July 1, 2025 • 36 mins
What separates exceptional leaders from average ones? The answer lies in proactivity—taking initiative without being prompted. As we explore Jesus's final days in Matthew's Gospel, we discover a masterclass in leadership that remains profoundly relevant today.
Jesus demonstrated remarkable proactivity throughout Holy Week. From arranging his entrance into Jerusalem to preparing his disciples for his departure, he consistently acted with purpose and foresight. When he found the temple courtyard transformed into a marketplace, he drew clear boundaries by overturning tables and driving out merchants. This powerful moment teaches leaders the importance of maintaining organizational focus and realigning with core values when mission drift occurs.
The Last Supper and Garden of Gethsemane reveal another crucial leadership principle: the value of reflection and preparation. Before facing his greatest trial, Jesus took time to pray alone. In our action-oriented business culture, we often sacrifice thoughtful contemplation for immediate activity, yet Jesus shows us that dedicated time for strategic thinking is essential for sound leadership.
Perhaps most significant is Jesus's approach to empowerment. Rather than micromanaging out of insecurity, he prepared his disciples to continue without his physical presence. "True leaders don't just lead followers, they develop other leaders." This philosophy contradicts the fear many leaders have—that empowering others diminishes their own value. In reality, empowerment multiplies an organization's effectiveness.
The Great Commission provides a template for crafting mission statements that inspire action for generations. Ask yourself: Does your leadership style, communication, and example motivate your team to advance your organization's goals? Are you developing the next generation of leaders who will carry the mission forward?
Join us as we unpack these timeless leadership principles that can transform your effectiveness in any context—whether leading a corporation, small business, or community organization. Connect with us at BiblicalLeadershipShow.com to share your leadership journey or request prayer support.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
all righty welcome, yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on,
come on, alrighty welcome, comeon, welcome, welcome, welcome.
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There we go, welcome, welcome,welcome.
I mean, we've been doing thatfor a long time here.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Gosh, two years now, almost it's crazy, isn't it it?
Is absolutely no.
Let's see, we started, yeah,almost over two years.
That's fantastic.
No it.
It is absolutely no.
Let's see, we started, yeah,almost over two years that's
fantastic.
Two years has it been two years?
I guess, we started in 20.
Yeah, it's been close to twoyears now.
I wonder what episode this iswe should look.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
I forgot it was.
It's uh, yeah, 70 somethingreally, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
so a year and a half Wow, that's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Well, wonderful, well , hello everyone.
My name is Tim Lansford.
You're listening to theBiblical Leadership Show and
with me, is Dr Dean Posey.
Yes, and then we have a specialguest, because it is summer and
we have a special co-host thatjoins us every once in a while.
And what's your name, madam?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Elisa.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Elisa.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Elisa, nice to see you in the studio.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Good to be here in the studio right, right here.
So she's running around metoday.
She wanted to come do somepodcasting.
Well, really, that wasn't eventhe thought.
She didn't know I was going todo podcasting.
She just wanted to run aroundme and then, as a bonus, that
she found out that we were doingpodcasting.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
It is with our kids growing and out of the house.
It's just you know, kids growup so fast.
You got to cherish thosemoments when the kids actually
want to be with you.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Right, you know that's really awesome.
Yeah, you know that's reallyawesome.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
So it makes me think about the way we raised our kids
.
You know, our son likedelevators.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Our daughter liked escalators.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
They were just raised differently.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Oh boy, I guess I need to work on getting my
buttons accessible here with allmy computers in front of it.
So I didn't know we werestarting so soon.
No, I think it's great it was.
I think we were going down apath there, but nope.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
So we're in Texas, we're in the Arlington Texas
area, right, and so I justwanted it's middle of the summer
and so I just want to know itgets hot.
You know it's really hot here,right, but has anyone checked on
Oklahoma?
I?
Speaker 1 (02:53):
just want to be sure everything is okay.
Too bad, that's aTexas-Oklahoma joke.
Did you have a question, madam?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yes, I did.
It actually is really hot inOklahoma, but yesterday they did
an air show there and it was socool.
It was on the news.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Really.
It's really cool oh wow, thatwas very cool.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
And then my mom told me a story about how she got to
go in the back of one of thoseplanes when they jumped off an
air shoot Right, that would befun.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
That was.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, that would be fun.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
All right, you right, that would be fun.
That was, yeah, that would befun, all right.
Well, you, I, I, you gottaunderstand here in the studio,
guys, dr posey has like thisthis I have a control center of
computers and and, uh, lots oflevers and all that stuff and
you have all the colored buttons.
I have all the colored buttons,but Dr Posey has this array of
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dad joke boxes, calendarsprinted sheets and he is
sporting that side of the table.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I just have a cup of boba.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
You just got a cup of boba and she's eating some boba
.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Well, you know, I just wanted to.
Let's just start this off rightnow.
Today we're going to be talkingabout the last part of the book
of Matthew, starting withchapter 21, which is the
beginning of Holy Week, thetriumphal entry as we call it,
or Palm Sunday as it's referredto historically.
But let's just talk about thatin relationship to preparation
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for a podcast like this.
You know you can't just walk inand do it.
You've got to be proactive.
Jesus was so proactive abouteverything, Even when he was
praying he was proactive aboutthat.
I think that's one of the signsof a good leader is that they
are proactive 100%.
And they're ready, they'reproactive, they think about
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things.
Sometimes, when we're proactive, we might, you know, make a
wrong choice.
Jesus never made a wrong choice.
We make wrong choices sometimes, but it's like the question for
those of you who are, you know,out and are listening on, is
how proactive are you when itcomes to leading?
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Let's just say you're theleader of your softball team,
you know softball season, youknow, do you kind of wait until
you get on the field for thegame in order to do the lineup,
or are you ready?
Do you sit down and think aboutthe lineup before you even get
to the field?
I mean, think about the nightbefore or maybe a couple of days
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before.
And I think just being proactiveis such a fundamental essence
characteristic of leaders.
And so we see that, with Jesushere, he had completed his
mission on earth.
It was the last week of hislife.
He was going to get on a donkeyand ride into the city of
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Jerusalem, which was veryprophetic.
People were waiting for theMessiah.
From the Old Testament we seethat the Messiah was going to
ride in on a donkey, and so hedid that very proactive about
who he was going to be, what hewas doing what he was going to
be doing the rest of the week.
And so just think about that.
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In your life as a leader, howproactive are you?
Or are you just kind of waitingwith your to-do list and going?
I don't want to.
I just don't want to do that,and I do think even that one
characteristic separates a goodleader from an average leader is
how proactive are you, not onjust one thing, but how
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proactive are you on many things?
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Right.
So yeah, All right.
Did you have a story aboutbeing proactive?
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I actually had a question what does proactive
mean?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Oh, that's a great question.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
You're asking that to your dad or you're asking it to
me?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Let's go Dr Posey.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, okay.
So let's just say you get readyfor school.
Let's just say what time doesschool start when you go to
school?
What time do you have to leaveto go to school in the morning?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I would say around 7.40.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
7.40, okay.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
But we're going to have to go way earlier because
you actually have to be in classnow by 8.
You have to be in class by 8.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
You have to be in class by 8.
And so you leave your house at7.40, maybe 7.30?
.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Okay.
So let me just tell you, when Iwas a little older than you
okay, I grew up in Albuquerque,new Mexico the junior high that
I went to was literally rightbehind our back fence.
So I just jumped over the backfence, walked across the field.
I could be at the school infive minutes.
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Okay, just walking the school.
The bell rang at about 8, maybe8.15.
I don't exactly remember.
My mom would try to get me up,starting about 7.
I finally got up about quarterto 8 and jump in the clothes,
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eat a quick breakfast and justjump out of the you know over
the back fence and get to class.
That is not being proactive.
Being proactive is saying youknow what?
I have a responsibility to beat a certain place at a certain
time and I would like to beearly things actively so that
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when I actually get to school Iam ready.
Oh, I forgot my backpack.
It's because I didn't pack itthe night before.
Oh, I didn't pack my lunch,it's because I didn't get up
early enough to do that.
So being proactive means youtake the initiative to do things
that you know you need to havehappen, but you do them without
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being told Okay, so you justtake the activity yourself.
You take the initiative to dothe things that you know need to
happen, but you do that becauseyou want to do it.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, but I am not proactive.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
You're not proactive.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
No, I just sit and watch TV.
My parents do all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Oh, they do all that stuff yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Well, that is not true.
Actually.
I mean, you were proactive.
You got yourself dressed thismorning.
Right Said do you want me toput out clothes for you?
We set out clothes for Luke forhis basketball practice today.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
That's not duh.
He doesn't have to dresshimself.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
He does and he could have.
But we said we could get itbecause we had bought some new
stuff for him.
But you proactively got up, yougot dressed, you were ready to
go for the time and all thatstuff.
Nobody had to tell you that.
So you do do things proactive.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I mean, it took me an hour to get out of bed, but
sure.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Well, hour to get out of bed, but sure, yeah, well,
let's just say this right hereI've had a list like this for
maybe 15, 20 years, and guesswhat it's called?
It's called the Dean's List,okay.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Which is so awesome.
Which is so awesome.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Okay, and so these are the things that I need to do
this week and probably by theend of the week this will be
filled.
The question is I know I needto do these things, like I need
to call this person, I need tocall this person about this.
Am I just going to sit thereand not do it, or am I going to
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be proactive, initiate?
Oh, I need to call this personbecause we said we were going to
have lunch, so I'm going totake the initiative to call them
and set up a time to do thattogether.
So that's being proactive.
Jesus was very proactive withhis teaching, with his
discipling, with his ministry,and so we see that, specifically
at the last week of his life,when he was saying hey, you know
, my time on earth is done.
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I'm going to be proactive, I'mgoing to get on the donkey ride
in to Jerusalem, knowing what'scoming, but I'm still going to
do it anyway.
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
So what do you have?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
So I was proactive, because me and my best friend,
ava I'm not going to say herlast name for privacy reasons,
but see, me and her we have.
I think mom's going to let usdo it, but me and her have a
sleepover planned for tomorrow.
We already have the time set up, everything's set up Everything
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, and my mom's like I don't know, but I really think she's going
to let it because we've alreadyplanned out all the times I can
let her know hey, you need togo home at 9 am instead of this
11.
We planned, but that's okay,and so I really think mom's
going to let us do it tomorrow.
I'm so excited and I wasproactive when I planned that,
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because we were all on the phonefor an hour.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Well, that's excellent.
That would be proactive.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
That's being proactive, and I think one of
the best characteristics of anyperson of any age is being
proactive.
Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah, instead of being reactive, you age is being
proactive.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, yeah, 100% yeah .
Instead of being reactive, youknow being proactive.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
And so you know it's a difference between a person
that still has multiplecompanies and somebody that's
retired.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah, they both.
One of them has more money.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Well, yes, that's what my Dean's list looks like.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yeah, it's what my Dean's List looks like yeah,
it's about like that.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah, dean's List is one page.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
That's it?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
What is it?
Mine's 76 things right.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
It's my Dean's List.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I think last time I checked I had 76 things on my
to-do list, and I know you'renot supposed to make to-do lists
.
It depends on what schoolyou're from.
I'm old school from.
I'm old school.
I write it down just because Idon't want to.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
I was writing it down in private school.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Well, you know, someone told me a long time ago
I wish I had learned thisearlier in life.
But a pen and paper are betterthan any memory, and when I
first started out in ministry Ithought I could remember
everything you know.
And then I'd like oops, Iforgot to do that, and so I
started writing things down,making a list, you know, doing
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the Stephen Covey thing with theABCs.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
ABCs one, two, three.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
It made such a difference 100%, because then I
could and I normally did that onSunday night so I would be
ready for the next week.
And once I started doing that Ithought, wow, it's so simple,
but it's so good to be organizedand you can prioritize.
And then you can think, oh,these are the A things I got to
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get done tomorrow, or these arethe B things that I can put off
till maybe Wednesday or Thursday, and these C things if they
happen, great.
If they don't happen, great.
But so many people they makemaybe a list of ABCs and then
they do the C list, you know,and they always do the fillers
and they never get to thepriority stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
And that's being proactive.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, yeah, and it's part of it.
All right, so let's get back toour stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Jesus rides into Jerusalem on a donkey.
That fulfills Zechariah 9-9.
Yes, but then there's a littlething we talked about a little
bit because Elisa brought it up,you know, as far as he cleanses
the temple and overturns tables, and so what's sort of the
thought process there, anddidn't you bring that up to us?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Yes, I did.
I thought about it because,since I go to a private school,
that's Christian we actually didan assignment on it and we had
to write.
We had to do this thing wherewe had to make a picture, do
something on it, and it wasreally fun.
But I drew a picture and I knewhe overgrown tables because
there were verses that went withit, and so I looked at all the
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verses and it told everythingabout that it told every day of
what I should draw.
So I drew it, and I actuallyknow that.
The one who betrayed jesus Iforgot his name.
Do y'all know judas?
Yes, judas, he actually tradedgold coins for jesus's info.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yes, he did.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
And those would be worth a lot now, but we think he
used them up because bro wasgreedy for that.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
So he overturned the tables.
And why did he do that?
Did you understand why he?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
was so filled with rage because he was really mad
about them, turning it into afarmer's market sort of thing he
decided I am so mad, he waspure, but he still was human.
So he built up rage over timeand his rage turned into an
overwhelming sensation ofmadness.
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So he flipped tables filledwith these items and he was so
mad that he was going to killhim.
And he was going to kill himand he was going that they were
selling so they would scramble,run, get away, go go, go.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And where did they do all this?
Where was the marketplace in?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
It was in this temple , kind of I think it used to be
like a church or a worship placeand they've turned it into this
market so he was slipping overtables and everything, but it
was out of like this temple ofpraise, I think.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, so there was a temple there in Jerusalem and
around the temple there was acourtyard, okay, and so in the
courtyard area was where peopleset up to exchange money to sell
animals for sacrifice, andthere was nothing wrong with the
exchange, or there's nothingwrong with doing the selling of
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the animals.
But the problem was it shouldhave been outside the temple
area and they had made thetemple area which was supposed
to be a holy place of prayer andgathering of the people.
They had turned that into, likeyou said, a marketplace.
And Jesus said no, this is myFather's house, this should be a
house of prayer.
Jesus said, no, this is myFather's house, this should be a
house of prayer.
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And you've turned it into amarketplace.
So he said I can't take thisanymore.
I'm going to stand up, I'mgoing to draw the line and we're
not going to do this anymore.
And I think what a greatleadership principle in that is
that sometimes, as leaders, wehave to look at our organization
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and realize where have westepped over the line?
You know we're going to drawthe line and say you know what,
we're not going to do thisanymore.
Whatever that is, you know agood leader will evaluate that.
Now, sometimes you have to getsome input from your you know
your managers or your other,your colleagues or whatever, and
say you know what?
I don't think we need to eitherhave this product anymore.
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We don't need to be about that.
Maybe we need to downsize thisarea right here so we can focus
on this.
And that's what Jesus wassaying.
Hey, we're here to focus on God.
You know, if you want to sell,go sell over there.
But in this area, right here,this is dedicated to God.
And so he drew the line and Ithink what a great leadership
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principle that we say.
You know, sometimes we have tojust set boundaries to say we're
going to be focused on this andwe're not going to be focused
on stuff outside the boundaries.
And sometimes that's reallyhard, especially if you've been
doing that for a long, long timeand an organization's kind of
been, you know, just kind ofgotten by.
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And you know, sometimes youhave to let people go.
Sometimes, you have to let aproduct line go.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
It's a hard time to redirect and figure out where
the hiccups are and all thatstuff.
And it's one of those things topiece it together and to look,
and sometimes you have to audit,do a yearly audit or every five
years or whatever it might be.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yes, exactly, and look at it.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Sometimes actually sometimes it can be a product or
even a person.
If there's a negative person inthe zone and it's bringing
everybody down, they're being aprocrastinator, putting off
their work at the last minute,laying it on somebody else.
Sometimes you'll have to say no, you're not, you're fired.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, and, and you know, people can be very busy
but that doesn't mean they'reproductive.
And so you've got to look atproductivity, not just busyness,
and say you know what?
We're going to give you a90-day growth plan.
I expect this to happen, thesethings to be happening in the
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next 90 days, or if they don'thappen, then I'm going to let
you go.
I mean, you've got to draw aline at some point.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
You have to have accountability.
Yeah, that's a good word.
You have to have that.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, and I think that's what Jesus was saying hey
, we're going to start holdingpeople accountable to what
they're doing in the sight ofGod.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
And so that happened.
There's other things thathappened, a lot of parables
during that week.
You know Monday, tuesday,wednesday there is some stories.
He has some confrontation withsome of the religious leaders,
and then we get to the Thursdaywhere it is the Last Supper and
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Jesus gathers his disciplestogether.
We read what you just said,elisa, that Judas betrayed Jesus
for 30 pieces of silver andbecause Judas had an idea that
he wanted Jesus to be a leaderof the people to revolt against
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Rome and Jesus was not that kindof leader—Jesus had this Last
Supper with his disciples andHoly Communion, or the Eucharist
or the Mass, is based on thatevening's meal with the
disciples, and so part of mydoctorate dissertation was based
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on that particular evening andthe study of Holy Communion
throughout the centuries, likewhat happened at the Last Supper
and how does that ritual changeover time to different
denominations.
And so that was a fascinatingstudy but very powerful event
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there that Jesus was telling hisdisciples hey, this is my last
night with you.
You know you're going to fallaway, but we're sending the
comforter to you.
And so if you actually begin toread from John 13, I know we're
in Matthew, but if you readthat through chapter 17, it's
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called the Great Priestly Prayertalks about all of that.
In the book of Matthew we readabout the Last Supper.
So they have this supper.
They go out to the Garden ofGethsemane and Jesus prays and
I'm thinking he says, hey, youwait here, I'm going to go pray.
And so it's like what a greatexample for leaders.
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Sometimes you just have to havesome alone time.
You just have to have time tothink, process, pray, just think
what am I?
Is this really what I need tobe doing?
You need to evaluate, I'm surein the housing business, what
you're in for decades.
You're thinking you know what.
We need to sit down and reallyprocess this architectural plan.
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We need to think about ourbudget.
We need to do it.
You can't just run ahead andmove forward.
We got to sit down and reallyprocess it.
So, yeah, so that was a veryimportant evening in the life of
the Christian faith, with theLast Supper and the prayer in
the garden and the betrayal andJesus being arrested and all
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that yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
That's awesome.
So, yeah, it's.
You know, from a leadershipstandpoint, there's just ties
back to you and the leader andhow you set everything up.
You know, that's one thing.
Jesus sort of had some thoughts, and you know where I'm trying
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to go, is you know?
I just had this big leadershipclass I taught last week.
Where I'm trying to go, is youknow?
I just had this big leadershipclass I taught last week and I
talked to him.
I taught him the differencebetween training somebody,
coaching somebody and empoweringsomebody.
You know, empowering is whenyou just let them do it.
I mean, that's what Jesus,basically empowering him, said
you don't need me to do this.
You know, and you know, whenyou're starting out and you have
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somebody that has the potential, then yeah, you simply can put
them in training or a coachingprogram to get them up to the
point where that's what everyleader strives for.
If you're good as a leader andyou can handle that, but you
want to try to empower yourpeople and that's one of the
biggest things.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
So, going back, tying that into what we said earlier
in the podcast being proactiveand empowering others Wow, what
a great combination ofleadership principles that
really elevates a leader to notjust a good leader, but a better
leader, but a better leader.
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And in order to empower others,which Jesus did, you have to
realize that in order to makethe company better, or whatever
you're leading better, youreally need to have the people
around you be the best they canbe.
You can't always rely upon you.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I don't want to.
You can't make every decision.
I want my people to make all thedecisions and they always
double check.
I don't tell them to doublecheck.
They sometimes want to.
And one of the things I taughtin the same class is if somebody
calls me and says Richard callsme and says, hey, we got a
problem out here at this, youknow, smith job, I'm like all
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right.
Well, what's the problem?
And I think I might've evenmentioned on here before I don't
tell them the answer to theproblem.
I go how would you solve thisif it was me?
And they're like I don't know.
I'm like well, think about itand call me back.
Well, they'll think about it,call me back, and then they'll
tell me their answer and I'll belike that's exactly how I would
solve it.
And it's as simple as that.
And what you're doing istraining them to go.
I can make the decisions.
I'm thinking like Tim.
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I'm thinking now I know how todo this and if you can get to
that point, that is just a majordeal that you want to do
empower them.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, and not only are you empowering them, you're
affirming them.
You are saying hey, I believein you, I believe in your wisdom
, I believe that you can makewise decisions for the benefit
of the customer and the company,and I trust you.
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I mean, there's so many goodthings when you are empowering
others to do the work, andthat's just a great leadership
principle.
Some leaders, unfortunately,are so insecure that it's
difficult for them to empowerothers, because they think they
might.
Someone might take their job oryou know, whatever it's like.
No, just the opposite is true.
You empower others, yourcompany's going to thrive even
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more, and so I just encouragethat.
So I know we're, you know,getting to the end.
So let's just finish the end ofMatthew.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
We're going to make it through Matthew.
I think we're going to make itthrough Matthew.
Yes, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
So, for all the terms of Jesus's resurrection, do you
guys believe that peopleactually have past lives and
they've been reborn?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
actually have past lives and they've been reborn.
Well, that would be calledreincarnation, okay, and so
Christianity.
We don't believe that someonedies and then comes back as
another being okay.
That's reincarnation, that'snot resurrection, okay.
So I'll get to resurrection injust a minute, because we were
talking about the crucifixion.
So Jesus was arrested, he wasbeaten and mocked and all that
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kind of stuff, which was tragic.
He was put on a cross.
It was the most cruel form ofpunishment in the Roman world
was crucifixion, and Jesus grewup seeing that.
And there were two other peoplecrucified with him at the same
time, one on his right, one onhis left.
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And so then we see that he hungon the cross for several hours
before he died.
Joseph of Arimathea askedPilate for the body, took the
body off the cross, wrapped itin linen where we get the Shroud
of Turin from and then he waslaid in a tomb and Jesus said,
(27:16):
hey, I'm going to raise in threedays.
Now they heard it, but theydidn't really get it.
And what we see here is that thewomen that were followers of
Jesus went to the tomb first,and so normally we think of when
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we read the Bible.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
A lot of the ladies out there are going well, of
course we did.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, of course, about the person that you might
think is least in yourorganization.
They probably have morepotential than you realize.
Okay, and so these women tookit on themselves.
They were proactive.
They were buying spices.
They went to the tomb early.
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The stone had been rolled away.
They went in, didn't see thebody and they saw some angels.
The angels told them hey, he'snot here.
And then they were really thefirst evangelists.
And then they were really thefirst evangelists.
And so, thinking about theleaders, your company, your
organization, whatever, you'vegot to realize that every person
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has potential to make an impact, and sometimes we only think of
the people that maybe we'reclosest to.
We might not realize that wecan make an impact, literally.
This morning, before I came tothe studio, I was at the gym
working out.
They had a great swim.
I'm getting ready to get in thepool.
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There's this guy walks into thegym.
I've known this guy forprobably 20 years because he was
a member of the church where Iused to pastor, and so we talked
a little bit and he was sayingjust sharing I won't share his
name, but he was just sharingthat there was a friend of his
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like a neighbor friend who wasnot doing well.
He got to know this person andthat person started coming to
church and was baptized lastSunday.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Nice, yes, that's awesome, yeah, it was so awesome
to hear him church and wasbaptized last Sunday, nice.
Yes, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, it was so awesome to hear him and he was
so excited and, believe it ornot, this guy is like 80 years
old, but he was so excited andit's like, wow, what potential.
And sometimes we look at peopleand because of their age or
their physical shape or whatever, we discount them.
And how wrong are we to do that?
(29:51):
Because every person haspotential for something.
And so we see that in the women, and they took the initiative
to go to the tomb.
They didn't see the body.
They ran back, told thedisciples.
The disciples didn't believethem.
But even though the disciplesdidn't believe, it didn't change
the woman's conviction of whatthey had seen.
And so let's get toresurrection.
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Resurrection means that when wephysically die, that our soul,
spirit, is up in heaven withJesus.
Okay, our body is not Ourbody's in the ground, but we are
alive for all eternity becauseof our belief in Christ.
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And so reincarnation would meanthat we would die and we'd come
back as another person or ananimal.
And some religions believe that.
Christianity doesn't.
They believe in resurrection sothat we live forever with God
in heaven.
And so we see that in the bookof Matthew, and at the very end
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of the book of Matthew we readwhat's called the Great
Commission.
And so Jesus said hey, go intoall the nations, baptizing them
in the name of the Father, sonand Holy Spirit and teaching
them to obey everything I havecommanded you.
I will be with you to the endof the age.
And those few words havetranscended through time as
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what's called the GreatCommission and has been a
stimulus for so many people toevangelize, to go around the
world for literally 2,000 years,to share faith, to promote
Christianity.
And so let's just think aboutleadership principles.
What is your mission statement?
Doing that Is your missionstatement motivating people.
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Is your lifestyle motivatingpeople?
Are your habits, whatever theyare?
Are they motivating people topromote the company, to build a
company, or are they just kindof being lackadaisical?
Jesus gave a powerful messagethere at the end.
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That's still motivating people2,000 years later.
And so I'm thinking wow, as aleader, what am I doing to
motivate my people?
Is it me?
Is it my encouragement?
Is it my tone of voice?
What am I doing to do that?
And so everybody's got to beopen to a self-evaluation to
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figure out what am I doing tomotivate my team?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I think one of the my favorite thing is true leaders
don't just lead followers, theydevelop other leaders, and
that's one of the biggest thingsthat we believe.
I think that Jesus did and he'sdeveloping other leaders.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, and so it's like am I just training somebody
or am I training them to trainthe next generation?
And that is really a greatquestion.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Did you have any last comments real fast before Dr
Posey?
Speaker 2 (32:55):
gets into some dad jokes.
Yeah, I've got some really gooddad jokes.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
I'm going to do some after you too.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
You are.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
So basically, I actually think that if you love
an animal, sometimes you canlike look through the animal's
eyes.
Sometimes I think that you canactually do that.
If you're, like, deceased andyou want to watch a family
member, maybe you could lookthrough somebody's like a bird
or somebody's eyes, becausesometimes a cardinal will fly by
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and eat some food from ourfeeder and me and my brother and
my dad will say oh look,there's Grandma Popcorn.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Right, she loved cardinals, didn't she Big
cardinals?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Well, yeah, something like that can remind us of a
person that we love.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
So okay, here's a dad joke.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah, we need to transition dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Okay, so what has more letters than the alphabet?
I don't know.
The post office.
I'm going to read one now.
You're going to read one now.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
What did the nose say to the finger?
Speaker 2 (33:59):
What did the nose say ?
Speaker 3 (34:02):
to the finger.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
I don't know, I don't nose if I know know nope, it's
quit picking on me oh okay, ohmy goodness, uh, okay.
So, uh, you know, last week, um, we uh were in californ,
california, visiting our Dino'suncle and our kids.
(34:27):
We had a great time, but whilewe were there, we went to an
eyeglass convention.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Eyeglass convention.
Yes, that seems something funto do.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
It was real spectacle .
Speaker 3 (34:43):
What did the man say when he walked into a bar?
Oh boy, oh, what did?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
the man say when he walked into a bar oh boy.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Oh, what did the man say when he walked into a bar?
I don't know what did he sayOuch, oh, good job.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Good job.
One more Dr P, one more, yeah,yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Well, does an apple a day really keep the doctor away
?
Speaker 3 (35:10):
No.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah, only if you aim it well, that's right, All
right, guys.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
That'll wrap up our show here and we'll cut them off
at some dad jokes here.
We can do some dad jokes nextweek.
Oh, you got one more?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
No, I'll save One more.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
I already have it.
I think I just got.
I don't know where the pagewent.
Oh, I found it.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Okay, I'm ready.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
What do you call a ghost's true love?
Speaker 2 (35:46):
What do you call a ghost's True love?
What do you call a ghost Truelove?
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
They're a ghoul friend.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Okay.
We have it there.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
I like it.
All right, guys, Thank you forlistening today.
Check us out Biblicalleadership showcom.
Uh, you know,tellleadershipshowcom.
Tell us any prayer requests.
You got anything, any littletopics you want to talk about?
Well, that finishes up Matthew.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yes and if you're joining our show.
Just let other people knowabout it.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
We appreciate all the listeners that we have around
the country.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah, around the world.
We got some over at the pondtoo.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Can I say the outro.
Yeah, well, maybe do youremember the outro, so all right
.
Oh, you don't remember theoutro.
Well, how are you going to saythe outro when you do it?
Well, you can repeat it afterdr posey, because dr posey, are
you ready?
Yeah, make it a great day.
Make it a great day, all right,guys.
Thank you, bye.
all righty welcome, yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on,
come on, alrighty welcome, comeon, welcome, welcome, welcome.
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There we go, welcome, welcome,welcome.
I mean, we've been doing thatfor a long time here.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Gosh, two years now, almost it's crazy, isn't it it?
Is absolutely no.
Let's see, we started, yeah,almost over two years.
That's fantastic.
No it.
It is absolutely no.
Let's see, we started, yeah,almost over two years that's
fantastic.
Two years has it been two years?
I guess, we started in 20.
Yeah, it's been close to twoyears now.
I wonder what episode this iswe should look.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
I forgot it was.
It's uh, yeah, 70 somethingreally, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
so a year and a half Wow, that's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Well, wonderful, well , hello everyone.
My name is Tim Lansford.
You're listening to theBiblical Leadership Show and
with me, is Dr Dean Posey.
Yes, and then we have a specialguest, because it is summer and
we have a special co-host thatjoins us every once in a while.
And what's your name, madam?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Elisa.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Elisa.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Elisa, nice to see you in the studio.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Good to be here in the studio right, right here.
So she's running around metoday.
She wanted to come do somepodcasting.
Well, really, that wasn't eventhe thought.
She didn't know I was going todo podcasting.
She just wanted to run aroundme and then, as a bonus, that
she found out that we were doingpodcasting.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
It is with our kids growing and out of the house.
It's just you know, kids growup so fast.
You got to cherish thosemoments when the kids actually
want to be with you.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Right, you know that's really awesome.
Yeah, you know that's reallyawesome.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
So it makes me think about the way we raised our kids
.
You know, our son likedelevators.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Our daughter liked escalators.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
They were just raised differently.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Oh boy, I guess I need to work on getting my
buttons accessible here with allmy computers in front of it.
So I didn't know we werestarting so soon.
No, I think it's great it was.
I think we were going down apath there, but nope.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
So we're in Texas, we're in the Arlington Texas
area, right, and so I justwanted it's middle of the summer
and so I just want to know itgets hot.
You know it's really hot here,right, but has anyone checked on
Oklahoma?
I?
Speaker 1 (02:53):
just want to be sure everything is okay.
Too bad, that's aTexas-Oklahoma joke.
Did you have a question, madam?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yes, I did.
It actually is really hot inOklahoma, but yesterday they did
an air show there and it was socool.
It was on the news.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Really.
It's really cool oh wow, thatwas very cool.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
And then my mom told me a story about how she got to
go in the back of one of thoseplanes when they jumped off an
air shoot Right, that would befun.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
That was.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, that would be fun.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
All right, you right, that would be fun.
That was, yeah, that would befun, all right.
Well, you, I, I, you gottaunderstand here in the studio,
guys, dr posey has like thisthis I have a control center of
computers and and, uh, lots oflevers and all that stuff and
you have all the colored buttons.
I have all the colored buttons,but Dr Posey has this array of
(03:55):
dad joke boxes, calendarsprinted sheets and he is
sporting that side of the table.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I just have a cup of boba.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
You just got a cup of boba and she's eating some boba
.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Well, you know, I just wanted to.
Let's just start this off rightnow.
Today we're going to be talkingabout the last part of the book
of Matthew, starting withchapter 21, which is the
beginning of Holy Week, thetriumphal entry as we call it,
or Palm Sunday as it's referredto historically.
But let's just talk about thatin relationship to preparation
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for a podcast like this.
You know you can't just walk inand do it.
You've got to be proactive.
Jesus was so proactive abouteverything, Even when he was
praying he was proactive aboutthat.
I think that's one of the signsof a good leader is that they
are proactive 100%.
And they're ready, they'reproactive, they think about
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things.
Sometimes, when we're proactive, we might, you know, make a
wrong choice.
Jesus never made a wrong choice.
We make wrong choices sometimes, but it's like the question for
those of you who are, you know,out and are listening on, is
how proactive are you when itcomes to leading?
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Let's just say you're theleader of your softball team,
you know softball season, youknow, do you kind of wait until
you get on the field for thegame in order to do the lineup,
or are you ready?
Do you sit down and think aboutthe lineup before you even get
to the field?
I mean, think about the nightbefore or maybe a couple of days
(05:28):
before.
And I think just being proactiveis such a fundamental essence
characteristic of leaders.
And so we see that, with Jesushere, he had completed his
mission on earth.
It was the last week of hislife.
He was going to get on a donkeyand ride into the city of
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Jerusalem, which was veryprophetic.
People were waiting for theMessiah.
From the Old Testament we seethat the Messiah was going to
ride in on a donkey, and so hedid that very proactive about
who he was going to be, what hewas doing what he was going to
be doing the rest of the week.
And so just think about that.
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In your life as a leader, howproactive are you?
Or are you just kind of waitingwith your to-do list and going?
I don't want to.
I just don't want to do that,and I do think even that one
characteristic separates a goodleader from an average leader is
how proactive are you, not onjust one thing, but how
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proactive are you on many things?
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Right.
So yeah, All right.
Did you have a story aboutbeing proactive?
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I actually had a question what does proactive
mean?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Oh, that's a great question.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
You're asking that to your dad or you're asking it to
me?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Let's go Dr Posey.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, okay.
So let's just say you get readyfor school.
Let's just say what time doesschool start when you go to
school?
What time do you have to leaveto go to school in the morning?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I would say around 7.40.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
7.40, okay.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
But we're going to have to go way earlier because
you actually have to be in classnow by 8.
You have to be in class by 8.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
You have to be in class by 8.
And so you leave your house at7.40, maybe 7.30?
.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Okay.
So let me just tell you, when Iwas a little older than you
okay, I grew up in Albuquerque,new Mexico the junior high that
I went to was literally rightbehind our back fence.
So I just jumped over the backfence, walked across the field.
I could be at the school infive minutes.
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Okay, just walking the school.
The bell rang at about 8, maybe8.15.
I don't exactly remember.
My mom would try to get me up,starting about 7.
I finally got up about quarterto 8 and jump in the clothes,
(08:01):
eat a quick breakfast and justjump out of the you know over
the back fence and get to class.
That is not being proactive.
Being proactive is saying youknow what?
I have a responsibility to beat a certain place at a certain
time and I would like to beearly things actively so that
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when I actually get to school Iam ready.
Oh, I forgot my backpack.
It's because I didn't pack itthe night before.
Oh, I didn't pack my lunch,it's because I didn't get up
early enough to do that.
So being proactive means youtake the initiative to do things
that you know you need to havehappen, but you do them without
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being told Okay, so you justtake the activity yourself.
You take the initiative to dothe things that you know need to
happen, but you do that becauseyou want to do it.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, but I am not proactive.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
You're not proactive.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
No, I just sit and watch TV.
My parents do all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Oh, they do all that stuff yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Well, that is not true.
Actually.
I mean, you were proactive.
You got yourself dressed thismorning.
Right Said do you want me toput out clothes for you?
We set out clothes for Luke forhis basketball practice today.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
That's not duh.
He doesn't have to dresshimself.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
He does and he could have.
But we said we could get itbecause we had bought some new
stuff for him.
But you proactively got up, yougot dressed, you were ready to
go for the time and all thatstuff.
Nobody had to tell you that.
So you do do things proactive.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I mean, it took me an hour to get out of bed, but
sure.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Well, hour to get out of bed, but sure, yeah, well,
let's just say this right hereI've had a list like this for
maybe 15, 20 years, and guesswhat it's called?
It's called the Dean's List,okay.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Which is so awesome.
Which is so awesome.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Okay, and so these are the things that I need to do
this week and probably by theend of the week this will be
filled.
The question is I know I needto do these things, like I need
to call this person, I need tocall this person about this.
Am I just going to sit thereand not do it, or am I going to
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be proactive, initiate?
Oh, I need to call this personbecause we said we were going to
have lunch, so I'm going totake the initiative to call them
and set up a time to do thattogether.
So that's being proactive.
Jesus was very proactive withhis teaching, with his
discipling, with his ministry,and so we see that, specifically
at the last week of his life,when he was saying hey, you know
, my time on earth is done.
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I'm going to be proactive, I'mgoing to get on the donkey ride
in to Jerusalem, knowing what'scoming, but I'm still going to
do it anyway.
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
So what do you have?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
So I was proactive, because me and my best friend,
ava I'm not going to say herlast name for privacy reasons,
but see, me and her we have.
I think mom's going to let usdo it, but me and her have a
sleepover planned for tomorrow.
We already have the time set up, everything's set up Everything
(11:10):
, and my mom's like I don't know, but I really think she's going
to let it because we've alreadyplanned out all the times I can
let her know hey, you need togo home at 9 am instead of this
11.
We planned, but that's okay,and so I really think mom's
going to let us do it tomorrow.
I'm so excited and I wasproactive when I planned that,
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because we were all on the phonefor an hour.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Well, that's excellent.
That would be proactive.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
That's being proactive, and I think one of
the best characteristics of anyperson of any age is being
proactive.
Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah, instead of being reactive, you age is being
proactive.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, yeah, 100% yeah .
Instead of being reactive, youknow being proactive.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
And so you know it's a difference between a person
that still has multiplecompanies and somebody that's
retired.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah, they both.
One of them has more money.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Well, yes, that's what my Dean's list looks like.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yeah, it's what my Dean's List looks like yeah,
it's about like that.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah, dean's List is one page.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
That's it?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
What is it?
Mine's 76 things right.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
It's my Dean's List.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I think last time I checked I had 76 things on my
to-do list, and I know you'renot supposed to make to-do lists
.
It depends on what schoolyou're from.
I'm old school from.
I'm old school.
I write it down just because Idon't want to.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
I was writing it down in private school.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Well, you know, someone told me a long time ago
I wish I had learned thisearlier in life.
But a pen and paper are betterthan any memory, and when I
first started out in ministry Ithought I could remember
everything you know.
And then I'd like oops, Iforgot to do that, and so I
started writing things down,making a list, you know, doing
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the Stephen Covey thing with theABCs.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
ABCs one, two, three.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
It made such a difference 100%, because then I
could and I normally did that onSunday night so I would be
ready for the next week.
And once I started doing that Ithought, wow, it's so simple,
but it's so good to be organizedand you can prioritize.
And then you can think, oh,these are the A things I got to
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get done tomorrow, or these arethe B things that I can put off
till maybe Wednesday or Thursday, and these C things if they
happen, great.
If they don't happen, great.
But so many people they makemaybe a list of ABCs and then
they do the C list, you know,and they always do the fillers
and they never get to thepriority stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
And that's being proactive.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, yeah, and it's part of it.
All right, so let's get back toour stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Jesus rides into Jerusalem on a donkey.
That fulfills Zechariah 9-9.
Yes, but then there's a littlething we talked about a little
bit because Elisa brought it up,you know, as far as he cleanses
the temple and overturns tables, and so what's sort of the
thought process there, anddidn't you bring that up to us?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Yes, I did.
I thought about it because,since I go to a private school,
that's Christian we actually didan assignment on it and we had
to write.
We had to do this thing wherewe had to make a picture, do
something on it, and it wasreally fun.
But I drew a picture and I knewhe overgrown tables because
there were verses that went withit, and so I looked at all the
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verses and it told everythingabout that it told every day of
what I should draw.
So I drew it, and I actuallyknow that.
The one who betrayed jesus Iforgot his name.
Do y'all know judas?
Yes, judas, he actually tradedgold coins for jesus's info.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yes, he did.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
And those would be worth a lot now, but we think he
used them up because bro wasgreedy for that.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
So he overturned the tables.
And why did he do that?
Did you understand why he?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
was so filled with rage because he was really mad
about them, turning it into afarmer's market sort of thing he
decided I am so mad, he waspure, but he still was human.
So he built up rage over timeand his rage turned into an
overwhelming sensation ofmadness.
(15:19):
So he flipped tables filledwith these items and he was so
mad that he was going to killhim.
And he was going to kill himand he was going that they were
selling so they would scramble,run, get away, go go, go.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And where did they do all this?
Where was the marketplace in?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
It was in this temple , kind of I think it used to be
like a church or a worship placeand they've turned it into this
market so he was slipping overtables and everything, but it
was out of like this temple ofpraise, I think.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, so there was a temple there in Jerusalem and
around the temple there was acourtyard, okay, and so in the
courtyard area was where peopleset up to exchange money to sell
animals for sacrifice, andthere was nothing wrong with the
exchange, or there's nothingwrong with doing the selling of
(16:08):
the animals.
But the problem was it shouldhave been outside the temple
area and they had made thetemple area which was supposed
to be a holy place of prayer andgathering of the people.
They had turned that into, likeyou said, a marketplace.
And Jesus said no, this is myFather's house, this should be a
house of prayer.
Jesus said, no, this is myFather's house, this should be a
house of prayer.
(16:29):
And you've turned it into amarketplace.
So he said I can't take thisanymore.
I'm going to stand up, I'mgoing to draw the line and we're
not going to do this anymore.
And I think what a greatleadership principle in that is
that sometimes, as leaders, wehave to look at our organization
(16:50):
and realize where have westepped over the line?
You know we're going to drawthe line and say you know what,
we're not going to do thisanymore.
Whatever that is, you know agood leader will evaluate that.
Now, sometimes you have to getsome input from your you know
your managers or your other,your colleagues or whatever, and
say you know what?
I don't think we need to eitherhave this product anymore.
(17:11):
We don't need to be about that.
Maybe we need to downsize thisarea right here so we can focus
on this.
And that's what Jesus wassaying.
Hey, we're here to focus on God.
You know, if you want to sell,go sell over there.
But in this area, right here,this is dedicated to God.
And so he drew the line and Ithink what a great leadership
(17:33):
principle that we say.
You know, sometimes we have tojust set boundaries to say we're
going to be focused on this andwe're not going to be focused
on stuff outside the boundaries.
And sometimes that's reallyhard, especially if you've been
doing that for a long, long timeand an organization's kind of
been, you know, just kind ofgotten by.
(17:55):
And you know, sometimes youhave to let people go.
Sometimes, you have to let aproduct line go.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
It's a hard time to redirect and figure out where
the hiccups are and all thatstuff.
And it's one of those things topiece it together and to look,
and sometimes you have to audit,do a yearly audit or every five
years or whatever it might be.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yes, exactly, and look at it.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Sometimes actually sometimes it can be a product or
even a person.
If there's a negative person inthe zone and it's bringing
everybody down, they're being aprocrastinator, putting off
their work at the last minute,laying it on somebody else.
Sometimes you'll have to say no, you're not, you're fired.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, and, and you know, people can be very busy
but that doesn't mean they'reproductive.
And so you've got to look atproductivity, not just busyness,
and say you know what?
We're going to give you a90-day growth plan.
I expect this to happen, thesethings to be happening in the
(19:03):
next 90 days, or if they don'thappen, then I'm going to let
you go.
I mean, you've got to draw aline at some point.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
You have to have accountability.
Yeah, that's a good word.
You have to have that.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, and I think that's what Jesus was saying hey
, we're going to start holdingpeople accountable to what
they're doing in the sight ofGod.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
And so that happened.
There's other things thathappened, a lot of parables
during that week.
You know Monday, tuesday,wednesday there is some stories.
He has some confrontation withsome of the religious leaders,
and then we get to the Thursdaywhere it is the Last Supper and
(19:41):
Jesus gathers his disciplestogether.
We read what you just said,elisa, that Judas betrayed Jesus
for 30 pieces of silver andbecause Judas had an idea that
he wanted Jesus to be a leaderof the people to revolt against
(20:02):
Rome and Jesus was not that kindof leader—Jesus had this Last
Supper with his disciples andHoly Communion, or the Eucharist
or the Mass, is based on thatevening's meal with the
disciples, and so part of mydoctorate dissertation was based
(20:26):
on that particular evening andthe study of Holy Communion
throughout the centuries, likewhat happened at the Last Supper
and how does that ritual changeover time to different
denominations.
And so that was a fascinatingstudy but very powerful event
(20:47):
there that Jesus was telling hisdisciples hey, this is my last
night with you.
You know you're going to fallaway, but we're sending the
comforter to you.
And so if you actually begin toread from John 13, I know we're
in Matthew, but if you readthat through chapter 17, it's
(21:08):
called the Great Priestly Prayertalks about all of that.
In the book of Matthew we readabout the Last Supper.
So they have this supper.
They go out to the Garden ofGethsemane and Jesus prays and
I'm thinking he says, hey, youwait here, I'm going to go pray.
And so it's like what a greatexample for leaders.
(21:38):
Sometimes you just have to havesome alone time.
You just have to have time tothink, process, pray, just think
what am I?
Is this really what I need tobe doing?
You need to evaluate, I'm surein the housing business, what
you're in for decades.
You're thinking you know what.
We need to sit down and reallyprocess this architectural plan.
(21:59):
We need to think about ourbudget.
We need to do it.
You can't just run ahead andmove forward.
We got to sit down and reallyprocess it.
So, yeah, so that was a veryimportant evening in the life of
the Christian faith, with theLast Supper and the prayer in
the garden and the betrayal andJesus being arrested and all
(22:21):
that yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
That's awesome.
So, yeah, it's.
You know, from a leadershipstandpoint, there's just ties
back to you and the leader andhow you set everything up.
You know, that's one thing.
Jesus sort of had some thoughts, and you know where I'm trying
(22:45):
to go, is you know?
I just had this big leadershipclass I taught last week.
Where I'm trying to go, is youknow?
I just had this big leadershipclass I taught last week and I
talked to him.
I taught him the differencebetween training somebody,
coaching somebody and empoweringsomebody.
You know, empowering is whenyou just let them do it.
I mean, that's what Jesus,basically empowering him, said
you don't need me to do this.
You know, and you know, whenyou're starting out and you have
(23:08):
somebody that has the potential, then yeah, you simply can put
them in training or a coachingprogram to get them up to the
point where that's what everyleader strives for.
If you're good as a leader andyou can handle that, but you
want to try to empower yourpeople and that's one of the
biggest things.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
So, going back, tying that into what we said earlier
in the podcast being proactiveand empowering others Wow, what
a great combination ofleadership principles that
really elevates a leader to notjust a good leader, but a better
leader, but a better leader.
(23:53):
And in order to empower others,which Jesus did, you have to
realize that in order to makethe company better, or whatever
you're leading better, youreally need to have the people
around you be the best they canbe.
You can't always rely upon you.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I don't want to.
You can't make every decision.
I want my people to make all thedecisions and they always
double check.
I don't tell them to doublecheck.
They sometimes want to.
And one of the things I taughtin the same class is if somebody
calls me and says Richard callsme and says, hey, we got a
problem out here at this, youknow, smith job, I'm like all
(24:34):
right.
Well, what's the problem?
And I think I might've evenmentioned on here before I don't
tell them the answer to theproblem.
I go how would you solve thisif it was me?
And they're like I don't know.
I'm like well, think about itand call me back.
Well, they'll think about it,call me back, and then they'll
tell me their answer and I'll belike that's exactly how I would
solve it.
And it's as simple as that.
And what you're doing istraining them to go.
I can make the decisions.
I'm thinking like Tim.
(24:55):
I'm thinking now I know how todo this and if you can get to
that point, that is just a majordeal that you want to do
empower them.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, and not only are you empowering them, you're
affirming them.
You are saying hey, I believein you, I believe in your wisdom
, I believe that you can makewise decisions for the benefit
of the customer and the company,and I trust you.
(25:24):
I mean, there's so many goodthings when you are empowering
others to do the work, andthat's just a great leadership
principle.
Some leaders, unfortunately,are so insecure that it's
difficult for them to empowerothers, because they think they
might.
Someone might take their job oryou know, whatever it's like.
No, just the opposite is true.
You empower others, yourcompany's going to thrive even
(25:45):
more, and so I just encouragethat.
So I know we're, you know,getting to the end.
So let's just finish the end ofMatthew.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
We're going to make it through Matthew.
I think we're going to make itthrough Matthew.
Yes, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
So, for all the terms of Jesus's resurrection, do you
guys believe that peopleactually have past lives and
they've been reborn?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
actually have past lives and they've been reborn.
Well, that would be calledreincarnation, okay, and so
Christianity.
We don't believe that someonedies and then comes back as
another being okay.
That's reincarnation, that'snot resurrection, okay.
So I'll get to resurrection injust a minute, because we were
talking about the crucifixion.
So Jesus was arrested, he wasbeaten and mocked and all that
(26:31):
kind of stuff, which was tragic.
He was put on a cross.
It was the most cruel form ofpunishment in the Roman world
was crucifixion, and Jesus grewup seeing that.
And there were two other peoplecrucified with him at the same
time, one on his right, one onhis left.
(26:51):
And so then we see that he hungon the cross for several hours
before he died.
Joseph of Arimathea askedPilate for the body, took the
body off the cross, wrapped itin linen where we get the Shroud
of Turin from and then he waslaid in a tomb and Jesus said,
(27:16):
hey, I'm going to raise in threedays.
Now they heard it, but theydidn't really get it.
And what we see here is that thewomen that were followers of
Jesus went to the tomb first,and so normally we think of when
(27:36):
we read the Bible.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
A lot of the ladies out there are going well, of
course we did.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, of course, about the person that you might
think is least in yourorganization.
They probably have morepotential than you realize.
Okay, and so these women tookit on themselves.
They were proactive.
They were buying spices.
They went to the tomb early.
(28:09):
The stone had been rolled away.
They went in, didn't see thebody and they saw some angels.
The angels told them hey, he'snot here.
And then they were really thefirst evangelists.
And then they were really thefirst evangelists.
And so, thinking about theleaders, your company, your
organization, whatever, you'vegot to realize that every person
(28:32):
has potential to make an impact, and sometimes we only think of
the people that maybe we'reclosest to.
We might not realize that wecan make an impact, literally.
This morning, before I came tothe studio, I was at the gym
working out.
They had a great swim.
I'm getting ready to get in thepool.
(28:54):
There's this guy walks into thegym.
I've known this guy forprobably 20 years because he was
a member of the church where Iused to pastor, and so we talked
a little bit and he was sayingjust sharing I won't share his
name, but he was just sharingthat there was a friend of his
(29:15):
like a neighbor friend who wasnot doing well.
He got to know this person andthat person started coming to
church and was baptized lastSunday.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Nice, yes, that's awesome, yeah, it was so awesome
to hear him church and wasbaptized last Sunday, nice.
Yes, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, it was so awesome to hear him and he was
so excited and, believe it ornot, this guy is like 80 years
old, but he was so excited andit's like, wow, what potential.
And sometimes we look at peopleand because of their age or
their physical shape or whatever, we discount them.
And how wrong are we to do that?
(29:51):
Because every person haspotential for something.
And so we see that in the women, and they took the initiative
to go to the tomb.
They didn't see the body.
They ran back, told thedisciples.
The disciples didn't believethem.
But even though the disciplesdidn't believe, it didn't change
the woman's conviction of whatthey had seen.
And so let's get toresurrection.
(30:14):
Resurrection means that when wephysically die, that our soul,
spirit, is up in heaven withJesus.
Okay, our body is not Ourbody's in the ground, but we are
alive for all eternity becauseof our belief in Christ.
(30:34):
And so reincarnation would meanthat we would die and we'd come
back as another person or ananimal.
And some religions believe that.
Christianity doesn't.
They believe in resurrection sothat we live forever with God
in heaven.
And so we see that in the bookof Matthew, and at the very end
(30:56):
of the book of Matthew we readwhat's called the Great
Commission.
And so Jesus said hey, go intoall the nations, baptizing them
in the name of the Father, sonand Holy Spirit and teaching
them to obey everything I havecommanded you.
I will be with you to the endof the age.
And those few words havetranscended through time as
(31:20):
what's called the GreatCommission and has been a
stimulus for so many people toevangelize, to go around the
world for literally 2,000 years,to share faith, to promote
Christianity.
And so let's just think aboutleadership principles.
What is your mission statement?
Doing that Is your missionstatement motivating people.
(31:41):
Is your lifestyle motivatingpeople?
Are your habits, whatever theyare?
Are they motivating people topromote the company, to build a
company, or are they just kindof being lackadaisical?
Jesus gave a powerful messagethere at the end.
(32:01):
That's still motivating people2,000 years later.
And so I'm thinking wow, as aleader, what am I doing to
motivate my people?
Is it me?
Is it my encouragement?
Is it my tone of voice?
What am I doing to do that?
And so everybody's got to beopen to a self-evaluation to
(32:26):
figure out what am I doing tomotivate my team?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I think one of the my favorite thing is true leaders
don't just lead followers, theydevelop other leaders, and
that's one of the biggest thingsthat we believe.
I think that Jesus did and he'sdeveloping other leaders.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, and so it's like am I just training somebody
or am I training them to trainthe next generation?
And that is really a greatquestion.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Did you have any last comments real fast before Dr
Posey?
Speaker 2 (32:55):
gets into some dad jokes.
Yeah, I've got some really gooddad jokes.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
I'm going to do some after you too.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
You are.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
So basically, I actually think that if you love
an animal, sometimes you canlike look through the animal's
eyes.
Sometimes I think that you canactually do that.
If you're, like, deceased andyou want to watch a family
member, maybe you could lookthrough somebody's like a bird
or somebody's eyes, becausesometimes a cardinal will fly by
(33:22):
and eat some food from ourfeeder and me and my brother and
my dad will say oh look,there's Grandma Popcorn.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Right, she loved cardinals, didn't she Big
cardinals?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Well, yeah, something like that can remind us of a
person that we love.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
So okay, here's a dad joke.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah, we need to transition dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Okay, so what has more letters than the alphabet?
I don't know.
The post office.
I'm going to read one now.
You're going to read one now.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
What did the nose say to the finger?
Speaker 2 (33:59):
What did the nose say ?
Speaker 3 (34:02):
to the finger.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
I don't know, I don't nose if I know know nope, it's
quit picking on me oh okay, ohmy goodness, uh, okay.
So, uh, you know, last week, um, we uh were in californ,
california, visiting our Dino'suncle and our kids.
(34:27):
We had a great time, but whilewe were there, we went to an
eyeglass convention.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Eyeglass convention.
Yes, that seems something funto do.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
It was real spectacle .
Speaker 3 (34:43):
What did the man say when he walked into a bar?
Oh boy, oh, what did?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
the man say when he walked into a bar oh boy.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Oh, what did the man say when he walked into a bar?
I don't know what did he sayOuch, oh, good job.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Good job.
One more Dr P, one more, yeah,yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Well, does an apple a day really keep the doctor away
?
Speaker 3 (35:10):
No.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah, only if you aim it well, that's right, All
right, guys.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
That'll wrap up our show here and we'll cut them off
at some dad jokes here.
We can do some dad jokes nextweek.
Oh, you got one more?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
No, I'll save One more.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
I already have it.
I think I just got.
I don't know where the pagewent.
Oh, I found it.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Okay, I'm ready.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
What do you call a ghost's true love?
Speaker 2 (35:46):
What do you call a ghost's True love?
What do you call a ghost Truelove?
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
They're a ghoul friend.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Okay.
We have it there.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
I like it.
All right, guys, Thank you forlistening today.
Check us out Biblicalleadership showcom.
Uh, you know,tellleadershipshowcom.
Tell us any prayer requests.
You got anything, any littletopics you want to talk about?
Well, that finishes up Matthew.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yes and if you're joining our show.
Just let other people knowabout it.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
We appreciate all the listeners that we have around
the country.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah, around the world.
We got some over at the pondtoo.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Can I say the outro.
Yeah, well, maybe do youremember the outro, so all right
.
Oh, you don't remember theoutro.
Well, how are you going to saythe outro when you do it?
Well, you can repeat it afterdr posey, because dr posey, are
you ready?
Yeah, make it a great day.
Make it a great day, all right,guys.
Thank you, bye.
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