November 26, 2024 • 26 mins
With Thanksgiving just around the corner, my daughter Elisa, Dr. Posey and I invite you to join us on a special holiday-themed episode of the Biblical Leadership Show. We share our excitement for the season by talking about our favorite holiday foods and even Dr. Posey's quirky Italian Thanksgiving menu with spaghetti and pumpkin pie. As we transition from dinner tables to scripture, we explore the historical and spiritual richness of the Psalms, offering newcomers a simple yet meaningful daily reading habit that involves a chapter from Matthew, a Psalm, and a Proverb. Whether it's your first encounter with the Bible or you're a seasoned reader, these insights promise to enrich your spiritual journey.
We then focus on leadership through the wisdom of Psalm 23, where we emphasize how effective leaders, like King David, are also great followers. Explore how listening, adaptability, and providing resources even in challenging environments can empower a team and enhance productivity. We share real-world stories of leaders who genuinely engage with their teams, the importance of work-life balance, and even a light-hearted tale of how rearranging office spaces at church lifted spirits and improved productivity. To top it all off, we sprinkle in some Thanksgiving humor with festive jokes about ducks and turkeys, aiming to leave you with a smile and new insights to foster a positive and effective work environment.
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Speaker 1 (00:22):
all right, welcome.
Yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on,come on.
All right, welcome, welcome.
Hey, hey, you gotta say itWelcome, welcome, welcome.
Go ahead say it.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Welcome, welcome, welcome.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
welcome, welcome To another episode of the Biblical
Leadership Show.
We've got a special guest inthe house with us today.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
We have what's your name?
You know my name.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Dad, oh, that's my daughter, elise.
You're looking so grown up Ididn't even know I'm literally
wearing a black t-shirt withstars on it.
You are wearing a black t-shirtwith stars.
So anyway, holiday week.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Holiday week.
Oh my gosh, Turkey Day is justlike two days away, I know.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
In less than a week Wow.
I know it is.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
All right.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
You can already smell the turkey and the dressing.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
You know we've got some good ones and you know what
are we talking about today.
We're going to do this fast.
Today we're sort of we're readyto go eat some turkey and
dressing.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
right, we're ready.
I can already smell the pumpkinpie.
We were talking about thestudio, so what's your favorite
Thanksgiving food?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Oh, thanksgiving food , I don't know.
I sort of like the brown gravyand the dressing and all that,
but I mean it's a combination.
You have to have the dressing,the turkey, the mashed potatoes.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I mean everything's got to sort of go together.
It's got to come together,right?
Yeah, yeah.
So like a collage on your plate, right?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
So yeah, so I'm pretty excited about
Thanksgiving.
This is always a joyous time,you know, spending with family
and everything you got.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Big plans, family coming in, we've got family
coming in, you know, and so it'sgoing to be good.
We'll just be us at our houseand we're not doing turkey this
year, even though one of myfavorite meals this is crazy is
cold sweet potatoes.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Cold sweet potatoes.
We'll talk about that later.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
They're really good.
This year we're going to dosomething a little different.
We're going to go like anItalian Thanksgiving.
We're going to do spaghetti andpumpkin pie.
Awesome, you know, I don't know, maybe spaghetti and pumpkin
pie I like it.
We've done spaghetti forChristmas before so maybe we'll
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have pumpkin pie, then spaghetti, then pumpkin pie.
Yeah, maybe that's it.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, my wife had a traditional Italian feast one
year and we had the wholespaghetti and meatballs and all
that stuff for there and we'vebeen talking about it.
So maybe we'll fire it up forthis Christmas as well.
So yeah, never know, never know, never know.
She's going.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
no, we're having turkey and dressing and pumpkin
pie and all that stuff, andgreen stuff, and green stuff.
For sure you better not haveany spaghetti.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Maybe not All right.
So we're talking about Psalmstoday, right?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yes, we're talking about Psalms and it's got 150
Psalms in the book 150.
We could talk about the book ofPsalms and the leadership
lessons that we get from thosepassages, for weeks.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Now let's talk about what psalms are.
Are they, you know, because wesing songs, right, you know?
But I mean they're really justWell, they're hymns, they're
poems.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Many of the psalms were sung by the Jewish people
for their special days.
Maybe, as they were travelingfrom their home to Jerusalem,
they would be singing thesesongs.
And so, for our benefit, many,many hundreds of years ago, they
were written down and recordedand there's a specific pattern
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of those Psalms, even thoughthere's 150 of them, and it's
good to just read them.
And if somebody wants to getstarted in the Bible and they
say I don't really want to start, you know, don't know where to
start, I'd encourage them tostart reading the book.
You know, like, start with thebook of Matthew in the New
Testament, read one chapter,read one psalm and then read one
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proverb every day.
And there's 150 psalms.
So it's going to take you, youknow, five months to get through
the psalms, but you would readthe proverbs every month,
because there's 31 proverbs.
So you can just and that's justa slow thing you could do that
in 10 minutes a day.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Now say them again.
Say what we would do.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
So you'd start out reading the New Testament.
If people start out with theOld Testament, they get through
the book of Genesis, Exodus, butwhen they get to Leviticus,
Numbers and Deuteronomy it justkind of bogs them down.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
You don't want to know the whole history of David
and I.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
It's a great story, but some people get bogged down.
So I say, hey, if you've neverread the Bible, first of all
pick a Bible that is easy toread for you Because, like the
King James Bible is a 12th gradereading level.
I think the NIV is a 9th or10th grade reading level.
So you want to get a Biblethat's easy to read.
(05:25):
Okay, could be the Living Bible, could be, you know, whatever
ESV version, whatever, but findsomething that's easy to read.
You might have to go to theBible bookstore or someplace
like that and get a Bible, butstart with the book of Matthew
in the New Testament and justread one chapter.
That's it.
Don't try to read a bunch, justread one chapter.
Then turn to the book of Psalms, which is right in the middle
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of the Bible.
Read one Psalm, like Psalm 1.
And turn to the book ofProverbs, which is right after
Psalms, and then read oneproverb.
Three chapters a day.
Just do that and over timeyou're going to read through the
entire New Testament.
You're going to read throughthat and I would just say just
do that.
And it's a great habit to getinto, right To take 10 minutes a
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day at maximum to do that andyou will begin to think, oh, I
don't want to just feel like Ihave to do it.
You're going to want to do itbecause the stories are so
amazing.
So that's just a gooddiscipline.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
That's awesome.
Another place to get a Bible,too, is go to estate sales.
I mean, you can pick them upfor a dollar, you can, yeah, and
it's got tons of it.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
So yeah, but just get one that's easy to read for you
.
Okay, pick it up, start readingsomeplace in the New Testament
or at the beginning, and if itjust has all these these and
thous, it's hard.
Just say no, that's not goingto work for me, because if it's
not easy to read, you're notgoing to read it okay, you might
force yourself to read it, butit's not going to be enjoyable.
(06:54):
And you want the Bible to be anenjoyable book to read.
It is the number one sellingbook in the world of all history
.
That's awesome that should saysomething, and world of all
history that should saysomething.
And so just find something thatyou enjoy and read it.
But so we could talk about alot of these psalms as far as
leadership, but today we'regoing to focus on one psalm.
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That's probably the most famouspsalm.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Maybe two, because, lisa, which psalm were you
listening?
Which one did you have tomemorize, lisa Krupa?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Psalms 100.
Psalm 100.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
That's the one that you like, right?
Yeah, I was just curious.
Yeah, because we were justtalking and she just recited the
whole Psalm 100, the wholething right before the thing.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
So you did really good yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
But for the sake of it, we're going to talk about
which Psalm today?
Psalm 23.
Psalm 23.
So I'm just going to read that.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
So if you're not familiar, haven't heard that in
a while.
And then we will talk about theleadership principles we get
from the psalm.
So here it is.
It's only six verses, but thisis what we get from Psalm 23.
The Lord is my shepherd.
I shall not want.
He makes me lie down in greenpastures.
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He leads me beside still waters.
He restores my soul.
He leads me in passiverighteousness for His namesake.
Even though I walk through thevalley of the shadow of death, I
will fear no evil, for you arewith me, your rod and your staff
.
They comfort me.
You prepare a table before mein the presence of my enemies.
You anoint my head with oil.
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My cup overflows.
Surely goodness and mercy shallfollow me all the days of my
life and I will dwell in thehouse of the Lord forever.
So six verses, but they aretimeless and just.
Phenomenal wisdom in that.
So let's just start with verseone as far as leadership
principles, and let's justhere's the first verse the Lord
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is my shepherd.
I shall not want.
Now, this was written by KingDavid, and yet he's saying the
Lord is my shepherd.
In other words, I am the leader, but I have a leader, which to
me translates as far asleadership principles, is that
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every good leader should also bea good follower, and if you're
not able to be a good followersometimes you lose your edge
about being a good leader.
And sometimes people inleadership for so long or in
bureaucracy for so long,administration for so long that
they forget what it's like to bein the trenches.
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And if we ever are in aleadership position but we
forget what it's like to be inthe trenches, then we've lost
our edge on our leadership.
And so I think that to me is areal important aspect of
leadership that we don't everlose the ability to be a good
follower.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, and that's, that's 100%, because I mean, um,
there's all different levels ofhow people manage and lead,
right, but I mean that's one ofthe biggest things I don't care
if you're a dictatorship, right,you know where it's your way or
the highway.
At some point, if you want toget good and you want to become
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a good leader, you have to openyourself up, you have to listen
to your people, you have to makesure that you're hearing more
than just your way, becausethere's a lot of wealth of
knowledge.
You know, just because I'vedone it some same way for 25
years doesn't mean it's theright way, right?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Or it doesn't mean.
It's the only way.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
It's the only way, yeah, and so.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
So part of a good leadership is that.
And so you know, having staffmeetings, having maybe your
executive staff listening toother people, and, as I said
before on this podcast and Iused to share with my staff, I
want to hear what you have tosay.
I have 51 percent of the voteand but after listening to them,
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sometimes you know I would say,oh, you know what your idea is
better, let's do your, let's dothat.
And so it's important forleaders to also be good
listeners and followers, forleaders to also be good
listeners and followers, andonce we lose that edge, then we
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lose something in our leadershipcapability, right?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
So you know, and that's what they sort of talk
about, you know is being a goodleader.
You know, and I think that'sone of the biggest lessons is
how do you lead?
How can you get better atleader?
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yes, and so let's just keep going down that
particular path.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Sorry, I'm doing 12 different things over here,
that's okay, you got it, myfriend, you got it.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Okay.
And so the next part of thepassage and we read this is that
he makes me lie down in greenpastures, he leads me beside the
waters, he restores my soul.
That he makes me lie down ingreen pastures, he leads me
beside the waters, he restoresmy soul.
And so, basically, what Davidwas saying about God is that God
provides the resources for me,for my soul to be nourished.
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Okay, so the question as far asleadership is as a leader, are
we providing the resources thatour people need to do their job
effectively?
And that, to me, is goodleadership.
Now, sometimes you don't havethe money.
I mean, in church, a lot oftimes we didn't have the money.
So the question is what do youprovide?
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And for me sometimes it wasaffirmation or a thank you note
or something just spending timewith people.
Because if you don't have themoney to do like capital
improvements or those kind ofthings, buy new equipment, then
sometimes you think I can't doanything.
No, you can still affect theperson's heart and their mind
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and just tell them they're doinga good job, maybe spend time
with them and let them know howvaluable they are to the company
.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Right and I think this you know, one of this thing
that you know he lays, he makesme lie down in green pastures
is the.
What we pitch in leadership isthe balance and renewal.
Right, you know?
Do you have a work-life balance?
Are you just?
Are you not taking time to openup to your inner self and
listen to the inner messages andstuff, and are you sitting out
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in a field and just listen tothe wind blow and get that inner
peace a lot so yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
So Stephen Covey, you know his seven habits.
Last one is sharpen the soft.
So that would be like what areyou doing to renew, like you
said?
What are you doing to renewyourself?
What are you allowing yourpeople to do?
Are you giving them a day off ordo you have staff days where
you know, occasionally we wouldtake the day and say, okay,
we're going to go volunteer forHabitat for Humanity in the
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morning, or we're going to goand do this at Christmastime and
this time of year, so manyopportunities for the staff to
volunteer, doing something youknow wrapping Christmas presents
somewhere, go helping at a foodshelter, do something as a team
to bond together, give them asense of something outside of
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work, but they do it togetherand that just creates a unity, a
bond between the employees.
That and to me, not just theemployees but also the
leadership of the people workingtogether.
We had some contractors over atour house just last week, okay,
yeah, and they were doing somebrickwork, patio work, and what
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amazed me was the owner of thecompany was in there shoveling
the dirt and laying the bricktoo.
And to me that spoke loudvolumes of the value he has and
his leadership ability to bewith his people and be right
there with them, do the workwith them, Instead of standing
in his truck or going off andbidding another job.
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I thought that was really avaluable lesson.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yeah, and my guest host here.
Last week, I think you guyswent and volunteered at Mission
Arlington, didn't you?
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah, we did, and then we got to go to a park and
eat lunch and play.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
So what was the Mission Arlington?
What all did you do there?
How was that experience?
Speaker 3 (15:05):
It was good.
Also a little bit painfulbecause we had to like unload
trucks of food.
Oh yeah, and then after we'dunload them, like there's two
trucks we had to unload, then wehad to sort out all the food
into categories Thanksgivingfood, miscellaneous and
non-Thanksgiving food.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
And then we had to load them all into these crates
and carry them inside, and thesewere like heavy boxes.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Heavy Were.
You like two kids per box orjust one?
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Sometimes when I was lifting a box, I had to have
three people help.
Whoa, that's pretty heavy Liketwo people help me and then
sometimes I just give it off tosomebody else like a boy who
could lift it.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah, was it a fun experience though.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah, it hurt sometimes because I was in the
sun.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
But it was fun.
You got to bond with yourpeople in the class and all that
.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
That's awesome.
There was a little bit of MissSmith's class, yeah a little bit
of everybody's class.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
That's awesome.
That is so good, it was fun, itwas great, and the amazing thing
about that is teachingservanthood at a young age 100%
100%, and so the question as faras leadership going back to
leadership is what a greatexample that the teachers of
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that school are teaching thechildren of all ages that it's
not just about me.
Part of my life here on earthis to be a blessing to other
people.
How can I do that?
And that really comes from thetop down, and so if the
principal or the administrationof her school did not think that
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was valuable, they wouldn't bedoing it.
But, they think that's part ofcharacter development and to me,
by doing those things as a team, you know going volunteering
somewhere, that's almost one ofthose intangibles that you build
with your team that you justcan't build in the office.
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It's just very difficult to do.
But you go out and work on ahabitat house, you work at a
food and clothing shelter, youvolunteer to do something.
It really does make a bond ofthe team.
That's hard to get in theoffice.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, that's awesome, we'll continue on.
He leads me beside still watersand he restores my soul, sort
of keeping on with the calmnesstheme, right To have clarity and
calmness in your situation.
Still waters reflects sort ofthat peace and that focus of a
leader in a way.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yes, yes, and so let's just tie that into verse 5
, where it says you prepare atable before me in the presence
of my enemies.
And so every business haschallenges.
Sometimes it's a supply issue,a challenge, sometimes it's a
financial issue, sometimes it'sa personnel issue either a
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person that's just not a teamplayer, or you're lacking person
, or you maybe have to trimsomething.
You've got some challenges togo, and the question is how is
the leader responding to that?
Are they a calm presence in themidst of that?
Are they the calm waters in themidst of the storm?
Or is they creating a storm?
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Are they panicking?
I'm not challenging people to bePollyannish, I'm not saying
that.
But it's important to know thatthe attitude of the company
really starts from the top down,and whatever the attitude is of
the leader is going toeventually be reflected in the
people.
And so it's good to be honest,but it's also good to be
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truthful, and a negativeattitude just it's just so has
so many ramifications about it.
Or saying something about anemployee that's out in the
public or in the hallways,that's just so damaging to
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morale the hallways, that's justso damaging to morale.
And so it's important for theleader to set the tone for the
morale, even in difficult times,and we'll all go through
difficult times.
You've gone through difficulttimes in your business, we've
gone through difficult times atthe church, but it's up to the
leader to set the emotional toneof the organization, and so the
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question is is the leaderemotionally stable?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Not all leaders are emotionally stable.
It doesn't mean that they'regood.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah, but that's important for a leader to set
the tone, because a good youwant your people to want to come
to work, not just to feel likethey have to come to work.
Oh, I've got to come to workbecause I need the paycheck.
Well, yes, but is that the onlyreason you're coming to work,
or is it because you enjoy thepeople?
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You enjoy the work, you see thebig picture.
It's a pleasant environment.
You enjoy the people you workwith.
There's so many things thatreally start with the leader of
the organization.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, and that's one, and in corporate we call that
employee engagement, you know.
Are you engaged as a leader?
Are you the person that on thesurface you're happy, but as
soon as the recruiter calls youand offers you a dollar more an
hour, then you're out the door.
Or are you drinking theKool-Aid of the company?
Are you tied into?
This is the best company.
Recruiter calls you and goes no, I'm not going to worry for it.
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You need to send all yourpeople over to my company and
send them to me, because we gotthe best company in the world.
Right, right, and that's whatyou want to give.
That's what we strive for.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, and sometimes you lose people, right?
Sometimes things happen andpeople leave for whatever reason
, and so it's up to the leaderto guide the organization
through those challenging timesand bring calmness in the midst
of those storms.
And that is really a learnedskill, but it's an important
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skill.
Yes, but it's an importantskill.
Yes, and so the very last verse, because we've got to get some
dad jokes in.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I know We've got to get some dad jokes in, so Lisa's
jonesing for dad jokes overhere, you know.
Okay, well, here we go.
Right here I got the box.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Okay, so the very last verse, psalm 23,.
Surely, goodness and mercyshall follow me all the days of
my life and I will dwell in thehouse of the Lord forever.
Just thinking about the workingenvironment, I remember at one
church, you know, I walked inthere.
The staff was pretty much set.
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And so after I'd been there fora while, they said you do mind
if we change up the offices ortrade places.
And I just said well, I don'thave a problem, do what you feel
is due so you can get the mostwork done.
And so here, within like a week, boy, they had the whole thing
rearranged.
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Love it but they were so muchhappier because it just flowed
different.
We changed the location of theworkroom.
There was so many other thingsthat they had been thinking of.
They just didn't feel they hadpermission to ask.
And so they did that and itjust calmed people down.
So it's like, yeah, that's.
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I could have said, no, let'sjust keep what we got.
But they had the willingness tosay something and I was
agreeing and said, yeah just doit and it worked.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
It was great yeah, absolutely, absolutely okay, so
we got some dad jokes we gotsome dad jokes, yeah, we got
some dad jokes yes, okay here'sone.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I know it's not a turkey, I know Turkey Day is
coming up, but this is a jokeabout a duck.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
A duck.
What are we going to do withduck?
Speaker 1 (22:57):
turkey jokes.
Why was the duck so serious?
Why was the duck so serious?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Why was the duck so serious?
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Why was the duck so serious?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
You got any ideas there?
Elisa no.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Because she didn't want to be mistaken for a silly
goose.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Do you have any there , Elisa, that you want to talk
into?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I have like like a couple.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Okay, say one.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Why do turkeys always go gobble gobble?
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Why do turkeys go gobble gobble?
Because they can't say I don'tknow what.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Why do turkeys go gobble gobble?
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Because they never learned good table manners.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
That's a good one.
Yeah, so she's got some good,uh, turkey ones.
What do you got?
One more, turkey one.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Okay, one more what's a turkey's favorite kind of
music?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
favorite kind of music I don't know I've heard
this one different.
I'm like where in a?
Band does a turkey play.
That's the one I've heard, butgo ahead, let's repeat yours.
What's a turkey's favorite kindof music?
Speaker 3 (24:23):
What's a turkey's favorite kind of music?
Speaker 1 (24:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Anything with drumsticks in it yeah, there we
go what's the favorite, you knowmusical instrument that a
turkey turkey plays yeah,drumstick, yeah, someone else's
drumstick right somebody else'sdrumstick, all right.
What do you got there?
Dr p B Well.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I just got you know one other crazy one.
Let's just see, I've got somany here.
Let me just see.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Okay, who did the frog call when his car broke
down?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Who did the frog call A toad truck?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy.
What kind of key can't opendoors?
I don't know.
You know this one.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
What kind of key cannot open doors?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yes, elisa knows this one.
I bet you what kind of keycan't open doors A turkey?
Elisa knows this one, I bet you.
What kind of key can't opendoors a turkey?
I knew it alright.
Well, let's wrap up.
Let's do a holiday special inand out of the studio today so
we can get on.
We've got to get on the roadand do some stuff.
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I know you got family coming in, so, hey, we appreciate you
listening.
Guys.
Have a happy, happy, happyThanksgiving.
Be sure, and check us outBiblicalLeadershipShowcom.
Send us any dad jokes or anyprayer requests that you might
have.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Please send us dad jokes, yeah please.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
We got some good turkey jokes today, so they gave
us a little one.
So anything else.
Elisa, do you want to sayanything to the fine people?
Tell them happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
I hope you guys have a happy Thanksgiving and that
your family can see you guys,and we'll see you guys later,
absolutely and we'll talk to younext week and we're going to
get out of the studio.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Dr P, take us out make it a great day bye.
all right, welcome.
Yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on,come on.
All right, welcome, welcome.
Hey, hey, you gotta say itWelcome, welcome, welcome.
Go ahead say it.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Welcome, welcome, welcome.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
welcome, welcome To another episode of the Biblical
Leadership Show.
We've got a special guest inthe house with us today.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
We have what's your name?
You know my name.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Dad, oh, that's my daughter, elise.
You're looking so grown up Ididn't even know I'm literally
wearing a black t-shirt withstars on it.
You are wearing a black t-shirtwith stars.
So anyway, holiday week.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Holiday week.
Oh my gosh, Turkey Day is justlike two days away, I know.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
In less than a week Wow.
I know it is.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
All right.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
You can already smell the turkey and the dressing.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
You know we've got some good ones and you know what
are we talking about today.
We're going to do this fast.
Today we're sort of we're readyto go eat some turkey and
dressing.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
right, we're ready.
I can already smell the pumpkinpie.
We were talking about thestudio, so what's your favorite
Thanksgiving food?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Oh, thanksgiving food , I don't know.
I sort of like the brown gravyand the dressing and all that,
but I mean it's a combination.
You have to have the dressing,the turkey, the mashed potatoes.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I mean everything's got to sort of go together.
It's got to come together,right?
Yeah, yeah.
So like a collage on your plate, right?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
So yeah, so I'm pretty excited about
Thanksgiving.
This is always a joyous time,you know, spending with family
and everything you got.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Big plans, family coming in, we've got family
coming in, you know, and so it'sgoing to be good.
We'll just be us at our houseand we're not doing turkey this
year, even though one of myfavorite meals this is crazy is
cold sweet potatoes.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Cold sweet potatoes.
We'll talk about that later.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
They're really good.
This year we're going to dosomething a little different.
We're going to go like anItalian Thanksgiving.
We're going to do spaghetti andpumpkin pie.
Awesome, you know, I don't know, maybe spaghetti and pumpkin
pie I like it.
We've done spaghetti forChristmas before so maybe we'll
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have pumpkin pie, then spaghetti, then pumpkin pie.
Yeah, maybe that's it.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, my wife had a traditional Italian feast one
year and we had the wholespaghetti and meatballs and all
that stuff for there and we'vebeen talking about it.
So maybe we'll fire it up forthis Christmas as well.
So yeah, never know, never know, never know.
She's going.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
no, we're having turkey and dressing and pumpkin
pie and all that stuff, andgreen stuff, and green stuff.
For sure you better not haveany spaghetti.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Maybe not All right.
So we're talking about Psalmstoday, right?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yes, we're talking about Psalms and it's got 150
Psalms in the book 150.
We could talk about the book ofPsalms and the leadership
lessons that we get from thosepassages, for weeks.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Now let's talk about what psalms are.
Are they, you know, because wesing songs, right, you know?
But I mean they're really justWell, they're hymns, they're
poems.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Many of the psalms were sung by the Jewish people
for their special days.
Maybe, as they were travelingfrom their home to Jerusalem,
they would be singing thesesongs.
And so, for our benefit, many,many hundreds of years ago, they
were written down and recordedand there's a specific pattern
(04:07):
of those Psalms, even thoughthere's 150 of them, and it's
good to just read them.
And if somebody wants to getstarted in the Bible and they
say I don't really want to start, you know, don't know where to
start, I'd encourage them tostart reading the book.
You know, like, start with thebook of Matthew in the New
Testament, read one chapter,read one psalm and then read one
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proverb every day.
And there's 150 psalms.
So it's going to take you, youknow, five months to get through
the psalms, but you would readthe proverbs every month,
because there's 31 proverbs.
So you can just and that's justa slow thing you could do that
in 10 minutes a day.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Now say them again.
Say what we would do.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
So you'd start out reading the New Testament.
If people start out with theOld Testament, they get through
the book of Genesis, Exodus, butwhen they get to Leviticus,
Numbers and Deuteronomy it justkind of bogs them down.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
You don't want to know the whole history of David
and I.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
It's a great story, but some people get bogged down.
So I say, hey, if you've neverread the Bible, first of all
pick a Bible that is easy toread for you Because, like the
King James Bible is a 12th gradereading level.
I think the NIV is a 9th or10th grade reading level.
So you want to get a Biblethat's easy to read.
(05:25):
Okay, could be the Living Bible, could be, you know, whatever
ESV version, whatever, but findsomething that's easy to read.
You might have to go to theBible bookstore or someplace
like that and get a Bible, butstart with the book of Matthew
in the New Testament and justread one chapter.
That's it.
Don't try to read a bunch, justread one chapter.
Then turn to the book of Psalms, which is right in the middle
(05:47):
of the Bible.
Read one Psalm, like Psalm 1.
And turn to the book ofProverbs, which is right after
Psalms, and then read oneproverb.
Three chapters a day.
Just do that and over timeyou're going to read through the
entire New Testament.
You're going to read throughthat and I would just say just
do that.
And it's a great habit to getinto, right To take 10 minutes a
(06:12):
day at maximum to do that andyou will begin to think, oh, I
don't want to just feel like Ihave to do it.
You're going to want to do itbecause the stories are so
amazing.
So that's just a gooddiscipline.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
That's awesome.
Another place to get a Bible,too, is go to estate sales.
I mean, you can pick them upfor a dollar, you can, yeah, and
it's got tons of it.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
So yeah, but just get one that's easy to read for you
.
Okay, pick it up, start readingsomeplace in the New Testament
or at the beginning, and if itjust has all these these and
thous, it's hard.
Just say no, that's not goingto work for me, because if it's
not easy to read, you're notgoing to read it okay, you might
force yourself to read it, butit's not going to be enjoyable.
(06:54):
And you want the Bible to be anenjoyable book to read.
It is the number one sellingbook in the world of all history
.
That's awesome that should saysomething, and world of all
history that should saysomething.
And so just find something thatyou enjoy and read it.
But so we could talk about alot of these psalms as far as
leadership, but today we'regoing to focus on one psalm.
(07:15):
That's probably the most famouspsalm.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Maybe two, because, lisa, which psalm were you
listening?
Which one did you have tomemorize, lisa Krupa?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Psalms 100.
Psalm 100.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
That's the one that you like, right?
Yeah, I was just curious.
Yeah, because we were justtalking and she just recited the
whole Psalm 100, the wholething right before the thing.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
So you did really good yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
But for the sake of it, we're going to talk about
which Psalm today?
Psalm 23.
Psalm 23.
So I'm just going to read that.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
So if you're not familiar, haven't heard that in
a while.
And then we will talk about theleadership principles we get
from the psalm.
So here it is.
It's only six verses, but thisis what we get from Psalm 23.
The Lord is my shepherd.
I shall not want.
He makes me lie down in greenpastures.
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He leads me beside still waters.
He restores my soul.
He leads me in passiverighteousness for His namesake.
Even though I walk through thevalley of the shadow of death, I
will fear no evil, for you arewith me, your rod and your staff
.
They comfort me.
You prepare a table before mein the presence of my enemies.
You anoint my head with oil.
(08:25):
My cup overflows.
Surely goodness and mercy shallfollow me all the days of my
life and I will dwell in thehouse of the Lord forever.
So six verses, but they aretimeless and just.
Phenomenal wisdom in that.
So let's just start with verseone as far as leadership
principles, and let's justhere's the first verse the Lord
(08:49):
is my shepherd.
I shall not want.
Now, this was written by KingDavid, and yet he's saying the
Lord is my shepherd.
In other words, I am the leader, but I have a leader, which to
me translates as far asleadership principles, is that
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every good leader should also bea good follower, and if you're
not able to be a good followersometimes you lose your edge
about being a good leader.
And sometimes people inleadership for so long or in
bureaucracy for so long,administration for so long that
they forget what it's like to bein the trenches.
(09:32):
And if we ever are in aleadership position but we
forget what it's like to be inthe trenches, then we've lost
our edge on our leadership.
And so I think that to me is areal important aspect of
leadership that we don't everlose the ability to be a good
follower.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, and that's, that's 100%, because I mean, um,
there's all different levels ofhow people manage and lead,
right, but I mean that's one ofthe biggest things I don't care
if you're a dictatorship, right,you know where it's your way or
the highway.
At some point, if you want toget good and you want to become
(10:13):
a good leader, you have to openyourself up, you have to listen
to your people, you have to makesure that you're hearing more
than just your way, becausethere's a lot of wealth of
knowledge.
You know, just because I'vedone it some same way for 25
years doesn't mean it's theright way, right?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Or it doesn't mean.
It's the only way.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
It's the only way, yeah, and so.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
So part of a good leadership is that.
And so you know, having staffmeetings, having maybe your
executive staff listening toother people, and, as I said
before on this podcast and Iused to share with my staff, I
want to hear what you have tosay.
I have 51 percent of the voteand but after listening to them,
(10:54):
sometimes you know I would say,oh, you know what your idea is
better, let's do your, let's dothat.
And so it's important forleaders to also be good
listeners and followers, forleaders to also be good
listeners and followers, andonce we lose that edge, then we
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lose something in our leadershipcapability, right?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
So you know, and that's what they sort of talk
about, you know is being a goodleader.
You know, and I think that'sone of the biggest lessons is
how do you lead?
How can you get better atleader?
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yes, and so let's just keep going down that
particular path.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Sorry, I'm doing 12 different things over here,
that's okay, you got it, myfriend, you got it.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Okay.
And so the next part of thepassage and we read this is that
he makes me lie down in greenpastures, he leads me beside the
waters, he restores my soul.
That he makes me lie down ingreen pastures, he leads me
beside the waters, he restoresmy soul.
And so, basically, what Davidwas saying about God is that God
provides the resources for me,for my soul to be nourished.
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Okay, so the question as far asleadership is as a leader, are
we providing the resources thatour people need to do their job
effectively?
And that, to me, is goodleadership.
Now, sometimes you don't havethe money.
I mean, in church, a lot oftimes we didn't have the money.
So the question is what do youprovide?
(12:23):
And for me sometimes it wasaffirmation or a thank you note
or something just spending timewith people.
Because if you don't have themoney to do like capital
improvements or those kind ofthings, buy new equipment, then
sometimes you think I can't doanything.
No, you can still affect theperson's heart and their mind
(12:46):
and just tell them they're doinga good job, maybe spend time
with them and let them know howvaluable they are to the company
.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Right and I think this you know, one of this thing
that you know he lays, he makesme lie down in green pastures
is the.
What we pitch in leadership isthe balance and renewal.
Right, you know?
Do you have a work-life balance?
Are you just?
Are you not taking time to openup to your inner self and
listen to the inner messages andstuff, and are you sitting out
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in a field and just listen tothe wind blow and get that inner
peace a lot so yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
So Stephen Covey, you know his seven habits.
Last one is sharpen the soft.
So that would be like what areyou doing to renew, like you
said?
What are you doing to renewyourself?
What are you allowing yourpeople to do?
Are you giving them a day off ordo you have staff days where
you know, occasionally we wouldtake the day and say, okay,
we're going to go volunteer forHabitat for Humanity in the
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morning, or we're going to goand do this at Christmastime and
this time of year, so manyopportunities for the staff to
volunteer, doing something youknow wrapping Christmas presents
somewhere, go helping at a foodshelter, do something as a team
to bond together, give them asense of something outside of
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work, but they do it togetherand that just creates a unity, a
bond between the employees.
That and to me, not just theemployees but also the
leadership of the people workingtogether.
We had some contractors over atour house just last week, okay,
yeah, and they were doing somebrickwork, patio work, and what
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amazed me was the owner of thecompany was in there shoveling
the dirt and laying the bricktoo.
And to me that spoke loudvolumes of the value he has and
his leadership ability to bewith his people and be right
there with them, do the workwith them, Instead of standing
in his truck or going off andbidding another job.
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I thought that was really avaluable lesson.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yeah, and my guest host here.
Last week, I think you guyswent and volunteered at Mission
Arlington, didn't you?
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah, we did, and then we got to go to a park and
eat lunch and play.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
So what was the Mission Arlington?
What all did you do there?
How was that experience?
Speaker 3 (15:05):
It was good.
Also a little bit painfulbecause we had to like unload
trucks of food.
Oh yeah, and then after we'dunload them, like there's two
trucks we had to unload, then wehad to sort out all the food
into categories Thanksgivingfood, miscellaneous and
non-Thanksgiving food.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
And then we had to load them all into these crates
and carry them inside, and thesewere like heavy boxes.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Heavy Were.
You like two kids per box orjust one?
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Sometimes when I was lifting a box, I had to have
three people help.
Whoa, that's pretty heavy Liketwo people help me and then
sometimes I just give it off tosomebody else like a boy who
could lift it.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah, was it a fun experience though.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah, it hurt sometimes because I was in the
sun.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
But it was fun.
You got to bond with yourpeople in the class and all that
.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
That's awesome.
There was a little bit of MissSmith's class, yeah a little bit
of everybody's class.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
That's awesome.
That is so good, it was fun, itwas great, and the amazing thing
about that is teachingservanthood at a young age 100%
100%, and so the question as faras leadership going back to
leadership is what a greatexample that the teachers of
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that school are teaching thechildren of all ages that it's
not just about me.
Part of my life here on earthis to be a blessing to other
people.
How can I do that?
And that really comes from thetop down, and so if the
principal or the administrationof her school did not think that
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was valuable, they wouldn't bedoing it.
But, they think that's part ofcharacter development and to me,
by doing those things as a team, you know going volunteering
somewhere, that's almost one ofthose intangibles that you build
with your team that you justcan't build in the office.
(17:05):
It's just very difficult to do.
But you go out and work on ahabitat house, you work at a
food and clothing shelter, youvolunteer to do something.
It really does make a bond ofthe team.
That's hard to get in theoffice.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, that's awesome, we'll continue on.
He leads me beside still watersand he restores my soul, sort
of keeping on with the calmnesstheme, right To have clarity and
calmness in your situation.
Still waters reflects sort ofthat peace and that focus of a
leader in a way.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yes, yes, and so let's just tie that into verse 5
, where it says you prepare atable before me in the presence
of my enemies.
And so every business haschallenges.
Sometimes it's a supply issue,a challenge, sometimes it's a
financial issue, sometimes it'sa personnel issue either a
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person that's just not a teamplayer, or you're lacking person
, or you maybe have to trimsomething.
You've got some challenges togo, and the question is how is
the leader responding to that?
Are they a calm presence in themidst of that?
Are they the calm waters in themidst of the storm?
Or is they creating a storm?
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Are they panicking?
I'm not challenging people to bePollyannish, I'm not saying
that.
But it's important to know thatthe attitude of the company
really starts from the top down,and whatever the attitude is of
the leader is going toeventually be reflected in the
people.
And so it's good to be honest,but it's also good to be
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truthful, and a negativeattitude just it's just so has
so many ramifications about it.
Or saying something about anemployee that's out in the
public or in the hallways,that's just so damaging to
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morale the hallways, that's justso damaging to morale.
And so it's important for theleader to set the tone for the
morale, even in difficult times,and we'll all go through
difficult times.
You've gone through difficulttimes in your business, we've
gone through difficult times atthe church, but it's up to the
leader to set the emotional toneof the organization, and so the
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question is is the leaderemotionally stable?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Not all leaders are emotionally stable.
It doesn't mean that they'regood.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah, but that's important for a leader to set
the tone, because a good youwant your people to want to come
to work, not just to feel likethey have to come to work.
Oh, I've got to come to workbecause I need the paycheck.
Well, yes, but is that the onlyreason you're coming to work,
or is it because you enjoy thepeople?
(20:01):
You enjoy the work, you see thebig picture.
It's a pleasant environment.
You enjoy the people you workwith.
There's so many things thatreally start with the leader of
the organization.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, and that's one, and in corporate we call that
employee engagement, you know.
Are you engaged as a leader?
Are you the person that on thesurface you're happy, but as
soon as the recruiter calls youand offers you a dollar more an
hour, then you're out the door.
Or are you drinking theKool-Aid of the company?
Are you tied into?
This is the best company.
Recruiter calls you and goes no, I'm not going to worry for it.
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You need to send all yourpeople over to my company and
send them to me, because we gotthe best company in the world.
Right, right, and that's whatyou want to give.
That's what we strive for.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, and sometimes you lose people, right?
Sometimes things happen andpeople leave for whatever reason
, and so it's up to the leaderto guide the organization
through those challenging timesand bring calmness in the midst
of those storms.
And that is really a learnedskill, but it's an important
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skill.
Yes, but it's an importantskill.
Yes, and so the very last verse, because we've got to get some
dad jokes in.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I know We've got to get some dad jokes in, so Lisa's
jonesing for dad jokes overhere, you know.
Okay, well, here we go.
Right here I got the box.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Okay, so the very last verse, psalm 23,.
Surely, goodness and mercyshall follow me all the days of
my life and I will dwell in thehouse of the Lord forever.
Just thinking about the workingenvironment, I remember at one
church, you know, I walked inthere.
The staff was pretty much set.
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And so after I'd been there fora while, they said you do mind
if we change up the offices ortrade places.
And I just said well, I don'thave a problem, do what you feel
is due so you can get the mostwork done.
And so here, within like a week, boy, they had the whole thing
rearranged.
(22:01):
Love it but they were so muchhappier because it just flowed
different.
We changed the location of theworkroom.
There was so many other thingsthat they had been thinking of.
They just didn't feel they hadpermission to ask.
And so they did that and itjust calmed people down.
So it's like, yeah, that's.
(22:22):
I could have said, no, let'sjust keep what we got.
But they had the willingness tosay something and I was
agreeing and said, yeah just doit and it worked.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
It was great yeah, absolutely, absolutely okay, so
we got some dad jokes we gotsome dad jokes, yeah, we got
some dad jokes yes, okay here'sone.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I know it's not a turkey, I know Turkey Day is
coming up, but this is a jokeabout a duck.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
A duck.
What are we going to do withduck?
Speaker 1 (22:57):
turkey jokes.
Why was the duck so serious?
Why was the duck so serious?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Why was the duck so serious?
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Why was the duck so serious?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
You got any ideas there?
Elisa no.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Because she didn't want to be mistaken for a silly
goose.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Do you have any there , Elisa, that you want to talk
into?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I have like like a couple.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Okay, say one.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Why do turkeys always go gobble gobble?
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Why do turkeys go gobble gobble?
Because they can't say I don'tknow what.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Why do turkeys go gobble gobble?
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Because they never learned good table manners.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
That's a good one.
Yeah, so she's got some good,uh, turkey ones.
What do you got?
One more, turkey one.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Okay, one more what's a turkey's favorite kind of
music?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
favorite kind of music I don't know I've heard
this one different.
I'm like where in a?
Band does a turkey play.
That's the one I've heard, butgo ahead, let's repeat yours.
What's a turkey's favorite kindof music?
Speaker 3 (24:23):
What's a turkey's favorite kind of music?
Speaker 1 (24:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Anything with drumsticks in it yeah, there we
go what's the favorite, you knowmusical instrument that a
turkey turkey plays yeah,drumstick, yeah, someone else's
drumstick right somebody else'sdrumstick, all right.
What do you got there?
Dr p B Well.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I just got you know one other crazy one.
Let's just see, I've got somany here.
Let me just see.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Okay, who did the frog call when his car broke
down?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Who did the frog call A toad truck?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy.
What kind of key can't opendoors?
I don't know.
You know this one.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
What kind of key cannot open doors?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yes, elisa knows this one.
I bet you what kind of keycan't open doors A turkey?
Elisa knows this one, I bet you.
What kind of key can't opendoors a turkey?
I knew it alright.
Well, let's wrap up.
Let's do a holiday special inand out of the studio today so
we can get on.
We've got to get on the roadand do some stuff.
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I know you got family coming in, so, hey, we appreciate you
listening.
Guys.
Have a happy, happy, happyThanksgiving.
Be sure, and check us outBiblicalLeadershipShowcom.
Send us any dad jokes or anyprayer requests that you might
have.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Please send us dad jokes, yeah please.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
We got some good turkey jokes today, so they gave
us a little one.
So anything else.
Elisa, do you want to sayanything to the fine people?
Tell them happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
I hope you guys have a happy Thanksgiving and that
your family can see you guys,and we'll see you guys later,
absolutely and we'll talk to younext week and we're going to
get out of the studio.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Dr P, take us out make it a great day bye.
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