June 3, 2025 • 33 mins
What leadership lessons can we learn from Haggai, Zechariah, and Malachi—the final three prophets of the Old Testament? Their stories offer remarkable wisdom for anyone tasked with rebuilding something from rubble.
When the Jewish people returned to Jerusalem after exile, they faced overwhelming challenges. Their temple was destroyed, city walls collapsed, and community spirit broken. Enter these three prophets who helped transform this dire situation through distinct but complementary leadership approaches: prioritizing mission, leading with vision, and maintaining integrity.
Great leaders understand that confronting seemingly insurmountable tasks requires more than barking orders. As Dr. P explains, "Different people need encouragement in different ways." Some team members respond to a handwritten note, others need your physical presence alongside them doing the hard work. The prophets demonstrate that leaders must adapt their approach to each individual while keeping everyone focused on the shared mission.
Perhaps the most powerful lesson comes from understanding how leaders must help others see beyond current circumstances. Whether you're building a house where clients can't envision the finished product through framed studs, or guiding a team through organizational change, your ability to paint a compelling vision of the future determines whether people persevere or give up. As Dr. P notes, "Great leaders offer hope and vision beyond what is seen."
This episode wraps up our journey through the Old Testament with practical wisdom about encouragement, visualization, consistent communication, and leading with integrity. Join us next week as we begin exploring leadership lessons from the New Testament, starting with the Gospel of Matthew.
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
all righty welcome.
Yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on,come on, all righty welcome, no
welcome, welcome, welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
There we go.
That's what we're talking abouthow you doing Dr B, I am doing
fantastic.
Oh my gosh, oh my goodness, Iknow I said this last time, but
it is so good to be back in thestudio.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yeah, it's just amazing how it happens I get to
see you a couple weeks in a rowand hang out with you.
That's so good it's just goodto see you.
I don't have to be on thiscomputer looking at you.
I can razz you.
I can see how many hundreds ofthousands of dad jokes you
(01:06):
brought today.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Let's see I'm down to about 400.
Yes, but I've got one that's soappropriate because of the time
of year.
Oh yeah, yeah, you know.
So springtime.
So what's the best time of theyear to play on a trampoline?
Springtime, yes, there we go.
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I'm just guessing the obviousanswer.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
It's not summertime.
Hey guys, welcome.
Welcome If you're first joiningus.
Hopefully you're not.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
We're finishing out the Old Testament today right we
are, we are finishing out theOld Testament.
We can't do it without some dadjokes, but we are finishing out
the Old Testament today.
Right we are, we are finishingout the Old Testament.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
We can't do it without some dad jokes, but we
are finishing out the OldTestament, we're going to get
the dad jokes for sure, right,and if you're not familiar,
we're doing a whole series,year-long series, on all the
chapters of the Bible, sort ofsummarizing and throwing them
into leadership lessons that youcould use in modern day life.
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And we're throwing a lot of dadjokes in there.
Now you got to understand.
Dr P has been out away from thestudio.
We took a little hiatus therewhile he was doing some ministry
work running a church down inWaco.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yep and I was on travel, so it worked out good,
but we're back in studio as oflast week and he is Dad Joke.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Jones, they've been piling up.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Oh my gosh, he's been doing his research and he's
just been printing out paper andhe's like, oh, I'm ready to
come back, I am ready, ready,ready.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I'm ready to come back.
I am ready, ready, ready.
And if you are here for thefirst time and you didn't have a
chance to listen to our podcastlast week on Esther, I
encourage you to do that,because what an incredible woman
she was, and also her relativeMordecai, and they offer some
amazing lessons on leadershipthat I think are so important
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for today.
That's what we try to do everyweek when we go through the
books of the Bible.
We pull out.
There's lots of things we coulddiscuss, but our focus is what
does each of the people you know, the people of the Old
Testament, the books of theBible what do they teach us
about leadership that we canapply to today?
Now, we're not just talkingabout leadership of a company,
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even though that's true.
You could be leading a softballteam, you could be leading a
scout troop, you could beleading a nonprofit, you could
be leading a fundraiser, youcould be leading your family.
You know you could be leading agroup of yoga people.
You know you could be a groupof people that work out at the
gym or a pickleball court orsomething.
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So there's leadership principlesthat what we try to do is do a
broad spectrum through a largenet and yet try to relate it to
today.
What is the Bible?
And I think it's so importantto realize that the Bible does
relate to our lives today, andthat's what we're trying to do.
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That was one of the number onequestions that I had in my
ministry was how does the Biblerelate to my life today?
And we try to answer that everyweek on our podcast and
specifically focusing onleadership.
And so now we're finishing theOld Testament, excited to do
that, and we'll start the NewTestament next week.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Yeah, I think the thing just to add on to that
before we switch gears is theBible.
I've read it at differentpoints in different life and it
always reads different dependingon where you're at.
I think that's one of thecoolest things about that.
I mean, you pick out differentthings every time you pick up a
book and read it.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yes, and so you can just read it like a book, like a
novel, and that's good to dothat if you just want to read.
I led a church one time readingthe entire Bible in 90 days.
That was a lot of reading.
But here's the thing If youread it in a year which is good
or if you read it and it takesseveral years to read, you don't
always connect the OldTestament to the New Testament.
So when you read it that fast,like a novel, you just read it
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for reading's sake.
You begin to see how the OldTestament and the New Testament
work together as one book.
Now yes, there are 66 books, alot of different authors over
thousands of years of time, butthey all have a common theme,
and that is there is a God andwe're not Him, and that God
loves His people and sent aSavior, his Son, named Jesus, to
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die for our sins.
And he died, he was buried, herose to death so he could give
us the gift of eternal life.
So that whole message we caneven find in the Old Testament,
and so the messages that we tryto bring across on our podcast
every week, in addition to dadjokes, is how does this Bible
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apply to my life?
You know I might be leading apickup basketball league every
Thursday night.
What does that mean for me?
Well, integrity and all thosekind of stuff are so important.
You know your language, how youtreat other people.
That's so, so important.
And the consequences?
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That's what we talked aboutlast week with Esther.
You know there are consequencesto everything, and sometimes we
can choose those consequencesand many times we can't, and so
that's what we try to do everyweek, and we're glad that you're
here.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, 100%.
We'll throw one more dad jokein there and then let's tell
these good people what we'regoing to do today.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
So why did the hammer go to the doctor?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Something about a nail probably.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Because he hit his head.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Oh man, I'm going to give a construction street cred
on the construction.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I like that one.
Yeah, you're a construction guy.
Yeah one, I watched the video.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Construction guy yeah , I watched the video the other
day.
The guy was juggling, he had anail in the ceiling and he was
juggling hammers and I don'tknow if his ar not if he was
really doing it, but he wasthrowing it up and he was
hitting the, the hammer, thenail, and he was actually
driving it in in the ceiling.
So I was trying to watch it,didn't?
It looked pretty real.
But I mean, you never know.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
AIs come a lot pretty good there and some of those
jugglers are pretty solid.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
I would think if it hit the nail it would throw it
off coming down.
So that's why I was like, well,maybe, maybe not, but if it was
there, but anyway, that wouldbe a heck of a trick if you can
do it.
So where are we going on this?
We're finishing up the OldTestament this week and we've
been doing the Old Testament alittle bit different, you know,
because we mentioned this, youknow last couple weeks and
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Esther and a couple times before.
So catch the people up howwe're doing the Old Testament.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Well, we did not necessarily do it in order, even
though these last three booksare the last three books of the
Old Testament.
Do it in order, even thoughthese last three books are the
last three books of the OldTestament.
We did it more of achronological but also thematic.
So we did the first severalbooks in order and then we
started just kind of pairing uplike a major prophet and a minor
prophet.
So let's just talk about thatfor just a minute In the Old
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Testament.
First of all, there are 66 booksin the Bible.
You have the Old Testament andthe New Testament.
First of all, there are 66books in the Bible.
You have the Old Testament andthe New Testament, old Testament
before Jesus, new Testamentwith Jesus and afterwards.
In the Old Testament there area section toward the end, or
really from the middle back ofthe Old Testament.
There are prophets, andprophets were people from God
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that heard from God and sharedthe knowledge with people.
A lot of it was to help thepeople turn back to God because
they had turned away from God.
And so in the Old Testament wesee that there are four major
prophets Some people think five,depending upon who they believe
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wrote the book of Lamentations,but many people believe that
Jeremiah wrote that.
So four major prophets and 12minor prophets, and minor not
meaning that they're lessvaluable.
Minor meaning their books are alot shorter, okay.
So when you have Ezekiel orJeremiah or Isaiah, those books
so when you have Ezekiel orJeremiah or Isaiah, those books,
you know they're 30, 40, youknow 50 chapters long.
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You know, when you have thebook of Haggai, that's two
chapters.
Zechariah, 14 chapters.
Malachi, four chapters themessage is still very powerful,
still very relevant, but thetext is just a lot shorter, so
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let me just give a historicalbackground a little bit.
Hopefully it's not too boring,but it's so important to know
the historical context of thesetwo.
And so the the first two, haggaiand some people pronounce it
Hag-ay-ay and Zechariah, ifyou're not familiar with
biblical history, in 586, theBabylonian Empire came in and
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destroyed the city of Jerusalem,deported thousands of people to
Babylon, away from Israel, okay.
And then in 539, the PersianEmpire conquered the Babylonians
, and so, back in 538, theJewish people were allowed to
start going back to Jerusalem.
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Well, when the Babyloniansconquered Jerusalem, they
destroyed the temple.
So one of the very first thingsthat the Jewish people wanted
to do was to rebuild the temple,and so that happened, starting
in the 530 area.
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And so Haggai and Zech peopleto finish the temple.
It was a massive project.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
It was pretty much in ruins, yeah, it was in ruins.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
They had to clear out the rubble.
They had to do that.
And you know how some thingsare.
When it's just you walk in,you're maybe a new COO, or you
walk into a company and it'sjust in shambles.
Or you get up.
You get up, you're excitedabout starting your business and
you find a place to rent, andyou walk in with a realtor and
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the place is just a total wreck.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Too overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
It is so overwhelming you don't even know where to
start, okay.
Well, the first thing beforeyou touch anything is to make
sure you have a good attitudeabout it and to say I want to do
this, okay.
And so Haggai and Zechariahwere prophets from God, and
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their real purpose that we seein their writings was to just
encourage the people to do whatthey wanted to do.
And so, to me, I think what agreat leadership principle that
part of good leaders encouragepeople to do hard work, okay.
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It doesn't mean that you haveto work them 20 hours a day, it
doesn't mean that you have toabuse your people or anything
like that, but you encouragethem to do what they want to do
anyway and hold them accountable.
And that was, you know.
Sometimes that's hard to do forleaders to hold people
accountable and like no, youknow you can have a break, but
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your break's only 15 minutes.
Or you know your lunch period isonly 45 minutes.
And or you know what.
We're going to bring our lunchin for the next week so that we
can share lunch together.
We're going to have 30-minutelunch.
We're going to eat 30-minutelunch.
We're going to eat lunch andtalk and then we're all going to
get back to work because we'vegot to focus on this project.
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We have a deadline by Friday at5.
But leaders, they don't justdictate, they're not just
autocratic.
Sometimes that's important, buta lot of times it's not.
But encouragement is alwaysimportant.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yeah, and it's what it really was.
It was overwhelming.
People were working on theirhouse more than they were
working on the temple, and itwas then when they sort of got
focused.
The work on the temple was slow.
It's discouraging, you know.
You need that encouragement andI think that's one of the things
that I put down is greatleaders offer hope and vision
beyond what is seen.
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A lot of times we asentrepreneurs, we as the leaders
, we have a vision but we don'texpress it to our people.
Or sometimes we do and we getbuy-in.
But no matter what, you've gotto keep encouraging those people
, because sometimes they justdon't get it, even though if
you've explained it, you, you,you.
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This is your calling, this isthat nagging we talked about
last.
You know last week that it'ssomething that's nagging on you
and you've got to go andencourage these people.
You've got to offer that, that,that that hope and that vision
beyond what they can see withtheir own two eyes, cause a lot
of times people can't see.
I get this in construction right, and we've talked about it
before.
When I'm framing a house andwe'll be standing there, I'm
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like, well, where are you goingto put your bed in this master
bedroom.
They're like where's the masterbedroom?
I'm like where are you standingin it?
They go this is a kitchen,right?
I go no, this is your masterbedroom.
And they go what?
No, even with frame up, mybrain works and it's fine.
But until sheetrock goes up,people still can't envision
their house with just studsthere.
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So you've got to paint thatpicture, sometimes with people.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah, and you have to paint it over and over.
And here's the thing Forleaders sometimes leaders can
get frustrated if they have torepeat the same thing over and
over.
And so the question is how canI communicate and encourage that
brings the most return of thateffort?
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And that doesn't mean or itdoes mean, I'm sorry to say, it
does mean that sometimesdifferent people need
encouragement in different ways.
Okay, sometimes people justneed a note, sometimes people
they just want an encouragingword, sometimes people need you
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to be right there with them todo that.
And so you know.
That brings me—let's just goback into the Scripture, because
this is all happening around520 BC.
Okay, now the temple wasfinished in 516 BC, so it's not
like a one-month project.
I mean, it was several years ofproject.
Then we fast forward about 60years Now we have the temple
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done, but the city is still inruins.
Okay, the walls are stillbroken down, this massive wall
around the city.
So Ezra the priest comes,nehemiah comes back to Jerusalem
in around 445 BC.
So think about this the templeand the whole wall of the city
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was destroyed in 586 BC.
We're talking like almost 150years that the walls of the city
were in shambles.
We're talking about from 586 to520 that the temple was in
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shambles.
So you're talking 60, 70 yearsthat the temple was just in
shambles.
And sometimes it's hard, likeyou just said, for people to see
beyond the rubble, to seewhat's possible, and so it's so
important to do baby steps.
You're getting that bigwarehouse.
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You're renting a25,000-square-foot warehouse for
your business because you wantto move and you walk in and you
see this warehouse hasn't beenoccupied in decades, maybe
whatever, and it's like youcan't clean it up in a day and
you might not be able to do itby yourself, and so you've got
to evaluate it and you get inthere.
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And what we see in Nehemiah,which we talked about many, many
weeks ago, was Nehemiah justdidn't sit back and encourage
the people.
He was actually there helpingthem build the wall.
So encouragement for somepeople means you're right there
with them, doing the hard workwith them.
You're not just standing off inyour office encouraging them to
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do the work.
You're actually sweating,rolling up your sleeves and
doing the work too, and thatspeaks volumes to people that
you are encouraging.
You know that you work with,that.
You're willing to do the hardwork too.
You're not just the boss,you're not just shouting out
instructions, you're actuallydoing that.
So here we have Haggai andZechariah.
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They're in 520.
Then Malachi comes in, almost ahundred years later.
Okay Now.
So we have the temple's done.
The walls of the city are stillin ruins.
You have Ezra coming in.
He's the priest.
Nehemiah is the new governor.
The story of Nehemiah is aphenomenal story, and they
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rebuild the wall.
But he was not just there torebuild the wall.
He was encouraging people toget back to their faith and you
know, reform their religion, getback to God, those kind of
things.
And so he returned to Persia inaround 433 BC, and that's the
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time that Malachi was there.
And Malachi sees the peoplehave turned away from God.
So their temple's there, thecity is being rebuilt, the walls
are rebuilt, but the faith ofthe people has turned away from
God, and that's what started.
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The whole problem with theJewish people centuries before
was their unfaithfulness to God,their unfaithfulness to their
mission and to their firstpriority.
And so part of the leader's jobis to keep people focused on the
mission, the vision what is ouroutcome objective of our
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organization?
Mission, the vision what is ouroutcome objective of our
organization?
So it's not just encouragingpeople to do the daily task,
it's to help them say, okay,what's the bigger purpose of our
organization?
We're not just here punching aclock, you know.
We're not just here makingwidgets.
What is our purpose?
And so I think for you as abuilder you're you know you want
these people to just see theirhouse as a completed project.
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You know, because it can bediscouraging over time,
especially if you're building abig house and it takes a year or
so to build it.
They just get discouraged andyou just got to keep encouraging
them.
Now it's coming along it's doinggood and come out and see what
we're doing and you knowwhatever.
So can you just?
I know you've dealt with that alot yeah, yeah, and that's the
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way it is.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I mean, you're, you're always going to have that
people and, and that's why Isaid the difference between,
like a custom builder comparedto a production builder that
never has to deal with anyclients, compared to a
subcontractor, that's in and outin two, three, four days, maybe
a week.
You know I have to spendanywhere from a year, from six
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months, to a year and a half,maybe two years, on some of
these really huge compounds.
And you know it's a process andyou know one of the biggest
things is communication and iflong as you're communicating,
you're talking about the process.
But still, no matter how goodof a communicator and how good
at this, there's always going tobe things that are going to
come up and you're going to haveto work through them.
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And it's like a roller coaster.
And I was thinking about this.
If you come into a temple,that's just been there, it's a
norm.
It's been there for 150-plusyears, right, you're just
looking at this rubble.
I mean, that would be anoverwhelming task to come in to
go find.
And I look at some of thesehouses.
You know they post these likethis vacant house.
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You know you've ever seen those?
things those vacant things thatthey just disappeared in the
landscape and they've beenvacant for, you know, hundreds
of years.
But I mean there are hugemansions out in there, russia,
and all these places.
I'm like how did I?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
get one of those, you know, because they're just
sitting there.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
But I mean just to think about how to go through
and take one of those houses andredo to live in it.
Or you know these people thattake these old missile silos and
they convert them into housesbelow ground.
It's just.
That is a huge undertaking andyou know, and to do it, it's one
of those things that you haveto have a lot of faith and I, in
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my little show prep, I thinkthis really prioritized how
these chapters tied together,because you mentioned you want
to tie these chapters togetherand, you know, put the little
exclamation on that, and Haggaiis prioritizing God's mission,
zechariah is leading with visionand encouragement, and then
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Malachi is confrontingcompromise and calling for
integrity, and I think that'syou know what's the mission, the
vision and what's the.
You know how to encourage thosepeople and then you know how do
you get the compromise and makesure they're doing a good job.
I think that's business ingeneral.
When I started looking at theseand some of the leadership
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lessons that come out of these,they tie in really nice together
.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
They really do.
And so the you know I think theyou know that these three
prophets, they challenged thepeople, they motivated the
people, they encouraged thepeople to do something that was
really, really difficult, butlooking back on it, they knew
when they were finished, youknow, when that last whatever
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was put in place that theythought, wow, it was worth every
bit of our effort.
And that's what you want to doas a leader you want to look
back and say, wow, that was notjust you, but your people.
You wanted them to look backand say, wow, that was hard, but
we did it and we did ittogether and we're really proud
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of the work that we did.
Now, what we don't knowobviously, these books are short
, like Haggai is only twochapters long and Malachi is
four chapters, zechariah is 14chapters.
We can look at the themes.
We obviously don't know all thewords that they said, and so to
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me, that is a challenge for usto say okay, I know I'm supposed
to encourage and I just saidthis a few minutes ago Different
people encourage different ways, and so you need to find out
how to encourage your people,because for some, they're just
motivated because you boughtthem coffee this morning.
They're excited Other people.
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They need you to sit down andlisten because they might be
going through a difficult timein their personal life or
whatever.
Or you know it's time forgraduations now.
You have college graduationsand high school graduations and
they might just be thinkingabout that, that's on their mind
, or whatever, and you just haveto sit down and go.
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Yeah, I understand that.
That's so exciting.
Do you need a day off?
Because to be with your son ordaughter who's graduating?
Why don't you take a day off?
We'll see you on Monday andenjoy the weekend with your
family.
Come back and let's get afterit.
For some people, that's whatit's going to take to have them
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realize that you really careabout them.
You don't just care about theproject, you don't just care
about the process, you careabout each individual person,
and that, to me, is such animportant part of leadership is
that it's caring, not justaccomplishment.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Okay, Right, so yeah, yeah, well, you know, this is a
.
I like the way we we put thesetogether.
I think it's a good.
It's a good order.
I think it's a good read.
I think it's a short read ifone of people want to go back
and look at some of these andand I think that you know these,
these there's a lot of versesand leadership lessons in there,
that sort of the backbone ofyou know some of the leadership
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principles that we talk aboutall the time.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yes, that is so true, that is awesome.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Let's see we.
You know we're pushing on there.
I mean we could cut like twominutes early and give you some
more dad joke time.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, we could.
Okay, here's one.
Here's one, let's just.
Let's just transition.
Here's one, let's justtransition.
I saw him jonesing over thereSalivating Okay, why was the ice
cream cone so bad at tennis?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Oh, don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Because he always had soft serve.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Oh my, gosh, I can't, I can't.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Oh come on, I can't.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Sometimes they hit me good, Sometimes like hmm.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
You know, I have a pen right here.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yes, I see that.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
That can write underwater.
Oh, I think I've heard this one, but it can also write other
words too.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I was like what is that one?
Speaker 2 (26:44):
What is that one?
You've heard that one before.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, I was trying to remember it right, okay, okay.
Let's see, do I have any goodones there?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Okay, what do you call a loaf of bread that has 52
slices?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Loaf of bread that has 52 slices.
Yeah, yearly something.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
A deck of carbs All right.
I went down weeks, you wentdown carbs.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
All right, that's fine.
Yeah, let's see.
When is a door not a door?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Oh yes.
I'm thinking the old schoolones right, yes, okay, when is a
door not a door?
I don't know when it's open.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
You get it when it's in your vehicle, no when it's a
jar.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
When it's a jar, door is open, right?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Oh yes, what is the oldest tree?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
oldest tree.
It's actually a brittle stonepine.
But we, what is the we're all?
answer the elder, the elder,uh-huh okay, so if you actually
go I can't remember the name ofthe national park it's in utah,
bristol, comb pine, some thosetrees.
You have to walk up this littlehill.
This is a true story and I'mthinking it's in Canyonlands,
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maybe National Park, one ofthose up in that area.
Some of those trees literallyare 4,000 years old and you can
go up there and they have thesesigns on the trees or right next
to the trees to say this treestarted growing when David was
king of Israel or when.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Julius Caesar lived.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, it is absolutely phenomenal.
And these trees are up on thishill and the wind's blowing all
the time, so they have all theseamazing shapes and they're so
slow growing.
But if you look up thebristlecone pine, they have all
these weird amazing shapes likeartwork.
(28:47):
You know you see them in apainting or something, but
they're actually up there onthis mountain and you just walk
and there's just a whole bunchof them just in that one spot
and it is definitely worth ifyou're out in that area I think
it is Canyonlands National Parkthat you can go up there and see
that.
So those are probably the eldertrees you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Yeah, probably.
Have you ever traveled?
Have you ever been to the RedSea?
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yes, I was.
Years ago, I was there.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Do you know, if you threw a white stone in a Red Sea
, what it would become?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
A splash.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Wet, close to wet.
You know, I was at the pawnshop.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I was at the pawn shop, that's better.
Okay, that's better.
Okay, I went into the pawn shopthe other day because I wanted
to get a really good used guitar.
Okay, I already have twoguitars but I want another one.
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And this one guy came out andhe said here it is.
And I said wait a minute,there's no strings attached to
that one.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Oh, let's see, I'll give it to you oh that's a bad
one.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
That's a bad one.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yeah, we need to have some groaners.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
They can't always be that good.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
They can't always be good.
All right, I guess.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
You got one more, you got, you get one more, and I'll
get one more.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
All right.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Okay, here's my last one for the day.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Are we finishing?
Speaker 2 (30:29):
up.
The Old Testament Got to have agood one.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, this is the Old Testament.
We're finishing up the OldTestament.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
An Old Testament dad joke.
Oh there are so many of them,okay, okay, I wanted to start a
professional hide-and-seek team,but good players are hard to
find.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yeah, that was good.
Right, I'll just look at it.
I was just looking at some ofthose.
Why didn't they play cards onthe arc?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Because they already had a pair.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Because Noah was always standing on the deck.
Oh, I know that's what he wantsto do.
Why was the Pharaoh so stubborn?
We'll go on this one.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Okay, why.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Because he had denial issues.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Oh yeah, let's stop on this one.
Okay, why?
Because he had denial issues.
Oh that, yeah, let's stop onthat one, please.
Oh, that's what we get.
That is definitely a groaner.
All right, guys, check us out.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Biblical leadership show.
Yeah, I'm sorry, we're back inthe studio be like dang, I
thought these guys were packingit up, please, no, we still got
the rest of the year on the NewTestament, which we're going to
start next week.
Right Next week, we're startingthe book of Matthew.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Matthew Now here's the thing about Matthew.
Just give our listeners alittle heads up.
Some of the books like Matthew,luke, john Acts some of those
books like Matthew 28 chaptersit might be challenging for us,
as we do show prep, to do all ofthe book in one lesson, I mean
(32:15):
in one podcast.
So for some of them we're goingto break them up into two just
because there's so much goodmaterial.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yeah, we don't want to just brush over them just
because we're on a time schedule.
We don't have a time schedule.
We're just trying to make surewe go as thorough as we can and
make sure that all fits in thebox on this, because there's so
many leadership lessons to learnout of these.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
There are so many, and we're trying not to repeat
the same lesson.
We're looking at differentaspects of it, and so I hope
that you join us next week as webegin the New Testament.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yeah, but other than that, check us out
biblicalleadershipshowcom.
Let us know if there's anythingwe can say a prayer about,
anything that we can do, anykind of subject you want us to
throw in there, or if you havesome leadership lessons coming
up in the New Testament thatit's strong to you.
I, you have some leadershiplessons coming up in the new
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testament.
That it's it's strong to you.
I know we've heard from a lotof you.
I know we got people all overthe country that are listening.
So, uh, just let us know whatresonates with you, and and we
would love to uh give you ashout out, but other than that
well, tell someone else aboutthe podcast if you're enjoying
it.
We really appreciate that yeah,dr p takes out with you.
Hey, make it a great day.
Appreciate it.
all righty welcome.
Yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on,come on, all righty welcome, no
welcome, welcome, welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
There we go.
That's what we're talking abouthow you doing Dr B, I am doing
fantastic.
Oh my gosh, oh my goodness, Iknow I said this last time, but
it is so good to be back in thestudio.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yeah, it's just amazing how it happens I get to
see you a couple weeks in a rowand hang out with you.
That's so good it's just goodto see you.
I don't have to be on thiscomputer looking at you.
I can razz you.
I can see how many hundreds ofthousands of dad jokes you
(01:06):
brought today.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Let's see I'm down to about 400.
Yes, but I've got one that's soappropriate because of the time
of year.
Oh yeah, yeah, you know.
So springtime.
So what's the best time of theyear to play on a trampoline?
Springtime, yes, there we go.
(01:30):
I'm just guessing the obviousanswer.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
It's not summertime.
Hey guys, welcome.
Welcome If you're first joiningus.
Hopefully you're not.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
We're finishing out the Old Testament today right we
are, we are finishing out theOld Testament.
We can't do it without some dadjokes, but we are finishing out
the Old Testament today.
Right we are, we are finishingout the Old Testament.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
We can't do it without some dad jokes, but we
are finishing out the OldTestament, we're going to get
the dad jokes for sure, right,and if you're not familiar,
we're doing a whole series,year-long series, on all the
chapters of the Bible, sort ofsummarizing and throwing them
into leadership lessons that youcould use in modern day life.
(02:06):
And we're throwing a lot of dadjokes in there.
Now you got to understand.
Dr P has been out away from thestudio.
We took a little hiatus therewhile he was doing some ministry
work running a church down inWaco.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yep and I was on travel, so it worked out good,
but we're back in studio as oflast week and he is Dad Joke.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Jones, they've been piling up.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Oh my gosh, he's been doing his research and he's
just been printing out paper andhe's like, oh, I'm ready to
come back, I am ready, ready,ready.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I'm ready to come back.
I am ready, ready, ready.
And if you are here for thefirst time and you didn't have a
chance to listen to our podcastlast week on Esther, I
encourage you to do that,because what an incredible woman
she was, and also her relativeMordecai, and they offer some
amazing lessons on leadershipthat I think are so important
(03:04):
for today.
That's what we try to do everyweek when we go through the
books of the Bible.
We pull out.
There's lots of things we coulddiscuss, but our focus is what
does each of the people you know, the people of the Old
Testament, the books of theBible what do they teach us
about leadership that we canapply to today?
Now, we're not just talkingabout leadership of a company,
(03:25):
even though that's true.
You could be leading a softballteam, you could be leading a
scout troop, you could beleading a nonprofit, you could
be leading a fundraiser, youcould be leading your family.
You know you could be leading agroup of yoga people.
You know you could be a groupof people that work out at the
gym or a pickleball court orsomething.
(03:45):
So there's leadership principlesthat what we try to do is do a
broad spectrum through a largenet and yet try to relate it to
today.
What is the Bible?
And I think it's so importantto realize that the Bible does
relate to our lives today, andthat's what we're trying to do.
(04:06):
That was one of the number onequestions that I had in my
ministry was how does the Biblerelate to my life today?
And we try to answer that everyweek on our podcast and
specifically focusing onleadership.
And so now we're finishing theOld Testament, excited to do
that, and we'll start the NewTestament next week.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Yeah, I think the thing just to add on to that
before we switch gears is theBible.
I've read it at differentpoints in different life and it
always reads different dependingon where you're at.
I think that's one of thecoolest things about that.
I mean, you pick out differentthings every time you pick up a
book and read it.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yes, and so you can just read it like a book, like a
novel, and that's good to dothat if you just want to read.
I led a church one time readingthe entire Bible in 90 days.
That was a lot of reading.
But here's the thing If youread it in a year which is good
or if you read it and it takesseveral years to read, you don't
always connect the OldTestament to the New Testament.
So when you read it that fast,like a novel, you just read it
(05:15):
for reading's sake.
You begin to see how the OldTestament and the New Testament
work together as one book.
Now yes, there are 66 books, alot of different authors over
thousands of years of time, butthey all have a common theme,
and that is there is a God andwe're not Him, and that God
loves His people and sent aSavior, his Son, named Jesus, to
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die for our sins.
And he died, he was buried, herose to death so he could give
us the gift of eternal life.
So that whole message we caneven find in the Old Testament,
and so the messages that we tryto bring across on our podcast
every week, in addition to dadjokes, is how does this Bible
(06:00):
apply to my life?
You know I might be leading apickup basketball league every
Thursday night.
What does that mean for me?
Well, integrity and all thosekind of stuff are so important.
You know your language, how youtreat other people.
That's so, so important.
And the consequences?
(06:21):
That's what we talked aboutlast week with Esther.
You know there are consequencesto everything, and sometimes we
can choose those consequencesand many times we can't, and so
that's what we try to do everyweek, and we're glad that you're
here.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, 100%.
We'll throw one more dad jokein there and then let's tell
these good people what we'regoing to do today.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
So why did the hammer go to the doctor?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Something about a nail probably.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Because he hit his head.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Oh man, I'm going to give a construction street cred
on the construction.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I like that one.
Yeah, you're a construction guy.
Yeah one, I watched the video.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Construction guy yeah , I watched the video the other
day.
The guy was juggling, he had anail in the ceiling and he was
juggling hammers and I don'tknow if his ar not if he was
really doing it, but he wasthrowing it up and he was
hitting the, the hammer, thenail, and he was actually
driving it in in the ceiling.
So I was trying to watch it,didn't?
It looked pretty real.
But I mean, you never know.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
AIs come a lot pretty good there and some of those
jugglers are pretty solid.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
I would think if it hit the nail it would throw it
off coming down.
So that's why I was like, well,maybe, maybe not, but if it was
there, but anyway, that wouldbe a heck of a trick if you can
do it.
So where are we going on this?
We're finishing up the OldTestament this week and we've
been doing the Old Testament alittle bit different, you know,
because we mentioned this, youknow last couple weeks and
(07:52):
Esther and a couple times before.
So catch the people up howwe're doing the Old Testament.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Well, we did not necessarily do it in order, even
though these last three booksare the last three books of the
Old Testament.
Do it in order, even thoughthese last three books are the
last three books of the OldTestament.
We did it more of achronological but also thematic.
So we did the first severalbooks in order and then we
started just kind of pairing uplike a major prophet and a minor
prophet.
So let's just talk about thatfor just a minute In the Old
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Testament.
First of all, there are 66 booksin the Bible.
You have the Old Testament andthe New Testament.
First of all, there are 66books in the Bible.
You have the Old Testament andthe New Testament, old Testament
before Jesus, new Testamentwith Jesus and afterwards.
In the Old Testament there area section toward the end, or
really from the middle back ofthe Old Testament.
There are prophets, andprophets were people from God
(08:45):
that heard from God and sharedthe knowledge with people.
A lot of it was to help thepeople turn back to God because
they had turned away from God.
And so in the Old Testament wesee that there are four major
prophets Some people think five,depending upon who they believe
(09:06):
wrote the book of Lamentations,but many people believe that
Jeremiah wrote that.
So four major prophets and 12minor prophets, and minor not
meaning that they're lessvaluable.
Minor meaning their books are alot shorter, okay.
So when you have Ezekiel orJeremiah or Isaiah, those books
so when you have Ezekiel orJeremiah or Isaiah, those books,
you know they're 30, 40, youknow 50 chapters long.
(09:28):
You know, when you have thebook of Haggai, that's two
chapters.
Zechariah, 14 chapters.
Malachi, four chapters themessage is still very powerful,
still very relevant, but thetext is just a lot shorter, so
(09:49):
let me just give a historicalbackground a little bit.
Hopefully it's not too boring,but it's so important to know
the historical context of thesetwo.
And so the the first two, haggaiand some people pronounce it
Hag-ay-ay and Zechariah, ifyou're not familiar with
biblical history, in 586, theBabylonian Empire came in and
(10:11):
destroyed the city of Jerusalem,deported thousands of people to
Babylon, away from Israel, okay.
And then in 539, the PersianEmpire conquered the Babylonians
, and so, back in 538, theJewish people were allowed to
start going back to Jerusalem.
(10:32):
Well, when the Babyloniansconquered Jerusalem, they
destroyed the temple.
So one of the very first thingsthat the Jewish people wanted
to do was to rebuild the temple,and so that happened, starting
in the 530 area.
(11:05):
And so Haggai and Zech peopleto finish the temple.
It was a massive project.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
It was pretty much in ruins, yeah, it was in ruins.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
They had to clear out the rubble.
They had to do that.
And you know how some thingsare.
When it's just you walk in,you're maybe a new COO, or you
walk into a company and it'sjust in shambles.
Or you get up.
You get up, you're excitedabout starting your business and
you find a place to rent, andyou walk in with a realtor and
(11:37):
the place is just a total wreck.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Too overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
It is so overwhelming you don't even know where to
start, okay.
Well, the first thing beforeyou touch anything is to make
sure you have a good attitudeabout it and to say I want to do
this, okay.
And so Haggai and Zechariahwere prophets from God, and
(12:04):
their real purpose that we seein their writings was to just
encourage the people to do whatthey wanted to do.
And so, to me, I think what agreat leadership principle that
part of good leaders encouragepeople to do hard work, okay.
(12:25):
It doesn't mean that you haveto work them 20 hours a day, it
doesn't mean that you have toabuse your people or anything
like that, but you encouragethem to do what they want to do
anyway and hold them accountable.
And that was, you know.
Sometimes that's hard to do forleaders to hold people
accountable and like no, youknow you can have a break, but
(12:49):
your break's only 15 minutes.
Or you know your lunch period isonly 45 minutes.
And or you know what.
We're going to bring our lunchin for the next week so that we
can share lunch together.
We're going to have 30-minutelunch.
We're going to eat 30-minutelunch.
We're going to eat lunch andtalk and then we're all going to
get back to work because we'vegot to focus on this project.
(13:09):
We have a deadline by Friday at5.
But leaders, they don't justdictate, they're not just
autocratic.
Sometimes that's important, buta lot of times it's not.
But encouragement is alwaysimportant.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yeah, and it's what it really was.
It was overwhelming.
People were working on theirhouse more than they were
working on the temple, and itwas then when they sort of got
focused.
The work on the temple was slow.
It's discouraging, you know.
You need that encouragement andI think that's one of the things
that I put down is greatleaders offer hope and vision
beyond what is seen.
(13:44):
A lot of times we asentrepreneurs, we as the leaders
, we have a vision but we don'texpress it to our people.
Or sometimes we do and we getbuy-in.
But no matter what, you've gotto keep encouraging those people
, because sometimes they justdon't get it, even though if
you've explained it, you, you,you.
(14:04):
This is your calling, this isthat nagging we talked about
last.
You know last week that it'ssomething that's nagging on you
and you've got to go andencourage these people.
You've got to offer that, that,that that hope and that vision
beyond what they can see withtheir own two eyes, cause a lot
of times people can't see.
I get this in construction right, and we've talked about it
before.
When I'm framing a house andwe'll be standing there, I'm
(14:27):
like, well, where are you goingto put your bed in this master
bedroom.
They're like where's the masterbedroom?
I'm like where are you standingin it?
They go this is a kitchen,right?
I go no, this is your masterbedroom.
And they go what?
No, even with frame up, mybrain works and it's fine.
But until sheetrock goes up,people still can't envision
their house with just studsthere.
(14:48):
So you've got to paint thatpicture, sometimes with people.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah, and you have to paint it over and over.
And here's the thing Forleaders sometimes leaders can
get frustrated if they have torepeat the same thing over and
over.
And so the question is how canI communicate and encourage that
brings the most return of thateffort?
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And that doesn't mean or itdoes mean, I'm sorry to say, it
does mean that sometimesdifferent people need
encouragement in different ways.
Okay, sometimes people justneed a note, sometimes people
they just want an encouragingword, sometimes people need you
(15:36):
to be right there with them todo that.
And so you know.
That brings me—let's just goback into the Scripture, because
this is all happening around520 BC.
Okay, now the temple wasfinished in 516 BC, so it's not
like a one-month project.
I mean, it was several years ofproject.
Then we fast forward about 60years Now we have the temple
(16:01):
done, but the city is still inruins.
Okay, the walls are stillbroken down, this massive wall
around the city.
So Ezra the priest comes,nehemiah comes back to Jerusalem
in around 445 BC.
So think about this the templeand the whole wall of the city
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was destroyed in 586 BC.
We're talking like almost 150years that the walls of the city
were in shambles.
We're talking about from 586 to520 that the temple was in
(16:43):
shambles.
So you're talking 60, 70 yearsthat the temple was just in
shambles.
And sometimes it's hard, likeyou just said, for people to see
beyond the rubble, to seewhat's possible, and so it's so
important to do baby steps.
You're getting that bigwarehouse.
(17:04):
You're renting a25,000-square-foot warehouse for
your business because you wantto move and you walk in and you
see this warehouse hasn't beenoccupied in decades, maybe
whatever, and it's like youcan't clean it up in a day and
you might not be able to do itby yourself, and so you've got
to evaluate it and you get inthere.
(17:26):
And what we see in Nehemiah,which we talked about many, many
weeks ago, was Nehemiah justdidn't sit back and encourage
the people.
He was actually there helpingthem build the wall.
So encouragement for somepeople means you're right there
with them, doing the hard workwith them.
You're not just standing off inyour office encouraging them to
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do the work.
You're actually sweating,rolling up your sleeves and
doing the work too, and thatspeaks volumes to people that
you are encouraging.
You know that you work with,that.
You're willing to do the hardwork too.
You're not just the boss,you're not just shouting out
instructions, you're actuallydoing that.
So here we have Haggai andZechariah.
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They're in 520.
Then Malachi comes in, almost ahundred years later.
Okay Now.
So we have the temple's done.
The walls of the city are stillin ruins.
You have Ezra coming in.
He's the priest.
Nehemiah is the new governor.
The story of Nehemiah is aphenomenal story, and they
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rebuild the wall.
But he was not just there torebuild the wall.
He was encouraging people toget back to their faith and you
know, reform their religion, getback to God, those kind of
things.
And so he returned to Persia inaround 433 BC, and that's the
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time that Malachi was there.
And Malachi sees the peoplehave turned away from God.
So their temple's there, thecity is being rebuilt, the walls
are rebuilt, but the faith ofthe people has turned away from
God, and that's what started.
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The whole problem with theJewish people centuries before
was their unfaithfulness to God,their unfaithfulness to their
mission and to their firstpriority.
And so part of the leader's jobis to keep people focused on the
mission, the vision what is ouroutcome objective of our
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organization?
Mission, the vision what is ouroutcome objective of our
organization?
So it's not just encouragingpeople to do the daily task,
it's to help them say, okay,what's the bigger purpose of our
organization?
We're not just here punching aclock, you know.
We're not just here makingwidgets.
What is our purpose?
And so I think for you as abuilder you're you know you want
these people to just see theirhouse as a completed project.
(20:03):
You know, because it can bediscouraging over time,
especially if you're building abig house and it takes a year or
so to build it.
They just get discouraged andyou just got to keep encouraging
them.
Now it's coming along it's doinggood and come out and see what
we're doing and you knowwhatever.
So can you just?
I know you've dealt with that alot yeah, yeah, and that's the
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way it is.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I mean, you're, you're always going to have that
people and, and that's why Isaid the difference between,
like a custom builder comparedto a production builder that
never has to deal with anyclients, compared to a
subcontractor, that's in and outin two, three, four days, maybe
a week.
You know I have to spendanywhere from a year, from six
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months, to a year and a half,maybe two years, on some of
these really huge compounds.
And you know it's a process andyou know one of the biggest
things is communication and iflong as you're communicating,
you're talking about the process.
But still, no matter how goodof a communicator and how good
at this, there's always going tobe things that are going to
come up and you're going to haveto work through them.
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And it's like a roller coaster.
And I was thinking about this.
If you come into a temple,that's just been there, it's a
norm.
It's been there for 150-plusyears, right, you're just
looking at this rubble.
I mean, that would be anoverwhelming task to come in to
go find.
And I look at some of thesehouses.
You know they post these likethis vacant house.
(21:28):
You know you've ever seen those?
things those vacant things thatthey just disappeared in the
landscape and they've beenvacant for, you know, hundreds
of years.
But I mean there are hugemansions out in there, russia,
and all these places.
I'm like how did I?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
get one of those, you know, because they're just
sitting there.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
But I mean just to think about how to go through
and take one of those houses andredo to live in it.
Or you know these people thattake these old missile silos and
they convert them into housesbelow ground.
It's just.
That is a huge undertaking andyou know, and to do it, it's one
of those things that you haveto have a lot of faith and I, in
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my little show prep, I thinkthis really prioritized how
these chapters tied together,because you mentioned you want
to tie these chapters togetherand, you know, put the little
exclamation on that, and Haggaiis prioritizing God's mission,
zechariah is leading with visionand encouragement, and then
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Malachi is confrontingcompromise and calling for
integrity, and I think that'syou know what's the mission, the
vision and what's the.
You know how to encourage thosepeople and then you know how do
you get the compromise and makesure they're doing a good job.
I think that's business ingeneral.
When I started looking at theseand some of the leadership
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lessons that come out of these,they tie in really nice together
.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
They really do.
And so the you know I think theyou know that these three
prophets, they challenged thepeople, they motivated the
people, they encouraged thepeople to do something that was
really, really difficult, butlooking back on it, they knew
when they were finished, youknow, when that last whatever
(23:15):
was put in place that theythought, wow, it was worth every
bit of our effort.
And that's what you want to doas a leader you want to look
back and say, wow, that was notjust you, but your people.
You wanted them to look backand say, wow, that was hard, but
we did it and we did ittogether and we're really proud
(23:37):
of the work that we did.
Now, what we don't knowobviously, these books are short
, like Haggai is only twochapters long and Malachi is
four chapters, zechariah is 14chapters.
We can look at the themes.
We obviously don't know all thewords that they said, and so to
(23:58):
me, that is a challenge for usto say okay, I know I'm supposed
to encourage and I just saidthis a few minutes ago Different
people encourage different ways, and so you need to find out
how to encourage your people,because for some, they're just
motivated because you boughtthem coffee this morning.
They're excited Other people.
(24:19):
They need you to sit down andlisten because they might be
going through a difficult timein their personal life or
whatever.
Or you know it's time forgraduations now.
You have college graduationsand high school graduations and
they might just be thinkingabout that, that's on their mind
, or whatever, and you just haveto sit down and go.
(24:41):
Yeah, I understand that.
That's so exciting.
Do you need a day off?
Because to be with your son ordaughter who's graduating?
Why don't you take a day off?
We'll see you on Monday andenjoy the weekend with your
family.
Come back and let's get afterit.
For some people, that's whatit's going to take to have them
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realize that you really careabout them.
You don't just care about theproject, you don't just care
about the process, you careabout each individual person,
and that, to me, is such animportant part of leadership is
that it's caring, not justaccomplishment.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Okay, Right, so yeah, yeah, well, you know, this is a
.
I like the way we we put thesetogether.
I think it's a good.
It's a good order.
I think it's a good read.
I think it's a short read ifone of people want to go back
and look at some of these andand I think that you know these,
these there's a lot of versesand leadership lessons in there,
that sort of the backbone ofyou know some of the leadership
(25:42):
principles that we talk aboutall the time.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yes, that is so true, that is awesome.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Let's see we.
You know we're pushing on there.
I mean we could cut like twominutes early and give you some
more dad joke time.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, we could.
Okay, here's one.
Here's one, let's just.
Let's just transition.
Here's one, let's justtransition.
I saw him jonesing over thereSalivating Okay, why was the ice
cream cone so bad at tennis?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Oh, don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Because he always had soft serve.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Oh my, gosh, I can't, I can't.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Oh come on, I can't.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Sometimes they hit me good, Sometimes like hmm.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
You know, I have a pen right here.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yes, I see that.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
That can write underwater.
Oh, I think I've heard this one, but it can also write other
words too.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I was like what is that one?
Speaker 2 (26:44):
What is that one?
You've heard that one before.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, I was trying to remember it right, okay, okay.
Let's see, do I have any goodones there?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Okay, what do you call a loaf of bread that has 52
slices?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Loaf of bread that has 52 slices.
Yeah, yearly something.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
A deck of carbs All right.
I went down weeks, you wentdown carbs.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
All right, that's fine.
Yeah, let's see.
When is a door not a door?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Oh yes.
I'm thinking the old schoolones right, yes, okay, when is a
door not a door?
I don't know when it's open.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
You get it when it's in your vehicle, no when it's a
jar.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
When it's a jar, door is open, right?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Oh yes, what is the oldest tree?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
oldest tree.
It's actually a brittle stonepine.
But we, what is the we're all?
answer the elder, the elder,uh-huh okay, so if you actually
go I can't remember the name ofthe national park it's in utah,
bristol, comb pine, some thosetrees.
You have to walk up this littlehill.
This is a true story and I'mthinking it's in Canyonlands,
(28:06):
maybe National Park, one ofthose up in that area.
Some of those trees literallyare 4,000 years old and you can
go up there and they have thesesigns on the trees or right next
to the trees to say this treestarted growing when David was
king of Israel or when.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Julius Caesar lived.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, it is absolutely phenomenal.
And these trees are up on thishill and the wind's blowing all
the time, so they have all theseamazing shapes and they're so
slow growing.
But if you look up thebristlecone pine, they have all
these weird amazing shapes likeartwork.
(28:47):
You know you see them in apainting or something, but
they're actually up there onthis mountain and you just walk
and there's just a whole bunchof them just in that one spot
and it is definitely worth ifyou're out in that area I think
it is Canyonlands National Parkthat you can go up there and see
that.
So those are probably the eldertrees you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Yeah, probably.
Have you ever traveled?
Have you ever been to the RedSea?
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yes, I was.
Years ago, I was there.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Do you know, if you threw a white stone in a Red Sea
, what it would become?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
A splash.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Wet, close to wet.
You know, I was at the pawnshop.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I was at the pawn shop, that's better.
Okay, that's better.
Okay, I went into the pawn shopthe other day because I wanted
to get a really good used guitar.
Okay, I already have twoguitars but I want another one.
(29:55):
And this one guy came out andhe said here it is.
And I said wait a minute,there's no strings attached to
that one.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Oh, let's see, I'll give it to you oh that's a bad
one.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
That's a bad one.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yeah, we need to have some groaners.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
They can't always be that good.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
They can't always be good.
All right, I guess.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
You got one more, you got, you get one more, and I'll
get one more.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
All right.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Okay, here's my last one for the day.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Are we finishing?
Speaker 2 (30:29):
up.
The Old Testament Got to have agood one.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, this is the Old Testament.
We're finishing up the OldTestament.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
An Old Testament dad joke.
Oh there are so many of them,okay, okay, I wanted to start a
professional hide-and-seek team,but good players are hard to
find.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yeah, that was good.
Right, I'll just look at it.
I was just looking at some ofthose.
Why didn't they play cards onthe arc?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Because they already had a pair.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Because Noah was always standing on the deck.
Oh, I know that's what he wantsto do.
Why was the Pharaoh so stubborn?
We'll go on this one.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Okay, why.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Because he had denial issues.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Oh yeah, let's stop on this one.
Okay, why?
Because he had denial issues.
Oh that, yeah, let's stop onthat one, please.
Oh, that's what we get.
That is definitely a groaner.
All right, guys, check us out.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Biblical leadership show.
Yeah, I'm sorry, we're back inthe studio be like dang, I
thought these guys were packingit up, please, no, we still got
the rest of the year on the NewTestament, which we're going to
start next week.
Right Next week, we're startingthe book of Matthew.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Matthew Now here's the thing about Matthew.
Just give our listeners alittle heads up.
Some of the books like Matthew,luke, john Acts some of those
books like Matthew 28 chaptersit might be challenging for us,
as we do show prep, to do all ofthe book in one lesson, I mean
(32:15):
in one podcast.
So for some of them we're goingto break them up into two just
because there's so much goodmaterial.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yeah, we don't want to just brush over them just
because we're on a time schedule.
We don't have a time schedule.
We're just trying to make surewe go as thorough as we can and
make sure that all fits in thebox on this, because there's so
many leadership lessons to learnout of these.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
There are so many, and we're trying not to repeat
the same lesson.
We're looking at differentaspects of it, and so I hope
that you join us next week as webegin the New Testament.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yeah, but other than that, check us out
biblicalleadershipshowcom.
Let us know if there's anythingwe can say a prayer about,
anything that we can do, anykind of subject you want us to
throw in there, or if you havesome leadership lessons coming
up in the New Testament thatit's strong to you.
I, you have some leadershiplessons coming up in the new
(33:08):
testament.
That it's it's strong to you.
I know we've heard from a lotof you.
I know we got people all overthe country that are listening.
So, uh, just let us know whatresonates with you, and and we
would love to uh give you ashout out, but other than that
well, tell someone else aboutthe podcast if you're enjoying
it.
We really appreciate that yeah,dr p takes out with you.
Hey, make it a great day.
Appreciate it.
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