likelater, but they were both very
significant in the Jewish peoplecoming back to Jerusalem.
After the people were there fora long time, they came back.
They had a different role.
(34:58):
Each of them had a differentrole in helping Jerusalem and
the people, and so we'll talkabout that and the valuable
lessons we get from those twobooks.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Awesome, awesome.
Well, as always, check us outbiblicalleadershipshowcom.
Send us some text over there,send us some emails, say hello
to us.
Let you know that I think we'reup to seven listeners now.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Oh my gosh, we're just exploding.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
All right, we have a few, and you know, especially
those ones across the pond.
Say hello to us and let us knowwhat the weather is over there
in Jolly Hole.
So other than that, dr P, takeus out and we'll talk to you
next week.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
All right, make it a great day.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Thank you guys, bye, bye.
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